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| 00:06.10 | iKarith | One wonders how Red Hat, interested mostly in enterprise stability, ever got within 10 astronomical units of systemd. *sigh* |
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| 00:07.13 | gry | redhat were the ones who pushed it into debian, actually; I don't complain because I switched to upstart just fine and I'm happy with it |
| 00:07.37 | gry | if you're deploying debian anywhere whatsoever, you're free to make the same switch and deploy it without systemd, if you prefer |
| 00:07.51 | gry | there's nothing overwhelmingly major about it being shipped by default |
| 00:07.58 | dvs | or use systemd-shim to stick with sysv |
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| 00:08.33 | iKarith | Not so easy when you're not just using it. |
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| 00:08.46 | PryMar56 | iKarith, RH masks maybe one or two system units. Debian masks scores |
| 00:08.58 | PryMar56 | systemd units |
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| 00:09.32 | PryMar56 | so, when using systemd on RH, its more `pure` |
| 00:10.39 | iKarith | My issue is that fundamental things like booting single-user don't work anymore, and the instructions for how to work with a system to fix this under systemd are obsolete and out of date. |
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| 00:11.17 | iKarith | And in fact this is one of the boasts: systemd is not complete and always changing. |
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| 00:12.22 | awal1 | gry, upstart became every day more obsolete. ubuntu have switched to systemd |
| 00:12.51 | gry | awal1: I'm sure the old init systems will be maintained for a while |
| 00:13.13 | iKarith | I haven't even found a procedure for remounting / ro (you can't do it by dropping down to the "equivalent" of runlevel 1) |
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| 00:14.43 | iKarith | The thing is just too complex, too large, too poorly understood, too poorly documented, and too fond of changes to be evolved on a day to day basis. Some structure and forethought is necessary here. |
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| 00:15.26 | gry | iKarith: due to lack of knowledge, i refuse to comment; if you have specific questions, you can ask them at #systemd at chat.freenode.net |
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| 00:16.16 | iKarith | I've got no problem with a Mac-like init replacement (and let's be honest, that's what systemd is whether RH admits that or not.) The difference is that Apple's attempt at replacing init has a defined, static interface, it has well-established boundaries, it isn't looking to grow to encompass everything, and changes to it are designed to fix edge cases rather than change functionality. |
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| 00:18.33 | iKarith | I know/understand/use the Mac's system. I'm not 100% sure it's an optimal solution (and it wouldn't be anywhere that plist management was not part of libc), but it does work, is understandable, and yes you can actually boot a system without it, or could until it became so solid you wouldn't want to. :) |
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| 00:20.30 | iKarith | Anyway, I'm done ranting for the moment. :P I just lost a system that couldn't be booted single-user (repeated the give root passwd message 3 times and accepted no input) because an optional fuse filesystem didn't mount for netatalk. |
| 00:20.46 | iKarith | Had to restore that system from backup. |
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| 00:24.50 | iKarith | No actually, one more complaint: Process exited with an error code (which I, the almighty systemd, am not going to tell you. Go run a program that you may not be able to run to parse a binary logfile to maybe find out what the numeric error code was.) |
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| 01:02.27 | squigz | I'm getting a segfault on startx. log is at https://ptpb.pw/n-eD |
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| 01:06.53 | johnkeates | squigz: you are using an unsupported kernel/x combo |
| 01:07.12 | squigz | That sounds fun to fix |
| 01:07.29 | johnkeates | either get the older stable kernel, or a newer not-so-stable X |
| 01:07.56 | johnkeates | also, if you run ldd on X you should see what libs it expects, but as far as I can see you have them |
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| 01:08.32 | squigz | Well what had happened was I was running the fglrx driver, but I couldn't configure my VGA screen with xrandr. so I removed the fglrx driver, and installed the backports version of libg1-mesa-dri as per missmbob's advice |
| 01:08.36 | squigz | now, segfault |
| 01:08.48 | johnkeates | it probably has inter-dependency issues |
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| 01:09.00 | johnkeates | you'd need a complete backported X system, kernel, libs etc. |
| 01:09.06 | johnkeates | maybe |
| 01:09.06 | squigz | :( |
| 01:09.08 | missmbob | no |
| 01:09.18 | johnkeates | maybe run with stretch :p |
| 01:09.26 | johnkeates | since you won't be stable anyway |
| 01:09.36 | johnkeates | and it's due for a freeze/bughunt in a few months anyway |
| 01:10.05 | squigz | I only recently switched to Debian. Which one is stretch? |
| 01:10.11 | missmbob | squigz: know what...for shits, try apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu -t jessie-backports |
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| 01:10.26 | missmbob | squigz: stretch is testing right now. it'll be the next debian release |
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| 01:10.52 | squigz | Ah |
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| 01:11.03 | squigz | missmbob: installed that. reboot? |
| 01:11.07 | missmbob | squigz: yeah |
| 01:11.09 | squigz | brb |
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| 01:13.17 | squigz | that didn't help :P |
| 01:13.23 | missmbob | damn |
| 01:13.41 | squigz | I thought sid was testing? |
| 01:13.53 | missmbob | no. sid is unstable |
| 01:13.56 | squigz | Ah |
| 01:14.04 | squigz | jessie is stable, right? |
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| 01:14.07 | missmbob | yes |
| 01:14.17 | squigz | well I may as well upgrade to something newer |
| 01:14.30 | missmbob | !jessie->stretch |
| 01:14.34 | squigz | I'm kind of stuck in a tty though :P could someone link me to the netinst ISO for Debian stretch? |
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| 01:14.45 | squigz | missmbob: I'd rather just reinstall |
| 01:14.48 | squigz | This is a brand new installation anyway |
| 01:15.06 | missmbob | squigz: if you want try the alpha 8 stretch installer |
| 01:15.25 | missmbob | squigz: https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 01:15.28 | troy_16bit | Hey, just curious is Debian 6.1 still getting security updates? I found an ancient CD with it on there, just curious if it could still be used.... |
| 01:15.44 | squigz | missmbob: I'm stuck in a GUI-less environment |
| 01:15.46 | squigz | I can't open that |
| 01:16.00 | redrabbit | yes you can. if you like pain |
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| 01:16.17 | c-c | Debian needs a USB-device -securing confirmation on-usb-connect. |
| 01:16.23 | c-c | Or is there such a facility? |
| 01:16.28 | c-c | Related: Poisontap |
| 01:16.36 | redrabbit | does anybody uses hostapd here ? |
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| 01:19.00 | squigz | is updating from jessie to stretch fairly painless? |
| 01:19.29 | missmbob | most of the time |
| 01:19.48 | squigz | Good. I have a jessie USB I can install from, then I'll just update to stretch |
| 01:20.03 | missmbob | then you'll want to go here: |
| 01:20.06 | missmbob | !debian-next |
| 01:20.06 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 01:20.25 | squigz | Why is that one on OFTC? o.O |
| 01:20.31 | missmbob | !oftc move |
| 01:20.31 | dpkg | irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00012.html. Operators and bots (see <fact sharing>) will remain on both networks for the foreseeable future; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on Freenode. Questions? Ask in #debian on one or other network. See also http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/04/msg00333.html |
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| 01:20.56 | squigz | I see |
| 01:21.04 | squigz | Are you in both then, missmbob? |
| 01:21.09 | missmbob | usually |
| 01:21.27 | squigz | Good. I'm hoping not to rrun into anymore issues, but if I do, I'll blame you over in #debian-next |
| 01:22.05 | missmbob | i wasnt the one that suggested stretch ;) but i dont know how to fix your problem right now |
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| 01:23.11 | petn-randall | troy_16bit: squeeze doesn't get any security support anymore. |
| 01:23.12 | squigz | yeah I'm having nothing but issues with the graphics drivers |
| 01:23.16 | squigz | I shouldn't have started messing with them |
| 01:23.27 | petn-randall | squigz: Didn't the FOSS drivers work for you? |
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| 01:23.36 | squigz | They have |
| 01:24.16 | petn-randall | squigz: Then why not use them? |
| 01:24.28 | zykotick9 | trying to <SSB> mame to jessie - during "apt-get -b source mame" errors out with http://paste.debian.net/897123/ i noticed in judd's b |
| 01:24.30 | squigz | long story, but basically: started with jessie + fglrx, went to sid, broke it, reinstalled jessie + OSS, VGA display wasn't working, installed fglrx, and everything went downhilll from there |
| 01:24.30 | missmbob | he is. segfaulting |
| 01:24.31 | zykotick9 | ackport output it mentions ".. all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie, archignore, jessie-backports." <- what is archignore? |
| 01:24.42 | missmbob | haha. great story ;) |
| 01:25.09 | squigz | updating to sid was my mistake |
| 01:25.15 | iKarith | Huh, I'd missed that i.d.o had actually moved to OFTC, given that it happened in 2006 while I was busy being a grad student. Been centuries since I had need to be in #d-d and I knew there were channels on both networks. Just totally missed the detail that the "move" was in any way official. |
| 01:25.28 | missmbob | squigz: so why not just stick with jessie after you reinstall? |
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| 01:26.26 | squigz | missmbob: Because I broke jessie + fglrx, and jessie + OSS won't allow me to use my third monitor for some reason |
| 01:26.38 | squigz | missmbob: sid + OSS was working fine |
| 01:26.42 | missmbob | best of luck with that fuckaroo |
| 01:26.43 | squigz | I'm hoping stretch will be fine too |
| 01:26.56 | squigz | missmbob: thanks :P |
| 01:26.58 | squigz | linux++ |
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| 01:58.09 | monlith___ | Hey |
| 01:58.31 | monlith___ | Installed lxde on base debian (no de) |
| 01:58.45 | monlith___ | Embarrasingly, can't manage to start it |
| 01:58.56 | monlith___ | I know I need to get x11 and lightdm running |
| 01:59.01 | monlith___ | But am having difficulty |
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| 03:38.15 | goldbox | hey |
| 03:38.26 | goldbox | hey guys |
| 03:38.44 | goldbox | ass hole debian:( |
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| 04:04.08 | Jen909 | Hi folks. |
| 04:04.29 | Jen909 | If I get a QHD monitor is my CPU going to be under more stress (no gaming)? |
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| 04:55.03 | coogle | Hello all, can someone help me with a sudoers issue I'm having trying to restart lightdm from Apache / www-data user? |
| 04:55.55 | SporkWitch | that seems non-desirable... you want to be able to restart the display manager from the web? O.o |
| 04:56.02 | coogle | I have a shell script that executes service lightdm restart, I've added that to sudoers for www-data, but for the life of me when I try to run it it comes back "Access Denied" |
| 04:57.00 | coogle | SporkWitch: Raspberry Pi project ;) To be more specific I want to restart DM when Alexa gets a voice command to do so because sometimes chromium crashes and it's easiest just to bounce the entire DM when that happens |
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| 04:58.04 | SporkWitch | ugghh, pi >_< so many issues; can you pastebin the relevant lines from sudoers? |
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| 04:59.15 | coogle | SporkWitch: no need... www-data ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /usr/local/bin/restart-lightdm.sh |
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| 04:59.52 | SporkWitch | silly question, but is the script executable? :) |
| 05:00.02 | coogle | indeed. :) |
| 05:00.38 | coogle | the script just calls /usr/sbin/service lightdm restart |
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| 05:08.57 | odigem | hi |
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| 05:12.26 | odigem | i want install linux-headers but my version missed in repo. my kernel version 4.7.0-1-amd64 |
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| 05:13.54 | nbags | odigem: how did you install that version? |
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| 05:14.59 | odigem | nbags: i dont install it, i install debian yesterday |
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| 05:15.34 | nbags | odigem: i dont think thats the version in debian is it? |
| 05:15.42 | odigem | 8 jessie |
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| 05:16.14 | Rortech | Anyone here |
| 05:16.28 | Rusty1_ | what if there was? |
| 05:17.00 | Rortech | lol was trying to get this irc all set up and have not been able to chat |
| 05:17.13 | Rortech | so I guess... testing |
| 05:17.25 | missmbob | there used to be in jessie-backports. now it got upgraded to 4.8 |
| 05:17.52 | missmbob | so basically you need apt-get update && apt-get install linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64 -t jessie-backports |
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| 05:18.13 | missmbob | then reboot into the new kernel |
