IRC log for #debian on 20170106

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15:44.54KaffeeJunky123WildPenguin: install it whilst removing an existing windows installation?
15:44.55jhutchinsWildPenguin: Pretty much any of the ones packaged in Debian works out-of-the-box.
15:44.59WildPenguinKubuntu?
15:45.14KaffeeJunky123urg no
15:45.20jhutchinsWildPenguin: Contrary to some propaganda, Kubuntu is just standard Ubuntu with KDE installed.
15:45.25KaffeeJunky123Their KDE integration has been terrible
15:45.34WildPenguinok.
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15:45.44KaffeeJunky123If you want something that is built around KDE get OpenSUSE
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15:45.58KaffeeJunky123Or Fedora
15:46.06WildPenguinI'm looking for an OS that is Debian based.
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15:46.13jhutchinsWildPenguin: It's worth noting that you can have multiple Environments installed together and switch between them as you like.
15:46.14KaffeeJunky123WildPenguin: then just use Debian :)
15:46.29KaffeeJunky123But you should test it
15:46.35WildPenguinok.
15:46.38KaffeeJunky123And you should have knowledge in the desktop that you'll recommend
15:46.49KaffeeJunky123I mean, you're going to provide support for a while after all
15:47.03KaffeeJunky123And you should be able to troubleshoot common issues
15:47.09WildPenguinI had almost forgotten that multiple DE can be installed.
15:47.26KaffeeJunky123Well they can, but it doesn't make much sense when they use different groupware
15:47.36KaffeeJunky123evolution vs kontact etc
15:47.43WildPenguinBut, still it should work without any hiccups.
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15:48.02KaffeeJunky123Yes, because they've seperate configuration for their stuff
15:48.21WildPenguinthat is why, I feel going for a single DE which is suitable is better.
15:48.50jhutchinsWildPenguin: You can also run gnome programs within KDE and vice-versa.
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15:49.39WildPenguinso, Debian stable with kde?
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15:53.00sh00pi'd go for testing if you got a reasonably modern computer
15:53.07sh00ptesting is pretty solid imo
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15:54.09sh00por actualy stable is pretty recent
15:54.11sh00pnevermind
15:54.16WildPenguintesting what?
15:54.31sh00pdebian testing
15:54.59WildPenguinok.
15:55.21sh00pbut i dont know where debian is at right now, so i'm sure you'll be fine with stable
15:56.00jhutchinssh00p: Please don't recommend testing to newcomers.
15:56.38sh00pjhutchins: alright, if you will
15:56.51jhutchinsWildPenguin: Testing is available so you can help find bugs before it's released.  It's meant to be broken, and it stays broken until a proper fix is found.  It does not get quick security updates.
15:56.56sh00pi've never had any problems with my setup, so i'm coming from that perspective
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15:57.36WildPenguinI'm too new to Linux to deal with such things.
15:57.37jhutchinsWildPenguin: You should get familiar with how Debian does things and handles packages, and maybe watch the channels for a while to see what goes wrong and how people fix it.
15:57.58WildPenguinand I want an OS to get the work done.
15:58.19jhutchinsWildPenguin: If you actually need the computer to get work done you want to have stable available at least as a fallback.
15:58.40WildPenguinFor me stable is the only option.
15:58.55jhutchinsWildPenguin: Stable might not have the latest packages with the latest cool features, but it just works.
15:59.01WildPenguinBesides me others also may use the computer.
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15:59.44WildPenguinok.
16:00.23jhutchinsWildPenguin: I've been using Linux exclusively for about a decade, and my wife's home computer has always been Linux.
16:00.55WildPenguinI am just about a month old in Linux.
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16:09.55DuvrazhMan.... I tried to join #centos automatically, and did so before my IDENT went through, and they banned me.
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16:11.57PosterThey send you to #centos-unregistered, this is in the ban list from 1/2/17:
16:12.11Poster#centos *!*@gateway/web/freenode/*$#centos-unregistered set by nylund.freenode.net (Mon Jan 02 17:24:05 2017)
16:12.24PosterI think it was probably before then, there have been some splits
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16:13.27DuvrazhYeah they auto-banned me because I hadn't ident'd with nickserv yet apparently, but I was reconnecting with ident token. Tried to join them automatically. They did indeed send me there. That's kind of a PITA.
16:14.06PosterIt's likely setup that way due to abuse, unfortunately you got hit in the crossfire
16:14.15PosterI had the same issue
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16:14.43PosterI am now setup to only join channels after NickServ has logged me in
16:14.56dStructDuvrazh: they probably have a blanket ban set for anyone not logged into nickserv, if you auth can you login afterwards?
16:15.00teraflopsthan use e.g sasl
16:15.10DuvrazhdStruct: I did auth. Still banned.
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16:15.16DuvrazhRather annoying
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16:15.38DuvrazhOh well forget them.
16:15.45Duvrazh#debian is where it's at.
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16:17.27dStructDuvrazh: ahh you're using the webclient, it looks like they have a blanket ban for all users that come from there
16:17.38Duvrazhbooooo
16:17.41DuvrazhYeah I totally am.
