| 00:00.41 | awal1 | man xserver "Installations that run more than one window system may need to use the xinit(1) utility instead of a display manager. However, xinit is to be considered a tool for building startup scripts and is not intended for use by end users. Site administrators are strongly urged to use a display manager, or build other interfaces for novice users." I do understand the meaning but can someone give more info? |
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| 00:02.15 | awal1 | what is not really clear for me is " xinit is to be considered a tool for building startup scripts and is not intended " Site administrators are strongly urged to use a display manager" . Almost why that?for use by end users" and |
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| 00:04.11 | awal1 | what is not really clear for me is " xinit is to be considered a tool for building startup scripts and is not intended for use by end users. " and "Site administrators are strongly urged to use a display manager" . Almost why that? ^ |
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| 00:04.39 | awal1 | sorry, keyboard mistyping |
| 00:04.42 | teraflops | awal1: hmm, if youre the sysadmin and you have more then one user you better use a display manager instead of each user having to exec /usr/bin/xinit ~/.local/share/.xinitrc -- :%i -nolisten tcp ... |
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| 00:05.09 | teraflops | or whatever⦠|
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| 00:06.06 | awal1 | teraflops: ok, I think I start understanding... |
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| 00:08.15 | dionyziz | teraflops: I see your update-motd files, but I don't see much point adopting them. As I said, my /etc/motd looks the way I want to, so I deduce that the scripts I have must have run fine. |
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| 00:08.30 | dionyziz | I think the puzzling question to debug is why pam doesn't display the generated motd file then. |
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| 00:08.58 | dionyziz | themill: I re-read the mailing list post by paravoid. It is quite informative like you suggested. I do not have a hint on how to fix the issue at hand though :( |
| 00:09.49 | dionyziz | So, I just rebooted and this fixed the problem - the correct motd is displayed now. |
| 00:10.12 | dionyziz | That seems super weird, but it is as I want it now. Not sure how something like this could have needed a reboot, how bizzare. |
| 00:10.20 | dionyziz | Thanks for all the help themill, teraflops :) |
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| 00:13.13 | dionyziz | Oh, damn. I figured out what was going on. |
| 00:13.35 | dionyziz | I was changing all these motd settings in a first ssh tab, and I was trying out to see if motd would appear in a second terminal tab on my ssh client. |
| 00:13.54 | dionyziz | However, I had ServerAliveInterval 60 in my client ssh config, meaning the second tab would reuse the ssh connection and skip the login part, skipping motd with that. |
| 00:14.07 | dionyziz | So any configuration that I tried wasn't really applied. After the reboot, however, it reconnected and I saw it correctly. |
| 00:14.10 | dionyziz | Sorry for all the trouble. |
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| 00:16.33 | themill | hah |
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| 00:16.56 | themill | That's up there with "ssh'd to the wrong box" and we've all done that :) |
| 00:18.10 | dionyziz | :) |
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| 00:26.07 | gry | I edit PS1 to make different color shell for different hosts. Or at least make sure PS1 has a user@HOST in it and the HOST is useful |
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| 00:31.30 | ryouma | Stiffler: my point was i could not figure out what you meant. you implied some change soon that involves directx. can i assume things will worsen because there is some new standard that must be implemented? |
| 00:31.47 | ryouma | Stiffler: also, would that be firmware or the x driver? |
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| 00:39.56 | Stiffler | no not new standards |
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| 00:40.12 | Stiffler | but open source developemnt |
| 00:40.28 | kler | hey guys, got a small problem with either w3m, neofetch or Terminal regarding the image display |
| 00:40.30 | Stiffler | nvidia amd are both working on it |
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| 00:40.51 | Stiffler | directx open source |
| 00:41.16 | kler | can anyone direct me to something close to a solution ? |
| 00:41.25 | teraflops | dionyziz: hehe |
| 00:41.41 | kler | it's basically (the image) disappearing on resize/click/whatever :( |
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| 00:42.51 | ryouma | Stiffler: so things will get better! |
| 00:43.00 | Stiffler | exactly |
| 00:43.15 | ryouma | ok now i got the answer |
| 00:43.16 | Stiffler | as their will be only 1 driver for linux win |
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| 00:43.18 | Stiffler | os |
| 00:43.31 | ryouma | what about intel? |
| 00:43.52 | ryouma | (for a debian box) |
| 00:43.57 | Stiffler | dot know aobut them |
| 00:44.06 | Stiffler | but gpu they doesnt count either |
| 00:44.37 | ryouma | they don't count? |
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| 00:45.20 | Hello71 | source? |
| 00:45.23 | Stiffler | right now as far as i know its a 3 way dispute |
| 00:45.47 | Stiffler | i dont know but i am purely looking at gpu segment not inbuild ones |
| 00:46.27 | Stiffler | i mean dedicated gpu segments |
| 00:47.07 | Stiffler | as far as news goes MS was aobut to launch dx12 but everything is halt |
| 00:47.12 | Hello71 | lol |
| 00:47.17 | Stiffler | as nvida n amd are proposing alternative |
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| 00:47.40 | Hello71 | your news is at least 2 years out of date |
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| 00:47.44 | missmbob | ! |
| 00:47.48 | missmbob | !ot |
| 00:47.48 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 00:48.21 | Stiffler | man i dont play game much except wow which can run with g cards |
| 00:48.30 | Stiffler | so i might be outdated :) |
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| 00:51.36 | kler | sorry to bother (again), anyone ? |
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| 00:52.10 | missmbob | !ask |
| 00:52.10 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 00:52.25 | kler | i'm pretty sure it's not a problem with .bashrc, the neofetch config is fine and i have the latest version of w3m-img |
| 00:52.31 | kler | oh |
| 00:52.38 | kler | thanks |
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| 00:58.51 | kler | ask! Hey :) I have a small problem with neofetch; it wont keep displaying the image (via, if i understant it well, w3m-img) after resize,right-click (input is fine as long as there isn't any scroll). I'm running Kali 2.0. No real error output. I expected it to keep displaying it. Also i'm using the Gnome-Terminal (checked .bashrc and all seems fine). I know i'm not supposed to run on kali but i just find |
| 00:58.54 | kler | having all those tools handy in order to learn |
| 00:59.17 | kler | mfw |
| 00:59.21 | kler | :)) |
| 01:00.03 | Hello71 | !deriv |
| 01:00.07 | Hello71 | grumbles |
| 01:00.08 | missmbob | !kali |
| 01:00.08 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
| 01:00.21 | kler | oh |
| 01:00.25 | kler | well |
| 01:00.39 | kler | thanks anyway i guess :( |
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| 01:02.52 | gry | kler: meanwhile you are also welcome to stick about and learn new things (as long as you don't confuse debian chatter and people around with kali-specific advice, you should be fine) |
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| 01:03.21 | hfp | Hi, this is probably the most stupid question you'll get today: I'm installing this on debian 8 https://github.com/abusenius/insaned and it comes with a systemd service file (in systemd/insaned.service). How do I "install" this file so Debian gets a new insaned service? |
| 01:03.23 | kler | nah, kali-specific stuff is way above my head |
| 01:03.45 | Hello71 | checkinstall make install |
| 01:03.52 | kler | i'm running it just in order to have something all set when i get there |
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| 01:04.51 | kler | i'm borderline computer illiterate based on your standards but willing to learn |
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| 01:05.11 | kler | however since it wansn't something edgy |
| 01:05.21 | kler | and since kali is based on debian |
| 01:05.22 | themill | kler: we know nothing about kali but the people in #kali-linux do. |
| 01:05.28 | kler | i thought about asking about it here |
| 01:06.24 | kler | kali-linux: No such channel // :( |
| 01:06.26 | themill | hfp: cp foo.service /etc/systemd/system/; systemctl daemon-reload |
| 01:06.39 | themill | kler: there is. |
| 01:06.59 | kler | but really, since it's not security related but a simple screenfetch |
| 01:07.09 | kler | well, neofetch |
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| 01:07.32 | kler | i still think that i have a better chance here than there |
| 01:07.38 | themill | kler: you've already got as much as we know. Please ask #kali-linux. This is not difficult to comprehend. |
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| 01:10.43 | kler | difficult to comprehend is what makes you this rigid |
| 01:11.09 | themill | [12:05] <themill> kler: we know nothing about kali but the people in #kali-linux do. |
| 01:11.35 | kler | but it's not even close to being a kali-related issue |
| 01:12.03 | themill | we don't know what packages you have, what kernel you have, what configuration you have, ... |
| 01:12.11 | kler | i see |
| 01:12.14 | kler | sorry then |
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| 01:13.07 | kler | thanks anyway |
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| 01:13.53 | kler | last question |
| 01:14.07 | kler | nvm |
| 01:14.10 | kler | good night |
| 01:14.13 | kler | :) |
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| 01:31.14 | hfp | themill: thanks |
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| 01:32.36 | themill | np |
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| 01:40.03 | MaBunny | anyone here? |
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| 01:41.16 | MaBunny | i hav got my laptop delivered and i want to install some hardware drivers in it |
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| 01:42.50 | MaBunny | so if anyone could tell me how to launch lm-sensors and dmide-code,then it could be brilliant |
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| 01:49.54 | MaBunny | anyone?? |
| 01:51.35 | psylence | MaBunny, what's up? |
| 01:51.41 | psylence | What kind of drivers do you want to install? |
| 01:52.40 | MaBunny | psylence: can you tell me how to launch dmide-code and lm-sensors ...i got my laptoop delivered and i think im missing some hardware drivers |
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| 01:55.14 | MaBunny | i cant even start my gnome desktop,its not opening up |
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| 01:55.24 | MaBunny | taalking from a tty man |
| 01:55.29 | psylence | MaBunny, what do you mean how to launch? you just type it into your terminal emulator. Also, if you're using a DE such as GNOME or XFCE, the two applications have been added to your menu entry |
| 01:55.37 | psylence | MaBunny, you tried typing in 'startx'? |
| 01:55.43 | MaBunny | yeah |
| 01:55.52 | MaBunny | no i mean |
| 01:56.00 | psylence | Have you installed GNOME? You selected the Debian Desktop Environment during installation, right? |
| 01:56.53 | MaBunny | yes i typed startx and yes i hav installed gnome |
| 01:57.05 | psylence | What happens when you type in startx? |
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| 01:57.30 | MaBunny | i just reused the pendrive i used to do things in desktop with this laptop |
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| 01:58.04 | psylence | I have no idea what you're saying. It's late here and I'm going to go to sleep. I'm sure someone will be along shortly to help you. |
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| 01:58.08 | MaBunny | it says failed to launch X server,it also provides a log in /var directory |
| 01:58.22 | psylence | Ah. Well, you need to provide the output of that log. |
| 01:58.28 | MaBunny | ok |
| 01:58.34 | psylence | Otherwise no one will know what's wrong. |
| 01:59.05 | MaBunny | i heard about a termbin like app to paste contents from a terminal to a hosting site like pastebin |
| 01:59.17 | MaBunny | can you name the app pls? |
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| 02:18.11 | MaBunny | anyone here?? |
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| 02:19.47 | bazhang | yes of course MaBunny |
| 02:20.00 | bazhang | ask the question you have MaBunny |
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| 02:20.49 | MaBunny | when i apt-cache search lm-sensors,it shows tht its there,and when i apt-get install it,it tells tht its already installed |
| 02:21.04 | MaBunny | how do i call lm-sensors in the terminal |
| 02:21.18 | MaBunny | its about a new laptop i got |
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| 02:22.30 | missmbob | !pastebinit |
| 02:22.31 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" or configure pastebinit to use something other than pastebin.com. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
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| 02:24.02 | MaBunny | ok im installing pastebinit...any other thing i should do? |
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| 02:24.34 | missmbob | i haven't paid any attention and i'm not paying any now. just happened to see you wanted pastebinit. sorry, busy. |
| 02:24.48 | MaBunny | hmm |
| 02:25.35 | MaBunny | i am just having some driver problems....and cant start X server(or the gnome desktop)...been waiing for an hour now |
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| 02:26.46 | missmbob | add jessie-backports to sources.list. upgrade linux-image-amd64 and the xorg driver/firmware for your gpu from jessie-backports. reboot. |
| 02:27.11 | missmbob | !tell MaBunny backports |
| 02:27.24 | missmbob | !tell MaBunny about backports |
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| 02:29.15 | MaBunny | ok |
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| 02:32.40 | MaBunny | guys if i want to update this pendrive,which has a jessie installed in it,to the sid version or other,what should i do? |
| 02:33.10 | bazhang | MaBunny, thats not an update at all |
| 02:33.12 | MaBunny | its a new laptop,aand i could like to hav a sid or something new in it |
| 02:33.25 | MaBunny | dist-updgrade something? |
| 02:33.35 | MaBunny | dist-upgrade? |
| 02:33.42 | bazhang | MaBunny, thats trading a stable system for a testing one |
| 02:33.47 | MaBunny | yeah |
| 02:34.02 | bazhang | no not dist upgrade |
| 02:34.10 | MaBunny | well nvr mind |
| 02:34.11 | bazhang | MaBunny, its NOT an upgrade |
| 02:34.19 | MaBunny | ok |
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| 02:35.27 | MaBunny | so adding a sid backport could solve my gpu problems?? |