| 05:18.52 | Rortech | Just switched to Debian today so getting everything set up |
| 05:19.39 | missmbob | odigem: paste.debian.net the output of lsb_release -a |
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| 05:28.46 | Rortech | Kind of new to the whole irc thing. why do some channels say 404 cannot send to channel |
| 05:30.07 | bibble | some channels require you to be voiced, before you can speak |
| 05:30.25 | Rortech | how do you get voiced |
| 05:30.35 | bibble | normally have to pm some bot in the channel |
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| 05:30.50 | missmbob | a lot of channels just require you to use a registered nick |
| 05:31.05 | missmbob | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:31.09 | Rortech | ok thanks.. the linux chan won't let me send |
| 05:31.18 | missmbob | register and you'll be fine :P |
| 05:31.32 | Rortech | thank you |
| 05:31.40 | bibble | yeah, definitely register like missmbob is saying for #linux |
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| 05:35.12 | odigem | missmbob: Value «jessie» is unacceptable for the APT :: Default-Release, since the issue is not available in the sources |
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| 05:37.33 | missmbob | odigem: paste.debian.net your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:37.53 | missmbob | odigem: you never did pastebin the last thing i asked you for, either. lsb_release -a |
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| 05:41.43 | odigem | missmbob: http://dpaste.com/165TKYS |
| 05:42.15 | missmbob | odigem: yeah you have it all wrong. you only have sources for the main repo and nothing for jessie-updates |
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| 05:42.19 | missmbob | !jessie sources.list |
| 05:42.19 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 05:42.42 | missmbob | you need those 3 lines and then add the jessie-backports line |
| 05:43.09 | missmbob | then apt-get update |
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| 05:44.49 | eumel | !jessie firmware-linux-amd64 |
| 05:45.38 | missmbob | eumel: you probably want firmware-linux-nonfree firmware-linux-free and/or firmware-misc-nonfree |
| 05:45.47 | missmbob | or are you looking for cpu microcode? |
| 05:47.27 | eumel | !firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 05:47.50 | missmbob | eumel: not everything has a factoid. you can do apt-cache show firmware-linux-nonfree in terminal for information |
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| 05:48.05 | missmbob | you need to add non-free to your repos |
| 05:48.06 | missmbob | !non-free |
| 05:48.06 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 05:48.44 | eumel | i wanted to know which kernel for amd64 is currently available in backports / sid, thought there could be a factoid for it |
| 05:48.50 | eumel | please ignore that |
| 05:49.13 | eumel | thanks for you help |
| 05:49.22 | missmbob | !kernels |
| 05:49.25 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, mainline: 4.9-rc6, stable 4.8: 4.8.9, stable 4.7: 4.7.10 (EOL), longterm 4.4: 4.4.33, longterm 4.1: 4.1.35, longterm 3.18: 3.18.44, longterm 3.16: 3.16.39, longterm 3.12: 3.12.67, longterm 3.10: 3.10.104, longterm 3.4: 3.4.113, longterm 3.2: 3.2.84, linux-next: next-20161117 |
| 05:49.33 | eumel | ah nice! |
| 05:49.40 | odigem | missmbob: where must be jessie-backports ? |
| 05:50.08 | missmbob | odigem: you already have a jessie-backports in there. keep that line. |
| 05:50.12 | odigem | i got warnings about mistake in sources.list |
| 05:50.19 | missmbob | odigem: paste it again |
| 05:50.27 | odigem | debian have wget paste? |
| 05:50.39 | missmbob | !pastebinit |
| 05:50.40 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" or configure pastebinit to use something other than pastebin.com. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
| 05:51.01 | eumel | odigem: https://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
| 05:51.17 | eumel | really nice website for generating sources.list files |
| 05:51.24 | missmbob | too bad judd is offline |
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| 05:52.53 | odigem | missmbob: http://dpaste.com/2F6K40F |
| 05:53.16 | Screamslash | im running my display and audio through hdmi like i always have and i restarted today and the audio is muted how do i fix this? |
| 05:53.40 | eumel | Screamslash: open alsamixer in terminal and check the volume there! |
| 05:54.04 | Screamslash | its not muted |
| 05:54.31 | missmbob | odigem: delete everything you have. make it look exactly like this. https://paste.debian.net/897176/ |
| 05:55.01 | Screamslash | this is driving me insane |
| 05:55.07 | Screamslash | it was working fine earlier all i did was restart my pc |
| 05:55.21 | missmbob | Screamslash: running pavucontrol could help |
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| 05:55.58 | Screamslash | command not found |
| 05:56.31 | missmbob | Screamslash: does pgrep pulseaudio output a number? |
| 05:56.56 | Screamslash | yes |
| 05:56.57 | Screamslash | ~$ pgrep pulseaudio |
| 05:56.58 | Screamslash | 30358 |
| 05:56.58 | missmbob | then sudo apt-get install pavucontrol |
| 05:57.41 | Screamslash | then what |
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| 05:57.48 | missmbob | then you should be able to run pavucontrol |
| 06:00.17 | Screamslash | ok i got pavucontrol to run |
| 06:00.18 | Screamslash | now what |
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| 06:00.39 | missmbob | check for the correct levels/mute/not mute and proper output device, etc. look and play around |
| 06:00.48 | missmbob | have something playing noise in the background |
| 06:01.19 | Screamslash | nothing is muted |
| 06:02.09 | Screamslash | it sayd HDMI(UNPLUGGED) |
| 06:02.16 | missmbob | that's a problem :P |
| 06:02.24 | Screamslash | how is that possible if im running the display through the hdmi right now |
| 06:02.43 | missmbob | not sure. did you change kernels or anything? you said it was working, right? |
| 06:02.47 | Screamslash | yes |
| 06:02.51 | missmbob | yes to what? |
| 06:02.54 | Screamslash | all i did was log in and log out |
| 06:03.01 | Screamslash | it was all working |
| 06:03.03 | missmbob | have you tried rebooting? |
| 06:03.03 | Screamslash | i didnt change anything |
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| 06:08.27 | odigem | missmbob: target Translations configured few times |
| 06:09.26 | ghormoon | hi, I've got interestingly broken flashdisk, previosly there was efi bootable iso DDed to it, so I tried DDing zeros to it to "fix" (i.e. delete) bad partiton table (grparted complains it is in 512byte blocks but device is 2048), now /dev/sda syas it's 10MB and even dding zeros to it doesn't destroy /dev/sda1 ... what am I missing? |
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| 06:12.53 | odigem | missmbob: i got same error "not have in sources: |
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| 06:14.52 | missmbob | odigem: paste your sources again |
| 06:15.23 | odigem | missmbob: http://dpaste.com/360EEVG |
| 06:15.24 | missmbob | ghormoon: is anything open that's keeping it used? gparted? |
| 06:15.53 | missmbob | odigem: jesus no. what part of me saying "delete everything you have and replace it with this" didn't you understand? |
| 06:16.10 | missmbob | odigem: *exactly* like this. https://paste.debian.net/897176/ |
| 06:16.12 | odigem | missmbob: i copy your paste |
| 06:16.22 | missmbob | odigem: look at what i just pasted and tell me that's the same thing |
| 06:16.23 | odigem | odigem: try upgrade |
| 06:16.31 | odigem | get error |
| 06:16.40 | odigem | add jessie-backport to all line |
| 06:16.41 | missmbob | of course you get errors because your sources are fucked |
| 06:16.49 | missmbob | odigem: will you please open up that paste i just gave you? |
| 06:20.02 | odigem | missmbob: ok i use only your config |
| 06:20.13 | odigem | update without errors |
| 06:20.21 | ghormoon | missmbob: not likely, tried it in another laptop an it did show as an unknown partition table, maybe my laptop got nuts from the experiment |
| 06:20.23 | odigem | but newer kernel not installed |
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| 06:20.41 | odigem | says installed newest version |
| 06:21.04 | ghormoon | yeah, if I plug it back, it's broken again :) |
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| 06:21.08 | odigem | kernel is 4.7+75 but headers in 4.8+76 |
| 06:21.43 | missmbob | odigem: that's stretch's kernel. the 4.8+76 one. so you added that to your system which is a great way to break stuff (mixing stable and testing). dont do that |
| 06:21.48 | ghormoon | is there anything to debug this or the standard windooze solutions for problems applies here? :) |
| 06:22.24 | missmbob | odigem: you can remove the linux headers packages you currently have and then get it from jessie-backports using -t jessie-backports |
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| 06:23.07 | missmbob | which is why i asked for lsb_release -a forever ago. |
| 06:23.12 | odigem | missmbob: i not add strecth to sources.list. why this fucking debian self upgrade to testing version? |
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| 06:23.45 | odigem | in normal release testing masked |
| 06:24.02 | odigem | linux* |
| 06:24.04 | missmbob | given how fucked your sources were i dont doubt anything |
| 06:24.21 | missmbob | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:24.21 | dpkg | ii linux-headers*" 3.3-12 missmbob's private warez collection |
| 06:24.23 | odigem | missmbob: I NO TOUCH SOURCES.LIST |
| 06:24.25 | missmbob | damn |
| 06:24.33 | odigem | I ONLY ADD NON_FREE |
| 06:24.35 | missmbob | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:24.36 | dpkg | ii "linux-headers*" |grep ^i will tell you which are installed 2.2-15.2 missmbob's private coin collection |
| 06:24.47 | odigem | missmbob: 3.7.... |
| 06:24.47 | missmbob | odigem: you or someone did. your sources werent made by the installer |
| 06:24.53 | odigem | *4.7.... |
| 06:25.22 | odigem | holy shit |
| 06:25.50 | odigem | where it came from 4.8 ??? |
| 06:26.05 | odigem | all try to upgrade failed |
| 06:26.42 | odigem | debian is worst distro |
| 06:26.49 | hantu | lol |
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| 06:34.17 | eumel | odigem: try ubuntu, that's african for "i'm not able to setup debian!" |
| 06:34.58 | odigem | eumel: you idiot? ubuntu based on debian! |
| 06:35.03 | babilen | eumel: Please, there really is not need for comments like that |
| 06:35.32 | eumel | you're right sry for that |
| 06:35.33 | babilen | odigem: And I would also appreciate it if you could stick to technical problems and refrain from insults |
| 06:36.35 | eumel | odigem: are you sure about that? ubuntu looks much different then debian |
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| 06:36.58 | eumel | odigem: it's more brown and orange than blue |
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| 06:37.34 | odigem | eumel: fuck himself and use bolgenos |
| 06:38.06 | ongy | Hi. I am having problems configuring my network interface. I dropped a config I think should work in /etc/network/interfaces.d, but things don't work. http://pastebin.com/jXMEETDU |
| 06:38.43 | eumel | ongy: what exactly is the error? |
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| 06:39.17 | ongy | the Interface is down. Both when I start with cable plugged in and plugging in while started |
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| 06:40.45 | eumel | ongy: you're using a Network Manager or manual config? |
| 06:41.33 | eumel | ongy: can you post an ifconfig -a / ip link show in some pastebin? |
| 06:41.36 | ongy | I don't have network manager. I dropped that file in /etc/network/interfaces.d/enp2s0. |
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| 06:42.40 | PAV | never really understood that debian-ubuntu flame. How about you jelly ? |
| 06:43.01 | ongy | http://pastebin.com/zykJAEv8 enp4s0 is configured to use dhcp |
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| 06:46.58 | eumel | ongy: do you receive any errors on ifup enp2s0? |
| 06:47.34 | ongy | I do, let me fix that |
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| 06:48.24 | ongy | ok, the config file had an error, allow-hotplug is without iface, and has to be after the interface config |
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| 06:51.09 | eumel | ongy: that's right, "allow-hotplug interface" is correct |
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| 06:54.13 | fredl | hmmm |
| 06:54.37 | fredl | can somebody please do a whois on me and tell me why my IP address looks the way it does?! |
| 06:54.59 | eumel | fredl: it's an ipv6 address |
| 06:55.00 | preaction | fredl: that's an ipv6 address |
| 06:55.12 | fredl | yes, but I see it 2 times |
| 06:55.19 | ongy | I don't |
| 06:55.22 | preaction | i don't |
| 06:55.24 | eumel | me neither |
| 06:55.29 | fredl | hmmm |
| 06:55.45 | fredl | interesting |
| 06:56.17 | fredl | well 2001:980:942a:1:21f:d0ff:feae:f833 *should* reverse resolve to smtp.3dn.nl |
| 06:56.31 | fredl | and I'm wondering why freenode doesn't see that |
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| 06:57.09 | fredl | when I do nslookup 2001:980:942a:1:21f:d0ff:feae:f833 on my cmdline I do get 3.3.8.f.e.a.e.f.f.f.0.d.f.1.2.0.1.0.0.0.a.2.4.9.0.8.9.0.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpaname = smtp.3dn.nl. |
| 06:57.51 | fredl | it looks in my ifconfig that I have two scope global addresses too |
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| 06:59.00 | fredl | I have a system that I configured from scratch so it has a new internal IPv4 address.... |
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| 06:59.18 | fredl | as a consequence it got a new IPv6 address automatically, not sure exactly how that works |
| 06:59.33 | fredl | but now I'm trying to configure it to have the IPv6 of my old server |
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| 06:59.43 | fredl | and added to /etc/network/interfaces: |
