IRC log for #debian on 20161202

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04:10.13*** topic/#debian is Debian 8 Jessie released! /msg dpkg jessie ; /msg dpkg wheezy->jessie ; /msg dpkg install jessie | current point releases: /msg dpkg 8.6; /msg dpkg 7.11 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | testing/unstable: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) | chanlogs: /msg dpkg irclog
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04:13.32AudaxNovusAlexLikeRock this better? https://paste.ee/p/AJFyj
04:13.59AlexLikeRockno
04:14.27AlexLikeRock|| to paste use paste.debian.net ||
04:14.34AlexLikeRock<PROTECTED>
04:15.26AudaxNovusAlexLikeRock here you go! sorry https://paste.debian.net/hidden/38c7c36a/
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04:17.13AlexLikeRocktry    sudo apt-get --purge remove postgresql-*
04:17.54AlexLikeRockthey  say
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04:17.55AlexLikeRockv
04:17.58AlexLikeRockUse 'sudo apt autoremove' to remove it.
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04:19.11AudaxNovusOkay I've done similar to the first one, I'll try autoremove
04:19.42AudaxNovusCould not get the lock (11: resource temporarily unavailable)
04:19.49AudaxNovusUnable to lock the admin dir
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04:20.40AlexLikeRockdo you have  synaptic  open ?  (closed please )
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04:21.36josephine_hello folks, I just installed flash, do I need to reboot?
04:21.39AudaxNovusNo, I've not even started the GUI since it was last booted
04:21.51AudaxNovusInstalled flash, ripperoni josephine_
04:22.02AlexLikeRockjosephine_,   just  reboot  the browser , not the PC
04:22.13josephine_been there, did that, still have issues
04:22.37AlexLikeRockyes, flash player  ITS NOT  FREE FOSTWARE
04:22.51AlexLikeRockalwys happen whit  Flash player
04:23.17AlexLikeRockthey  eat  my 100 % of my peformance  of my laptop :-(
04:23.26AlexLikeRocki hate  Flash player
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04:23.46josephine_Anyone else have flash player working?
04:23.55AlexLikeRocki
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04:31.34josephine_Hello all, I installed flash (yeah I know flash sucks) I need it for school stuff
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04:32.04josephine_I followed the debian install instructions, restarted my browser, but still get 'failed to load yadda yadda'
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04:34.49josephine_never mind, figured it out. Thanks anyways
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04:39.12mrrtumpdevops is unpleasant
04:39.19mrrtumpcan we fight it?
04:39.25mrrtumpjava also needs to go
04:39.32AudaxNovusxd solid meme
04:39.45mrrtumpunregulated capitalism meme
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04:42.34AudaxNovusAlexLikeRock did autoremove, it realized it had to uninstall postgresql-common
04:42.40AudaxNovusThen it spammed that same line again
04:43.27AudaxNovusthe one about systemd-helper and head not found
04:43.40AlexLikeRockjust  forget    postgresql-common
04:43.48AudaxNovusI can't though I need a proper install
04:43.49AlexLikeRocklet it  stay  in you PC
04:43.51AudaxNovusIt
04:44.02AudaxNovusIt's a dependency for a program I absolutely 100% require
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04:45.08AlexLikeRockyou need  remove ?
04:45.24AudaxNovusI need it 100% removed
04:45.38AudaxNovusTo get a clean uninterrupted install this time
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04:51.01AudaxNovusAlexLikeRock any suggstions?
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04:51.36AlexLikeRockyes,
04:51.38AlexLikeRock<PROTECTED>
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04:53.29AlexLikeRock<PROTECTED>
04:53.39AlexLikeRock<PROTECTED>
04:53.44AlexLikeRocksudo apt-get autoremove
04:53.56AlexLikeRocksudo apt-get -f install
04:54.29AlexLikeRock<PROTECTED>
04:54.30dpkgrips the still-beating --force-remove-reinstreq postgresql-common from alexlikerock's chest, leaving alexlikerock in a coma.
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04:55.16AlexLikeRockAudaxNovus,      dpkg --purge  postgresql-common
04:55.49AlexLikeRock<PROTECTED>
04:55.53AlexLikeRockdone
04:56.05AlexLikeRocktell me how you go :-)
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05:05.22AudaxNovuswhjich ones holy crap
05:05.24AudaxNovusAm I doing
05:05.42AlexLikeRocklol
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05:05.58AlexLikeRocksome times  its  hard  to  remove  or Install pakages :-P
05:06.27AudaxNovusI still get this same crap
05:06.34AudaxNovusAbout diversions to /usr/bin/pg_config
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05:07.08AlexLikeRock???
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05:07.13AlexLikeRockpaste please
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05:23.26montrealHi guys
05:23.46montrealI have a problem and googling doesn't help
05:24.19Rusty1_try yahoo
05:24.19AlexLikeRock!ask
05:24.20dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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05:25.27montrealI was setting up nginx server and sudo start nginx says sudo: start: command not found
05:27.09Rusty1_montreal:  what version debian?
05:27.14_10chikHas anyone here had success in creating a boot drive that is recognized by recent macbooks, while simultaneously is able to be booted into from the Windows EFI bootloader?
05:27.19montrealjessie
05:27.26_10chik(Debian specifically)
05:27.49Rusty1_montreal:  try: sudo service start nginx
05:28.24AlexLikeRockmontreal,              try               service nginx start
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05:31.51montrealhmm, it works :)
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05:57.12AlexLikeRockvery good  montreal
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05:58.25montrealbut still something wrong with my uwsgi configuration
05:59.00AlexLikeRocki dont now  about
06:00.34montrealI'm using this tutorial. Everything was fine until the last step, where I was launching uswgi as daemon in emperor mode
06:00.37montrealhttp://vladikk.com/2013/09/12/serving-flask-with-nginx-on-ubuntu/
06:01.04daemonI am always in empower mode :)
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06:01.50montreallol :)
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06:10.56plasmoduckDoes the following command make a bootable usb installer?
06:11.01plasmoducksudo cp Downloads/debian-8.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso /dev/sdb1
06:11.25plasmoduckor is it just copying the image to the drive?
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06:14.07plasmoduckit seems so, but when I boot from the usb stick on my laptop, it's showing Intel(R) boot agent
06:14.35AlexLikeRockchange  to LEGACY
06:14.42plasmoduckPXE-E53: No boot filename received
06:14.44AlexLikeRockgo to BIOS  SETTINGS
06:14.50AlexLikeRockto change  plasmoduck
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06:15.05plasmoduckExotomg omte; bppt agemt omsert system disk in drive and press any key
06:15.16AlexLikeRockand change  USB-HDD  first
06:15.25plasmoduckwhat am I changing?
06:15.35plasmoduckchange what to LEGACY?
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06:16.49plasmoduckIts a Toshiba Portege R700
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06:19.03AlexLikeRockplasmoduck,   https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E26403_01/html/E26404/figures/mblegacyboot.jpg
06:19.29AlexLikeRockUEFI / BOOT mode : "LEGACY"
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06:21.53plasmoduckI have nothing like that in my bios
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06:28.05plasmoduckI select to boot from usb
06:28.12plasmoduckand its doing it's thing
06:28.16plasmoduckdhcp etct
06:28.20plasmoduckthen it exits
06:28.28plasmoduckand asks for a system disk
06:28.29plasmoduckwtf
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06:29.56plasmoduckfinally
06:30.01AlexLikeRockcool
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06:49.20awal1plasmoduck: btw, no root needed for cp that iso
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07:06.00k_sze[work]Is there a way to tell when and why a deb package was installed?
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07:06.27k_sze[work]e.g. some of my servers have libgeos-c1 installed, and I want to know what installed them (maybe as dependency).
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07:06.57nkuttlerk_sze[work]: aptitude why <pkg>
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07:12.08awal1k_sze[work], apt-cache rdepends pkgname  also may will help
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07:14.22k_sze[work]awal1: that seems to show *all* dependents, even those that are not installed, correct?
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07:14.46awal1k_sze[work], right
07:14.47k_sze[work]I guess that's useful if I uninstalled a dependent and have not done autoremove yet.
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07:15.32awal1rdepends just helps, as I said, aptitude why is more util in your case
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07:17.08k_sze[work]Thanks for the tips. :)
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07:41.53nkuttlerum, is there something in debian than can play apple lossless audio files?
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07:43.33somiajnkuttler: have you tried anything yet? maybe mpv or vlc
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07:44.13somiajfrdrwn: you can also just type /topic
07:44.34nkuttlersomiaj: i should have been more specific, using gstreamer.. yeah, mpv can play it :||
07:44.48nkuttlerwill just convert it to a proper format
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07:46.27frdrwnsomiaj: thanks
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08:05.07foul_owlHow do I get firefox save/open dialog, evince, et al to not use gnome 3 style windowing crap. My window manager is fluxbox and the windows are "stuck". xterm, vlc, etc work fine.
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08:07.18awal1foul_owl: you may get what you want removing all gtk3 stuff
08:07.39awal1+ adwaita stuff
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08:08.09foul_owllibwxgtk3.0 ?
08:08.48foul_owlHmm no...that tries to remove audacity also, that can't be right
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08:10.04awal1not sure what gtk3 and gnome stuff you "should" remove exactly but what you describe is gtk3 / gnome related, as I minimally i understand all that
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08:11.01awal1I dont know if you will get it since all your system/apps are interdependent
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08:12.49awal1If not wrong, firefox doesn't have full support for gtk3, evince is built with gtk3, foul_owl
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08:13.17awal1and gtk 3 = gnome
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08:14.57awal1foul_owl, I dont know how to explain you technically what i want to tell you, but you may have an idea yet about what I wanted to tell you
08:16.01foul_owlThe issue is that I think gtk3 stuff is deps for a TON of software
08:16.07foul_owlI just want to _disable_ it
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08:16.09foul_owlNot remove
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08:16.35foul_owlAh I'll keep digging
08:16.38foul_owlThanks
08:16.52awal1vlc is built with qt , not gtk; even if it supports it
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08:18.02fernieare you talking about csd in gtk3 ?