| 02:35.40 | missmbob | MaBunny: sigh. i said nothing about touching sid. |
| 02:35.53 | missmbob | MaBunny: read. backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 02:35.56 | MaBunny | then jessie backport? |
| 02:36.00 | MaBunny | ok |
| 02:36.07 | missmbob | that IS what i said, yes. so it's what i meant. go figure. |
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| 02:37.34 | MaBunny | so which package should i install for my system...im a bid of a situation,typing from my ttys |
| 02:38.02 | MaBunny | i cant search it up in the net,with no browser |
| 02:38.20 | bazhang | there are cli browsers MaBunny |
| 02:38.32 | bazhang | so you certainly can MaBunny |
| 02:39.24 | MaBunny | its a pita you kno tht |
| 02:39.40 | bazhang | very easy in fact |
| 02:40.29 | MaBunny | also if i knew how to launch lm-sensors then maybe it coud help too |
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| 02:42.21 | bazhang | MaBunny, did you install the package necessary for that to work |
| 02:42.27 | MaBunny | yeah |
| 02:42.33 | bazhang | which one |
| 02:42.38 | MaBunny | i hav it installed,i told you earlier |
| 02:42.41 | MaBunny | lm-sensors |
| 02:42.51 | bazhang | thats not it |
| 02:43.10 | MaBunny | apt-get install tells tht its already installed |
| 02:43.30 | bazhang | MaBunny, did you read the numberous links and instructions given you on this yet |
| 02:44.01 | MaBunny | i dont hav a browser bro...also i hav never tried a cli browser before |
| 02:44.18 | bazhang | lm-sensors will not be a fix for that |
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| 02:59.22 | MaBunny | bazhang: missmbob i checked the jessie backports page tht you guys linked to me,but it says nothing about which package to install to solve my gpu problems |
| 03:02.05 | MaBunny | paste.debian.net/895386 --> my Xorg log for tht failed startx |
| 03:02.29 | awal1 | MaBunny: if installed yet, lm-sensors need root |
| 03:02.46 | MaBunny | ok |
| 03:03.12 | MaBunny | yeah i typed from the root terminal too |
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| 03:03.20 | MaBunny | it says its not found |
| 03:03.26 | awal1 | just open a term as root then run lm-sensors |
| 03:03.29 | awal1 | ok wait |
| 03:03.46 | awal1 | i dont remember. i think you call it as sensors-detect |
| 03:04.01 | awal1 | then follow instructions |
| 03:04.08 | MaBunny | ok |
| 03:04.31 | awal1 | it's safe to answer YES to all question but at a given time you have to see NO |
| 03:04.40 | awal1 | just follow suggestions |
| 03:04.51 | awal1 | follow carefully |
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| 03:06.03 | awal1 | MaBunny: sensors-detect right? |
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| 03:06.45 | MaBunny | ok brb...coming back in 30 mins |
| 03:06.53 | awal1 | :D ok |
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| 03:08.21 | awal1 | almost all question you answer YES, but 1 or more NO. follow carefully the suggestions or you may harm some hardware stuff |
| 03:10.00 | Mazhive | hello some guys know how to use dkim with postfix i used this tutorial https://www.linode.com/docs/email/postfix/configure-spf-and-dkim-in-postfix-on-debian-8 but it does "not" seem to work .. |
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| 03:14.19 | Mazhive | i was reading this https://wiki.debian.org/opendkim and this seems different |
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| 03:39.47 | rklopfer_ | is there a debian installer that will definitely include 3rd party drivers out of the box so that my wifi, touchpad, etc will work immediately? |
| 03:40.29 | missmbob | not definitely |
| 03:40.31 | dvs | !firmware iso |
| 03:40.31 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
| 03:41.54 | rklopfer_ | when i installed Mint, that installer picked up the drivers for my wifi card and configured it. when i tried to install debian, it did not do that |
| 03:42.26 | missmbob | that iso is your best bet. you still might need to get newer things from jessie-backports after. |
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| 03:45.04 | rklopfer_ | okay. i am just worried that if my network connection is bricked, i won't be able to seek help from the 'net |
| 03:45.45 | rklopfer_ | thanks for the pointer to the image. maybe i can give it a whirl |
| 03:45.58 | missmbob | ethernet not possible if the firmware iso doesnt pick it up? |
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| 03:46.53 | MaBunny | hello im back |
| 03:47.07 | rklopfer_ | it is. but, my router is in an awkward position and i don't have any long ethernet cables. maybe that problem should be solved first |
| 03:47.08 | dvs | run! |
| 03:47.31 | MaBunny | guys can you help me with my gpu problems? |
| 03:47.59 | rklopfer_ | ruh roh |
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| 03:49.41 | MaBunny | paste.debian.net/895386 --> my failed Xserver start attempt |
| 03:50.19 | MaBunny | also which particular package do i need to install for my gpu driver? |
| 03:50.36 | MaBunny | wait...pasting the dmidecode file |
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| 03:54.46 | MaBunny | paste.debian.net/895400 --> my dmidecode output |
| 03:55.18 | MaBunny | if anyone could tell me how to find the graphics drivers then it could be of real help |
| 03:58.15 | dvs | MaBunny, firmware-linux-nonfree? |
| 03:58.54 | MaBunny | apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree ?? |
| 03:59.14 | dvs | yes, if your nonfree repos are configured. |
| 03:59.16 | missmbob | and the kernel like i already said |
| 03:59.24 | missmbob | dvs: he needs it from backports |
| 03:59.32 | dvs | oooooooooohh |
| 03:59.39 | missmbob | doesn't doesnt listen very well |
| 03:59.50 | missmbob | linux-image-amd64 (using -t jessie-backports) |
| 03:59.50 | dvs | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh |
| 04:00.07 | MaBunny | missmbob: sorry for being a loser,but which one do i do firdt? kernel or firmware? |
| 04:00.22 | MaBunny | ok |
| 04:00.22 | missmbob | MaBunny: did you even add jessie-backports to sources.list yet? |
| 04:00.28 | MaBunny | yes!!!! |
| 04:00.37 | MaBunny | yes mam! |
| 04:00.38 | missmbob | okay. install both. both using -t jessie-backports |
| 04:00.42 | MaBunny | ok |
| 04:01.24 | MaBunny | okay,one more thing,how do i view which arch my system is? |
| 04:01.29 | MaBunny | i forgot it.... |
| 04:02.23 | missmbob | uname -a will tell you. if it says x86_64 it's amd64 |
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| 04:02.31 | MaBunny | ok |
| 04:03.09 | MaBunny | ok i hav i686 installed |
| 04:03.32 | missmbob | great. get that. |
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| 04:05.02 | MaBunny | ok,another noob question...the linux kernel package,was it linux-i686- something? |
| 04:05.10 | missmbob | linux-image-686 |
| 04:05.27 | missmbob | or linux-image-686-pae |
| 04:05.41 | MaBunny | image stands for? |
| 04:05.47 | MaBunny | ok |
| 04:07.46 | MaBunny | do i hav to download this package only? theres nothing about kernel version or such |
| 04:08.01 | MaBunny | apt-cache search linux-image-686-pae |
| 04:08.44 | missmbob | that is the kernel. again, that one and the firmware one. using -t jessie-backports |
| 04:09.05 | MaBunny | ok |
| 04:09.49 | rklopfer | netinstall over wifi doesn't seem to be possible... |
| 04:10.30 | rklopfer | can anyone confirm that? if so, where can i file a feature request? |
| 04:10.38 | MaBunny | ok,another thing,what was the firmware package again...cant scroll up,sorry for being nagging |
| 04:10.51 | missmbob | rklopfer: it's possible depending on your hardware. |
| 04:10.54 | MaBunny | netinstall worked for me before rklopfer |
| 04:11.46 | rklopfer | hmmm. i guess my hardware isn't supported for netinstall over wifi |
| 04:11.50 | rklopfer | too bad |
| 04:12.02 | MaBunny | your wifi card maybe screws up |
| 04:12.03 | missmbob | firmware-linux-nonfree and xserver-xorg-video-intel should probably do it |
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| 04:13.22 | MaBunny | ok installing it |
| 04:13.37 | dvs | exhales |
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| 04:15.31 | MaBunny | cant use my lappy without gnome for the moment...have to keep it going |
| 04:16.32 | Mazhive | oke my opendkim seems to work on my serve but .. email-tester.com tels me it is not.. ??? |
| 04:16.53 | Mazhive | how can i be sure.. |
| 04:17.31 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:17.35 | Mazhive | it tells me Your message is not signed with DKIM |
| 04:17.41 | MaBunny | no |
| 04:17.43 | MaBunny | jim |
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| 04:18.18 | MaBunny | i typed sensors-detect,but it went on for some one/two yes's and then it stopped |
| 04:18.32 | MaBunny | it said something tht i forgot |
| 04:18.55 | jmcnaught | Mazhive: have you looked for the DKIM signature in the headers of a test email? |
| 04:18.58 | Mazhive | as my opendkim-testkey tels me ok |
| 04:19.32 | Mazhive | ah.. i send these mails to this email-tester.com |
| 04:19.49 | jmcnaught | Mazhive: so send an email to yourself |
| 04:19.50 | Mazhive | oke ill send one on one of my dummy mails. |
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| 04:20.56 | rklopfer | how can i be notified of new debian releases? i would like to try netinstall again after the next release... hopefully, my HW will be supported then |
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| 04:21.25 | jim | yeah, I forgot how to get sensors going on a debian box that didn't have it before... |
| 04:21.36 | jim | is there a wiki page or something? |
| 04:21.51 | MaBunny | rklopfer: try the firmwares iso first |
| 04:22.29 | jim | rklopfer, sec |
| 04:22.49 | rklopfer | MaBunny: i tried the one from !firmware iso |
| 04:22.53 | rklopfer | !firmware iso |
| 04:22.54 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
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| 04:23.37 | jmcnaught | rklopfer: https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/debian-announce would tell you about new releases. Also you can /msg the bot :) |
| 04:23.39 | Mazhive | jmcnaught: looking at the source of the mail nop... |
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| 04:24.05 | jim | rklopfer, do you want to try it now?if so... which dist do you want? |
| 04:24.07 | jmcnaught | Mazhive: your sentence got cut off mid-word. |
| 04:24.55 | rklopfer | jim: yes. i just tried. but, it couldn't configure wifi, so the party ended early |
| 04:25.11 | rklopfer | jmcnaught: thanks! i'm on the list |
| 04:25.21 | jim | rklopfer, do you have wired eth on that machine? |
| 04:25.23 | Mazhive | jmcnaught: itseems according to the source of the mail i did not signed it.. |
| 04:25.43 | rklopfer | jim: yes |
| 04:25.46 | Mazhive | by the way how would i know i |
| 04:25.59 | Mazhive | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:26.20 | jim | rklopfer, and, do you also have a wired net you can connect to? |
| 04:26.22 | jmcnaught | Mazhive: you can look at /var/log/mail.log for reasons why |
| 04:27.13 | rklopfer | jim: in theory. i need a longer ethernet cable |
| 04:27.39 | jmcnaught | Mazhive: and also 'journalctl -u opendkim' if it's started as its own service (some people have it started other ways) |
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| 04:28.07 | jim | ok... what you can do: if you leave the net unconfigured, it will install just the base, and it will come from the netinstall image |
| 04:28.07 | jmcnaught | most likely it'll be 'no signing table match for â¦' |
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| 04:28.35 | jim | once you're there, you can run lspci |
| 04:29.49 | jim | or maybe you can run lspci before that, in the installer... btw, I have a link to the firmware-enhanced version of the netinstall if you don't already have it |
| 04:30.06 | rklopfer | !firmware iso |
| 04:30.06 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
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| 04:30.18 | rklopfer | jim: is thta what you're talking about? |
| 04:30.23 | jim | yep |
| 04:31.01 | jim | the filename starts with firmware- |
| 04:31.35 | rklopfer | firmware-8.6.0-i386-netinst.iso |
| 04:31.43 | jim | yeah |
| 04:32.08 | rklopfer | i'll just wait for the next version. i don't want to brick my laptop right now. |
| 04:32.15 | rklopfer | lscpi != nmcli :P |
| 04:32.17 | jim | and that's what you tried, just before you said "party ended early"? |
| 04:32.39 | missmbob | rklopfer: you could try this. it's alpha8...comes with 4.7 kernel and newer firmware. it'll install stretch http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/stretch_di_alpha8/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-stretch-DI-alpha8-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 04:33.01 | rklopfer | yeah. i tried running that installer. but, it could not configure the network, so i bailed |
| 04:33.02 | dvs | O_O |
| 04:33.42 | jim | so the status must be, the partitions are ready, but that's it |
| 04:33.42 | missmbob | if that doesn't work dont hold your breath. stretch wont come out with a much newer kernel than that (probably 4.9) |
| 04:33.47 | Mazhive | jmcnaughty: seems permission issue ...http://pastebin.com/cQPh1ye1 |
| 04:34.45 | jmcnaught | Mazhive: that looks like a different unrelated problem with dovecot (your IMAP daemon) |
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| 04:35.13 | jim | rklopfer, if you end up trying it again, just leave the net unconfigured, and it would install the base |
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| 04:36.16 | MaBunny | missmbob: i installed the packages,whats next?? |
| 04:36.23 | rklopfer | jim: for me, my laptop w/o wifi is as good as a brick |
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| 04:36.55 | rklopfer | missmbob: thanks! i'll give it a whirl if just to see if network is configured during install |
| 04:37.05 | jim | what's on it now/ |
| 04:37.07 | jim | ? |
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| 04:38.21 | MaBunny | linux-image-686-pae,xserver-sorg-video-intel and linux-firmwares-nonfree all installed fromjessie backports |
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| 04:40.38 | Mazhive | oh unrelated oh ok.. |
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| 04:42.07 | MaBunny | still startx doesn run |
| 04:42.14 | MaBunny | doesnt* |
| 04:42.36 | dvs | MaBunny, did you reboot? |
| 04:42.42 | MaBunny | no |
| 04:42.47 | MaBunny | ok rebootin |
| 04:42.50 | dvs | palms his head |
| 04:43.43 | Mazhive | jmcnaught: mail.log does not have more details then this which i fixed now..and the journalctl -U only states the start and stop service |
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| 04:46.22 | rklopfer | missmbob: that installer worked! :) :) i guess i will just hold tight for an official 'stretch' release |
| 04:46.30 | missmbob | rklopfer: great :) |
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| 04:49.43 | rklopfer | and it looks like i should get to try again by March. https://release.debian.org/ |
| 04:50.20 | rklopfer | jim: i'm currently running Mint |
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| 04:53.49 | jim | ok, so if you're running mint, you're running a debian deriv... if your wireless is working now, then you can find out which driver you use |
