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| 00:15.44 | exa_ways | is apt purge the best way to remove preinstalled stuff I do not need at all? |
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| 00:17.19 | awal1 | exa_ways: what you mean by "preinstalled"? |
| 00:17.46 | tp43_ | I am trying to use cordova. When I try .run I get error executing "google-chrome --user-data=/tmp/temp_chrome...", so I tried $alias google-chrome='chromium' but no lucj |
| 00:18.05 | exa_ways | well debian comes with software like games and stuff |
| 00:18.51 | dvs | exa_ways, probably because you installed "Desktop Environment" |
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| 00:19.54 | exa_ways | so there is a "plain debian" without all that? |
| 00:20.15 | awal1 | exa_ways: I guess you have chosen a specific metapackage for desktop (task-desktop-gnome/kde/xfce...) Try removing the pkgs you don't need |
| 00:20.36 | tp43_ | exa_ways, netinstall doesn't comes clean |
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| 00:20.49 | dvs | exa_ways, yes, you just have to deselect "Desktop Environment" during the install. The downside is that you will have to install an X environment afterwards. |
| 00:21.28 | awal1 | tp43_: ^ |
| 00:21.39 | tp43_ | awal1, true |
| 00:22.04 | awal1 | tp43_: not a fault of netinst image :P |
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| 00:22.19 | exa_ways | well I stick with it for now. good to learn to know it. only wondering about that graphical packet manager that does not seem to remove stuff completely |
| 00:22.52 | exa_ways | so was wondering if apt purge is the way to go |
| 00:23.11 | dvs | exa_ways, yes, that sounds good to me. |
| 00:24.12 | exa_ways | ok thx |
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| 00:25.16 | awal1 | exa_ways: run dpkg -l > Installed-pkgs |
| 00:27.15 | masqueradepaul | debian... best distro hands down :) |
| 00:27.20 | awal1 | exa_ways: then go your /home dir and find that file "Installed-pkgs". check what you want to remove with apt-get remove pkgname or apt-get purge pkgname and apt-get autoremove (but check closely apt-get messages |
| 00:27.51 | awal1 | apt-get prompts ^ |
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| 00:32.50 | exa_ways | awal1: ah nice! thats much better than using the apt list |
| 00:34.15 | exa_ways | awal1: but whats the difference between apt purge and apt-get purge? :) |
| 00:34.33 | awal1 | exa_ways: well, apt list --installed is almost the same as dpkg -l |
| 00:34.53 | unborn | is there anything like gnome software (alternative to synaptic for my mother)? |
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| 00:35.21 | awal1 | unborn: which DE? |
| 00:35.35 | unborn | awal1: obviously gnome :) |
| 00:37.01 | awal1 | unborn: apart gnome software and synaptic, I just know about "apper" (kde pkg management) |
| 00:37.31 | awal1 | but I guess you won't it, since it needs a bunch of kde stuff |
| 00:37.35 | exa_ways | awal1: yes but that logfile is much more detailed :) |
| 00:38.25 | dvs | well, there's always dselect |
| 00:38.27 | dvs | runs |
| 00:38.35 | awal1 | exa_ways: apt or apt-get or aptitude purge does same thing; check docs and manuals for detailed info |
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| 00:38.53 | unborn | awal1: ah yeah.. well.. I dont see any packages like gnome software... all I could found is 'packages' which is kindly like synaptic but well.. you know.. |
| 00:39.49 | exa_ways | awal1: i will... much to learn now |
| 00:39.59 | awal1 | unborn: such as gnome software, so no as I know, apart synaptic and apper |
| 00:40.27 | unborn | awal1: ah I see. thanks anyway |
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| 00:42.07 | b6s3d | hello i can't install python-central |
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| 00:42.45 | unborn | awal1: i found it in stretch.. :) so I guess after I update one day, she will have to wait, until then I will do ssh for her and install whatever she needs remotely |
| 00:43.26 | awal1 | unborn: you found what? |
| 00:44.04 | unborn | awal1: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=gnome-software |
| 00:45.05 | awal1 | oh, ok |
| 00:45.11 | awal1 | ,v gnome-software |
| 00:45.12 | judd | Package: gnome-software on amd64 -- sid: 3.22.4-1; stretch: 3.22.4-1 |
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| 00:45.52 | exa_ways | this is a beatiful night. i tried several times to switch to linux in the past years cause i knew by heart it is the better choice. But lazyness always brought me back to osx the next day for my common enviroment. It never made zooom. But tonight I have fallen in love. There is no way back now. |
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| 00:48.34 | Vizva | lol |
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| 00:48.54 | bumbar_ | merry christmas to all! i have an urgent question; when i type w / who, the ip is empty for some entry, how can this be? |
| 00:48.56 | Vizva | i hope the linux want to marry you too - good luck ;) |
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| 00:53.23 | unborn | exa_ways: been same back in time when I left windows xp lol and still primary on linux. |
| 00:53.37 | exa_ways | hehe well right now it is the girlfriend only as it is still dualboot. but the difference is it is not an one night stand like the last times. I am already happy to see her again first thing tomorrow morning instead of the anoyingb old wife ;) |
| 00:53.57 | unborn | btw merry xmass all.. im off. later |
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| 00:55.30 | dvs | bigamy!!! |
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| 00:56.19 | exa_ways | yeah just for a short while to be safe gnihihi |
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| 01:50.50 | efloid | does anyone know about running Ubunut LXD containers with Debian? |
| 01:52.17 | awal1 | ubunut lxd? |
| 01:52.32 | efloid | or is lxc just as good as lxd? |
| 01:53.24 | efloid | just reading canonical hype about how much better their LXD is supposed to be: https://www.ubuntu.com/cloud/lxd |
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| 01:54.13 | efloid | i guess its Xmas eve. no geeks around |
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| 01:56.52 | newcoder | /bin/bash is deleted, how can I recover it again? |
| 01:58.42 | dvs | apt-get --reinstall install bash |
| 01:58.44 | epsilon | reinstall bash |
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| 02:01.24 | newcoder | dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute installed post-installation script (/var/lib/dpkg/info/bash.postinst): No such file or directory |
| 02:01.24 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, newcoder |
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| 02:02.44 | newcoder | https://bpaste.net/show/8154ab211999 , what to do? |
| 02:02.56 | efloid | does smartctl accept blkid arguments? seems odd that it only accepts device names like sda |
| 02:04.03 | efloid | newcoder: that's really serious. |
| 02:04.38 | efloid | newcoder: it should fall back to dash |
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| 02:06.48 | efloid | newcoder: you may have to preface your command with SHELL=/bin/dash apt-get install --reinstall bash |
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| 02:07.30 | efloid | because your SHELL env variable might still be set to /bin/bash. try this: env |grep SHELL |
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| 02:07.47 | efloid | or SHELL=/bin/dash env |grep SHELL |
| 02:08.04 | efloid | actually that last command was stupid. ignore! |
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| 02:10.34 | newcoder | https://bpaste.net/show/72c2fe1ea38c , sudo apt-get install bash |
| 02:10.45 | newcoder | Bash was partially removed or installed |
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| 02:13.15 | newcoder | How can I remove bash ; then install it? |
| 02:13.21 | dvs | apt-get --reinstall install bash |
| 02:13.40 | n4dir | you could add the command you used.was it the one you were advised to use? |
| 02:14.43 | newcoder | I have tried with SHELL=/bin/dash |
| 02:14.46 | newcoder | same error |
| 02:14.56 | n4dir | same problem: tell the whole command. |
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| 02:16.32 | n4dir | try: a) dash and b) apt-get install --reinstall bash ; too |
| 02:17.04 | newcoder | Here: https://bpaste.net/show/76dd7f5ae4fa |
| 02:17.36 | dvs | sign, that's not what people are telling you |
| 02:18.19 | newcoder | I tried this too: SHELL=/bin/dash ; apt-get --reinstall install bash; and apt-get install bash |
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| 02:19.21 | bazhang | ,v bash |
| 02:19.22 | judd | Package: bash on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.2+dfsg-0.1+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 4.2+dfsg-0.1+deb7u4; jessie: 4.3-11+b1; jessie-proposed-updates: 4.3-11+deb8u1; sid: 4.4-2; stretch: 4.4-2 |
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| 02:19.41 | bazhang | why would you want to reinstall bash |
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| 02:19.57 | dvs | bazhang, /bin/bash is gone |
| 02:20.12 | bazhang | that doesnt sound good |
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| 02:24.22 | dvs | newcoder, then type "dash" then "apt-get --reinstall install bash" |
| 02:25.48 | galex-713 | Hi |
| 02:25.56 | galex-713 | Do anyone knows something about 3D monitors? |
| 02:26.32 | galex-713 | Especially passive row-interlacing ones? which doesnât polarize by default like equiring some kind of â3d activationâ? |
| 02:26.40 | galex-713 | like Zalman Trimon? |
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| 02:27.42 | newcoder | I'm using /bin/zsh now, SHELL=/bin/zsh |
| 02:27.52 | newcoder | This error: https://bpaste.net/show/17ce4954bd52 |
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| 02:28.43 | efloid | newcoder: leave out the semicolon |
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| 02:29.50 | efloid | the SHELL statement is not a command, you're prepending the apt-get command with an overridden env variable |
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| 02:31.00 | newcoder | efloid: Yes, initially /bin/bash is started |
| 02:31.09 | efloid | so it looks like beyond the hype LXD is just a front-end for LXC |
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| 02:31.43 | newcoder | echo $SHELL = /bin/bash when I start a new terminal |
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| 02:32.59 | efloid | newcoder: you are confusing an echo statement and an env variable assignment statement |
| 02:33.20 | efloid | echo reads an env variable |
| 02:33.23 | ksft | I'm having trouble getting a bluetooth device to pair with my computer |
| 02:33.41 | n4dir | i would probably try "chsh -s /bin/zsh" to change the login shell. Log out, log in, try again. Change it back once bash is installed again (assuming that is wanted) |
| 02:33.53 | ksft | I tried bluetoothctl, and it said "Failed to pair: org.bluez.Error.ConnectionAttemptFailed" |
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| 02:34.15 | efloid | n4dir: i don't really know, but you should read about bluez and install if necessary |
| 02:34.23 | n4dir | though i wouldn't know why the above solutions shouldn't work (that is: rather a try and error solution, not knowledge) |
| 02:34.24 | ksft | gnome-bluetooth says "No Bluetooth adapters found" |
| 02:34.42 | efloid | n4dir: apt-cache search bluez |
| 02:34.56 | n4dir | i got no idea about bluez, and i didn't speak about it |
| 02:35.09 | efloid | n4dir: sorry i meant ksft! |
| 02:35.18 | n4dir | :-) oh my, the internet |
| 02:35.19 | ksft | efloid: I was wondering if you meant me |
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| 02:36.04 | ksft | I have the bluez package installed |
| 02:36.08 | ksft | how do I use it? |
| 02:36.21 | efloid | ksft: start reading docs :-) |
| 02:36.27 | ksft | what docs? |
| 02:36.33 | ksft | man bluez doesn't work |
| 02:36.47 | ksft | "No manual entry for bluez! |
| 02:36.48 | n4dir | wiki.debian.org has no entry ? ksft ? |
| 02:36.51 | ksft | "* |
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| 02:37.01 | efloid | ksft: you could /usr/share/doc/bluez... |
| 02:37.19 | ksft | not that I see |
| 02:37.50 | efloid | ksft: you could try dpkg -L <package> and see all the files it installs. maybe some man pages. |
| 02:38.30 | efloid | check the bluez-tools package and maybe btscanner |
| 02:38.37 | ksft | oh, I didn't know you could do that |
| 02:38.55 | ksft | looks like bluetoothctl, which I tried to use, is part of it |
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| 02:45.06 | thinkpad | no |
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| 02:45.53 | newcoder | I solved the bash problem, /var/lib/dpkg/info/bash.prerm has #!/bin/bash at top, I changed it to /bin/zsh , and reran, apt-get --reinstall install bash bash-completion, it worked |
| 02:47.10 | n4dir | cool bean. |
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| 02:47.39 | ksft | so can anyone help me? |
| 02:48.00 | bazhang | with bluetooth? |
| 02:48.01 | ksft | bluetoothctl says "Failed to pair: org.bluez.Error.ConnectionAttemptFailed" when I try to pair with a bluetooth device |
| 02:48.15 | ksft | bazhang: yes |
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| 03:07.24 | efloid | ksft: i don't know. maybe look at /var/log/syslog for any info |
| 03:07.54 | efloid | ksft: there's probably a bluetooth howto or some doc on the debian wiki |
| 03:08.31 | efloid | https://duckduckgo.com/?q=debian+configure+bluetooth&t=canonical&ia=web |
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| 03:14.32 | ksft | nothing relevant in /var/log/syslog |
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| 03:29.09 | efloid | ok how to i replace a package from one source with one from another source? |
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| 03:29.53 | efloid | am trying to remove all my dotdeb packages and go back to stock, but some of them are required by many things |
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| 03:36.02 | efloid | ah got it! just manually install new pkg with dpkg |
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| 03:38.31 | f-a | is there a way from command line to get my current keyboard layout |
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| 03:39.04 | ksft | f-a: tty or a GUI terminal thing? |