16:18.04DuvrazhI try not to install software if I don't have to.
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16:18.11DuvrazhI wind up with more crap...
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16:19.22dStructDuvrazh: I'd recommend setting up a client with SASL and sharing the public key with nickserv, you can still auth with password if you want but it's more secure with SSL (port 6697) and SASL
16:19.48DuvrazhNever tried that. I'm assuming this is common amongst most irc clients?
16:20.07DuvrazhI'm at work, therefore I'm on a Windows box. :(
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16:20.43DuvrazhdStruct: ^
16:20.57dStructDuvrazh: most, not all, yes
16:21.16DuvrazhYou've convinced me.... Off to Google to find the best.
16:21.21PosterKVIrc can run portable (no installer, run from USB drive, for example)
16:21.24Posterhttps://freenode.net/kb/answer/kvirc
16:21.29dStructDuvrazh: I prefer using ZNC and having it handle all the auth for me so I'm always on and always auth'd
16:21.47dStructDuvrazh: check out Hexchat, it's not too bad IMHO
16:21.54Posterplus it can have many clients connected to it -^
16:22.00Posterznc that is
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16:22.36dStructPoster: yes it can, although I only have myself on it, but I can login from for example Mutter on my iPhone 7 and stay connected and get push notified when I get a /msg :D
16:22.36Duvrazhhmmmm..... Well I might look into that for later
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16:23.16DuvrazhHeh. iPhone. I used to be a fanboy.
16:23.19PosterdStruct: yeah I have an instance I connect from 2 desktops full time and occasionlly my phone
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16:24.14dStructPoster: it's nice literally NEVER missing anything, it logs everything and plays it back on reconnect, which is pretty awesome
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16:24.58dStructDuvrazh: I'm pretty happy with it, but then again I may be a little biased
16:25.05dStructDuvrazh: the iPhone that is
16:25.19PosterdStruct: yes I agree 100%
16:25.21DuvrazhdStruct: I used to be too. Then my work gave me a Samsung Galaxy S7. I'll never go back to iPhone.
16:25.26dStructwaits to be yelled at for being super off topic :D
16:25.36Duvrazhoh yeah we are aren't we?
16:25.46dStructwe should move the convo to #debian-offtopic
16:25.58DuvrazhI'm game
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16:45.59astihello
16:46.10astiI'm having trouble installing java-jdk-8
16:46.40astiI get this error:
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16:47.19astidetected debian gnu type: i586-linux-gnu
16:47.34astiwhat's that? I have an i7 not a pentium CPU
16:47.39KaffeeJunky123when porting a debian package to systemd, how do I get it to set the daemon to enabled by default?
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16:48.58dondelelcaroKaffeeJunky123: if you have debian/package.service, dh_systemd_enable should do that for you
16:49.11dondelelcaroKaffeeJunky123: man dh_systemd_enable and dh_systemd_start for details
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16:50.17dondelelcaroKaffeeJunky123: specifically, though, you shouldn't need to do that manually
16:50.20KaffeeJunky123dondelelcaro: the package came with a sysvinit script, I've added a systemd unit file and build deps on dh-systemd, it looks like it's generating the systemd stuff, but also the update-rc.d commands
16:50.21astiI, once more, discovered why I normally use arch and not debian: stale package hell
16:50.55dondelelcaroasti: which architecture of Debian did you install?
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16:52.01dondelelcaroasti: and do you mean openjdk-8-jdk? or is this a package created with java-package?
16:52.03mrproperI have a relatively fresh Debian install and am having problems with NTP. It doesn’t seem to be starting on boot and won’t stay active permanently
16:53.02dondelelcaromrproper: and you've got ntp installed? it should start by default, and be configured by default too
16:53.25dondelelcaromrproper: what does systemctl status ntp; say?
16:53.42dStructif I want to modify a default shell keyboard key for example how the up arrow in bash brings up the last command, where is that actually set up?
16:53.44dondelelcaroKaffeeJunky123: if I understand it correctly, your package should have both of them
16:54.08mrproperdondelelcaro: Yeah it’s installed. It’s in rc5.d but when I try to run that script I get an error “No such file or directory”. If I do a restart against the init.d version (really, destination of the symlink) it works. Again, it doesn’t stay running that long, but it works for the moment.
16:54.25dondelelcarodStruct: man 3 readline; for details
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16:54.30KaffeeJunky123dondelelcaro: I guess so too, so we can support debian installations without systemd
16:54.36dondelelcaroKaffeeJunky123: right
16:54.42mrproperdondelelcaro: At the moment it says it’s working. But I’ll need to give it some time.
16:54.56KaffeeJunky123dondelelcaro: I guess I'll have to look into what causes the issues, just now the service came back up just fine after a suspend
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16:55.11KaffeeJunky123dondelelcaro: it's the g15daemon
16:55.27dStructdondelelcaro: awesome, thanks :D
16:55.33dondelelcarodStruct: np
16:55.57dStructdondelelcaro: I knew that lol, but couldn't remember.  I'm actually applying this to a System V R3 box heh
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16:56.21dondelelcaroheh
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16:56.57dondelelcaromrproper: ah, so it's starting, but failing randomly? are you using systemd? [If so, systemctl status ntp; or journalctl -u ntp; should tell you what went wrong with it. If not, you'll have to check /var/log/daemon.log IIRC.]