| 04:54.43 | Mazhive | i am missing something ;/ |
| 04:58.06 | jmcnaught | Mazhive: how are you using opendkim? |
| 04:58.39 | Mazhive | with postfix |
| 04:58.57 | jmcnaught | Mazhive: how did you configure postfix to use opendkim? |
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| 05:01.54 | Mazhive | jmcnaught: http://paste.debian.net/895408/ |
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| 05:03.53 | jmcnaught | Mazhive: can you telnet to that port? 'systemctl status opendkim' says it's active and running? |
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| 05:04.43 | jmcnaught | Mazhive: separate issue, but don't use the snakeoil certs |
| 05:05.23 | missmbob | mydomain = domain.com ? |
| 05:05.50 | Mazhive | yeah ill keep it preferable private |
| 05:06.18 | missmbob | you list it elsewhere in that paste :P |
| 05:06.41 | Mazhive | snakeoil.certs yes i have to chnage that too but .. that is sceduled on my todoo list |
| 05:07.26 | Mazhive | i have my own certs so i can easily change them.. i gues |
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| 05:09.20 | MaBunny | ok guys i had rebooted but |
| 05:09.38 | MaBunny | it got stuck |
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| 05:10.37 | MaBunny | i think ill try getting a new installation done,this time with the nonfree firmwares included |
| 05:10.41 | Mazhive | systemctl opendkim status is active |
| 05:11.08 | Mazhive | telnet is connected to localhost |
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| 05:12.31 | Mazhive | http://pastebin.com/aqiZtDS6 |
| 05:14.05 | Mazhive | http://pastebin.com/Dghup94V |
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| 05:18.11 | jim | Mazhive, just so you're aware... pastebin.com does and has some negative aspects... it's full of javascript (which means the target uses more ram), ads, and capchas, probably among others... by way of comparison, there are pastebin sites that don't have those things (or has less of them). here's one alternative: you can pastebin the output of an arbitrary command by running "anArbitraryCommand | nc termbin.com 9999", and to include error messages, |
| 05:18.11 | jim | "anArbitraryCommand 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999" |
| 05:18.53 | jim | there's likely also a pastebin site in the /topic |
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| 05:20.20 | Mazhive | i know i was been pointed that last time i should not use it.... i used i think apaste.info |
| 05:21.15 | jim | now you have four possibilities |
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| 05:23.11 | jim | for a short time, I had to use my gw as my "main"ish machine, it had half gig of ram, and every time I tried to click on a pastebin.com link, the oom killer crashed it |
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| 05:28.38 | MaBunny | missmbob, can you tell me tht if i were to miss some firmwares during installation,then could i by any chance get stuck in the partitioning menu(during partitioning) |
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| 05:31.06 | jmcnaught | Mazhive: next i would increase the verbosity of opendkim. look for SyslogSuccess and LogWhy in "man opendkim.conf" |
| 05:31.57 | jmcnaught | there's also MilterDebug |
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| 05:34.09 | rklopfer | jim: thanks for the pointer to termbin. glad i continued to lurk. |
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| 05:35.17 | missmbob | pastebinit is easiest to remember, i think |
| 05:35.20 | missmbob | !pastebinit |
| 05:35.20 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" or configure pastebinit to use something other than pastebin.com. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
| 05:35.56 | missmbob | in jessie and above it uses paste.debian.net by default |
| 05:37.57 | MaBunny | can anyone tell me how to write an iso to a usb?? im downloading the firmware included netinstall from http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.6.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 05:38.24 | missmbob | cp foo.iso /dev/sdX;sync (not sdX1, but sdX) |
| 05:38.32 | MaBunny | ok |
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| 05:39.58 | MaBunny | also,missmbob,i tried installing debian on a usb yesterday night(left it for partitioning) and when i woke up today morning,it was still doing the same thing |
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| 05:40.16 | rklopfer | !pastebinit config |
| 05:40.16 | dpkg | To configure pastebinit to use paste.debian.net, echo "<pastebinit><pastebin>http://paste.debian.net</pastebin><author>$USER</author><format>text</format><jabberid>nobody@nowhere.org</jabberid></pastebinit>" > ~/.pastebinit.xml |
| 05:40.17 | MaBunny | any known reasons why it was doing so? |
| 05:40.44 | missmbob | MaBunny: maybe the flash drive is dying. maybe it didn't copy correct because you forgot to sync after. could be a million things. |
| 05:40.58 | MaBunny | ok |
| 05:41.09 | MaBunny | probably the flash drive dying |
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| 05:41.39 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell rklopfer about msg the bot |
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| 05:43.58 | rklopfer | jmcnaught: thanks. |
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| 05:47.18 | MaBunny | also where is tht file located tht stores the disks plugged into a computer? |
| 05:47.21 | MaBunny | fstab |
| 05:47.35 | MaBunny | i want to change it a bit |
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| 05:47.45 | missmbob | that's going to end well |
| 05:47.48 | missmbob | /etc/fstab |
| 05:49.23 | MaBunny | after changing fstab,should i sync my computer? |
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| 05:50.02 | missmbob | no |
| 05:50.12 | MaBunny | ok |
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| 05:56.58 | rklopfer | Unknown website, please post a bugreport to request this pastebin to be added (http://paste.debian.net) |
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| 05:59.25 | missmbob | sounds like you're not using debian. our pastebinit has it. /usr/share/pastebin.d/paste.debian.net.conf |
| 06:00.30 | themill | istr pastebinit in jessie being busted |
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| 06:02.03 | themill | ah, seems fixed again |
| 06:02.04 | rklopfer | missmbob: i have it too. i needed to switch to https in the config, but it still doesn't work |
| 06:02.39 | missmbob | https is only supported in the stretch version |
| 06:02.44 | rklopfer | just sends back http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 06:03.04 | rklopfer | okay let me change the .d/config file |
| 06:03.13 | missmbob | though i've never used https. that's what the bug report for https support said. |
| 06:03.47 | themill | rklopfer: if it's sending that back, it's because your paste got rejected as potential spam |
| 06:04.39 | rklopfer | themill: that makes sense. i just echo'd foo. let me try again |
| 06:04.49 | MaBunny | how do i mount a system after umount-ing |
| 06:05.01 | MaBunny | mount /dev/by-uuid... something? |
| 06:05.10 | MaBunny | i forgot the exact path |
| 06:05.25 | missmbob | cat /etc/fstab to remind yourself |
| 06:06.17 | rklopfer | thanks themill! sending something real-looking worked. |
| 06:06.40 | MaBunny | yeah its /dev/disk/by-uuid |
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| 06:40.56 | MaBunny | hey guys |
| 06:41.27 | MaBunny | so installing from the firmwares included netinstall loads the wireless card very well but |
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| 07:18.54 | n4dir | got a quick shell question: this works: if lynx -dump -nolist http://main.mepis-deb.org/MX14packages.html | grep "$search_term" |
| 07:19.12 | n4dir | but if i put the URL in a list/array, it doesn't work anymore: |
| 07:19.32 | n4dir | repo_list=( http://main.mepis-deb.org/MX15packages.html ... ) |
| 07:19.45 | n4dir | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:19.56 | n4dir | http://sprunge.us/HYKT |
| 07:20.50 | jeffstock | is debian really a linux distro |
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| 07:34.27 | tvm | n4dir: #bash |
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| 07:36.15 | tvm | i think it should be for i in "${repo_list[@]}" though |
| 07:36.17 | iamawesome | Hi, http://imgur.com/a/RWROk , is it normal? 1MB unallocated at the end from gparted. |
| 07:36.36 | tvm | yeah, it is normal. |
| 07:37.22 | iamawesome | But why is this 1MB unallocated at the end? How is it created? |
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| 07:43.16 | tvm | i think it stores GPT stuff, so it's not really unallocated, it just contains metadata about your partitioning. |
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| 07:44.38 | iamawesome | tvm: Ok |
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| 07:45.51 | iamawesome | Thank you all. |
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| 08:20.19 | slax0r | hello, is it possible to download an jessie install image, and have it install kernel from backports automatically? as in have it already prepared in the image and not have it download from internet? |
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| 08:21.18 | babilen | No |
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| 08:21.43 | babilen | Well, it is possible, but there are no such images at the moment. You can definitely do it with PXE or another scripted installation. |
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| 08:24.19 | slax0r | problem is, I don't know on what hardware exactly I'll be installing it, and if it's a skylake cpu, there's a good chance I'll have internet connectivity issues again, so I'd rather have the backported kernel on the ready |
| 08:24.36 | slax0r | is it possible to just download everything necesarry as .deb packages, and install localy after? |
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| 08:41.27 | vamadir | hello, how is debian stretch? is stable? |
| 08:41.59 | vamadir | ex. debian stretch vs ubuntu 16.04 what is more stable? |
| 08:42.23 | vamadir | for me more importent is kernel 4.8> |
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| 08:42.53 | RoyK | !next |
| 08:42.53 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 08:43.02 | RoyK | !debian next |
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| 08:43.45 | RoyK | vamadir: well, no, it's testing, that is, whatever's going to become the next stable. see #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net for questions about it |
| 08:43.59 | vamadir | thsnks |
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| 08:44.29 | vamadir | :( invite only |
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| 08:45.45 | babilen | vamadir: This is irc.freenode.net not irc.oftc.net where you find the channel |
| 08:45.52 | vamadir | oh. |
| 08:45.55 | vamadir | sirry |
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| 10:03.36 | jelly | !qotd0 |
| 10:03.36 | dpkg | <jelly-home> zarnozC: never mind. pastebin the output of ssh -vvv servername <zarnozC> http://pastebin.ca/1018307 [ssh: servername: Name or service not known] <zarnozC> jelly-home: SHould I replace servername with something? |
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| 10:08.56 | r0flc0pt3r | Hey guys, i set "/dev/sdX /tmp ext4 defaults 0 0" in /etc/fstab, and mount -a whilst system is running works fine, but as soon as reboot no automated mount for /tmp, any help please, thanks in advance |
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| 10:12.42 | d3lphi | what is the best way to have a command executed on a headless GNU/Linux Debian Jessie installation? /etc/rc.local is ok ? |
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| 10:18.34 | colo-work | d3lphi, you should write a systemd unit ( a service of type "simple", which is the default) instead. it's trivial to do. |
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| 10:28.45 | Jonno_FTW | hello, is there a program like wubi for debian? |
| 10:28.57 | Jonno_FTW | win32-loader doesn't work with my version of win 10 |
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| 10:31.24 | slax0r | how bad of an idea is it to use sid on a dev machine? |
| 10:31.56 | Iridos | you might want to tell people what "wubi" is, if anyone is supposed to answer |
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| 10:32.17 | Jonno_FTW | it's a program for installing a distro to drive from within windows |
| 10:32.22 | petn-randall | slax0r: Works fine (I'm running stretch), though you should know how to fix and report smaller problems on your Debian machine. |
| 10:32.26 | Iridos | slax0r, sounds like a splendid idea, because devs just love fixing bugs in packages on a daily basis? |
| 10:33.31 | slax0r | well, lack of jessie's support for skylake CPUs is what concerns me |
| 10:33.52 | petn-randall | slax0r: It should be enough to install a kernel from backports. |
| 10:34.05 | Nazara | Hi All! I'm having an issue compiling a kernel on testing - Cannot use CONFIG_CC_STACKPROTECTOR_STRONG: -fstack-protector-strong not supported by compiler |
| 10:34.21 | Nazara | I'm fully updated and AFAIK everything is correctly installed - gcc 6.2 |
| 10:34.46 | slax0r | petn-randall: last time I had issues with internet connectivity on a clean install of jessie |
| 10:35.16 | slax0r | sort of got it working after spending almost a whole day on the damn thing |
| 10:35.20 | slax0r | now I kidna want to avoid that |
| 10:35.42 | petn-randall | slax0r: If wifi doesn't work, your device might depend on non-free firmware, and you'd need the firmware installer. Ethernet should always work, don't know of a case yet where it doesn't. |
| 10:36.11 | Iridos | Jonno_FTW, win32-loader is the one that was often recommended here⦠|
| 10:36.22 | Iridos | why'd it be distro-specific |
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| 10:37.12 | slax0r | true... I'm moving to a different country for a new job, no idea yet what exact hardware I'm getting, nor if there is an option for a wired connection, if it is, no problem at all(or if it's haswell..I hope it's haswell), but I'd rather have some backup if all comes to worse and I can't get online to install from backports |
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| 10:38.19 | petn-randall | !tell Nazara -about debian-next |
| 10:38.29 | Nazara | cheers |
| 10:38.37 | petn-randall | Nazara: Check out the dpkg message, see you there |
| 10:41.36 | Jonno_FTW | Iridos: I get this error when running win32-loader: http://puu.sh/shP7H/30eb43ee7d.png |
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| 10:50.39 | Jonno_FTW | guess I need a proper installer |
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| 11:33.52 | [exa] | Hi all. Q: What's the easiest way to get python3.4 into stretch? (there's jessie version and sid version) |
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| 11:34.43 | n4dir | probably python environment, to install pyhton versions in your users home. Can't recall the exact name, perhaps pyenv |
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| 11:35.03 | petn-randall | [exa]: If you don't like python 3.5 in stretch, you can probably install it with pyenv |
| 11:35.05 | n4dir | assuming you already checked backports |