08:18.27awal1I guess I'm not wrong about what I said about vlc :D :P
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08:20.05awal1foul_owl: a few days ago I asked you about which theme are you using for your flux but you haven't answered
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08:21.32awal1desktop theme, not fluxbox windows decoration theme
08:21.47awal1a gtk2/3based one?
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08:26.38foul_owlAhhhhh
08:26.40foul_owlOk sorry
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08:27.55foul_owlI don't know....how do I check that?
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08:28.17foul_owlI'm not using like a "Desktop" addon ("desktop" in the windows sense of the word)
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08:38.44awal1foul_owl: almost all the apps you use use gtk (2 or 3) toolkit, and maybe somes of theme qt. so I don't know how you can get out of gtk (2/3) stuff
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08:41.31awal1install lxappearance pkg and choose a gtk2 based theme for your flux; you may kick off gtk3/gnome appearance for apps which, foul_owl doesn't depends on gtk3
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08:41.54foul_owlOoooo
08:41.57awal1which doesn't... ^ :D
08:41.59foul_owlThank you!!! Let me try that!!!
08:43.02awal1for sure apps that depends on gtk3 will still use gtk3 , such as evince :P
08:43.33foul_owlAh damn
08:43.39foul_owlSo basically there is no way to fix...ugh
08:43.43foul_owlgtk3 is awful
08:43.59foul_owlI have a multimonitor setup, and evince is stuck on the left monitor
08:44.04foul_owlcan't be resized or moved
08:44.31awal1"no way to fix" ? not sure :P
08:44.50foul_owlNo way to fix evince
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08:53.26styler2goHi, i am trying to get sound output through hdmi. Any idea where i should start?
08:54.14frdrwnusing pavucontrol alsamixer set output
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08:54.43styler2goAlready tried those things
08:55.01styler2goi also edited /etc/pulse/default.pa and set the default output device
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09:47.30atlasloewenherzgood day everyone!
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10:04.02Venihi!
10:04.05Hijirihi
10:04.31TraxHi all. I had installed in a virtual Machine the Debian 8 to test it a if everything its ok.. make a migration. The problem is.. that this Debian 8 VM sometimes... the router table appears empty. The Interface is not going down.. not unplugged the wire.. or whatever. Just the route table disappear.. and after several minutes... the route table appears correctly with all routes. Thats why..
10:04.31Traxsometimes... The server lose conectivity. I checked all the logs.. and I don´t see anything that could cause this clearing in the router table.
10:04.46TraxDoes anybody manage a problem like this?
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10:17.37dpkg#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users.  Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic.  Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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10:18.28dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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10:32.35atlasloewenherzi have a quite weired  network bridge problem, this is a system with xen and i have sevral PV domUs  which works fine and some HVM domUs that works partially ( only two out of seven HVM domUs have a working VIF )  any idea how to debug this down?
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10:39.50_22decembreI would like to know if anyone here knows a way to bond an eth and a wifi iface
10:40.07_22decembrewhile the wifi is still managed by networkmanager
10:41.15at0m_22decembre: https://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections might come in handy
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10:42.19_22decembreat0m: thanks. Have not seen this one page
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10:43.00MaheHey guys. I got a problem with cpu scaling. My '/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_driver' say 'intel_pstate'; '/sys/devices/system/cpu/intel_pstate/max_perf_pct' is 50 and '/sys/devices/system/cpu/intel_pstate/no_turbo' is 1. Yet, '/proc/cpuinfo' frequently shows values of 2.6 GHz for each core under load - on my 1.8GHz i5 (ivy bridge) processor. Actually, it should never go higher than 900 MHz with those settings. I'm running jessie
10:43.00Mahewith 3.16.0-4-amd64 kernel. Any idea what could be wrong?
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10:51.04mrrtumpfirmware-linux-nonfree
10:51.10mrrtumpamd or intel microcode package
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11:17.15deepbluvhow to fix this error: '[MhmdI.Mstfa@debian myfiles][bash][19:34:43]$ sdcc sdcc: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [ROOT:MhmdI.Mstfa@debian New folder][19:24:43]# dpkg -i  libstdc++6_6.2.1-5_i386.deb   dpkg: regarding libstdc++6_6.2.1-5_i386.deb containing libstdc++6:i386: libstdc++6 breaks libboost-date-time1.55.0 libboost-date-time1.55.0:amd64 (version 1.5
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11:20.37madoHello everyone :) ...
11:21.22madoI'm sorry but I'm a little lost right now. Can you please tell me what the difference between ISOs on -> https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.6.0/i386/iso-cd/ <- and ISOs on -> https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/i386/iso-hybrid/ <- are?
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11:22.29azarusHey guys! When i try to do "xbacklight", it returns "No outputs have backlight property" even though i've used xbacklight on a different distro before.
11:22.39jellydeepbluv: which debian release are you supposed to have installed?
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11:23.46madoI'd like to install Debian 8.6 on my dad's computer ... and I thought since it's an older computer "mate" would be a good idea ... but "mate" can only be found on those iso-hybrids ... i'm a little confused though as to which one I can actually use now though ... on a usb pendrive and or CD/DVD
11:24.15introomhow to boot debian8.6 into text mode ?
11:24.51jellydeepbluv: pastebin the output of «ldd ./sdcc» and «echo "native: $(dpkg --print-architecture) multiarch: $(dpkg --print-foreign-architectures)"»
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11:26.01jellymado: first is the installer, second is the live image.  They are not the same.  Use the installer image to install stuff.
11:26.34convergewhen I try to run skype, I get this error: skype: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64, anyone knows why ?
11:26.50deepbluvjelly: sorry ,I don't have access to the machine right now
11:27.07jellydeepbluv: no problem, ask again when you do
11:27.33jellyconverge: how did you install skype?
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11:27.58convergejelly, im using deepin, just apt-get install skype
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11:28.13madogotcha, jelly ... thank you ... soooo -> https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.6.0/i386/iso-cd/ <- it is then ... but since none of these come with "mate" preinstalled ... what do you suggest i should use and burn on to a cd/dvd then?
11:28.27jellyconverge: ask the deepin people then, Debian does not come with a prepared repo for skype
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11:32.06jellymado: the installer does not come with anything preinstalled, installation is a process.  Assuming you have (wired) internet connection available at install time, you can pick the desired desktop environment as a step in the process
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11:32.52jellymado: if you only have wireless on that machine, you may need to try the debian-installer image with non-free firmware
11:33.00jelly!firmware images
11:33.00dpkgUnofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ .  See also <install guide>.
11:33.25madoi'm a little confused, jelly ... 1) yes, i do have a wired internet connection ... 2) i don't completely get which ISO then to download that lets me pick a desktop environment
11:33.41madodebian-8.6.0-i386-CD-1.iso ... comes with GNOME
11:33.47madodebian-8.6.0-i386-kde-CD-1.iso  ... KDE
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11:33.54madodebian-8.6.0-i386-lxde-CD-1.iso ... LXDE
11:34.08jellymado: use the netinst one.
11:34.20jellymado: are you 100% sure you want a 32bit OS?
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11:34.36babilenmado: All of them allow you to choose *any* desktop environment. The images simply differ in the packages that they contain (and that don't have to be downloaded again) and the pre-selected environment
11:35.05madouh! ... i overlooked that ... ha! :D ... yes, jelly ... for my dad's computer i need a 32bit version ... the computer he wants to use at the moment is at least 6 years old if not older
11:35.23jelly6 years old will probably be 64bit as well
11:35.38madomaybe ... but he only has 2 gb of ram
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11:35.57frdrwni have 2 gb ram but 64 bit
11:37.01madomy own computer is about 8 years old and close to failing completely ... i'm also using a 64 bit version ... but i thought that everything below 3gb should use 32bit? ... guess i'm wrong then? :)
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11:37.14jellymado: try the combined 32+64 bit image (the one on the main page www.debian.org), if it detects and installs 64bit, go with that
11:37.57jellythat seems to be at https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.6.0/multi-arch/iso-cd/
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11:38.58jellyit's possible to add specific 32bit support back into a 64bit installation, and it's also possible to do the opposite if hardware allows
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11:40.03madowell jelly ... i'm still more or less new to the world of GNU Linux ... i'm not able to do that yet
11:40.03jellybut installing a 32bit system on 64bit-capable hardware is maybe a suboptimal choice these days
11:40.15madobut alright, jelly ... i'll be burning this ISO then
11:40.31madothese days, maybe ... but don't forget it's an older computer :)
11:40.48jellyif you have an extra usb stick you may use that and not have to burn anything
11:41.37madoyeah ... i'll use one for my own computer some time sooner or later ... so the ISO you showed me can be burned and used on a usb pen drive ... nice :)
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11:42.21jellymy 2007 core2 desktop at work was 64bit-capable
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11:44.37madowhat tool on Windows would you suggest i should use when using the ISO you just showed me, jelly?
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11:45.57jellyto overwrite a usb stick?
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11:45.59jelly!win32diskimager
11:45.59dpkgwin32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ .  Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show Debian .iso images.  See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details.
