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| 00:01.17 | Zathras | jscoder, grub on an USBstick in a virtual envornment ?????? |
| 00:01.23 | Zathras | *environment |
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| 00:03.23 | DK-HaZe | is it possible to search for folders in multiple SMB shares at once instance ? |
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| 00:20.55 | julius | hi |
| 00:21.16 | DK-HaZe | hi |
| 00:21.18 | bralto | jscoder: you forgot to provide or generate a grub.cfg file |
| 00:21.21 | julius | somebody knows why my resolv.conf gets reset every few minutes? detailed problem description here: http://serverfault.com/questions/823633/debian-testing-stretch-resetting-etc-resolf-conf |
| 00:21.58 | dvs | julius, because you are using dhcp3? |
| 00:23.11 | sonOfRa | julius: NM does that, but it's configurable: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Resolv.conf#Preserve_DNS_settings arch wiki, but concepts are similar |
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| 00:25.36 | jscoder | Zathras: I was just using virtualbox to test it without rebooting.. its accessing it raw |
| 00:26.03 | jscoder | bralto: how do I do that? isn't it done when I update-grub to generate the menu.lst? |
| 00:26.36 | bralto | jscoder: if you want the debootstrapped debian to generate it, you should chroot into it, mount the boot partition on /boot and run: update-grub |
| 00:27.11 | jscoder | bralto: yes, I've done that from within the chroot. thats what generated the menu.lst and system maps |
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| 00:27.31 | bralto | jscoder: yesmenu.lst is for grub1, grub2 uses grub.cfg |
| 00:27.37 | bralto | strange |
| 00:28.08 | jscoder | bralto: hmm.. I just did chroot /mnt then update-grub again and still no grub.cfg |
| 00:28.10 | bralto | o wait I see |
| 00:29.13 | bralto | you installed grub1 in the debootstrap, but then you installed grub2 to the mbr with the code in the blue terminal |
| 00:29.22 | jscoder | ah |
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| 00:29.45 | bralto | did know grub1 still existed ;) |
| 00:29.51 | bralto | * did not |
| 00:30.10 | jscoder | bralto: that would make sense, I told it to install grub I figured that was grub2 |
| 00:30.20 | jscoder | apt-get install grub linux-image-586 linux-image-686-pae linux-image-amd64 |
| 00:30.30 | jscoder | was the line I typed in the chroot |
| 00:31.10 | bralto | aha i think you need grub-pc or grub-efi-amd64 |
| 00:31.13 | jscoder | both the usb stick I am running off of now, and the usb hdd are running jessie |
| 00:31.36 | jscoder | ok, I'll remove grub and install grub-pc then |
| 00:31.55 | bralto | or in small chanche: grub-efi-ia32 (for some 32bit efi pc's, rare) |
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| 00:32.26 | jscoder | bralto: yes, it would appear apt interpreted "grub" as "grub-legacy" |
| 00:32.46 | bralto | :D |
| 00:33.11 | jscoder | bralto: I never would have realized there were two different versions, nice catch |
| 00:33.54 | bralto | been grubbing all week now, had headaches about exporting variables in the grub.cfg |
| 00:34.33 | bralto | who would think that if you enter a menu, all variables would be reset, took some time to find that out :S |
| 00:35.02 | jscoder | I'm trying to setup the 2.5in sata drive I have attached with a usb dongle so it'll boot easily in virtually any machine either as USB or internal and without need for passwords so my family can use it as needed. thats why I made /home ntfs so it can still be used by windows as a removable drive |
| 00:35.15 | Jeaton | im needing a decent dvd burning application, anyone know of any |
| 00:35.27 | Jeaton | i used to use tovid, i dont know how it holds up anymore |
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| 00:35.35 | petemc | handbrake |
| 00:36.38 | bazhang | handbrake is not for that |
| 00:36.49 | bazhang | it's for ripping/encoding |
| 00:36.50 | bralto | jscoder: nice, I do something similar, make debian-live images which I can customize and put on usb2 or usb3 stick |
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| 00:37.38 | petemc | oh, my mistake |
| 00:38.19 | bralto | jscoder: how do you correct for different video cards or arent you running proprietary drivers? |
| 00:39.26 | jscoder | bralto: I'm not really concerned about 3d support the stock kernels will work with most any card |
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| 00:40.25 | bralto | jscoder: really love that about debian/linux that you can just swap your system in a different machine |
| 00:40.39 | jscoder | yeah, no BSOD |
| 00:40.45 | bralto | jscoder: btw are all your pc's bios or efi? |
| 00:41.11 | jscoder | bralto: they're all older thinkpads without efi |
| 00:41.31 | jscoder | bralto: most are nvidia but this one has ati |
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| 00:43.17 | jscoder | I'm not sure yet how I'm going to handle allowing root access on them. On this stick I just did autologin on the DM and configured root with no password using the user's passwd for sudo. But the rest of my family and passwords don't mix well. |
| 00:44.28 | jscoder | most of the other thinkpads we have, have the fingerprint reader but I never had any luck getting that to work |
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| 00:46.44 | jscoder | I suppose technically if I set sudoers to allow all that works, cause there is still a user password which I could make ridiculously long but have it set to auto login, and leave root disabled |
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| 00:47.50 | jscoder | though I think synaptic and such are still configured to use gksu or something by default which doesn't read sudoers |
| 00:48.24 | Eduard_Munteanu | It's the web that's taught people bad habits. Everything is supposed to have a password remembered by the user. |
| 00:48.55 | jscoder | yeah, you got my vote. I usually have at least 3 passwords per machine. root, user, and crypt |
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| 00:49.35 | jscoder | most people especially my father though cringe at the thought of even using the keyboard at all |
| 00:49.43 | Eduard_Munteanu | I mean, one should really use a password manager and remember one or two important strong passwords. That way you don't use weak passwords. |
| 00:50.53 | jscoder | I can usually keep a large amount of passwords straight in my head.. I leave myself clues.. like when I called my credit card company recently and they asked me what my pets name was.. I knew damn well I had no pet.. heh |
| 00:52.04 | jscoder | those questions are so dumb.. for most people its easier than guessing their password is guessing their clues |
| 00:53.03 | missmbob | that's why you have fun. "father's middle name?" "fucker" |
| 00:53.10 | DK-HaZe | jscoder I had a pet once, and I never use that question again as my first pet name was pussy.. it was a cat |
| 00:53.29 | DK-HaZe | that became a very odd phone call to betting site |
| 00:53.32 | preaction | first name, mother? |
| 00:54.00 | DK-HaZe | but it was a nice cat |
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| 00:57.26 | bralto | jscoder: all family members get their own username and home? |
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| 00:58.56 | jscoder | bralto: na, I was just gonna make one user called user.. this is not for normal use.. just for when their shit breaks and I'm not around to fix it.. its like a fully functional rescue system. they got livecds and crap, but this can actually be used cause its a hdd with over 200gb of actual storage space |
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| 01:01.01 | bralto | jscoder: just write the password on the disk, as I understand it's not encrypted and it is shared so it's not a real secret |
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| 01:01.37 | jscoder | bralto: yeah I was going to do that.. but I still dont want it to have to be typed in for normal use. I was going to write it on there anyhow in case it came up |
| 01:02.05 | jscoder | bralto: last time I left my father with a hdd with linux and all his data he stopped using it because it asked for a password |
| 01:02.18 | bralto | jscoder: my debian live sticks seem to have that behavior |
| 01:02.30 | julius | dvs, would ps auxwwwx|grep dhcp list tht process? |
| 01:02.44 | julius | sonOfRa, i deinstalled network-manager |
| 01:02.54 | bralto | o i think i know |
| 01:03.21 | bralto | disable root account on that installation |
| 01:04.24 | bralto | when running the debian installer advanced (maybe also normal) you have the question, create admin/root account or disable root account and use first user as sudo admin |
| 01:05.02 | bralto | no thats not it |
| 01:05.08 | jscoder | yeah, thats how I got this one setup.. but it still asks for a password to mount or install software.. uses the user password |
| 01:05.28 | bralto | my debian live stick never does that, but not sure how it's set |
| 01:05.55 | jscoder | probably like I said, it uses ALL:ALL NOPASSWD:ALL in sudoers for the user |
| 01:05.57 | bralto | it logs in as 'user' and it never asks for a pw when executing sudo apps |
| 01:06.02 | bralto | i can cehck |
| 01:06.26 | jscoder | which means the user still technically has a password, but the DM bypasses it for local login, and then sudoers lets it bypass it for admin privs |
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| 01:10.49 | bralto | jscoder: my sudoers file has nothing custom in it, ill check the boot options |
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| 01:12.46 | chouchou | hello, i m reading about squid installation on debian, but i m stuck in the middle, How do i set up a proxy server which will hide my original IP address? how do i configure the spoofed IP address? any write up that can guide me along? |
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| 01:14.09 | bazhang | #squid chouchou |
| 01:14.38 | petemc | chouchou: any proxy server should hide your address, spoofing has nothing to do with it |
| 01:15.17 | petemc | well, depends on the config of the proxy server too, some may have your ip in headers |
| 01:15.25 | chouchou | petemc: what ip address will be revealed to the outside world? |
| 01:15.41 | petemc | the ip of the machine making the connection |
| 01:15.43 | chouchou | my server IP address or DNS server? |
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| 01:16.14 | niko007 | hi |
| 01:16.36 | petemc | if the proxy terminates the tcp connection, thats th |
| 01:16.47 | petemc | what the content server will see |
| 01:17.45 | chouchou | petemc: is there a way to use a different IP address instead of the machine's IP address? |
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| 01:18.14 | bralto | jscoder: I checked the live-config code and it's the same as your suggestion |
| 01:18.23 | bralto | jscoder: echo "${LIVE_USERNAME} ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL" >> /etc/sudoers.d/live |
| 01:18.35 | bralto | chmod 0440 /etc/sudoers.d/live |
| 01:18.56 | bralto | sudo -u "${LIVE_USERNAME}" sh -c "echo 'SU_TO_ROOT_SU=sudo' >> /home/${LIVE_USERNAME}/.su-to-rootrc" |
| 01:19.11 | jscoder | bralto: ah. yeah I figured as much. |
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| 01:19.38 | jscoder | bralto: that last part though is the key.. that should make it work even with gksu |
| 01:19.40 | petemc | chouchou: tcp works by connecting to host and creating stream between hosts, the source and destination address are essential for this |
| 01:19.52 | bralto | last cmd for setting sudo for all apps, I think that also should take care of synaptic |
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| 01:19.57 | nem122 | hello |
| 01:20.08 | bralto | yes exactly |
| 01:20.14 | nem122 | any pro online who could help me with 1 private issue? |
| 01:20.30 | bazhang | pro? |
| 01:20.34 | jscoder | bralto: thats the part I wasnt sure about, how you got around debian defaults using gksu instead of sudo for the auth |
| 01:20.36 | bazhang | that means paid |
| 01:20.36 | bralto | for gnome also: |
| 01:20.38 | bralto | sudo -u "${LIVE_USERNAME}" gconftool-2 -s -t bool /apps/gksu/sudo-mode true |
| 01:20.45 | bralto | sudo -u "${LIVE_USERNAME}" gconftool-2 -s -t bool /apps/gksu/display-no-pass-info false |
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| 01:20.50 | nem122 | not in my world ^^ |
| 01:21.03 | bralto | ooo there is even more, also kde |
| 01:21.04 | nem122 | pro is for me just a person who really gets computer programs ^^ |
| 01:21.07 | bazhang | just ask here |
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| 01:22.13 | nem122 | so, any good programmer who could help me answer just 1 little question over pm? |
| 01:22.18 | jscoder | bralto: thats good stuff right there, I saved those to a file. another thing that drives me batty is how when you install wine in debian it starts using notepad and wordpad and such as default in gnome/mate instead of pluma. |
| 01:22.23 | bralto | jscoder: https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/debian-live/live-config.git/tree/components/0040-sudo |
| 01:22.39 | bralto | there is the entire file, i got it from the config function/method |
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| 01:23.19 | bralto | o no, it does? ouch |
| 01:24.05 | jscoder | bralto: yeah its annoying. you have to go in and change all the defaults back to gnome defaults after installing wine because it switches file associations to windows apps which take way longer to load |
| 01:25.04 | bralto | jscoder: if you use playonlinux, isnt there an option to prevent that? |
| 01:26.08 | jscoder | bralto: idk I haven't messed with that much. playonlinux is nice because you can install multiple versions simultaneously with ease. |
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| 01:27.22 | jscoder | I usually configure wine because my father has some windows apps he uses like a fantasy football thing that I found no suitable alternative for. |
| 01:28.04 | bralto | jscoder: i try to use wine as less as possible, every now and then I try to get one specific game to get to work but never was lucky |
| 01:28.49 | jscoder | bralto: I used to play San Andreas on linux with crossover. I got it for free during their lame duck presidential challenge thing back when GWB was president |
| 01:28.55 | bralto | jscoder: If you get it running once your there right |
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| 01:29.31 | jscoder | bralto: its kinda amusing that when you play those on linux they are not only usually faster, but you can use xbox or playstation controllers just by plugging them in. Its nearly impossible to get the controllers to work on windows |
| 01:29.34 | bralto | just backup the folder and document the repo packages |
| 01:29.47 | bralto | haha nice |
| 01:30.40 | jscoder | I was considering buying a newer copy of crossover cause mine is like version 7 or something really old now |
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| 01:31.24 | jscoder | with no support options its only $40 which is way better than paying for windows, and their product is way more polished than wine alone |
| 01:32.13 | bralto | ok ill keep that in mind for my game friends |
| 01:32.32 | bralto | I only play need for speed underground 2 |
| 01:32.39 | bralto | never got it working on linux |
| 01:32.41 | jscoder | they ported that steam to linux a while back I haven't checked the progress on porting all their games |
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| 01:34.36 | bralto | i can remember that there was another commercial app for wine gaming before crossover, cant remember the name |
| 01:34.55 | bralto | what i read, steam is pretty nice on linux now |
| 01:35.29 | bralto | yes, cedega |
| 01:36.02 | bralto | crossover is former cedega |
| 01:36.07 | jscoder | bralto: yeah there used to be two products crossover office and crossover games now its all one |
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| 01:36.37 | jscoder | bralto: apparently from what wikipedia says steam has developed a game console and it runs a SteamOS which is debian based |
| 01:36.46 | bralto | it's just a matter of time and everything will run in linux |
| 01:37.27 | bralto | all roads lead to linux hehe |
| 01:37.49 | jscoder | bralto: yeah it seems that comcast's new X1 platform is all linux |
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| 01:40.00 | bralto | would have been nice to make a live stick with nfs2 on it, never installing xp again, just stick it in any computer et voila |
| 01:40.47 | jscoder | I keep an xp virtualbox image around but rarely ever use it |
| 01:40.59 | bralto | supertuxkart is also very addictive |
| 01:41.07 | jscoder | I used it a bit with my palm until I figured out how to do it on linux. |
| 01:41.22 | bralto | and how is the 3d performance through vbox? |
| 01:41.30 | bralto | it might be enough for nfs2 |
| 01:41.51 | jscoder | ah, I never really tested that. |
| 01:41.57 | bralto | i have a bare to the bon xp image lying around |
| 01:42.13 | bralto | around 300 mb |
| 01:42.19 | bralto | bon=bone |
| 01:42.51 | jscoder | yeah its always good to use windows inside a vm and keep a fresh copy of the bare image laying around when it inevitibly screws up |
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| 01:43.03 | bralto | should be possible to run from ram with a 8gb machine |
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| 01:45.33 | jscoder | I'd run all my machines from ram for years. I bought a cheap netgear router and set it up with a thumbdrive that had OS images that you could PXE boot from any connected machine |
| 01:46.24 | bralto | nice, have to learn some more on pxe boot, tried it on a university network once but that would never work ofcourse |
| 01:46.50 | bralto | could run it from my home server now |
| 01:47.08 | jscoder | its nice because you can just update your settings once on the pxe image and then it will take effect on all machines. and each time you boot you know you got a fresh untainted image |
| 01:47.34 | jscoder | since I used all thinkpads, I kept my dock hooked to the router, you snap it in to boot up then you can go mobile with the image in ram |
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| 01:48.13 | bralto | so you pxboot root and have home local? |
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| 01:48.46 | jscoder | you could do that, or you could use nfs or smb/cifs to a network storage |
| 01:50.15 | jscoder | cheapest setup would be a WD MyBook and a Netgear WNR3500L |
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| 01:50.31 | jscoder | I bought a WNR3500L for under $30 on ebay |
| 01:51.06 | jscoder | used that as my server.. kept screen and irssi running on it, ran transmission and a tftpserver for PXE |
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| 01:51.50 | bralto | i have a hp microserver, would be a good candidate for that job |
| 01:51.54 | jscoder | you just install dd-wrt first because its the only thing the native firmware will take, then I installed tomato firmware because I liked it better, then you use the ipkg tool to install other software |
| 01:52.39 | jscoder | that WNR3500L is the cheapest thing I could find that does the job easily.. it has a usb port, you just add a thumbdrive and flash on the firmware and set it up |
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| 01:52.44 | bralto | what do you configure in the router? |
| 01:53.20 | bralto | i have three routers running here, 2 only work as switch |
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| 01:54.11 | jscoder | you don't even have to use it as a router if you don't want to, you just use it as a low power headless server. The tomato or dd-wrt firmwares have a package manager that has 3rd party repos that have all kinds of stuff in them. I mostly just used screen, irssi, transmission, and tftp for PXE server |
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| 01:54.33 | jscoder | having your irssi and transmission running that way is nice because you can shut your machine down and stay on IRC and keep your torrents going |
| 01:54.50 | jscoder | the firmware also supports samba/cifs to connect to network storage to save your torrents |
| 01:55.26 | jscoder | thats where a WD MyBook or other storage solution comes in.. I just mention the MyBook cause its the cheapest and simplest.. naturally a raid setup would be better |
| 01:55.29 | bralto | I set that up with hp server with openmediavault |
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| 01:57.05 | jscoder | bralto: the firmwares give you access to the NSLU2 repos http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/Packages?from=Unslung.Packages |
| 01:57.31 | jscoder | bralto: using ipkg which is like a slim deb package system |
| 01:57.36 | bralto | i think i have something similar in openwrt |
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| 01:58.36 | jscoder | yeah, just about all of them support the NSLU2 packages. and as you can see from that site, there is everything you need there |
| 01:59.12 | jscoder | sshd, ftpd, tftpd, httpd, irssi, various torrent programs, etc |
| 02:00.15 | bralto | but more functional, what would I change in my router to allow pxeboot in my network and point to the image on a different server |
| 02:00.15 | jscoder | and like I said, that WNR3500L is only retail at like $50, and you can get it for less used on ebay or something, and it gets the job done for a really low power server |
| 02:00.32 | bralto | my nas has tftp server, so i could drop the image there |
| 02:00.59 | jscoder | well thats in the dhcp settings, the dhcp server tells the client where the boot sever (tftp) is |
| 02:01.48 | jscoder | PXE is dead simple it uses dhcp and tftp which is all auto configure noauth ftp, which only sends a single file |
| 02:02.27 | jscoder | the hard part is setting up that file.. which in my configs I make a menu and have options to boot parted magic, debian installer, or a debian live type image |
| 02:03.05 | bralto | I already have that hard part, for me the hardest is to configure my network to find that file ;) |
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| 02:03.50 | jscoder | yeah, thats done in the dhcpd |
| 02:03.56 | bralto | but i am not completely sure my images are pxe compliant |
| 02:04.00 | bralto | have to try |
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| 02:04.26 | jscoder | pxe only loads one file, pxelinux.0, that file contains a bootloader of sorts that will fetch whatever else you want |
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| 02:05.37 | bralto | can it chainload grub? |
| 02:06.07 | jscoder | I suppose it could but it doesn't have to. it works a lot like isolinux |
| 02:06.32 | bralto | i use grub in my images |
| 02:06.58 | bralto | i found the config option: dhcp-boot=pxelinux,server.name,192.168.1.100 |
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| 02:08.38 | bralto | and then put a pxelinux file and linux image on that server |
| 02:08.51 | jscoder | bralto: yeah, that would be it.. when the PXE rom requests dhcp config it'll get the server address and file to load |
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| 02:09.07 | bralto | where do you define the filename? |
| 02:09.16 | bralto | found it |
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| 02:09.51 | bralto | dhcp-match=set:gpxe,175 |
| 02:09.59 | bralto | dhcp-boot=tag:!gpxe,undionly.kpxe |
| 02:10.09 | bralto | dhcp-boot=mybootimage |
| 02:10.51 | jscoder | https://wiki.debian.org/PXEBootInstall https://debian-administration.org/article/478/Setting_up_a_server_for_PXE_network_booting (dated but relevant, not much has changed) https://www.howtoforge.com/pxe_booting_debian |
| 02:11.28 | bralto | gonna check that out, thanks |
| 02:11.49 | bralto | have to get some sleep now |
| 02:11.54 | jscoder | I used that 2nd one when I setup mine, its for etch, but its all the same |
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| 02:13.07 | bralto | cya |
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| 02:14.15 | JordiGH | I'm confused about multiarch. An i386 package can conflict with the amd64 package. Huh? What's the point, then? |
| 02:14.42 | somiaj | JordiGH: packages have to be made multiarch. For the most part this is only libs (but some other packages are multiarch compadable). |
| 02:15.09 | JordiGH | Okay, I guess I'll just do an i386 chroot, then. |
| 02:15.22 | somiaj | JordiGH: but many binary packages you can choose to either have the 64bit or the 32bit version as the binaries both live in say /usr/bin (only libaries have had their files sperated into indvidual locations so they can be installed side by side) |
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| 02:16.53 | JordiGH | somiaj: Okay, thanks. I really want to compile pcsx2, which reportedly works for Ubuntu, but the instructions are all messed up for Debian. |
| 02:17.33 | somiaj | JordiGH: compling in a clean chroot is usually prefeable anyways. But yes when compiling unless you go though the extra hassel of setting up a cross compiler it is easier to do it inside a chroot. |
| 02:17.48 | somiaj | JordiGH: though once you have it compiled inside the chroot, you shoudl be able to install it outside of it and use the multiarch libaries. |
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| 02:18.13 | themill | pcsx2 is already in debian btw |
| 02:18.15 | somiaj | aparentally more and more -dev packages are being made multiarch, but I still think it is a ways off for that. |
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| 02:18.52 | JordiGH | themill: shut up, since when? |
| 02:18.58 | somiaj | ,v pcsx2 |
| 02:18.59 | judd | No package named 'pcsx2' was found in amd64. |
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| 02:19.20 | themill | ,v pcsx2 i386 |
| 02:19.20 | jscoder | pcsxr is not the same as pcsx2 |
| 02:19.22 | judd | Package: pcsx2 on i386 -- sid: 1.4.0+dfsg-2; stretch: 1.4.0+dfsg-2 |
| 02:19.31 | jak2013 | how to install php 5.5 on my debian box? thanks |
| 02:19.38 | jscoder | ah.. |
| 02:19.43 | somiaj | jak2013: what version of debian? |
| 02:19.45 | JordiGH | themill: Yeah, okay, how can I get that on amd64? |
| 02:20.02 | themill | JordiGH: it *might* be installable as a foreign arch package |
| 02:20.02 | somiaj | JordiGH: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/pcsx2 |
| 02:20.14 | somiaj | JordiGH: are you using jessie? |
| 02:20.21 | JordiGH | Erm, current stable. |
| 02:20.35 | JordiGH | These silly codenames change too old for me olde aging brain. |
| 02:20.42 | JordiGH | change too quickly |
| 02:20.49 | themill | it's not installable in jessie |
| 02:20.55 | somiaj | JordiGH: you may have to backport the package inside a chroot, unsure if that package will install in jessie or even compilable in jessie. |
| 02:21.15 | somiaj | JordiGH: but it might be easier to backport the debian package than the ubuntu on, you could try /msg dpkg ssb inside a 32bit chroot. |
| 02:21.21 | somiaj | JordiGH: or even use pbuilder. |
| 02:21.31 | JordiGH | Well, my current plan is to build from git. |
| 02:21.46 | JordiGH | I know how to ssb. |
| 02:22.08 | somiaj | JordiGH: I'd try the debian ssb first because that may be easier to isntall outside the chroot (as a .deb) than coping over the compile from inside the chroot. |
| 02:22.21 | JordiGH | Damn, jessie is stable. I could have sworn it was testing. |
| 02:22.33 | JordiGH | This is like when I have to ask what the current year is before I can reliably answer what my age is. |
| 02:22.48 | somiaj | JordiGH: time sure flys. Stretch is freezing, it will freeze here jan 5th is soft, feb 5th is hard. |
| 02:22.51 | JordiGH | somiaj: Okay, I'll try the ssb. |
| 02:23.01 | JordiGH | Oh, shit, I hate slushy. |
| 02:23.09 | JordiGH | That's when experimental becames the new unstable. |
| 02:23.11 | jscoder | heh |
| 02:23.14 | somiaj | so stretch will be released soon. |
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| 02:23.25 | jscoder | I never heard it called slushy before |
| 02:23.30 | jscoder | but I guess that works |
| 02:23.45 | themill | slushiness has nothing to do with the problem at hand of course |
| 02:24.31 | somiaj | jscoder: /msg dpkg slushy |
| 02:25.15 | jscoder | hmm.. that dates back to 2008 |
| 02:26.06 | somiaj | It isn't like the release method has changed sicne then. |
| 02:26.12 | somiaj | just a side affect of the freeze mostly |
| 02:26.23 | eeeprom | Im looking for a little help with something, if anyone can help it is much appreciated. I have an assignment to setup software RAID/LVM then create a preseed configuration file to do all of the steps automatically. I have completed the task manually, and the system is functioning well. I just want to be sure that everything looks good by having someone double check the RAID/partition layout. |
| 02:26.23 | eeeprom | would anyone be willing to take a quick peek to help with this? |
| 02:26.24 | JordiGH | I wish they would branch off instead of de-facto changing the meaning of experimental. |
| 02:26.27 | jscoder | no, I just never heard it before, and I been here since 2003 |
| 02:26.29 | JordiGH | Then ssb becomes seb. |
| 02:26.56 | somiaj | eeeprom: if you asked a full quesiton I missed it, if not explain your problem. |
| 02:26.57 | JordiGH | Well, ssb becomes ssoeb. |
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| 02:27.32 | eeeprom | somiaj, I do not have a specific problem - I am setting up software RAID/LVM, and would like to know if someone will double check the layout and give feedback. |
| 02:27.55 | somiaj | eeeprom: please describe your layout. I don't use either so I can't give to much feedack yourself, but others might. |
| 02:27.55 | JordiGH | I wonder if my 10-year-old laptop will even be able to handle pcsx2. 4 gigs of RAM, core 2 duo, intel graphics. |
| 02:28.11 | JordiGH | mednafen works flawlessly with ps1 games. |
| 02:28.16 | somiaj | JordiGH: well one way to find out. Though maybe see if it can be built for jessie first. (: |
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| 02:29.13 | JordiGH | Maybe I can just wait a few months for dopey or whatever and then just grab the package there. |
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| 02:29.59 | somiaj | JordiGH: I still think debian is trying to be more agressive on release times, so should only be 4 months give or take after the freeze. |
| 02:30.18 | JordiGH | Yeah, they always say that. |
| 02:30.22 | JordiGH | I've been around the block. |
| 02:30.25 | JordiGH | They won't fool me again. |
| 02:30.55 | jak2013 | somiaj: Debian GNU/Linux 8 |
| 02:32.50 | somiaj | jak2013: really no easy way. I would really stick with the version of php in jessie (due to security support) and not try to get another version. |
| 02:32.53 | somiaj | ,v php5 |
| 02:32.54 | judd | Package: php5 on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.4.45-0+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 5.4.45-0+deb7u6; jessie: 5.6.24+dfsg-0+deb8u1; sid: 5.6.26+dfsg-1; jessie-proposed-updates: 5.6.29+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.6.29+dfsg-0+deb8u1 |
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| 02:33.28 | somiaj | jak2013: oh this is an older version. Any reason you can't make your software compadable with 5.6? |
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| 02:34.04 | jscoder | somiaj: its always funny when someone types with an accent :-P |
| 02:34.07 | jak2013 | osticket tell me install php 5.5 |
| 02:35.04 | jscoder | s/compadable/compatible/ |
| 02:35.28 | eeeprom | I have 3 physical disks (VM files, technically) sized at 20GB each setup as a RAID5 array. the first partition is 512M for boot, and the next partition is the remaining disk space minus 2%, the remaining 2% is free space - same config for all 3 disks. both partitions on each disk are set to be physical volumes for RAID. then, I configured software RAID by creating 2 MD disk devices with 3 active |
| 02:35.28 | eeeprom | devices (respectively) for each MD disk. Im using each of the 2 RAID devices as physical volumes for LVM. I created two LVM volume groups - the first one is vg00 (1GB), and the second one is vg01 (~40GB). I configured logical volumes/partitions for boot on the first volume group, then / (root) and 4GB swap on the second device. everything looks good. I just want to test the configuration by |
| 02:35.28 | eeeprom | removing a disk and seeing if i can rebuild, but am unsure how to do so. |
| 02:35.33 | somiaj | JordiGH: yea I've seen it take a lot longer. Though jessie was the first release they got agressive about and it was actually released some what quickly (compared to wheezy) |
| 02:35.39 | eeeprom | I have screenshots of the configuration during setup |
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| 02:35.56 | JordiGH | So, what happened to CUT? |
| 02:36.00 | JordiGH | Anyone still taking that seriously? |
| 02:36.22 | somiaj | jak2013: well debian only supports the version of php that ships with it's releases. Other versions you are are your own to both install, configure and ensure is secure. There is dotdeb, but in general it is not supported here and sometimes their packages aren't the best quality. |
| 02:36.26 | somiaj | !dotdeb |
| 02:36.27 | dpkg | http://dotdeb.org/ is an unofficial package repository with emphasis on the <LAMP> solution stack, unsupported in #debian. To get support, read http://www.dotdeb.org/2012/08/24/how-to-post-useful-bug-reports/ and report any issues to https://github.com/gplessis/dotdeb-php5/issues . Ask me about <dotdeb alternatives>. |
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| 02:37.04 | JordiGH | Is LAMP still a thing? I thought that was kind of outdated now in the age of The Cloud. |
| 02:37.12 | JordiGH | The OS is disposable. |
| 02:37.13 | somiaj | JordiGH: I haven't heard any mention of cut except for the few months the idea was running around the mailing lists. |
| 02:37.18 | JordiGH | And you don't run your own webserver anymore. |
| 02:37.36 | JordiGH | And docker this, microservice that, agile it all. |
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| 02:40.01 | Phanes | did debian start as an LFS build? |
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| 02:40.38 | Phanes | im going to be creating my own no-parent-distro distro this year and would like to be using the same origins as one of the primary distros |
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| 02:40.57 | jcomeau | hi all, I'm following https://wiki.debian.org/BuildingTutorial and building libsdl2 from the source package. when I try to install the rebuilt .deb file it doesn't completely install, saying it requires a newer version of libc6! how could it require a newer version than the one I built it with? |
| 02:40.58 | somiaj | Phanes: well creating your own distro is not on topic in #debian. |
| 02:41.29 | preaction | Phanes: LFS did not exist when Debian was born |
| 02:41.30 | somiaj | jcomeau: that is strange, did you build the package in a version of debian with a differnt libc6 than you are installing it on? |
| 02:41.32 | Phanes | somiaj, no but the question i asked absolutely is, and i have almost no capability of tolerating obstructionism for the sake of being a jerk |
| 02:41.55 | Phanes | preaction, thanks. any idea what they based it off of? |
| 02:41.57 | preaction | Phanes: the original two linux distros were Slack and Debian. they made it up |
| 02:42.02 | somiaj | Phanes: ahh it scrolled up, missed it. |
| 02:42.09 | preaction | they based it off nothing. they invented it |
| 02:42.17 | JordiGH | Phanes: Well, Debian was one of the first distros, so yes. |
| 02:42.19 | jcomeau | somiaj, no, same machine |
| 02:42.28 | somiaj | jcomeau: did you compile inside a chroot? |
| 02:43.10 | jcomeau | somiaj: I guess so, I used debuild as the article indicated. that uses a chroot, correct? |
| 02:43.40 | jak2013 | somiaj any advice? |
| 02:44.22 | somiaj | jcomeau: are you backporting this from a newer version of debian? |
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| 02:44.45 | jcomeau | somiaj: sorry I have no clue what that means. |
| 02:44.50 | somiaj | jak2013: my advise is don't install php5.5 on jessie and try to make your system use php5.6 instead as that is the supported version of php5 in jessie. |
| 02:44.50 | JordiGH | I daresay, Debian might have even been *the* first distro. Maybe Slack was. Or at least the first free distro. I'm not sure about Red Hat. I think Debian was a response to RH. |
| 02:45.08 | preaction | Phanes: all that said, LFS is a good way to learn _how_ to create a linux from scratch. their docs were (last i read them) pretty extensive |
| 02:45.23 | jcomeau | somiaj: I'm on jessie, building for jessie, installing on jessie |
| 02:45.43 | preaction | JordiGH: slack and debian both claim to be first ;) red hat doesn't, and i think it came a bit later |
| 02:45.50 | somiaj | jak2013: but if you are in a sitution where you have no choice, you'll have to do this manually and you won't get support from #debian. |
| 02:46.19 | JordiGH | preaction: I have vague recollections of Ian saying something about how we needed a community-driven distro. |
| 02:46.24 | JordiGH | (RIP) |
| 02:47.01 | preaction | that could be in response to Slack... but that all pre-dates me, so all i know is from wikipedia :p |
| 02:47.19 | somiaj | I think redhat was eariler, hmm guess it wasn't according to this: http://futurist.se/gldt/wp-content/uploads/12.10/gldt1210.png |
| 02:47.35 | jcomeau | @somiaj I only downloaded the source to rebuild for debugging symbols |
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| 02:48.06 | somiaj | jcomeau: downloaded the source from where? |
| 02:48.17 | JordiGH | https://groups.google.com/forum/message/raw?msg=comp.os.linux.development/Md3Modzg5TU/xty88y5OLaMJ |
| 02:48.33 | JordiGH | Holy shit Debian is old. And so am I. |
| 02:48.34 | jcomeau | @somiaj from whatever magical source apt-get source uses :^) |
| 02:49.03 | preaction | it does say that Slack was first though ;) |
| 02:49.13 | somiaj | jcomeau: can you share your sources.list so I can see wherey ou got your source from. It isn't magical, it totally depends on how you have sources.list configured. |
| 02:49.19 | somiaj | preaction: by like what, a month? |
| 02:49.24 | preaction | not that any of that matters since we're all part of the same community ;) |
| 02:49.30 | preaction | somiaj: it matters! |
| 02:49.55 | preaction | and yeah, something like that :p |
| 02:50.16 | somiaj | preaction: I guess somepeople like that 'FIRST!!' response on a forum, the holy grail so to speak. |
| 02:50.37 | jcomeau | @somiaj all deb-src lines following: |
| 02:50.39 | jcomeau | deb-src http://httpredir.debian.org/debian jessie main contrib non-free |
| 02:50.40 | jcomeau | deb-src http://httpredir.debian.org/debian jessie-updates main contrib non-free |
| 02:50.40 | jcomeau | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free |
| 02:50.40 | jcomeau | deb-src http://httpredir.debian.org/debian sid main contrib non-free |
| 02:50.40 | jcomeau | deb-src http://httpredir.debian.org/debian oldstable main contrib non-free |
| 02:50.52 | themill | dpkg: tell jcomeau about paste |
| 02:51.38 | somiaj | jcomeau: you have multiple deb-src lines in there, make sure you get the correct soruce package. Most likely you got the version from sid, but you wanted the version form jessie? |
| 02:52.06 | jcomeau | ah, so I should have used apt-get -t stable source... right? |
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| 02:53.48 | somiaj | jcomeau: I think so, unsure if source packages do things different than binary when choosing between multiple versions. |
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| 02:54.14 | jcomeau | @somiaj that makes sense, thank you. |
| 02:54.33 | jcomeau | still it seems it should complain during the build, and it didn't. |
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| 02:56.00 | somiaj | jcomeau: you can build sid software on jessie (that is a backport). A very common thing to do. |
| 02:56.30 | somiaj | but not all source packages can nicely build on a different version. Still surprised it linked to a different version of libc6 than you have installed though. |
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| 02:57.18 | jcomeau | OK thanks man. there's still so much I don't know... and yeah, I'm surprised about that too. it may just be something in a depends statement somewhere, though, and has nothing to do with what it's linked to. |
| 02:57.51 | somiaj | you could check debian/control, but usually the versions are setup during the build. |
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| 03:13.02 | JordiGH | Are chroots relocatable? I accidentally put it in /srv/chroot/jesse-stable. I misspelled the smurf's name. |
| 03:13.37 | JordiGH | I wonder if I can just change the name with a simple mv. |
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| 03:14.58 | JordiGH | Eh, decided I don't care enough about how to spell it. |
| 03:15.07 | Barabacha | hi, is there a way to abort Debian installation? |
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| 03:16.47 | Hello71 | power off machine? |
| 03:17.19 | Barabacha | the last thing I saw was this: https://www.howtoforge.com/images/debian_jessie_minimal_server/big/debian-jessie-minimal-server-29.png I thought that Enter would select things from the list so I pressed enter while having Gnome highlighted |
| 03:17.27 | Barabacha | will this install Gnome? |
| 03:17.43 | Hello71 | !howtoforge |
| 03:17.45 | Hello71 | darn |
| 03:18.11 | Hello71 | iirc most of their stuff sucks |
| 03:18.55 | Barabacha | Hello71: you mean gnome? |
| 03:18.55 | somiaj | Barabacha: yes, by default Gnome desktop is selected and you'll install the whole thing unless you unslect it |
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| 03:19.32 | Barabacha | somiaj: the first thing from the list was selected which is "debian desktop environment", whatever that is |
| 03:19.33 | somiaj | Barabacha: though from your image you didn't have gnome selected. |
| 03:19.51 | JordiGH | Holy shit, schroot makes chroots so easy. |
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| 03:20.17 | Barabacha | somiaj: not my image, just found it on the internet, on my image "debian desktop environment" was selected and I tried to select Gnome but pressed enter instead of space and the whole thing started |
| 03:20.41 | somiaj | Barabacha: you don't have select gnome afiak, that will be installed by default of desktop enviorment is selected. |
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| 03:21.20 | somiaj | Barabacha: if it doesn't install gnome and you want to. Installing gnome after the fact requiers installing the same metapackge that selecting that option does, so I woudln't worry about it. |
| 03:21.21 | Barabacha | somiaj: hmm ok, I only have 20 gigs available and I saw packages like "gimp" being installed and I don't think I'll ever use that |
| 03:21.35 | somiaj | Barabacha: that is part of gnome. You can remove them after if needed too |
| 03:21.38 | JordiGH | I can use my same homedir in the chroot, what sorcery is this. |
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| 03:21.48 | Barabacha | somiaj: so I'm more concerned about installing too much :) |
| 03:22.09 | somiaj | JordiGH: schroot really sin't running inside the chroot, so it uses your current enviorment afiak. |
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| 03:23.00 | somiaj | Barabacha: there are ways to install less packages for gnome than the task. But since you didn't unselect the task you'll have to remove things afterwards |
| 03:23.40 | somiaj | also be careful when you remove things, it will remove the meta package and everything assoicated with it. |
| 03:23.40 | JordiGH | somiaj: wfm, let's see how this ssb goes. |
| 03:23.48 | JordiGH | is really dedicated to finishing that Final Fantasy 10 game. |
| 03:23.52 | somiaj | JordiGH: hope it works. (: |
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| 03:25.40 | jcomeau | still getting the dependency problems even after redoing all the steps. gonna call it a night. thanks |
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| 03:28.20 | likcoras_ | Hi. what would be the most proper way to make it so I can connect to certain ip addresses without going through my vpn? |
| 03:29.07 | likcoras_ | At home, I just run something like 'ip route add $target via 192.168.0.1', but I also often connect to other wifi networks, where it is different |
| 03:29.27 | JordiGH | Oh, nice, apt has a progress bar. |
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| 03:31.30 | JordiGH | omg omg omg omg apt-get seems to think it can get all of the build deps on stable. |
| 03:31.39 | JordiGH | This might just work. |
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| 03:33.15 | wladca_robakow | wyre@gateway/shell/xshellz/x-byzexxxgpgftvfqz |
| 03:33.15 | JordiGH | somiaj: waitaminute |
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| 03:33.40 | JordiGH | somiaj: Say I build this i386 package. It's going to have a bunch of i386 deps, probably many of which conflict with their amd64 deps. |
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| 03:34.25 | JordiGH | Can I just run the package from the chroot, though? |
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| 03:34.34 | somiaj | JordiGH: it shouldn't the libaries should all be multiarch |
| 03:34.48 | JordiGH | Okaaaaaaay, let's see what happens. |
| 03:34.55 | somiaj | JordiGH: dpkg -i foo_i386.deb then maybe run apt-get -f install afterwards |
| 03:35.02 | somiaj | that should try to find any missing depends on install them |
| 03:35.06 | somiaj | there is also gdebi |
| 03:35.31 | JordiGH | what about running from the chroot? Would that work? |
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| 03:36.23 | somiaj | JordiGH: setting up xorg apps to run from inside the chroot with schroot is possible, but it has been a long time since I have done it. |
| 03:36.30 | somiaj | JordiGH: with multiarch you shouldn't have to do it that way. |
| 03:36.47 | JordiGH | Okay, let me keep going. |
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| 03:36.56 | somiaj | I'll test something for you, one second |
| 03:37.38 | somiaj | JordiGH: in stretch it installs just fine (well says it will only did --dry-run) in stretch amd64. I would assume the same should hopefully be true for the backport. |
| 03:38.02 | JordiGH | It's not like every library is multiarch, right? It requires work from the DD or DM to make it multiarch, not normally automatic? |
| 03:38.03 | somiaj | so all the libs it depends on are multiarch (at least in sid, doubt this will be different in jessie) |
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| 03:38.17 | JordiGH | Oh, ok, thanks. |
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| 03:38.24 | somiaj | JordiGH: correct, but most this work was done during wheezy, and by jessie should be all done. And per policy libs should all be multiarch. |
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| 03:38.38 | somiaj | well for the wheezy release (I think that was the first fully multiarch release, though I froget) |
| 03:38.45 | missmbob | the package version for libs must match, though. i386 cant be a different version than amd64 |
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| 03:40.53 | JordiGH | I like to label my ssb's with "jordigh" in the version name. I always forget how I should do this. I usually append +jordigh, but I should be appending ~jordigh, right? |
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| 03:41.03 | just1buck | i do NOT use windows but i bought a wincleaner usb drive for just 1 dollar in the hope that i would be able to use it as a usb flash drive. Can it be done? |
| 03:41.10 | just1buck | Happy GNU year btw |
| 03:41.38 | just1buck | https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/641256-hack-a-win-cleaner-usb/ |
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| 03:41.55 | JordiGH | just1buck: GNU o/ |
| 03:42.04 | just1buck | sorry? |
| 03:42.22 | JordiGH | Just saying hi. Glory to the free software prolatariat, comrade. |
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| 03:43.10 | missmbob | just1buck: no |
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| 03:44.11 | just1buck | missmbob, can you please elaborate? |
| 03:44.23 | missmbob | just1buck: no you cant and this is off topic |
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| 03:49.41 | JordiGH | This is dumb, but I'm excited about compiling. I have been away from C++ for too long. |
| 03:50.02 | JordiGH | Help me, debhelper, you're my only hope! |
| 03:50.04 | wladca_robakow | ^ |
| 03:50.08 | wladca_robakow | !hope |
| 03:50.08 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, hope is using faith to make sure something works. |
| 03:50.17 | wladca_robakow | extra |
| 03:50.21 | wladca_robakow | !hope |
| 03:50.21 | dpkg | hope is, like, using faith to make sure something works. |
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| 03:52.32 | JordiGH | Okay, the novelty has worn off. I had forgotten how slow it was to compile C++. |
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| 03:53.48 | somiaj | JordiGH: espically on holder hardware. (: I do to much in VMs, and building takes a while. |
| 03:54.10 | JordiGH | I'd get a newer laptop but I don't want backdoored hardware. |
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| 03:54.49 | somiaj | JordiGH: afiak there are libre machines out there, though I think they can be kinda spendy. |
| 03:55.21 | JordiGH | There's the librem, but it's hardly a hardware upgrade for me. |
| 03:55.43 | somiaj | so there aren't newer machines that are fully libre hardware (including firmware)? |
| 03:55.52 | somiaj | well this is drifting off topic, I just thought there was. |
| 03:56.01 | Phanes | dont use hope to fix stuff |
| 03:56.04 | Phanes | that's for hostage situations |
| 03:56.11 | Phanes | use willpower and bloodlust |
| 03:56.14 | JordiGH | No, nothing yet. Although there have been initial reports that disabling ME on a newer machine was scucessful. |
| 03:56.25 | Phanes | i recommend a customized keyboard for the bloodlust |
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| 03:56.56 | Phanes | is looking for a place that does engraved brass keycap covers |
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| 03:57.59 | somiaj | Phanes: try to keep off topic chatter to a minimum. |
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| 03:58.58 | Phanes | yes we'd better go back to dead silence. somehow that helps something. |
| 03:59.08 | Phanes | thank you for your contributions. |
| 03:59.16 | jscoder | just about as much as sarcasm anyhow |
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| 04:07.44 | somiaj | Phanes: this is a support channel, there are off-topic social channels if you are looking for conversation. |
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| 04:08.02 | Phanes | doesn't know why he's still talking to me |
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| 04:16.06 | JordiGH | I forget, how do you silence those Perl locale warnings on new Debian installs? |
| 04:16.21 | JordiGH | Generate the missing locale? |
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| 04:16.34 | missmbob | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 04:18.33 | JordiGH | I really should stop using aptitude, right? |
| 04:18.44 | somiaj | JordiGH: doesn't matter. you have to isntall the locales package too |
| 04:18.47 | JordiGH | I like its conflict resolution. |
| 04:19.17 | somiaj | JordiGH: use the one you like, apt-get is faster, but most likely not that much of a difference in the long run. Note in a clean chroot there shouldn't be to many confilcits. |
| 04:20.09 | JordiGH | No, the package has finished building. |
| 04:20.14 | JordiGH | aptitude -f install seemed confused |
| 04:20.23 | JordiGH | apt -f install seemed to know what to do |
| 04:20.36 | JordiGH | *sniff* I liked aptitude, but I guess it got stupider due to parental neglect. |
| 04:20.51 | somiaj | they just have different logic |
| 04:21.00 | somiaj | you could run across another sitution that apt-get can't figure out and aptitude can |
| 04:21.04 | themill | apt install ./foo.deb ftw |
| 04:21.09 | somiaj | also there is now a third contender in the ring, apt |
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| 04:21.56 | jscoder | as I recall aptitude's powers require you to use it all the time because it keeps its own db and can't as easily solve things done with other package managers |
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| 04:22.30 | JordiGH | jscoder: I think that was true a long time ago, but supposedly apt-get and aptitude harmonised that (also a long time ago). |
| 04:23.00 | jscoder | idk, I use apt-get or synaptic I never really liked aptitude. |
| 04:23.04 | somiaj | jscoder: that is long past, apt, apt-get and aptitude all use the same database, they just have different logic. |
| 04:23.26 | somiaj | synaptic I think does its own additional database on top of apts, but I don't use it, unsure how integrated synaptic is. |
| 04:24.04 | jscoder | I like synaptic for browsing, I use apt for pretty much anything else |
| 04:24.14 | somiaj | I use apt-get out of default, but aptitude if I want to do advanced searches. That is one thing apt/apt-cache don't have. |
| 04:24.34 | jscoder | though there is that other thing I can't recall its package name that is also good for browsing.. ubuntu used it |
| 04:24.38 | JordiGH | I find most things I need with stupid apt-cache and apt-file queries. |
| 04:25.09 | JordiGH | Very rarely do I need aptitude's advanced stuff. At worst, I'll parse apt-cache/apt-file output with grep/sed/awk pipelines like a caveman. |
| 04:25.34 | awal1 | aptitude is nice for cleaning the system, does the job better than apt-get |
| 04:26.08 | awal1 | no one uses zypper? |
| 04:26.14 | JordiGH | omg omg the pcsx GUI is working. |
| 04:26.20 | JordiGH | This is a good sing |
| 04:26.22 | JordiGH | *sign |
| 04:26.35 | JordiGH | Now for the acid test... will FF10 run? |
| 04:26.44 | somiaj | JordiGH: glad you got it compiled/installed. |
| 04:27.42 | JordiGH | somiaj: Yeah, thanks for pointing me in the right direction. This definitely is way better than building off github. |
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| 04:37.27 | JordiGH | Oh, crap. |
| 04:37.35 | JordiGH | OpenGL 3.3 isn't supported by Intel cards? |
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| 04:39.36 | somiaj | JordiGH: You can get a newer intel driver and mesa from jessie-backports |
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| 04:40.01 | somiaj | JordiGH: unsure if/when/what versions your card can support that version. |
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| 04:40.43 | JordiGH | I'm already using the backported one. |
| 04:40.49 | JordiGH | Does it require *hardware* support? |
| 04:40.51 | somiaj | driver and mesa? |
| 04:41.32 | JordiGH | Is my card too old? |
| 04:41.36 | somiaj | could be |
| 04:41.42 | JordiGH | Erm, how do I get the mesa version? |
| 04:41.54 | somiaj | JordiGH: dpkg -l | grep mesa |
| 04:42.04 | somiaj | you will see some utils and gl libs |
| 04:42.47 | JordiGH | somiaj: Oh, mesa could be upgraded from backports. |
| 04:43.15 | somiaj | JordiGH: yes, but it can be a bit tricky in multiarch, there are various libaries and the likes that need to be upgraded for both amd64 and i386 |
| 04:43.48 | somiaj | unsure what version of mesa supports openGL 3.3 though. Might want to doulble check that the newer version is mesa supports that and the older one doesn't first |
| 04:44.18 | somiaj | what version does glxinfo say you have? |
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| 04:45.18 | JordiGH | Uh, 2.1 |
| 04:45.43 | somiaj | check /var/log/Xorg.0.log, it might be hardware related. |
| 04:47.41 | ^peter^ | aa |
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| 04:49.25 | somiaj | JordiGH: glxinfo does say Mesa is the Vendor String? |
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| 04:50.13 | JordiGH | somiaj: Yes. |
| 04:50.16 | JordiGH | Trying a backported mesa. |
| 04:50.19 | JordiGH | crosses fingers. |
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| 04:51.02 | JordiGH | Hm, do I need to restart X to use a newer mesa? |
| 04:51.46 | somiaj | JordiGH: might, unsure if the mesa drivers are laoded when xorg is laoded or when apps are run or a mix. |
| 04:51.58 | JordiGH | Yeah, glxinfo is still displaying the old mesa version. |
| 04:51.59 | JordiGH | brb |
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| 05:04.11 | JordiGH | So sad, it really looks like I can't get a newer mesa and I really think the OpenGL version is probably limited by my hardware. |
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| 05:09.27 | JordiGH | Hm, and just looked at a newer stinkpad with a newer Intel card. It says OpenGL 3.1 |
| 05:09.44 | JordiGH | Damn, the pcsx2 devs must just not target Intel cards. |
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| 05:17.08 | JordiGH | Oh, some intel cards are supported. Just apparently not mine. |
| 05:17.09 | JordiGH | Oh well. |
| 05:17.13 | JordiGH | It was worth a try. |
| 05:17.15 | JordiGH | Good night. |
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| 05:41.32 | micw | hi |
| 05:42.47 | micw | i'm running debian stretch with xfce4. since 2 or 3 days, the logout dialog does not appear anymore - instead i'm directly logged out from the session when i klick the button |
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| 05:47.15 | micw | sorry, my fault, got the solution: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/no-logout-dialog-in-xfce-4175435434/ |
| 05:47.31 | micw | it was the "prompt before logout" checkbox in session settings ^^ |
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| 05:52.38 | genoobie | jim, you here? |
| 05:52.52 | genoobie | or anyone with midi / sound expertise... |
| 05:53.04 | genoobie | for that matter |
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| 06:48.36 | linuxpc | hello, how safe and secure is Debian testing or a Debian testing based distro for Linux beginners? |
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| 06:52.02 | musca | linuxpc: It's unsafe and unsecure for everybody, not just for beginners. |
| 06:53.14 | linuxpc | but, some debian based distros are based on debian testing and they promote themselves as suitable for home use and suitable for beginners. |
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| 06:53.44 | linuxpc | what could be the possible risks in using debian testing? |
| 06:54.17 | missmbob | it literally has no security support |
| 06:54.24 | linuxpc | from the perspective of a user who uses it for home and office use and is a beginner in linux. |
| 06:54.31 | missmbob | !testing security |
| 06:54.31 | dpkg | The testing release does not receive full security support until just before release. Up until that time, security updates can take a few days to arrive and will often be new upstream versions which may require you to spend significant time reconfiguring applications. Don't run 'testing' on things where good security support and stability are important. See <moving target>. |
| 06:55.26 | linuxpc | ok. Which one is suitable, then? |
| 06:55.32 | musca | linuxpc: what answer did you expect in the stable support channel? |
| 06:55.45 | missmbob | stable. which now is jessie |
| 06:55.51 | linuxpc | ok. |
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| 06:56.29 | linuxpc | there is a debian testing based distro by name Sparky Linux. That is meant for beginners. |
| 06:56.40 | missmbob | and off topic here |
| 06:56.55 | musca | linuxpc: you can use jessie and add newer packages from jessie-backports |
| 06:57.09 | linuxpc | It means the security and stability of that distro is questionable? |
| 06:57.31 | linuxpc | musca, ok |
| 06:57.36 | musca | e.g.cinnamon 3.0.4 is available in backports.debian.org |
| 06:57.59 | linuxpc | what is the advantage in using cinnamon? |
| 06:58.14 | musca | it has a GUI |
| 06:58.54 | musca | the rest is about personal taste |
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| 07:00.32 | linuxpc | so, for anybody the Debian testing and a Debian testing based distro is a strict no no, then? If one's priority is stability and security. |
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| 07:03.19 | linuxpc | is there any such risks like virus and malware attacks in Debian testing? |
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| 07:07.23 | nkuttler | linuxpc: certainly, it's just software.. |
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| 07:07.52 | nkuttler | if anybody tells you some software is free from risks for malware, they are lying to you |
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| 07:11.20 | linuxpc | hello... |
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| 07:16.50 | jasabella | hiya |
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| 07:18.30 | linuxpc | hi, does debian stable need an anti virus software installed? |
| 07:19.06 | jasabella | is anyone familiar with the xorg packages? what is the absolute minimum that i need to run xorg? |
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| 07:22.23 | linuxpc | am I asking too silly questions? |
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| 07:24.01 | linuxpc | hello.. |
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| 07:24.26 | jasabella | hi |
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| 07:26.32 | tp43_ | where is the debian docs directory. Like if you install a docs package, where are those located? |
| 07:26.55 | jasabella | /usr/share/doc most likely |
| 07:27.01 | tp43_ | jasabella, thx |
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| 07:28.09 | jasabella | otherwise you can use dpkg --listfiles PACKAGE to find out |
| 07:28.12 | linuxpc | any answers for my question? |
| 07:28.26 | jasabella | i dont install an antivirus |
| 07:28.31 | jasabella | but i have nothing important |
| 07:29.04 | jasabella | you may want a firewall though, that's much more common |
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| 07:29.23 | jasabella | man irssi |
| 07:29.26 | jasabella | oops |
| 07:29.48 | linuxpc | ok |
| 07:29.56 | jasabella | but i'm not a security expert |
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| 07:29.57 | jasabella | ! |
| 07:30.09 | linuxpc | ok |
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| 07:33.45 | J1sy | Ok will there be a release this year |
| 07:34.35 | J1sy | & When |
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| 07:38.51 | jasabella | J1sy... https://wiki.debian.org/ReleasePolicy?action=show |
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| 09:36.43 | Velgor | protection for overflowing with bots? |
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| 09:37.06 | mrtrummp | debian!! |
| 09:37.20 | mrtrummp | anyoen get weird disk lockups using firefox and lots of youtube tabs? |
| 09:37.28 | mrtrummp | ive tried noop deadline cfq |
| 09:37.32 | mrtrummp | not sure |
| 09:37.38 | mrtrummp | weird luckups |
| 09:37.45 | mrtrummp | testing |
| 09:37.47 | mrtrummp | :) |
| 09:38.24 | mrtrummp | hmm |
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| 09:48.36 | f12 | How can you check if your file system is using a journal? |
| 09:48.55 | bazhang | which fs |
| 09:48.59 | f12 | xfs |
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| 10:38.51 | quarters | does debian 8 have a dhcpcd command? |
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| 10:39.12 | babilen | quarters: It does |
| 10:39.28 | quarters | babilen> what pkg can I find it in? |
| 10:39.36 | babilen | dpkg: tell quarters -about apt-file |
| 10:39.49 | babilen | judd: file bin/dhcpd |
| 10:39.52 | judd | Search for bin/dhcpd in jessie/amd64: isc-dhcp-server: usr/sbin/dhcpd; isc-dhcp-server-ldap: usr/sbin/dhcpd |
| 10:39.55 | babilen | quarters: ^ |
| 10:40.51 | Sevalecan | ooooh, I didn't know apt-file was a thing |
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| 10:41.33 | quarters | babilen: awesome. thanks! |
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| 10:50.46 | quarters | great. so I found it in dhcpcd5. I've been having issues with android tethering via usb on my debian 8 desktop. I got as far as it showing up in my ifconfig list as usb0 and just now dhcpcd usb0 fetched an ip address for the desktop via dhcp as did trying ifconfig usb0 up && dhclient usb0. But ultimately, I'm not able to connect online(as tested with ping 8.8.8.8 and apt-get install htop) |
| 10:50.56 | quarters | any help would be muuuch appreciated |
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| 10:51.27 | bazhang | you want which to be the hotspot |
| 10:51.34 | bazhang | the debian or the android |
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| 10:52.28 | _abc_ | I have trouble using a supported usb bt dongle on wheezy. It is detected properly in dmesg upon insertion, but bluez does not start up, hidd start attempt, manually, yields 'Can't open HIDP control socket: Address family not supported by protocol' -- ... |
| 10:52.32 | _abc_ | ... no other clues. The bluez packages are installed, most of them, including bluez-tools. |
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| 10:52.54 | _abc_ | The wiki @debian.org contains seriously obsolete information on this. Please point me right. |
| 10:52.57 | quarters | bazhang: the android phone would be the hotspot |
| 10:53.09 | _abc_ | Btw the dongle worked on etch, and still does (on another machine) |
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| 10:53.48 | bazhang | quarters, that is set on the android device |
| 10:54.10 | bazhang | just have your debian machine look for it |
| 10:54.11 | quarters | bazhang: yes, I forgot to mention that usb tethering is enabled on the phone as well |
| 10:54.25 | bazhang | choose one |
| 10:54.28 | quarters | bazhang: this is a usb hotspot, not wireless as well, to be specific |
| 10:54.52 | bazhang | the wifi connecting is easier imo |
| 10:55.29 | quarters | bazhang: I'm sure it is, but it doesn't work for my current configuration for a number of reasons...which I could go into |
| 10:55.34 | _abc_ | Hmm it appears there is no bluez.ko in this kernel. Sigh, checking custom built kernel config... |
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| 10:58.24 | grawity | there's no bluez.ko in any kernel |
| 10:58.31 | grawity | because that's userspace software |
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| 11:00.57 | xcel_ | any idea? someone said something about a forkbomb |
| 11:01.43 | _abc_ | In a debian kernel config context, are there any debian-specific kernel config options in the make menuconfig, or other kernel build option selection systems? |
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| 11:23.54 | _abc_ | So, again, debian howtos? Is there any effort to update the wiki? Or at least automatically run through all pages and put the last change date on each wiki page? Been reading obsolete entries for hours now. Comments? |
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| 11:24.16 | _abc_ | *last edit date, not last change (stat info) |
| 11:24.21 | stoned | Is there a better gui text editor than kate but has kate features? |
| 11:24.28 | stoned | like perhaps markdown rendering |
| 11:24.31 | stoned | or lex rendering |
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| 11:31.41 | _abc_ | grawity: interesting, building kernel now, bluez included. bluez is the official bt support package in debian. Been using it since v2, now using 3 and 4. 4 is on the wheezy kernel. |
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| 11:41.59 | xcel_ | fuck i give up |
| 11:42.00 | xcel_ | :< |
| 11:42.46 | bolt | xcel_: what is your issue? |
| 11:42.56 | scardinal | Hey! Trying to upgrade an old debian 6 to 7 but slapd keeps acting up. It says: Loading the database from the LDIF dump failed with the following error while running slapadd: olcDbDirectory: value #0: invalid path: No such file or directory. config error processing olcDatabase={2}hdb,cn=config: olcDbDirectory: value #0: invalid path: No such file or directory. Anyone that can help ? |
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| 11:45.08 | scardinal | upgrading slapd-2.4.23-7.3+deb6u2 to 2.4.31-2+deb7u2 |
| 11:45.21 | xcel_ | bolt: i get /bin/bash: warning: shell level (1000) too high, resetting to 1 |
| 11:45.26 | colo-work | scardinal, you are in openldap hell now. #openldap may be able to help. |
| 11:45.29 | xcel_ | when trying to update/upgrade |
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| 11:46.00 | xcel_ | and it creates alot of python3 processses whihc eats memory and cpu |
| 11:46.44 | _abc_ | ok grawity +1 there is no bluez.ko but the bluetooth stack started up after rebuilding the pared down kernel with bluetooth modules enabled. |
| 11:46.48 | _abc_ | thanks |
| 11:47.08 | scardinal | colo-work: okay thanks |
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| 11:48.02 | xcel_ | is there someway to reinstall apt-get? :S im completly lost here |
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| 12:02.00 | bolt | xcel_: what are you trying to upgrade? |
| 12:02.13 | xcel_ | sudo apt-get upgrade |
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| 12:02.35 | bolt | xcel_: which release are you on? |
| 12:02.44 | xcel_ | jessie |
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| 12:02.49 | xcel_ | was on stretch |
| 12:03.00 | xcel_ | tried to se if'd help to change back to stable |
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| 12:03.07 | bolt | xcel_: downgrading from stretch isn't supported, i think |
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| 12:03.34 | xcel_ | ok but i stillge t the same erros |
| 12:03.59 | bolt | xcel_: do you get the same errors on a system that's not messed up with a half downgraded stretch install? |
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| 12:06.17 | xcel_ | everything i doe i get /bin/bash: warning: shell level (1000) too high, resetting to 1 |
| 12:06.31 | bolt | xcel_: your system is messed up. reinstall. |
| 12:07.04 | xcel_ | i guess |
| 12:07.06 | xcel_ | :( |
| 12:07.34 | James_T | :( |
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| 12:08.18 | bolt | it's nearly impossible to provide support over irc for a jessie/stretch hybrid in a messed up state. don't play with the testing release if you're not prepared to fix it. |
| 12:08.49 | bolt | if you want to play with stretch, install and use stretch, and use #debian-next on OFTC for your questions |
| 12:08.53 | abrotman | change your shell? |
| 12:09.12 | bolt | abrotman: changing the shell won't fix apt going ballistic, i think |
| 12:09.12 | xcel_ | guess i'll learned my lesson :) bolt im on deb-next, abrotman i use zsh |
| 12:09.15 | abrotman | start busybox |
| 12:09.47 | jasabella | is anyone familiar enough with how the xorg packages are split to provide some advice on what packages i need to achieve a minimal xorg server? i'm doing this for a headless server |
| 12:10.17 | xcel_ | there something messed up with pythen |
| 12:10.26 | xcel_ | ooh fuck guess iäll reinstall |
| 12:10.31 | grawity | ...for headless, you'd probably want xvfb or xdummy, not xorg? |
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| 12:10.49 | jasabella | yeah i'm going to use xdummy, xserver-xorg-video-dummy |
| 12:11.22 | jasabella | but do i need xserver-xorg-video-fbdev? |
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| 12:12.08 | jasabella | otherwise i'd use xvfb |
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| 12:14.28 | grawity | no you don't |
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| 12:15.58 | xcel_ | i dont |
| 12:15.59 | xcel_ | FUCK |
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| 12:23.56 | teraflops | thanks for sharing with us such personal details xcel_ |
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| 13:22.38 | Acool | hello, i have an probem... I get this error: http://pastebin.com/qZQm6ebA |
| 13:23.25 | Acool | can anyone may help me ? |
| 13:23.34 | abrotman | Acool: get that error doing what? on what OS? |
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| 13:33.02 | _abc_ | Does anyone know what bluetooth (normal not ble) packet or signal is used to "wake" headsets and the like when an incoming ring comes in on a connected phone? |
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| 13:47.25 | linuxpc | is there any channel for debian testing? |
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| 13:47.51 | rdococ | debiananan |
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| 13:49.58 | dvs | !testing |
| 13:49.58 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <stretch>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting . Support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and ask me about <testing faq> <jessie->stretch> <testing security> <moving target> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You need a sound knowledge of Debian and be prepared for a very bumpy ride. Don't use it on things that are critical! |
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| 13:50.50 | Armays_ | hello |
| 13:50.58 | Armays_ | Can somebody please help me ? |
| 13:51.12 | dvs | !ask |
| 13:51.12 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 13:52.49 | Armays_ | I am trying to use systcl but it says command not found |
| 13:52.57 | Armays_ | do i have to install sysctl ? |
| 13:55.02 | pampeho | Armays_ i guess you have to run it as root |
| 13:55.08 | pampeho | sudo sysctl |
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| 13:56.17 | Armays_ | yes thanks !! |
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| 13:56.42 | doublehp | sensors issues: where to set the min rpm value ? some temp probes used to provide normal values 2 weeks ago, but since distro upgrade, they return 0; any clue ? |
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| 14:01.40 | spm_draget | How can I reset my mysql database and restore it completely to the empty default mainter version? |
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| 14:02.09 | genoobie | anybody here using linux / debian for sound recording? |
| 14:02.29 | abrotman | genoobie: please ask your real question |
| 14:02.55 | stoned | yes |
| 14:03.02 | doublehp | spm_draget: #sql |
| 14:03.08 | genoobie | okay, so I have two soundcards, one cheap soundblaster audigy and one external 2i4 usb recording device |
| 14:03.18 | doublehp | !tell genoobie about ask |
| 14:03.29 | genoobie | I don't really understand the sound setup... |
| 14:03.31 | stoned | I use onboard sound chip and rt kernel with audacity and hydrogen. |
| 14:03.34 | stoned | simple. |
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| 14:03.43 | stoned | plugin guitar and off i go |
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| 14:03.54 | spm_draget | doublehp: I am not trying to drop a database. I want to reset the package to the maintainer version. |
| 14:04.01 | genoobie | stoned, yeah, I'm kind of looking at that and possibly some midi / ardour? |
| 14:04.13 | stoned | never used midi or ardouus |
| 14:04.43 | doublehp | spm_draget: there are options for apt-get and dpkg, whether you want to keep misc files or not; it's the difference between remove and purge; check man pages. |
| 14:04.45 | stoned | Debian is kind of difficult to do recording with |
| 14:04.48 | stoned | as is any linux really |
| 14:04.59 | genoobie | in any case, maybe I want to watch a youtube video on how to record in linux |
| 14:05.00 | doublehp | spm_draget: remove, purge, and reinstall |
| 14:05.01 | stoned | If you are trying to do pro level or whaetver production |
| 14:05.08 | stoned | you want windows or osx |
| 14:05.08 | genoobie | I get no sound |
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| 14:05.21 | stoned | sorry to tell you that, but after 8 years of toling around on linux w/ this and making music |
| 14:05.31 | stoned | linux is really not where sound production is. |
| 14:05.36 | stoned | this can be a hobby at best |
| 14:05.42 | stoned | toling around and playing around |
| 14:05.47 | genoobie | yeah, not looking at pro-level, hobby level is fine |
| 14:05.50 | stoned | ok |
| 14:05.55 | genoobie | but I'm trying to use JACK/ |
| 14:06.16 | genoobie | if I turn on JACK, (with a gui like QJACKCTRL) my video stops playing. |
| 14:06.20 | doublehp | stoned: basic sound is now easy with modern Alsa; but since modern video cards now ship up to 2 sound cards in, plus USB stuff, plus thunderbolt ... a computer can easily have 12+ snd cards ... |
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| 14:06.40 | stoned | *mod* |
| 14:06.43 | stoned | *nod* |
| 14:06.50 | genoobie | so basically, at the moment, I have no sound. |
| 14:07.07 | genoobie | I unplugged my USB device so technically there is one sound card/ |
| 14:07.21 | genoobie | and I can get nothing... |
| 14:07.26 | stoned | I use alsa and pulseaudio |
| 14:07.31 | doublehp | genoobie: you need to start by the base. Ask alsa to make a list of the cards it can see; check which one is the default for now; and then, state what you really want |
| 14:07.37 | stoned | I'm not sure why I installed publise, everything works in alsa |
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| 14:07.50 | stoned | aplay -L or something iirc |
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| 14:08.01 | stoned | Actualy I don't remember alsa-tools and -utils binaries |
| 14:08.06 | genoobie | okay doublehp so if I start "alsamixergui" only capture and master coem up |
| 14:08.21 | stoned | genoobie: you can use alsa to dump all detected cards |
| 14:08.24 | doublehp | stoned: every single DVI/HDMI is a sound adapter; plus, you can have bad connections on your mother board, or mixxed front-back pannels |
| 14:08.34 | stoned | yes, I have that too doublehp |
| 14:08.46 | doublehp | genoobie: no; first, ask alsa the list of cards |
| 14:08.47 | genoobie | doublehp, no audio through video here |
| 14:08.58 | genoobie | anyhow I have no sound. |
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| 14:09.08 | genoobie | and just the soundblaster card is plugged in |
| 14:09.24 | stoned | https://wiki.debian.org/SoundFAQ |
| 14:09.24 | genoobie | I'm sure that alsa is running the sound system |
| 14:09.30 | stoned | https://wiki.debian.org/SoundConfiguration |
| 14:09.35 | stoned | Consult two first. |
| 14:09.47 | doublehp | genoobie: i don't have the GUI, but in console version, F6 let me choose the card |
| 14:09.49 | genoobie | stoned,that's basically what I am looking for |
| 14:10.10 | genoobie | sadly, my sound *was* working. |
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| 14:10.26 | stoned | It will work again |
| 14:10.40 | stoned | cat /proc/asound/cards and see if all them are listed |
| 14:10.41 | genoobie | I don't really understand how "jack" and alsa and sound work together |
| 14:10.58 | stoned | Neither do I. |
| 14:11.00 | doublehp | genoobie: on my box I have 4 cards: one sound, plus 3 video cards. Each card has btween 2 and 4 physical master outputs (depending on how I plug wires). |
| 14:11.12 | stoned | http://alsa.opensrc.org/MultipleCards <- check this out for multiple card config |
| 14:11.19 | genoobie | doublehp, my system is *much* simpler and it still doesn't work |
| 14:11.26 | genoobie | right now, I just want one card to word |
| 14:11.28 | stoned | often I have to (on new installs) find out which one it is and use that as the default |
| 14:11.34 | stoned | usually I use kde kmix program but never in cli |
| 14:11.35 | genoobie | so I disconnected my external card |
| 14:11.36 | doublehp | genoobie: so you don't have hdmi at all ? |
| 14:11.42 | genoobie | doublehp, no |
| 14:12.05 | doublehp | genoobie: laptpo ? |
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| 14:12.13 | genoobie | stoned, cat /proc/asound/cards shows the "audigy soundblaster" |
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| 14:12.18 | genoobie | doublehp, no |
| 14:12.24 | genoobie | doublehp, older dimension 8400 |
| 14:12.36 | genoobie | but it was recording and playing back just fine... |
| 14:12.37 | doublehp | genoobie: home made machine, or fancy brand like HP/ASUS ... ? |
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| 14:12.53 | stoned | are the channel smuted? |
| 14:13.00 | stoned | volume levels are good? |
| 14:13.14 | stoned | what's the default card? |
| 14:13.17 | genoobie | stoned, not sure, no gui |
| 14:13.25 | stoned | alsamixergui |
| 14:13.34 | stoned | press f5 or f6 or something |
| 14:13.35 | doublehp | genoobie: very unlikely on Dell, but, did you check sound is properly nabled in BIOS ? |
| 14:13.43 | genoobie | doublehp, yes |
| 14:13.50 | genoobie | onboard sound is off |
| 14:14.04 | genoobie | the only card that shows in cat /proc/asound/cards is soundblaster |
| 14:14.09 | doublehp | then, check master and PCM channels are unmuted, and volume at 50-70% |
| 14:14.31 | doublehp | alsa ships a small sound tester ... |
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| 14:15.11 | genoobie | when I bring up alsamixer gui there are two two master levels and two capture levels, that's it |
| 14:15.24 | stoned | select a diff card |
| 14:15.29 | doublehp | speaker-test |
| 14:15.41 | genoobie | stoned, I cannot |
| 14:15.49 | stoned | use alsamixer, sorry |
| 14:15.52 | stoned | that's what I use |
| 14:15.54 | stoned | then press like 5f5 |
| 14:15.57 | stoned | hang on |
| 14:16.11 | stoned | │ View: F3:[Playback] F4: Capture F5: All F6: Select sound card │ |
| 14:16.23 | stoned | F6 and see what's listed |
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| 14:16.32 | stoned | select the right card and rest of the knobs will appear |
| 14:16.35 | stoned | hopefully |
| 14:16.37 | genoobie | stoned, yes |
| 14:16.41 | genoobie | that works! |
| 14:17.03 | genoobie | so what the heck with "alsamixergui" not being able to do that? |
| 14:17.10 | stoned | no clue. |
| 14:17.13 | stoned | don't use gooey shits. |
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| 14:17.59 | genoobie | stoned, how do you select the "knob" |
| 14:18.00 | doublehp | GUI 0 - console 1 |
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| 14:18.12 | stoned | move over w/ arrow keys |
| 14:18.18 | stoned | then up/down to adjust level |
| 14:18.20 | genoobie | nm |
| 14:18.23 | stoned | :) |
| 14:18.25 | genoobie | just figured |
| 14:18.31 | genoobie | stupid question |
| 14:18.36 | stoned | also read the man page for alsamixer |
| 14:18.44 | stoned | and whatever docs are in /usr/share |
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| 14:18.52 | genoobie | stoned, what is "PCM" |
| 14:18.56 | stoned | no clue. |
| 14:18.58 | stoned | I forgot. |
| 14:19.03 | stoned | personal computer music? |
| 14:19.49 | stoned | primary channel master? |
| 14:19.51 | stoned | I dunno. |
| 14:20.19 | abrotman | !pcm |
| 14:20.19 | dpkg | pcm is probably Pulse Code Modulation, an encoding that represts intensity for several samples. In the case of audio, each sample is how far the speaker should go out or in to produce sound. two channels at 44100 samples per second each, or 44100 hertz is CD quality |
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| 14:20.54 | stoned | ty |
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| 14:25.32 | colo-work | it seems like qemu 2.7 guest systems (with qemu from jessie backports), at least under some conditions, fail to boot if seabios isn't from backports, too. |
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| 14:39.51 | genoobie | stoned, doublehp I set all the levels in alsa mixer to middle levels, nothing |
| 14:40.16 | genoobie | I did sudo -i and tried to aplay foo.wav and nothing |
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| 14:40.36 | genoobie | Sound was working, now it's not...this makes me pretty sad |
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| 14:40.53 | doublehp | no sound coming out ? 50% may not be enough; try 80-90 . Also triple check your jack plug, and that when you touch the tip of the plug, you get noise: is amp really at max ? |
| 14:41.18 | genoobie | I know the headphones are working |
| 14:41.25 | doublehp | sound is a particular case with many external possible proiblems, like ... cats/mice eating wires |
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| 14:41.37 | doublehp | just check them again ... |
| 14:42.10 | genoobie | yep |
| 14:42.30 | dvs | buys some mousetraps |
| 14:42.33 | genoobie | headphones do work |
| 14:42.47 | genoobie | speaker-test doesn't produce anything audible |
| 14:43.19 | genoobie | if I plug in my USB soundcard I can get midi but that's it |
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| 14:44.32 | doublehp | genoobie: last tip: check it's not muted: MM at bottom of channel; you want to have 00, not MM |
| 14:44.55 | genoobie | okay so how do I change that? |
| 14:44.58 | doublehp | also, i have a bug on my computer, if i press mute twice, I get back 00, but not sound ... |
| 14:45.01 | doublehp | m key |
| 14:45.06 | genoobie | crap |
| 14:45.11 | genoobie | that's prolly it. |
| 14:45.11 | genoobie | brb |
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| 14:47.35 | genoobie | okay, everytime I start alsamixer, "pulseaudio" is somekind of default |
| 14:47.47 | genoobie | I have to manually select soundblaster as the card |
| 14:48.02 | genoobie | my guess is the system is using "pulseaudio" aso some kind of default |
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| 14:50.44 | genoobie | doublehp, why does "Card: Pulseaudio" "Chip: Pulseaudio" come up as the default device? |
| 14:50.54 | doublehp | no clue |
| 14:51.07 | doublehp | years i did not install linux (it just works) |
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| 14:51.26 | doublehp | genoobie: check the debian sound configuration tutos |
| 14:51.33 | genoobie | when I bring up alsamixergui it does the samething, but in alsamixergui, no option to change cards like console |
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| 14:52.01 | doublehp | genoobie: GUI all sux |
| 14:52.22 | genoobie | find, but they both point to some kind of "pulseaudio" as a default |
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| 14:54.47 | genoobie | aaaagggghhhh! |
| 14:54.52 | genoobie | sorry |
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| 14:55.19 | dvs | !lart genoobie |
| 14:55.19 | dpkg | blames genoobie for all the evil in the world |
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| 15:04.56 | genoobie | okay so it seems "pulseaudio" is already runnign |
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| 15:07.17 | _abc_ | How can I find out if I am using alsa or pulseaudio? pulseaudio is in ps output, alsad is not |
| 15:07.24 | _abc_ | I assume this is sufficient? |
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| 15:07.40 | genoobie | ?? |
| 15:07.53 | dvs | _abc_, pulseaudio sits on top of ALSA as far as I know. |
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| 15:08.22 | _abc_ | In theory. In practice, took me 4 hours to find out how to use a bt headset as audio device on wheezy. |
| 15:08.36 | genoobie | _abc_, sounds about right |
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| 15:08.59 | genoobie | _abc_, I lost my sound yesterday... |
| 15:09.09 | pbn4 | where I can find debug logs for /sys/kernel/debug/bluetooth/6lowpan_control ? |
| 15:09.21 | pbn4 | I'm using raspbian |
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| 15:09.22 | rdococ | is it healthy for a process to be "uninterruptible"? |
| 15:09.36 | _abc_ | genoobie: sound cannot be lost. It can be misplaced ;) |
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| 15:10.47 | genoobie | _abc_, yep, could take hours to find it. |
| 15:10.51 | genoobie | this is so sad... |
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| 15:13.00 | _abc_ | It's usually only one misconfig in one of the 12 config files. No worries. You do log what you change, right? |
| 15:13.23 | genoobie | _abc_, my kid is using this machine too... |
| 15:13.29 | genoobie | _abc_, so not quite |
| 15:13.35 | jelly | pbn4: probably best to ask in #raspbian |
| 15:13.42 | genoobie | but my kid doesn't know how to edit config files, etc. |
| 15:14.03 | genoobie | *beep* works, that's about it. |
| 15:14.17 | _abc_ | is there a pavucontrol equivalent for cli? |
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| 15:14.40 | genoobie | _abc_, not that i am aware of |
| 15:15.12 | genoobie | Ideally I'd just like to use my external sound device |
| 15:15.19 | genoobie | and eventually dump the soundcard |
| 15:15.32 | _abc_ | **** expletive deleted. Anyone heard about debian@rpi etc? Not everyone runs freedesktop. Please stop breaking debian by ubuntuizing it. |
| 15:16.30 | bardkorren | !lart ubuntu |
| 15:16.30 | dpkg | beats ubuntu severely about the head and shoulders with a rubber chicken |
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| 15:16.38 | dvs | ha |
| 15:16.51 | jelly | not many people run debian on a rpi, it's just with model 3 that armhf debian can run on a rpi |
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| 15:17.13 | _abc_ | fun. Music playing on pulseaudio via bt handsfree, pulseaudio is in ps; pacmd -> No PulseAudio daemon running, or not running as session daemon. -- FUN! |
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| 15:17.38 | _abc_ | jelly: I think lots do, and there are also other embedded platforms which run debian meanwhile |
| 15:17.43 | _abc_ | All headless |
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| 15:18.54 | _abc_ | using lsof to find the audio device actually used is almost like reading live kernel structs with gdb attached to kernel |
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| 15:21.15 | _abc_ | what's an entry like @/org/bluez/audio in lsof output? looks like a dbus address. |
| 15:23.24 | _abc_ | fyi I had to resort to non debian resources to make it work |
| 15:23.28 | _abc_ | ref http://blog.whatgeek.com.pt/2014/04/raspberry-pi-bluetooth-wireless-speaker/ |
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| 15:25.21 | _abc_ | Oh, btw, alsamixer sees the default audio HD device in this motherboard just fine |
| 15:25.42 | genoobie | _abc_, I'd be willing to pay someone for a sound consult... |
| 15:25.54 | genoobie | But there are probably not any local experts in linux sound. |
| 15:26.05 | _abc_ | This is not about money, it is about things which broke somewhere between etch and now |
| 15:26.17 | _abc_ | "too much time spent on gui screenshots" imho |
| 15:26.34 | _abc_ | local to where? This is the internet dude. |
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| 15:26.55 | genoobie | I know but I'd hire someone to teach my about linux's sound interface |
| 15:27.11 | genoobie | someone who has expertise with JACK + alsa + ardour |
| 15:27.49 | genoobie | right now I can only make the computer beep |
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| 15:28.33 | genoobie | who I open up alsa, "pulseaudio" is what comes up as the default sound car |
| 15:28.37 | _abc_ | genoobie: try bluez-test-device trusted $MAC then bluez-test-audio connect $MAC |
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| 15:29.18 | genoobie | ?? |
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| 15:29.34 | genoobie | isn't bluez-test-device some kind of binary |
| 15:29.39 | _abc_ | genoobie: just do it. bluez-test-device trusted $MAC |
| 15:29.54 | _abc_ | it is a python script. Snakes are really bad. |
| 15:30.02 | genoobie | cmd not found |
| 15:30.14 | _abc_ | genoobie: apt get install bluez-utils |
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| 15:31.05 | genoobie | has no installation candidate? |
| 15:32.01 | dvs | ,v bluez-utils |
| 15:32.02 | judd | Package: bluez-utils on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.99-2 |
| 15:32.15 | genoobie | Why am I looking at bluetooth? |
| 15:32.24 | genoobie | there's no bluetooth on this system |
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| 15:36.00 | _abc_ | Sorry, that was not clear |
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| 15:40.41 | _abc_ | http://www.cplusplus.com/forum/unices/127440/ so moving from bluez4 to 5 was progrss, you say? |
| 15:40.45 | _abc_ | Maybe not. |
| 15:42.31 | mrtrummp | hey anyone try gpfs? |
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| 15:42.43 | mrtrummp | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_General_Parallel_File_System |
| 15:43.19 | mrtrummp | I always wanted to try mogileFS personally |
| 15:43.57 | ghormoon | hi, just to confirm, luks overhead is "hidden" in kworker threads if i watch top? |
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| 15:57.38 | grawity | yeah, though if your cpu does aes-ni therr's very little overhead in the first place |
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| 15:58.21 | gebruiker | what is the release date of stretch? |
| 15:58.29 | gebruiker | !stretch |
| 15:58.30 | dpkg | The release following Debian 8 "Jessie" is codenamed "Stretch" (the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3) and will be Debian 9: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/11/msg00005.html. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch |
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| 16:00.04 | babilen | gebruiker: Nobody knows (yet) |
| 16:01.14 | gebruiker | babilen: oh i thought 5.0 would be included and this was the reason of the delay a while back, now I read the soft freeze is in a couple of days |
| 16:01.34 | gebruiker | linux 5.0 that is |
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| 16:10.41 | iwkse | Hi, how do you generally upgrade packages skipping the ones marked by apt-listbugs? |
| 16:11.56 | iwkse | I'm using apt-show-packages -u to get all upgradable and I guess I have to send such data to apt-listbugs and filter it. There's something that already does that? |
| 16:12.10 | iwkse | apt-show-packages/apt-show-versions |
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| 16:12.39 | MarcL | Hi everyone, I am on Jessie 64 bit and I have 2 user id that appears on the log in screen before to put the password, I want to delete the second because it takes spaces and I never use it anymore, what command should I give in the terminal to get rid of it? thanks in advance |
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| 16:14.37 | iwkse | MarcL: check deluser and userdel |
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| 16:16.02 | MarcL | iwkse, sudo check delUSERNAMETODELETE ?? |
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| 16:16.10 | n4dir | iwkse: i don't know if there is a better (different) solution, i would set them on hol. |
| 16:16.13 | n4dir | ups: hold |
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| 16:16.49 | n4dir | dpkg hold |
| 16:16.49 | dpkg | hold is a status flag that tells the package manager to not automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package 'echo $package hold|dpkg --set-selections' or 'aptitude hold $package'. Note that "aptitude hold" is ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager, synaptic, apt-get) and aptitude won't necessarily use holds set with dpkg; see Debian bug #137771 (fixed in stretch). See also <hold list>, <unhold>. |
| 16:17.12 | iwkse | n4dir: yes but..that it's likely to be temporary |
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| 16:17.27 | iwkse | but sounds like a good idea anyway |
| 16:17.37 | n4dir | like said: i know of no other solution, and never ran into it |
| 16:17.38 | iwkse | I can remove that from hold when the bugs are marked as solved |
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| 16:18.02 | myselphabet | is anybody running clementine 1.3 on debian? |
| 16:18.31 | myselphabet | if so: I compiled it from sourcecode but no sound was generated and I have absolutely no clue |
| 16:18.36 | iwkse | MarcL: sudo userdel <username> |
| 16:18.54 | myselphabet | tried some precompiled package and ofc dependencies were missing (which I didn_t even find to install) |
| 16:20.12 | MarcL | iwkse, that's it? no other command? |
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| 16:21.15 | iwkse | MarcL: check the man page of userdel and deluser, I beleive you just need userdel |
| 16:21.40 | Iridos | MarcL, read the manpage to it… "man userdel" and "man deluser" … that should tell you what it does and what it doesn't do |
| 16:22.01 | MarcL | thanks guys |
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| 16:23.26 | toruvinn | what would you guys use just to run some java server in a VM? qemu? dont think i want lxc there. |
| 16:25.40 | iwkse | toruvinn: you could use a headless virtualbox |
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| 16:34.18 | toruvinn | iwkse, so is VBox preferred to qemu? |
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| 16:34.45 | babilen | It isn't |
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| 16:34.51 | jelly | toruvinn: eh, if you have VT-x, use kvm? |
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| 16:35.23 | babilen | toruvinn: Take a look at virt-manager if you are looking for a GUI |
| 16:35.27 | jelly | or whatever amd hw virtualization capability is called |
| 16:36.06 | toruvinn | babilen, actually not looking for a gui at all, it is indeed headless. |
| 16:36.35 | toruvinn | jelly, kvm is just qemu as far as i can tell from apt-cache show kvm ;-) |
| 16:36.48 | jelly | no, qemu is just a frontend for kvm :-) |
| 16:37.05 | DK-HaZe | Someone have been able to get into my server, created a folder called flips both on server and on my NAS/RAID, is there any way that I can check how they got into my system? I'm running raspbian on the server |
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| 16:37.07 | toruvinn | ah, ok |
| 16:37.16 | toruvinn | jelly, will look into that, thanks. thanks, babilen and iwkse. |
| 16:37.19 | babilen | toruvinn: virsh might come in handy |
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| 16:38.10 | Ar2di2 | #clementine |
| 16:38.19 | jelly | no, #debian ! |
| 16:38.28 | Ar2di2 | indeed |
| 16:38.41 | jelly | they work well together |
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| 16:58.45 | osmo_sms | Hello, I update lightdm.. and now.. autologin stop working.. any know what to do? lightdm.conf have same config... |
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| 16:59.21 | teraflops | osmo_sms: jessie? |
| 16:59.26 | osmo_sms | right |
| 17:02.04 | teraflops | osmo_sms: out of curiosity, you updated from what to what? (versión number) |
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| 17:06.34 | osmo_sms | teraflops, no idea, I update a lot of packges.. now i try to read logs |
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| 17:07.06 | jak2000 | hi all |
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| 17:07.45 | linuxpc | hello, is Debian stable generally faster than Debian Testing? |
| 17:08.15 | linuxpc | I am using Debian Testing, sometimes it becomes sluggish. |
| 17:08.40 | jak2000 | i have a problem: i have a windows pc named: BasculaSvr if i try ping: ping BasculaSvr not answer but if try ping to the ip of: BasculaSvr (192.168.1.142) it answer my question is... is possible my linux know the host BasculaSvr ? in windows i modified windows\ssytem32\hosts or lmhost (not remeber) and i can solve the problem... any advice? |
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| 17:09.17 | linuxpc | Linux beginner here. |
| 17:09.24 | teraflops | jak2000: yeah you can do the same editing /etc/hosts |
| 17:09.25 | linuxpc | Using Debian Testing. |
| 17:09.56 | linuxpc | any help? |
| 17:09.58 | dvs | linuxpc: #debian-testing on OFTC |
| 17:10.01 | jelly | linuxpc: not in general |
| 17:10.02 | teraflops | you can also use avahi, msdos or even set up your own dns server |
| 17:10.10 | jelly | dvs: it's #debian-next |
| 17:10.17 | dvs | Ah, sorry |
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| 17:10.57 | teraflops | mdns* |
| 17:10.58 | linuxpc | ok. Need a distro suitable for a beginner. Something that I can install and start working. Is Debian stable suitable for me? |
| 17:11.12 | jelly | linuxpc: yes. |
| 17:11.43 | linuxpc | For the last couple of days have been using Debian testing. Sometimes it becomes slow. |
| 17:11.54 | jelly | if you managed to install testing, you should be able to do it with stable as well, if the hardware is old enough to be well supported |
| 17:12.14 | linuxpc | It is a 10 year old laptop. |
| 17:12.29 | jelly | linuxpc: does it have at last 2-4GiB RAM? |
| 17:12.46 | jelly | at lEast |
| 17:12.46 | linuxpc | Need a fast and responsive Linux OS. |
| 17:13.03 | linuxpc | Celeron M single core 1.6 Ghz cpu, 2 gb ram. |
| 17:13.33 | linuxpc | have tried a few distros, am not satisfied. |
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| 17:13.56 | jelly | linuxpc: that's on the low end. Switch to a less bulky desktop environment, or avoid DEs completely and use a simple WM and its panel. |
| 17:14.26 | linuxpc | and one more query, is Debian faster than its derivatives like Ubuntu and Mint? |
| 17:14.54 | jelly | linuxpc: your machine is old and slow, things aren't going to feel snappy without tuning |
| 17:14.56 | linuxpc | will download Debian stable with lxde. |
| 17:15.14 | jelly | a merely 5 years old laptop would be much better |
| 17:15.22 | n4dir | teh biggest problem is the web-browser |
| 17:15.23 | jak2000 | teraflops done... thanks |
| 17:16.00 | linuxpc | I would choose some lightweigh DE. But, I want to be able to start working on it without much tweaking. I am a beginner. |
| 17:16.08 | n4dir | the rest you can easily workaround with such spece, the web-browser is quite a problem. |
| 17:16.23 | linuxpc | yes. |
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| 17:16.50 | n4dir | linuxpc: if you say you are a beginner, xfce4 has a graphical control center to make settings, not sure if lxde has such |
| 17:16.56 | jelly | firefox with NoScript and careful whitelisting might do |
| 17:17.12 | n4dir | you can try both, of course, they should work well together |
| 17:17.40 | linuxpc | but, I have read on the internet that Debian is not as beginner friendly as some of its derivatives. Why? |
| 17:17.43 | jelly | I had a similar machine since 2005, basically gave up on it in 2010 and got a desktop with 4-8GB RAM instead |
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| 17:18.02 | jelly | it was too slow even in 2010 |
| 17:18.10 | n4dir | has more than just one of such machines, all from the garbage ... |
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| 17:18.18 | linuxpc | yes. my laptop was also bought in 2005. |
| 17:18.32 | jelly | (an SSD helped... a little. 2GB RAM max was... too little) |
| 17:18.45 | n4dir | imho you don't gain that much if you replace lxde or xfce with a window-manager. |
| 17:18.45 | tharkun | I'm trying to test a secure site that has a letscrypt certificate yet curl fails to download the page saying it checks a bundle of Certifia Authority this whole setup is running under Debian Stable (8.6) What am I missing? |
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| 17:19.19 | linuxpc | is Debian not so beginner friendly? |
| 17:19.29 | saptech | linuxpc, take a look at Salix OS and Q4OS. If possible with Xfce or LXDE |
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| 17:19.47 | linuxpc | ok. |
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| 17:20.01 | jelly | tharkun: what does "openssl s_client -CApath /etc/ssl/certs -connect your-https-server:443" say? |
| 17:20.02 | saptech | Debian is fairly easy if you have installed before |
| 17:20.13 | n4dir | per default it doesn't come with non-free software, hence setting up wireless or graphics is up to the user (depends on the hardware, duh). But nothing which couldn't be done. linuxpc |
| 17:20.18 | linuxpc | what do you say about Sparky Linux. |
| 17:20.21 | linuxpc | ? |
| 17:20.39 | saptech | I've never used it myself |
| 17:20.40 | jelly | linuxpc: this channel may not know much about other distros |
| 17:20.50 | jelly | linuxpc: try asking in ##linux |
| 17:21.07 | n4dir | this way or that way i yet have to run in a more light distro than debian, besides the obscure ones like puppy linux |
| 17:21.11 | jelly | didn't we have this conversation in #debian-offtopic? |
| 17:21.34 | dvs | yup |
| 17:21.47 | saptech | If savvy enough could do a Net Install of Debian and really keep it lightweight |
| 17:22.05 | n4dir | netinstall has nothing to do with being light |
| 17:22.13 | saptech | why not |
| 17:22.21 | teraflops | jak2000: np |
| 17:22.23 | jelly | linuxpc: you could keep your testing, but switch to a simple WM or lighter DE (lxde? lxqt?) |
| 17:22.24 | n4dir | well: think about it. What does it do? |
| 17:22.29 | tharkun | jelly: Verify return code: 21 (unable to verify the first certificate) |
| 17:22.48 | jelly | tharkun: interesting, pastebin the full output? |
| 17:22.52 | n4dir | it downloads the files during installation, else the installer is the same. how should that end in a more light installation |
| 17:22.54 | n4dir | ? |
| 17:23.09 | saptech | then you only add what you need |
| 17:23.29 | saptech | install fluxbox or openbox |
| 17:23.31 | jelly | ,i lxqt --release stretch |
| 17:23.31 | n4dir | can do that with any installation media, even with a DVD.iso, if that is what you want |
| 17:23.32 | judd | Package lxqt (metapackages, optional) in stretch/amd64: Metapackage for LXQt. Version: 7; Size: 3.1k; Installed: 10k; Homepage: http://www.lxqt.org/ |
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| 17:24.04 | tharkun | jelly: it is picking the wrong certificate, let me check the server config as to why it is doing so. |
| 17:24.05 | linuxpc | how beginner friendly is Debian compared to Ubuntu or Mint? |
| 17:24.08 | saptech | well I've had the best of luck using Debian and I've tried lots of distros. IMO Debian does it best |
| 17:24.15 | jelly | linuxpc: less friendly. |
| 17:24.24 | jelly | it growls |
| 17:24.45 | tharkun | linuxpc: If you have a chicken and enough grains of corn on the enter key it will surely install debian correctly. |
| 17:25.16 | linuxpc | lol. |
| 17:25.29 | jelly | both ubuntu and mint install non-free bits that make a lot of drivers work (better), automatically, if needed |
| 17:26.07 | linuxpc | for this old pc, I don't think I will face such problems. |
| 17:26.23 | jelly | and their teams care about gui consistency a bit more than "let's use default gnome theme and slap a background" |
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| 17:27.06 | n4dir | they should, as that is what they mainly do. :-) |
| 17:27.08 | jelly | on the other hand, they care about software interaction a bit less |
| 17:27.24 | jelly | or limit the choices severely |
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| 17:27.35 | linuxpc | ok. What is Debian ideal for? who are its target users, particularly? |
| 17:27.47 | dvs | pros |
| 17:28.07 | jelly | people annoyed with ubuntu holding their hand? |
| 17:28.17 | n4dir | lol |
| 17:28.27 | linuxpc | jelly, what does that mean? |
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| 17:29.41 | n4dir | linuxpc: search for "who the bloody hell cares about debian" (i think it's both, text and video). That gives a good summary. Let me quickly search for another summary by M. Krafft |
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| 17:30.50 | n4dir | the text inside the quote is by M. Krafft (the rest obviously by rickh): http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=21372&p=113848 |
| 17:31.19 | jelly | !why debian |
| 17:31.19 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ http://www.aboutdebian.com/ . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
| 17:31.38 | unborn | linuxpc: stability and security.. I use it on servers for many years...been using ubuntu on my laptops but since 14.xx ubuntu was very unstable I finally did switch to debian everywhere.. cannot say anything bad only positives |
| 17:31.39 | jelly | !why not debian |
| 17:32.48 | linuxpc | unborn, what do you mean by unstable. what possible inconveniences one might face? |
| 17:32.58 | saptech | linuxpc, just go for it |
| 17:33.09 | unborn | linuxpc: so if you looking for perfect stable and swift (very fast) desktop I can only recommend it |
| 17:33.14 | linuxpc | saptech, go for what? |
| 17:33.30 | saptech | when I first started using linux, took me about 4 or more tries before installing correctly |
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| 17:33.40 | saptech | linuxpc, Debian |
| 17:33.44 | linuxpc | ok |
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| 17:34.19 | n4dir | back in the days there has been exactly one good reason to use debian: http://postimg.org/image/yqu6b8qbt/ muah ha ha |
| 17:34.23 | saptech | when I first installed Mandrake, it wiped my whole HDD and I wanted a dual boot with Win98 |
| 17:34.34 | saptech | that is when I finally started using LInux only |
| 17:35.01 | linuxpc | ok. |
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| 17:35.35 | saptech | but I wanted a dual boot and eventually knew how to setup dual boot because I needed Windows for my job |
| 17:35.47 | linuxpc | thanks guys for the inputs and help. Let me download Debian LXDE and try it. |
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| 17:35.59 | n4dir | good luck, take it easy |
| 17:36.20 | linuxpc | thanks. Will be back in half an hour. |
| 17:36.45 | saptech | just make sure you choose the correct partition for Debian |
| 17:36.48 | saptech | if you dual boot |
| 17:36.52 | linuxpc | ok. |
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| 17:38.27 | unborn | linuxpc: well been using ubuntu since 6.xx till 14.xx I did switched as ubuntu maintain some packages which you will not found anywhere else.. aka compiz which was constantly crashed on me.. i did try debian and system eats about 80% ram less in idle also updates does not break anything on debian.. and most commands works in same manner on debian as with most of other distros.. on ubuntu some stuff simply works differently as those not |
| 17:38.27 | unborn | understandable(from my side) mods.. its been years that I have not touch ubuntu.. only my mum still using it but rest of the family runs debian.. |
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| 17:39.04 | julius2 | hi |
| 17:39.41 | julius2 | where does crontab send its error mails to, by default? when i run mutt it says that there are no new mails in /var/mail/julius/ |
| 17:39.49 | julius2 | so where do they go to? |
| 17:39.56 | Prinz_IRCman | How to get around HSTS while Im installing WIFI drivers? |
| 17:40.11 | Brigo | julius2, mail |
| 17:40.11 | jelly | julius2: the user, by default |
| 17:40.35 | julius2 | Brigo, whats the difference if mutt or mail looks for the mail? |
| 17:41.01 | jelly | assuming you meant cron, "crontab" is either the config file or the tool to manage those config files |
| 17:41.01 | julius2 | jelly, on a default config, they land in /var/mail/myuser? |
| 17:41.10 | julius2 | yes crn |
| 17:41.13 | julius2 | cron |
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| 17:41.36 | jelly | julius2: for jobs in myuser's private crontab? They get sent to "myuser" |
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| 17:41.58 | jelly | julius2: whether they get DELIVERED to /var/mail/myuser depends on your MTA and its config |
| 17:42.06 | julius2 | jelly, ok |
| 17:42.11 | jelly | look at your MTA's logs |
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| 17:42.24 | tharkun | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/906050/ |
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| 17:42.26 | jelly | julius2: which MTA do you have? dpkg -S /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 17:42.49 | rdococ | I wonder how I should organize my panels |
| 17:43.00 | tharkun | curl was picking firstly the wrong certificate, fixed and it now still complains about the certificate yet iceweasel/firefox does not. |
| 17:43.05 | jelly | tharkun: missing intermediate certs in the chain? |
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| 17:43.17 | _abc_ | Why on earth would alsa/pulseudio see a device in /etc/asound.conf as root, but not as user, when user's ~/.asoundrc is empty but for # comments?! |
| 17:43.53 | tharkun | I will check but it should not be a problem at all. Let me se how nginx can also hand them out if requested. |
| 17:43.56 | _abc_ | #???? |
| 17:44.12 | jelly | tharkun: and it is not a problem... for VERY recent browsers |
| 17:44.25 | tharkun | ;P |
| 17:44.44 | jelly | tharkun: do you have uptodate ca-certificates? |
| 17:44.45 | julius2 | jelly, got it: (Command died with status 127: "procmail -a "$EXTENSION"". Command output: sh: 1: procmail: not found ) |
| 17:45.00 | julius2 | jelly, procmail wasnt there |
| 17:45.21 | jelly | julius2: postfix? Comment out the mailbox_command in /etc/postfix/main.cf and restart the service |
| 17:45.43 | _abc_ | Any ideas on my permissions question please, system is wheezy |
| 17:46.02 | jelly | postfix maintainer in Debian has some excellent ideas and some really dumb ones |
| 17:46.11 | tharkun | julol |
| 17:46.37 | _abc_ | ??? |
| 17:47.07 | _abc_ | /etc/asound.conf is root.root 644 as it should be. |
| 17:47.28 | jelly | _abc_: is /etc executable for all users? ls -ld /etc |
| 17:47.36 | julius2 | jelly, i installed procmail....cant remember changing that line in postfix's config |
| 17:47.54 | _abc_ | jelly: /etc is 655 |
| 17:48.02 | jelly | _abc_: make it 755 |
| 17:48.11 | _abc_ | err it is 755 |
| 17:48.13 | _abc_ | sorry |
| 17:48.38 | jelly | julius2: neither can I, that's why I'm blaming the maintainer |
| 17:49.01 | jelly | perhaps fresh installs don't have it. |
| 17:49.13 | julius2 | jelly, https://packages.debian.org/stretch/postfix procmail is listed as "sug" - that is suggested and will not be installed by default? |
| 17:49.16 | tharkun | jelly: should this is stable with up to date. unless the repositories are not. |
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| 17:49.29 | _abc_ | The useless complexity of the audio systems in debian and linux in general is beginning to p*** me off |
| 17:49.53 | jelly | julius2: in any case, procmail has known bugs. Unless you REALLY need it, take it out of the picture and let the normal postfix "local" delivery agent deal with /var/mail/user |
| 17:50.06 | jelly | julius2: correct |
| 17:50.11 | julius2 | jelly, thanks let me check that |
| 17:50.20 | jelly | julius2: default config should bloody well NOT depend on it |
| 17:50.44 | tharkun | julius2: upstream config does not depend at all on it. |
| 17:50.53 | jelly | ,v ca-certificates |
| 17:50.56 | judd | Package: ca-certificates on amd64 -- wheezy: 20130119+deb7u1; jessie: 20141019+deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 20141019+deb8u2; stretch: 20160104; sid: 20161130; stretch: 20161130 |
| 17:51.22 | jelly | tharkun: I bet LE did not exist back in 20141019+deb8u2 ! |
| 17:51.24 | tharkun | Actually at #postfix use of procmail is discouraged. |
| 17:51.42 | jelly | #postfix has its own set of attitude problems |
| 17:51.42 | tharkun | jelly: lol :) how can I fix it. |
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| 17:52.15 | tharkun | Yes but that can also be fixed :) |
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| 17:52.46 | jelly | tharkun: either add the intermediates to your global config so curl the client can find them, or add them to the server chain, or both |
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| 17:53.12 | _abc_ | Editing in the SAME information as in /etc/asound.conf into ~/.asoundrc STILL does not show the configured and hinted device in ~/.asoundrc |
| 17:53.23 | _abc_ | Even after restarting alsa and pulse |
| 17:54.15 | jelly | tharkun: how do you add custom CA auth certs locally, you ask? mkdir /usr/local/share/ca-certificates/extra, put files ending with .crt in there, run update-ca-certificates |
| 17:54.16 | tharkun | jelly: I will go the server side before dealing witht the client hack. I need it to work out of the box for quite some people so getting it right from the beginning is crucial |
| 17:55.01 | tharkun | jelly: Thanks. |
| 17:55.07 | _abc_ | I would kindly suggest debian concentrate on one and only one audio subsystem and make that work well and documented. This probably means excluding any red hat originated moving target software. /rant |
| 17:55.13 | jelly | tharkun: yes, you probably want people with old IE or android to be able to access your sites just like the ones with firefox release |
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| 17:55.45 | _abc_ | btw a lot of people would like to run debian on phones, as an alternative to cm and oem "rom"s. Me too. |
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| 17:56.05 | _abc_ | moves on, wasted enough time on this |
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| 17:56.50 | jelly | _abc_: suggestions are best placed as complete bug reports with detailed info of what goes wrong. Maintainers, in general, do not read this channel to gather improvement ideas. |
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| 17:57.23 | zuiss1 | does anyone here have minitube installed from debian stable repos? does it work and actually play youtube videos? |
| 17:57.26 | _abc_ | I know, but this is a discussion subject for now. I see audio questions fielded here, mostly related to jack and pulse, and also on other linux channels and forums, daily. |
| 17:57.30 | julius2 | tharkun, i just unpacked postfix_3.1.3-6_amd64.deb to check if main.cf contains that line, but theres no main.cf in there. it will probably be generated by the install process |
| 17:57.37 | _abc_ | Apparently the developers are too busy adding features to cope. |
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| 17:57.47 | julius2 | tharkun, cant say if procmail is in the original config |
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| 17:58.09 | jelly | zuiss1: I prefer mpv (with youtube-dl from jessie-backports) these days, haven't tried minitube in quite a while |
| 17:58.14 | julius2 | _abc_, true. spend some money and it might get better |
| 17:58.25 | jelly | zuiss1: do you have an example URL? |
| 17:58.26 | _abc_ | I prefer to spend time and make it better, and share. |
| 17:58.30 | tharkun | julius2: it is indeed generated byt dpkg-config when first installed. |
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| 17:58.50 | _abc_ | But I will not move a finger to improve a moving target made by people who write the next version before documenting the present one |
| 17:59.03 | zuiss1 | jelly: minitube in debian stable broke about 2 months after jessie was released. it's been broken for about 2 years as far as i can tell. and there are bug reports about it but the developer is not really active at all |
| 17:59.07 | julius2 | tharkun, any way to generate that config from the sources without installing it? |
| 17:59.25 | jelly | zuiss1: that's about my experience as well |
| 17:59.52 | zuiss1 | jelly: i will try mpv. so i just install mpv and youtube-dl? is it like vlc where you just copy and paste urls into mpv to play them? |
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| 18:00.24 | tharkun | julius2: I usually cheat and get the config from the exposed server to the internet and tweak it to the needs I have for that particular server but then I am lazy regarding configuring daemons. |
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| 18:00.41 | jhutchins_wk | julius2: There's a template file that is what main.cf is generated from. (Might be more than one template file.) |
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| 18:01.08 | julius2 | tharkun, well it works now in my case. was just interrested in checking if procmail is in the original file |
| 18:01.16 | julius2 | jhutchins_wk, and how would those templates be called? |
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| 18:01.49 | julius2 | jhutchins_wk, ah got it. grep jelped |
| 18:02.54 | julius2 | jhutchins_wk, it got two lines with the procmail command in a file called main.cf.dist. both are commented out. dont know if any of them will be included |
| 18:03.15 | jelly | zuiss1: it's called from command line. Never tried pasting into a working window. |
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| 18:03.43 | jelly | zuiss1: and you need youtube-dl from jessie-backports repo |
| 18:03.51 | jelly | dpkg, tell zuiss1 about jessie-backports |
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| 18:05.43 | tharkun | What is the difference between sid and experimental? |
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| 18:06.42 | jelly | dpkg, tell tharkun about experimental |
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| 18:07.06 | tharkun | jelly: Thanks :) |
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| 18:07.17 | zuiss1 | jelly: thanks |
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| 18:08.20 | jelly | zuiss1: I haven't tried vlc recently actually, dunno if it uses youtube-dl as backend as well |
| 18:08.57 | jelly | it seems to work in any case |
| 18:09.22 | zuiss1 | jelly: vlc uses a script to play the videos. i think it's called youtube.lua |
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| 18:09.48 | jelly | but it seems to not be broken in the current jessie version |
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| 18:09.51 | jelly | vlc 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=558tvlChKnU' |
| 18:10.11 | teraflops | afaik vlc does not ship a ytdl hook by default |
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| 18:10.27 | zuiss1 | yes it works but it not really stable. if you pause a video, then later hit play to resume, it will sometimes play for a couple seconds then stop and restart from the beginning |
| 18:10.34 | zuiss1 | sometimes it just doesn't work at all for some URLs |
| 18:10.44 | zuiss1 | maybe mpv with youtube-dl will work better |
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| 18:15.12 | jelly | I can make vlc fart by seeking to and fro for a bit |
| 18:15.15 | jelly | vlc: i965_decoder_utils.c:846: intel_decoder_check_avc_parameter: Assertion `pic_param->CurrPic.picture_id == decode_state->current_render_target' failed. |
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| 18:19.01 | jhutchins_wk | mpv evolved from mplayer, which has long been the most reliable player for the widest range of formats. vlc has been pretty good too, pretty much equal if not quite as mature. |
| 18:19.50 | _abc_ | fwiw I find the archlinux and rpi related web pages very useful to config audio (what works), much more recent than the debian wiki, alas. And yes, this is for debian. |
| 18:19.55 | jhutchins_wk | vlc's main selling point besides mostly just working is the ability to stream. |
| 18:20.45 | otyugh_II | I always felt like mplayer was lighter than vlc |
| 18:20.46 | jhutchins_wk | _abc_: Yes, arch has excellent documentation. You should consider editing it for debian specifics and posting it. THat's how stuff gets on the wiki, people actually do the work. |
| 18:21.18 | _abc_ | jhutchins_wk: I would like the wiki maintainers to add a "last edited" date tag on each wiki page. Been reading ancient history for hours today. |
| 18:21.26 | _abc_ | After that, we might think about it. |
| 18:21.28 | jhutchins_wk | otyugh_II: mplayer evolved out of a modular environment using ffmpeg, vlc was always monolithic. |
| 18:21.44 | jhutchins_wk | _abc_: I think that would be useful as well. |
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| 18:21.55 | jhutchins_wk | _abc_: BTW "The wiki maintainers" is you. |
| 18:21.58 | _abc_ | That would be <cough> mandatory. |
| 18:22.18 | _abc_ | I can't edit the wiki's fabric. Last edited date is a basic intrinsic feature of the page rendering system |
| 18:22.20 | awal1 | _abc_: at the bottom a the wiki entries there "last edited..." |
| 18:22.34 | _abc_ | awal1: did not see that. Need js on? |
| 18:22.59 | _abc_ | Oh I see it now |
| 18:23.00 | _abc_ | Sigh. |
| 18:23.09 | _abc_ | Now how do we sort search results by that... |
| 18:23.15 | awal1 | :) |
| 18:23.30 | _abc_ | is going to look at a moinmoin doc on how to do that |
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| 18:23.34 | m7stic | It bothers me that i have to use the arch wiki to figure things out on debian. |
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| 18:23.48 | m7stic | back in the day, it was the gentoo wiki everyone relied upon |
| 18:23.49 | _abc_ | Hey why not copy it, it's free after all >;) |
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| 18:25.00 | _abc_ | I just looked at the pulseaudio api programming interface. Wow it's like a windows programming api. What a mess. |
| 18:25.02 | m7stic | but, i at least know that i'm a part of the problem |
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| 18:29.46 | cusco | where would the place be to ask questions about mdadm ? |
| 18:30.49 | doublehp | cusco: #linux #hardware |
| 18:31.20 | cusco | yea mdadm is raid via software not really the best place |
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| 18:31.23 | cusco | i might get bashed |
| 18:31.29 | cusco | i'll try linux, thanks doublehp |
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| 18:33.57 | SynrGy | isn't it ##linux though? |
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| 18:36.05 | jelly | there's a redirection in place so the single hashed one works as well |
| 18:36.17 | jelly | unless you're already in ##linux |
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| 18:36.31 | doublehp | ##software then |
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| 18:36.39 | cybrNaut | doublehp, cusco: the ##hardware is quite hostile toward off-topic chatter |
| 18:37.01 | cybrNaut | they just threatened to kick me for mentioning that Intel CPU firmware is backdoored |
| 18:37.10 | la_mettrie | i got a new internet connection in a new apartment. it complains about security issues when trying to reach web pages ("this connection is untrusted" [iceweasel], "your connection is not private" [chromium]). do you know what to do? i guess it's related to my OS's settings, the service provider says that the connection looks good from their side |
| 18:37.14 | cybrNaut | (to someone considering one) |
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| 18:37.58 | doublehp | cybrNaut: maybe because everyone knows that since more than a decade and the troll is dead and already eaten by other trolls |
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| 18:38.53 | cybrNaut | doublehp: i wouldn't presume ppl know it.. i'm surprising ppl all the time when it comes up |
| 18:39.35 | stack | hello, suddenly I have the right alt as win key and not as iso level 3 shift, I can override this under gnome but I don't know how to restore it also elsewhere (tty and vms), dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration could be the right direction? I've tried there with various combinations and no luck |
| 18:39.41 | cybrNaut | more likely, people are fatiqued about hearing about all the compromised things |
| 18:39.52 | jelly | cybrNaut: also, that particular conspiracy theory is not exactly an actionable item |
| 18:40.08 | cybrNaut | jelly: it's easily acionable: don't buy one |
| 18:40.14 | awal1 | la_mettrie: usually I just don't visit such sites. I never tried to be adventurous and continue to the site accepting invalid certificates and so. or maybe it's mtm :P |
| 18:40.20 | cybrNaut | (that has been made in the past 8 yrs) |
| 18:40.32 | jelly | cybrNaut: not a #debian topic either |
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| 18:45.58 | doublehp | cybrNaut: it's much more interesting to talk about easter eggs in dies, like, the many Mickey mouse shapes |
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| 18:46.34 | johnkeates | RISC-V is also much more interesting |
| 18:46.44 | cybrNaut | +1 |
| 18:46.46 | jelly | good heavens how does Disney not sue |
| 18:47.03 | johnkeates | debian is being ported to risc-v |
| 18:47.07 | johnkeates | it's amazeballz |
| 18:47.11 | jelly | also, srsly, #debian-offtopic |
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| 18:47.18 | cybrNaut | doublehp: agreed.. privacy and security bores most of the population |
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| 18:47.44 | cybrNaut | open-v is worth a look too |
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| 18:52.05 | unborn | ,v clipgrab |
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| 19:20.02 | mirko | huhu - i wonder what's the purposes, differences respectively, of dbconfig-common and the debian-sys-maint user |
| 19:20.32 | mirko | having the feeling of both providing the same functionality of allowing debconf to access and maintaining the database |
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| 19:24.42 | jelly | dbconfig-common is used for more stuff, including all the other packages that (want to) deploy a db user and schema |
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| 19:38.38 | la_mettrie | i got a new internet connection in a new apartment. it complains about security issues when trying to reach web pages ("this connection is untrusted" [iceweasel], "your connection is not private" [chromium]). do you know what to do? i guess it's related to my OS's settings, the service provider says that the connection looks good from their side |
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| 19:39.28 | somiaj | la_mettrie: what version of debian? Do you have the current security updates for your browsers? |
| 19:39.42 | somiaj | since iceweasel is no longer in debian, makes it sound like you don't have browser security updates. |
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| 19:40.45 | la_mettrie | the debian release which was released in 2015 |
| 19:41.29 | awal1 | I get that advice sometimes for a few websites, but rarely, no matters which debian branch or firefox/chromium version. I believe the problem is websites related |
| 19:41.32 | somiaj | la_mettrie: so you have debian jessie. Care to paste your sources.list at paste.debian.net and the output of apt-cache policy chormium and iceweasel |
| 19:41.59 | awal1 | la_mettrie: that advice is for all websites you visit or just for a specific ones? |
| 19:42.14 | somiaj | awal1: some websites don't use the cert that identifies with them, this is rare. But there were recentlly some security updates in both browsers that are more important. |
| 19:42.42 | awal1 | somiaj: effectively |
| 19:42.43 | somiaj | i.e. chromium version 53 and lower is known to have this issue with. |
| 19:42.51 | la_mettrie | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/906061/ |
| 19:42.58 | la_mettrie | awal1: many but not all |
| 19:43.45 | la_mettrie | tried to update chromium, but it says http://paste.debian.net/906062/ |
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| 19:43.50 | dvs | la_mettrie, you can comment out line #5 |
| 19:44.10 | somiaj | la_mettrie: yea you are outdated. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 19:44.48 | la_mettrie | somiaj: that command gives: |
| 19:45.02 | la_mettrie | E: The method driver /usr/lib/apt/methods/https could not be found. |
| 19:45.03 | la_mettrie | N: Is the package apt-transport-https installed? |
| 19:45.37 | la_mettrie | well, now i'm installing that |
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| 19:46.16 | la_mettrie | ok, now updates got running |
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| 19:47.21 | la_mettrie | if iceweasel is not supported anymore, is there some other alternative for chromium (i'd like to have at least two competent browsers) |
| 19:47.33 | dvs | la_mettrie, yeah, firefox |
| 19:47.46 | somiaj | la_mettrie: debian has firefox again. That upgrade should pull in the newest firefox-esr with security patches |
| 19:48.04 | la_mettrie | ogely-dogely |
| 19:48.39 | jelly | iceweasel was just renamed (back) to firefox-esr |
| 19:49.00 | jelly | ,v thunderbird |
| 19:49.01 | judd | No package named 'thunderbird' was found in amd64. |
| 19:49.12 | somiaj | thunderbird is still icedove |
| 19:49.17 | jelly | noone cares about the bird :-| |
| 19:49.34 | somiaj | really upstream is now just a few volunteers (mozilla isn't offically mataining it anymore afiak) |
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| 19:49.55 | la_mettrie | okay, now chromium works. thanks you guys. ...it didn't pass my mind it could be this sort of issue since both browsers were affected so i thought it must be some general settings |
| 19:49.58 | jak2000 | somiaj |
| 19:49.59 | jelly | just like most other stuff in debian |
| 19:50.25 | jak2000 | somiaj see please: http://osticket.com/forum/discussion/89409/email-cant-send#latest |
| 19:50.42 | jak2000 | they recommend me unisntall php5.6 and install php5.5 |
| 19:51.22 | somiaj | jak2000: sure, but this is not Debian's issue, but the osTicket software not being compadable with php5.6 |
| 19:51.41 | jak2000 | compadable? |
| 19:51.44 | somiaj | unforuntally debian provides no supported way to install php5.5, debian supports 5.6 in jessie and what everversion is still in wheezy |
| 19:52.27 | somiaj | jak2000: php changes, sometimes changes make things not work. So choices are either fix the php software to deal with the newer version or downgrade php. Installing php5.5 is not easilly supported in Debian. maybe dotdeb, but we don't suppor that here either. |
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| 19:55.04 | jak2000 | ok you installed osticket on php5.6? |
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| 19:56.42 | somiaj | jak2000: nope I don't use osticket. I'm just saying that debian doesn't support versions of php not included in their releases. |
| 19:56.45 | somiaj | ,v php5 |
| 19:56.46 | judd | Package: php5 on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.4.45-0+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 5.4.45-0+deb7u6; jessie: 5.6.24+dfsg-0+deb8u1; sid: 5.6.26+dfsg-1; jessie-proposed-updates: 5.6.29+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.6.29+dfsg-0+deb8u1 |
| 19:56.59 | jak2000 | ok |
| 19:57.10 | jak2000 | thanks |
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| 19:57.56 | Pavr | if you read the link to the bugreport from the thread you linked that issues has been fixed 25 days ago |
| 19:57.59 | somiaj | jak2000: I'm also saying it would be preferable to fix the issue with osticket and make it compadable with php5.6 in jessie than it is to try to install another version of php. But if wanted you can install your own version of php (just not supported here) and maybe dotdeb has done some work for you (though we don't support their packages either) |
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| 20:17.53 | ajp | hello all - where can I find all the debian build scripts? In particular, I want to find the build scripts used to package the `tensorflow` python library |
| 20:18.24 | GNU\colossus | ajp, `apt get source tensorflow` should get you everything you need |
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| 20:18.41 | GNU\colossus | apt-get source* |
| 20:18.42 | GNU\colossus | rather |
| 20:19.25 | ajp | GNU\colossus: I don't have access to apt at the moment - are the sources online somewhere? (context is I want to see how debian deals with this package, and possibly adopt it for another distro) |
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| 20:23.44 | n4dir | i would assume going to packages.debian.org and then download *.debian.tar.gz |
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| 20:30.26 | Agiofws | hi |
| 20:30.38 | Agiofws | how can i upgrade ffmpeg in debian current? |
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| 20:34.08 | somiaj | ,ffmpeg |
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| 20:34.13 | somiaj | ,v ffmpeg |
| 20:34.14 | judd | Package: ffmpeg on amd64 -- wheezy: 6:0.8.17-2; wheezy-security: 6:0.8.18-0+deb7u1; jessie-backports: 7:3.2.2-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 7:3.2.2-1; sid: 7:3.2.2-1; wheezy-multimedia: 8:1.0.10-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 10:2.6.9-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 10:3.2.2-dmo2 |
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| 20:34.40 | somiaj | Agiofws: in debian jessie, ffmpeg was not included. You can get 3.2.2 from jessie-backports. |
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| 20:39.33 | Agiofws | somiaj, how do i install 7:3.2.2-1~bpo8+1 ? |
| 20:39.49 | Agiofws | i do have backports in apt sources.lst |
| 20:40.08 | somiaj | just like you install any package from jessie-backports |
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| 20:41.44 | Agiofws | apt-get -t jessie-backports install 7:3.2.2-1~bpo8+1 ? |
| 20:41.54 | somiaj | you install packages by their name |
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| 20:42.54 | Agiofws | ffmpeg is already the newest version. |
| 20:42.54 | Agiofws | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 193 not upgraded. |
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| 20:43.22 | Agiofws | ffmpeg version 2.6.9 need a newer version |
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| 20:47.14 | TomTomTosch | Agiofws: no, apt-get install -t jessie-backports ffmpeg |