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| 11:35.43 | thermoman | where do I report dist-upgrade problems? tzdata in wheezy has version '2016i-0+deb7u1' and in jessie '2016f-0+deb8u1' so apt wont upgrade since i>f |
| 11:37.11 | petn-randall | ,v tzdata |
| 11:37.13 | judd | Package: tzdata on amd64 -- wheezy: 2016d-0+deb7u1; jessie: 2016f-0+deb8u1; stretch: 2016h-1; wheezy-security: 2016i-0+deb7u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 2016i-0+deb8u1; jessie-updates: 2016i-0+deb8u1; stretch: 2016i-1; sid: 2016i-1 |
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| 11:38.22 | petn-randall | thermoman: That's indeed unfortunate. You can work around the problem by adding jessie-updates, though. |
| 11:38.51 | thermoman | petn-randall: I know - but why hasn't 2016i been released in jessie-security ? |
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| 11:39.18 | thermoman | I guess there will be an update to jessie with 2016i soon, right? |
| 11:39.23 | [exa] | petn-randall: will try, thanks. |
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| 11:40.46 | petn-randall | thermoman: I think it's because wheezy didn't have a wheezy-updates, so all updates must go through wheezy-security, whereas in jessie all non-critical updates go through jessie-updates, and get wrapped up in point releases every few months. |
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| 11:41.39 | petn-randall | thermoman: It's still a bug though, I'd report it on the tzdata package. Might warrant a RC severity, since it breaks automatic upgrades and is easy to fix. |
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| 11:44.20 | thermoman | petn-randall: ok, thanks |
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| 11:47.20 | oliv3r | Hi, i'm looking for the systemd-firstboot binary in debian, but it seemst o have been stripped/ommited; anybody know more about this? |
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| 11:54.28 | introom | why the package 'manpages-posix-dev' is missing from the `testing' version? |
| 11:54.31 | introom | any reason? |
| 11:54.34 | hugleo | What is the better directory to place my manually compilated modules? I'm thinking in create a folder inside the root folder /lib/modules/3.16.0-4-amd64/ and put the modules there. Or is better that a put my folder inside other folder like: /lib/modules/3.16.0-4-amd64/extra/ ? |
| 11:54.45 | nkuttler | ,v manpages-posix-dev |
| 11:54.50 | judd | Package: manpages-posix-dev on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 2.16-1; wheezy/non-free: 2.16-1; sid/non-free: 2013a-1 |
| 11:55.21 | nkuttler | !why is manpages-posix-dev not in testing |
| 11:55.21 | dpkg | manpages-posix-dev is not in testing for the reasons listed in https://qa.debian.org/excuses.php?package=manpages-posix-dev |
| 11:55.44 | jelly | oliv3r: looks to have been introduced in v217, which is newer than jessie release, and disabled after package build 218-5 |
| 11:56.24 | introom | nkuttler: no ecuse ? |
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| 11:56.56 | nkuttler | introom: probably same as https://qa.debian.org/excuses.php?package=manpages-posix |
| 11:57.23 | nkuttler | ,v manpages-posix |
| 11:57.25 | judd | Package: manpages-posix on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 2.16-1; wheezy/non-free: 2.16-1; sid/non-free: 2013a-1 |
| 11:57.37 | nkuttler | !tell introom about debian-next |
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| 11:59.19 | thermoman | petn-randall: reported it: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=844315 |
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| 12:48.16 | freakyy | hi all. can anyone tell me how i can set up a good rtmp server (live stream server) on debian 8.6 with support for authentication? |
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| 12:51.08 | Howdy | how do you update to latest version of XEN in Debian? |
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| 12:55.21 | Cueball | Hi all. Having an issue with IPv6 over PPPoE. I can ping a host but connections just timout. |
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| 13:01.46 | petn-randall | thermoman: If it actually breaks the upgrade, it would be good if you can also add the complete log of that to the bug report, too. |
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| 13:26.02 | Mazhive | jmcnaught: i think i found the problem but cant find the solution... i get the following in mail.log warning: connect to Milter service local:/var/run/opendkim/opendkim.sock: No such file or directory |
| 13:26.33 | Mazhive | i have a pid file owned by root ?? other than that itsempty |
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| 13:35.34 | jolt | Mazhive: I don't run that, but look inte config on opendkim and see if it is supposed to run as another user, and perhaps also remove the pid created by root and restart it |
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| 13:36.17 | jolt | Mazhive: if we pretend that it is supposed to run as user nobody, then the process cant write to the pid, and shit breaks |
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| 13:41.05 | Howdy | so there is no quick & dirty guide to upgrade to xen 4.7 from xen 4.4 |
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| 13:45.40 | jmcnaught | Mazhive: what is the source of that error. Your /etc/postfix/main.cf from earlier had smtpd_milters = inet:localhost:8891 |
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| 13:47.39 | monsune | is there anyone around willing to help a bit with mod_mono? i'm getting a crazy error from apache which i can't seem to since yesterday: Failed running '/usr/lib/mono/4.5/mod-mono-server4.exe --filename /tmp/mod_mono_server_global --nonstop --master (null) (null) (null) (null) (null) (null) (null) (null)'. Reason: Exec format error |
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| 13:48.50 | monsune | to solve* |
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| 13:51.40 | Cueball | I'm Having an issue with IPv6 over PPPoE. I can ping a host but connections just timout. Any ideas? No Firewall rules exist for IPv6. |
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| 13:52.29 | Howdy | Cueball: Have you checked if server is listening on the ports your trying to connect using netstat? |
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| 13:54.18 | Cueball | It's outgoing connections that I'm trying to make also. IPv6 works great on the internal network but seems over PPPoE it doesn't. This seems to be after an apt-get upgrade. I was on Wheezy but I am now on Jessie as I was trying to diagnose the problem. |
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| 13:59.26 | boxrick1 | Within the DHCPD document it says "If the DHCP server does not have a network interface in a range of a subnet declaration, the DHCP server does not serve that network." |
| 13:59.30 | boxrick1 | Is there a way around this? |
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| 13:59.51 | boxrick1 | I have a network interface which lives within a subnet but receives traffic from multiple subnets |
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| 14:02.11 | Mahe | hey, I've got a source code archive that contains a 'debian' directory and is prepared to be built with dpkg-buildpackage. Is there a command that installs build- and runtime-dependencies for me? |
| 14:02.19 | boxrick1 | Seems I have fixed it |
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| 14:03.36 | themill | Mahe: which release of debian? |
| 14:03.45 | Mahe | themill: jessie |
| 14:04.07 | themill | mk-build-deps is the simplest then |
| 14:04.15 | themill | !mk-build-deps |
| 14:04.16 | dpkg | mk-build-deps is a script in the <devscripts> package that creates a package called "yourpackage-build-deps" that depends on the <build-dep> packages; combining this with apt's <autoremove> feature allows you to remove build-deps after you have installed them. mk-build-deps requires the <equivs> package to be installed too. |
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| 14:05.35 | Mahe | themill: thanks! will try that |
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| 14:06.26 | themill | (in stretch, apt can work directly from the source package) |
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| 14:13.55 | monsune | mod_mono on apache will download .aspx instead of executing it... did you have this error before? |
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| 14:35.51 | SotK | hi folks, I'm trying to build an image based on stretch with debootstrap, and am running into a conflict between systemd-shim and systemd-sysv (which is being installed as it is a dependency of udisks2). Is there some way I can solve this? |
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| 14:48.03 | icebrain | why is systemd-shim being installed? |
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| 14:49.31 | svisor | hi, I have following problem: /var/log/mail.log size is 0, new messages appear in /var/log/mail.log.1, I'm on debian wheezy with rsyslog, postfix+courier, what could be wrong? |
| 14:49.41 | petn-randall | !tell icebrain -about ask |
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| 14:50.06 | Stummi | I think icebrain just answered to SotK |
| 14:50.36 | petn-randall | Ah, didn't see the connection, sorry for the noise, icebrain. |
| 14:51.57 | oliv3r | jelly: any reason as to why it was disabled? |
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| 14:54.02 | SotK | icebrain: I'm not entirely sure |
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| 14:54.40 | SotK | oh actually, it looks perhaps like they are both depended on by libpam-systemd, which is a dependency of udisks2 |
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| 14:59.34 | svisor | seems, that this solved my problem: /etc/init.d/rsyslog rotate |
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| 15:35.21 | nickgaw | Hi, What is the best way for two users on a debian jessie system to share a directory? |
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| 15:36.54 | way218 | add them to the same group |
| 15:37.11 | way218 | and give the group the permissions you want to the directory |
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| 15:37.42 | n4dir | should already be part of the same group (users or such), no? |
| 15:38.18 | way218 | true, but maybe he does not want to give all "users" access |
| 15:38.50 | nickgaw | yes but I have a build user and a normal user and I wish to have them be able to share content but if I try to copy files from my own directory to build's directory I get permission denied messages? |
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| 15:40.59 | way218 | create a group with same name |
| 15:41.05 | way218 | add those two users to this group |
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| 15:41.53 | way218 | do you want access to the full build-user home directory ? |
| 15:42.38 | nickgaw | What command will setup the directory to allow both users to work with it? |
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| 15:43.36 | way218 | chgrp -R name_of_your_group /path_of_your_directory |
| 15:43.42 | way218 | its recurvsive |
| 15:43.50 | markvandenborre | W: Failed to fetch https://raw.githubusercontent.com/FOSDEM/video-debian/master/dists/jessie/main/binary-amd64/Packages Bad header line |
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| 15:44.03 | DrBunsen | Hello, I installed the nvidia drivers from the non-free branch a while ago, and X uses them. How do I go about and uninstall nvidia and use the integrated intel drivers? I do not know how to configure X. |
| 15:44.07 | way218 | be carfull ... if you apply it to your toor tree (/) you system is doomed :) |
| 15:44.11 | markvandenborre | is what I get on one machine when I try to apt-get update |
| 15:44.26 | markvandenborre | on another machine, this repo comes through just fine |
| 15:44.49 | icebrain | SotK: sorry for the delay, but it seems like libpam-systemd takes either, so maybe you can convince apt to install just systemd-sysv? |
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| 15:44.58 | markvandenborre | I've checked the caches in /var/lib/apt/lists |
| 15:45.01 | markvandenborre | but no idea really |
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| 15:45.34 | way218 | nickgaw: you have to check the group permissions of the directory. with the command you change which group the directory belongs to |
| 15:45.38 | markvandenborre | what is wrong with this |
| 15:45.44 | markvandenborre | any ideas what I could check? |
| 15:45.48 | DrBunsen | did you write the sources.list yourself? |
| 15:45.52 | SotK | icebrain: currently trying to pass --exclude=systemd-shim to debootstrap and hoping that is the case |
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| 15:46.00 | markvandenborre | I used reprepro, a Debian blessed tool |
| 15:46.07 | markvandenborre | to create the repo |
| 15:46.15 | markvandenborre | and obviously, I wrote the sources.list myself |
| 15:46.32 | markvandenborre | since I am testing with a repo that I built myself, with packages that I built myself ... |
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| 15:46.58 | DrBunsen | errors in the sources.list? |
| 15:47.03 | DrBunsen | like spellings or signs? |
| 15:47.39 | Mazhive | mazh |
| 15:47.50 | Mazhive | oops |
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| 15:48.10 | DrBunsen | I installed the nvidia drivers from the non-free branch a while ago, and X uses them. How do I go about and uninstall nvidia and use the integrated intel drivers? I do not know how to configure X. |
| 15:48.46 | SirLagz | DrBunsen: do you have a laptop with Optimus or something? |
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| 15:49.28 | DrBunsen | SirLAgz: It is a desktop with a i5-4460 in it. |
| 15:49.51 | SirLagz | DrBunsen: did you pull the nVidia card out already? |
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| 15:50.12 | markvandenborre | DrBunsen: I would think not, since on a different machine (running stretch btw) |
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| 15:50.18 | markvandenborre | this comes through just fine |
| 15:50.38 | DrBunsen | SirLagz: the plan is too utilize the videocard in a vm |
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| 15:50.44 | SirLagz | DrBunsen: ah right. |
| 15:50.44 | DrBunsen | so it is still in |
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| 15:51.47 | SotK | --exclude didn't work :( |
| 15:51.50 | SirLagz | DrBunsen: I'd remove the x.org file, then pull out the graphics card, then run X --configure to generate a new config file for X, and then move that file to the right spot. |
| 15:51.58 | SirLagz | DrBunsen: just a guess off the top of my head...but that's how I'd start. |
| 15:52.43 | DrBunsen | SirLagz: And I suppose deleting the nvidia packages before taking the videocard out? |
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| 15:52.50 | SirLagz | DrBunsen: oh yes, and that. |
| 15:52.52 | SirLagz | DrBunsen: derp. |
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| 15:53.19 | DrBunsen | SirLagz: Just wanted to be sure, well I will try to do that. If I won't return, it is dead ;) |
| 15:53.29 | SirLagz | DrBunsen: lol |
| 15:53.40 | SirLagz | DrBunsen: if all else fails, remove X config file and let it figure itself out |
