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| 00:11.40 | Old_Dog | Is there something wrong with using Rufus for making bootable USB drives? |
| 00:14.15 | somiaj | Old_Dog: it is known to break debian .iso images, most things that arne't a pure raw write do. |
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| 00:14.38 | somiaj | Old_Dog: using it for other images is fine, but you may want to ask creaters of such images. Are you tyring to write a debian .iso image to usb from what os? |
| 00:15.33 | Old_Dog | somiaj thanks it has a dd option. do you know if that works properly or not? |
| 00:15.35 | GJdan | Does anyone know a way to get python3.4 or later in Wheezy? |
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| 00:15.49 | GJdan | in this situation, updating to jessie is very undesirable |
| 00:17.14 | magyar | hi, how can I install flash plugin for chromium in jessie ? |
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| 00:19.24 | somiaj | Old_Dog: I would just use cp personally. cp file.iso /dev/sdwhatever (make sure you get the device correct, and put it on the device -- not the first partition) |
| 00:19.34 | somiaj | Old_Dog: but dd works too, and I cna suggest windows apps if needed. |
| 00:19.42 | awal1 | ,v pepper-flash-plugin-nonfree |
| 00:19.44 | judd | No package named 'pepper-flash-plugin-nonfree' was found in amd64. |
| 00:19.46 | somiaj | GJdan: use a veritual enviorment |
| 00:19.56 | somiaj | awal1: pepperflash-plugin-nonfree |
| 00:20.06 | awal1 | ,v pepperflash-plugin-nonfree |
| 00:20.07 | judd | No package named 'pepperflash-plugin-nonfree' was found in amd64. |
| 00:20.20 | awal1 | ,v pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
| 00:20.21 | judd | Package: pepperflashplugin-nonfree on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/contrib: 1.4~bpo60+1; jessie/contrib: 1.8.1+deb8u1; sid/contrib: 1.8.3 |
| 00:20.23 | somiaj | GJdan: python does a really good job letting you install a different version and everything you need in a python virtual enviroment. I think wheezy has the packages to set on eup |
| 00:20.28 | awal1 | :P |
| 00:20.37 | awal1 | magyar: ^ |
| 00:20.39 | Old_Dog | Thanks somiaj. I appreciate your response. thank you |
| 00:21.25 | awal1 | magyar: add contrib component to your apt sources file then install pepperflashplugin-nonfree pkg |
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| 00:24.02 | magyar | awal1: tried that, but that package is broken |
| 00:24.08 | awal1 | if you want to have peepper running with firefox, check browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash, as an alternative for the very outdated flashplugin-nonfree (adobe flash plugin) |
| 00:24.11 | GJdan | somiaj: I'm familiar with using virtual envs to install different python packages and depedencies without messing with the system, but I had understood that you can't install a whole different python version in a venv |
| 00:24.56 | GJdan | to install a virtual env of a particular python version you still need the version in question to be installed system-wide, no? |
| 00:25.06 | somiaj | GJdan: you can set up a python virtual enviroment to be any python version you want including all the additional stuff with it. Onc einside the virtual env, you can juts use pip to install stuff |
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| 00:25.22 | Vizva | i use the outdated plugin in a virtualbox linux, so nothing could harm |
| 00:25.31 | awal1 | well, all flash stuff are right now buggy, even under testing/unstable. I guess it's bcuz almost all websites are switching to html5 right now, magyar |
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| 00:25.37 | magyar | awal1: actually the flashplugin-nonfree is the only one that is maintained at the moment and installs the latest flash for mozilla |
| 00:25.42 | somiaj | GJdan: no, you install a version inside the virtual enviroment I thought. I could be wrong, but here I have a sagemath version of python that is completely seperate from my jessie system one |
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| 00:26.46 | awal1 | magyar: I dont know if the broken state is from the plugin of the websites |
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| 00:27.12 | Esteban | I have a wierd problem with a package existing in the archive but not available in apt* ? |
| 00:27.24 | awal1 | but pepper works for me reasonably fine (unstable). I dont run flash on jessie |
| 00:28.14 | somiaj | GJdan: I'm unsure on the details on how to set it up though |
| 00:29.56 | somiaj | GJdan: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1534210/use-different-python-version-with-virtualenv -- looks like you may have to compile python from source and install it in say $HOME/.localpython/ and then tell the virutal enviroment to use that version of python |
| 00:30.14 | somiaj | GJdan: this should be okay, just keep the local build out side of system PATHs |
| 00:30.49 | somiaj | GJdan: see second answer of that link |
| 00:31.04 | GJdan | I see |
| 00:31.10 | GJdan | thanks, I'll give that a try |
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| 00:32.18 | awal1 | magyar: if you can avoid flash that will be better for you bcuz of security/privacy reasons. pepper is stuck in version 1.8 since a while now; usually it's updated every 2 months, following adobe upstream |
| 00:33.15 | awal1 | probably like 3 months now without updates ^ |
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| 00:33.33 | magyar | that is the problem, adobe has been removed from the chrome plugin package by google |
| 00:33.40 | somiaj | there was a change in how upstream deals with this and debian hasn't adopted. Just go get pepperflash from adobe and install it locally (in $HOME/.mozilla/firefox/plugins or something like that |
| 00:33.49 | unborn | anyone familiar with dnsmasq on debian? I cannot get it working and google is no help |
| 00:34.04 | somiaj | yea, adobe now just provides the plugin, no need for the script to rip it from google-crhome anymore |
| 00:34.14 | magyar | somiaj: this is for chromium |
| 00:34.16 | somiaj | unborn: what have you tried? did you echo 1 into /sys/something/ip_forward. |
| 00:34.35 | unborn | im trying to use it just for blocking.. no dhcp or anything else.. somiaj address=/facebook.com/127.0.0.1 |
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| 00:35.10 | somiaj | unborn: OH I see, not that familar with dnsmasq configuration |
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| 00:36.59 | awal1 | magyar: just a trivial info: now even chromium, by default, have "ask for enable flash" and uses html5 where possible; before it was "enable flash" as default |
| 00:38.04 | somiaj | magyar: http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer.html -- get the PAPI one for chormium/chrome |
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| 00:39.16 | somiaj | though that is the beta version, trying to find the regular download. But anyways adobe is being better again at supporting linux and unsure if debian scripts will start pulling flash from there again as opposed to ripping it out of google-chrome as they have for a while |
| 00:39.54 | Esteban | unborn i know fuckall about dns and I can make dnsmasq work ok? |
| 00:40.25 | somiaj | magyar: https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/?no_redirect |
| 00:40.43 | Esteban | what's the specific problem? |
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| 00:42.11 | unborn | Esteban: im trying to use it just for blocking.. no dhcp or anything else like everything from address=/facebook.com/127.0.0.1 |
| 00:42.24 | unborn | means *.facebook.com |
| 00:42.29 | Esteban | i just use a banneradverthosts file or something |
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| 00:43.22 | kjvhv | welcome |
| 00:43.38 | unborn | Esteban: please - I have no time to update subdomains on hosts files like this.. dnsmasq means you add domain and it you are done |
| 00:43.40 | Esteban | i see, dunno, my list is for specifc hosts only |
| 00:43.43 | Esteban | eg 127.0.0.1 180searchassistant.com |
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| 00:44.18 | Esteban | does 127.0.0.1 facebook.com |
| 00:44.26 | Esteban | block all variants.facebook.com ? |
| 00:44.30 | kjvhv | no |
| 00:44.42 | magyar | somiaj: didn't work :( No adobe plugin after extraction |
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| 00:45.08 | unborn | Esteban: you dont understand.. you will have to add each subdomain into host file which is - not what I mean |
| 00:45.13 | magyar | somiaj: the instruction is to unzip it in "/usr/lib/adobe-flashplugin/" |
| 00:46.06 | somiaj | magyar: using chromium? |
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| 00:46.44 | unborn | Esteban: goal is to block automatically anything.domain.com without any specification.. dnsmasq is fantastic for this however I think in jessie it is not working, no matter what I do |
| 00:47.22 | Esteban | yeah, i don't know. I read the manpage |
| 00:47.33 | badbug | is it possible to debootstrap myself a brand new disk image, then dd the completed image to running root partition, and expect to be able to subsequently reboot into the new system? |
| 00:47.37 | magyar | somiaj: yes |
| 00:47.38 | Esteban | It seems to work for me on my servers? |
| 00:48.21 | Esteban | but I only use it for ad servers, havent tried blocking facebook ads for example |
| 00:48.57 | magyar | somiaj: chrome://plugins/ doesn't show the flash plugin |
| 00:49.05 | kjvhv | if you want to block facebook, start with something like this in the hostfile. https://justpaste.it/11ftj |
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| 00:49.21 | kjvhv | but i bet the hydra has many more heads (domains) |
| 00:49.48 | magyar | somiaj: not sure how the chromium browser reads information about the installed plugins |
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| 00:51.35 | Esteban | kjvhv: unborn so list them explicitly |
| 00:51.41 | Esteban | cool |
| 00:52.58 | unborn | Esteban: if it works.. would you mind to paste somewhere dnsmasq.conf file? |
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| 00:54.22 | somiaj | magyar: trying to figure out where to put the plugin so it isn't system wide |
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| 00:55.47 | awal1 | so adobe flash isn't going to die? :P |
| 00:56.14 | kjvhv | i wish i knew |
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| 00:57.01 | awal1 | well, if adobe is going to support linux again for flash stuff, as somiaj says, seems it's not going to die |
| 00:57.10 | kjvhv | i don't install flash, gnash, etc. If that breaks a site, i don't use the site no more |
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| 00:58.07 | pingfloyd | that shows the site is lazy and doesn't keep up |
| 00:58.12 | kjvhv | adobe pdf reader = 150 mb? that means adobe is incompetent, so i install nothing from them |
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| 01:00.18 | kjvhv | 150 mb, in efficient code, rather seems enough to operate a nuclear plant |
| 01:00.39 | Maskara | there so many viewers out there some less than a meg |
| 01:00.46 | kjvhv | yes |
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| 01:00.51 | kjvhv | and working |
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| 01:02.33 | alrogts | Hello, GNOME nautilus 3.14.1 keeps crashing in debian 8.6 stable when right clicking a file and clicking properties |
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| 01:03.24 | Maskara | crashing and debian does not belong in the same sentence |
| 01:03.54 | Maskara | therefore (points at gnome) |
| 01:05.16 | nano_python | awal1, Flash is on the way out as I see it, more websites are using html5 video player. Most youtube videos don't need flash, big websites like twitch.tv started using html also. |
| 01:05.40 | alrogts | oh well, any idea what to do with a nautilus that's not responding? :P |
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| 01:06.01 | awal1 | nano_python: that's true, yeah. even porn websites are switching to html5 :D |
| 01:06.30 | nano_python | awal1, Yes, so I've been told :p |
| 01:07.22 | Maskara | i have debian and mate and its pretty good ...i read somewhere mate was the next stepo from gnome |
| 01:07.24 | awal1 | sadly, some live news websites I brows sometimes still with flash |
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| 01:07.59 | Maskara | netflix in flash still |
| 01:08.34 | nano_python | Maskara, They have html5 options now. |
| 01:09.03 | somiaj | magyar: hmm, well unsure what directory chromium needs and can't find the info out, but coppying libpepflashplayer.so to /usr/lib/pepperflashplugin-nonfree/ worked here to get the newest 24.0.0.186 version |
| 01:09.05 | Maskara | i suspect its why they came up wth that new download option ..lol |
| 01:09.16 | awal1 | gnome-shell is really not a nice/suitable interface for desktop |
| 01:09.51 | nano_python | If only they could drop the damn drm crap so I didn't need chrome to watch on linux. |
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| 01:10.06 | Maskara | indeed |
| 01:10.11 | awal1 | even for laptops. maybe for phones/tablets. maybe gnome will chose mate or xfce as default, even if default is just formal :P |
| 01:10.26 | awal1 | maybe debian ^ |
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| 01:10.40 | awal1 | someday ... |
| 01:11.32 | nano_python | I'm a big KDE fan, never liked where gnome was going. Can't wait for the next stable to have a solid version of plasma desktop. |
| 01:12.26 | Maskara | plasma looks so polished |
| 01:12.45 | nano_python | Yea, it runs like a dream even on unstable atm. |
| 01:12.48 | Maskara | i just assumed my pos netbook would choke |
| 01:13.25 | awal1 | I'm being off-topic, sorry, but I think that debian and ubuntu gnome DD's/maintainers fans have a lot of "weight" in debian project |
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| 01:15.08 | magyar | somiaj: that is the dir pepperflash package installes it's plugin, so I guess it's configured in one of the chromium internal options |
| 01:15.13 | Maskara | i always thought debian the cutting edge guys aspire for debian stability while they balance all the new fahngled stuff |
| 01:15.16 | magyar | somiaj: that also works for me |
| 01:15.20 | magyar | somiaj: thanks |
| 01:15.47 | awal1 | I tried gnome recently and I had to spend like 15 minutes for find the options in system settings for config screen blanking. so more easier with gnome-shell isn't really true |
| 01:16.06 | somiaj | magyar: yea, I'm disapointed that .config/chromium/plugins didn't work or I coudl'nt fiugre out a local way to install that didn't require the system dir |
| 01:16.31 | magyar | :) |
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| 01:18.49 | kjvhv | i like xfce. i like windows xp. in my opinion the linux community humiliated itself, when it followed the example of windows 8, with similar crappy approaches. |
| 01:19.10 | kjvhv | i am always on old hardware, too |
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| 01:20.00 | unborn | kjvhv: I would rather say windows 8 was copying stuff from linux regards gui.. |
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| 01:20.20 | kjvhv | yes? then shame on linux :) |
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| 01:21.15 | unborn | kjvhv: why? |
| 01:21.19 | kjvhv | was that the plasma desktop in ubuntu, that made me believe i was in windows 8 hell? |
| 01:21.43 | Maskara | i always keep old hardware to tinker with |
| 01:21.43 | Maskara | lol |
| 01:21.57 | kjvhv | because the app / smartphone centered approach is crap in my view |
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| 01:22.17 | Maskara | im dying to try remix tho |
| 01:22.19 | unborn | im on old hardware too.. debian gnome works perfectly |
| 01:23.34 | n4dir | depends what you consider old, i guess |
| 01:24.01 | unborn | kjvhv: coming from gnome 2 to gnome 3 was shock for me but in end of the day - its doable - thanks to extentions you can do a bit mods here and there.. defo better then unity.. |
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| 01:24.35 | unborn | n4dir: 2013? I mean for me its not that old but - its old :) |
| 01:24.54 | kjvhv | yes, unity was that very bad desktop. i don't understand why to |
| 01:25.00 | n4dir | see. i would call that pretty new. |
| 01:25.00 | kjvhv | mix everything up |
| 01:25.23 | kjvhv | i don't need more, than a linear menu, and simple window manager |
| 01:25.37 | kjvhv | and icons |
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| 01:27.05 | unborn | im pretty happy with gnome 3 right now.. but I will see my other options as with each new gnome release more and more stuff gets removed |
| 01:29.11 | kjvhv | windows 8 has been a crime to make the world unproductive, and hide all the progranms from you |
| 01:29.25 | kjvhv | madness |
| 01:30.07 | kjvhv | same with unity |
| 01:30.18 | n4dir | you could always try bblean, but i am not sure if it works with win8 |
| 01:30.57 | kjvhv | yes, but why would i want to install some os, that i have to fix, to make it approachable |
| 01:31.05 | bazhang | I thought this was the windows channel |
| 01:31.20 | n4dir | hence i didn't fool with windows for a couple of years anymore |
| 01:31.25 | unborn | bazhang: you thought wrong |
| 01:31.26 | Maskara | this new combo with lxde and i think slax is damn good ...can load the entire os to ram |
| 01:31.36 | Maskara | called porteus |
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| 01:32.03 | Maskara | wifi right out of the box ..etc |
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| 01:32.54 | Maskara | its like the last sane step before u descend to raspi2 hell |
| 01:33.16 | Maskara | or more appropriately tinycore hell |
| 01:33.42 | Delf | When I connect my logitech headset clear chat usb when the computer is started, I get different types of profiles all the time. Sometimes no input and only output, sometimes only output, no input. But if they're connected at boot both shows. If memory serves there's some issues with pulse and alsa racing? |
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| 01:34.40 | Maskara | i\ve seen something like that but my issue was with usb overload |
| 01:35.15 | Delf | I'm experiencing the same with creative usb hd performance too |
| 01:35.49 | Delf | "Creative USB Sound Blaster HD" |
| 01:36.24 | Delf | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/1036979 |
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| 01:37.52 | Delf | When the computer shuts down, sometimes it does not "properly" turn off the creative usb and so it ends up in a bad condition, next time I start computer it doesn't work. Unplugging and plugging it back in makes it partially work⦠issues with profiles |
| 01:38.52 | Delf | So I have to shut down, unplug, plug back in then start the computer. Which is getting irritating⦠Running Debian Jessie |
| 01:39.42 | unborn | when machine is off, it should not have affect to plug or unplug usb.. as it would be dead |
| 01:40.30 | Delf | Kernel is 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64, from backports |
| 01:40.53 | kjvhv | do you use hibernate/suspend powerstates? tends to complicate stuff. |
| 01:40.54 | Delf | Since it's connected to usb hub, it still has power |
| 01:41.02 | Delf | kjvhv: No, never |
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| 01:42.28 | Delf | Running with multi-seat too but I don't know if that's got anything to do with the shut down problem. However, the plugging in while computer is on makes things irritating. For example when friend comes over and he takes his own headset with him and connect to usb, I must reboot computer, otherwise he only get either input or output sound, not both. |
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| 01:44.24 | kjvhv | test around, eliminate use of the hub. reconfigure, reinstall driver packages, etc. |
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| 01:45.15 | Delf | That I have yet to try. I'll try connecting usb headset to motherboard now and see what audio profiles I'll get |
| 01:46.06 | kjvhv | i don't even understand what an audio profile is supposed to be |
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| 01:48.37 | Delf | http://i.stack.imgur.com/69R2V.png |
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| 01:51.57 | Delf | Strange enough, with creative hs-1200 headset, there's no issues with the profiles. Output and input seems to appear all the time. But the logitech clear chat usb and the creative x-fi usb hd⦠there's issues |
| 01:52.52 | Delf | WTF!? Just tried them too, they seem to work. Has there recently been a fix? |
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| 01:55.40 | kjvhv | for sure there is something colliding. complex functionality of the headsets, like dolby modes. then the gui of the audio config, and the underlying sound sytem. or even more basic stuff, like usb itself. |
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| 01:56.01 | kjvhv | i wouldn't know |
| 01:56.16 | Esteban | You have searched for packages that names contain virtualbox in suite(s) stretch, all sections, and all architectures. Found 1 matching packages |
| 01:56.26 | Esteban | why are there no virtualbox packages for testing? |
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| 01:56.51 | Esteban | am I doing it wrong? |
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| 01:58.31 | n4dir | packages.debian.org doesn't list it neither. only guest-additions. either you wait a bit or you install it from sid |
| 01:59.32 | n4dir | even better wold be to ask in #debian-next though. |
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| 02:01.55 | Esteban | n4dir: yeah it's been strange for a while. It's only for a VM so I'm going to try jessie-backports versions first |
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| 02:02.46 | n4dir | ah, for a while now. Like said, i would go for the sid version, but that's your choice. The bot has a how-to, but i can't talk with the bot |
| 02:02.49 | Esteban | #debian-next hey |
| 02:03.15 | Esteban | I'm kinda limited with irc from where I am |
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| 02:03.22 | Esteban | cool thanks for the tips |
| 02:04.06 | n4dir | in short and half-wrong you add the sid list, in either apt.conf or preferences you make testing the default release, and with "apt-get install -t sid <pkg> "you install from sid |
| 02:04.10 | Delf | It happened again now, only input showing, not output. Maybe it's got to do with multiseat? |
| 02:04.18 | n4dir | but don't take my word for it, its from the top of my head |