16:57.32dondelelcaromrproper: you might also check what the output of ntpq -c peers; is when it fails
16:57.42mrproperdondelelcaro: I think it’s systemd since systemctl works. I’ll need to give some time to let it fail and then troubleshoot.
16:58.02dondelelcaromrproper: cool. Assuming that you're saving the logs, you could potentially look at the old ones to see what it did
16:58.25dondelelcaromrproper: just mkdir /var/log/journal; and journalctl should start saving them for you
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16:59.59astidondelelcaro: I installed debian-8.6.0-i386
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17:00.33dondelelcaroasti: so then your i7 CPU is going to be treated as if it was a pentium class CPU.
17:00.46dondelelcaroasti: if you want it otherwise, install debian-8.6.0-amd64.
17:00.59astidondelelcaro: that was the problem
17:01.01astigot it thanks
17:01.10astibut why amd? I have an intel chip?
17:01.25dondelelcaroasti: because amd invented the instruction set first
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17:01.37astiokay thanks
17:01.38dondelelcaroasti: while intel was making IA64, which no one ended up using
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17:02.12dondelelcaro!em64t
17:02.13dpkg"Intel 64" (formerly IA-32e, EM64T) is Intel's clone of AMD64, providing 64-bit extensions to the i386 architecture.  Get either Debian i386 or amd64.  Ask me about <amd64>.
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17:12.57plasticlesorry, wrong window:)
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17:16.40jhutchins!ia-64
17:16.41dpkgIntel Itanium Architecture (formerly IA-64) is Intel's *other* 64-bit architecture.  Itanium processors are primarily found in HP Integrity servers and are supported by Debian's ia64 port (http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/).  It is not the same as the AMD64 / Intel 64 / x86-64 chips used in PCs, ask me about <amd64>.
17:17.16noahmg123I have connected a bluetooth headset but it does not appear in the sound settings
17:17.27jhutchinsxeons still use ia-64 don't they?
17:17.46teclo-no I have Xeons and they run amd64
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17:18.40jhutchinsIIRC the problem with IA-64 is it wasn't 32b compatible.
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17:23.01tableswhat's the easiest way to create a debian live cd?
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17:24.05GPenguintables: there is no easy way - at least to my knowledge
17:25.18GPenguintables: the web browsing journey could begin at Knoppers' remastering guides
17:25.27GPenguinbut the base is knoppix then
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17:26.21n4dirtables: you could look at refractasnapshot and i think antix has a similar tool. Both left the systmed thing behind, but i don't think it matters.
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17:26.43tableswhat's the easiest way to create a linux live cd distribution?
17:26.59n4dirbeen ages i used live-helper or such, a debian package itself, but that sure ain't easy (as long you want   a really customized version)
17:27.30GPenguintables: tools like ubiquity dont work for debian
17:27.48GPenguinand cd distribution is another field
17:27.57GPenguindid you take 10 minutes to google?
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17:28.29GPenguinah, sorry n4dir
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17:34.49jhutchins!live
17:34.49dpkgThe Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own.  These can be used to install a Debian system.  Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ .  http://live.debian.net/  #debian-live on irc.debian.org.  See also <live firmware>.  Currently you CANNOT install in <UEFI> mode from a Debian Live image.
17:35.11jhutchinstabakhase: pendrivelinux.com also has advice on building your own live image.
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17:36.39wingnuthi, i am using firefox-esr on debian from a remote location and it works well. What does -esr mean ?
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17:38.20jhutchinstabakhase: Sorry, nic completion fail.
17:38.29wingnutalso, it seems debian package this with some 'built-in' xorg functionality because xorg is not intalled on the server.
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17:38.54jhutchinswingnut: What are you using for your GUI then?
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17:39.22wingnutjhutchins: i am connecting remotely from a linux mint box
17:40.12wingnutto a debian server where firefox-esr is intalled
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17:40.47jhutchinswingnut: You don't need much of xorg installed to run an app remotely.  We used to just install xclock, it would pull the necessary libraries and was useful for testing.
17:41.01jhutchinswingnut: -esr is Extended Support Release.
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17:41.16wingnutok thanks :)
17:41.58jhutchinswingnut: Oracle has some GUI apps that the DBAs run remotely off the servers.
17:42.47wingnutjhutchins: I am very happy with the debian setup infact .. but I am trying to work out what debian package firefox-esr with because xorg is not installed.  apt-get install xorg would result in 110mb of installation
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17:43.44wingnutthe reason is : the same setup on an ubuntu server (somewhere else) results in very slow rendering
17:43.47jhutchinswingnut: Take a look at the apt*/dpkg logs in /var/log/, see what installed with it.
17:44.09jhutchinswingnut: Slow rendering is normal for forwarded X.
17:44.21wingnutthe ubuntu version does require full xorg install
17:44.51wingnutthe debian setup works almost as well as running locally
17:44.56jhutchinswingnut: That's a matter of packaging (dependencies).
