| 00:01.08 | CuteMeOwnThroat | means your toaster has problems running it |
| 00:01.37 | missmbob | hell we landed on the moon with toaster power. that's more than enough |
| 00:05.29 | missmbob | CuteMeOwnThroat: i passed out. did tha kayla person ever figure out the tls problem? |
| 00:05.33 | missmbob | damn |
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| 00:50.12 | moon2 | lol |
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| 00:55.45 | awal1 | ops! moon2 trolling |
| 00:55.56 | awal1 | !ops moon2 trolling |
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| 01:19.04 | Sloyment | Hi, I really need GTK1. Is there an easy way to install Debian 4.0 and chroot into it? |
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| 01:24.08 | asulil | hi all |
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| 01:24.19 | Texou | GTK1??? :) oh... |
| 01:24.29 | asulil | does anyone here who is familiar with testdisk ? |
| 01:24.36 | Texou | chroot is always possible I guess |
| 01:25.43 | Sloyment | Yes, but can I do a network installation, or do I have to download all DVD images? |
| 01:26.29 | awal1 | asulil, what's your exact question? |
| 01:27.19 | Texou | Sloyment: not used to do chroot but I guess net install is enough |
| 01:27.33 | Texou | also xou can install with debootstrap I think |
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| 01:28.46 | missmbob | Sloyment: no you cant do net install. none of the mirrors have the packages available |
| 01:29.03 | Texou | oops |
| 01:29.09 | missmbob | Sloyment: download the cd iso or use jidgo to make a dvd |
| 01:29.12 | missmbob | jigdo* |
| 01:29.29 | missmbob | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/4.0_r9/amd64/jigdo-dvd/debian-40r9-amd64-DVD-1.jigdo |
| 01:30.39 | Hello71 | what do you mean "none of the mirrors have the packages available", doesn't it just use apt |
| 01:30.59 | missmbob | they're archived |
| 01:31.17 | Texou | oh indeed! |
| 01:31.22 | Texou | I had not thought of it |
| 01:31.41 | Texou | GTK1 may be 20 years |
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| 01:33.11 | Sloyment | I need to run a program that uses GTK1. There is an inofficial GTK2 port, but its slow and buggy. |
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| 01:34.25 | Sloyment | Okay, Ill try jigdo to fetch the DVD images, but I might need some help later to install them. :-( |
| 01:34.27 | asulil | awal1: I deleted by error 1 primary partition where I installed debian + 2 extented partitions. I tried with testdisk but it doesn't work. So I wonder how to recover 3 partitions included primary partition at the same time? . Should I began with the primary hda3 first and do same operation for the 2 extended partition hda8+hda9? |
| 01:34.54 | somiaj | Sloyment: there isn't a gtk2-3 alternative? You might be able to install a local version of gtk1. |
| 01:35.23 | Hello71 | oh, I didn't see that part. |
| 01:36.00 | Hello71 | chroot is probably easier |
| 01:36.10 | somiaj | Sloyment: could you do this in a vm, have you seen if you can just debootstrap it from archive.debian.org (unsure how far back they keep binaries around) |
| 01:36.22 | asulil | awal1: does that make sense for you? |
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| 01:36.29 | Hello71 | how are you going to use jigdo if they aren't |
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| 01:36.44 | Texou | Hello71: specifying archive URL |
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| 01:37.20 | Sloyment | There is another problem. The program does not compile anymore, because Debian changed the way the libraries are organised. I would have to fix the makefile, but I dont know how. |
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| 01:38.07 | awal1 | asulil, look at photorec utility for start. |
| 01:38.09 | Texou | all the more with gcc upgrades |
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| 01:38.16 | awal1 | how you deleted them? |
| 01:40.14 | Hello71 | Texou: so... how is that different with debootstrap |
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| 01:40.43 | Texou | Hello71: it isn't. It's different from net install however. |
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| 01:41.03 | Texou | Hello71: and it's less long as you specify iso archive url |
| 01:41.10 | Texou | not repo to install |
| 01:41.12 | awal1 | asulil, photorec is easy to use, if your goal is to recover files and some data, just check the manual; but i'm not really familiar with the phorensic side of testdisk it self |
| 01:41.35 | Hello71 | Texou: uh.. but then you have to actually install an ISO |
| 01:41.46 | Texou | yep |
| 01:41.56 | Texou | but less impossible than net |
| 01:42.48 | Hello71 | uh... I mean, you could also manually download the debs, unar, untar, but why make it harder |
| 01:43.16 | Texou | probably not to handle dependencies and order of installed packages |
| 01:43.44 | awal1 | asulil, if you have formated those partitions, it will be a bit hard to recover, and you need an external drive where to recover, bcuz photorec will recover it all, if possible, including stuff installed before your debian |
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| 01:44.56 | awal1 | but sometimes jus not possible to recover at all bcuz of successive formatting |
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| 01:47.04 | awal1 | i meant an external drive with a big size |
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| 01:52.36 | Hello71 | "successive formatting" doesn't overwrite more data than doing it once |
| 01:54.03 | mingdao | does anyone know how to add rxvt-unicode in Tails? can you install software once booted? |
| 01:55.01 | Hello71 | !deriv |
| 01:55.02 | Scourje | Yes |
| 01:55.04 | Hello71 | !derivatives |
| 01:55.04 | dpkg | well, derivatives is <Knoppix>, <Ubuntu>, <Libranet>, <Corel>/<Xandros>, <Stormix>, <Progeny>, <Linspire>, <DamnSmallLinux>, <Kurumin>, <Agnula>, <Xebian> and many others, or see http://mako.cc/talks/20050418-customizing_debian/customizing_debian_slides/img1.html, or ask me about <dfd>, <cdd> |
| 01:55.08 | Hello71 | grumbles |
| 01:55.34 | Hello71 | !based on debian |
| 01:55.35 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 01:56.38 | awal1 | Hello71, not always true. sometimes it depends on the number and intensity of the "passes", i dont know it's called in english |
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| 01:59.28 | missmbob | arent you canadian? :P |
| 02:00.00 | awal1 | :) yeah, but non english spoken |
| 02:00.43 | missmbob | ...think you know someone |
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| 02:08.11 | asulil | awal1: ok, I never use photorec either. I'll take a look. anyway thank you |
| 02:09.19 | awal1 | asulil: photorec is a testdisk utility, included in testdisk yet |
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| 02:15.11 | patterson | More thaan oe pass is just peculiar |
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| 02:16.06 | Hello71 | unless you're taking the disk apart, the "number of passes" has no difference |
| 02:16.09 | patterson | dban |
| 02:16.11 | Hello71 | and idfk what "intensity of pass" means |
| 02:16.20 | patterson | Nuttin honey |
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| 02:16.52 | mueddib | hello all |
| 02:16.59 | mueddib | my debian is jessie |
| 02:17.18 | mueddib | but I don't understand, I run apt-get update apt-get upgrade apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 02:17.36 | mueddib | this kernel version 3.16.0*4 |
| 02:17.48 | mueddib | dirty cow exploit is work |
| 02:17.54 | mueddib | what can I do? |
| 02:17.59 | Hello71 | did you reboot |
| 02:18.04 | mueddib | I'm reboot |
| 02:18.12 | mueddib | I check linux-image |
| 02:18.22 | Hello71 | uname -a |
| 02:18.23 | mueddib | apt-cache search linux-image-* |
| 02:18.33 | mueddib | only 3.16.0 |
| 02:18.46 | missmbob | that is the updated kernel. there's nothing to do |
| 02:18.56 | mueddib | Linux 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.36-1+deb8u2 (2016-10-19) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 02:19.25 | Texou | maybe try backports? |
| 02:19.36 | mueddib | I tested and dirty cow work :( |
| 02:19.51 | Texou | are you sure it's fixed upstream? |
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| 02:19.59 | mueddib | yes |
| 02:20.05 | Texou | what release? |
| 02:20.10 | mueddib | jessie |
| 02:20.19 | Texou | no, what release fixes the bug? |
| 02:20.44 | Texou | what kernel release is expected not to have the security bug? |
| 02:21.05 | mueddib | hm I don't now |
| 02:21.19 | Texou | hmm |
| 02:21.44 | Texou | how do you know the problem is fixed upstream? |
| 02:22.09 | awal1 | Hello71, it means nuttin honey, as patterson said ;) |
| 02:22.21 | awal1 | voll-damm time , here :P |
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| 02:22.35 | missmbob | dirty cow is fixed in that kernel. how many times do i have to say it before you actually listen? https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2016-5195 |
| 02:22.45 | missmbob | see? u2 has it "fixed" |
| 02:23.25 | mueddib | https://jpst.it/PPjm |
| 02:23.39 | Texou | mueddib: are you sure your security repos are active? |
| 02:23.46 | missmbob | jesus |
| 02:24.10 | mueddib | yes Texou, I install dirtycow code and I use gcc code.c -o code |
| 02:24.13 | mueddib | and I tested |
| 02:24.24 | mueddib | so |
| 02:24.39 | mueddib | jessie 3.16.36-1+deb8u1 vulnerable |
| 02:24.50 | missmbob | u1 is, yes. u2 is not |
| 02:24.58 | mueddib | what is the command install to 3.16.36-1+deb8u2 ? |
| 02:24.59 | missmbob | you said you had 3.16.36-1+deb8u2 |
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| 02:25.11 | Texou | mueddib: here I've deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main |
| 02:25.12 | missmbob | this cant be for real |
| 02:25.21 | Texou | I guess you can replace stretch with jessie |
| 02:25.24 | missmbob | Texou: security with "stretch" does nothing |
| 02:25.32 | missmbob | it's the blind helping the blind. |
| 02:25.38 | mueddib | hmm, |
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| 02:25.40 | missmbob | gives up. drink time |
| 02:25.48 | mueddib | Linux 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.36-1+deb8u2 (2016-10-19) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 02:25.54 | mueddib | I use deb8u2 |
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| 02:26.00 | mueddib | but dirtycow working? |
| 02:26.02 | mueddib | :) |
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| 02:26.18 | Texou | mueddib: try adding the line above for jessie I think |
| 02:26.37 | Texou | missmbob: a b;ind can help a blind you know :) |
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| 02:26.50 | Texou | missmbob: if he knows the way or the environment ^^ |
| 02:27.06 | mueddib | Texou what line? sorry, I use to bitchx only console and I dont see top lines |
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| 02:27.16 | missmbob | you have u2* :*( you're making me cry |
| 02:27.34 | missmbob | you use bitchx? the most hackable irc client in the world right now? and you're telling people? |
| 02:27.36 | mueddib | missmbob yes I use u2 and dirty cow work |
| 02:27.42 | Texou | mueddib: deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main |
| 02:27.50 | ward_ | http://hydraf53r77hxxft.onion/ |
| 02:28.26 | mueddib | missmbob, bitchx is hackable? |
| 02:28.32 | mueddib | hehe :) |
| 02:28.48 | mueddib | Texou, did you see my sources.list? |
| 02:28.59 | missmbob | !bitchx |
| 02:28.59 | dpkg | i heard bitchx is an old and unmaintained <IRC> client built on epic and ircII. It was abandoned by its upstream, has known security issues, and was removed from Debian post-Etch to resolve bug #451373. Ask me about <irssi>, <hexchat>, <konversation>, <weechat> for alternatives. To ignore BitchX quit messages in irssi, ask me about <literal bitchxignore>. |
| 02:29.03 | missmbob | yes, it's quite hackable |
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| 02:29.11 | Texou | oops I missed the line |
| 02:29.30 | missmbob | and yes, i saw your sources. and you already had security. which is why you have u2. you wouldnt have u2 without sources.list being correct |
| 02:29.51 | mueddib | missmbob, okay hack me please. I use bitchx. |
| 02:30.14 | missmbob | yes, i'll break the law and channel policy because you're being stupid |
| 02:30.27 | Texou | :D |
| 02:30.30 | nano_python | This chat is real spicy tonight. |
| 02:30.51 | mueddib | missmbob, yes I have deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free |
| 02:30.53 | patterson | It's the left over Holiday bots |
| 02:31.03 | mueddib | my kernel version u2 but dirty cow work |
| 02:31.06 | mueddib | this is problem |
| 02:31.26 | mueddib | missmbob, bitchx is secure and not hackable |
| 02:31.53 | patterson | Pretty much anythinng is givenn ennough time ad resources |
| 02:32.19 | missmbob | their bugs and exploits are very public. you dont need time and resourcces |
| 02:32.28 | patterson | Oh good. |
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| 02:33.09 | mueddib | missmbob, I'm a newbie bitchx coder and I coded and check bitchx source code. |
| 02:33.12 | mueddib | this is very secure |
| 02:33.27 | missmbob | i trust you over CVE. i do. |
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| 02:38.20 | mueddib | missmbob, https://github.com/BitchX/BitchX1.3 |
| 02:39.10 | missmbob | fancy. github of over 4 years ago. you proved your point. |
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| 02:39.35 | mueddib | missmbob, I check and code localy, my irc client is very secure. |
| 02:40.04 | mueddib | I use bitchx, mutt, emacs, gnus, mplayer, vifm, bla, bla |
| 02:40.06 | missmbob | i know. you're a better judge than security experts. btw you can't figure out u2 has dirty cow fixed. |
| 02:40.11 | missmbob | but* |
| 02:40.13 | mueddib | I check all my use programs. |
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| 02:40.46 | mueddib | missmbob, I'm not secure expert but I use u2 and u2 not fixed, are you understand? |
| 02:41.30 | mueddib | so, I very liked to use debian a natural, not changed. |
| 02:41.37 | mueddib | I use gentoo, freebsd, bla bla. |
| 02:42.07 | mueddib | and not problem I push last linux-next kernel and compiled. |
| 02:42.22 | mueddib | this problem, Debian u2 default linux-image and not fixed? |
| 02:43.25 | mueddib | and I have a question; I use debian, I use latest kernel, I updated my sources and I use upgrade dist-upgrade so why run dirtycow script to my latest update debian system? |
| 02:43.30 | mueddib | basicly questions :) |
| 02:44.03 | themill | mueddib: you've already had that question answered a few times now. |
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| 02:44.37 | Texou | mueddib: feel free reporting a bug if you are sure |
| 02:44.48 | mueddib | Texou, okay thanks |
| 02:44.51 | nano_python | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernelReportingBugs |
| 02:44.53 | mueddib | I report now. |
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| 02:45.02 | themill | mueddib: please don't.... |
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| 03:04.01 | ksft | I can't connect to wifi on Debian 8.5. |
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| 03:04.21 | ksft | I have a Broadcom 4352 network hardware thing |
| 03:05.16 | missmbob | ,i broadcom-sta-dkms |
| 03:05.17 | judd | Package broadcom-sta-dkms (non-free/kernel, optional) in jessie/amd64: dkms source for the Broadcom STA Wireless driver. Version: 6.30.223.248-3; Size: 2119.0k; Installed: 14108k; Homepage: http://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.php |
| 03:05.28 | missmbob | that supports 4352 |
| 03:05.52 | ksft | missmbob: I have that installed |
| 03:06.01 | missmbob | try the one from jessie-backports |