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| 02:07.05 | Delf | Strange, input shows on one seat while the output is on the other seat, both don't show on the seat it's connected to. Perhaps it's got to do with one of the users on a seat that's in the "audio" group which one isn't suppose to be in when doing multiseat |
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| 02:08.33 | kjvhv | good luck. time to go sleeping for kjvhv! |
| 02:08.38 | kjvhv | bye |
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| 02:16.59 | chicognu | how to I remove only a package installed and preserve all dependencies ? |
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| 02:24.54 | liiozx | a |
| 02:25.32 | Epakai | dpkg -r package, assuming nothing depends on package |
| 02:25.32 | dpkg | removes package, assuming nothing depends on package along with a pound of flesh from epakai's body, then staples epakai back up with a staple gun. |
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| 02:26.11 | Epakai | thanks dpkg |
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| 02:30.38 | awal1 | chicognu: well, if pkg A is a dependency for pkg B and C, when you remove C, A will not be removed bcuz B needs it. so just do apt/aptitude/apt-get remove or purge pkgname |
| 02:31.13 | awal1 | but, why the hell you want A if you remove B and C? |
| 02:31.43 | awal1 | I guess that's what you want according to your question :P |
| 02:32.38 | chicognu | awal1, but A is a dependency to pkg B and I need to remove B only is it possible ? |
| 02:33.14 | n4dir | then apt shouldn't remove it, assuming i understand you correct |
| 02:33.22 | awal1 | chicognu: yes you can |
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| 02:34.20 | awal1 | just run apt/apt-get remove. don't run autoremove or aptitude purge |
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| 02:35.30 | awal1 | i meant not apt/apt-get/aptitude purge ; not apt/apt-get autoremove |
| 02:35.46 | awal1 | chicognu: why you want to do that? |
| 02:36.25 | chicognu | awal1, I'm with some problems with a package from repository and not with the compiled package |
| 02:36.41 | awal1 | why you want pkg A if not needed by any other pkg or by yourself? |
| 02:37.17 | chicognu | awal1, Because A is needed by the package compiled by hand |
| 02:37.19 | awal1 | pkg from repository? |
| 02:37.22 | chicognu | yes |
| 02:37.35 | awal1 | oh, ok |
| 02:38.32 | awal1 | also, you may achieve that marking A as manually installed |
| 02:38.40 | n4dir | chicognu: there is a command for aptitude (or apt-get or both), you can tell a dependency was installed on it's own. As i never needed it, i don't remember it |
| 02:38.47 | awal1 | apt-mark manual pkgA |
| 02:39.38 | chicognu | awal1, that is better, because I will not see thousands of "unnecessary packages" |
| 02:40.01 | chicognu | n4dir, awal1 thanks :D |
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| 02:41.18 | awal1 | chicognu: n4dirs suggestion is interesting too if you find the command |
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| 02:42.15 | n4dir | awal1: might well be i meant apt-mark. i only know there is a way to mark it (and apt-mark seems to make sense :-) ) |
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| 02:58.17 | pingfloyd | chicognu: the by hand package doesn't have pkg A listed as a dependency when it really depends on it? |
| 02:59.31 | chicognu | pingfloyd, no. |
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| 03:14.02 | cha18 | I isntalled linux-image-amd64 through jessie-backports, it installed. how do I continue...? uname-r still says 3.1.6 or whatever. |
| 03:14.06 | cha18 | reboot ? |
| 03:14.27 | cha18 | intent being to upgrade kernel to 4.6 |
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| 04:11.33 | awal1 | How to emulate mouse button 1 ? (for select purpose in terminal) I mean assign keyboard key for mouse button 1 for be able to select using keyboard only |
| 04:12.19 | somiaj | use tmux or screen which have keyboard selection tools |
| 04:13.03 | somiaj | I think there are cli tools to put something into the clipboard, but this won't let you select something without a mouse unless you are running inside of tmux or screen |
| 04:13.06 | awal1 | yeah, googling, I have foud that only tmux and screen have native support for that |
| 04:14.35 | l4m8d4 | /buffer/buffer 6 |
| 04:14.39 | awal1 | so I think it's time to try out seriously screen or tmux |
| 04:14.40 | l4m8d4 | whoops |
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| 04:14.47 | somiaj | tmux is more modern |
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| 04:15.11 | awal1 | ok |
| 04:15.14 | l4m8d4 | just use byobu if you don't want it too fance - it uses tmux as backend |
| 04:15.20 | l4m8d4 | *fancy |
| 04:15.29 | awal1 | byobu ? |
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| 04:15.45 | awal1 | ,v byobu |
| 04:15.46 | judd | Package: byobu on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.16-1.1; wheezy-backports: 5.87-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 5.87-1; stretch: 5.87-1; sid: 5.112-1; stretch: 5.112-1 |
| 04:16.04 | l4m8d4 | I find it pretty nice, using it everywhere pretty much |
| 04:16.07 | awal1 | never heard about it |
| 04:17.02 | l4m8d4 | http://byobu.org/ you can read about it here |
| 04:17.21 | awal1 | aptitude description is enough :P |
| 04:17.34 | l4m8d4 | Maybe it is just me but I always found bare screen and tmux very tedious |
| 04:17.44 | awal1 | sounds interesting, even if ubuntu software :P |
| 04:18.00 | l4m8d4 | byobu makes it a little easier, maybe sacrificing a little bit of flexibility |
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| 04:19.37 | gry | Hi all. :) Would like to run Android apps on Debian, is there a good emulator or something in the Debian repositories, or I should use virtualbox and run an Android image inside (with me finding the said image on the Intetnet by hand)? |
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| 04:24.27 | somiaj | gry: I see some andriodsdk packages in jessie and you might be able to install andriod studio locally (seems this is a popular way to developen andriod apps) |
| 04:24.41 | awal1 | interesting is byobu according to the video demostration found in the official site http://byobu.co |
| 04:25.07 | gry | somiaj, I tried to install the androidsdk package but I didn't figure out how to use it, maybe you give some pointers? I was looking around on the Internet but could not find a useful tutorial |
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| 04:25.19 | somiaj | gry: I haven't used it, I'm just seeing what is out there |
| 04:25.28 | somiaj | gry: have you looked at https://wiki.debian.org/AndroidTools |
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| 04:26.46 | somiaj | gry: you may just have to install from upstream in /usr/local https://developer.android.com/studio/index.html |
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| 04:27.41 | gry | thank you somiaj , I will check them out |
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| 04:29.57 | somiaj | gry: I see various blog posts about installing andriod studio from upstream in jessie, seems you just need java installed for it. I'm unsure on the current state of android studio in debian jessie, but it dosen't look like it is all there just some of the androidsdk stuff |
| 04:30.09 | somiaj | but with java seemed fairly straight forward to install locally |
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| 05:19.10 | admins | https://amazon.com/mpr?referralcode=ADMIN1908N&ref_=mpr_tr_ss_wl83857_T1AP |
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| 05:37.37 | vmorris | i'm fooling around with preseed installation automation here and was curious as to how I might send messages to the hardware console while inside the preseed/late-command string |
| 05:39.00 | vmorris | command stdout and stderr aren't appearing.. any suggestions? |
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| 05:40.47 | cha18 | hello, I have installed my wireless driver, I have my wireless card detected in the output of 'lspci -nnk | grep Wireless', I have the correct iwlwifi driver installed |
| 05:41.20 | cha18 | however wlan0 isn't being listed when I call ifconfig |
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| 05:42.10 | cha18 | what gives? there's a disconnect between the driver being engaged by the device so that it displays in ifconfig. |
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| 05:48.26 | vmorris | cha18: what does dmesg show? |
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| 05:49.51 | cha18 | says it fails to load the driver |
| 05:50.11 | cha18 | with error code -2 |
| 05:53.17 | vmorris | do you see the driver in lsmod output? |
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| 05:54.29 | vmorris | i don't know anything about iwlwifi drivers.. sorry |
| 05:54.38 | vmorris | you sure you got the right one? |
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| 05:54.49 | cha18 | I had the wrong one |
| 05:55.06 | vmorris | cool |
| 05:55.13 | cha18 | I need the -15.ucode one, which isn't included in the iwlwifi firmware package that the repository says |
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| 05:56.05 | vmorris | find it here? https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/drivers/iwlwifi |
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| 06:00.17 | yanhuihang | How to copy a process's output to clipboard in terminal? Like ``cat log | clipboard'' |
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| 06:00.57 | yanhuihang | I don't wanna install a x-org text editor |
| 06:01.08 | irasoulpour | hi |
| 06:01.25 | yanhuihang | :-) |
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| 06:02.12 | M4rc76 | you can use tee to copy the stdout to a file |
| 06:02.46 | yanhuihang | tks. and how to copy to clipboard? |
| 06:02.48 | yanhuihang | xfce4 |
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| 06:03.32 | vmorris | what terminal? |
| 06:03.39 | vmorris | probably it's "ctrl+shift+c" |
| 06:04.02 | yanhuihang | i can't select then all when there are flood of text |
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| 06:04.16 | vmorris | use > to redirect stdout |
| 06:04.43 | vmorris | like M4rc76 said, tee if you want to see it as well |
| 06:04.50 | yanhuihang | then how to copy them to clipboard? |
| 06:04.51 | yanhuihang | :-) |
| 06:05.06 | vmorris | let's get to the point, why do you want it on the clipboard? |
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| 06:05.23 | yanhuihang | a certain log |
| 06:05.30 | vmorris | not what, why |
| 06:05.44 | vmorris | why do you need the data in the clipboard, it must be going somewhere after that |
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| 06:06.16 | yanhuihang | a connect stops strangly and I want to paste to log to who may help |
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| 06:08.21 | vmorris | process output > /path/to/logfile.out; echo "email body" | mutt -a "/path/to/logfile.out" -s "subject" -- recipient@domain.com |
| 06:08.31 | vmorris | requires mutt |
| 06:09.03 | vmorris | process output > /path/to/logfile.out; scp /path/to/logfile.out user@domain |
| 06:09.06 | vmorris | requires ssh |
| 06:09.34 | M4rc76 | I would use fail2ban for automatic mailing logs |
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| 06:11.54 | vmorris | i mean.. c'mon FTP is a think yanhuihang, i think you're missing some fundamentals here |
| 06:12.03 | vmorris | it's a thing too |
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| 06:15.22 | vmorris | me personally? i think you should VNC and screenshot, then email the images |
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| 07:27.40 | thid | anyone can tell me how to handle BCM43228 on debian testing? |
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| 07:33.03 | at0m | !testing |
| 07:33.04 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <stretch>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting . Support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and ask me about <testing faq> <jessie->stretch> <testing security> <moving target> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You need a sound knowledge of Debian and be prepared for a very bumpy ride. Don't use it on things that are critical! |
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| 07:34.32 | jelly | thid: perhaps see /msg dpkg brcmsmac and /msg dpkg wl |
| 07:35.04 | thid | jelly: thx |
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| 07:45.35 | awal1 | Via pasystray & pavucontrol one can set sound volume above 100. How can I achieve that via keyboard shortcut? I use "amixer -D default set Master 5%+ unmute" command via terminal or keyboard shortcut for increase sound volume but maximum stops at 100%. How I modify that for get it above 100 as pulseaudio does? |
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| 07:53.00 | yanhuihang | vmorris: many thanks |
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| 08:44.02 | CtrlC | how can I check if a port is reachable from outside? |
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| 08:44.26 | CtrlC | netstat -nltp shows it but I want to see if there's maybe a firewall or something on the way. |
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| 08:45.26 | jelly | CtrlC: fire up a small vm somewhere in the cloud, test, shut it down, pay a penny |
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| 08:45.52 | CtrlC | jelly, what? I don't know how that helps. |
| 08:46.07 | dcpc007 | hi all, is it possible to initialize a home dir for an new ldap user on a server as if i create locally (and take custom config for .bashrc for example) |
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| 08:46.11 | CtrlC | I have my own system that I can run commands on! So I guess that'll do it. |
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| 08:46.17 | CtrlC | Just don't know what to run. |
| 08:46.20 | ransur0t | CtrlC: incloack.com/ports |
| 08:46.29 | ransur0t | *incloak.com/ports |
| 08:46.35 | CtrlC | I just want to it it once.:/ |
| 08:46.38 | utente | hi dudes. i run debian 8.6 with LXDE with classic PCManFM file manager. it display me extra partition of HDD and usb memory sticks when i plug them in usb port. all run ok. on another old pc i istalled a fresh debina 8.6, but to take minimal footprint, i instlled only command line. Later, i istalled istalled lxde metapackage with --no-install-recommends option. After reboot, lxde works correctly, but CPManFM DOES NOT show extra partition i have on tha PC. i |
| 08:46.38 | utente | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:46.49 | jelly | CtrlC: if you already have your own system somewhere outside the local network, why are you asking? |
| 08:47.06 | CtrlC | jelly, I'm asking for commands. |
| 08:47.09 | jelly | ah |
| 08:47.14 | CtrlC | To check for an open port. |
| 08:47.38 | jelly | CtrlC: tcp port? telnet your.host.name.example.org portnumber |
| 08:47.42 | ransur0t | CtrlC: check out the url I shared, should give you what you need |
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| 08:48.02 | CtrlC | Thanks guys. |
| 08:48.28 | afx_ | Hello! There are times firefox , hexchat , dropbox (don't know if other applications too ) boot with broken theme i.e. context menu and windows theme is different from global theme. Currently I am using Adwaita in Jessie x64 . How could I troubleshoot this? |
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| 09:03.41 | Ulrar | Hi, Does anyone know how to install mysql-5.0 on a debian wheezy ? I know, everything about this is old but I need to migrate a php4 app .. |
| 09:05.34 | nkuttler | ,v mysql-server |
| 09:05.35 | judd | Package: mysql-server on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.5.47-0+deb7u1; jessie: 5.5.50-0+deb8u1; wheezy-security: 5.5.53-0+deb7u1; jessie-security: 5.5.53-0+deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 5.5.53-0+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 5.6.30-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 5.6.30-1; sid: 5.6.30-1; sid: 5.7.16-1 |
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| 09:05.57 | nkuttler | Ulrar: you probably want to install an older release if you need that.. |
| 09:06.09 | nkuttler | Ulrar: but if the app is running right now, why not just export the data? |
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| 09:06.10 | LOL-Dogshit-420 | s |
| 09:06.16 | LOL-Dogshit-420 | LOL BIRDSHIT, 420 BLAZE IT!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 09:09.16 | Ulrar | nkuttler: Well, the repo for older releases aren't up I believe |
| 09:09.24 | Ulrar | So you can't actually install them |
| 09:09.27 | nkuttler | !tell Ulrar about archive |
| 09:09.40 | Ulrar | And the app is running, but exporting won't help me ? |
| 09:10.48 | nkuttler | Ulrar: do you have a new version of the software that needs to access the old db you already have? |
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| 09:11.09 | Ulrar | Oh no, I wish |
| 09:11.18 | Ulrar | I need that version running on a new machine |
| 09:11.33 | Ulrar | Well, it's a VM so nothing fancy, just need to trash the old server |
| 09:11.33 | nkuttler | there is no upgrade path? |
| 09:11.48 | Ulrar | There will be, I believe the client paid for a new version, should be ready in the summer |
| 09:11.53 | Ulrar | But the server is dying now |
| 09:12.10 | nkuttler | that doesn't really mean anything. sounds like you're stuck on your old os then |
| 09:12.13 | Ulrar | So you think I should install a lenny again |
| 09:12.30 | nkuttler | i'd probably put that into a container or something |
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| 09:12.44 | Ulrar | No containers here, but a VM is fine |
| 09:12.51 | Ulrar | Just never thought I'd install a leny again |
| 09:13.17 | nkuttler | well, i wouldn't want to expose an unsupported os to the internet |
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| 09:13.44 | nkuttler | and i assume you'll run your php app on the same server.. |
| 09:14.09 | Ulrar | PHP 4, speaking of unsported .. |
| 09:15.02 | nkuttler | well. sucks to be you :) |
| 09:15.16 | Ulrar | I'm thinking of just installing 5.5 and say I didn't have a choice and we need to put a developer on it to make it compatible |
| 09:15.25 | Ulrar | Shouldn't be too much work anyway |
| 09:15.31 | nkuttler | that sounds like a plan |
| 09:15.55 | Ulrar | I'll talk it over with my colleagues, see what they think. Thanks |
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| 09:19.24 | Ulrar | Allright, I'll go with a mysql 5.5, and worst case we'll do a container |
| 09:19.41 | Ulrar | No idea how that works or how to interface our monitoring with this |
| 09:19.45 | Ulrar | So I hope it won't come to that |
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| 09:19.54 | unborn | Esteban: hey, just wanted to let you know that I managed to get dnsmasq working. Well it was working properly from very start, just my network didnt see it. Pretty trivial after all.. just added one line to my conf file and it all starts working properly. |
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| 09:41.23 | Brski | Does Debian come with any Hyper-V integration services? |
| 09:42.57 | jelly | ,v hyperv-daemons |
| 09:42.58 | judd | Package: hyperv-daemons on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 3.16.7-ckt20-1~bpo70+2; jessie: 3.16.7-ckt20-1; jessie-backports: 4.7.8-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.8.11-1; sid: 4.8.11-1; experimental: 4.9~rc8-1~exp1 |
| 09:43.14 | unborn | I think it does |
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| 09:43.56 | jelly | Brski: an "apt-cache search hyperv" or other keyword can reveal interesting stuff |
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| 09:44.50 | Brski | ... lsmod | grep hv_* returns some interesting stuff. |
| 09:45.10 | jelly | that too, but that is kernel drivers, not userspace services |
| 09:45.22 | Brski | I'm quite surprised that it comes with Hyper-V LIS, but not VMware VM Tools. |
| 09:45.26 | jelly | and that * does not mean what you think it means with grep |
| 09:45.38 | jelly | Brski: those are called open-vm-tools |
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| 09:45.56 | Brski | jelly, I know, but you have to install that manually. |
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| 09:46.18 | jelly | and you have to install hyperv-daemons manually |
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| 09:47.52 | jelly | paravirtualized/optimized drivers for ESX guests are present by default, stuff like vmxnet3, pvscsi, fb driver |
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| 09:56.47 | oty | is there a gnupg global conf ? |
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| 10:05.34 | _Nox | Ohayou gozaimasu |
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| 10:10.22 | Antares | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1o2VgWTxas |
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| 10:24.02 | unborn | !ops Antares - spam... |
| 10:24.03 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: unborn complains about: Antares - spam... |
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| 10:25.33 | julius | hi |
| 10:25.49 | julius | does if-up.d also recognize when openvpn sets up a new interface, it is started by the system |
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| 10:26.13 | julius | im asking because i did setup a simple echo in a if-up.d file for tun0, but it never gets executed |
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| 10:33.06 | friesenpeter | julius: where do you expect the output of an echo to go to? Maybe try a "logger" call to have it appear in the syslog |
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| 10:33.11 | moldy | hi |
| 10:33.17 | moldy | is it possible to set a catch-all in /etc/aliases? |
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| 10:34.27 | friesenpeter | moldy: I don't think so. What is the mail server daemon you are using? |
| 10:34.34 | moldy | friesenpeter: exim4 |
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| 10:34.53 | moldy | friesenpeter: ideally i'd like to have this in a cross-mta-compatible way though |
| 10:35.57 | friesenpeter | moldy: cross-mta-compatible sounds near to impossible given the breadth of implementations there are. |
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| 10:40.41 | moldy | friesenpeter: well, let's say exim4 + postfix :) |
| 10:40.44 | friesenpeter | moldy: for my exim4 installation I use paste.debian.net/902512 |
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| 10:41.20 | friesenpeter | I don't use catch-all adresses but that is probably possible with that file |