| 15:54.10 | DrBunsen | SirLagz: right, thanks, gonna try it |
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| 15:57.25 | Mazhive | jmcnaught: now i am trying a different approach .. i am trying to use a socket../etc/default/opedkim http://paste.debian.net/895571/ |
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| 15:58.45 | Mazhive | and /etc/postfix/main.cf http://paste.debian.net/895572/ |
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| 16:10.33 | ksk | Hey Guys, Do I get it right there is no corresponding bug in bugs.debian.org for: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84923 (systemd kills services if you do an systemd-journald.service restart) |
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| 16:18.35 | Guest73722 | hi - can someone help - what are the correct permissions of '/etc/apt/trusted.gpg'? |
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| 16:18.54 | Guest73722 | getting this error "The key(s) in the keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg are ignored as the file is not readable by user 'root' executing apt-key." |
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| 16:19.34 | petn-randall | Guest73722: What happened that the permissions changed? |
| 16:19.51 | Guest73722 | i performed full-upgrade |
| 16:20.08 | petn-randall | Guest73722: From what to what? |
| 16:20.11 | Guest73722 | to debian stretch |
| 16:20.26 | petn-randall | And what were you running before? |
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| 16:20.57 | Guest73722 | the alpha debian stretch installer |
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| 16:21.44 | Guest73722 | it was the Debian Installer Stretch Alpha 7 release |
| 16:21.46 | petn-randall | !debian-next |
| 16:21.46 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 16:21.50 | petn-randall | Guest73722: ^^^ |
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| 16:23.09 | Guest73722 | ah - well i thought i might be able to just fix permission |
| 16:23.30 | Guest73722 | thanks for the oftc lead |
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| 16:25.35 | DrBunsen | SirLags: nvidia-* or nvidia-driver ? (didnt do it yet, had to do something else) |
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| 16:36.34 | Howdy | so mouse is hung in Debian 8 guest os again |
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| 16:36.41 | Howdy | OS itself is working fine |
| 16:36.44 | Howdy | guest os.. |
| 16:37.16 | Howdy | meaning keyboard is working to interact with OS |
| 16:37.46 | Smither | Hey, I have just tried to user reptyr to move a process from an ssh connection to a screen session but it didn't work. it complained about possible child processes. I have succeeded grabbing a "tail -f" but it fails if i do the same thing using "sudo tail -f" is this a known issue that reptyr doesn't work with sudo? or is it something I'm doing? I can't find anything about reptyr and sudo online |
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| 16:41.45 | Circuitsoft | Hello - I have a non-distro-specific question about smartctl. Where is the best place to ask? |
| 16:42.02 | SirLagz | Circuitsoft: ##linux ? |
| 16:42.29 | Circuitsoft | Basically, I ran "smartctl -x -d cciss,0 /dev/cciss/c0d0" and it seems to have frozen. |
| 16:43.16 | Circuitsoft | I have a program of my own trying to use the same CCISS APIs, and I'm getting many strange errors. |
| 16:44.13 | thermoman | petn-randall: it just doesn't downgrade tzdata. no other breakage besides this. and it's even no problem since the package version is newer. |
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| 16:46.00 | DrBunsen | SirLagz: Well, it didn't break my system, it almost seems like nothing was changed, thanks. |
| 16:46.08 | SirLagz | DrBunsen: woot |
| 16:46.26 | SirLagz | DrBunsen: is it using the intel card now? |
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| 16:54.56 | PinkPing | there is a linux manual in that what is difference between < > and [ ] ? |
| 16:55.19 | han-solo | yes |
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| 16:56.02 | jelly | PinkPing: depends on the context but yes those usually have different meanings |
| 16:56.17 | PinkPing | jelly: what meaning? |
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| 16:56.21 | PinkPing | [] is option? |
| 16:56.24 | han-solo | < > are used for indirection mainly |
| 16:56.27 | PinkPing | <> is required? |
| 16:56.31 | han-solo | [ ] are used for testing |
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| 16:56.57 | jelly | PinkPing: oh, you're asking about the man pages syntax themselves? Yeah, stuff in [ ... ] is optional |
| 16:57.06 | han-solo | it's like if [ -f $file ];then echo "$file exists";fi |
| 16:57.08 | PinkPing | yes man page |
| 16:57.29 | jelly | PinkPing: man man |
| 16:57.31 | jelly | :-) |
| 16:57.38 | PinkPing | then what is < > jelly ? |
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| 16:57.46 | han-solo | :) |
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| 16:58.11 | PinkPing | han-solo: in the man page :) |
| 16:58.27 | han-solo | yes |
| 16:58.37 | PinkPing | [] is option and <> is requsitive? |
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| 16:58.46 | han-solo | sorry |
| 16:59.44 | PinkPing | airmon-ng <check> [kill] <ââ jelly ? |
| 16:59.51 | jelly | PinkPing: perhaps, but I can't find a reference for that |
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| 17:02.04 | petn-randall | thermoman: You said you had problems with dist-upgrade, I assumed it broke the upgrade. |
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| 17:02.20 | PinkPing | ok thanks jelly |
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| 17:03.41 | jelly | Circuitsoft: not enough info in hpacucli / hpssacli about the health of your disks? |
| 17:03.43 | petn-randall | thermoman: When you said 'apt wont upgrade' I assumed you meant that the package can't be upgraded due to the package being newer than the one in jessie. |
| 17:04.06 | petn-randall | thermoman: I'll downgrade the severity of this bug report, as it doesn't break the upgrade. |
| 17:05.07 | thermoman | petn-randall: I did a dist-upgrade, yes. and apt didn't change to the version from jessie because wheezies was newer. |
| 17:05.29 | thermoman | petn-randall: "When you said 'apt wont upgrade' I assumed you meant that the package can't be upgraded due to the package being newer than the one in jessie" <-- that is correct |
| 17:05.49 | thermoman | I did dist-upgrade wheezy -> jessie |
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| 17:06.15 | thermoman | just figured out that jessie hat older version than wheezy after I posted here initially |
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| 17:07.07 | jrwren | Is there a way to ask reportbug to try again for a report it saved in /tmp ? |
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| 17:08.41 | petn-randall | thermoman: But the only thing that didn't upgrade was the package 'tzdata', not the package 'apt', right? |
| 17:08.56 | thermoman | petn-randall: right |
| 17:09.11 | jelly | ,i tzdata |
| 17:09.12 | judd | Package tzdata (localization, required) in jessie/amd64: time zone and daylight-saving time data. Version: 2016f-0+deb8u1; Size: 180.6k; Installed: 1533k; Homepage: http://www.iana.org/time-zones |
| 17:09.18 | jelly | ,v tzdata |
| 17:09.19 | judd | Package: tzdata on amd64 -- wheezy: 2016d-0+deb7u1; jessie: 2016f-0+deb8u1; stretch: 2016h-1; wheezy-security: 2016i-0+deb7u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 2016i-0+deb8u1; jessie-updates: 2016i-0+deb8u1; stretch: 2016i-1; sid: 2016i-1 |
| 17:09.26 | thermoman | petn-randall: "didn't upgrade" is kind of confusing, cause it would need to DOWNGRADE to get to version in jessie |
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| 17:09.28 | petn-randall | thermoman: Yeah, that part I misunderstood. If apt had failed to upgrade, that would have been more disastrous. |
| 17:09.42 | petn-randall | apt as in package 'apt'. |
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| 17:11.24 | thermoman | petn-randall: I use http://stuff.thermoman.de/apt-listrepositories.pl to list all packages and their install source after an dist-upgrade and was just wondering why tzdata was still from wheezy and apt didn't mention anything from packages hold back |
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| 17:14.17 | petn-randall | thermoman: Good to see that you're putting some Perl to good use ;) |
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| 17:17.26 | atannus | Hello. |
| 17:17.33 | atannus | How do I get the dirty cow patch upgrade? I see several articles with instructions to just update/(dist-)upgrade/reboot but that does not seem to be enough. |
| 17:17.59 | FinalX | do you have debian-security configured? |
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| 17:18.10 | FinalX | also, backports kernels do not get the fixes |
| 17:18.20 | jelly | atannus: which debian release are you using? |
| 17:18.26 | atannus | I believe I do: deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free |
| 17:18.41 | atannus | jelly: 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.82-1 |
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| 17:19.00 | maziar | hello all i have cinnamon , i don't know how to add short key for keyboard layout changing, how should i do it |
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| 17:19.38 | jelly | atannus: go read the changelog for your kernel: zless /usr/share/doc/linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64/changelog.Debian.gz |
| 17:19.48 | atannus | There's a wheezy-backports.list file, perhaps that's what FinalX is refering to? |
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| 17:20.08 | jelly | atannus: see if it mentions the CVE number for your vulnerability. |
| 17:20.49 | jelly | atannus: you can also look up CVE numbers on security-tracker.debian.org |
| 17:21.43 | atannus | jelly: it does. |
| 17:22.02 | jelly | then you already have it. |
| 17:22.07 | atannus | jelly: It says * mm, gup: close FOLL MAP_PRIVATE race (CVE-2016-5195) |
| 17:22.19 | atannus | jelly: Then how can I get root when running the POC? |
| 17:22.33 | jelly | which POC? |
| 17:24.58 | jelly | perhaps you've tried it already before rebooting into the patched kernel, and the relevant file is modified from before |
| 17:24.59 | atannus | jelly: https://gist.github.com/rverton/e9d4ff65d703a9084e85fa9df083c679 |
| 17:25.03 | unborn | !release |
| 17:25.03 | dpkg | Debian 8 "Jessie" was released on 2015-04-25. It is now considered "stable". Ask me about <install debian>, or <wheezy->jessie> to upgrade from Debian 7 "Wheezy". See http://www.debian.org/releases/ or <release history> for the latest (and historical) releases. For updates from the Debian Release Team, see http://release.debian.org/ |
| 17:25.33 | petn-randall | atannus: Did you reboot since you installed the updates? |
| 17:25.39 | atannus | jelly: Pretty sure not. I've rebooted several times. |
| 17:25.45 | atannus | petn-randall: several times. |
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| 17:25.59 | petn-randall | atannus: Then check how the POC works, maybe it's a false positive. |
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| 17:26.27 | petn-randall | (just like there were dozens of false positive on the crappy POC of heartbleed, etc.) |
| 17:26.38 | unborn | guys do we know when stretch will be released? roughly... |
| 17:26.42 | atannus | petn-randall: pretty sure it's not. I get root, no question about that. |
| 17:26.54 | jelly | unborn: /msg dpkg wwsr |
| 17:26.54 | crayon | hey kunwon1 |
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| 17:27.40 | atannus | I'm curious about FinalX's comment. There's a backport repository, maybe I should just remove it? |
| 17:27.46 | unborn | cheers jelly |
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| 17:28.24 | jelly | atannus: fire up a fresh wheezy VM, patch it up, reboot and test again, if you can modify /usr/bin/passwd as normal user with no sudo privs file a bug report |
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| 17:29.13 | jelly | atannus: you do not seem to actually be using the backported kernel, so no need to remove the repo |
| 17:29.37 | atannus | jelly: shouldn't I try removing the wheezy-backports repo first? I mean, it's been stated here backports don't get the patch... |
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| 17:30.14 | jelly | atannus: you would have to explicitely install a kernel from backports, to even test that statement |
| 17:30.16 | atannus | jelly: ah, ok. Well, that's quite odd then, I should say. |
| 17:30.42 | jelly | my guess is your /usr/bin/passwd comes pre-broken already |
| 17:31.26 | jelly | atannus: so become root, reinstall "passwd" package, verify /usr/bin/passwd is back to normal, then try the POC again |
| 17:31.27 | atannus | jelly: for this test to make sense, wouldn't I have to install from the same source as the 'broken' server? I don't have access to that since it's a slice... |
| 17:31.50 | jelly | a slice? |
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| 17:32.23 | atannus | jelly: a vm instance somewhere in the cloud. |
| 17:33.07 | unborn | eh |
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| 17:35.10 | jelly | atannus: how paranoid are you? It's theoretically possible the source image you're creating wheezy VMs from comes with a kernel that _says_ it's 3.2.82-1 but it actually vulnerable. :-) |
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| 17:36.06 | atannus | jelly: Not too paranoid. |
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| 17:36.49 | atannus | jelly: I'm curious, and would like to fix this asap... |
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| 17:37.19 | atannus | jelly: I don'tk now how to reinstall passwd, I can't remove it because it's apparently depended upon by some other packages. |
| 17:37.33 | jelly | apt-get --reinstall install passwd |
| 17:37.55 | atannus | Done. |
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| 17:38.02 | jelly | don't remember if apt in wheezy has the shorted apt-get reinstall command. |
| 17:38.25 | jelly | atannus: compare /usr/bin/passwd before and after reinstall |
| 17:38.31 | atannus | I can no longer escalate. |
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| 17:38.42 | jelly | so it was broken from before |
| 17:39.07 | atannus | So, wtf happened? Even though the kernel was patched I could still get priv? |
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| 17:39.43 | jelly | my guess is you, or someone else, tried the POC before the kernel was patched and rebooted into the fixed one, leaving pwned /usr/bin/passwd in place |
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| 17:40.21 | jelly | after the reboot, the POC did nothing, but the payload was already present |
| 17:40.28 | petn-randall | this ^^^^ |
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| 17:40.57 | petn-randall | That's why it's important to _understand_ what a POC does, not blindly rely on the output of it. |
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| 17:41.11 | atannus | jelly: hopefully that someoen else was me, but the funny thing is I don't remember getting an update since the first time I ran the poc. |