11:46.01babilendpkg: win32diskimager
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11:47.51madothank you ... i'll be right back
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12:14.21zer0mad_new canadian is hot
12:14.23zer0mad_:)
12:14.27zer0mad_nice jackets
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12:16.13hellyeahhow to check which graphic driver i use?
12:16.49mrrtumpdont
12:16.52mrrtumpjust relax
12:17.02hellyeahwhy relax? :D
12:17.02mrrtumplearn some programming
12:17.06mrrtumptime better spent
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12:17.14hellyeahi know some programming :D
12:17.15mrrtumpswi prolog is pretty cool
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12:17.33mrrtumpthink you could clone craigslist or 4chan?
12:17.34hellyeahprolog is logical programming language right
12:17.54mrrtumpunregulated capitalism is best
12:18.00hellyeahmrrtump:  are you supporter of TRUMP?
12:18.00bazhangmrrtump, thats so offtopic here
12:18.08mrrtumpof course
12:18.22bazhangmrrtump, so please stop it
12:18.23hellyeahso i understand why you are high like that :D
12:18.49hellyeahokey i wanna know i am using free diver or propeorit driver
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12:20.42nikitasiushi folks! can someone help with bash?
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12:20.52nikitasiushere is problem... https://gist.github.com/nikitasius/46ccd235b3ca6bc8260fe31b1a4a8414
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12:29.52dschenseHi everybody. I have some problems with internet connection and static ip. with dhcp everything is working just fine, but after setting the ip static i can still ping the router and everything else in the network, but dont have internet connection. anybody who can help?
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12:30.25ImUs3rhow can i know that app is installed or not?
12:31.30aviannikitasius, something like this? https://gist.github.com/avian2/f79dd06983620d7905243ed088af4839
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12:35.41icebraindschense: have you set the default gateway?
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12:36.19icebraindschense: also, DNS servers? can you ping 8.8.8.8 ?
12:36.23dschenseyes, I did, but its still not working
12:36.39dschenseno, i cant ping anything outsite mit local network
12:37.18dschenseiface eth0 inet static
12:37.18dschenseaddress 192.168.178.201
12:37.18dschensenetmask 255.255.255.0
12:37.18dschensegateway 192.168.178.1
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12:38.00dschensesorry for flood. wanted to paste to pastebin. wrong window
12:38.02icebraindschense: that sounds fine. please paste the output of "route -n" and of the file /etc/resolv.conf
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12:38.57dschense192.168.178.0   0.0.0.0         255.255.255.0   U     0      0        0 eth0
12:39.31dschensethis was route -n
12:39.50dschenseand resolv.conf is: domain fritz.box search fritz.box nameserver 192.168.178.1
12:39.56dschenseseems legit for me.
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12:44.02dschenseicebrain: anything else I can look for?
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12:44.17icebrainsorry not from the top of my head :|
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12:50.13MartiiniI'm thinking of repartitioning my drive ... is it ok to change gpt SSD drive to mbr and erase all windows partitions ... on my new lenovo bios there is uefi, gpt ..
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12:52.57helldoradohi all
12:53.34helldoradoit's possible to backports for some packages with pkgsel un preseed
12:53.37jmp_Martiini: rather not
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13:13.15fadaviHello there, i've some error/warning in dmesg output (Ubuntu 16.10): paste.ubuntu.com/23567596/ any idea? solution?
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13:34.41jim_carryAny use debian on thinkpad 430?
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13:50.57automatonhi, how do I know which files did a package install?
13:51.25automatonwithout google I mean
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13:56.38_22decembreautomaton: why not going to see on packages.debian.org ?
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13:57.43automaton_22decembre, nah
13:58.45TomTomToschautomaton: dpkg -L <pkg>
13:58.50hwbjautomaton why not try  dpkg -L PACKAGENAME
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13:59.36automatonthanks hwbj TomTomTosch
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14:19.49ImUs3rwhat is shorten of dmesg?
14:20.32jellyImUs3r: can you rephrase that question?
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14:21.22ImUs3rwhat dmesg is shorted with?
14:21.53abrotmanWhat?
14:21.58abrotmanImUs3r: try to phrase it differently
14:22.37ImUs3rdmesg is shorted word, what is it?
14:23.20tremondmesg isn't an abbreviation, if that's what you mean
14:24.32ImUs3rtremon: disk message error send go?
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14:26.25ImUs3rwhat is abbreviation of dmesg?
14:26.49tremonthe freebsd manual page (https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?dmesg) is clearer than debian's: it "displays the system message buffer"
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14:27.49jellyImUs3r: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmesg
14:27.50ImUs3rthanks tremon ;)
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15:18.21ImUs3ri can’t see file name of chinese, then how can i see it? file name is strange to me :(
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15:24.25ImUs3ri can’t see file name of chinese, then how can i see it? file name is strange to me  :( help me plz
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15:25.48setuidOther than entity encoding (%40F), is there an easy way to support "http://user@fqdn:pass@host:8080/"(parsing two @ signs in the same proxy var) in the netboot installer's proxy config? Seems to parse/drop one of them as it passes it along to upstream auth.
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15:26.15setuidISTR there was a bracketed way of doing it, [user@host]:pass type of thing
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15:39.10n4dirhttps://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/42273/export-http-proxy-and-special-characters-in-passwd ?
15:39.37setuid"Other than..." :)
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15:40.16greycatIf you already have a working solution, why are you asking?
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15:41.11setuidgreycat, Because I thought there was another way, tmtowtdi and all that. I'll bang on it a bit. I just don't recall the syntax.
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15:42.38introomhow to force debian to start with framebuffer disabled?
15:42.58introomsetting "vga=normal nofb nomodeset text" in GRUB, still fails though.
15:43.17setuidintroom, is it doing uefi boot, high-res grub?
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15:43.52introomsetuid: high-res grub?
15:43.54introomwhat's that?
15:44.17setuidLike if you boot with a 4k screen, the grub text is 3840x2160, microscopic
15:44.57setuidvideo=vesafb:off
15:45.06setuidTry adding that
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15:45.33introomthe VM is run by qemu/kvm
15:45.42setuid*nod*, ok... so try that
15:45.45introomit's debian8.6
15:45.58setuidWhich video card did you assign?
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15:46.19setuidCirrus?
15:46.30setuidqxl? vga? vmvga?
15:46.44introomsetuid: didn't assign anything. sudo kvm -m 256 eva.qcow -net nic,model=virtio -net user,net=192.168.101.0/24,hostfwd=tcp::8022-:22
15:46.49introomthat's the command I run up the vm.
15:47.14introomsetuid: I am new to qemu/kvm.  so dunno what video card is assigned.
15:47.25setuidload up virt-manager and check
15:47.55setuidOr, just use -vga std
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15:48.11introomsetuid: it's on a server. no X installed. and I can only ssh into the server.
15:48.19introomthe server is running qemu/kvm.
15:49.27setuidRight, so use -vga std when building it
15:50.08setuidvga=normal nofb nomodeset video=vesafb:off i915.modeset=0
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15:50.24introomsetuid: set that inside grub ?
15:50.36setuidYes, or in your boot line, whichever is easier
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15:54.07Cryp71cUsing apt-get to install some stuff in an automated fashion, but one of the things actually opens up a graphical prompt for accepting the "license agreement" for which the -y flag does not auto-accept. This is a major hangup, is there anyway I can script around it?
15:54.19introomthe whole command I am using is: sudo kvm -m 256 eva.qcow -net nic,model=virtio -net user,net=192.168.101.0/24,hostfwd=tcp::8022-:22 -curses
15:54.32introomnote the -curses, I've no X env around.
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15:57.48introombut I can ssh into that vm. /var/log/syslog says, "Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 128x48"
15:57.55introomso framebuffer is still used.
15:58.05ws2k3im trying to compile php on debian 8 but im getting the error configure: error: Unable to locate gmp.h i already installed libgmp-dev on wheezy this was enough anything else i need to do or why this is not working?
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15:58.45greycatFigure out which package it's in on jessie.
15:58.52greycatjudd file gmp.h
15:58.55juddSearch for gmp.h in jessie/amd64: liblrs-dev: usr/include/lrsgmp.h; libgmp-dev: usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/gmp.h; libcore++-dev: usr/include/CORE/Gmp.h; libc6-dev: usr/include/netinet/igmp.h; linux-libc-dev: usr/include/linux/igmp.h; libisl-dev: usr/include/isl/val_gmp.h; libcgal-dev: usr/include/CGAL/CORE/Gmp.h, usr/include/CGAL/gmp.h; musl-dev: usr/include/x86_64-linux-
15:58.56juddmusl/netinet/igmp.h; libwireshark-dev: usr/include/wireshark/epan/dissectors/packet-igmp.h, usr/include/wireshark/epan/dissectors/packet-rgmp.h; linux-headers-3.16.0-4-common: usr/src/linux-headers-3.16.0-4-common/include/linux/igmp.h, usr/src/linux-headers-3.16.0-4-common/include/uapi/linux/igmp.h
15:59.39greycatBah.  Don't know what syntax to use to help judd narrow it down.
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16:00.31greycatAh, this one works:
16:00.37greycatjudd file ?/gmp.h
16:00.40juddSearch for ?/gmp.h in jessie/amd64: libcore++-dev: usr/include/CORE/Gmp.h; libcgal-dev: usr/include/CGAL/CORE/Gmp.h, usr/include/CGAL/gmp.h; libgmp-dev: usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/gmp.h
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16:01.33ws2k3i think im not following you greycat
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16:02.04greycatThe file is in package libgmp-dev (probably).
16:02.07greycatSo install that.
