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| 00:04.01 | peeps[lappy] | i just was able to scp a file as root user to a debian machine and it didn't prompt for password, how? |
| 00:04.28 | x86iac | jelly you just a provacateur i see |
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| 00:05.34 | jelly | x86iac: cool down for a bit, please, and keep to tech stuff here in the future |
| 00:05.39 | schnabeltasse | cached password? no password?? hacked machine? victim of thought control experiments of government? |
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| 00:06.32 | zykotick9 | peeps[lappy]: you have heard of using keys with ssh right? |
| 00:07.17 | peeps[lappy] | zykotick9, yeah i always forget how that works, but i'm pretty sure i never set that up for this machine. its a beaglebone black fwiw |
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| 00:08.09 | peeps[lappy] | it displayed a login message but didn't actually prompt for pw |
| 00:08.14 | zykotick9 | peeps[lappy]: well, with the BBB it might not has a password by default... i'm not sure. you might want to ask in #beagle |
| 00:08.17 | teraflops | peeps[lappy]: and is running stock debian? |
| 00:08.35 | zykotick9 | s/not has/not have/ |
| 00:08.45 | jelly | peeps[lappy]: if you used something other that debian-installer to install the OS, there might be ANYTHING set up there |
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| 00:09.04 | peeps[lappy] | *shrug* it came pre-installed |
| 00:09.20 | Atm0spher1c | how do i downgrade a package if for example I'm not storing deb files in var/cache? |
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| 00:10.28 | jelly | Atm0spher1c: downgrade which package from what to what? apt-get has syntax to install a specific version. |
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| 00:10.58 | TomTomTo1 | apt-get install <pkg>=<version> works in most cases. if there is a problem with config compatebility you will have to purge the package and reinstall. that is if the package is still listed in your repos. |
| 00:11.00 | jelly | peeps[lappy]: then ask the vendor, I suppose, if they provided the machine already installed |
| 00:11.22 | Atm0spher1c | just downgrade if something broke. I know how to choose version, but where do I see versions available. debian.org package site only shows current versioin |
| 00:11.39 | jelly | Atm0spher1c: apt-cache policy packagename |
| 00:11.46 | Atm0spher1c | ahh thank you |
| 00:12.15 | Atm0spher1c | it only shows the previous version, correct? |
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| 00:12.33 | Atm0spher1c | that's what i see |
| 00:12.34 | jelly | it will show all the versions available in configured repos |
| 00:12.35 | Atm0spher1c | just one |
| 00:12.59 | jelly | so it depends on the repos you have enabled |
| 00:13.09 | teraflops | idk if http://snapshot.debian.org/ is useful |
| 00:13.18 | Atm0spher1c | oh yeah snapshots |
| 00:13.32 | jelly | Atm0spher1c: again, which package are you talking about? which version do you plan to downgrade from and to? |
| 00:13.38 | Atm0spher1c | so if I put in an older version will it install it, or do i have to do it manually from snapshots? |
| 00:14.10 | Atm0spher1c | jelly: doesnt really matter. I just put chromium on hold. |
| 00:14.17 | Atm0spher1c | I was just wondering how ppl downgrade |
| 00:14.17 | jelly | Atm0spher1c: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy yourpackage" and "apt-cache policy" |
| 00:14.24 | jelly | but it does matter |
| 00:14.34 | teraflops | never used it but it looks like you can download single packages from there |
| 00:15.08 | jelly | teraflops: you can, but in general case you probably don't want to figure out dependencies manually |
| 00:15.14 | teraflops | sure |
| 00:15.17 | TomTomTo1 | well, the frontpage has instructions. |
| 00:15.44 | Atm0spher1c | apt-cache policy only shows package available, and not previous versions. I just thought there was an easier way to do this. |
| 00:16.01 | jelly | Atm0spher1c: can you pastebin the actual output? |
| 00:16.02 | Atm0spher1c | it will show backports and stable for example |
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| 00:17.27 | TomTomTo1 | because that's what you have enabled in your sources. |
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| 00:18.27 | jelly | Atm0spher1c: read the instructions for snapshots. Find the relevant timestamp for the release containing your desired version. Add/enable that snapshot repo. After an apt-get update, apt-cache policy packagename ought to show the version from the snapshot |
| 00:18.46 | jelly | at that point you can try to install it via apt |
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| 00:19.21 | Atm0spher1c | jelly: oh damn, I didn't know I can actually add snapshots as a repo |
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| 00:19.34 | Atm0spher1c | thats what i meant, a simple way to downgrade |
| 00:19.41 | Atm0spher1c | https://paste.debian.net/903303/ |
| 00:19.55 | Atm0spher1c | ^ that wont really help anything but you wanted it |
| 00:20.50 | Atm0spher1c | i probably should have looked closer at the snapshots page |
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| 00:22.03 | jelly | that's output from, looks like, "apt-cache policy ffmpeg youtube-dl chromium", but you did not also provide output for "apt-cache policy" without any package names |
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| 00:22.40 | jelly | without the latter we can't know whether you have any snapshot repo enabled |
| 00:22.59 | Atm0spher1c | oh |
| 00:23.03 | Atm0spher1c | i dont |
| 00:23.29 | Atm0spher1c | im gonna mess with sid so I think this will be useful |
| 00:23.43 | Atm0spher1c | also incase of bugs |
| 00:23.52 | Atm0spher1c | like the last chromium one |
| 00:24.54 | jelly | aptitude has a nice "forbid-version" |
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| 00:25.30 | Atm0spher1c | interesting |
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| 00:25.42 | Atm0spher1c | but i noticed if i held a package with aptitude, apt would not obey the hold |
| 00:25.48 | jelly | !hold |
| 00:25.49 | dpkg | hold is a status flag that tells the package manager to not automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package 'echo $package hold|dpkg --set-selections' or 'aptitude hold $package'. Note that "aptitude hold" is ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager, synaptic, apt-get) and aptitude won't necessarily use holds set with dpkg; see Debian bug #137771 (fixed in stretch). See also <hold list>, <unhold>. |
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| 00:26.20 | Atm0spher1c | so i used apt-mark. Will aptitude forbid-version work with apt? |
| 00:26.37 | jelly | no idea, I wouldn't bet on it |
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| 00:26.47 | Atm0spher1c | yeah, its just that aptitude is slow |
| 00:26.51 | Atm0spher1c | so i dont use it |
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| 00:38.56 | Maskara | damn its so crazy that in android and win u can get a full blown twitter client in 60secs and that includes login but in linux u gotta pray that .deb file is still in that link u found buried in some forum that was actually meant for ubuntu anyway |
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| 00:39.52 | Maskara | jusventin! |
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| 00:42.00 | jelly | Maskara: "apt-cache search twitter" returns nothing? |
| 00:42.12 | jelly | or did you try each one and none worked |
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| 00:45.14 | Maskara | never tried that .. i will now |
| 00:45.29 | Atm0spher1c | lol |
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| 00:46.02 | Maskara | im still a noob so i get frustrated ....:)) |
| 00:46.06 | Atm0spher1c | ignorance aint bliss |
| 00:46.16 | Maskara | ur right it isnt |
| 00:46.47 | Atm0spher1c | yeah apt-cache search is really usefull, then you can pipe into grep |
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| 00:48.24 | Atm0spher1c | Maskara: try https://github.com/dialelo/turses |
| 00:48.38 | Atm0spher1c | or http://www.rainbowstream.org/ https://github.com/DTVD/rainbowstream |
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| 00:49.03 | Atm0spher1c | oh i forgot, not everyone likes command line. not sure about gui |
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| 00:50.30 | Maskara | i just |more so ican scroll but basically that list is wat u get when u search in synaptic an none of those are a full client ..just adhoc commandline for quick posts |
| 00:51.12 | Atm0spher1c | the above i listed are full clients on the terminal |
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| 00:51.43 | Maskara | i dont mind commandline but when ur cracking out on twitter the gui is awesome |
| 00:51.47 | Atm0spher1c | cant imagine not finding open source one from search |
| 00:51.49 | Maskara | ahh k lemme tryi |
| 00:52.16 | Atm0spher1c | you haven't even tried a google search? lol |
| 00:52.35 | Maskara | corebird is OS and a bitcch to install |
| 00:53.44 | Atm0spher1c | Maskara: nah |
| 00:53.52 | Atm0spher1c | try backporting from sid |
| 00:54.01 | Atm0spher1c | its in sid |
| 00:54.30 | Maskara | i dont know wat that mean vbut ill check |
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| 00:56.13 | Atm0spher1c | Maskara: backporting is easy. this is old but is still relevant http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=38976 |
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| 00:57.07 | Maskara | backporting isnt that debian kryptonite? selling ur soul to devil? |
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| 00:57.49 | Atm0spher1c | um no. what's the kryptonite? the devil? |
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| 00:58.42 | Atm0spher1c | have you ever seen one? |
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| 00:59.28 | domovoy | hi |
| 00:59.35 | zykotick9 | !tell Maskara about ssb |
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| 01:01.39 | domovoy | i have troubles with postfix + dovecot + roundcube + startssl. I created a certificate on startssl.com, setup postfix/dovecot to use the .cert and .key. If i connect to the imap server remotely (using claws mail) it asks me to accept the certificate, and then connect. But from roundcube, i get this error in mail.log: "TLS handshaking: SSL_accept() failed: error:14094418:SSL routines:SSL3_READ_BYTES:tlsv1 alert unknown ca: SSL alert number 48". Any idea |
| 01:01.39 | domovoy | why? |
| 01:01.52 | Maskara | oh nice ..thnx zykotick |
| 01:02.26 | Maskara | k u guys gave good leads ...lemme try to mash em up and see wat i get |
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| 01:04.16 | Atm0spher1c | domovoy: not sure that's a debian problem. mail is complicated |
| 01:04.26 | Atm0spher1c | domovoy: have you read https://workaround.org/ispmail ? |
| 01:05.29 | abrotman | domovoy: have you tried with a self-signed cert just for comparison? |
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| 01:06.02 | abrotman | domovoy: which versoin of linux are you using? |
| 01:06.22 | domovoy | Atm0spher1c> yes, i did |
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| 01:07.56 | domovoy | abrotman> self-signed works well if i config roundcube with "$config['imap_conn_options'] = array('ssl' => array('allow_self_signed' => true));" |
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| 01:08.11 | domovoy | abrotman> debian stable, with jessie-backports for roundcube |
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| 01:08.32 | abrotman | domovoy: Eh, what OS is the browser on? |
| 01:08.54 | domovoy | abrotman> debian stable, with jessie-backports |
| 01:09.18 | abrotman | domovoy: have you checked to see if starttls is in the CA that on the OS? |
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| 01:10.22 | domovoy | abrotman> thougth about something like that, how do i do that? |
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| 01:12.25 | abrotman | domovoy: you can run 'update-ca-certificates' perhaps |
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| 01:12.48 | abrotman | ah, not quite |
| 01:12.59 | abrotman | but I'd guess /etc/ssl/certificates/ |
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| 01:14.15 | domovoy | abrotman> i did a search in that directory, but no file name contains "start", and the only one with "ssl" is the snakeoil |
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| 01:15.02 | domovoy | update-ca-certificates gives me 0 added |
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| 01:18.00 | domovoy | tried moving the root.crt startssl gave there, then update-ca-certificates; no luck |
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| 01:25.52 | abrotman | judd: versions ca-certificates |
| 01:25.53 | judd | Package: ca-certificates on amd64 -- wheezy: 20130119+deb7u1; jessie: 20141019+deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 20141019+deb8u2; stretch: 20160104; sid: 20161130; stretch: 20161130 |
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| 01:45.09 | peeps[lappy] | why would I see different output between command dmesg and the file /var/log/dmesg ? |
| 01:46.33 | mizerian | I say debian should be desktop for all government jobs with iceWM libreoffice and firefox with ublock! |
| 01:46.36 | mizerian | bam! |
| 01:46.41 | mizerian | use swi prolog for all web apps |
| 01:46.44 | mizerian | bam! |
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| 01:46.52 | mizerian | gods Im sexy n smart |
| 01:47.07 | somiaj | and you are off topic, please try to stay on debian user support here. |
| 01:48.06 | peeps[lappy] | is there some way to continue to see dmesg output as it comes? |
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| 01:48.53 | domovoy | for those interested: i did have to add startssl root cert to the system: 'cp 1_root_bundle.crt /usr/local/share/ca-certificates/startssl_root_bundle.crt && update-ca-certificates' (thanks abrotman for pointing me in the right direction) |
| 01:49.15 | somiaj | peeps[lappy]: I think 'watch' can do that |
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| 01:50.38 | TomTomTo1 | or the -w option. |
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| 01:52.10 | domovoy | so, does that mean jessie ca-certificates is outdated? or that startssl is not a valid ca according to debian? |
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| 01:53.03 | somiaj | domovoy: Have you tried the version in jessie-proposed-updates? |
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| 01:54.58 | domovoy | somiaj> how do i do that? is that not the same as backports? |
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| 01:55.32 | somiaj | domovoy: I'm just going from the versions listed from the bot. I didn't see one in backports |
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| 01:55.46 | somiaj | !proposed-updates |
| 01:55.46 | dpkg | stable-proposed-updates is a repository containing packages being prepared for the next <point release>. While they have already been, your additional testing is most welcome prior to wider release. http://www.debian.org/releases/proposed-updates http://release.debian.org/proposed-updates/stable.html . See also <oldstable-proposed-updates>, <testing-proposed-updates>. |
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| 01:56.16 | Walex | domovoy: which root certificates are trusted is in essence a site-dependent decision. The Debian defaults are just a hint/suggestion |
| 01:56.19 | seb_ | #deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ stable-proposed-updates main |
| 01:57.26 | somiaj | domovoy: domovoy https://release.debian.org/proposed-updates/stable.html#ca-certificates_20141019+deb8u2 -- there was some update, unsure if that update fixes your issue or not in jessie |
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| 01:57.53 | somiaj | domovoy: I just noticed the update, wasn't sure if had anything to do with your issue or not. |
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| 01:58.44 | Blazing420 | i see purple trees |
| 01:59.03 | Walex | Blazing420: no yellow submarines? |
| 01:59.15 | Blazing420 | Walex: those too |
| 01:59.22 | domovoy | quick question: does proposed-updates need to be installed with a "-t" like backports, or will a dist-upgrade put my whole system in the state of proposed-updates? |