| 17:42.07 | atannus | petn-randall: noted... |
| 17:42.17 | atannus | And thanks... |
| 17:42.32 | jelly | make a new wheezy image, see if it comes with POC in place of /usr/bin/passwd by default :-) |
| 17:42.41 | jelly | a new wheezy VM* |
| 17:42.47 | jelly | (from the same source image) |
| 17:43.05 | jelly | that would be a nice touch, someone messing up your image |
| 17:43.09 | atannus | if it does, the original image is corrupted? |
| 17:43.14 | jelly | nod |
| 17:43.27 | atannus | better let the folks at the host know too... |
| 17:43.37 | jelly | THEN you'd have stuff to worry about |
| 17:44.08 | jelly | (also, brouhaha for the provider if it's the provider's image) |
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| 17:44.45 | atannus | This is most likely my doing. I ran the POC a while back, and the kernel was in a previous version. |
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| 18:04.45 | xaero | hi, in regards to debian providing a linux kernel with no nonfree blobs, does that mean that nonfree firmware just isn't provided, or is there any code altering done (i.e similar to the linux-libre deblob script)? |
| 18:05.17 | greycat | nonfree firmware is provided in the (non-default) nonfree repository |
| 18:05.21 | greycat | !non-free |
| 18:05.21 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 18:05.55 | greycat | If you need it during installation (e.g. for wifi) then there are unofficial installer images with the nonfree firmware included. |
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| 18:07.07 | zuiss1 | anyone tried lxqt in testing/unstable? any good? |
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| 18:10.31 | petn-randall | !debian-next |
| 18:10.32 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 18:10.34 | petn-randall | zuiss1: ^^^ |
| 18:10.47 | petn-randall | zuiss1: Though should ask a more specific question to get a useful answer. |
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| 18:11.27 | zuiss1 | it's not a support question. i run stable too |
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| 18:12.36 | cloudowind | i need to talk to Ian |
| 18:12.38 | xaero | greycat: but the difference vs linux-libre, is that the firmware isn't provided (by default) as opposed to code modification? |
| 18:12.45 | jhutchins | zuiss1: Higher concentration of testing users on that oftc channel. |
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| 18:12.55 | DutchComputerKid | Finally its working |
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| 18:13.22 | greycat | xaero: Debian has a non-free repository because it acknowledged that some of its users want these things. The person adminning the box has to "opt in" to it. |
| 18:13.44 | greycat | If you don't go out of your way to opt in, you'll never get the non-free packages. |
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| 18:14.39 | DutchComputerKid | In the sources.list, when adding 'extra' to the repo's apt crashes. Has this been removed? |
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| 18:15.16 | jelly | xaero: IIRC there may be some remaining code fixes, but most of those regarding firmware separation from code got accepted upstream years ago |
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| 18:16.00 | xaero | thanks greycat jelly thats what i thought after reading http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/288027/what-are-the-differences-between-debian-linux-kernel-and-linux-libre |
| 18:16.01 | jelly | has no idea what linux-libre does |
| 18:16.23 | xaero | jelly: some script that modifies code so that blobs cannot be loaded at all |
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| 18:16.47 | xaero | whereas as i asked, the kernel provided in debian can, but just doesn't have any nonfree blobs provided by default |
| 18:17.14 | jelly | correct, the functionality is not removed in debian |
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| 18:19.07 | jhutchins | Seems like I've heard of this before: Apache is not cleaning up it's child processes, hitting maximum and stops responding. 30 connections, 512 processes. MaxChildRequests is 4k. Any clues? |
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| 18:21.44 | cloudowind | what a shame |
| 18:21.47 | jelly | jhutchins: which debian release? Which mpm? Do you see anything interesting in server-status? |
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| 18:27.14 | pingfloyd | greycat: that's one of the big pluses of debian |
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| 18:27.20 | jelly | jhutchins: asking the same thing both here and in #rhel makes me raise an eyebrow |
| 18:27.32 | cloudowind | where is Ian/ |
| 18:27.45 | pingfloyd | greycat: they make it easy to make your system purist free or not |
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| 18:29.09 | jelly | cloudowind: I've quieted you for an hour because of noise. If you have an explanation for your behaviour, and a support question to ask, PM me |
| 18:29.25 | todd_dsm | how would one go about making bash the default shell interpreter at the beginning, as in from the preseeds file? |
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| 18:30.32 | jelly | todd_dsm: what do you mean by "default shell interpreter"? It's the default login shell for normal users. |
| 18:30.42 | greycat | I suspect he means the target of the /bin/sh symlink. |
| 18:30.49 | greycat | Would be nice if people would say what they mean. |
| 18:32.55 | todd_dsm | jelly: I'm auto-building and dash is getting under my skin. During the packer auto build process all scripts are executed with sudo. While the default user would certainly use bash, the root use is subject to using "sh", as greycat points out is a symlink to /bin/dash. |
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| 18:33.47 | greycat | But are you aiming to change the target of /bin/sh or are you aiming to change the root account's shell? |
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| 18:34.02 | greycat | They're not exactly the same thing. |
| 18:34.14 | jelly | todd_dsm: what's "packer"? |
| 18:34.57 | todd_dsm | Understood, I'm normally a RH guy so I'm leaving it open for a debian expert to advise on the most "correct" method, if there is one. |
| 18:35.07 | pingfloyd | todd_dsm: why can't you just run chsh as root? |
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| 18:35.36 | todd_dsm | jelly: packer is the single greatest OS build/testing tool on the planet: https://www.packer.io/ |
| 18:35.42 | pingfloyd | root on my system use /bin/bash and I can't remember ever changing it |
| 18:36.11 | greycat | pingfloyd: hmm. |
| 18:36.19 | pingfloyd | todd_dsm: do you have bash installed? |
| 18:36.33 | todd_dsm | yes, both bash and dash are installed. |
| 18:37.28 | greycat | So it's *not* root's shell that's the issue? It's the target of /bin/sh because you're simply doing "sudo ./ascript" and the script's shebang is /bin/sh? |
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| 18:38.13 | todd_dsm | but, for some reason, the debian gods have symlinked /bin/sh to dash. I'd like to modify this as early as possible in the build process while altering the OS as little as possible. |
| 18:38.19 | pingfloyd | todd_dsm: what's grep root /etc/passwd return? |
| 18:38.25 | todd_dsm | greycat: essentially yes. |
| 18:38.35 | greycat | "essentially" meaning I'm wrong? |
| 18:38.45 | greycat | or that I'm right? We're still trying to figure out what you actually need. |
| 18:38.47 | pingfloyd | that symlink is normal |
| 18:38.54 | todd_dsm | pingfloyd: /bin/bash |
| 18:39.01 | jelly | "essentially" meaning the tool assumes /bin/sh -> bash and stuff breaks, probably |
| 18:39.17 | pingfloyd | sounds like it is probably shebang line of the script then |
| 18:39.18 | todd_dsm | greycat: yes - you are correct. |
| 18:39.21 | greycat | That wouldn't surprise me, especially coming from a Red Hat guy. |
| 18:39.28 | pingfloyd | todd_dsm: your system sounds setup correctly |
| 18:39.48 | greycat | The scripts are written incorrectly, so the PROPER fix is to fix the scripts, but as a workaround you can arrange for ln -sf bash /bin/sh to be executed. |
| 18:39.52 | pingfloyd | if the scrip is meant for sh, dash is what you want to be used |
| 18:40.00 | jelly | todd_dsm: preseed dash with the correct answer, I guess |
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| 18:40.56 | todd_dsm | pingfloyd: I've changed the shebang to, what I hold religious and dear: #!/usr/bin/env bash - from wooledge.org. |
| 18:40.59 | jelly | greycat: or mksh! |
| 18:41.00 | jelly | hides |
| 18:41.02 | todd_dsm | has no impact |
| 18:41.17 | greycat | todd_dsm: then we still don't know what the actual problem is. |
| 18:41.31 | todd_dsm | even being more explicit: #!/bin/bash also no impact. |
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| 18:41.49 | greycat | What is the actual COMMAND you are issuing that is failing, and what is the error? |
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| 18:42.48 | jelly | todd_dsm: hmm, ask the packer people how they create a debian image, if preseeding the answer for "dash/sh" isn't enough |
| 18:42.51 | todd_dsm | the problem is that dash doesn't seem to like some bash stuff; e.g.: cat <<EOF > filename |
| 18:43.04 | greycat | That is perfectly legitimate dash code. |
| 18:43.23 | pingfloyd | todd_dsm: whether to use #!/usr/bin/env vs #!/bin/bash really depends |
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| 18:43.49 | greycat | http://paste.debian.net/895622/ |
| 18:43.56 | pingfloyd | todd_dsm: depends on what behavior you intend (explicitly to use a particular executable, or decide from PATH). |
| 18:44.30 | greycat | Still waiting for him to show us what the problem is. |
| 18:45.01 | jelly | todd_dsm: because if dash/sh is too late, then preseed/late_command is also probably going to be too late for your purposes |
| 18:45.19 | jelly | todd_dsm: pastebin your preseed setup? |
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| 18:46.29 | todd_dsm | jelly: the pressed file: https://github.com/chef/bento/blob/master/http/debian-8/preseed.cfg |
| 18:46.35 | jelly | ,v packer |
| 18:46.36 | judd | Package: packer on amd64 -- sid: 0.10.1+dfsg-1; stretch: 0.10.1+dfsg-1 |
| 18:47.07 | todd_dsm | judd: always install packer from upstream, never from vendor packages. |
| 18:47.15 | jelly | todd_dsm: don't see dash/sh in there |
| 18:47.25 | jelly | todd_dsm: are you packer upstream? |
| 18:47.36 | jelly | or just a fan :-) |
| 18:47.57 | todd_dsm | don't understand the question jelly |
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| 18:54.35 | todd_dsm | greycat: the problem is that "some mechanism" specifies a symlink from /bin/sh to dash; not sure what that is. I'd like to use that same tool to change the symlink to point to bash. |
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| 18:55.31 | todd_dsm | I'm not just trying to solve a problem, I'm also trying to discover the OS, it's design, philosophies, etc. |
| 18:55.52 | TomTomTosch | it's probably the dash install script that does that. dpkg-reconfigure dash is a clean way. |
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| 18:56.34 | todd_dsm | TomTomTosch: ok, I'll look into it. |
| 18:57.02 | greycat | todd_dsm: /bin/sh -> dash IS THE DEFAULT in debian. What you're asking for is how to change from the default to your Red Hat-like setting of /bin/sh -> bash. You can do that by running the ln command I gave, or by setting up whatever crazy preseed thing jelly said to use. I know jack shit about preseed. |
| 18:57.13 | greycat | And you still aren't telling us what's breaking. |
| 18:57.30 | greycat | We have absolutely no idea whether changing /bin/sh will actually FIX your problem at all. |
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| 18:57.47 | TomTomTosch | i wonder what doing that would break. |
| 18:58.01 | greycat | Nothing. It's a supported configuration. |
| 18:58.07 | greycat | It'll just slow things down a tiny nit. |
| 18:58.09 | greycat | bit* |
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| 19:02.35 | todd_dsm | greycat: things like this are misinterpreted by dash: http://paste.debian.net/895629/ |
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| 19:03.23 | cloudowind | thank you |
| 19:03.32 | jelly | todd_dsm: [[ is bash specific |
| 19:03.50 | jelly | so that's not a misinterpretation at all really |
| 19:04.22 | jelly | (if a script has #!/bin/sh and uses [[, it's buggy and ought to be fixed) |
| 19:04.27 | todd_dsm | jelly: *forheadslap *eyeroll |
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| 19:07.27 | jelly | cloudowind: please stick to tech support in here from now on. Thanks in advance. |
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| 19:08.30 | todd_dsm | ok, let's back all the way up. I have tons of bash scripts that I do NOT want to rewrite, removing extra brackets, etc. For some reason dash is the default interpreter so saith, /bin/sh. I don't want to yank dash out because it very likely has some purpose I'm not aware of. I just want to configure MY systems - as early as possible - using tools designed to configure debian systems - that I'm also not aware of - to replace dash with |
| 19:08.30 | todd_dsm | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:08.37 | cloudowind | if eir was you , i would take my thank you back please... |
| 19:09.38 | todd_dsm | what is the most debian like way to accomplish this? |
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| 19:14.33 | Richard_Cavell | Hello everyone. Does anyone here have any idea of debian's compatibility with an iMac5,1? Also, what is the current graphical environment? I used to like GNOME 2 |
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| 19:17.17 | babilen | Richard_Cavell: Is that ppc ? |
| 19:17.29 | Richard_Cavell | no |
| 19:19.00 | babilen | Richard_Cavell: Are you having problems or are you investigating beforehand ? |
| 19:19.28 | Richard_Cavell | Investigating beforehand. My 2007 iMac cannot be upgraded past 10.7 Lion. So I want to continue to use the hardware with a free operating system |
| 19:19.42 | Richard_Cavell | I want it to run on the metal, and obviously be compatible with the hardware |
| 19:20.22 | babilen | I would guess that it works, but I don't have personal experience |
| 19:20.24 | jelly | todd_dsm: what happens when you add a late_command to the preseed fixing the symlink to your liking? |
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| 19:21.10 | todd_dsm | jelly: I'm looking into that now. There is already a preseed/late_command in the file. Can there be multiple preseed/late_commands? |
| 19:21.34 | jelly | probably not |
| 19:22.04 | jelly | but it's basically run inside sh -c so you can foo; bar; baz |
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| 19:22.35 | jhutchins | jelly: Trying to throw a wider net for apache. RHEL is pretty much a social channel anyway. MPM Worker. It just seems to me that I've heard of this happening before, but I can't seem to track down anything specific as to why the clients don't die. |
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| 19:23.22 | jelly | jhutchins: please restrain from asking here unless you can reproduce this behaviour on an actual Debian install |