| 10:41.27 | moldy | i think of /etc/aliases doesn't support this, i will automate entering the single aliases instead |
| 10:41.42 | friesenpeter | moldy: https://wiki.debian.org/PkgExim4UserFAQ#How_do_I_configure_a_catch-all.3F |
| 10:41.59 | moldy | i just want to get the cron emails of all user accounts to the alias for root |
| 10:42.01 | friesenpeter | https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-setup-postfix-catch-all-email-accounts/ |
| 10:42.20 | friesenpeter | moldy: Put "MAILTO=root" in the crontabs |
| 10:42.31 | moldy | friesenpeter: hmmm, that might work |
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| 10:42.56 | moldy | some of the crontabs are written by third-party code though |
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| 10:43.40 | friesenpeter | I'd explicitly configure forwards for those in /etc/aliases |
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| 10:44.13 | moldy | might be the best solution, yes. |
| 10:45.11 | moldy | the bummer is that it's easy to forget, and then it tries to send to user@hostname via the configured smarthost, which then tries to deliver the mail back to the system that send it, but that doesn't accept mail, so it queues up |
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| 10:45.40 | moldy | probably there is another misconfiguration involved here. i tried to keep the difference to the default jessie config minimal. |
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| 10:47.00 | moldy | maybe i should just switch to postfix, since i know that better. |
| 10:48.43 | jelly | moldy: you can't have both exim4 and postfix installed on Debian from debian's packages at the same time |
| 10:48.57 | moldy | jelly: yeah, i know that. i'd of course have to get rid of exim4 then. |
| 10:49.06 | moldy | that would be the point :) |
| 10:50.05 | jelly | our debian server templates default to postfix listening on just localhost, fuck exim |
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| 10:50.27 | jelly | !start a mta war |
| 10:50.27 | dpkg | Courier systems are liable to be r00ted! |
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| 10:52.35 | friesenpeter | Hm, can anyone elaborate on that ^ |
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| 10:53.10 | moldy | it's just trolling, i think :p |
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| 10:53.41 | friesenpeter | yeah, just found the wiki for that |
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| 11:11.06 | julius | friesenpeter, if [ "$IFACE" = "tun0" ]; then mydate=`date`; echo "$mydate" >>/home/julius/tun0-up; exit 0; fi |
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| 11:20.28 | DanteD | stretch seems to be missing some packages like virtualbox, /quit |
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| 11:49.58 | friesenpeter | julius: Perhaps a permission problem then? Try chmod 0777 /home/julius/tun0-up; chmod o+x /home/julius; sudo chmod o+x /home |
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| 12:05.12 | petn-randall | "chmod 0777" is never the solution to a problem. It's the start of an interesting journey. |
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| 12:06.14 | bezaban | tell that to my predecessor |
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| 12:10.45 | Shadur | petn-randall: One that tends to end with "and then I decided to just reinstall from scratch" |
| 12:11.25 | Shadur | Alternately, the journey is one about self-discovery and also about finding new employment elsewhere. |
| 12:11.48 | bezaban | yes. especially the -R variant |
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| 12:36.51 | bumbar | i'm on debian 8.6 and want tried to install https://packages.debian.org/stretch/g++-5 through backports but says it's unable to locate g++-5 package |
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| 12:37.18 | babilen | bumbar: That package is not in backports |
| 12:39.54 | Shadur | bumbar: stretch and backports are different things. |
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| 12:49.03 | bumbar | how can i install it then? |
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| 12:56.27 | n4dir | the answer probably depends on for what you (think you) need it |
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| 12:57.23 | dionysus69 | can i ask a gnupg question here? |
| 12:57.43 | n4dir | not sure if backporting it yourself makes sense, you could upgrade to stretch, you could create a stretch debootstrap |
| 12:57.51 | n4dir | and probably 42 other solutions |
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| 12:58.04 | fred1807 | how do I get bash 4.4 on jessy? |
| 12:58.51 | fred1807 | nevermind, I found it, thx |
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| 13:03.16 | ausinch | I just installed a headless server without a network connection. After the install I put it on the network. Now, how do I easily add entries to the /etc/apt/source.list. Is there an ncurses command like during the installation? |
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| 13:03.34 | jelly | ,v bash |
| 13:03.35 | judd | Package: bash on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.2+dfsg-0.1+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 4.2+dfsg-0.1+deb7u4; jessie: 4.3-11+b1; jessie-proposed-updates: 4.3-11+deb8u1; sid: 4.4-2; stretch: 4.4-2 |
| 13:03.45 | jelly | fred1807: you backport it |
| 13:03.58 | jelly | dpkg, tell fred1807 about ssb |
| 13:06.04 | n4dir | ausinch: you go to wiki.debian.org, go to network configuration, copy and paste and adapt to your needs |
| 13:06.44 | ausinch | n4dir: Many Thanks :-) |
| 13:07.09 | n4dir | though: ausinch don't you use wireless? |
| 13:08.34 | ausinch | n4dir: it on a VM host |
| 13:08.34 | n4dir | ausinch: i searched for it quite often, hence i find it quickly (just in case): https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Configuring_the_interface_manually |
| 13:09.53 | ausinch | n4dir: just thought of another way - i have a server on the same farm, i am going to confirm versions then copy the source.list file |
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| 13:10.37 | n4dir | oh, yeah, copy it around is one of my favorites. |
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| 13:12.09 | n4dir | duh, ausinch. i misread your question. You asked for sources list, i thought of network configuration files. My fault, sorry (still wiki debian has examples, still copy around is a good idea, only for clarification) |
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| 13:13.53 | ausinch | n4dir: NP thanks regardless. |
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| 13:19.43 | bumbar | n4dir, i need g++-5 to build my application on server, but i'm not sure if i'd like to update everything to stretch |
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| 13:20.51 | n4dir | bumbar: in case it is only needed for the build i would probably go for a debootstrap (but i only give an opinion, you might wait for other answers) |
| 13:21.20 | jelly | bumbar: set up a chroot of stretch with debootstrap or a wrapper for it and build in there |
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| 13:21.32 | jelly | ,v g++ |
| 13:21.34 | judd | Package: g++ on amd64 -- wheezy: 4:4.7.2-1; jessie: 4:4.9.2-2; sid: 4:6.2.1-1; stretch: 4:6.2.1-1; experimental: 4:7-20161116-2 |
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| 13:21.47 | jelly | ha, g++-6 seems to be default for stretch |
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| 13:55.51 | ws2k3 | can this work? ip address add 2001:1aa8:185::212:100/128 dev lo:5 -arp ? |
| 13:56.21 | jmp | ws2k3: http://lucb1e.com/?p=post&id=98 |
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| 13:57.36 | ws2k3 | jmp do you also have a point you wanne make? |
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| 14:34.37 | Logg | my screens keep turning off while watching youtube videos. I don't use any desktop environment, so I don't know how to stop it. What program could be in charge of keeping track of how long it has been since the computer last received user input so it can put my monitors to sleep, and how do I kill it. thanks -- Logg |
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| 14:37.05 | teraflops | Logg: while watching yt videos with what? web browser? |
| 14:37.28 | Logg | I use mpv, I use browser, doesn't matter. |
| 14:37.40 | teraflops | hmm |
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| 14:39.22 | teraflops | Logg: so no DE? which WM, if any? also do you use a DM? |
| 14:39.41 | Logg | I use AwesomeWM |
| 14:39.46 | Logg | I use lightdm |
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| 14:39.59 | jelly | Logg: mpv has options to disable screensaver, rtfm fot details |
| 14:40.19 | Logg | thanks jelly but it's not just an mpv problem |
| 14:40.30 | Logg | and it's actually not a screensaver issue, it's power save |
| 14:40.50 | teraflops | jelly: turning off the screen is the same as a screensaver? |
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| 14:41.24 | jelly | Logg: then look at xset and its dpms settings |
| 14:41.25 | teraflops | it looks to me that awesome is doing something there |
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| 14:42.18 | Logg | I'll look into it jelly. not sure that it's actually awesomewm, I'm pretty sure I've read the whole config by now |
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| 14:54.21 | Antares | Send cocaine from MI6 |
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| 14:55.34 | Vizva | one time someone did ask me to deliver a packet from uk to europe or other way |
| 14:55.53 | Vizva | this was Mi6 |
| 14:55.55 | Vizva | maybe |
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| 14:56.55 | Vizva | Antares why write it here? |
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| 14:57.28 | Antares | me need dopinna kishku i s molitvoy |
| 14:57.35 | Antares | kaloca nadoelo |
| 14:58.03 | Vizva | but its Off Topic |
| 14:58.12 | Antares | doping na kishku |
| 14:58.17 | teraflops | because he's a spy and t in code |
| 14:58.23 | teraflops | speaking* |
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| 14:58.48 | teraflops | s/spy/troll |
| 14:58.56 | Vizva | i think more troll |
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| 14:59.19 | Vizva | poisened troll ;) |
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| 14:59.28 | teraflops | Vizva: anyway next time just ignore them |
| 14:59.33 | Vizva | ok |
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| 14:59.57 | Vizva | if i can do a favour for you |
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| 15:00.19 | Antares | thx |
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| 15:01.03 | abrotman | Antares: do you need help with Debian? |
| 15:01.06 | Vizva | but in my case somone ask me in real in uk country road |
| 15:01.11 | abrotman | ... |
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| 15:01.58 | Antares | no me need help with nasm & gcc |
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| 15:03.03 | Antares | http://wasm.in/forum/threads/bind-cmd.31766/page-4 |
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| 15:04.35 | deluxx | If I use the DVD iso to install debian to my laptop can i still do a minimal installation and add packages later? |
| 15:05.07 | Antares | you need add repo in cofig |
| 15:05.14 | Antares | befor write he |
| 15:06.14 | teraflops | deluxx: iirc yes |
| 15:06.15 | deluxx | huh? |
| 15:06.40 | deluxx | ok thanks teraflops |
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| 15:07.00 | babilen | deluxx: Yes, the installer is the same. The images simply differ in the number of packages they contain and some settings (e.g. desktop environment that will be installed by default, ...) |
| 15:07.34 | teraflops | deluxx: not that I use the dvd for installimg debian but the installer is the same |
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| 15:08.18 | teraflops | ugh I'm getting slow or it's just lag |
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| 15:09.48 | deluxx | Ok great :) thank you babilen |
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| 15:12.10 | Antares | if no conneti on install to intrnet? repo no add |
| 15:12.14 | Antares | , |
| 15:12.30 | Antares | was 6-7 мÑкÑÑÑÑ |
| 15:12.39 | Antares | version |
| 15:12.42 | Antares | like wis |
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| 15:14.00 | abrotman | !ru |
| 15:14.00 | dpkg | ÐÑо английÑкоговоÑÑÑий канал, пожалÑйÑÑа, говоÑиÑе по-английÑки или поÑеÑиÑе #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
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| 15:14.49 | JyZyXEL | % sudo update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree --install fails with: mv: cannot stat âunpackchrome/opt/google/chrome/PepperFlash/libpepflashplayer.soâ: No such file or directory |
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| 15:15.19 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: I'm sure you've checked the BTS, right? |
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| 15:16.34 | JyZyXEL | ah, i didn't realize it had its own package |
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| 15:19.15 | JyZyXEL | damn, i had no idea chromiums flash plugin was separate like this |
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| 15:19.42 | JyZyXEL | this whole time i've thought i've been getting security upgrades for flash via chromium updates... :P |
| 15:20.12 | JyZyXEL | but it all depends on the user remembering to run this update command (which doesn't even work anymore) |
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| 15:20.36 | JyZyXEL | such security. |
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| 15:38.31 | jamesl | I'm having some difficulties with pam_mount in Debian. I'm setting up centralized auth with PAM, and also shared home directories. The home directories are being shared on a Samba server, and on the clients I have this pam_mount config file: http://termbin.com/i1pj howver when I log in, I get the error "mount error: no such device or address. Refer to the mount.cifs manual page". I have read that man page and see no reason why mount.cifs |
| 15:38.31 | jamesl | isn't working with my PAM volume definition? |
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| 15:41.42 | tdn | I am thinking about volunteering to be a package maintainer for ReaR. But where do I begin? And how much time should I expect to spend on this? |
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| 15:41.56 | jamesl | <volume fstype="cifs" server="192.168.1.11" path='\homes\%(USER)' mountpoint="~" /> is the specific definition I'm having trouble with. I followed advice from https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1375653 but it doesn't seem to be working. The network is definitely up and working on both machines |
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| 15:44.09 | greycat | wonders what the hell "centralized auth with PAM" is, why cifs is being used instead of NFS, and how XML is related to any of this |
| 15:45.17 | jamesl | greycat: I have no idea why the configuration file is written in XML. Centralized auth with PAM is when someone logs onto one client, they can also log onto other clients with the same password, and the password can be changed remotely |
| 15:45.36 | jamesl | no idea if I'm describing it correctly, centralized auth is what I googled |
| 15:45.37 | greycat | But *which* authentication are you using? NIS? LDAP? |
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| 15:46.05 | jamesl | probably LDAP. But I'd like to get the shared home dirs to work first |
| 15:46.14 | jamesl | so I haven't implemented LDAP yet |
| 15:46.17 | greycat | Why does it have to be CIFS/Samba? |
| 15:46.39 | jamesl | it doesn't have to be, what other solution do you recommend for shared home directories? |
| 15:46.49 | greycat | NFS is the obvious choice for sharing between unixes |
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| 15:48.44 | jamesl | thanks. I'm going to try setting up NFS and then see if I still experience problems |
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| 16:07.28 | jamesl | well NFS seems to work on the command line |
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| 16:16.45 | Logg | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:16.51 | Logg | Jelly: it worked thanks |
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| 16:17.45 | pingspammer | Hello |
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| 16:22.23 | jelly | pingspammer: hi |
| 16:22.26 | jelly | !ask |
| 16:22.27 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 16:22.44 | pingspammer | jelly, I'm here to have fun and hang out |
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| 16:23.05 | jelly | wrong channel for that, try ##chat or #debian-offtopic |
| 16:23.39 | yotam | I installed Debian unstable with GNOME and I can't see programs in GNOME Software except what I already installed, how can I fix it? I try to look for updates from the software center but it didn't work :( |
| 16:23.45 | pingspammer | jelly: okay |
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| 16:23.49 | greycat | !debian-next |
| 16:23.49 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 16:25.40 | jamesl | logout |
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| 16:29.51 | hektabyte | Hey guys, how did you solve a problem with Nvidia drivers and Cinnamon? And don't tell me that you uninstalled Cinnamon. :D |
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| 16:31.29 | jelly | was there a problem? |
| 16:32.15 | hektabyte | Cinnamon crashes when I install Nvidia drivers, yes. |
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| 16:32.29 | unicron | is there an equivalent command to "strace" for bash scripts? |
| 16:32.43 | unicron | i'm having trouble debugging sakis3g |
| 16:33.33 | jelly | unicron: bash -x blah.sh |
| 16:33.47 | jelly | or add set -x as the second line |
| 16:33.51 | n4dir | unicron: set -x comes to my mind and the website shellcheck (though i think it is also in the debian repos) |
| 16:34.46 | Iridos | #845984 |
| 16:34.47 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/845984 in chromium (closed): «chromium: Crash on facebook since 54.0.2840.101-1»; severity: grave; opened: 2016-11-27; last modified: 2016-12-02. |
| 16:34.48 | jelly | unicron: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide/Practices#Debugging |
| 16:35.01 | jelly | Iridos: sounds like a feature |
| 16:35.11 | n4dir | i also learned to "set -x ... block of got which erros ... set +x " as having set -x for the whole script gives me hard times. unicron |
| 16:35.15 | Iridos | no man⦠that situation is grave!! |
| 16:35.21 | greycat | I'd use http://shellcheck.net/ before a package that may be incredibly old by web site standards |
| 16:35.47 | Iridos | jelly, Justification: renders package unusable |
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| 16:36.10 | unicron | thanks! this is really the weirdest shell script i've ever tried to use. it works fine normally but it's failing for an unknown reason when i try to run it from initramfs |
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| 16:36.59 | jelly | the shell available in initramfs may not be the same shell you're testing it under |
| 16:37.09 | greycat | So when you say you run it "normally", you mean you installed busybox and ran it with busybox sh just like initramfs uses...? |
| 16:37.12 | jelly | and it's definitely not bash |
| 16:37.37 | unicron | normally i mean with bash. but i copied bash to /bin and /sbin in the initramfs environment |
| 16:38.01 | Iridos | hm, but that seems to be a bug in apt-listbugs⦠because it warned me about that bug, but it's now installing 55.0.2883.75-1 from security.debian.org, in which this is allegedly fixed |
| 16:38.26 | unicron | i also copied all the binaries that the script seems to depend on |
| 16:38.50 | unicron | using the copy_exec function in my /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/file |
| 16:39.00 | jelly | unicron: eh... if ubuntu can have a 40MB initramfs, why not glibc and bash |
| 16:39.25 | unicron | copy_exec should also copy all the libs needed |
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| 16:39.43 | jelly | handy |
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| 16:42.08 | greycat | clearly it's better to copy all that bloat into your initfamfs than to use the busybox sh compatible syntax in a script. so obvious. |
| 16:42.31 | Iridos | ha yeah⦠that's what abstraction is all about |
| 16:42.48 | n4dir | :-) |
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| 16:43.13 | unicron | what's wrong with bloating initramfs? |
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| 16:43.20 | jelly | it's probably still smaller than xenial's default initramfs! |
| 16:43.56 | unicron | i'm not the script author and i don't want to edit it if possible |
| 16:44.26 | unicron | the device is booting from an ssd and has more than enough ram |
| 16:44.37 | Iridos | nothing at all, I have gimp and libreoffice in my initramfs |
| 16:45.01 | jelly | Iridos: why not networking and a small sshd? |
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| 16:45.43 | unicron | my goal here is to have the device phone home over ssh using a cell modem in order to be fed a LUKS key to decrypt the drive and finish booting |
| 16:46.01 | unicron | it works fine over eth0, but i'm having trouble getting ppp0 to come up |
| 16:46.20 | jelly | Iridos: see! |
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| 16:46.26 | Iridos | jelly, didn't say that's not in there! AND an nfsd and ldap⦠might need it at some time! |
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| 16:47.13 | Iridos | jelly, well, actually that's something I *did* consider and it was only lack of time as a reason that I didn't do it⦠|
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| 16:47.36 | jelly | so merely a pppd and ssh client, not sshd. That's completely different. |
| 16:47.43 | Iridos | jelly, desktop at work is encrypted⦠and I'd have to give out the password to that to someone if it needs rebooting while I'm gone |
| 16:48.06 | unicron | dropbear is the usual sshd for initramfs |
| 16:48.28 | jelly | Iridos: and it's also behind NAT so you need to vpn out first to be able to ssh in |
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| 16:49.32 | Iridos | jelly, nah, it's not |
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| 16:50.07 | Iridos | but it's important that it has a vnc server so I can use the gimp and libreoffice in it remotely |
| 16:50.22 | unborn | 0o |