16:02.14ws2k3greycat i already did
16:02.29greycatYou said you installed it on WHEEZY, but that you are now using jessie.  Make sure it's still installed.
16:02.32ws2k3im trying to compile php on debian 8 but im getting the error configure: error: Unable to locate gmp.h i already installed libgmp-dev on wheezy this was enough anything else i need to do or why this is not working? look in my question
16:02.56greycatSee? Still says "debian 8" and "wheezy" just as if you repeated that SAME FUCKING WORDS WITH NO MODIFICATIONS.
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16:03.42ws2k3greycat i did repeat the same words with no modifications
16:03.47greycatThen you suck.
16:04.09ws2k3greycat anyway i verified its installed on jessie and it is installed and still im getting the same error
16:04.23greycatInstead of repeating what we already saw, you could paste the line that proves you CURRENTLY, on THIS version of Debian, have the package installed.
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16:04.53ws2k3greycat libgmp-dev is already the newest version. (jessie)
16:05.15greycat*sigh* ok... then your build process probably needs to be configured to find it.
16:05.17ws2k3i copyed it from my terminal do you desire i paste it anyway?
16:05.27greycatThat is pasting.  This is pasting.  You pasted.
16:05.39ws2k3okay thx
16:05.44greycatI would have gone with pasting the "ii" line from dpkg -l, but I guess this is acceptable.
16:06.12greycatFigure out what you have to do to your thing-you-are-building to make it find the header.  There might be a flag you have to pass to ./configure or something.
16:06.20ws2k3greycat ii  libgmp-dev:amd64               2:6.0.0+dfsg-6               amd64
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16:06.23colo-workyou can _probably_ build PHP without the gmp library; did you check its configure script?
16:06.32greycatOh, it's php.  God.  No wonder.
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16:06.42ws2k3greycat --with-gmp yes php
16:06.44colo-workgmplib 6 is the latest major release of the library, so that should be fine
16:06.48greycatI won't even ask why you are buliding upstream php instead of using the debian packages.
16:06.52colo-workso issue --without-gmp
16:06.57colo-workunless you are sure you need its features
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16:07.09colo-work(unless you expect to do bignum arithmetic a lot, you probably don't)
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16:08.22ws2k3colo-work im sure i need its features
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16:08.40greycatThen ask ##php what ./configure flag to use to tell it the LOCATION of the header file.
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16:08.55greycatOr run ./configure --help again and read the output more thoroughly.
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16:09.20ws2k3greycat i need --with-gmp=/PATH but then i need to find out where the gmp.h is in debian
16:09.27greycatjudd file ?/gmp.h
16:09.30juddSearch for ?/gmp.h in jessie/amd64: libcore++-dev: usr/include/CORE/Gmp.h; libcgal-dev: usr/include/CGAL/CORE/Gmp.h, usr/include/CGAL/gmp.h; libgmp-dev: usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/gmp.h
16:09.32greycatTa da!
16:09.55colo-workws2k3, next time you want to find that out, run `dpkg -S gmp.h`
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16:11.51n4dirnot sure, but i seem to have just learned that "whereis" will tell you where is (say gmp)
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16:12.26greycatOnce it's installed on your system, there are several ways, including "locate".
16:13.08n4dirwhich i usually use. "whereis" only got stuck as to me it was a funny name.
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16:14.49ws2k3ln -s /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/gmp.h /usr/include/gmp.h did the job
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16:49.24p53ud0nymHi, I'm getting an error running apt update in sid for "Err:3 http://security.debian.org sid/updates Release"
16:49.48p53ud0nymIt returns "404  Not Found [IP: 212.211.132.250 80]". What's the issue?
16:49.51greycatSid's not supported here.
16:49.59greycatSid also has no security updates, duh.
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16:56.04zh1is there any way i can reverse a rm -rf ?
16:56.18colo-workrestore from backups
16:56.26AlexLikeRockhahahaha
16:56.32AlexLikeRockzh1,    nooooooooooooooooooooo
16:56.39AlexLikeRockhahahahhah
16:56.41greycatcolo-work's answer is correct.
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16:56.58colo-workif you don't have any, unmount the filesystem, and DO NOT TOUCH it. make a block-wise copy of the backing device, and see if you can use a filesystem-specific tool to get your data back, at least in part.
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16:57.29Richard_CavellHello everyone.  I'm trying to dual boot OS X and Debian on an iMac5,1.  Where should I put GRUB?  I tried putting it on sda4, but when it rebooted Debian wouldn't load.  Here's my partition map: https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0sG5Vpechopyk;F72CC431-14E9-423E-B6EB-2A057C90014F https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0sG5Vpechopyk;4F72EF19-240A-44DB-AB2D-AE0B66BDDE52
16:57.34greycatmounting read-only is an acceptable substitute for unmounting, maybe
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16:59.14introomsetuid: qemu -vga virtio did the trick.
16:59.32introomthanks for reminding me qemu -vga std, unless the problem won't be solved.
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17:06.58setuidmice
17:07.04setuider nice... should document that
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17:13.52setuidintroom, What difficulties was the fb causing for you?
17:14.01setuidand how did you inject it into the boot args at provisioning time?
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17:21.15dinknukem3dhey fuck you crooked nigger dick suckin jew sons of bitches that try to censor everyone...you thieving, lying, murdering, raping, pedaphile sons of bitches need to be brought to justice.
17:21.24setuidsigh
17:21.39setuidwonders where he put the /report option
17:21.43Epakai!ops dinknukem3d got lost on the internet
17:21.44dpkgHydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: epakai complains about: dinknukem3d got lost on the internet
17:23.44dinknukem3dyou motherfuckers need to pay for your fuckin crimes...you got something against pig farmers getting sick of feeding the rich fat pigs and desiring to protect little girls from monsters like you sons of bitches
17:24.40dinknukem3dyou think laws should be broken and everyone should be allowed to kill little girls like Anne Frank and others
17:24.46teraflops./ignore add dinknukem3d
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17:26.01dinknukem3dMarshall James Anderson doesnt think so....he would kill all the men that got in his way of saving a little girl
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17:30.23IotaHappy Pizza Friday!
17:31.01dinknukem3dyou want to sit on your crooked asses and suck niggers dicks and do nothing about people kidnapping and murdering Anne Frank and many other innocent and helpless little girls
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17:32.56zh1did a rm -rf ~ by accident so... how can i recover user system files? the rest i have a backup
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17:35.48centrxzh1: You could use an undeletion tool like extundelete or testdisk
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17:36.15centrxzh1: Note that you should not continue to use the disk, except in read-only mode, or you risk permanent deletion of your files.
17:36.28centrxzh1: (that is, until you are finished with undeleting)
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17:43.34Richard_CavellHello everyone.  I'm trying to dual boot OS X and Debian on an iMac5,1.  Where should I put GRUB?  I tried putting it on /dev/sda4, but when it rebooted Debian wouldn't load.  Here's my partition map: https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0sG5Vpechopyk;F72CC431-14E9-423E-B6EB-2A057C90014F https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0sG5Vpechopyk;4F72EF19-240A-44DB-AB2D-AE0B66BDDE52
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17:44.40convergeRichard_Cavell, are you using bootcamp ?
17:44.46Richard_CavellNo Sir
17:44.51Richard_CavellShould I be?
17:45.50convergeRichard_Cavell, yes, its the best way to do it
17:48.00Richard_CavellEven though I'm installing debian rather than Windows?
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17:49.44somiajRichard_Cavell: doesn't osx use efi? In this case wouldn't you want to put grub in the efi partition?
17:50.05Richard_CavellI don't want to bork my computer's ability to load OS X
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17:54.49Richard_Cavellconverge: So do I just pretend that I'm installing Windows 7?  Please don't give me advice if you're not familiar with it.
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17:58.23convergeRichard_Cavell, I installed it without bootcamp, had a lot of problems, after I did it using bootcamp, had not errors, grub was installed correct with 0 errors. If you dont want advices, dont ask for it
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18:03.16yogiman-wsHello all, can anyone advise, according to the debian wiki if I create a USB installer stick and I want to include any non-free firmware I can place the required firmware files into the folder /firmware on the usb stick. OK seems simple enough, except for the fact that the USB stick is read only to both me as a user and to the root account, am I missing something here or is this a bit of a bug in the documentation?
18:04.27somiajyogiman-ws: be careful the instructions are assuming you are installing from a cd.
18:04.48somiajyogiman-ws: if installing from a usb you need to have the firmware on a seperate usb drive, it is kinda vague, but just use the firmware installer
18:04.51somiaj!firmware images
18:04.52dpkgUnofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ .  See also <install guide>.
18:05.11yogiman-wssomiaj, well they don't appear to do so, but even if that were correct a CD would be read only too?
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18:05.30somiajyogiman-ws: no if you were on a CD, you would have the firmware on the root directory of an usb drive
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18:06.19greycatBurned CDs (iso 9660 file systems) are most definitely read-only.  That file system was never designed to support writes.
18:06.25yogiman-wssomiaj, I thought about that, had a 2nd usb stick at hand fat32 with the firmware on the usb stick, it doesn't see the 2nd stick regardless of when the stick is inserted, i.e before boot or when it asks for the firmware
18:06.27somiaji.e. the firmware needs to be on a medium that is not the install medium (which means that even if you make a partition of the unused space on a usb drive and put it there, you have to manually copy it over)
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18:06.56somiajyogiman-ws: yea I've seen others have problems. It works if booting from a cd, it needs to be cleaned up as most people don't install from cds but from usb drives.