| 06:59.53 | fredl | iface eth0 inet6 static |
| 06:59.53 | fredl | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:59.53 | fredl | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:59.53 | fredl | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:59.54 | babilen | dpkg: pastre |
| 06:59.54 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, babilen |
| 06:59.57 | babilen | dpkg: paste |
| 06:59.57 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 07:00.04 | fredl | sorry |
| 07:00.16 | babilen | Please don't paste into the channel, but use http://paste.debian.net instead |
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| 07:00.34 | fredl | yes I know, thought 4 lines wouldn't be flooding but I guess I'm typing too fast :) |
| 07:02.05 | fredl | hmm well.... http://ipv6.whatismyv6.com/ says my IPv6 is what I expect it to be |
| 07:02.30 | fredl | so not sure why freenode can't reverse resolve it |
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| 07:04.58 | ongy | could be DNS-caches for all we know. the TTLs are rather high |
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| 07:06.26 | fredl | hmm, well the reverse has been in there for long time, used to reverse-resolve fine for old server |
| 07:06.49 | fredl | but thinking maybe it's a gmail thing, their mailserver giving me crap |
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| 07:07.12 | fredl | I'll see that I add the forward AAAA record again, maybe they're complaining about that now |
| 07:07.45 | fredl | anyway, got it, tnx guys, laterz |
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| 07:45.07 | styler2go | Hi, is there some easy command to find a wifi device? ifconfig, lsusb and lspci doesn't list it |
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| 07:45.53 | eumel | iwconfig |
| 07:46.31 | themill | styler2go: perhaps real commands and full output in a pastebin would help? |
| 07:46.55 | eumel | styler2go: use /sbin/iwconfig |
| 07:47.01 | styler2go | themill, those were real commands? |
| 07:47.24 | styler2go | eumel, does not exist |
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| 07:48.01 | themill | styler2go: well you'd need ifconfig -a; lspci -nn; etc. |
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| 07:49.10 | eumel | themill: not necessary |
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| 07:49.27 | eumel | styler2go: install it, package is "iw" |
| 07:49.34 | themill | if you want useful information it is |
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| 07:49.44 | styler2go | eumel, i installed it but package was "wireless-tools" |
| 07:50.09 | Rogach | Why apt always downloads full .deb archive when updating? Wouldn't it be nicer to download only the difference, since previously installed deb is cached anyway? |
| 07:50.11 | eumel | styler2go: okay, maybe it was installed by dependencies |
| 07:50.21 | themill | Rogach: debdelta exists |
| 07:50.31 | themill | !debdelta |
| 07:50.31 | dpkg | it has been said that debdelta is a framework for updating machines using binary diffs of the .deb packages rather than downloading the full .deb. See http://debdelta.debian.net/FAQ |
| 07:51.08 | themill | Rogach: someone still has to make the differences between the two .deb files for you and store some history of updates for you and eventually you realise that for 99% of packages you're better off just grabbing the new one |
| 07:51.56 | eumel | themill: ifconfig lists all active interfaces by default, why is -a needed? |
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| 07:52.27 | themill | eumel: it's unlikely to be up, given the context of the question |
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| 07:52.53 | themill | If the interface were up and configured, there wouldn't be a question to ask. |
| 07:53.14 | eumel | themill: makes sense i guess |
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| 07:53.45 | Rogach | themill: Wow, debdelta is a good find - I was not able to find anything like that and ended developing something myself. Does it handle embedded archives well? (specifically zip/gzip) |
| 07:53.48 | Rogach | themill: Wow, debdelta is a good find - I was not able to find anything like that and ended developing something myself. Does it handle embedded archives well? (specifically zip/gzip) |
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| 07:54.20 | ByteStorm | guys is it true tht you hav to keep your bluetooth on for the wifi to work in a laptop? |
| 07:54.41 | babilen | It isn't |
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| 07:55.14 | themill | Rogach: it uses xdelta for it, so it handles it as well as xdelta will. xdelta fails pretty badly on some compression options |
| 07:55.14 | babilen | I am aware of at least one case in which that isn't the case |
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| 07:55.49 | jelly | ByteStorm: mine doesn't. It's plausible some _specific_ crazy buggy hardware platform with intesting rfkill breakage might need something like that |
| 07:55.53 | styler2go | iwconfig doesn't list any device, eumel |
| 07:56.34 | missmbob | which is why themill asked for lspci -nn |
| 07:56.36 | eumel | styler2go: do you have drivers installed for the specific device? |
| 07:56.50 | styler2go | I am trying to find the device first, eumel |
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| 07:57.37 | eumel | styler2go: follow missmbob and themill, lspci -nn should list you're wifi device |
| 07:57.48 | styler2go | missmbob, but lspci doesn't list any wifi device. It shows: Host bridge, VGA compatible controller, Multimedia controller, signal processing controller, usb controller, encryption controller and ISA bridge |
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| 07:57.58 | ByteStorm | jelly could you advice me to how to check if proper wifi drivers are installed on my lappy? |
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| 07:58.14 | babilen | styler2go: Show us the commands you executed and their complete output on http://paste.debian.net, please |
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| 07:58.15 | styler2go | https://p.styler2go.de/9456481/ see here |
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| 08:08.00 | Elirips | Hello. I'm on debian jessie, running certbot from backports. I'm trying to figure out who is chaning the permission of /var/log/letsencrypt/letsencrypt.log from user 'certbot' to user 'root': http://pastebin.com/6G6UsyYZ The timestamps indicate something like logrotate, but I do not find anything in the config. Any hints for me? |
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| 08:13.33 | MaBunny | ok guys,so how do i check if my wifi driver is working properly or not? |
| 08:14.59 | styler2go | iwconfig? :D |
| 08:15.18 | nkuttler | define working properly |
| 08:17.25 | MaBunny | well,working properly = not having both bluetooth and wifi ON at the same time |
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| 08:26.45 | ws2k3 | question, i have 2 debian machines configured as a load balacers. they work fine for many years already. only they are running debian 6. is it recommanded to upgrade them? is leaving them on debian 6 a security risk? |
| 08:27.31 | missmbob | yes. yes. 6 LTS support ended in Feb |
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| 08:29.16 | ws2k3 | missmbob but they are only reachable on LAN, all WAN ports are closed except 80 and 443, and those just get forwarded to other machines using keepalived so where would be the security risk |
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| 08:30.18 | eumel | ws2k3: if someones intruded into the lan he can attack those two targets easy |
| 08:31.22 | ws2k3 | eumel hmm yeah seems valid. so i just need to go upgrade those machines? |
| 08:31.27 | styler2go | So, anyone an idea how to find my wifi hardware device? My lspci --n: https://p.styler2go.de/9456481/ |
| 08:32.28 | eumel | styler2go: lspci doesn't list a wifi device (i didn't see one), maybe it's name is not that obvious, you could grep in dmesg for it .. |
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| 08:32.56 | nkuttler | styler2go: try lsusb |
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| 08:33.41 | styler2go | nkuttler, no wifi device :/ https://p.styler2go.de/6486816/ |
| 08:33.50 | eumel | ws2k3: how likely is it that someone will intrude you're LAN? |
| 08:33.54 | nkuttler | well, i can't open your js-only bin anyway |
| 08:33.57 | styler2go | But i know that it's onboard, it has an antenne plug and on windows it was working |
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| 08:35.07 | eumel | styler2go: have you searched in dmesg output? .. should be recognizes somewhere in it |
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| 08:35.42 | styler2go | eumel, nothign about "wifi" or "wlan" |
| 08:35.49 | nkuttler | styler2go: net |
| 08:36.31 | styler2go | nothing really.. just audit: initializing netlink subsys (disabled) |
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| 08:37.01 | nkuttler | styler2go: check your manual, the one that came with the machine |
| 08:37.24 | styler2go | on which hint? which driver i need? |
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| 08:38.36 | nkuttler | styler2go: anything really. how it's connected, chipset, etc |
| 08:38.43 | styler2go | ok i will try |
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| 08:38.49 | babilen | styler2go: It would help to know the name of your (allegedly installed) wifi card |
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| 08:39.13 | styler2go | it's onboard on a SoC |
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| 08:40.40 | eumel | styler2go: what about broadcom or br, i think they don't match wifi / wlan |
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| 08:43.44 | unborn | is there any way to read messages from boot screen? I saw something red there but was unable to pause it while booting debian.. |
| 08:44.19 | missmbob | dmesg --color=always |
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| 08:46.10 | nohitall | hi, I need some ideas, I can't ssh into a system from another system, root via sshkey is enabled, no firewall rules, everytime I try it asks for password and fails. Not sure if I forget anything to check |
| 08:46.45 | nohitall | weird thing is its not even showing the root login attempt in auth.log |
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| 08:48.21 | eumel | nohitall: try ssh -v, that should give you a more verbose log |
| 08:48.28 | styler2go | I found the windows driver for my device and found it is Realtek 8723as |
| 08:49.09 | eumel | nohitall: you can extend this to ssh -vvv for debug logging in level 3 |
| 08:50.19 | nohitall | eumel: true, forgot I have that |
| 08:50.22 | styler2go | so i found out the wifi device is conencted via SDIO, does linux support this? |
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| 08:50.44 | eumel | styler2go: styler2go found a thread via google, firmware realtek should contain this driver |
| 08:50.54 | eumel | styler2go: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=105149 |
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| 08:51.13 | nohitall | eumel: how to interpret this? http://pastebin.com/raw/mdtFwy25 |
| 08:51.25 | nohitall | weird |
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| 08:53.25 | eumel | nohitall: the server most likely can't access the authorized_keys file, i've seen this before |
| 08:53.50 | eumel | nohitall: can you check permissions on the .ssh directory and authorized_keys file? |
| 08:54.01 | nohitall | I did , they are correct, 700 on .ssh and 600 on auth file |
| 08:54.08 | nohitall | but as I said login attempt doesnt even show in auth.log |
| 08:54.24 | nohitall | but I can ssh into with my user and password, but only from another machine |
| 08:54.29 | nohitall | makes no sense :/ |
| 08:54.44 | nohitall | root setting is without-password, jessie defaults |
| 08:54.48 | nohitall | fresh jessie install |
| 08:54.54 | eumel | nohitall: is there a firewall between the other machine and the target or something? |
| 08:54.59 | nohitall | no |
| 08:55.09 | nohitall | first thing I checked |
| 08:55.58 | eumel | styler2go: firmware-realtek is in the non-free branch, you'll have to add this to your sources.list |
| 08:56.03 | nohitall | not my first server, just came here because I am out of ideas hehe |
| 08:56.12 | nohitall | I wonder why it said "we did not send a paket" |
| 08:56.16 | nohitall | due to lack of response? |
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| 08:56.23 | themill | nohitall: /root/.ssh/id_ed25519 is unlikely to be the public key; that should be a private key |
| 08:56.38 | nohitall | themill: true, weird |
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| 08:57.05 | themill | (I don't recall if ssh automagically adds/removes .pub but I do remember playing this game before) |
| 08:57.19 | nohitall | I defo copied the pubkey |
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| 08:57.51 | themill | You'd normally copy the private key (from client to server) |
| 08:57.52 | eumel | nohitall: can you call ssh with -i and the key file directly? so that we know it's using the right one? |
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| 08:58.42 | eumel | themill: the server get's the id_rsa.pub file usually? |
| 08:59.00 | Ticho | just inspect the file, if it is just one line, it's a public key, if it says PRIVATE KEY, it is that |
| 08:59.03 | themill | err umm yeah |
| 08:59.26 | nohitall | http://pastebin.com/raw/xssmjPvr |
| 08:59.28 | nohitall | same |
| 08:59.54 | nohitall | Ticho: the files are correct |
| 09:00.02 | nohitall | using them since 2 years, just checked too |
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| 09:00.15 | Ticho | btw, why not use ssh-copy-id utility to make sure it gets copied and added correctly? |
| 09:00.15 | nohitall | I can ssh into my other machines from there just fine |
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| 09:00.29 | eumel | maybe there's something wrong with the keys in /etc/ssh/, you could run rm /etc/ssh/ssh_host_* and reconfigure with dpkg-reconfigure sshd afterwards |