| 01:59.48 | mizerian | Im still trying to figure out why chrome is held back |
| 01:59.50 | mizerian | lol |
| 01:59.53 | somiaj | domovoy: no |
| 02:00.04 | Blazing420 | i see purple |
| 02:00.10 | Blazing420 | everything is turning purple |
| 02:00.10 | somiaj | domovoy: packages just pool there while waiting for a point release to happen, then will move into jessie proper |
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| 02:00.39 | somiaj | Blazing420: I think you are in the wrong channel. This is not for social or off-topic chat, but only debian support. |
| 02:01.20 | domovoy | somiaj> so, they are kind of like "between" stable and backports? |
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| 02:01.53 | Blazing420 | somiaj: kiss my ass |
| 02:02.12 | somiaj | domovoy: no. Jessie gets security and bug fixes. They are bug fixes for jessie. Fixes that are not considered 'security issues' come in only during point releases. All that repo is, is a place to store them while waiting for a point release |
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| 02:02.59 | somiaj | domovoy: once the next point release happens, that package will be in jessie. |
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| 02:03.17 | domovoy | somiaj> ok, so there is no harm in adding them to my sources.list, right? |
| 02:03.28 | domovoy | no harm _at all_? |
| 02:03.30 | locrian9 | Does anyone know if Debian Wheezy or Debian Jessie come with 'systemd' or 'SysV'? |
| 02:03.31 | somiaj | domovoy: not at all, you will eventually get that package one day. |
| 02:03.45 | domovoy | great, will try that then |
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| 02:03.57 | somiaj | locrian9: wheezy defaults with sysvinit, and you can install a version of systemd as a technology preview (though wheezy's systemd is quite old) |
| 02:04.12 | somiaj | locrian9: jessie defaults to systemd, but there are ways to use sysvinit as your init system on jessie. |
| 02:06.05 | mizerian | is minix catching up? |
| 02:06.10 | locrian9 | somiaj: Thanks, that helps me in my decision. I'm setting up a NAS 'Openmediavault' and wanted to startup script 'OpenSSH Server' on my Debian Wheezy. So I guess I'll stick to the 'SysV' that's already on the system. |
| 02:06.46 | somiaj | locrian9: if setting up a new system, I really suggest using jessie if at all possible. wheezy only has limited support for another year or two. |
| 02:06.49 | somiaj | !wheezy-lts |
| 02:06.49 | dpkg | Security support for Debian 7 "Wheezy" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2016-04-25. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures receive additional long term support (LTS) via <wheezy/updates> until 2018-05-31. See http://deb.li/2aC for excluded packages. No changes to /etc/apt/sources.list are needed for wheezy-lts. |
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| 02:10.04 | domovoy | somiaj> for info: the update of ca-certificate from proposed-updates doesn't fix my problem |
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| 02:10.23 | domovoy | so i guess i'll just install it manually |
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| 02:11.38 | somiaj | domovoy: I didn't think so, I just noticed the update so thought it was worht checking. |
| 02:12.34 | domovoy | somiaj> yep, i agree, i usually prefer to handle things using official packages than messing with hand-made stuff |
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| 02:18.47 | domovoy | now, one last, not very important question: is it better to add startssl root.crt to ca-certificates, or make only roundcube use it via its config? |
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| 02:39.31 | paludo | I'm stuck with an upgrade. The package tzdata doesn't configures correctly. Anyone has an idea? |
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| 02:43.02 | Abbott | So letsencrypt changed its package name to certbot, and I'm trying to remove letsencrypt and install certbot. I removed letsencrypt and autoremoved the dependencies, but certbot wouldn't install, and I found out it's because I manually installed python-setuptools - http://pastebin.com/raw/5jpUUir8 |
| 02:43.44 | Abbott | I don't remember doing this, but it was probably because I couldnt install it from a backport. If I remove it, will I be able to apt-get install certbot after that and the dependencies will be handled automatically? |
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| 02:46.31 | locrian9 | somiaj: Have you thought of a good NAS solution? I'm trying to build one for my home. I've got the HP Micro Server (250GB SSD for Host OS), and 4 X 2TB HDDs for RAID5. OpenMediaVault looks like a good NAS manager. I was trying to find a way to build a good host OS, and then install a software NAS manager on top of it. Found that you can do this with Openmediavault (version: Stoneburner) on top of Deb |
| 02:46.37 | locrian9 | ian 7 Wheezy. I tried to install this Openmediavault (version: Stoneburner) on top of Debian 8.6.0 Jessie, but I couldn't initialize Openmediavault. Anyways, I was just looking for some second opinions on what would be a good software NAS manager that sits on top of a host OS. |
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| 02:52.27 | somiaj | locrian9: I'm mostly a desktop/workstation user. I don't have any experience building a NAS myself. I just know debian well enough to suggest you should be building on jessie not wheezy if creatign something new |
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| 03:10.43 | Abbott | nm I got it. I just had to specify explicity to install python-setuptools from the backport source |
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| 03:19.25 | Sophiag | Hi. Please bear with me...I'm on mobile... My CentOS box wouldn't boot beyond level one and I needed to wipe it and upgrade anyway do decided to switch to Jessie (Amd64). Downloaded everything fine, but am having some trouble figuring out how to format the Grub1 menu.lst after reading the install manual. I get "Error 11: Unrecognized device string." Any help? |
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| 03:20.58 | Sophiag | I'm following the instructions here, but they seem rather odd: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch05s01.html.en#graphical |
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| 03:33.41 | somiaj | Sophiag: you shouldn't have to formate the grub menu, it is generated automatically. Also jessie is using grub2 |
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| 03:34.34 | Avasz | my debian server was compromised yesterday and was being used for bitcoin minint. I have traced and purged all those automated scripts. but right now one problem still persists. i can't start, stop, restart any services at all. it just time outs. any help would be highly appreciated. |
| 03:35.05 | nkuttler | Avasz: you should reinstall. who knows which backdoors were installed |
| 03:35.20 | Spec | yes, wipe/reformat/reinstall/restore from known good backup |
| 03:35.23 | somiaj | Avasz: if a system has been compermised, there could be any number of backdoors hiding in your system. The only way to be completely safe is to reinstall from scratch and restore from a backup you know is not tanted. |
| 03:36.13 | Avasz | yes. planning to do it. |
| 03:36.40 | Avasz | but would be helpful if I can get some services to restart for now. |
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| 03:38.54 | Sophiag | somiaj: I do... I'm installing from disk. Just realized the problem was a space before the partition so am finally at the boot menu. But it can't find the iso image I placed at the top level dir as directed instead of in /dev. Not sure why I can't locate it manually |
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| 03:45.20 | Sophiag | Not sure why when I tell it to do a full search it returns immediately either |
| 03:45.46 | Sophiag | Was I wrong to place the iso at top level? |
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| 03:47.47 | somiaj | Sophiag: What .iso/installer are you suing? |
| 03:48.00 | somiaj | Sophiag: what sort of install mediums are you wanting to create |
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| 03:48.39 | Sophiag | The first disc here: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.6.0/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 03:48.56 | somiaj | Sophiag: what sort of install medium are you trying to use? Do you have a usb thubmdrive handy you can install from? |
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| 03:49.23 | Sophiag | I'm installing from local disk as stated twice previously |
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| 03:49.50 | dvs | Sophiag, onto the same disk? |
| 03:49.56 | Sophiag | Yes |
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| 03:50.21 | Sophiag | The manual says that's fine |
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| 03:54.59 | Dagger | Sophiag: do you mean section 5.1.5? it's probably better to use the vmlinuz/initrd.gz files rather than the iso for that |
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| 03:55.12 | Sophiag | I am.... |
| 03:55.27 | Sophiag | You need both |
| 03:55.51 | Sophiag | Once you're at the boot menu you need to select |
| 03:56.03 | Sophiag | an iso image |
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| 03:56.39 | Dagger | the lilo/grub1/grub2 instructions use only vmlinuz and initrd.gz |
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| 03:56.51 | Dagger | and that's enough, the installer can download everything else it needs |
| 03:57.16 | Sophiag | Ok, well I followed those instructions and the boot menu is now looking for an iso image |
| 03:57.19 | Sophiag | That's what |
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| 03:57.29 | Sophiag | happens |
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| 03:57.56 | Sophiag | And I already downloaded the iso... As stated |
| 03:58.35 | Sophiag | There's nowhere in the installer menu where it downloads an iso |
| 03:58.46 | Sophiag | I'm looking at it right now |
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| 04:01.41 | n4dir | in the same time this chat in IRC took, debian would have been installed via USB or CD such. And configured |
| 04:02.17 | Dagger | Sophiag: it shouldn't even need to download the ISO, it should just download the exact packages it needs |
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| 04:02.44 | Sophiag | Should I file an issue that the manual is incorrect about installation in several ways rhen |
| 04:02.53 | Sophiag | *then? |
| 04:03.18 | Sophiag | Just want to be clear because what I'm being told here contradicts it |
| 04:03.19 | Dagger | Sophiag: ok, so for what it's worth: I install Debian by netbooting the linux and initrd.gz files from here: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/debian-installer/amd64/ |
| 04:03.41 | Dagger | you could maybe try with those. it's possible they're different to the ones you're using |
| 04:03.55 | Sophiag | And where in the boot menu does it have a netboot option? |
| 04:04.07 | Dagger | (they should boot from grub just fine using the syntax in the manual, no need to netboot them) |
| 04:04.48 | Sophiag | What are "they?" |
| 04:05.19 | Sophiag | The syntax in the manual is to get you to a boot menu in order to load an iso image |
| 04:05.19 | Dagger | kernel: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/debian-installer/amd64/linux |
| 04:05.22 | Dagger | initrd: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/debian-installer/amd64/initrd.gz |
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| 04:05.49 | Sophiag | Ok...you still need an iso image |
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| 04:06.17 | Dagger | no, you don't |
| 04:06.29 | Dagger | that initrd contains enough stuff to download everything else |
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| 04:06.37 | Sophiag | So the boot menu is incorrect? |
| 04:06.43 | Dagger | (hm, it may require ethernet though -- I don't know if wifi will work) |
| 04:06.52 | Dagger | I don't know what boot menu you're referring to |
| 04:07.03 | Sophiag | The one in the manual.... |
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| 04:08.06 | Sophiag | Have you read this? https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch05s01.html.en |
| 04:08.16 | Sophiag | Please read before replying |
| 04:08.47 | stoned | Hello, I need to write a book and publish it but I can't figure out what kind of software to use to write it with, I need to put in images, and I don't really want to bother with formatting in code, but gui stuff is better |
| 04:09.19 | Sophiag | "The installer can then boot from the drive and install from the CD/DVD image, without needing the network." |
| 04:09.40 | Sophiag | Does that sound like "no image needed |
| 04:09.42 | stoned | I've got my ToC and I know what all I need to write about. I just need to get started on something and be able to share PDF versions of the chaptrs as I write them and have others review them |
| 04:09.43 | Sophiag | ? |
| 04:10.22 | stoned | right now I use kate in kde and use txt files to save them :D |
| 04:10.37 | Dagger | Sophiag: I've installed Debian from the kernel and initrd I linked, without downloading anything else onto the system beforehand |
| 04:10.48 | stoned | yes, th epoorman install |
| 04:11.00 | stoned | That's one of the reasons I use Debian |
| 04:11.11 | Dagger | Sophiag: I literally gave those two URLs to iPXE and it downloaded and executed them for me, and I ended up with a working Debian system. starting from a blank drive |
| 04:11.22 | Dagger | so definitely yes, no ISO needed |
| 04:11.24 | Sophiag | Yeah...you downloaded it *after.* they have a whole section on that |
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| 04:11.29 | stoned | You don't even need pxe for this. |
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| 04:11.39 | Sophiag | No...you did download the iso |
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| 04:11.40 | stoned | It will fetch the debian installer from the internet |
| 04:11.42 | Sophiag | Lol |
| 04:11.44 | Sophiag | Woe |
| 04:11.52 | Dagger | I never downloaded the ISO, and neither did the installer -- it fetched individual .debs from the mirrors |
| 04:12.46 | somiaj | stoned: I prefered latex (texlive in debian) |
| 04:12.51 | Dagger | I expect it's _possible_ to use a local ISO to avoid needing network access, but neither of us know how to do that, so... |
| 04:13.23 | somiaj | stoned: but libreoffice is a standard office like clone that gives you a gui to write in. There are some gui's for latex (lyx I think) but I don't use them myself. |
| 04:13.32 | stoned | Hm |
| 04:13.48 | stoned | Is it worth it to learn this TeX system just for formatting a book? |
| 04:14.03 | somiaj | tex is a typesetting program that was designed for plublication |
| 04:14.13 | stoned | Oh really |
| 04:14.21 | somiaj | used a lot in math/science, not sure how much it is used outside of that |
| 04:15.02 | Epakai | i used LaTeX for homework. there's a lot to learn to it. there are some gui tools like lyx |
| 04:15.28 | nkuttler | stoned: you really want to use LaTeX |
| 04:15.53 | stoned | Ok nkuttler I will try this |
| 04:16.08 | nkuttler | and yeah, it's great for typesetting books. i've done a dictionary with several hundred pages, piece of cake |
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| 04:17.03 | stoned | Interesting |
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| 04:17.45 | stoned | https://www.latex-tutorial.com/tutorials/beginners/how-to-use-latex/ |
| 04:17.46 | stoned | Alright |
| 04:17.48 | somiaj | stoned: it is worth learning and if you can get a template to start with, writing isn't to difficult |
| 04:17.52 | stoned | Time to get stoned more and figure this out |
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| 04:19.36 | Epakai | stoned: http://tug.ctan.org/tex-archive/info/lshort/english/ is a nice overview, even has source so you can see how the document is built |
| 04:19.42 | stoned | I'm guessing there also exist latex generators etc.? |
| 04:19.48 | stoned | so one doesn't have to manually do markup? |
| 04:19.57 | stoned | Ok |
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| 04:23.25 | Epakai | stoned: there's lyx, texmaker, texstudio. some graphics tools can export tex files which may or may not be useful (dia and inkscape i know of) |
