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| 00:02.15 | econdudeawesome | I am back, hapless again :/ |
| 00:04.37 | awal1 | econdudeawesome: what you mean by not working? not working at all, even for move the "mouse pointer" or what? |
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| 00:05.37 | econdudeawesome | correct |
| 00:06.13 | econdudeawesome | awal1: not even showing up in /proc/bus/input/devices |
| 00:08.21 | awal1 | econdudeawesome: do you get any output running synclient ? |
| 00:08.40 | econdudeawesome | im not sure what synclient is |
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| 00:09.47 | econdudeawesome | "Couldn't find synaptics properties. No synaptics drivers loaded? |
| 00:09.48 | econdudeawesome | " |
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| 00:11.05 | econdudeawesome | Hmm, will reboot and try something (UEFI boot instead of Legacy BIOS) |
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| 00:14.59 | sine0 | why do disk wiping software do 3 passes over the drive, wouldnt just a single pass of zeros do the trick, I dont get it |
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| 00:15.25 | sine0 | I have 3 computers from a financial company. the harddrives are still good but I have to get rid of the data |
| 00:15.26 | johnkeates | because magnetic disks can still be read after wiping using special hardware |
| 00:15.59 | sine0 | so even after the sectors are overwritten you can still read what was there before |
| 00:16.10 | johnkeates | magnetic bits aren't 1 or 0, they have somewhere between a maximum and a minimum level of magnetic energy (flux?) |
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| 00:16.46 | johnkeates | if it starts at 0, gets put to -2 and then has to be set to 1 using a pulse that adds 3 it ends up at 1 |
| 00:16.58 | johnkeates | so if you then read that bit and it is 1, you know it was -2 before |
| 00:17.07 | johnkeates | and therefore you know it was not a 1 bit but a 0 bit |
| 00:17.19 | sine0 | ok nice information |
| 00:17.22 | johnkeates | this is a super simplified example, but that's why you do multiple passes |
| 00:17.23 | phogg | sine0: the only way to be sure of no recovery renders the disk unusable, too |
| 00:17.44 | johnkeates | that's why there is some bs called the 'DoD 7-pass wipe' |
| 00:18.18 | johnkeates | for SSD's, it's different since it uses a different storage architecture. they are supposed to wipe data, but internally they are more like a raid disk with a fs on it |
| 00:18.28 | johnkeates | some have secure erase commands |
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| 00:18.37 | phogg | sure for re-using internally, but they destroy disks before throwing them out |
| 00:18.48 | johnkeates | but even then.. you're almost always better off by simply putting HDD's and SSD's in a grinder |
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| 00:19.50 | johnkeates | for internal re-use in something stationary like a server, a simple 1 pass zero will do, handy to kill the bad blocks as well |
| 00:20.07 | johnkeates | but for desktops and laptops, destroying the drive is the only way to actually make sure the previous data never leaves the office |
| 00:20.24 | johnkeates | since laptops and desktops are usually easy to steal compared to servers in a rack in a permanently locked room |
| 00:20.48 | phogg | This is the way I look at it. If no one will die, go to jail or get fired because the data was recovered just zero the bits. In all other cases destroy the disks. |
| 00:20.50 | johnkeates | another way is using full disk encryption (i.e. LUKS) and wiping the keys when you're done |
| 00:21.22 | phogg | johnkeates: even that only protects you until quantum computer brute forcing becomes available |
| 00:21.28 | johnkeates | that is true |
| 00:21.40 | phogg | might be 5 years, might be 50. hard to know |
| 00:21.48 | sine0 | johnkeates: but then you can overwrite it yes ? |
| 00:21.55 | johnkeates | sine0: yes |
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| 00:22.21 | econdudeawesome | Aye, have returned. Mouse is completely missing from xinput |
| 00:22.26 | sine0 | ok so when there is full disk encryption cant you go back to how it was before using the said technique |
| 00:22.40 | johnkeates | sine0: depends on the method used |
| 00:23.09 | sine0 | so whats wrong with the 3 pass method with some randomness |
| 00:23.34 | johnkeates | with fde and off-disk keys, all you'd need to do is destroy the usb drive/chip card / sd card (i.e. burn it, turn it in to powder, microwave it) that had the boot keys on it |
| 00:23.42 | johnkeates | sine0: someone can still get the data |
| 00:24.00 | johnkeates | with 7 passes it's somewhat more guaranteed to be too hard to be feasible |
| 00:24.07 | sine0 | is it theoretical I mean it would be extreme effort right |
| 00:24.10 | johnkeates | with 3 passes, it's going to take a NSA-sized organisation to do it |
| 00:24.18 | johnkeates | it would be hard |
| 00:24.24 | phogg | sine0: 3 passes will probably stop your ex boyfriend from recovering it, but it won't stop a well funded adversary. |
| 00:24.32 | johnkeates | exactly |
| 00:24.48 | phogg | sine0: so you have to know who you are protecting yourself against |
| 00:24.50 | johnkeates | there is no thing such as unbreakable security or perfect wiping of disks |
| 00:24.56 | johnkeates | it's all in varying grades |
| 00:25.20 | johnkeates | crypto is usually measured in strength by taking the expected minimal time it would take to brute force it |
| 00:25.25 | johnkeates | with harddisks, the same could be applied |
| 00:25.32 | phogg | if it's a major government you have to be very careful, if it's merely local police you can be a bit more careless. If it's rival businesses you have to know how much money they can burn getting your data. |
| 00:25.46 | johnkeates | if you want to be sure: turn it into powder |
| 00:25.50 | phogg | if it's your room mate anything will do |
| 00:25.57 | johnkeates | if you want to waste less time/eneger: put it in a disk schredder |
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| 00:26.15 | phogg | degausser is enough... or it was before SSDs, now I don't know |
| 00:26.23 | johnkeates | if you want to make sure normal people won't get data off of it one pass will do |
| 00:26.33 | johnkeates | if you want big money entities to not get data off, 3-5 passes |
| 00:26.44 | johnkeates | if you want government / multinationals not to do it: 7-30 passes |
| 00:26.49 | phogg | johnkeates: if you want to be sure apply thermite and wait till it stops glowing (-; |
| 00:26.53 | johnkeates | hehe |
| 00:27.01 | johnkeates | reminds of of one of the def con talks |
| 00:27.20 | sine0 | you make it sound like everything you have ever done on a computer is still on the harddrive, if that was the case could that not be utilised to expand the storage |
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| 00:27.33 | phogg | sine0: it's not reliable enough |
| 00:27.54 | johnkeates | hard disks and other magnetic media doesn't just 'store data' in ones and zeroes |
| 00:27.58 | phogg | sine0: like I said, if it's not going to get someone killed the amount of effort to read it later is WAY too much to make it worthwhile |
| 00:28.21 | johnkeates | it stores a charge that is supposed to have a level and what that level is makes it a 0 or a 1 within margins, and the margins are the result of changing the bits many times |
| 00:28.38 | johnkeates | if you can calculate how that changing must have happend to get those margins, you know all the previous states |
| 00:29.01 | phogg | think of it as a grid of buckets with varying amounts of water |
| 00:29.08 | phogg | over half full is 1, less is 0 |
| 00:29.19 | phogg | but you want no ambiguity so you never put it close to the half make |
| 00:29.30 | phogg | but you also can't pick a bucket and pour into it or out of it |
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| 00:29.44 | phogg | you have to slosh water over an area and hope for the best |
| 00:29.55 | phogg | or punch the bucket and hope enough splashes out |
| 00:30.17 | phogg | so you can tell from the level of each nearby bucket, and of a given bucket, approximately what values it has had in the past |
| 00:30.21 | sine0 | ok ok |
| 00:30.25 | phogg | they all affect each other |
| 00:30.27 | johnkeates | long story short: harddisks are filled with tiny buckets of water, do a 3-pass on data that isn't going to kill/burn someone if recovered and get back to work |
| 00:30.36 | johnkeates | :p |
| 00:31.13 | phogg | so maybe that "approximately" is enough to reconstruct 80% of the jpeg of you doing something illegal... that might be enough |
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| 00:34.23 | Kobaz | when i have a btrfs raid-1 root, update-grub is making an invalid kernel boot line: http://pastebin.com/iFWBVq8H |
| 00:34.28 | Kobaz | anyone familiar with fixing this? |
| 00:34.36 | Kobaz | (other than manually editing the file of course) |
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| 00:39.01 | zykotick9 | DebianFan8500: personally... i'd stick to getting your image(s) from debian.org... they have torrents as well! |
| 00:39.25 | DebianFan8500 | zykotick9: i know man but for unknown reasons they don't make the bd versions! :D |
| 00:40.03 | DebianFan8500 | zykotick9: today i had some spare time and wanted to try the new sparkling broadband connection.. i can serve up 250 MBit/s in upload |
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| 00:41.39 | eugenmayer1 | any way to preseed a lvm with no FS so i can format it with btrfs later, when btrfs has been installed? |
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| 00:43.11 | gtozzi | satbyy: it works after a reinstall |
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| 00:44.12 | simulated | Has anyone updated a system by migrating packages from the /var/cache/apt/archives from an already up to date system without apt downloading them again? I believe this did work for me before in jessie |
| 00:44.46 | Kobaz | simulated: yeah works fine |
| 00:44.58 | Kobaz | simulated: you might want to consider setting up apt-proxy if you have multiple boxes |
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| 00:46.38 | simulated | Cool thank you. I do remember it working fine. I'll check out apt-proxy also. Not for this channel but I can confirm it does not work in ubuntu |
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| 00:50.08 | phogg | eugenmayer1: you can make an lv without putting a fs on it. Is that what you mean? |
| 00:50.28 | eugenmayer1 | yes, but using preseed was the particular task |
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| 00:57.49 | ImUs3r | how can i connect to wifi with linux command instead of ethenet? |
| 00:58.17 | jasabella | wpasupplicant and dhclient/dhcpcd |
| 00:58.36 | ImUs3r | me jasabella ? |
| 00:58.41 | jasabella | yes, those are the packages you're looking for |
| 00:58.47 | jasabella | dhclient should already be installed |
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| 00:59.03 | jasabella | assuming you have the firmware for your wifi card installed |
| 01:00.33 | ImUs3r | http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/92799/connecting-to-wifi-network-through-command-line <â jasabella this is right? |
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| 01:01.47 | jasabella | depends if your AP is using WEP or WPA |
| 01:01.57 | jasabella | WPA2 is the recommended |
| 01:02.13 | ImUs3r | oh |
| 01:02.26 | ImUs3r | can you give me link? i canât understand it |
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| 01:03.07 | jasabella | # wpa_supplicant -B -i wlp3s0 -D nl80211 -c <(wpa_passphrase SSID password) |
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| 01:03.32 | jasabella | SSID is case sensitive, that establishes a link to the AP |
| 01:03.49 | jasabella | next you get an ip address: dhclient wlp3s0 |
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| 01:04.06 | jasabella | assuming you're using dhcp |
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| 01:04.45 | jasabella | wlp3s0 = my wireless NIC |
| 01:04.51 | jasabella | dont know what yours is |
| 01:04.58 | jasabella | formerly known as wlan0 |
| 01:05.08 | ImUs3r | thanks but it looks diificult. |
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| 01:09.25 | jasabella | this will not work with those APs which requires a browser to 'log in' |
| 01:09.32 | jasabella | i keep a copy of elinks for that :) |
| 01:09.43 | jasabella | just read the manpage for what those options mean |
| 01:09.53 | jasabella | the <() is a shell thing |
| 01:11.01 | jasabella | captive portal |
| 01:11.06 | jasabella | that's the name i'm thinking of |
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| 01:39.13 | satbyy | gtozzi: ð |
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| 01:53.03 | rklopfer | why does 'openjdk-8-source' try to download gnome?? i just want the library sources to link in my ide |
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| 01:56.24 | l4m8d4 | rklopfer: openjdk-8-source depends on openjdk-8-jre, which recommends "Recommends: libgnome-2-0, libgnomevfs2-0, libgconf-2-4, fonts-dejavu-extra" |
| 01:56.37 | ImUs3r | jasabella: how about using nmtui? |
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| 01:57.08 | rklopfer | l4m8d4, is there a way i can get openjdk-8-headless-source? |
| 01:57.21 | rklopfer | or the equivalent |
| 01:58.09 | l4m8d4 | rklopfer: Do you have some desktop installed already? |
| 01:58.31 | rklopfer | l4m8d4, i have i3 installed |
| 01:58.50 | l4m8d4 | rklopfer: Try apt install --no-install-recommends openjdk-8-source |
| 01:59.02 | l4m8d4 | Does that still want to install gnome? |
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| 02:01.58 | rklopfer | l4m8d4, nope! "libatk-wrapper-java libatk-wrapper-java-jni libgif7 openjdk-8-jdk openjdk-8-jre" |
| 02:02.06 | rklopfer | l4m8d4, still more than i expected |
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| 02:04.02 | l4m8d4 | rklopfer: It depends on these things, so you won't be able to keep it from installing these |
| 02:05.50 | rklopfer | l4m8d4, interesting... i guess that it is giving me everything i need to _compile_ java |
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| 02:10.26 | l4m8d4 | rklopfer: If you face such problems again, you can use "apt-cache show <pkg> to inspect dependencies and other things, and apt install --no-install-recommends and --no-install-suggests to modify apt behaviour |
| 02:11.19 | rklopfer | l4m8d4, thanks! i will keep that in mind. most of the time i want those packages |
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| 02:11.38 | ImUs3r | jasabella: how about using nmtui-connect? |
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| 02:34.11 | anon136 | Hello. I am attempting to install debian and getting a warning "missing firmware files iwlwifi-7260-9.ucode iwlwifi-7260-8.ucode" It says I can put these drivers on "removable media such as usb stick" and then "load missing firmware from removable media yes". I have done this. I located these files and put them on removable media but when I instert it and press "yes" it just brings the same dialogue box up |
| 02:34.17 | anon136 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:36.08 | l4m8d4 | anon136: Do you need to install them for the installer to go on? |
| 02:36.44 | anon136 | l4m8d4: no I can do a minimal install without the drivers. |
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| 02:37.43 | anon136 | Im sure I could get them installed from inside the os and then manually download the missing packages, but I would still be curious what the heck it wanted from me back here durring the install. |
| 02:38.24 | anon136 | what do you want from me debian!? im following your instructions EXACTLY. |
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| 02:39.03 | l4m8d4 | anon136: Well I don't know either in this case, I would do a minimal install and try to install the firmware from the OS |
| 02:39.18 | l4m8d4 | Maybe you can just install some firmware packages and be fine from the OS |
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| 02:40.52 | anon136 | sorry l4m8d4 my rpi powered down. i missed what you said. |
