| 00:00.18 | random_numbers | (Of course that implies no longer being a skid but actually understanding what they're doing.) |
| 00:00.18 | jscoder | points at #debian-offtopic and wanders off to check on his ebook conversion |
| 00:00.25 | random_numbers | Huh, there is such a channel |
| 00:01.18 | OdinYggd | I can't help but laugh at the information security meeting I went to earlier |
| 00:01.38 | OdinYggd | Going on and on about manhattan project levels of opsec and information security |
| 00:01.48 | OdinYggd | but their entire lecture was pitching emails as a secure means of communication |
| 00:01.59 | OdinYggd | Had to try not to laugh |
| 00:02.37 | OdinYggd | Properly configured internal email could be, site to site within the same company over a VPN sure it might be okay |
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| 00:02.46 | OdinYggd | But interacting with third party email servers? Hah! |
| 00:03.00 | OdinYggd | SMTP isn't usually encrypted betwen servers |
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| 00:04.51 | raynold | ahh it's a wonderful day |
| 00:05.06 | random_numbers | Between servers, which implies you trust them not to leak anything. |
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| 00:05.18 | OdinYggd | Between third party email servers |
| 00:05.24 | OdinYggd | Which probably are snooping because they can |
| 00:05.26 | random_numbers | GPG solves the content part of the problem, but even the metadata is too much data. |
| 00:05.35 | OdinYggd | And too few users use GPG |
| 00:05.40 | random_numbers | Yeah. |
| 00:05.45 | OdinYggd | I don't think anyone in the network I administer even knows what GPG is |
| 00:05.56 | random_numbers | Using something like that I2P email equivalent is a better idea. |
| 00:06.03 | OdinYggd | Or IRC. |
| 00:06.18 | random_numbers | Yeah, with OTR, though that has the problem of still not supporting group chats. |
| 00:06.19 | OdinYggd | Private IRC server with SASL authentication and AES-256 encryption required |
| 00:06.42 | random_numbers | Perfect Forward Secrecy is important in this case. |
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| 00:08.22 | random_numbers | I think they might want to read up on the history of the Manhattan Project. |
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| 00:27.02 | zykotick9 | i'm trying to backup a bunch of old dvd and data-cds right now. fairly high failure rate! it's sad to see rsync's "Input/output error (5)". some are dated, burned using gnu/linux (or freebsd possibly) in 2006/2007. |
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| 00:29.59 | OdinYggd | Could try ddrescue |
| 00:30.14 | OdinYggd | It will take the good data first, then go back for what is hard to read |
| 00:30.28 | OdinYggd | Like so it can make multiple attempts at recovering a particular piece of data |
| 00:30.41 | OdinYggd | It is also able to merge multiple identical discs to create a single undamaged ISO |
| 00:30.48 | petn-randall | Yeah, also works great using different DVD readers. |
| 00:31.32 | hicksd | dvdisaster is handy for that and for adding redundant data when you later burn new disks |
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| 00:33.59 | hiexpo | dead is dead if yourun over the disc and its mutilated lol what do you expect a miracle? |
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| 00:34.37 | zykotick9 | OdinYggd: petn-randall thanks. i'm gonna let rsync work away on two discs i really want data off overnight. then i'll try ddrescue <- something i've heard of.. but never used. now i have a reason! thanks again. |
| 00:35.34 | OdinYggd | I use ddrescue to image hard discs industrially |
| 00:36.02 | hiexpo | zykotick9, try it |
| 00:36.07 | OdinYggd | Some of the machines I work with have PC-based CNCs, these can be made to boot off of a Linux USB stick |
| 00:36.15 | OdinYggd | and then run ddrescue to image the hard drive into a file on the server |
| 00:36.27 | OdinYggd | that way if anything happens to the machine's computer, I can repair it and upload a known-good drive image |
| 00:36.38 | hiexpo | yup |
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| 00:41.21 | hiexpo | if that does not work try guymager |
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| 00:47.06 | zykotick9 | switched to gddrescue. he likes the real time output (was kinda surprise it's gonna make an image vs. file output) BUT with dd i guess that makes sense! thanks again everybody. |
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| 00:50.43 | OdinYggd | These days I'm usually using gddrescue |
| 00:50.55 | OdinYggd | Similar but not quite the same, gddrescue seems to be better documented and maintained |
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| 00:56.50 | zykotick9 | OdinYggd: my "apt-cache search dd resuce" with main only, lead me to gddrescue... perhaps with contrib/non-free there are other options? |
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| 00:57.19 | winsen_ | hi all |
| 00:57.38 | OdinYggd | the other ddrescue might not even be in the repos anymore |
| 00:57.50 | winsen_ | do I need to replace iceweal to in stall thunderbird =firefox? |
| 00:57.59 | OdinYggd | There was a different one that worked the same way but wasn't related to gddrescue at all |
| 00:58.06 | winsen_ | +firefox? |
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| 01:00.21 | OdinYggd | I've got firefox and iceweasel installed side by side on Debian 7 |
| 01:00.26 | OdinYggd | Would think it remains possible on 8 |
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| 01:04.17 | winsen_ | OdinYggd: how long are you using both? |
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| 01:04.37 | OdinYggd | Just in the past 8 years |
| 01:04.43 | OdinYggd | err |
| 01:04.49 | OdinYggd | no, firefox + iceweasel would be the past year |
| 01:04.51 | winsen_ | OdinYggd: are there any conflict/bugs...? |
| 01:04.53 | OdinYggd | ddrescue would be 8 years |
| 01:04.56 | OdinYggd | Nothing i've noticed |
| 01:05.01 | OdinYggd | You can't run both at once obviously |
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| 01:05.56 | winsen_ | OdinYggd: why obviously? |
| 01:06.19 | OdinYggd | I guess they share internals or something, and recognize each other's presence. |
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| 01:08.49 | zykotick9 | utters - you bastards! now i have to go back and ddrescue discs - but i didn't keep track which ones had problems... so i'm starting from stratch! you bastars - thanks a million!!! :) |
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| 01:09.50 | winsen_ | OdinYggd: I see. |
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| 01:11.45 | winsen_ | OdinYggd: do you have thunderbird too? |
| 01:11.53 | OdinYggd | Not on that machine |
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| 01:13.26 | drith | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OFpfTd0EIs |
| 01:13.49 | drith | sorry |
| 01:17.16 | HelloAtMega | Hello |
| 01:17.23 | bazhang | hi |
| 01:17.25 | HelloAtMega | Can anyone help me with my Debian |
| 01:17.31 | HelloAtMega | I'm struggling to fix something |
| 01:17.38 | bazhang | ask the full question |
| 01:18.17 | HelloAtMega | I was trying to compile Octave but at the end of the ./configure command, I get a warning saying that the configure proccess could not find jni.h |
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| 01:18.24 | HelloAtMega | It's a Java file |
| 01:18.52 | brainspoil | your java path needs to be updated, it sounds like |
| 01:19.02 | HelloAtMega | I have installed in the past several J_ava versions and so on but I ended up removing them and installing the distro version |
| 01:19.12 | HelloAtMega | brainspoil: can you help me setting the path? |
| 01:19.32 | HelloAtMega | Is it $JAVA_HOME? |
| 01:19.40 | brainspoil | uhu |
| 01:19.53 | brainspoil | that would be the first to check |
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| 01:20.42 | HelloAtMega | Yes, unfortunately I'm not very experienced in those kind of settings and I'm struggling to find which folders I should consider and what env variables to consider |
| 01:21.32 | HelloAtMega | If I issue "ls -lah /usr/lib/jvm/" |
| 01:21.40 | HelloAtMega | I get several files and folders |
| 01:21.57 | HelloAtMega | Therefore I'm not sure which one is being used by the system |
| 01:23.01 | HelloAtMega | Can you help me brainspoil ? |
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| 01:24.04 | brainspoil | with a name like brainspoil ? LOL |
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| 01:24.48 | winsen_ | how can I remove properly thunderbird, I need to reinstall it |
| 01:25.04 | brainspoil | https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-unix-set-java_home-path-variable/ |
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| 01:25.23 | man_in_shack | waves |
| 01:25.23 | brainspoil | here you go HelloAtMega enjoy |
| 01:26.16 | man_in_shack | oop, nvm |
| 01:26.41 | man_in_shack | was going to ask about aptitude and locales on my schmancy new C.H.I.P. running jessie |