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| 19:23.45 | todd_dsm | if I'm understanding the docs correctly, there is possibility for "echo 'dash dash/sh boolean false' | debconf-set-selections && dpkg-reconfigure -p 'high' dash". just trying to figure out what/where/how to include it. |
| 19:24.31 | jelly | todd_dsm: the whole preseed file is answers for debconf. Just add a line saying "dash dash/sh boolean false" |
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| 19:25.02 | todd_dsm | ah, then I wasn't understanding them entirely. thank you. |
| 19:25.50 | jelly | if that didn't work, it might be interesting to figure out why and what packer _actually_ does when building an image |
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| 19:27.16 | todd_dsm | jelly: as a general rule, packer seems to make every attempt to not disturb the vendor's prescribed install method - just automate it. |
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| 19:28.20 | jelly | tells me fuck all about what actual method they're using... debootstrap? vmdebootstrap? fire up a vm and boot d-i? |
| 19:29.36 | jelly | (install guide covers both d-i and debootstrap, but possibly not vmdebootstrap / live-wrapper yet) |
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| 19:35.03 | ryouma | the weather(1) program is great, but has not been working for quite some time due to a url change. i know what the fix is, and the bug report has it reported. i am just curious why these things take so long to fix. it's a few lines. i am not complaining at all and just curious. |
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| 19:36.41 | babilen | ryouma: You are referring to a very specific bug and then generalise to "these things" -- It might be possible to give some explanation why fixing this particular bug takes long, but it is impossible to say in general. |
| 19:36.56 | babilen | Many bugs get fixed within minutes or hours |
| 19:37.01 | todd_dsm | jelly: copy that |
| 19:37.23 | ryouma | babilen: i can understand that. i just have a general impression that a lot of bugs take a long time even if they are trivial. |
| 19:37.35 | ryouma | perhaps i am wrong! |
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| 19:38.21 | babilen | ryouma: The usual answer is: Because no one did the work |
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| 19:39.08 | ryouma | hmm, but in this case, people tracked it down and fixed it, but it has not been approved |
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| 19:39.15 | ryouma | (or something) |
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| 19:40.22 | jelly | likes the mdadm checkarray bug better than a mere weather bug. |
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| 19:44.28 | brabo | quick question, how do i fix pulseaudio to work without systemd? |
| 19:44.44 | agrecascino | brabo, you dont use either |
| 19:44.59 | agrecascino | https://github.com/i-rinat/apulse |
| 19:45.03 | brabo | agrecascino: i always used pulseaudio, and never used systemd |
| 19:45.06 | ryouma | purging pulseaudio was my solution |
| 19:45.09 | brabo | so idk what you try to tell me |
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| 19:45.56 | brabo | this is first new install since systemd is the default, so the first one where i installed pulse after having gotten rid of systemd |
| 19:46.23 | brabo | agrecascino: or do you mean to say pulseaudio cannot work without systemd? |
| 19:46.24 | abrotman | why would you get rid of systemd? |
| 19:46.30 | brabo | because i dont want it? |
| 19:46.38 | abrotman | ... |
| 19:46.40 | brabo | because i love sysvinit and do not want to change |
| 19:46.46 | abrotman | Okay |
| 19:46.56 | abrotman | runs away |
| 19:47.05 | brabo | i think it is fair to have preferences different from what debian decided everyone sho9uld use ;) |
| 19:47.15 | brabo | but so, is the state now that pulse requires systemd or? |
| 19:47.24 | abrotman | Sure it is, but usually those people know how to fix the problems they create |
| 19:47.33 | brabo | abrotman: i did not create this mess |
| 19:47.39 | abrotman | If you say so |
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| 19:48.03 | brabo | i did not choose to make systemd default hehe |
| 19:48.09 | abrotman | you chose to remove it |
| 19:48.19 | brabo | i chose to keep the init i love and trust |
| 19:48.27 | abrotman | I'm sure PA works with it, in fact, I use it that way, works just fine |
| 19:48.31 | fguide | brabo: but you have never told us what the pulse problem was, what do you want to fix? |
| 19:48.31 | brabo | anyway, i dont want to get into a systemd holy war here ;) |
| 19:48.37 | TomTomTosch | pulse comes with /usr/share/doc/pulseaudio/examples/pulseaudio.init.example you could check if that still works. |
| 19:48.39 | brabo | just trying to find out if it can work without systemd |
| 19:48.42 | rattking | brabo: you should probably start with the specific problem you are having or the exact error message |
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| 19:48.58 | abrotman | brabo: when you try to start PA now, using sysvinit, what is the error? or does it just not work? |
| 19:49.21 | brabo | uite simple issue, wiki says it works out of the box, pulseaudio --start fails with: |
| 19:49.24 | brabo | E: [pulseaudio] main.c: Daemon startup failed. |
| 19:49.26 | brabo | oops |
| 19:49.28 | brabo | E: [pulseaudio] main.c: Daemon startup failed. |
| 19:49.38 | abrotman | you can use paste.debian.net if there is more output |
| 19:49.39 | brabo | i do remember in the past there were some instructions on the wiki for this case |
| 19:49.39 | dumbl3d0re | How do I connect to the internet using an ethernet cable on the command line? |
| 19:49.42 | brabo | but not anymore so it seems |
| 19:49.48 | abrotman | dumbl3d0re: ifup eth0 |
| 19:49.53 | abrotman | dumbl3d0re: dhclient eth0 |
| 19:49.58 | dumbl3d0re | I have done a minimal Debian installation. |
| 19:49.58 | brabo | abrotman: ack, it was just the one line this time |
| 19:50.02 | brabo | shall i paste -v output? |
| 19:50.10 | brabo | it mentions some systemd related module failing |
| 19:50.16 | abrotman | brabo: that's pretty vague .. is there a debug mode? |
| 19:50.24 | dumbl3d0re | abrotman: Both, or one of them? |
| 19:50.24 | fguide | brabo: use pastebin to paste it, it would be useful for troubleshooting |
| 19:50.24 | brabo | hence my question, if it can work without or not ;) |
| 19:50.29 | brabo | kk gimme sec |
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| 19:51.45 | brabo | http://paste.debian.net/895632/ - pulseaudio -v output |
| 19:51.53 | brabo | i see quite some red hilighted stuff |
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| 19:52.18 | brabo | and i remember clearly in the past i had to something extra, iirc with paprefs or so.. but it has been ages since i did a new setup >< |
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| 19:53.56 | brabo | about the 'no space left on device' message, no partition comes close to 50% use so that is a tad weitrd |
| 19:53.59 | brabo | *weird |
| 19:54.50 | brabo | quite some stuff changed last years i see, lile the cgroup stuff i didn't see before |
| 19:56.38 | brabo | anyway, i am quite happy if anyone answers my question: can it work fine without systemd? i can investigate further, that's cool ;) |
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| 19:57.17 | TomTomTosch | it should care little about the init system you use. |
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| 19:58.23 | altab | hi, I want to install PCSC-LITE from http://pcsclite.alioth.debian.org/pcsclite.html and when I run ./configure, it says configure: error: install libudev-dev but I already installed libudev-dev |
| 19:58.25 | TomTomTosch | i'd try deleting ~/.config/pulse first and check if anything changes. |
| 19:58.56 | fguide | yes, it should work normally, but it seems it's trying to load a bunch of inexistent devices |
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| 19:59.35 | fguide | you can try what TomTomTosch said and perhaps completely reinstalling it if that doesn't work |
| 19:59.53 | jelly | googling for "module-systemd-login.c: Failed to create session monitor: No space left on device" suggests open fd/inotify resources exhaustion |
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| 20:01.33 | todd_dsm | jelly: so, the answer to the question was: add "d-i dash dash/sh boolean false" to the pressed file. |
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| 20:02.29 | jelly | !win todd_dsm |
| 20:02.29 | dpkg | Congratulations, todd_dsm! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 20:02.52 | unkmar | After many hours of struggle. Why don't I just download ffmpeg and compile it? Because, that is bound to be easier that trying to figure out how to get avconv to do what I want. |
| 20:02.59 | brabo | TomTomTosch: fails too: http://paste.debian.net/895646/ |
| 20:03.05 | todd_dsm | I'm still not sure if I'm going to love or hate this channel :-| |
| 20:03.15 | jelly | both, probably |
| 20:03.18 | brabo | it has just been installed, like 15 minutes ago |
| 20:03.20 | todd_dsm | :-) |
| 20:03.33 | brabo | dont see directly how unistalling/reinstalling would make it magically better :) |
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| 20:04.06 | brabo | jelly: hm lemme look for that |
| 20:04.07 | brabo | anyway |
| 20:04.19 | brabo | i was just looking to hear: yes it can work, or no it cannot |
| 20:04.26 | brabo | still no answer there |
| 20:04.52 | jelly | brabo: that usually means you're using an unusual setup |
| 20:04.53 | unkmar | brabo: I wasn't here for the description if it. |
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| 20:05.43 | jelly | dpkg, bash as /bin/sh preseed is <reply>d-i dash dash/sh boolean false |
| 20:05.43 | dpkg | jelly: okay |
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| 20:06.37 | brabo | i highly appreciate you guys trying to help, but please, yes/no, i can manage the rest myself ;) |
| 20:06.42 | greycat | I'm still confused by the example todd_dsm gave me right after I went to the meeting. It looks like something from an INTERACTIVE shell. But I don't know whose shell, where it's running, how it got launched. |
| 20:06.49 | abrotman | brabo: sorry, real work got in the way |
| 20:06.56 | brabo | abrotman: np, life happens ;) |
| 20:07.38 | fguide | brabo: so can't you manage to discover it by yourself/ |
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| 20:10.05 | greycat | Also, the command that todd_dsm showed looks quite wrong. One instance of $backupDir and one instance of backupDir without the $. |
| 20:10.39 | greycat | So if that's part of his whatever-the-hell-a-packer-is automation thingamajig then it's probably a bug. |
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| 20:10.57 | brabo | fguide: not with the infos i find on the debian wiki no ;) |
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| 20:16.30 | TomTomTosch | brabo: huh, it doesn't recreate that directory? |
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| 20:17.58 | brabo | TomTomTosch: yeah it did recreate it |
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| 20:18.50 | DammitJim | In a virtual environment... how do you guys determine the size of the hard drives you provision? |
| 20:19.11 | DammitJim | I say virtual environment because it is "easier" to add virtual disks to a VM (with logical volumes) |
| 20:19.14 | TomTomTosch | brabo: and it keeps complaining about the missing cookie now? |
| 20:20.40 | brabo | TomTomTosch: no, if now i start it it has same as before, it just says daemon startup failed (and since nothing really has changed, surely the same errors would show in -v output) |
| 20:21.13 | brabo | anyway, i wanted a simple answer to a simple question, not to have a long talk here |
| 20:21.23 | TomTomTosch | ah, that's better. |
| 20:21.38 | brabo | and yes/no was too hard it seems, so, laters! |
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| 20:22.00 | TomTomTosch | but we already said "yes" multiple times, didn't we? |
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| 20:22.40 | DammitJim | btw, I am thick provisioning the hard drives |
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| 20:38.24 | altab | hi, I want to install PCSC-LITE from http://pcsclite.alioth.debian.org/pcsclite.html and when I run ./configure, it says configure: error: install libudev-dev but I already installed libudev-dev |
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| 20:40.18 | todd_dsm | greycat: there's nothing wrong with Packer; if you're not using it then you're working harder than you have to. Dash just doesn't know what to do with Bash code; updated: http://paste.debian.net/895648/ |
| 20:40.38 | greycat | todd_dsm: WHY ARE YOU EXPLICITY INVOKING DASH |
| 20:40.51 | greycat | Yes, I **KNOW** that [[ is illegal in dash! DUH! |
| 20:41.01 | greycat | The question is WHAT PART OF YOUR JURY-RIG SETUP IS RUNNING DASH |
| 20:41.03 | RoyK | greycat: why do you shout? |
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| 20:41.32 | fguide | altab: do you have pkg-config installed/ |
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| 20:41.43 | fiduche | ahh it's a wonderful day |
| 20:41.54 | altab | fguide, nope |
| 20:42.25 | altab | well fguide thanks a lot, it solved my problem |
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| 20:42.48 | fguide | altab: I recall having a similar error with another lib and installing pkg-config solved it |
| 20:42.52 | todd_dsm | greycat: it's on a default Debian install; marked "essential" https://packages.debian.org/jessie/shells/dash |
| 20:43.04 | todd_dsm | it's just there |
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| 20:43.09 | greycat | My god, you are NOT answering my question. |
| 20:43.29 | fguide | altab: great |
| 20:43.42 | greycat | Why are you launching an INTERACTIVE shell and then from inside that shell launching dash EXPLICITLY and then demonstrating that a bashism fails in dash when I *KNOW* how dash works. |
| 20:43.44 | todd_dsm | The answer is longer than you'd probably like - but here goes: |
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| 20:44.12 | greycat | You are supposed to be figuring out what part of your Packer setup is invoking dash, when root's shell is bash, and when your shell scripts all have #!/usr/bin/env bash |
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| 20:46.19 | greycat | At this point I'm just guessing it's "the same as docker or ansible" in other words a good reason for me to /ignore the person who asks about it in #bash, because that happens a lot. |
| 20:46.46 | justwannainstall | hey all - is there a Debain Security or package/mirror channel to speak with a dev? Debian security mirrors have been broken for 4 days now and new isntalls aren't working |
| 20:46.46 | todd_dsm | phase 1) packer installs the OS per the vendor's prescribed method; phase 2) the automation hooks allow you to run scripts; those scripts are run by sudo; phase 3) the net result of install + user automation is tar'd up in a file called a "box". There is NO user intervention in any of these steps. it makes this problem kind of difficult to deal with. |
| 20:46.52 | justwannainstall | http://mirror.debian.org/status.html |
| 20:47.17 | greycat | Which phase runs your configured commands under dash? |
| 20:47.29 | todd_dsm | greycat: phase 2 |