| 16:50.44 | unborn | gimp and libre office? ftw... |
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| 16:51.40 | jelly | unicron: this thing? https://github.com/Trixarian/sakis3g-source/blob/master/src/sakis3g |
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| 16:52.03 | Iridos | Poe's law sucks, eh? |
| 16:52.15 | jelly | I can see how rewriting it for busybox might look like a daunting task |
| 16:52.18 | unicron | yeah jelly |
| 16:52.39 | unicron | but that's not even the issue, bash 4.4 is on initramfs |
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| 16:53.15 | jelly | Iridos: your LUKS passphrase is "draw a pretty pony"? |
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| 16:53.37 | jelly | "no, I have to actually draw a pony" |
| 16:54.07 | greycat | With cutie marks? |
| 16:54.20 | jelly | optional |
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| 16:55.17 | jelly | if you don't draw the correct cutie mark, you unlock the false OS for the police |
| 16:55.26 | greycat | cutiehoneypot |
| 16:55.34 | DoberMann | if your desktop is encrypted but you want to be able to give its passphrase to your janitor there might be an issue in your initial encryption need ;) |
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| 16:56.07 | jelly | goes back to #debian-offtopic |
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| 16:58.58 | n4dir | unicron: did you read what DoberMann wrote? |
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| 16:59.27 | n4dir | i am trying to figure out the point of it, but sure haven't got a clue yet |
| 16:59.38 | n4dir | (the point of the encryption) |
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| 17:00.35 | ausinch | off we go -- - - whoops wrong screen |
| 17:02.32 | jelly | n4dir: most of it was just making fun |
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| 17:03.20 | n4dir | i had that impression. But i still don't understand why one wants to encrypt a device, if it is decrypted all the time anyway. Might well be me, though |
| 17:04.17 | unicron | to prevent unauthorized users from accessing the data |
| 17:04.27 | jelly | n4dir: so if it's stolen away, it can't phone home again at boot and get decrypted automatically oh wait |
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| 17:05.24 | unicron | the device i'm working on will be decrypted manually and remotely |
| 17:05.44 | n4dir | unicron: that part is easy. The question is why one wants to decrypt it remotely. |
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| 17:07.05 | unicron | i'm a pentester, this will be deployed stealthily at client sites. it would cost too much time to plug in a keyboard |
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| 17:08.53 | unicron | at first i was trying to use TPM, but apparently linux hates TPM |
| 17:09.11 | unicron | all the TPM code is old and unmaintained and i couldn't get it to compile |
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| 17:09.31 | greycat | yeeeah, I'm just gonna /ignore now |
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| 17:10.02 | quack_ | my mom said 38 bogomips is enough for anyone. my friends all have over 8000 bogomips, what can I do do convince her I need more bogomips? |
| 17:10.07 | n4dir | busy testing how long it takes to plug in a keyboard in the meantime ... |
| 17:10.17 | jelly | unicron: also probably hw platform dependent |
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| 17:10.32 | unicron | n4dir: the other consideration is what happens if it intermittently loses power? |
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| 17:12.00 | unicron | it was the tpm-luks package and TrustedGRUB that i was having issues with |
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| 17:12.33 | jelly | and you probably can't afford mjg59? :-) |
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| 17:13.46 | unicron | i dunno, it's probably more cost effective to use this preboot ssh connection |
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| 17:15.54 | drii | hey |
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| 17:16.22 | drii | I got some service which I connect to via nc. How can I send data in hex to it? |
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| 17:16.41 | jelly | drii: echo -n '\x00\x01' | nc ? |
| 17:16.47 | greycat | printf '\x00\x01...' |
| 17:16.55 | greycat | echo -n is deprecated |
| 17:17.01 | jelly | and I forgot either -e or $ |
| 17:17.26 | drii | jelly: ok, but what if service is waiting for my data? Like I wanna send first part of hex, then wait for its response and then 2nd part of hex (depending ot its response)? |
| 17:17.27 | greycat | you probably meant echo -e, but it's better to scrub those brain cells and use printf |
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| 17:18.07 | drii | I probably chosed the wrong words (sorry for my English!). All I want it to interact with that service |
| 17:18.11 | jelly | drii: if you need a two way conversation you need something better than netcat and a pipe |
| 17:18.30 | drii | jelly: so what else would you propose? |
| 17:19.35 | jelly | pick your favorite language and your favorite tcp socket abstraction library and write something, I guess |
| 17:19.56 | greycat | If it's bash, you can use exec 3<>/dev/tcp/host/port and >&3 and <&3 but bash is really not the best language for socket comms |
| 17:20.05 | drii | ahh, thought that tool like that already exists |
| 17:20.17 | drii | that way I also have to parse response :x |
| 17:20.18 | jelly | oh good heavens, what is that <> monstrosity |
| 17:20.33 | greycat | Bidirectional open. |
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| 17:21.42 | greycat | $ exec 3<>/dev/tcp/www.debian.org/80; printf 'HEAD / HTTP/1.1\nHost: www.debian.org\n\n' >&3; head -1 <&3; exec 3>&- |
| 17:21.45 | greycat | HTTP/1.1 200 OK |
| 17:21.58 | greycat | Not exactly the best language, as I said. |
| 17:22.45 | drii | ok, thank you guys! |
| 17:23.00 | jamesl | used IRC through bash with that once |
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| 17:23.31 | greycat | !console jamesl |
| 17:23.35 | pingfloyd | since when was echo deprecated? |
| 17:23.49 | jelly | probably two decades ago |
| 17:23.52 | greycat | Since BSD and SysV made different versions of it. |
| 17:24.00 | jamesl | if you could look through my .bash_history, you'd call me a masochist |
| 17:24.12 | jhutchins | Around the same time as nslookup. |
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| 17:24.42 | jelly | drii: I almost suggested Twisted but their "simple client" example starts with factories and half a dozen abstractions http://twistedmatrix.com/documents/12.1.0/core/howto/clients.html#auto2 |
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| 17:24.46 | greycat | imadev:~$ builtin echo -n |
| 17:24.47 | greycat | imadev:~$ /bin/echo -n |
| 17:24.47 | greycat | -n |
| 17:25.12 | jelly | what's that, Ultrix |
| 17:25.16 | greycat | HP-UX |
| 17:25.27 | greycat | Ultrix would likely have a BSD echo in /bin |
| 17:25.32 | jelly | who uses hp-ux! |
| 17:26.46 | jamesl | YES. I got NFS shared home dirs working |
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| 17:33.20 | xzork | hey, is there a difference between firefox-esr and iceweasel? |
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| 17:39.59 | jamesl | xzork: firefox-esr has Firefox branding, iceweasel removes Firefox branding due to a trademark dispute |
| 17:40.09 | jamesl | the dispute has since been resolved |
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| 17:44.44 | jhutchins | jamesl: Did you end up using autofs? |
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| 17:45.15 | jamesl | jhutchins: nope, I used pam_mount and nfs-kernel-server |
| 17:46.14 | jhutchins | jamesl: Yeah, you were already messing with pam I guess. |
| 17:46.35 | jhutchins | jamesl: I should look into that, we do some shared home directories. |
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| 17:47.02 | jamesl | I'd prefer a PAM-only solution, but for centralized auth I'll have to dip into LDAP |
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| 17:47.35 | fguide | jamesl: so what's the difference between firefox and firefox-esr? |
| 17:47.39 | greycat | PAM is just an interface that lets you *select* an authentication system. It doesn't implement one. |
| 17:47.59 | jamesl | fguide: esr is Extended Support Release. Supported for longer than regular Firefox |
| 17:48.11 | fguide | oh, got it, thanks |
| 17:48.32 | jamesl | greycat: I was thinking there would be a pam module that could do it without LDAP, but I'll probably just use pam_ldap |
| 17:48.34 | jamesl | thanks |
| 17:48.51 | jamesl | fguide: or "Eric S Raymond version" |
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| 17:50.11 | greycat | ponders learing LDAP then, once again, as always. decides "nah". |
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| 17:53.07 | jamesl | rewrites the Linux kernel in assembly |
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| 17:54.52 | jhutchins | jamesl: You might look at NIS. It's pretty much deprecated in favor of ldap these days, but it works. |
| 17:55.01 | jamesl | okay |
| 17:55.06 | jamesl | thanks for the tip |
| 17:55.10 | jhutchins | Beats winbind. |
| 17:55.37 | greycat | If you use a mixture of Linux and legacy commercial Unix systems, then you'll be using NIS. Like me. |
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| 17:58.29 | jamesl | it's amusing to read ESR's The Rules of Usability and notice that almost every common Linux program breaks one of them |
| 17:58.39 | jamesl | http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/taouu/html/ |
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| 17:59.46 | n4dir | shooting in the dark: probably not when it comes to the core programs (usually cli) |
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| 18:10.49 | jamesl | n4dir: well pretty much every cli program violates "everything should have an undo" |
| 18:11.31 | greycat | Very few programs have an undo. |
| 18:12.38 | n4dir | my point was not that all programs work for all rules, only that as far gui-programs are concerned ... well, they are weird |
| 18:13.01 | n4dir | only glanced over it, hence i said : shooting in the dark |
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| 18:14.02 | greycat | I guess if you squint, most GUI program windows have an [OK] and then some sort of close/cancel/X button, so your "undo" would just be the "cancel". Haven't read the paper, so not sure if that's what ESR had in mind. |
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| 18:14.42 | unborn | jamesl: how we can help you? |
| 18:15.10 | SRK143 | hi i am trying to run apt-get install mingw32 |
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| 18:15.32 | jamesl | n4dir: I do believe it references CLIs too, since it gives vim as an example of a bad UI |
| 18:15.32 | SRK143 | but getting error message unable to E: Unable to locate package mingw32 |
| 18:15.40 | greycat | SRK143: what version of Debian? |
| 18:15.43 | SRK143 | can anyone help |
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| 18:16.07 | n4dir | jamesl: what? vim ? blasphemy ! |
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| 18:16.22 | greycat | jamesl: well, now I know not to read it. |
| 18:16.47 | jamesl | heh. The reason was it provides no onscreen indicator of if you're in edit mode or command mode |
| 18:16.55 | greycat | That's simply a lie. |
| 18:17.15 | JyZyXEL | where does debians chromium need flashplayer plugin to be installed? |
| 18:17.17 | greycat | The -INSERT- thing is perhaps the single most visible change from vi to vim. |
| 18:17.19 | jamesl | maybe it's vi, not vim that does. I do remember using vi once and getting a little colon in the corner |
| 18:17.37 | n4dir | jamesl: i probably meant something like the coreutils (the basic cli commands. They seem to confirm to the rules, more or less, at least are not against the rules by the same amount the gui is. And mainly the last few years) |
| 18:17.52 | unborn | greycat: jamesl is offtopic, Ive already put him on ignore since he does not need help with anything related to debian, you know cheap talk |
| 18:18.20 | jamesl | sorry. Shall I go now? Or move to #debian-offtopic? |
| 18:18.27 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: currently it is broken, and the scripts haven't been updated. What I found works (though I don't like this soultion) is download the plugin directly from adobe (they proide download links again) then copy the libpepflashplugin.so and the manifest.json file to /usr/lib/pepperflashplugin-nonfree (which is the same place teh scripts put it) |
| 18:18.43 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: I couldn't find a better place to copy the file manually. I wish there was a ncie place in $HOME |
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| 18:19.22 | JyZyXEL | somiaj: ok, i placed those files under /opt/google/chrome/PepperFlash/ which didn't work |
| 18:19.30 | JyZyXEL | ill try the /usr/lib/pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
| 18:20.52 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: I'm unsure where chromium looks, but it almost seems the chromium in debian is specificly told to look in that location. even /usr/lib/chromium/plugins (as per the docs) didn't work for me. |
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| 18:21.40 | JyZyXEL | im developing a very strong disliking for chromium :P |
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| 18:23.34 | unborn | JyZyXEL: why not use google chrome then? no flash is need it.. the .deb file will work :) |
| 18:24.23 | unborn | i loved chromium however it was so much behind of everything that I left it.. as web dev - chromium is just - crap. |
| 18:24.35 | somiaj | I prefer chromium over google-chrome for a few reasons, one being it actually is DSFG software, the other is debian provides it. Just wait, there is a bug report in works to fix the flash plugin script to get it from adobe again and not rip it from google-crhome |
| 18:25.01 | JyZyXEL | well i don't even have sound support in the latest debian version of chromium :P |
| 18:25.16 | SynrGy | i'm a web dev and chromium in debian has kept up to date just fine |
| 18:25.21 | unborn | exactly.. same reasons JyZyXEL |
| 18:25.34 | greycat | I don't even know what "sound support" would entail outside of flash. |
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| 18:25.42 | jelly | chrome puts stuff under ~/.config/google-chrome/PepperFlash/ now |
| 18:26.04 | JyZyXEL | greycat: the latest version can not output sound via pulseaudio |
| 18:26.18 | JyZyXEL | instead it falls back to using ALSA and even that doesn't work properly |
| 18:26.18 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: even choriume, I tried ~/.config/chromium/plugins and variations of that and still no luck getting chromium to see pepper flash. |
| 18:26.20 | unborn | SynrGy: would you mind to share with us your portfolio? mean website... |
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| 18:26.27 | greycat | JyZyXEL: but where would this "sound" come from if not from Flash? |
| 18:26.38 | JyZyXEL | greycat: HTML5 video player |
| 18:26.49 | JyZyXEL | for example |
| 18:26.50 | jelly | greycat: browsers have native <video> now |
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| 18:26.56 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: works just fine for me here on latest version, though I use alsa not pulse |
| 18:27.06 | unborn | jelly: he does not even use java.. pointless |
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| 18:27.40 | greycat | The death of the "java applet" was one of the most glorious times in the modern computing era. |
| 18:27.41 | JyZyXEL | unborn: i haven't tried chrome because frankly i don't trust their binary packages like i trust debians |
| 18:27.43 | jelly | unborn: there is no java in chrome or chromium |
| 18:27.53 | jhutchins | JyZyXEL: Flash seems to work fine for me on a pretty default chromium install. |
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| 18:28.11 | JyZyXEL | jhutchins: except debians chromium doesn't come with flash..? |
| 18:28.15 | jelly | jhutchins: but is it current |
| 18:28.27 | jhutchins | jelly: Yeah, 55. |
| 18:28.38 | SynrGy | since when did "come with" ever pose a problem? |
| 18:28.41 | nkuttler | eh. just stop using sites the still need flash.. |
| 18:28.48 | teraflops | JyZyXEL: chromium does not come with flash |
| 18:29.06 | jhutchins | I have the mozilla flash plugin. |
| 18:29.12 | unborn | same here JyZyXEL but after month of checking, they do not violate it its just closed source - yeah I dont like it as well but comparing time to deploy it and troubleshooting it.. you know the answer |
| 18:29.27 | jelly | jhutchins: flash version? |
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| 18:29.43 | jhutchins | Doesn't show any flash extension in chromium though. |
| 18:29.49 | somiaj | the problem is the script to automatically install it is broken |
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| 18:30.02 | jhutchins | 3.11 |
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| 18:30.13 | jelly | you really really want to have the damn plugin patched up, if you need to use it |
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| 18:30.24 | JyZyXEL | unborn: im most concerned about "Chrome" having some crazy default values that make the browser spy on the user and transmit data to Google |
| 18:30.25 | teraflops | JyZyXEL: oh nvm :p |
| 18:30.33 | mframe | whats the simplest way of reverting to nouveau from proprietary nvidia driver? |
| 18:30.49 | jhutchins | ,v flashplayer-mozilla |
| 18:30.50 | judd | Package: flashplayer-mozilla on amd64 -- wheezy-multimedia/non-free: 3:24.0.0.186-dmo1; jessie-multimedia/non-free: 3:24.0.0.186-dmo2; sid-multimedia/non-free: 3:24.0.0.186-dmo2 |
| 18:30.53 | JyZyXEL | with debians chromium i feel that is less likely to happen |
| 18:30.59 | jelly | mframe: uninstall and purge all the nvidia stuff, reboot |
| 18:31.04 | JyZyXEL | jhutchins: you are using mozillas flash with chromium? :P |
| 18:31.21 | jhutchins | JyZyXEL: I don't think I am, I think it's using something internal. |
| 18:31.27 | JyZyXEL | that is really strange, i thought it is the opposite way |
| 18:31.55 | mframe | jelly: thanks, are xserver-xorg-video-nouveau libdrm-nouveau2 the only packages it needs to work? |
| 18:32.00 | unborn | JyZyXEL: you will run this on open source platform and you would be capable to confirm your 'opinion' with other opensource software.. do your testing or then I am sorry.. you would have to go with some bugs along.. |
| 18:32.31 | jelly | mframe: no, there's lots of other stuff, the whole of Xorg, libgl1-mesa-dri, kernel... |
| 18:32.54 | greycat | From previous days, I believe JyZyXEL is using at least some jessie-backports packages that are related to this issue. So be aware of this. |
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| 18:32.57 | unborn | chromium is perfect browser however its well behind.. means not updated and properly worked (not about flash you know all) = ie |
| 18:33.01 | jhutchins | I don't have pepperflash. |
| 18:33.09 | JyZyXEL | greycat: not anymore im not |
| 18:33.17 | mframe | jelly: ok. can i scrap any package with nvidia in the name though |
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| 18:33.47 | greycat | unborn: either it's perfect, or it's "not properly worked". Can't be both. |
| 18:33.49 | SynrGy | ,v chromium |
| 18:33.51 | judd | Package: chromium on amd64 -- wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie: 53.0.2785.89-1~deb8u1; stretch: 53.0.2785.143-1; jessie-security: 55.0.2883.75-1~deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 55.0.2883.75-1~deb8u1; sid: 55.0.2883.75-2; experimental: 55.0.2883.75-2+exp2 |
| 18:34.04 | SynrGy | jessie-proposed-updates has 55 |
| 18:34.24 | greycat | ii google-chrome-stable 55.0.2883.75-1 amd64 The web browser from Google |
| 18:34.27 | SynrGy | yes, between point-releases, it can get behind, but usually caught up next point release |
| 18:34.33 | greycat | Just for comparison. |
| 18:34.54 | JyZyXEL | isn't 55.0.2883.75-1 already old? |
| 18:35.01 | jhutchins | I just participated in a bug report on 53 that seems to have prompted 55 to be pushed to security. |
| 18:35.04 | JyZyXEL | compared to upstream |
| 18:35.29 | SynrGy | JyZyXEL: greycat was just comparing with upstream stable. why would you use anything else? |
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| 18:35.43 | greycat | Are you one of these people who thinks a software package is "old" if it's from like 3 weeks ago? |
| 18:35.50 | JyZyXEL | SynrGy: well if the debian variant does not work, i have to consider alternative solutions |
| 18:35.58 | unborn | greycat: i gave user the answer.. morally i would not use it.. firefox does better job or google chrome it self does better job.. im coder and you know me.. I would not advice rubbish at all.. regards safe usage go with firefox and regards safe execution of code - google chrome.. sorry to say that but - it just works you know :) |
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| 18:36.08 | SynrGy | JyZyXEL: why are you talking about debian? upstream has the same version |
| 18:36.16 | jelly | Setting up google-chrome-stable (55.0.2883.87-1) ... |
| 18:36.17 | JyZyXEL | i did try the latest chromium nigtly build which worked |
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| 18:36.34 | greycat | oh no, I'm 0.0.0.12 behind |
| 18:36.34 | brainspoil | hi LtL |
| 18:36.34 | SynrGy | sure, if you live and die by nightlies, fine ... |
| 18:36.49 | SynrGy | i can't afford to lose time at work to such things |
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| 18:37.11 | greycat | obviously I need to RUN HOME IMMEDIATELY and upgrade and close/restrat my browser or the software gremlins will eat my soul |
| 18:37.22 | SynrGy | :) |
| 18:37.47 | jhutchins | 55.0.2883 was built 12/9. |
| 18:37.55 | jelly | greycat: or just close it |
| 18:38.16 | jhutchins | Actually the linux build was 12/12 |
| 18:38.31 | JyZyXEL | somiaj: i copied the flash files under /usr/lib/pepperflashplugin-nonfree but about:flash still gives me: Flash pluginNot installed |
| 18:38.53 | johnkeates | Don't do that, just install the flash plugin from the repo |
| 18:39.04 | somiaj | jelly: I think ~/.config/chromium/PepperFlash is just a cache dir for flash but not where to put the plugins, sof ar the only place I found that works is /usr/lib/pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
| 18:39.10 | JyZyXEL | johnkeates: which one? |