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| 03:39.26 | f-a | terminal |
| 03:39.53 | f-a | I am hoping to extract something so I can put it in my tmux status bar, ksft |
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| 03:42.15 | ksft | f-a: if it's running on X, it looks like you can use something like `setxkbmap -print` |
| 03:42.38 | f-a | it is running x ksft |
| 03:43.12 | f-a | but apparently the xkb_symbols line doesn't change when I toggle, ksft |
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| 03:43.37 | ksft | I have no idea, unfortunately |
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| 03:44.54 | f-a | no worries! I'll stay put to see if there are more inputs :) |
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| 04:09.33 | cast | what's the nicest way to setup a testing-amd64 mirror [sans src]? having read around there seems to be a mess of ways. jigdoing the 14 DVDs seems the easiest, though then you don't get a signed release file |
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| 04:10.58 | christinepea777 | are there any good debian desktop games packages out there? ie ones with lots of little games that consume minial resources? solitare, rodents revenge, ski free, etc. |
| 04:11.22 | dvs | cast, apt-mirror? |
| 04:12.26 | f-a | mhhhh christinepea777 , I know |
| 04:12.36 | f-a | I know of collection of solitaire games |
| 04:13.09 | f-a | and there is bsdgames, but itÅ for terminal, not graphical (still extremely nice games!) |
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| 04:13.22 | christinepea777 | f-a: oh yeah? |
| 04:13.41 | christinepea777 | f-a: i just need simple little games to play inbetween my work |
| 04:14.08 | cast | there's always nethack... |
| 04:14.23 | f-a | that's staring into the abyss :P |
| 04:14.32 | ksft | I have a bluetooth headset I'm trying to connect |
| 04:14.34 | epsilon | cast: debmirror. Calculate with about 80GB |
| 04:14.40 | f-a | christinepea777: I usually play jester and most of the time kshisen |
| 04:14.48 | ksft | I think it's connected, but pavucontrol doesn't list it |
| 04:15.20 | cast | epsilon: interesting, the 14 jigdo dvds made me think it would be ~50GB |
| 04:15.21 | christinepea777 | f-a: any idea where I can find these packages? maybe a site that reviews them or something. i dunno. |
| 04:15.33 | christinepea777 | f-a: or a site that has lots of little linux games for download |
| 04:15.49 | christinepea777 | f-a: low end games, not high end ones that you've got to buy. |
| 04:15.53 | f-a | christinepea777: those come with debian. You do know how to search the repositories, right? |
| 04:16.02 | christinepea777 | f-a: not off hand |
| 04:16.28 | f-a | mhhh, I don't have a DE but I guess I can help you |
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| 04:18.06 | f-a | christinepea777: since you have got a terminal open |
| 04:18.17 | f-a | just go `apt-cache search solitaire` |
| 04:18.37 | f-a | and then pick one. I suggest: `sudo apt-get install kshisen` |
| 04:19.43 | christinepea777 | f-a: okay thanks. that works. |
| 04:19.56 | christinepea777 | f-a: is there a command that returns information about each game? |
| 04:20.04 | christinepea777 | f-a: like a summary |
| 04:20.07 | f-a | yeah |
| 04:22.07 | f-a | apt-cache show kshisen or if you prefer using a browser, https://packages.debian.org/jessie/kshisen |
| 04:22.15 | f-a | for many games there is an image, too |
| 04:22.35 | f-a | (also there is a similar packages list, etc.) |
| 04:23.06 | christinepea777 | f-a: okay thank you very very much |
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| 04:25.58 | tim_ | How can you tell whether a package is in main, contrib, or non-free? |
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| 04:27.15 | dvs | tim_: /msg judd version <package-name> |
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| 04:27.45 | tim_ | dvs: Thanks. But is there a way to do it offline? |
| 04:30.09 | dvs | not that I know of |
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| 04:37.24 | Gost_50676 | Can someone help mee? |
| 04:38.06 | tim_ | !tell Gost_50676 ask |
| 04:38.25 | tim_ | !ask |
| 04:38.26 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 04:38.46 | f-a | shoot, Gost_50676 |
| 04:38.59 | Gost_50676 | Why can not I install cpanel on debian 8? |
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| 05:19.22 | Delf | Seems this a serious issue⦠chromium cannot be updated to newer version because of dependencies (libdbus-1-3, libfontconfig1 and libstdc++6) in the current jessie? |
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| 05:25.22 | cast | seems debmirror is either buggy, or dreadfully inefficient, it just sat at 100% cpu for 45 minutes :| |
| 05:26.57 | Delf | Is getting those dependencies updated hard? Will it break other dependencies? |
| 05:29.14 | epsilon | cast: what options did you use? |
| 05:30.05 | cast | giving apt-mirror a go now |
| 05:30.29 | cast | debmirror --keyring=/usr/share/keyrings/debian-archive-keyring.gpg -p --dry-run -h ftp.au.debian.org --method=http -d stretch -a amd64 --nosource testing-amd64 [also sans dry-run] |
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| 05:36.29 | epsilon | cast: debmirror -v --section=main,contrib,non-free --arch=amd64 --nosource --i18n --getcontents --dist=stretch --method=rsync --host=ftp.au.debian.org --root=debian/ --diff=none --dry-run /local/path/to/mirror/ |
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| 05:41.38 | cast | hmmm, now that apt-mirror is running i might wait for that finish |
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| 06:20.30 | dtgq | How to install Python 3.6 on Debian Jessie? apt-get install python3 says that 3.4.2 is the newest version |
| 06:23.23 | n4dir | https://packages.debian.org/jessie/python/python-virtualenv |
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| 06:25.19 | n4dir | i got that right: it was released 2 days ago? |
| 06:26.50 | dtgq | yes |
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| 06:27.22 | j4son | released 2 days ago? that means you only need to wait 2 years for it to be in debian packaging, nbd. |
| 06:27.36 | dtgq | alright so how do I install it? |
| 06:27.43 | dtgq | besides compiling from source? |
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| 06:30.04 | n4dir | like said, try virtualenv |
| 06:31.32 | dtgq | How does virtualenv help? |
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| 06:32.48 | n4dir | did you recently fall on your head? |
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| 06:35.37 | dtgq | no. did you? |
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| 06:38.22 | dtgq | n4dir: I'd love to stay to tell you how retarded your "answer" is, but the compilation has just finished and now I can use virtualenv. You like doing thing backwards? Put your underwear over your head. |
| 06:38.28 | j4son | I think what dtgq means is.... how does virtualenv, which has a dependency on python, help with upgrading python? |
| 06:39.53 | dtgq | yeah he's a tough-guy keyboard warrior idiot, doesn't know shit. Armchair advisor. |
| 06:41.18 | dtgq | n4dir: If you're just going to go around pissing people off with retarded and useless answers, it's better to just keep your fucking mouth shut. |
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| 06:42.03 | j4son | oh my |
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| 06:43.58 | n4dir | now, j4son, as far i can tell you can use virtualenv to install different versions of python (if you would need those versions to make use of it, there would be no need for it) |
| 06:44.39 | n4dir | that was not the point though. |
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| 06:47.39 | jim | n4dir, also to install modules |
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| 06:49.01 | n4dir | yeah, i guess so. Might have mixed it with perlbrew, but i would assume that one purpose of virtualenv is to install different versions of python (at least too) |
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| 06:54.09 | vrkalak | refresh my memory -- what is command for joining another #channel ? |
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| 06:54.51 | n4dir | - /join #channelname |
| 06:55.19 | vrkalak | ack!! thank you, n4dir |
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| 06:57.56 | somiaj | n4dir: that is correct, you will need a compiled python for the version you want, but you don't even have to have it in your $PATH, $HOME/mycusomtpython/ is good enough. |
| 06:58.35 | somiaj | ahh guess the person that was for left |
| 06:59.28 | n4dir | somiaj: yup, just figured it out, probably mixed it with perlbrew (still expecting a software just released to be packaged for debian stable is ... a bit odd) |
| 06:59.38 | n4dir | but thanks for the clarification |
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| 07:06.47 | efloid | not sure if i should install mysql or mariadb for an owncloud server |
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| 07:11.07 | somiaj | efloid: it is mostly a personal choice, debian supplies both. |
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| 07:12.52 | efloid | somiaj: i'm tending towards mariadb which i suspect with more robust community development may have better/more frequent security updates |
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| 07:25.13 | jusss | how I can know debian have some sound cards' drivers like CMedia HS 100B or CM6533? |
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| 07:32.03 | somiaj | jusss: hardware support is from the kernel. So just if the linux kernel via alsa supports that sound card that is what debian will do to. |
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| 07:36.22 | sophiag | hi. i'm on debian (jessie) for the first time as of earlier this week and it's been freezing a disturbing amount: often once a day, now just twice in the past hour or so. it could be a hardware issue, but i suspect something with the os so figure i'd ask here first. i really only use two apps, chromium and emacs. i do generally keep >10 tabs open o |
| 07:36.22 | sophiag | n chromium, but suspect it's more likely an issue debian has with oracle jdk8 since that is showing as consuming far more memory when i have a repl running in emacs (usually around ~700mb). but i also only ever seem to be using maximum half the 8gb ram i have installed so suspect that could be part of it. any ideas? |
| 07:36.50 | jusss | somiaj: how I can know the kernel support some device drivers? |
| 07:37.09 | jusss | where I can find some index sort of? |
| 07:38.15 | han-solo | sophiag: chromium have some bugs |
| 07:38.34 | han-solo | use firefox |
| 07:38.37 | sophiag | yeah, one would figure chromium is not nearly as stable as firefox |
| 07:38.59 | sophiag | you really think enough to crash the os to the point i can't even bring up a terminal to kill it? |
| 07:39.12 | sophiag | i really do prefer it to firefox |
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| 07:39.53 | sophiag | i have my devices synced up through there, plus chrome and react dev tools are essential (although not all the time obviously) |
| 07:40.01 | sophiag | ugh |
| 07:40.44 | somiaj | jusss: I'd just look it up in google |
| 07:40.56 | sophiag | han-solo: would i experience the same bugs with stretch? i'm going to try it debootstrap in a week or so probably |
| 07:41.10 | sophiag | or i could just backport a newer version if there is one |
| 07:41.30 | somiaj | sophiag: chromium recentally had a security issue which required backporting a newer version. You should be running version 55 from secirty, use apt-cache policy chromium to check |
| 07:41.30 | sophiag | this is 55.0.2883.75 |
| 07:41.47 | somiaj | sophiag: you could try google-chrome from google. You will need to get their package and it is only for amd64 |
| 07:42.03 | sophiag | oh, i didn't know i could use real chrome... |
| 07:42.09 | sophiag | i just have to build it manually? |
| 07:42.09 | somiaj | sophiag: I have no issues with chromium myself, but Im' running stretch |
| 07:42.16 | sophiag | ah good to know too |
| 07:42.28 | sophiag | seems i'll switch once i have some time and try it with chroot |
| 07:42.30 | somiaj | sophiag: no building (it is non-free with google stuff in it), but google provides a package here. |
| 07:42.45 | sophiag | woah really? why could i only find chromium then... |
| 07:42.48 | somiaj | sophiag: you just won't get support for googles package here, if there are bugs with it, contact google. |
| 07:43.07 | somiaj | sophiag: because debian doesn't distribute the non-free google-chrome, only chromium |
| 07:43.20 | somiaj | sophiag: google provides their own repo you can add to your sources.list |
| 07:43.23 | sophiag | ah, still tho...big oversight on my part |
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| 07:43.40 | sophiag | thanks. that seems like the clear answer |
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| 07:48.48 | jusss | somiaj: I search 'cmedia cm6533' in google, but I get kernel patch... so it means the default kernel don't have its driver? |
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| 07:56.08 | sophiag | alright back on chrome...all 20 tabs :) |
| 07:56.17 | sophiag | hopefully this will fix it. thanks guys |
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| 07:58.57 | freeshitnode | i like free shit |
| 08:00.29 | freeshitnode | where is the free shit? |
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| 08:01.30 | baraba | free shit as in free beer, or free shit as in freedom |
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| 08:31.53 | starstuff | Hi I have a new computer I just built and it has an nvidia 1070 card and an nvme SSD. I tried Debian Jessie and grub doesn't install. So next I tried Debian Stretch (alpha 8 installer) and grub works fine. When I boot Debian Stretch, I get a message from nouveau "Unknown chipset" and GNOME doesn't start. How do I fix that? I probably want to use the non-free nvidia drivers. |
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| 08:33.29 | SporkWitch | starstuff: i've had some issues with the 1060 as well, i think it's a bit too new for proper support from the nouveau drivers and other generics that are attempted. Could try slotting in an older nvidia card, installing, installing the binary drivers, then switching to the newer card. |
| 08:33.43 | Sabotender | curious. would an Ubuntu deb work on debian? |
| 08:33.56 | ElDiabolo | starstuff, You may need the legacy drivers. |
| 08:33.57 | starstuff | SporkWitch: Aren't there instructions for Jessie on the debian wiki entry for nvidia? |
| 08:33.58 | SporkWitch | Sabotender: ubuntu and debian are not binary compatible |
| 08:34.15 | Sabotender | SporkWitch: ah, was just curious. :-P |
| 08:34.16 | ElDiabolo | starstuff, Forget that :) |
| 08:34.35 | starstuff | ElDiabolo: I'm at console at the moment so would appreciate any help |
| 08:34.35 | SporkWitch | starstuff: there may be; i was trying to install kubuntu (for a workstation it saves me the trouble of installing a bunch of stuff i'd have installed anyway, not to mention the official steam support) |
| 08:34.47 | SporkWitch | starstuff: gave up fairly quickly and just stuck with arch lol |
| 08:34.47 | xormor | SporkWitch, some Ubuntu programs run fine with Debian. If they have the same library compatibility and kernel compatibility. |
| 08:34.50 | Sabotender | SporkWitch: since people were arguing earlier about the extreme similarities between the two distros. |
| 08:35.31 | starstuff | SporkWitch: if you or someone could text me the commands to install the nvidia proprietary driver from the debian wiki that would be appreciated |
| 08:35.39 | xormor | SporkWitch, for example Bat Client 64 bit for Ubuntu ran fine with Debian Jessie Stable 8 64-bit (amd64, x86_64). |
| 08:35.43 | SporkWitch | xormor: they sometimes CAN, but it's not by design, so much as lucking out. Again, they are not binary compatible; there is no assurance whatsoever that a ubuntu deb will run on debian or vice versa |
| 08:36.04 | ElDiabolo | I have an eee pc with 2Gb ram. Are there any noticable advantages of 64 or 32 bit. |
| 08:37.12 | SporkWitch | ElDiabolo: you may actually benefit from staying 32bit. 64bit can add a little bit of overhead, though this is lost with the greater capacity available; with only 2GB? You might notice the extra overhead. |
| 08:37.21 | ElDiabolo | It seems to boil down to minor performance improvement (64) vs minor memory footprint improvement (§"): |
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| 08:40.12 | ElDiabolo | SporkWitch, I think I'll go for 32. Are there any benefits of the amd64 architecture I will not have then? |
| 08:41.30 | SporkWitch | ElDiabolo: none that i'd expect to be noticed on that hardware |
| 08:42.13 | SporkWitch | ElDiabolo: as you noted, potential for slightly better CPU efficiency with 64bit (extra registers and whatnot), but also slightly larger memory footprint. with only 2GB to work with, the memory is of greater concern |
| 08:43.12 | SporkWitch | 2GB is really nothing these days; my chromebook has 2GB (+2GB zRAM) and it regularly shits the bed from going OOM (and it has one seriously aggressive OOM killer) |
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| 09:22.14 | tehcha | how can i install a Debian into a raspberry pi? |
| 09:22.43 | SporkWitch | tehcha: put it on a USB driver, choose the sd card during install. |
| 09:22.55 | SporkWitch | make sure you use an ARM build. or just use raspbian |
| 09:23.49 | tehcha | SporkWitchâty |
| 09:29.02 | somiaj | tehcha: it also might depend what pi you have, raspbian is the easiest, but it isn't pure debian so isn't supported here. |
| 09:29.14 | somiaj | tehcha: you need to make sure your pi supports arm v7 to use the debian arm port. |
| 09:29.23 | somiaj | (most newer ones do) |
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| 09:30.40 | sophiag | ugh...back again. all new applications launched open with black windows in gnome? everything currently open is working fine and i can launch a terminal with ctrl alt f2 |
| 09:31.11 | somiaj | sophiag: what version of debian are you running again? |
| 09:31.13 | sophiag | i see a lot of different explanations for this on google, but they're mostly too old and/or on different distros |
| 09:31.16 | sophiag | jessie |
| 09:31.27 | SporkWitch | ctrl+alt+f2 is a tty; you're not launching anything, so it's independent. |
| 09:31.33 | sophiag | i doubt it's an integrated graphics bug. that seems to have been fixed by now |
| 09:31.48 | sophiag | SporkWitch: i know. sorry, wrong terminology |
| 09:32.00 | SporkWitch | terminology is a terminal emulator ;) |
| 09:32.04 | SporkWitch | (sorry, had to there lol) |
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| 09:32.30 | sophiag | lol |
| 09:32.31 | SporkWitch | i would point out that just because it's old or a different distro doesn't make it wrong or not relevant; read what's there, try it |
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| 09:32.51 | sophiag | more that they're often too old to trust |
| 09:33.05 | sophiag | i doubt a bug involving integrated graphics from three years ago hasn't been patched |
| 09:33.12 | SporkWitch | again, that doesn't follow |
| 09:33.25 | SporkWitch | regressions happen all the time |
| 09:33.27 | sophiag | really? *everyone* has integrated graphics now... |
| 09:33.33 | sophiag | true i guess.. |
| 09:33.44 | sophiag | just figured i'd ask here if anyone knew about anything currently |
| 09:34.04 | SporkWitch | this is also debian, i could totally see something from 3 years ago just now making it in lol |
| 09:34.04 | tehcha | sophiagâ ty for looking out for me liek this! |
| 09:34.19 | sophiag | there are also just many different explanation. most involve software i don't even have installed |
| 09:34.48 | sophiag | integrated graphics makes sense to me...i'm just surprised it'd still be an issue when i saw a post from 2013 |
| 09:34.53 | SporkWitch | nifty, so rather than focusing on the things that definitely don't apply, how about looking over the things you erroneously dismissed without proper testing? |
| 09:35.19 | sophiag | got it. just thought prudent to ask. the answer is "haven't heard of anything" i suppose |
| 09:35.38 | SporkWitch | i don't use gnome, it's crap, but this applies to trouble with any piece of software |
| 09:36.11 | SporkWitch | patched or not, just because something's old doesn't mean it isn't relevant, and it may get you closer to a solution. Happens all the time. |
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| 09:36.29 | SporkWitch | hell, a similar problem with completely different software may very well have the same solution |
| 09:36.52 | SporkWitch | but you wouldn't have noticed, because you're too quick to toss out results :P |
| 09:36.58 | John[Lisbeth] | Merry Christmas and happy holidays, #debian. Thank you for putting in countless hours helping people make arguably the best and most stable and free Linux distro of all time. I really appreciate all of your hard work and the whole planet really owes you a beer or two. |
| 09:37.23 | sophiag | lol, i didn't "toss them out." just thought i'd ask here first. i just had another issue and immediately someone knew what the cause was |
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| 09:37.58 | SporkWitch | will happyily argue "best" |
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| 09:38.13 | SporkWitch | (as far as stability, that's what happens when it takes a decade to make it from testing to stable :P) |
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| 09:38.52 | John[Lisbeth] | b |
| 09:39.12 | John[Lisbeth] | Even now you are just toiling away at Debian on Christmas eve and that is really amazing |
| 09:39.40 | SporkWitch | humbug |
| 09:39.41 | sophiag | jew. just finished my chinese :) |
| 09:39.46 | SporkWitch | lol |
| 09:39.52 | SporkWitch | what is with that stereotype? |
| 09:39.54 | SporkWitch | it's hilarious |
| 09:40.06 | sophiag | tbh i found some noodle soup in the freezer |
| 09:40.24 | sophiag | and broke vegan cuz i was too busy to cook and need to get to sleep |
| 09:40.29 | babilen | â #debian-offtopic please |
| 09:40.45 | sophiag | ok, was going to actually explain the reason |
| 09:40.55 | noodle | :( |
| 09:41.00 | sophiag | haha |
| 09:41.37 | sophiag | well i don't have compiz installed it seems... or at least the config file isn't where it should be |
| 09:42.30 | sophiag | oh wait i think i typed it in wrong switching back and forth...it has to be that from what i'm reading |
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| 09:45.19 | sophiag | hmm. i can't find xorg.conf.d or similar in the X11 dir. anyone know where it is? i just switched to debian from centos this week (hence all the questions) |
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| 09:46.41 | somiaj | sophiag: just create it |
| 09:47.11 | somiaj | sophiag: by default xorg detects things automatically and no config file is given. You can choose to either use a single config file xorg.conf or split it up into multiple files, xorg.conf.d/foo |
| 09:47.33 | sophiag | hmm |
| 09:47.44 | babilen | dpkg: xorg.conf.d |
| 09:47.45 | dpkg | xorg can use files ending in the suffix .conf in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d for additional configuration. It is preferred to use an <empty xorg.conf> and create files (e.g. 20-nvidia.conf, 20-radeon.conf, 20-wacom.conf) there in order to configure a single device. You might have to create the directory yourself (mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d). See also "man 5 xorg.conf". |
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| 09:48.16 | sophiag | or Xorg -configure ? |
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| 09:48.42 | babilen | No, don't do that |
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| 09:55.25 | sophiag | welp...upgraded gnome and restarted it |
| 09:55.31 | sophiag | we'll see if this problem returns |
| 09:55.58 | sophiag | didn't deem it wise to go around creating config files for gpus i don't even know match mine |
| 09:56.00 | efloid | anyone remember that site where you can get a free ssl cert? |
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| 09:57.49 | efloid | startssl.com? |
| 09:58.59 | DoctorD90 | MERRY XMAS TO ALL!!! |
| 09:59.01 | efloid | letsencrypt.org |
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| 10:02.02 | efloid | sudo apt-get -t jessie-backports install certbot bang. |
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| 11:33.19 | NewEd | hi |
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| 11:35.48 | madrik | Compliments of the season. |
| 11:36.24 | madrik | If I use rng-tools or haveged, what risks do I expose the entropy pool to? |
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| 11:37.05 | LinuxNovice | hello... |
| 11:37.13 | techping | hi |
| 11:37.14 | SporkWitch | a flaw in the tools, or their entropy source, would polute the pool with less-than-random data |
| 11:37.26 | LinuxNovice | techping, hi... |
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| 11:38.57 | LinuxNovice | I am a beginner in Linux. Was curious to know, if we use any of the various respins of debian, can we get the updates and bugfixes directly from debian? |
| 11:39.03 | madrik | SporkWitch: Thanks. Would hardware RNGs be even worse in that regard? |
| 11:39.25 | nkuttler | LinuxNovice: no |
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| 11:40.22 | LinuxNovice | if I update the OS, the updates made and bugfixes made are directly routed from debian or it is the specific distro that does the update? |
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| 11:40.39 | SporkWitch | madrik: i've not used the two you're speaking of, so couldn't really comment. What I can say is that it depends. Many smartcards integrate a TRNG which, in theory, should produce very good random numbers |
| 11:40.51 | LinuxNovice | because, the respin is based on debian. |
| 11:40.54 | nkuttler | LinuxNovice: your distro has to provide security support |
| 11:41.19 | nkuttler | LinuxNovice: security can upgrade any package, it doesn't make sense to build your own distro and pull random upgrades from debian |
| 11:41.20 | LinuxNovice | suppose, a respin to debian like antix. |
| 11:41.57 | SporkWitch | madrik: i've used token-tools with an old feitian pkcs11 card i had, and the NIST suite seems to like its random numbers, but it's possible i was using the suite wrong (it's not the most user friendly, and i didn't spend a ton of time with it) |
| 11:41.59 | nkuttler | LinuxNovice: it just doesn't work |
| 11:42.29 | LinuxNovice | so, can I expect the same stability and security from a respin like antix which is based on debian stable, as debian itself? |
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| 11:42.41 | nkuttler | LinuxNovice: go ask them |
| 11:42.48 | madrik | SporkWitch: Ah, okay. I was planning to create some new SSH keys and thought it better to ask about entropy increasers. |
| 11:43.00 | nkuttler | LinuxNovice: only they can tell you about their security policies |
| 11:43.42 | LinuxNovice | so, which is better in your opinion respin to debian or debian? |
| 11:44.04 | nkuttler | LinuxNovice: debian, obviously |
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| 11:44.39 | LinuxNovice | ok. |
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| 11:48.12 | madrik | When I installed Debian recently, I found out that aptitude(1) is no longer a part of the standard set of programs. Is there a problem with it I ought to be aware of? |
| 11:48.34 | LinuxNovice | I have read that Debian is hard to configure and may not support some hardware. is that true? is it suitable for someone who has switched from Windows and relies heavily on GUI? |
| 11:49.06 | madrik | Oh, I used d-i Alpha 8. |
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| 11:49.26 | nkuttler | LinuxNovice: some things might work more easily on other distros, but in the end it's all linux |
| 11:49.48 | nkuttler | LinuxNovice: getting your gui to run shouldn't be a problem, unless you have the latest of everything in hardware |
| 11:50.07 | LinuxNovice | ok. |
| 11:50.14 | madrik | I understand that there was some uncertainty about the maintainership of aptitude, but that cloud has passed over. |
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| 11:50.33 | nkuttler | madrik: i think apt is now the recommended tool, but read the release notes i guess |
| 11:50.47 | nkuttler | just stubbornly continues to use apt-get |
| 11:51.13 | nkuttler | and aptitude still has its uses for complex dependencies |
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| 11:51.38 | madrik | nkuttler: Is apt to be used both for daily package management and release upgrades? |
| 11:52.17 | madrik | Or are the apt tools now specialized for one or the other purpose? |
| 11:52.22 | nkuttler | madrik: for releases, always check the release notes |
| 11:53.49 | nkuttler | yeah, upgrade is still with apt-get https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#upgradingpackages |
| 11:54.07 | nkuttler | but we have seen different tools recommended in the past for upgrades vs day to day operations |
| 11:54.20 | efloid | how to copy from one directory into another and if target dir files are different don't overwrite them? |
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| 11:54.50 | nkuttler | efloid: man cp |
| 11:55.12 | efloid | i only see options to not overwrite if same name exists. but i only want it if same name exists and file is actually different |
| 11:55.34 | galex-713 | Hi |
| 11:55.37 | galex-713 | Did anyone already made a 3D screen work under GNU/Linux? |
| 11:55.49 | efloid | yeah cp has -no-clobber but that's not what i want |
| 11:56.00 | nkuttler | efloid: you don't want to copy the same file over? |
| 11:56.21 | efloid | nkuttler: if file is same then overwrite, if not same do not overwrite |
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| 11:57.01 | madrik | nkuttler: Thanks. You mentioned you still use apt-get. Is your reason only historical? |
| 11:57.05 | at0m | efloid: rsync has -u, --update which updates when files in target dir are older |
| 11:57.33 | efloid | at0m: ah maybe... checking... |
| 11:57.33 | nkuttler | efloid: your first rule basically has no effect |
| 11:57.44 | nkuttler | so not overwriting existing files seems to do the same? |
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| 11:58.23 | efloid | nkuttler: well the idea is to merge two directories and if files were different either prompt for a rename or automatically rename |
| 11:58.48 | nkuttler | you might want unison, if rsync doesn't do what you want |
| 11:58.53 | efloid | nkuttler: but its not the same because i don't want the files leftover in the source dir if they got copied |
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| 11:59.25 | n4dir | at first guess i would do a if condition (if both files don't differn, then cp, else do something different) |
| 11:59.29 | n4dir | efloid: |
| 11:59.52 | nkuttler | not sure what you're actually trying to do anyway |
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| 12:01.34 | efloid | maybe a script would be better for this |
| 12:02.01 | n4dir | efloid: you only got two directories, each contain only files, or you got 2 directories with subdirectories? |
| 12:02.23 | efloid | n4dir: just files |
| 12:02.45 | n4dir | you sure there are files with the same name in both dirs? |
| 12:03.25 | efloid | n4dir: yes. i somehow got a dir that is recursive under another one, but some of the files might be different |
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| 12:03.41 | efloid | now i need to merge them back but not overwrite any altered files |
| 12:03.55 | n4dir | could probably do something like "for i in dir1/*; do find dir2 -name '$i" (well: or such, only an idea, not a solution) |
| 12:04.04 | n4dir | ah, so with sub directories. urgh . |
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| 12:36.39 | madrik | nkuttler: You mentioned you still use apt-get. Is your reason only historical? |
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| 12:37.31 | nkuttler | madrik: it has simply always worked, that's why it stays my default |
| 12:37.49 | nkuttler | madrik: aptitude is kind of bloated in comparison. i have not formed an opinion about apt yet |
| 12:38.35 | nkuttler | i know people who still use dselect. in the end it doesn't really matter what you use primarily, as long as you know all tools |
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| 13:09.21 | madrik | nkuttler: One thing I have not figured out how to do with apt-get is this: install a package with only some of its recommended packages. |
| 13:09.57 | madrik | Say I want texlive but none of the documentation packages. This is quite easy to do with aptitude. |
| 13:10.11 | madrik | In the curses interface, of course. |
| 13:14.19 | madrik | I have never used dselect myself. |
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| 13:16.40 | madrik | Another point I've questioned myself on is which tool to use in scripts: apt-get or aptitude? |
| 13:17.43 | nkuttler | madrik: you can use --no-recommends and such with apt-get |
| 13:18.35 | at0m | nkuttler: can you hand-pick recommends like in aptitude's curses interface? |
| 13:19.03 | nkuttler | at0m: of course not, but you can install them separately, or explicitly in the same command |
| 13:19.10 | at0m | right |
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| 13:20.36 | madrik | I was presuming there was some other way, maybe supplying a '-' suffix to some package names. |
| 13:20.37 | at0m | and eventually, either way these will be marked as installed manually |
| 13:20.46 | madrik | Anything short of typing them out, really. |
| 13:20.57 | nkuttler | i have just globally disabled recommends |
| 13:21.00 | at0m | not automatically as in automatically installed recommends |
| 13:21.02 | at0m | nkuttler: same |
| 13:21.03 | nkuttler | or was it suggests |
| 13:21.19 | nkuttler | doesn't even remember |
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| 13:22.54 | madrik | nkuttler: That is the point of difference, then: I'm not yet at the point where I'd like to choose _all_ of the Recommends, and so I can't yet live with a global ban on them. |
| 13:23.28 | madrik | Whitelist them, so to speak. |
| 13:25.10 | madrik | Anyhow, I've read a bit of the mailing lists and it looks to me that aptitude is not part of the default package set in Stretch as it was in Jessie. |
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| 13:28.00 | madrik | How often do user-facing tools get deprecated in Debian? |
| 13:28.40 | madrik | I only know of the instance of dselect. |
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| 13:31.54 | madrik | nkuttler: I suppose one other reason people favor apt-get apart from its longevity is its speed compared with aptitude. |
| 13:32.28 | noqnio1 | hey, on stretch, dist-upgrade wants to remove nvidia driver... how can i find out why |
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| 13:41.19 | nkuttler | !tell noqnio1 about debian-next |
| 13:41.37 | nkuttler | madrik: sure, that's why i called aptitude bloated |
| 13:43.51 | madrik | nkuttler: Yes. I ask about deprecation because I'd like to use a basic tool for a very long time. |
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| 13:44.33 | madrik | If aptitude is in danger of decline, then I'd like to seek a long term alternative. |
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| 13:45.56 | madrik | I was using Fedora for a while, since version 20. But within two releases the fundamental tool of package management, namely yum, got thrown out the window. |
| 13:46.33 | madrik | Its replacement is not at the place yum was; and minor differences in operation became quite annoying. |
| 13:47.25 | madrik | That ill-managed change and the fact of its short release cycle turned me away from Fedora as a platform for myself. |
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| 13:48.59 | fp7 | I suppose everyone has different opinions |
| 13:49.04 | madrik | So, if apt-get is less likelier to vanish soon, then that is a strong recommendation for adopting it. |
| 13:49.26 | nkuttler | madrik: in the end apt-get/aptitude/apt use apt (the lib) in the backround |
| 13:49.40 | nkuttler | so, imo, it doesn't really matter which one you use |
| 13:50.29 | nkuttler | apt-get has been around for a very long time, it's the oldest of the tree |
| 13:50.37 | dvs | gets dselect |
| 13:50.54 | nkuttler | does that use the apt backend? |
| 13:51.16 | TomTomTo1 | aptitude was never a replacement for apt-get and apt is meant as a merger of apt-get and apt-cache functionality with improved readability. i also don't think either of those is going to vanish soon. |
| 13:51.39 | nkuttler | eh, "improved" |
| 13:51.50 | TomTomTo1 | well, meant as. |
| 13:51.55 | nkuttler | hehe, yeah |
| 13:52.16 | madrik | I have seen apt's default output ... |
| 13:52.31 | nkuttler | madrik: just apt search foo vs apt-cache search foo |
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| 13:52.44 | madrik | Precisely. |
| 13:52.55 | madrik | It takes some getting used to. |
| 13:53.26 | nkuttler | too many lines for my taste |
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| 13:55.03 | sillyslux | my qemu is crashing when i run `qemu-system-x86_64 -enable-kvm` |
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| 13:55.21 | sillyslux | can somebody please confirm? |
| 13:55.23 | madrik | TomTomTo1: I like aptitude. I've been using it. I like its search syntaxes and its default output where I can know at a glance if a package is installed or not. |
| 13:55.40 | Pavr | sillyslux, i trust you |
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| 13:56.12 | madrik | But I find myself worrying about its future. |
| 13:56.29 | TomTomTo1 | based on what? |
| 13:57.13 | madrik | TomTomTo1: As I mentioned earlier, I understand that there was some uncertainty about the maintainership |
| 13:57.13 | madrik | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:57.31 | sillyslux | ah i'll try in #qemu |
| 13:57.54 | Pavr | sillyslux, try being more specific in your questioning there. |
| 13:58.02 | Pavr | provide more details |
| 13:58.08 | fp7 | ^ |
| 13:58.14 | madrik | And that it's not installed by default in Stretch (and later?) |
| 13:58.55 | sillyslux | just did |
| 13:59.34 | madrik | It could be that I worry without real cause, but it has been lurking in my mind. |
| 13:59.59 | Pavr | not sure why it matters so much to you? if aptitude isn't there use apt-get? |
| 14:00.18 | madrik | I suppose that after the incident with Fedora, I've become (too) cautious. |
| 14:01.20 | Pavr | they are all frontends. nothing drastic is going to happen with the package manager in debian. |
| 14:01.25 | madrik | Pavr: Earlier I mentioned a use case where apt-get has no convenient equivalent for an operation in aptitude. |
| 14:01.33 | madrik | Hence my worry. |
| 14:01.51 | madrik | Among other aspects, of course. |
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| 14:03.32 | TomTomTo1 | so pavr is complaining about a shortcoming of apt-get, not aptitude. |
| 14:03.51 | TomTomTo1 | really, aptitude is not going anywhere. |
| 14:03.59 | Pavr | im not complaining |
| 14:04.30 | Pavr | i am* |
| 14:06.15 | madrik | TomTomTo1: I hope your words remain true; I'll continue to use aptitude. |
| 14:07.22 | madrik | I checked and, indeed, both apt and aptitude depend on libapt-pkg5.0 |
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| 14:08.35 | vkolchev | Hi guys, is there any good screenshot tool with quick edit capabilities and quick net upload for Debian? |
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| 14:10.50 | madrik | vkolchev: Well, I don't know about quick but 'Print Screen' under GNOME saves a screenshot in Pictures; then you can edit it with the program of your choice. |
| 14:11.31 | madrik | Unless you were asking for a comprehensive application that does all those things by itself ... |
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| 14:11.39 | vkolchev | madrik: thank you for your answer. of course I can do it, however it won't be quick if one has to open another program, edit and save and upload |
| 14:11.56 | vkolchev | I actually am searching for alternative for lightshot app for mac and win |
| 14:12.18 | vkolchev | very convenient and I used to use it heavily in my everyday job, saved much time |
| 14:13.01 | madrik | vkolchev: Ah, I don't know of such a thing. Perhaps someone else does. |
| 14:14.30 | elliot007 | vkolchev: have you tried gnome-screenshot? |
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| 14:15.33 | vkolchev | elliot007, no, but as far as I understand it just does screenshot of whole screen without any other capablities |
| 14:15.58 | vkolchev | came across shutter right now, seems to do the trick, however requires couple more steps than lightshot |
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| 14:16.56 | elliot007 | vkolchev: http://imgur.com/a/P4Zo6 |
| 14:17.21 | elliot007 | options in gnome-screenshot, I've never used shutter though |
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| 14:18.03 | vkolchev | elliot007, thank you, will surely look into it |
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| 14:18.20 | elliot007 | vkolchev: no problem |
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| 14:23.54 | Pavr | elliot007, you could also take a look at http://alternativeto.net/software/lightshot/?platform=linux and see if you can find something there you can use |
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| 14:32.13 | SuperSeriousCat | I set up a /etc/systemd/network/ and enabeled systemd-networkd.service and got the IP I wanted. Also disabeled networking.serivce and rebooted. Still my PC get 2 IPs |
| 14:32.40 | SuperSeriousCat | Where do I need to look to remove all but the systemd network IP? |
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| 14:44.42 | vkolchev | Another quick question. I added packagecloud.io repo to install a piece of sofware. Added it via script. Now would like to remove it, and there is no such repo in /etc/apt/sources.list , while the repo is obviously there as long as I see it during apt-get command. |
| 14:45.40 | dvs | check /etc/apt/sources.list.d |
| 14:46.56 | vkolchev | dvs, yes, it has been there, thank you |
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| 14:47.56 | dvs | np |
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| 15:34.37 | contrapunctus | o/ |
| 15:37.21 | Bonn333 | \o |
| 15:37.43 | dvs | _o_ |
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| 15:38.45 | contrapunctus | I log into my machine (XFCE/StumpWM) and the mouse doesn't work, the modeline doesn't appear, and the keyboard commands for StumpWM don't work either (although xscreensaver seems to be working) |
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| 15:39.37 | contrapunctus | *reads ~/.xsession-errors - oh my* |
| 15:39.42 | vfw | contrapunctus: What do you mean, the modeline doesn't appear? |
| 15:40.10 | contrapunctus | StumpWM's modeline. |