| 01:26.46 | man_in_shack | just remembered i have it connected to wifi |
| 01:27.05 | man_in_shack | so i don't need to keep screwing around with the serial terminal :D |
| 01:28.37 | winsen_ | any clue guys, I tried 'apt-get purge thunderbird*' it doesn't work |
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| 01:40.39 | Pavr | apt-get --purge remove thunderbird* |
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| 01:45.25 | mohammad-ghasemi | anyone needs a friend here? |
| 01:45.34 | winsen_ | how can I go to /usr/share/ by terminal? |
| 01:45.41 | HelloAtMega | brainspoil: didn't worked for me |
| 01:45.47 | HelloAtMega | that link you gave me |
| 01:46.05 | HelloAtMega | I did what they say there but the configure command still complains about that file |
| 01:46.16 | mohammad-ghasemi | winsen_: cd /usr/share/ |
| 01:47.41 | winsen_ | mohammad-ghasemi: thanks, I don't know why, when I tried to go back with "cd.." it doesn't work? |
| 01:48.02 | HelloAtMega | winsen_: Linux is different from Windows |
| 01:48.05 | HelloAtMega | it cd .. |
| 01:48.09 | HelloAtMega | and not cd.. |
| 01:48.19 | awal1 | winsen_: btw, thunderbird isn't in debian, but icedove |
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| 01:50.37 | winsen_ | awall: I installed thunderbird las time, now I have a conflict once I installed firefox |
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| 01:51.02 | winsen_ | HelloAtMega: I know my son |
| 01:51.20 | awal1 | dpkg: tell winsen_ about bat |
| 01:51.42 | winsen_ | "bat"? |
| 01:51.58 | bazhang | winsen_, why are you crossposting this in the ubuntu channel |
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| 01:53.31 | winsen_ | awall: I need to reeinstall it properly, I didn't have this kind of problem before with previous apps-install |
| 01:53.49 | winsen_ | bazhang: sorry? |
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| 01:57.00 | winsen_ | bazhang: you're really have nothing to do? ...my goodness, this generation |
| 01:57.46 | OdinYggd | Shouldnt be that surprising |
| 01:58.20 | OdinYggd | The millenial generation has a lack of job skills and social interests, coupled with being cheated out of good jobs and good family lives |
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| 01:58.28 | OdinYggd | Its going to get worse before it gets better |
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| 02:00.42 | abbemsly | does anyone have gtx 970, if so, do you guys use nouveau or nvidia prop. |
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| 02:02.57 | Logg | use nouveau unless you're dissatisfied with it |
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| 02:05.00 | HelloAtMega | Can anyone else help me? |
| 02:05.10 | HelloAtMega | About my jni.h file? |
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| 02:07.02 | abbemsly | Logg what do you use? |
| 02:07.04 | abbemsly | if i may ask |
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| 02:11.17 | winsen_ | awall, mohammad-ghasemi, thanks. good night all. |
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| 02:13.01 | Logg | my last nvidia card was a 560ti, I used proprietary |
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| 02:20.32 | PryMar56 | OdinYggd, Augustin Cauchy lived during the French Revolution, quite a lot like a Millenial. He lived at home and his father chose his wife (daughter of the man that printed the Calculus books) |
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| 02:30.49 | random_numbers | zykotick9: On debian, it is in the package 'gddrescue' |
| 02:31.08 | random_numbers | That or it's just not in repos. |
| 02:31.32 | random_numbers | :/ |
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| 02:32.00 | random_numbers | Is it best to use dvdisaster or par2? |
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| 02:46.08 | zykotick9 | random_numbers: yes, ddrescue is in gddresuce on debian stable :) |
| 02:47.14 | zykotick9 | notes still pass1 up to 440 errors :| |
| 02:48.52 | random_numbers | I generally put my files in some tar and add parity files for that tar file, then burn to disc. |
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| 02:57.24 | julius | hi |
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| 03:02.46 | random_numbers | Hey |
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| 03:08.25 | julius | got a ssh question |
| 03:08.29 | julius | random_numbers, ah...somebody alive :) |
| 03:08.42 | julius | debug1: identity file /home/julius/.ssh/passwordless_andromeda type 1 |
| 03:08.42 | julius | debug1: key_load_public: No such file or directory |
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| 03:10.14 | julius | i want to connect to one host with a specific key, but when i do connect with that key set in the config i get the above error. yet when i do: ls -alh /home/julius/.ssh/passwordless_andromeda -rw------- 1 julius julius 1.7K Dec 17 02:59 /home/julius/.ssh/passwordless_andromeda the file is there? |
| 03:12.33 | random_numbers | What's the line in your config? |
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| 03:15.49 | pennTeller | htop |
| 03:15.59 | pennTeller | oops, sorry about that |
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| 03:39.08 | julius | random_numbers, ah got it...the error output for the file it does not find is actually comming before it shows the file it means |
| 03:39.19 | julius | random_numbers, i was missing identitiesOnly yes |
| 03:40.33 | random_numbers | Good that you fixed it. |
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| 03:41.57 | julius | ah, i hate these raspberrypi guys...doing a mount /dev/sdb1 tmp gives me: /dev/sdb1 on /home/julius/tmp type vfat (rw,relatime,uid=1000,gid=1000,fmask=0022,dmask=0077,codepage=437,iocharset=ascii,shortname=mixed,showexec,utf8,flush,errors=remount-ro) |
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| 03:42.21 | julius | where is it taking all this information from? i havent specified any of that on the command line |
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| 03:51.55 | OdinYggd | mount options |
| 03:52.50 | OdinYggd | vfat filesystem mounted rw with relative access times by user ID 1000, group ID 1000, fmask dmask and codepage I don't know... |
| 03:53.12 | OdinYggd | errors=remount-ro means that if there is a problem it will remount it read-only for data recovery |
| 03:53.22 | OdinYggd | The only part of it I'd question is why it specified that user/group combo |
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| 04:03.11 | julius | OdinYggd, and where did mount get them from=? |
| 04:03.22 | OdinYggd | Defaults probably |
| 04:03.48 | OdinYggd | uid and gid would likely be the user who mounted the device. |
| 04:04.10 | OdinYggd | fmask dmask and codepage would have to do with file access permissions, I'm not too good with them |
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| 04:04.52 | OdinYggd | It needs these parameters in order to mount the filesystem, so if they are not specified using -o in the mount command it uses the defaults |
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| 04:28.15 | julius | ah ok |
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| 05:35.01 | elliot007 | hey what is the safest way of installing latest stable ruby on debian jessie? |
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| 05:39.56 | nkuttler | elliot007: upstream stable, or..? |
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| 05:41.13 | elliot007 | @nkuttler, currently 2.1 is installed and I want atleast 2.2 |
| 05:41.50 | nkuttler | ,v ruby |
| 05:41.57 | judd | Package: ruby on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:1.9.3; jessie: 1:2.1.5+deb8u2; stretch: 1:2.3.0+4; sid: 1:2.3.3 |
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| 05:42.25 | nkuttler | elliot007: well, nobody packaged it |
| 05:42.42 | elliot007 | is it safe to fetch from stretch repo?? |
| 05:42.51 | nkuttler | elliot007: no |
| 05:43.20 | elliot007 | @nkuttler, okay thanks |
| 05:43.28 | nkuttler | ,v ruby2.3 |
| 05:43.29 | judd | Package: ruby2.3 on amd64 -- stretch: 2.3.3-1; sid: 2.3.3-1 |
| 05:44.04 | nkuttler | elliot007: you can build your own backports, but then you'll have to maintain that yourself |
| 05:44.30 | elliot007 | how to do that?, compiling from source code? |
| 05:44.44 | nkuttler | ,checkbackport ruby2.3 |
| 05:44.57 | judd | Backporting package ruby2.3 in sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libssl1.0-dev. |
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| 05:45.07 | nkuttler | mh, no, not an option either |
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| 05:46.22 | elliot007 | @nkuttler: like for nodejs I can do this http://askubuntu.com/questions/426750/how-can-i-update-my-nodejs-to-the-latest-version, is there a similar option for ruby? |
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| 05:46.53 | nkuttler | elliot007: like i said, it's not packaged |
| 05:47.08 | elliot007 | okay |