18:07.15somiajso your choices are 1) use the unoffical netinstall image with firmware installed
18:07.30somiaj2) manually copy the firmware to the correct place by hitting alt-f2 inside the installer and opening up a shell
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18:07.47yogiman-wsok somiaj thanks for the tip, think the documentation needs some work on this one ;)
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18:08.15yogiman-wssomiaj, I appreciate your help, hope I can return the favour sometime :) be well.
18:08.34somiajyea I think most just have learned how to deal with firmware. I think the installer needs to be fixed so it can use firmware from a second partiion on the installer usb or correctly scan other places
18:08.41somiajor better yet allow the user to specify the location of the firmware
18:08.56yogiman-wssomiaj, sounds like a good idea to me
18:09.05somiajin this case I think manually copying the firmware to /target/lib/firmware will work
18:09.25yogiman-wssomiaj, ok will give that a go, thanks again :)
18:09.35somiajor maybe /lib/firmware in the memeory filesystem and let the installer copy it over (its been so long since I have installed I forget the deatils)
18:10.33yogiman-wssomiaj, well yes same here, but last time I installed from CD and used mem stick for firmware.  Thought I'd save a CD and some space in a landfill this time, should have known better.
18:11.10yogiman-wssomiaj, again thank you, will go and try that now.
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18:22.34Cryp71cTrying to use debconf to set an installation parameter but I'm not doing something right. I need "msodbcsql       msodbcsql/accept_eula   select  true" but I'm getting "debconf msodbcsql/accept_eula   select  true"
18:23.36Cryp71cNevermind.
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18:32.59le_pigAnyone aware of a preseed generator, like the kickstart configurator?  I found a Google Code project called "phelper", but it's abandoned.
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18:35.10somiajle_pig: not really, I think the prefered method is take the example preseed and modify it to your needs.
18:35.49le_pigsomiaj: I appreciate the reply. Looks like I've got a fun weekend project then. :)
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18:43.53zh1centrx, i was using testdisk previously to recover some files
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18:53.04HijiriWhy was krita included in jessie but isn't in stretch?
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18:58.58somiajHijiri: looks like it hasn't been upgraded/matained since then and there was problably some bug thta removed it.
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18:59.36somiajahh seems like the Calligra source changed, one second
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19:01.36somiajHijiri: http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/c/calligra/unstable_changelog -- it is mentioned in the changelog, "Drop krita entirely from this source, since a newer version of it is going to be provided by a separate krita source" -- this seems like the plan as of Mon, 12 Sep 2016 but it could be the new source is not ready and in debian. Since stretch is freezing soon I cannot say weither
19:01.42somiajor not it will be ready by that time.
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19:02.20Cryp71cTrying to install something via apt-get that doesn't have any sources (msodbcsql) available; it has a eula that I'm trying to bypass by using debconf-set-selections, and I did that correctly but the eula still pops up.
19:02.31Cryp71cIs there anyway to figure out what else its looking at which causes that eula to pop up?
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19:03.06somiajit could be a post/pre install script. Usually non-free software won't let you bypass its eula
19:03.53somiajI also do not see that package in debian, is this third party? if so I would direct questions about their package to the person who makes it, including if there is a way to automate the signing of the eula
19:03.53Cryp71cThis is free, but its preview software so I had to add a source manually.
19:04.09somiajfree as in DSFG free? shouldn't need a eula for that.
19:04.14Cryp71csh -c 'echo "deb [arch=amd64] https://apt-mo.trafficmanager.net/repos/mssql-ubuntu-xenial-release/ xenial main" > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mssqlpreview.list' && apt-key adv --keyserver apt-mo.trafficmanager.net --recv-keys 417A0893
19:04.40Cryp71cHere is MS's post about it on their blog (technical preview): https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/sqlphp/2016/11/29/early-technical-preview-of-microsoft-drivers-4-0-7-for-php-on-linux-for-sql-server-released/
19:05.00somiajso ask the creater of this software (appears non-free to me), we don't support thrid party software here.
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19:05.27Cryp71cAlready have, was just curious if there was a way to automate the agreement of the EULA so I can have it install via a script.
19:05.48Cryp71cI thought debconf-set-selections was what I needed, but indeed it is not.
19:05.50greycatRun the script in a terminal so it can prompt the end user.
19:06.02Cryp71cgreycat, its part of a VM provisioning script (right in the middle)
19:06.14greycatLet the end user comply with the license by typing stupid shit.
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19:06.23somiajit is more likely the post/pre install scripts requiring the prompt, not debconf, but anyways ask the person who created the package.
19:06.32Cryp71cwill do.
19:07.01somiajif they just gave you the source -- oh wait non-free -- you could just look at it.
19:07.16jellyCryp71c: where are you getting this package from?
19:07.30greycat14:04  Cryp71c> sh -c 'echo "deb [arch=amd64] https://apt-mo.trafficmanager.net/repos/mssql-ubuntu-xenial-release/ ...
19:07.58jellyand how are they significantly better than freetds drivers?
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19:09.44Cryp71cjelly, I've attempted to use freetds a handful of times with enterprise php applications and have repeatedly run into issues with various functionality, transactions or insertion ids or other weird things; its been a year or so since I last gave it a try.
19:10.42jellywe've been using freetds for more than 15 years now
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19:11.16mrrtumpdebian is kicking ass
19:11.20mrrtumpIm liking it!
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19:11.25mrrtumpvlc freezes a bit
19:11.33crash_mpv to the rescue!
19:11.34jellybut okay, php is often problematic, prefixed with "enterprise" doesn't make it better
19:11.37mrrtumpabiword and chrome farked on testing here
19:11.49jellymrrtump: are you using testing?
19:11.54mrrtumpyep
19:12.04jellythen if you have issues,
19:12.07Cryp71cjelly, thanks, I appreciate it though
19:12.08mrrtumparchlinux is just too painful to install now
19:12.08jelly!debian-next
19:12.08dpkg#debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode.  If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
19:12.33mrrtumpi cant get into debian next
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19:12.41greycatIt's on OFTC.
19:12.59jellydifferent irc network
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19:19.01Howdyhey guys..
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19:19.24Howdyhey guys 04:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Hawaii XT [Radeon R9 290X]  when I run this command my Debian Jessie frezzzzes
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19:19.43SerajewelKSHowdy: what command?  lspci?
19:19.56Howdyoh +
19:20.15Howdy<PROTECTED>
19:20.19Howdybut 08 is 04
19:20.29greycatSo... don't type that.
19:20.47Howdywhat I gotta type Gurus
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19:21.06greycatWhy did you type that?  What did you expect it to do?
19:21.08SerajewelKSthat depends on what you're trying to do?
19:21.46Howdyecho 0000:04:00.0 > /sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:04:00.0/driver/unbind
19:21.51deuphi everyone! happy friday!
19:22.03Howdyunbind the VGA from Dom0 so I can assign it to DOMu
19:22.20boxrick1How does bond-master in the interfaces differ to bond-slaves in the bond itself? Since one seems to work and the other not
19:23.10jellyboxrick1: they're two different things.  What do you mean?
19:23.20zykotick9greycat: <sidenote> your "So... don't type that." made me laugh out loud - thanks.
19:23.21boxrick1That explains why then :)
19:23.35boxrick1So how does bond-slaves work then ?
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19:24.22Howdymy Debian Brothers & sisters
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19:24.53jellyHowdy: rhetorics don't help much in here, try to keep to tech
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19:25.28Howdy:-( Meanies
19:25.59deupwhats the best IDE for me to make interactive GUIs with debian?
19:26.05SerajewelKS!best
19:26.06dpkgBest for what?  Please define what you mean by "best".  Gloria Gaynor!  Tina Turner!  Aretha Franklin!  Men without Hats!  Women without Hats!  Men at Work!  Women at Play!  Anyone for Tennis!
19:26.11jellyHowdy: if noone comments on your issue, it means they probably do not know so extra pleading does not help
19:26.11greycatI asked dpkg what dom0 and domu are and he doesn't know either.  Sorry.
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19:26.36SerajewelKSHowdy: you might have better luck asking in a xen-specific channel
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19:26.59jellygreycat: in Xen parlance, dom0 is the host (-ish) and domU is a guest (VM) or so
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19:27.36greycatI swear, you guys invented this vm shit just because were bored one day with things just working and you needed some new breaking stuff to fix.
19:27.41Howdyok, already asked in XEN...
19:27.53boddaxhi got problem installing on mobo asus m5a99x efi grub install error
19:27.55jellygreycat: and you're catching on that just now?
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19:28.21SerajewelKSdeup: to address your question, that depends on what programming languages you know.  IDEs don't do everything for you.
19:29.26SerajewelKSdeup: for example, if you know C# then you could use monodevelop with the integrated gtk# designer.  there are options, and "best" is subjective.
19:30.04boddaxchanged alredy secure boot bios but no effects still remain grub install issue
19:30.44deupSerajewelKS: I agree, this is partly a learning opportunity for myself as well, I'm decent with C#, C++, some python, but I'm also being given the opportunity to learn on this project. So any opinions would be greatly received
19:31.46bootstrapninjasorry for the off topic -_- but.. anyone knows how I could get an invite for the ##security channel?
19:32.01SerajewelKSdeup: honestly the only GUI designers i've used on linux are glade (which is not an IDE, but only a GUI designer) and monodevelop
19:32.36SerajewelKSdeup: i like monodevelop, but it can be a tad buggy here and there, and it's a memory hog
19:32.59SerajewelKSdeup: most of my other GUI work is building web application GUIs, so i'm using html+javascript frameworks and not GUI designers
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19:33.50SerajewelKSso basically, i don't have much breadth of experience with linux IDEs.  but i would suggest looking at monodevelop at least, if the idea of C# on linux doesn't make you uncomfortable.