| 18:39.31 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: did you completely restart chroium (make sure you kill all isntances) after copying the file there? All I know it works for me in both jessie and stretch with chromium 55.xxx |
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| 18:39.48 | somiaj | johnkeates: the scripts in the repo are borken and have been broken for a while. |
| 18:40.07 | JyZyXEL | somiaj: yeah i made sure it killed properly |
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| 18:41.04 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: well it works here on both my work projduction machine and my testing machines. The only part I had trouble with was figuring out I had to use /usr/lib/pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
| 18:41.21 | JyZyXEL | jessie? |
| 18:41.22 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: I don't like this solution, but I can't figure out where in $HOME chromium even looks for plugins... |
| 18:41.26 | johnkeates | pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
| 18:41.28 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: yes on both jessie at work and stretch |
| 18:41.36 | somiaj | johnkeates: that script is broken. |
| 18:41.43 | johnkeates | you can use that script to find the target directory |
| 18:41.43 | JyZyXEL | johnkeates: that package is broken |
| 18:41.48 | johnkeates | that's what i did |
| 18:41.57 | johnkeates | just extract the pkg |
| 18:42.03 | somiaj | johnkeates: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=833741 |
| 18:42.04 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/833741 in pepperflashplugin-nonfree (open, patch): «pepperflashplugin-nonfree: Feature request?: Download from Adobe instead of Google.»; severity: grave; opened: 2016-08-08; last modified: 2016-12-13. |
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| 18:42.23 | johnkeates | downloading isn't hard, placing it in the right spot and letting chrome know about it is hard |
| 18:42.26 | somiaj | johnkeates: that package does not contain any plugin. It contains scripts that extract it from google-chrome. It is better now to get the plugin directly from adobe, then copy it into place. |
| 18:42.28 | johnkeates | but the script solves that fine |
| 18:42.30 | JyZyXEL | is there a service that allows fast access to the source code of pepperflashplugin-nonfree? |
| 18:42.38 | JyZyXEL | like is there a git repo for it? |
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| 18:42.50 | somiaj | anyways the place is /usr/lib/pepperflashplugin-nonfree which has already been stated. |
| 18:42.52 | unborn | JyZyXEL: github or private git :) |
| 18:43.09 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: of course not, flash is closed source, adobe doesn't release source code. |
| 18:43.16 | somiaj | (at least none I have seen) |
| 18:43.20 | JyZyXEL | somiaj: its a script |
| 18:43.34 | johnkeates | chromium doesn't look there by defalt |
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| 18:43.55 | unborn | oh regards flash - perhaps chrome git repos otherwise no luck out there. |
| 18:43.58 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: you can get all soruce packages form debian, apt-get source or just look at the script on your system. |
| 18:44.01 | JyZyXEL | yeah, i gotta confirm this myself by looking at the source |
| 18:44.09 | johnkeates | edit: /etc/chromium.d/pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
| 18:44.16 | JyZyXEL | somiaj: why not just use https://sources.debian.net/src/pepperflashplugin-nonfree/1.8.3/ |
| 18:44.25 | johnkeates | and put in flashso="/usr/lib/pepperflashplugin-nonfree/libpepflashplayer.so" |
| 18:44.33 | johnkeates | you need more lines to make the version etc. show up |
| 18:44.45 | johnkeates | but chromium doesn't know where shared objects live |
| 18:44.50 | johnkeates | you need to let it know manually |
| 18:45.28 | somiaj | johnkeates: ahh so that script changes where chromium looks for plugins? |
| 18:45.36 | johnkeates | no, it adds a .d script |
| 18:45.44 | johnkeates | well, not even a script :D |
| 18:45.48 | johnkeates | it is bash-parsed it seems |
| 18:46.02 | johnkeates | just dpkg -x that non free pkg |
| 18:46.09 | johnkeates | in a new dir that is, it makes a mess |
| 18:46.16 | JyZyXEL | https://sources.debian.net/src/pepperflashplugin-nonfree/1.8.3/update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree/ |
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| 18:46.17 | johnkeates | and you'll get all the stuff you need :) |
| 18:46.17 | greycat | I'm so glad I don't have to pay any attention at all to what johnkeates is spewing because it's all nonsense. |
| 18:46.19 | JyZyXEL | thats the script |
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| 18:46.46 | johnkeates | greycat: good thing that you are telling everyone the right things then, imagine nobody getting help here... |
| 18:47.26 | SuperFunCat | Shots fired |
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| 18:48.13 | johnkeates | as long as you get the .so from a valid source, you can make it work as the deb has all the rest of the information |
| 18:48.32 | JyZyXEL | blah, its going to take some serious effort to read and understand this script |
| 18:48.58 | johnkeates | most of it is just to help with ripping the .so from a source and putting it in the right place |
| 18:49.19 | johnkeates | it sets up apt, gets chrome from google, gets pepperflash out of that |
| 18:49.29 | johnkeates | but you can skip that if you just have the .so for pepperflash already |
| 18:49.31 | JyZyXEL | i got a script that gets the .so from adobe |
| 18:49.45 | johnkeates | well, just get the .so manually |
| 18:49.50 | johnkeates | and copy it to the right spot |
| 18:49.53 | JyZyXEL | $LOUD_DL "http://fpdownload.adobe.com/pub/flashplayer/pdc/$VERSION/flash_player_ppapi_linux.${ARCH}.tar.gz" |
| 18:50.06 | johnkeates | and then create etc/chromium.d/pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
| 18:50.12 | johnkeates | with the path to the so |
| 18:50.15 | JyZyXEL | yup, got taht going |
| 18:50.31 | JyZyXEL | didn't seem to help though |
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| 18:50.47 | greycat | Did the bug report really not have a workaround in it? |
| 18:50.47 | johnkeates | does your chrome look at chromium.d? |
| 18:51.07 | JyZyXEL | im not sure how to make sure that it does |
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| 18:51.16 | johnkeates | you could strace it |
| 18:51.16 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: as far as I can tell, all the scrpt does is what I have already told you. It copies libpepflashplugin.so and manifest.json to /usr/lib/pepperflashplugin-nonfree -- It woks here if you dot hat normially. |
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| 18:51.38 | JyZyXEL | somiaj: what chmod/chown? |
| 18:51.43 | greycat | root, duh |
| 18:51.51 | JyZyXEL | had to make sure |
| 18:51.54 | johnkeates | that's what the script does, but you need /etc/chromium.d/ as well according to the package |
| 18:52.12 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: all that is doing is changing the permissions. If you just cp as root you get the right permssions. |
| 18:52.13 | greycat | But the package is broken, so why would you trust that? |
| 18:52.31 | johnkeates | the package is broken due to the .so download, not due to mis-configuring chrome |
| 18:52.43 | somiaj | johnkeates: ahh thanks, I should have looked there |
| 18:52.44 | _nymous_ | hey folks, i'm on jessie trying to rebuild strongswan package with additional plugins |
| 18:53.00 | JyZyXEL | maybe if i install the package it will make this work |
| 18:53.02 | _nymous_ | but fail with this http://pastebin.com/xVW9vHpM |
| 18:53.14 | johnkeates | this is what the file contains: http://paste.debian.net/902614/ |
| 18:53.22 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: http://paste.debian.net/902615/ |
| 18:53.36 | _nymous_ | i'm rebuilding jessie's package, even unmodified fails with this messages |
| 18:53.38 | johnkeates | the important part is CHROMIUM_FLAGS="$CHROMIUM_FLAGS --ppapi-flash-path=$flashso --ppapi-flash-version=$flashversion" since that loads the .so into chrome on startup |
| 18:53.42 | _nymous_ | did i missed something? |
| 18:53.44 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: yea that is what I was missing, there is a file in /etc/chromium.d/ that tells chroimum where to look for the plugin. |
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| 18:54.24 | somiaj | hence it would be better to just have a default place chromium looks for plugins. |
| 18:54.31 | jelly | _nymous_: weird, do you have all the build dependencies installed? |
| 18:54.33 | johnkeates | and then /usr/bin/chromium is a script that also takes care of loading /etc/chromium.d/* |
| 18:54.35 | TheChubu | hi! i have a question. is there a document/link that explains what Debian installer does? |
| 18:54.55 | _nymous_ | jelly: sure, openssl and libssl-dev too |
| 18:54.57 | JyZyXEL | somiaj: even with those it doesn't work |
| 18:54.57 | jelly | _nymous_: which additional plugins are you enabling? |
| 18:55.06 | _nymous_ | it actually builds, just fail tests |
| 18:55.18 | _nymous_ | i cannot build even unmodified package |
| 18:55.35 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: did you copy the file to /etc/chromium.d/ maybe call it pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
| 18:55.40 | _nymous_ | oh, i'm trying to add vici and swanctl |
| 18:56.00 | JyZyXEL | somiaj: ok when i directly enter those arguments to chromium, then it works |
| 18:56.06 | JyZyXEL | chromium --temp-profile --ppapi-flash-path=$flashso --ppapi-flash-version=$flashversion |
| 18:56.08 | JyZyXEL | that worked |
| 18:56.23 | johnkeates | is your /usr/bin/chromium a script or a binary |
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| 18:56.39 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: if you aren't using the debian package, what we say may not be valid. |
| 18:56.40 | johnkeates | it's supposed to be a script to work with /etc/chromium.d/ |
| 18:56.43 | JACK-HAMMER | debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian |
| 18:56.47 | JACK-HAMMER | debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian |
| 18:56.50 | JACK-HAMMER | debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian |
| 18:56.52 | JACK-HAMMER | debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian debian |
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| 18:56.55 | JyZyXEL | johnkeates: it is the debian wrapper |
| 18:56.57 | johnkeates | okay |
| 18:57.02 | JyZyXEL | somiaj: it is the debian package |
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| 18:57.14 | johnkeates | that means it's working alright but the wrapper fails on that file because of wrong privs maybe |
| 18:57.19 | JyZyXEL | chromium 55.0.2883.75-1~deb8u |
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| 18:57.47 | JyZyXEL | though im just gonna downgrade to v53 because it has working sound support |
| 18:57.51 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: anways, I now see why chromium looks in a paticular spot for the plugin. I still dont' like this solution, but it is what works here. Seems chromium doens't just look for plugins in a default dir and needs to be told where to look. |
| 18:57.56 | johnkeates | anyway, at least you know you're on the right track and all you need to do is fix the chromium.d |
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| 18:58.14 | JyZyXEL | johnkeates: i have it set exactly like you said |
| 18:58.19 | johnkeates | greycat: still think im spewing nonsense? ;-) |
| 18:58.29 | JyZyXEL | % cat /etc/chromium.d/pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
| 18:58.31 | JyZyXEL | flashso="/usr/lib/pepperflashplugin-nonfree/libpepflashplayer.so" |
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| 18:58.48 | JyZyXEL | /usr/lib/pepperflashplugin-nonfree/libpepflashplayer.so: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, BuildID[sha1]=c525019eaafcfc4b521239d0fec6bb3cb7f28dc2, stripped |
| 18:58.48 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: that is just one line, use the link I give, you need all three lines. |
| 18:58.51 | johnkeates | JyZyXEL: well, I wish I had more time to help, but you can probably debug it from here as you're no longer dealing with the lack of .so loading |
| 18:58.59 | johnkeates | you need all 3 lines indeed |
| 18:59.00 | JyZyXEL | somiaj: oh! |
| 18:59.02 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: also don't paste in the channel, use paste.debian.net |
| 18:59.05 | johnkeates | use exactly this: http://paste.debian.net/902614/ |
| 18:59.10 | johnkeates | nothing more, nothing less |
| 18:59.13 | greycat | johnkeates: I don't know anything about this chromium/flashpepper nonsense at all, but I would definitely start by trying somiaj's one-line explanation with actual file and directory names in it. |
| 18:59.23 | somiaj | johnkeates: it did take you quite a while to add something new to the problem, but thanks for pointing out the extra files installed in /etc/chromium.d/ |
| 18:59.33 | johnkeates | greycat: i was just teasing you a bit ;-) |
| 18:59.58 | JyZyXEL | johnkeates: awesome, its working now! |
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| 19:00.14 | johnkeates | great! thank somiaj and the others, I was just driving by |
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| 19:00.26 | JyZyXEL | this is the script i used to get the plugin itself: http://paste.debian.net/902616/ |
| 19:00.30 | johnkeates | recovering a pgsql db makes me a bit type-happy on IRC |
| 19:00.45 | johnkeates | happy flashing ;-) |
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| 19:00.56 | JyZyXEL | now i just gotta remember to manually keep it current... :D |
| 19:01.05 | JyZyXEL | what a security fail :p |
| 19:01.13 | JyZyXEL | (obviously im not gonna remember) |
| 19:01.29 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: you still have to do that with the script from debian. One day debian will update the script. |
| 19:01.33 | johnkeates | if you manage to fix the script/package, you can use the built in updater |
| 19:01.51 | JyZyXEL | i think i could simply use the script i just posted |
| 19:01.58 | somiaj | johnkeates: it still isn't run automatically with apt-get ugprades, last I saw you had to manually run it the script to update the plugin. |
| 19:02.02 | TheChubu | no one knows a reference on what debian installer does? |
| 19:02.02 | JyZyXEL | it should just unpack the new version on top of the old one |
| 19:02.18 | johnkeates | do this: mkdir deb_unpack; wget http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/contrib/p/pepperflashplugin-nonfree/pepperflashplugin-nonfree_1.8.1+deb8u1_amd64.deb; dpkg -x *.deb . |
| 19:02.21 | johnkeates | and you'l have all the fiels |
| 19:02.22 | greycat | TheChubu: what do you want to hear beyond "It installs Debian"? |
| 19:02.28 | JyZyXEL | somiaj: yeah, i had some old version as well because i had never re-run the installer |
| 19:02.46 | JyZyXEL | its pretty crazy security wise |
| 19:02.50 | somiaj | TheChubu: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ |
| 19:03.09 | JyZyXEL | somiaj: im starting to see the benefits of simply using the official chrome .deb... :P |
| 19:03.21 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: that is a problem with non-free stuff, the script is basically just a 'hack' since debian can't legally distribute it. |
| 19:03.37 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: but debian can distribute a way for you to download the plugin. |
| 19:03.54 | TheChubu | greycat: what does it copies where. what are the steps. more specifically, i want to hijack home, var and tmp directories, move them and make symlinks to them, without bricking the install prefferably. i figured i could do it at some step during the install. |
| 19:04.12 | johnkeates | TheChubu: you are doing it wrong, use preseeding instead |
| 19:04.27 | johnkeates | is somewhat rude, yet not totally wrong |
| 19:04.45 | somiaj | TheChubu: use debootstrap and manually install things. But why do you want to make /home, /var and /tmp links? |
| 19:05.04 | johnkeates | you can use a late preseed script to modify an install, and you can use the partitioner setup to make sure you get the layout you want |
| 19:05.20 | TheChubu | i want them in another partition. the 3 in the same partition. |
| 19:05.27 | johnkeates | use preseed |
| 19:05.43 | somiaj | TheChubu: that is a strange special setup. I personally would jsut modify after the install. |
| 19:05.50 | johnkeates | https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apb.html.en |
| 19:06.07 | johnkeates | you can add that file to install media or a URL to the kernel command line of the installer |
| 19:06.10 | greycat | If it's just one machine, I agree with somiaj. |
| 19:06.20 | johnkeates | i also agree with greycat |
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| 19:06.31 | johnkeates | and by proxy with somiaj |
| 19:06.35 | TheChubu | i tried that but i bricked the install. copied without copying permissions. install takes a while so i wanted to make sure to know what to do first. |
| 19:06.51 | TheChubu | copy with permissions then ln should suffice right? |
| 19:06.53 | johnkeates | you can do what you want from the installer menu |
| 19:06.55 | somiaj | TheChubu: use cp -a to ensure permissions and links get coppied correctly. |
| 19:07.04 | greycat | (or rsync) |
| 19:07.14 | somiaj | TheChubu: or just use mv, mv /var /my/location/var, mv /home/ /my/location/home, then make the links |
| 19:07.16 | johnkeates | just setup the partitions and mount points, and the installer will put it all in the right spot |
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| 19:07.32 | ShaRose | Hey, quick question, has anybody here ever installed debian over intel AMT? I find that when it tries to boot the installer it just spams that it gets errors on a specific device. |
| 19:07.36 | TheChubu | johnkeates: i tried to setup multiple mount points in the same partition but it didnt work : / |
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| 19:07.49 | johnkeates | ah, yes, bind mounts aren't supported form the installer |
| 19:08.05 | TheChubu | you can bind to a single folder, but thats all. |
| 19:08.06 | ShaRose | https://img.ShaRo.se/lJzI5.png curious how long it'll take before it times out |
| 19:08.09 | johnkeates | ShaRose: worked fine here, what AMT version? I only got it to work on 8 and up |
| 19:08.32 | ShaRose | 7 |
| 19:08.40 | johnkeates | ShaRose: also, don't install from complete IDE-R media, NFS or HTTP or PXE works better |
| 19:08.44 | somiaj | TheChubu: the more standard approach is to use a seperate partition for /home and /var and then use say tmpfs for /tmp, but yoursetup just requires manuall intervention. Just make sure you copy permisions (or move things) correctly next time. |
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| 19:09.03 | TheChubu | mv without extra params should do the trick then? |
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| 19:09.11 | johnkeates | also, most of the time you have AMT/remote block device errors, your network link is b0rked or the client just stinks (which is the case for AMT) |
| 19:09.13 | somiaj | TheChubu: correct, mv perserves permssions |
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| 19:09.20 | TheChubu | sweet |
| 19:09.24 | TheChubu | thanks a lot. |
| 19:09.33 | somiaj | TheChubu: you may also want to do this from a live system and not the running system after the isntall |
| 19:09.33 | johnkeates | ShaRose: you are better off using netboot.xyz and ipxe |
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| 19:09.53 | johnkeates | see https://netboot.xyz for that |
| 19:10.02 | johnkeates | you can load ipxe via AMT with no problems |
| 19:10.13 | ShaRose | never used that, will give it a shot |
| 19:10.13 | TheChubu | yes i got partedmagic prepared for that. although i could use debian installer itself i guess. i think it has a console with busybox... |
| 19:10.14 | ShaRose | thanks |
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| 19:10.55 | somiaj | TheChubu: after the mounts are all set up inside of /target during the installer you could hit alt-f2 and manually interveen then |
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| 19:11.32 | TheChubu | somiaj: ah i read something like that but i couldnt find the "/target" folder, where i could find it? or after which step specifically? |
| 19:11.36 | greycat | I still think it'd be easiest to do the base install, boot into single user mode, and then manipulate everything by hand. |
| 19:11.48 | somiaj | TheChubu: it is just /target (note that gives you the full path) |
| 19:12.05 | TheChubu | i guess it exists after the partition step |
| 19:12.19 | somiaj | and yes, just do it after the install is complete is easier, just be careful you don't have things running in /var /tmp when you move things around hence my suggestion of a live image or greycat single user mode |
| 19:13.32 | TheChubu | thanks, i'll do just that |
| 19:14.53 | somiaj | TheChubu: also /var is really the main problematic directroy there. You could just just make /var a partition in the installer and then moving /home and /tmp inside of /var/mystuff as links afterwards will be less problematic |
| 19:15.22 | somiaj | though this boils down to orginiziation and where to find things and doing unstandard stuff just complicates many things |
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| 19:15.26 | TheChubu | do you think it could cause issues even if i move it from a live boot? |
| 19:15.30 | greycat | I assumed he wanted /foo/tmp /foo/var /foo/home to be siblings |
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| 19:15.42 | TheChubu | yeah something like that |
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| 19:15.49 | somiaj | greycat: yea that was my thought too, I was just giving an alternative suggestion that doens't involve moving /var |
| 19:16.16 | TheChubu | i just want to maintain a bunch of stuff outside an SSD. |
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| 19:16.47 | somiaj | TheChubu: the standard approach would be lvm and indivudial partitions for each, the lvm just gives you abiltiy to resize things later if needed |
| 19:16.53 | greycat | If you simply made THREE partitions and mounted one as /tmp, one as /var, one as /home then everything would be super easy and straightforward. |
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| 19:17.20 | greycat | It's this "make them symlinks to sibling dirs in one giant partition" thing that's not standard, and therefore needs to be done manually. |