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| 09:00.36 | Iota | Hi Debianers :3 |
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| 09:00.56 | Ticho | perhaps the permissions on .ssh/authorized_keys file are too lax - ssh doesn't like that |
| 09:01.06 | Ticho | that's a common issue |
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| 09:01.26 | nohitall | -rw------- 1 root root 97 Nov 20 20:25 /root/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 09:01.32 | nohitall | chmod 600, chmod700 .ssh |
| 09:01.41 | Iota | What should I install, MySQL-Server or MariaDB-Server ? |
| 09:01.53 | nohitall | Iota: personal choice, I'd favor MariaDB |
| 09:01.56 | eumel | nohitall: that's how it should be |
| 09:02.03 | themill | is postgresql a valid answer? |
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| 09:02.16 | Iota | high-fives nohitall |
| 09:02.18 | eumel | themill: or sqlite? |
| 09:03.22 | eumel | nohitall: bad ownership of files / folders should also be mentioned somewhere in auth.log i think |
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| 09:03.54 | nohitall | huh ok I think I know why, seems I am getting redirected to the wrong system |
| 09:03.57 | eumel | nohitall: you're not running selinux or something? |
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| 09:04.22 | unborn | thanks missmbob |
| 09:04.40 | nohitall | oh man |
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| 09:04.43 | nohitall | facepalms |
| 09:04.50 | themill | hah |
| 09:04.58 | nohitall | pushes face through the face |
| 09:05.02 | themill | dpkg, pal nohitall |
| 09:05.02 | dpkg | points at nohitall and laughs |
| 09:05.08 | nohitall | dns cache |
| 09:05.21 | nohitall | Just wondered why -v said remote version is 7.3 |
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| 09:06.32 | unborn | Job rpcbind.service/start deleted to break ordering cycle starting with basic.target/start - should I be worried about this? |
| 09:06.47 | eumel | styler2go: any good news on the realtek front? |
| 09:07.03 | styler2go | eumel, trying to compile and trying to find out hwo to use sdio |
| 09:07.14 | styler2go | had to dist-upgrade first etc. |
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| 09:08.47 | nohitall | love when people change dns entries without tell you |
| 09:08.52 | nohitall | thanks guys |
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| 09:10.08 | eumel | nohitall: you're welcome |
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| 09:12.29 | styler2go | eumel, didn't really work out at all |
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| 09:13.58 | eumel | styler2go: you installed the driver and did what? |
| 09:14.12 | eumel | styler2go: can you lsmod and check if wl modules are compiled now? |
| 09:14.29 | eumel | styler2go: i guess you have to reboot or modprobe modules now |
| 09:14.43 | styler2go | i did modprobe and reboot |
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| 09:14.57 | styler2go | the thing is, the wifi device is an sdio device |
| 09:15.04 | styler2go | so i need something to get sdio working |
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| 09:16.18 | babilen | And this is a run-off-themill Debian? |
| 09:16.29 | styler2go | strecht/testing |
| 09:16.29 | babilen | What's the device? |
| 09:16.38 | styler2go | some SoC device |
| 09:16.46 | styler2go | with amd64 cpu |
| 09:16.48 | babilen | So you don't know the name? |
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| 09:17.00 | themill | highlights babilen in return |
| 09:17.08 | babilen | :-þ |
| 09:17.15 | styler2go | https://p.styler2go.de/3748474/ got those specs |
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| 09:26.09 | jelly | styler2go: lspci -nn would be a bit more useful |
| 09:26.16 | eumel | styler2go: shouldn't this be handled by the realtek driver? |
| 09:26.33 | styler2go | eumel, not if it has no SDIO support i guess |
| 09:26.48 | styler2go | jelly, https://p.styler2go.de/4650269/ |
| 09:27.06 | missmbob | is there actually anything going on with #841533 and #841419 or are we just going to have to use workarounds forever? no big deal...just wondering if there's a plan so i can tell phil |
| 09:27.07 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/841533 in gcc-6 (open): «gcc-6: versions 6.2.0-[7-9] break construction of linux kernel with -fstack-protector-xxxx»; severity: important; opened: 2016-10-21; last modified: 2016-11-02. |
| 09:27.37 | jelly | TIL: cherry trail is WEIRD |
| 09:27.45 | styler2go | ikr |
| 09:27.47 | styler2go | really weird |
| 09:28.06 | styler2go | setting up X was a struggle already |
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| 09:30.06 | jelly | what are its hwdec capabilities, does it do H.265? |
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| 09:30.30 | styler2go | on the cherry trail? |
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| 09:30.42 | jelly | yes |
| 09:31.05 | styler2go | i only tried H.264 yet |
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| 09:31.42 | fairway | morning |
| 09:34.42 | eumel | styler2go: i'm out, aren't sdio devices supported on linux? |
| 09:34.55 | eumel | styler2go: totaly confused right now |
| 09:35.33 | styler2go | i am not sure, i never had such a think |
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| 09:35.36 | styler2go | thing* |
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| 09:36.48 | styler2go | jelly, just tried a 1280x720 sample and it worked nicely |
| 09:36.52 | eumel | styler2go: can you type the cars model again? |
| 09:36.58 | eumel | styler2go: *the cards |
| 09:37.15 | jelly | styler2go: but does it say it used vaapi or not |
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| 09:38.37 | styler2go | Using hardware decoding (vaapi). |
| 09:38.37 | styler2go | VO: [opengl] 1280x720 vaapi |
| 09:38.46 | styler2go | command was: mpv --fs --vo=opengl --hwdec=vaapi TearsOfSteel_720p_h265.mkv |
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| 09:39.46 | jelly | nod |
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| 09:40.21 | jelly | that would make it usable as a htpc |
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| 09:40.51 | styler2go | i think so. but windows worked a lot smoother on it to be honest.. maybe cherry trail is too new? |
| 09:41.21 | shtrb | Is there any danger in adding "secure_file_priv=" inside ~/.local/share/akonadi/mysql.conf (workaround for https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=843534) ? (also happen in sid) |
| 09:41.22 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/843534 in akonadi (closed, help, newcomer, patch): «[akonadi-server] Fails to start after mysql upgrade»; severity: important; opened: 2016-11-07; last modified: 2016-11-18. |
| 09:41.26 | eumel | styler2go: what was you're wifi cards serial again? |
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| 09:42.11 | eumel | styler2go: can you check if the model is listed in apt-cache show firmware-realtek? |
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| 09:42.47 | eumel | maybe the driver isn't supported by the package in the repos, you'd have to compile from source then |
| 09:43.35 | JyZyXEL | what is the command to re-build a simple sid backport when there is a new dash release of the package? |
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| 09:44.20 | styler2go | eumel, if there is source |
| 09:44.25 | JyZyXEL | it seems as doing 'apt-get -b source' in the same directory might not actually do the right thing |
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| 09:46.41 | eumel | styler2go: is it listed? i'd really like to know how you fixed this. |
| 09:47.29 | styler2go | it is listed |
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| 09:48.30 | eumel | styler2go: okay. hm, had some similiar issue a while a go with an sdio device, solved that by installing drivers from the repos. |
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| 09:49.59 | styler2go | somehow it doesn't recognize it |
| 09:50.02 | styler2go | can't figure out why |
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| 09:53.06 | styler2go | i found the windows drivers for it.. but that doesn't really help i guess |
| 09:53.26 | missmbob | who knows... |
| 09:53.40 | missmbob | !ndiswrapper |
| 09:53.41 | dpkg | NDISwrapper enables the use of Windows XP (not Vista/7/8) network device drivers within the Linux kernel (x86 and x86-64 systems only). If a Linux kernel driver is available for your device, consider using that instead; for wireless LAN devices, ask me about <wireless>. To install NDISwrapper on Debian systems, see http://wiki.debian.org/NdisWrapper . http://ndiswrapper.sf.net/ #ndiswrapper on irc.freenode.net. |
| 09:53.48 | missmbob | sounds like the devil's magic |
| 09:54.00 | styler2go | really sounds like it |
| 09:55.25 | eumel | compatible windows and linux drivers, not suprising these days :D |
| 09:56.40 | shtrb | missmobb , you say it like FOSS isn't some unholy magic |
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| 09:57.02 | shtrb | but NDIS drivers are borken on windows because of a redisgn |
| 09:57.10 | shtrb | so a recent driver would crash win 8 /10 |
| 09:57.17 | shtrb | *8.1 / 10 |
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| 09:58.38 | shtrb | anything which is NDIS 6 and up is dangerous |
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| 09:59.59 | styler2go | i don't want to use ndis anyway :D |
| 10:00.12 | styler2go | but damn.. how hard can it be to get the SDIO wifi running |
| 10:00.49 | shtrb | I had to change 3 different normal wifi dongeles to find one that would work in debian |
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| 10:00.56 | shtrb | so , don't be amazed |
| 10:01.31 | shtrb | praise the atheros gods |
| 10:02.09 | styler2go | this one is onboard, hard to change :D |
| 10:02.38 | shtrb | you can always add another one |
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| 10:03.38 | styler2go | yeah.. will be the final solution |
| 10:03.39 | shtrb | check the local makers hacker space they are magicitions with solder iron |
| 10:04.14 | shtrb | *magicians |
| 10:04.31 | styler2go | strange part is that the device is not listed in /sys/bus/sdio/ |
| 10:05.25 | shtrb | I missed the details what device is it ? |
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| 10:05.33 | shtrb | one of the connect over GPIO ? |
| 10:05.44 | styler2go | no, over SDIO |
| 10:05.51 | styler2go | it's onbaord but on the SDIO bus i guess |
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| 10:11.06 | Crabunhador | Hi all, I'm trying to install Jessie in a new computer, but the installer does not list disk partitions. Instead, I have the option to "Configure iSCSI volumes" in the menu, but I've never configured such a thing |
| 10:11.30 | shtrb | your disks are not seen |
| 10:11.46 | Crabunhador | The thing is that if I go to a console pressing Alt + F2 and run 'fdisk -l' the partitions seem to show correctly |
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| 10:12.02 | shtrb | a router from free telecom ? |
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| 10:12.27 | shtrb | wrong channel |
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| 10:29.48 | mazzanet | hey all |
| 10:29.59 | mazzanet | anyone running testing, exim4 and mariadb 10? |
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| 10:31.06 | shtrb | do you have a specific question ? |
| 10:31.20 | shtrb | or is it a poll |
| 10:31.41 | mazzanet | latest update seems to have broken a dep for me |
| 10:31.58 | mazzanet | Setting up exim4-config (4.88~RC4-2) ... |
| 10:31.59 | mazzanet | /usr/sbin/exim4: error while loading shared libraries: libmariadbclient.so.18: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 10:32.16 | mazzanet | from what i can tell libmariadbclient.so.18 isn't actually a thing? |
| 10:32.39 | missmbob | !debian-next |
| 10:32.39 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 10:32.44 | missmbob | mazzanet: ^ |
| 10:32.49 | mazzanet | doh |
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| 10:38.22 | nohitall | where are boot files defined if one has not grub installed? |
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| 10:38.32 | nohitall | trying to figure out why its still using old kernel |
| 10:39.22 | nkuttler | nohitall: what do you use instead of grub? |
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| 10:39.43 | nohitall | no idea, I didnt set this up, its some weird minimal setup |
| 10:39.50 | nohitall | but I can't find any grub directory/files |
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| 10:40.00 | nkuttler | well, there are other bootloaders.. which arch is this? |
| 10:40.03 | nohitall | in /boot are only files of the new kernel but it still boots in default |
| 10:40.07 | nohitall | jessie amd64 |
| 10:40.28 | nohitall | what would debian use on a minimal install without baseutils? |
| 10:40.42 | nkuttler | busybox? |
| 10:40.49 | relaxed | mazzanet: install libmariadbclient18 |
| 10:40.59 | nohitall | hm nop |
| 10:41.20 | nohitall | gawd I hate the guy who set this system up, bloody mess |
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| 10:41.37 | shtrb | under / ? |
| 10:41.42 | nkuttler | nohitall: ask him |
| 10:42.11 | nohitall | shouldnt /boot always show running kernel files? |
| 10:42.24 | nkuttler | nohitall: no |
| 10:42.29 | shtrb | look where vmlinuz point at |
| 10:42.41 | nohitall | nowhere |
| 10:42.43 | shtrb | that dir will probabaly hold what you are asking |
| 10:42.50 | nohitall | there is only the vmlinuz of the new kernel |
| 10:43.01 | nkuttler | nohitall: /vmlinuz |
| 10:43.40 | nohitall | hmm |
| 10:43.47 | nohitall | points to the right file |
| 10:44.16 | shtrb | what abot /initrd.img ? |
| 10:44.48 | shtrb | and are you sure you are reading the partition with the bootloader ? |
| 10:44.53 | nohitall | http://pastebin.com/raw/6SDZBcvg |
| 10:44.56 | nohitall | doesnt that look weird? |