| 04:24.06 | stoned | I'll also need to include molecule diagrams etc. |
| 04:24.29 | stoned | I was not sure how to generate certain molecular strucutre pictures in 3d |
| 04:24.36 | stoned | do you know how to do this? |
| 04:24.53 | stoned | For example you give a formula, and it generates the visual molecule structure |
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| 04:27.20 | Dagger | Sophiag: if you were will here I'd point out that no, I don't get a boot menu when booting the netboot kernel/initrd (which actually makes perfect sense because the boot menu is part of the ISO which I'm completely skipping) |
| 04:27.26 | Dagger | but I do get a working installer |
| 04:27.37 | Dagger | s/will/still/ |
| 04:28.05 | stoned | Internet lagged out, I didn't see anything after I asked how to generate molecule 3d shape from a formula |
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| 04:28.45 | Epakai | there are all kinds of LaTeX packages to do special formatting/drawing http://www.mychemistry.eu/known-packages/ might be of interest. probably not for 3d though. you'd probably have to make the image with something else and include it |
| 04:28.57 | stoned | http://beebom.com/best-latex-editors/ I found this page |
| 04:29.26 | stoned | ok |
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| 04:45.29 | awal1 | Just out of curiosity: since a few days I noticed that sound is lower than usual in all youtube videos. I dont think it's my debian system since playing local audio/video files I sound is normal. Anyone experiments tsame "issue"? |
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| 04:46.51 | awal1 | It just happens with html5 multimedia content (youtube); not in other websites with adobe flash format (via chromium+pepperflash). So it may be html5 issue or youtube one |
| 04:48.53 | awal1 | It took me several time for find out that issue is only present in youtube; my bad i killed pulse several times and unplugged/plugged my audio stuff several times too :P |
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| 04:58.06 | jair | hello all, I was wondering if is possible to run the command telnet (permanently) like the ping command... for example if the connection times out we know is not good, but then make it try telneting again until we get connection refused or connect successfully |
| 04:58.17 | jair | this is more for testing and troubleshooting purposes |
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| 05:01.43 | mrrhq | jair: I suppose you could use ping on a specific port. At least I know that nping can do this. |
| 05:02.16 | mrrhq | I think telnet's port is typically 23. |
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| 05:16.05 | mugatu--- | anyone else getting NET::ERR_CERTIFICATE_TRANSPARENCY_REQUIRED with chrome now? |
| 05:16.07 | mugatu--- | debian jessie |
| 05:22.37 | Avasz | exit |
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| 05:48.55 | somiaj | mugatu---: have you updated to the newest security update with chromium (or google-chrome) |
| 05:49.58 | mugatu--- | i just ran apt-get update and apt-get upgrade |
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| 05:50.07 | mugatu--- | this is occuring when i visit amazon.com |
| 05:50.42 | nkuttler | mugatu---: it's a know bug with old chromium releases |
| 05:50.48 | nkuttler | you need the latest package |
| 05:51.10 | nkuttler | ,v chromium |
| 05:51.15 | somiaj | mugatu---: are you using google-chrome or chromium, can you give us the output of apt-cache policy chromium (or google-chrome or whatever the name of your package is) |
| 05:51.17 | judd | Package: chromium on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie: 53.0.2785.89-1~deb8u1; stretch: 53.0.2785.143-1; jessie-proposed-updates: 55.0.2883.75-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 55.0.2883.75-1~deb8u1; sid: 55.0.2883.75-2 |
| 05:51.22 | somiaj | mugatu---: please use paste.debian.net |
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| 05:51.34 | nkuttler | that would be the one from jessie security |
| 05:53.17 | mugatu--- | chromium: Installed: 55.0.2883.75-1~deb8u1 Candidate: 55.0.2883.75-1~deb8u1 Version table: *** 55.0.2883.75-1~deb8u1 0 500 http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates/main amd64 Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status 53.0.2785.89-1~deb8u1 0 500 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ jessie/main amd64 Packages |
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| 05:53.50 | nkuttler | mugatu---: did you restart chromium? |
| 05:54.07 | mugatu--- | amazonayes |
| 05:54.09 | mugatu--- | err yes |
| 05:54.18 | mugatu--- | Your connection is not private Attackers might be trying to steal your information from www.amazon.com (for example, passwords, messages, or credit cards). NET::ERR_CERTIFICATE_TRANSPARENCY_REQUIRED |
| 05:54.48 | somiaj | mugatu---: and you are using chromium (not chrome?) |
| 05:55.06 | mugatu--- | seems like the package is chromium |
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| 05:57.22 | mugatu--- | E: Unable to locate package google-chrome |
| 05:57.34 | mugatu--- | is that the package on googles website? |
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| 05:58.52 | awal1 | how one can use , download ....x pkg and not know the name or origin? :P |
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| 06:06.32 | mugatu--- | i installed google-chrome via dpkg (package: google-chrome-stable_current_amd64.deb) |
| 06:06.39 | mugatu--- | how do i maintain updates? |
| 06:06.49 | mugatu--- | it has no repo |
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| 06:11.02 | c-c | mugatu---: it does have a repo |
| 06:11.38 | c-c | https://wiki.debian.org/UnofficialRepositories |
| 06:13.17 | mugatu--- | thanks! |
| 06:13.28 | somiaj | the package should have installed teh repo in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 06:13.42 | somiaj | the problem is if you have multi-arch enabled you need to fix the setting because there is only a 64bit version |
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| 06:16.11 | c-c | I just chromium |
| 06:17.22 | somiaj | I use both, but chrome is only for widevine for netflix |
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| 07:37.36 | buu | Hey I'm getting super slow read performance from a zfs array and I'm trying to find some debugging info |
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| 07:54.31 | _abc_ | Good morning. Can someone please say if/which debian live _hybrid_ installer image has 32 and 64 bit kernels (both), if any? |
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| 07:55.44 | mrrhq | Interesting to know that people are running ZFS on Debian. |
| 07:56.10 | eipi10 | I get 'start-stop-daemon: pid... must be greater than 0' when installing wdm and only wdm. Can anyone help? |
| 07:56.17 | somiaj | _abc_: there is no live image that has both that I know of, but the link on the main page debian.org is an installer that supports both i386 and amd64 |
| 07:56.20 | mrrhq | _abc_: I believe 32-bit and 64-bit are seperate, |
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| 07:56.49 | somiaj | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.6.0/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-8.6.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso |
| 07:56.49 | _abc_ | I also know they are separate but as somiaj said there IS a dual image. Just not a live one, but an installer |
| 07:56.50 | mrrhq | Though if you choose the 64-bit version, you at least have the choice of multilib support. |
| 07:57.23 | _abc_ | Yes. But I don't know if it installs properly. |
| 07:57.25 | somiaj | mrrhq: you actually have mutlilib support from 32bit too, just use a 64bit kernel with 32bit userland (debian provides kernels for this) then enable multiarch |
| 07:57.28 | mrrhq | I'm so glad we don't have to deal with BE and LE on x86. |
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| 07:57.51 | _abc_ | This is to test several machines for suitability in a shop so it has to be one stick and as automatic as possible, booting into live desktop. Install will occur later |
| 07:57.59 | somiaj | really you can mix any arches in debian, you just best have a kernel that can run the resulting binaries. |
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| 07:58.30 | _abc_ | Has anyone made a dual image iso? Is there a howto/etc in a forum perhaps? |
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| 07:58.37 | somiaj | _abc_: the netinstall is a very limted system. A 32bit live image can at least test both. |
| 07:59.03 | somiaj | _abc_: I haven't made one, there are some guides for even more than 2. Debian .iso are a little bit tricky because they are all hybrid to get to work in a multi iso setup |
| 07:59.10 | mrrhq | somiaj: Sounds pretty cool, but I think most people nowadays would benefit from using 64-bit, unless you know your CPU is 32-bit only. |
| 07:59.16 | _abc_ | somiaj: How? Assume it needs to boot only on 64 for now, but it has to be hybrid, repartitioned on a stick, to put in net and ether drivers which are specific to the weird things I need to test. |
| 07:59.32 | mrrhq | PAE can handle the extra RAM in 32-bit, but you won't get the performance boost of 64-bit. |
| 07:59.34 | _abc_ | mrrhq: batting very small palmtop toys everything is 64 bit now |
| 07:59.36 | somiaj | mrrhq: there are actually uses where 64bit is not as good as 32bit for certain things (Even if the cpu supports both) |
| 07:59.46 | _abc_ | mrrhq: basically it has to be an Atom to be 32 bit |
| 08:00.00 | _abc_ | And I am not sure even those are all 32, some can be 64 |
| 08:00.02 | mrrhq | Or a dual-core or less without 64-bit. |
| 08:00.32 | _abc_ | There are simply no 32 bit laptop of other cpus made anymore, only for embedded/very small platforms |
| 08:00.47 | mrrhq | Do you mean ARM? A lot of those are 32-bit. |
| 08:00.48 | _abc_ | You have to go back 10 years to find 32 bits on low end laptops. |
| 08:00.57 | _abc_ | mrrhq: I mean all the time x86 |
| 08:01.10 | Iota | Good morning, world! |
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| 08:01.29 | mrrhq | I used to own netbooks. Now we just got tablets with keyboards. |
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| 08:01.48 | mrrhq | I miss being able to replace batteries and take apart small computers easily. |
| 08:01.51 | _abc_ | Speaking of, are the cheap cheap $10 bt keyboards for tablets okay? |
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| 08:02.05 | _abc_ | "easily" is relative |
| 08:02.39 | mrrhq | In terms of the attachable keyboards, I'd get the ones with the charging ports AND Bluetooth. When gaming, there's a bit of latency over anything wireless. |
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| 08:03.08 | mrrhq | If it's wireless you could also use it seperately somewhere else. Multiple use! |
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| 08:04.01 | mrrhq | I can't recommend a tablet at the moment though. The sucky thing is, a lot of them aren't made to run Debian, only Android or Windows. |
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| 08:04.58 | _abc_ | I am not into gaming. How bad is latency? |
| 08:05.11 | mrrhq | I've heard of people installing Linux on the Surface Pro, which is nice to hear, I suppose. |
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| 08:06.12 | mrrhq | _abc_: Over bluetooth it's not bad, maybe 50 ~ 200ms latency over Bluetooth low-energy. |
| 08:06.22 | mrrhq | The higher the compatible BT versions, the better though. |
| 08:06.46 | mrrhq | So many problems with BT 2.0, etc... |
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| 08:07.24 | mrrhq | I've never had many disconnects with BT 4.0 / 4.1. |
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| 08:15.15 | _abc_ | intel hd graphics 405 work well with debian? Is there a free accel driver for debian? |
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| 08:16.24 | mrrhq | All Intel graphics work great under Linux. The drivers/firmware are in the kernel. |
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| 08:16.41 | mrrhq | Just the microcode updates are seperate and non-free, but you don't really need them. |
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| 08:19.13 | _abc_ | Yes I know they all work great, but some work more great than others. Specifically, suspend freezes some of them. |
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| 08:20.00 | _abc_ | Is suspend usually enabled in a debian live booted usb stick? |
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| 08:20.22 | mrrhq | There's some troubleshooting and info about it here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Intel_graphics |
| 08:20.26 | xinming | Anyone here knows how to disable all vga on boot? I'm trying to passthough the only gpu to qemu. And need to disable the "boot_vga" itself so I can do something further |
| 08:20.55 | _abc_ | xinming: I doubt that is your problem. Try nomodeset kernel parameter |
| 08:21.11 | mrrhq | But if you can, go with Intel Iris if you must use integrated graphics, because they work a lot better. |
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| 08:21.30 | _abc_ | xinming: also see kernel parameter list with vga= ... |
| 08:21.35 | xinming | _abc_: I do have it, But it still have boot_vga set to 1 in /sys/device/pci.../ |
| 08:21.37 | mrrhq | The Kaby Lake Intel HD graphics should also work great. |
| 08:21.39 | xinming | _abc_: Ok, i'll check it |
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| 08:22.10 | _abc_ | What is Iris? How do I id a chipset for iris? Using ark.intel.com? |
| 08:22.57 | mrrhq | Intel Iris is like Intel HD, except with a seperate GPU cache, and higher video memory. |
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| 08:23.19 | _abc_ | I would prefer simple vesa ;) |
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| 08:24.12 | _abc_ | I would prefer "Iris" to be called Intel HD Graphics 5500 or such |
| 08:24.17 | mrrhq | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_HD_and_Iris_Graphics#Kaby_Lake -- Looks like Intel HD 620 is the best Kaby Lake can offer right now, though. |
| 08:24.32 | mrrhq | It's a sperate technology, so it's a seperate thing. |
| 08:24.42 | mrrhq | *seperate |
| 08:25.02 | mrrhq | As you can see, the Iris has eDRAM. |
| 08:25.17 | _abc_ | Also I think I need VGA output too, this has no VGA output. |
| 08:25.53 | mrrhq | Funny. Do you have a MB without VGA? |
| 08:26.02 | _abc_ | This is all laptop |
| 08:26.24 | _abc_ | Hmm the other cpu also does not have it |
| 08:26.57 | _abc_ | What's the deal with Lenovo officially dropping the option to set the battery max charge level in bios? |
| 08:27.03 | _abc_ | Dell seems to have it |
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| 08:27.14 | mrrhq | You might have to configure your BIOS to make sure you're able to output over your external video connection. |
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| 08:27.32 | mrrhq | And then set up arandr or xrandr to output to it from the terminal. |
| 08:27.54 | mrrhq | Some distros, and GNOME/KDE might do it for you, for example. |
| 08:27.59 | _abc_ | Yes that is a later stage. Right now I need to know what it can do so it has the capability. |
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| 08:28.33 | mrrhq | All Intel graphics should work with Linux out of the box, no problem. |
| 08:28.45 | mrrhq | You'll at least get basic framebuffer/vga support. |
| 08:29.01 | _abc_ | SHOULD is a keyword here. DO WORK would be nicer to hear, especially after I tested a few recently, and some do not play nice with Suspend. |
| 08:29.05 | _abc_ | brb |
| 08:29.29 | mrrhq | I wish I could guarantee things, but I'm not a company, just one dude. :^) |
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| 08:31.39 | mrrhq | There's a reason why open-source software licences/warranties say "as-is" when you use it. There's no guarantees. I don't want to deter anyone from using Linux though. |
| 08:32.12 | mrrhq | The risks are usually minor after you do your research. |
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| 08:41.43 | _abc_ | . |
| 08:41.59 | _abc_ | I know about licenses, I'm interested in what works. Much more important. |