| 05:47.48 | elliot007 | @nkuttler: so I'll have to upgrade it to stretch |
| 05:47.52 | nkuttler | ehy do you need > 2.1 anyway |
| 05:47.55 | nkuttler | why |
| 05:48.00 | elliot007 | jekyll |
| 05:48.03 | nkuttler | elliot007: that sounds like a bad idea |
| 05:48.47 | nkuttler | elliot007: from their install docs, v1.9.3 or above for Jekyll 2 and v2 or above for Jekyll 3 |
| 05:48.54 | nkuttler | doesn't say anything about > 2 |
| 05:49.23 | elliot007 | but we're using some gems in our project which need atleast 2.2 |
| 05:49.34 | nkuttler | shrugs |
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| 05:49.43 | nkuttler | elliot007: install older versions of those gems |
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| 05:52.01 | mo1991reg | hmmm, i've installed a new bluetooth adapter - asus bt-400. Running debian 8. Using blueman, I can connect to my bluetooth mouse, but can't seem to connect to my bose soundlink mini. It finds it but won't connect. Any ideas? |
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| 05:52.10 | mo1991reg | I'm new to bluetooth on debian |
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| 05:53.27 | elliot007 | nkuttler: http://hastebin.com/diveyaxici.php |
| 05:54.13 | nkuttler | elliot007: sounds like you want the ruby/jekyll support channels now |
| 05:54.26 | elliot007 | nkuttler: okay |
| 05:55.34 | elliot007 | nkuttler: thanks anyway |
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| 06:05.24 | Maskara | i cant figure out wat the hell goes on with my wifi maybe for a couple hours in the early evening my connection says everthing is fine but i cant get webpages ..email ..or even irc to connect |
| 06:05.55 | Maskara | then after a while everything just comes up normal |
| 06:06.25 | Maskara | but the funny thing is ...my other devices are fine ..android tablet |
| 06:06.34 | Maskara | even my pos windows machine |
| 06:07.10 | cast | i have an offline stretch install, i grabbed the first 3 dvds and copied them onto it and set it up as a repo. there's a handful of packages not on those 3 dvds i want to grab, what's the nicest way to do that? |
| 06:07.53 | cast | [i tried using apt-offline, though afaik it doesn't quite suit this] |
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| 06:08.40 | Maskara | 1595 u think thats enough? ;)) |
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| 06:09.53 | cast | i can go down the manual route of grabbing the packages off packages.debian.org, manually grabbing required dependencies, then manually verifying the integrity of the packages..but that's a whole lot of manual. |
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| 06:24.12 | Maskara | sorry if im in/out ,,..fixing my new client |
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| 06:35.47 | jrm` | hi, which debian image should i choose to install debian on a macbook pro? will amd64 do? |
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| 06:56.31 | nkuttler | Maskara: ask in #freenode |
| 06:57.01 | nkuttler | jrm`: https://wiki.debian.org/MacBook |
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| 07:06.18 | _maat_ | hello, I have a slight boot problem after resizing my home partition |
| 07:06.40 | _maat_ | from a bit of googling it seems that a change of my partition uuid may have caused the problem |
| 07:07.08 | _maat_ | but i tried to boot using a live image, update the uuid for that partition (found using sfdisk); but i still can't boot |
| 07:07.57 | _maat_ | my error message is like the first post on that page https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=195102 |
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| 07:08.10 | _maat_ | any thoughts about what is going wrong? |
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| 07:23.08 | _maat_ | dmesg | tail tells me that the resized home partition has more blocks than the size of the device |
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| 07:26.22 | jnhghy | hi I have a debian server that has shared webhosts ( throw virtualmin ) and I have an issue now that one of them has a process that takes lots of cpu and seems to be running for more then 10 hours, the top command shows the running command to be "host" does this command say anything about the issue? anyone any clue how I can find out what this does? this should be a simple magento site :) |
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| 07:34.54 | iamawesome | Hi, sudo rm -rf /*; or su - ; then rm -rf /* , is there any difference? |
| 07:35.14 | iamawesome | What's the benifit of using sudo? |
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| 07:36.08 | c-c | jnhghy: read $ man host |
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| 07:37.04 | c-c | jnhghy: also see $ netstat -natup |
| 07:37.24 | jnhghy | thanks for the references |
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| 07:42.35 | iamawesome | Can anyone answer? |
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| 07:43.28 | pennTeller | Guys does anyone know a way to further modify the size of windows in Debian once you "stick"them to the side of the monitor? |
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| 07:45.47 | pingfloyd | iamawesome: try it and see |
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| 08:01.35 | S1ohy | I'm having the following problem: https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox#Kernel_driver_not_installed_.28rc.3D-1908.29 |
| 08:01.44 | S1ohy | But I don't have `/etc/init.d/vboxdrv` so I can't run the command sudo `/etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup` |
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| 08:02.04 | S1ohy | What can I do to get virtualbox running? |
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| 08:14.01 | S1ohy | More info on my problem: http://sprunge.us/IPYI |
| 08:14.57 | BenNZ | S1ohy: have you tried rcvboxdrv setup |
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| 08:16.25 | BenNZ | S1ohy: just looked at your paste , are the kernel headers installed |
| 08:17.10 | S1ohy | Yes |
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| 08:17.19 | S1ohy | Yes to your second question |
| 08:18.21 | S1ohy | BenNZ: I don't have `rcvboxdrv`. |
| 08:19.01 | BenNZ | S1ohy: how did you install vbox ? |
| 08:19.10 | S1ohy | As a package |
| 08:19.23 | S1ohy | `apt-get install virtualbox` |
| 08:19.33 | BenNZ | S1ohy: i would recommend using the version in the repo |
| 08:19.46 | BenNZ | *in the vbox repo i mean |
| 08:19.55 | S1ohy | I'm not sure what you mean by that |
| 08:20.32 | BenNZ | S1ohy: i would use echo 'deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian jessie contrib' | sudo tee --append /etc/apt/sources.list.d/vbox.list && wget -q https://www.virtualbox.org/download/oracle_vbox.asc -O- | sudo apt-key add - && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install virtualbox-5.1 |
| 08:21.07 | S1ohy | Jessie even though I'm on sid? |
| 08:21.37 | BenNZ | S1ohy: i didnt know that , but yeah |
| 08:22.31 | BenNZ | S1ohy: probably will need to remove the version you have installed |
| 08:22.47 | S1ohy | Yeah, I just did. |
| 08:25.17 | S1ohy | Thanks, BenNZ. |
| 08:25.30 | S1ohy | Working like a charm. |
| 08:25.37 | BenNZ | S1ohy: no problem |
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| 09:28.04 | plasmoduck | hey guys I have this laptop with the optical drive face plate and button broken off. I always seem to bump the eject button that is exposed and open the drive which is becoming quite annoying. Is there some way I can disable the drive so this no longer happens? Cheers ;-) |
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| 09:43.21 | mik | cdctl --lockdoor ? |
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| 09:57.21 | dikabo | Till now, I have used |
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| 09:58.58 | _jamesl | plasmoduck: disable the eject button? IIRC ther's a switch on the "eject" command that does that |
| 09:59.03 | _jamesl | so put that in /etc/rc.local |
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| 10:07.47 | dikabo | Till now, I have used "stable", because it is ... stable. Now I have a new PC which is waiting to get its OS installed, and I don't want to reinstall or update it when stretch is released. Since stretch had its transition freeze, would you recommend to install it now, or are natsy bugs still have to be expected? I use my PC as a Desktop "only". |
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| 10:19.10 | dutchfish | dikabo, there is lots to say about both answers. It merely depends on your skills and what your build is gone be used for. If this is a testing rig and you have some expirience, go ahead and use Debian testing. If not, choose stable. |
| 10:20.24 | dutchfish | dikabo, secondly, bare in mind that development limps behind, that means if your rig is spanking new components, you probably are best served by Debian testing or parts from SID. |
| 10:21.11 | dutchfish | dikabo, inspect our Distro about your components being used, then decide. |