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| 02:41.31 | l4m8d4 | â03:39:03 l4m8d4 | anon136: Well I don't know either in this case, I would do a minimal install and try to install the firmware from â AkQ |
| 02:41.32 | l4m8d4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:41.34 | l4m8d4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:41.51 | l4m8d4 | That's it |
| 02:42.02 | anon136 | allright ill give it a try |
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| 02:44.16 | anon136 | maybe it doesnt like the gpt partition table on the drive i used |
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| 02:47.09 | awal1 | !firmware |
| 02:47.09 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
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| 02:48.22 | awal1 | anon: an easy way: use use unofficial image |
| 02:48.36 | awal1 | aanon136 |
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| 02:50.17 | th0r | anon136: I think the install wants the iwlwifi deb file, not the individual files |
| 02:50.19 | awal1 | 1firmware image |
| 02:50.31 | awal1 | !firmware image |
| 02:50.31 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
| 02:51.00 | anon136 | maybe just unpack the whole archive that it came in right onto the root directory of the drive? |
| 02:51.28 | l4m8d4 | anon136: Debian has support for your card I think https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
| 02:51.36 | awal1 | anon136: see above for your missing firmwware |
| 02:51.51 | l4m8d4 | I would do a minimal install an then just apt install firmware-iwlwifi |
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| 02:54.26 | awal1 | anon136: the unofficial cd contains all non free stuff |
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| 02:54.58 | anon136 | you guys have given me a lot of different potential approaches. surely atleast one of them will get the job done. thanks |
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| 02:55.43 | awal1 | easiest and fast unofficial cd |
| 02:57.12 | anon136 | awal1: its not too unofficial or no one would use it, so its sort of like the official unofficial cd XD |
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| 02:58.00 | awal1 | yeah |
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| 03:01.58 | anon136 | so if you dont mind me asking. why did you guys chose debian over another distro? |
| 03:02.29 | l4m8d4 | apt and the debian repos |
| 03:02.45 | anon136 | choose* |
| 03:03.23 | l4m8d4 | If I would choose again today maybe I would use arch, but I already bought into debian too much you know :D |
| 03:03.58 | anon136 | l4m8d4: I've been messing around with arch over the last few days. It was a nightmare. |
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| 03:05.11 | anon136 | l4m8d4: it seemed like every single little thing that I tried to do required fiddling to get it to work and I never did get chromium to work. |
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| 03:05.48 | l4m8d4 | I didn't try arch yet because strangely the instller kernel didn't work on my machine, despite being the correct architecture |
| 03:06.04 | DrLuly | hello |
| 03:06.47 | anon136 | l4m8d4: exactly what im talking about, in my short experience EVERYTHING is like that |
| 03:07.18 | kur0 | l4mbd4: comming from arch... I love the stability |
| 03:09.30 | l4m8d4 | kur0: from arch or from debian? |
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| 03:10.47 | kur0 | yeah. I wasnt very clear (4AM here). used arch for like 4 years. debian's stability wins over all that arch effort |
| 03:12.16 | l4m8d4 | kur0: Okay, well I could guess that one but wanted to be sure :D |
| 03:13.14 | l4m8d4 | Yeah I am using debian testing, so the oldness is not to bad, but it's still pretty stable if you are using apt-listbugs and not install every single update blindly |
| 03:13.24 | l4m8d4 | *too |
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| 03:15.16 | kur0 | about how old are the packages? |
| 03:16.50 | l4m8d4 | ,v linux |
| 03:16.51 | judd | No package named 'linux' was found in amd64. |
| 03:17.10 | l4m8d4 | ,v linux-image-amd64 |
| 03:17.11 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.16+63~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.16+63; jessie-backports: 4.7+75~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.8+76; sid: 4.8+77 |
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| 03:17.26 | l4m8d4 | ,v gnome |
| 03:17.27 | judd | Package: gnome on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:3.4+7+deb7u1; jessie: 1:3.14+3; stretch: 1:3.20+2; sid: 1:3.20+2 |
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| 03:17.49 | l4m8d4 | You see it's pretty up to date at the moment |
| 03:18.12 | kur0 | yeah. compared to arch it is |
| 03:19.07 | kur0 | arch is @ 4.8.12-3 |
| 03:19.40 | l4m8d4 | kur0: and gnome? |
| 03:19.47 | snxy | Is there normally an audio settings "control panel" after a fresh install? |
| 03:20.05 | l4m8d4 | snxy: What desktop? Gnome? |
| 03:20.12 | snxy | xfce |
| 03:20.53 | l4m8d4 | snxy: I am on xfce and I don't see a sound settings menu |
| 03:20.55 | kur0 | package gnome-desktop is @ 1:3.22.2-1 |
| 03:21.15 | l4m8d4 | kur0: Ah well, but at least testing is not too old with 2.30 |
| 03:21.21 | l4m8d4 | 3.20* |
| 03:21.38 | snxy | I have intermittent sound, and the pulse audio control, but not sure what's going wrong with sound. |
| 03:22.13 | kur0 | l4m8d4: some quick patches maybe? dunno |
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| 03:23.17 | l4m8d4 | snxy: I have the pulse audio one too. I don't think xfce has more dedicated sound stuff though |
| 03:23.24 | l4m8d4 | snxy: What's wrong with your sound? |
| 03:23.37 | snxy | k, thanks |
| 03:23.45 | snxy | not getting any sound from orage |
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| 03:25.15 | l4m8d4 | snxy: But in general sound works? |
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| 03:25.22 | snxy | yeah |
| 03:26.29 | snxy | Found out that I have an intel sound chipset that's relatively new, but not sure why it would be intermittent, rather than completely dead. |
| 03:27.49 | l4m8d4 | Sounds strange, so in general the sound is intermittent and no sound at all from orage? |
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| 03:28.35 | snxy | no, the no sound from orage is the intermittency. In general, it's fine. |
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| 03:32.19 | snxy | and I don't find any sound settings related to orage in it's prefs or in the pulse audo control |
| 03:32.47 | snxy | beyond that, I'm thinking it's dark magic |
| 03:32.47 | anon136 | sure you arent way over thinking it? do you have a cat? look for chew marks? |
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| 03:33.50 | snxy | <shrug> perhaps |
| 03:34.07 | suboptimal90 | headphones failing? |
| 03:34.31 | snxy | I haven't used any lately, so I don't know if I own any that work. |
| 03:35.25 | l4m8d4 | maybe orage settings messed up? |
| 03:36.13 | snxy | ooh, found something that's a possibility |
| 03:36.21 | snxy | testing... |
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| 03:36.56 | snxy | I hate these pulse audio toggle buttons/icons--hard to tell if they're on or off. |
| 03:37.45 | anon136 | yea i try to stay away from all from all of that stuff myself, simple window manager like i3 and zsh is all one needs. |
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| 03:38.41 | snxy | I used to use zsh for a while years ago, but never really tried an alternate wm |
| 03:39.01 | snxy | I like desktop world, for the most part, except it's overkill. |
| 03:39.41 | anon136 | look up a youtube video of i3, it sort of like what vim does for text editing, it does for over all workflow |
| 03:40.14 | snxy | cool, I'll take a look. |
| 03:40.31 | anon136 | i gotta restart |
| 03:40.34 | snxy | I'm trying to pimp out my workflow. |
| 03:41.23 | snxy | Was impressed with acme editor the other day (normally use gvim), but I'm using a touchpad, so the mouse integration is a killer. |
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| 03:48.45 | snxy | ah shoot, think I've figured it out. |
| 03:48.53 | anon136 | do tell |
| 03:49.33 | snxy | didn't realize orage is set to call "play" at the command line, which isn't installed for some reason. |
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| 03:50.19 | snxy | and it is apparently failing silently. |
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| 03:50.58 | snxy | anyone know what package play is in? |
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| 03:52.41 | anon136 | SoX it looks like |
| 03:53.38 | anon136 | aka Sound eXchange |
| 03:53.47 | snxy | cool, now for the confirmation |
| 03:54.14 | l4m8d4 | At the moment I have a 32 bit kernel installed, but I want a 64 bit one. Can I just install linux-image-amd64 and be fine? What about firmware-linux? Will that be compatible, being 32 bit still? |
| 03:54.36 | brizz | what is a good disk usage visualizer/maybe cleanup tool preferably in kde? |
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| 03:58.14 | snxy | Sound! |
| 03:58.18 | snxy | Thanks all! |
| 03:58.37 | anon136 | snxy: well played. nice sleuthing. |
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| 03:59.20 | snxy | ty. Eventually, I'll reboot an take next swing at restoring my synaptics touchpad settings |
| 03:59.44 | brizz | going with https://tuxdiary.com/2016/02/19/qdirstat/ |
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| 04:16.26 | johnkeates | where does switch_root expect root to be mounted? |
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| 04:23.21 | jhutchins | johnkeates: According to the man page, wherever the command is told to switch to. |
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| 04:23.44 | johnkeates | i read that, it wasn't helpful. :p |
| 04:24.08 | johnkeates | basically, what i want is while i'm in initramfs, to load a module, mount the actual rootfs in the right place and exit, to let the scripts take over again |
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| 04:30.39 | snxy | anon136: really liking i3! Seems to be exactly what I've been looking for! |
| 04:31.20 | snxy | Now I just have to figure out how to integrate all my custom windows into something serviceable for it. |
| 04:32.22 | snxy | custom windows=menus |
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| 04:35.40 | anon136 | snxy: glad I could be of service. :) |
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| 04:36.53 | sh00p | which channel for casual debian chat? |
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| 04:37.24 | han-solo | #debian-offtopics |
| 04:37.28 | han-solo | :} |
| 04:37.43 | sh00p | that's awfully empty han-solo :( |
| 04:38.03 | han-solo | #debian-offtopic |
| 04:38.12 | sh00p | ah thx |
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| 05:06.57 | Resilience | mmm debina off-topic, what channel do I have to go for asking how to change my password? |
| 05:07.26 | han-solo | :/ |
| 05:07.31 | sh00p | Resilience: the command you are looking for is passwd |
| 05:07.57 | sh00p | this is important command |
| 05:07.59 | Resilience | sh00p, thanks |
| 05:08.12 | sh00p | np <3 |
| 05:08.14 | Resilience | sh00p, ah, not in debian, in freenode :) |
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| 05:08.29 | han-solo | #freenode |
| 05:08.32 | sh00p | oh lol, /msg nickserv help |
| 05:08.37 | Resilience | I know how to change the pass in my debian machines, I need to kow how can I change the password for my nick xD |
| 05:08.44 | Resilience | ah ok, thanksk again |
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| 05:12.15 | mnuhmnuh | i did /join #debian-next; why am i in #debian? |
| 05:13.10 | dvs | in OFTC |
| 05:14.18 | han-solo | dpkg debian-next > mnuhmnuh |
| 05:14.18 | dpkg | > mnuhmnuh: #debian-next is a channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net). |
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| 05:15.53 | mnuhmnuh | han-solo: i'm running testing, connected on oftc, or that's what connect messages say. |
| 05:18.22 | mnuhmnuh | han-solo: /server says irc.debian.org and irc.freenode.net |
| 05:18.44 | han-solo | it's on irc.oftc.net |
| 05:19.18 | mnuhmnuh | han-solo: will try again. thanks. |
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| 05:23.25 | gerforce | muggahtee: /connect irc.oftc.net then /join #debian-next |
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| 05:31.03 | Guest53510 | what is meant by `sys_domain` and `sys_hostname` |
| 05:31.29 | johnkeates | domain: poop.com ; hostname: banana: FQDN: banana.poop.com |
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| 05:31.45 | Guest53510 | thank you |
| 05:32.01 | johnkeates | basically, they are all just part of naming and adressing |
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| 06:32.05 | pingfloyd | and domain name can be further broken down: poop: 2nd level domain - com: TLD |
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| 06:33.23 | anon136 | I HAVE INTERNET |
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| 06:40.00 | fuddie | yes you do, congrats anon |
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| 06:40.35 | ImUs3r | linux donât show me wireless connection. |
| 06:40.37 | ImUs3r | :( |
| 06:40.43 | ImUs3r | whatâs wrong? |
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| 06:41.07 | swatchel | hi all |
| 06:41.17 | han-solo | have you installed the drivers properly? |
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| 06:41.44 | ImUs3r | wireless interface driver? |
| 06:41.59 | ImUs3r | lol thanks han-solo :) |
| 06:42.07 | swatchel | Can somebody help? |
| 06:42.27 | swatchel | Can somebody help me? |
| 06:43.33 | fuddie | with what swatchel? |
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| 06:43.44 | han-solo | !ask |
| 06:43.45 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 08:20.48 | LadyinRed | WE, Will Destroy The Fake Media! https://youtu.be/_sW874V1juU |
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| 08:25.39 | MauvE | <--- Loves corporate media. Kek! |
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| 08:32.24 | MauvE | True Meditation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcajfG8kotc |
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| 08:41.30 | yskapell | Hi all |
| 08:42.05 | baraba | hi |
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| 08:48.12 | yskapell | Is any repo to install wine on debian stable? |
| 08:48.53 | bazhang | ,v wine |
| 08:48.54 | judd | Package: wine on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.4.1-4; jessie: 1.6.2-20; jessie-backports: 1.8.5-1~bpo8+1; sid: 1.8.5-1; stretch: 1.8.5-1 |
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| 08:54.42 | mtn` | Hey, bit of a newbie question if anybody can help. I want to install a file from the .sh, so I've downloaded it and run chmod +x. When I run it, it fails. In the .sh file, there are a bunch of weird nonascii characters. Is there something I need to do to get this working? |
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| 08:56.35 | han-solo | remove the nonascii characters |
| 08:56.58 | mtn` | What if the majority of the file is non-ascii. Is that a sign that something is going wrong with the download? |
| 08:57.27 | mtn` | han-solo, I'm downloading unity from here: https://forum.unity3d.com/threads/unity-on-linux-release-notes-and-known-issues.350256/ |
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| 08:57.39 | mtn` | han-solo, Last post on the page, sh |
| 08:57.53 | han-solo | i can't do much of the webbrowsing now, sorry |
| 08:58.12 | han-solo | bash show the error lines |
| 08:58.16 | han-solo | or ask in #bash |
| 08:58.38 | mtn` | han-solo, Ok, no worries. Do I need to use the sha checksum or anything? These are probably very dumb questions |
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| 09:26.22 | aZz7eCh | hi guys. have a persistent problem for weeks now.. out of no where after 2+ years as my sole desktop ... every time i reboot, bluetooth is GONE.... ergo, CANT FRACKIN login ... :( have to find a corded keyboard every time. if i run sudo systemctl start bluetooth.service once i'm in, bluetooth starts running again, however i have to turn my keyboard back on manually .... this makes adding the same command to system startup pointless also ..... a |