| 10:45.32 | nkuttler | nohitall: what kind of hardware is that anyway. could have a kernel in the firmware or whatever |
| 10:45.38 | nohitall | KVM |
| 10:45.59 | nohitall | maybe the kernel name is just wrong hm |
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| 10:46.34 | nohitall | hm no paxtest says its loaded still the vanilla kernel |
| 10:46.39 | nohitall | not the grsec |
| 10:47.22 | nohitall | I tried to intall grub2 but it failed, left me in some endless repeat of "continue without installing grub?" |
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| 10:48.07 | nkuttler | you should really ask the guy who built it |
| 10:48.40 | nohitall | yea, waiting for him, best to burn the whole thing and start afresh |
| 10:49.03 | nohitall | well thx anyway, nice channel compared to others |
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| 10:53.22 | nohitall | man but this is weird, I just inatlled an older kernel that I had ready as .deb package, and it still boots the bpo |
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| 12:27.16 | daemon | hey all has anyon managed to install steam succesfully? |
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| 12:29.52 | ws2k3 | what is wrong here? http://pastebin.com/kDRmKTZG im trying to configure debian archive for my debian squeeze? |
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| 12:32.23 | petn-randall | ws2k3: I can't see anything wrong. |
| 12:32.36 | petn-randall | !bat |
| 12:32.37 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 12:32.40 | pkv | hi |
| 12:32.56 | ws2k3 | petn-randall http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/updates/main/source/Sources.gz 404 not found |
| 12:33.08 | pkv | daemon: i dont know archive but i think you have to "tel" what archive you want |
| 12:33.18 | pkv | like http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian-6.0/ |
| 12:33.26 | pkv | in your source.list |
| 12:33.28 | ws2k3 | petn-randall i checked the url and the folder updates does not exsist anymore so thats why it fails |
| 12:34.43 | ws2k3 | petn-randall i commented out both the http://archive.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-updates main lines and now apt-get update does not give any errors anymore |
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| 12:35.24 | ws2k3 | petn-randall so now i only have: deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main |
| 12:35.24 | ws2k3 | deb-src http://archive.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main in my sources.list is that good? (im going to upgrade to wheezy soon) |
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| 12:58.50 | petn-randall | ws2k3: It's only of value to install new things. squeeze hasn't been supported with security updates for about 10 months now. |
| 12:59.28 | petn-randall | ws2k3: That is why I'm guessing squeeze-updates returns a 404. |
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| 13:02.14 | ws2k3 | petemc thx |
| 13:02.19 | ws2k3 | petn-randall thx (A) |
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| 13:03.54 | nadley | hi guys I have is there different mirror of Debian in China. I use one but the InRelease file is expired and this cause trouble to my deployment script as the RC code is not 0 when it performs an "apt update". The incrimined file is : http://ftp.cn.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie-updates/InRelease |
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| 13:05.05 | abrotman | nadley: debian.org/mirrors/list there are several |
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| 13:06.10 | nadley | abrotman: ok thanks gonna llok if I can use several in my config file |
| 13:06.50 | nadley | *look |
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| 13:24.58 | paul_grozav | hello, I have no sound on my debian system, only HDMI output. Any idea what could be wrong ? |
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| 13:25.27 | neredsenvy | Is apt-update failing for anyone else ? |
| 13:25.52 | neredsenvy | None of the mirrors seem to work |
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| 13:26.16 | neredsenvy | https://dpaste.de/vJ2d |
| 13:26.47 | jelly | you have a dns resolving issue, neredsenvy |
| 13:26.55 | han-solo | bash: apt-update: command not found |
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| 13:27.25 | neredsenvy | jelly: Ill try google DNS |
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| 13:29.18 | han-solo | is apt update the same as apt-get update? |
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| 13:30.08 | OpenTokix | han-solo: almost, it is also apt-get upgrade |
| 13:30.18 | OpenTokix | nevermind |
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| 13:31.09 | neredsenvy | Hm tried google public DNS same issue |
| 13:31.12 | paul_grozav | http://pastebin.com/DgvGFKD0 any idea about what could be wrong with this sound card? |
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| 13:52.04 | paul_grozav | does anyone have a clue if there are any driver problems with intel soundcards on laptops? My debian can't use it |
| 13:52.47 | SebastianKutter | Hi. Is there any way to get USB devices to any remote machine i connect to? |
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| 13:59.07 | Selveste1 | Hey everybody, I have a problem on my Debian Stretch installation, I'm running bind9.10.4 with DNSSEC on it, and it suddenly stopped working, I don't think there have been changed anything in it other than what isc-dhcp changes. There is no errors of importants and the service startes but just dont reply me. I think I have tried just about everything now and still cant get it to work..... I have pasted what I think is relevant in |
| 13:59.09 | Selveste1 | here, http://pastebin.com/PrhVNqPz can somebody try and take a look and see if they can spot what I have missed? Best regard |
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| 14:19.17 | tehrabbitt | Good Morning :) So I have a question regarding debian mirrors / how long files stay valid for etc. |
| 14:21.02 | tehrabbitt | I have both QA and PROD servers, running Debian stable. I want to be able to run updates monthly, but QA and PROD *must* have the same updates applied for obvious reasons. This said, I built an in-house repository, and it is syncing to the debian mirrors currently daily. now originally I tried to have it sync weekly, but it complained that the mirror was basically "out of date" in terms of upgrades and woudln't upgrade to either my QA or |
| 14:21.02 | tehrabbitt | PROD systems. |
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| 14:21.59 | tehrabbitt | Basically I just want to build a system that will mirror the debian stable repos, and hold it locally so that I can ensure when I run apt-get update/upgrade on my QA servers, and then my PROD servers, they get the same exact patches / are identical |
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| 14:22.50 | OpenTokix | tehrabbitt: apt-mirror and apt-cacher-ng might be something you want to look into. |
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| 14:27.50 | tehrabbitt | OpenTokix, i'm currently using apt-mirror. Never heard of apt-cachr-ng |
| 14:28.18 | tehrabbitt | OpenTokix, the issue I ran into, was that the timestamp on the updates apparently expired or something along those lines, which when I did an apt-get update from the servers against my internal mirror, it said it was stale, and could not be used |
| 14:29.05 | ws2k3 | i have a machine with debian squeeze. and im trying to upgrade it to wheezy. but when i run apt-get dist-upgrade it just says 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. what could this be? |
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| 14:29.53 | tehrabbitt | ws2k3, in your apt.sources file, what do you have specified? |
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| 14:29.59 | tehrabbitt | http://paste.debian.net |
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| 14:30.37 | tehrabbitt | ws2k3, /etc/apt/sources |
| 14:30.40 | ws2k3 | tehrabbitt http://paste.debian.net/897294/ |
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| 14:31.05 | tehrabbitt | Okay, if you look in that file, you have Squeeze specified. |
| 14:31.18 | tehrabbitt | ws2k3, you need to change those to "Wheezy" |
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| 14:31.19 | ws2k3 | tehrabbitt yes true |
| 14:31.26 | ws2k3 | tehrabbitt hmm ur sure? |
| 14:31.35 | tehrabbitt | (this is where aptitude pulls the version it needs to update to/from) |
| 14:31.38 | tehrabbitt | ws2k3, Yes. |
| 14:31.57 | themill | ws2k3: what is it you're trying to achieve again |
| 14:32.05 | tehrabbitt | ws2k3, if you have only squeeze in that file, when you do a dist-upgrade, it is determining "What packages do I need to get from current, to squeeze? None? Okay" |
| 14:32.16 | ws2k3 | themill squeeze to wheezy |
| 14:32.31 | themill | ws2k3: and how is apt going to get packages from wheezy? |
| 14:32.40 | ws2k3 | themill not :D |
| 14:32.42 | tehrabbitt | themill, his apt sources is set to squeeze still :P |
| 14:32.50 | themill | tehrabbitt: I know |
| 14:33.20 | ws2k3 | tehrabbitt so. shall i just change squeeze to debian in this file? i can also grap the orginal wheezy apt file(icluding the security repo) and then try to upgrade what do you recommand? |
| 14:33.31 | ws2k3 | squeeze to wheezy* |
| 14:33.42 | themill | ws2k3: you should read the release notes |
| 14:33.49 | tehrabbitt | themill++ |
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| 14:34.13 | tehrabbitt | ws2k3, release notes often tell you if there are certain packages that need to be updated or such prior to a dist-upgrade |
| 14:34.14 | themill | [Tuesday 07 May 2013] [00:25:59] <themill> ws2k3: as usual, you should read through the release notes |
| 14:34.20 | themill | thought that was familiar. |
| 14:34.29 | tehrabbitt | themill, lol. |
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| 14:37.06 | atrapado_ | Hi. Whichever program generates my /etc/resolv.conf appends %wlan0 to the IP address of the nameserver so several programs do not work (host dig qemu ...). How to avoid this? |
| 14:37.28 | ws2k3 | so after i replaced the sources i can just do apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 14:38.04 | themill | ws2k3: you should read the release notes |
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| 14:40.08 | tehrabbitt | ws2k3, srsly listen to themill. they are trying to save you headaches and heartache :) |
| 14:40.23 | tehrabbitt | read through the release notes carefully, make sure to follow step by step, don't skim it! |
| 14:40.25 | RikuKawai | how come sometimes I get asked for the passphrase for my SSH keys again? |
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| 14:40.51 | RikuKawai | I'll do ssh-add, and it will work for a while, then I'll boot up and it will ask for the passphrase again |
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| 14:40.58 | atrapado_ | like this: $ cat /etc/resolv.conf -> nameserver fe80::(...)%wlan0 |
| 14:41.24 | themill | atrapado_: does nothing in that file indicate what is generating it? |
| 14:41.52 | atrapado_ | themill, no, it only has a line with the nameserver |
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| 14:42.26 | RikuKawai | mine says generated by NetworkManager |
| 14:42.33 | themill | atrapado_: how do you configure the rest of your network? (n-m? systemd-networkd? dhcp? /etc/network/interfaces? wicd?) |
| 14:44.03 | atrapado_ | it is dhcp, but I do not know whow configures it, maybe network manager ? |
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| 14:46.13 | atrapado_ | themill, it may be NetworkManager, as I configure the wifi there. |
| 14:46.26 | ws2k3 | how can i determine if my system has a self/custom compiled kernel? machine is debian squeeze. when i run uname -a it shows me Linux lb1 2.6.32 #1 SMP Fri Jan 4 21:17:44 CET 2013 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 14:48.53 | colo-work | ws2k3, I'm pretty certain that's squeeze actual. `debsums linux-image-amd64` might help. or `dpkg -S /boot/vmlinuz-*` |
| 14:50.09 | biehoh | it looks like apt is ignoring my pinning http://paste.debian.net/plain/897298 any idea what i am missing? |
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| 14:51.16 | ws2k3 | colo-work debsums: package linux-image-amd64 is not installed linux-image-2.6.32: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32 linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-amd64 is the output of dpkg -S /boot/vmlinuz-* |
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| 14:53.41 | hron84 | Hi! I trying to re-create a binary deb package without source (i have no access to the source package, this is a legacy, discontinued software) with fixed dependencies for Ubuntu Yakkety. However, I faced with error when trying to run dpkg-buildpackage against these configs: https://gist.github.com/hron84/dc1e009852e23e3357527ceefefa77cb the error is "binary build with no binary artifacts found; cannot distribute". What do I miss from my configs? |
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| 14:54.24 | _ph33r | ##security |
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| 14:54.48 | vimpulse | hron84: Hi! What version of Debian are you running? |
| 14:54.56 | hron84 | Ubuntu 16.04 |
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| 14:55.05 | vimpulse | scratches his head |
| 14:55.09 | hron84 | but I think the os is irrelevant. |
| 14:55.26 | hron84 | it's a dpkg issue independent from difference between ubuntu and debian. |
| 14:55.52 | hron84 | i know i made mistakes in the control file but i dunno what |
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| 14:58.00 | vimpulse | hron84: I agree that dpkg is a project maintained in Debian. But I wonder whether or not your question is on-topic here. |
| 14:58.00 | vimpulse | hron84: Who wrote the software? |
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| 14:58.47 | hron84 | vimpulse: IBM. But I cannot ask them to update the package, because it's a discontinued product they don't support it, even they have absolute no resource to maintain it. |