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| 08:44.08 | _abc_ | https://www.debian.org/CD/live/ sems to say the *64 image is common for amd64 and x86_64. I think this is not so? Correct me if I am wrong, please? Same image for amd and x86_64 or not? |
| 08:44.33 | Epakai | they are the same |
| 08:45.46 | bezaban | what you don't want is ia64 |
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| 08:47.50 | mrrhq | I don't know why they call it amd64, but it is exactly the same as x86_64 (it will run on Intel and AMD.) |
| 08:48.47 | mrrhq | IA32 can be both 32-bit and 64-bit, right? |
| 08:49.38 | mrrhq | Yeah, it's just the instructon set that they use is different. |
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| 08:49.52 | _abc_ | is 8.6.0 systemd based or not? |
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| 08:49.58 | _abc_ | live default |
| 08:50.02 | mrrhq | Yep. |
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| 08:50.43 | _abc_ | mrrhq: amd64 has VERY different cpu extended instructions and setup from x86_64 |
| 08:50.57 | jelly | _abc_: not really |
| 08:51.01 | _abc_ | Among others, for patent reasons. |
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| 08:51.17 | _abc_ | They are made different enough to scare the lawyers. |
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| 08:51.49 | mrrhq | Did they use "amd64" just because the underscore character was a problem? |
| 08:51.57 | mrrhq | Be honest here... :^) |
| 08:52.12 | _abc_ | I don't think that particular part is patented by either side. For everything else, all bets are off |
| 08:52.13 | jelly | mrrhq: amd made the 64bit extensions for x86 first |
| 08:52.26 | jelly | intel licensed it |
| 08:52.29 | _abc_ | ^ |
| 08:52.40 | _abc_ | But at the time they were still frenemies. |
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| 08:52.52 | _abc_ | Now the fre part is no longer present |
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| 08:53.38 | mrrhq | Sure... Though I do like the kernel that says i686, making sure to let you know, you can't run this on an i486 or i386 only hardware. Bastards. :p |
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| 08:54.44 | _abc_ | I've devised a way to test if the graphics drivers support Suspend well, a sore point with several machines. Walk up to the laptops in a shop on display, analyze, close lid, wait. See that they did not disable Suspend in menus by leds winking and going ... |
| 08:54.48 | _abc_ | ... off/slow blinking. Open lid. Screen must come back on (even if demo locked), and mouse ptr must be visible and moving. This is for demo laptops running linux already, which is frequently the case here. |
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| 08:55.43 | _abc_ | Made use of it recently, half the laptops go to etenal sleep on wakeup, need reboot. |
| 08:55.50 | _abc_ | Lenovo with mint on them especially. |
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| 08:57.39 | ToHellWithGA | i have a bcm4331 wifi chipset and it frequently disconnects. should i be using the b43 or the b43legacy module? |
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| 09:07.05 | ToHellWithGA | larjona: thanks, but that site is hell for vague |
| 09:07.21 | ToHellWithGA | "the relevant driver has built-in logic to probe the actual chip" |
| 09:07.29 | ToHellWithGA | with no direction on how to do such a thing |
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| 09:08.58 | larjona | https://wiki.debian.org/HowToIdentifyADevice/PCI#pci-id |
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| 09:10.05 | larjona | in the commandline: "lspci -nn | grep Network" does identify the device for me; then, with that info, you see in "supported devices" of each driver if yours is there |
| 09:10.19 | ToHellWithGA | 14e4:4331 |
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| 09:10.37 | ToHellWithGA | i think i'll try broadcom-sta-dkms |
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| 09:16.58 | StoBrendo | hi there. I screwed my entire filesystem file's permissions (i was wondering what could go wrong by having it all in the same partition... , now i know). And i get lot of warnings when using things such as sudo. Is there an easy way to restore all files permissions for the entire filesystem on debian jessie 8.6? |
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| 09:20.45 | buu | StoBrendo: what exactly did you set the permissions to and what are the warnings? |
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| 09:21.45 | buu | As far as I know there's no trivial 'revert all permission changes' but almost every file on debian comes from a debian package which includes a permission setting for the file |
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| 09:24.15 | buu | or you could just save your /home dir and reinstall |
| 09:24.19 | StoBrendo | if i reinstall the entire system with apt would that work? If yes, what command should i use? |
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| 09:24.47 | buu | I don't think that would work very well |
| 09:24.58 | StoBrendo | ok |
| 09:24.59 | buu | At least, I wouldn't try it as more than a pure experiment |
| 09:25.06 | jelly | and you don't have backups? |
| 09:26.06 | StoBrendo | debian could be installed in less than 5 minutes. What would you ever want to backup it? I just save my /home/$USER on a USB stick , and thats all the backup i usually need |
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| 09:26.30 | buu | sounds like a problem easily solved then |
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| 09:28.04 | StoBrendo | sounds like a problem? |
| 09:28.10 | StoBrendo | why? |
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| 09:28.21 | StoBrendo | it sound as a curiousity to me, just that |
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| 09:30.33 | jelly | StoBrendo: oka,y so install it in 5 minutes |
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| 09:37.49 | _abc_ | Does anyone know if hwinfo or a similar program is on the current debian live hybrid? Or in what package it resides? |
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| 09:43.13 | _abc_ | ? |
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| 10:08.40 | mrrhq | I don't know, but you could install it in the live environment. |
| 10:08.57 | mrrhq | Or take the time to learn how to make a custom Debian Live CD. |
| 10:09.02 | mrrhq | It's possible. |
| 10:09.35 | ghormoon | hi, any idea for tool that can do performance test on a website including loading all the javascript, images etc, report connect time, time to first byte and whole load time? I've found out even if I were to write that, I'm not able to load the images etc. with curl or I'm not able to report ttfb with wget :( |
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| 10:16.37 | saberu | hey guys. my apt-get repos dont have libssl-dev? |
| 10:16.53 | saberu | or libssl |
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| 10:24.37 | jelly | saberu: which debian release are you using? |
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| 10:25.04 | saberu | the latest one I think, it's the latest Kali flavoured Debian :) |
| 10:25.33 | jelly | !kali |
| 10:25.33 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
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| 10:26.40 | saberu | but the kernel is still Debian, may aswell be the same thing |
| 10:26.41 | jelly | saberu: they use separate repos, we don't know what additional steps you may have to take or if something is broken or not |
| 10:26.55 | saberu | ok |
| 10:27.06 | jelly | saberu: if it's the same thing, please install actual debian and try to reproduce the issue |
| 10:27.26 | saberu | it's a bit worrying because this is the latest version default installation and they don't even care to fix the repos or include something as vital as libssl-dev package |
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| 10:27.53 | saberu | aw yeh i guess i could try |
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| 10:28.04 | saberu | i might just get the source code from the internets |
| 10:28.07 | saberu | and compile manually |
| 10:28.24 | jelly | or you might try asking in the right place |
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| 10:30.01 | saberu | i always get the feeling that Linux developers and enthusiasts enjoy leaving things broken. So that Linux doesn't go to mainstream haha. I'm sure that's not the case, but would be funny wouldn't it |
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| 10:31.47 | Stummi | saberu, well, just use well established distris like debian instead of niche ones and you won't run into such problems that much |
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| 10:32.08 | Stummi | the more community you have the better supported it is |
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| 10:33.56 | saberu | yeh you are right. even worse I choose the 64bit version which no doubt is more buggy |
| 10:34.13 | saberu | they probably haven't even bothered building the binaries for 64bit ! |
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| 10:34.25 | saberu | or having the sources availbale |
| 10:34.27 | saberu | i meant |
| 10:34.32 | saberu | in the repos |
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| 10:44.59 | _abc_ | I saw that currently only some Dell laptops have the feature to set max battery charge in bios, this prolongs life. Lenovo dropped the feature, it existed in some Thinkpads. Apparently patent wars. Does any Debian version support tools to set charge ... |
| 10:45.03 | _abc_ | ... level from userland/gui/cli? |
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| 10:55.05 | brontosaurusrex | I have: compton -cCG --backend glx --paint-on-overlay -o 0.5 -r 30 -l -9 -t -9 < is there a trick to make compton.conf out of this? |
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| 10:57.40 | teraflops | ,v compton |
| 10:57.41 | judd | Package: compton on amd64 -- jessie: 0.1~beta2-1; sid: 0.1~beta2+20150922-1; stretch: 0.1~beta2+20150922-1 |
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| 10:59.01 | _abc_ | Is there a help page on channel bots and helpers? To be perused in a pm query? |
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| 10:59.53 | brontosaurusrex | teraflops, ? |
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| 11:01.27 | teraflops | brontosaurusrex: huh? |
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| 11:02.15 | brontosaurusrex | teraflops, nothing, i though for a second that ,v was for me. |
| 11:02.21 | babilen | _abc_: http://ircbots.debian.net/judd/ + https://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot |
| 11:02.31 | brontosaurusrex | ,v ed |
| 11:02.32 | judd | Package: ed on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.6-2; jessie: 1.10-2; stretch: 1.10-2.1; sid: 1.10-2.1 |
| 11:02.45 | teraflops | brontosaurusrex: ah no sorry I was curious about the versions |
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| 11:38.42 | bazhang | which command |
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| 11:54.11 | MisMis_one | Hi everyone! |
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| 11:55.20 | MisMis_one | I'm on sid, having trouble with kodi, vivaldi, FlightGear freezing after start since a few days |
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| 11:59.14 | MisMis_one | backtraces show poll() called from libxcb somehow hanging |
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| 12:15.24 | teraflops | it's sid so expect breakage. perhaps #kodi is a good place for asking too |
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| 12:16.53 | john_rambo | i am using 3g internet connection ....download upload is very limited.how do u think i should install the updates? |
| 12:16.58 | Zharf | hasn't had sid break in like 10 years |
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| 12:18.08 | teraflops | Zharf: that does not mean anything |
| 12:18.36 | Zharf | it means that people who experience breakages are doing it wrong ;) |
| 12:19.01 | teraflops | Zharf: ok |
| 12:20.18 | c-c | Zharf: are you careful about what and how you do things? |
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| 12:23.00 | teraflops | c-c: nah he is not saying the truth. because in 10 years I'm pretty sure many things broke on sid no matter if you can live with that' fix it or wait for updates anyway what he says is not true |
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| 12:30.15 | DexterF | hi |
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| 12:33.32 | DexterF | deb8->lightdm (autologin)->openbox-> ~/.config/openbox/autostart runs a script ~/bin/chromium.sh which in turn runs "chromium $FOOURL". where do I set FOOURL for all users/scripts/shells/login shells to be visible? |
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| 12:49.54 | stoned | DexterF: sounds like an env variable, probably /etc/profile or /etc/environment ? or bash proflle |
| 12:49.56 | stoned | bash profile |
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| 12:56.25 | stoned | https://wiki.debian.org/Latex I'm awake, working on TeX learning for the book |
| 12:56.52 | paludo` | Is there someone here to help me with a broken tzdata? |
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| 12:58.59 | jelly | !ask |
| 12:59.00 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 12:59.57 | stoned | Interesting, Texstudio doesn't depend on texlive? |
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| 13:03.08 | stoned | Gitlab has free private repositories, didn't know if anyone knew tht. I don't have to run my own git server now |
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| 13:07.18 | stoned | A bit confused |
| 13:07.35 | blackflow | Hello. Can anyone tell me please how do I reboot Jessie? Running "shutdown -r now", or "reboot" or "systemctl reboot" fails like this: https://dpaste.de/V6fk |
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| 13:07.42 | stoned | I did file, start new from template, chose the book template in texstudio, then picked a directory |
| 13:07.56 | stoned | Now the same texstudio window is there, blank, no documents for me to type in text |
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| 13:08.03 | stoned | *scratches head* wonder how this works. |
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| 13:08.40 | c-c | blackflow: can you do upgrade and update first |
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| 13:09.11 | jelly | blackflow: you're in booted in rescue mode? |
| 13:09.12 | abrotman | blackflow: do you want to force it? |
| 13:09.28 | blackflow | jelly: ignore the hostname. |
| 13:09.39 | blackflow | abrotman: yes, I want to restart the damn machine without having to walk there and press the button.... |
| 13:09.41 | abrotman | blackflow: "reboot -d -f" maybe, cross your fingers, good luck |
| 13:10.02 | abrotman | you might want to man reboot to understand what that is about to do |
| 13:10.19 | c-c | poweroff works great too! |
| 13:10.21 | jelly | blackflow: let me rephrase, then, how did you install it? Is this a chroot? |
| 13:10.48 | c-c | blackflow: your filesystem may not allow you to write or similar problem |
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| 13:11.20 | c-c | blackflow: can you do systemctl -a |
| 13:11.25 | blackflow | jelly: it's not, but I had a chroot on it for another installation. I think mounting dev or sys or proc with --rbind into a chroot results with this, if afterwards you umount -l |
| 13:11.49 | blackflow | sysctl daemon-reload fixed itself |
| 13:11.53 | blackflow | *systemctl |
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| 13:12.24 | jim | !confmiss |
| 13:12.24 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
| 13:12.38 | jelly | blackflow: eh, why would you ever use --rbind on a working system |
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| 13:13.05 | jelly | there's a hundred ways to shoot yourself in the foot |
| 13:13.10 | blackflow | jelly: why not? it never posed a problem before |
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| 13:14.15 | jelly | mmm, I misunderstood what it does |
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| 13:14.58 | blackflow | jelly: yeah definitelly running umount -l breaks systemd like this. |
| 13:15.18 | blackflow | I can reboot just fine with an existing --rbind mounts for a chroot |