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| 03:06.26 | missmbob | you have your kernel headers installed, right? |
| 03:06.34 | ksft | I don't know |
| 03:06.35 | missmbob | if not apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 03:06.42 | missmbob | you need that for dkms anything to work |
| 03:07.06 | ksft | yes, that's installed already |
| 03:07.30 | ksft | how do I install it from jessie-backports? |
| 03:07.37 | ksft | apt-get -t something? |
| 03:07.52 | missmbob | -t jessie-backports *ASSUMING* you have jessie-backports in your sources.list |
| 03:08.02 | ksft | pretty sure it's there |
| 03:08.32 | missmbob | yeah i love being pretty sure and not checking things |
| 03:08.38 | ksft | fine |
| 03:08.58 | ksft | deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian jessie-backports main contrib non-free |
| 03:09.03 | ksft | that's it, right? |
| 03:09.12 | missmbob | yes |
| 03:09.16 | ksft | great |
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| 03:09.34 | ksft | "Command line option 't' [from -t] is not known." |
| 03:09.43 | ksft | does that not work with apt-get? |
| 03:09.58 | missmbob | apt-get -t jessie-backports install foo |
| 03:10.18 | ksft | oh, hah |
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| 03:10.26 | ksft | forgot the 'install' |
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| 03:10.44 | ksft | it says it's already installed |
| 03:11.29 | ksft | do I have to uninstall it first or something to get it to get the jessie-backports one? |
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| 03:18.03 | awal1 | ksft, you know what -t option means? |
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| 03:20.54 | Sloyment | Well, now I have downloaded and mounted debian-40r9-amd64-DVD-1.iso But debootstrap complains E: Failed getting release signature file file:/mnt/dists/etch/Release.gpg. There is no such file on that disc. |
| 03:25.51 | ksft | awal1: it changes the source to get the package from, right? |
| 03:25.58 | Hello71 | why not just use debootstrap in the first place |
| 03:26.02 | ksft | specifies* |
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| 03:27.35 | awal1 | kfst, yeah. -t is --target-release; it asks apt-get to retrieve x pkg from x release, in your case jessie-backports |
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| 03:28.29 | ksft | how do I check what source a package was installed from? |
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| 03:33.34 | xreal | Hmm, how can I get this to work? SELECT 'A' as public.ST_Geometry; PostGIS is installed to public schema. |
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| 03:35.02 | xreal | fixed it. I am sorry |
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| 03:39.01 | Sloyment | Where are old dists archived? |
| 03:39.46 | Sloyment | Ah, found it |
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| 03:40.01 | Sloyment | http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/ |
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| 03:54.25 | ksft | can anyone help me get wifi working? |
| 03:54.48 | ksft | I'm on Debian 8.5, and I have a Broadcom 4352 |
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| 03:55.01 | ksft | I have broadcom-sta-dkms installed |
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| 04:00.21 | awal1 | ksft, apt-cache policy pkgname is a way |
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| 04:05.34 | Sloyment | Damn ssh -X root@localhost does not work. :-( |
| 04:06.08 | Sloyment | How do I get my chrooted etch to communicate with X? |
| 04:07.15 | Sloyment | Okay, enough for today, Im going to bed |
| 04:07.31 | Sloyment | Good night everyone and thanks for all the help |
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| 04:08.54 | missmbob | Sloyment: you should be able to just explort DISPLAY |
| 04:09.36 | missmbob | export* |
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| 04:12.19 | missmbob | Sloyment: schroot would make this easier for you. |
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| 04:14.21 | Sloyment | Thank you |
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| 04:24.30 | Padawan | What is the debian-mac-stretch-DI-alpha8-amd64-netinst.iso in testing branchs? WHat is that mac? |
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| 04:31.19 | n4dir | Padawan: you got a link? |
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| 04:31.42 | Padawan | nevermind, i got it. |
| 04:32.23 | n4dir | and, what is it? |
| 04:33.20 | Padawan | An iso targeting macintosh machines |
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| 04:33.46 | n4dir | duh. |
| 04:34.20 | Padawan | I did not know linux can be run in macs |
| 04:34.36 | CHVNX | Linux can run *everywhere*... almost. |
| 04:34.42 | Padawan | Apple closing it's hardware and all. |
| 04:35.02 | CHVNX | macbook pros are made for FreeBSD, we all know it. |
| 04:35.05 | CHVNX | You know it. I know it. |
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| 04:36.48 | n4dir | It's even better: LInux (and BSD) also run on the old ppc Macs which as far i know don't get any more updates from Apple. |
| 04:36.50 | asulil | does anyone know if any channel for testdisk or photorec exist? |
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| 04:39.33 | Padawan | Does anybody here run the testing branch? |
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| 04:39.52 | baraba | I do Padawan |
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| 04:40.15 | Padawan | baraba: for how long? |
| 04:40.26 | Padawan | do you mind if i ask you a couple question? |
| 04:40.29 | baraba | maybe 6 months or so |
| 04:40.36 | baraba | I mean the current testing |
| 04:40.46 | baraba | I generally always use the testing branch |
| 04:40.49 | Padawan | yeah, the strech release |
| 04:40.58 | baraba | yeah, shoot |
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| 04:41.25 | Padawan | So for how long have you being using the strech releases, not just the current one |
| 04:41.44 | Padawan | As i understand it is a rolling release, right |
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| 04:42.10 | baraba | stretch is the current testing |
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| 04:42.14 | asulil | any clue guys? |
| 04:42.21 | baraba | jessie was previous testing, and now it's stable |
| 04:42.32 | baraba | i've been running testing for years, Padawan |
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| 04:42.39 | Padawan | asulil: /msg alis list regex search for terms |
| 04:42.58 | Padawan | baraba: Does it brake now and then for you? |
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| 04:43.47 | baraba | nothing too bad |
| 04:43.58 | Padawan | like need to format or anything |
| 04:44.01 | missmbob | Padawan: stretch is not a rolling release. and yes of course it breaks. it's testing for a reason. |
| 04:44.08 | baraba | never Padawan |
| 04:44.29 | missmbob | a lot of people had their x completely break a couple of days ago because of the xorg 1.19 transition. good times |
| 04:44.50 | baraba | if you put the codename in your sources.list the system will eventually become stable |
| 04:45.02 | nano_python | A lot people need to check what happens when they update tbh |
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| 04:45.11 | missmbob | i never said people weren't stupid |
| 04:45.12 | n4dir1 | but that is seldom. And breaks usually get fixed by simply waiting a bit. |
| 04:45.38 | baraba | I never had any show stoppers |
| 04:46.11 | missmbob | !debian-next |
| 04:46.11 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 04:46.12 | n4dir1 | though as told earlier in this channel reading the Sid FAQ doesn't hurt when running testing (and installing apt-listchanges and apt-listbugs sure is a good idea. Just like a good backup). |
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| 04:46.22 | missmbob | you should go there if you want more stretch/testing/sid info |
| 04:46.40 | Padawan | okay, sorry to bother |
| 04:46.48 | mnf | hello my debain 8.6 is stuk at login screen |
| 04:48.06 | mnf | help!!! |
| 04:48.19 | nano_python | Which login screen, command line login, gnome, kde, lxde? |
| 04:48.35 | mnf | gnome |
| 04:49.24 | nano_python | Define "stuck" |
| 04:49.49 | mnf | keyboard, mouse doesn't work |
| 04:50.42 | asulil | any clue guys? https://paste.debian.net/899261/ |
| 04:50.42 | cluelessperson | Question, how to continue SYSTEMD to seperate log files by file? |
| 04:50.50 | cluelessperson | It's STUPID to join ALL logs into the common syslog |
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| 04:52.18 | nano_python | mnf, Can you Ctrl + Alt + F1 and does it bring up a command line? |
| 04:52.36 | n4dir1 | asulil: testisk has a forum perhaps try that. |
| 04:52.37 | mnf | command line work fine |
| 04:52.58 | nano_python | Keyboard works in that command line? |
| 04:53.16 | missmbob | pastebin your Xorg.0.log |
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| 04:56.05 | asulil | n4dir: do you know there channel? |
| 04:56.20 | asulil | if they have one |
| 04:56.29 | mnf | yes keyboard works fine |
| 04:57.05 | nano_python | Good, then you should be able to access the log file missmbob said. |
| 04:57.12 | n4dir1 | asulil: doesn't look as if they had a channel, but they do have a forum |
| 04:57.13 | missmbob | asulil: you couldnt be bothered to look at their site? they have a forum and email support http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/Support |
| 04:57.50 | mnf | jusr give me the instructions im new to linux |
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| 04:58.22 | missmbob | ...i did. pastebin Xorg.0.log... |
| 04:59.19 | pcglue | I just installed debian onto a mdadm RAID1 array. Had a bit of trouble getting GRUB to install, but it finally did. How can I tell if the MBR is properly redundant? |
| 05:00.10 | pcglue | When the array finishes syncing, I'm going to pull out a drive and see if it boots, but before that, is there anything I can check/verify? |
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| 05:03.18 | n4dir1 | mnf you will have to install pastebinit (for example by "apt-get install pastebinig") and then you can paste the file by |
| 05:03.23 | n4dir1 | pastebinit -b paste.debian.net /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 05:03.42 | n4dir1 | then you will have to post the link you get here. |
| 05:05.01 | mnf | ok.... will it work? |
| 05:05.40 | missmbob | the apt-get bit had a spelling mistake but aside from that it should work. |
| 05:05.53 | mnf | ok |
| 05:06.21 | n4dir1 | pastebinit is *the* shit. :-) |
| 05:06.35 | missmbob | btw on jessie -b paste.debian.net is default |
| 05:07.23 | n4dir1 | you sure? it was for a while, but i think it then stopped (to work at all). Well: even better if one can scip the -b part |
| 05:07.40 | missmbob | n4dir1: i'm sure. just tried it. |
| 05:07.51 | n4dir1 | well: you might have edited ... |
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| 05:08.21 | missmbob | i'm too lazy to extract a deb to see default config. but i'm pretty sure :P |
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| 05:08.47 | n4dir1 | so am i, but i guess it doesn't matter. works this way or the other |
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| 05:10.27 | mnf | ok |
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| 05:10.54 | n4dir1 | mc unpacks on it's own, btw ... |
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| 05:36.15 | Stiffler | howto completly uninstall kde desktop |
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| 05:38.23 | missmbob | sudo apt remove libkdecore5 should do it |
| 05:38.28 | missmbob | READ before saying yes |
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| 05:55.24 | Defcronyke | hi |
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| 05:56.06 | Stiffler | hey how come uninstalling libkcore5 only gives me 131 mb .. where as when i installed plasma kde it took 1 gb..? |
| 05:56.18 | Stiffler | libkdecore5* |
| 05:59.29 | missmbob | it installed recommends and not only depends |
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| 05:59.59 | missmbob | many reasons |
| 06:00.10 | missmbob | anyway, that's about the best you can do automagically |
| 06:01.07 | missmbob | plus after that i'm sure you'll be able to autoremove some things |
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| 06:02.28 | Stiffler | apt-get purge --auto-remove kde-plasma-desktop .. i did that but didnt removed all |
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| 06:03.25 | Stiffler | weirdly enough gdm still give plasma option |
| 06:03.41 | missmbob | sure. i dont see why you thought it would |
| 06:05.43 | Stiffler | so how i completely remove kde trace |
| 06:05.49 | Stiffler | with out bricking my system |
| 06:05.59 | Stiffler | google doesnt provide much help |
| 06:06.06 | Stiffler | nor any documentations |
| 06:06.15 | missmbob | you really dont automagically. you can get rid of a lot but there's no magic bullet. |
| 06:06.42 | missmbob | this might get you closer: |
| 06:06.44 | missmbob | !remove kde |
| 06:06.44 | dpkg | To remove or purge KDE: aptitude remove kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data libkdecore5. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>). |
| 06:07.02 | missmbob | but it has the libkdecore5 i told you about earlier which i'm not sure you ever did |
| 06:07.14 | Stiffler | i did that kdecore |
| 06:07.24 | Stiffler | it removed some gave me 131 mb |
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| 06:13.03 | awal1 | Stiffler: can you paste the outpute of aptitude -s purge `dpkg --get-selections | grep gnome | cut -f 1` ? |
| 06:13.16 | Stiffler | k |
| 06:13.43 | awal1 | or/also apt-get -s purge $(dpkg -l | awk '/kde/{ print $2 }') |
| 06:13.45 | missmbob | uh |
| 06:13.47 | missmbob | heh |
| 06:13.49 | missmbob | i was gonna say |
| 06:13.59 | awal1 | Stiffler, sorry I meant kde not gnome |
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| 06:14.57 | Stiffler | i am not getting any thing with "apt-get -s purge $(dpkg -l | awk '/kde/{ print $2 }'" |
| 06:15.00 | Stiffler | only > |
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| 06:16.48 | Defcronyke | hi |
| 06:17.02 | missmbob | Stiffler: remove libplasma3 |
| 06:17.14 | Stiffler | hmm k |
| 06:17.22 | awal1 | Stiffler, what about the first command |
| 06:17.31 | Stiffler | same only getting > |
| 06:18.01 | xar- | test |
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| 06:18.01 | Stiffler | libplasma3 package not installed |
| 06:18.22 | missmbob | Stiffler: be happy. you got enough. |
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| 06:18.32 | Stiffler | >.< |
| 06:18.38 | Stiffler | it took 1 gb from me |
| 06:18.45 | Stiffler | i got almost 300 mb back |
| 06:18.47 | missmbob | pay attention next time/keep logs |
| 06:18.52 | Stiffler | ya ... |
| 06:19.07 | xar- | been meaning to ask, is there a difference between this channel (on freenode) and the one on OFTC? |
| 06:19.09 | Stiffler | they should have documentation on how to remove meta pacakages |
| 06:19.12 | missmbob | it's the recommends that get you every time with this shit |
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| 06:19.30 | missmbob | no, this is why i said there's no real way |
| 06:19.38 | Stiffler | ya.. |
| 06:19.46 | Stiffler | developers should make some way |
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| 06:19.59 | Stiffler | its really waste space to give un used libs |
| 06:20.07 | Stiffler | keep* |
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| 06:20.29 | missmbob | xar-: oftc is official. this used to be, but not anymore |
| 06:20.42 | awal1 | Stiffler, what I do for remove gnome / kde or any metapkg is check ap logs , there you'll find which pkgs where installed when you installed kde, kde-standard ... so remove them |