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| 15:42.23 | vfw | contrapunctus: There's a #stumpwm channel on irc.freenode.net. |
| 15:43.34 | contrapunctus | Yeah, I know...I just figured this would be a Debian-end thing. |
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| 16:40.22 | nicknitewolf | I have no idea why my bluetooth adapter isnt detected in gnome-bluetooth |
| 16:41.01 | nicknitewolf | Used to have missing bluetooth realtek drivers but I solved them with an install of realtek drivers |
| 16:41.08 | nicknitewolf | Anyone knows what to do? |
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| 17:00.49 | hj6452 | hi |
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| 17:01.29 | hj6452 | I tried googling about the topic... but didn't find anything particularly helpful. Can someone recommend a CAD type 3D modelling program that would allow creating drawings for simple structures..? |
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| 17:08.23 | pcdummy | hj6452: https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/CAD/ |
| 17:09.06 | pcdummy | hj6452: yes, ubuntu .. sorry channel |
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| 17:15.52 | tobiasBora | Hello, |
| 17:16.00 | tobiasBora | I've a computer with a problem : |
| 17:16.26 | TomTomTo1 | most of the cad software listed on that site is packaged for debian too. |
| 17:16.35 | tobiasBora | When I boot the bios gives me The smart hard disk check has detected an imminent failure". |
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| 17:17.52 | tobiasBora | I tried to boot on linux on usb, and their is a very strange thing : the hard drive is not really recognised : lsblk gives me only /dev/sda which looks like a hard drive... and it is only 8Mo ! |
| 17:18.09 | Richard_Cavell | tobiasBora: Yep, you've got a problem |
| 17:18.10 | tobiasBora | I tried Gparted, nothing more |
| 17:18.21 | toruvinn | tobiasBora, it's probably your usb flash drive, is it 8GB perhaps? ;-P |
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| 17:18.42 | tobiasBora | toruvinn: no, it's 8M, and my usb is in /dev/sdb |
| 17:18.52 | tobiasBora | and fdisk -l gives me for /dev/sda : |
| 17:18.52 | toruvinn | hmf. |
| 17:18.54 | tobiasBora | Disque /dev/sda : 8 MiB, 8388608 octets, 16384 secteur |
| 17:19.03 | grawity | can you check `udevadm info /dev/sda` |
| 17:19.04 | tobiasBora | octets = bytes |
| 17:19.14 | tobiasBora | secteur = sector |
| 17:19.17 | tobiasBora | disque = disk |
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| 17:20.17 | pcdummy | tobiasBora: install "smartmontools" on the live system |
| 17:20.24 | toruvinn | i'd also check smartctl -a /dev/sda |
| 17:21.05 | pcdummy | toruvinn: you already did... |
| 17:21.11 | pcdummy | toruvinn: what does it give? |
| 17:21.34 | toruvinn | pcdummy, hm? |
| 17:22.01 | toruvinn | pcdummy, are you sure you're talking to the right person? ;-) |
| 17:22.06 | tobiasBora | is proceeding |
| 17:22.27 | pcdummy | toruvinn: aehm no :) |
| 17:22.44 | pcdummy | toruvinn: aehm i stop chating with all peps at once ... will go one by one :) |
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| 17:22.54 | toruvinn | ;-) |
| 17:23.14 | toruvinn | tobiasBora, out of curiosity, is that an SSD? |
| 17:24.03 | toruvinn | you should really first deremine it's your drive, though. can be anything, although hard to imagine any recent-ish storage with just 8MB, even SD cards are supercheap now so... |
| 17:24.08 | tobiasBora | You can find the output of udevadm info /dev/sda here : |
| 17:24.23 | tobiasBora | http://paste.ubuntu.com/23683321/ |
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| 17:24.38 | toruvinn | it's SSD, heh. |
| 17:25.15 | toruvinn | https://communities.intel.com/thread/49766 :-/ |
| 17:25.46 | toruvinn | tobiasBora, I sure hope you have backups. |
| 17:25.49 | tobiasBora | looks strange indeed |
| 17:26.39 | tobiasBora | it's a HP pavilion dm4, so I don't think it's a SSD. |
| 17:26.58 | toruvinn | tobiasBora, according to those forums (didnt read all of it!) it's possible you just have a firmware bug and flashing new firmware may fix the SSD (im guessing, though, you'll lose the data) |
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| 17:27.10 | pcdummy | toruvinn, tobiasBora: that one is bad (40GB Intel SSD bug) |
| 17:27.37 | toruvinn | tobiasBora, well INTEL_SSDSA2BW160G3H_BAD_CTX_0000013F suggests it is. the BAD_CTX_0000013F serial can be caused by that bug, as seen on those forums. |
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| 17:28.48 | tobiasBora | it looks so strnage for me it's a ssd, but it's not my computer |
| 17:30.43 | toruvinn | https://communities.intel.com/thread/24205 also see this. |
| 17:31.09 | toruvinn | tobiasBora, i'm not sure how to answer that. all the signs point to you having that drive, so saying it's a different one... well, can't help you ;-P |
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| 17:32.49 | tobiasBora | The computer is a HP Pavilion dm4, on the internet it's supposed to be a 750Go hard drive, strange |
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| 17:40.27 | tobiasBora | I'll halt the drive and check the reference on the drive |
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| 17:45.42 | tobiasBora | I can read "Ronaldo HDD Cable" |
| 17:45.51 | tobiasBora | on the connector... |
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| 17:49.01 | hj6452 | Thanks tobias & TomTom |
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| 17:58.13 | tobiasBora | Indeed, it's a 160G SSD. |
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| 17:58.58 | traker | hi |
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| 17:59.27 | traker | algun español? |
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| 18:00.18 | tobiasBora | and unfortunatly my friend does not have backup in the last 2 months, so it would be great if it's possible to recover some data on it |
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| 18:07.15 | tobiasBora | Here is the smartctl output |
| 18:07.33 | tobiasBora | http://paste.ubuntu.com/23683501/ |
| 18:08.40 | tobiasBora | I will try the firmware flash, but I don't know how to do that, any idea would be welcome |
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| 18:18.25 | kocane | odd thing happening on my server.. when i write reboot or shutdown -r now it does not show the broadcast message that it is shutting down |
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| 18:18.32 | newcoder | There is a command "which" , which package contains "which" command? |
| 18:19.07 | kocane | instead, it just looks like it "re-logins" into ssh, i.e. it shows the welcome message and all that and lets me type commands but after 10 seconds time it just stops working, meaning that the server is actaully restarting |
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| 18:22.01 | Its_over_9000 | is there a way i could get portage to work on debian? |
| 18:22.10 | TomTomTo1 | ,file bin/which |
| 18:22.13 | judd | Search for bin/which in jessie/amd64: debianutils: bin/which, usr/bin/which |
| 18:22.19 | TomTomTo1 | newcoder: ^ |
| 18:22.25 | Its_over_9000 | newcoder: not you again |
| 18:22.41 | Its_over_9000 | stop going around in channels and asking this |
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| 18:24.22 | newcoder | TomTomTo1: /bin/which: POSIX shell script, ASCII text executable , how is it installed here in /bin ? |
| 18:24.32 | newcoder | When does it install /bin/which? |
| 18:25.14 | TomTomTo1 | it comes with the package debianutils, which the debian installer installs. |
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| 18:27.04 | oty | ho my. I have a debian box that was supposed to only work with a private cert given on a certain port. Now I just saw that I could login as any user on any port, with no key or password at all, and it works. What the hell did I miss in the /etc/sshd config ? :( |
| 18:27.23 | hever | Hello. It seems my Luks header of an encrypted disk was corrupted. But I still know the password and want to open the data, can I somehow restore it or just skip it and force to openit? |
| 18:27.25 | grawity | "on any port"? how does *that* work? |
| 18:27.52 | grawity | hever: the header contains the actual encryption keys required for opening it; a password isn't enough |
| 18:28.00 | hever | oh no |
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| 18:28.21 | oty | grawity, I have no idea. it's not supposed to work that way :p |
| 18:28.33 | hever | It might be, that the header was just moved as it seems there is a header when I perform a search and hexdump it. |
| 18:28.53 | oty | grawity, this server also host a webserver on port 80. But I can connect with ssh -p 80 |
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| 18:29.03 | oty | I have no clue what is hapenning there. |
| 18:29.07 | hever | grawity, it gives me: "Device /dev/sda1 is not a valid LUKS device." |
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| 18:29.44 | hever | root@workstation:~# hexdump -C /dev/sda | grep '|LUKS' gives me: 00040000 4c 55 4b 53 ba be 00 01 61 65 73 00 00 00 00 00 |LUKS....aes.....| |
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| 18:29.55 | hever | so it seems its still there? |
| 18:30.03 | hever | but perhaps just a bit corrupted? |
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| 18:31.18 | jelly | hever, does your sda1 partition start on 512th sector? |
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| 18:31.51 | hever | jelly, no: /dev/sda1 2048 11702087646 11702085599 5.5T Linux filesystem |
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| 18:34.19 | tobiasBora | I found the process to update the firmware. I will test it, but if you have any idea to recover the data, I would be happy to hear about it |
| 18:34.24 | hever | jelly, but losetup -o 512 /dev/loop1 /dev/sda and cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/loop1 data give me as well Device /dev/loop1 is not a valid LUKS device. |
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| 18:34.48 | hever | so just to be clear: the header seems still to be there right? and I just have to find the right starting sector? |
| 18:35.05 | jelly | hever, well then, you won't be able to see that LUKS header starting before the parttion. |
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| 18:36.37 | hever | jelly, sry didn't understand you, what do you mean? |
| 18:37.50 | jelly | hever, far as I can tell, 0x40000 bytes is 512x512 bytes, and my working luks device has that right right at the beginning |
| 18:38.49 | jelly | hever, which unit does losetup -o take? |
| 18:39.23 | hever | The data start is moved offset bytes into the specified file or device. |
| 18:39.30 | jelly | so, bytes |
| 18:39.48 | jelly | give it 0x40000 (262144) then, not 512 |
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| 18:41.41 | hever | whow... could decrypt it, great! now I've to repair the fs... |
| 18:42.00 | jelly | you'll want to repair your partition table |
| 18:44.06 | hever | jelly, definetly... but I'm still getting: e2fsck: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/mapper/data |
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| 18:44.44 | jelly | tread carefully |
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| 18:46.18 | jelly | hever, which debian release is this? Did you have LVM in place or just LUKS? |
| 18:46.21 | hever | jelly, I already tried alternate superblocks, but just the ones that where specified there as example |
| 18:46.27 | hever | debian8 |
| 18:46.32 | hever | no lvm |
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| 18:48.06 | jelly | what does "blockdev --getsize64 /dev/mapper/data" say and does it look like the right size for your filesystem? |
| 18:48.50 | jelly | hever, pastebin the outputs of "lsblk" and "blkid" and "pvs" for good measure |
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| 18:50.51 | hever | jelly, http://pastebin.com/kNaw522s |
| 18:51.26 | hever | I'm trying to access an ext4 partition on a cryptsetup luks encrypted RAID device |
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| 18:54.42 | jelly | interesting, blkid did not find any format on /dev/mapper/data |
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| 18:55.44 | jelly | hever, what does "file -Ls /dev/mapper/data" say? |
| 18:56.08 | Torvalds | i claimed this nick!! |
| 18:56.41 | hever | jelly, I just tried mke2fs -n /dev/mapper/data to determine other superblock position but it seems none is working... |
| 18:56.43 | jelly | Torvalds, good for you. Do you have a Debian tech support question? |
| 18:57.19 | Torvalds | yes, i asked it but noone answered me. |
| 18:57.57 | hever | jelly, /dev/mapper/data: data |
| 18:59.13 | jelly | Torvalds, what was it? I can't be bothered to track your nickname changes |
| 18:59.59 | jelly | hever, maybe the luks header you found wasn't the only/right one |
| 19:00.00 | Torvalds | 2:01 <Its_over_9000> is there a way i could get portage to work on debian? |
| 19:00.19 | Torvalds | or something similar, besides having dpkg for binaries? |
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| 19:00.54 | jelly | !portage |
| 19:00.54 | dpkg | methinks portage is the gentoo's bsd style ports system written in python |
| 19:00.56 | OverCoder | Hello everyone |
| 19:01.20 | jelly | Torvalds, what's your goal getting a source-based system running? |
| 19:01.23 | hever | jelly, it knew my password... and it made sense where it was, right... |
| 19:01.26 | teraflops | dpkg-source and build the package |
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| 19:03.30 | jelly | hever, I guess you'll have to search for something that looks like ext4 inside /dev/mapper/data |
| 19:04.44 | hever | I'm trying testdisk at the moment ... do you have an idea what I could search? |
| 19:04.55 | jelly | Torvalds, usually people who experiment rebuilding the whole debian do it by setting up the debian buildd system, this is part of how a new architecture is bootstrapped |
| 19:05.26 | teraflops | I know a christmas carol: roses are red, violets are blue, if you don't mind compile times, install gentoo |
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| 19:06.14 | jelly | hever, something that looks like an ext4 superblock? |
| 19:06.41 | jelly | gpart may or may not be helpful. I used it a long time ago |
| 19:06.43 | Ticho_ | hever: what about "vgscan" or "pvscan"? perhaps that devmapper device is a lvm volume |