17:45.42jhutchinswingnut: I doubt there's much difference in the code, they're both just packaged from the Mozilla binaries.
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17:46.58wingnutdebian uses firefox-esr 45.6 .. ubuntu uses firefox 50.1
17:47.04jhutchinswingnut: You might make sure that the Ubuntu install isn't actually _running_ X.
17:47.20jhutchins,v firefox
17:47.27juddPackage: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 50.1.0-1~bpo80+1; stretch: 50.1.0-1; sid: 50.1.0-1; experimental: 51.0~b5-1
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17:47.39ArmaysHello how can i include the Access-Control-Allow-Headers header in my servers response ?
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17:48.03jhutchinsArmays: What server?
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17:51.05Armaysjhutchins: a debian jessie
17:51.20Armaysi installed osrm
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17:54.04teraflopsArmays: idk what osrm is, but in e.g nginx use add_header
17:54.39Armaysok i use nginx
17:54.47teraflopsthen use add_header
17:54.51Armayscould you give me an exemple please ?
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17:55.02jhutchinsArmays: You should consult the ngnix docs.
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17:55.17Armaysok thanks
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17:55.45jhutchinsArmays: Probably useful to google "ngnix Access-Control-Headers"
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18:02.35woffsanyone using mini-buildd?
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18:03.00dTalSo there's this nifty but orphaned program called 'hnb' which Debian is evidently the sole maintainer for. I fixed a small bug a year ago and submitted a patch. Nothing happened. Did I do it right?
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18:03.34dTalI say "small" - the fix is small but without it the program is unusable.
18:03.54dTalhttps://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=812134
18:03.55juddBug http://bugs.debian.org/812134 in hnb (open): «shift-up and shift-down do not work properly in hnb»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-01-20; last modified: 2016-01-20.
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18:06.43jhutchinsArmays: BTW, that's not a "Figure it out for yourself", I think with public services like a web server it's best to understand the background of what you're doing and the security implications.
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18:08.42koowgnojeelI love you Debian :x Happy new year.
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18:14.52jhutchinsdTal: Have you tried contacting the maintainer?
18:15.05jhutchins,v hnb
18:15.06juddPackage: hnb on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.9.18-9; jessie: 1.9.18-10; sid: 1.9.18+ds1-1; stretch: 1.9.18+ds1-1
18:15.58dTalnot directly, I thought bug reports went to the maintainer - they'd be kind of pointless otherwise
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18:20.37cuscohi, what's the difference between firmware-linux-nonfree and firmware-misc-nonfree ?
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18:47.21mrproperMy Debian install seems to have problems with daylight savings time. NTP is running but it’s behind an hour. Is there something I need to set.
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18:50.05mrproperI just ran reconfigure for tz and it is saying “Local time is now:      Fri Jan  6 11:17:53 CST 2017.” which isn’t quite true. It’s 12:17.
18:50.26n4dir1mrproper: the debian wiki site has a page, i think to reset it was like "ntpd -q" or similar (sure the -q)
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18:50.38n4dir1but like anything else on the planet you can now use systemd to set it
18:50.46n4dir1dpkg ntp
18:50.46dpkgwell, ntp is The Network Time Protocol (NTP) is used to synchronize the clocks of computer systems over a network.  "aptitude install ntp" is enough to get going and synchronise your clock using the default ntp pool.  http://wiki.debian.org/NTP  See also <systemd-timesyncd>, <set time>, <pool.ntp>
18:51.05OozeI'm trying to add a new group, 'users' -- but I'm getting an error claiming this group already exists
18:51.17Oozeif I run 'groups', however, I do not see this group listed
18:51.19teraflopsmrproper: is your timezone right? you do dualboot with windows machine? do you sync with a timeserver?
18:51.24OozeWhat's awry?
18:51.48mrproperteraflops: The timezone is set to America/Chicago which is accurate. This isn’t dualboot but is inside of a VM. And yes, it’s setup to sync via ntp.
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18:52.36qqxOoze: The `groups` command lists groups that the current user belongs to, not all known groups.
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18:53.03abrotmandTal: dTal you might want to prepare an NMU and see if you can get someone to do that.  Not sure how you feel about being the package maintainer-ish
18:53.09Oozeahhh
18:53.16Oozeqqx: How can I list them all?
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18:54.06mrpropern4dir1: I have the VM setup to inherit the time from the host OS. I disabled that to see if it fixes the problem.
18:54.06qqxOoze: `getent group | cut -d: -f1`
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18:54.41n4dir1mrproper: usually the ntpd -q fixes it for me (assuming i recall the command exact)
18:55.07teraflopslol I wonder if time was fine in the host
18:55.47Oozecheers
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18:57.59dTalabrotman: I wouldn't mind, it's not exactly a high-maintainance package
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18:58.13dTalthough I'd worry about "doing it right"
18:58.20teraflopsdTal: then find a mentor
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19:17.55hiyaWhere would an application look for the default DHparam file?
19:18.09hiyaIf I am using a server software which do not have any option to set dhfile that I created which DHfile would it use when I set a cipher string which has DHE in it?