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| 13:16.44 | DexterF | stoned, bash_profile in etc or in ~ ? if etc: wil that stay on upgrades? |
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| 13:27.20 | DexterF | gtg |
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| 13:34.08 | Ubd | I have internet access but only for root ? |
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| 13:34.38 | c-c | add user to network group |
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| 13:36.51 | basic6 | my debian 8 crashes/freezes every few weeks and it spews lots of nouveau errors into the logs... is it worth it opening a bug report for that? |
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| 13:38.01 | c-c | basic6: if your bug report is like your description here, no |
| 13:38.31 | Ubd | Thanks c-c |
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| 13:39.08 | basic6 | c-c: if i put a full description here, including logs and everything, i'll get banned for spamming the channel. it was just a first question. |
| 13:39.42 | basic6 | errors in dmesg, for example: nouveau E[Xorg[4284]] nv50cal_space: -16 |
| 13:39.54 | c-c | basic6: also, gist, pastie or pastebin |
| 13:40.57 | Ubd | What's the dhcp command |
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| 13:41.59 | basic6 | http://paste.debian.net/903445/ |
| 13:42.48 | c-c | basic6: well, errors happen so what |
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| 13:43.20 | c-c | basic6: are you sure your system freezes because of nouveau? |
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| 13:46.00 | basic6 | c-c so what? the system freezes. just windows, in the old days. the screen gets stuck (sometimes turns black), keyboard/mouse does not work anymore (not even leds) |
| 13:46.25 | basic6 | whenever this happens, there's nouveau stuff in the logs |
| 13:46.48 | c-c | is there also noveau stuff in the logs when it doesn't happen? |
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| 13:47.15 | c-c | do you *know* it is a bug, caused by noveau, or *not*? |
| 13:47.50 | basic6 | when it doesn't happen, i don't notice any nouveau stuff in the logs |
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| 13:49.01 | c-c | ok, well I think you might want something stronger for a bug report |
| 13:49.02 | basic6 | i'm positive that it's nouveau. it also makes sense because the screen freezing up looks like a graphics error and the messages are pretty direct. but i can't prove it, so i'm not "sure" |
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| 13:49.18 | pablo__ | hello |
| 13:49.30 | c-c | basic6: try and see? |
| 13:49.47 | pablo__ | I have debian 8 with fluxbox, I installed xfce and lxde , how may I start x server with xfce ? now it start with fluxbox |
| 13:49.53 | c-c | basic6: also, ask other people than me 8) |
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| 13:50.14 | c-c | pablo__: use a login manager? lightdm? |
| 13:50.41 | pablo__ | c-c, onestly , I don't know |
| 13:51.00 | abrotman | !xsession |
| 13:51.01 | dpkg | rumour has it, xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession' |
| 13:51.14 | basic6 | also, it looks like some programs are segfaulting with a nouveau library (xscreensaver) glknots[27904]: segfault at 1800000000 ip 00007f78e249fadf sp 00007ffdf453a148 error 4 in libdrm_nouveau.so.2.0.0[7f78e249d000+6000] |
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| 13:51.57 | pablo__ | ps aux | grep lightdm |
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| 13:52.11 | abrotman | pablo__: you might have to install it |
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| 13:52.53 | pablo__ | abrotman, lightdm is active as process |
| 13:53.12 | abrotman | oddly, we couldn't tell from that |
| 13:53.24 | abrotman | pablo__: does it have a drop down for you to select a differet DE? |
| 13:54.27 | pablo__ | abrotman, yes,fluxbox is too much simple as primitive, I want xfce or lxde |
| 13:54.44 | teraflops | basic6: so did you try nvidia blob just for seeing if the issue dissappears. then you know it's nouveau's fault |
| 13:54.45 | abrotman | sure, so use the drop down? /me presumes lightdm has such a thing |
| 13:54.53 | abrotman | otherwise, use slim or xdm or gdm3 or anything with more features |
| 13:55.07 | pablo__ | https://paste.debian.net/903448/ |
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| 13:55.55 | TomTomTo1 | the dropdown is at the top-right corner of the lightdm login screen. |
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| 13:58.32 | pablo__ | TomTomTo1, but to change the default desktop manager ? tostart with xfce for example? |
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| 13:59.03 | pablo__ | I'm using a laptop with 4 gbyte ram, it's not so slow |
| 13:59.06 | TomTomTo1 | you want to automatically loging and start the DE? |
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| 13:59.30 | TomTomTo1 | otherwise your selection gets saved for the next session. |
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| 14:00.04 | pablo__ | TomTomTo1, now the system start automatically with fluxbox, I want start with xfce |
| 14:00.19 | pablo__ | chage default DE |
| 14:00.43 | pablo__ | I have both xfce and lxde DE installed |
| 14:00.54 | TomTomTo1 | so there is no login screen? |
| 14:01.12 | pablo__ | TomTomTo1, yes there is login screen |
| 14:01.27 | TomTomTo1 | then select the DE in the login screen like we have tried to tell you. |
| 14:02.29 | pablo__ | TomTomTo1, so I must close the session now , and re-login ? |
| 14:02.35 | TomTomTo1 | yes... |
| 14:03.11 | pablo__ | TomTomTo1, however with pstree I see lightgm--->fluxbox----> etc. |
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| 14:05.41 | pablo__ | ok, I'm from xfcenow yhx |
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| 14:06.06 | J-BBB | hey |
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| 14:06.22 | J-BBB | any patches planed for nagios exploit? |
| 14:06.24 | pablo__ | TomTomTo1, to make the changes permanent , I mean make xfce default DE ? |
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| 14:06.39 | TomTomTo1 | lightdm saves your last selection. |
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| 14:07.39 | pablo__ | TomTomTo1, so thenext timethe system start with xfce by default ? |
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| 14:08.43 | pablo__ | good ,I try to reboot then , thx TomTomTo1 and all |
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| 14:10.35 | TomTomTo1 | J-BBB: CVE at hand? |
| 14:10.54 | J-BBB | TomTomTo1, CVE-2016-9566 |
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| 14:11.16 | J-BBB | and CVE-2016-9565 |
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| 14:11.33 | TomTomTo1 | https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2016-9565 |
| 14:11.37 | TomTomTo1 | https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2016-9566 |
| 14:12.41 | TomTomTo1 | looks like they are not quite done with 9566 yet. |
| 14:13.17 | J-BBB | bad |
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| 14:31.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | are there any filesystems that I can put into a file… and the file grows and shrinks(!) as needed? |
| 14:31.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | and that has xattr |
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| 14:32.46 | vladipu | hi pipl |
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| 14:36.15 | ksk | CutMeOwnThroat: dunno about xattr, but parallels its ploop is file based and can grow (auto) and shrink (manually) |
| 14:36.29 | ksk | CutMeOwnThroat: https://openvz.org/Ploop |
| 14:37.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | k, thx |
| 14:37.04 | ksk | in unstable there is a debian package, dunno about stable. |
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| 14:49.49 | Vladimirski | dmidecode show that I have 64 GB memory, but free -mh says total is 8 GB ? |
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| 14:51.53 | overlord | #lucene |
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| 14:53.28 | nkuttler | Vladimirski: dmidecode doesn't like free memory |
| 14:53.46 | nkuttler | list, not like |
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| 14:56.08 | Nightray | Hi. I have a problem with dual screens. When I boot up my laptop with DVI plugged in my laptop screen is black, my second screen has the wallpaper but no login prompt |
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| 14:56.33 | Nightray | I have to reboot and start system with DVI unpluged |
| 14:56.46 | Nightray | and plug it after logging in |
| 14:56.50 | Nightray | any ideas how to fix it? |
| 14:56.55 | Vladimirski | nkuttler: okey! |
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| 14:58.02 | Nightray | before you ask it's lenovo G70 with Intel® Haswell Mobile GPU |
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| 15:00.05 | jhutchins | Nightray: Get it right then leave it on. |
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| 15:00.47 | jhutchins | A cowworker is struggling with similar issues trying to do two external displays on a new touchbar macbook. |
| 15:01.18 | Nightray | jhutchins: but then I will shut it down for the day, go back tomorrow, and have it broken again which will make me go through all the rebooting from command line |
| 15:01.39 | jhutchins | Nightray: So don't shut it down. |
| 15:02.42 | jhutchins | Nightray: What happens if you suspend? |
| 15:03.29 | Nightray | I guess we will find out in a moment |
| 15:04.34 | Nightray | locking the workspace doesn't break it |
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| 15:05.33 | jamesl | hibernate it? |
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| 15:07.03 | Nightray | I only have shutdown/reset option |
| 15:08.37 | Nightray | I'll do it from the command line |
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| 15:20.50 | ws2k3 | i just moved my ipv6 gateway to another router and now all my ipv6 machines are not working anymore |
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| 15:21.17 | ws2k3 | when i try to readd my gateway RTNETLINK answers: Cannot allocate memory |
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| 15:22.36 | ksk | ws2k3: do you have like >1000 routes for one interface? there is a bug in the kernel.. ;) |
| 15:22.58 | ws2k3 | ksk no 4 ipv6 ips and one gateway |
| 15:23.20 | ksk | that should not trigger it. on you go.. |
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| 15:23.25 | ws2k3 | ksk but maby cause cause the gateway moved to another machine its looks like it got stuck somehow |
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| 15:26.17 | jhutchins | ws2k3: I know this is a stupid windows solution, but maybe reboot it. There are aspects of networking that have been migrated to excessively automatic configuration that aren't user controllable any more. |
| 15:26.45 | ws2k3 | jhutchins i did reboot a machine but after a few minions it stopped working |
| 15:27.11 | ws2k3 | jhutchins could it maby be that my isp is spreading a Very large routing table? |
| 15:27.25 | ws2k3 | cause all of my servers got this issue when they moved the gateway to another router |
| 15:27.27 | jhutchins | ws2k3: Unlikely. |
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| 15:27.48 | jhutchins | ws2k3: More likely they've got a glitch in the address schema. |
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| 15:28.22 | ws2k3 | jhutchins address schema what do you mean? |
| 15:28.33 | jhutchins | ws2k3: ipv6 is still about 90% misunderstood voodo. |
| 15:29.30 | abrotman | ... |
| 15:30.12 | abrotman | looks at the source, and realizes the source is probably still using Sarge |
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| 15:32.32 | abrotman | ws2k3: does the route break? Have you looked at the method for IPv6 to set the weight of routes? |
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| 15:33.40 | ws2k3 | is it possible to emty the cache of the routing table? |
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| 15:34.01 | abrotman | ws2k3: they're called "labels" |
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| 15:34.22 | abrotman | ws2k3: so you can say "This route has priority", etc |
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| 15:34.41 | abrotman | (as I've used them anyway) |
| 15:34.43 | ws2k3 | abrotman i think the issue is in my routing table cache |
| 15:34.59 | ws2k3 | abrotman when i try to readd the gateway im getting RTNETLINK answers: Cannot allocate memory |
| 15:35.03 | abrotman | ws2k3: you can delete routes from a routing table |
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| 15:35.34 | ws2k3 | abrotman the routing table itself is fine |
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| 15:36.28 | HolyGud | have a question. how to run scripts as root at computer startup in debian? |
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| 15:37.08 | HolyGud | i tried putting pactl in rc.local, it does not run those commands |
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| 15:40.29 | abrotman | ws2k3: ip -6 addrlabel list (pastebin) |
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| 15:45.46 | ws2k3 | abrotman i spoken with my provider and they told me they connected me to a BGP router which means that router contains all routes of the internet |
| 15:45.59 | ws2k3 | abrotman maby thats why the routing table of my machine has issues |
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| 15:51.39 | abrotman | ws2k3: any reason you can't paste it in the channel? |
| 15:52.05 | ws2k3 | abrotman prefix ::1/128 label 0 |
| 15:52.05 | ws2k3 | prefix ::/96 label 3 |
| 15:52.05 | ws2k3 | prefix ::ffff:0.0.0.0/96 label 4 |
| 15:52.05 | ws2k3 | prefix 2001::/32 label 6 |
| 15:52.05 | ws2k3 | prefix 2001:10::/28 label 7 |
| 15:52.06 | ws2k3 | prefix 2002::/16 label 2 |
| 15:52.06 | ws2k3 | prefix fc00::/7 label 5 |
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| 15:52.22 | ws2k3 | thats why |
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| 15:53.28 | abrotman | ws2k3: paste.debian.net |
| 15:53.36 | abrotman | or ask me to join #flood |
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| 15:53.57 | abrotman | these are not new things :) |
| 15:54.36 | ws2k3 | abrotman ur not in #flood |
| 15:54.52 | abrotman | henche "ask me to join" |
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| 15:57.48 | ws2k3 | abrotman the problem is that the table is full |
| 15:58.02 | abrotman | okay, so delete some |
| 15:58.22 | ws2k3 | how |
| 15:58.27 | ws2k3 | thats what im trying to find out |
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| 15:59.19 | ws2k3 | abrotman i want to delete the routes the gateway send to me not the routes that i setup |
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| 16:09.57 | Walex | ws2k3: "connected me to a BGP router" then you or your ISP need to configure route aggregation. |
| 16:11.17 | Walex | ws2k3: that should be pretty much the default for leaf networks. |
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| 16:12.26 | Walex | ws2k3: ask in ##networking as this has nothing to do with #Debian, it has tgo do with BGP and/or whichever interior protocol your router and the ISP router exchange routes over |
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| 16:33.38 | FaTony | what's the correct way to enable launching of programs from ~/.local/bin? |
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| 16:37.23 | jamesl | FaTony: add ~/.local/bin to your PATH in your .bashrc |
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| 16:39.54 | gerardo_ | Hello everybody. I want ask you If I use stable instead of Jessi in source list? Can I get a semi-rolling releasae? |
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| 16:41.54 | unborn | o0 |
| 16:41.57 | FaTony | gerardo_, I think yes |
| 16:41.59 | unborn | ??? |
| 16:42.15 | FaTony | gerardo_, you'll always have the latest stable |
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| 16:42.29 | jelly | gerardo_: no, don't do that |
| 16:42.53 | gerardo_ | Great, and I think only I need apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 16:43.01 | unborn | gerardo_: I use the repos direcly right after insall.. no mods.. |
| 16:43.10 | unborn | it all works... |