| 06:20.45 | xar- | ah, thank you |
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| 06:20.54 | awal1 | apt logs ^ |
| 06:21.02 | xar- | the two powers that be should get together and think about linking the channels together |
| 06:21.21 | Stiffler | ah ... yes |
| 06:21.22 | missmbob | xar-: that's not happening. it switched in 2006 |
| 06:21.35 | xar- | :S |
| 06:21.38 | Stiffler | ty awal1 |
| 06:21.42 | Stiffler | and bob |
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| 06:22.12 | Stiffler | but as i belive its totally a mis management on dev side not to make one |
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| 06:22.42 | awal1 | Stiffler, also use list installed pkg and grep kde related stuff like kde, plasma, qt ... and proceed removing what you dont need |
| 06:22.52 | missmbob | most real geeks think autoremove is going too far. and they'd be mostly correct. it tends to break a lot of shit when people dont pay attention |
| 06:23.04 | awal1 | use dpkg -l | grep blablabla |
| 06:23.07 | Stiffler | exactly |
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| 06:23.52 | missmbob | exactly what? you can't fix stupid |
| 06:24.07 | Stiffler | no no |
| 06:24.15 | n4dir | and the ones who think autoremove doesn't go far enough use deborphan , aptitude purge ~c, and so on ... |
| 06:24.19 | Stiffler | i mean their should be easy button from dev side |
| 06:24.37 | missmbob | n4dir: right. there are ways for those who really care to go more. but like i said, not automagically |
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| 06:24.55 | Defcronyke | how is debian stable doing lately? is it stable? |
| 06:25.03 | Stiffler | evey1 of us dont like to spend 1 day on linux for a 2 hr job |
| 06:25.05 | missmbob | Defcronyke: it's called stable. that means it's stable |
| 06:25.09 | Defcronyke | what about Arch Linux or Windows 10? |
| 06:25.14 | missmbob | Defcronyke: go away |
| 06:25.16 | Defcronyke | are those stable? |
| 06:25.18 | Defcronyke | okay |
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| 06:25.32 | warchild | lol |
| 06:26.06 | Stiffler | i say linux i love it any destro |
| 06:26.11 | missmbob | Stiffler: i spend about 12 hours a day on linux so i dont really get it. |
| 06:26.12 | n4dir | not sure if automagically was a typo or meant that way, but it sure is a great word |
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| 06:26.17 | Stiffler | i say win its makes life easier |
| 06:26.27 | missmbob | n4dir: i meant it :P |
| 06:26.31 | Stiffler | bob i am in securty and networks |
| 06:26.35 | n4dir | gotta remember that one. |
| 06:26.42 | Stiffler | i use linux yes but my office run windows |
| 06:26.48 | awal1 | Stiffler, a few days ago I removed the whole gnome desktop, and took me like 15 minutes. I just used dpkg -l | grep gnome and related pkg |
| 06:27.00 | Stiffler | but i do implement linux solution so i stay on it |
| 06:27.30 | Stiffler | awal1 i just got atleast 40 packages of kde still remaning :) |
| 06:27.36 | Stiffler | by that command |
| 06:27.42 | missmbob | really add some wildcards in that bitch...*gnome* *gtk*...two minutes flat :P |
| 06:28.03 | missmbob | Stiffler: so add wildcards. you care a lot for not trying shit :P |
| 06:28.15 | awal1 | Stiffler, dpkg -l | grep qt |
| 06:28.18 | n4dir | i usually do that, wildcards, but am not too sure if it is a good idea (for me it works, but that's not the point) |
| 06:28.25 | Stiffler | well i am scared adding * as it might break packages |
| 06:28.30 | Stiffler | >.< |
| 06:28.31 | awal1 | be aware that not only kde stuff uses qt |
| 06:28.39 | Stiffler | yep |
| 06:28.41 | missmbob | of course you see what it does before saying yes. |
| 06:28.43 | Stiffler | i am scared for that |
| 06:29.06 | Stiffler | IMO |
| 06:29.11 | n4dir | imho : if i remove stuff i didn't want to remove, i install it again. Can't see that much of a problem |
| 06:29.15 | Stiffler | Linux is all about MISMANAGEMENT! |
| 06:29.57 | missmbob | newbies couldnt care less. you think ubuntu users give a damn that ppp is installed by default? and huge geeks dont care because they dont mind manual. so...yeah. you're kind of on your own on that one |
| 06:30.25 | Stiffler | newbies are all that made billy the willy billioniar |
| 06:30.29 | Stiffler | yes i care for them |
| 06:30.31 | awal1 | Stiffler, which kde metapkg have you installed? |
| 06:30.40 | Stiffler | and yes its true linux is miss - managed |
| 06:30.51 | Stiffler | i installed it from synaptic |
| 06:30.59 | Stiffler | kde meta package |
| 06:31.42 | awal1 | there is no a metapkg called kde, man |
| 06:31.44 | missmbob | you can think that 'til the calls come home, but for linux to work with so many different GUI's, toolkits, etc...fuck. if that's mismanaged, we're all fucked. it works damn well. on windows if i install an old program i get the blue screen of death |
| 06:32.06 | Stiffler | still |
| 06:32.07 | awal1 | I meant kde-standard, kde-full , task-desktop-kde |
| 06:32.23 | Stiffler | still .. bob it get job done for newbie who arent IT ppls |
| 06:32.38 | Stiffler | kde-desktop-full |
| 06:32.49 | Stiffler | hold on |
| 06:32.55 | Stiffler | pls give me link of the past bin |
| 06:32.56 | awal1 | never heard about kde-desktop-full |
| 06:33.10 | awal1 | ,v kde-desktop-full |
| 06:33.11 | judd | No package named 'kde-desktop-full' was found in amd64. |
| 06:33.11 | Stiffler | thats not package name |
| 06:33.19 | Stiffler | i meant whole kde package |
| 06:33.25 | Stiffler | hold on |
| 06:33.47 | missmbob | task-kde-deskop |
| 06:33.55 | Stiffler | aptitude install ~t^desktop$ ~t^kde-desktop$ |
| 06:34.09 | Stiffler | and if u open synaptic |
| 06:34.14 | Stiffler | their is task-shell |
| 06:34.24 | Stiffler | their u can mark the packages by task |
| 06:34.35 | Stiffler | their u get all the desktops u need to install by task |
| 06:36.50 | awal1 | Stiffler, you can just check aptitude logs in /var/log . you'll find which pkgs were installed when you used that command. proceed to purge them |
| 06:36.57 | Stiffler | https://paste.debian.net/899274/ |
| 06:37.13 | Stiffler | their |
| 06:37.24 | awal1 | then use aptitude purge ~b/~c/~o , -f install and so |
| 06:37.29 | Stiffler | output off : dpkg -l | grep kde |
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| 06:38.20 | missmbob | Stiffler: do you use any qt apps? do you want anything at all from kde? |
| 06:38.34 | Stiffler | i dont think so |
| 06:38.40 | Stiffler | qt app might be |
| 06:38.56 | missmbob | so for the love of god of just apt-get remove "*kde*" and see what it wants. is it acceptable? |
| 06:39.51 | Stiffler | read those packages |
| 06:39.54 | Stiffler | hold sex |
| 06:39.55 | Stiffler | sec |
| 06:40.08 | awal1 | Stiffler: you get that running dpkg -l | grep kde and you said you dont get anything running aptitude -s purge `dpkg --get-selections | grep gnome | cut -f 1` |
| 06:40.14 | awal1 | can't be true |
| 06:40.25 | Stiffler | i only got > |
| 06:40.27 | awal1 | aptitude -s purge `dpkg --get-selections | grep kde | cut -f 1` |
| 06:40.34 | Stiffler | ok |
| 06:40.35 | missmbob | awal1: from his output i'm guess his gui messed up ` and ' or something like that |
| 06:40.44 | Stiffler | lol no |
| 06:40.48 | Stiffler | its not messed uo |
| 06:40.50 | missmbob | the command works here |
| 06:41.08 | missmbob | anyway finished reading? |
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| 06:41.16 | Stiffler | yes run here too |
| 06:41.20 | Stiffler | posting output |
| 06:41.57 | Stiffler | https://paste.debian.net/899275/ |
| 06:42.04 | Stiffler | bob sec pls |
| 06:42.14 | missmbob | okay ler |
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| 06:42.48 | awal1 | Stiffler: you're in stretch /sid? |
| 06:42.52 | Stiffler | https://paste.debian.net/899276/ |
| 06:43.00 | Stiffler | what are those libs file only kde? |
| 06:43.04 | Stiffler | stretch |
| 06:43.10 | missmbob | with tab completion being so difficult no wonder wildcards is like pulling teeth |
| 06:43.19 | awal1 | bcuz sddm isn't in jessie :P |
| 06:43.34 | Stiffler | not going to stretch channel |
| 06:43.42 | awal1 | :D |
| 06:43.43 | Stiffler | man those ppls they answer are real bad |
| 06:43.57 | Stiffler | they asked me to reinstall debian |
| 06:43.59 | missmbob | Stiffler: all you have to do is see if you need those packages. you get to keep qt and get rid of all the rest |
| 06:44.02 | Stiffler | for a xorg faliure |
| 06:44.14 | missmbob | sigh |
| 06:44.16 | Stiffler | hmm working on it |
| 06:44.19 | missmbob | your x wont start? |
| 06:44.34 | missmbob | after all that your x wont start? that's what you're trying to fix? |
| 06:44.37 | Stiffler | actually xserver had bug in sid |
| 06:44.44 | missmbob | jesus christ man |
| 06:44.49 | missmbob | you could've told us that an hour ago |
| 06:44.52 | Stiffler | which i didnt saw and dist-upgraded it |
| 06:44.53 | missmbob | !xorg1.19 fix |
| 06:44.53 | dpkg | First "apt remove xserver-xorg-core xorg", then edit sources.list to ensure you have sources for testing in there. Run "apt update" and "apt install xserver-xorg-xorg/testing xorg/testing". See also <testing unstable mix>. |
| 06:45.01 | Stiffler | xorg working fine man |
| 06:45.04 | missmbob | that fixes the xorg problem in testing/sid |
| 06:45.06 | Stiffler | i fixed it |
| 06:45.18 | Stiffler | exactly thats waht i did |
| 06:45.27 | Stiffler | and those a holes bitch swear at me |
| 06:45.31 | missmbob | good. i wrote that foctoid. it's a good one :P |
| 06:45.32 | Stiffler | and asked me to leave channel |
| 06:45.46 | Stiffler | and told me to reinstall debian |
| 06:45.48 | Stiffler | sigh |
| 06:45.52 | Stiffler | horriable |
| 06:46.06 | missmbob | well dont listen to idiots. and please do the removal of "*kde*" |
| 06:46.14 | missmbob | then it's all over and we can go home |
| 06:46.41 | Stiffler | ty working on it |
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| 06:46.44 | Stiffler | and thx guys |
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| 06:47.05 | Stiffler | u ppls are lot better than those shit at testing channels at least ppls who bother to answer |
| 06:47.20 | missmbob | i'm there too :P all day every day. must've missed you |
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| 06:47.52 | awal1 | Stiffler, just say yes to that command after removing -s (simulate) |
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| 06:48.45 | Stiffler | awal1 which coomend? |
| 06:48.59 | Stiffler | command* |
| 06:49.48 | missmbob | this should be the start of a joke. a canadian, a brazilian and a whatever Stiffler is walODks into a bar... |
| 06:50.00 | awal1 | Stiffler: just run as root aptitude purge `dpkg --get-selections | grep kde | cut -f 1` |
| 06:50.00 | missmbob | stupid cat |
| 06:50.11 | Stiffler | lol |
| 06:50.25 | awal1 | also aptitude purge `dpkg --get-selections | grep deinstall | cut -f 1` |
| 06:50.38 | awal1 | I think you're drunk, Stiffler |
| 06:50.48 | Stiffler | nope man |
| 06:51.25 | awal1 | when you're done gerp other kde and plasma stuff and purge them |
| 06:51.32 | awal1 | also qt |
| 06:51.43 | Stiffler | hmm |
| 06:51.52 | missmbob | i dont understand his use of dpkg and grep, but the outcome is the same and sane. you should do it |
| 06:52.10 | Stiffler | got 500 mb back over all |
| 06:52.25 | missmbob | please read very carefully |
| 06:53.05 | Stiffler | ok now retarting |
| 06:53.29 | awal1 | missmbob, simply aptitude will purge kde stuff gotten from dpkg --get-selections |
| 06:54.23 | missmbob | awal1: i get what it does. i know bash. i dont understand why you did it that way is all |
| 06:54.36 | missmbob | awal1: that's why i told him to do it :P |
| 06:55.12 | awal1 | missmbob, bcuz I know my machines and I know what I install , so it's one of my ways for remove stuff |
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| 06:55.30 | TestingIRC | what is /proc/self/mem for ? whan I read or write to it it says "Input/output error" |
| 06:55.34 | awal1 | I understand that there may be people who doesn't know what they do |
| 06:55.44 | awal1 | like Stiffler :P |
| 06:55.51 | TestingIRC | or his mom |
| 06:56.49 | TestingIRC | any gurus or hackers are here ? |
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| 06:57.25 | missmbob | TestingIRC: if you want to be appropriate i can answer your question |
| 06:57.36 | TestingIRC | waht |
| 06:57.42 | Stiffler | back! |
| 06:57.48 | Stiffler | got 500 mb back |
| 06:57.50 | Stiffler | still intact |
| 06:57.58 | Stiffler | got plasma out from gdm screen |
| 06:58.05 | TestingIRC | Stiffler: while you was away |
| 06:58.15 | TestingIRC | < awal1> I understand that there may be people who doesn't know what they do |
| 06:58.15 | TestingIRC | < awal1> like Stiffler :P |
| 06:58.34 | Stiffler | :) |
| 06:58.38 | Stiffler | i luv u all ^_^ |
| 06:58.42 | awal1 | Stiffler, yeah, you dont know what you do sometimes :P |
| 06:58.43 | TestingIRC | < TestingIRC> or his mom |
| 06:58.56 | Stiffler | lol |
| 06:59.10 | Stiffler | <--- crazy boooboo |
| 06:59.24 | TestingIRC | what is /proc/self/mem for ? whan I read or write to it it says "Input/output error" |
| 06:59.35 | TestingIRC | /proc/self/mom |
| 06:59.42 | missmbob | TestingIRC: please stop |
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| 07:00.05 | TestingIRC | missmbob: answer |
| 07:00.16 | Stiffler | more like i dont pay much attention to what i do till it poke my ass ... |
| 07:00.20 | missmbob | i dont work on demand and i dont answer to people being inappropriate |
| 07:00.22 | Stiffler | bad habbit of mine |
| 07:00.36 | awal1 | !ops TestingIRC spamming |
| 07:00.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: awal1 complains about: TestingIRC spamming |
| 07:00.39 | TestingIRC | missmbob: you are not much helpful why are you in here then |
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| 07:01.21 | awal1 | Stiffler, what you get running aptitude purge ~c ? |
| 07:01.36 | awal1 | and aptitude purge ~o |
| 07:01.47 | TestingIRC | any sane people in here ? |
| 07:01.52 | Stiffler | havnt done purge yet |
| 07:01.55 | Stiffler | checking logs |
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| 07:03.47 | awal1 | Stiffler, you can always simulate stuff as regular user, just adding -s argument |
| 07:04.18 | Stiffler | ah |
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| 07:04.34 | Stiffler | can u give me an example |
| 07:05.01 | missmbob | apt -s install task-gnome-desktop |
| 07:05.28 | Stiffler | ty |
| 07:05.36 | awal1 | Stiffler, people in #debian-next (testing/sid) are not rude. the idea is: if you run testing/unstable you must be responsible, have enough knowledge about debian and know what to do. thats all |
| 07:06.06 | Stiffler | i know |
| 07:06.09 | Stiffler | but hear me |
| 07:06.15 | Stiffler | how it started |
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| 07:07.08 | Stiffler | i was their after i dist-upgrade in drowsy mannue at the morning without noticing that xserver had some issue at sid |
| 07:07.18 | Stiffler | so i gone their about my problem |
| 07:07.26 | Stiffler | i posted my sources.list |
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| 07:07.40 | Stiffler | their was 2 ppas yes theme ppas .. i installed |
| 07:07.50 | Stiffler | and they started bitching we dont support ubuntu |
| 07:07.53 | Stiffler | .. |
| 07:08.07 | awal1 | they are correct :P |
| 07:08.16 | Stiffler | then some one suggested and bitched all the time i was their to reinstall debian as xserver was fked |
| 07:08.21 | missmbob | eh. ppa's do break a lot of shit in debian. hard to blame them to not want to support that when you come in right away saying "things are broken to shit!" |
| 07:08.23 | Stiffler | but those were theme |
| 07:08.25 | Stiffler | not software |
| 07:08.37 | Stiffler | then |
| 07:08.49 | Stiffler | i told them why i reinstall linux i will fix it |
| 07:08.53 | Stiffler | rather than reinstalling |
| 07:09.02 | Stiffler | they told u r system is fcked u cant |
| 07:09.14 | Stiffler | and then 30 min later i did fixed it |
| 07:09.19 | Stiffler | and now its runing i am using it |
| 07:09.26 | Stiffler | now tell me who is fked? |
| 07:09.27 | awal1 | Stiffler, sometimes reinstalling is faster and easier than debugging and trying stuff |
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| 07:09.38 | missmbob | doesnt matter. you got someone in a bad mood. point is more often than not people there know a lot more of what's going on with a testing/sid system than people in #debian |
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| 07:09.39 | Stiffler | they are in testing channel with that much knowledge? |
| 07:10.09 | Stiffler | yes but they are in testing channel with their limited knowledge |
| 07:10.10 | missmbob | there are idiots everywhere. stay here long enough and i'll be telling you to go to #debian-next :P |
| 07:10.15 | Stiffler | trying to solve ppls problem |
| 07:10.21 | Stiffler | thats even sadder |
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| 07:10.48 | Stiffler | bob should be on testing channel so are u |
| 07:10.49 | awal1 | Stiffler: you should read sid faq in debian wiki |
| 07:10.50 | Stiffler | they are uselss |
| 07:10.59 | missmbob | i'm there all day every day |
| 07:11.08 | Stiffler | ah |
| 07:11.19 | Stiffler | 2 hrs of pure bitching |
| 07:11.29 | awal1 | when done you'll understand what is the general idea in unstable/testing, including irc channels |
| 07:11.30 | Stiffler | even my gf doesnt bitch as much as they did |
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| 07:11.46 | Stiffler | true man |
| 07:12.01 | Stiffler | but i dont get it why with limited info u are in testing channel |
| 07:12.04 | Stiffler | miss informing ppls |
| 07:12.12 | Stiffler | mine got solved in 30 min |
| 07:12.22 | Stiffler | reinstall would took 5-6hrs |
| 07:12.27 | Stiffler | with all configs |
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| 07:12.38 | Stiffler | >.< |
| 07:12.45 | awal1 | Stiffler, anyways, do you have any other questions about your debian system right now? |
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| 07:12.53 | Stiffler | no man |
| 07:12.56 | Stiffler | ty for the help |
| 07:13.04 | mrrtump | indeed you have become powerful, as the emperor had forseen |
| 07:13.14 | mrrtump | anyone trouble testing chrome? |
| 07:13.16 | mrrtump | lokups? |
| 07:13.19 | mrrtump | fixed? |
| 07:13.22 | mrrtump | went to freebsd |
| 07:13.23 | awal1 | bcuz for complain you have #debian-offtopic or the church in your area :P |
| 07:13.31 | mrrtump | no aidui on my amd 965 6 core |
| 07:13.36 | mrrtump | faak |
| 07:13.40 | mrrtump | back to deb regular |
| 07:13.43 | mrrtump | everything works |
| 07:14.03 | mrrtump | but the devil in me wants testing for newest swi prolog so I can dmiante the web by replacing lamp with linux+prolog |
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| 07:14.14 | mrrtump | church u mean bar tender |
| 07:14.23 | missmbob | mrrtump: come back when you're sober. please stop for now |
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| 07:15.05 | bezaban | try some citrus |
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| 07:17.59 | awal1 | Stiffler, you may want to continue cleaning your system out off kde stuff, or you will cey again next time you dist-upgrade/full-upgrade/ fix your system (-f install) |
| 07:18.19 | awal1 | cry ^ |
| 07:18.19 | Stiffler | hmm k |
| 07:18.40 | Stiffler | meh i didnt cried |
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| 07:18.42 | Stiffler | they bitch |
| 07:18.48 | awal1 | :) |
| 07:18.52 | Stiffler | i got free entertainment |
| 07:18.54 | Stiffler | :) |
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| 07:22.37 | awal1 | Stiffler: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable |
| 07:22.48 | Stiffler | ty |
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| 07:32.43 | missmbob | awal1: did you end up at least giving vivaldi a shot? |
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| 07:42.44 | awal1 | missmbob: no, not yet. But I will :) |
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| 07:43.08 | awal1 | a little bit lazy right now, maybe tomorrow sunday |
| 07:43.10 | awal1 | :P |
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| 07:44.31 | r0ck | ok |
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| 07:45.52 | r0ck | love you too |
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| 07:47.16 | awal1 | missmbob: being chromium or chrome based, I'm sure I will not like it as I like firefox. Bcuz I'll not be able to configure it as I want, which thing I can do for firefox, as you know |
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| 07:48.21 | missmbob | awal1: that's what makes vivaldi different. it's from the old school opera group (not the current ones) that love tweaking everything. guarante you vivaldi settings have more options than you've ever seen :P |
| 07:48.57 | awal1 | missmbob: ok, I'll give it a shot so :) |
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| 07:58.14 | awal1 | Why "Installing for i386 platform" message when configuring grub-pc amd64 pkg if my arch is amd64? |
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| 08:02.14 | missmbob | awal1: i just did sudo apt --reinstall install grub-pc just to see what would happen and ...that didn't |
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| 08:03.43 | somiaj | awal1: double check you have the amd64 version installed? |
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| 08:03.54 | mrrtump | is there a new browser by duckgo? |
| 08:03.56 | mrrtump | or somthing? |
| 08:03.59 | awal1 | missmbob: weird so |
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| 08:05.01 | awal1 | somiaj, amd 64 for sure:P http://paste.debian.net/899290 |
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| 08:05.58 | missmbob | to be fair i didnt test stretch version because this isn't #debian-next :P shame on you |
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| 08:06.20 | awal1 | :D |
| 08:07.30 | awal1 | I have always seen that message since squeeze |
| 08:07.55 | missmbob | awal1: are you specifying arch in sources.list? |
| 08:07.58 | awal1 | in both amd64 & i386 |
| 08:08.09 | awal1 | missmbob, no |
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| 08:08.32 | missmbob | in both. so you have i386 multiarch? |
| 08:08.38 | awal1 | no |
| 08:08.59 | awal1 | i meant no matters if my system is amd64 or i386 |
| 08:09.08 | somiaj | awal1: look at the grub-install manpage under --target, the default is i386-pc which might be all that message is saying |
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| 08:09.51 | somiaj | I don't see a seperate one for amd64 legacy boot (I do see a sperate one for amd64-efi though) |
| 08:10.09 | somiaj | which to me makes sense, I didn't thikn legacy boot mattered if you were 64 or 32bit on x86 hardware. |
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| 08:12.11 | awal1 | somiaj, yes , no amd64 legacy boot reference. I guess your last sentence is the correct explanation so |
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| 08:12.27 | missmbob | i wonder why he sees it and i dont. |
| 08:12.36 | somiaj | missmbob: could be some debconf setting |
| 08:12.54 | somiaj | could be something new in the stretch version that it reports this now |
| 08:13.08 | somiaj | nevermind, if it has been happening since squeze |
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| 08:16.03 | awal1 | missmbob: do you get that message in your sid system? |
| 08:16.24 | missmbob | awal1: not legacy on that one |
| 08:16.32 | awal1 | ok |
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| 08:24.52 | BELGIUMHERO | http://www.renegadetribune.com/elephant-american-bedroom/ |
| 08:25.00 | BELGIUMHERO | Thereâs a practice in America thatâs been in place since the 1800âs among mostly white Americans â male genital mutilation. How in the world did the average American white male have his genitals modified to a kosher standard? Almost all American white males have had a bris periah performed on them at birth. Even the devices used such as gomco clamp and mogen clamp are purely Jewish in origin. |
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| 08:40.11 | LinuxNovice | hello, anybody online here? |
| 08:40.17 | LinuxNovice | needed some help. |
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| 08:40.56 | thefreakjoe | help me plz, https://paste.debian.net/899301/ |
| 08:41.00 | thefreakjoe | good morming |
| 08:41.00 | highas | http://www.renegadetribune.com/aliens/ |
| 08:41.41 | LinuxNovice | is debian dog jesse supported by debian? |
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| 08:43.20 | thefreakjoe | Guys, https://paste.debian.net/899301/ |
| 08:43.25 | thefreakjoe | what happend ? |
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| 08:44.40 | missmbob | thefreakjoe: my guess is you download steam from their website and didnt use the debian package |
| 08:45.58 | thefreakjoe | fixing it tks |
| 08:45.59 | thefreakjoe | MissionCritical, |
| 08:46.02 | thefreakjoe | missmbob, |
| 08:46.02 | thefreakjoe | xD |
| 08:46.18 | missmbob | steam is mission critical, huh? that's when you know your life has lost all meaning |
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| 08:46.45 | missmbob | thefreakjoe: anyway read this https://wiki.debian.org/Steam you must do it the debian way or things break |
| 08:47.17 | missmbob | remove their crap first |
| 08:47.59 | hiya | I need em-whois for whois in Debian with a bot program made with ruby |
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| 08:48.05 | hiya | What should I install? |
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| 08:48.43 | thefreakjoe | missmbob, btw https://paste.debian.net/899304/ |
| 08:48.51 | LinuxNovice | would you recommend debian dog for a very old laptop? |
| 08:49.42 | missmbob | thefreakjoe: again, that's because you arent following the debian wiki and doing it the debian way. how many times must i say it? |
| 08:50.09 | missmbob | thefreakjoe: just stop whatever the hell tutorial you're reading and read the wiki i linked you to |
| 08:50.31 | missmbob | trying to install ia32-libs. you must be out of your goddamn mind |
| 08:50.47 | KAYDEN61 | MetaNova, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0_BZphQ7Qo "Sorry Mom, I was wrong about the Holocaust" |
| 08:50.55 | missmbob | hiya: |
| 08:51.04 | missmbob | hiya: just install it from source |
| 08:51.22 | LinuxNovice | can I expect my question to be answered? |
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| 08:53.57 | pilarwi | Brainwashing: 9/11 & the Holocaust https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Z3zPWcyfXY |
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| 08:59.13 | law | anyone here familiar with Jessie preseeding? |
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| 09:01.42 | hiya | missmbob, ok thanks |
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| 09:09.58 | Agiato | How to paint all the cells in Calc with the same value? |
| 09:10.22 | bazhang | heh |
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| 09:14.14 | thefreakjoe | ohh tks missmbob |
| 09:14.24 | thefreakjoe | what is the name of the package that provides sl ? seconlife |
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| 09:14.57 | thefreakjoe | AHAHAHAH |
| 09:15.01 | thefreakjoe | apt-get install sl |
| 09:15.03 | thefreakjoe | run sl |
| 09:15.05 | thefreakjoe | and watch |
| 09:15.06 | thefreakjoe | xD |
| 09:15.13 | bazhang | did you mean ls |
| 09:15.30 | thefreakjoe | sl |
| 09:15.43 | thefreakjoe | its a train |
| 09:15.44 | thefreakjoe | ROFL |
| 09:15.51 | thefreakjoe | lmao |
| 09:16.39 | somiaj | !enter |
| 09:16.40 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 09:17.12 | somiaj | Agiato: is this libreoffice? They have a chanel here I belive. |
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| 09:17.34 | thefreakjoe | sl-h AHHAAH |
| 09:17.36 | thefreakjoe | run sl-h |
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| 09:17.43 | bazhang | somiaj, does debian still have xchat in the repos or just hexchat now |
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| 09:18.08 | awal1 | ,v xchat |
| 09:18.10 | judd | Package: xchat on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.8.8-7.1; jessie: 2.8.8-7.3 |
| 09:18.15 | missmbob | dont use hexchat |
| 09:18.19 | missmbob | it's outdated and evil |
| 09:18.20 | bazhang | thanks awall |
| 09:18.23 | missmbob | oops |
| 09:18.24 | somiaj | bazhang: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/xchat |
| 09:18.29 | missmbob | i meant xchat. use hexchat ;) |
| 09:18.31 | somiaj | bazhang: you can find why it is removed from there |
| 09:18.40 | drmagoo | Where can I turn to, if I have problems with the Nvidia-drivers in Debian Unstable ? |
| 09:18.41 | thefreakjoe | my advice is LOSTirc |
| 09:18.46 | thefreakjoe | cool and awsome look |
| 09:19.04 | missmbob | !tell drmagoo about debian-next |
| 09:19.05 | somiaj | drmagoo: what are your problems? Are you using the drivers from debian or the ones from nvidia.com? |
| 09:19.13 | bazhang | drmagoo, unstalbe is on another irc iirc |
| 09:19.51 | CuteMeOwnThroat | thefreakjoe, it exists for many years⦠we know it ^ ^ |
| 09:19.53 | Dreaman | weechat |
| 09:19.59 | drmagoo | somiaj: from the repos, but right now I cant update nvidia-drivers and the related xorg drivers. There seems to be some missing packages in the repo I'm using |
| 09:20.17 | lukaso666 | Dreaman: yeah! weechat! |
| 09:20.23 | drmagoo | bazhang: know the name of the channel? |
| 09:20.45 | missmbob | drmagoo: i had the bot /msg you the info |
| 09:20.58 | somiaj | drmagoo: that is sometimes the nature of sid, you can ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net as you were pointed to and maybe someone can help you track it down. |
| 09:21.04 | bazhang | testing/unstable: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) drmagoo |
| 09:21.34 | somiaj | drmagoo: note, unmet dependencies in sid usually fix themselves, you just have to wait |
| 09:21.42 | somiaj | (well get fixed) |
| 09:21.45 | drmagoo | somiaj: I know, but its been ongoing for a few days now =) |
| 09:21.53 | drmagoo | Thank you guys for the help |
| 09:22.03 | missmbob | xorg transition started killing people about 3 days ago |
| 09:22.23 | missmbob | another sid user not reading what apt was going to do. tsk tsk. |
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| 09:30.57 | thefreakjoe | guys ia32-libs dont come with jessie ? |
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| 09:32.20 | missmbob | no |
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| 09:34.44 | JyZyXEL | how do i see if a systemd service is set to auto-start at startup? |
| 09:35.53 | han-solo | systemctl |
| 09:36.30 | JyZyXEL | status doesn't tell |
| 09:36.40 | missmbob | JyZyXEL: sudo systemctl status foolio will tell you if it's enabled (auto-start) |
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| 09:36.49 | JyZyXEL | oh enabled means that |
| 09:37.00 | han-solo | systemctl is-enabled <service> |
| 09:37.06 | han-solo | ah |
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| 09:40.50 | thefreakjoe | omg |
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| 09:41.03 | thefreakjoe | mixxx is so screw'up |
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| 09:41.56 | thefreakjoe | last night i contact benny from debian, sayin that package was 2.0 but programma was 1.8 now they send me email saying it was fixed i tryed from backports jessie install mixxx |
| 09:41.59 | thefreakjoe | well |
| 09:42.04 | thefreakjoe | doesnt even open |
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| 09:42.19 | thefreakjoe | ! |
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| 09:44.20 | thefreakjoe | "mixxx" from jessie-backports is broken |
| 09:44.24 | thefreakjoe | make a bug report plz |
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| 09:59.41 | unborn | missmbob: I would like to install legacy nvidia drivers from wheezy backports.. now to my understanding I should remove anything to do with nvidia current drivers which did not worked.. is there any simple solution to remove anything to do with nvidia ? so I can install from backports without issue? (btw you was right, installing drivers from outside of repos is just bad idea, lucky me I've done it on cloned hdd, so no harm to real system) |
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| 10:03.55 | Akuli | dpkg --get-selections | grep nvidia |
| 10:03.55 | dpkg | selects akuli's pr0n collection |
| 10:04.07 | Akuli | hmm... lol |
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| 10:05.44 | i-kill-frogs | i kill frogs |
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| 10:06.49 | nutshell | that was fast :) |
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| 10:08.18 | i-kill-frogs | !ops i kill frogs |
| 10:08.19 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: i-kill-frogs complains about: i kill frogs |
| 10:08.32 | i-kill-frogs | !ops http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=1198978294 |
| 10:08.32 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: i-kill-frogs complains about: http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=1198978294 |
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| 10:10.09 | noto | can you help me install lampp on kali linux bro, |
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| 10:12.53 | somiaj | !kali |
| 10:12.53 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
| 10:13.30 | noto | ty dude |
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| 11:40.25 | cheesus | #ncmpcpp is a dead channel(on OFTC), so I thought I'd try here, but feel free to redirect if necessary. Attempting to install ncmpcpp but getting an error in configure: ./configure: line 15722: syntax error near unexpected token `ICU,' ./configure: line 15722: `PKG_CHECK_MODULES(ICU, icu-uc,' |
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| 11:48.51 | barney | Hi folks. Could you help me with a keyboard issue under Xorf ? I set layout for fr in many files (/etc/default/keyboard and /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/30-keyboard.conf) |
| 11:49.14 | barney | But X starts with a qwerty keyboard |
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| 11:50.14 | barney | I use unstable |
| 11:50.48 | barney | File /var/log/Xorg.0.log confirms fr is used. |
| 11:51.04 | barney | localectl also displays that layout is fr |
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| 11:51.39 | barney | but the keyboard in in qwerty until i setxkbmap fr |
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| 12:09.05 | lacek_ur | hi |
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| 12:10.45 | lacek_ur | using debianInstaller Preseed i'd like to set up a paswordless sudo user (for vagrant) with preseed/late_command but no matter what i try i cant get it done |
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| 12:11.30 | lacek_ur | the config in the preseed is currently this : d-i preseed/late_command string \ |
| 12:11.30 | lacek_ur | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:12.18 | Dreaman | how to use wifi |
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| 12:12.28 | lacek_ur | and when i boot in to the system there is no trace of anything in /etc/sudoers.d/ it seems like the preseed/late_command is never executed |
| 12:12.32 | Dreaman | kernels frameworks |
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| 12:12.56 | petn-randall | !tell Dreaman -about ask |
| 12:13.37 | lacek_ur | there are some other variants of this preseed/late_command which is different in the formatting, i tried several but none does the job |
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| 12:14.47 | lacek_ur | can somebody help me how could i manage to do this either using preseed late_command, or somehow |
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| 12:15.05 | Dreaman | petn-randall ask 1000 time not work |
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| 12:15.34 | Dreaman | developers see this |
| 12:15.56 | Dreaman | fedora work but i not good for my old laptop |
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| 12:25.38 | Kaylas | missmbob CuteMeOwnThroat i'm back :D |
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| 12:26.26 | Kaylas | i've analyzed the traffic, and see the request send first ack/syn -> syn -> rst |
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| 12:27.01 | Kaylas | do you have any tips about this action? |
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| 12:50.12 | g00se1 | Why on earth does NM configure and 'connect' an Ethernet port that's not even connected to the network? Because it's actually (i'm pretty sure) knocking my real (wireless) connection offline unless i disable Ethernet! |
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| 12:52.12 | Akuli | i have currently network-manager running with a wireless and wired connection at the same time |
| 12:52.20 | g00se1 | Hang on, i think it might be a managed/unmanaged reversion thing |
| 12:52.37 | Akuli | the wired one shares the internet to other computers |
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| 13:04.23 | g00se1 | It's to do with /etc/network/interfaces and NM management. According to the docs, setting managed=true in NetworkManager.conf should make it managed by NM. The docs don't quite say what the consequences are of having the traditional config in /etc/network/interfaces _as well_ though |
| 13:06.20 | g00se1 | My experience answers: "not good". I think it probably better to break with the past and get rid of the config from /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 13:08.04 | th0r | g00se1: if you are running jessie I don't think interfaces is in play. network config if set by dhcpcd.conf |
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| 13:08.57 | th0r | g00se1: unless debian jessie is different from raspbian jessie. |
| 13:09.08 | g00se1 | I am, since yesterday. I had the same bork in wheezy though |
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| 13:11.13 | th0r | g00se1: It took me a while to get static ips in raspbian. Finally found a website that explained the change. For desktops I still set it in network manager, but servers are done in dhcpcd.conf |
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| 13:13.03 | th0r | g00se1: another option...if all you want is static, is to remove or disable dhcpcd. The interfaces works as expected. |
| 13:13.13 | th0r | Then |
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| 13:15.55 | th0r | g00se1: and I believe if you make any changes to interfaces then NM no longer functions |
| 13:15.59 | g00se1 | poettering about with things can break them |
| 13:16.27 | th0r | g00se1: but that is how a lot is learned. |
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| 13:18.07 | g00se1 | th0r: i think i'm going to reboot with my nuked interfaces file and hopefully all will work instead of my wireless nic getting knocked out. brb |
| 13:18.24 | r0ck | hi, how can i forward a port from my raspbian dmz host to some local network ip and port? |
| 13:19.16 | th0r | r0ck: iptables |
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| 13:21.23 | r0ck | th0r: but my raspbian isnt a router |
| 13:21.35 | r0ck | it just got dmz'ed to all traffic |
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| 13:22.41 | g00se1 | finds that a lot better. 'Ethernet Network' is now showing as disconnected |
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| 13:23.26 | th0r | r0ck: since it is all local network I think you could get away with doing it in the pi, but usually it is done in the network router. Not knowing your network...can |
| 13:23.40 | th0r | colan't say much more |
| 13:23.49 | g00se1 | Anyone else find in jessie xfce you can't any longer reboot without separately logging out first, or am i missing something ... |
| 13:23.52 | th0r | (can't) |
| 13:24.06 | r0ck | thanks th0r |
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| 13:26.31 | th0r | g00se1: I have noticed that halt doesn't work completely from the cli, but haven't had any problems with reboot |
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| 13:36.41 | g00se1 | Yes i too have noticed that. I'm trying poweroff instead |
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| 13:46.30 | xrogaan | It's because you don't ask the software to poweroff, just halt the system. |
| 13:46.45 | xrogaan | right? |
| 13:47.44 | Hello71 | that's how it's *always* worked. |
| 13:47.55 | Hello71 | and you probably need to install polkit. |
| 13:49.19 | TestingIRC | this is a mad house |
| 13:49.22 | TestingIRC | let me out of here |
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| 14:52.10 | blawiz | is there a name for sorting chars before numbers? (eg in 'sort') |
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| 14:56.16 | JustinHitla | any suggestions of a local denial of service attacks on linux, that are related to hardening system, or some links ? but more "userland" attack vectors, without any low level exploitation, say if filesystem can have only 1000000 files, if you create so many no one can create anymore, or you can make programm that just uses "malloc(10000000000)" to allocate all rum and sits here without quitting, or, |
| 14:56.21 | JustinHitla | also, fork bomb, so I mean abusing resources, HDD,RAM,CPU,NET, that sort of attacks |
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| 14:57.21 | JustinHitla | or is it as simple as setting ulimit to low values and no one will do anything then ? |
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| 14:57.54 | n4dir | you want to attack or you want to avoid others attack you? |
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| 15:11.53 | JustinHitla | n4dir: I want to attack for pentesting and check if its possible |
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| 15:13.00 | n4dir | well, i don't know the names, but if you do apt-cache search, you will find quite a few tools. |
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| 15:13.57 | nano_python | Isn't Kali Linux just Debian + pentesting tools? |
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| 15:15.07 | n4dir | nano_python: as far i can tell yes, but (again as far i can tell) besides metasploit most you will find in debian too |
| 15:15.43 | n4dir | but yeah, probably a good idea to check what they have installed |
| 15:16.15 | n4dir | assuming apt-cache search <searchterm> isn't helpful (i recall i found a lot ). |
| 15:17.48 | n4dir | i would probably do it the other way around though. Say by looking here: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
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| 15:23.13 | koniiiik | Hey people, does anyone have any idea how to disable systemd timers installed by packages? |
| 15:24.03 | koniiiik | Use case: I have certbot set up with a custom cronjob that takes care of etckeeper, restarting affected services, and whatnot, and it works wonderfully, but at some point, the official packages have started to ship with a timer that completely bypasses all of this, and makes a lot of mess on my system. |
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| 15:25.09 | dutchfish | koniiiik, for a primer on timers (systemd) https://jason.the-graham.com/2013/03/06/how-to-use-systemd-timers/ |
| 15:25.36 | dutchfish | koniiiik, remember that within Debian, most timers are installed with the package, disabling them can break things |
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| 15:26.56 | dutchfish | koniiiik, some have those as configurable option with the dpkg-reconfigure system; alot is still in development for the next release. |
| 15:27.36 | dutchfish | koniiiik, i hope this will do |
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| 15:30.36 | koniiiik | I don't understand this system at all â I have already run systemctl disable certbot.timer weeks ago, and systemctl status certbot.timer says that it is loaded, disabled, active and waiting, and apparently it still keeps triggering. |
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| 15:33.51 | dutchfish | koniiiik, delve in [wants] by that service. Disabling is not the same as unloading the main service. |
| 15:34.19 | dutchfish | koniiiik, a timer probably is [wanted] by the main service. |
| 15:34.19 | Guest45633 | Is it possible to revert/downgrade everything installed to whatever was installed on Nov 20th? |
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| 15:35.09 | koniiiik | dutchfish: There's a WantedBy=timers.target in the [Install] section of that timer. |
| 15:35.20 | dutchfish | koniiiik, there you go ... |
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| 15:35.52 | koniiiik | Ah, systemctl mask is what I'm after. |
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| 15:36.13 | dutchfish | koniiiik, that too, read the systemd manual. |
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| 15:36.38 | dutchfish | koniiiik, its not that hard, just different then in past using crobjobs. |
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| 15:36.46 | dutchfish | cronjobs* |
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| 15:38.04 | koniiiik | dutchfish: I was just confused by systemctl disable certbot.timer doing *something*, but that something wasn't to disable the timer. |
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| 15:38.59 | koniiiik | So I'm just confused by there being multiple ways of disabling things with systemd, which work in different ways, and sometimes, some of them don't work. |
| 15:39.36 | dutchfish | koniiiik, you should now be able to figure it out, as an excersize, good luck. |
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| 15:39.58 | koniiiik | Yeah, already did, thanks. |
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| 15:40.04 | dutchfish | yw |
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| 15:43.40 | Guest45633 | exit |
| 15:44.01 | dvs | /brexit |
| 15:44.21 | tecuzin | fail ^^ |
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| 15:47.03 | t4nk273 | how to get a wristwatch with LDC display to drive an 7-segment display? |
| 15:47.34 | t4nk273 | how to get a wristwatch with LCD display to drive an 7-segment display? |
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| 15:52.20 | BeautifulBash | How do I install the PHP7 package for php-pgsql on Jessie? |
| 15:52.28 | BeautifulBash | Seems to only be available under Sid and Stretch |
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| 15:52.48 | rick16 | Hello! |
| 15:53.34 | nkuttler | ,v php7 |
| 15:53.35 | judd | No package named 'php7' was found in amd64. |
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| 15:54.14 | rick16 | Anyone here using i3? |
| 15:54.18 | nkuttler | ,v php7.0 |
| 15:54.19 | judd | Package: php7.0 on amd64 -- sid: 7.0.12-1; stretch: 7.0.12-1; sid: 7.0.13-1 |
| 15:54.26 | nkuttler | BeautifulBash: right |
| 15:54.30 | BeautifulBash | well, its just php on Jessie |
| 15:54.36 | BeautifulBash | thats for php7 |
| 15:54.51 | nkuttler | BeautifulBash: what do you mean? |
| 15:55.39 | BeautifulBash | sorry not being very clear. PHP 7 is in Jessie under just php* |
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| 15:55.56 | BeautifulBash | but my issue is, there isnt yet a php-pgsql package for PHP 7.0 nkuttler |
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| 15:56.10 | BeautifulBash | it only exists under stretch and sid |
| 15:56.21 | nkuttler | BeautifulBash: jessie has php5 |
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| 15:56.36 | BeautifulBash | oh... Its telling me that my installed version is php7 |
| 15:56.48 | maziar | i have 64 core CPU, what is the best way and multi-core way to decompress 500GB that is compressed with XZ , |
| 15:56.58 | nkuttler | BeautifulBash: php --version, dpkg -S `which php` |
| 15:57.02 | BeautifulBash | this is a Docker container mind you |
| 15:57.10 | nkuttler | ... |
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| 15:57.28 | nkuttler | BeautifulBash: your docker container could run any linux distro |
| 15:57.38 | BeautifulBash | I know for a fact this container is running Jessie though |
| 15:57.50 | nkuttler | BeautifulBash: php --version, dpkg -S `which php` |
| 15:58.31 | BeautifulBash | nkuttler, http://pastebin.com/fqfprJB3 |
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| 15:58.53 | nkuttler | BeautifulBash: /usr/local/bin/php is not from debian |
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| 15:59.09 | BeautifulBash | Oh, right. I just assumed it was... Thanks |
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| 15:59.20 | nkuttler | BeautifulBash: debian never uses /usr/local/ |
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| 15:59.39 | nkuttler | BeautifulBash: it could be an image that's based on jessie and pulls in third party repos or anything. |
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| 16:02.01 | maziar | i have 64 core CPU, what is the best way and multi-core way to decompress 500GB that is compressed with XZ ? |
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| 16:03.18 | gshrikant | How do I modify PolicyKit defaults needed to suspend/hibernate the system? Current defaults under `/usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.freedesktop.login1.policy` are set to 'auth_admin_keep', which I believe causes a popup when I try to suspend while closing the laptop lid. |
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| 16:03.54 | jolt | maziar: Probably with something like https://github.com/vasi/pixz |
| 16:04.12 | gshrikant | I added 10-enable-suspend.rules file using a template from the Arch wiki (under /usr/share/polkit-1/rules.d/): https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Polkit#Disable_suspend_and_hibernate |
| 16:04.15 | maziar | jolt how to use it for decompression ? |
| 16:04.29 | jolt | maziar: it says there, right on the page. you need to install it firsth though |
| 16:04.29 | Artemis3 | maziar, man xz shows the -T option (threads) "Specify the maximum number of worker threads to use. The default is the number of available CPU cores." |
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| 16:05.43 | gshrikant | It doesn't seem to work all the time - I am running xfce 4.12.1 with xfpm handling the suspend/hibernate events (also verified through xfconf-query and systemd-inhibit). |
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| 16:07.06 | Artemis3 | maziar, but i think your bottleneck is more likely the disk io and maybe ram since xz uses it a lot but more when compressing |
| 16:07.50 | maziar | Artemis3 i am agree with you, but , my file is tar.XZ how to use pxz to uncompress it ? |
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| 16:08.50 | Artemis3 | that appears to be a compressor only, never used it xD |
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| 16:12.20 | Artemis3 | unxz appears to be multithreaded already |
| 16:12.45 | maziar | I think compression/decompression is related to CPU also IO, when i monitor my cp using htop i can see that only 1 CPU is working ! |
| 16:13.19 | Artemis3 | i would stick to regular xz/unxz if i were you |
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| 16:13.48 | Artemis3 | oh then you might have an old one |
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| 16:14.55 | Artemis3 | ah nvm maziar "Documented that threaded decompression hasn't been implemented yet." |
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| 16:15.04 | maziar | when i use `tar xvf file.tar.xz` it make my server down, i can not ping it ! |
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| 16:15.23 | maziar | what should i do now ? |
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| 16:17.21 | maziar | hello |
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| 16:18.52 | Artemis3 | "you can use p7zip, lxz, or pxz to do threaded compression." |
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| 16:19.14 | Artemis3 | thats a comment from xz dev, have fun xD |
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| 16:22.02 | Artemis3 | hmm there is a secret way to enable multithreading in 5.2 |
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| 16:22.36 | Artemis3 | "The current implementation of threading makes the compression slightly worse" |
| 16:22.44 | maziar | Artemis3 its not matter which way, i just want to make it multi-core, would you please give me an example for it ? |
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| 16:23.04 | Artemis3 | "In order to use the multithread feature, I need to add XZ_DEFAULTS="--threads 0" |
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| 16:23.15 | Artemis3 | "to my environment variable" |
| 16:23.21 | Artemis3 | so try that xD |
| 16:24.24 | Artemis3 | there is also pixz |
| 16:24.36 | Artemis3 | "parallel, indexing XZ compressor/decompressor" |
| 16:25.11 | Artemis3 | and jessie only has 5.1 anyway |
| 16:26.02 | maziar | Artemis3 for a tar file that compressed with xz algorithm , how can i decompress it on multi-core way ? |
| 16:27.08 | Artemis3 | "pixz -d foo.tpxz foo.tar" |
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| 16:29.35 | Artemis3 | maziar, if you need any more info go here: https://github.com/vasi/pixz |
| 16:29.56 | maziar | thank you |
| 16:30.17 | Artemis3 | just apt-get install pixz then untar or see if you can pipe it |
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| 16:31.37 | Artemis3 | ah yes there is a sample there to pipe to tar x |
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| 17:22.07 | tehfreakjoe | hey hey |
| 17:22.26 | tehfreakjoe | I bought today a turtle beach rcon 50 headset with mic , well mic isnt working |
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| 17:22.34 | tehfreakjoe | .. |
| 17:23.51 | jelly | tehfreakjoe: is this thing usb-connected? |
| 17:24.03 | mtn | tehfreakjoe: already used pavucontrol to check your settings/ devices? |
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| 17:24.23 | tehfreakjoe | no jack 3.5 |
| 17:24.34 | tehfreakjoe | is it needed pavucontrol? |
| 17:24.40 | tehfreakjoe | i can install yy |
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| 17:25.14 | rly | How can I set the browser to be used for Debian 8 Icedove? |
| 17:25.39 | jelly | tehfreakjoe: it's an essential tool when your sound setup works with pulseaudio, like it does in gnome |
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| 17:25.47 | rly | I already set it via user.js, the configured one seems to be x-www-browser, (running x-www-browser on the CLI works fine). |
| 17:25.48 | tehfreakjoe | sure thing |
| 17:25.50 | tehfreakjoe | tks |
| 17:25.59 | rly | I also have no idea which one is being launched right now. |
| 17:26.35 | rly | The instructions on http://kb.mozillazine.org/Default_browser#Setting_the_browser_that_opens_in_Thunderbird_-_Linux do not work. |
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| 17:33.31 | rly | Does anyone know which systemcall icedove uses to open an external browser? |
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| 17:39.46 | rly | about: pages are being opened with the proper browser, but other links are not. Genius! |
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| 17:41.53 | CrowX- | I have some cron jobs set up in /etc/crontab and they executed well, using the system's clock. But after I changed the system's timezone, they still use the UTC clock instead of the system's timezone |
| 17:42.07 | CrowX- | how can I make them use the timezone instead of utc? |
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| 17:44.46 | JyZyXEL | interesting that debians default grsecurity paxctld.conf comes with rules for non-free software like Skype and Chrome, yet it lacks rules such as plasma-desktop and kwin which effectively make the desktop segfault :P |
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| 17:50.07 | jelly | JyZyXEL: did you file a bug report? |
| 17:51.22 | JyZyXEL | jelly: once ill get my desktop fully running under the -grsec kernel, i was thinking i might |
| 17:51.47 | JyZyXEL | though i'm not sure if anyone would even be interested |
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| 17:55.55 | jelly | last time I tried it it was a core library for kde that was at fault, don't remember the specifics but it was either a Qt thing or a kde thing, which meant _every_ app built against it would have issues, which then meant setting up rules per app was the wrong way to do it |
| 17:56.08 | jelly | the library ought to be fixed instead |
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| 17:58.58 | jelly | JyZyXEL: it's probably not worth to make kde4 in jessie work, when plasma5 in stretch is completely different |
| 17:59.14 | JyZyXEL | it was pretty simple |
| 17:59.32 | JyZyXEL | (already made it work) |
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| 18:01.12 | JyZyXEL | mostly one just needs to add a bunch of MPROTECT flags for binaries that are denied |
| 18:02.34 | jelly | sure, but that means most of kde doesn't get to enjoy a couple significant protection features |
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| 18:04.03 | JyZyXEL | yeah, i've had to PAX_MPROTECT plasma-desktop, kwin, kmail, kate and kdeinit4 so far |
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| 18:06.13 | JyZyXEL | and there is a lot more stuff that can not function with this memory protection stuff |
| 18:06.48 | jelly | everything that has a JIT basically |
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| 18:08.09 | JyZyXEL | yes, pretty every python app, java, firefox, chromium, pulseaudio, vlc, wine, qemu |
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| 18:08.41 | JyZyXEL | but you can at least restrict them with apparmor and contain them with firejail |
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| 18:38.14 | curiousx | Hi! there |
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| 18:41.57 | jscoder | curiousx: not yet, but we're working on it |
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| 18:43.03 | curiousx | I need some help trying to get a start up init script at boot, i'm running a gamer server, and "Urban Terror" one, along with "ts3" and "spunky bot", the game and the ts3 server already start at boot, but couldn't get the "spunky bot" to start at boot, cuz it have to start after the game, cuz reads Urban Terror's log file, but couldn't get it to work =( |
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| 18:43.44 | jscoder | curiousx: I don't know about all that stuff, but I know a bit about the init.d boot scripts |
| 18:43.56 | Howdy | Today I will attempt AGP Pass thru |
| 18:43.58 | curiousx | i've try playing with insserv headers and stuff but can't, could you guys please help me ? i'm running Debian GNU/Linux 8 \n \l server |
| 18:44.13 | Howdy | Mouse has not friezed in a few days |
| 18:44.14 | monsune | Howdy have fun :) lots of it |
| 18:44.34 | Howdy | Oh OHHHH sounds like it could be lots n lots of troulbe |
| 18:44.43 | Howdy | if it works then I am going to format & install XEN 4.7 |
| 18:44.45 | curiousx | jscoder: do you want me to send you my scripts to see if there is something wrong ? |
| 18:44.54 | Howdy | Then get some much needed gaming oging |
| 18:44.57 | Howdy | going |
| 18:45.02 | Howdy | I need to shoot some Naizs |
| 18:45.03 | jscoder | all you gotta do to make something start at boot is put it in a script in /etc/init.d/ and then link it using update-rc.d |
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| 18:45.29 | jscoder | curiousx: can you start it successfully manually?> |
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| 18:47.29 | curiousx | jscoder: yeah it start manually like a champ, and yeah i used "update-rc.d" but as it has to start after the game i use insserv + lsb so it read the header and start after the game, but i suspect i'm doing something wrong idk |
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| 18:48.59 | jscoder | the rc links have a numbering to control order of startup and you can make the script check to make sure something is running |
| 18:49.38 | curiousx | Oh! how could i do that ? |
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| 18:51.46 | jscoder | curiousx: as I recall debian boots to runlevel 2 by default, which would be /etc/rc2.d/ you'll notice all the link names begin with a number.. thats the boot sequence |
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| 18:52.22 | curiousx | yeah, S for start and K for kill :p |
| 18:52.24 | jscoder | curiousx: the system is dead simple, scripts go in /etc/init.d/ and they're linked with S for start or K for kill, then a number |
| 18:52.39 | jscoder | to /etc/rc#.d/ where # is the sequence number |
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| 18:54.43 | curiousx | but, i used defaults, i mean : update-rc urban defaults and for the bot: update-rc spunky defaults so uses 2345 for S and 016 for K, so how could i say to start after the game ? -.- |
| 18:55.14 | jscoder | rename the link, change the numbers |
| 18:55.15 | jscoder | heh |
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| 18:55.54 | jscoder | if need be, put a conditional like an if statement in the script to check and see if the process is actually running if you want it to be certain |
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| 18:58.15 | curiousx | Hm, good idea about the if statement, so bad idk about scripting, i'm going to have to search in the world wide web for an example :p |
| 18:58.20 | curiousx | jscoder: https://paste.debian.net/899370/ |
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| 18:58.45 | jscoder | curiousx: well you can type "help if" in a terminal and it will show you |
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| 18:58.52 | julius_ | hi |
| 18:58.54 | jscoder | also "help test" |
| 18:59.00 | curiousx | ok |
| 18:59.04 | curiousx | Hello |
| 18:59.29 | jscoder | see also #bash |
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| 19:00.44 | jscoder | your question isn't really debian specific you serve yourself best to seek general bash help in #bash or such. since the stuff starts manually, the game is working fine, its just system config |
| 19:01.06 | jscoder | since you understand the basics of the init system in debian, you're just needing admin/scripting help |
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| 19:02.07 | curiousx | damn! help test scared me the hell out of me =( going for an online example better :p |
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| 19:03.13 | jscoder | hah.. you probably wanna just test the output of ps |
| 19:03.32 | julius_ | i would like to install a python module (lxml) via pip, when compiling it says: #/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lz and fails shortly after, which packet am i missing? |
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| 19:04.15 | curiousx | ik about it, i do: ps aux | grep something |
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| 19:04.29 | curiousx | i recently knew pstree :p |
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| 19:05.28 | jscoder | ah, there is a pgrep.. |
| 19:06.07 | curiousx | xD ik ik |
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| 19:09.59 | jscoder | curiousx: if [ -z $(pgrep irssi) ] ;then echo "is not running"; else echo "is running"; fi |
| 19:10.18 | jscoder | curiousx: seems to work to see if my irc client irssi is running or not |
| 19:11.21 | jscoder | so you could replace the echo "is running" with a command to start the program and the other echo "is not running" with an exit 1 or echo "error msg" or something |
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| 19:12.29 | jscoder | curiousx: fyi, the -z is usage of test to check if the string is non-zero, $() runs the command inside and saves the output as a string |
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| 19:13.07 | jscoder | and of course pgrep will output the pid of the process if its running or nothing if its not |
| 19:13.42 | curiousx | Oh! great |
| 19:14.16 | jscoder | curiousx: and the ; can be replaced with newlines too.. you only need them when running it all on one line |
| 19:14.19 | curiousx | Thanks jscoder, gotta feed my belly now, then i'll try it |
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| 19:17.08 | jscoder | I have a laptop running at 1600x1200 and an external display extending the desktop running at 1440x900, if I move vlc to the external display the video is distorted (doesnt extend all the way to the right side) |
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| 19:19.19 | curiousx | Mmm... sry, i never had to deal with dual monitors set ups =( |
| 19:19.34 | jscoder | it would appear it does it even if they're both the same resolution |
| 19:19.35 | julius_ | ah yes -lz is zlib |
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| 19:23.47 | tehfreakjoe | hihihihihi i am back xD |
| 19:24.49 | tehfreakjoe | guys i bought a recon 50 turtle beach, it bringhs a deatachable mic, but debian doesnt detect it :( |
| 19:25.07 | tehfreakjoe | anyone know any soluction / workaround |
| 19:25.08 | tehfreakjoe | ? |
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| 19:26.11 | tehfreakjoe | its a single 3.5 jack |
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| 19:27.38 | tehfreakjoe | 3 pole |
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| 19:28.04 | tehfreakjoe | 4 soz |
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| 19:35.25 | nano_python | tehfreakjoe, What desktop env are you running, and does it have pulseaudio? |
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| 19:37.03 | tehfreakjoe | yes it does |
| 19:37.10 | tehfreakjoe | thank you for your replay |
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| 19:37.47 | tehfreakjoe | ohh sowwy |
| 19:37.50 | tehfreakjoe | it doesnt |
| 19:37.53 | tehfreakjoe | only pavucontrol |
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| 19:38.12 | nano_python | pavucontrol would have installed pulseaudio |
| 19:38.24 | tehfreakjoe | i was missing things |
| 19:38.31 | tehfreakjoe | now all intalled |
| 19:38.51 | tehfreakjoe | its just plug'n'play now ? |
| 19:39.23 | nano_python | Most headsets are just plug n play |
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| 19:40.32 | tehfreakjoe | oohh k |
| 19:40.35 | tehfreakjoe | trying |
| 19:40.37 | tehfreakjoe | sec. |
| 19:40.56 | iR0b0t | :D |
| 19:42.12 | tehfreakjoe | no dont work |
| 19:42.56 | iR0b0t | tehfreakjoe u got no sound? |
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| 19:43.13 | nano_python | terminal > "pavucontrol" |
| 19:43.17 | nano_python | Under input |
| 19:43.20 | tehfreakjoe | i have sound on Headset, but mic doesnt work , its a single 3.5jack 4 pole |
| 19:43.22 | nano_python | Make sure it's not muted |
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| 19:43.58 | nano_python | Adjust levels as needed, I find they are rather low by default. |
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| 19:44.54 | tehfreakjoe | the port has "analogic" and "mic" |
| 19:45.02 | tehfreakjoe | the port has "internal analogic" and "mic" |
| 19:45.16 | tehfreakjoe | but mic acts like internal analogic |
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| 19:45.55 | tehfreakjoe | how do i access the kernel |
| 19:45.56 | tehfreakjoe | ? |
| 19:46.14 | tehfreakjoe | it might be an option discarded or something |
| 19:46.40 | tehfreakjoe | rofl |
| 19:46.44 | tehfreakjoe | .../usr/src/linux doesnt seem to exist just headers |
| 19:46.56 | tehfreakjoe | im new to debian btw |
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| 19:47.18 | monsune | tehfreakjoe most of people here already noticed that i guess :) |
| 19:47.58 | tehfreakjoe | mosune :P:P:P |
| 19:48.46 | tehfreakjoe | Question : Does debian support jack 3.5 headsets with one cord only ? 4 pole |
| 19:49.19 | tehfreakjoe | by default |
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| 19:50.00 | nano_python | I have my headset plugged in right now, and I can see both output and input. The microphone works fine, and both are connected via the same cable. |
| 19:50.42 | tehfreakjoe | nano_python, Are you using same headset as me ? |
| 19:51.06 | nano_python | No, I'm using a Kingston Hyper X |
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| 19:51.11 | tehfreakjoe | ohh ok |
| 19:51.55 | tehfreakjoe | did you edited by any change your kernel ? nano_python ? |
| 19:52.26 | nano_python | No, because it has nothing to do with the kernel. |
| 19:53.24 | tehfreakjoe | im using ROG asus gaming GL702VM |
| 19:53.27 | tehfreakjoe | does it help? |
| 19:53.36 | tehfreakjoe | it has only one jack port for headset and mic :( |
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| 19:55.02 | tehfreakjoe | on pavucontrol says both selection internal audio input |
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| 20:05.17 | _abc_ | What is this movement to /usr in testing? All the fsstnd things to be moved under usr with links from the old places? I read an article on it, is it really a good idea? |
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| 20:10.48 | nano_python | _abc_, https://lwn.net/Articles/670071/ |
| 20:11.19 | nano_python | That is pretty well written, and covers most of the conversation around it. |
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| 20:13.25 | _abc_ | I read it, but I see pain. I work a lot with tiny devices running openwrt which is set up like that. |
| 20:13.59 | _abc_ | It is not a good place to be in. Also the business of /lib/modules/* being on a secondary mount is going to go cause some real pain |
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| 20:26.43 | winsen | hi all |
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| 20:38.35 | winsen | does anyone know why I can't install debina from deina netistall iso, nor from debian cd iso on yumi multiboot |
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| 20:39.09 | winsen | which version would you recommand as debian pro Lightweight Desktop Environment? |
| 20:39.32 | ompaul | lxde |
| 20:39.48 | ompaul | however not being able to install ... what is yumi multiboot? |
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| 20:39.52 | ompaul | I don't know this thing |
| 20:40.43 | ompaul | something to do with windows? ... not how I'd try to install debian |
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| 20:41.24 | elichai2 | hey |
| 20:41.26 | ompaul | I don't use windows on this machine - so I guess I'm going to less helpful to you than others. |
| 20:41.45 | elichai2 | how can I fix a live persistance with packages problem that crash when it starts? |
| 20:42.01 | elichai2 | (I can't chroot into persistence/rw because not all the linux stuff is in there) |
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| 20:46.57 | winsen | ompaul: one of utilities for creating Live USB. |
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| 20:47.14 | winsen | ompaul: anyway thanks |
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| 20:50.56 | CuteMeOwnThroat | do you know if it's possible for more than one process to ptrace(2) another procesS? |
| 20:51.02 | CuteMeOwnThroat | it seems like it's not |
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| 20:51.37 | CuteMeOwnThroat | s/process/thread/ |
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| 20:54.48 | CuteMeOwnThroat | basically I'd just like to collect process (/thread) statistics at process end |
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| 20:57.08 | ompaul | Willis: there is a debian way to create an installer |
| 20:58.36 | ompaul | winsen: https://wiki.debian.org/FromWindowsToDebian |
| 20:58.44 | ompaul | Willis: sorry about that |
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| 20:58.50 | ompaul | bad tabbing |
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| 21:03.01 | Asulil_ | ompaul: were're not talking about the samething. anyway thanks |
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| 21:08.04 | maziar | what is this error :" kernel:[10923.348291] BUG: soft lockup - CPU#70 stuck for 72s! [kworker/70:1:451]" |
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| 21:10.22 | ompaul | maziar: uname -a might tell us more about which problem you are looking at |
| 21:10.48 | maziar | ompaul of course |
| 21:10.51 | maziar | ompaul Darwin Maziars-MBP 16.1.0 Darwin Kernel Version 16.1.0: Thu Oct 13 21:26:57 PDT 2016; root:xnu-3789.21.3~60/RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64 |
| 21:11.06 | maziar | ompaul sorry |
| 21:11.14 | maziar | ompaul wait a second |
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| 21:12.47 | maziar | ompaul this is a VPS on ESXi |
| 21:13.03 | maziar | ompaul and now its dead i should reboot it |
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| 21:14.05 | ompaul | maziar: that's a phone kernel so it's not really debian |
| 21:14.31 | maziar | ompaul no wait i had a mistake |
| 21:14.34 | ompaul | also if you are subscribing to a service we can't say what they changed so other than saying you have a problem |
| 21:14.46 | ompaul | we are not really useful to you |
| 21:14.59 | ompaul | that's for whomsoever did the compile |
| 21:16.58 | maziar | ompaul Linux ST1 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.36-1+deb8u2 (2016-10-19) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 21:18.09 | ompaul | when you reboot go check your syslog file |
| 21:18.31 | maziar | ompaul now i rebooted, and now i can check it |
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| 21:22.57 | maziar | ompaul i should mention that i have no service on it http://pastebin.com/aTzaQ4m8 |
| 21:23.05 | maziar | ompaul this is my syslog http://pastebin.com/aTzaQ4m8 |
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| 21:28.45 | ompaul | maziar: are you using RT on a shared service |
| 21:28.59 | tehfreakjoe | guys o bought a asus rog laptop but they function keys dont work , any app that enables them? |
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| 21:29.19 | maziar | ompaul sorry i dont know what RT is |
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| 21:30.25 | ompaul | realtime |
| 21:30.54 | ompaul | maziar: did you change kernels from the kernel your service provider gave you? |
| 21:31.23 | maziar | ompaul no i don't change any thing on it |
| 21:31.55 | maziar | ompaul let me tell you some thing |
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| 21:32.42 | maziar | I have ESXi 6 and i have so many Debian machine on it, i get this error on must of virtual Debian servers |
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| 21:33.45 | tehfreakjoe | guys any idea how to configure the FN (F1...F12) keys in a laptop called asus rog ? |
| 21:33.51 | ompaul | so prehaps if you take it we don't see this problem on a regular basis in channel then at least one explaination - most people don't have it and the common issue you have there is vmware |
| 21:34.11 | ompaul | maziar: ^^ it's only an idea |
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| 21:34.45 | tehfreakjoe | guys any idea how to configure the FN (F1...F12) keys in a laptop called asus rog ? |
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| 21:35.15 | tehfreakjoe | to rise up volume brightness etc.... retoiluminate the keyboard...nothig work |
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| 21:35.54 | maziar | ompaul i dont think so |
| 21:36.43 | Lanre | Hey guys |
| 21:37.15 | maziar | what is this process : 589 root 20 0 0 0 0 D 21.7 0.0 0:21.90 kworker/u145:1 |
| 21:37.16 | Lanre | I'm having a problem trying to install a Debian OS in my Virtual Box |
| 21:37.21 | Lanre | Can anyone give me a hand? |
| 21:37.34 | maziar | Lanre what is the problem ? |
| 21:38.27 | Lanre | Well, in the log it appears to be the fact that, according to Virtualbox, "VT" is disabled in the BIOS |
| 21:38.47 | Lanre | I just checked it, and it's enabled |
| 21:38.55 | Lanre | Still doesn't work |
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| 21:40.35 | ompaul | maziar: you would need to look at it in the context of other things that are running |
| 21:40.49 | ompaul | that is a facilitator for other processes |
| 21:40.51 | maziar | ompaul i found the isse |
| 21:41.00 | maziar | ompaul |
| 21:41.11 | ompaul | yes |
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| 21:42.20 | maziar | ompaul for example if i run a command like "tar" on a VPS and i also run a "tar" on an other VPS it will happen ! |
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| 21:43.19 | ompaul | as each vps should be seperate - you have found your way to the bug - in esx |
| 21:43.33 | ompaul | now have fun getting VMWARE fixing it |
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| 21:46.02 | Blueer | i'm dying. i can't fix the "blocked for more than 120 seconds hung task timeout" problem on my vms. just switched to a new server with debian stable and get this on one vm all over the day and one time on another vm 1 hour ago :( help need |
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| 21:46.14 | Blueer | the complete vm is freezing and only killing it helps, but doesn't fix it. |
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| 21:54.22 | CuteMeOwnThroat | Blueer, you're letting anyone who might want to answer guess an awful lot there⦠what's printing the error⦠the host, the client-os, the virtualization software; what virtualization software is it, what actually happens when you get the error, what ARE host and client OS systems, etc, etc |
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| 21:58.43 | Blueer | don't want to spam to much *** |
| 21:58.51 | Blueer | thought it's some irc rule |
| 21:59.37 | Blueer | both os (host+vm) are debian stable (newest updates). host has libvirt/qemu/kvm debian stable packages. |
| 22:00.34 | Blueer | happens: vm is freezing completly, ssh timeout, 2 minutes later the 120 seconds kernel hung task timeout |
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| 22:01.16 | Blueer | the timeout is only shown at the vnc (tunneled from the host). no errors in the logs (host+vm) |
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| 22:02.03 | Blueer | only getting some vcpu0 unhandled rdmsr: 0x3f6 errors on startup of the vm, but this is normal since years |
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| 22:03.25 | Blueer | thought it was some converting error from qed to qcow2, but i didn't converted it from qed, only freeing space with zeroing and converting from qcow2 to qcow2 with qemu-img -C. but this worked for years. |
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| 22:04.30 | Blueer | just removed "write-through" disk cache and switched back do cache="none" |
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| 22:04.59 | Blueer | and i've removed hughpages from the host and vm |
| 22:06.11 | Blueer | and removed the mapped directorys from the host to the vm |