| 19:17.33 | TheChubu | i know, i just dont want to handle the resizing. i already got the HDD partitioned up. |
| 19:17.58 | TheChubu | i have no problem doing it manually. just wanted to make sure first i knew the steps. |
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| 19:18.03 | somiaj | TheChubu: what do you use this machine for? |
| 19:18.23 | TheChubu | every day stuff. coding, games, browsing, etc. |
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| 19:19.19 | hektabyte | I installed bumblebee and I'm getting better performance with integrated Intel's GPU then with Nvidia's 850M. *facepalms* |
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| 19:20.27 | somiaj | TheChubu: anyways, hopefully you found a solution. I personally find it best to not try to redesign things, there are reasons things are setup as partitions and not links. But for your use /tmp could really live in tmpfs, and I would just put a few gigs aside and keep var seperate. But that is just my opion (partly because I had a log file blow up crentally filling /var) |
| 19:20.31 | ompaul | hektabyte: what version of debian |
| 19:21.11 | TheChubu | whats tmpfs? |
| 19:21.15 | TheChubu | ramdisk? |
| 19:21.16 | hektabyte | ompaul: 8.6 x86-64 |
| 19:21.30 | greycat | TheChubu: yes |
| 19:21.55 | TheChubu | sounds reasonable. how do i setup tmpfs? i can do it from the installer? |
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| 19:22.15 | ompaul | hektabyte: interesting. |
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| 19:22.48 | hektabyte | ompaul: Indeed. Maybe I messed something up, or it's because of the drivers. |
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| 19:23.01 | somiaj | TheChubu: for the most part the bigest stuff in /var is all the .deb's apt downloads, so a few gigs should be fine, provided you apt-get clean regurally. (there are other big things that live there, but I didn't see anythign in your list that poped out) |
| 19:24.20 | jelly | TheChubu: ram+swapdisk |
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| 19:24.38 | somiaj | TheChubu: with systemd should just need 'systemctl enable tmp.mount' |
| 19:24.46 | somiaj | TheChubu: this can happen any time after the install |
| 19:24.49 | jhutchins | found something in flash that doesn't work with chromium 55: pandora. |
| 19:25.02 | TheChubu | hm. i'll try mv and see if it works out. i'll leave tmpfs for later. thanks for the help! cya |
| 19:25.19 | jelly | so basically ram disk except if there's very very very little ram free |
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| 19:27.18 | jhutchins | Yet it works in firefox, so the mozilla plugin is not what chromium's using. |
| 19:28.04 | jhutchins | JyZyXEL: So you got flash working in chromium 55? |
| 19:28.29 | NDyukov | please tell me how to install the package only for the short name? for example, I know that I need the packages:glibc,make,binutils,gcc,libaio. What is their full name? |
| 19:28.33 | JyZyXEL | jhutchins: yeah got flash working but not sound :) |
| 19:28.45 | JyZyXEL | so i have to use the older version |
| 19:28.56 | somiaj | jhutchins: the version of flash you reported was very strange. papi flash is in the 20s for the versions, current is 24.0.0.186 |
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| 19:29.03 | greycat | NDyukov: apt-get install build-essential for the first 4. |
| 19:29.18 | JyZyXEL | i don't feel like trying to backport the latest upstream chromium to jessie |
| 19:29.27 | greycat | Looks like you want libaio-dev for the last one. |
| 19:29.32 | JyZyXEL | though it might be pretty easy because jessie is almost there anyways |
| 19:29.52 | jhutchins | NDyukov: There's a meta package named build-essential that will install ALL of the possible build tools. Kitchen sink included. |
| 19:30.19 | greycat | It's the core set of dev tools (C compiler, make, etc.). Not everything. |
| 19:30.22 | jhutchins | somiaj: flashplayer-mozilla 3:11.2.202.644-dmo2 |
| 19:30.52 | jhutchins | somiaj: Is that from dmm? |
| 19:30.56 | somiaj | jhutchins: that is a very outdated flash player and also napi which chromium doesn't support. YOu might be using somethign different for flash in chromium |
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| 19:31.24 | jhutchins | ,v flashplayer-mozilla |
| 19:31.25 | judd | Package: flashplayer-mozilla on amd64 -- wheezy-multimedia/non-free: 3:24.0.0.186-dmo1; jessie-multimedia/non-free: 3:24.0.0.186-dmo2; sid-multimedia/non-free: 3:24.0.0.186-dmo2 |
| 19:31.44 | jhutchins | ... or maybe update my sources list. |
| 19:31.55 | greycat | Those all say -multimedia, so they are not real. |
| 19:31.55 | somiaj | jhutchins: and yes that isn't an offical debian package. I personally suggest using the curret papi flash and then using the wrapper for moizlla (though I have heard there is a new napi flash plugin now being made by adobe, they are supporting linus more again) |
| 19:32.37 | somiaj | jhutchins: the debian packages are flashplugin-nonfree for napi flash and pepperflashplugin-nonfree for pepperflash. Problem is the pepperflash one is broken and you have to manually copy the .so from adobe into place. |
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| 19:33.47 | somiaj | jhutchins: persoanlly I think getting directly from upstream is best right now as the scripts I mentioned are outdated and you'll get the best security running adobes current release. |
| 19:33.52 | JyZyXEL | it would be simple to modify the script that i used to add those lines automatically |
| 19:34.24 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: have to be careful about portability. The script needs to be updated so it downloads from adobe directly, I woudl just wait on that. |
| 19:34.40 | JyZyXEL | somiaj: but it does that |
| 19:34.40 | NDyukov | jhutchins: is not available |
| 19:35.08 | greycat | NDyukov: apt-get install build-essential libaio-dev |
| 19:35.23 | joobus | anyone know why chromium is version 53 on stretch but version 55 on jesse?! |
| 19:35.38 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: the pepperflash script downloads a google-chrome .deb and extracts the plugin from that. REcentally (few months ago) adobe started distributing pepper flash and npapi flash for firefox again. google-chrome stoped wrapping it in their package the same and we can no longer extract from google-crhome. |
| 19:35.38 | greycat | Because stretch does not get security updates. |
| 19:35.55 | jhutchins | ,v build-essential |
| 19:35.55 | JyZyXEL | somiaj: i said the script that _i used_ |
| 19:35.55 | judd | Package: build-essential on amd64 -- wheezy: 11.5; jessie: 11.7; sid: 12.2; stretch: 12.2 |
| 19:36.01 | JyZyXEL | i pasted it earlier |
| 19:36.09 | somiaj | joobus: install the version from sid, or wait the 10+ days for the package to clear sid and migrate normally. |
| 19:36.09 | jhutchins | NDyukov: Yes, it's available. |
| 19:36.22 | joobus | thanks guys |
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| 19:36.59 | maziar | i can not receive any email, which log should i check ? |
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| 19:38.33 | jhutchins | maziar: Depends. What are you using to receive it? |
| 19:38.36 | NDyukov | jhutchins: could not find package |
| 19:38.42 | maziar | jhutchins postfix |
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| 19:39.22 | ompaul | jhutchins: what evil call are the pandoranens using in flash me wonders that has been not present in chrome |
| 19:39.35 | jhutchins | maziar: Did it stop working or have you never had it working? |
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| 19:39.52 | jscoder | I'm trying to sync via USB with jpilot and nothing happens, but doing "pilot-xfer -l -p usb:" works as root but not as user is there maybe a group I would need to be a member of? |
| 19:40.05 | maziar | jhutchins no its new eamil server |
| 19:40.34 | ompaul | maziar: where are you checking on the box itself remotely some extra data would be good |
| 19:41.08 | jhutchins | maziar: Did you configure it? |
| 19:41.19 | jhutchins | maziar: Is port 25 open to the world? |
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| 19:41.40 | jhutchins | maziar: Are you behind a firewal or NAT router? |
| 19:41.51 | maziar | ompaul i have roundcube, i can send email to gmail, but i can not receive email, I followed this tutorial : https://workaround.org/ispmail/jessie/ |
| 19:42.26 | maziar | jhutchins tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 18092/master |
| 19:42.40 | maziar | jhutchins iconfigure it |
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| 19:44.16 | somiaj | jhutchins: hmm, seems flashplugin-nonfree correctly installs the npapi version for firefox, so provided you have that package and run update-flashplugin-nonfree --install you'll get the current version for firefox. |
| 19:44.16 | somiaj | jhutchins: to check version use about:plugins in your browser. |
| 19:44.16 | jhutchins | It should be logging to /var/log/mail.log I think. I don't have a postfix system handy to check. Definitely something under /var/log/ |
| 19:44.46 | jhutchins | somiaj: THanks, I just updated the dmo version. Required an explicit command |
| 19:45.19 | jhutchins | ,v mplayer |
| 19:45.20 | judd | Package: mplayer on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:1.0~rc4.dfsg1+svn34540-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 2:1.0~rc4.dfsg1+svn34540-1+deb7u2; stretch: 2:1.3.0-5; sid: 2:1.3.0-6; wheezy-multimedia: 3:1.1.1-dmo4.wheezy1; jessie-multimedia: 3:1.1.1+20150226+svn37375-dmo5+deb8u3; sid-multimedia: 4:1.3.0~20161101.svn37904-dmo2 |
| 19:45.51 | jhutchins | somiaj: Does debian now block automatic upgrades from DMM? If so, how? |
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| 19:46.30 | maziar | jhutchins I'am configure it |
| 19:46.37 | centrx | Use mpv instead of mplayer/mplayer2 if you're running stable (best fork in jessie) |
| 19:47.57 | jhutchins | How do I see what caused a package to auto-install? |
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| 19:48.46 | jhutchins | I appear to have version 4:1.3.0~20161125.svn37905-dmo1~bpo8+2 |
| 19:49.11 | greycat | dmo and bpo ...? *headscratch* |
| 19:49.31 | jhutchins | Ah, judd doesn't check the backports. |
| 19:49.42 | greycat | yes it does |
| 19:49.47 | centrx | you may have to purge the drive and reinstall |
| 19:49.56 | jhutchins | multimedia-backports? |
| 19:50.02 | centrx | dmo+bpo = virus |
| 19:50.09 | jscoder | I'm unable to get a list of files via USB from my palm as user but it works as root, is there a group that gives access to USB device nodes or something? |
| 19:50.10 | jhutchins | centrx: You are so full of it. |
| 19:50.16 | greycat | ,v xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 19:50.17 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-video-intel on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:2.19.0-6; wheezy-backports: 2:2.21.15-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:2.21.15-2+b2; jessie-backports: 2:2.99.917+git20161105-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 2:2.99.917+git20161105-1+b1; sid: 2:2.99.917+git20161206-1 |
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| 19:50.37 | greycat | -multimedia does not exist as far as I am concerned, so I would just ignore anything that mentions it |
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| 19:51.23 | jhutchins | greycat: Your loss. I've been a fan of his since his packages were necessary to actually do multimedia in Debian. He made it possible for a lot of people to run Debian instead of moving to another distro. |
| 19:51.28 | maziar | jhutchins i am not behind the firewall or nat |
| 19:51.38 | greycat | !mmo |
| 19:51.43 | greycat | !multimedia |
| 19:51.44 | dpkg | Debian's main repository has lots of great multimedia packages with more included in each release. Ask me about <search> to find them and <rfp> if something is not yet packaged. The old <deb-multimedia.org> has not been a "must have" repo for multimedia support for several releases; it now mostly contains poor quality packages or current Debian packages recompiled incompatible with other packages in Debian. |
| 19:52.05 | g00se1 | Is there a good way of seeing what 'new' tcp connections are being made? Was thinking somehow of running netstat with watch but it is not producing a new log file at the interval i gave |
| 19:52.09 | jhutchins | greycat: Yeah, I know its official to hate on him. It's FUD. His packages are fine. |
| 19:52.50 | jhutchins | THe ONLY issue with DMM packages is that he doesn't follow the versioning, or didn't at one point, so the offical position is to shun him. |
| 19:53.09 | jhutchins | I think it's mostly because he made the mainstream packagers look bad by doing what the couldn't or wouldn't. |
| 19:53.33 | jhutchins | In any case, his packages are good enough that judd indexes them (just not his backports). |
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| 19:59.15 | somiaj | jhutchins: it shoulnd't. I haven't used dmm, I just know it is not recommended to use. |
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| 19:59.46 | somiaj | jhutchins: note dmm probably can't distrubute the actually plugin eitehr and are just scripts downloading from adobe, hence why you have to run an extra command |
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| 20:02.07 | jhutchins | somiaj: I've used the official script in the past, familiar with how it works. |
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| 20:02.30 | jhutchins | somiaj: the bdo package appears to install like a normal package, so meybe he's breaking the rules. |
| 20:03.08 | jhutchins | somiaj: He has distributed packages in the past that Debian "can't", I think his jurisdiction may be less restrictive. |
| 20:03.49 | somiaj | jhutchins: correct, it could be he is either with or without adobe's premission just distributing libflashplugin.so as opposed to giving a script to get it yourself. |
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| 20:04.54 | jhutchins | At one point I was doing a lot of transcoding to and from various devices and needed some of the codecs he made available. |
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| 20:12.05 | sediment_testing | Anyone tested OmegaT on a debian system? |
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| 20:14.21 | unicron | so... in the initramfs environment, when i do this: lsusb -v -d 1410:7031 | sed -e "s/ */ /g" | grep -i "transfer type interrupt" ...then i get 2 lines. when the sakis3g script does the same thing, it gets nothing. that's where it's currently breaking... any tips on how to troubleshoot that? |
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| 20:14.31 | Raspberry | hello |
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| 20:15.13 | julius | hi |
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| 20:15.29 | jhutchins | Oddly, most of the adobe flash tests/demos on their site appear to work. |
| 20:15.42 | DrBunsen | Hi, I got alot of errors while booting(and have had weird behaviour for a week now like freezing and hanging), I checked dmesg but I can't tell the difference to what is what. Can someone please take a look at my dmesg? I did contain some errors: http://paste.debian.net/902634/ |
| 20:16.04 | julius | got a newtwork questions, downloading via http gives me DUP ACK's, a few hundred in the first few megabytes of the download....would it make sense to get a new dsl modem for testing? |
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| 20:16.42 | Raspberry | hello |
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| 20:17.40 | DrBunsen | hello |
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| 20:22.55 | n4dir | "Print the words 'hello world'. That is the one big hurdle ... everything else is comparatively easy". ; The C Programming Language; Ritchie & Kernighan. |
| 20:23.34 | greycat | To be fair, that book does not cover networking. |
| 20:23.39 | Raspberry | i like "Hello World" |
| 20:23.42 | Raspberry | :) |
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| 20:23.57 | tdn | I am thinking about volunteering to be a package maintainer for ReaR. But where do I begin? And how much time should I expect to spend on this? |
| 20:24.00 | n4dir | oh, i was only reffering to the hello's and hi's, not to any questions. |
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| 20:25.39 | awal1 | tdn: check #debian-mentors channel (OFTC server) |
| 20:26.20 | jhutchins | julius: I would suspect the server. |
| 20:28.12 | jhutchins | Can anyone confirm that pandora.com works with pepperflash? |
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| 20:30.30 | NDyukov | looks like, Oracle Xe and Debian do not make friends |
| 20:31.18 | DrBunsen | Don't they work together well? |
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| 20:31.36 | tdn | awal1, ok. |
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| 20:32.24 | awal1 | jhutchins: only users from usa, australia and new zealand can try :P |
| 20:32.27 | NDyukov | DrBunsen: on debian no glibc, make, libaio, binutils |
| 20:33.07 | greycat | 14:35 greycat> NDyukov: apt-get install build-essential libaio-dev |
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| 20:33.44 | greycat | And "make" is literally a valid package name, though it will be pulled in by build-essential, so you don't have to explicitly name it. |
| 20:33.57 | greycat | (Same for binutils.) |
| 20:35.17 | NDyukov | greycat: Package has no installation candidate |
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| 20:35.35 | greycat | NDyukov: Then your sources.list is incorrect, or you didn't run apt-get update, or you're not on Debian. |
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| 20:36.18 | NDyukov | greycat: in assembling the package is not |
| 20:36.31 | DrBunsen | NDyukov: I have glibc aswel |
| 20:36.33 | greycat | !exact |
| 20:36.33 | dpkg | Please tell us exactly what you typed, and exactly what the error was. Please use a <pastebin> like http://paste.debian.net/ to show long output and, where possible, have the output in English (see <localised errors>). |
| 20:37.23 | NDyukov | greycat: I have the latest version |
| 20:37.41 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 20:37.56 | greycat | Clearly a troll using a based-on-Debian. |
| 20:39.26 | g00se1 | Is there a good way of seeing what 'new' tcp connections are being made? Was thinking somehow of running netstat with watch but it is not producing a new log file at the interval i gave |
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| 20:39.34 | NDyukov | Debian 8.6.0 |
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| 20:42.49 | n4dir | no clue if tcpdump will offer such, g00se1 (i would expect it does, else i wouldn't post) |
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| 20:45.09 | NDyukov | there is an option: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/topics/linux/xe-on-kubuntu-087822.html |
| 20:45.09 | NDyukov | but the key here is outdated |
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| 20:46.25 | OdinYggd | :D |
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| 20:46.34 | OdinYggd | Who here is familiar with bcache and lvm-cache? |
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| 20:46.55 | OdinYggd | I'm looking at building a server to use a SSD cache for a raid array, but I'm not sure of the support status on my two options for how to make that work |
| 20:47.19 | OdinYggd | Last time I looked into it, it seemed that they were works in progress |
| 20:47.54 | careta | I want to connect remotely to my computer at home, and I want to resume the session where I left it - how can I achieve this? Let's say I login at home, run some apps, then go away and login remotely, and just resume that session |
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| 20:48.35 | greycat | What kind of "session"? You mean a full desktop with graphics and shit, or a terminal session? |
| 20:48.40 | n4dir | careta: screen when it comes to cli, probably vnc for other sessions |
| 20:48.43 | careta | greycat, full desktop |
| 20:48.46 | OdinYggd | ssh sessions it can be done easily using screen |
| 20:48.55 | OdinYggd | vnc, I recall issues with vncserver not using the same desktop |
| 20:49.01 | OdinYggd | Just a second I have my workstation set up for this |
| 20:49.05 | OdinYggd | will test and confirm :) |
| 20:49.08 | careta | I don't want to start a new session, I want to resume where I was when working locally |
| 20:49.11 | careta | thanks! |
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| 20:50.56 | careta | ah I think I found it! x11vnc -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9xkwblC_Zs |
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| 20:50.59 | maziar | sorry i diconnected |
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| 20:51.20 | OdinYggd | My phone is controlling the current X session over vnc |
| 20:51.33 | careta | OdinYggd, what vnc server do you use? |
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| 20:51.44 | maziar | hello all, I'm using this tutorial https://workaround.org/ispmail/jessie/ and i can not receive any email, why ? |
| 20:51.51 | g00se1 | n4dir: Thanks. Was trying to avoid installing anything new |
| 20:51.53 | OdinYggd | x11vnc -forever -rfbauth |
| 20:52.01 | OdinYggd | it has a file to make it load the password |
| 20:52.12 | careta | OdinYggd, that's what I thought, x11vnc |
| 20:52.15 | OdinYggd | For the client, I'm using a tightvnc compatible on android |
| 20:52.21 | OdinYggd | I do know this works over a SSH tunnel as well |
| 20:52.26 | OdinYggd | since I'll work from home this way |
| 20:52.26 | careta | should work I hope |
| 20:52.31 | careta | so does it play well with different resolutions then? |
| 20:52.36 | OdinYggd | scrolling |
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| 20:52.47 | OdinYggd | Especially on a phone against a 1600x1080 lcd |
| 20:52.50 | teraflops | *vnc is ugh⦠|
| 20:52.50 | careta | for example my computer will be at 1080, but my thin client will run at 4k |
| 20:52.55 | OdinYggd | Lots and lots of scrolling |
| 20:53.23 | careta | hmm I see. I wonder how it works in the opposite way, remote has higher resolution |
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| 20:53.53 | teraflops | freerdp or x2go look better |
| 20:53.54 | OdinYggd | Then it just makes a window |
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| 20:53.59 | OdinYggd | and stretches as needed |
| 20:54.06 | OdinYggd | teraflops neither are cloud based right? |
| 20:54.22 | careta | damn I was wishing it rescaled to the thin client's resolution |