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| 10:24.45 | dutchfish | dikabo, at times, tesing/SID can be a bumpy ride. |
| 10:25.14 | dutchfish | s/tesing/testing |
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| 10:30.46 | dikabo | dutchfish, thank you for your answer. After installing jessie (as a test) I had to use a kernel from backports to get the graphics working right. All other components seem to work out-of-the-box. But my skills do not yet include dealing with bugs, means pinning etc.. Still, I know that mixing packages from different releases is for the brave =:) |
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| 10:32.02 | dutchfish | dikabo, yes, bpo is an alternative to running testing, with less headaches if your hw is supported. |
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| 10:34.53 | dikabo | dutchfish, to cut my question to its core: Are heavy bugs to be expected after transition freeze? |
| 10:35.13 | dutchfish | dikabo, last but not least, i slightly tend to choose testing over bpo nowadays, specially when it got frozen, because its easier to migrate when it is released. |
| 10:35.35 | plasmoduck | _jamesl: what exactly do I put please? |
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| 10:35.48 | dutchfish | dikabo, at the moment, nothing i cant handle, but hey, i have no crystal ball. |
| 10:36.23 | dikabo | dutchfish, thank you again, that is the answer I hoped to get. |
| 10:36.52 | dutchfish | dikabo, also take a peak at debian weather |
| 10:37.20 | dutchfish | dikabo, it gives i nice overview of all the merrits for your Architecture and its status |
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| 10:39.04 | dutchfish | dikabo, https://qa.debian.org/dose/debcheck/testing_main/index.html |
| 10:39.59 | dikabo | dutchfish, yes, i have forgotten about debian weather. I install apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges as a habit. |
| 10:40.10 | dutchfish | dikabo, ;) |
| 10:40.22 | pencilandpaper | I use inxi a lot for that. Is debian weather any better than inxi for weather conditions? |
| 10:40.36 | dikabo | dutchfish, than you again. Bye! |
| 10:40.43 | dutchfish | dikabo, yw |
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| 10:41.14 | pencilandpaper | dutchfish: Would you happen to know if you don't mind me asking? |
| 10:42.43 | dutchfish | pencilandpaper, what was your question? |
| 10:43.18 | pencilandpaper | I was wondering if you happened to know if Debian weather is better than inxi as far as weather conditions are concerned? |
| 10:44.05 | pencilandpaper | Well after looking, maybe it is a bit more comprehensive. Thanks. :) |
| 10:44.22 | dutchfish | pencilandpaper, hard to tell, they serve some different purposes, i like the debian weather, because i can run it from anywhere. |
| 10:45.56 | dutchfish | pencilandpaper, and i use it most often, when i plan to install a new rig in front. |
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| 10:46.34 | pencilandpaper | Nice, thats a good idea dutchfish . |
| 10:46.40 | dutchfish | pencilandpaper, or even plan my options to buy a component |
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| 10:51.32 | icarious | Hi. Is there a way to install additional packages in the rootfs using apt from within the Debian installer at the time of installing Debian? I am helping someone to install Debian (KDE) but he has a Wireless Setup. I think Debian does not provide the "plasma-widget-networkmanagement" package in the Debian KDE CD so he will be rendered without an internet post reboot. |
| 10:52.34 | icarious | I mean if there is a way to drop into a chroot'ed shell of the installed system to install packages before rebooting into the new system? |
| 10:53.27 | plasmoduck | icarious: at the end of the installation before rebooting you should be able to ctr+alt+f2 |
| 10:53.34 | plasmoduck | etc.. |
| 10:54.16 | icarious | plasmoduck: Does it drop to the shell of the installed system? If not how should I chroot into it? |
| 10:54.21 | pencilandpaper | It won't work for me for some reason dutchfish . :( |
| 10:54.42 | pencilandpaper | The .weatherrc file wasn't created on its own so I created it with the location and all of that and its just not working. |
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| 10:55.36 | plasmoduck | icarious: I think you have to chroot |
| 10:56.19 | icarious | Ok. need to find where the target system is then, as mounted by the installer |
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| 11:05.20 | pencilandpaper | Yeah it won't work for here for some reason, o well..at least inxi works. |
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| 11:15.11 | HelloAtMega | Hi |
| 11:15.36 | HelloAtMega | How do I unset an env variable? I mean how do I make it as if has never existed? |
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| 11:16.19 | nkuttler | HelloAtMega: unset, surprisingly |
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| 11:26.40 | HelloAtMega | nkuttler: does that definetely clears the variable for ever or only for a session or for a terminal? |
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| 11:27.16 | nkuttler | HelloAtMega: for your active shell only of course |
| 11:27.25 | nkuttler | HelloAtMega: what var are you talking about anyway |
| 11:28.35 | HelloAtMega | I have created an env variable that shouldn't be created |
| 11:28.38 | HelloAtMega | CPPFLAGS |
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| 11:29.01 | HelloAtMega | So, I wanted to completely reomve it from my system |
| 11:30.38 | nkuttler | HelloAtMega: how did you create it? |
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| 11:43.49 | nymous | hi guys |
| 11:43.55 | nymous | i need an advice |
| 11:44.15 | petn-randall | nymous: Feel free to ask your Debian support question. |
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| 11:44.29 | nymous | i'm trying to make a l2tp vpn to my server, connecting to my windows box |
| 11:44.58 | nymous | for security reasons i thought to run it inside lxc container with server nat |
| 11:45.10 | nymous | my home box is behind my ISP nat |
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| 11:46.13 | nymous | i tried something round 5 guides without any result |
| 11:46.25 | petn-randall | nymous: You are aware that L2TP is unencrypted, right? |
| 11:46.43 | nymous | i'm making it with ipsec |
| 11:46.52 | nymous | libreswan to be exact |
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| 11:47.35 | petn-randall | nymous: I see. I can tell you from experience that ipsec is a pain with NAT. Probably impossible if you can't change the NAT routers inbetween. |
| 11:48.03 | nymous | i can change routes on my server |
| 11:48.46 | petn-randall | nymous: You'd have to find a way to forward IPsec packets through the NAT. |
| 11:52.52 | nymous | whatever i do i end up with this |
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| 11:52.53 | nymous | http://pastebin.com/VnqjtRWS |
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| 11:55.19 | nymous | 138.201.201.5 (not a real ip, just example) is my server's IP |
| 11:55.37 | nymous | 192.168.10.5 is lxc container with l2ptd |
| 11:55.47 | nymous | *xl2tpd |
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| 12:39.24 | way218 | hey there, anyone using awesome? what is the best way to get 3.5 running on jessie ? |
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| 12:42.17 | n4dir | is there a difference between the versions worth the trouble? |
| 12:45.06 | teclo- | n4dir: well if you don't know what release of Debian GNU/Linux to install, install stable |
| 12:45.38 | petn-randall | teclo-: n4dir was responding to way218 regarding versions of awesome. |
| 12:45.40 | petn-randall | ,v awesome |
| 12:45.41 | judd | Package: awesome on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.4.13-1; jessie: 3.4.15-1+b1; sid: 3.5.9-1; stretch: 3.5.9-1 |
| 12:45.55 | teclo- | petn-randall: ah sorry |
| 12:45.57 | petn-randall | ,checkbackport awesome |
| 12:45.58 | judd | Backporting package awesome in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie, virtual. |
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| 12:46.56 | petn-randall | way218: If you really need the newest version, you can backport it yourself from stretch. You should think about if it's worth it though, as every newer version is less tested than older ones, and might introduce new bugs. |
| 12:47.28 | way218 | the background of my awesome question: i want to use shared tags between multiple screens and i found two plugins providing this feature. however they seem to be not working on 3.4 |
| 12:47.39 | way218 | besides that i do not have an interest in the never version |
| 12:48.35 | petn-randall | !ssb |
| 12:48.35 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 12:49.23 | petn-randall | way218: ^^^ this should help you backporting it from stretch yourself. There are no dependencies involved that need backporting, so it should be quite straight-foward. Feel free to ask if you get stuck somewhere in the process. |