| 14:59.17 | vimpulse | hron84: May I ask?: What's the name of the IBM product? |
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| 14:59.33 | hron84 | vimpulse: look into the link ;-) |
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| 15:01.45 | hron84 | vimpulse: but regardless the software, I have to solve this issue. Do you have any idea why dpkg-buildpackage says this? |
| 15:02.08 | hron84 | I would rather not chat about WHY I want to solve this issue, I want to chat about HOW. If it is possible. |
| 15:02.57 | nkuttler | hron84: um, without source, how would your package work with newer libs that had api changes |
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| 15:03.32 | hron84 | nkuttler: this package is works on my machine (it's ubuntu xenial) and i'm pretty sure it will work with yakkety too. |
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| 15:03.58 | nkuttler | hron84: well don't guess, install it first |
| 15:04.18 | vimpulse | hron84: What version of IBM Lotus Notes are you packaging? |
| 15:04.19 | hron84 | nkuttler: i want it, but i can't. I wanna build the package for install this stuff. |
| 15:04.26 | hron84 | 9.0.1 |
| 15:04.27 | nkuttler | hron84: dpkg --force-help |
| 15:04.53 | nkuttler | anyway, you should be in the ubuntu channel |
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| 15:05.07 | hron84 | nkuttler: you could answer the question there too. |
| 15:05.12 | hron84 | I'm online there. |
| 15:05.15 | nkuttler | hron84: i don't use ubuntu |
| 15:05.28 | hron84 | nkuttler: in this case, thanks for your great assistance. |
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| 15:06.05 | hron84 | vimpulse: what do you thinking about? Do you have an idea? |
| 15:06.54 | vimpulse | nkuttler: #ubuntu is more geared to end-user support, not to packaging help. |
| 15:06.54 | vimpulse | hron84: /msg alis list *ubuntu* -min 30 |
| 15:06.54 | vimpulse | hron84: maybe #ubuntu-app-devel is the right channel for you? |
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| 15:07.32 | DrBunsen | Hello, can anyone tell my what I am doing wrong? I got a bash script to change my background wallpaper with a random one(works) but when I try to make a cronjob to do it automatically, it doesn't work. This is my cron line: 0 * * * * /bin/sh /home/bunsen/wallpaper.sh & |
| 15:07.38 | DrBunsen | That should work right? |
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| 15:07.59 | zebulon1st | hi! I'd like to find where are USC ports settings : I have a USB RTL8187 wifi card plugged in my laptop, but I can't connect to any box. Maybe because USB ports are automatically deactivated after a while (as in windows) !? How to know ? how to solve ? |
| 15:08.00 | hron84 | vimpulse: maybe. But before i go there... do you have any idea what the error message means? Regardless if it is an ubuntu or a debian? |
| 15:08.08 | hron84 | vimpulse: let assume it caused on a Debian 8. |
| 15:08.11 | zebulon1st | *USC->USB |
| 15:08.20 | vimpulse | hron84: did you try ( dpkg --force-help ) yet? |
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| 15:08.30 | nkuttler | vimpulse: i'm sure #ubuntu knows where to get help with packaging.. |
| 15:08.43 | th0r | DrBunsen, try putting the whole command in quotes |
| 15:08.55 | hron84 | vimpulse: i did, but i would rather not go on this way. I wanna distribute this package automatically and automatical tools cannot use --force-depends |
| 15:09.09 | nkuttler | DrBunsen: set the DISPLAY |
| 15:09.26 | vimpulse | nkuttler: #ubuntu is probably one of the busiest channels on Freenode. Someone there might know, or hron84's message might get lost in the din. |
| 15:09.51 | DrBunsen | th0r: my other cronjobs don't require that? and do you mean like"0 * * * * /bin/sh /home/koen/wallpaper.sh &" ? |
| 15:09.55 | vimpulse | hron84: But, if #ubuntu-app-devel is no help, #ubuntu-devel surely can direct you to the correct channel though. |
| 15:10.01 | DrBunsen | nkuttler: what do you mena? |
| 15:10.03 | DrBunsen | mean* |
| 15:10.28 | nkuttler | DrBunsen: cron runs outside of the x server |
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| 15:10.48 | hron84 | vimpulse: i cross-posted my question to all of these channels. I hope they'll help. Thanks for your assistance. |
| 15:11.06 | nkuttler | DrBunsen: try DISPLAY=:0 cmd, or set it in your script |
| 15:11.12 | vimpulse | hron84: including to #ubuntu-devel? without warning them that you crossposted? ugh. |
| 15:11.46 | vimpulse | hron84: I am glad I was able to point you elsewhere, and am sad about your crossposting. |
| 15:12.05 | hron84 | vimpulse: i hate this limitation of IRC that I cannot just crosslink messages |
| 15:12.22 | hron84 | vimpulse: and i don't know irc enough to how to do this more effectively. |
| 15:12.22 | nkuttler | and irc users hate crossposters |
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| 15:12.44 | hron84 | then they should be online on all affected channel. |
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| 15:13.03 | nkuttler | let's talk about debian |
| 15:13.17 | th0r | DrBunsen, nkuttler is right. looked up my script for doing that...it says */10 * * * * DISPLAY=:0.0 /usr/bin/xfdesktop --reload |
| 15:13.59 | hron84 | nkuttler: btw, on debian (debian 8) do you have any idea what "binary build with no binary artifacts found" means? I cannot find a resource (nor debian nor ubuntu one) to figure out what is the exact problem. |
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| 15:14.40 | vimpulse | hron84: When I feel that I really must crosspost on IRC, I like to tell each channel that the message is a crosspost. |
| 15:14.40 | vimpulse | hron84: But it may be better to avoid crossposting at all, if at all possible. If you earn others' goodwill, you may get more answers faster. |
| 15:14.50 | DrBunsen | th0r: you got 0.0? but I added display=:0 to the bash script, now to set an early wallpaper change moment |
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| 15:15.06 | nkuttler | DrBunsen: DISPLAY, not display |
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| 15:15.23 | DrBunsen | nkuttler: I copy pasted it, so no worries ;) |
| 15:15.39 | hron84 | vimpulse: okay, but what is the alternative of crossposting? I need the soluton in relative short time, i have no time for sitting on this problem for months. |
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| 15:15.49 | th0r | DrBunsen, that is what my note says. had it running years ago, not using it now. |
| 15:16.17 | vimpulse | hron84: Dunno. IRC doesn't take months. Have patience. |
| 15:16.17 | vimpulse | hron84: Or you can pay me $50/hour to SSH in and take a look, if you like. |
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| 15:17.10 | hron84 | vimpulse: I would but I cannot. If we go on this way, it will take really months to get a financial decision from the company i work for. |
| 15:17.13 | vimpulse | DrBunsen: Press Ctrl+Alt+F1, and run your Bash script from there. See if it works. |
| 15:17.13 | vimpulse | DrBunsen: Important tip! Remember that you must press Ctrl+Alt+F7 to get out of the virtual console. If you forget that key combination, you may be stuck there all day. |
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| 15:17.52 | vimpulse | hron84: your company takes months to decide whether or not to hire a consultant for a small amount of work? |
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| 15:18.19 | hron84 | vimpulse: but regardless on this, i agree they're helping in their free time, but... how can i say it on PC way... not all channels include all users from all other channels. So, if somoene sits on only one channel (in this case on #ubuntu-devel or #debian) what is te way for share same questions between channels without crossposting? |
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| 15:18.42 | nkuttler | !ot |
| 15:18.42 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 15:19.05 | DrBunsen | th0r. nkuttler * * * * * DISPLAY=:0.0 /home/koen/wallpaper.sh & did the trick, thanks |
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| 15:19.48 | th0r | DrBunsen, took me a while to get it right...hence the archived note |
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| 15:20.10 | Downer | what happened to debian testing, aptitude wants to upgrade 1/3 of my installed packages (almost 500) :\ |
| 15:20.10 | hron84 | vimpulse: first, i will get an answer "you should do it", and it will take a week to force them to solve. But... we went too far on this way. It is a question about dpkg. Just a question. I will not ask my boss to hire a consultant just because some Debian people hate Ubuntu people. This would be make me ridiculous. |
| 15:20.26 | nkuttler | Downer: sounds pretty normal, also /msg dpkg debian-next |
| 15:20.58 | nkuttler | hron84: please take it to -offtopic, or somewhere else |
| 15:21.05 | DrBunsen | th0r: I am sure to write this down as well |
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| 15:21.51 | vimpulse | Downer: Why are you using Debian Testing at all? Just curious. |
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| 15:22.30 | Downer | vimpulse: i needed it (for some reason) when i built the server years ago... |
| 15:22.38 | nkuttler | server? eh.. |
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| 15:22.54 | nkuttler | Downer: if that was years ago your testing became stable somewhen.. |
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| 15:22.57 | greycat | Testing from "years ago" would probably be, like, wheezy or jessie now. Yes? |
| 15:23.00 | vimpulse | Downer: You can upgrade from an older Debian Testing to a newer Debian Stable. |
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| 15:23.26 | vimpulse | nkuttler: if sources.list says "testing" then I think you may stay on testing forever. |
| 15:23.31 | greycat | As long as you never pulled any new "testing" packages after the jessie freeze. |
| 15:23.34 | nkuttler | vimpulse: obviously |
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| 15:24.03 | Downer | i have "testing" all over my sources.list :) |
| 15:24.23 | greycat | That's a really bad idea on a server. |
| 15:24.24 | vimpulse | Downer: If you need one or two packages from testing, you can get them from the backports repository, or you can backport them yourself. That way you never have to upgrade your server to run a full Debian Testing system. |
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| 15:25.06 | vimpulse | hron84: I am in #debian-offtopic now. |
| 15:25.24 | Downer | vimpulse: yeah, but as i said, when i installed it i needed too many packages from testing (and dependencies and dependencies on the dependencies) so i just went full on testing |
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| 15:25.53 | jhutchins | I once inherited a server that had packages from five different releases on it. |
| 15:25.59 | vimpulse | Downer: You still probably shouldn't have used the word "testing" in your sources.list file. You can upgrade to testing without using that word. |
| 15:26.02 | greycat | If testing was "will be jessie" at the time, then you should have used "jessie" in your sources.list so you would converge on jessie as it became stable, insetad of being in perpetual surprise land. |
| 15:26.31 | vimpulse | Downer: You can still fix your sources.list so that you'll move to stable when it's ready. Please do so now, then tell us when you're done! |
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| 15:26.43 | Downer | it was etch or lenny... |
| 15:27.24 | Downer | greycat: i am a gentoo user. surprise land is where i thrive :D |
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| 15:27.57 | greycat | still hasn't upgraded his OpenVZ VPS past wheezy |
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| 15:28.05 | zebulon1st | where are the USB ports settings file(s) : I have to remove the auto-sleep option to one of them. |
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| 15:29.06 | vimpulse | zebulon1st: If you didn't get an answer to your real question, please ask it again. Please don't ask your auto-sleep question based on a guess at what's wrong. |
| 15:29.32 | n4dir | obviously it is not where you thrive, Downer, else you wouldn't have asked about it here. |
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| 15:29.52 | sobczyk | hello, I've hit a debootstrap bug, where it installs "some" version of packages (not the latest), and fails (because dpkg expects latest), is it desired behaviour |
| 15:29.57 | Downer | n4dir: i was just curious, never seen it do that before. |
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| 15:30.38 | vimpulse | Downer: If you do silly things such as write "testing" in your sources.list, then please be responsible and fix it. That way you can prevent wasting our time unnecessarily in future. |
| 15:30.38 | vimpulse | Downer: Once you've fixed it, then please let us know. :) |
| 15:30.40 | Downer | n4dir: asking about things you dont understand is the way to learn. |
| 15:31.01 | Downer | vimpulse: am i wasting your time? |
| 15:31.01 | vimpulse | zebulon1st: If you don't get an answer, re-ask elsewhere. For example, you could ask in ##linux or at < http://unix.stackexchange.com >. |
| 15:31.04 | n4dir | And mainly on a server |
| 15:31.08 | vimpulse | Downer: Indirectly, perhaps. |
| 15:31.14 | Downer | wow ok. |
| 15:31.25 | Downer | sorry to have bothered you |
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| 15:31.30 | Downer | :\ |
| 15:31.39 | vimpulse | Downer: "Sorry" is worth nothing if you refuse to make the config change. |
| 15:31.49 | Roland- | Hi, is there a way to get a newer qemu-kvm package? |
| 15:31.58 | vimpulse | Downer: And, if you make the config change, "Sorry" is perhaps unnecessary. |
| 15:32.05 | vimpulse | Roland-: Hi! Why? |
| 15:32.15 | greycat | Newer than what? Why? |
| 15:32.33 | Roland- | I am having some serious issues with guests vms, and I don't have those issues on centos , same hardware and guests |
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| 15:32.46 | greycat | And those problems are...? |