| 22:06.36 | Blueer | don't know if there're any bugs, because not many poeple are using it |
| 22:07.03 | Blueer | all devices are using libvirt drivers |
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| 22:08.06 | CuteMeOwnThroat | huh? what's writing the error out? |
| 22:08.21 | jhutchins | Blueer: qcow2 is not as mature as some of the other virtualizers, it may have some glitches that haven't been worked out. |
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| 22:12.00 | Blueer | jhebden had qed before and qcow2 since ~8 years, just working fine |
| 22:12.14 | Blueer | don't want to switch to vmware, hohoho |
| 22:12.18 | tehfreakjoe | ppl , backlight of my keyboard since i switch from windows , doesnt work , why ? |
| 22:15.01 | tehfreakjoe | GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=âquiet splash pcie_aspm=force acpi_backlight=vendorâ |
| 22:15.02 | tehfreakjoe | works? |
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| 22:17.24 | mifritscher | hi |
| 22:17.46 | mifritscher | I've trouble with the transition to sha256/512 with an own made repo |
| 22:18.46 | mifritscher | I get the " InRelease provides lny weak security infomation" - but this file is both signed with sha512 and has sha512 hashes for the files |
| 22:19.20 | mifritscher | how can I fix this? |
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| 22:19.58 | mifritscher | my key is rsa-4096 btw |
| 22:20.31 | jhutchins | Blueer: No, I wouldn't recommend vmware player. Virtualbox is pretty well known and supported. |
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| 22:21.13 | jhutchins | Blueer: I've been working with hypervisors for a good ten years now and haven't erver heard of qcow. |
| 22:22.26 | jhutchins | Blueer: You could actually be having a hardware problem or a corrupted image. Be sure to check the logs on the host & the vm. |
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| 22:24.25 | monsune | Blueer why do you use qcow2 at all? why not raw? |
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| 22:26.43 | Blueer | what i see, that all the vm and host use very little memmory. so i thought it could be a problem with the last hughtables setup, but it's disabled now |
| 22:27.31 | Blueer | jhutchins: there are not erros in the logs |
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| 22:28.08 | CuteMeOwnThroat | well, write a bug report? |
| 22:28.24 | Blueer | monsune: because of less space usage for many vm at the ssd and features like snapshots, compression and so on |
| 22:28.54 | CuteMeOwnThroat | the question is what package is even at fault |
| 22:28.55 | monsune | use zfs for snapshots... |
| 22:29.16 | CuteMeOwnThroat | zfs under linux isn't really mature |
| 22:29.44 | monsune | use whatever works for you :) |
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| 22:30.20 | tehfreakjoe | i need assitance :P |
| 22:30.29 | monsune | tehfreakjoe i know |
| 22:30.38 | tehfreakjoe | backlight of laptop isnt working since i install debian |
| 22:30.44 | tehfreakjoe | ;( |
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| 22:30.50 | CuteMeOwnThroat | at least we have an nfs on top of a zfs⦠and ⦠well, not too pleasurable, that is |
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| 22:31.18 | monsune | i wouldn't touch nfs |
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| 22:33.23 | CuteMeOwnThroat | well⦠if you think sharing files happens by magic⦠but in this case, that would actually have worked |
| 22:35.21 | monsune | heard of afs? |
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| 22:38.18 | Richard_Cavell | Hello everyone. I was always a big fan of GNOME 2. If I choose to use mate instead of cinnamon, will I be disadvantaged in some way? I want to use debian for gcc, clang, make, bash, Facebook, Twitter, etc. |
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| 22:39.04 | CuteMeOwnThroat | monsune, was that after the 90ies? |
| 22:39.12 | bazhang | apart from it looking like gnome2, no |
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| 22:40.42 | monsune | CuteMeOwnThroat you appearently don't know what afs is |
| 22:41.15 | CuteMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:41.17 | monsune | ...and that it made nfs look like crap - that's why they released nfsv4 |
| 22:41.40 | monsune | http://www.openafs.org |
| 22:41.44 | CuteMeOwnThroat | well, nfs *is* crap, always has been |
| 22:42.02 | monsune | well nfsv4 is a bit better security wise |
| 22:42.15 | Richard_Cavell | Is cinnamon now the leading desktop environment? |
| 22:42.27 | CuteMeOwnThroat | I already saw the openafs packages in debian |
| 22:42.29 | Richard_Cavell | I was really upset when Ubuntu went from GNOME 2 to Unity |
| 22:42.44 | CuteMeOwnThroat | still haven't seen any big installation use it |
| 22:42.57 | CuteMeOwnThroat | so no idea how that would look like in practice |
| 22:43.57 | CuteMeOwnThroat | in our case, we could have used lustre, as that was to be used anyway |
| 22:43.57 | monsune | because most people don't care to look for an alternative |
| 22:44.21 | CuteMeOwnThroat | because there was none |
| 22:44.41 | vlt | Hello. After rebooting the execution of commands like `lvs` is really fast but after some event every lvm operation takes a little more than 1,500 ms. Any idea what could cause this? |
| 22:45.00 | CSmith- | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.00 | CSmith- | but i can't find it. so does anyone know where dbmmanage is or if there is another tool that reads & writes dbm and supports groups? |
| 22:45.03 | CuteMeOwnThroat | plus, I guess if you're connecting a couple of hundred machines your room for experimentation is pretty limited |
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| 22:45.26 | monsune | CuteMeOwnThroat please, read up on afs and learn about its security, scalability, etc. |
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| 22:46.15 | CuteMeOwnThroat | ain't nobody got time for that⦠but I'll have a look out if I see it somewhere |
| 22:46.42 | monsune | btw no issues with afs on zfs that i know of |
| 22:47.16 | CuteMeOwnThroat | zfs in itself is an issue⦠|
| 22:47.32 | CuteMeOwnThroat | like⦠quota command not working because it implements its own damn quota |
| 22:47.37 | CuteMeOwnThroat | stuff like that |
| 22:50.58 | CuteMeOwnThroat | CSmith-, I don't see it either |
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| 22:51.40 | CSmith- | is there an alternative tool that can manage dbm files and supports groups? |
| 22:51.54 | monsune | CuteMeOwnThroat when was the last time you tried zfs? |
| 22:51.56 | CuteMeOwnThroat | I only see the html docu page in apache2-doc |
| 22:52.10 | CuteMeOwnThroat | monsune, Friday. |
| 22:52.22 | monsune | linux or freebsd? |
| 22:52.59 | CuteMeOwnThroat | linux⦠but⦠kidding. we have a $HOME via nfs on top of zfs⦠obviously it's been set up 2 years ago, not Friday |
| 22:53.05 | CuteMeOwnThroat | and we'll keep using it |
| 22:53.12 | monsune | ftp://ftp.maths.tcd.ie/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-CVS/www/data/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/quotas.html |
| 22:53.22 | monsune | it does work and i tested that long ago |
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| 22:54.06 | CuteMeOwnThroat | CSmith-, it's just a perl script⦠if you think you need it, just get it from somewhere? |
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| 22:54.27 | CSmith- | I have looked but can't find it anywhere |
| 22:55.11 | monsune | CSmith- why not ask in #apache? |
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| 22:55.24 | CuteMeOwnThroat | monsune, quotas work, but not with the linux quota command⦠because ⦠I guess bsd-style (solaris) quotas and linux quotas are different |
| 22:55.25 | CSmith- | I'll take a look, thanks monsune |
| 22:55.33 | monsune | sure CSmith- |
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| 22:56.16 | exedore6 | Is networkmanager or /etc/network/interfaces considered the âdebianâ way these days? |
| 22:56.28 | CuteMeOwnThroat | CSmith-, there's a ./support/dbmmanage.in in the apache sources that come with the package |
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| 22:59.25 | CuteMeOwnThroat | CSmith-, seems to me like only the #! in the first line is being adjusted to fit the location of perl on that system |
| 22:59.45 | CSmith- | yeh i found it online. thanks |
| 22:59.46 | CuteMeOwnThroat | CSmith-, and I guess it's not in the debian package because it's in support/ |
| 22:59.51 | CSmith- | probably |
| 22:59.57 | monsune | exedore6 use /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:00.14 | CuteMeOwnThroat | CSmith-, you can get the source package with (go into a fresh directory for it) apt-get source apache2 |
| 23:00.34 | exedore6 | monsune: Thatâs the answer I like best, doesnât it feel like itâs going against the tide? |
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| 23:01.04 | exedore6 | monsune: I mean, it feels like that is going against the tide, as happy as I am to be able to stick with what I know. |
| 23:02.04 | monsune | it surely is going against the tide and that's also why you use debian :) |
| 23:02.39 | CuteMeOwnThroat | exedore6, I think both ways are similarly accepted⦠for things like laptops a fixed config in interfaces doesn't make so much sense⦠|
| 23:03.42 | exedore6 | monsune: If I wanted to buck the tide, Iâd still be using slackware :) |
| 23:03.51 | monsune | CuteMeOwnThroat didn't laptops exist in non-networkmanager era? |
| 23:04.24 | CuteMeOwnThroat | they did⦠and I ran one using an interfaces file. it sucked. |
| 23:04.27 | exedore6 | monsune: They did, but you had to take responsibility for your own network connection. |
| 23:04.39 | monsune | exedore6 why not freebsd? :) |
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| 23:04.52 | exedore6 | So I guess the concensus in this room is to use /etc/interfaces unless you have to use nm? |
| 23:05.02 | exedore6 | monsune: Because I want my hardware to have a chance at working. |
| 23:05.07 | monsune | no, it was just my 3 cents :) |
| 23:05.39 | exedore6 | monsune: I know, I thought we were playing. Iâve been in the game long enough to know that the grass is brown on all sides of the fence. |
| 23:05.40 | CuteMeOwnThroat | I think interfaces file makes most sense for a static IP |
| 23:06.08 | monsune | CuteMeOwnThroat what really makes it unsuitable for e.g. dhcp? |
| 23:06.20 | CuteMeOwnThroat | nothing |
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| 23:06.50 | monsune | so why did you state that it mostly made sense for static? :) |
| 23:06.55 | exedore6 | monsune: It falls down when you plug into a lot of networks, and different networks get different settings. |
| 23:06.56 | CuteMeOwnThroat | but adding different wireless keys as root to interfaces for every new encrypted network you get a key for sucks |
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| 23:07.37 | CuteMeOwnThroat | monsune, I said that I think it's the best solution for static IPs⦠that sentence doesn't say what is the best solution for any of the other cases |
| 23:07.39 | exedore6 | monsune: WIFI is the ur-example, with different settings depending on the SSID. |
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| 23:08.26 | monsune | exedore6 sure i agree, there might be cases where networkmanager is simply useful, it's all a matter of some common sense |
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| 23:09.14 | monsune | but what do you do if the networkmanager breakes for some reason and you have no idea how to manually setup the connection? |
| 23:09.22 | CuteMeOwnThroat | exedore6, but so I wouldn't want to say "this is the debian way and nothing else" ⦠depending on the use-case each can be a good solution |
| 23:09.51 | CuteMeOwnThroat | monsune, what if a meteor hits the earth and the sun doesn't reach its surface for 10 years |
| 23:10.06 | monsune | to me, debian way = conservative way |
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| 23:10.46 | exedore6 | CuteMeOwnThroat: I understand, I know interfaces. I guess my question is, âIt seems interfaces is deprecated, am I wrong?" |
| 23:11.03 | monsune | CuteMeOwnThroat look, most people can't even setup vhosts without cpanel anymore, they can't build a mail server, they can't even reboot a machine without UI... you really follow that path? |
| 23:11.32 | monsune | hell, they can't add a user to the system without cpanel :) |
| 23:12.28 | monsune | so my point is that it's good to have all those nice managers around and handy but the real sysadmin should know how to do bare metal stuff |
| 23:12.39 | missmbob | systemd-networkd has taken over for /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:13.25 | missmbob | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/systemd-networkd |
| 23:13.33 | monsune | missmbob never used that one in my life :) and i'm managing lots of machines, debian, ubuntu, centos, freebsd... |
| 23:14.01 | missmbob | then you should. systemd-networkd ties them all in. same config works across distros (and freebsd) |
| 23:14.34 | monsune | how do you restart networking using that? |
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| 23:15.00 | CuteMeOwnThroat | dpkg, interfaces |
| 23:15.00 | monsune | heard stories about people crying over missing /etc/init.d/networking restart? |
| 23:15.00 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration . See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>. |
| 23:15.22 | missmbob | same way you restart any systemd service. the service is called systemd-networkd.service |
| 23:15.32 | monsune | CuteMeOwnThroat you should lear a little more about networking before you give such advice :) |
| 23:15.38 | monsune | learn* |
| 23:15.50 | n4dir | systemd-networkd works on FreeBSD? |
| 23:16.02 | CuteMeOwnThroat | monsune, are you talking to yourself? |
| 23:16.17 | monsune | CuteMeOwnThroat no, i'm talking to you |
| 23:16.21 | missmbob | n4dir: sure. if you have systemd installed |
| 23:16.33 | missmbob | n4dir: just like on debian it's not required |
| 23:16.40 | CuteMeOwnThroat | monsune, maybe you should be talking to yourself |
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| 23:16.51 | CuteMeOwnThroat | I still have an interfaces file here |
| 23:17.00 | monsune | CuteMeOwnThroat you have proven your ignorance earlier today (afs) |
| 23:17.15 | CuteMeOwnThroat | monsune, you are still displaying yours⦠|
| 23:17.18 | monsune | and please, don't teach me about ifup/down... it has nothing to do with restart |
| 23:17.26 | CuteMeOwnThroat | and I don't think I have to know every fucking service on the world |
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| 23:18.02 | monsune | CuteMeOwnThroat so why act like you do? |
| 23:18.12 | abrotman | ahem ... |
| 23:18.15 | n4dir | you can install systemd on FreeBSD? |
| 23:18.22 | monsune | abrotman right |
| 23:18.28 | exedore6 | missmbob: Iâm not sure there is systemd for bsd. |
| 23:18.28 | abrotman | monsune: knock it off |
| 23:18.38 | missmbob | n4dir: systembsd |
| 23:18.38 | monsune | abrotman i just did |
| 23:18.50 | monsune | goes back to the corner. |
| 23:19.51 | n4dir | systembsd doesn't look like systemd to me |
| 23:20.13 | toruvinn | (OT) what do you guys recommend instead of raspberry pi 3b? ;-) |
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| 23:24.46 | CuteMeOwnThroat | missmbob, I don't see that interfaces has been actually replaced by systemd-networkd ⦠I think interfaces file is used to feed the service⦠at least on my work desktop, there is still a full active interfaces configuration. Admittedly I can't remember too much about the last upgrade, it's too long ago⦠and as I'm only accessing it remotely, I don't really want to mess with networking |
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