| 20:54.24 | OdinYggd | vnc may be old, but vnc over a compressed SSH is pretty darn effective at everything except video/audio |
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| 20:57.55 | efloid | can anyone recommend a good gui system/cpu monitor app? |
| 20:58.23 | greycat | what would such a thing do? |
| 20:58.40 | OdinYggd | htop isn't gui, its command line. |
| 20:58.47 | OdinYggd | I wonder if there's a gui counterpart |
| 20:59.00 | n4dir | gkrml or such? wasn't that hip for a while? |
| 20:59.20 | greycat | Monitoring report: yup, you still have a CPU. |
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| 21:00.33 | OdinYggd | Still hoping to find out more current info on bcache or lvmcache, but considering how few people are likely to know it might be a while |
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| 21:02.53 | teraflops | OdinYggd: cloud based? |
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| 21:05.21 | careta | teraflops, do you know if x2go supports dynamic resizing - does it adapt resolution to the client side? |
| 21:06.01 | jhutchins | efloid: what desktop? |
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| 21:10.50 | efloid | something that would look similar to Windows task manager performance tab |
| 21:11.05 | efloid | it shows the CPU utilization percent |
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| 21:11.13 | greycat | Ugh, gods. |
| 21:11.21 | efloid | along with the max freq |
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| 21:11.27 | greycat | Laptop shit too. |
| 21:11.36 | efloid | things like top only show the utilization percent but not the max freq |
| 21:12.04 | OdinYggd | teraflops, a lot of remote desktop work from home type stuff has a third party backend to provide cloud-like accessibility |
| 21:12.15 | efloid | the reason is sometime my cpu gets locked into a power-saving state |
| 21:12.22 | jhutchins | efloid: what desktop? |
| 21:12.26 | OdinYggd | I don't trust such services because that middleman is a point of weakness, and would rather just ssh tunnel a vnc connection |
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| 21:13.09 | efloid | jhutchins: kde or gnome |
| 21:13.11 | jhutchins | OdinYggd: Most of the places I've worked use Cisco Anyconnect. |
| 21:13.16 | teraflops | careta: yes it does |
| 21:13.28 | greycat | You're not even sure whether you use kde or gnome? |
| 21:13.47 | OdinYggd | There's tons of products around for it, cisco probably sticks huge licensing fees on as usual |
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| 21:13.53 | teraflops | OdinYggd: still dont get the cloud thingy sorry |
| 21:13.56 | jhutchins | efloid: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6/html/Performance_Tuning_Guide/s-analyzeperf-gnome.html |
| 21:14.05 | efloid | LOL I use kde but of course can run a gnome app if necessary |
| 21:14.08 | jhutchins | efloid: They both have built-ins. |
| 21:14.09 | teraflops | OdinYggd: it's my fault I'm old |
| 21:14.17 | OdinYggd | Services like logmein use a 'cloud' server. |
| 21:14.23 | OdinYggd | The client maintains a connection to the cloud |
| 21:14.26 | OdinYggd | and so does the host |
| 21:14.37 | jhutchins | efloid: There are others as well, google will find them for you |
| 21:14.38 | OdinYggd | eliminates the need to make a VPN equivalent or configure firewalls |
| 21:14.47 | efloid | jhutchins: yes kde has ksysguard but it doesn't show cpu max freq |
| 21:15.02 | OdinYggd | But introduces a pretty big security hole in that all data being viewed by you is accessible to that intermediate |
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| 21:15.46 | jscoder | I'm able to retrieve a list of files on my palm via USB as root but not as user, using " |
| 21:15.50 | efloid | i hate the comparison, but actually the task manager performace tab in windows is very useful and there's no apparent Linux equivalent |
| 21:16.08 | OdinYggd | htop, which is command line |
| 21:16.20 | efloid | OdinYggd: ok will check |
| 21:16.25 | greycat | xterm -e htop # now it's a GUI! |
| 21:16.29 | teraflops | hehe |
| 21:16.35 | jscoder | I'm able to retrieve a list of files on my palm via USB as root but not as user, using "pilot-xfer -l -p usb:" does anyone know what may be preventing a normal user from getting the sync? |
| 21:16.56 | efloid | fyi i also know about dstat, sysstat, and vmstat |
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| 21:17.34 | OdinYggd | I usually use htop for the same stuff I use windows task manager for |
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| 21:17.39 | teraflops | or create yout own on using conky |
| 21:17.41 | OdinYggd | windows perfmon would be divided between htop and iotop |
| 21:17.43 | teraflops | your* |
| 21:17.52 | OdinYggd | It is also possible to pull the raw data feeds out to your own program |
| 21:17.59 | OdinYggd | and make taskbar widgets out of that |
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| 21:20.11 | efloid | htop doesn't show cpu max freq either. without knowing the % utiliization is not very useful |
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| 21:20.51 | OdinYggd | How come that matters? |
| 21:20.58 | OdinYggd | The CPU frequency should throttle based on the workload |
| 21:21.06 | OdinYggd | If its not busy, it slows down to conserve power and make less heat |
| 21:21.24 | efloid | i also think querying /proc/cpuinfo would not be useful as that will just show the theoretic cpu max freq but not whether it's being limited by power saving |
| 21:21.47 | OdinYggd | model name: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X3450 @ 2.67GHz |
| 21:21.56 | OdinYggd | It doesn't even show the frequency, only the info in the CPU model |
| 21:22.06 | efloid | exactly |
| 21:22.12 | OdinYggd | Oh wait here it is |
| 21:22.13 | OdinYggd | cpu MHz: 1197.000 |
| 21:22.21 | OdinYggd | This is coming from an idle fileserver |
| 21:22.26 | OdinYggd | And has clearly throttled itself |
| 21:24.56 | efloid | FYI here's what the Windows one looks like: http://pasteboard.co/aDuXbMuD7.png |
| 21:25.29 | jhutchins | efloid: The Windows Task Manager is a blinkey light. It is known to be extremely innacurate. |
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| 21:25.49 | jhutchins | efloid: THere are many system monitoring tools in Linux, learn about some of them before you criticize. |
| 21:26.04 | greycat | Just ask your desktop's channel for a laptop applet thingy that fits your needs, if nobody here knows of one. |
| 21:26.45 | jhutchins | greycat: He doesn't like the KDE one. |
| 21:27.01 | greycat | Maybe there's more than one? I have no idea. |
| 21:28.11 | OdinYggd | Probably lots |
| 21:28.18 | greycat | Alternatively, if you can figure out which file in /proc or /sys has the data you want, you could write a stupid little shell script that writes the value to a transparent 3x1 terminal every n seconds. |
| 21:28.23 | OdinYggd | I've seen more than a few screenshots with dashboards people have come up with |
| 21:28.35 | OdinYggd | /proc/cpuinfo shows a cpu frequency, which on an idle server is well below its rated |
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| 21:28.47 | OdinYggd | Dunno how often that updates, but task manager doesn't update the cpu frequency that often either |
| 21:28.54 | greycat | I would not fancy parsing it out of /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 21:29.27 | greycat | I'm not even convinced the values in /proc/cpuinfo are dynamic. |
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| 21:29.47 | OdinYggd | Trying to find a way to throw some load on the server I checked it on to see if it changes. |
| 21:29.53 | OdinYggd | 3.4Ghz CPU reporting 1197 mhz |
| 21:30.06 | OdinYggd | since it is only passing a few packets right now and there's onyl 2 employees in the building, its idling |
| 21:30.07 | jhutchins | I get results like "top 20" when I do a search for Linux gui system monitor, there's no shortage of alternatives. |
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| 21:31.03 | jhutchins | When I had a laptop that tended to overheat and run the CPU at 100% all the time I just threw cpufreq on it and it fixed it, I didn't have to monitor it. |
| 21:31.13 | hicksd | run stress on it, that'll max out as many cores as you want and unless it's deliberatly throttled you should see it hit max speed (until any thermal issues kick in) |
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| 21:32.20 | jhutchins | ,v stress |
| 21:32.21 | judd | Package: stress on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.1-1; jessie: 1.0.1-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 1.0.4-1~bpo8+1; sid: 1.0.4-2; stretch: 1.0.4-2 |
| 21:32.27 | jhutchins | ,v stress-ng |
| 21:32.28 | judd | Package: stress-ng on amd64 -- jessie: 0.01.32-1; stretch: 0.07.08-1; sid: 0.07.11-1 |
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| 21:33.04 | efloid | well i just finished my first python course and we touched on reporting os & system info only briefly. maybe i can delve into it and create something |
| 21:33.23 | OdinYggd | watch /proc/cpuinfo | grep cpu clearly shows the cores changing frequency in response to loads |
| 21:33.43 | jscoder | Here is an strace as root http://paste.debian.net/902647/ where I am able to connect to my palm, here is an strace as user where it doesn't work http://paste.debian.net/902648/ can anyone tell me what the problem might be? it seems to be accessing the device nodes in either case |
| 21:33.43 | efloid | maybe something in the platform or os modules |
| 21:33.48 | OdinYggd | rather |
| 21:33.57 | OdinYggd | watch "cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep MHz" |
| 21:34.14 | OdinYggd | gives me a list of frequencies, one for each core, and updates every 2 seconds for default settings of watch |
| 21:34.25 | greycat | OdinYggd: OK, if that's dynamic and if nobody knows an easier file in /proc to scrape the data out of, you could write a shell script to parse /proc/cpuinfo every 10 seconds and write the value to a 3x1 transparent terminal. |
| 21:34.40 | greycat | Voila, a CPU frequency monitor. |
| 21:35.02 | greycat | OK, larger than 3x1. Say, 4x1 and you truncate the decimal. |
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| 21:35.58 | hicksd | if you want more cpu info, cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_cur_freq |
| 21:36.20 | hicksd | there's also cpu/intel_pstate/ for the min/max/turbo current settings |
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| 21:36.26 | hicksd | assumingit's an intel anyway |
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| 21:37.40 | greycat | gah, needs root to read that... |
| 21:37.59 | kion | what about w or top and watch the load average |
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| 21:39.32 | greycat | He specifically wants the CPU frequency. |
| 21:39.47 | OdinYggd | I already suggested htop, cpu frequency is required. |
| 21:39.55 | teraflops | kion: cpustat shows load avg too |
| 21:40.12 | jscoder | hmm.. its lack of write support to authenticate.. I need one of those hotplug rule things |
| 21:40.13 | OdinYggd | Even though the only time I would expect it to be an issue is if the hardware is failing, and you have bigger problems than not performing well |
| 21:40.29 | OdinYggd | It is doing what it is supposed to and reducing frequency to limit heat output when there isn't work for it |
| 21:41.08 | kion | teraflops, seems like cpustat is not installed in Debian by default |
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| 21:41.37 | hicksd | what about scaling_cur_freq |
| 21:41.50 | greycat | neither is htop |
| 21:42.04 | jscoder | I need to write a rule to make sure that a device node is writable as a normal user to a USB device when it connects, where do those go? |
| 21:42.17 | greycat | and cpustat isn't even a package name in jessie... |
| 21:42.20 | efloid | FYI: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq |
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| 21:42.51 | greycat | OK, that one doesn't need root. |
| 21:42.52 | efloid | i could make a little python scrip that iterates through each cpu and prints the info |
| 21:42.53 | OdinYggd | <hicksd> if you want more cpu info, cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_cur_freq |
| 21:42.56 | OdinYggd | this gives a fun number |
| 21:43.00 | OdinYggd | but its just a number, easy to math |
| 21:43.03 | OdinYggd | don't have to parse it out |
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| 21:43.26 | teraflops | ,v cpustat |
| 21:43.27 | judd | Package: cpustat on amd64 -- stretch: 0.01.29-1; sid: 0.02.01-1 |
| 21:43.32 | efloid | hicksd: that's funny we both found the same thing |
| 21:43.33 | teraflops | ogh |
| 21:43.48 | hicksd | just had a quick ddg on the difference http://www.pantz.org/software/cpufreq/usingcpufreqonlinux.html |
| 21:44.10 | OdinYggd | efloid why does the CPU frequency matter that much? I would expect the default throttling to be perfectly fine unless the power management was going nuts |
| 21:44.26 | OdinYggd | laptops always throttle back on battery, the cooling fan takes too much power |
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| 21:45.08 | efloid | OdinYggd: i've noticed in the past that after resume it would get stuck in a power saving state |
| 21:45.09 | teraflops | I just forgot the source of this conversation :s |
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| 21:45.50 | hicksd | efloid: I've seen that with my laptop too |
| 21:45.56 | hicksd | even after plugging it in again |
| 21:46.06 | efloid | OdinYggd: when i notice the perormance decreasing i want to check |
| 21:46.08 | OdinYggd | bios update time? possibly microcode update? |
| 21:46.14 | hicksd | I usually just set the max cpu freq to 100 and no_turbo to 0 to get it back out of it via a shell script |
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| 21:46.48 | hicksd | although it's pretty infrequent. |
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| 21:47.48 | OdinYggd | In that case couldn't you just make a script that monitors the CPU frequency, CPU load, and power management status? |
| 21:48.19 | OdinYggd | Make it so that if the CPU load is > 50%, CPU frequency < 100% and power management shows it is on AC, reset the throttling so it goes to full power |
| 21:48.26 | hicksd | in xfce there'sa little cpu task thing that will show current freq |
| 21:49.07 | greycat | xterm -geometry 5x1 -e bash -c 'while sleep 2; do read freq < /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq; printf "%04d\r" $((freq/1024)); done' |
| 21:49.18 | jhutchins | Yeah, you can change the current CPU throttling state. |
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| 21:51.42 | JyZyXEL | interesting, when i put my GPU under load, syslog started spamming messages like: "fancontrol[28145]: /usr/sbin/fancontrol: line 492: [: too many arguments" |
| 21:51.57 | greycat | Your shell script is broken. |
| 21:52.09 | JyZyXEL | greycat: its part of lm-sensors though... |
| 21:52.14 | greycat | Or the package's shell script, if that came from a Debian package. |
| 21:52.27 | OdinYggd | Speaking of broken sensors, I've got a 750TI with a dead fan control |
| 21:52.42 | OdinYggd | Would not turn the fan on no matter how much I pushed it- I took it to 80C at one point to see if it would go |
| 21:52.44 | JyZyXEL | if its failing to regulate the speed of the GPU fan, then this could possibly be a hardware endangering bug |
| 21:53.03 | OdinYggd | Yes, so I instead wired the fan to run directly off the PSU's 12v |
| 21:53.06 | rapha | i got a T23 here which never feels like it needs its fan |
| 21:53.11 | OdinYggd | Stays at a comfy 50C now while mining altcoins |
| 21:53.44 | OdinYggd | Was a free 750TI that my brother in law got for cheap |
| 21:53.48 | rapha | altcoins, that the new thing now after bitcoins are dead (tm)? |
| 21:53.58 | OdinYggd | No, the goal is still bitcoins |
| 21:54.01 | rapha | k |
| 21:54.05 | OdinYggd | but altcoins are easier to mine and have less competition |
| 21:54.09 | rapha | oic |
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| 21:54.16 | OdinYggd | so you GPU mine altcoins, then sell them to get bitcoin |
| 21:54.27 | OdinYggd | cause mining bitcoin directly, GPUs don't compare to asics |
| 21:54.36 | rapha | i guess if you yield more than you have to invest in power.... |
| 21:55.19 | OdinYggd | Anyone here familiar with bcache or lvm-cache |
| 21:55.45 | oaps | if i want to make avahi less chatty and only send packets when i ask it to resolve a .local address, or as a response to an mdns request for my .local address from the network, is it enough to set disable-publishing=yes in /etc/avahi/avahi-daemon.conf? |
| 21:55.46 | OdinYggd | I'm looking at using a SSD to catch a raid10 set, but support for these two cache types still seems to be very early |
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| 22:01.35 | magnetophon | Hi, I'm running debian on an aluminium imac, and it's getting quite hot. Some of the sensors are reading 80C / 175 F. Is that OK? Anything I can do? |
| 22:02.54 | magnetophon | It's my parents machine, and I'd hate to break it, even more than if it was my own! |
| 22:02.56 | OdinYggd | That is not okay at all |
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| 22:03.00 | greycat | General purpose answer: make sure all the vents are clear of dust, not blocked by your lap, etc. |
| 22:03.06 | OdinYggd | Is it clean? Does it have good airflow |
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| 22:03.57 | magnetophon | OdinYggd greycat: I think it's clean, as it was never in a dusty room, but it's a bit hard to open. |
| 22:04.22 | greycat | I wouldn't attempt to open it at this point. Just visually inspect it for obvious clogging. |
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| 22:05.39 | magnetophon | greycat: all seems fine, but then again, there is only a slit on top for venting |
| 22:06.10 | greycat | I don't know this hardware, but how is there supposed to be airflow if there aren't at least 2 openings? |
| 22:06.40 | magnetophon | greycat: erm, true. there's also holes in the bottom |
| 22:07.01 | greycat | Those are the ones I'd worry about. If you're using this on your lap, or other non-rigid surface, those can easily be blocked. |
| 22:07.13 | magnetophon | it's one of these: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5a/IMac_20inch_Aluminum.jpeg |
| 22:07.41 | magnetophon | greycat: no, it's on a stand. see pic |
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| 22:08.12 | greycat | Oh, thought it was a laptop. |
| 22:08.22 | OdinYggd | imac, one of those big old beasts |
| 22:08.27 | OdinYggd | I remember those |
| 22:08.33 | OdinYggd | Hard to believe you've got one that still works |
| 22:08.41 | OdinYggd | Does it have airflow thorugh the slots it has though? |
| 22:08.47 | OdinYggd | At the age it is, the fans may have seized up |
| 22:09.16 | magnetophon | OdinYggd: are you thinking of the bright coloured ones? did you see the pic? I think it's from 2009. |
| 22:09.31 | greycat | more than old enough for fans to stop rotating |
| 22:09.41 | greycat | assuming it even has any |
| 22:09.42 | OdinYggd | Just looked, was thinking the CRT based imacs with colored frames |
| 22:09.56 | OdinYggd | but still, fans stop working after only a year or two of service in some cases |
| 22:10.00 | OdinYggd | Check it carefully |
| 22:10.32 | magnetophon | OdinYggd greycat: there's 3 fans in the sensor applications, all spinning at +/- 100 rpm, with a max of 3500rpm |
| 22:10.45 | magnetophon | sorry 1000rpm |
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| 22:11.21 | OdinYggd | Hmm |
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| 22:11.33 | OdinYggd | Should be pegged if it is hitting 80C |
| 22:11.48 | OdinYggd | Throttling targets on a PC mainboard at least are usually like 60C 70C |
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| 22:12.30 | magnetophon | OdinYggd: yeah, seems strange thqat the fans are not @ max speed, right? |
| 22:12.41 | OdinYggd | Very |
| 22:12.51 | OdinYggd | If it is actually that hot, the fans should be running flat out |
| 22:13.00 | OdinYggd | Likely it is running hot because they aren't spinning fast enough |
| 22:13.16 | OdinYggd | It is a mac though, different rules |
| 22:13.26 | magnetophon | why? |
| 22:13.32 | magnetophon | what do you mean? |
| 22:14.05 | OdinYggd | The temp targets and configurations might not be what I'm used to |
| 22:14.20 | aaro | magnetophon, you may try adding 'acpi_osi=Linux' to your kernel boot options, my laptop fan started spinning after using that |
| 22:14.36 | magnetophon | OdinYggd: it's just normal intel CPU's and such |
| 22:14.48 | magnetophon | aaro: thanks! |
| 22:14.49 | OdinYggd | I don't remember when they made that transition |
| 22:14.51 | OdinYggd | Current hardware is yes |
| 22:15.13 | magnetophon | OdinYggd: this one is intel too |
| 22:15.32 | OdinYggd | So it should be targetting 60C or 70C, at 80C it would be flat out |
| 22:15.36 | OdinYggd | Does it have an accessible bios? |
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| 22:15.49 | OdinYggd | Some systems show temp and fan speed in the bios, see what is being reported there. |
| 22:16.07 | magnetophon | OdinYggd: not that I know of. |
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| 22:16.51 | magnetophon | OdinYggd: it does feel quite hot to the touch, and I can hardly hear fans, so the measurements seem legit. |
| 22:17.22 | magnetophon | OdinYggd: but I'll try and google up a way to the bios anyway. |
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| 22:18.28 | OdinYggd | PCs usually let you at least. You'd have to reboot anyway for aaro's suggestion |
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| 22:18.39 | OdinYggd | try his suggestion, then reboot and check in the bios on the way there |
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| 22:19.11 | magnetophon | OdinYggd: yeah, there's a bios under a special key combo |
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| 22:19.34 | n4dir | magnetophon: https://www.techwalla.com/articles/how-to-get-to-the-bios-in-mac-os-x ? |
| 22:19.40 | OdinYggd | This is where macs do things very differently from PCs |
| 22:19.52 | OdinYggd | but if it is accessible and shows temp and fan speed, you could check that the sensors are working |
| 22:20.02 | magnetophon | aaro: thanks, that's the one I was looking at too |
| 22:20.13 | OdinYggd | Might even show you the temp targets- I've had retail boards for custom PC builds with configurable targets |
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| 22:21.40 | magnetophon | n4dir: thanks, that's the one I was looking at too |