| 16:43.14 | jelly | gerardo_: release upgrades ALWAYS need more work done than just that |
| 16:43.19 | gerardo_ | Jelly: Why? |
| 16:43.36 | jelly | gerardo_: because it's impossible to automate everything |
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| 16:44.25 | gerardo_ | Ok, in your opinion is better, re-install everything? |
| 16:44.29 | jelly | gerardo_: this is why Debian makes exhaustive documentation for the release upgrade procedure every time a new "stable" is done |
| 16:44.31 | sillyslux | i guess, once you're ready for upgrading to next stable you do that *prepared* |
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| 16:44.49 | jelly | gerardo_: it's better to read and follow the release notes |
| 16:44.57 | unborn | crap - jelly you ownit :D |
| 16:44.59 | gerardo_ | sillyslux: Yes |
| 16:45.28 | jelly | gerardo_: doing a fresh install is also an option, of course |
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| 16:45.57 | sillyslux | ugh fresh install is a bad option |
| 16:46.02 | unborn | ..its the best option ...right a way |
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| 16:46.24 | jamesl | ooh, kernel 4.8 is in backports |
| 16:46.39 | sillyslux | after configuring the system for years, i don't want to loose... god knows what |
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| 16:46.46 | n4dir | never had to reinstall when using debian. must have done something wrong |
| 16:46.46 | jelly | sillyslux: it can have significant benefits, esp. if you have an old system and want current stable without doing all the steps |
| 16:46.50 | unborn | oh that kernel is not supported here.. yet |
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| 16:47.14 | jamesl | just change your sources.list to point to Jessie, then update and upgrade |
| 16:47.31 | jamesl | ,kernel |
| 16:47.33 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.8.0-rc8-686-pae (4.8~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.8.0-2-686-pae (4.8.11-1); stretch: 4.8.0-2-686-pae (4.8.11-1); jessie-backports: 4.8.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.8.11-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.82-1) |
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| 16:48.16 | n4dir | sillyslux: backing up all of /etc and ~/.[a-zA-Z0-9]* (the users hidden config files) is never a bad idea when it comes to saving configurations. |
| 16:48.24 | sillyslux | jelly i'm searching for all the little things i did for weeks now (i'm preparing a new install) |
| 16:48.31 | gerardo_ | Thanks to all |
| 16:48.31 | unborn | jamesl: not that easy. of broken packages out there installed - he/she will be left in dark... |
| 16:48.38 | jamesl | ah yeah |
| 16:48.42 | xinming | Is it possible to disable all tty in boot? I mean don't let linux to use boot vga at all |
| 16:48.48 | sillyslux | n4dir, yes did that |
| 16:48.53 | jamesl | upgraded from jessie to sid with no issuses |
| 16:48.55 | lmc | Is this the right channel for questions about building Debian packages? |
| 16:48.55 | jamesl | issues |
| 16:49.02 | sillyslux | etckeeper/homekeeper |
| 16:49.27 | n4dir | sillyslux: without thinking and without knowing your setup, i'd say then you shouldn't lose most of what you did. But don't take my word for it |
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| 16:50.09 | n4dir | but, like said, i can't recall upgrades from one release to the next which left me with a system i couldn't (at least) repair |
| 16:50.39 | sillyslux | yeah... it comes up with a black screen, so there's still something with gma4500 and i915 drivers before i can make the switch |
| 16:50.42 | n4dir | lmc probably #debian-mentors (perhaps someone can confirm) |
| 16:50.57 | lmc | n4dir: thank you, I will try there. |
| 16:51.17 | n4dir | yeah, sillyslux like that. I went here, described the problem, and it was solved quickly |
| 16:51.32 | lmc | n4dir: debian-mentors seems to be an invite-only channel. :( |
| 16:52.13 | sillyslux | lmc feel free to ask here |
| 16:52.27 | n4dir | lmc try it on oftc instead of on freenode? |
| 16:52.42 | n4dir | well: or ask here (i for one sure don't know the answer though :-) ) |
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| 16:53.18 | sillyslux | lmc invite only it's not |
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| 16:53.30 | sillyslux | maybe you need to be registered |
| 16:53.35 | sillyslux | with freenode |
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| 16:53.57 | lmc | I've built a package and I'm trying to understand the proper way to overcome the need to use '--allow-unauthenticated'. Did I do something wrong with my repository metadata signing, or am I supposed to sign my packages individually in order to be able to deploy them without having to use 'apt-get --allow-unauthenticated…' ? |
| 16:54.11 | lmc | sillyslux: I'm registered. |
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| 16:54.23 | sillyslux | strange |
| 16:54.36 | sillyslux | i got Now talking on ##debian-mentors |
| 16:55.00 | lmc | sillyslux: how do you explain this: "11:51 <#debian-mentors> You have been kicked out of the channel // 11:51 <#debian-mentors> ChanServ has kicked lmc (Invite only channel) // 11:51 <freenode> Reply(742): #debian-mentors s instcf MODE cannot be set due to channel having an active MLOCK restriction policy" ? |
| 16:55.22 | jamesl | lmc: 2 hashes, not one |
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| 16:55.26 | jamesl | ##debian-mentors |
| 16:55.36 | jamesl | only 12 people though |
| 16:56.04 | sillyslux | lmc did you set up your own repository? |
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| 16:56.22 | sotl | hello |
| 16:56.25 | sotl | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:56.38 | lmc | sotl: hi there. How can we help? |
| 16:56.43 | sotl | how to run https://github.com/incuna/ircbot.git thius on debian |
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| 16:56.57 | sillyslux | brb |
| 16:56.59 | sotl | ^_^ |
| 16:57.03 | sotl | imc |
| 16:57.36 | n4dir | lmc i just tried with my oftc-account. That sure works for #debian-mentors |
| 16:58.00 | lmc | n4dir: cheers, no worries, I will try there. Much obliged for the information. |
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| 16:58.18 | sotl | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:58.29 | lmc | sotl: RTFM? There are instructions about how to run the bot in the github page you've just posted. This is not the most appropriated channel for that, anyway. |
| 16:59.02 | mizerian | I can mentor the less experienced. |
| 16:59.10 | mizerian | I am feeling generous today. |
| 17:00.03 | sotl | root@localhost:~# git clone git://github.com/incuna/ircbot.git |
| 17:00.03 | sotl | bash: git: command not found |
| 17:00.03 | sotl | root@localhost:~# |
| 17:00.14 | sotl | :( |
| 17:00.18 | sillyslux | mizerian, he switched to #debian-mentors |
| 17:00.19 | lmc | mizerian: can you please tell me if APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated refers to signing packages or the repo metadata? |
| 17:00.28 | sillyslux | not |
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| 17:01.24 | lmc | sotl: start reading here: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html |
| 17:01.52 | n4dir | sotl: apt-get install git |
| 17:01.57 | lmc | sotl: then learn that there is a package called git https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=git |
| 17:02.09 | lmc | and use the command n4dir suggested above (as root, or else it won't work) |
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| 17:02.16 | petn-randall | lmc: apt only checks the signature of the repos, which chains down to every single package. I'm assuming you're referring to DD signatures on packages? They're not checked by apt. |
| 17:02.26 | n4dir | i wouldn't bother with running an irc bot until i had the the very basics mastered, though ... |
| 17:02.59 | lmc | petn-randall: so if APT refuses to install a package from my repo it means I've messed up my metadata signature, right? |
| 17:03.13 | petn-randall | lmc: Depends on the error you get. |
| 17:03.15 | lmc | (refuses unless I say "--allow-unauthenticated") |
| 17:03.27 | petn-randall | lmc: You can show us on http://paste.debian.net |
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| 17:04.31 | lmc | petn-randall: don't need that much space. APT Essentially claims "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated", and cowardly refuses to download and install the package. |
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| 17:05.13 | petn-randall | lmc: Sounds like either the signature doesn't match the release files, or you haven't added the key to apt. |
| 17:05.24 | petn-randall | lmc: But hard to say without the complete output. |
| 17:05.30 | lmc | I believe my Artifactory repo should automagically sign packages on deploy. I also think I've messed up the signature. |
| 17:05.47 | n4dir | i think if the key ain't there, you will get a question and by answering yes will download anyway |
| 17:05.59 | n4dir | if that is true, the problem must be a different one |
| 17:06.23 | lmc | The repo is there all right, I've checked. From what you say this has little probability of being an issue related to the absence of signature of package contents (AFAIK there's no need for that for APT). |
| 17:06.41 | petn-randall | lmc: Then show us the complete output please. |
| 17:06.43 | lmc | Thank you for your assistance, petn-randall, this was very helpful. :) I'm back on track. |
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| 17:07.46 | petn-randall | lmc: Ok, nice. You know what the error is? |
| 17:07.57 | sotl | thank you so much imc |
| 17:08.02 | lmc | petn-randall: apologies, there's no need for that. I appreciate your availability to bounce ideas around. Yes, I know what I'm dealing with, now. |
| 17:08.33 | petn-randall | lmc: Ok, glad we could help. |
| 17:08.38 | lmc | sotl: don't mention that. :) It's a pleasure to help. I hope you learn something new today. |
| 17:09.01 | sotl | yea |
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| 17:09.43 | petn-randall | sotl: If you install 'command-not-found', it'll suggest what package needs installing everytime you try to run something that's not available. |
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| 17:10.03 | lmc | petn-randall: actually there is one more thing you may be able to help me with: is there a manual way I can check a gpg-signature on package metadata without using apt? I will most likely need this to convince my repository administrator there's something wrong there… |
| 17:10.28 | petn-randall | lmc: Usually the error message is pretty clear. |
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| 17:12.34 | lmc | petn-randall: ok, you won. Please allow me a couple of minutes so I can start a new VM... I cannot reproduce the error on a VM with the package already installed. I will come back with a full error message (my shell history from yesterday is gone). |
| 17:12.46 | petn-randall | ok |
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| 17:14.02 | mizerian | palemoon cool but how do i get tabs to shrink not do the right left arrow |
| 17:14.08 | mizerian | making money is virtuous |
| 17:14.18 | mizerian | free software is ultimate capitalism |
| 17:14.18 | mizerian | wow |
| 17:14.25 | mizerian | swi prolog looks powerful for web apps |
| 17:14.41 | mizerian | virtualization and SAN are scames |
| 17:14.50 | mizerian | just use raid 10 sata arrays xfs |
| 17:14.53 | mizerian | and ha proxy |
| 17:14.55 | mizerian | :) |
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| 17:15.31 | petn-randall | Weird bot. :| |
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| 17:15.42 | jelly | mizerian: you're generating too much noise, muted you for ten minutes. Please focus on your specific debian tech issue in the future. |
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| 17:18.09 | jelly | mmm, this is not its first time |
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| 17:20.52 | sotl | root@localhost:~# git clone https://github.com/irssi/irssi |
| 17:20.52 | sotl | Cloning into 'irssi'... |
| 17:20.52 | sotl | error: cannot create thread: Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 17:20.52 | sotl | fatal: cannot start thread to parse advertised refs |
| 17:20.52 | sotl | root@localhost:~ |
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| 17:21.39 | jelly | "don't git as root" |
| 17:21.51 | abrotman | what could go wrong? |
| 17:21.59 | jelly | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
| 17:21.59 | jamesl | don't run anything as root if you don't need to * |
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| 17:22.32 | lmc | I would say "don't do anything as root unless you *have* to". |
| 17:22.33 | sotl | sorry |
| 17:22.44 | jelly | sotl: why are you doing 'git clone' as root |
| 17:23.13 | jamesl | don't run as root something that can be done without it |
| 17:23.31 | jamesl | ideally, don't even login as root. Use sudo and sudo -i |
| 17:23.40 | jamesl | has forgotten his root password |
| 17:24.38 | lmc | petn-randall: https://gist.github.com/luismottacampos/a2b090f794af213b401a486c4dc324c9 here's the error. Sorry there's a fair bit of Chef-generated output with it. |
| 17:24.46 | n4dir | i don't think that everyone would agree that using sudo has much advances over using su. |
| 17:24.46 | ompaul | jamesl: ah sudo -c passwd will solve that |
| 17:24.48 | jamesl | I only use sudo, so I don't login as root |
| 17:25.13 | jamesl | ompaul: the point is that I don't need the root password. I can do that if I need to, but I don't |
| 17:26.43 | n4dir | and you don't login to root, you change the user ID (or run a command with a different user id). Well: you can login as root too, of course. |
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| 17:29.25 | ompaul | jamesl: you should really remove root's password if you are that committed to sudo - having a root password is a bad idea if you are that committed |
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| 17:30.42 | ompaul | jamesl: sudo passwd -l root |
| 17:31.41 | lmc | petn-randall: updated the gist with the ugly, ugly script I've put together to package Anemometer. |
| 17:31.44 | jhutchins | Whether you use sudo, su -, or root login really depends on the environment. |
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| 18:06.36 | jrtc27 | petn-randall, lmc: ah *freenode* #debian....... |
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| 18:09.11 | lmc | jrtc27: sorry about the mess. And I've made it worse, by just publishing it in OFTC's #debian, a second ago... |
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| 18:44.51 | schnabeltasse | i sprained my ankle 12 days ago |
| 18:46.11 | schnabeltasse | not really bad, but it still feels vulnerable. |
| 18:46.24 | schnabeltasse | bad news |
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| 18:59.53 | treaki_ | hi |
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| 19:00.26 | treaki_ | after the hdd of my thinkpad broke down i have build in a new one and reinstalled debian 8 on it |
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| 19:00.50 | treaki_ | now i have finaly a big anough swap partition for suspend to disk |
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| 19:01.42 | treaki_ | the problem is just that when i restart the system after suspend to disk it is booting up normal (with resotring of the jornal of my root partition) |
| 19:01.48 | treaki_ | so the question is, what is going runn |
| 19:01.51 | treaki_ | *wrong |
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| 19:02.31 | treaki_ | on my old installation it worked but only if i hadnt to much pogramms open do to to few swap space |
| 19:02.42 | treaki_ | now i have enough swap space but it isnt working at all |
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| 19:04.21 | treaki_ | thanks for any help in advance |
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| 19:06.31 | awal1 | treaki_: in your machine you have only debian or there is another gnu/linux OS? If only debian, how manu partitions you have created for it? |
| 19:07.05 | treaki_ | there is an openbsd system, but i havent run it between the suspend to disk and the restore |
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| 19:12.39 | awal1 | treaki_: I have no clue about bsd; but have you created swap durring install for debian? |