| 12:49.46 | way218 | ok thank you all ! |
| 12:50.45 | n4dir | way218: i just tried to build awesome (not debian) and it sure was not fun. debian-backporting might be a piece of cake. Depends how urgently you need the tag-stuff. |
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| 12:52.29 | way218 | just changed from i3 to xmonad to awesome and i really like the later one. however it has seperate tags for the screen so the workflow will be different between the desktop setup and a notebook. this sucks somehow |
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| 12:54.49 | n4dir | not that far yet. i use it like i use non-tiling wm's (all windows fullscreen). I heard people complain bout something like that (dynamic tiling? no clue). |
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| 12:56.59 | n4dir | was pretty happy with window-maker, but couldn't get a systray working, so i went for awesome. end of story |
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| 12:58.07 | way218 | the nice part of awesome is that you can actually read the config without to much of knowledge of lua |
| 12:58.23 | way218 | for xmonad it is the completly different |
| 12:58.47 | way218 | because i cannot write/read haskell ... |
| 13:00.57 | n4dir | got you. looked at a few tiling ones, so ran into it (was it dwm where you have to recompile to make setting changes? lol). wmii looked funny. But, well: my needs are low and i don't really get the idea behind tiling. |
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| 13:05.45 | way218 | n4dir: when i write latex i like to have the source besides the compiled pdf. in this case tiling is perfect |
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| 13:11.05 | n4dir | oh, i don't doubt that it is very useful for certain workflows, perhaps even for most. Also do-able to get the head in the tiling thing. Only am open bout my missing knowledge. |
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| 13:48.57 | brasshorn | what is the correct command to display what IP addresses my computer is connected to? is it 'netstat -antp' ? |
| 13:50.20 | pingfloyd | netstat -tap |
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| 14:04.43 | petn-randall | brasshorn: Probably 'ifconfig' or 'ip addr' |
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| 14:42.15 | redrabbit | hi |
| 14:42.17 | redrabbit | that is strange. i dont even have iwconfig on that machine i just installed |
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| 14:44.39 | petn-randall | redrabbit: That is not so strange since wireless tools are not essential in Debian. |
| 14:45.22 | petn-randall | redrabbit: You can install 'command-not-found', then when running e.g. 'iwconfig' and it isn't there, that tool will tell you which package you need to install. |
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| 14:45.58 | petn-randall | redrabbit: You can also run 'apt-file search iwconfig' manually, and it will tell you. |
| 14:46.50 | n4dir | though i think that one has to install apt-file too . |
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| 14:46.59 | n4dir | as a side note |
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| 15:02.09 | abbemsly | I want to install nvidia drivers from backports instead of from their website, so they can update along with the rest of my system. But, I'm a bit worried. If I install the drivers from backports, then I do apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade, will I grab all the unstable packages from backports and have those replace the stable ones? |
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| 15:04.37 | n4dir | no, it wont |
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| 15:05.14 | abbemsly | Why won't it? |
| 15:05.48 | n4dir | https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ due to "are pinned to ... " |
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| 15:08.39 | petn-randall | abbemsly: It will only installed those packages from backports you explicitely request. Those aren't "unstable" in the sense of releases (stable/testing/unstable), they come from testing (= stretch), which will be the upcoming Debian release. |
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| 15:09.24 | abbemsly | Thanks a lot |
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| 15:11.42 | abbemsly | so if I did apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 15:12.08 | abbemsly | it would still look for updates for nvidia, but not anything else? |
| 15:13.28 | n4dir | it will for upgrades for the packages from stable, and for the packages installed from backports via -t |
| 15:13.36 | unborn | petn-randall: well backports did not worked for me at all.. actually my system did gone break down.. |
| 15:13.38 | n4dir | it will -> it will look |
| 15:13.42 | unborn | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:14.59 | unborn | petn-randall: since my graphics does support intel - I turn on the thing in bios and forgot about nvidia.. it works perfect |
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| 15:15.23 | abbemsly | unborn nouveau, or nvidia drivers |
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| 15:15.48 | unborn | abbemsly: as I said - no nvidia on my end.. |
| 15:16.09 | unborn | nvidia will just break the things apart |
| 15:16.14 | abbemsly | oh alright |
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| 15:16.50 | oaps | hello! |
| 15:16.57 | abbemsly | hello oaps |
| 15:17.01 | n4dir | i wouldn't believe everything i read on the internet. |
| 15:18.29 | oaps | i recently dd'ed the 8.6 installer image to a usb stick, it worked fine. now i'd like to add some rescue tools to the same stick since there's plenty of room left, such as memtest86+ and maybe another live system with things like smartctl and other diagnostic/repair tools on it. is it possible to do this without overwriting the installer image? i don't mind having to use the grub command line to boot the other systems. |
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| 15:19.44 | oaps | is it maybe possible to write another bootloader to the usb stick somewhere after the end of the debian installer image, and tell grub to chainload that? |
| 15:21.58 | zykotick9 | oaps: best of luck. with old debian installers it was trivial to add another partition to the installer image(s)... i'm not sure that's still the case, well it's certainly not trivial anymore. best of luck! |
| 15:23.07 | oaps | zykotick9: yeah, it would probably not be too hard to create a new bootable image with the installer image as one partition on it and overwrite what's currently on the stick, but i'd like to avoid that if possible... |
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| 15:26.31 | oaps | (by the way, it would be pretty nice to have some pre-installation diagnostic tools like memtest86+ and smartctl on the official installer image) |
| 15:26.34 | abbemsly | oh so backports is just as-is, not a way to move your distro from stable to testing |
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| 15:57.27 | holycow | hi. do apps like synaptic categorize apps in their list arbitrarily or is category part of dpkg data? |
| 15:57.53 | holycow | i don't see any category info in package info |
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| 16:09.26 | zykotick9 | holycow: you might want to look into "debtags" <- only a guess... |
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| 16:10.10 | holycow | ah, lets see. thx for the tip. |
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| 16:20.11 | rocketmagnet | hi all, i have a strange problem with my sound output |
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| 16:22.50 | rocketmagnet | i have an onboard soundcard and the sound worked, then i changed the volume and since then my sound is gone |
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| 16:23.53 | pingfloyd | check all levels in alsa mixer and pavucontrol |
| 16:23.59 | rocketmagnet | alsamixer shows me that sound id playing bit i don't head any sound :/ :/ |
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| 16:24.42 | rocketmagnet | pingfloyd: you are my hero !!!!!!!! |
| 16:24.48 | pingfloyd | in alsa mixer may have to hit an f key to see them all |
| 16:24.52 | rocketmagnet | pavucontrol does the thing :) :) :) |
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| 16:24.59 | rocketmagnet | man you made me happy |
| 16:25.03 | pingfloyd | right on |
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| 16:28.26 | rocketmagnet | pingfloyd: is there a tool that can check with box is left/right/back-left/back-front ? |
| 16:28.45 | SuperTramp83 | this (when you mute - 0 volume) and also when you plug in and then unplug the headphones - I solved the issue by directly purging pulseaudio. All fine since then. Alsa is beautiful :) |
| 16:29.16 | pingfloyd | pulse is buggy |
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| 16:30.03 | pingfloyd | sometimes the levels get messed up as plug and unplug stuff |