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19:34.47SerajewelKSdeup: note that glade is language-agnostic; you can use its products with any language that has glade bindings.  which is most of them.
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19:34.58deupcool, thanks for the tips
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19:35.59deupanyone have experience with yocto over debian? I have a couple engineers saying to use yocto, and I honestly can't figure out a good reason to
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19:36.45SerajewelKSyocto and debian are different things.  debian is a distro, yocto is a distro-builder.
19:37.34SerajewelKSdo you need to build your own distro for an embedded environment?
19:37.36deupthats what I had read. which is what further confused me why the engineers wanted me to use it, when a perfectly good distro exists for rpi3
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19:38.13deupwe're using Rpi3s  to do the sensor collections and database building
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19:38.22deupthat much is known, lol
19:38.52deupbut I can't figure out a good reason to build a custom embedded os for something that's only to be used in house to collect QA data
19:38.59SerajewelKSis this GUI you're building going to run on the rpis?
19:39.17SerajewelKSor is it going to run on a proper desktop and connect to the rpis?
19:39.17deupI suppose, it could help... being that the eventual QA guyss, won't know how to use linux, and just need to see a fullscreen gui
19:39.58deupyea, the GUI should be full screened, no ability for the QA guys to do anything but the data collection and typing in some extra data
19:40.53deupit's gotta connect to a ton of stuff, hence why the rpi3, from touch screen HIDs, to temp sensors
19:41.04SerajewelKSthen C# is probably not the best choice, considering how little ram you get on the rpi
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19:41.39deupwe were looking at qt5 in c++, with a python script or two running in the background for anything that qt sucks at doing
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19:42.34SerajewelKShope it goes well :)  i have used C++ professionally, but not qt.
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19:42.44deupme either :)
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19:42.58SerajewelKSthere are some things i really like about C++, and there's a lot of stuff i don't like.  it's fun, but can be tedious.
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19:43.22deupyeah, this isn't a video game, and should mostly be lowerlevel data collection, so I'm not expecting too much pain
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19:48.12jhutchinsgreycat: You're thinking of containers.
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19:51.51nkuttlereh, containers are fine
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19:53.20ksft-mobilenmcli says I'm connected to a wifi network, but I can't connect to the internet
19:53.39ksft-mobilesome problem with a different network
19:53.42ksft-mobilesame*
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19:58.56deupwelp the guys in #yocto convinced me to use yocto to build, because my boss obviously has a hidden agenda for me using custom embedded linux builds in the future. but thanks SerajewelKS , I'll remember this advice anyhow, might still use it
19:59.16SerajewelKSi don't even know what advice i gave heh
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19:59.46deuphehe, conversation helps me a bunch
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20:07.58jhutchinsksft-mobile: So trace the problem.
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20:08.27jhutchinsksft-mobile: Do you have an IP address? Can you ping the router?  Can you ping 8.8.8.8?
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20:14.14MaxBordhellou
20:14.29MaxBorddo working dropbox on debian
20:14.35MaxBorddropbox app
20:14.36MaxBord?
20:15.00ksftjhutchins: `ifdown eth0` fixed it
20:15.58jhutchinsksft: Defaulting to a non-working wired connection?
20:16.08MaxBordI try distros: Linux Mint, Ubuntu everything, fedora, slackware, solus, open suse..and many other linuxes
20:16.09ksftwhat?
20:16.19MaxBorddebian is for me
20:16.23nchambersMaxBord, what are you doing?
20:16.38MaxBordi writing php code
20:16.49MaxBordsomething site
20:17.09MaxBordbut easy way
20:17.13MaxBordfor me
20:17.15ksftI use a wired connection maybe half the time. I've sorta given up on getting my computer's built-in network card to work, and I'm using an external one.
20:17.19MaxBordmy site
20:17.59MaxBordnchambers, who are you?
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20:18.11MaxBorddo we knows?
20:18.16jhutchinsMaxBord: There is a linux client for dropbox that should work in debian, it's not pre-packaged.  There is a plugin for nautilus.
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20:18.53MaxBordjhutchins, i know that, but dont see app icon in gnome panel on the top :)
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20:20.19MaxBordi restarting deb and i think that is fork, in nautilus folder become folder with green arrow
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20:21.34MaxBordbut i dont know something
20:21.51MaxBordway default notepad writer dont work
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20:24.45MaxBordwhat is devuan? is bether debian or devuan?
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20:24.52greycat!devuan
20:24.52dpkgDevuan (https://devuan.org/) is a fork of Debian, meant to avoid dependencies on <systemd>.  Not supported in #debian, please see #devuan on chat.freenode.net for support.
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20:40.15ADubhlaoichI think I may have accidentally removed all wifi packages when trying to remove connman
20:40.33greycatPlug in the regular network cable and reinstall them.
20:40.50ADubhlaoichI don't have access to ethernet
20:40.55ADubhlaoichUsing a separate laptop right now
20:41.11greycatNot sure what you want us to tell you, then.
20:41.50greycatDownloading them from another system is going to be incredibly tedious.
20:42.02ADubhlaoichWell - I guess, would downloading the packages and manually installing them via dpkg be a good plan of attack?
20:42.26greycatI guess you could run apt-get with --print-uris or something on the damaged system, save that to a text file, copy the text file to the non-damaged system, download there, then copy over...
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20:44.35Keffs. debian bts is a wall of text, is there somewhere a location where I can create account and report a bug
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20:45.36greycat!bug
20:45.36dpkgBug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber .  aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too.  Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS.  See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>.  http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS
20:45.53greycatYou don't need an account.  It's all done by email.
20:46.45jellywell you need an email account somewhere!
20:47.02Ke!
20:47.32ADubhlaoichEvidently I do still have wireless-tools but haven't got wicd nor networkmanager
20:47.42greycat(or the ability to inject spam^H^H^H^Hemail into Debian's MTA)
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20:51.19jhutchinsADubhlaoich: For several releases network-manager has been a much better tool for wifi.
20:52.19Kegggaaaah
20:52.28jhutchins!apt offline
20:52.29dpkgTo use apt on a machine that doesn't have a network connection (if you have a separate machine that does have a network connection), read http://bit.ly/1UYVX5g .  Ask me about <apt-zip>, <apt-walkabout>.
20:52.31Kereportbug even needs to run on the same system
20:52.35ADubhlaoichjhutchins: I'll grab the packages for it too
20:52.50greycatKe: why is this a problem for you?
20:53.38jellyKe: you can just compose a text mail in any mail client, and copy/paste the stuff reportbug prepares
20:53.54jellya plain* text mail
20:54.25jellyyou can also create the whole thing manually, taking care of some special pseudoheaders
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20:54.41greycatI'd recommend letting reportbug dump the text file, though.
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20:54.47jellynod
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20:55.35jhutchinsMaxBord: Actually I was wrong earlier, there is a debian package fro dropbox provided on their site.
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20:55.55Kesubject is the email subject I guess?
20:56.09Keand the rest goes to email body
20:56.24dondelelcaroKe: yes. You're better off using reportbug, though.
20:57.13PlushwolfHey everyone! :)
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21:07.46ADubhlaoichHurrah
21:07.50ADubhlaoichMy plan seems to have worked
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21:08.15Adolardoes anybody have a promo code for the oneplus 3t order? :D
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21:08.39jellyonly if you can install debian on it...
21:09.04Adolarhehe
21:09.06ADubhlaoichjhutchins: Were there any particular reasons NetworkManager is preferred over Wicd?
21:09.13Adolarthat should be no problem
21:09.34greycat1+3t sounds like first year algebra
21:09.42dondelelcaroADubhlaoich: in my experience, it supports more configurations by default; it's also the gnome default.
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21:10.36dondelelcaro(it also seems to do things like automatically switching between wifi/ethernet/bt/carrier pigeon properly, which wicd and ifupdown don't do particularly well)
21:10.56ADubhlaoichHmm
21:11.09ADubhlaoichI'll take a look at it when I'm back on my normal machine
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21:11.41dondelelcaro(if this is a machine that only is ever plugged into wireless or one network, and doesn't travel, it's probably overkill)
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21:11.50ADubhlaoichI was taking a cursory glance at connman as a suggestion from someone when I mentioned I was trying out i3-wm, didn't expect so much hassle
21:12.13dondelelcaroADubhlaoich: ah; yeah, nm-applet works just fine with i3-wm
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21:12.29dondelelcaro(or nmcli)
21:13.16somiajyea, I think any systemtray should be able to hold it, stalonetray and trayer are some de indepent systrays, there are also some de independent pannels, like tint2, tec
21:13.30dondelelcaroyeah
21:14.15dondelelcaro(i3bar is actually what does it by default for i3-wm)
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21:16.13fiveflowerzzI have two versions of a local file (4GB) : a00.rar and a01.rar,   there are only a few bytes of difference
21:16.23fiveflowerzzOn my distant server I have only a00.rar
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21:16.40fiveflowerzzhow to take the diff between a00.rar and a01.rar locally and replicate it on the distant server?
21:16.48fiveflowerzz(this will save reuploading of 4GB...)
21:16.52dondelelcarofiveflowerzz: rsync -y
21:17.23fiveflowerzzdoes this make a "patch" ?
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21:17.49dondelelcarofiveflowerzz: or cp a00.rar a01.rar; and use rsync just itself. It'll use rsync's algorithm to effectively make such a patch
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21:18.32fiveflowerzzbut for the first comparison
21:18.38fiveflowerzzrsync has to have both files
21:18.47dondelelcarofiveflowerzz: no
21:18.50fiveflowerzzso 4GB needs to be sent one way or the other
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21:19.27dondelelcarofiveflowerzz: nope; rsync runs on the remote too, and calculates the checksum there.