| 09:26.22 | aZz7eCh | nyone suggest wtH has happened to my system? |
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| 09:27.56 | aZz7eCh | this has never been a problem in 2+ years until a few weeks ago |
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| 09:33.31 | aZz7eCh | also ... its calling it foobar instead of debian ....WHY i have NO idea |
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| 09:34.58 | nkuttler | aZz7eCh: it? |
| 09:35.09 | aZz7eCh | ? |
| 09:35.18 | nkuttler | who is calling what foobar |
| 09:35.39 | aZz7eCh | sorry - gnome3, when i run the service start commandin a terminal, my settings > bluetooth settings then show up |
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| 09:36.02 | aZz7eCh | in that dialog, bluetooth should be visible as my machine,Debian.... not whatever "foobar" suddenly is |
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| 09:38.46 | nkuttler | aZz7eCh: i don't use gnome, but check your /var/log/dpkg.log to see if a packaged changed when this behavior started |
| 09:39.17 | aZz7eCh | i haven't update or installed any thing in .... 6 months ? |
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| 09:40.51 | nkuttler | aZz7eCh: see also /var/log/messages or other appropriate logs |
| 09:40.53 | aZz7eCh | hmm. unless something inside playonlinux has done something |
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| 09:45.59 | aexl | hi. anybody using chromium on amazon? |
| 09:46.55 | aexl | it says there's no https page. if i proceed unsafe it shows amazon as a basic site without scripts and images ... |
| 09:46.58 | aZz7eCh | okay so once i run sudo systemctl start bluetooth.service ... it actually shows my machine (discoverable bluetooth device name) "BlueZ 5.23" .... WHICH, appears to be debian team bluetooth stuff ... it always use to be Debian tho without question! is this any hint !?!? |
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| 09:49.31 | satbyy | aexl: is it chrome or chromium? |
| 09:49.41 | satbyy | ah sorry, chromium you said |
| 09:49.44 | aZz7eCh | this is my bluetoothctl details: http://hastebin.com/upihibovic.rb and yet, these are NOT reflected in gnome settings |
| 09:50.01 | aexl | aZz7eCh: it's Version 53.0.2785.89 Built on 8.5, running on Debian 8.6 (64-bit) from debian 8.6 torrent file |
| 09:50.12 | aexl | chromium-browser |
| 09:51.35 | satbyy | have you installed ca-certificates package? |
| 09:52.41 | aexl | satbyy: yes version 20141019+deb8u1 *blush* |
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| 09:56.12 | n4dir | debian probably does "update-ca-certificates " automatically, but perhaps it's worth a try |
| 09:56.35 | n4dir | if it was me i would try to access it with a different web-browser |
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| 09:58.58 | aexl | n4dir: it looks okay with firefox but i can't watch videos with that one. |
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| 09:59.31 | n4dir | ah, you did already. sorry for pointing out the obvious. |
| 09:59.52 | n4dir | the pleasure of the modern web ... .sigh .... :-) |
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| 10:00.59 | aexl | it looks better after "update ca-certificates" but still on non-https page. what do i need to do for a reset of the browser? |
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| 10:02.26 | n4dir | for example firefox has the option to start with a new profile (firefox -P). chromium/chrome probably too. Else i usually do "mv .~mozila mozilla_backup" |
| 10:02.46 | n4dir | cleaning the cache too ? |
| 10:03.07 | aexl | ~/.cache/chromium? |
| 10:03.44 | aexl | there's "chromium --temp-profile" |
| 10:03.44 | n4dir | usually there is an option in the menu-panel. .cache/chromium? Well : probably. |
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| 10:04.01 | n4dir | i del all of .cache regularly. |
| 10:04.34 | aexl | it still says that there's no https page of amazon ... ??? |
| 10:04.55 | n4dir | oh, don't get me wrong: i am just shooting some loose ideas. |
| 10:05.15 | aexl | sure. do you get the https page with chromium? |
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| 10:06.20 | n4dir | i ain't got it installed |
| 10:07.09 | n4dir | on debian i would quickly install it, but am not on Debian right now, sorry |
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| 10:08.20 | aexl | on #debian.de someone suggested that it might be a "network problem" ...? but as i said it looks good on firefox. and i get the https page. |
| 10:08.42 | aexl | np n4dir thanks anyway |
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| 10:12.22 | nkaopq | Recently I 've got my first SSD installed on my relatively old system. I created 2 partitions: 1 ext4 for Linux and 1 ntfs for windows. Today as I run that dd if=/dev/zero of=test bs=64k count=16k conv=fdatasync on both partitions inside Linux I noticed a large difference between the 2 results. The ntfs partition showed speeds about half than the Ubuntu one. Is there a reason for that? |
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| 10:12.45 | nkaopq | Inside Windows, running CrystalDiskMark and AS-SSD the ntfs partition has normal speeds. |
| 10:12.54 | bazhang | nkaopq, how does this relate to debian |
| 10:14.10 | nkaopq | Is my question too irrelevant in your opinion? |
| 10:14.21 | bazhang | offtopic |
| 10:14.23 | nkaopq | Debian has nothing to do with Linux and/or Ubuntu? |
| 10:14.37 | bazhang | plus you are already posting in the ubuntu channel |
| 10:15.00 | bazhang | nkaopq, they only do debian support here |
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| 10:16.17 | n4dir | once at it: https://wiki.debian.org/TheFable |
| 10:16.48 | nkaopq | I 've got a problem/question. Posting to as many/different people in order to troubleshoot I think its a good reason. As far as the offtopic issue, I think it isn't, but anyway thanks for your insight. |
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| 10:17.42 | bazhang | nkaopq, cross posting is not supported, nor is ubuntu here |
| 10:17.59 | nkaopq | okay, I am sorry then for posting that here. Thanks again |
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| 10:34.43 | eng | hello ? |
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| 10:36.34 | aexl | yo |
| 10:36.55 | aexl | although it's ubuntu this is relevant to me http://askubuntu.com/questions/849443/chromium-not-displaying-some-web-pages-correctly |
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| 10:38.38 | strk | do you know why Telegram desktop client isn't packaged ? https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop |
| 10:38.41 | strk | it's GPL3 |
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| 10:43.17 | aexl | strk: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=767418 |
| 10:43.18 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/767418 in wnpp (open, upstream): «RFP: telegram -- desktop client for the telegram messaging»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2014-10-30; last modified: 2016-03-16. |
| 10:43.35 | eng | i have a problem cant apt-get update because cant fetch to mirror url , can someone help me? |
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| 10:44.31 | aexl | eng: did you try to change the mirror? |
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| 10:47.01 | eng | aexl : how to change it ? |
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| 10:49.16 | aexl | what package manager do you use? |
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| 10:51.57 | strk | aexl: FWIW the OpenSSL licensing thing seems to be fixed now (an exception was added to the LICENSE file) -- the security concerns do remain ofc, but as mentioned by someone else in the thread, dropping appropriate WARNINGs might suffice |
| 10:52.27 | renka | aexl zzrot/alpine-caddy:latest |
| 10:52.40 | strk | having a kontalk package would be also nice, btw :) -- https://github.com/kontalk/desktopclient-java |
| 10:52.40 | renka | oops |
| 10:52.42 | renka | wrong chat |
| 10:52.43 | renka | sorry |
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| 10:53.00 | oaps | hello! |
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| 10:53.16 | aexl | strk: i'm no dev so fight with them. ;) |
| 10:53.22 | oaps | what is the best way to disable the touchpad when i plug in a mouse, and enable it again when i plug it out? |
| 10:53.34 | aexl | renka: did you still meant to talk to me? |
| 10:53.40 | renka | nono sorry :) |
| 10:53.42 | aexl | oaps: hi |
| 10:53.48 | aexl | renka: np |
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| 10:54.45 | aexl | strk: i guess writing a bug and in mailinglist would be the best way. ;) |
| 10:55.04 | oaps | (using xfce4) |
| 10:55.37 | aexl | oaps: xorg.conf? |
| 10:56.48 | eng | aexl Err http://mirror.unej.ac.id/debian/ jessie/main netselect amd64 0.3.ds1-26 Temporary failure resolving 'mirror.unej.ac.id |
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| 10:57.19 | aexl | eng: who set this up? |
| 10:57.43 | aexl | eng: who choose your mirror? |
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| 11:00.21 | eng | aexl me, i though select local mirror get reliable speed to update but i was wrong after some update at first and then get "error" |
| 11:00.47 | swatchel | Guys help, gathered on the image based on Debian ltsp 8 (Jessi) works with keyboards start, and the mouse is not - tell me what can be? |
| 11:01.36 | aexl | eng: so you selected this on install? |
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| 11:02.08 | aexl | swatchel: is your mouse led on? |
| 11:02.16 | iamawesome | Hi, is zfs available during debian installation? |
| 11:02.22 | iamawesome | I use ext4 normally. |
| 11:02.28 | eng | aexl : yes ,should i instal it again? |
| 11:03.37 | swatchel | no,you not selected this on instal |
| 11:03.48 | aexl | eng: no no. there are easier ways to change the mirror. |
| 11:04.15 | aexl | eng: do you use a package manager? synaptic? |
| 11:04.30 | swatchel | apt |
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| 11:05.18 | eng | aexl ; you mean apt-get ? |
| 11:05.19 | aexl | swatchel: i'm talking to eng |
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| 11:06.00 | aexl | eng: no. look at your menu for package or software manager |
| 11:06.11 | swatchel | yes, apt-get |
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| 11:07.13 | aexl | eng: on gnome it "Software & Updates" or "Synaptic Package Manager" |
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| 11:10.49 | eng | aexl : sorry but fyi i installed this server on lvl 1 there is no UI afterall |
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| 11:11.16 | eng | swatchel : yes thanks |
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| 11:12.14 | aexl | eng: okay. you can change it in sources.list. |
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| 11:23.12 | aexl | eng: do you still need help? |
| 11:24.25 | nutshell | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:26.01 | eng | aexl : i cant find /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 11:26.50 | nutshell | eng its debian without ui? |
| 11:27.08 | swatchel | help me |
| 11:27.31 | aexl | swatchel: is your mouse led on? |
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| 11:28.47 | swatchel | yes |
| 11:28.51 | jelly | dpkg, tell eng about jessie sources.list |
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| 11:30.05 | aexl | yes tell us. for me it's still /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 11:31.13 | han-solo | dpkg tell eng about sources.list |
| 11:31.17 | psiforce | hi all.... anyone using debian jessie debs for zfs as root? |
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| 11:31.31 | han-solo | er |
| 11:31.39 | psiforce | my issue is, I think with grub... |
| 11:31.51 | han-solo | eng : sorry |
| 11:31.52 | psiforce | I have "/vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-amd64 root=ZFS=san-rpool/ROOT ro boot=zfs rpool=san-rpool" |
| 11:32.13 | psiforce | this used to work with the debs supplied from archive.zfsonlinux.org |
| 11:32.24 | psiforce | but using the debian ones, it then says it can't find root |
| 11:32.31 | jelly | 3.2 does not sound like a kernel based on a jessie kernel |
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| 11:33.31 | psiforce | jelly: sorry that should be 3.16.0-4 |
| 11:33.32 | eng | thanks guys ill try it |
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| 11:33.50 | jelly | psiforce: I don't think debian's default kernels have zfs support, you probably still need to use ZoL |
| 11:34.49 | psiforce | jelly: apt-get install -t jessie-backports zfs-dkms |
| 11:35.02 | jelly | ,v fs-dkms |
| 11:35.03 | judd | No package named 'fs-dkms' was found in amd64. |
| 11:35.04 | jelly | ,v fs-dkms |
| 11:35.06 | judd | No package named 'fs-dkms' was found in amd64. |
| 11:35.07 | jelly | ,v zfs-dkms |
| 11:35.08 | judd | Package: zfs-dkms on amd64 -- jessie-backports/contrib: 0.6.5.8-1~bpo8+1; sid/contrib: 0.6.5.8-1; stretch/contrib: 0.6.5.8-1 |
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| 11:35.20 | aexl | ;v zfs-fuse |
| 11:35.25 | jelly | psiforce: did those build successfully? |
| 11:35.27 | aexl | ,v zfs-fuse |
| 11:35.28 | judd | Package: zfs-fuse on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.7.0-8; jessie: 0.7.0-12; stretch: 0.7.0-16; sid: 0.7.0-16 |
| 11:35.49 | psiforce | zfsonlinux no longer maintain debs and it was moved to jessie-backports |
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| 11:36.46 | psiforce | jelly: yes and the zfs.ko and other modules are in the initramfs |
| 11:37.16 | psiforce | if I drop the "ZFS=" part from the root definition it gets a little further |
| 11:37.21 | psiforce | but dies |
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| 11:37.42 | psiforce | well kernel panics saying: "/init: line 223: expression recursion loop detected" |
| 11:38.05 | psiforce | line 223 in /init reads: parse_numeric ${ROOT} |
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| 11:39.32 | bibek22 | hiii everyone |
| 11:39.56 | bibek22 | how do i find and select the fastest mirrror for package repo |
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| 11:40.41 | jelly | psiforce: hard to say what's going on without looking at the whole initramfs image. I bet the #zfsonlinux channel will still be better equipped to deal with your question |
| 11:41.21 | psiforce | jelly: initally posted it there... but they didn't have any ideas |
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| 11:41.48 | jelly | !debug initramfs |
| 11:41.49 | dpkg | from memory, initramfsdebug is http://wiki.debian.org/InitramfsDebug |
| 11:42.24 | Putti | bibek22, fastest â not sure, but usually if you select something that is in your country it is pretty fast. If I remember right, there is also the debian.net site that can be used to find the fastest mirror |
| 11:42.43 | bibek22 | Putti: well, i live in Nepal :D:D |
| 11:42.44 | jelly | perhaps you can figure out what parse_numeric is supposed to do, and what $ROOT value is supposed to be at that point |
| 11:43.44 | jelly | bibek22: if unsure, try using the redirector service, read /msg dpkg jessie sources.list |
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| 11:44.08 | aexl | bibek22: netselect |
| 11:44.39 | aexl | bibek22: or read here http://ftp.debian.net/mirror/list |
| 11:45.18 | psiforce | jelly: yes definately looks like there is an issue with debians init in handling zfs paths |
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| 11:46.11 | n4dir | psiforce: not sure if looking at debian kFreeBSD wiki.debian.org or asking in the according IRC channel might be of help to you |
| 11:46.44 | swatchel | Guys help, gathered on the image based on Debian ltsp 8 (Jessi) works with keyboards start, and the mouse is not - tell me what can be? |
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| 11:48.25 | jasabella | is it a usb mouse? does it show up with lsusb? |