| 15:32.54 | vimpulse | Roland-: Also: What's the host OS? What's the guest OS? |
| 15:33.09 | vimpulse | Roland-: If you ask a too-short question (as you did), you just create extra typing work for us. :) |
| 15:34.32 | Roland- | host os is debian jessie, guest is server 2012 r2 |
| 15:34.39 | Roland- | the server hangs from time to time |
| 15:34.49 | Roland- | (guest) no errors just hangs. |
| 15:35.14 | Roland- | so I would like to try a different qemu version since the kernel and qemu are the only things that differ between hosts |
| 15:35.31 | vimpulse | /me likes asking basic questions. |
| 15:35.31 | vimpulse | Roland-: Why not run Windows Server on a bare-metal box? |
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| 15:35.48 | Roland- | vimpulse ok nevermind |
| 15:35.51 | n4dir | Roland-: in jessie backports is a newer version, same as in testing, it seems: https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=jessie-backports&searchon=names&keywords=qemu-kvm |
| 15:35.56 | Roland- | I have no idea what kind of question is that. |
| 15:36.02 | greycat | ,v qemu-kvm |
| 15:36.03 | judd | Package: qemu-kvm on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.1.2+dfsg-6+deb7u12; wheezy-security: 1.1.2+dfsg-6+deb7u18; wheezy-backports: 1:2.1+dfsg-12+deb8u5a~bpo70+1; jessie-security: 1:2.1+dfsg-12+deb8u6; jessie: 1:2.1+dfsg-12+deb8u6; jessie-backports: 1:2.7+dfsg-3~bpo8+2; sid: 1:2.7+dfsg-3+b1; stretch: 1:2.7+dfsg-3+b1 |
| 15:36.15 | vimpulse | Roland-: It's pretty basic. But I'm curious to know the answer anyway. |
| 15:36.22 | greycat | So yes, you can try the jessie-backports version, but "throwing larger numbers at it" rarely solves problems. |
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| 15:37.37 | Roland- | vimpulse ok: 1. the host has 64G of ram and that guest won't need as much 2. because we are in 2016 3. so we can migrate that guest within the hosts. 3 etc |
| 15:39.09 | jelly | Downer: currently installed versions of key packages like dpkg libc6 base-files will point to the release closest to whatever your system is running |
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| 15:40.17 | jelly | Downer: keeping an alias like "stable" or "testing in sources is a horrible idea. It was sadly a default for many years, fixed around Debian 6 or so |
| 15:40.33 | Roland- | ah yes and another reason vimpulse, rack space is expensive. |
| 15:40.36 | vimpulse | Roland-: Fair. |
| 15:40.36 | vimpulse | Roland-: Who knows? Maybe you can indeed fix your problem by switching packages around. Have you ever tried virtualbox? It's been in Debian for years now. |
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| 15:40.55 | Downer | jelly: yeah, i understand. this server is from that time |
| 15:41.07 | Roland- | I would love to use virtualbox but this is a server and requires some features that are not available |
| 15:41.18 | vimpulse | Roland-: Which? |
| 15:41.30 | Downer | jelly: i'll put stretch in there instead and it will be sorted in a year or so :) |
| 15:41.44 | vimpulse | Downer: OK, let us know once you've done so! |
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| 15:42.08 | vimpulse | Downer: (I don't mean let us know once a year has passed. Instead, I mean let us know once the config change is done.) |
| 15:42.18 | jelly | Downer: "stretch" is not a good idea if your installation is closer to squeeze or wheezy or jessie |
| 15:42.58 | jelly | Downer: pastebin the output of, say, "dpkg -l dpkg apt base-files libc6 libssl\*" |
| 15:43.16 | vimpulse | hron84: Come join me in #debian-offtopic perhaps? |
| 15:43.19 | Roland- | live migration with fencing, failover, etc |
| 15:43.28 | vimpulse | Roland-: Fair. |
| 15:43.41 | Downer | ii apt 1.3.1 amd64 commandline package manager |
| 15:43.44 | Downer | ii base-files 9.6 amd64 Debian base system miscellaneous files |
| 15:43.47 | Downer | ii dpkg 1.18.10 amd64 Debian package management system |
| 15:43.50 | Roland- | I will see if newer qemu does something |
| 15:43.51 | Downer | ii libc6:amd64 2.24-5 amd64 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 15:43.54 | Downer | un libssl <none> <none> (no description available) |
| 15:43.56 | Downer | ii libssl-dev:amd64 1.0.2j-1 amd64 Secure Sockets Layer toolkit - development files |
| 15:43.59 | Downer | ii libssl-doc 1.0.2j-1 all Secure Sockets Layer toolkit - development documentation |
| 15:44.00 | teraflops | Downer: stop |
| 15:44.03 | Downer | rc libssl0.9.8 0.9.8o-7 amd64 SSL shared libraries |
| 15:44.06 | Downer | un libssl096-dev <none> <none> (no description available) |
| 15:44.09 | Downer | ii libssl1.0.0:amd64 1.0.2d-1 amd64 Secure Sockets Layer toolkit - shared libraries |
| 15:44.11 | teraflops | !kick Downer |
| 15:44.11 | dpkg | kicks Downer in the ass. |
| 15:44.12 | Downer | ii libssl1.0.2:amd64 1.0.2j-1 amd64 Secure Sockets Layer toolkit - shared libraries |
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| 15:44.20 | Downer | whops :) |
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| 15:44.36 | teraflops | use http://paste.debian.net please |
| 15:44.50 | Downer | teraflops: yeah, sorry about that. |
| 15:44.52 | greycat | I think we have enough info that he doesn't need to repeat it again on paste.debian.net. |
| 15:44.53 | teraflops | np |
| 15:44.58 | teraflops | hehe |
| 15:45.13 | greycat | "stretch" is the best fit for him. |
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| 15:45.14 | jelly | that's ruined enogh to be called stretch |
| 15:45.23 | n4dir | Roland-: you might wanna thing about what greycat said (So yes, you can try the jessie-backports version, but "throwing larger numbers at it" rarely solves problems.) |
| 15:45.24 | Downer | :) |
| 15:45.34 | Downer | thanks guys |
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| 15:46.39 | jelly | the fact there used to be a libssl0.9.8 >= 0.9.8o-5~ installed means the system used "testing" back when _wheezy_ was testing |
| 15:46.45 | Roland- | well if it's not that then it's very hard for me to troubleshoot. |
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| 15:47.30 | Downer | jelly: hah, well yeah. its been a while |
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| 15:49.16 | n4dir | Roland-: if it isn't a problem which is known to exist in one version and not in the other ... i guess you got my point. (Not saying i wouldn't try it myself) |
| 15:51.30 | hron84 | vimpulse: if you wanna talk about why i don't hire an accountant for a single question, not. If you have a solution for my problem, yes. |
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| 15:53.03 | vimpulse | hron84: All I say is, you are invited there. |
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| 15:57.53 | Roland- | well I have two hosts serving the same machine, one centos and one debian, centos runs fine, debian hangs. same exact servers/specs (dell r330) |
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| 15:59.38 | petemc | Roland-: serving what? hanging how? |
| 15:59.53 | greycat | 10:34 Roland-> host os is debian jessie, guest is server 2012 r2 |
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| 16:01.24 | Roland- | simply hangs, and I have to virsh reset it |
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| 16:09.25 | vimpulse | hron84: Please ask me for permission before private messaging! |
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| 16:19.36 | exaways | Hello. I am still having troubles getting debian working. The installation worked fine except for the bootloader. The installer gave me no clues why it failed to install grub. - I can boot debian live. - I would like to install grub manually but in the bootsequence _after_ refind. Of course I googled. Found to much info. confused I am now. |
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| 16:32.07 | exaways | So following this: |
| 16:32.07 | exaways | https://wiki.debian.org/IntelMac/BootLoader |
| 16:32.07 | exaways | I should use that: |
| 16:32.07 | exaways | https://packages.debian.org/jessie/grub-pc |
| 16:32.07 | exaways | Is this correct? |
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| 16:47.20 | dm_comp | So I on the packages page of debian and I see "dep: libacl1 (>= 2.2.51-8) [not hurd-i386, kfreebsd-amd64, kfreebsd-i386]". not sure the meaning of "not hurd-i386" |
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| 16:47.54 | greycat | My first guess: "not" applies to the entire list, not just the first item in the list. |
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| 16:56.08 | dm_comp | nevermind, I see :) |
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| 17:08.48 | rafalcpp | I'm trying to confirm, is there really a limit of ~ 0.5 Gbps even on localhost, on sending from userspace program data in 1K packets |
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| 17:46.38 | squigz | missmbob: hey, just figured I'd fill you in on what happened: installed jessie, initially my VGA display wasn't working again, however after installing firmware-linux-nonfree, it started working. Not sure what happened before, I guess I must've missed that package... :P Thanks for all your help |
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| 18:36.34 | gebruiker | is there an easy way to install XAMPP on debian jessie using apt-get? |
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| 18:39.57 | somiaj | gebruiker: I don't know what XAMPP is and not getting any results with apt-cache search xampp. If a package is not provided by the debian repo, it will take some work as you will have to either compile it yourself or find a thrid party repo, which usually are not designed for debian so be careful. |
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| 18:41.55 | gebruiker | somiaj: https://www.apachefriends.org/index.html |
| 18:42.37 | greycat | If it's an apache module, you probably need to install some apache -dev package in order to build it. |
| 18:42.56 | somiaj | it is some wrapper, just isntall apache + php + mariadb (the perl will be in the base) |
| 18:43.21 | somiaj | debian provides all the packages listed, it just provide them in some unified installer. |
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| 18:45.15 | somiaj | I personally wouldn't install what you linked due to security concerns. Use the packages provided by debian, you may just have to do a little extra work to integrate them into your server. |
| 18:46.08 | greycat | oh, there's a factoid |
| 18:46.09 | greycat | !xampp |
| 18:46.10 | dpkg | XAMPP for Linux (formerly LAMPP) is a way of installing lots of software that is already packaged for Debian. Don't use XAMPP, instead use aptitude install apache2 php5 libapache2-mod-php5 php5-mysql mysql-server gettext perl libapache2-mod-perl2 sqlite webalizer mcrypt expat proftpd libpng3 libjpeg62 ... actually, just ask me about <search>. |
| 18:46.13 | gebruiker | yeah that makes sense |
| 18:46.40 | somiaj | seems that factoid is a little otudated, you can choose to use mysql or mariadb in debian. |
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| 19:09.12 | Kobaz | hey... how would i install hplip without also bringing in systemd ? |
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| 19:13.46 | jelly | Kobaz: it shouldn't bring in systemd at all, if you have sysvinit in place it ought to pick systemd-shim instead |
| 19:13.53 | jelly | !bat |
| 19:13.54 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 19:14.15 | jelly | Kobaz: pastebin the whole output of apt-get -s install hplip |
| 19:14.52 | Kobaz | apt-get install hplip The following extra packages will be installed: libpam-systemd libpolkit-agent-1-0 libpolkit-backend-1-0 libpolkit-gobject-1-0 libsystemd0 policykit-1 printer-driver-postscript-hp systemd |
| 19:14.53 | Kobaz | k |
| 19:14.54 | jelly | Kobaz: your OS is debian 8 (jessie), right? |
| 19:14.57 | Kobaz | jessie |
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| 19:15.24 | greycat | What procedure did you use to opt out of systemd? |
| 19:15.34 | Kobaz | apt-get install sysvinit |
| 19:15.38 | Kobaz | and apt-get remove all the systemd* stuff |
| 19:15.47 | greycat | That's not how you do it. |
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| 19:15.56 | greycat | !jessie sysvinit |
| 19:15.57 | dpkg | To use an init system other than systemd in jessie, install the systemd-shim package (for logind) and remove the systemd-sysv package: aptitude install systemd-shim sysvinit-core systemd-sysv-. To stick with sysvinit for wheezy->jessie upgrades, follow the pinning advice in the release notes: http://deb.li/30Kby - See also <upstart> and <openrc> |
| 19:15.59 | Kobaz | http://pastebin.com/nQeaxcZX |
| 19:16.42 | jelly | that's not the complete ouput |
| 19:17.02 | Kobaz | okay so the shim is what i want |
| 19:17.04 | Kobaz | okay that works |
| 19:17.17 | Kobaz | yay, i can print again |
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| 20:20.06 | gebruiker | How do I reconfigure fstab the debian way? - During install i selected noatime, but I do not prefer this mode, so I removed it from /etc/fstab. After a reboot I see that noatime is not used anymore, through mount | grep sda. However, i remember that the option default used to be in there too from other times when I installed debian jessie - what is going on here? |
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| 20:21.44 | greycat | Just edit the file. |
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| 20:39.46 | Zambezi | I know it's Sid but I don't have Xorg working. Console only. Keyboard and mouse stopped working after last full-upgrade. Anyone have an idea how to solve? |
| 20:40.24 | gebruiker | tried dpkg-reconfigure ? |
| 20:41.23 | Zambezi | gebruiker: That's what I tried to find. Thought it was something with xorg. Forgot to start Irssi in screen. Brb. |
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| 20:43.18 | gebruiker | dpkg -l | grep xorg to check if all is installed, then try dpkg-reconfigure xorg |
| 20:43.18 | dpkg | ii | grep xorg to check if all is installed, then try dpkg-reconfigure xorg 2.5-1.1 gebruiker's private warez collection |