| 19:12.46 | treaki_ | no |
| 19:12.48 | treaki_ | after that |
| 19:12.57 | treaki_ | i have done a debbootstrap install using the grml live cd |
| 19:13.08 | treaki_ | and have created the swap partition after that from debian |
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| 19:19.28 | treaki_ | ah now it is working |
| 19:19.32 | treaki_ | i had to execute |
| 19:19.36 | treaki_ | apt-get install --reinstall initramfs-tools |
| 19:19.40 | treaki_ | and that was it |
| 19:19.45 | treaki_ | thanks for your help awal1 |
| 19:20.12 | treaki_ | what are the problems you have mentioned about other installed gnu/linux oses? |
| 19:20.42 | awal1 | treaki_: I haven't helped you, but np :) Good for you solving that :P |
| 19:21.20 | treaki_ | yea, lookes like the initramfs needs to know there is a new swap partition to ;) |
| 19:21.27 | treaki_ | not only fstab... |
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| 19:22.23 | debnew | hello i am having problem when iam removing package it is coming back after reboot bcause of locked filesystem |
| 19:22.51 | debnew | iam tried with remouned sytem yet same result |
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| 19:23.29 | treaki_ | now i have still another problem with suspend to disk |
| 19:24.19 | treaki_ | when i press the suspend key kombination on my thinkpad (fn+F12) it dose go into suspend to disk mode but when it wakes up it goes into suspend to disk mode just again so that i have to resume twice |
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| 19:24.50 | treaki_ | lookes like there are two pices of software listening to the suspend to disk key event... |
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| 19:25.00 | treaki_ | what can i do about that? |
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| 19:29.38 | debnew | hi i am having issue with apt remove, package is reuring after reboot bcuse of locked fs |
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| 19:30.30 | zykotick9 | debnew: not really an apt issue IMO... by "locked fs" do you mean "read only"? why is it locked/read-only? |
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| 19:31.35 | debnew | it is like this purchesed used. with lockfs |
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| 19:32.35 | debnew | iam wanting to make some changes and then keep lockfs active afterwards |
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| 19:39.54 | jhutchins | debnew: That's the way lockfs is supposed to work. You'll have to either turn it off or remove it. |
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| 19:40.46 | debnew | how to turn it off. i tried many times to google it |
| 19:40.50 | greycat | ,info bilibop-lockfs |
| 19:40.51 | judd | Package bilibop-lockfs (admin, optional) in jessie/amd64: lock filesystems and write changes into RAM. Version: 0.4.23; Size: 43.7k; Installed: 87k; Homepage: https://un.poivron.org/~quidame/wiki/bilibop |
| 19:40.53 | greycat | That? |
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| 19:45.01 | everythingD | Have a networking question. I have my server on two networks. Eth0 is a path to the internet, I can get into it from the outside and it works great. eth1 is a second network that does not have a internet connection. on the server if I try to use a web browser or use apt-get it can not connect. |
| 19:45.05 | debnew | greycat i will try it |
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| 19:45.22 | everythingD | If I pull off the second network that does not have internet it works fine |
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| 19:45.44 | everythingD | How can I setup a default connection for applications on the server to bind to? |
| 19:45.53 | greycat | I wasn't saying "you should use this", I was asking "Is this the thing you are using" |
| 19:46.00 | dfcnvt | I love the look of schema here on the mac's terminal. How do I get it almost exactly like this one for Debian's terminal? http://i.imgur.com/79Y9DHr.jpg |
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| 19:49.00 | odla | how can i slow down the speed of mouse? i am using mate on debian testing and the speed is quite fast. the mouse dialog box claims the acceleration is alrady down to the minimium. |
| 19:49.13 | greycat | "man xset" but I'm old school |
| 19:49.35 | greycat | there may be some Mate-specific stuff that I have no clue about |
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| 19:51.24 | odla | greycat: ok, i'll take a look |
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| 19:53.12 | teraflops | dfcnvt: that terminal looks like powerline |
| 19:53.30 | teraflops | not really osx related |
| 19:53.34 | ksft | My clock is several hours off. |
| 19:53.58 | ksft | It's off by the same amount the time it should be it off from UTC. |
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| 19:54.04 | ksft | is* |
| 19:54.24 | greycat | I'd recommend installing ntp if you have a permanent internet connection. |
| 19:54.42 | greycat | (Or an NTP server on a local area network.) |
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| 19:55.00 | dfcnvt | Just checked for powerline -- awesome! |
| 19:55.12 | teraflops | dfcnvt: :S |
| 19:55.18 | ksft | What do you mean by "permanent"? |
| 19:55.26 | ksft | I usually have an internet connection. |
| 19:55.35 | teraflops | greycat: or just timedatectl set-ntp true |
| 19:55.42 | greycat | That sounds terrifying. |
| 19:55.52 | dfcnvt | I'm going through http://askubuntu.com/questions/283908/how-can-i-install-and-use-powerline-plugin |
| 19:55.55 | dfcnvt | Thanks. |
| 19:56.02 | teraflops | greycat: that sounds 2016 lol |
| 19:56.07 | greycat | I love systemd's service management. I don't want to let it pretend to be an NTP server. |
| 19:56.10 | ksft | what does? |
| 19:56.20 | greycat | I don't buy TVs with built-in VCRs either. |
| 19:56.45 | greycat | #include explanation of what a VCR is for the young'uns |
| 19:57.00 | zykotick9 | hehe |
| 19:57.06 | teraflops | ksft: does the same as systemctl enable systemd-timesyncd |
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| 19:57.26 | awal1 | I have a lot of apt logs here and I want to search for installed stuff for removal concerns. How to check all logs just once and grep what i want? |
| 19:57.32 | ksft | no, I meant what sounds terrifying |
| 19:57.53 | greycat | Letting systemd run an NTP server of unknown reliability. |
| 19:58.01 | ksft | ah |
| 19:58.06 | ksft | what should I do, then? |
| 19:58.20 | greycat | Whatever you want. My suggestion was to install ntp. |
| 19:58.41 | greycat | Also verify that your system's default time zone is set to what you want. |
| 19:58.57 | ksft | it is, but I also have Windows installed |
| 19:59.08 | greycat | That does complicate things. |
| 19:59.39 | ksft | I think I read somewhere that Windows stores local time somehow, and then Debian treats it like UTC? |
| 19:59.43 | teraflops | ksft: yeah that's why everyone you boot windows your time is borked |
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| 19:59.50 | teraflops | everytime |
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| 20:00.03 | ksft | I haven't booted Windows in a while, and I don't plan to often |
| 20:00.15 | greycat | !utc |
| 20:00.15 | dpkg | Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) is the standard by which the world regulates clocks and time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time). For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later, set "UTC" or "LOCAL" in /etc/adjtime (man 8 hwclock). For Debian 6.0 "Squeeze", set the UTC option in /etc/default/rcS appropriately (man rcs). For all systems, run «service hwclock.sh restart» to apply changes. See also <windows utc>. |
| 20:00.21 | somiaj | ksft: you can configure windows to use UTC time and display local, or you can configure debian to use local time. |
| 20:00.47 | ksft | hey, I just installed ntp, and it's working now |
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| 20:00.56 | teraflops | sure |
| 20:01.02 | ksft | IRC timestamps just jumped several hours |
| 20:01.04 | greycat | NTP will override the hardware clock, which bypasses the issue. |
| 20:01.36 | awal1 | I meant I want to grep stuff in all log files in /var/log/apt without checking file by file (by single file) |
| 20:01.59 | greycat | awal1: uncompressed logs only, or are there compressed ones too? |
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| 20:02.41 | awal1 | greycat: the only uncompressed is history.log & term.log; all others are compressed |
| 20:02.41 | greycat | assuming uncompressed: grep whatever /var/log/apt/* or grep -r whatever /var/log/apt |
| 20:02.57 | greycat | Bah, of course. Stupid me even BOTHERING to answer the simple question. |
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| 20:03.14 | greycat | goes to find out whether zgrep can do anything useful |
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| 20:03.49 | awal1 | greycat: ok, for uncompressed, but what about compressed ? :P |
| 20:03.54 | greycat | zgrep whatever /var/log/apt/*.gz |
| 20:04.03 | awal1 | ok lets try |
| 20:04.18 | greycat | I did not attempt to find a recursive directory of comporessed logs to see if zgrep can recurse |
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| 20:06.51 | awal1 | greycat: ok, fine zgrep xpkg /var/log/apt/*.gz does what I want (right now); it's enough. thanks :) |
| 20:07.40 | OS-24126 | a |
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| 20:10.39 | teraflops | copy pasting those things in a public buffer is a recipe for disaster |
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| 20:11.00 | feliks | calling `debootstrap jessie --variant=minbase /mnt` fails for me with the error: |
| 20:11.10 | feliks | > E: unknown location /mnt/dists/jessie/Release |
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| 20:11.33 | feliks | is the script '/usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/jessie' currently broken? |
| 20:12.00 | feliks | or is the invocation not quite right? |
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| 20:13.09 | greycat | Multiple fail. |
| 20:13.40 | jamesl | he went to all that trouble of creating a very strong password... |
| 20:13.45 | OS-24126 | lol |
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| 20:14.05 | greycat | I'm not sure how strong a UUID is. |
| 20:14.22 | jamesl | -NickServ- You are now identified for OS-24126 |
| 20:14.25 | jamesl | wow |
| 20:14.37 | teraflops | OS-24126: I cannot believe what you did |
| 20:14.43 | greycat | Oh, he left too. |
| 20:14.59 | jamesl | I did that once |
| 20:15.15 | teraflops | jamesl: he did it 2 times in a row |
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| 20:15.20 | no_gravity | Hello! What type of partition table and file system should I put on an USB stick when I don't know what OS the receipient uses? |
| 20:15.27 | jamesl | oh yeah |
| 20:15.28 | greycat | fat32 |
| 20:15.36 | no_gravity | greycat: ok |
| 20:15.42 | no_gravity | And what type of partition table? |
| 20:15.45 | jamesl | fat32 is supported by Windows, OSX and linux |
| 20:15.47 | greycat | msdos |
| 20:15.48 | jamesl | MBR? |
| 20:16.00 | no_gravity | jamesl: Is that a partition table type? |
| 20:16.01 | teraflops | partition table? msdos |
| 20:16.03 | greycat | "the thing that isn't gpt" |
| 20:16.08 | no_gravity | teraflops: ok |
| 20:16.31 | jamesl | I thought partition tables were only MBR and GPT, and GPT is not supported by all OSes |
| 20:16.34 | no_gravity | So I will create an msdos partition table and one big partition with a fat32 filesystem. |
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| 20:16.44 | greycat | Sounds good. |
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| 20:16.51 | debiancurious040 | hello there |
| 20:17.09 | OS-24126 | a |
| 20:17.14 | no_gravity | greycat: thanks! |
| 20:17.27 | debiancurious040 | where i can find some security advices ? |
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| 20:18.17 | awal1 | no_gravity: if you have uefi, instead of bios, you may want gpt partition table instead of msdos |
| 20:18.34 | greycat | Did you not read the initial question? |
| 20:19.57 | awal1 | ah, I see, sorry :P |
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| 20:20.57 | pablo_ | hello all |
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| 20:23.04 | debiancurious040 | is possible to install a ipkg package without ipkg ? |
| 20:23.11 | debiancurious040 | i mean manually downloading the arm executable ? |
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| 20:23.51 | pablo_ | I'm using a laptop with 2 video cards, how may I know what card I'm using ? |
| 20:24.13 | greycat | Probably by which one makes the monitor go not-black when you plug into it. |
| 20:24.34 | pablo_ | this laptop is a HP dv6 |
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| 20:28.34 | awal1 | pablo_: just trying googled stuff; what glxinfo|egrep "OpenGL vendor|OpenGL renderer" says? |
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| 20:30.13 | pablo_ | basically this laptop heat too much, sensors give me a T of 82C idle mode. This laptop have 2 card, one simple and another with more high performance, but this card heat too much |
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| 20:31.58 | pablo_ | awal1, OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on AMD RS880 |
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| 20:33.35 | awal1 | pablo_: I guess it's the card being used; what says: lshw -c video (if you have lshw pkg - paste.debian.net) |
| 20:33.46 | pablo_ | some time ago, I disassembled it, changed the conductive cream, and re-assembled, but the temperature is again high. I don't game, and I'm not interested to graphic performance |
| 20:34.16 | debiancurious040 | can i download manually a debian package and get the files inside of it ? |
| 20:34.40 | somiaj | debiancurious040: sure, dpkg -x file.deb /path/to/extract/dir |
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| 20:35.24 | debiancurious040 | oh thank you |
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| 20:37.22 | somiaj | debiancurious040: be careful where you extract it to. (: |
| 20:37.23 | pablo_ | https://paste.debian.net/903533/ |
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| 20:38.37 | debiancurious040 | somiaj: i really need a armhf compiled version of a package that i can't obtain with ipkg |
| 20:39.29 | pablo_ | awal1, https://paste.debian.net/903533/ |
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| 20:42.32 | debiancurious040 | somiaj: how can i download this files from a mirrro ? |
| 20:42.34 | debiancurious040 | mirror ? |
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| 20:43.51 | EnV | hey, i have a question, if its not too much of a hassel may someone please instruct me on how to install a tar.gz file in kali sana? |
| 20:43.53 | teraflops | mirrors usually can be accessed via http |
| 20:44.07 | EnV | i googled it but no method seems to work |
| 20:44.16 | teraflops | debiancurious040: so use a Web browser? |
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| 20:44.30 | greycat | !kali |
| 20:44.30 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
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| 20:44.41 | debiancurious040 | teraflops: yes i can but i don't know the location of the packages in the mirror website |
| 20:45.59 | teraflops | debiancurious040: debian mirror? |
| 20:46.04 | debiancurious040 | teraflops: is this one ? http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/pool/main/i/iftop/ |
| 20:46.04 | EnV | greycat: is this the wrong channel to ask tat type of question? |
| 20:46.17 | greycat | It is the wrong question to ask for help installing software on Kali. |
| 20:46.22 | greycat | ... channel. |
| 20:46.33 | greycat | Go to #kali-linux |
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| 20:47.06 | EnV | greycat: thank you!!!! im new to irc |
| 20:47.17 | teraflops | debiancurious040: notice the dir names |
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| 20:47.44 | teraflops | the stuff inside starts with the same letter... |
| 20:47.56 | somiaj | packages.debian.org can also help |
| 20:48.00 | teraflops | holy cow |
| 20:48.13 | awal1 | pablo_: I don't really know what's the difference between -*display and -* display UNCLAIMED. you may find what all that means checking man lshw |