| 11:48.40 | shinytop | fuck you crooked nigger dick suckin thieving, girl murdering trash...you sons of bitches need to hang and the sooner the better. |
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| 11:49.09 | shinytop | fuck you up your crooked nigger dick suckin asses...you goddamn thieving murdering trash |
| 11:49.20 | jasabella | how delightful |
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| 11:50.41 | swatchel | !op |
| 11:50.50 | jelly | swatchel: already dealt with |
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| 11:51.56 | aexl | swatchel: is your mouse led on? |
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| 11:52.09 | swatchel | yes |
| 11:52.26 | julius | i got a weird problem with rsyslog, when i place my filter/action in /etc/rsyslog.d/myiptables.conf it does not work, when i put it on top of the ruleset in rsyslog.conf it does work...why? theres not a & ~ line in the default debian rsyslog.conf that would eat up error messages? |
| 11:53.05 | julius | jelly, thanks for kicking the guy a few minutes ago |
| 11:53.51 | jasabella | guess they just wanted help with their mouse from 'guys' |
| 11:53.56 | aexl | swatchel: what does dmesg say when you plug in your mouse? |
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| 12:00.59 | swatchel | aexl: Does not say anything . Just do not move all |
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| 12:01.29 | swatchel | Tried different mouse |
| 12:01.31 | aexl | swatchel: neither does lsusb? then it won't work i'm afraid |
| 12:01.44 | aexl | swatchel: or different usb port? |
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| 12:02.42 | swatchel | yes, or different usb port |
| 12:02.58 | jasabella | port on different hub? |
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| 12:03.55 | jasabella | does it work on a different computer even? |
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| 12:05.04 | swatchel | es, or different usb port, or different mouse |
| 12:06.00 | swatchel | I use a virtual machine |
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| 12:06.05 | aexl | swatchel: maybe something went wrong in the installation. else i'm out of guesses. |
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| 12:06.12 | aexl | swatchel: dang. why you say this now? |
| 12:07.24 | Rephlexie | legacy usb bios toggle? |
| 12:07.27 | swatchel | I say that already tried different versions, and even on a virtual machine |
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| 12:07.35 | Rephlexie | doh vm, nm |
| 12:08.05 | aexl | anyway. which virtual machine? |
| 12:08.44 | swatchel | virtualbox |
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| 12:12.25 | aexl | swatchel: ctrl + i? |
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| 12:13.06 | aexl | else try #virtualbox |
| 12:13.43 | swatchel | You mean a list of all commands? Why would he? |
| 12:14.08 | aexl | swatchel: join #virtualbox and try to ask there. |
| 12:14.25 | swatchel | virtualbox to do with |
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| 12:14.55 | aexl | swatchel: if debian doesn't even recognize the hardware it surely is a "virtual" problem |
| 12:15.04 | aexl | virtualization problem |
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| 12:17.26 | swatchel | As I said, I tried different options and on a laptop computer and a virtual machine - the problem is the same as the mouse does not work. And then the problem is virtual? |
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| 12:18.13 | aexl | if you can't tell me what dmesg or lsusb are telling you then i can't help you. |
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| 12:20.50 | jelly | swatchel: do you have X (graphical interface) running or just the text console? You have to install "gpm" to get mouse support in console |
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| 12:21.58 | swatchel | you have X |
| 12:22.10 | swatchel | i have X |
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| 12:24.43 | swatchel | aexl: On a personal channel posted a link |
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| 12:27.53 | jelly | also, |
| 12:27.54 | jelly | !ru |
| 12:27.55 | dpkg | ÐÑо английÑкоговоÑÑÑий канал, пожалÑйÑÑа, говоÑиÑе по-английÑки или поÑеÑиÑе #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
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| 12:41.34 | DebianUser5465 | can someone help me check the speed of this torrent and seed: linuxtracker.org/index.php?page=torrent-details&id=ecdef077a2f9954971f03ff7669af7f6a8171e02 |
| 12:41.54 | DebianUser5465 | http://linuxtracker.org/index.php?page=torrent-details&id=ecdef077a2f9954971f03ff7669af7f6a8171e02 |
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| 12:43.48 | OerHeks | DebianUser5465, useless to ask others, seeds: 4, leechers: 2 = 6 peers , so it is active |
| 12:43.55 | aexl | DebianUser5465: bluray? |
| 12:44.07 | DebianUser5465 | aexl: yes |
| 12:44.44 | DebianUser5465 | OerHeks: was more, to increase the torrent speed |
| 12:44.56 | aexl | too big for me. |
| 12:47.02 | teraflops | DebianUser5465: are you asking as for seeding the torrent? it won't help btw unless we all have the full file already |
| 12:47.23 | aexl | i'm seeding dvd1 atm. :P |
| 12:47.27 | teraflops | also who the hell want a debian bluray... |
| 12:47.28 | OerHeks | published today .. |
| 12:47.29 | DebianUser5465 | aexl: i know, but is handy when you are outside home and have a crappy 4g lte costly connection but you still need packages for develop |
| 12:48.42 | jelly | DebianUser5465: more common solution for that is setting up a partial local mirror for the stuff you actually need |
| 12:48.43 | aexl | isn't there a source dvd? |
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| 12:49.33 | jelly | or use a caching proxy like apt-cacher-ng or whichever is the least buggy one these days |
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| 12:51.05 | aexl | bb |
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| 13:00.58 | g00se1 | Does any one of you have a 'directory icon preview' (such as when you can see the first of n images in a directory) in your windowing env? I use xfce and don't have it |
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| 13:54.48 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps |
| 13:54.57 | Eryn_1983_FL | why is hadoop such a mess on debian? |
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| 14:04.27 | dunaeth | Hi, any idea on how to resolve acpi hotkeys on some laptop ? |
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| 14:09.50 | h32432 | hello I am using "betsy" which is... debian with mint look? Anyway there's a problem: No prompt when deleting files with the delete key, and I don't know how to enable to that. I tried googling, found that I've to edit nautilus preferences.. but that didn't work. It's not very important though, but I'd still prefer having this fixed. |
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| 14:12.48 | jelly | h32432: you'll have to ask whoever made your installation image which file manager they put in |
| 14:13.01 | dutchfish | h32432, the default behavior on Debian for dolphin and nautilus is to move files to the trashbin. On shift-delete, they get dropped instantly with a warning op front. You have to ask the distributor of that distro. |
| 14:15.21 | Somelauw | Can Debian update this package to the latest version? https://github.com/jordansissel/keynav The old version has a small trivial bug, but it's an annoying one and I need to compile it myself again each time I install Debian on another computer. |
| 14:15.34 | h32432 | okay thanks |
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| 14:16.22 | jelly | ,v keynav |
| 14:16.23 | judd | Package: keynav on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.20110708.0-1; jessie: 0.20110708.0-2; stretch: 0.20110708.0-4; sid: 0.20110708.0-4 |
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| 14:17.23 | Somelauw | I'm on Jessie. I try not to piggy-back from stretch |
| 14:17.28 | g00se1 | Does any one of you have a 'directory icon preview' (such as when you can see the first of n images in a directory) in your windowing env? I use xfce and don't have it |
| 14:17.48 | jelly | Somelauw: the right way to ask is to file a Severity: wishlist bug report, but check if there's one way. Or file a report for the actual bug, and mention it's solved in the newer upstream version |
| 14:18.20 | dutchfish | Somelauw, maybe, you send in your patch to the maintainer of the package, that would be great for all, if it is an aprovement? |
| 14:18.25 | jelly | Somelauw: it will _not_ get fixed in jessie unless it's really serious (security issue, or breaking other software) |
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| 14:18.35 | Somelauw | dutchfish: it's already fixed upstream |
| 14:18.44 | dutchfish | Somelauw, ah ok |
| 14:19.06 | jelly | Somelauw: however, if you get the maintainer to fix it in sid and stretch you can ask for a backport |
| 14:19.36 | dutchfish | Somelauw, or roll your own repo, if this happens frequently, i do that for my own packages quiet often. |
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| 14:20.29 | Somelauw | jelly: it's not a security issue, it just breaks all keybindings to control-semicolon in every application all the time |
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| 14:21.52 | jelly | dpkg, tell Somelauw about reportbug |
| 14:22.39 | Somelauw | is reportbug also the place to request a backport? |
| 14:24.54 | jelly | nope, that'd probably be the mailing list for backports project. But the fixed version has to be in testing first. |
| 14:25.14 | jelly | see http://backports.debian.org |
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| 14:37.50 | tkxe | around what time more or less Debian 9 could be released probably? middle of 2017? |
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| 14:38.26 | jscoder | tkxe: debian releases WIR (When Its Ready), historically releases tend to take about 18-24mo |
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| 14:42.01 | teraflops | tkxe: the freeze is coming |
| 14:42.03 | dvs | !jessie |
| 14:42.03 | dpkg | Jessie is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 8, released on 2015-04-25: http://www.debian.org/News/2015/20150426 . Jessie is the cowgirl in Toy Story 2. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianJessie and ask me about <install jessie> <release notes> <wheezy->jessie>. Currently <8.6>. |
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| 14:43.03 | Spiffy | !testing |
| 14:43.04 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <stretch>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting . Support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and ask me about <testing faq> <jessie->stretch> <testing security> <moving target> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You need a sound knowledge of Debian and be prepared for a very bumpy ride. Don't use it on things that are critical! |
| 14:43.10 | Spiffy | !stretch |
| 14:43.10 | dpkg | The release following Debian 8 "Jessie" is codenamed "Stretch" (the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3) and will be Debian 9: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/11/msg00005.html. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch |
| 14:43.48 | SuperTramp83 | brrrr, I can feel the freeze :) |
| 14:44.22 | jscoder | yeah, me too.. |
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| 14:44.45 | n4dir | the worst time, when it comes to Debian. |
| 14:46.20 | n4dir | well: probably not for stable users ... |
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| 14:54.16 | jer0me | hello there, given two laptops and a server, each connected to the internet via different link, able to see each other via openvpn with their vpn IP, how would I make it possible to address each other using names over vpn, like laptop1.myvpn, laptop2.myvpn, without distributing hosts entries on all clients? I'd like not to force laptops to use the vpn for all dns queries. Any hint? |
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| 14:56.45 | Somelauw | jelly: ok, thanks |
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| 15:06.14 | jer0me | it seems like pdnsd acts as a resolv proxy, with cache cherry on top. |
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| 15:19.27 | sandiego_ | hi there |
| 15:19.53 | sandiego_ | I created a jabber account under psi app, how can i add facebook contact so ii can chat with those people ? |
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| 15:29.06 | sandiego | hey |
| 15:29.21 | sandiego | does anyone know how to add facebook friends to xmpp jabber account on psi ? |
| 15:29.22 | toruvinn | m |
| 15:29.27 | toruvinn | sandiego, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/04/facebook-chat-api-empathy-pidgin-stop-working you may be a bit late with this one. |
| 15:29.50 | sandiego | for linux i know how to use it |
| 15:29.54 | sandiego | purple lib |
| 15:30.01 | toruvinn | although i never used facebook, so cant really tell. |
| 15:30.03 | sandiego | im on windows now |
| 15:30.16 | toruvinn | sandiego, not sure if psi uses libpurple, pidgin mentioned there does. |
| 15:30.26 | sandiego | yeh |
| 15:30.40 | toruvinn | and according to the site i pasted, xmpp doesnt allow to talk to facebook(?) |
| 15:30.55 | SporkWitch | i was under the impression that facebook broke compatibility with normal xmpp clients years ago? |
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| 15:31.10 | toruvinn | SporkWitch, years ago being 2015/04 according to the above ;^D |
| 15:31.14 | SporkWitch | the last time i remember being able to make facebook chat work in anything but facebook was about 2 years ago, at least |
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| 15:31.36 | SporkWitch | ok, so a year and a half, i was close :) |
| 15:31.38 | jelly | I was under the impression this channel was for stuff that ran on Debian |
| 15:31.58 | SporkWitch | there are no chat clients compiled for debian? |
| 15:31.58 | SynrGy | they're super aggressive pushing messenger, too. if your friends use FB chat, just tell them to stop |
| 15:31.59 | SporkWitch | wow |
| 15:32.07 | SporkWitch | i knew debian's repos were outdated, but that's impressive |
| 15:33.34 | SporkWitch | SynrGy: it's kind of clever, really. if you look at the permissions required, facebook itself isn't too horrific these days; they want you to keep using facebook, and if they put you off the main app, you might switch to google+ or minds.com. the chat, on the other hand, is where they've hidden all the really invasive permissions that it has no business requesting. and they make it as difficult |
| 15:33.47 | jelly | sandiego: so, ask in ##windows |
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| 15:33.54 | toruvinn | oh |
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| 15:34.00 | SporkWitch | as they can to use chat without it, to try to force you to accept those permission requirements, without pushing you away from facebook entirely |
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| 15:34.37 | toruvinn | that's what you meant. jelly, tbh, Psi works just fine on debian, i wouldn't be that strict here. regardless, the answer is "nope" i guess since, according to that gewgl result XMPP isnt loved by faecebook anymore. |
| 15:34.43 | toruvinn | oops, a typo! ];-> |
| 15:35.01 | DoctorD90 | hi! im organizing an installation party with my lug. We would like to use debian logo (the circle only) as part of our installation party logo for the event. Id like to be sure I can. COuld I ask here? :) |
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| 15:35.27 | jelly | toruvinn: I would, no, I _am_ that strict -- talk about it here only if you can reproduce the actual issue on Debian |
| 15:36.44 | toruvinn | jelly, hrmf, perhaps it's a good approach, otherwise # would be flooded with a/s/ls. ;-) then again, im sure XMPP doesnt work with Faecebook regardless of the OS ;^P |
| 15:36.57 | Brigo | now i remember; i have a debian issue i can reproduce \o/ |
| 15:36.59 | SporkWitch | DoctorD90: i'd check the main debian site for a contact email, but as just a fellow user, i'd have to assume using it as part of an EVENT logo (e.g. a one-off install party thrown by a LUG) is probably fine |