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19:21.09jhutchinshiya: I think that would be something that that software's docs or support would have to answer.  What software?
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19:23.44grawitythere is no default system-wide DHparam file
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19:23.59grawitythere are however default DH parameters which programs sometimes hardcode
19:24.14grawity(the Oakley groups, mostly)
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19:28.22hiyajhutchins, famous SIP server Kamailio
19:28.22hiyaDo you know about it?
19:28.39hiyaI am helping people fix its tls security but I don't see an option for dhfile
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19:32.23jaggzbah.. I just set it up manually.. well.. thanks
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19:32.26jaggz:)
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19:35.09abrotmandTal: see #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net, they can probably help more
19:35.18jhutchinshiya: Looks like it's a compile-time setting perhaps: https://www.kamailio.org/wiki/tutorials/tls/testing-and-debugging
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19:35.38jhutchinshiya: Looks like they've got pretty good support.
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19:36.48jhutchinshiya: http://kamailio.org/docs/modules/3.4.x/modules/tls.html
19:37.10hiyajhutchins, they do not have an option to set dhfile is what I said
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19:37.41hiyashow me the parameter for dhfile?
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19:40.32jhutchinshiya: Sorry, I'm still suggesting you use their support resources, I'm just passing on stuff as I find it.  It may be something you could set when you build it or build the module, or maybe even build the ssl lib.  Or you could just accept the defaults.  It's really a kamailio question, not a Debian question.
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19:42.34awal1wonders how a "simple" extension like 'xul-ext-ublock-origin' requires 11 mb space in disk; + fonts-font-awesome ) = around 12 mb :(
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19:43.44jhutchinsawal1: Space is cheap these days, nobody bothers to conserve it.
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19:46.06awal1jhutchins: right, but sounds like too much for an extension (xul-ext-adblok-plus just 3, doing almost the same job as ublock-origin)
19:46.22awal1adblock 3 mb ^
19:47.35hiyajhutchins, yes thanks
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19:50.18jhutchinsawal1: Maybe it didn't get properly stripped.
19:50.48jhutchinshiya: Good luck, thats an ambitious project!
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19:51.35awal1jhutchins, stripped?
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19:52.08jhutchinsawal1: Debug symbols, comments, etc.  Supposed to be removed before building Debian binaries.
19:52.29awal1jhutchins: ok, got it
19:52.46jhutchinsawal1: That's just a wild guess.  Bad code is another possibility.
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19:55.09dTalthanks abrotman!
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19:56.37hiyajhutchins, but they ignore PFS and support RC4/MD5 . I am just trying as an outsider to get them to fix it all
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19:59.34hiyajhutchins, if you are on twitter can you please twitter them? I emailed but I do't know if they still care. Tweets help becaause then public reads it
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20:00.12awal1A general question, not unstable specific: how to make aptitude purge ~o not purging old kernels as apt-get  does (bcuz of apt's autoremoval-kernels  http://paste.debian.net/plain/907093 )?
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20:02.50unbornany alternative to chrome/chromium/firefox? just for browsing net, with java but no plugins or anything extra?
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20:06.42awal1unborn, if using gnome, it have it's own browser; I don't remember it's name
20:07.11awal1otherwise you have midori
20:07.16unbornawal1: yap gnome here.. im just searching it..
20:07.41awal1I think it's called 'web browser' now
20:07.48awal1,v web-browser
20:07.49juddNo package named 'web-browser' was found in amd64.
20:08.22awal1I like 'luakit', unborn
20:08.46missmbobgnome's is called epiphany
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20:09.38missmbob,v epiphany-browser
20:09.39juddPackage: epiphany-browser on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.4.2-2.1; jessie: 3.14.1-1; stretch: 3.22.3-1; sid: 3.22.4-1
20:09.45unbornawal1: ah well I am trying to stay with debian repos..
20:10.05unbornis epiphany pre installed?
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20:10.20unbornnah its not
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20:11.08awal1unborn: luakit is in debian, not sure if in jessie. disigned for use with keyboard only, but it supports mouse too
20:11.50awal1,v luakit
20:11.51juddPackage: luakit on amd64 -- wheezy: 2012.03.25-1; sid: 2012.09.13-r1-8; stretch: 2012.09.13-r1-8
20:14.53unborn,v slimjet
20:14.55juddNo package named 'slimjet' was found in amd64.
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20:16.58unborngoiing with midori
20:17.31unbornheh
20:17.37unborn,v midori
20:17.38juddPackage: midori on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.4.3+dfsg-0.1; jessie-backports: 0.5.11-ds1-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 0.5.11-ds1-4; sid: 0.5.11-ds1-4; experimental: 0.5.12~wk2-exp1
20:17.48unborncrap
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20:26.03awal1unborn, well, you can try 'xombrero'; it's also fine. with 2 keyboard shortcuts you clean cookies and history
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20:26.52awal1many live distros uses 'netsurf'
20:27.23jhutchinsawal1: web-browser is just a placeholder alias for whatever browser is configured as the default.