| 20:48.56 | teraflops | debiancurious040: yeah what somiaj says looks even easier |
| 20:49.04 | pablo_ | awal1, maybe it's the video card in using |
| 20:49.35 | awal1 | maybe |
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| 20:49.40 | greycat | My god. |
| 20:49.49 | greycat | OS-24126: STOP putting spaces in front of all your chat commands. |
| 20:50.11 | teraflops | OS-24126: I'm starting to believe you're doing that shit on purpose |
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| 20:55.35 | debiancurious040 | teraflops: you think that i could be able to run a simple utility like iftop on my qnap nas that is armhf using the debian compiled one ? |
| 20:55.54 | debiancurious040 | teraflops: i extracted it, and put it in my nas via ftp, then i chmodded +x it |
| 20:55.59 | teraflops | debiancurious040: I have no idea to be honest |
| 20:56.05 | somiaj | debiancurious040: debian binaries are linked to shared libaries, you'll also need access to all the libaries a binary needs |
| 20:56.21 | somiaj | debiancurious040: why not just compile it yourself so it runs ont he system y o have? |
| 20:56.23 | pablo_ | awal1, how may I know what video-card I'm using now of the two present ? |
| 20:56.24 | debiancurious040 | somiaj: then i'm screwed :( |
| 20:56.38 | debiancurious040 | somiaj: i'm kinda a noob and not know very good how to compile it |
| 20:56.52 | debiancurious040 | somiaj: can you give me some advice ? |
| 20:56.53 | somiaj | pablo_: you can check /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see what video drivers/card xorg is actually using. |
| 20:57.13 | somiaj | debiancurious040: I don't know your situation, but debian provides source packages with the info set up to compile them. |
| 20:57.14 | debiancurious040 | somiaj: but i don't want to make you lose time with my case ^^ |
| 20:57.34 | somiaj | debiancurious040: do you have debian installed on an arm system |
| 20:57.43 | debiancurious040 | somiaj: nope is a qnap original firmware |
| 20:57.46 | somiaj | debiancurious040: why cna't you just install the package? |
| 20:57.55 | debiancurious040 | somiaj: but i have access to the shell as root |
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| 20:58.18 | somiaj | debiancurious040: so you have some shell on some operating system that is not debian, and are expecting a binary compiled to run on debian to 'just work'? |
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| 20:58.22 | debiancurious040 | somiaj: as you know on this small os they just put busybox and a small bunch of other minor utilities.. |
| 20:58.39 | somiaj | debiancurious040: I'm not familar with many of the arm devices or oses that are provided. |
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| 20:58.56 | debiancurious040 | somiaj: as i say i'm not very pro on this but time ago i did the same with vim or other small utils and they worked, maybe because the amount of required lib was less |
| 20:58.58 | awal1 | pablo_: the kernel driver loaded may help; what says: lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3 | grep 'in use' ? |
| 20:59.19 | debiancurious040 | somiaj: is basically a linux distro |
| 20:59.47 | debiancurious040 | somiaj: Linux NASHOST 3.2.26 #2 SMP Wed Dec 14 05:35:00 CST 2016 armv7l unknown |
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| 21:00.21 | somiaj | debiancurious040: sure, but most linux distros uses shared libaries and are linked to the versions available. |
| 21:00.33 | pablo_ | awal1, what string I must search in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? |
| 21:00.44 | somiaj | debiancurious040: it might be you need to compile a static linked binary to copy it over, y ou won't be able to just extract a binary from a debian package and exect it to run on some random os |
| 21:00.49 | greycat | debiancurious040: You should see which libc is on that target, and figure out which Debian system is *older than* that, and compile on that Debian system. Or on a dedicated ARM cross-compiling system. |
| 21:01.05 | pablo_ | driver is radeon , but all 2 cards are ati |
| 21:01.06 | somiaj | debiancurious040: even in debian, a .deb made for jessie is not expected to just be able to run on stretch or wheezy for instance, as they are built against the libaries in the os |
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| 21:01.26 | debiancurious040 | somiaj: i see is very complex so |
| 21:01.30 | greycat | Usually they will work on newer releases, but of course not on older releases. Usually. |
| 21:01.40 | greycat | So you want to build on old systems. |
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| 21:01.49 | awal1 | pablo_: refer to somiaj about Xorg log |
| 21:01.54 | awal1 | :P |
| 21:02.05 | debiancurious040 | greycat: heh i would be able to cross compile it xD i have a dedicated test debian machine but i have no idea howto compile it statically |
| 21:02.19 | greycat | So, which version of libc is on the ARM target? |
| 21:02.26 | debiancurious040 | greycat: let me check that |
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| 21:03.09 | somiaj | debiancurious040: unfornutally things are not usually set up to just run on different versions (though this is because of using shared libaries vs static, static linked binaries coudl work, but you would need to build it on another system, as greycat mentiones, build on a system with an older libc (since libc is very backwards compadaible). And static linked means all the other libaries will be built into t |
| 21:03.15 | somiaj | he binary and you need not worry if they are installed/compadable with the system. |
| 21:04.40 | debiancurious040 | greycat: somiaj: this is the Qnap Nas version of glibc https://paste.debian.net/hidden/bfacbf91/ |
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| 21:05.00 | pablo_ | https://paste.debian.net/903541/ |
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| 21:07.12 | pablo_ | somiaj, hello |
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| 21:08.21 | debiancurious040 | greycat: if you could give me some steps to follow i will cross compile it directly on a debian vm i just created |
| 21:08.29 | somiaj | pablo_: line 362, RADEON(0): Chipset: "ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4200" (ChipID = 0x9712) |
| 21:08.55 | greycat | All I want to know is what version NUMBER of libc is on that target, so then you can look up what Debian version is just older than that, and use that Debian version. |
| 21:09.30 | pablo_ | somiaj, you and awal1 are two real hackers :-) |
| 21:10.01 | debiancurious040 | greycat: i posted it to you in that pastebin |
| 21:10.12 | greycat | *fucking hell* making me click shit for you |
| 21:10.23 | greycat | remove the s... |
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| 21:10.36 | debiancurious040 | GNU C Library stable release version 2.14.1 |
| 21:10.40 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.49 | greycat | ,v libc6 |
| 21:10.50 | judd | Package: libc6 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u10; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u11; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u3; jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u6; jessie-proposed-updates: 2.19-18+deb8u7; stretch: 2.24-8; sid: 2.24-8 |
| 21:10.51 | pablo_ | somiaj, good : radeon 4200 is the less hot video card |
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| 21:11.03 | greycat | Wheezy is just slightly older than yours, so I would use wheezy as the build system. |
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| 21:11.24 | greycat | There is no 100% guarantee, but that should be a pretty good match. |
| 21:11.28 | debiancurious040 | greycat: fine so, i will nuke the vm and put on a wheezy one |
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| 21:13.01 | pablo_ | this laptop heat too much : I disassembled it, clean and change the conductive paste, but the problem remains. Sorry 'cause this laptop have 4 gbyte ddr3, 2 core amd cpu |
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| 21:13.36 | odla | hi, i tried using xset to slow down the accleration of my mouse but it doesn't seem to make a difference. i think the issue is associated with the libinput driver on stretch instead of using the synaptics driver. i have tried with the mouse GUI in mate to slow it down but it makes no difference. |
| 21:14.01 | greycat | blah blah blah STRETCH blah blah blah |
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| 21:16.10 | debiancurious040 | greycat: in the meanwhile how i can be sure of my arm architecture? if is armel, armhf ? |
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| 21:16.22 | greycat | I know nothing about ARM. |
| 21:16.35 | odla | fair enough. however, it sounds like mouse acceleration has changed dramatically in recent X server versions; using xset to disable acceleration doesn't work as it used to and is not recommended anymore. |
| 21:16.47 | greycat | !debian-next |
| 21:16.47 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 21:19.38 | pablo_ | last thing: audio don't go. I put alsamixer to higher volume but I don't list nothing |
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| 21:20.22 | pablo_ | stop |
| 21:21.05 | pablo_ | excuse me , I resolved audio excuse me and thx to awal1 and to all |
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| 21:21.49 | debiancurious040 | greycat: i asked and guess i can use both armel or armhf , better armel |
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| 21:22.05 | pablo_ | long life to GNU/debian linux , unique real open source linux distribution |
| 21:22.17 | debiancurious040 | pablo_: y |
| 21:22.35 | debiancurious040 | greycat: so, i have the wheezy installed, what packages i need ? |
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| 21:23.10 | greycat | build-essential + whatever -dev packages you need |
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| 21:29.56 | debiancurious040 | greycat: build-essential installed, where i can find the sources for iftop? still on the debian mirror ? |
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| 21:31.18 | debiancurious040 | i will get the ones directly from the website of the author guess this should go |
| 21:31.20 | debiancurious040 | http://www.ex-parrot.com/pdw/iftop/download/iftop-1.0pre4.tar.gz |
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| 21:39.23 | debiancurious040 | greycat: i read it a bit and seem to be too much complex for me |
| 21:40.04 | debiancurious040 | greycat: is very easy to do in jessie but in wheezy is a mess |
| 21:40.17 | debiancurious040 | because embedian gone unsupported |
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| 23:28.29 | EnV | hey, i would like to know how to install debian |
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| 23:30.05 | jelly | !install guide |
| 23:30.06 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for Debian 8 "Jessie" can be found at https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/installmanual . See also <errata>, <jessie release notes>. |
| 23:30.19 | jelly | EnV: read that, probably |
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| 23:31.09 | EnV | i have an intel i5 64bit, but all i see is amd64 arm64 armel armhf i386 mips mipsel powerpc ppc64el s390x source multi-arch...idk which one to download |
| 23:31.36 | jelly | EnV: amd64 is the one you want. Yes, even for an intel cpu. |
| 23:32.05 | EnV | im sorry to confuse you guys, i said the wrong words. my question was to download |
| 23:32.16 | somiaj | !amd64 |
| 23:32.17 | dpkg | amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Intel Core 2, Core i3/i5/i7 and Xeon (since 2004) systems are x86-64. The AMD64 architecture also supports running Debian i386 with either a -686-pae or -amd64 kernel. See also <why amd64> and <why not amd64>. |
| 23:32.31 | somiaj | !why amd64 |
| 23:32.31 | dpkg | The Debian architecture that runs on 64-bit processors from AMD and Intel is called "amd64" because the architecture was first developed by AMD. AMD64 is variously known as x86-64, x64, IA-32e, EM64T and Intel 64 (most of which are the Intel marketing people changing their mind). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/x86-64 |
| 23:32.37 | EnV | o ok i didnt know, i thought amd64 was for amd, thats what confused me |
| 23:32.44 | EnV | ooooooo |
| 23:32.49 | EnV | i see that now |
| 23:32.54 | EnV | thank you!!!! |
| 23:33.25 | EnV | ok, before i download, is debian ok to get started with before pentesting? |
| 23:33.39 | somiaj | pentesting? |
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| 23:34.26 | EnV | i want to learn pentesting and i was on linuxjourney.com, it said one of these distros would be best to start on for learning linux |
| 23:34.31 | bazhang | is he on Kali? |
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| 23:34.49 | somiaj | EnV: most here will say debian is a fine distro to start with. |
| 23:34.52 | EnV | i have kali, yes, i was thinking about dumping kali and learning on debian |
| 23:35.59 | EnV | i know kali is also debian but i figured i may have a better chance of just using what i will use and learn rather than having all this stuff that comes with it |
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| 23:36.26 | bazhang | kali is not debian |
| 23:36.28 | jelly | a capable pentester probably needs to have a background in OS design, programming from low to high level first. Being able to find your way around a linux distro is just a bonus given that many tools you're going to use are open source and work best on linux |
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| 23:37.23 | jelly | bazhang: awareness of "kali != debian" is probably one of the reasons they're asking how to install actual debian |
| 23:38.03 | bazhang | jelly, his mention of pentesting had me thinking it was a kali install he had |
| 23:38.34 | jelly | sure, but whatever they have right now is irrelevant for their question |
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| 23:38.57 | jelly | (except for the part of making a bootable installer medium) |
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| 23:43.23 | brrrba | in which package can i find libpng library |
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| 23:44.19 | bazhang | libpng-tools ? |
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| 23:44.41 | hicksd | brrrba: apt-cache search libpng |
| 23:45.15 | brrrba | nah |
| 23:46.20 | jelly | brrrba: why are you asking? |
| 23:46.47 | brrrba | some game is asking for libpng12.so |
| 23:47.18 | jelly | brrrba: which game, and what's the actual error message? |
| 23:47.30 | jelly | dpkg, tell brrrba about apt-file |
| 23:48.17 | jelly | or ask the bot, /msg judd file libpng12.so |
| 23:49.11 | brrrba | error while loading shared libraries: libpng12.so.0: ... no such file or directory |
| 23:49.33 | brrrba | i found it |
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| 23:49.39 | brrrba | it appears to be version 16 |
| 23:49.39 | EnV | im new, im teaching myself through the linuxjourney, i figured if i start there and keep learning as much as possible i can teach myself ethical hacking...thats basically what my goal is |
| 23:49.50 | jelly | brrrba: which debian release are you using? |
| 23:49.58 | brrrba | testing |
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| 23:50.08 | brrrba | the game is TennisElbow |
| 23:50.19 | jelly | that's your problem, your binary is not built to work on stretch |
| 23:50.51 | s0r00t | hi there, anyone has experience in pxe booting? |
| 23:50.59 | brrrba | yeah, i realize that, maybe i can link the new library to point to the old version |
| 23:51.40 | jelly | don't do that, the files have different names for a reason |
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| 23:52.01 | jelly | brrrba: if you have to, grab the old library package from jessie |
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| 23:52.24 | cafuego | brrrba: You can try the symlink, though chances are it'll cause a segfault. |
| 23:52.32 | hicksd | download libpng12 and stick it in the same dir as the game then you can get it to use it via LD_PRELOAD for just that one binary |
| 23:53.41 | jelly | hicksd: it is probably more sane to enable repo for previous debian release and just install the relevant package |
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| 23:59.45 | zykotick9 | jelly: wow... i'm surprised to see you giving such advise |