| 15:37.30 | SporkWitch | DoctorD90: use it for a business, the LUG itself, and/or try to start raising MONEY using it, and then you start crossing into legal grey areas |
| 15:37.31 | DoctorD90 | SporkWitch, many many thx ^^ |
| 15:37.44 | DoctorD90 | ahaha nono |
| 15:37.54 | DoctorD90 | just installation party, free of charges |
| 15:37.55 | toruvinn | DoctorD90, as SporkWitch said, but i'd also just email the general debian mailing list, not specific people. that's me, though. |
| 15:38.00 | jscoder | DoctorD90: debian has two logos one, the swirl or swirl with the name is open use, the ones with the bottle are for debian official use |
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| 15:38.23 | jelly | DoctorD90: sounds like fair use if you're doing installs of debian itself. Ask in #debian-legal over on OFTC, maybe |
| 15:38.35 | SporkWitch | DoctorD90: then you're probably fine. it'd be like using the Counter Strike logo for a CS:S LAN party; it's directly relevant, you're not claiming to BE that thing, you're saying it's what the event is about |
| 15:39.00 | Brigo | i backported btfs package without issues but when i try to install it with gdebi i get: "ependency is not satisfiable: libc6-amd64 (>= 2.14)", but i have 2.19-18+deb8 installed |
| 15:39.05 | DoctorD90 | ...wow....one moment xD |
| 15:39.13 | jelly | DoctorD90: no, that's my wishful thinking -- such a channel does not exist, sorry |
| 15:39.29 | jelly | mailing list it is then |
| 15:40.10 | DoctorD90 | toruvinn, jelly I'dlike more to use the chann......ok T_T I have to use the mailinglist....i hate mailing list ..grrr.....could I ask you theaddress of this mailing list? |
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| 15:40.48 | DoctorD90 | jscoder, I was thinking to seuse just logo (red swirl) without name...or i have to add the name to other distro logo to.... |
| 15:40.50 | jelly | DoctorD90: listed on https://www.debian.org/legal/ |
| 15:41.00 | DoctorD90 | SporkWitch, what is a CS:S ?? 0o |
| 15:41.11 | DoctorD90 | thx jelly ! |
| 15:41.13 | n4dir | not sure if this page is clear enough (for me it is): https://www.debian.org/logos/ |
| 15:41.32 | toruvinn | DoctorD90, https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ |
| 15:41.37 | SporkWitch | DoctorD90: CounterStrike: Source, one of the most popular and longest-lasting competitive FPS games of all time |
| 15:41.39 | jelly | even better |
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| 15:42.13 | SporkWitch | DoctorD90: for more than a decade, it was synonymous with competitive and/or PC gaming |
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| 15:43.52 | DoctorD90 | SporkWitch, oh! gotcha! ...but it is a paygame? Or i know wrong? ....by the way. According to me, It was like I use "Ubisoft" logo in a lan official/public party...ubisoft could sent one of his law-man...i just want to be sure ^^ |
| 15:43.53 | jscoder | DoctorD90: seealso https://www.debian.org/logos/ and https://wiki.debian.org/ProposedTrademarkPolicy |
| 15:44.09 | DoctorD90 | thx jscoder ! im seeing them :D |
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| 15:44.55 | SporkWitch | DoctorD90: buy-to-play; if you have steam and you've bought pretty much anything from valve, you probably have it, it's part of almost every bundle they've sold in the past 10 or 15 years lol. the latest version is CounterStrike: Global Offensive, which is free to play with microtransactions, because of course it is |
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| 15:46.04 | SporkWitch | DoctorD90: and no, that's what i'm saying, as far as i know, at least in the US, using the ubisoft logo in that way would be legal, provided you didn't make it seem like you were part of or endorsed by ubisoft. That said, a specific game logo would probably be safer and more relevant; no one cares about ubisoft at a lan party, they care about the GAME you're playing at that party; that it's from |
| 15:46.10 | SporkWitch | ubisoft is immaterial |
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| 15:46.32 | jscoder | DoctorD90: the main concerns of the debian project are that you are not passing something off as being debian or affiliated with debian. If you are installing debian to raise money I don't think you're going to have anybody complaining about using an open logo.. but if you're installing mint or ubuntu and passing it off as debian, then people are going to get angry for obvious reasons of the debian project |
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| 15:46.51 | SporkWitch | DoctorD90: in the case of your install party, using the debian logo on the flyers or something is probably fine, because it's directly relevant: you're throwing an install party, you will be installing debian |
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| 15:58.41 | DoctorD90 | jscoder, SporkWitch im creating a logo in which at each installation party i will change just date. And at these events I will install distro users "want" (we will help them to choose the best one of course). SoIthink I can use it wthout problem.... |
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| 16:00.39 | SporkWitch | DoctorD90: a recurring thing, especially where you're iincorporating it into the RECURRING event's logo itself (as opposed to including various distro logos as a kind of "here are some of the things we'll have") is probably getting into grey areas. I'd contact the mailing list |
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| 16:01.14 | DoctorD90 | ok, i will do :) |
| 16:01.16 | DoctorD90 | thx :) |
| 16:01.46 | DoctorD90 | SporkWitch, just a simple qquestion.....cs go, has also server opensource? |
| 16:01.51 | DoctorD90 | Ot to use it I have to pay? |
| 16:02.30 | SporkWitch | closed-source, free-to-play |
| 16:03.56 | DoctorD90 | uhm...so it would not be a great idea as opensourcegame day....thx ^^ |
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| 16:04.36 | han-solo | good artists copy, great artists steal! |
| 16:04.37 | han-solo | :} |
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| 16:13.18 | kayhayen | can anybody please try if I am somehow confused, I cannot debootstrap Wheezy anymore |
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| 16:13.28 | kayhayen | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:13.38 | kayhayen | When I check, it complains about dpkg status file of the package... I tried to disable my caching proxy, same result |
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| 16:14.01 | kayhayen | even switched debian mirror to use... same result, maybe it's debootstrap of stretch that is broken?! |
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| 16:14.49 | jelly | kayhayen: which debootstrap version are you using and on which host OS? |
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| 16:15.34 | jelly | ,v debootstrap |
| 16:15.35 | judd | Package: debootstrap on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.48+deb7u4; wheezy-backports: 1.0.64~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.0.67; jessie-backports: 1.0.86~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.0.86; sid: 1.0.87; stretch: 1.0.87 |
| 16:16.37 | kayhayen | 1.0.87 on Debian Testing, aka Stretch, jelly |
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| 16:17.48 | jelly | kayhayen: and what was the actual command line you used? Is your host architecture different than the chroot one? |
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| 16:18.06 | kayhayen | jelly: no it's actually really simple |
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| 16:18.39 | jelly | ah, I can reproduce the issue |
| 16:18.49 | jelly | I: Installing core packages... |
| 16:18.50 | jelly | W: Failure trying to run: chroot /opt/chroots/wheezy-amd64 dpkg --force-depends --install /var/cache/apt/archives/base-passwd_3.5.26_amd64.deb |
| 16:18.50 | jelly | W: See /opt/chroots/wheezy-amd64/debootstrap/debootstrap.log for details |
| 16:19.12 | kayhayen | Exactly... so it's not just my, potentially corrupt caches or so... |
| 16:19.44 | kayhayen | I even tried LANG=C |
| 16:19.48 | jelly | nope. http://paste.debian.net/901695/ |
| 16:21.02 | kayhayen | Exactly what i got too, right jelly |
| 16:21.21 | oty | if there is one user that did compile clementine (sid version) for sid, could you pm me ? Everything is flawless but it doesn't seem to detect the actually detect all the gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly (it complains about gstreamer while trying to read .mp3) ; I know this is not supported debian stuff :p |
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| 16:21.36 | oty | -for sid +for jessie |
| 16:21.48 | kayhayen | my parsing of https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?dist=unstable;package=debootstrap seems to not find this as a known bug |
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| 16:22.37 | jelly | kayhayen: amusingly --arch=i386 seems to work |
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| 16:23.20 | jelly | kayhayen: does your dmesg also show something like |
| 16:23.21 | jelly | [100647.239437] dpkg[17140] vsyscall attempted with vsyscall=none ip:ffffffffff600400 cs:33 sp:7ffd7436e018 ax:ffffffffff600400 si:428720 di:7ffd7436e030 |
| 16:23.22 | jelly | [100647.239443] dpkg[17140]: segfault at ffffffffff600400 ip ffffffffff600400 sp 00007ffd7436e018 error 15 |
| 16:23.38 | kayhayen | jelly: yes it does |
| 16:24.00 | kayhayen | does it mean the stretch kernel is incompatible with Wheezy somehow |
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| 16:24.28 | jelly | possibly; whether it be a bug or a feature remains to be seen |
| 16:24.39 | kayhayen | That would make it a kernel bug I would say jelly |
| 16:24.49 | jelly | certainly a regression |
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| 16:25.33 | han-solo | it's a feature! |
| 16:25.35 | kayhayen | i noticed from my existing pbuilder running on Stretch starting to segfault "in method http" |
| 16:25.46 | kayhayen | when doing pbuilder --upgrade |
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| 16:28.14 | kayhayen | which package would be the one to check for kernel bugs here? |
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| 16:28.20 | jelly | lemme boot back to 4.7.0-1-amd64 for a bit |
| 16:28.45 | kayhayen | Likely linux-image-amd64, right |
| 16:29.13 | kayhayen | Unfortunately I lost my logs of the Buildbot, otherwise I could tell :/ |
| 16:29.31 | kayhayen | But it must be case for a while already. |
| 16:29.49 | kayhayen | 4.8.0-1-amd64 here |
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| 16:31.23 | kayhayen | Oh, look here: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=847154 |
| 16:31.24 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/847154 in linux-image-amd64 (open): «linux-image-amd64: Disabling vsyscall interface may break docker run»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2016-12-06; last modified: 2016-12-06. |
| 16:31.35 | kayhayen | hehe... same second :) |
| 16:31.48 | kayhayen | Seems to affect chroot as well |
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| 16:35.11 | kayhayen | thanks for the help... seems it was already noticed that Debian 7 won't work anymore that way. Pretty harsh if you ask me. But probably warranted. |
| 16:35.29 | jelly | well. "This breaks (e)glibc 2.13 and earlier" |
| 16:35.54 | kayhayen | inside the chroot, you tend to use it |
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| 16:36.37 | jelly | wouldn't be able to use wheezy userspace with such a kernel regardless of chroot |
| 16:37.02 | kayhayen | There is this work around that I am trying now: |
| 16:37.15 | kayhayen | vsyscall=emulate on the kernel command line |
| 16:37.35 | jelly | right, 4.7.0-1-amd64 still worked |
| 16:37.52 | jelly | boots back to 4.8.0-2-amd64 |
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| 16:38.08 | kayhayen | i am trying out 4.8.0 with that optio now... booting too (brb) |
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| 16:54.52 | g00se1 | Does any one of you have a 'directory icon preview' (such as when you can see the first of n images in a directory) in your windowing env? I use xfce and don't have it |
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| 17:06.41 | kayhayen | g00se1: when i hover over a dir, it should change, or what do you mean? |
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| 17:10.03 | g00se1 | Well in Windows, you get a preview of images contained in the icon for the directory in Explorer |
| 17:10.21 | SporkWitch | g00se1: dolphin will do that |
| 17:10.30 | SporkWitch | g00se1: so will terminology, because it's awesome |
| 17:10.30 | g00se1 | (so you can *see* what's in it without going into it) |
| 17:10.37 | g00se1 | Ahh |
| 17:11.06 | g00se1 | Nice to have it already in the wm though |
| 17:11.21 | SporkWitch | file explorer != window manager |
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| 17:11.30 | g00se1 | Sorry - wrong terms |
| 17:11.34 | SporkWitch | VERY wrong terms |
| 17:11.42 | kayhayen | my caja (MATE) doesn't do it |
| 17:12.50 | g00se1 | Let's say then - nice to have it in the file explorer native to the wm/desktop |
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| 17:15.59 | silver_hook | l4m8d4, teraflops: Iâve given it some more though (was forced to, as I had to recompile the image for eMMC support) â¦isnât the majority of /var actually the folder that changes the most and includes tonnes of stuff that you probably donât really need to back up? |
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| 17:16.25 | silver_hook | â¦apart from /var/www, the SQL and some other stuff here and there? |
| 17:17.02 | g00se1 | terminology - Enlightenment efl based terminal emulator (?) |
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| 17:17.49 | silver_hook | g00se1: Yup, terminology has some quite advanced features for a terminal. |
| 17:18.29 | g00se1 | I'll see if i can see some screenshots |
| 17:21.30 | g00se1 | So, at bottom, is EFL? |
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| 17:49.43 | llwu | does anyone know why i would get the error "Depends: libstdc++6 (>= 4.6) but it is not going to be installed" if i also have "libstdc++6 is already the newest version (6.2.1-5)."? |
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| 17:50.46 | petn-randall | llwu: That's probably because you're mixing repositories into your stable Debian that are not compatible. |
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| 17:51.15 | petn-randall | llwu: You're trying to install a package that depends on libstdc++6 >= 4.6, but that isn't in jessie. |
| 17:51.21 | petn-randall | ,v libstdc++6 |
| 17:51.22 | judd | Package: libstdc++6 on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.7.2-5; jessie: 4.9.2-10; sid: 6.2.1-5; stretch: 6.2.1-5; experimental: 7-20161201-1 |
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| 17:54.50 | llwu | So 6.2.1-5 is not >= 4.6? What about 4.9.2-10? |
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| 17:55.28 | petn-randall | !bat |
| 17:55.28 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 17:55.36 | jelly | !basic apt... ninjad! |
| 17:55.37 | petn-randall | llwu: Can you povide all the details here? ^^^ |
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| 17:56.39 | g00se1 | Is there a better way to update a package than to remove then reinstall it? |
| 17:56.55 | llwu | This is what I'm trying to do: http://pastebin.com/gN0vaRtr |
| 17:56.56 | jelly | g00se1: what do you think that would accomplish? |
| 17:57.15 | llwu | The package I'm trying to install is in jessie though my libstdc++ is from stretch |
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| 17:58.36 | jelly | g00se1: if there's a newer version available, you can just patch up the whole system with "apt-get upgrade" or "apt-get dist-upgrade" or an equivalent aptitude or apt command. |
| 17:59.07 | jelly | g00se1: you can also "apt-get install package-that-is-installed-already" |
| 17:59.26 | jelly | but that wipes its automatically-installed flag |
| 18:00.04 | g00se1 | The newer one is in backports |