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| 22:22.38 | magnetophon | OK, thanks everyone. I'm going for that reboot. BRB with a report. :) OdinYggd, greycat, aaro, n4dir |
| 22:22.42 | n4dir | i got a Mac here which runs Tiger. Looks like your picture. Well: weird. Good luck |
| 22:23.03 | magnetophon | n4dir: what temperatures are you getting? |
| 22:23.04 | n4dir | that was the last one which had ppc support, iirc. |
| 22:23.19 | magnetophon | this one is intel |
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| 22:23.32 | n4dir | magnetophon: i didn't realize anything unusual. but i hardly boot it. Would want to put Debian or BSD on it, but fear all the headaches |
| 22:23.57 | nabblet | I have a question about apt (in combination with raspian and ROS, so it's semi-offtopic?): I added "http://packages.ros.org/ros/ubuntu jessie main" to my sources list, added the repo's key and ran apt-get update ... but I can not find the packages this repo should contain in apt. |
| 22:24.20 | oaps | nabblet: find how? |
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| 22:24.29 | magnetophon | n4dir: it was easy as pie. everything worked after a plain install. go for it. |
| 22:24.36 | greycat | He's adding an ubuntu repo to a raspbian system and the repo says "jessie" on it. |
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| 22:24.39 | n4dir | OdinYggd: said above he had no clue when the ppc-intel change was made. I checked if i could install a newer OS, but the following ones won't support ppc anymore. Just a bit of side info |
| 22:24.40 | greycat | Not even gonna TRY to touch that. |
| 22:24.59 | n4dir | magnetophon: thanks for that. will try asap |
| 22:25.19 | OdinYggd | I remember the older macs were PPC, but I don't remember when they started making them with Intel |
| 22:25.28 | OdinYggd | It sounds like 2009 might have been it |
| 22:25.55 | nabblet | oaps: e.g. i should have ros-kinetic-cv-bridge but if I run apt-get install on it, it wails with "Unable to loacte packages ros-kinetic-cv-bridge" |
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| 22:26.26 | n4dir | OdinYggd: that was my whole point: sounds like it. |
| 22:26.37 | magnetophon | n4dir: I spent a day trying to get NixOS running, (my new love after 10 years of debian), but kept having GPU issues (black screen after modeset). debian was 100% OK first try. |
| 22:27.05 | magnetophon | debian is cool! |
| 22:27.13 | magnetophon | brb |
| 22:27.39 | n4dir | Yeah, i once had an elder ppc, now dead. The hard part was to find the keyboard-shortcuts. debian was rather easy (perhaps i had problems with the graphics, not sure) |
| 22:27.42 | nabblet | greycat: I understand your concern, but as far as I understand they (i.e. ROS) are actually differenciating it. Officially they only support (i.e. build) for ubuntu, but they do it for debian too http://packages.ros.org/ros/ubuntu/dists/ |
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| 22:28.19 | OdinYggd | Ubuntu and Debian do have a good bit in common, but packages that are in Ubuntu stable might still be in Debian testing. |
| 22:28.29 | OdinYggd | Mixing distros is an experts-only subject usually |
| 22:28.48 | nabblet | OdinYggd: That's why I am trusting the ROS guys to do it correctly :) |
| 22:28.53 | OdinYggd | Add the cross platform madness of a Pi in , and you're in for a big mess |
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| 22:29.29 | nabblet | yep, learning the the hard way.... sooooo.... gentoo? :) |
| 22:30.14 | n4dir | nothing hard about gentoo, if you ask me. as long we speak about package-management |
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| 22:32.10 | nabblet | n4dir: actually i already tried ros on gentoo on my desktop. went semi-well |
| 22:32.35 | nabblet | AFK - thanks for your support/interest so far :) |
| 22:32.46 | TheChubu | so thanks to the people who helped me earlier, managed to move home,var and tmp during the install via /target and everything worked :D |
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| 22:33.10 | OdinYggd | Any luck? |
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| 22:33.40 | nabblet | OdinYggd: you're asking me? |
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| 22:33.56 | OdinYggd | magnetophon |
| 22:34.04 | OdinYggd | Was helping him with an overheating mac |
| 22:34.11 | nabblet | oic :) |
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| 22:34.29 | magnetophon | OdinYggd: I didn't get into the bios. what's the "mac option key" on a regular keyboard? I assumed alt, but that didn't work |
| 22:34.41 | OdinYggd | I would think it is the windows key |
| 22:34.49 | OdinYggd | between ctrl and alt on my machine |
| 22:34.50 | magnetophon | I did add the boot option, but no change in measurements |
| 22:34.54 | OdinYggd | k |
| 22:35.28 | n4dir | try the windows key, magnetophon . And one how-to told me to hit it late, didn't work. Then i hit it right after power-on, and it worked (or the other way around). |
| 22:35.42 | magnetophon | OdinYggd: no, that one is called the Command key, and it's also part of the key combo |
| 22:35.56 | OdinYggd | Dunno then |
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| 22:36.11 | OdinYggd | Oh, on a very Debian-related matter |
| 22:36.17 | OdinYggd | is Debian 7 being phased out already? |
| 22:36.28 | n4dir | magnetophon: there are websites who tell the according PC keys |
| 22:36.32 | TheChubu | no idea |
| 22:36.40 | TheChubu | been using testing since forever :3 |
| 22:36.45 | OdinYggd | I'm noticing stuff whining about being out of date, yet there aren't new updates in the repo other than the usual bugfixes |
| 22:36.51 | OdinYggd | iirc Jessie is finally stable |
| 22:37.13 | magnetophon | n4dir: do you have your mac close by? and does it have a mac keyboard? If so you could help me identify the right keys |
| 22:37.37 | n4dir | the mac is here, but no mac keyboard. I feel your pain |
| 22:38.30 | magnetophon | n4dir: :) the manual says: "Open OpenFirmware by holding down the "Command," "Option," "O" and "F" keys simultaneously." So I need the win key plus something else. |
| 22:38.54 | n4dir | shooting in the dark: might be C is what i used |
| 22:39.40 | magnetophon | n4dir: C? as in the letter C? instead of O and F? or in addition to? |
| 22:40.34 | OdinYggd | You want the menu key |
| 22:40.41 | n4dir | i meant for option or command. There are websites, but it takes a bit to find them. Look if that helps http://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apple-option-key-from-an-non-apple-keyboard.373139/ |
| 22:40.44 | OdinYggd | Sources tell me its the button on the right between the right winkey and right ctrl |
| 22:40.54 | OdinYggd | This is apparently called the menu key, and I've never noticed it till now |
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| 22:42.19 | magnetophon | n4dir: OdinYggd: that link says: "On a generic USB keyboard the Alt key works as Option, and the Windows key works as Command.", but I already tried that (though maybe with the wring timing) |
| 22:42.21 | random_numbers | What do you people tend to use to manage your schedules via repo packages? Do you just go with thunderbird's calendar or something like calcurse or wyrd/remind? |
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| 22:43.03 | magnetophon | OdinYggd: I'll try the menu key. (that's the one you use for popup menu's, right?) |
| 22:43.31 | magnetophon | brb |
| 22:43.34 | n4dir | magnetophon: i told you i hesitate to put debian on it, all that fiddling and rebooting is a pain for me. :-) Good luck |
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| 22:48.12 | magnetophon | hmm, tried every combo with either alt or menu, either before or right after power button, no luck. |
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| 22:48.46 | magnetophon | I'll try googling a bit more, to see if there's different keycombo's for different models |
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| 22:49.56 | hiexpo | hi ya all |
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| 22:53.36 | random_numbers | hiexpo: Hey. |
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| 22:58.35 | magnetophon | OdinYggd, n4dir: didn't find anything yet. If it matters: the CPU is at around 45C. It's parts called TG0D, TG0H and TG0p that are around 80C. does that change anything? (I have'nt looked up what those parts are yet) |
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| 23:05.05 | efloid | it would be cool if you could use a lambda expression to average the value of all CPUs in greycat's code: bash -c 'while sleep .5; do read freq < /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq; printf "%04d\r" $((freq/1024)); done' |
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| 23:10.03 | efloid | here's something really cool http://echorand.me/site/notes/articles/python_linux/article.html |
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| 23:10.39 | SRK1 | hi Everyone |
| 23:11.21 | SRK1 | hi can anyone suggest me with gcc command i am stuck get some error |
| 23:11.52 | SRK1 | i mean i am getting error message after using GCC command ...? |
| 23:12.19 | awal1 | dpkg: tell SRK1 about bat |
| 23:13.12 | SRK1 | when i try to run ....gcc 643-fixed.c -o slmail-linux |
| 23:13.21 | jscoder | SRK1: paste output on paste.debian.net |
| 23:13.56 | SRK1 | error: unknown type name âdefineâ |
| 23:13.56 | SRK1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:13.56 | SRK1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:13.56 | SRK1 | 643-fixed.c:12:15: error: expected â=â, â,â, â;â, âasmâ or â__attribute__â before string constant |
| 23:13.56 | SRK1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:14.46 | jscoder | tried to tollem |
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| 23:21.57 | TheChubu | does anybody knows in which package gnome themes are placed? (ie Adwaita) |
| 23:22.16 | TheChubu | i need Adwaita gtk3 but Xfce installs gtk2 version only. |
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| 23:23.33 | jscoder | SRK1: your issue isn't really a debian issue, the code is buggy. If you tell us more about what you're doing maybe we can at least redirect you to someone who can help |
| 23:24.00 | SRK1 | jscode |
| 23:24.53 | SRK1 | jscoder i am trying to complete fixing the exploit topic and after i add the payload i get this error message, |
| 23:25.20 | bazhang | SRK1, a dll? |
| 23:25.21 | jscoder | I seen a bit of the message, the code is buggy, the keyword define is used improperly |
| 23:25.35 | SRK1 | I know i may be doing something wrong but totally lost |
| 23:26.16 | jscoder | SRK1: I'm at a loss what you mean about "exploit topic" and "payload" what is the problem you're trying to fix exactly? |
| 23:27.28 | nabblet | n4dir: problem is that i will probalby have a hard time getting the rasicam up and running. So far I tried ubuntu on raspi already. even got raspicam working. but it suddenly stopped working. I suspect an update but have no hard evidence. |
| 23:27.37 | jscoder | SRK1: you're clearly in the wrong place, there are programming channels that can help debug the code, but you're probably going about the problem all wrong in the first place. So we need to rewind back to the original issue to help you best |
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| 23:28.02 | SRK1 | cool |
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| 23:28.17 | TheChubu | gnome-themes-standard-data it seems. title says it contains gtk2 themes, but it also contains gtk3 css stuff. |
| 23:28.19 | SRK1 | which channgel i should follow please advise me jscoder |
| 23:28.48 | jscoder | SRK1: yeah, cool.. so I'd start with what you are trying to fix.. what is this code you're compiling and what are you trying to fix by doing it? |
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| 23:31.02 | jscoder | TheChubu: is adwaita-icon-theme perhaps what you're looking for? |
| 23:31.18 | SRK1 | from exploit database - i choose window-remote--643.c and 646.c and then i edit with my own payload at mentioned in the video, after adding the payload with the ip address, i try to complite it by giving command gcc i get error saying unknow |
| 23:32.53 | TheChubu | jscoder: it was in gnome-themes-standard-data. it says it only contains gtk2, but it also contains gtk3 stuff. |
| 23:33.46 | TheChubu | oh wait. hm... adwaita dark doesnt has a gtk3 file |
| 23:33.48 | TheChubu | how weird |
| 23:34.33 | jscoder | TheChubu: well there is also mate in debian now which is a fork of gnome2 which also uses these things |
| 23:36.05 | jscoder | SRK1: you're testing an exploit on SLmail? this has absolutely nothing to do with debian. I'm still not clear on why you're fooling with a decade old exploit for some windows mail server to know if there is somewhere you can be directed for help |
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| 23:36.32 | TheChubu | jscoder: im using Xfce. adwaita theme is the default. but some programs use gtk3, and those get the adwaita light theme, instead of the dark one. |
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| 23:36.59 | Gustorn | Hello, is it okay to ask questions in this channel? |
| 23:37.02 | SRK1 | ok |
| 23:37.28 | Gustorn | Okay thanks, One of my friends told me it is possible to install debian on my Iphone 7 I tried searching on the wiki about this but I can't find anything |
| 23:37.53 | Gustorn | Does anybody in this chat have debian on his iphone? |
| 23:38.00 | Gustorn | maybe something like kali |
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| 23:38.06 | SWAT | does anyone here have info on how to build an unpriviledged lxc debian container from scratch? The only option currently seems to download it from lxcontainers |
| 23:38.30 | TheChubu | Gustorn: i have no idea but it seems... unlikely |
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| 23:38.40 | Gustorn | It is possible on youtube |
| 23:38.55 | Gustorn | So why can't I not have sweat linux on my iphone |
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| 23:39.59 | TheChubu | what do you mean by "its possible on youtube" ? |
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| 23:40.16 | Gustorn | People having Ubuntu on their Iphone |
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| 23:41.28 | jscoder | I once installed debian on an android but its really not all its cracked up to be, it mostly just accesses the system through a vnc viewer |
| 23:41.30 | Gustorn | I was hoping to find some debian guru on this IRC the could point me the right way... |
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| 23:41.57 | Gustorn | There we go jscoder gets the memo now we need it on an iphone |
| 23:42.04 | Gustorn | How hard can it be? |
| 23:42.29 | Gustorn | Debian would destroy all the distro's if it had iphone support... |
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| 23:43.18 | stew | I wouldn't want to see other distros get destroyed so... :) |
| 23:43.44 | random_numbers | I'm not sure how you'd deal with right-click kind of stuff, and with keyboards not being an option, that limits your choice of WMs. |
| 23:44.02 | Gustorn | as WM you must pick i3 on debian |
| 23:44.11 | Gustorn | i3 will even work on the iphone |
| 23:44.14 | random_numbers | WindowMaker could be an option, maybe that phone-like gnome. |
| 23:44.31 | jscoder | Gustorn: yeah well ios had that stuff called cydia that could install debs on a jailbroken device, it allows you use of many 3rd party apps, mouse support, etc.. but its not really a matter for #debian |
| 23:44.35 | random_numbers | Gustorn: It'll work, but since phones only have virtual keyboards, it'll likely be pretty bad. |
| 23:44.56 | Gustorn | i3 hype |
| 23:45.01 | random_numbers | Unless you mean to use an older-style phone with an actual keyboard, but that's less common. |
| 23:45.13 | Gustorn | jscoder you got a link for that stuff? |
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| 23:45.28 | jscoder | Gustorn: running a desktop os on a mobile isn't really a practical idea. I've done it like I said.. its not really useful.. mobile os were created for a reason.. |
| 23:45.29 | random_numbers | One tends to see either smartphones or flipphones |
| 23:45.35 | Gustorn | would prefer Ubunut or arch but debian is alright I guess... |
| 23:45.55 | Gustorn | Everything is better than ios their spyware... |
| 23:45.58 | random_numbers | jscoder: Well, it'd be appreciable to have one OS that's not overtly spying on you. |
| 23:46.10 | Gustorn | I am doing some shady stuff atm can't have apple track that ;) |
| 23:46.18 | random_numbers | Though that also means destroying the GSM. |
| 23:46.32 | jscoder | Gustorn: see https://cydia.saurik.com/ and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cydia google around, learn to jailbreak your device and install cydia.. its not within the scope of this channel |
| 23:46.46 | Gustorn | Ubuntu supported? |
| 23:46.51 | Gustorn | or does the distro not matter |
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| 23:46.55 | Gustorn | debian is alright |
| 23:47.07 | jscoder | random_numbers: well that may be so.. but even if the hardware supported installing debian or something, its not going to work with the hardware and still be usable as a phone on your company's network |
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| 23:47.58 | Gustorn | jscoder would you do it for me if I paid you? |
| 23:48.01 | jscoder | Gustorn: cydia is just like adding a 3rd party app store to your phone to install deb packages that contain software not available on itunes store. as I said, running a desktop os on a phone isn't going to work. |
| 23:48.06 | random_numbers | jscoder: Probably not, given that broadband chips being capable of exploiting DMA, you have to remove it. |
| 23:48.10 | Gustorn | egh 400$? |
| 23:48.20 | random_numbers | s/broadband/that thing for cellphone access/ |
| 23:49.04 | jscoder | Gustorn: if you did get it to run natively, you wont have a phone anymore you'll have a handheld desktop that doesnt support the features as a phone.. if you run it on top of IOS you have a desktop OS that is difficult to use due to I/O, like on screen keyboard and small screen |
| 23:49.10 | Gustorn | Okay jscoder how much do I have to pay you to put Arch on it with i3? |
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| 23:49.43 | Gustorn | ill just pick a lightweight deskop env. no worries |
| 23:49.49 | jscoder | I don't even know what i3 is, and you're as I said, way off topic for this channel, and your idea is not realistic |
| 23:49.50 | Gustorn | XUbuntu or something |
| 23:50.14 | Gustorn | i3 is the best WM for debian |
| 23:50.25 | jscoder | its not about a lightweight desktop, ios is made the way it is to have big icons and easy to navigate software because IT IS A PHONE, not a computer |
| 23:50.26 | random_numbers | Fairphone is a thing... |
| 23:50.46 | Gustorn | Don't worry I can operate the terminal |
| 23:51.00 | Gustorn | the linux terminal cd ls ... :) |
| 23:51.36 | jscoder | you can install a terminal on your phone and do things like run irssi and stuff just by jailbraking it and installing 3rd party apps on the OS you already have.. thats what projects like cydia are for |
| 23:51.53 | Gustorn | yeah but without debian I won't have the colours |
| 23:52.43 | jscoder | I had an ipod touch 3rd gen jailbroken with cydia and I used it with synergy and could take the mouse right off my debian laptop onto the ipod |
| 23:52.53 | jscoder | but I wouldn't go trying to install debian to replace IOS |
| 23:52.54 | Gustorn | There we go |
| 23:53.09 | Gustorn | jscoder I am taking it one step beyong |
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| 23:53.16 | Gustorn | no fears just yolo |
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| 23:53.39 | Gustorn | A linux debian terminal on my iphone 7 how cool is that |
| 23:53.41 | jscoder | yeah you're gonna ruin the phone cause you are excited about open source software |
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| 23:54.14 | Gustorn | The phone has no headphone jacket it is already ruined |
| 23:54.23 | random_numbers | I'd recommend getting one of those nintendo-ds-sized computers and using that with VoIP instead. That's a more viable idea... though not exactly low-cost. |
| 23:54.58 | Gustorn | nah jscoder done it on his iphone it is possible just only possible for the best debian users... |
| 23:55.30 | Gustorn | a good understanding of linux and some googling will get you debian on your iphone... |
| 23:55.33 | random_numbers | Gustorn: The problem is more that doing it on a standard phone is not practical. |
| 23:55.47 | Gustorn | it's just like using a terminal |
| 23:56.00 | Gustorn | you know windows key + T |
| 23:56.35 | jscoder | I'm standing on a bridge surrounded by trolls |
| 23:56.48 | Gustorn | ? |
| 23:56.59 | OdinYggd | So equip your robe and wizard hat |
| 23:57.02 | jscoder | that last guy was seriously trying to hack a windows mail server and came in here with an unmasked host pointing directly to his residence |
| 23:57.05 | OdinYggd | and slay them with the power of perl |
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| 23:57.17 | Gustorn | lol |
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| 23:57.20 | random_numbers | jscoder: Heh. |
| 23:57.21 | jscoder | its not even sunday yet.. |
| 23:57.26 | jscoder | what's wrong with you people? |
| 23:57.27 | Gustorn | debain = linux kali |
| 23:57.36 | OdinYggd | People being people. |
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| 23:57.54 | OdinYggd | I hate people, my dream home is a small but well insulated cabin on top of a mountain far away from any form of civilization |
| 23:57.59 | Gustorn | Did he manage to hack the mail server? |
| 23:58.16 | Gustorn | Wow OdinYggd: what did I do to you? |
| 23:58.32 | random_numbers | Hopefully he wasn't braindead enough to say if he actually did it and kept it as an 'hypothetical' thing. |
| 23:58.33 | jscoder | he couldnt even get the exploit that was over a decade old mind you, to compile.. came in here asking help with GCC |
| 23:58.39 | OdinYggd | lol |
| 23:58.44 | OdinYggd | Gotta love skiddies |
| 23:58.47 | random_numbers | facepalms. |
| 23:58.50 | Gustorn | haha Skid |
| 23:58.51 | OdinYggd | Fortunately they're becoming less numerous |
| 23:58.58 | jscoder | you should make a channel and discuss this stuff there.. hell, I'll join, this is offtopic |
| 23:59.00 | OdinYggd | because they get caught more often now that IT is getting good at dealing with them |
| 23:59.41 | Gustorn | nah hacking mail servers are good stuff I personally develop cheats so I think that counts as hacking aswell I guess lol |
| 23:59.47 | random_numbers | "Get good or get rekt", do keep in mind that quite a few go the first way. |