| 19:07.01 | hever | Ticho_, its no lvm volume it was a simple ext4 partition |
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| 19:07.03 | jelly | I did ask for "pvs" output. |
| 19:07.31 | jelly | hever, do you have the root filesystem for that installation, can you pastebin /etc/fstab ? |
| 19:08.02 | hever | its not listed in /etc/fstab it's a RAID data partition manually set up |
| 19:08.20 | jelly | do you mount it manually on every boot? |
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| 19:09.26 | hever | jelly, I just set up the system, and it's a big raid array (which will be extended) and I'm using a password to encrypt it when I'm using it |
| 19:09.35 | hever | decrypt |
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| 19:09.52 | jelly | hever, and you do not have /etc/crypttab either? |
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| 19:10.15 | hever | not yet... for two other devices, not for this |
| 19:10.19 | LinuxNovice | hello, can anybody tell me which distro or DE is suitable for raspberry pi? |
| 19:10.37 | jelly | hever, did you have any unique data on that fs? |
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| 19:10.59 | hever | but I'm sure whats on it... and I'm very thankful that we got so far to be able to decrypt it. I just have to reconstruct the filesystem somehow |
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| 19:11.25 | jelly | hever, do you know which tool has broken the partition table? |
| 19:11.40 | hever | jelly, yes I just migrated an old softraid to this new hardware raid, during adding the disks of the old array to the new one a problem occoured. |
| 19:12.02 | jelly | so you don't have the old copy any more? |
| 19:12.11 | teraflops | LinuxNovice: which model? |
| 19:12.15 | TomTomTo1 | LinuxNovice: the ones they feature on their website. https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/ further help in #raspbian if you choose that. |
| 19:12.22 | jelly | hever, and I suppose you don't have any backups? |
| 19:12.34 | hever | I already restored the array to this state without writing to the data, so just metadata should be written |
| 19:13.00 | hever | jelly, exactly. it was to extend the 5TB array... I had no options for backing up 5TB |
| 19:13.45 | jelly | hever, is it possible you mismanaged the geometry / array member order during this restore of the array? |
| 19:13.54 | LinuxNovice | I don't know exactly which model it is. Actually, my friend has it and is in need of a Linux os for it. |
| 19:14.10 | LinuxNovice | is debian suited for it? |
| 19:14.25 | teraflops | LinuxNovice: tell your friend to ask himself we don't bite |
| 19:14.29 | hever | jelly, I assume there can't be a copy of the luks header... there can be just one and this must be the right one. It worked with my password, it accepted it. So at the moment I think im one step before restoring the ext4 data. |
| 19:14.31 | jelly | hever, this might be why luks header is seemingly in the wrong place |
| 19:14.46 | hever | I think cryptsetup should have told me if the decryption would have a problem? |
| 19:14.49 | jelly | luks isn't very smart. |
| 19:15.13 | LinuxNovice | I came across this channel, as I use linux more often. Thought of helping him out. |
| 19:15.52 | jelly | it will just transcript data from encrypted to decrypted, but _I think_ it does not know if the encrypted blocks are in wrong order |
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| 19:16.44 | hever | might be that the decryption had a problem... can I verify this somehow? |
| 19:17.28 | jelly | hever, again, luks isn't that smart |
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| 19:17.45 | jelly | if you managed to luksOpen, that's it |
| 19:18.03 | LinuxNovice | and btw, can I make debian run on an android tablet through a live usb? or any other linux disto? |
| 19:18.36 | exa_ways | how can I find out the name of a package if apt search nameOfInstalledSoftware does not show anything at all? |
| 19:18.47 | grawity | LinuxNovice: on bare hardware â with great difficulties; Debian probably doesn't have drivers for 90% of the tablet's hardware |
| 19:18.53 | grawity | LinuxNovice: nor for that matter most other distros |
| 19:19.05 | grawity | exa_ways: dpkg -S /usr/bin/whatever |
| 19:20.11 | jelly | hever, see if someone in #device-mapper or #lvm has a clue wrt verifying sanity of luks, that probably the closest to cryptsetup/luks |
| 19:20.15 | LinuxNovice | ok |
| 19:20.38 | jelly | exa_ways, apt-cache search keyword |
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| 19:25.00 | exa_ways | ah thanks. guess I need glasses. It was a capital I not a l. =) |
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| 19:26.24 | styler2go | Hi i have 3 HDDs in one LVM and want to reinstall linux on the 4th HDD. Is there soemthing i need to backup so that i won't lose the data on my LVM HDDs? |
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| 19:32.09 | hever | jelly, hmm... perhaps somethin was corrupted I just don't get why it could be encrypted then. thanks anyway! |
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| 19:33.38 | lawnodor | fuck you crooked nigger dick suckin Nazi/Jew little girl murdering trash...you goddamn bastards don't fuckin deserve to live. |
| 19:33.44 | jelly | hever, there is no "legal" or "illegal" data for encryption with luks. You can write random data in the middle of your encrypted devices, then luksOpen it, and _something_ will be decrypted |
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| 19:34.03 | lawnodor | you try to steal the wives of doctors and hand them to murderers...fuck you goddamn scum |
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| 19:34.48 | hever | jelly, yes... but the header was there so the data should be as well, as I didn't modify anythin on the data side... just metadata... I think its some searching around thing... |
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| 19:35.39 | hever | jelly, interstingly I can't rechange the partition layout. I want to start at 2 but I could only start a 2048 |
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| 19:35.48 | hever | when I'm recreating the partition table |
| 19:35.57 | jelly | which tool are you using |
| 19:36.02 | hever | fdisk |
| 19:36.19 | jelly | fdisk, on a 6TB device? |
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| 19:36.35 | jelly | does it work with gpt these days? |
| 19:36.40 | hever | why not it's GPT capable... |
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| 19:37.19 | jelly | switch to sectors as units |
| 19:38.35 | jelly | your data is probably there, but possibly mixed up |
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| 19:38.52 | hever | it seems fdisk has no longer that option... |
| 19:38.54 | hever | yes |
| 19:39.22 | jelly | does it still have expert mode |
| 19:39.42 | hever | yes but somehow not that much in it... |
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| 19:42.08 | hever | jelly, gpart shows: First usable sector is 34, last usable sector is 11702087646 |
| 19:42.17 | hever | so I can't change the partition... |
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| 19:44.23 | jelly | hever, what do you mean you can't? The current first sector is 2048, and you can delete the partition and create a new one starting at 512 |
| 19:45.05 | hever | hmm I thought Logical sector size: 512 bytes means I've to start at 2 |
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| 19:45.19 | hever | but of course |
| 19:45.22 | hever | got it |
| 19:45.25 | jelly | how the fuck does that make sense |
| 19:45.30 | hever | sry ;) |
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| 19:47.01 | jelly | my theory is still the geometry got borked somehow, that would explain the unusual starting point and also nothing found after decrypting |
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| 19:47.28 | jelly | s/nothing/no filesystem header/ |
| 19:47.47 | hever | I'm with you |
| 19:48.24 | jelly | that would mean you still ought to be able to find that ext4 superblock, but probably not be able to mount |
| 19:49.28 | hever | yes I really should be able to find the ext4 stuff... |
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| 19:50.18 | jelly | if that is true, you'll have to figure out the correct geometry (order of array members, stripe size, offset for the hw raid format) to be able to reassemble stuff in right order |
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| 19:51.07 | jelly | which... sounds fun from an "thank $DEITY _I_ don't have to do it" point of view |
| 19:51.21 | hever | jelly, ah intersting... you think probably the devices were assebled in the wrong order? |
| 19:51.32 | jelly | that's a working theory |
| 19:51.35 | hever | yes |
| 19:51.42 | exa_ways | Second day I have not visited the old wife osx grumpy cougar. And I do not miss her at all. Only thing maybe textmate... |
| 19:51.45 | hever | its a bit hard to tell the adapter the order... |
| 19:51.48 | hever | thanks |
| 19:53.26 | hever | hmm but the order shouldn't really matter... |
| 19:53.32 | hever | it's RAID 5 |
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| 20:32.14 | pcdummy | hiyo: I'm not using netfilter-persistent, but did you check the logs? |
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| 21:52.23 | n4dir | i tried to post in vim, let me try here, if in doubt ignore (that is: vim question): |
| 21:52.27 | n4dir | how can i remove all <(date)><name>: i copied and pasted to a file. Like this: (10:27:14 PM) n4dir: thank you (-> result should be "thank you") |
| 21:53.54 | n4dir | try and error, finally: :%s/.*://g --- sorry for the noise |
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| 22:12.03 | roadrunna | having trouble installing nvidia latest drivers on debian jessie 4.8 kernel. noveaou seems to be unstable for kodi and crashes on me. |
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| 22:13.46 | Vizva | you have optimus ? |
| 22:14.00 | Vizva | roadrunna |
| 22:14.17 | roadrunna | Don;t think so. |
| 22:14.29 | Vizva | only one nvidia |
| 22:14.39 | roadrunna | Have an old geforce 560 Ti. |
| 22:14.45 | roadrunna | yes one nvidia |
| 22:14.45 | teraflops | nouveau uses kernel driver and youre using a backported kernel |
| 22:15.08 | roadrunna | I see. |
| 22:15.19 | teraflops | just saying |
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| 22:15.23 | teraflops | ,v kodi |
| 22:15.24 | judd | Package: kodi on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 16.1+dfsg1-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 2:17.0~beta5+dfsg1-4; sid: 2:17.0~beta6+dfsg1-1; jessie-multimedia: 5:14.2+repack-dmo1b2; sid-multimedia: 5:16.1-dmo8 |
| 22:15.59 | roadrunna | How would I correct this? |
| 22:16.26 | teraflops | no idea, you didn't specify the error/s |
| 22:17.01 | roadrunna | Weel was just looking to install nvidia. Havent looked at logs or anything. |
| 22:17.08 | roadrunna | well* |
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| 22:17.20 | martinjungblut | roadrunna: do you have experience installing proprietary nvidia drivers? |
| 22:17.39 | roadrunna | In other distors yes. I'm pretty new to debian. |
| 22:17.50 | martinjungblut | roadrunna: get the nvidia-driver package |
| 22:18.02 | RichardG867 | hey all, I'm trying to install debian in some bay trail motherboard (I'm well aware of the kernel bugs with those) but it's being surprisingly stubborn with regards to grub |
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| 22:18.22 | martinjungblut | roadrunna: it will install all the dependencies you need and blacklist nouveau in /etc/modprobe.d |
| 22:18.24 | RichardG867 | the system installs successfully, but grub won't start, it just sits at a blinking cursor a line down. |
| 22:18.38 | RichardG867 | the motherboard has no BIOS updates available |
| 22:18.43 | RichardG867 | I guess syslinux can be a workaround? |
| 22:18.50 | roadrunna | yes I tried but I get http://pastebin.com/PCgPMVZf |
| 22:20.34 | Vizva | https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 22:20.43 | Vizva | did you read that |
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| 22:21.20 | roadrunna | do the drivers listed there work for the 4.8 kernel? |
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| 22:23.33 | Vizva | is your kernel from jessie-backports? |
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| 22:24.02 | roadrunna | 4.8.0-2-amd64 |
| 22:24.06 | roadrunna | Not too sure. |
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| 22:24.17 | teraflops | ,v nvidia-diver |
| 22:24.18 | judd | No package named 'nvidia-diver' was found in amd64. |
| 22:24.27 | teraflops | oops |
| 22:24.31 | teraflops | ,v nvidia-driver |
| 22:24.32 | judd | Package: nvidia-driver on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.96-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.96-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 367.57-2~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 375.20-4; sid/non-free: 375.26-1 |
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| 22:25.32 | roadrunna | Do I need to add stretch to my sources list? |
| 22:25.44 | roadrunna | Not sure what I'm looking at |
| 22:25.45 | teraflops | roadrunna: you didn't paste the command you run, it was with -t jessie-backports or without it? |
| 22:25.57 | roadrunna | without |
| 22:27.50 | teraflops | roadrunna: to be honest I dont run debian on desktops but it seems to me you need -t jessie backports, anyway im pretty sure here is people with more knowledge than me regarding your issue |
| 22:28.02 | Vizva | for me with such a problem i will do a search for "4.8.0-2-amd64 NVIDIA" and read everything and later understand it |
| 22:28.24 | roadrunna | Yeah I usually don;t either just thought I'd give it a try and see how well it works. |
| 22:28.27 | Vizva | Add jessie-backports to your /etc/apt/sources.list, for example: |
| 22:28.35 | Vizva | you have this on your sources? |
| 22:29.01 | roadrunna | yes |
| 22:29.29 | Vizva | Or if you are already using a Linux kernel from jessie-backports: |
| 22:29.29 | Vizva | # apt-get install -t jessie-backports linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') |
| 22:29.35 | Vizva | and this for example |
| 22:29.51 | Vizva | you did ? |
| 22:30.05 | roadrunna | linux-headers-amd64 is already the newest version (4.8+77 |
| 22:30.23 | Vizva | Then we can install the package nvidia-driver. |