| 20:47.45 | greycat | So you wrote a script using bashisms that you feed directly into packerdockeransible. |
| 20:48.07 | justwannainstall | New installs of debian or any other distro that relies on ftp.debian.org fails when it tries to grab security updates during the install |
| 20:48.18 | greycat | And packerdockeransible internally runs /bin/sh on the target-box to interpret your script, and you have no control over that? |
| 20:48.20 | justwannainstall | Its a global problem affecting downstream |
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| 20:49.03 | todd_dsm | where I run: ps -p "$$" and it comes back 'sh' |
| 20:49.09 | fguide | justwannainstall: as a workaround you can change it to ftp.us.debian.org |
| 20:49.11 | todd_dsm | for root |
| 20:49.14 | fguide | it worked for me yesterday |
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| 20:49.41 | greycat | So you don't KNOW how ansiblepackerdocker interprets the script that you wrote, and you don't know how to find out, and yet you used bashisms anyway, and you expected this would work because you come from Red Hat. |
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| 20:49.55 | todd_dsm | I've changed the shebang multiple times and it had no effect. |
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| 20:51.07 | todd_dsm | OR, one could argue that it might be kind of a dumb idea to default to anything other than Bash on a Linux system. |
| 20:51.08 | greycat | If dockeransiblepacker launches /bin/sh to interpret your script then you should stick to POSIX sh syntax. |
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| 20:51.32 | greycat | You could ask the packeransibledocker channel how to do this. |
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| 20:52.27 | todd_dsm | greycat: I'm not going back to the 70's for anyone; life is too short. How about we just standardize on a language and be F(*&^g done with it? |
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| 20:52.37 | greycat | We did. It's called POSIX. |
| 20:52.41 | greycat | You chose to ignore that. |
| 20:52.42 | todd_dsm | this is a science project - not an art project. |
| 20:52.52 | justwannainstall | @fguide - this is affecting mirrors as well. I contacted the person who maitains MITs debian mirror and he confirmed that debian mirrors are broken |
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| 20:53.29 | justwannainstall | Is there a propoer place or person to report this too? Its been 4 days and I can't even tell if they are aware of the problem, let alone working to fix it |
| 20:53.33 | fguide | justwannainstall: yes, but some of them are still working, and I'm pretty sure they are working to solve it |
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| 20:54.31 | fguide | justwannainstall: http://debian.usu.edu/debian/ is finely working here |
| 20:54.34 | justwannainstall | ok, bc secuirty updates are not reaching raspbian, kali etc |
| 20:54.44 | todd_dsm | greycat: dude, I'm not going to argue this any further. I respect you - in fact I've learned the few useful things in my tool belt from your wiki and IRC channel. But, after having experimented with a few different OSs, this has only happened with Debian. I assume Ubuntu as well but haven't tested it yet. |
| 20:54.45 | justwannainstall | HTTP mirros are working fine |
| 20:54.52 | justwannainstall | its the ftp mirros |
| 20:55.04 | greycat | Yes, Ubuntu and Debian both use an sh as /bin/sh instead of bash as sh. |
| 20:55.08 | justwannainstall | http://mirror.debian.org/status.html <-- failure logs are on this site |
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| 20:55.31 | fguide | justwannainstall: ftp.mx.debian.org is fine |
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| 20:55.40 | greycat | I suggest you take this issue to the packer support channel and ask them how to make packer launch bash instead of sh on the target system. |
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| 20:57.36 | abrotman | justwannainstall: the mirror I'm hitting is just fine .. |
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| 20:58.01 | todd_dsm | Uhhh!, this only happens in Debian - so far. |
| 20:58.13 | todd_dsm | has nothing to do with Packer. |
| 20:58.44 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 20:59.29 | justwannainstall | abrotman - your getting security updates? no errors, or bad key signing errors? and do you have a custom sources list? |
| 20:59.34 | greycat | knew it would come to that as soon as it was revealed that it's just another Docker question in light makeup |
| 20:59.45 | justwannainstall | Its not working on new installs |
| 20:59.53 | todd_dsm | * eyeroll |
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| 21:02.45 | todd_dsm | greycat: dude, nothing else makes OS building and testing go as fast or as measurable. Seriously, it would take you 15 minutes to run a simple job and fall in LOVE with it. the future isn't all bad. |
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| 21:03.38 | fguide | justwannainstall: not sure about new installs, I just tested the ftp for MX and it works |
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| 21:04.49 | fguide | justwannainstall: anyways, you can just mail them at mirrors@debian.org |
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| 21:08.03 | justwannainstall | Thanks @fguide - I will try that |
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| 21:13.48 | abrotman | justwannainstall: tha'ts correct .. seems like a problem on your end |
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| 21:28.18 | ThiagoCMC | Anyone using Ansible with Debian and systemd ? |
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| 21:30.05 | stew | ThiagoCMC: certainly there are tons of poeople. just ask your real question |
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| 21:31.23 | ThiagoCMC | On Debian / Ubuntu LTS, Ansible's "- service: name=dpdk enabled=yes", does nothing, service does not become enabled! `systemctl status dpdk` show its disabled. |
| 21:32.07 | ThiagoCMC | Then, I have to run via "shell:" module "systemctl enable dpdk", instead of "- service: name=dpdk enabled=yes", then, it works. |
| 21:32.40 | fguide | ThiagoCMC: https://github.com/ansible/ansible-modules-core/issues/3764 |
| 21:32.54 | unborn | wonders from when ubuntu uses systemd |
| 21:33.12 | RoyK | 15.10 |
| 21:33.52 | ThiagoCMC | Mmm... Thanks fguide! |
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| 21:37.21 | labelcd6 | how do I see if my wireless usb adapter is interfacing with my computer? |
| 21:37.56 | fguide | labelcd6: lsusb |
| 21:38.30 | labelcd6 | command not found |
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| 21:40.08 | greycat | it's in the usbutils package |
| 21:40.32 | fguide | ^ |
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| 22:15.46 | altab | fguide, I have the same error with pkg-config installed |
| 22:15.58 | altab | "configure: error: libusb.h not found, install libusb or use ./configure LIBUSB_CFLAGS=..." |
| 22:16.33 | greycat | wooledg@wooledg:~$ apt-cache search --names-only -- libusb -dev |
| 22:16.37 | greycat | libusb-dev - userspace USB programming library development files |
| 22:16.49 | greycat | (and several other hits, but that one looks like the most probable) |
| 22:17.33 | altab | already installed |
| 22:17.41 | altab | I think it's libusb1-0 |
| 22:17.54 | greycat | You will need a -dev package to get the headers it's complaining about. |
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| 22:18.06 | greycat | ,file libusb.h |
| 22:18.06 | altab | I already had the *-dev |
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| 22:18.10 | judd | Search for libusb.h in jessie/amd64: libusb-1.0-0-dev: usr/include/libusb-1.0/libusb.h; apcupsd-doc: usr/share/doc/apcupsd/examples/libusb.h |
| 22:18.14 | altab | I installed libusb1-0 and now it's work :d |
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| 22:18.18 | greycat | OK, maybe it's libusb-1.0-0-dev |
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| 23:22.52 | squarecircle | ohai, I'm experiencing trouble with some h265 HEVC2 video files |
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| 23:24.11 | squarecircle | I can't play them with vlc 2.2.4 or mplayer2 in Version 2.0.6 or something. Now I read that mplayer2 is deserted since 2012 and the mplayer project which currently has the version 1.3 is the current project |
| 23:25.14 | squarecircle | I'm now confused. Why does Debian ships with some media player from 2012 and does not offer the current project, which is available to Ubuntu and other distributions and how do I get it onto my system? |
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| 23:31.05 | missmbob | squarecircle: the real winner to come out of mplayer/mplayer2 is mpv. which debian does have. |
| 23:31.28 | missmbob | !tell testingKali about kali |
| 23:32.08 | squarecircle | missmbob: well this mpv currently has problems parsing the data and throws a lot of parsing errors |
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| 23:32.32 | squarecircle | missmbob: which leaves me with a lot of unwatcheable data junk :D |
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| 23:32.38 | missmbob | squarecircle: which mpv version? |
| 23:33.26 | squarecircle | 0.6.2 |
| 23:33.36 | squarecircle | missmbob: ^ |
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| 23:33.42 | missmbob | squarecircle: yeah that version stinks a little. i backported the latest 0.21.0 for jessie if you're interested in trying it. |
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| 23:34.15 | squarecircle | missmbob: well I try to remember how to work with backports :D |
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| 23:34.31 | missmbob | squarecircle: https://dipconsultants.com/debian/jessie/?dir=mpv/binaries you just download the deb files from there and dpkg -i |
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| 23:35.05 | squarecircle | sudo apt-get install -t backports-jessie mpv |
| 23:35.06 | squarecircle | ? |
| 23:35.16 | missmbob | no. there is none in jessie-backports |
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| 23:35.56 | squarecircle | missmbob: so its some homebrewed deb package? |
| 23:35.58 | squarecircle | ^^ |
| 23:36.06 | missmbob | yes. i said i backported it. |
| 23:36.31 | edju | All of a sudden, kmail won't send. It does receive. No eror messages. I have no idea where to look. I looked on the web but found nothing. Any advice, pointers etc. appreciated. |
| 23:36.50 | doflamingo | i have problem too with h.265 and hevc.. video not displaying.. only sounds |
| 23:36.57 | doflamingo | vlc |
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| 23:37.55 | missmbob | doflamingo: does this video play? there's no sound but that doesnt matter since you're talking x265 video. https://s3.amazonaws.com/x265.org/video/Tears_400_x265.mp4 |
| 23:37.57 | squarecircle | missmbob: the four deb packages are not enough |
| 23:38.06 | sl4v3 | doflamingo: probably your hardware decoder settings. your proc may not support an expected instruction. |
| 23:38.20 | squarecircle | dpkg needs some five more libraries |
| 23:38.21 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, squarecircle |
| 23:38.21 | missmbob | squarecircle: i dont know what your code words mean |
| 23:38.24 | sl4v3 | doflamingo: run vlc from a terminal and see what gets printed out. |
| 23:38.37 | missmbob | squarecircle: which you can get the rest from -t jessie-backports |
| 23:38.48 | missmbob | sudo apt-get -f install -t jessie-backports |
| 23:38.49 | squarecircle | missmbob: oh thanks |
| 23:39.02 | squarecircle | $ /dev/brain |
| 23:39.02 | squarecircle | bash: /dev/brain: No such file or directory |
| 23:39.28 | doflamingo | missmbob let me try |
| 23:40.25 | doflamingo | sl4v3 video somevideo.mkv? |
| 23:40.59 | doflamingo | $ vlc somevideo.mkv? |
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| 23:41.23 | missmbob | i linked you to an mp4 but whatever |
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| 23:44.08 | squarecircle | missmbob: ok, now I just killed my whole system |
| 23:44.40 | squarecircle | missmbob: sometimes I just hate doing experimental things on my Debian |
| 23:44.56 | missmbob | squarecircle: i still dont speak your code. did it catch flames? ssb isn't experimental |
| 23:44.59 | missmbob | !ssb |
| 23:44.59 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 23:45.40 | squarecircle | missmbob: well I install libass5 from the backports and its version is still to low for libmpv |
| 23:45.52 | squarecircle | then I try to remove it and try again which results in: |
| 23:46.10 | missmbob | squarecircle: i have that too https://dipconsultants.com/debian/jessie/?dir=libass/binaries |
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| 23:46.30 | doflamingo | missmbob the video only show few frame than stop playing frame.. in MPPlayer works but slow :D my hardware? |
| 23:46.47 | squarecircle | missmbob: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23477932/ |
| 23:47.10 | missmbob | squarecircle: yeah dont do that. download libass from above and dpkg -i it |
| 23:48.20 | squarecircle | missmbob: on your dipconsultants webpage is no libass5 deb package |
| 23:48.43 | missmbob | squarecircle: i just linked you to it...like right above |
| 23:49.02 | missmbob | squarecircle: here it is again: https://dipconsultants.com/debian/jessie/?dir=libass/binaries |
| 23:49.10 | squarecircle | missmbob: nevermind, I found it somewhere up the directory tree |
| 23:49.14 | squarecircle | missmbob: I'm stupid |
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| 23:51.07 | doflamingo | missmbob your video playing few frame then stopped.. in vlc.. it works in MPPlayer but slow |
| 23:52.04 | missmbob | doflamingo: do you use stuff from deb-multimedia? |
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| 23:52.50 | squarecircle | missmbob: whoop whoop |
| 23:52.52 | doflamingo | missmbob no |
| 23:52.57 | squarecircle | missmbob: thanks a lot |
| 23:53.00 | missmbob | squarecircle: we win?? yay :) |
| 23:53.03 | squarecircle | missmbob: video works |
| 23:53.16 | squarecircle | missmbob: I just have to get the sound working |
| 23:53.19 | squarecircle | then I'm happy |
| 23:53.20 | squarecircle | :) |
| 23:53.37 | missmbob | try pavucontrol |
| 23:53.47 | squarecircle | missmbob: did I tell you that I'm stupid? |
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| 23:54.16 | missmbob | nah. it can be confusing |
| 23:55.01 | squarecircle | missmbob: guess which button was brightly red ? |
| 23:55.05 | squarecircle | missmbob: http://notebooks.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Lenovo-ThinkPad-X220-18-600x450.jpg |
| 23:55.18 | missmbob | nice :P |
| 23:55.55 | squarecircle | missmbob: nah |
| 23:55.57 | Rubin | is ifup <interface> not the right way to bring an interface up anymore? |
| 23:56.25 | squarecircle | missmbob: $ cat /proc/intelligence |
| 23:56.27 | squarecircle | cat: /proc/intelligence: No such file or director |
| 23:56.47 | squarecircle | missmbob: well see I'm too stupid to paste things |
| 23:56.54 | squarecircle | missmbob: thanks a lot for your help |
| 23:57.03 | squarecircle | I'm going to bed :) |
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| 23:57.09 | missmbob | squarecircle: you're welcome |