| 16:30.04 | SuperTramp83 | yep, I experienced the same behavior on a lot of different hardware, always muting the main volume :( |
| 16:30.30 | pingfloyd | muting and unmuting both |
| 16:30.43 | SuperTramp83 | yeah |
| 16:30.53 | pingfloyd | and levels changing on their own |
| 16:31.01 | cjdavies | How do I specify what conf file wpa_supplicant should use when it starts at boot? I have a /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf which is fine when I manually invoke it, but when the box reboots it starts wpa_supplicant with no conf. |
| 16:31.05 | SuperTramp83 | yes, correct, totally weird |
| 16:31.12 | SuperTramp83 | alsa FTW :) |
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| 16:36.30 | aedinius | cjdavies: this is what i have setup http://askubuntu.com/questions/385680/wpa-roam-when-ethernet-is-connected |
| 16:37.22 | epsilon | what's the most elegant way to run iptables depending on running process? Such as: "if apache is running, add INPUT -dport 80 rule" |
| 16:37.26 | rocketmagnet | pingfloyd: thx again and bye, marry xmas :) |
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| 16:39.41 | aedinius | epsilon: if [ $(pgrep -c apache) -gt 0 ]; then addfirewallrule; fi |
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| 16:42.49 | oaps | epsilon: or just write a wrapper script for apache that inserts the rule and then removes it again when the process has exited. |
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| 16:44.08 | aedinius | you could write a new unit to run when apache.service starts |
| 16:44.11 | aedinius | or something |
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| 16:51.54 | oaps | can i block name requests for 'something.local' from ever being sent as a normal dns requests even if mdns lookup fails? |
| 16:52.07 | oaps | on all connections managed by network-manager. |
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| 16:53.41 | cjdavies | aedinius: I worked out it was because /etc/network/interfaces was completely blank |
| 16:54.46 | adrienb_isi | I there ! I have some trouble about network. I'm setting privoxy on my raspberry. The port 8118 is open, my browser (on my other computer which is in the same network) is weel configured, but it doesn't receive the packets. Here the error: "The proxy server is refusing connections". tcpdump on my rpi gives me this : |
| 16:54.54 | adrienb_isi | 16:27:33.511692 IP Armory.58262 > raspberrypi.8118: Flags [S], seq 4185248467, win 29200, options [mss 1460,sackOK,TS val 80374112 ecr 0,nop,wscale 7], length 0 |
| 16:54.57 | adrienb_isi | 16:27:33.511828 IP raspberrypi.8118 > Armory.58262: Flags [R.], seq 0, ack 4185248468, win 0, length 0 |
| 16:55.03 | adrienb_isi | Armory is my other computer |
| 16:55.22 | adrienb_isi | I precise that there is no firewall on my both computers for now |
| 16:55.33 | adrienb_isi | Do you have an idea ? Thanks in advance for you help |
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| 16:56.47 | ksk | Hey. If I run my own git server via ssh; how do I enforce some sshkey to only be able to do gitstuff, but having no shell etc? command= in authorized_keys line? anything else? thanks |
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| 17:02.00 | ksk | hum, seems there is "/usr/bin/git-shell" - Ill give that a try! thanks :) |
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| 17:02.32 | plop6 | hi |
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| 17:03.32 | plop6 | using debian sid, how to solve: gcc:error trying to exec 'cc1': execvp: no such file or directory |
| 17:03.51 | epsilon | oaps: interesting idea :) |
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| 17:25.42 | plop6 | found solution, cpp was not on same version than current gcc, did symlinks on /usr/local/bin to solve it |
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| 17:32.05 | code_geek | Hi, I am new to Open Source Community, and would like to get started on contributing. I want to contribute on python. Can anyone tell how to get started? |
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| 17:33.25 | somiaj | code_geek: debian specific: https://www.debian.org/intro/help |
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| 17:33.48 | code_geek | somiaj, thanks |
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| 17:41.53 | electricark | So I'm looking for a program that will autorepeat/emulate keypresses when holding down my mouse button. Anyone know of anything thatll work? |
| 17:42.13 | electricark | Perhaps a script of some sort... |
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| 17:42.48 | petn-randall | code_geek: A more general approach is to look into projects you are interested in and want to commit to for a longer time, and then look for easy tasks to get your feet wet. |
| 17:42.59 | petn-randall | lags. |
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| 18:34.57 | jamesl | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:35.01 | jamesl | client. Also, the "homes" share works so Samba is working, I am simply having problems with this share. Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong?? |
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| 18:38.16 | petemc | jamesl: did you run smbpasswd for that user? |
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| 18:39.24 | jamesl | petemc: yes, smpasswd -a |
| 18:39.39 | jamesl | but then I changed the password but didn't run smbpasswd again |
| 18:40.00 | jamesl | although the "homes" share works with the same user as this other share, so auth for this specific user is working |
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| 18:40.19 | jamesl | I think it's a problem with the individual share definitions |
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| 18:45.15 | jamesl | petemc: I ran it again just in case, same error |
| 18:45.35 | jamesl | testparm says there are no errors in the config file |
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| 18:50.05 | sdfsadfsadf | help |
| 18:51.32 | sdfsadfsadf | how can I revert propietary drivers back to open source ones? I changed fglrx with 'radeon' in xorg.conf but now I'm getting a "no screens found" error and can't start xserver |
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| 18:58.05 | dx | hey, can new versions of existing packages be uploaded during the stretch *soft* freeze the next month? |
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| 19:01.55 | petn-randall | dx: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2016/11/msg00002.html |
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| 19:02.26 | jamesl | petemc: I fixed it, turns out the share directory was chmod 700. Setting mode 755 did it |
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| 19:03.49 | dx | thanks |
| 19:03.55 | dx | petn-randall: "Updates to existing packages in stretch will continue as normal" - does that refer to updates through patches only? or are whole upstream tarballs ok too? |
| 19:04.43 | Maskara | does anyone know how to change the default search folder in the file search app so that it searches file system instead of home folder? |
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| 19:06.07 | dontknow | Maskara, what file search app? |
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| 19:07.26 | Maskara | just the local one that comes with the os under accessories |
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| 19:08.27 | n4dir | don't get mre wrong, Maskara, but imho the better option is to learn such from the commandline (locate, find and such) |
| 19:09.06 | dontknow | use nautilus file manager. it has great search function |
| 19:09.07 | n4dir | that was my way to say: i sure got no idea how to change the default in the search-app. :-) |
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| 19:09.59 | Maskara | ur right its more efficient im being lazy...i was trying to fill up slots on my desktop panels ;) |
| 19:10.24 | n4dir | now that is always a good thing. |
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| 19:11.13 | Maskara | lol yes and the mate file manager is quite good |
| 19:11.21 | kqr | is it possible to make *my* cron jobs use a different sendmail than the global cron jobs? |
| 19:11.47 | kqr | (without piping to my sendmail for each cron job...) |
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| 19:16.57 | Maskara | btw guys if u maintain a legacy windows machine or partition and dont yet have win10 i just found a free upgrade yesterday that still works .. |
| 19:17.05 | Maskara | https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade?tduid=(14c348e893a91089cb2980533c6ee123)(256380)(2459594)(TnL5HPStwNw-0FBZfNm6YPFXNhiu3o52rA)() |
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| 19:17.22 | OdinYggd | Maskara, you could have installed 7 in a VM and then upgraded the VM to 10. |
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| 19:17.28 | teraflops | Maskara: huh? |
| 19:17.33 | OdinYggd | Basically, all you had to do was reserve the upgrade for your 7 or 8 product key |