| 22:30.24 | Vizva | # apt-get update |
| 22:30.24 | Vizva | # apt-get install -t jessie-backports nvidia-driver |
| 22:30.32 | Vizva | you did too? |
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| 22:30.37 | roadrunna | yes,sir. |
| 22:30.44 | roadrunna | Was reading that guide |
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| 22:30.58 | Vizva | and you restart |
| 22:31.06 | Vizva | wht say the rror now? |
| 22:31.11 | Vizva | error |
| 22:31.26 | roadrunna | Depends: xserver-xorg-video-nvidia (= 367.57-2~bpo8+1) but it is not going to be installed |
| 22:32.03 | roadrunna | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
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| 22:32.52 | Vizva | its not jessie you run? |
| 22:32.57 | unborn | ....just note: btw 340.96 for nvidia even from backports not working at least for me, system will get silently broken packages.. installation will stuck on setting some part of driver forever.. |
| 22:33.25 | roadrunna | Yes Debian 8 |
| 22:33.41 | unborn | roadrunna: which one you are installing? 340.96 or other one? |
| 22:34.08 | roadrunna | I tried 3.40 bt was getting unresolved symbols when loading it on the 4.8 kernel |
| 22:34.15 | roadrunna | 340 I mean |
| 22:34.50 | pfred1 | roadrunna try running depmod -a |
| 22:34.54 | roadrunna | k |
| 22:35.13 | roadrunna | didn;t return anything |
| 22:35.21 | pfred1 | does it work now? |
| 22:35.57 | unborn | yeah roadrunna same here.. my hardware is old a bit and I had no luck to install it.. (my gfc is listed there as supported) and I tried both on fresh installs.. |
| 22:36.52 | roadrunna | Im on nouveau pfred1 my issues is trying to install nvidia proprietary driver. |
| 22:37.18 | pfred1 | yeah I've heard they dropped upport |
| 22:37.23 | pfred1 | support even |
| 22:37.48 | roadrunna | which is bad cause nouveau seems to be causing me problems |
| 22:38.00 | unborn | yap I think same |
| 22:38.04 | pfred1 | I never liked nouveau |
| 22:38.06 | roadrunna | kodi keeps crashing and desktop is pretty usntable chromium crashes |
| 22:38.35 | unborn | whats the graphics roadrunna ? |
| 22:38.58 | roadrunna | I guess downgrading kernel to use the 340 drivers is an option. |
| 22:39.07 | roadrunna | gtx 560 Ti |
| 22:39.11 | pfred1 | or you can use the run file |
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| 22:39.19 | unborn | ah |
| 22:39.33 | roadrunna | run file works? |
| 22:39.42 | roadrunna | hmm |
| 22:39.43 | pfred1 | but using the run file is a pain because everytime the kernel gets upgraded you have to reinstall it |
| 22:39.44 | towo` | don't use the run file |
| 22:40.00 | towo` | pfred1, wrong |
| 22:40.13 | pfred1 | towo` whtever you say |
| 22:40.22 | towo` | kernel updates do nogt make problems, since the run file provide dkms support |
| 22:40.34 | pfred1 | but in my experience that's what happens when you install the run file |
| 22:40.46 | towo` | the problems begin with x-server or mesa updatates |
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| 22:41.20 | pfred1 | so you just pin everything so it doesn't upgrade |
| 22:41.31 | unborn | roadrunna: you can get it work from file on nvidia website, if there is install file but if anything will be updated in future in xorg or anything to do with it, then it will break it up.. I use NVIDIA Corporation GF119M [NVS 4200M] - terrible crap for linux, however since its quadro I am able to intel part on it |
| 22:41.38 | towo` | why? debian provides nvidia-driver |
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| 22:42.21 | pfred1 | in testing they dropped support for 340 |
| 22:42.24 | roadrunna | Yes ,but Im having problems installing it |
| 22:42.54 | towo` | gtx560 does not need the legacy driver |
| 22:43.17 | unborn | roadrunna: as I said, I was not able to install it.. installation process just hang out forever and never finished |
| 22:43.35 | roadrunna | accoridng to the supported page it does not. Im trying to get 375-26-1 but encounter errors |
| 22:43.38 | towo` | 367.57-2~bpo8 from backports should work fine |
| 22:43.42 | unborn | means it does not working.. so I think I am not alone |
| 22:44.17 | roadrunna | nvidia-driver : Depends: xserver-xorg-video-nvidia (= 367.57-2~bpo8+1) but it is not going to be installed |
| 22:44.35 | towo` | roadrunna, what are you doing? |
| 22:44.40 | Vizva | this driver you try is legacy? |
| 22:44.55 | towo` | 367.xx is not a legacy one |
| 22:44.55 | roadrunna | trying to install nvidia proprietary driver |
| 22:45.05 | roadrunna | to work for 4.8 kernel |
| 22:45.09 | towo` | roadrunna, show the complete command you use |
| 22:45.26 | roadrunna | sudo apt-get install -t jessie-backports nvidia-driver |
| 22:46.22 | towo` | what does 'apt -t jessie-backports install xserver-xorg-video-nvidia nvidia-driver' say? |
| 22:47.37 | roadrunna | http://pastebin.com/pSmdJsWh |
| 22:47.54 | roadrunna | another list of dependencies it can not install. |
| 22:48.44 | towo` | roadrunna, you are sure you have a clean jessie running? |
| 22:49.00 | towo` | what does apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-core say? |
| 22:49.12 | pfred1 | likes loose dirty Jessy |
| 22:49.22 | roadrunna | server-xorg-core: |
| 22:49.22 | roadrunna | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:49.23 | roadrunna | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:49.34 | Vizva | i think you should use an older driver# |
| 22:49.36 | towo` | that's not jessie |
| 22:49.44 | Vizva | use=try |
| 22:49.44 | towo` | Vizva, wrong |
| 22:49.53 | nkuttler | ,v server-xorg-core |
| 22:49.54 | judd | No package named 'server-xorg-core' was found in amd64. |
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| 22:50.04 | nkuttler | ,v xserver-xorg-core |
| 22:50.05 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-core on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:1.12.4-6+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 2:1.12.4-6+deb7u6; jessie: 2:1.16.4-1; stretch: 2:1.19.0-2; sid: 2:1.19.0-3 |
| 22:50.25 | nkuttler | !tell roadrunna about debian-next |
| 22:50.26 | roadrunna | It sure was debian 8 when I installed it not sure if all this messing around screwed it up |
| 22:50.52 | towo` | roadrunna, xserver 1.19 is not in stable |
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| 22:51.12 | towo` | and 367.xx will never work with that xserver version |
| 22:51.41 | roadrunna | what version do I need? How can I install it? |
| 22:51.42 | pfred1 | I had that problem with intel gfx |
| 22:51.43 | towo` | you would need 375.20 or 375.26 |
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| 22:51.50 | Vizva | this is what i want to say alll the time, update your system to the last |
| 22:51.59 | roadrunna | yes I tried getting those too I can post the error |
| 22:52.02 | towo` | Vizva, wrong |
| 22:52.27 | towo` | people who don't know, what thy do, shouldn't use testing or unstable |
| 22:52.37 | x_ | truth |
| 22:52.45 | x_ | i've been that guy more than once |
| 22:52.49 | Vizva | i dont say unstable |
| 22:52.52 | roadrunna | http://pastebin.com/F15punV0 |
| 22:52.52 | unborn | me too :) |
| 22:53.02 | Vizva | update to stable but update |
| 22:53.11 | pfred1 | I ran testing once when stable was broken |
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| 22:53.41 | martinjungblut | pfred1: stable was broken and testing was more stable? |
| 22:53.51 | pfred1 | martinjungblut that day it was |
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| 22:54.10 | martinjungblut | I've ran sid for about two years without any issues, but moved to stable in order to stay in sync with our servers |
| 22:54.12 | pfred1 | it was the day before Squeeze came out |
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| 22:54.22 | Vizva | update to the last in stable and try again |
| 22:54.34 | Serbian | merry christmas |
| 22:54.51 | towo` | Vizva, if he would have stable, he would not have xserver 1.19 |
| 22:55.02 | x_ | happy holidays, Serbian |
| 22:55.06 | towo` | Vizva, so he at minimum has testing |
| 22:55.08 | Serbian | thx |
| 22:55.12 | pfred1 | theoretically the X server should have been able to handle my graphics adapter yet it couldn't |
| 22:55.14 | Vizva | it looks like he have a confusing system |
| 22:55.15 | Serbian | but i celebrate 7 january |
| 22:55.30 | roadrunna | Maybe that was a result of a guide I was following in order to install the nvidia driver Not sure if I messed up my sources list |
| 22:55.36 | Vizva | if it confuse me so i set up again |
| 22:55.45 | towo` | roadrunna, you sure have |
| 22:55.55 | Vizva | fresh install and before backup your data |
| 22:56.22 | roadrunna | If I do that do I need jessie backports nvidia driver? |
| 22:56.42 | towo` | yes |
| 22:56.42 | pfred1 | just run Jessie |
| 22:57.03 | Vizva | make it fresh so it stop confuse everything |
| 22:57.17 | roadrunna | Is there a way to just fix my system the way it is and go back to stable packages only? |
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| 22:58.52 | Vizva | we dont know all your actions |
| 22:58.56 | Vizva | in the past |
| 22:59.07 | Vizva | so we cannot give this information |
| 22:59.11 | Vizva | you must give |
| 22:59.46 | roadrunna | Thought it might just be as simple as fixing my sources file |
| 22:59.57 | roadrunna | or something but if I have to fresh install I will |
| 23:00.09 | pfred1 | the trouble is your database depends on newer versions now |
| 23:00.30 | unborn | roadrunna: can you please paste output of this command: lsb_release -a |
| 23:00.35 | pfred1 | you're in dependency hell ATM |
| 23:00.36 | roadrunna | k |
| 23:00.59 | roadrunna | o LSB modules are available. |
| 23:00.59 | roadrunna | Distributor ID:Debian |
| 23:00.59 | roadrunna | Description:Debian GNU/Linux stable-updates (sid) |
| 23:00.59 | roadrunna | Release:stable-updates |
| 23:00.59 | roadrunna | Codename:sid |
| 23:01.00 | pfred1 | the easiest way out is ot just start fresh |
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| 23:01.17 | unborn | sid.. so he is using unstable |
| 23:01.28 | pfred1 | the child with broken toys |
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| 23:01.40 | unborn | roadrunna - use pastebin or something else.. |
| 23:01.47 | pfred1 | they got kicked |
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| 23:02.47 | unborn | as someone else mentioned he wont be able to install it on release which is not ready yet.. time saved ;) |
| 23:03.17 | unborn | roadrunna: next time use pastebin or something so you wont get kicked out. |
| 23:03.26 | roadrunna | yeah sorry. |
| 23:03.40 | styks1987 | I am trying to set a specific color for my prompt in bash, however, when I reach the end of the line, it starts to overwrite the line instead of wrapping. Any suggestions? |
| 23:04.01 | grawity | wrap the color codes in \[ \] |
| 23:04.24 | styks1987 | https://paste.debian.net/904723/ |
| 23:04.28 | unborn | roadrunna: as said message in this paste posted by you: http://pastebin.com/F15punV0 - Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. |
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| 23:05.00 | styks1987 | grawity: so escape the [? |
| 23:05.06 | grawity | no |
| 23:05.10 | unborn | and you running sid, which I think was not yet released (perhaps I am wrong.. let me check that) |
| 23:05.13 | grawity | wrap the whole color code in \[ and \] |
| 23:05.52 | pfred1 | unborn Sid never gets released it is rolling testing |
| 23:06.21 | pfred1 | well unstable |
| 23:06.22 | Vizva | you test sid and you test us ;) |
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| 23:06.55 | unborn | pfred1: ah.. that makes sense why I am not seeing it in next releases.. so yes roadrunna, you wont be able to install it on this one I think.. sorry. |
| 23:07.18 | CharlieBrown | not being able to use Sid is why I am switching to Parabola |
| 23:07.30 | pfred1 | you can use Sid |
| 23:07.37 | n4dir | how can one not be able to use Sid? |
| 23:07.41 | pfred1 | but when it breaks its on you |
| 23:07.46 | CharlieBrown | I'm too lazy to use Sid |
| 23:07.50 | unborn | you can use sid |
| 23:08.04 | Vizva | its a lot of work and all the time come here and ask questions ;) |
| 23:08.06 | roadrunna | I guess the dist-upgrade wasnt a good idea |
| 23:08.09 | CharlieBrown | and everyone complains at me for being lazu |
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| 23:08.39 | pfred1 | people that run Sid should not have to ask quesitons they should be able to come up with their own answers |
| 23:08.41 | unborn | roadrunna: just install jessie or current stable release |
| 23:08.53 | unborn | roadrunna: |
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| 23:09.06 | unborn | https://www.debian.org/releases/ ^^^ |
| 23:09.14 | CharlieBrown | pfred1 backports is not good enough. |
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| 23:09.33 | pfred1 | CharlieBrown not good enough for what? |
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| 23:09.48 | n4dir | for chat on IRC ... |
| 23:10.02 | x_ | speaking of xorg and drivers, i'm wondering how long it will be until debian ships wayland default instead of X, I've heard good things about it |
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| 23:10.36 | martinjungblut | x_: probably some more years |
| 23:10.36 | unborn | roadrunna: if you are on hexchat click on window and in bottom of menu, system info.. next time that will make things much cleared in irc - for help from others |
| 23:10.47 | pfred1 | Xfree86 4evah! |
| 23:10.58 | CharlieBrown | pfred1 for having a modern system with KDE Connect and other wonderful modern programs |
| 23:11.01 | martinjungblut | x_: I'm pretty sure there are things out there that Wayland doesn't do yet, or driver compatibility isn't that good so far |
| 23:11.18 | pfred1 | CharlieBrown I personally can't stand the new KDE I run Trinity |
| 23:11.46 | martinjungblut | x_: I'm speculating, but X is old and stable, it will take a while for its replacement to settle in |
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| 23:12.03 | CharlieBrown | I finally jumped on the ktrain *because* of plasma5. |
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| 23:12.10 | x_ | martinjungblut: yeah, there are still graphics issues with wayland |
| 23:12.20 | pfred1 | which ain't as retro as my buddy DJ is who still runs fvwm |
| 23:12.27 | CharlieBrown | I can't stand 4. and its unsupported now |