20:28.45jhutchinsIs it normal that hitting e in grub now gives you the whole config file instead of just the three lines for the selected item?
20:28.57awal1jhutchins: yeah, I know ; but I don't remember where I have seen that gnome now calls it's browser jut 'web browser', maybe not in debian
20:28.59jhutchinsI see a lot of conditional code and such.
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20:29.31missmbobawal1: it does. debian package name didn't change. https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Web
20:30.29awal1missmbob: I see
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20:35.40Mahehey guys, I just tried compiling and installing the 4.9.1 vanilla kernel from kernel.org on jessie. Compilation succeeded but when I try to install linux-headers, it says it can't find the linux-headers (doh!) http://paste.debian.net/hidden/147f5693/    what am I doing wrong?
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20:39.41SynrGMahe: the package you're installing seems to have an odd suffix of "_1". did you add that?
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20:39.56Maheyea, I specified '1' as revision
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20:41.41Mahehmm I just tried installing '-image' first and then '-headers', it got further now but it seems to expect the source directory where I compiled it to be present. There seems to be some kind of symlink created by the binary package that tries to point to the original compilation dir, is this normal?
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20:43.00Maheshouldn't the built image and header packages be kind of 'self-contained' in terms of not depending on the (huge) source directory anymore?
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20:45.27iio7AFAIK, during installation of Debian, when the installer detects hardware that requires some non-free firmware blob, the user is asked whether he wants to enable this or not, am I not correct? Nothing gets installed without the user knowing?
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20:47.35missmbobthe official iso doesnt have any non-free firmware at all
20:47.48SynrGMahe: i've not done self-built kernels in a while. were you following the instructions from the kernel handbook for that?
20:47.56missmbob!firmware iso
20:47.57dpkgUnofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ .  See also <install guide>.
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20:48.05iio7missmbob, thanks a lot!
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20:50.04MaheSynrG, I followed the instructions at the official jessie docs
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20:50.49SynrGi assume you mean the kernel handbook, then.
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20:51.06MaheSynrG, https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/i386/ch08s06.html.en
20:51.41MaheI just extended the command by the 'kernel_headers' argument which also builds the headers
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20:52.51SynrGMahe: yeah. i just wanted to ensure it was that way (looks like it is based on the kernel handbook instructions) and not make-kpkg
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20:54.46MaheThe funny thing is, if I extract the built 'linux-image-4.9.*.deb', I can see a symlink at '/lib/modules/4.9.1/build' that points to '/media/mahe/<uuid>/linux-4.9.1' (external drive where I compiled the kernel)
20:55.28MaheI unmounted the drive already, that's why the DKMS process is failing
20:56.02SynrGMahe: Typically there are both -common and -arch packages ... did your build produce both?
20:56.31MaheSynrG, no - just the amd64 ones
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20:57.15SynrGok. might be something different about upstream kernel vs debian kernel builds
20:57.47MaheI looked at the installed jessie kernels: the corresponding symlink is pointing to the '/usr/src/linux-headers-*/' dir for the official debian ones
20:57.52SynrGMahe: i don't know what to say. except maybe there are more details in the kernel handbook (and the doc you cited links to it)
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20:59.03kubrickdaveIs there a reason freetype is still at 2.6.3?
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21:00.49missmbobkubrickdave: open a bug report and ask for 2.6.5
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21:01.27cwagehello. i have an issue starting mysql in debian 8 with systemd. mysql starts up fine if i start it from the commandline, however systemctl start mysql simply returns immediately. strace isn't particularly helpful https://gist.github.com/787a3b036a20eb1b1b1f34ba4d510266
21:01.31cwagei'm stumped
21:01.52cwagethere doesn't appear to be a /lib/systemd/system/mysql.service at all, though creating one doesn't seem to make much difference
21:02.02kubrickdavemissmbob: ok. i will.
21:02.44cwageresults from systemctl start and systemctl status https://gist.github.com/c212c3ccc1ab6be277b7504c023a126a
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21:05.48cwagewelp, doing systemctl stop mysql and systemctl start mysql it's working again
21:05.49cwage\o/
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21:28.15disi2 questions...
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21:28.29disiim trying to install docker, but trying to download their key keeps timing out. how do i diagnose this? (sorry, accidentally parted earlier without realizing)
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21:29.10disialso, my upgrades keep failing because i decline to continue after a warning from apt-listbugs... is there a way to say "just skip this one affected package"?
21:30.45DoberManndisi: http://www.debianadmin.com/how-to-prevent-a-package-from-being-updated-in-debian.html ;p
21:31.37disiDoberMann: perfect, thank you for that
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21:38.30jhutchinsdisi: As far as the docker key goes, I'm afraid that's an "ask them".
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21:39.53disijhutchins: ok, will do... i have already cross-posted their, but i wasnt sure if this was a common thing since they are have you use `apt-key adv`. thanks anyways
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22:02.14echosystmi have a box i need to log into as a particular user to do some completely non-sensitive stuff and cbf typing password every time
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22:05.11DoberMannechosystm: this should help http://serverfault.com/questions/760391/make-no-password-required-on-local-linux-tty-login
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22:08.12echosystmthanks DoberMann
22:08.20echosystmare there any security implications to this?