| 18:01.01 | jelly | g00se1: if you want a package version from jessie-backports, you have to explicitely ask for it. Read the instructions, https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 18:01.29 | jelly | once you install it from jessie-backports it will keep getting any upgrades from there |
| 18:01.59 | jelly | llwu: that doesn't seem to be all the info from !bat |
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| 18:07.50 | g00se1 | jelly: I did. I'm now thoroughly confused by what seems to be a very simple issue: http://sprunge.us/aKXX |
| 18:08.30 | llwu | I ran apt-cache policy: http://pastebin.com/dpMA5zpy |
| 18:08.59 | jelly | llwu: but anyway -- g++ and libstdc++6 in stretch have a changed ABI. Almost everything c++ based had to be rebuilt, and you won't be able to use old builds (say, stuff that uses libstdc++6 from gcc-4.x) |
| 18:09.14 | jelly | this falls under "don't mix releases" |
| 18:11.07 | llwu | i see |
| 18:11.16 | jelly | apt in stretch gives a saner error message |
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| 18:15.28 | jelly | g00se1: and if you use apt-get instead of aptitude? |
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| 18:15.57 | g00se1 | I'll have a go |
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| 18:21.06 | g00se1 | ffmpeg: Installed: 6:0.8.18-0+deb7u1 Candidate: 7:3.2-2~bpo8+2 |
| 18:21.25 | g00se1 | That's the situation. Needs upgrading |
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| 18:22.29 | g00se1 | sudo apt-get install -t jessie-backports ffmpeg |
| 18:22.46 | g00se1 | The result: E: The value 'jessie-backports' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources |
| 18:22.52 | jelly | that's weird |
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| 18:24.13 | jelly | g00se1: show the output of "apt-cache policy" |
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| 18:24.50 | g00se1 | ^^ ffmpeg: Installed: 6:0.8.18-0+deb7u1 Candidate: 7:3.2-2~bpo8+2 |
| 18:25.18 | jelly | g00se1: that's "apt-cache policy", without any package names |
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| 18:26.08 | g00se1 | http://sprunge.us/hFjG |
| 18:26.26 | DanteD | What distro would be most like debian but with more up-to-date KDE & linux ? |
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| 18:27.16 | jelly | g00se1: ok, but where's that "apt-cache policy" |
| 18:28.24 | g00se1 | http://sprunge.us/VchR |
| 18:29.01 | jelly | lol |
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| 18:29.22 | jelly | g00se1: no, not "apt-cache policy ffmpeg", just "apt-cache policy" no package names |
| 18:29.52 | ghormoon | hi, what package do I need for intel ethernet cards? only package that looks relevant is firmware-intelwimax which I think will be wimax only, not eth cards, right? |
| 18:30.41 | g00se1 | Oh ok. Sorry |
| 18:30.54 | jelly | ghormoon: intel gigabit eth interfaces have free drivers, you don't need any extra package (apart from a fresh enough kernel if it's a really new chip) |
| 18:31.03 | ghormoon | lspci says Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation I350 Gigabit Network Connection (rev 01) |
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| 18:31.19 | jelly | ghormoon: what does "lspci -nn" say? |
| 18:31.36 | g00se1 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/23615041/ |
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| 18:32.12 | ghormoon | Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation I350 Gigabit Network Connection [8086:1521] (rev 01) |
| 18:32.17 | jelly | g00se1: ah. You're on Debian 6. ffmpeg is in Debian 8's backports. |
| 18:32.22 | ghormoon | maybe something else is wrong then :) |
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| 18:33.26 | jelly | g00se1: your "apt-cache policy" output does not match your previous "apt-cache policy ffmpeg" output, did you change anything? |
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| 18:33.43 | jelly | g00se1: is this from the same system at all? |
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| 18:34.09 | ghormoon | yeah, maybe udev, lets see after reboot |
| 18:34.11 | ghormoon | :) |
| 18:34.12 | jelly | g00se1: if it is, you can't mix jessie-backports with an old squeeze system. |
| 18:34.19 | ghormoon | (I've took disk from one machine to other) |
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| 18:34.25 | jelly | ghormoon: ah, |
| 18:34.27 | jelly | !70 |
| 18:34.28 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules, edit this file to change the mappings. To apply changes: «udevadm trigger» or reload the relevant driver module. See also <udev>. |
| 18:34.32 | jelly | ghormoon: ^^ |
| 18:34.38 | g00se1 | Sorry - there's someone distracting me |
| 18:34.43 | ghormoon | yeah, I've just changed that |
| 18:35.16 | g00se1 | http://sprunge.us/HiIf |
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| 18:35.43 | ghormoon | nezt level will be to bond those things with lacp :) |
| 18:36.19 | ghormoon | now the ywork at lest separately |
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| 18:37.59 | g00se1 | jelly: My apologies. Distractions have caused me to be working in the wrong terminal |
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| 18:39.57 | jelly | g00se1: I have no idea why apt is doing this unless you somehow managed to mistype jessie-backports |
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| 18:40.44 | g00se1 | I was probably running the command against a running squeeze |
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| 18:42.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | ^^ |
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| 18:58.59 | sgflt | i'm trying to figure out whether the NET::ERR_CERTIFICATE_TRANSPARENCY_REQUIRED is somewhere on the debian bug tracker. can someone help me out? |
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| 19:03.30 | satbyy | sgflt: this one? https://bugs.debian.org/844631 |
| 19:03.31 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/844631 in chromium (closed, upstream): «chromium: certificate transparency error on i386»; severity: important; opened: 2016-11-17; last modified: 2016-12-11. |
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| 19:04.04 | g00se1 | Is there some sort of way of converting version of software to their equivalent upstream ones? |
| 19:04.56 | satbyy | g00se1: any package, for example? |
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| 19:05.26 | g00se1 | Actually i think in this case, the backports package contains the actual version |
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| 19:06.06 | g00se1 | iow 3.2-2~bpo8+2 is 3.2-2 in the case of ffmpeg |
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| 19:06.57 | satbyy | every debian packages kinda encodes the upstream version, syntax here: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version |
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| 19:09.55 | satbyy | With some examples (about ~bpo etc) https://readme.phys.ethz.ch/documentation/debian_version_numbers/ |
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| 19:18.28 | tayne | Anyone else getting privacy errors on stretch's chromium? |
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| 19:21.15 | satbyy | tayne: yes, same as what sgflt was asking about |
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| 19:22.22 | tayne | Apologies I forgot how to showlog on hexchat haha |
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| 19:40.39 | jelly | ,v chromium |
| 19:40.40 | judd | Package: chromium on amd64 -- wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie: 53.0.2785.89-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 53.0.2785.143-1~deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 53.0.2785.143-1~deb8u1; stretch: 53.0.2785.143-1; sid: 55.0.2883.75-2 |
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| 19:41.58 | dunaeth | Hi, any idea on how to solve laptop hotkeys issues ? |
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| 20:01.37 | teraflops | dunaeth: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Extra_keyboard_keys&redirect=no looks fine |
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| 20:30.15 | rquiros | could anyone help me with my package conflict ? i am having |
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| 20:31.11 | nano_python | What kind of conflict and what package(s) |
| 20:31.40 | rquiros | http://paste.debian.net/901722/ |
| 20:33.02 | rquiros | its a raspbian distro |
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| 20:35.51 | nano_python | #raspbian might know more, sadly I've never used it so I can't help much. |
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| 20:38.48 | silver_hook | Whatâs a current safe way to set up a few web apps (e.g. ownCloud/Nextcloud, ZNC, static HTML blog) on a private server? |
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| 20:39.43 | nano_python | define safe, you mean just for private use? |
| 20:39.52 | silver_hook | Iâve read a tiny bit about virtualisation and containers, but to be honest, thatâs kinda me: http://www.commitstrip.com/en/2016/12/10/a-server-thats-so-2014/ |
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| 20:41.32 | silver_hook | nano_python: Yeah, bad wording. Basically this is a small ARM server I have at home, which will host cca. 2-10 users (mostly family). The most vulnerable stuff is probably PHP and PostgreSQL through Nextcloud. |
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| 20:42.13 | nano_python | If it's all local connections, you can setup a firewall to only accept local connections. |
| 20:42.18 | silver_hook | Root = me, and no-one else. Local users are em ⦠me (potentially my brother). |
| 20:42.38 | econdudeawesome | Howdy all. I've tried all sorts of things to get my touchpad working. I'm currently running debian, it would work under fedora livecd (but boot would crash/forget to install Gnome). I've tried every distro I can think of -- debian (my usual choice) is the only onw that successfully installs. What can I do to get my laptop's touchpad working? |
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| 20:42.58 | silver_hook | nano_python: Itâll be public. I sync my calendars through Nextcloud and thereâs also my website/blog. |
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| 20:43.32 | nano_python | silver_hook, Then you can make those ports open to public and everything else local only. |
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| 20:43.38 | silver_hook | nano_python: My question is more in whatâs the proper⢠way to install and maintain web apps on Debian these days. |
| 20:43.53 | nano_python | econdudeawesome, Does the touchpad not work at all? |
| 20:44.06 | econdudeawesome | not a bit |
| 20:44.18 | econdudeawesome | nothing has shown up in xinput either |
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| 20:44.26 | econdudeawesome | under windows and under fedora livecd worked |
| 20:44.31 | silver_hook | On Gentoo I just used its own vhost stuff. But kids these days with their dookers and cubey-nets ⦠|
| 20:44.41 | econdudeawesome | separate USB mouse works without a problem |
| 20:45.05 | nano_python | Shows up in lspci? |
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| 20:45.21 | econdudeawesome | i don't believe so. How can I check to be sure (i recall lspci has a lot of output...) |
| 20:45.45 | econdudeawesome | nm was thinking of something else |
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| 20:45.48 | econdudeawesome | hang on, let me get a pastebin |
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| 20:46.24 | econdudeawesome | http://pastebin.com/8LwtvKA0 |
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| 20:46.45 | nano_python | silver_hook, Good firewall rules, and strong passwords are a good place to start. |
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| 20:46.57 | econdudeawesome | i suppose it could the the: 03:00.0 Unassigned class [ff00]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. Device 5287 (rev 01) |
| 20:47.21 | econdudeawesome | I think thats a memory card reader though |
| 20:47.40 | silver_hook | nano_python: That much I know. And SSH keys are better than (only) passwords, plus disabling sshâing as root ⦠|
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| 20:48.10 | silver_hook | â¦but if I want to e.g. install or update Nextcloud, what would be the way⢠to go about it? |
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| 20:49.21 | nano_python | silver_hook, Follow their install instructions. If you want do a bit a googling about hardening them. |
| 20:49.59 | silver_hook | nano_python: OK, I just though that there might be a Debian Way to it (such as there was a Gentoo Way). Iâll simply follow that then. |
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| 20:51.26 | econdudeawesome | any thoughts nano_python ? |
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| 20:51.54 | nano_python | econdudeawesome, I don't see a touchpad yea, not sure about that unknown. Can't find much on it. |
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| 20:52.50 | nano_python | Says it's a card reader |
| 20:53.01 | rquiros | apt has a way to tell me of what package group a specific package is member of ? |
| 20:53.02 | apt | that's too long, rquiros |
| 20:53.02 | econdudeawesome | thats what I was guessing. What can I do here? |
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| 20:53.25 | rquiros | apt help |
| 20:54.17 | nano_python | Do you have a model number for the laptop? Might be able to lookup specs. |
| 20:54.33 | econdudeawesome | http://www.microcenter.com/product/460656/ROG_ZX50VW-MS71_156_Gaming_Laptop_Computer_-_Black |
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| 20:54.57 | SynrGy | rquiros: what do you mean by group? section? |
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| 20:55.27 | econdudeawesome | nano_python: When I try to run synclient, it gives me: Couldn't find synaptics properties. No synaptics driver loaded? |
| 20:55.54 | rquiros | i mean like metapackages |
| 20:56.14 | econdudeawesome | I suspect it's supported by later kernels (in 3.16 right now), but I'm not sure how to update the kernel |
| 20:56.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | econdudeawesome, I think they're more usual usb devices |
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| 20:56.56 | econdudeawesome | CutMeOwnThroat: what do you mean? |
| 20:57.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | econdudeawesome, it would be easy enough to try a newer kernel from backports, though |
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| 20:57.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean you wouldn't see a usb device in lspci |
| 20:57.15 | econdudeawesome | I'd like to try, but I killed the system yesterday when I gave it ago |
| 20:57.21 | nano_python | econdudeawesome, Debian stable with kernel 3.16 doesn't have support for that touchpad. |
| 20:57.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | must be a splendid system |
| 20:57.34 | nano_python | econdudeawesome, However, 4.7 backport kernel might |
| 20:58.04 | econdudeawesome | CutMeOwnThroat: nano_python: I thought that might be the case. How did you determine it? I couldn't find any info on the touchpad |
| 20:58.28 | nano_python | Looking up stuff on google mostly: https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?81702-Linux-installation-in-ASUS-ROG-GL552VW-DH71 |
| 20:58.30 | econdudeawesome | CutMeOwnThroat: oh no worries, I'm to my 10th distro today :) |
| 20:58.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | I didn't⦠I just said that would be simple enough to try |
| 20:58.32 | n4dir | rquiros: look at "apt-file" and "aptitude why <pkg_name>". Don't think they do exactly what you ask for, but worth a try |
| 20:58.35 | nano_python | Few websites talk about it |
| 20:59.00 | nano_python | Installing the backport kernel isn't that hard, shouldn't take too long. |
| 20:59.12 | econdudeawesome | alright. I'll google around on how to add backports without killing things. Any suggestions while I parse the debian wiki? |
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| 21:00.14 | nano_python | econdudeawesome, https://wiki.debian.org/Backports |