| 19:17.39 | dontknow | windows10 spy |
| 19:17.40 | OdinYggd | then you could use your original version or 10 |
| 19:17.47 | OdinYggd | But why would you want 10 anyway |
| 19:17.49 | Maskara | i already had 7 starter on the netbook |
| 19:17.51 | OdinYggd | The telemetry cannot be turned off |
| 19:17.57 | OdinYggd | because it gets turned back on by updates |
| 19:18.07 | awal1 | nobody cares about microsoft/windows here |
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| 19:18.56 | Maskara | some people maintain a windows machine for w/e reason doesnt mean they prefer it over linux |
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| 19:19.14 | teraflops | …and why would you share things like that in #debian? |
| 19:19.16 | Maskara | i have one to test stuff on |
| 19:19.33 | Maskara | ..why not ? |
| 19:19.35 | blimpy | woop woop, installing debian on my ibook g3 |
| 19:19.53 | blimpy | i wonder how fast it'll be with a lightweight wm |
| 19:20.04 | blimpy | i only have ~128mb of ram so |
| 19:20.21 | blimpy | the install is pretty speedy |
| 19:20.23 | slax0r | is it inadvisable to use nomodeset on the long run? |
| 19:20.28 | teraflops | Maskara: unrelated to the #topic |
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| 19:22.11 | Maskara | btw, im not a spy tyvm! ;)) |
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| 19:23.40 | oaps | how do you configure a network interface to use ipv4ll when dhcp isn't available, without network-manager? |
| 19:24.10 | OdinYggd | /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:24.22 | OdinYggd | Give it a static IPv4 and gateway |
| 19:25.01 | oaps | no, i want ipv4ll when dhcp isn't available. not a static ip, and a gateway would be pretty useless for a local link connection. |
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| 19:27.18 | OdinYggd | I've not seen a working IPv4 link local in many years. Though the standards for it exist at least. |
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| 19:27.34 | slax0r | oaps: zeroconf? |
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| 19:27.41 | oaps | yes. |
| 19:27.45 | OdinYggd | Might be possible to set a static IP if the dhcp client tiems out at least. |
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| 19:27.52 | slax0r | oaps: tried this yet: https://wiki.debian.org/ZeroConf ? |
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| 19:33.08 | oaps | slax0r: it seems to be a list of packages followed by a rant about why zeroconf is bad, not instructions for how to set it up for a network interface. |
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| 19:35.17 | slax0r | oaps: honestly I haven't read it, nor tried to set it up, just tried to lead you into the right direction |
| 19:35.39 | OdinYggd | Zeroconf is really bad though |
| 19:35.55 | OdinYggd | Its rare to see it actually used due to how unreliable and insecure it gets at times |
| 19:36.18 | OdinYggd | What kind of network setup are you using that a static IP is unsuitable? |
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| 19:37.13 | teraflops | a large one? |
| 19:37.40 | oaps | OdinYggd: a server is usually connected to a router and gets assigned an ip address using dhcp, but occasionally i want to plug it in directly to my laptop, type 'ssh myserver.local' and do some things. |
| 19:37.49 | oaps | why would it be insecure? |
| 19:38.11 | OdinYggd | It'd be fine in an environment where you are the only person to have physical access. |
| 19:38.16 | oaps | yes. |
| 19:38.23 | oaps | and the only one with the ssh keys. |
| 19:38.26 | OdinYggd | Anyone else getting access though could transmit info to mislead zeroconf and hijack your setup |
| 19:38.35 | OdinYggd | Still not a recommended configuration |
| 19:38.55 | OdinYggd | Does the server have only one NIC in it? |
| 19:39.06 | oaps | yes. |
| 19:39.22 | oaps | network-manager does this all the time for managed interfaces. |
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| 19:39.36 | OdinYggd | Ah. Cause with two nics this would be a piece of cake, one runs a dhcp client while the other runs a dhcp server |
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| 19:39.57 | OdinYggd | On a single nic, I'm not sure |
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| 19:40.07 | oaps | a dhcp server just to be able to connect with a single computer on a local link? |
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| 19:40.37 | OdinYggd | Doesn't have to have a huge address pool, but it would let the laptop get an IP automatically just like it expects |
| 19:40.40 | teraflops | oaps: you have to trust every machine if you use zeroconf |
| 19:40.55 | OdinYggd | Usually though a point to point link just give it a static IP on each end and be done |
| 19:41.08 | OdinYggd | Your case is special because normally the interface is assigned an IP dyamically |
| 19:41.15 | OdinYggd | Not sure if using subinterfaces breaks the DHCP client |
| 19:41.17 | oaps | OdinYggd: the laptop doesn't expect that, it will happily assign itself a local-link address if it can't get a dhcp one. |
| 19:41.21 | oaps | i just want the same for the server. |
| 19:41.24 | OdinYggd | hmm |
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| 19:41.53 | oaps | this is the default configuration for network-manager. |
| 19:42.28 | oaps | teraflops: hence ssh. |
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| 19:43.29 | OdinYggd | But when the server is getting its address from DHCP, it will still accept data from zeroconf too |
| 19:43.40 | OdinYggd | Making it possible to hijack the server's traffic for MITM attacks |
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| 19:44.15 | OdinYggd | I think you need something more along the lines of configuring the DHCP client to perform an action if no address is given within a certain timeframe |
| 19:44.24 | teraflops | if you use zeroconf you have to trust every machine on the lan, if not you better not use zeroconf |
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| 19:45.02 | teraflops | so further concerns about security are useless |
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| 19:45.51 | oaps | teraflops: trust every machine to do what? they can't actually do anything without ssh keys, and they can't pose as another machine without that machine's host keys. |
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| 19:49.33 | OdinYggd | zeroconf doesn't just configure IPs. It also tries to configure printers, routers, IoT hardware.. |
| 19:49.51 | OdinYggd | anything that is configured to participate in zeroconf will be mapped on your system |
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| 19:50.13 | OdinYggd | In any case, I just did a little looking into this and it seems that yes you can run dhcp on eth0 then use a static IP on eth0:1 |
| 19:50.28 | OdinYggd | Like so you can just give the laptop a static IP when it needs to connect and go with it |
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| 19:51.27 | OdinYggd | Windows lets you set 'fallback IP' info to use if DHCP fails, so if the laptop isn't Linux it can be automated to do this. Linux should support it as well, but i'm not sure how cause I've yet to try |
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| 19:53.18 | meow | Hello |
| 19:53.23 | meow | I'm trying to install Debian Sarge |
| 19:53.39 | meow | certainly the debian archive apt repo is throwing 404 for sarge |
| 19:53.41 | meow | What can I do? |
| 19:54.23 | OdinYggd | Does Sarge still have a mirror system like the newer distros do? |
| 19:54.31 | meow | yeah |
| 19:54.33 | OdinYggd | I would expect it to fail over to a different server after a few attempts |
| 19:54.35 | meow | it does, |
| 19:54.41 | OdinYggd | Possibly flush your DNS so it pulls a new server |
| 19:54.47 | meow | what new server |
| 19:54.51 | meow | I mean I want some sources.list |
| 19:55.19 | OdinYggd | The addresses in sources.list point to multiple servers in different physical locations in order to help distribute the loading better |
| 19:55.29 | meow | my sources.list is empty :P |
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| 19:55.33 | OdinYggd | ah |
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| 19:57.43 | meow | wtf sarge is there http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/ |
| 19:58.12 | meow | deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ sarge main non-free contrib |
| 19:58.16 | meow | why is this throwing some 404 |
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| 20:00.53 | teraflops | meow: because your url is r0ng? |
| 20:01.03 | meow | wat |
| 20:01.03 | meow | hwo |
| 20:01.04 | meow | how * |
| 20:01.25 | teraflops | or it looks to me it's wrong |
| 20:01.36 | meow | what should it be |
| 20:01.45 | teraflops | http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/ ? |
| 20:02.13 | meow | that'd be then: deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge main non-free contrib |
| 20:02.13 | meow | ? |
| 20:02.22 | teraflops | hmm yeah |