21:19.33somiajrsync compares the local file to the remote file
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21:20.02fiveflowerzzsomiaj: if md5sum is different, it has to download both
21:20.21dondelelcarofiveflowerzz: no, because rsync will compare the checksums of parts of the files.
21:20.23fiveflowerzzif this is first run of rsync ever
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21:20.33fiveflowerzzoh ok
21:20.50dondelelcaro(assuming you're using --partial or --fuzzy or similar)
21:21.01fiveflowerzzwhat would be the full command line command then?
21:21.07fiveflowerzz(using ssh maybe?)
21:21.40dondelelcarofiveflowerzz: rsync -avyP a01.rar remote:path/to/dir/with/a00.rar/.;
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21:21.47dondelelcaroman rsync; for details.
21:22.06fiveflowerzzwill this send to remote?
21:22.31ompaulone possible is  rsync -ave ssh /local/path/unique-bit-of-filename* wherever@farawaymachine:/something/to/put/.
21:22.41Kedondelelcaro: spend countless hours on the problem and configure smtp just for debian bug reports
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21:22.53implijerhey
21:22.56ompauland what dondelelcaro said
21:22.58dondelelcaroKe: you shouldn't have to do that; reportbug can send mail directly to the BTS.
21:23.12greycatA normal person has working email *anyway*, but if for any reason you don't want to do that, you can configure reportbug to ... that.
21:23.20implijerI can't seem to be able to play .webm on firefox. What package handle that ?
21:23.26dondelelcaroKe: assuming your ISP doesn't block every port that was ever associated with SMTP.
21:23.30fiveflowerzzompaul what is -ave ? will it work with sftp as well?
21:23.38implijer(it says everytime "video is corrupted" on every video)
21:23.43Kedondelelcaro: isn't 25 always blocked?
21:23.45dondelelcarofiveflowerzz: you really should read the manpage; it'll answer all of these questions.
21:23.48ompaulfiveflowerzz: I gave you rsync - not sftp
21:23.59dondelelcaroKe: no
21:24.03ompaulfiveflowerzz: sftp I'd use scp -
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21:24.17fiveflowerzzompaul: i mean transfer over ssh
21:24.19somiajKe: really depends on the ISP.
21:24.22greycatscp is generally terrible.
21:24.32somiajKe: some don't block it, some block it and require you use their SMTP server as a relay
21:24.32dondelelcaroKe: but reportbug doesn't use smtp, it uses submission IIRC.
21:24.33ompaulfiveflowerzz: that is what the ssh command does there
21:25.03ompaulgreycat: much easier to script and I use it for simple one file fire and we'll get one tomorrow cases
21:25.15dondelelcaro(in other words, 587, not 25)
21:25.26ompaulgreycat: scp is the udp of file transfers
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21:25.40greycat*If* your scp use case is simple enough, then yes, you can put it in a script without anything breaking, but it goes out of its way to break in most cases.
21:26.26greycatThe important thing to remember about scp is that it's just a thin wrapper over ssh, which is just a thin wrapper over sh, so it passes your remote filenames through ssh which passes it to a shell which PARSES it.  This breaks if the remote destination has spaces in it, etc.
21:26.43ompaulgreycat: I found that if I wanted to use scp (before I knew rsync) I used to tar md5sum scp md5sum tar
21:27.00greycatYou can just use tar | ssh tar directly.
21:27.02ompaulwe used to think that md5sum was the best thing ever back then
21:27.20dondelelcaroyeah, scp is terrible
21:27.36dondelelcaropretty much any time you want to use it, you should actually be using rsync
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21:27.59somiajdoesn't only also work between other openssh servers but would break if you had to connect to some other ssh server.
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21:28.18jellysftp is much nicer
21:28.36ompauljelly: I hate programming in expect
21:28.51jellyget a decent client
21:29.23jellyeven sshfs is a decent enough client for some purposes
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21:29.59jellyin case rsync is unavailable on one or both ends
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21:30.30dondelelcarojelly: heh. If it's unavailable at the other end, I usually use scp to make it available. ;-)
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21:30.50jellyah, I usually use yum or apt
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21:35.11fiveflowerzzompaul: it seems that rsync -avz -e ssh remoteuser@remotehost:/remote/dir /this/dir/
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21:35.25fiveflowerzzcopies *from* remote *to* local
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21:35.40fiveflowerzzHow to do the converse?  ie send from local *to* remote ?
21:35.48fiveflowerzzI searched in man, but didn't really find
21:35.56ompaulfiveflowerzz: read what I said ...
21:36.03fiveflowerzzI tried, but I get:
21:36.08ompaulyou put them in the other order
21:36.12jellyfiveflowerzz: be very very careful about tail / and rsync.  remoteuser@remotehost:/remote/dir is NOT the same as remoteuser@remotehost:/remote/dir/
21:36.30fiveflowerzzompaul: I tried your order, but I get: The source and destination cannot both be remote.
21:36.50jellyformer refers to the directory itself.  Latter, only the contents
21:36.59ompaul<ompaul> one possible is  rsync -ave ssh /local/path/unique-bit-of-filename* wherever@farawaymachine:/something/to/put/.
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21:37.16fiveflowerzzjelly: i use 1 file only, no dir
21:37.17ompaulnote I never say remotehost except now
21:37.22greycatpretty sure you don't want "ssh" there, ompaul
21:37.32greycatOh... never mind.
21:37.43ompaulgreycat: ;-)
21:37.45fiveflowerzzompaul: i tried exactly that, but i get this error message
21:37.53ompaulfiveflowerzz: where is the file you want
21:37.54greycatYou're assuming a non-Debian client where -e ssh  isn't the default.
21:38.03jellyhow old has rsync have to be not to default to -essh anyway?  squeeze did it.
21:38.08fiveflowerzzompaul the file I want to send is local
21:38.16fiveflowerzzI want to go to distant server
21:38.24fiveflowerzz*I want it to go
21:38.27ompauljelly: do you know I am older than the mountains
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21:38.59ompaulfiveflowerzz: think of rsync as Put THIS-HERE There
21:39.06ompaulAlways
21:39.28jellyjust like scp, only sane
21:39.42jellywell, saner
21:39.48fiveflowerzzI get this: The source and destination cannot both be remote.
21:39.48ompaulfiveflowerzz: rsync -ave ssh thisgoesto username@faraway:    puts it in the root of the usernames home
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21:40.10jellyfiveflowerzz: show the actual command that tells that message.
21:40.17ompaulfiveflowerzz:  READ IT AGAIN please -- note this ... you don't have a local username
21:40.29ompauland you do have a one for faraway
21:40.44ompaulEXCLUSIVLY OR
21:40.55ompaulyou have a username at a faraway machine which copies a file to here
21:41.01fiveflowerzzrsync -ave ssh D:\test.rar root@xx.xxx.xx.xx:/home/www/test.rar
21:41.06ompaulSource   Destination
21:41.06greycatSee, this is why I have him on /ignore.
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21:41.11ompauld?
21:41.21ompaulpscp good bye
21:41.22jellyfiveflowerzz: quote that D:\test.rar
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21:41.32fiveflowerzzjelly: Already tried
21:42.06jellyor use unc(?) syntax //D$/test.rar -- I'm guessing wildly here
21:42.27ompaulfiveflowerzz: use pscp and then pscp path\stupidfilestystem.rar  user@really.good.operating.system:
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21:42.37fiveflowerzzompaul :)
21:42.41dondelelcaroor chdir to whatever directory that is, and then use rsync
21:42.50jellythe colon is part of rsync syntax and gets it confused
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21:43.00ompaulwindows users grrrr
21:43.16jellypeople in ##windows may know how to work around it the Right Way
21:43.17fiveflowerzzRemote server is Debian, I'll reboot local machine to linux, it'll be easier
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21:43.53ompauljelly: I gave the pscp command to use on windows - rsync on windows is painful I've done three scripts for it and never again I just zip and pscsp if they need to do that
21:43.53fiveflowerzzThanks everyone!
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21:44.04lukkan991http://imgur.com/a/fzlpR any help?
21:44.16ompaullukkan991: give us a clue
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21:44.36lukkan991trying to get alsa to work
21:44.52fiveflowerzzrebooting to debian... see you
21:45.06ompaullukkan991: what desktop is that?
21:45.19lukkan991mate
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21:45.28ompaulon?
21:45.42lukkan991debain
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21:45.48lukkan991debian*
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21:46.23jellylukkan991: what does "aplay -l" say?
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21:46.54lukkan991**** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
21:46.56lukkan991aplay: device_list:273: snd_ctl_pcm_next_devi
21:47.05jellylukkan991: also, before showing any further output, please do "export LC_ALL=C" in that terminal, that will switch messages to English
21:47.07jelly!paste
21:47.08dpkgDo not paste more than 2 lines to this channel.  Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics.  Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB.  Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!  Cannot cut and paste?  Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
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21:50.16lukkan991let you know i am on debian 8
21:50.19lukkan9917*
21:50.31lukkan991i too tired to fix this
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21:51.26chvzo/
21:51.52lukkan991also i get cannot open mixer: No such file or directory when trying to open alsamix as normal and root
21:52.27lukkan991alsamixer*
21:52.54lukkan991any clue to fix it?
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21:54.54ompaullukkan991: alsamixer is run as a user
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21:55.17ompaulbut if yo udon't have a card listed in aplay then you have other issues
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21:55.28fiveflowerzzI rebooted to Linux, did the exact same command... 20 seconds later it was successfull and finished :)
21:55.32fiveflowerzzproblem solved!