| 21:00.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | econdudeawesome, I don't see how that would do anything useful⦠they all basically ship the same software ,just in somewhat randomly different versions⦠I'd always really prefer finding out what the problem is and trying to fix that instead of trying a lot of distros that are basically the same but all subtly different⦠where's anything to learn in that |
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| 21:01.34 | econdudeawesome | CutMeOwnThroat: an opportunity to try new distros and figure out why the touchpad works in Fedora (LiveCD only, install wouldn't install grub2), but not in Debian |
| 21:02.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | don't need no 10 distros for that not |
| 21:02.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | but if you have something where it works, I'd try to figure out what the hardware is on that system⦠|
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| 21:03.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's some database on kmutos page mapping pciid vs kernel module⦠doesn't help much for stuff with an usbid, though |
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| 21:04.18 | Anselmo | can't you try, say, lspci,and see what the track pad is / how to get it running? |
| 21:04.30 | SynrGy | n4dir, rquiros: aptitude why <pattern> <packagename> might help, if you want to see if a particular metapackage has a dependency chain that leads to the package. i haven't tried this thoug |
| 21:04.31 | econdudeawesome | Anselmo: that was where I started. Nothing even shows up |
| 21:04.42 | econdudeawesome | AFAICT |
| 21:04.45 | SynrGy | though* |
| 21:04.50 | econdudeawesome | Anselmo: http://pastebin.com/8LwtvKA0 |
| 21:04.50 | Anselmo | weird . . . |
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| 21:05.14 | rquiros | thanks |
| 21:05.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm too tired |
| 21:05.20 | econdudeawesome | agreed. Very confusing why it works fine under Fedora, not under Debian (and don't get me started on the whackiness of recent Ubuntu spins...) |
| 21:05.37 | n4dir | mhh, SynrGy if i knew already the metapackage i'd probably go for rdepends |
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| 21:06.15 | Anselmo | hmmm. . . |
| 21:06.34 | econdudeawesome | nano_python: CutMeOwnThroat: Anselmo: I wonder whether this missing firmware is related? Output from apt-get on installing the new kernel: http://pastebin.com/Re9jZk3n |
| 21:06.34 | nano_python | econdudeawesome, Fedora runs pretty up to date software, where debian stable is a few years behind. |
| 21:06.59 | Anselmo | do you have different kernel mods loaded under fedora |
| 21:07.04 | nano_python | econdudeawesome, Looks like it's talking about realtek firmware |
| 21:07.36 | Anselmo | ^ |
| 21:07.38 | econdudeawesome | nano_python: did you identify the touchpad maker? I couldn't find anything deeper on that |
| 21:07.44 | `Lobster | when you edit a file and the end result is smaller than the original file does it overwrite or save to a new location on hard drive? |
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| 21:08.08 | nano_python | econdudeawesome, Can't find it either. |
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| 21:09.22 | econdudeawesome | nano_python: k. Looks like the backport has installed. Wish me luck... |
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| 21:09.28 | Anselmo | lobster: depends on the editor and configuration |
| 21:09.36 | econdudeawesome | I may be back on a tty shell if it breaks again. Crossed fingers |
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| 21:10.36 | erm3nd0 | Hi. i am looking for virtual router in Linux. I've tried virtualrouter on Windows and does work, using netconnlib, but i don't know howto do the same think under linux |
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| 21:11.17 | erm3nd0 | readed something about hostapd but seems to share 2 network devices. my goal is to use just 1 wifi adapter to both things, get and create the virtual one |
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| 21:16.03 | kayhayen | erm3nd0: Does hostapd do what you want? |
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| 21:16.54 | econdudeawesome | no such luck, couldn't boot into the new kernel. |
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| 21:17.12 | econdudeawesome | wifi also died (uses firmware iwl... packages |
| 21:17.13 | econdudeawesome | ) |
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| 21:18.24 | nano_python | econdudeawesome, Any message during boot, also: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=firmware-iwlwifi |
| 21:18.52 | econdudeawesome | all I caught had to do with the iwlwifi firmware |
| 21:19.04 | econdudeawesome | but X also didn't start |
| 21:20.30 | erm3nd0 | kayhayen, i never used hostapd, but sees to share net between devices |
| 21:20.41 | econdudeawesome | advisable then to try: #apt-get upgrade -t jessie-backports ? |
| 21:20.54 | erm3nd0 | my goal is to do what virtualrouter (windows) does, creating a virtual wifi network with the same wifi device |
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| 21:21.52 | erm3nd0 | kayhayen, hostapd definition says "sharing phisyc network to wifi", not "create a virtual wifi" ... so, i don't know where to look |
| 21:21.58 | nano_python | So it did boot into the 4.7 backport kernel, but x didn't start? |
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| 21:23.38 | econdudeawesome | yes |
| 21:23.49 | econdudeawesome | i misspoke, it booted into the new kernel but I could not get X up and running |
| 21:24.14 | nano_python | kde, gnome, lxde? |
| 21:24.20 | towo` | do we know your graphics hardware? |
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| 21:24.41 | erm3nd0 | kayhayen, seems that hostapd does what i need, found it googling (more) finally |
| 21:24.50 | dvs | econdudeawesome, you need to get the video driver from backports as well. |
| 21:25.34 | econdudeawesome | towo: Im not sure. dvs: I just ran: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade -t jessie-backports and many things were upgrades |
| 21:25.37 | econdudeawesome | upgraded* |
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| 21:25.55 | towo` | econdudeawesome, again, no one knows your graphics hardware |
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| 21:26.16 | econdudeawesome | towo`: best way to get that info? |
| 21:26.27 | econdudeawesome | its nvidia, not sure of the version |
| 21:26.31 | towo` | lspci | grep -i vga |
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| 21:26.48 | econdudeawesome | ah: nVIDIA GeForce GTX 960M 2GB GDDR5 |
| 21:26.50 | nano_python | towo`, from earlier: http://pastebin.com/8LwtvKA0 |
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| 21:27.21 | towo` | thats optimus |
| 21:27.31 | econdudeawesome | whats optimus? |
| 21:27.41 | towo` | so installing nvidia-driver would end in black screen |
| 21:27.51 | econdudeawesome | I've gone down that road before :D |
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| 21:28.12 | towo` | dpkg -l | grep nvidia shows anything? |
| 21:28.12 | econdudeawesome | I haven't installed nvidia-driver or nvidia-kernel-dkms on this fresh install yet |
| 21:28.12 | dpkg | ii | grep nvidia shows anything 3.7-12.1 towo`'s private porn collection |
| 21:28.21 | econdudeawesome | lol |
| 21:28.38 | towo` | could it be a skylake intel? |
| 21:28.43 | econdudeawesome | nothing, towo` |
| 21:29.17 | towo` | seems so |
| 21:29.17 | towo` | you need non-free firmware for that |
| 21:29.25 | econdudeawesome | towo`: that may be the case. Reason for seeking kernel upgrade is my touchpad does not work in debian but works fine on fedora livecd (but fedora install does not boot) |
| 21:29.26 | towo` | so install firmware-misc-nonfree |
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| 21:30.31 | towo` | an make sure, you have installed drm, mesa and xserver-xorg-video-inel also from backports |
| 21:31.41 | dvs | mainly xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 21:32.25 | econdudeawesome | awesome |
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| 21:32.34 | econdudeawesome | alright, running reboot, cross finger |
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| 21:47.28 | econdudeawesome | sad face. can' |
| 21:47.32 | econdudeawesome | t get X working now |
| 21:48.27 | towo` | provide relevant logfiles |
| 21:48.41 | towo` | for example /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 21:49.32 | econdudeawesome | going to be hard to do, I have no access to X. Isn't there a utility that will auto-post? |
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| 21:50.31 | towo` | install pastebinit |
| 21:50.55 | towo` | then you can do pastebinit < /var/log/Xorg.0.log and give us the link |
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| 21:53.12 | econdudeawesome | http://pastebin.debian.net/901743 |
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| 21:55.39 | towo` | that's not the complete log |
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| 21:59.54 | frikinz | So I was finally able to rebuild my /var after rm-rfing it \o/ |
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| 22:00.16 | jhutchins | stew: Check the manpage for mount, it will return an exit code, test that. |
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| 22:00.59 | econdudeawesome | towo`: still not working for me. upgraded everything I can, logs aren't showing any direct warnings other than missing cyrillic |
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| 22:01.40 | econdudeawesome | (I don't think I need the cyrillic though) |
| 22:02.13 | towo` | and firmware-misc-nonfree is also installed? |
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| 22:02.26 | jhutchins | econdudeawesome: Just dropping in, have you checked dmesg and Xorg.0.log to see what errors they're showing? |
| 22:02.48 | econdudeawesome | jhutchins: haven't seen any errors in Xorg.0.log. Advice for checking dmesg? It gets long, right? |
| 22:02.50 | jhutchins | econdudeawesome: You probably need a newer build than the one in backports (which is 360 or 380 iirc). |
| 22:02.51 | dvs | jhutchins, he tried to paste Xorg.0.log |
| 22:03.48 | jhutchins | econdudeawesome: Right, so you need to search it by piping it to less or grep. Look for nv - that will get you the open kernel module or anything "nvidia". |
| 22:04.01 | jhutchins | econdudeawesome: nouveau didn't work? |
| 22:04.09 | econdudeawesome | jhutchins: what? |
| 22:04.13 | towo` | this is a optimus setup |
| 22:04.23 | towo` | so nouveau does not count at the moment |
| 22:04.30 | towo` | primary output is intel |
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| 22:04.57 | towo` | and since it is skylake, firmware is nessesary |
| 22:05.40 | winsen | does anyone know how can know if Evince is correctly installed or not? |
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| 22:06.21 | econdudeawesome | http://paste.debian.net/901750 |
| 22:06.54 | econdudeawesome | misc nonfree firmware installed |
| 22:07.16 | dvs | from where? |
| 22:07.36 | econdudeawesome | dvs --ah. GOod point. I should install from backports (I believe I already did though) |
| 22:07.52 | dvs | econdudeawesome, yes, that's what we've been saying. |
| 22:08.02 | econdudeawesome | installed from backports |
| 22:09.17 | econdudeawesome | ] |
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| 22:09.40 | winsen | any clue gys? |
| 22:09.55 | econdudeawesome | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:10.04 | jhutchins | winsen: Did you install it in stable debian from official repos? |
| 22:10.39 | winsen | jhutchins: yes |
| 22:10.47 | econdudeawesome | asdfasdf |
| 22:10.50 | jhutchins | winsen: Were there any errors? |
| 22:10.52 | econdudeawesome | sorry |
| 22:10.56 | econdudeawesome | sadf |
| 22:10.58 | econdudeawesome | hm |
| 22:11.11 | econdudeawesome | im getting stuck. Kernel is doing something really weird |
| 22:11.19 | econdudeawesome | can't switch between tty shells anymore |
| 22:11.45 | winsen | jhutchins: no error I am just looking where is Evince but I didn't find it. I wonder if it launch on from the terminal or not? |
| 22:12.03 | winsen | *launch only... |
| 22:12.18 | econdudeawesome | are you using "Evince" or "evince"? |
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| 22:12.49 | jhutchins | winsen: dpkg -L evince will show you all installed files from the package |
| 22:14.08 | winsen | <econdudeawesome: I installed the packages it says it's "evince is already the newest version" but I didn't find it. |
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| 22:15.10 | winsen | <econdudeawesome: I thought it's the sale? either Evince or evince |
| 22:15.11 | winsen | same |
| 22:15.20 | sgflt | is there a repo/ppa/something for kernels backported to jessie, newer than jessie-backports? i tried compiling using a sid source package, but some of the dependencies are iffy to satisfy |
| 22:15.52 | winsen | econdudeawesome: but I didn't find it either |
| 22:16.12 | towo` | sgflt, what's the problem in using upstream source and build with make deb-pkg? |
| 22:16.15 | jhutchins | winsen: dpkg -L evince will show you all installed files from the package |
| 22:16.17 | winsen | jhutchins: any clue? |
| 22:16.56 | sgflt | towo`: i have no idea -- i assumed the kernel image contains a lot of debian-related stuff that will cause things to break if absent? |
| 22:17.03 | jhutchins | winsen: which evince will tell you if it's on your path. If it's graphical it may not be. |
| 22:17.04 | awal1 | sgflt: under debian you have repos of: experimental, unstable, testing, backports and stable; nothing more. No pp'as or similars |
| 22:17.11 | towo` | sgflt, no it soesn't |
| 22:17.12 | winsen | jhutchins: eveything seems ok: https://paste.debian.net/901753/ |
| 22:17.16 | towo` | *doesn't |
| 22:17.31 | towo` | sgflt, and you can use the .config from debian |
| 22:17.45 | sgflt | i see |
| 22:17.57 | sgflt | before i dive into that, is there a channel for helping out getting X to run on skylake gpus? |
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| 22:18.25 | towo` | normaly you only need kernel, derm and ddx from backports |
| 22:18.42 | towo` | s/derm/drm |
| 22:18.55 | sgflt | ddx? |
| 22:19.09 | towo` | the x-driver, xserver-xorg-video-intel |
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| 22:19.56 | towo` | and if you want to use gnome or cinnamon, you also need mesa from backports |
| 22:19.59 | sgflt | not sure how to get the third one; i have installed xserver-xorg-video-intel linux-image-amd64 from jessie-backports |
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| 22:20.09 | winsen | any clue guys? |
| 22:20.18 | jhutchins | winsen: Why do you think something is wrong? There's the binary right there, /usr/bin/evince |
| 22:20.40 | towo` | sgflt, libdrm-intel1 and libgl1-mesa-glx |
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| 22:21.01 | econdudeawesome | sgflt: sounds like we're in a similar boat. I can't get anything working. towo` & nano_python : http://paste.debian.net/901755 (and maybe http://paste.debian.net/901754) |
| 22:21.36 | sgflt | towo`: got all those from backports, still no X |
| 22:21.55 | towo` | econdudeawesome, can you switch the graphics in your bios? |
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| 22:22.03 | sgflt | econdudeawesome: what's in your X log? |
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| 22:22.41 | econdudeawesome | sgflt: let me pastebin it. towo`: I might be able to, I haven't dug into the bios/uefi. What should I be looking for? |
| 22:23.02 | towo` | econdudeawesome, because nouveau can't work with a gtx970m |
| 22:23.32 | towo` | econdudeawesome, and your 1st lspci had show intel as vga |
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| 22:23.50 | towo` | econdudeawesome, but your dmesg does not show any i915 entry |
| 22:23.57 | econdudeawesome | sgflt: http://paste.debian.net/901756 |
| 22:24.10 | sgflt | hmm, i don't have any nvidia card, you seem to have two graphics cards (internel + nvidia)? |
| 22:24.21 | econdudeawesome | I guess so... (Asus ROG build) |