| 23:12.33 | n4dir | martinjungblut: being old and stable doesn't seem to be an argument anymore ... |
| 23:13.07 | martinjungblut | n4dir: not sure what you mean |
| 23:13.14 | mtn | stretch has gnome with wayland right now. by default |
| 23:13.45 | pfred1 | n4dir no one is going to argue with DJ he maintains GCC |
| 23:13.49 | n4dir | martinjungblut: there was a rather new init system just implemented as the default. That is what i meant. (a silly joke, just ignore) |
| 23:14.00 | roadrunna | Client: HexChat 2.12.3 ⢠OS: Debian stretch/sid ⢠CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) X4 860K Quad Core Processor (1.70GHz) ⢠Memory: Physical: 7.6 GiB Total (6.3 GiB Free) Swap: 4.5 GiB Total (4.5 GiB Free) ⢠Storage: 1.1 TB / 2.0 TB (902.9 GB Free) ⢠VGA: NVIDIA Corporation GF116 [GeForce GTX 550 Ti] @ Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 15h ⢠Uptime: 1h 40m 20s |
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| 23:14.32 | CharlieBrown | But yeah, I hate how debian basically says lazy/dumb people can't get kde5 |
| 23:14.52 | martinjungblut | n4dir: yeah, I thought you were referring to systemd/sysvinit, but I didn't want to explicitly go into that topic :P |
| 23:15.11 | n4dir | hence i was so vague (but really: just a silly joke, nothing more) |
| 23:15.31 | pfred1 | CharlieBrown I remember when KDE first came out i heard all the hype so I wanted to run it but my distro didn't support glibc2 so I couldn't until I made support for that |
| 23:15.32 | martinjungblut | n4dir: I liked the joke, actually, good one |
| 23:16.20 | n4dir | as long i don't have to run blackbox i am fine with old (versions) |
| 23:16.28 | n4dir | (yes, anther silly joke) |
| 23:16.48 | pfred1 | I like flux the best out of all the boxes |
| 23:17.04 | n4dir | yup, like it too. out of box, nice and easy. |
| 23:17.12 | martinjungblut | I don't feel like the *boxes buy me anything |
| 23:17.21 | pfred1 | if i need that light weight a WM |
| 23:17.28 | martinjungblut | Like, they're not as practical as a tiling wm, and not as good looking as a DE |
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| 23:17.45 | pfred1 | martinjungblut do real time control with old hardware |
| 23:17.47 | martinjungblut | But of course, I could be very wrong about this |
| 23:18.00 | n4dir | martinjungblut: but light and - as far fluxbox - easy to use. install it, use it, call it a day |
| 23:18.00 | pfred1 | you might want a lighter WM then |
| 23:18.14 | x_ | openbox here, pretty satisfied with it |
| 23:18.22 | unborn | openbox is not bad too |
| 23:18.24 | CharlieBrown | pfred1 well this is not 1996. stuff should just work. and a distro should not pride itself on being 2 years old |
| 23:18.31 | CharlieBrown | out of date |
| 23:18.44 | pfred1 | CharlieBrown i liked Linux 20 years ago |
| 23:18.50 | unborn | roadrunna: exactly, with that info, it would be cleared everything out sooner.. you know.. |
| 23:18.52 | pfred1 | it was all godo then |
| 23:18.54 | n4dir | CharlieBrown: you don't seem to get the main point of debian stable |
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| 23:19.09 | martinjungblut | are the *boxes lighter than i3-wm? |
| 23:19.21 | martinjungblut | or dwm |
| 23:19.30 | pfred1 | martinjungblut fluxbox is like 64KB in RAM |
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| 23:19.34 | CharlieBrown | pfred1 debian says if you're lazy or a noon then use stable or get out |
| 23:19.35 | n4dir | i don't think the wm's differ much in being lightweight (assuming we speak of RAM usae and such) |
| 23:19.48 | unborn | pfred1: ah fuck the ram.. its cheap |
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| 23:20.12 | pfred1 | unborn it can be but some systems are limited |
| 23:20.20 | martinjungblut | CharlieBrown: I'm not sure if you're trolling or trying to provide constructive criticism |
| 23:20.39 | pfred1 | up until a couple years ago I was using a 1GHz P3 with a 512MB system limit |
| 23:20.47 | unborn | yeah sure.. I forgot on that.. well depends what you running it on.. pfred1 you right |
| 23:21.00 | n4dir | pfred1: that's the spirit ! |
| 23:21.13 | styks1987 | grawity: Tring to parse what you said with what I know about color codes. Could you give me a small example? I am already using [] but maybe Iâm not doing it right |
| 23:21.31 | martinjungblut | pfred1: what do you work with? I'm curious as to why you're using this old hardware |
| 23:21.39 | pfred1 | that system had a RAM issue so it was only using 24MB at one point I didn't evne notice until I opened up firefox |
| 23:21.49 | n4dir | lol |
| 23:21.57 | grawity | styks1987: PS1='\[\e[33m\]\u@\h\[\e[m\]\$ ' |
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| 23:22.08 | pfred1 | martinjungblut it was a dedicated CNC controller box |
| 23:22.21 | styks1987 | grawity: thanks |
| 23:22.26 | grawity | styks1987: \[ and \] mark the areas which are "zero-width", i.e. they set stuff but don't show up on screen |
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| 23:22.30 | martinjungblut | pfred1: running debian? |
| 23:22.30 | grawity | colors, terminal title, etc. |
| 23:22.32 | unborn | martinjungblut: I use old hardware for my git server with web gui and it is serving me very well from long time ago.. |
| 23:22.35 | pfred1 | martinjungblut yes |
| 23:22.37 | unborn | or ssh backups |
| 23:22.42 | unborn | i mean over ssh |
| 23:22.52 | n4dir | gitolite? unborn |
| 23:22.53 | martinjungblut | it shows how well made debian is |
| 23:22.58 | pfred1 | my new controller runs Debian too |
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| 23:23.23 | unborn | n4dir: nah just git |
| 23:23.43 | n4dir | thanks |
| 23:24.08 | pfred1 | if I thought there was a better distro I'd be running it |
| 23:24.36 | martinjungblut | I was a Slackware man for quite a while |
| 23:24.40 | pfred1 | me too |
| 23:24.49 | pfred1 | from 3.0 to 8 |
| 23:24.51 | martinjungblut | Then I moved to Arch, but it's just not good enough for anything serious |
| 23:25.19 | styks1987 | grawity: perfect. That worked. I got confused because I was using [] in the output as well. Thanks for the explanation |
| 23:25.24 | unborn | n4dir: what you running it? i mean for git with webgui |
| 23:25.28 | roadrunna | I was previously using gentoo. Thought I'd give debian a try. |
| 23:25.31 | pfred1 | but everyone and their dog ran RH 7.1 |
| 23:25.39 | x_ | heh i still have my slackware 3.3 cd |
| 23:25.51 | martinjungblut | Slackware is still pretty good, even nowadays |
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| 23:26.04 | martinjungblut | I was impressed with sbopkg |
| 23:26.17 | martinjungblut | And their release cycle is very conservative |
| 23:26.19 | pfred1 | I really like Debian's package management system |
| 23:26.20 | n4dir | sbotools ... :-) |
| 23:26.36 | n4dir | pfred1: a gem ! |
| 23:26.48 | roadrunna | I feel like a rolling distro is more suitable for me. |
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| 23:27.12 | pfred1 | I like to stay put |
| 23:27.24 | martinjungblut | Rolling is fine for personal usage, but if you need to install something now and have a predictable scenario for 5 years, then you need a stable release |
| 23:27.39 | martinjungblut | I remember when Arch removed mysql-workbench from their repositories |
| 23:27.42 | roadrunna | yes I agree. |
| 23:27.49 | martinjungblut | What the hell, people rely on stuff like that |
| 23:28.01 | martinjungblut | And they dropped it |
| 23:28.11 | martinjungblut | It's back now, but that move wasn't smart |
| 23:28.11 | n4dir | or if you have 5 or 6 PCs at home you run now and then, and want no hazzle with packagemanagement |
| 23:28.42 | martinjungblut | I love how flexible debian is, if you want rolling, you can have rolling |
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| 23:28.59 | pfred1 | If Ron Popiel built a Computo-Matic it'd run Debian |
| 23:29.15 | n4dir | martinjungblut: + all kind of architectures, + kFreeBSD and Hurd ... |
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| 23:29.20 | pfred1 | just set it, and forget it! |
| 23:29.35 | martinjungblut | Yes! I got a Raspberry Pi a few days ago |
| 23:29.54 | pfred1 | martinjungblut gonna run Windows on it? |
| 23:29.56 | martinjungblut | It was so good so install Raspbian and have i3 and all my tools available |
| 23:30.04 | roadrunna | Just to play with or for a specific task? |
| 23:30.26 | martinjungblut | I want to learn assembly language, so I bought it mostly to fiddle with the ARM CPU |
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| 23:30.44 | pfred1 | MASM was sweet |
| 23:31.25 | efloid | wow python filecmp.cmpfiles is very powerful |
| 23:32.02 | CharlieBrown | you cant have rolling . You you have to read a lot |
| 23:32.38 | martinjungblut | CharlieBrown: hmm, no idea what you mean |
| 23:33.16 | martinjungblut | CharlieBrown: I was running unstable on my laptop for 2 years and the only thing I did was be careful while managing packages |
| 23:33.42 | CharlieBrown | "use stable. stop using Sid as your main system idiot" |
| 23:33.55 | martinjungblut | You can use sid as your main system |
| 23:34.17 | martinjungblut | You just need to read what apt/aptitude will do before pressing 'Y' |
| 23:34.24 | CharlieBrown | I read everything and was very conservative didn't install a thing and it still barfed |
| 23:34.30 | CharlieBrown | I even did it twice |
| 23:34.35 | martinjungblut | And occasionally fix something manually yourself |
| 23:34.52 | CharlieBrown | by read everything I mean list bugs |
| 23:34.55 | martinjungblut | "Twice" isn't the amount of times it takes to learn something well |
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| 23:35.36 | martinjungblut | No offence, but you sound too harsh on this one |
| 23:35.41 | exa_ways | I was following a guide to install and configure deluge and stubled upon that part "Now enable it to start up on boot" using systemctl. I do not really understand what it does. Is it absolutely neccesary to run it at all or is it a kind of autostart convenience thing that could also be done only when I want to use deluge? |
| 23:35.54 | CharlieBrown | learn something? I'm just trying to install the thing. I even asked 5 sid users if what I was doing made sense amd they said yes |
| 23:35.54 | n4dir | not sure what is hard bout reading apt-listbugs ... |
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| 23:36.45 | CharlieBrown | n4dir I thought I stayed clear of all offenses listed there but NO |
| 23:37.06 | n4dir | perhaps no one reported a bug yet (that is: then) |
| 23:37.16 | ghutzriop | hi, my router was restarted and my homeserver is not registered as hostname.lan anymore. how do I republish this info? |
| 23:37.40 | n4dir | wait a bit, and usually your system is up and running again (often at the same day, seldom a week) |
| 23:37.51 | martinjungblut | CharlieBrown: you can also try testing if you want a rolling system that's undergone some more stabilisation |
| 23:37.54 | CharlieBrown | n4dir and it goes back to "use the crappy stuff or rot in development hell" |
| 23:38.12 | n4dir | well: for you. for others it works fine |
| 23:38.36 | CharlieBrown | maybe testing is ok but ode people said plasma is utterly broken there and my experience confirmed this. |
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| 23:38.46 | n4dir | i didn't have much problems with sid (rather: none at all) |
| 23:38.58 | CharlieBrown | kde people, kde users |
| 23:40.11 | CharlieBrown | I don't want to chase bugs just to have nice things that are already in Ubuntu. I would use Ubuntu but it is too much work to keep proprietary software out of it. |
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| 23:43.20 | wigust | For me unstable is wrong word. SID uses only stable packages from upstream. So it's actyally stable. Another talk that it changes a lot. That is not good for server but good for desktop. |
| 23:44.42 | CharlieBrown | I've read all this. |
| 23:44.46 | n4dir | wigust: might be due to historical reasons. I started using Sid in ... hmmm ... 2008 ? .. not that unstable during that time (but you read hardcore stories from the past) |
| 23:44.51 | CharlieBrown | I'm docs, etc. |
| 23:45.04 | CharlieBrown | Still refused to boot. |
| 23:45.48 | ryouma | some have said that debian has obsolete (stable), insecure (testing), and broken (unstable). but i don't know of a better solution. |
| 23:46.10 | grawity | testing gets security updates, doesn't it? |
| 23:46.31 | ryouma | i don't think you can count on it always getting them |
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| 23:50.33 | n4dir | CharlieBrown: did you look at aptosid or the other one. iirc comes with kde per default, and (is said to) help offering a more or less painless, comfortable way to run sid |
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| 23:51.12 | n4dir | you seem to be happy with parabola, just saying that there are projects (distros) which might focus on such needs |
| 23:51.16 | CharlieBrown | n4dir does it enable nonfree or contrib |
| 23:51.24 | n4dir | you can't disable it? |
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| 23:52.16 | CharlieBrown | the point of using debian is to use a very popular distro without worrying about purging nonfree software |
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| 23:52.59 | CharlieBrown | parabola is ok but it is still a fork. |
| 23:53.03 | n4dir | if only that was the point. |
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| 23:54.23 | CharlieBrown | debian is the only distro that is free by default without being some ghetto distro that nobody has heard of |
| 23:55.17 | n4dir | yup, but not many seem to care for it (might be my little corner of the world, but i seldom hear people admire that part of debian) |
| 23:55.39 | CharlieBrown | trisquel and others have horrible community support because it's so small. debian is big |
| 23:56.36 | n4dir | i for one have liked the free part of debian, i don't care much for software versions, i didn't have much problems with running sid and i don't run kde |
| 23:57.01 | n4dir | so for me debian was good. I see that you got different needs, but to me the focus was on the free part |
| 23:57.02 | CharlieBrown | n4dir you dont care about free software? .... I want to strangle you. I'm so tired of every single distro being littered with software I don't need or want. |
| 23:57.16 | n4dir | i didn't say that at all |
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