21:55.35fiveflowerzzthanks guys!
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21:57.02lukkan991how do i fix my problem?
21:57.15greycat!alsa checklist
21:57.15dpkg1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again)  2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available)  3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped?  4) speakers on?  5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root?  6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist.  See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
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22:09.27elwisphave a box with a few disks in it, all of em was plugged in on the motherboard, one disk gets recognized as a floppy. unloaded the floppy module, the disks it recognizes as disks tho are showing wrong sizeo or no label etc. its 4 tb disks showing up as 8 gb disks. I have no clue, i have tried reinstalling, and i have tried a different controller since this box has two
22:10.24ompaulfdisk -l into a pastebin please the debian one please
22:12.02elwispgimmea sec
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22:13.19elwisphttps://zerobin.net/?7776d309c9837994#Y5RgD0RKRT4qjZmKFVrPKezYQeHC8aHpfh6Vk4fNwDE=
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22:15.08ompaulthat has got to be a new debian server I guess
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22:15.26elwispyeah
22:15.44ompaulhttps://paste.debian.net/
22:15.47ompaulmaybe that
22:16.22elwisphttps://paste.debian.net/900246/
22:16.45elwispzerobin encrypts pastes, not that it matters in this case
22:16.57ompauland ... debian does https:
22:18.05ompauland now please df -h
22:18.22elwispdf -h only shows root which is sdd1
22:18.33elwispsince thats the only disk that has been setup durin installation
22:18.59elwispim thinking this might be a driver issue, but i have the right driver for the controller. And i cannot for the life of me figure out why it is behaving like this
22:19.07ompaulcan you please do it and I'll take the conversation where I want after that
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22:19.19elwisphttps://paste.debian.net/900248/ <- lsmod and lspci -vv
22:19.29ompaulelwisp: I have ideas about how to solve the issue but I want to discover what I consider the layout of the box to be
22:19.33elwisphttps://paste.debian.net/900249/
22:19.45elwispthats df -h
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22:21.20ompaulso sde and sdf are usb sticks?
22:21.48elwispNope, they are 4tb disks
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22:23.59ompaulhave you tried this in gparted?
22:24.18elwisponly parted
22:24.21elwispsince its a headless server
22:25.06ompaulthey need GPT to be used in their formatting
22:25.21ompaulfdisk doesn't see over 2TB
22:25.33elwispdid you see what parted -l returned?
22:26.41elwisphmm perhaps gpt needs some modules?
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22:27.45ompaulno
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22:28.45PrutheusHello! I wanna visualize the audio I am playing. Do you know any good audio visualizers in 3d, with good, fancy animatoins for linux? I want to bring life into the music i hear.
22:29.40ompaulelwisp: can you do fdisk -l fpr a moment - or did you do that already?
22:29.56elwispyeah i sent that in the first pastebin
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22:31.47lukkan99got sound-test and mixer to work now but stil no sound
22:32.24lukkan99i know that soundcard works as it did under xp
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22:33.02elwispcould this be because it should have been installed witn non-free firmware?
22:33.47lukkan99i have installed all the firware thay sayed on thikwiki
22:34.10elwisplukkan99: sorry was talking to ompaul
22:34.16lukkan99oh
22:34.20lukkan99my bad
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22:34.23Hijirisomiaj: thanks for the info about krita
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22:35.25elwispompaul: made a gpt layout on sdf and tried to make filesystem and dmesg just spews errors
22:35.27ompaulelwisp: that shouldn't be a problem. I've just looked at that -  eh install lshw and give me a paste about thise disks
22:35.38ompaulelwisp: it's bust?
22:35.46elwispnew drives
22:36.12ompaulelwisp: last chance hotel not ssd before I tell you ?
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22:36.25ompaulI doubht it but I have to ask :-)
22:36.46elwispompaul: the root disk is ssd but the rest is HDD
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22:38.06ompaulcat /dev/zero > /dev/sdf for afew seconds CTRL C then when it eventually stops (it will have a lot in the buffer) then install lshw and check what it says about the disk - then run  -->   partprobe    <-- then try fdisk again
22:38.15ompauljust for sdf
22:38.27elwispompaul: https://paste.debian.net/900253/ lwhw -class disk
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22:38.44lukkan99only my modem shows up for audio with aplay -l
22:38.46lukkan99wird
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22:39.15elwispneed to reboot it first, the mkfs just hung
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22:40.59ompaulelwisp:  it has no serial number - it is not being read right
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22:41.13ompaulshotgun practice :-)
22:41.42elwispyup, thats what i figured as well, whats wierd is that i have tried 2 different raid controllers
22:41.52elwispcould be power, but i think it would not find it at all then
22:41.58ompaulwho made it
22:42.15elwispfriend of mine
22:42.21ompauleh ...
22:42.22ompaulthe disk
22:42.26ompaulmanafacturer
22:42.29elwispi think its WD
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22:44.39ompaulyeah - I'd expect a much more output from lshw tbh so I can't take that anywhere
22:45.13elwispmust be some module missing
22:46.04elwispit came back up
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22:48.46lukkan99is anyone one hare know how to set up audio on a thinkpad t42
22:49.24ompaullukkan99: apt-cache search thinkpad will help somewhat
22:49.47ompauland non free sources
22:49.49ompauliirc
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22:49.53ompaulbeen a while
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22:51.03elwispi think im just going to have to sleep on this and maybe reinstall it with nonfree image
22:51.09elwispsomething must be off
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22:55.18lukkan99what packet is alsaconf in?
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22:56.08kotdadabonghow can i eliminate every account thats not root, and use a gui desktop like lightdm/lxde
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22:56.16kotdadabong?
22:56.19sh00plukkan99 i dont remember, maybe alsa-util or something like that, there's a way to find out, i suggest you google it
22:56.48sh00pthis is not a good idea kotdadabong, but if you insist, it's easy to remove accounts in the /etc/passwd file
22:57.28sh00pmind you, there are users that are necessary for the operation of the os, so dont go deleting everything in the passwd file
22:57.34somiajkotdadabong: be careful there are lots of system accounts you don't want to elimate. And you don't want to run x as root.
22:57.56kotdadabongok thanks sh00p. i understand the risk, however i need a gui application to autostart and utilize gpio which requires root
22:57.58lukkan99i have it install but dont have the command installed
22:58.01lukkan99wtf
22:58.37somiajkotdadabong: is this a gui app that requires gpio?
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22:59.47sh00plukkan99 alsaconf is an application?
22:59.51sh00pi dont ever remember using it like that
23:00.14kotdadabongsomiaj yes. and it has to be booted into and use gpio right off the bat
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23:01.28somiajkotdadabong: you can setup sudo to not require a password for your user and then use sudo to launch the app
23:01.38somiajor gksu so you perseve more of the xorg enviorment if sudo doesn't work
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23:03.11kotdadabongset up sudo to not require password you say? as in i can put that into a .sh and it executes as root?
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23:05.57convergejust installed mariadb, and it didnt ask for root password, is it normal ?
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23:07.03frdrwngood morning
23:07.29ecadregood evening
23:07.43convergegood night
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23:09.17ecadrequick question: I upgraded and cannot use dmesg any more as an unprivileged user. There was a message about restoring the old behaviour, but I didn't make a note of it at the time.
23:10.22somiajkotdadabong: run visudo and set yoru main user to NOPASS (check google for exact syntax) once you do this you can run sudo command, and it will run that command as root without asking for a password
23:10.23ecadrecan't kind anything about it online.
23:10.44somiajkotdadabong: note usually it is not advised to run things as root and I try to find solutions that don't require root, but if you just want to run it as root, that is a awy
23:10.47`Kevinecadre:  not familiar with that but...  cat  /proc/sys/kernel/dmesg_restrict
23:10.48ecadre^^ find
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23:11.06kotdadabongsomiaj im already on reboot lol ^.^ hopefully i see motion
23:11.47`Kevinecadre: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sysctl/kernel.txt dmesg_restrict:
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23:12.52ecadre`Kevin: cat comes back with a   1
23:13.01`Kevinyep
23:13.08`Kevinecho 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/dmesg_restrict
23:13.21ecadreah, it's a toggle I suppose
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23:14.36ecadre`Kevin: thankyou very much, I was finding the new behaviour rather annoying.
23:14.40`Kevinecadre: going afk .. but that should sort it out for you, remember to update sysctl.conf or sysctl.d to set it on boot
23:14.43`Kevinyep
23:14.59ecadreok
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23:16.24kotdadabongsomiaj no cigar. still being prompted
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23:18.24Hello71kotdadabong: what did you do
23:18.48Hello71kotdadabong: you can change the permissions of a device node.
23:18.55Hello71you can also use POSIX ACLs
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23:20.27kotdadabongscratch that, a guy was messing with this system before me and i (shoulda known better but i) assumed he did his acct correct but he has his listing in the wrong spot. all is well now though thanks guys
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23:36.59kregolahh it's a wonderful day
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23:37.45ecadrelooks outside
23:37.54PlushwolfIt's Night here :(
23:37.59ecadredark, foggy and cold
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23:41.02SuperTramp83lol
23:41.27SuperTramp83kregol is **everywhere** hehe
23:41.32ecadreI'm English ... if it's not doark, foggy and cold we start to go a bit peculiar.
23:41.36ecadre^ dark
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23:59.02lukkan99seems that oss dont whant to start for i dont have a kernal modul and i cant find it for my ibm thinkpad t42
23:59.13lukkan99and hint whare i suld look?
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