22:08.34echosystmi'm not well versed in all this tty business
22:08.43echosystmare they ever exposed over network?
22:08.58DoberMannunleass you have desktop manager and their autologin feature
22:09.23DoberMannthis is just as bad as don't close your session
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22:10.02echosystmok
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22:10.26n4diras far i can see: to be able to connect to a machine or to login into an account you would first have all to to run some kind of service which would enable that.
22:10.45n4dirI can't see how that should work without doing such (ssh server, vnc-server, something like that)
22:10.56echosystmtheres absolutely no way this could be exposed if i had ssh enabled?
22:11.03echosystmor is that exactly what i'm doing
22:11.24echosystmi do need to enable ssh from time to time
22:11.27n4dirif you got password authentication for ssh? Never tried that, but i would assume then whoever knows the username can ssh to it
22:12.01DoberMannremote login for users that don't have password should be disabled by default
22:12.01n4diruse authentication via ssh-keys, and the problem is solved ( i think)
22:12.09echosystmhang on
22:12.26echosystmif i set a password on the user (that i never actually use), i'm safe right?
22:12.35DoberMannno
22:12.46DoberMannit will allow remote (ssh ?) login
22:12.50jscoderas long as someone doesnt manage to get your key. and just because you use a key doesn't mean you can't also use a password
22:13.10echosystmDoberMann: but they would need to know the password to login right?
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22:13.16DoberMannno need to set a password for remote (keyà ssh login
22:13.22DoberMannno need to set a password for remote (key) ssh login
22:13.27echosystmso as long as it is sufficiently long, i'm all good?
22:13.31peterrooneysshd has AllowUsers and DenyUsers
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22:13.53echosystmi guess what i'm saying...
22:14.13echosystmi'm not worried about someone logging into the box over ssh if they know the password
22:14.32echosystmi'm worried about someone being able to remotel access the computer without knowing the password of the autologin user
22:14.46peterrooneyechosystm: except you explicitly said the user wouldn't have a password
22:14.50echosystmas in, if i autologin someone on tty1, does that somehow get exposed anywhere
22:15.07echosystmyeah i know peterrooney, but a few lines above i said i;ll add a password
22:15.19echosystmthe autologin thing doesnt care if the user has a password or not
22:15.45jscoderechosystm: you can disable an account if its going to solely use autologin that prevents any actual login from happening
22:15.58DoberMannyes, but is you set a password this will enable the remote password login ability
22:16.04n4dirdiffernt question would be: from where to where do you ssh? Is it over the internet or in the LAN? How many persons use the LAN? etc ...
22:16.41echosystmssh is just over lan, but this is all just theoretical; i dont want to shoot myself in the foot with something i dont understand
22:17.12jscoderhas to run
22:17.51echosystmhm. ok. here's what i'm thinking. there's two options.
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22:18.09n4dirsure doesn't hurt to make ssh bulletproof no matter what, but if i ssh around here, i for one would think security doesn't come into it (well: not much)
22:18.15echosystm1. passwordless user with no shell (eg. /bin/false or whatever)
22:18.24echosystmthat way no one can ever ssh into it
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22:18.43echosystm2. user with long password i never remember and no shell (eg. /bin/false)
22:18.48echosystmwhich is the better option?
22:18.58DoberMannechosystm: not sure you can have an autologin user with /bin/false as a shel ;)
22:19.10echosystmthe autologin thing lets you specify the shell to use
22:19.18echosystmie. it overrides whatever is in passwd
22:19.38n4dirperhaps you missed what peterrooney: sshd has AllowUsers and DenyUsers said. If it was me i would do that.
22:20.04echosystmn4dir: i'd like a general solution, not one specific to ssh
22:20.10DoberMannyes, but /bin/false will certainly not allow what you want to do with your autologin tty ;)
22:20.13echosystmcould be other services enabled in the future
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22:20.22n4dirthough i would use keys too. which seems to solve the problem too. no key, no ssh-login. boom
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22:21.05n4dirwell: don't create a passwordless account.
22:21.32echosystmDoberMann: what i mean is i'll specify /bin/bash on autologin, but the user itself will have /bin/false as their shell
22:21.42echosystmanyway i think #2 is the safest option
22:22.04DoberMannif you don't need a password, don't set it
22:22.57DoberMannunless you override default configuration, remote for non-password acounts is disabled
22:23.08DoberMannexcept usin ssh key
22:23.38echosystmok
22:24.53DoberMannyou can do your tty/default user shell trick if that works
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22:25.14DoberMannbut anyway "security" and autologin stuff does not mix well ;)
22:29.32zykotick9DoberMann: you'd cringe at my encrypted-lvm with autologin to xorg then <from the do as i say, not as i do - department, i agree with you!>
22:30.22DoberMann=)
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22:30.47DoberMannsometime you need autologin, for instance on mediacenter ;)
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22:34.45echosystmDoberMann: this is a mediacenter :P
22:35.07echosystmi just need a user i can easily log into to download stuff
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22:42.21tootheIs SELinux enabled on Debian?