| 20:02.26 | meow | let's try |
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| 20:06.33 | teraflops | hmm |
| 20:07.00 | teraflops | dpkg: sarge sources.list |
| 20:07.00 | dpkg | sarge sources.list is probably "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free" and "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-security sarge/updates main contrib non-free" |
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| 20:09.12 | teraflops | meow: well it looks like I brainfarted according to the factoid so nvm |
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| 20:10.47 | meow | teraflops: yep xp |
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| 20:20.00 | petn-randall | dx: Yes, that means packages already in stretch can get upstream updates. |
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| 20:24.34 | meow | while installing debian sarge |
| 20:24.44 | meow | There's that "Select and install packages" process |
| 20:24.46 | meow | the thing is |
| 20:25.11 | meow | I click it, it shows me things like "Desktop user, SQL server, Web server, manual config" ect |
| 20:25.19 | meow | regardless of what I click, It fais |
| 20:25.28 | meow | and I get an error message, and then get back to the installatin menu |
| 20:25.29 | meow | wat I do |
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| 20:28.51 | mtn | meow: do a minimal install and then fix your sources |
| 20:30.57 | mtn | !sarge |
| 20:30.58 | dpkg | Sarge is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 3.1, released June 6th, 2005. Sarge security support ended on 2008-03-31, this release is no longer supported. Sarge users should upgrade to Etch, ask me about <sarge->etch>. Removed from the mirrors; ask me about <sarge sources.list>, <sarge-backports>. Get old sarge ISOs here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r8/ http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSarge |
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| 20:43.11 | meow | mtn, fine |
| 20:43.43 | meow | I skipped the steps and such |
| 20:43.55 | meow | Now I wanted to install LXDE, and it doesn't seem to be found in the apt repo |
| 20:44.02 | meow | what can I use as a desktop env for sarge |
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| 21:01.28 | funkster | im a bit confused. so if a service is run by systemd it doesn't have to be in update.rcd startup? |
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| 21:07.25 | nkuttler | funkster: systemd has no rc scripts |
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| 21:09.02 | nymous | hi folks |
| 21:09.07 | nymous | i need help with dnsmasq |
| 21:09.14 | nymous | it drives me insane |
| 21:09.16 | funkster | nkuttler: yes, i am asking why would a service start with update.rc and not systemd. for example apache2 by default is update-rc.d and no systemd setup |
| 21:09.34 | nymous | i'm trying to lease ips for strongswan clients |
| 21:09.51 | nymous | i'm running dnsmasq on lo |
| 21:10.19 | nymous | i have set ip range 10.1.15.10 -- 10.1.15.254, 10.1.15.1/24 is on lo |
| 21:10.24 | nymous | but all i get is |
| 21:10.34 | nymous | 2231733216 available DHCP range: 10.1.15.10 -- 10.1.15.254 |
| 21:10.34 | nymous | 2231733216 DHCPDISCOVER(lo) 7a:a7:f6:0a:7f:ce no address available |
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| 21:12.10 | nkuttler | funkster: what exactly do you mean? |
| 21:12.26 | nymous | argh, set 10.1.15.1/32 and it works |
| 21:12.31 | nymous | O_O |
| 21:12.45 | awal1 | funkster: does apache2 have a native systemd unit? |
| 21:12.53 | nkuttler | funkster: afaik some packages still ship rc scripts, and systemd can read them |
| 21:13.21 | funkster | nkuttler: some services i install start up with systemd and some start with rc scripts. |
| 21:13.34 | nkuttler | funkster: systemd probably calls those rc scripts |
| 21:13.35 | funkster | is that just.. just the way it is at this point? |
| 21:13.52 | nkuttler | i think it's for a transitional period |
| 21:13.53 | funkster | nkuttler: right, it does in the case of apache2. |
| 21:13.59 | nkuttler | probably so that other inits keep working |
| 21:14.34 | funkster | gotcha. i guess thats whats confusing me when i install a service and i don't see it in rc script |
| 21:14.42 | funkster | but it still starts on boot, so i look in systemd... |
| 21:14.48 | funkster | confusing setup |
| 21:14.51 | nkuttler | yeah, it's a little messy atm |
| 21:14.52 | awal1 | when x pkg have no a native systemd unit, systemd calls rc script of that x pkg, as I know :P |
| 21:15.04 | awal1 | something like that |
| 21:15.11 | nkuttler | also, service scripts can contain hardcoded config, i haven't seen something similar to /etc/default/ |
| 21:16.04 | nkuttler | i don't think they get interpreted.. |
| 21:16.29 | funkster | i do like that systemd has supervisord like feature, makes sure its running all the time. |
| 21:16.48 | nkuttler | i just supervisord.. |
| 21:16.57 | nkuttler | just use.. |
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| 23:09.25 | pamir | sers |
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| 23:10.45 | pamir | i installed debian today, and i am pleased. |
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| 23:15.47 | format_c | pamir, great |
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| 23:16.48 | format_c | This was also the first experience I installed it after using several other distros. This was now quite some years ago and I'm still happy with it. |
| 23:17.54 | awal1 | !next |
| 23:17.54 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 23:18.28 | teraflops | !prev |
| 23:18.37 | awal1 | :) |
| 23:19.00 | pamir | i was here the other day, just accidentally, because #slackware was joinable only on invite. but i felt bad, hiding here, pretendeing, when in fct running slackware... i feel better now, true! |
| 23:19.33 | teraflops | lol |
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| 23:19.41 | pamir | debian seems to install even less crap out of the box. and i do like the integritiy check of aptitude/synaptics |
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| 23:19.57 | awal1 | I wonder who is this silly/pervert guy who made the following topic: |
| 23:20.01 | awal1 | !sex |
| 23:20.01 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 23:20.09 | awal1 | sorry, guys :P |
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| 23:20.41 | awal1 | factoid I meant ^ |
| 23:21.00 | h9k | dangerous, he continues even when not finding the condom package |
| 23:21.03 | h9k | could get infected! |
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| 23:21.25 | pamir | very sequential / procedural thinking. i bet he has a lot of sex. |
| 23:21.35 | pamir | so focused, always. |
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| 23:50.02 | awal1 | I wanted to try weechat or irssi and not sure which is one have more features by default. Tips? |
| 23:50.48 | awal1 | Not looking for a vs b but almst for which of them have more features by default, without extra configs/script |
| 23:51.41 | awal1 | in the web, weechat is more popular, seems |
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| 23:52.33 | n4dir | yes, i didn't use it, but weechat seem to have more features. |
| 23:52.48 | n4dir | hearsay |
| 23:53.06 | awal1 | seems, yeah. i guess tmux+byobu+irssi/wechat would be a nice experience |
| 23:53.34 | n4dir | either one or both have split screen too. tried it, but ... well: urgh |
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| 23:53.49 | awal1 | byobu bcuz of the multitabs, splitting and tab zoom feature |
| 23:53.57 | n4dir | hard to read anything after the windows are split |
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| 23:54.30 | awal1 | looks like weechat can z a given tab with alt+z |
| 23:54.31 | teraflops | weechat has a relay mode that works very well |
| 23:54.40 | awal1 | can zoom/focus |
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| 23:55.50 | awal1 | i meant, via alt+z one can zoom a splitted tab when needed, seems |
| 23:56.22 | n4dir | speaking of tmux, byobu, etc, i just ran into vtwm (?), a tiling thing for tty (can't say it does more or different than screen/tmux, just saying it exists) |
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| 23:57.20 | awal1 | I tried vtwm a moment time ago and I was lost |
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| 23:57.35 | awal1 | crazy WM |
| 23:58.01 | LtL | awal1: F5 or alt-n in weechat moves to the next buffer very fast, lots of features. probably more than irssi |
| 23:58.28 | LtL | awal1: logging is better also |
| 23:59.02 | awal1 | Ltl: just installed it, and will try it heavily later |
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| 23:59.29 | awal1 | more funny running it in a drop-down terminal, like guake, yeahconsole or tilda |
| 23:59.31 | hamsheet_ | how do I set jumbo frames? |
| 23:59.41 | hamsheet_ | stuff liek this does not work for me ip link set eth1 mtu 9000 |
| 23:59.51 | hamsheet_ | RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument |