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| 05:32.28 | somiaj | I don't find any package in debian by that name. |
| 05:34.10 | BlackMage | sry, the package names gir1.2-ibus-1.0:i386 |
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| 05:35.07 | somiaj | from my searches there is no package in debian by that name. |
| 05:35.32 | missmbob | oh you typed it. that might mean the translation is improper, too. paste it the way it is |
| 05:35.33 | somiaj | ahh, there it is |
| 05:36.47 | somiaj | you can also see if dpkg -l | grep ^gir1.2-ibus-1.0 has multiple installs. Though if that is not a libary it may not be multiarch enabled |
| 05:37.08 | missmbob | i've honestly never seen that error before. that's why i'm guessing translation |
| 05:37.34 | somiaj | yea it has Multi-Arch: same, so that could be it. But I agree, the actual output would be nice. |
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| 05:42.17 | zurok | What does ^ in bash? |
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| 05:43.11 | somiaj | zurok: more context? maybe give the whole command? |
| 05:43.15 | BlackMage | http://pastebin.com/raw/kswtCUiu -> here the output from dpkg |
| 05:43.40 | somiaj | BlackMage: output I requested as well. |
| 05:44.15 | missmbob | zurok: it servers as quick substitution. for example: replace foo with foolio ^foo^foolio^ |
| 05:44.19 | missmbob | serves* |
| 05:44.42 | zurok | Ah |
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| 05:45.18 | missmbob | holy hell that's an old bug |
| 05:45.22 | missmbob | #770265 |
| 05:45.32 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/770265 in dh-python (open): «gir1.2-ibus-1.0: fails to install in multiarch setting: dpkg-query --listfiles called with ambiguous package name»; severity: important; opened: 2014-11-20; last modified: 2016-09-18. |
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| 05:49.49 | zurok | missmbob, somiaj: Thanks |
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| 05:50.51 | BlackMage | wow, 2 years old ... Yes, bugs are fixed in Debian yes fast |
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| 05:51.22 | BlackMage | :P |
| 05:51.23 | missmbob | BlackMage: take out the multiarch element? by that i mean chroot |
| 05:52.19 | BlackMage | missmbob: ? |
| 05:52.40 | missmbob | create a chroot for the specified arch. so you wont have to deal with multiarch bugs |
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| 05:54.12 | BlackMage | missmbob: how so? Are multiarch bugs never fixed? |
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| 05:56.47 | missmbob | BlackMage: https://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
| 05:57.04 | missmbob | BlackMage: it's a pain in the ass. |
| 05:58.09 | BlackMage | missmbob: What do you mean by that? |
| 05:59.11 | missmbob | it's probably not what you want to do, anyway, so nevermind |
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| 06:06.07 | BlackMage | missmbob: And why has the bug never been fixed over the years? |
| 06:06.58 | missmbob | BlackMage: karma? have you done something bad? :P i dont know, man. shit happens |
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| 06:17.14 | random_numbers | Where should I go to report a bug? |
| 06:17.43 | missmbob | !reportbug |
| 06:17.43 | dpkg | reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting, or <reportbug MTA> |
| 06:18.02 | random_numbers | missmbob: Thanks. |
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| 06:49.39 | buu | hm |
| 06:50.06 | buu | If I have a debian box that's named foo.bar.com, should /etc/hostname contain `foo` or `foo.bar.com` ? |
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| 06:53.59 | preaction | buu: i'd use "foo", the debian guide seems to agree: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch03.en.html#_the_hostname |
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| 06:54.29 | buu | huh |
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| 06:54.44 | buu | Where should I put the qualified hostname? |
| 06:55.04 | preaction | the local dns server? |
| 06:55.17 | buu | gasp |
| 06:55.26 | preaction | like, the local domain/network's dns server, not like you should have a dns server on every host |
| 06:55.42 | preaction | though i believe /etc/resolv.conf has a place for it |
| 06:56.42 | buu | hrm |
| 06:56.57 | buu | I'm now slightly more confused than I was |
| 06:58.33 | buu | Adding it to /etc/hosts as 127.0.1.1 seems to do what I want |
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| 06:59.09 | preaction | oh, you want it to resolve as a FQDN? yeah, that |
| 06:59.17 | buu | wel |
| 06:59.28 | preaction | i mean, since setting up a dns server is really more trouble than it's worth |
| 06:59.37 | buu | In this specific case I want saltstack to figure out the fqdn instead of the local name |
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| 07:00.02 | preaction | ohh, that probably uses... or could use... reverse dns ;) |
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| 07:00.06 | buu | preaction: I just set up the public dns server to resolve some hosts to 192.168.xx addresses |
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| 07:00.30 | buu | like uh |
| 07:00.33 | buu | routerlogin.com or whatever it is |
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| 07:01.49 | preaction | nah, like 1.1.0.127.in-addr.arpa (dig -x 127.0.0.1). every ip.. well, a lot of ips have reverse lookups. which is also why my irc hostmask looks like "irc.preaction.me" |
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| 07:02.19 | preaction | but /etc/hosts is probably the most economical solution, so go with that |
| 07:02.38 | preaction | dns is annoying. moreso even than smtp. at least smtp can be secured... ish... |
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| 07:04.41 | buu | Yeah I know |
| 07:04.51 | buu | I rdns stuff I can |
| 07:04.56 | buu | Stupid home isp |
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| 07:20.01 | awal1 | Absolutely 0 manual here for you guys too? https://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi |
| 07:20.24 | missmbob | awal1: no. it's working here. |
| 07:20.52 | missmbob | awal1: i've tested a few and they all work |
| 07:21.21 | awal1 | missmbob: opps, now it works. it may have been a temporal "something" issue. |
| 07:21.23 | awal1 | thanks |
| 07:21.54 | awal1 | was looking for zypper manual |
| 07:22.24 | awal1 | I wonder if it's comparable to apt/apt-get/aptitude, under debian |
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| 07:35.00 | awal1 | yast is a powerful system & pkg manager tool for Suse. Sadly, there is not an equivalent under debian. |
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| 08:34.14 | styler2go | Hey everyone. My debian does not recognize when i plug in an sdcard. Any idea why? |
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| 08:39.44 | rdz | styler2go, what i usually do in these cases is to watch the log while plugging the card in with "sudo tail -f /var/log/syslog" |
| 08:40.12 | rdz | it should give you some hint where it fails to detect the card or whether it even doesn't detect at all that a card was inserted |
| 08:40.13 | styler2go | rdz: It doesn't show any events, i already tried checking dmesg |
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| 08:41.32 | rdz | styler2go, is it specifically this card that isn't detected or any card inserted into that slot? |
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| 08:42.17 | styler2go | any card.. it's an onboard card reader |
| 08:42.27 | rdz | styler2go, in other words: is there some indication that the card reader works at all? |
| 08:42.38 | rdz | ah |
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| 08:46.53 | rdz | styler2go, don't know how to investigate properly, but maybe lsusb or lspci gives you some hint.... |
| 08:47.11 | rdz | if it doesn't show there, it probably wasn't recognized... |
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| 08:47.38 | styler2go | But what could be the problem why it isn't recognized? Missing kernel module? |
| 08:47.42 | rdz | if it does show up there, it might help you troubleshoot by googling specifically for this model |
| 08:48.00 | rdz | styler2go, yes, maybe... |
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| 08:48.28 | rdz | for instance, lscpi shows me: "02:00.0 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd PCIe SDXC/MMC Host Controller (rev 07)" |
| 08:49.41 | styler2go | i have an sd host controller (SDIO) but i think this is the wifi chip |
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| 08:51.15 | Daneel | hi |
| 08:51.26 | Daneel | i am trying cgroups |
| 08:51.33 | Daneel | i defined a cgroup |
| 08:51.42 | Daneel | but it does not look to be used |
| 08:51.51 | Daneel | i run the command via cgexec |
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| 08:52.52 | Daneel | when i do a sync then echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches |
| 08:52.56 | Daneel | it works |
| 08:53.16 | Daneel | what is necessary to enable a cgroup ? |
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| 08:54.01 | Daneel | i am using debian jessie |
| 08:54.11 | netfunk | hi, kind of silly question but i was hoping to find some guidance in setting up a usb-drive with different os's installed on it (specifically various debian based distros and a win7)? |
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| 08:55.43 | netfunk | (silly part incoming) I would place an opsys on a particular partition, and it's corresponding swap-space on a seperate partition, no? |
| 08:56.07 | netfunk | & assign the proper flags to each partition? |
| 08:56.41 | Kiril | are you aware is it available a rbldnsd how-to (install and configure) using local dns server (bind, powerdns) or the current one from provider? |
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| 08:57.34 | bezaban | netfunk: for casual and non-critical use you could do without swap if the machines you use have an ok amount of ram |
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| 08:58.13 | bezaban | netfunk: this might be for on the go, but if it is for home you could also consider network (pxe) booting different operating systems |
| 08:58.26 | netfunk | bezaban, hmm... |
| 08:58.40 | netfunk | bezaban, yes, ram is no issue (16) |
| 08:59.21 | netfunk | bezaban, also yes this would be for field usage |
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| 09:00.23 | netfunk | so, since portability is ideal, can i pxeboot from wan? |
| 09:00.27 | bezaban | netfunk: no |
| 09:00.35 | netfunk | or wan->vpn->pxe |
| 09:00.38 | bezaban | nopåe |
| 09:00.44 | netfunk | okay so pxe is local-only? |
| 09:00.50 | bezaban | indeed |
| 09:00.55 | netfunk | makes sense |
| 09:00.56 | bezaban | it is old tech :) |
| 09:01.12 | bezaban | non wireless too, but I think there has been added something for that lately |
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| 09:01.58 | bezaban | netfunk: installing several OS side by side should be trivial, but the grub setup is where you might encounter some problems |
| 09:02.08 | netfunk | is there a maximum number of partitions allowed? |
| 09:02.23 | netfunk | yeah i read that last night |
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| 09:03.05 | netfunk | if they're all the same file system, i mean... i wouldn't understand why then |
| 09:03.43 | bezaban | you need separate filesystems |
| 09:04.00 | netfunk | okay wait |
| 09:04.07 | bezaban | a filesystem exists within a partition |
| 09:04.11 | netfunk | there's where i get fuzzy, is heirarchy |
| 09:04.21 | netfunk | *that is |
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| 09:05.07 | bezaban | you have max 4 primary partitions. likely a max limit for extended partitions, but higher than what you need |
| 09:05.28 | bezaban | I am not up to date on newer partition schemes and wrt to booting from extended ones |
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| 09:05.45 | bezaban | been a while since I've messed with this kind of setup |
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| 09:07.03 | netfunk | i see.. and the operating system is installed to a partition or a volume? |
| 09:07.11 | bezaban | one of several partitions |
| 09:07.29 | netfunk | and inside the partition is the volume? |
| 09:07.39 | bezaban | but that is typically interchangable with volume |
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| 09:08.05 | bezaban | well it differs from a partition |
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| 09:08.49 | bezaban | you don't really need to worry about volumes. They are an os concept while partitions are a medium concept |
| 09:09.13 | netfunk | okay good lol |
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| 09:11.16 | netfunk | can i #dd the .iso to the partition? |
| 09:11.27 | netfunk | or does #dd write the whole disk? |
| 09:11.40 | bezaban | depends on where you point it |
| 09:11.45 | bezaban | you can also use cp |
| 09:11.57 | bezaban | sizes have to match though |
| 09:12.21 | netfunk | match what? |
| 09:12.42 | bezaban | partition has to be >= iso file |
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| 09:14.17 | bezaban | this is not something I really do anymore (after the advent of desktop virtualization), so I'll not be able to help shortly :P |
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| 09:15.06 | bezaban | well. virtualization in general lets me have an install of whatever I want somewhere, be it desktop or dedicated hosts |
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| 09:15.51 | HJfFun | where i can find some inforation about "freeze" concerning distribution cycle-life ? --> cf : https://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch |
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| 09:16.04 | HJfFun | information* |
| 09:16.13 | bezaban | there is some judd factiod. I'll see if I can find it |
| 09:16.40 | netfunk | i see |
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| 09:17.17 | netfunk | me neither, as im sure you can tell. studying for ccnp exam |
| 09:17.29 | bezaban | HJfFun: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
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| 09:18.16 | HJfFun | bezaban, ty |
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| 09:26.56 | dcpc007 | hi, i setup user home on a share, but is it possible to keep a separate trace of history (.bash_history) by server ? |
| 09:27.23 | dcpc007 | goal : can look what i've done one "this" server |
| 09:27.54 | dcpc007 | currently i have a common history with no identity for all term i use |
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| 09:29.51 | dcpc007 | i see a trick like export HISTFILE="${HOME}/.bash_history.`hostname`", that create one file by server, but after, i don't see option like -f <file> on history command |
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| 09:31.01 | Daneel | on debian jessie i crated a cgroup, i run a command via cgexec but the cgroup does not looks to be used |
| 09:31.12 | Daneel | any suggest ? |
| 09:31.22 | Daneel | s/crated/created/ |
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| 09:33.53 | Daneel | i created the cgroup with cgcreate |
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| 09:34.09 | Daneel | but i am reading that exist interface with cgroup via systemd |
| 09:34.16 | Daneel | what is the good method ? |
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| 09:37.55 | dcpc007 | is tehre a method to add like a tag in history file and get history lines like : <date> <host> <command> |
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| 09:53.13 | petemc | dcpc007: yes, you can add timestamps to bash history, not sure about hostname, are you planning to merge shell history form multiple machines? |
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| 09:55.04 | dcpc007 | petemc: timestamp already ok by default on each server. i switch from local users to ldap users with home on a share, but i don't want to have all command from all servers in a same file without any possibilty to search by server |
| 09:55.21 | dcpc007 | and for admin we connect to many servers |
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| 09:56.00 | dcpc007 | and i need to monitor sometimes users history (like some dev that make abusive chmod -R on folders ...) |
| 09:56.38 | petemc | connecting to a server usually means running a shell on the machine which will have its own history |
| 09:56.40 | dcpc007 | and some common exploitation accounts |
| 09:57.02 | dcpc007 | yes but by default it's ~/.bash-history, and home is in a share |
| 09:57.29 | petemc | ok |
| 09:57.43 | petemc | im not help with that, obviously |
| 09:57.53 | petemc | s/not/no/ |
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| 09:58.07 | dcpc007 | create a bash_hist file per server is easy, but read them seems not |
| 09:58.38 | dcpc007 | in man history i don't see a flag to read a specific file to search |
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| 09:58.50 | dcpc007 | like a sar -f /var/log/sa/sa10 |
| 09:59.38 | petemc | HISTFILE |
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| 10:01.56 | penrod | greetings , I have to rename a few thousand files. they all have a tilde (~) at the end of the file name . ie. blahblah.doc~ I have the regex part figured out, I thought I could just do a "find . -iname \*.\*~ | rename.... and that would work, but it doesn't any ideas ? |
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| 10:03.27 | Brigo | penrod, try -exec {} (see find man page) |
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| 10:03.30 | dcpc007 | petemc: yes but as i do the export HISTFILE=... i write in this file, even if it's not "my" file |
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| 10:03.58 | dcpc007 | then i must export histfile, search, and export again quick HISTFILE to current |
| 10:04.03 | dcpc007 | heavy |
| 10:04.37 | Brigo | penrod, or even better use just rename, why do you need the find command? |
| 10:04.48 | Brigo | aren't they in the same directory? |
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| 10:05.29 | penrod | there are multiple directories,with up to to 10 layers |
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| 10:05.54 | penrod | I don't know how to make rename recursive |
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| 10:06.51 | dcpc007 | penrod: maybe a find -exec rename |
| 10:07.05 | dcpc007 | for each file ... but at least should work |
| 10:07.19 | penrod | not familiar with -exec, but looking for the man page now |
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| 10:08.05 | dcpc007 | example : find . -name '*.cfg' -exec cp {} /backup/ \; |
| 10:08.22 | dcpc007 | the {} is replaced by each result of the find command |
| 10:08.33 | dcpc007 | and remember to finish with \; |
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| 10:08.49 | penrod | and then pipe that into rename......... |
| 10:08.52 | petemc | i prefer {} + |
| 10:09.20 | dcpc007 | no -exec rename '<in>' '<out>' {} \; |
| 10:09.46 | dcpc007 | (check order of rename parameter, maybe the file is before the paterns |
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| 10:12.25 | dcpc007 | ha yes, \+ at the end is for execute by chunk and not for each result if i remember |
| 10:13.04 | dcpc007 | ha or maybe look on xargs for your first command |
| 10:13.33 | penrod | I have used "rename 's/~$//' *.*" and that works for the current directory. I am struggling with doing the recursive part |
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| 10:14.04 | dcpc007 | don't remember, long time i didn't use it, maybe a find xxxxxxx - print 0 |xargs rename 'in' 'out' ? |
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| 10:17.34 | dcpc007 | http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/227662/how-to-rename-multiple-files-using-find maybe ? |
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| 10:27.00 | penrod | dcpc007: thanks looking into it |
| 10:27.35 | dcpc007 | np |
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| 10:29.30 | urzds | Hi! |
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| 10:30.09 | urzds | How do I make reportbug send an already saved bugreport? I ran reportbug before, but had to exit it, because authentication with the smtp server did not work. Now I want to send the saved file without entering any information again. |
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| 10:34.29 | julius_ | hi |
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| 10:35.36 | julius_ | i can do: ping -c 1 62.226.147.xx but when i do: ssh -p 226 62.226.147.xx it says: ssh: connect to host 62.226.147.xx port 226: No route to host |
| 10:35.58 | julius_ | why can ping reach the host, but ssh gets a no route error= |
| 10:35.59 | julius_ | ? |
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| 10:39.16 | bezaban | julius_: port 226 is not open on any host in 62.226.147.0/24 |
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| 10:43.23 | netfunk | ssh is a different protocol |
| 10:43.36 | netfunk | packet filters drop |
| 10:44.13 | netfunk | *drop requests originating from packets containing these corresponding headers |
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| 10:44.25 | netfunk | julius_, ^^^ |
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| 10:44.40 | moondeck | hi |
| 10:44.48 | netfunk | hi moondeck |
| 10:44.57 | moondeck | so, i am a long time debian user |
| 10:45.04 | moondeck | well, 3 years now |
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| 10:45.08 | moondeck | "long" |
| 10:45.12 | moondeck | i love it |
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| 10:45.32 | netfunk | julius_, why is ur ssh looking to port 226? |
| 10:45.37 | moondeck | i am developing an OS myself, just for fun, and i wanna test it on real hardware, so for that i need PXE |
| 10:45.40 | netfunk | moondeck, welcome! im new here too |
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| 10:46.15 | moondeck | could anyone point me to some resources about setting up a DHCP server and network bridge on Debian |
| 10:46.16 | moondeck | ? |
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| 10:46.47 | netfunk | moondeck, cool! im ccna/ceh myself, def agree debian is solid |
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| 10:46.56 | petn-randall | moondeck: https://debian-handbook.info/ |
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| 10:47.24 | petn-randall | moondeck: ^^^ this is free as in free software, and covers most administration tasks on Debian. I'm guessing both your tasks are covered in there, too. |
| 10:47.32 | netfunk | moondeck, vyos |
| 10:47.51 | netfunk | moondeck, https://vyos.io |
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| 10:48.15 | moondeck | netfunk: but i wanna use it on my main working machine |
| 10:48.22 | moondeck | so no way i can run something like that |
| 10:48.29 | netfunk | ^^alternative to petn-randalls advice, vyos is routing OS |
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| 10:48.54 | moondeck | but will consider it for my watchguard |
| 10:49.22 | netfunk | why not vm it?\ |
| 10:49.34 | moondeck | because a vm simulates ideal hardware |
| 10:50.06 | moondeck | and i pretty much cannot write support for anything else than "QEMU generic network controller" or something like that |
| 10:50.19 | moondeck | and on real hardware its just cooler |
| 10:50.28 | moondeck | i am already using QEMU |
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| 10:50.44 | netfunk | ah yes, you did mention your OS in dev lol |
| 10:51.09 | moondeck | basically, i need my computer to host a PXE boot thing |
| 10:51.10 | netfunk | misunderstood lol |
| 10:51.26 | moondeck | and then have a board (soekris net4501) boot off it |
| 10:52.53 | bezaban | it's pretty straight forward, set an entry in dhcp server that points to a tftp server with syslinux/what you need. |
| 10:52.58 | moondeck | or maybe not PXE, but something like that |
| 10:53.03 | moondeck | can i use GRUB? |
| 10:53.10 | bezaban | yeah |
| 10:53.18 | netfunk | petn-randalls suggestion of reviewing https://debian-handbook.info/ im sure someone close by can help, |
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| 10:54.00 | netfunk | ** petn's advice is good |
| 10:54.14 | moondeck | i know, i will check it out |
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| 10:57.10 | moondeck | BTW, you can see it here github.com/m00nd3ck/hydrogen |
| 10:57.21 | moondeck | it doesnt do quite anything yet, aside from running |
| 10:58.27 | netfunk | is os dev as daunting as i imagine? |
| 10:58.41 | moondeck | depends |
| 10:59.06 | moondeck | userspace programming is a *lot* easier |
| 10:59.15 | moondeck | because there is no hardware-specific strange stuff |
| 11:00.16 | netfunk | userspace as in applications you mean? |
| 11:00.22 | moondeck | yeah |
| 11:00.28 | netfunk | oh hell yea |
| 11:00.37 | moondeck | or even like linux kernel modules |
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| 11:01.17 | moondeck | its relatively high-level because you dont really deal with the hardware directly, not like addressing individual registers and stuff |
| 11:01.36 | moondeck | actually, depends on what you are writing |
| 11:01.38 | netfunk | my father was an assembly programmer for a large US utility before pcs/mac became household items, so i've heard my share lokl |
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| 11:01.52 | moondeck | lol |
| 11:02.06 | moondeck | actually, i shouldnt point you directly to the repo |
| 11:02.18 | moondeck | but to m00nd3ck.github.io/hydrogen |
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| 11:31.09 | golgoth | hi |
| 11:31.30 | moondeck | hi |
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| 11:31.37 | golgoth | i got a dmesg issue on wlan0 |
| 11:32.22 | golgoth | ieee80211 phy0: rt2x00queue_flush_queue: Warning - Queue 0 failed to flush |
| 11:32.22 | golgoth | [ 7902.040048] ieee80211 phy0: rt2x00queue_flush_queue: Warning - Queue 2 failed to flush |
| 11:32.22 | golgoth | [ 7902.200046] ieee80211 phy0: rt2x00queue_flush_queue: Warning - Queue 0 failed to flush |
| 11:32.22 | golgoth | [ 7906.798584] ieee80211 phy0: rt61pci_txdone: Warning - TX status report missed for entry 9 |
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| 11:32.48 | moondeck | somebody didnt read the rules there |
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| 11:33.05 | moondeck | i dont see how thats an issue |
| 11:33.15 | moondeck | probably doesnt affect anything |
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| 11:38.04 | julius_ | netfunk, why not? guess what happens when you choose a defaul port for a public ip |
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| 11:38.51 | julius_ | netfunk, iptables...have to check |
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| 11:38.56 | julius_ | thanks |
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| 11:42.56 | netfunk | wait huh lol |
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| 11:49.22 | KeBugCheck | Is there an equivalent in debian of the command "rpmbuild -bc --short-circuit SPECS/qemu-kvm.spec"? The aforementioned command basically just builds the code (without cleaning) and is very useful during code-compile-repeat cycle of software development. Thanks! |
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| 11:49.44 | petn-randall | KeBugCheck: dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us -b |
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| 11:50.56 | KeBugCheck | brb trying it |
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| 11:55.49 | themill | KeBugCheck: add a -nc to that |
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| 11:57.54 | aruns | I am trying to implement ssl enabled site on aws hosted site using certbot nginx and Debian Wheezy, I have installed certbot certificates, configured nginx now final hurdle is when I am doing nmap its showing me 443 closed >> output here, https://paste.ubuntu.com/23598043/ what is the way to resolve this ? |
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| 11:59.38 | JyZyXEL | after $ apt-get source linux, do i need to copy the .config from /boot, or is it already pre-installed? |
| 12:00.28 | nkuttler | JyZyXEL: apt-get source doesn't install anything outside of ./ |
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| 12:00.41 | JyZyXEL | no, i mean is the source already configured with the default debian .config? |
| 12:00.59 | JyZyXEL | because i need to change it |
| 12:01.07 | JyZyXEL | so where is the correct spot to change it? |
| 12:01.16 | JyZyXEL | before i rebuild the package |
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| 12:02.15 | nkuttler | well, the kernel src tree. not sure if a different config is packaged though |
| 12:02.35 | JyZyXEL | so how should i do it? |
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| 12:02.53 | nkuttler | just copy the file? |
| 12:03.01 | nkuttler | or run diff if you care to know |
| 12:03.30 | JyZyXEL | but what if the build process generates the .config on the fly? |
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| 12:03.54 | JyZyXEL | if i modify the source tree with make menuconfig, my changes might not even apply to the package |
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| 12:04.36 | nkuttler | JyZyXEL: i don't see why that would happen |
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| 12:04.54 | JyZyXEL | apparently the build command is: fakeroot debian/rules binary |
| 12:05.03 | nkuttler | sounds about right |
| 12:05.09 | JyZyXEL | its not the normal build command |
| 12:05.14 | JyZyXEL | that you use for normal packages |
| 12:05.29 | nkuttler | JyZyXEL: um, it's what I've always used |
| 12:05.32 | nkuttler | for all packages |
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| 12:05.40 | JyZyXEL | usually you use 'dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us' |
| 12:05.46 | nkuttler | shrugs |
| 12:07.50 | KeBugCheck | dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us -b -nc was quicker than normal build. But it seems to be building packages also...so maybe there is some optimization possible there. Anyway, thanks for your help <themill> and <petn-randall> |
| 12:08.03 | JyZyXEL | see! |
| 12:08.09 | JyZyXEL | that is the normal command to use |
| 12:08.40 | nkuttler | JyZyXEL: it's just a wrapper that calls fakeroot/binary |
| 12:08.47 | JyZyXEL | oh :D |
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| 12:26.50 | gr8 | hi, I am running debian stable which has libboost-dev 1.55, but I require 1.57. How can I get this newer version while using the package manager? |
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| 12:28.21 | pr0mark | Morning -- it's a bit quiet in the ubuntu room -- I'm trying to figure out whey when I am root on ubuntu 16.04.1 when I rund the find utility it still generates Permission Denied |
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| 12:29.14 | ychaouche | Hello #debian |
| 12:29.25 | ychaouche | anyone knows if there's a package for libreoffice with dbus support ? |
| 12:29.44 | Brigo | ,v libboost-dev |
| 12:29.45 | judd | Package: libboost-dev on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.49.0.1; jessie: 1.55.0.2; stretch: 1.62.0.1; sid: 1.62.0.1 |
| 12:30.12 | Brigo | gr8, there is not backports of that librery, you should backport it yourself |
| 12:30.36 | Brigo | ,checkbackport libboost-dev |
| 12:30.37 | judd | Backporting package libboost-dev in sidâjessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libboost1.62-dev (>= 1.62.0). |
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| 12:30.56 | Brigo | gr8, and it turns out you can't. :-/ |
| 12:31.10 | gr8 | I have no idea of developing, I just need that as a dependency for compiling a program :-/ |
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| 12:32.33 | Brigo | gr8, i am not a developer either, clueless here too, sorry. |
| 12:32.38 | bezaban | gr8: you can get a source package of libboost-dev and compile it in your home directory (wihout installing it) and then compile other stuff against that, but no guarantees that you won't encounter other dependencies |
| 12:33.08 | Brigo | l ,checkbackport ibboost1.62-dev |
| 12:33.11 | Brigo | l ,checkbackport libboost1.62-dev |
| 12:33.19 | Brigo | ,checkbackport libboost1.62-dev |
| 12:33.20 | judd | Backporting package libboost1.62-dev in sidâjessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libicu-dev (>= 57), g++ (>= 4:5-0), g++-6. |
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| 12:35.03 | gr8 | uhm dev told me 1.55 might work as well so I'm just trying that |
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| 13:01.26 | DexterF_ | hi |
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| 13:28.51 | m_robot | Hello |
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| 13:39.51 | \\Mr_C\\ | i have this for sale http://www.ti.com/tool/tmdsevm3530 ... and this one too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xfI_kQMvNY |
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| 13:43.22 | petn-randall | Hi \\Mr_C\\, this is a Debian support channel, offering products/services for sale are offtopic here. |
| 13:43.35 | \\Mr_C\\ | very well |
| 13:44.29 | TriMoon | Don't you think he knows that? it's just a spammer.... /ignore till ip blocked :) |
| 13:44.42 | \\Mr_C\\ | im not a spammer |
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| 13:44.53 | \\Mr_C\\ | ive been running debian for years |
| 13:44.58 | \\Mr_C\\ | probably before you were born |
| 13:45.04 | petn-randall | TriMoon: No idea, I haven't seen them talk on any other channel. |
| 13:45.19 | \\Mr_C\\ | i am 46 |
| 13:45.22 | TriMoon | welcome to irc lols |
| 13:45.31 | petn-randall | \\Mr_C\\: That is interesting, but still offtopic. |
| 13:45.33 | petn-randall | !ot |
| 13:45.33 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 13:45.34 | \\Mr_C\\ | uhh, ive been on irc since 1994 |
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| 13:46.58 | Shadur | \\Mr_C\\: And we *don't care*. This is still not a channel to offer items or services for sale in. |
| 13:47.06 | \\Mr_C\\ | i said very well |
| 13:47.07 | \\Mr_C\\ | sorry |
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| 13:49.28 | teraflops | yeah but you guys are extending the conversation with no reason. and it's Trimdon's fault sine petn-randall already ended it |
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| 13:50.17 | \\Mr_C\\ | hehe |
| 13:50.22 | \\Mr_C\\ | tereflops |
| 13:50.27 | \\Mr_C\\ | teraflops |
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| 13:50.33 | \\Mr_C\\ | made me giggle |
| 13:50.46 | petn-randall | \\Mr_C\\: Do you have a Debian support question? |
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| 13:51.02 | \\Mr_C\\ | actually i do |
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| 13:51.11 | petn-randall | !ask |
| 13:51.11 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 13:51.19 | \\Mr_C\\ | will debian run on a wyse vx0? |
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| 13:51.34 | jelly | which architecture is that |
| 13:51.42 | \\Mr_C\\ | not sure |
| 13:51.53 | \\Mr_C\\ | they have windows ce on it now |
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| 13:52.01 | \\Mr_C\\ | or some crap |
| 13:52.04 | \\Mr_C\\ | looks like xp |
| 13:52.19 | \\Mr_C\\ | embedded |
| 13:52.39 | jelly | you'd have to figure out which hardware is inside and how it boots |
| 13:53.04 | \\Mr_C\\ | its like all chips, doesnt even have a hard drive in it |
| 13:54.24 | \\Mr_C\\ | i guess they are used for terminals |
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| 13:54.54 | \\Mr_C\\ | i tried to boot a debian usb stick |
| 13:55.02 | \\Mr_C\\ | cant get it to work |
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| 13:55.18 | \\Mr_C\\ | wyse vx0 if that helps any |
| 13:56.24 | jelly | again, you'll have to figure out which hardware is inside, is it intel, mips, arm, which CPU/SoC and how it boots |
| 13:56.34 | \\Mr_C\\ | okay |
| 13:57.04 | jelly | only then can you try to figure out how to boot it from network or external media |
| 13:57.39 | jelly | figure out the specifications first, if it has less than 512MB RAM it's probably not worth your time |
| 13:57.56 | \\Mr_C\\ | it does boot the usb with the network install debian, but it doesnt find the network |
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| 13:58.43 | Shadur | Okay, so at least you have the right architecture. You can check a console with alt-F2 and run dmesg to see if it found/recognized any network hardware |
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| 13:59.22 | \\Mr_C\\ | hmm |
| 13:59.25 | \\Mr_C\\ | very well |
| 13:59.28 | betandr | "its like all chips" is my favourite thing of the day :) |
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| 14:05.11 | coincoin169 | Hi, is it possible to have several CUPS server in my client.conf and to see all the printers of all the CUPS servers? |
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| 14:09.50 | Howdy | Guys does the latest version of Debian 8.6 get a newer version of hypervisior like 4.6? |
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| 14:12.56 | petn-randall | Howdy: Of which hypervisor? Usually a stable version only get's bugfixes, no new features/versions introduced. |
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| 14:15.16 | zooph | woops - why's #debian-next invite-only?.. o.O |
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| 14:16.38 | mingdao | zooph: /msg dpkg debian-next |
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| 14:18.19 | zooph | mingdao: thx :-) |
| 14:18.34 | mado | Hello everyone. Can anyone of you maybe help me with a LibreOffice issue as well? |
| 14:19.10 | mado | Or can one only ask questions regarding Debian? |
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| 14:20.47 | mado | My dad seems to often get some error message when updating the main and only table so far in his Base file. |
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| 14:21.24 | petn-randall | mado: Which OS release are you running? |
| 14:21.26 | zooph | mado: if it's a problem that's not Debian's fault you should surely at least get your answer more easily in the libreoffice channel... |
| 14:21.28 | mado | saying something about an input/output error in /path/to/file in statement UPDATE ... |
| 14:21.51 | mado | petn-randall: my dad's computer is running Debian 8.6 |
| 14:22.06 | petn-randall | mado: Do you have access to it right now? |
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| 14:22.38 | mado | i'm sitting in front of it, petn-randall :) |
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| 14:23.15 | petn-randall | mado: Very good! Can you paste the complete errors you get to http://paste.debian.net? |
| 14:23.55 | mado | I will try, unfortunately the error message doesn't really say much, even when you click this "more info" button ... but okay |
| 14:24.11 | mado | any prefered expiration petn-randall ? |
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| 14:25.52 | petn-randall | mado: Not really, as long as it's long enough for us to see. :) |
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| 14:26.48 | jelly | !stretch pool 1 |
| 14:26.48 | dpkg | ! bæbÄ«len=2017-05-06 TomTomTosch=2017-08-08 greycat=2017-08-15 jellÿ=2017-03-17 themÃll=2017-05-01 |
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| 14:28.32 | Howdy | petn-randall: HI Petn, I am running 4.4 now |
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| 14:29.11 | Howdy | xen_version : 4.4.1 |
| 14:29.23 | Howdy | on Debian |
| 14:29.30 | Howdy | jessie |
| 14:29.34 | Howdy | hmm just 8 |
| 14:29.51 | mado | alright petn-randall -> http://paste.debian.net/901215/ |
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| 14:33.42 | petn-randall | Howdy: That is the current one, and there won't be any newer version in jessie. At some point in the future there might be a newer one in jessie-backports, though. |
| 14:34.39 | mado | Could you see the message, petn-randall ? |
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| 14:36.22 | xieyun | ... |
| 14:36.31 | petn-randall | mado: Is that file writeable by your user? |
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| 14:36.43 | mado | yes it is |
| 14:36.44 | petn-randall | mado: Does that bug happen every time you save, or just sometimes? |
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| 14:37.24 | mado | well it seems to happen randomly every once in a while ... how frequent i can't say but often enough so it's frustrating |
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| 14:39.46 | mado | i can tell you additionally that yesterday he had the same problem ... before that it worked for a little while and i think but i can be wrong - the last time before that was, some weeks ago i think |
| 14:40.00 | mado | it's really irritating petn-randall |
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| 14:41.09 | petn-randall | mado: "/path/to/file.odb.log" is a log file, I presume? Maybe there is more information about the problem. |
| 14:41.19 | _boreeas_ | Hi, I'm having troubles with vmdebootstrap. I want a setup where either / or /home is an XFS, however with --roottype=xfs, the partition gets corrupted, and there appears to be no option to reserve space so I can create an XFS partition for /home via a customization script |
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| 14:41.32 | mado | well it's not always in .log petn-randall ... sometimes it is in .odb itself too |
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| 14:42.01 | _boreeas_ | I also tried grml-debootstrap, but grml-debootstrap seems to have no option for a separate /boot partition, and grub refuses to boot from XFS |
| 14:42.06 | _boreeas_ | Any ideas? |
| 14:42.30 | mado | sorry forgot your name there, petn-randall -> well it's not always in .log petn-randall ... sometimes it is in .odb itself too |
| 14:42.39 | Howdy | petn-randall: Thanks, hey can you recommend a good book for a newbie Linux user |
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| 14:43.18 | petn-randall | !debian handbook |
| 14:43.18 | dpkg | The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at http://debian-handbook.info/ and can be browsed, bought and downloaded. From Debian 7 "Wheezy" onwards, it can also can be installed from the debian-handbook package. Also ask me about <books> <docs>. |
| 14:43.23 | petn-randall | Howdy: ^^^ |
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| 14:44.19 | mado | also ... guess what, petn-randall ... there is no log file at said path |
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| 14:49.54 | petn-randall | mado: What was the exact full path in the error message? |
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| 14:50.47 | mado | petn-randall: -> /media/reini/lager/Bücheruebersicht <- |
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| 14:51.19 | mado | but i can tell you ... even when he has full access and all that to the file ... he does get this kind of error |
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| 14:51.39 | mado | just saying this in case you were thinking of that, petn-randall |
| 14:51.41 | petn-randall | mado: And there is nothing else accessing that file at the same time? |
| 14:52.11 | mado | petn-randall: i can't think of anything ... what else would access his database file? |
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| 14:53.00 | contrapunctus | o/ |
| 14:53.09 | petn-randall | mado: Maybe if you have that on a shared folder, and you're accessing it from another machine. |
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| 14:53.43 | mado | well it's not shared with anyone ... even when the file is in his home folder he faces this kind of problem |
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| 14:53.59 | mado | it's just on another partition and sometimes on a usb pen drive |
| 14:54.22 | mado | plus ... he had the same problems on a Windows computer as well, petn-randall |
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| 14:59.09 | mado | if you or someone else can think of anything else ... it'd be greatly appreciated ... i'm afraid i have to leave for a short while now --- what i find weird is that i just crashed LibreOffice via xkill ... because it didn't even close any more ... the problem is gone, for now ... but very soon will return, i'm sure |
| 14:59.11 | contrapunctus | I'm live booting Debian on a Dell Vostro 3558. The trackpad just doesn't work (it's only by plugging in a wireless mouse that I'm able to do anything). How may I fix this? |
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| 14:59.55 | mado | catch you all later, i hope :) ... thanks for your suggestions though petn-randall : ) |
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| 15:00.04 | petn-randall | mado: you're welcome, see you later |
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| 15:02.23 | esp__ | contrapunctus, you are booting official non free live version? |
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| 15:02.53 | esp__ | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.6.0-live+nonfree/ |
| 15:02.59 | JethroTux | is there a way to get flash working on cheomium? pepperflash seems deprecated so I tried copying libpepflashplayer.so under/usr/lib/chromium/plugins/ but it's still not working. |
| 15:03.07 | esp__ | try this one contrapunctus |
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| 15:03.48 | centrx | JethroTux: Why do you say "pepperflash seems deprecated"? |
| 15:04.21 | Howdy | petn-randall: Thank You! |
| 15:04.34 | esp__ | living already happily 3 years without flashplayer :) |
| 15:05.09 | JethroTux | centrx, Google stopped shipping Flash since Chrome 54 for Linux. |
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| 15:05.43 | esp__ | who still needs flash nowadays? |
| 15:05.55 | centrx | JethroTux: Sure, but that's because Flash itself is deprecated |
| 15:06.31 | centrx | JethroTux: (in reality, outside of Adobe) |
| 15:06.42 | centrx | JethroTux: the pepperflash plugin was last updated in August, not that old |
| 15:06.45 | jelly | JethroTux: but they still automagically download it from some place, just put it into ~/.config/google-chrome/ instead of /opt/google-chrome/ |
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| 15:06.58 | contrapunctus | esp__: I got mine here - http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/bt-hybrid/ |
| 15:07.28 | esp__ | try the non free version contrapunctus |
| 15:07.34 | jelly | -rw-r--r-- 1 jelly jelly 18789664 Nov 9 00:41 .config/google-chrome/PepperFlash/23.0.0.207/libpepflashplayer.so |
| 15:07.35 | contrapunctus | and +1 for flash-free living. |
| 15:07.49 | esp__ | it probably needs proprietary kernel blob |
| 15:07.58 | contrapunctus | esp__: :( |
| 15:08.02 | jelly | centrx: if yours is from August, you need an update |
| 15:08.21 | contrapunctus | (I'm on it) |
| 15:08.23 | centrx | jelly: I'm looking at the package changelog for sid, I don't use it. I assume it downloads updated ones |
| 15:08.25 | esp__ | https://blogs.adobe.com/conversations/2015/11/flash-html5-and-open-web-standards.html //even adobe advised to stop using flash:) |
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| 15:08.56 | contrapunctus | esp__: if it does, there's no way to use a libre alternative? |
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| 15:09.31 | JethroTux | jelly, i tried putting it inside libpepflashplayer.so restarted chromium but it's still not working. Cant find the proper directory |
| 15:09.34 | esp__ | contrapunctus, I am right now using live usb version as well, I only use the non free version to avoid such issues |
| 15:09.49 | jelly | JethroTux: 64bit chromium, right? |
| 15:09.54 | JethroTux | i mean $HOME/.config/chromium/ |
| 15:09.59 | JethroTux | yep |
| 15:10.10 | esp__ | free is nice, but sometimes we need a minor compromise ;) |
| 15:10.39 | JethroTux | under the plugins page theres pdf viewer only |
| 15:10.52 | contrapunctus | sad, I figured a machine with preinstalled Linux would not need nonfree drivers |
| 15:11.16 | JethroTux | jelly, also tried under /usr/lib/chromium/plugins/ |
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| 15:12.33 | jhutchins | JethroTux: Are you running 64b? |
| 15:12.46 | JethroTux | jhutchins, yes |
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| 15:13.29 | esp__ | if majority of consumers would buy intelligently their computers, manufacturers would care... reality is that probably not even 1% of the global market cares about free hardware components |
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| 15:13.54 | JethroTux | file is "libpepflashplayer.so", maybe needs to be renamed? |
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| 15:14.23 | contrapunctus | esp__: how does system76 fare in this regard? |
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| 15:15.29 | jelly | JethroTux: how did you download it? My Chrome has this: http://paste.debian.net/901227/ |
| 15:16.09 | jelly | JethroTux: I assume your browser ought to have something similar under .config/chromium/PepperFlash |
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| 15:16.32 | esp__ | contrapunctus, no idea, i am loyal to the Thinkpad series until now... although these perfectly work with linux, non free is required as well to have network adapters supported |
| 15:16.52 | JethroTux | jelly, I downloaded the latest flash release tarball, I do not have that directory actually. |
| 15:17.22 | esp__ | but it pisses me off I have to buy each Thinkpad with a microsoft windows preinstalled |
| 15:18.06 | n4dir | contrapunctus: i'd rather assume that a trackpad needs a newer kernel than non-free drivers. |
| 15:18.08 | contrapunctus | same issue with my toshiba, AFAIK |
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| 15:18.24 | contrapunctus | n4dir: that'd be nice |
| 15:18.41 | n4dir | well: just shooting in the dark, what i would assume. |
| 15:18.45 | wodim | in bash, "i=1 j=2 echo $i $j" -- why doesn't this also show the contents of $j ? |
| 15:19.03 | contrapunctus | esp__: wasn't one able to get a refund for that? |
| 15:19.31 | TriMoon | only way to get rid of M$ preinstalled on any hardware is to just NOT buy those hardwares.... Its YOUR choice as consumer to FORCE the market.... |
| 15:19.54 | jelly | wodim: because $i and $j are expanded before the line is run |
| 15:20.00 | esp__ | in Belgium there is sadly no choice TriMoon |
| 15:20.18 | esp__ | I still do not understand why EU didnt regulate this yet |
| 15:20.43 | wodim | jelly, I don't understand why $i but not $j |
| 15:20.49 | TriMoon | wodim, use printf instead of echo and put them inside quotes? |
| 15:20.51 | centrx | EU is dying |
| 15:21.10 | contrapunctus | everyone is dying. |
| 15:21.13 | jelly | wodim: you already have $i set from before, probably |
| 15:21.20 | jelly | wodim: a=2 b=3 eval 'echo $a $b' |
| 15:21.22 | wodim | jelly, oh |
| 15:21.35 | wodim | fine I'll try that, thanks |
| 15:21.49 | Howdy | Guys when can we buy Oled HDR 5k computer monitor ? |
| 15:21.53 | jelly | or just a=2; b=3; do stuff with $a and $b |
| 15:21.55 | Howdy | I want to buy myself a gift |
| 15:22.18 | jelly | Howdy: sadly, that's not a debian tech support question |
| 15:22.30 | Howdy | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:22.41 | Howdy | can; |
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| 15:22.49 | Howdy | can't forget freesync |
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| 15:24.04 | TriMoon | just FYI Howdy, nowerdays you can as easily use any monitor as computer monitor. the diff has gone away since tech evolved :) |
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| 15:24.44 | Howdy | lol i guess |
| 15:24.49 | centrx | even your phone is a computer |
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| 15:25.01 | TriMoon | anyway back to topic.. |
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| 15:26.14 | dirtyaugust | guys is it possible to add ubuntu ppa on debian ? im trying to install mesa from padoka ppa |
| 15:26.44 | boxrick1 | In the preseed file, how does pre-pending d-i to everything compare to not? |
| 15:26.48 | n4dir | there we go again .... |
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| 15:27.28 | jhutchins | dirtyaugust: Possible, but not a good idea. Mixing releases results in reinstalling. |
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| 15:27.35 | TriMoon | dirtyaugust, you should not combine softare from different distributions even though the file is recognized |
| 15:27.37 | esp__ | !ubuntu |
| 15:27.37 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 15:28.38 | dirtyaugust | alright thanks |
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| 15:29.34 | deebluv | hi, does debian support SDR systems connected to the sound card? |
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| 15:31.06 | petn-randall | Howdy: You're welcome! |
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| 15:33.15 | jhutchins | dirtyaugust: It's better to backport or build your own Debian package. /msg dpkg ssb |
| 15:33.48 | boxrick1 | In a pre-seed file how does the d-i component work, since in some pre-seed commands it doesn't appear to exist? |
| 15:33.51 | jelly | except mesa is a bit complex |
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| 15:36.20 | deebluv | hi, does debian support SDR systems connected to the sound card?or they just registers itself with the system as a sound card? |
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| 15:39.03 | centrx | deebluv: I don't know anything about it, but there is a "gqrx-sdr" package for the Gqrx SDR. Gqrx SDR was the first result when I searched for [debian software-defined radio] |
| 15:39.45 | jhutchins | esp__: Dell sells laptops with Linux pre-installed, and there are companies that sell only linux laptops. |
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| 15:41.12 | sshine | hi. I'd like to see the 'mosml' compiler gets added back to the debian/ubuntu source trees. I'm not a package maintainer. I've read up on becoming one, and it seems like a lot of work for someone who isn't socially active in the debian/ubuntu communities. would you agree? |
| 15:41.19 | sshine | s/source/package/ |
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| 15:42.50 | sshine | I'll try and contact the package maintainer for the 'smlnj' compiler and ask him if I could work through him. |
| 15:43.11 | centrx | sshine: That is a good way to go, get a sponsor, help the sponsor |
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| 15:43.35 | centrx | sshine: eventually become a "Debian Maintainer" |
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| 15:47.20 | sshine | centrx, great. I sent an email. |
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| 15:47.59 | sshine | centrx, and am I right to assume that if a package is already in Debian, getting it into Ubuntu is quite easier? |
| 15:48.33 | centrx | sshine: I'm not really familiar with that, but I would say definitely |
| 15:48.40 | centrx | sshine: It might even be automatic for getting it into universe |
| 15:49.31 | sshine | centrx, I'll worry about that later. the university doesn't currently use this compiler in teaching anyway, so there's no rush. |
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| 15:49.53 | sshine | centrx, thanks, and have a great day. :-) |
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| 15:54.12 | Kiril | are you aware is it available a rbldnsd how-to (install and configure) using local dns server (bind, powerdns) or the current one from provider? |
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| 16:00.59 | Dracunos | Anyone familiar with lil debian and debian kit |
| 16:01.28 | HJfFun | does debian netinstall have elinks or lynx by default ? |
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| 16:02.26 | petn-randall | HJfFun: I assume it has neither, since they're both not needed for installation. |
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| 16:02.35 | cavaughan | HJfFun: I would doubt it, as I always have to install those soon after installing Debian |
| 16:02.47 | petn-randall | HJfFun: the debian installer is quite limited regarding tools it has on the disk to use. |
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| 16:03.27 | zykotick9 | HJfFun: <sidenote> an actual install, will typically come with the w3m text browser... |
| 16:04.05 | HJfFun | so I can' use a netinstall.iso behind a hotspot |
| 16:04.11 | HJfFun | can't* |
| 16:04.18 | Dracunos | I guess one install is chroot and the other is not.. I'm also unsure if kit has x, I don't think lildebian does |
| 16:04.38 | Dracunos | And I don't know what chroot is |
| 16:04.44 | petn-randall | HJfFun: You mean the one's where you have to agree to some ToS before you can use the uplink? |
| 16:04.56 | petn-randall | s/'// |
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| 16:05.15 | c-c | HJfFun: you can, if you add the packages into it https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CD#Debian-Installer:_How_to_modify_an_existing_CD_image |
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| 16:05.47 | deebluv | centrx: ah,ok.thanx a lot |
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| 16:06.15 | HJfFun | petn-randall, yes that's it |
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| 16:06.38 | common_user | anyone dug a bit deeper in fluxion? |
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| 16:07.51 | HJfFun | ok zyclonicz i will try with w3m |
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| 16:08.51 | petn-randall | HJfFun: I would just recommend to avoid those at all costs. |
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| 16:11.24 | HJfFun | petn-randall, ok. I will follow your recommandations |
| 16:11.29 | HJfFun | thx all |
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| 16:17.59 | petn-randall | HJfFun: If you have the possibility, I'd use a Ethernet cable during installation, to maximize bandwidth/reliability until all things from the base system are installed. Some wifi cards for example are a little buggy without newer firmware, and you usually install that after the initial installation. |
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| 16:37.48 | emx | I got the following setup: I have a raid1. On that I got LUKS and on that I got LVM. The problem I got with that setup is that at boot time, raid1 is not assembled causing 3 services (md, LUKS and LVM) to wait (fore each other?). |
| 16:37.50 | emx | Is there a fix? |
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| 16:44.14 | cavaughan | emx: have you looked at this: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/107810/why-my-encrypted-lvm-volume-luks-device-wont-mount-at-boot-time |
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| 16:54.51 | jelly | emx: make sure your md raid1 needed for / mountpoint is present in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf, "dpkg-reconfigure mdadm" and tell the package to bring it up early in initramfs, if that doesn't rebuild initramfs do it yourself |
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| 16:56.53 | julius | hi |
| 16:57.34 | jelly | hello |
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| 16:58.00 | julius | i got: /etc/rsyslog.d/00-my_iptables.conf with the content: :msg,contains,"[netfilter] " -/var/log/iptables.log after restarting rsyslogd i can see hits on my rule: iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -j LOG --log-prefix="[netfilter]" in iptables -L -v -n, but the logfile isnt created |
| 16:58.20 | emx | jelly, I read bout that. The problem: root FS is not on a raid. |
| 16:59.03 | jelly | emx: it can still be a valid workaround to bring a md array first, before other stuff |
| 16:59.24 | jelly | bring a md array online* first |
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| 16:59.54 | jelly | emx: this is debian 8? systemd? |
| 16:59.55 | zyclonicz | Debian is not free software. |
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| 17:00.36 | jelly | zyclonicz: try #debian-offtopic, this is a tech support channel |
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| 17:05.02 | emx | jelly, raspbian to be precise, based on jessie. |
| 17:05.08 | emx | I assume it is systemd |
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| 17:05.53 | jelly | emx: you'll have to ask in #raspbian then, there may be differences in the boot process that we know nothing about |
| 17:06.20 | emx | jelly, First I tried there, but no answer -.- |
| 17:06.28 | jelly | be patient |
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| 17:10.39 | jelly | or send me an r.pi3 and I'll join #raspbian and try to reproduce your issue ;-) |
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| 17:17.20 | at0m | emx: long time ago you asked there? |
| 17:17.45 | emx | at0m, yesterday. I just noticed that the channel is a bit active right now. |
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| 17:18.02 | jelly | emx: I guess you may be allowed to repeat once a day! |
| 17:18.33 | at0m | emx: the main dev is talking now.. |
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| 17:19.33 | emx | okok :) |
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| 17:20.00 | emx | I missed the reply of cavaughan. Let's see if got something wrong with that. |
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| 17:24.22 | sappel | evening, I'm currently trying to establish 2 virual tunnel interfaces to an external partner. the primary works fine, but the second doesn't. the 2nd is only backup route. now the external guy things it's my fault, I think it is his...any chance to solve this? I'm using debian with strongswan behind a pfsense firewall to connect to cisco devices at the external part. with tcpdump I was able to verify udp ncapsulated taffic to the external ip |
| 17:24.22 | sappel | of both, 1st and 2nd interface. but the 2nd never get's a reply besides keep alives. the 1st gets a reply for every packet sent, e.g. ping |
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| 17:25.49 | petn-randall | sappel: Sounds like it works as expected, but there is a routing problem. Can you check if the reply packet goes through the 1st interface? |
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| 17:27.53 | sappel | I used tcpdump ith src (with WAN IP of the 2nd external site)...no answers |
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| 17:28.40 | sappel | I should have been able to grab it using this, right? |
| 17:29.05 | petn-randall | sappel: I'm assuming you send a packet through the 2nd interface, but you get a reply back on the 1st. So you need to run two instances of tcpdump. |
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| 17:32.02 | petn-randall | sappel: Unless you have lots of traffic inside the tunnels, I wouldn't limit anything (yet). |
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| 17:33.51 | jelly | sappel: are you mutihosted or have a single public ip? |
| 17:35.02 | sappel | my site is single wan |
| 17:35.14 | sappel | what I just did: |
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| 17:36.41 | sappel | tcpdump on vti0 and another one on vti1; ping IP on other site of 1st vti; send and receive works in tcpdump vti0; vti1 dump was empty |
| 17:37.38 | sappel | ping IP on site vti1, I only see leaving packets, but no replies. not on vti0 or vti1 |
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| 17:38.12 | sappel | I'll check my firewall as well, brb |
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| 17:41.27 | sappel | I cant see any packets being replied in my fw either |
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| 17:43.13 | petn-randall | sappel: If your tunnels terminate on your local machine, the fw shouldn't be an issue. You will still see packets with tcpdump even if they are filtered. |
| 17:43.21 | jelly | if you do tcpdump on the physical iface, do you see return traffic when you try using the second tunnel |
| 17:43.48 | petn-randall | sappel: I'd test it with the 1st down and only the 2nd up. If you don't see any change, I'd pass the packet dumps to their admin as proof that it doesn't work. |
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| 17:46.19 | sappel | the other site thinks my fw might be the problem. but even there 'I see send+receive with correct src+dst (wan ips) udp encapsulated when using first iface vti0, but only send packets when using vti1 |
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| 17:47.03 | jelly | and you can't run tcpdump or other sniffer on your pfsense machine? |
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| 17:47.43 | sappel | I do! thats why I only see udp packets |
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| 17:48.12 | sappel | the other site thinks my fw might be the problem. but even there 'I see send+receive with correct src+dst (wan ips) udp encapsulated when using first iface vti0, but only send packets when using vti1 <-- that was on the pfsense! |
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| 17:51.27 | jelly | ah |
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| 17:52.06 | jelly | the lan side or the wan side of pfsense? :-) |
| 17:52.30 | sappel | wan |
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| 18:00.55 | sappel | anyways, thanks jelly and petn-randall |
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| 18:21.34 | DrBunsen | Hello, how do I check what dismounted or mounted? Because I randomly hear the sound of something being dismounted but I did not remove a thing. |
| 18:21.53 | greycat | "df" or "mount" if you mean file systems |
| 18:22.06 | preaction | DrBunsen: check dmesg or /var/log/messages perhaps |
| 18:22.17 | greycat | I don't know what you mean by "hear the sound". Like, a physical sound? Something on your desk falls over and goes "clunk"? |
| 18:22.58 | DrBunsen | greycat: the sound of the DM saying "clunk" |
| 18:22.59 | greycat | Or is this another one of those godawful Desktop Environment things.... |
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| 18:23.26 | greycat | So your DE makes a noise when a file system is dis-automounted due to inactivity or something? |
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| 18:24.07 | DrBunsen | it makes a sound whenever a device is being removed |
| 18:24.29 | DrBunsen | preaction: I checked dmesg, I assume the first numbers are stating a boot number? |
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| 18:24.34 | croddy | tape robot saying "i'll unmount it. if you insist. it'll end in tears." |
| 18:24.50 | preaction | DrBunsen: the first lines in there are the machine booting up, likely, yes |
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| 18:25.11 | DrBunsen | what is the gnu pastebin link again? |
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| 18:25.28 | greycat | The #debian preferred paste site is http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 18:25.53 | DrBunsen | thanks |
| 18:26.01 | DrBunsen | this is what I am seeing with dmesg: https://paste.debian.net/901278/ |
| 18:26.17 | DrBunsen | so I should be buying another HDD? |
| 18:26.42 | greycat | Gah, the fucking https... |
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| 18:26.57 | greycat | removes the s so he can open it... |
| 18:26.58 | preaction | what? no |
| 18:27.08 | DrBunsen | http://paste.debian.net/901278/ |
| 18:27.23 | greycat | what? yes. Try it in elinks. In debian. |
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| 18:27.36 | greycat | It barfs on https://paste.debian.net/ and many other sites. |
| 18:27.46 | preaction | wasn't talking about the https stuff. i use safari and get a stupid popup every single time |
| 18:27.56 | preaction | i was talking about "so i should buy another hd" |
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| 18:28.29 | preaction | DrBunsen: if you want to know if the drive thinks it is failing, you can use smartmontools |
| 18:29.07 | jelly | DrBunsen: what's there in dmesg (or /var/log/kern.log if dmesg output doesn't go that far) before those start to happen? |
| 18:29.37 | DrBunsen | preaction: yeah, I will checek the smart values |
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| 18:30.39 | DrBunsen | jelly: the same message http://paste.debian.net/901283/ |
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| 18:31.25 | n-st | hi, can i use space on a remote system as a virtual block device via ssh? |
| 18:32.13 | greycat | No. You can mount a remote directory as a local file system using sshfs which runs over sftp, but it does not mimic a block device. |
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| 18:32.26 | n-st | (long story short, my btrfs had a fit again and i need a few extra gigabytes to run a balance) |
| 18:32.40 | greycat | Buy a USB thumb drive and plug it in? |
| 18:32.51 | jelly | n-st: if you have tcp connectivity, you can use nbd as a block device |
| 18:32.53 | n-st | greycat: it's a vps |
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| 18:33.11 | jelly | (an ssh port forward is tcp connectivity) |
| 18:34.14 | jelly | so TECHNICALLY setting up an xnbd-server or nbd-server remote, tunneling the access over ssh, and setting up a nbd client locally would qualify as "<n-st> hi, can i use space on a remote system as a virtual block device via ssh?" |
| 18:35.20 | n-st | jelly: sounds just like what i need. only problem: my rootfs is ENOSPC, can't install anything :/ |
| 18:35.20 | jelly | it's a matter of opinion on how sane that setup may be. I do something similar over udp-based vpn tunnel for crypto, not ssh |
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| 18:35.55 | qqx | n-st: Even if you could install things, I doubt that the performance of that would be at all usable. |
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| 18:36.28 | ahi2 | any vmware users in here? |
| 18:36.34 | greycat | !poll |
| 18:36.35 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
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| 18:37.33 | jelly | qqx: one of my md raid1 members is 3-6ms and half a dozen hops away. It's... usable enough. |
| 18:37.46 | n-st | jelly: who cares about sanity. on that same vps, i once had to pipe an archive through netcat to a remote system, gunzip it there, pipe it back and untar it afterwards |
| 18:37.59 | jelly | n-st: just once! |
| 18:38.16 | n-st | huh? |
| 18:38.19 | deepbluv | I just c'ant figure it out |
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| 18:38.45 | jelly | used to decode mp3 on a remote system, then pipe it back to /dev/audio |
| 18:38.54 | n-st | nice! |
| 18:39.15 | jelly | the remote had a whooping 50MHz CPU |
| 18:39.40 | n-st | jelly: you're old. |
| 18:39.46 | DrBunsen | preaction: I ran smartctrl over my devices, and does this look worrying? http://paste.debian.net/901286/ I am over every threshold.... |
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| 18:40.39 | n-st | DrBunsen: for most values, 100 is best, 0 is failed. besides "SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED" |
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| 18:41.37 | DrBunsen | ooo, I thought the threashold is 0,. and the value is 100 |
| 18:42.16 | jhutchins | DrBunsen: As long as you're not seeing smart errors in the logs and the bad block count isn't growing you're fine. |
| 18:42.19 | jelly | DrBunsen: if any of those attributes was below the threshhold you'd have a non-empty value in the WHEN_FAILED column |
| 18:42.19 | DrBunsen | meaning 0 is what you are aimning for |
| 18:42.35 | DrBunsen | yeah |
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| 18:42.42 | DrBunsen | okies, thanks |
| 18:42.58 | contrapunctus | esp__: I tried using the non-free ISO as you suggested. No luck, trackpad still doesn't work. o_o |
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| 18:50.52 | esp__ | contrapunctus, maybe its outdated kernel then? |
| 18:51.47 | deepbluv | why not go eith the mainstream |
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| 18:53.32 | contrapunctus | esp__: So no way to tell without installing it and upgrading it? |
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| 18:59.11 | kbs | silly question - is there statistic for the number of hits/bytes transferred out of a apt site like (say) ftp.us.debian.org ? I'm a bit curious how much it is used for updates, etc. I didn't see anything immediate from https://wiki.debian.org/Statistics but maybe I'm missing something |
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| 19:00.06 | kbs | (I should add - looking for us stats; I believe there are stats for some of the mirrors there.) |
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| 19:07.31 | contrapunctus | esp__: the installed Ubuntu on that notebook has kernel version 3.13.0-61, and according to https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=jessie&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=linux-image the kernel version in Debian stable is 3.16.0-4 |
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| 19:11.04 | contrapunctus | esp__: (and the touchpad works in the installed Ubuntu) |
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| 19:33.43 | julius | i got: /etc/rsyslog.d/00-my_iptables.conf with the content: :msg,contains,"[netfilter] " -/var/log/iptables.log after restarting rsyslogd i can see hits on my rule: iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -j LOG --log-prefix="[netfilter]" in iptables -L -v -n, but the logfile isnt created |
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| 19:45.04 | jhutchins | contrapunctus: What is the device ID of the trackpad? Does it appear in lsusb or lspci? |
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| 19:50.22 | contrapunctus | jhutchins: I cannot say - FWIW, /proc/bus/input/devices has this to say about it - "Name="SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad", Phys=isa0060serio1/input0, Sysfs=/devices/platform/i8042/serio1/input/input36, Uniq=, Handlers=mouse1 event12, PROP=5, EV=b, KEY=e520 610000 0 0 0 0, ABS=660800011000003". It does not appear in lsusb or lspci. |
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| 19:52.42 | crazy_dude | can someone help me with fluxion please? |
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| 19:55.54 | jhutchins | contrapunctus: http://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad |
| 19:57.00 | jhutchins | ,v fluuxion |
| 19:57.01 | judd | No package named 'fluuxion' was found in amd64. |
| 19:57.15 | jhutchins | ,v fluxion |
| 19:57.15 | judd | No package named 'fluxion' was found in amd64. |
| 19:57.30 | jhutchins | ... even if I spell it right. |
| 19:57.45 | crazy_dude | its not standard package in distro mate |
| 19:57.50 | jhutchins | contrapunctus: Is that any help? |
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| 19:58.19 | jhutchins | crazy_dude: So not reallly debian-support related, eh? |
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| 19:58.47 | crazy_dude | the problem i have is that it creates mon that cant be used and was wondering how to change it |
| 19:59.06 | crazy_dude | when i use airmon-ng, i get wlan0mon |
| 19:59.19 | contrapunctus | jhutchins: I've been looking at it, and I'm afraid not =\ |
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| 19:59.46 | jhutchins | contrapunctus: Dilligent scanning of demesg might help. |
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| 20:01.13 | crazy_dude | thats another fun story, since i changed laptop, i cant see anything in demesg |
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| 20:01.31 | Pavr | it's dmesg? |
| 20:01.36 | Pavr | might be that |
| 20:01.54 | contrapunctus | lol |
| 20:02.10 | jhutchins | crazy_dude: It's a command, not just a log file. YOu wan the actual command output. |
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| 20:04.57 | jhutchins | somiaj: Apologies for apparently ignoring your responses yesterday, I have set +R because of the spam. I thought I would get responses if I had started the query. |
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| 20:07.29 | crazy_dude | i know, but i dont get any output, tried just now and nothing happens |
| 20:08.14 | jhutchins | crazy_dude: What release? |
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| 20:08.50 | jhutchins | !kali |
| 20:08.50 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
| 20:08.55 | crazy_dude | nothing, i type command as root and just go to next line in terminal without any action at all |
| 20:09.03 | crazy_dude | i use newest kali rolling |
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| 20:09.29 | jhutchins | crazy_dude: ... which is not supported here, because they change things and we don't know what. |
| 20:10.07 | crazy_dude | i see, since it is debian based i thought someone might know what is wrong... |
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| 20:10.26 | jhutchins | crazy_dude: For all we know they could have disabled it. |
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| 20:12.30 | crazy_dude | i woould believe that, since last upgrade all went to shit |
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| 20:12.49 | crazy_dude | might be me, my computer, or the distro |
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| 20:14.24 | julius | i got: /etc/rsyslog.d/00-my_iptables.conf with the content: :msg,contains,"[netfilter] " -/var/log/iptables.log after restarting rsyslogd i can see hits on my rule: iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -j LOG --log-prefix="[netfilter]" in iptables -L -v -n, but the logfile isnt created |
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| 20:25.44 | Renovatio | hello theree |
| 20:25.50 | Renovatio | anyone here :) |
| 20:25.55 | Renovatio | I am a fan of debian |
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| 20:26.11 | Renovatio | whazzzupp |
| 20:26.20 | Renovatio | noone answering.... |
| 20:26.28 | greycat | Ask a real question. |
| 20:26.32 | ZeroBeholder | So, I posted this in the PHP channel. I imagine more sysadmins hang out here so I will ask if there is a good way to expose select environment variables to PHP. Currently I'm just having my provisioning script use a HEREDOC, sed, and/or a straight up >> append to drop configuration details where I need them. No big deal to build a server, image it, and redeploy on AWS. No server or instance... |
| 20:26.34 | ZeroBeholder | ...is maintained. |
| 20:26.41 | ZeroBeholder | http://serverfault.com/questions/817925/when-standing-up-a-server-debian-for-instance-what-are-ways-to-make-the-enviro/819608#819608 |
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| 20:27.07 | greycat | What do you mean by "expose selected env vars"? |
| 20:28.20 | ZeroBeholder | I don't necessarily want the a www-data RSA (in a env var against my will) exposed to PHP. So, I can't just give them all to PHP. |
| 20:28.23 | unborn | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60rwfXJyCyg |
| 20:28.30 | unborn | :) for all of us |
| 20:29.02 | Renovatio | ping |
| 20:29.06 | greycat | RSA crypto algorithm... what... |
| 20:29.24 | greycat | What version of Debian are you on, and what problem are you trying to solve? |
| 20:29.37 | missmbob | unborn: please stop spamming the channel. this isnt #debian-offtopic |
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| 20:30.43 | greycat | If the problem you are trying to solve is "I'm on wheezy and root's interactive vars leak into php-fpm when I restart it" then the solution is to upgrade to jessie which uses systemd which starts things via a daemon instead of as a child of the interactive shell. |
| 20:30.49 | unborn | missmbob: I am well aware indeed - sorry to offend you.. its just my rebellious mind - it wont happen ever again. Im sorry for it. are we okay? |
| 20:31.03 | unborn | - you know me in end of the day |
| 20:31.05 | missmbob | unborn: sure |
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| 20:31.18 | unborn | thanks, anyway im sorry |
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| 20:35.30 | ZeroBeholder | Yeah, another machine connects and runs commands as www-data. I think it should be a regular user that can do the same thing, but I need to rip out and replace code from an offshore dev firm before I can do that. What I'm trying to fix is that our details are in the code base. I'd like to move them to a provisioning script. I am perfectly able to set whatever env vars I want via exporting as... |
| 20:35.31 | ZeroBeholder | ...the user that needs it, /etc/environment, & /etc/apache2/envvars. However, in the apache or php-fpm configs I don't think there is a way to make a subset of environment variables available-- say just the database DSN info and the environment variable that holds 'dev' and 'AWS' for instance. |
| 20:35.46 | greycat | What version of Debian are you on? |
| 20:36.04 | ZeroBeholder | Jessie 8.1 sorry. |
| 20:36.25 | greycat | Then when you restart php-fpm it is done via systemd and there is no leakage of the user's interactive environment into the daemon. |
| 20:36.45 | greycat | But go ahead and keep throwing buzzwords that nobody but you understands into a massive wall of text. |
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| 20:37.32 | ZeroBeholder | Right, how do you tell PHP to just pull the value by the env var name? |
| 20:37.40 | greycat | I have no idea what you want. |
| 20:37.46 | ZeroBeholder | Fair enough. |
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| 20:39.09 | jhutchins | ZeroBeholder: phpinfo(); |
| 20:39.29 | ZeroBeholder | The env variable is set in /etc/environment is that still a non-deprecated way of making a variable global like "environment_type=dev" that I want every user and process to have access to. |
| 20:39.50 | greycat | Nothing in /etc/environment should EVER be in a daemon's execution environment under systemd. |
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| 20:40.08 | greycat | /etc/environment is for logins, or anything that uses pam_env.so. |
| 20:40.31 | ZeroBeholder | Well, that is my first faux pas in a likely long line... |
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| 20:42.17 | ZeroBeholder | I think I need to spend some time in Google with 'daemon environment variable'. If you're lucky, I won't be back and thanks for the new direction to chase. If not I'll see you all in a few minutes. |
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| 20:44.46 | missmbob | wow. "spend some time" == "few minutes" ? |
| 20:45.25 | greycat | I suspect he will need more than a few minutes, but I still don't know what problem he wanted to solve. |
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| 20:45.48 | missmbob | i'm totally lost, too |
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| 20:47.34 | jhutchins | Often a good idea to know how something actually works before asking how to change how it works. |
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| 21:00.35 | dashs | How to install :i386 pavkage on an amd64 system? Have multiarch. Have added i386. apt-get does not 'see' the i386 packages. |
| 21:00.46 | greycat | !multiarch |
| 21:00.46 | dpkg | Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>. |
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| 21:09.26 | dashs | thanks greycat |
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| 21:17.08 | irclcv3 | Hello, where do i get the non-gui version of debian ?? |
| 21:17.21 | greycat | Just unselect "desktop" stuff in the installer. |
| 21:17.22 | missmbob | irclcv3: same place you get a gui version. the installer |
| 21:17.50 | missmbob | i really want to punch ubuntu in the face for confusing the fuck out of people with "server edition" |
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| 21:18.18 | irclcv3 | hmmm.. so during installation i unselect the desktop interface ? |
| 21:18.33 | missmbob | desktop enviornment, yes. |
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| 21:20.00 | yokisuci | irclcv3: Install from the Net setup installation :) |
| 21:20.22 | irclcv3 | yokisuci: :| |
| 21:20.32 | irclcv3 | whats the difference, yokisuci ? |
| 21:20.39 | missmbob | irclcv3: you can do it with any edition of the installer |
| 21:20.44 | yokisuci | irclcv3: irclcv3 the net install CD :) |
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| 21:21.02 | toor_ | lol |
| 21:21.03 | yokisuci | missmbob: u cant? I don't remember that you could install debian without GUI when using the Gnome installation DVD |
| 21:21.20 | missmbob | yokisuci: that just changes the default. you certainly can |
| 21:21.50 | yokisuci | missmbob: Oh ok :/ Maybe thats true. Must have missed it. |
| 21:22.07 | at0m | advantage of netinstaller is that you'd only download what you need, in this case, not much graphical. |
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| 21:22.43 | yokisuci | irclcv3: Anyway, try using the net install CD and then you uncheck the desktop environemtn during the installation if it's for some reason is checked. If you want to, you can install a really minimal debian with netinstaller :) |
| 21:23.14 | irclcv3 | yokisuci: yea i want a minimal non-gui |
| 21:23.36 | greycat | When you download an installer that is not the netinst, it just means there are extra (old, stale) packages on the physical medium that you burn. So after installing all those stale packages from the medium, the installer has to upgrade them from security.d.o instead of just installing them from security.d.o. |
| 21:24.00 | irclcv3 | it will be a pain but i will be able to learn bash and command lines faster that way |
| 21:24.09 | greycat | Or, maybe it just ignores the ones on the disc in the first place. |
| 21:25.26 | yokisuci | irclcv3: it's not that hard getting a working installation with debian from a minimal installation. |
| 21:25.50 | yokisuci | or well...e graphical interface with a login manager ^^ |
| 21:25.57 | irclcv3 | yokisuci: i'm referring to dealing with a non-gui OS |
| 21:26.08 | irclcv3 | the installation should be fine |
| 21:26.33 | yokisuci | irclcv3: Yeah? You're gonna set up a server? |
| 21:26.43 | greycat | If you unselect all the desktop environments in the installer, you get a regular console-login Debian. Suitable for a server or to have desktop stuff installed on it later if you wish. |
| 21:26.57 | toor_ | how to use irssi |
| 21:27.13 | irclcv3 | not really, yokisuci |
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| 21:27.26 | irclcv3 | i'm learning command line and bash |
| 21:27.34 | irclcv3 | and i have to learn it fast |
| 21:27.42 | greycat | Then stop talking and start installing. |
| 21:27.55 | yokisuci | irclcv3: Ok :) Well it's still nice with X. Install bspwm then...ir i3 and urxvt terminal |
| 21:27.56 | irclcv3 | grey i'm currently downloading it |
| 21:28.11 | toor_ | irclvcv3 this is a good way to learn it |
| 21:28.12 | toor_ | http://overthewire.org/wargames/bandit/ |
| 21:28.23 | toor_ | youll learn the basics |
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| 21:29.31 | jhutchins | toor_: Have you considered typing irssi into google? |
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| 21:29.57 | toor_ | i figured this out |
| 21:30.01 | toor_ | :) |
| 21:30.19 | krstyan | irssi |
| 21:30.24 | irclcv3 | bspwm then...ir i3 and urxvt terminal, yokisuci what are those ? |
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| 21:31.09 | yokisuci | irclcv3: irclcv3 tiling window managers. |
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| 21:31.57 | krstyan | cya |
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| 21:34.02 | KindOne | E: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/experimental/main/i18n/Translation-en.bz2 Hash Sum mismatch |
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| 21:34.04 | KindOne | http://pastebin.com/raw/Z1dQxUcJ |
| 21:34.05 | KindOne | wat |
| 21:34.33 | greycat | We don't even *think about* supporting experimental. |
| 21:34.47 | irclcv3 | yokisuci: in non-gui mode i can still join irc servers right ? |
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| 21:35.24 | missmbob | irclcv3: of course. irssi is great. i use it even in gui environments |
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| 21:36.12 | KindOne | greycat: meh |
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| 21:36.29 | missmbob | KindOne: you're in debian stable support channel. not even testing/sid one... |
| 21:36.44 | yokisuci | irclcv3: Yeah u can always use irssi. :) But like i said, even thu you plan to use the terminal, i would stil recommend installing some kind of window manager. |
| 21:37.07 | greycat | *sigh* |
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| 21:38.17 | irclcv3 | yokisuci: so after installing the non-gui debian i can just do apt-get install irssi right ? |
| 21:38.29 | greycat | yes. |
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| 21:39.08 | missmbob | irclcv3: you keep asking the wrong person. anyway, read this https://irssi.org/documentation/startup/ |
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| 21:40.10 | at0m | irclcv3: and while you're at it, tmux or screen for multiple and detachable terminal windows |
| 21:40.38 | brian_ | Anyone know what theme the debian installer uses? ill paste a reference pic in the #flood channel |
| 21:41.12 | irclcv3 | at0m: detachable terminal windows in non-gui mode ?? |
| 21:41.19 | brian_ | I would like to use the theme for my XFCE install of Debian Strech |
| 21:41.20 | irclcv3 | that's sounds great |
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| 21:44.30 | brian_ | It seems very close to the murrine-light theme that comes with strech... But i feel like i would enjoy the installer's theme more. |
| 21:44.50 | yokisuci | brian_: I thought it was clearlooks? :/ |
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| 21:45.31 | yokisuci | irclcv3: yeah ofc u can install irssi with apt-get...and other packages as well |
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| 21:46.18 | brian_ | yokiisuci unless theres another version of clearlooks, No? |
| 21:46.36 | brian_ | Someone told me that in the past, But it doesn't match |
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| 21:47.25 | yokisuci | brian_: think there's a few different versions of clearlooks. Btw, havn't used the GUI installer for a while so don't remember really but i thought it was clearlooks but i can be wrong ofc. |
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| 21:47.36 | jhutchins | brian_: Have you asked google? |
| 21:47.55 | brian_ | actually, i didn't think of that, ill try that, Thanks jhutchins |
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| 21:48.09 | brian_ | Also, I posted a picture of clearlooks into #flood |
| 21:48.14 | brian_ | So you can see the difference |
| 21:48.21 | brian_ | (Minus the window theme) |
| 21:49.51 | yokisuci | brian_: #flood? |
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| 21:50.19 | brian_ | yokisuci, yeah, it said to post pasted links into the channel #flood |
| 21:50.22 | brian_ | ? |
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| 21:50.52 | yokisuci | brian_: o i think i did a typo ^^ |
| 21:51.02 | yokisuci | brian_: post if again |
| 21:51.05 | brian_ | yokisuci, ok |
| 21:51.33 | brian_ | yokisuci, there |
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| 21:52.13 | yokisuci | brian_: yeah you're right. that isn't claerlooks. Don't know what theme it is. :/ Did you check that murrine theme? |
| 21:52.33 | brian_ | jhutchins, it didn't give any results... Just the installer, Windows, And some other DE from 2004 |
| 21:53.05 | brian_ | yokisuci, im using it... its very similar, but different colors, scrollbar, and text |
| 21:53.20 | brian_ | yokisuci, and im not sure if it has the same progress bar. |
| 21:53.33 | brian_ | yokisuci, im just really curious why this theme isn't advailible by default. |
| 21:53.33 | yokisuci | =/ |
| 21:54.02 | brian_ | yokisuci, its at least part of the installer and grub menu design... Perhaps they phased it out because it looked too old? |
| 21:54.33 | missmbob | brian_: i've never used the gui installer, but i'm sure the folks who built it know. #debian-boot (on OFTC, not here on freenode) |
| 21:55.09 | brian_ | missmbob, thanks, ill go see if i can ask them. |
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| 21:55.13 | yokisuci | yokel: Clearlooks? :/ I have no idea |
| 21:55.29 | yokisuci | brian_: * |
| 21:55.29 | yokisuci | >.< |
| 21:56.07 | brian_ | i posted another link in the #flood... Wikipedia doesn't even show the red theme version, I think its really the only version... Anyways... Ill be back later |
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| 22:01.13 | brian_ | They say its a custom theme... Im waiting to see if theres anyway to get it easily... Perhaps i might try and recreate it if not. |
| 22:01.24 | LordSama | there is a door |
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| 22:08.14 | brian_ | So appearently the theme is called rootskel-gtk ... And it can be remade into a gtk theme... Im not really sure how to do that, So im off to do some looking around. |
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| 22:22.39 | yokisuci | brian_: Did you find the theme? :) |
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| 22:26.17 | brian_ | yokisuci, yeah, but it has to be modified, and i dont have much knowledge in that... Other than it will probably require some CSS, Which im fine with |
| 22:26.47 | brian_ | yokisuci, ill post it in #flood |
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| 22:28.36 | yokisuci | brian_: oh ok :) |
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| 22:29.46 | yokisuci | anway tbh i thin i'll have to sleep. kinda tiered. Good luck with the theme :) |
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| 22:48.14 | somiaj | jhutchins: that's fine. I'm on my way home but feel free to pm if needed. |
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| 23:53.49 | Richard_Cavell | -/=- |
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