| 22:24.57 | econdudeawesome | towo`: will restart and return to report |
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| 22:26.56 | winsen | I wonder if it just calls 'pdf' instead evince? |
| 22:27.20 | towo` | sgflt, can you paste your x-log? |
| 22:27.54 | sgflt | towo`: i'll have to copy it over from the other machine first, 1 sec |
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| 22:29.21 | econdudeawesome | no luck. Only option i saw was to change the on-board graphics |
| 22:31.26 | econdudeawesome | Given I have an Nvidia card ... should I just try to install the nvidia driver again? |
| 22:31.32 | sgflt | towo`: http://paste.debian.net/901757/ |
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| 22:31.53 | sgflt | towo`: i'd think the issue's in (WW) intel(0): Unknown chipset but i don't know, honestly =0 |
| 22:32.18 | sgflt | econdudeawesome: try disabling one or the other in the bios. mine offers selecting which graphics card to use and switch the internal graphics on/off |
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| 22:32.33 | econdudeawesome | sgflt: I didn't see any options of the sort |
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| 22:33.05 | towo` | sgflt, and you have the non-free firmware installed? |
| 22:35.32 | sgflt | towo`: i have firmware-{amd-graphics,linux-free,linux-nonfree,misc-nonfree,realtek},intel-microcode,amd64-microcode |
| 22:35.54 | sgflt | econdudeawesome: hmm, sorry, out of ideas then. i've never run into a bios that did not offer the option |
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| 22:36.22 | sgflt | towo`: there's also a trace in my dmesg... |
| 22:36.31 | towo` | sgflt, you do not have installed xserver-xorg-video intel from backports |
| 22:36.37 | towo` | sgflt, module version = 2.21.15 |
| 22:36.45 | towo` | that's the normal jessie version |
| 22:36.59 | towo` | you need 2.99.xx |
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| 22:37.22 | sgflt | towo`: http://paste.debian.net/901758/ -- the dmesg |
| 22:37.25 | sgflt | um |
| 22:37.36 | sgflt | i installed using apt-get install -t jessie-backports xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 22:37.41 | sgflt | i guess i need to use upgrade? |
| 22:38.00 | towo` | sgflt, no |
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| 22:38.49 | towo` | sgflt, apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 22:38.58 | sgflt | towo`: hold on, i think there's a typo in my jessie-backports sources.list.d |
| 22:39.02 | sgflt | towo`: let me check that first |
| 22:39.26 | towo` | the ddx from backports is nessesary for skylake |
| 22:39.55 | sgflt | towo`: xserver-xorg-video-intel seems to pull in a lot of mesa stuff |
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| 22:40.04 | sgflt | do i still need to explicitly add mesa? |
| 22:40.05 | jim | how can I find out which version of kde I'm running (debian jessie)? also, if the menu bar of konsole is gone, how to get it back? |
| 22:40.35 | towo` | sgflt, you have to make sure, you have installed the needed mesa packages if you want to use gnome or cinnamon |
| 22:41.17 | sgflt | i see. how do i find out the correct package name? there's usually a lot of mesa packages in my experience |
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| 22:42.15 | towo` | sgflt, at minimum you need libgl1-mesa-glx libgl1-mesa-dri |
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| 22:42.39 | towo` | but i would install all mesa packages |
| 22:42.49 | sgflt | towo`: wow, thanks. x is running now. i still can't find a package with ddx in the name though (apt-cache search ddx) |
| 22:43.00 | sgflt | towo`: i was hoping for a "all mesa" metapackage |
| 22:43.08 | towo` | ddx is not a package name |
| 22:43.18 | satbyy | ,v kde-baseapps |
| 22:43.19 | judd | Package: kde-baseapps on amd64 -- wheezy: 4:4.8.4-2; jessie: 4:4.14.2-1; stretch: 4:16.08.2-1; sid: 4:16.08.3-1; stretch: 4:16.08.3-1 |
| 22:43.28 | satbyy | jim ^ |
| 22:43.55 | towo` | sgflt, https://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/DDX/ |
| 22:44.14 | sgflt | towo`: thanks. |
| 22:44.30 | sgflt | towo`: it's been very helpful. i'll try to take it from here, don't want to take up more of your time. |
| 22:44.37 | sgflt | cheers =) |
| 22:44.50 | towo` | np |
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| 22:56.52 | Alexej | Hi |
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| 22:57.14 | Alexej | Well, I would like to ask a question |
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| 22:57.33 | Alexej | How did you all manage upgrade from jessie to stretch ? |
| 22:57.41 | ferna | Hello if kill -9 fails to kill a process what to do? |
| 22:58.00 | Alexej | I ended up in dependency hell with changing libstdc++6 |
| 22:58.03 | cheesus | Alexej: use synaptic? You /can/ update your sources.list but it's really, really, really not recommended |
| 22:58.20 | cheesus | Alexej: I recommend getting that package manually and installing it with dpkg -i |
| 22:58.25 | Alexej | I do things oldschool terminal way |
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| 22:58.40 | cheesus | Alexej: well, I just updated my sources.list - but I, too, ended up in dependency hell |
| 22:58.45 | cheesus | Alexej: mine was a libpng |
| 22:58.46 | Alexej | well I have e everything downloaded in /var/apt/cache |
| 22:59.00 | cheesus | Alexej: well then dpkg -i should fix it |
| 22:59.09 | Alexej | my problem is terrible because I am blocked at libapt |
| 22:59.11 | nielmnon | hello there! someone can see this message from me, or it's invisible? |
| 22:59.13 | teraflops | :S |
| 22:59.19 | gry | it's visible nielmnon |
| 22:59.19 | cheesus | nielmnon: I can't see a thing |
| 22:59.23 | Alexej | libapt woud break apt |
| 22:59.27 | Alexej | and etc |
| 22:59.28 | ferna | nielmnon: i see you |
| 22:59.30 | nielmnon | gry, thanks! |
| 22:59.34 | gry | welcome |
| 22:59.49 | cheesus | Alexej: so you need to install an older version of libapt or no |
| 23:00.23 | Alexej | Extracting templates from packages: 31%apt-extracttemplates: error while loading shared libraries: libapt-pkg.so.5.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 23:00.26 | Alexej | debconf: apt-extracttemplates failed: No such file or directory |
| 23:00.39 | cheesus | Alexej: so you need to install that libapt package |
| 23:00.39 | Alexej | mi dist-upgrade failed at this |
| 23:00.47 | cheesus | Alexej: you can do that with dpkg -i "package" |
| 23:00.50 | Alexej | well but it needs libstdc++6 |
| 23:00.53 | ferna | If kill -9 fails to kill a process what to do? |
| 23:00.59 | cheesus | Alexej: well do you know or don't you |
| 23:01.00 | Alexej | and it will need something also ... |
| 23:01.05 | nielmnon | i have really simple task to do and i wish someone could help me to resolve this. i need alsamixer [not gui] to run with pnmixer. what is the command to run alsamixer in the terminal alltogether? |
| 23:01.19 | towo` | ferna, then it's maybe a zombie and all youi can do is reboot |
| 23:01.23 | cheesus | nielmnon: alsamixer |
| 23:01.24 | Alexej | well I am douing dpkg -i , it does not help ;-) |
| 23:01.43 | cheesus | Alexej: are you doing 'dpkg -i' with the correct libapt package as its argument? |
| 23:01.52 | Alexej | but I would expect, that these things does not go baaad in Debian |
| 23:02.03 | Alexej | I used Arch and Gentoo for many years |
| 23:02.04 | nielmnon | for an example, i have already there [pnmixer] alsamixergui, but is it possible to run this command - alsamixer via terminal? |
| 23:02.24 | cheesus | nielmnon: yes, you just type alsamixer to run alsamixer |
| 23:03.07 | MrHyde_ | hey i have a x1 carbon 3rd gen and I cant get a good resolution for grub ... looks like 16 colors only |
| 23:03.19 | MrHyde_ | I tried a couple of things but nothing really works |
| 23:03.19 | Alexej | cheesus: libapt-pkg5.0:amd64 depends on libstdc++6 (>= 5.2); however: Version of libstdc++6:amd64 on system is 4.9.2-10. |
| 23:03.19 | nielmnon | cheesus, oh, so sorry i don't know how to explain. i know that, but i need [you know maybe how it looks when you run settings of pnmixer]? |
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| 23:03.50 | MrHyde_ | any idea ? |
| 23:03.53 | cheesus | Alexej: so manually get libstdc++6 >=5.2 and run dpkg -i on it |
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| 23:04.08 | nielmnon | cheesus, i need to run in the same time with one click alsamixer/terminal. not first terminal and than to type alsamixer |
| 23:04.15 | cheesus | nielmnon: My bad! No, I'm not sure what's up with pmixer :( |
| 23:04.21 | Alexej | cheesus: |
| 23:04.22 | Alexej | error processing archive libstdc++6_6.2.1-5_amd64.deb (--install): installing libstdc++6:amd64 would break digikam-private-libs, and deconfiguration is not permitted (--auto-deconfigure might help) |
| 23:04.43 | Alexej | I am thinking about forcing it |
| 23:04.45 | nielmnon | cheesus, oh, ok. i hope i will find here answer |
| 23:04.47 | teraflops | cheesus: stop suggesting such things pleae |
| 23:04.56 | teraflops | please * |
| 23:05.28 | zykotick9 | nielmnon: most terminals have a ".. -e foo" option. for example "urxvt -e htop" |
| 23:05.47 | nielmnon | zykotick9, oh, you know what i talking about, right? |
| 23:06.02 | nielmnon | zykotick9, i need very simple solution for this, can you help me? |
| 23:06.03 | ferna | Thank You towo` |
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| 23:06.14 | nielmnon | zykotick9, you know how pnmixer looks like? |
| 23:06.15 | cheesus | teraflops: word, just how I fixed my libpng problem. Manually installed and packaged the file when the dependency broke. |
| 23:06.21 | zykotick9 | nielmnon: try "xterm -e alsamixer" |
| 23:06.23 | Alexej | cheesus: --force-all on libstdc++6 went through |
| 23:06.31 | nielmnon | zykotick9, ok, i will try right now |
| 23:06.33 | cheesus | Alexej: glad to hear it |
| 23:06.35 | zykotick9 | nielmnon: sorry i have no idea what pnmixer is... |
| 23:06.37 | Alexej | cheesus: will see at what cost ;-) |
| 23:06.44 | cheesus | Alexej: xD |
| 23:07.12 | random_numbers | Hey there. Not currently having the funds to get enough harddrives to use brtfs, is there a better option than par2 for protection against file corruption? |
| 23:07.12 | Alexej | cheesus: how is possible that such important package such as apt can break during dist-upgrade ? |
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| 23:07.31 | teraflops | nielmnon: you can even pass args as in $1 |
| 23:07.37 | nielmnon | Unable to launch volume command "xterm -e alsamixer". |
| 23:07.57 | Alexej | even Gentoo did not have a problem with emerge during update |
| 23:08.14 | Alexej | well Arch one day just failed completely |
| 23:08.16 | nielmnon | teraflops, what's that means? can you give me more? |
| 23:08.23 | teraflops | hehe |
| 23:08.38 | teraflops | nielmnon: how are you a lunching it? |
| 23:08.40 | Alexej | after 4 times trying to update it, I reinstalled :D |
| 23:09.02 | Alexej | and I even linked all libraries manually by linker runtime |
| 23:09.34 | cheesus | Alexej: Wish I could tell you about the innerds of debian - I only recommended my course of action based on a similar problem |
| 23:09.38 | nielmnon | teraflops, this command [xterm -r alsamixer] i run now in pnmixer volume control command |
| 23:10.52 | teraflops | idk what pnmixer is |
| 23:10.55 | nielmnon | teraflops, i need alsamixer with terminal to run in the same time, like any gui mixer from pnmixer, settings, volume control - command |
| 23:11.15 | Alexej | cheesus: I hope I will one day find a system, that will do updates without pain ;-) |
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| 23:11.32 | nielmnon | such as: alsamixergui, pavucontrol, etc |
| 23:12.02 | teraflops | yeah but idk what pnmixer is |
| 23:12.06 | nielmnon | teraflops, pnmixer is volume control app in the tray |
| 23:12.26 | nielmnon | it's not volume control. that app can run audio mixers |
| 23:12.45 | nielmnon | pavucontrol, alsamixergui and i need terminal/alsamixer |
| 23:13.26 | cheesus | Alexej: I hope one day I'll understand a system well enough that it's painless to update it :) |
| 23:13.59 | teraflops | nielmnon: where do you put xterm command? inside some sort of configuration menu entry? |
| 23:14.11 | nielmnon | teraflops, yep |
| 23:14.22 | nielmnon | do you want screen shot how it looks? |
| 23:14.41 | teraflops | nielmnon: nah |
| 23:14.45 | nielmnon | ok |
| 23:14.46 | random_numbers | I seem to find nothing that could serve a cheap alternative to full-blown zfs/brtfs. |
| 23:15.58 | teraflops | nielmnon: if you put "alsamixer" what happens? |
| 23:16.09 | nielmnon | teraflops, nothing |
| 23:16.55 | teraflops | nielmnon: which one is your terminal client? |
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| 23:17.42 | nielmnon | teraflops, it looks like that i need to run terminal with alsamixer alltogether, but i dont know command. like zykotick9 said: xterm -e alsamixer sound very good, but not work like that |
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| 23:18.03 | nielmnon | teraflops, mate-terminal |
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| 23:18.30 | teraflops | nielmnon: I still dont get what you want, maybe the screencapture is a good idea |
| 23:19.00 | nielmnon | teraflops, sure, i will sent you here right now |
| 23:19.05 | teraflops | k |
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| 23:19.43 | random_numbers | I had the idea of a python script that would build an sqlite db relative to a given root, then save inode (prevent hardlinks from causing trouble), path + filename and a par2 file to the db. Thing is, I'd need to somehow link it to the ext4 journaling so files that were intentionally written-to just raise alarms instead of being reset to an earlier state. |
| 23:20.01 | random_numbers | Does anyone know of a pre-existent program that has less flaws than what I'm thinking I might end up having to make myself? |
| 23:21.17 | nielmnon | teraflops, here it is: https://s27.postimg.org/vet49rhtf/screencap.jpg |
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| 23:22.12 | Alexej | cheesus: well that would be nice, but I do not think this is the issue ;-) |
| 23:22.54 | Alexej | cheesus: I understood gentoo in a great way, but still, not all updates were orginezed flawslessly by maintaniners |
| 23:23.00 | teraflops | nielmnon: wait are both options related as in alsamixer is cntrolled by the mouse command at the bottom? |
| 23:23.13 | Alexej | cheesus: seems to be also the case in Debian |
| 23:23.20 | teraflops | nielmnon: if yes that won't work |
| 23:23.29 | nielmnon | no, this is independent |
| 23:23.32 | teraflops | ah |
| 23:24.08 | Alexej | cheesus: |
| 23:24.11 | Alexej | Removing texlive-generic-recommended (2013.20130918-1) ... |
| 23:24.11 | Alexej | (Reading database ... 316700 files and directories currently installed.) |
| 23:24.11 | Alexej | Preparing to unpack .../texlive-latex-base-doc_2016.20161130-1_all.deb ... |
| 23:24.11 | Alexej | Unpacking texlive-latex-base-doc (2016.20161130-1) over (2013.20130918-1) ... |
| 23:24.11 | Alexej | dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/texlive-latex-base-doc_2016.20161130-1_all.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite '/usr/share/doc/texlive-doc/latex/url/miscdoc.sty', which is also in package texlive-latex-recommended-doc 2013.20130918-1 |
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| 23:24.13 | dpkg | alexej: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 23:24.29 | teraflops | nielmnon: try quoting it, just guessing since idk how that mixer handles it |
| 23:24.45 | Alexej | cheesus: did my message made it through ? |
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| 23:25.18 | Alexej | cheesus: I have this error again and again |
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| 23:25.24 | nielmnon | teraflops, how you mean to qute it this? |
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| 23:25.59 | teraflops | nielmnon: e.g gnome-terminal -e "alsamixer" |
| 23:26.57 | nielmnon | aha, i see. i will try! thanks teraflops for helping me, i'm going now off! i will try with this tomorrow. |
| 23:27.10 | teraflops | np good luck |
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