22:42.27tootheIf so, is there a quick and dirty way to turn it off?
22:42.49teraflopstoothe: nope it's not enabled by default
22:43.02tootheokay...then this likely isn't the issue...hm...
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22:53.15LazyAngelI just lost ssh-connection while running "apt-get install". Now I see that process is still running. What do I do so the system doesn't go bananas?
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22:54.15nkuttlerLazyAngel: try apt-get -f install
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22:55.22zykotick9LazyAngel: consider using tmux/screen in future perhaps?
22:57.15LazyAngellooks like it was able to complete the installation in the background. lucky me
22:57.26LazyAngelzykotick9: it was on the LAN, so didn't see that coming
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23:00.51DoberMannLazyAngel: you can try reptyr if already installed
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23:01.14gribouillehi
23:01.16DoberMannnice tool to have anyway
23:01.52gribouilleif I modify /etc/resolv.conf, do I have to restart networking?
23:02.07teraflopsgribouille: nope
23:02.08DoberMannno
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23:02.31gribouilledo the changes take effect automatically?
23:02.38teraflopsyep
23:02.43gribouilleok thanks
23:02.49GorwellHey, I need to backup my disk. Will I have any issue if I do dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb/disk.img while /dev/sda is mounted?
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23:03.22nkuttlerGorwell: um... dd isn't really a backup tool.. and certainly not while you write to the disk
23:03.22DoberMannGorwell: you will if you want to restore it later ;)
23:03.36nkuttlerGorwell: just use rsync or something else
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23:03.53DoberManndoes not work for all either
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23:04.08teraflopsGorwell: yo can but that's not a good idea
23:04.19GorwellI don't want to restore it later, but at least be able to access the files
23:04.21Gorwellthanks
23:04.30Gorwellso, rsync would be the option
23:04.46nkuttleror, just good old tar
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23:04.54DoberManni mean if you're out of luck some files won't be readable ;p
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23:05.08teraflopsyeah tar is fine or rsync
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23:05.51Gorwellthanks, guys
23:05.52Gorwell:)
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23:11.12disisanity check: 1102 perms means "sticky bit + owner execute + world write" correct?
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23:20.21green_teahi, new to debian switchover from ubuntu, wondering why my keyring password cannot be accessed when trying to access my root terminal
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23:25.07zykotick9green_tea: welcome to debian (i made the same switch many moons ago).  understand that root is a different user then your regular user (even when using sudo).  dunno if that helps?  best of luck.
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23:27.06steakwipei remember the days before sudo was really around
23:27.14steakwipewhen sudo came around i was stoked
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23:30.41n4dir1back then, when jesus was a baby.
23:31.30green_teayes but should I not be able to access the room terminal from admin?
23:31.46green_teait said I don't know the key passphrase
23:31.56green_teaI know the root pw and my user pw
23:32.00green_teaand tried both
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23:35.43n4dir1in any terminal emulator you can type su and become root?
23:35.55n4dir1or sudo su, or whatever you use
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23:37.07green_teado you need to set a sudo pw first or it is the same as root?
23:37.26n4dir1sudo uses the users password, as far i can tell.
23:37.49n4dir1so no, there sure is nothing to be setup in that regard
23:39.04n4dir1the user must be part of the sudoers group (or such) and must be setup in the config file, /etc/sudo or such.
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23:41.31green_teaok
23:43.04n4dir1not that sure. can't recall that i ever used sudo, bout round the lines of that
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23:44.09zykotick9green_tea: fyi, by default, all you need to do to enable sudo is a) install sudo b) add user to sudo group and c) if logged in currently, logout/back in...
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23:45.42n4dir1wouldn't know how that should work without editing sudoers file, but hey ...
23:46.13zykotick9n4dir1: by default the "sudo" group gets sudo access.  it's already in sudoers by default.
23:46.48n4dir1and what commands will it be able to run?
23:47.02zykotick9thinks editing sudoers is only for "fine grained" control... ymmv.
23:47.29zykotick9n4dir1: anything sudo/root could...
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23:47.58n4dir1what do you mean? anything sudo can? with sudo you can run certain commands,
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23:48.07zykotick9n4dir1: it's THOSE sort of controls (per-application/per-user) where sudoers is gold ;)
23:48.30n4dir1or, if you make it like that (for what reason ever is beyond me) the user can run all commands.
23:49.16n4dir1might be debian has changed that, but i am pretty sure you had to edit /etc/sudoers to make it possible to do just anything with sudo
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23:49.33zykotick9n4dir1: it's changed...
23:49.33n4dir1would be new then. oh my
23:49.37n4dir1oh my.
23:49.52zykotick9like pre-squeeze or so ;)
23:50.14n4dir1huh? nah.
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23:52.07n4dir1anyway: if all he has to do is install sudo and add him to the group, he will soon enough figure it out
23:52.30zykotick9n4dir1: don't forget the log out and back it ;)
23:52.39frazrwriting second ever golang prog, idea is to run this on 80 live sites as root when finished, haha the sweats i'll be having :P
23:53.30frazris this a good idea? :P
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