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| 20:49.02 | TomTomTosch | Agiofws: if that doesn't work please paste apt-cache policy ffmpeg; apt-cache policy; to paste.debian.net |
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| 20:50.09 | urhandcuffssirs | all this nonpayment of the trillions of dollars you goddamn hardware sons of bitches owe the 5 of us...is what makes people play the free dinkgon warrior instead of the expensive dragon warrior just to hear the music and play out the story line. |
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| 20:54.03 | arny91 | hi, someone here knows why the pulseaudio volume is being turned to max every time i seek the position of a media (audio, video) inside the browser (both plugins and html5 video)? i'm using firefox. |
| 20:54.25 | somiaj | arny91: what is the volume on the media player in the browser set to? |
| 20:54.53 | arny91 | usually the volume is set to max |
| 20:55.07 | _abc_ | ^ |
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| 20:55.24 | somiaj | arny91: I'm unsure why or if my huntch is correct, but wonder if the browser/video is adjusting the volumne in pulseaudio to match the player setting. |
| 20:55.58 | arny91 | thank you somiaj, i'll see inside about:config |
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| 20:56.49 | m4sk1n | After installing vnc4server I can't startx on my Debian Sid, cannot open /dev/tty0 permission denied |
| 20:56.51 | _abc_ | pulseaudio takes the approach that it's okay to set all settings in bulk from the client which last requested a setting. Still trying to understand that mess from the programmer's pov. |
| 20:57.12 | arny91 | so you're having the same issue? |
| 20:57.17 | _abc_ | The best docs on pulseaudio for now, are the sources of a client which uses p* and works. All other bets are off. |
| 20:57.37 | _abc_ | arny91: I had issues with bluetooth headset + pulseaudio on wheezy today all day. |
| 20:57.57 | grawity | does Debian's pulseaudio come with flat volumes enabled by default? toggling that might improve things |
| 20:58.09 | grawity | in pulse-daemon.conf(5), that is |
| 20:58.33 | _abc_ | Reverted to not using the bt headset and default (empty) /etc/asound.conf (pulseaudio runs in the background on wheezy somehow, non daemon mode) |
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| 21:09.22 | _abc_ | Oh, the coin drops. Poettering pushes pulse, jack and systemd. That explains a lot of things. |
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| 21:10.25 | Agiofws | TomTomTosch, https://paste.debian.net/906068/ can you please help? |
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| 21:11.08 | jelly | _abc_: in all fairness pulseaudio has gotten a lot better since the initial author went to do other things |
| 21:11.24 | _abc_ | I am SO not interested in being a beta tester 10 years after the fact. |
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| 21:11.33 | _abc_ | I can use windows for that any day |
| 21:11.59 | jelly | I wouldn't call it beta, the version in jessie works for many setups |
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| 21:12.16 | jelly | _abc_: do you have an actual issue? |
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| 21:12.31 | jelly | this isn't really a place to rant |
| 21:12.34 | _abc_ | jelly: tried anything non standard? I have no objection for the goals they followed, the problem is lack of documentation and examples. |
| 21:12.53 | _abc_ | jelly: I've spent 6 hours today trying to make a bluetooth headset to work on wheezy |
| 21:13.04 | _abc_ | Will try on jessie booted from stick some day this week |
| 21:13.21 | jelly | wheezy is old, and bluetooth stack has changed more times than pulse |
| 21:13.30 | _abc_ | note a bluetooth headset is the kind you use for both a2dp and hfp/hfp |
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| 21:13.59 | _abc_ | I was half hoping the 50 or so messages I found which said it works, would indicate it will be relatively easy. With bluez 4 |
| 21:14.03 | jelly | I've tried one of those on ubuntu 16.04 and it worked for both |
| 21:14.03 | _abc_ | Nope. |
| 21:14.25 | _abc_ | jelly: Good to know. I don't even know what I have on the stick. /me looks |
| 21:14.46 | _abc_ | 8.6.0 is jessie yes? |
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| 21:14.50 | jelly | right |
| 21:15.35 | bub_ | Hi, I'm struggling getting HDMI streaming to TV. I installed bumblebee and primus, but still no go. /usr/bumblebeed -vv gives http://pastebin.com/ipeS7meU .. I'm on Debian Jessie.. asus laptop with intel graphic chipset and nvidia gt 650m .. I'm pretty much lost |
| 21:16.24 | bub_ | xrandr doesn't show hdmi at all |
| 21:16.59 | bub_ | 'optirun glxgears -info' just gives an errormessage |
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| 21:18.01 | _abc_ | optirun is what? |
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| 21:19.45 | bub_ | I think it's supposed to run glxgears on my nvidiacard |
| 21:19.55 | _abc_ | oh that |
| 21:20.09 | bub_ | "optirun - run programs on the discrete video card" |
| 21:20.13 | _abc_ | does your hw accel work at all? |
| 21:20.30 | bub_ | doesn't seem like it |
| 21:20.33 | _abc_ | meaning, do you have the drivers for accel graphics in? |
| 21:21.08 | _abc_ | glxinfo |grep direct |
| 21:21.26 | _abc_ | if it says 'direct rendering: No' it's not on |
| 21:21.31 | bub_ | it says yes |
| 21:21.44 | _abc_ | okay, then what howto are you following exactly now? |
| 21:22.12 | bub_ | I've tried several, googling like a mofo for several hours.. I've been diving into this before, but never managed to get the HDMI working |
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| 21:22.47 | bub_ | not sure you want a list of urls to look at |
| 21:23.16 | bub_ | I'm not interested in the GL-extension.. all I want is for my HDMI to give signal to my TV |
| 21:23.19 | _abc_ | xrandr output is? |
| 21:23.25 | bub_ | it doesn't even need audio.. |
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| 21:23.29 | bub_ | 1min |
| 21:23.45 | rdococ | I want to create my own appearance with a paint program like Pinta, how would I go about doing this? btw I'm using MATE |
| 21:24.10 | bub_ | http://pastebin.com/GiGkF9ix |
| 21:25.24 | _abc_ | bub_: you need to try another driver for the graphics card. |
| 21:25.30 | _abc_ | Yours does not recognize the hdmi output |
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| 21:26.00 | bub_ | that means non-free right? |
| 21:26.08 | _abc_ | bub_: you need to see something like: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1110639#p1110639 |
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| 21:32.14 | rdococ | I want to create my own appearance with a paint program like Pinta, how would I go about doing this? btw I'm using MATE |
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| 21:33.36 | dvs | !mate |
| 21:33.36 | dpkg | The MATE Desktop Environment is a fork of GNOME 2, available since Debian 8 "Jessie" (and also in wheezy-backports). To install, ask me about <install mate>. https://wiki.debian.org/Mate http://mate-desktop.org/ #mate on chat.freenode.net. |
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| 21:35.27 | _Vi | Is there some tool that compile backported packages based on testing/sid versions in one move (a script with dget -> dpkg-source -> dpkg-checkbuilddeps -> dch --bpo -> dpkg-buildpackage chain)? |
| 21:36.11 | dvs | dpkg, tekk _Vi about ssb |
| 21:36.11 | dpkg | dvs: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 21:36.26 | dvs | dpkg, tell _Vi about ssb |
| 21:37.24 | _Vi | What is "ssb"? |
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| 21:37.38 | TomTomTosch | Agiofws: having installed ffmpeg from deb-multimedia.org is what created your problem. apg-get install -t jessie-backports ffmpeg=7:3.2.2-1~bpo8+1 should give you the right version. apt-mark hold ffmpeg should then hold that package so it doesn't automatically reinstall the deb-multimedia one on the next upgrade. we don't recommend using the deb-multimedia repo. |
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| 21:38.08 | TomTomTosch | Agiofws: that's apg-get install -t jessie-backports ffmpeg=7:3.2.2-1~bpo8+1 |
| 21:38.29 | TomTomTosch | argh. apt-get time to sleep... |
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| 21:38.55 | dvs | dpkg tekk TomTomTosch about sleep |
| 21:38.55 | dpkg | dvs: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 21:38.58 | dvs | dammit! |
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| 21:39.23 | arny91 | ok, i removed the contents of my ~/.config/pulse directory and now the volume does not crank to maximum every time i seek, finally i can use the headphones |
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| 21:45.05 | imMute | so I see that the linux package for Jessie got an update (because my bug got closed) and will become version 3.16.39-1 but I can't find that package on packages.debian.org ... I'm assuming it just hasn't been uploaded yet? Is that normal for bugs to be closed before packages get uploaded? If so, about how long do they take to show up on the public mirrors? |
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| 21:51.38 | _abc_ | arny91: I also got the impression that removing all configs put there manually and letting pulse guess is the only way to make progress. |
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| 22:08.54 | _abc_ | http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/guide-to-sound-apis.html useful |
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| 22:17.23 | zumba_addict | hey folks, how is it really pronounce? For many years, I've always said "deebian". I'm hearing people say it as "dehbian" as in "bleh" |
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| 22:18.06 | dvs | zumba_addict, pronounce it like two people's name |
| 22:18.25 | zumba_addict | didn't get it dvs. How? |
| 22:18.27 | Guest67058 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:18.28 | Guest67058 | [ 0.000000] AGP: Please enable the IOMMU option in the BIOS setup |
| 22:18.28 | Guest67058 | [ 0.000000] AGP: This costs you 64MB of RAM |
| 22:18.39 | Guest67058 | couldnt find IOMMU in bios... |
| 22:18.50 | dvs | zumba_addict, the names "Deb" and "Ian" |
| 22:19.08 | dvs | zumba_addict, DEB-EE-ANNE |
| 22:19.17 | zumba_addict | Ah, I was right with "dheb" |
| 22:19.25 | zumba_addict | people are saying it wrong |
| 22:19.32 | zumba_addict | oh I was wrong |
| 22:19.41 | zumba_addict | thanks! |
| 22:19.46 | dvs | no prob |
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| 22:28.49 | Agiofws | thank you TomTomTosch |
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| 22:39.45 | JordiGH | somiaj: PCSX2 worked on a different Debian laptop with Intel graphics! I guess my own laptop is just too old. I'm the happiest guy, finally able to play FFX after all these years. It was a good thing that the work I did yesterday wasn't lost, since I could just copy over my chroot-built ssb pcsx2 deb. |
| 22:39.57 | JordiGH | Thanks again for the help yesterday. |
| 22:40.16 | Guest67058 | debian! for when you are too lazy to install archlinux! |
| 22:40.36 | Guest67058 | [[[shields up]]] |
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| 22:40.58 | zykotick9 | ^ lol. debian for when you know what you are doing! |
| 22:41.01 | JordiGH | lol. |
| 22:41.05 | JordiGH | Shields for what? Arch users? I am indeed too lazy to install anything else. |
| 22:42.10 | dvs | !lart Guest67058 |
| 22:42.11 | dpkg | changes Guest67058's permissions to 0777 and tells the world |
| 22:42.38 | dvs | lol |
| 22:43.40 | JordiGH | lol |
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| 22:47.47 | bub_ | still no HDMI.. even tried with nvidia proprieraty drivers.. no luck.. broken dependencies and what not.. ahhhh |
| 22:48.55 | JordiGH | is happy with Intel cards, games play GRATE ^.^ |
| 22:50.53 | somiaj | JordiGH: oh good, glad you tracked down it was hardware. Silly hardware. |
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| 22:54.08 | JordiGH | I also need to track down those people and show 'em some love. Looks like they hang out in forums and use pseudonyms. I wonder why are emulator builders always like that. |
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| 23:01.06 | awal1 | how to clear/reset terminal after executing a command whithout closing it? |
| 23:01.31 | dvs | how to reset a terminal? Hmmmm.... |
| 23:01.53 | awal1 | command & exit does the job for run the command the colse terminal |
| 23:02.11 | awal1 | command & reset/clear won't |
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| 23:03.53 | awal1 | in fact I just want stop the output stuff of the command (Ctrl+c) without closing the terminal/exiting shell login |
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| 23:04.45 | dvs | like "> /dev/null" ? |
| 23:04.46 | stoned | http://sprunge.us/gFci Debian konqueor went crazy in me |
| 23:04.52 | stoned | it won't stop doing this. |
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| 23:04.57 | vectr0n | start it w/ a tool like screen/tmux? theres lots of options tho |
| 23:05.01 | stoned | Anyone encountered this in debian? |
| 23:05.25 | stoned | Qt: 4.8.6 |
| 23:05.26 | stoned | KDE Development Platform: 4.14.2 |
| 23:05.33 | stoned | whatever is in 8.6 debian |
| 23:05.43 | stoned | It won't stop making zombies. |
| 23:05.44 | awal1 | dvs: no :P |
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| 23:06.54 | awal1 | dvs: command + "something doing the job/executing ^C (ctrl+c)" |
| 23:07.34 | awal1 | bcuz > /dev/null just doesn't hides the output |
| 23:07.47 | awal1 | bcuz > /dev/null just hides the output ^ |
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| 23:08.28 | dvs | awal1, so "> /dev/null &" ? |
| 23:08.31 | themill | Can you try to describe what you're trying to actually achieve (and not what you think the solution might be) |
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| 23:09.58 | awal1 | dvs: command > /dev/null & does the job partially, thanks |
| 23:10.14 | dvs | no prob. |
| 23:10.26 | dvs | what doesn't it do? |
| 23:10.35 | awal1 | themill: command > /dev/null & plus something for clear the terminal or reset it |
| 23:10.37 | awal1 | :P |
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| 23:11.03 | vectr0n | add "; clear" at the end? |
| 23:11.06 | vectr0n | lol |
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| 23:11.12 | dvs | or the beginning? |
| 23:11.18 | vectr0n | that to |
| 23:11.27 | themill | What's the purpose of '&' there? What do you want to do with clear or reset? |
| 23:12.35 | awal1 | vectr0n: syntax error with ; |
| 23:12.48 | awal1 | & for daemonize/run in background |
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| 23:12.50 | vectr0n | if you put it on the front it would be "clear ;" |
| 23:12.56 | vectr0n | on the end will be "; clear" |
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| 23:14.23 | themill | awal1: please tell us what you actually want... the answers you're getting match what people think you want. You need to use different words to ask a clearer question. |
| 23:14.39 | vectr0n | ^ |
| 23:15.27 | awal1 | themill: bad english here sorry. but ok I solved it: "command ; reset" or "command ; clear" does what I want |
| 23:16.34 | awal1 | sorry, I mean "command & clear" or "command & reset" |
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| 23:17.28 | themill | running those two commands at the same time makes little sense to me, but if you're happy |
| 23:18.25 | awal1 | it's just launch and background x app but I don't waht to see the output of what the app is doing, just background that program and clear/reset the terminal for clear the window so |
| 23:18.29 | themill | (and the starting point 15 min ago was that "command & clear" didn't do what you want) |
| 23:19.41 | awal1 | no body told me command & clear/reset :P |
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| 23:21.39 | jasabella | if foo > /dev/null doesn't do it, the program is probably outputting to stderr instead stdout, try foo 2>&1 > /dev/null |
| 23:21.57 | jasabella | that way both stdout and stderr streams are being sent to /dev/null |
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| 23:22.19 | awal1 | themill: oh, sorry yeah I told that before; I dont know why it files for someapps (tint2, specifically), that was what I tried when i told that |
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| 23:22.36 | awal1 | it fails ^ |
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| 23:23.38 | awal1 | jasabella: what does 2>&1 ? |
| 23:23.58 | jasabella | redirects fd 2 (stderr) to fd 1 (stdout) |
| 23:24.11 | jasabella | it's a shell feature |
| 23:24.17 | jasabella | man bash |
| 23:24.18 | awal1 | ok, ok; thanks |
| 23:24.22 | jasabella | (assuming you're using bash) |
| 23:24.24 | dvs | awal1, it still sounds like "clear && <command> > /dev/null &" to me |
| 23:24.34 | stoned | http://sprunge.us/gFci Debian konqueor went crazy in me and wont' stop making zombie |
| 23:25.09 | jasabella | sounds like you need to read up on how your shell tokenises commands |
| 23:25.28 | jasabella | && and ; have special uses |
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| 23:30.50 | awal1 | tint2 2>&1 > /dev/null and clear && tint2 > /dev/null & doesn't work. tint2 still displaying it's outputs :D |
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| 23:31.53 | awal1 | but it's okay guys. sorry for the noise. as themill said, it's shorter running two commands (command 1, command 2) :) |
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| 23:35.54 | awal1 | jasabella: what you mean by shell tokenises commands ? |
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| 23:37.26 | somiaj | awal1: |
| 23:37.38 | somiaj | awal1: > only redirects stdout, there is also stderr, so 2>&1 >/dev/null |
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| 23:39.53 | awal1 | somiaj: ok, I got it, thanks |
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| 23:40.41 | alercah | Hey all |
| 23:40.50 | alercah | wicd has become more and more unusable lately |
| 23:40.55 | alercah | what are the alternatives? |
| 23:41.06 | alercah | in particular I can no longer get it to do WPA enterprise auth |
| 23:41.26 | awal1 | network-manager / connman |
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| 23:41.33 | somiaj | alercah: or just use wpasupplicant |
| 23:41.50 | somiaj | in roam moad, there is wpa_cli and wpa_gui to control it |
| 23:41.51 | awal1 | ,v wpa-gui |
| 23:41.52 | judd | No package named 'wpa-gui' was found in amd64. |
| 23:42.31 | awal1 | ,v wpa_gui |
| 23:42.32 | judd | No package named 'wpa_gui' was found in amd64. |
| 23:44.04 | awal1 | ,v wpagui |
| 23:44.07 | judd | Package: wpagui on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0-3+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 1.0-3+deb7u4; jessie-security: 2.3-1+deb8u3; jessie: 2.3-1+deb8u4; stretch: 2.5-2+v2.4-3+b1; sid: 2.6-2 |
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| 23:52.00 | jasabella | awal1... as in how the shell splits up what you type into individual commands |
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| 23:53.00 | jasabella | foo && bar is different from foo ; bar |
| 23:54.20 | jasabella | and foo && bar > /dev/null might not do what you expect |
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| 23:57.36 | awal1 | jasabella: ok got you. tried all that but tint2 panel still anoying with it's output, so I have to use ^C then clear/reset. but it's ok; not an issue :) I guess I have to change something in tint 2 conffile. thanks for your time |
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