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| 20:46.56 | Zambezi | gebruiker: dkpg-reconfigure and then? Cause I need to specify it more. I really need this up and running asap. |
| 20:47.35 | gebruiker | dpkg-reconfigure xorg |
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| 20:49.21 | Zambezi | gebruiker: Didn't help. " |
| 20:49.40 | gebruiker | dpkg -l | grep xorg |
| 20:49.40 | dpkg | ii | grep xorg 2.5-1.1 gebruiker's private warez collection |
| 20:49.47 | gebruiker | does that show it is installed? |
| 20:50.02 | scripted_p0ison | no |
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| 20:50.21 | scripted_p0ison | warez? |
| 20:51.19 | Zambezi | gebruiker: Yes. But no output. I have xserver-xorg installed. Last time I solved this by uninstall everything with nvida, nouveau etc. |
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| 20:51.59 | gebruiker | Zambezi: what errors do you find in /var/log - there should be a file with Xorg* something there |
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| 20:54.23 | jim | hi... I'm trying to install debian on a kvm/qemu guest on a machine with an i5.... the issue is storage, and I'm trying to use virt-manager to set up a vg that the installer would pick up... or does that have to be done differently?is there a particular driver I need? |
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| 20:55.52 | Zambezi | gebruiker: It seems Nvidia can't find any screens. I'm purging everything with Nvidia now. See if that helps using Nouveau as a quick fix. |
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| 20:56.54 | Zambezi | gebruiker: I'll be back tomorrow. Need to reboot. |
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| 20:57.47 | gebruiker | Zambezi: try stopping any grapical login manager. Followed by: cd /etc/X11/ ; Xorg -configure |
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| 20:57.58 | gebruiker | ( if your suggestion does not work ) |
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| 21:14.54 | converge | I have the default mysql in jessie (5.5.53). but I need 5.6 or newer, whats the best way to upgrade ? |
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| 21:15.41 | gebruiker | converge: see if the version you are looking for is available in backports |
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| 21:16.17 | gebruiker | dpkg tell converge about backports |
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| 21:16.31 | gebruiker | !backports mysql |
| 21:16.59 | Rortech | hey guys had a question, debian KDE says no bluetooth adapter found but all the other distros let me use bluetooth |
| 21:17.33 | greycat | ,v mysql-server-5.6 |
| 21:17.34 | judd | Package: mysql-server-5.6 on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 5.6.30-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 5.6.30-1; sid: 5.6.30-1 |
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| 21:18.27 | Rortech | Debian so far has been the best but this bluetooth problem bites the big one |
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| 21:19.39 | converge | gebruiker, greycat, thanks! |
| 21:21.03 | gebruiker | Rortech: have you installed the bluetooth package and is it started ? What messages can you find in dmesg or in other appropiate logs in /var/log ? |
| 21:21.29 | gebruiker | also is bluedevil installed? |
| 21:21.31 | Rortech | I installed the Bluedevil package |
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| 21:21.57 | Rortech | I have not checked logs yet but when I turn on pc bluetooth patch fails |
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| 21:22.19 | Rortech | Have not restarted since Bluedevil though |
| 21:22.46 | gebruiker | Rortech: wiki.debian says X-window restart is required for paring pop-up |
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| 21:23.15 | Rortech | oh ok... will restart, silly me I should have done that in the first place... thanks |
| 21:23.32 | Rortech | lol will relog to let ya know |
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| 21:24.22 | DammitJim | Man, I don't even know where to ask this question... someone changed their last name in my company, so we changed his name in AD |
| 21:24.48 | DammitJim | I have a file server running Debian with Samba, winbind, pam, etc to join the domain |
| 21:25.07 | DammitJim | for some reason, I can't mount a samba share from this server |
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| 21:25.23 | DammitJim | when I look at permissions for the folder, it shows the old userid and not the new one |
| 21:25.39 | DammitJim | how do I update whatever database there is to reflect the changes and being able to mount it? |
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| 21:27.43 | Rortech | nope says no adapters found... when restarting it says Bluetooth: failed to load patchfile |
| 21:28.01 | greycat | If you're looking at the directory with ls -l then you need to change the account's name in /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow and possibly /etc/group |
| 21:28.13 | greycat | Or whatever you use in place of those things. |
| 21:29.19 | DammitJim | greycat, this user is in AD, not in passwd or group |
| 21:30.00 | greycat | Sounds like voodoo. |
| 21:30.12 | greycat | What *does* ls -ld show on the directory? |
| 21:31.24 | gebruiker | Rortech: what does "hcitool dev" say? |
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| 21:31.39 | DammitJim | drwxrwx---+ 11 kz domain users 4096 Nov 21 13:40 . |
| 21:31.55 | greycat | ETOOMANYFIELDS |
| 21:32.11 | Rortech | nothing |
| 21:32.25 | Rortech | Devices: |
| 21:32.45 | greycat | If your Active Directory username has a SPACE in it, then I don't even know what. |
| 21:33.21 | gebruiker | Rortech: i am going trhough https://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser - have you read it ? |
| 21:33.40 | DammitJim | the interesting thing (if you think it's interesting) is that wbinfi -i zk returns her old username info: |
| 21:33.58 | Rortech | I have not but I will spend some time on there.. thanks for the link |
| 21:34.02 | DammitJim | ks:*:17642:10513::/home/DOMAIN/ks:/bin/bash |
| 21:34.31 | Rortech | if all else fails it's no big deal this is the first distro that works flawlessly for me |
| 21:34.45 | Rortech | well off to do some reading |
| 21:34.55 | gebruiker | Rortech: good luck |
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| 21:37.01 | gebruiker | Rortech: you have a point of lift off, the device is not recognized. Start by check with lsmod has the right modules loaded - also systemctl to enable and start bluetooth |
| 21:37.33 | Rortech | yup daemon is running |
| 21:37.40 | Rortech | im reading up now |
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| 21:43.57 | Rortech | My bluetooth dev must not have been properly installed but it's all good don't want to deal with it. I have speakers ;) |
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| 21:46.17 | Rortech | Finally have a good distro that works properly sound bar with movies is least of my worries lol |
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| 21:53.38 | unborn | Rortech: you mean your speakers wont pair or something? |
| 21:54.12 | unborn | or is it pair okay but wont connect to it? |
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| 21:56.33 | Rortech | no I only use blutooth so I can watch movies using soundbar... you know movie theatre effect. The bluetooth settings say that there are no bluetooth adapters and using the terminal I'm not finding a bluetooth device |
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| 21:57.03 | Rortech | I can still use my laptop speakers so it's no big deal at all... |
| 21:57.33 | Rortech | I guess what I'm saying is I can not even turn on bluetooth because it's not finding a device |
| 21:57.48 | unborn | ou i see.. on my dell laptop I had to enable bluetooth in bios |
| 21:58.10 | Rortech | By starting the daemon |
| 21:58.13 | Rortech | ? |
| 21:58.17 | Rortech | I'm on a dell |
| 21:58.50 | unborn | what dell you have if I may ask? |
| 21:59.08 | Rortech | Inspiron 15 |
| 21:59.16 | Rortech | 3000 series I think |
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| 22:00.01 | unborn | ah well.. i am on e6 something, but never mind try to have look in bios.. all my laptops are e series and they can have bluetooth disabled in bios |
| 22:00.11 | unborn | so maybe yours is disabled there? |
| 22:00.24 | Rortech | never even seen it there |
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| 22:01.02 | Rortech | This is the only distro where it's not working after install but this is the best distro so far for my laptop anyway so I dont know |
| 22:01.16 | Rortech | It's all good |
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| 22:01.43 | Rortech | I'm really liking Debian |
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| 22:02.14 | Rortech | I was like why am I using distros based on debian when I could just use debian wake up lol |
| 22:02.35 | Rortech | seems like everything stems from here |
| 22:02.37 | unborn | Rortech: one last question :) are you connected via wifi or eth? |
| 22:02.41 | unborn | aka cable |
| 22:02.42 | unborn | ? |
| 22:02.46 | Rortech | wifi |
| 22:02.57 | unborn | yeah so your bluetooth should work then |
| 22:03.41 | Rortech | I'll get figured out in due time like I said I only use for soundbar and I have speakers |
| 22:03.49 | unborn | I dont see bluetooth device in terminal as well.. perhaps I use wrong command eh |
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| 22:04.44 | Rortech | hcitool dev |
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| 22:06.31 | unborn | ah |
| 22:06.38 | unborn | yeah god mac address of it |
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| 22:06.45 | unborn | aka: hci1A0:A8:CD:28:61:48 |
| 22:07.21 | Rortech | so my device prob didnt install right |
| 22:08.20 | Rortech | It's cool though I think I have an audio cable |
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| 22:08.47 | Rortech | well I'll be back later on I'm gonna watch the new tarzan movie |
| 22:08.52 | Rortech | Later guys |
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| 22:21.40 | kevr | Hello. I'm trying to setup PostfixAdmin. So, I've got it up, but I can't find documentation on how i'm supposed to be adding domains or users |
| 22:21.45 | kevr | so i'm a bit confused unfortunately |
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| 22:51.53 | teraflops | sl4v3: what kind of love? |
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| 22:53.46 | sl4v3 | teraflops: all the love. ;) |
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| 22:55.34 | teraflops | hehe |
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| 22:56.17 | sl4v3 | teraflops: i'd elaborate, but i'd be labeled a petulence and eros banned. |
| 22:56.35 | teraflops | fair enough |
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| 23:10.24 | stephanie92 | johnkeates: lmao |
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| 23:46.43 | orlock | getting this after the file was updated yesterday. Easy fix, just.. WTF? |
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| 23:47.59 | OverCoder | Hey guys |
| 23:47.59 | orlock | Never mind, other admin |
| 23:48.03 | OverCoder | I have a quick question |
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| 23:48.11 | missmbob | orlock: usedns goes to sshd_config not ssh_config |
| 23:48.11 | OverCoder | How much RAM does an average Debian installation uses? |
| 23:48.31 | OverCoder | Currently I use Mint and it seems like to use someting like 600 MiB of RAM and 400 MiB of swap with nothing open |
| 23:48.36 | OverCoder | I use Cinnamon |
| 23:48.54 | OverCoder | I like my OS but my RAM is very limited, so I am asking perhaps installing Debian can improve performance |
| 23:49.58 | missmbob | OverCoder: doesnt really matter. in linux the kernel is set to use as much ram as it can as cache. that doesnt mean the ram is unavailable. if the system needs it it'll clear the cache for it to use. |
| 23:50.19 | OverCoder | I understand |
| 23:50.31 | OverCoder | But if an internal app uses more ram, then it just uses it |
| 23:50.50 | OverCoder | I mean I'm speaking about the actual *used* memory, aside from cached memory |
| 23:51.30 | missmbob | there is no "average" because of so many options. there isn't even a set desktop. i'm using xfce which will use less than gnome or kde, for example |
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| 23:52.11 | OverCoder | well how much RAM your exact installation uses with everything closed? |
| 23:52.34 | OverCoder | because I'll probably be using xfce or very unlikely lxde if I install Debian |
| 23:53.49 | missmbob | OverCoder: i'm at around 290M |
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| 23:54.03 | OverCoder | heck that's so nice compared to mine |
| 23:54.08 | petemc | i find linux uses 23% |
| 23:54.35 | OverCoder | Okay which ISO image do I need to download? what's the difference between the DVD and the CD image? |
| 23:54.48 | missmbob | OverCoder: do you need firmware for wifi for example? |
| 23:54.55 | OverCoder | I'm considering live installation as well tho |
| 23:55.06 | OverCoder | firmware for wifi? you mean a driver? yeah? |
| 23:55.13 | missmbob | dont use live. has many bugs and doesnt support uefi |
| 23:55.20 | missmbob | !firmware iso |
| 23:55.21 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
| 23:55.23 | missmbob | use that ^ |
| 23:55.57 | OverCoder | oo, ok |
| 23:56.01 | OverCoder | also /me clicks |
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| 23:57.11 | petemc | grep "MemTotal\|Swap\|Commit" /proc/meminfo |
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| 23:58.01 | n4dir | Not that sure if installing a DE during installation will end up using more memory than installing the DE after installation without all the loving from tasksel |
| 23:58.27 | n4dir | Anyway: i did it always after installation and with Debian usually booted to 70 MB for xfce |
| 23:59.04 | n4dir | ^^ OverCoder |