| 00:03.42 | teraflops | debusb: if you cannot fix that, what sucks is the client itself |
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| 00:05.42 | debusb | teraflops: oh I know its a terrible IRC client. can you suggest something better for idiots? I personally use irssi but I want to put something on here that is more straighforward and graphical. With pidgin I can save channels and give them aliases and such the only major issue is getting rid of the f'n rainbox nicks |
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| 00:06.44 | teraflops | debusb: nah irssi is better for sure |
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| 00:07.05 | debusb | it does intelligent join/part hiding based on how long since someone spoke, properly colors everything else.. its just those damn rainbow nicks that their devs keep saying is not an issue |
| 00:07.19 | teraflops | ah well pidgin is more than IRC |
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| 00:07.32 | debusb | hardcoded random rainbow nick colors is a huge f'n problem.. |
| 00:08.03 | teraflops | debusb: I never in my life used pidgin, so no idea |
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| 00:08.15 | teraflops | irssi is fine, also weechat |
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| 00:09.57 | sandro | any experience on IRC clients running on iOS? |
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| 00:10.21 | debusb | hmm.. this is insane.. weechat says it supports scripting in like a billion different languages :-P |
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| 00:10.48 | debusb | usually an app just has one scripting language |
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| 00:11.28 | teraflops | debusb: hmm I bet all those features are achievable using weechat + a few scripts |
| 00:12.00 | debusb | probably, gonna try it and see.. |
| 00:12.14 | teraflops | debusb: /script in weechat |
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| 00:15.38 | debusb | hmm. weechat isn't what I'm looking for, its curses based |
| 00:15.43 | Gilfoyle- | Hmm, anyway to downgrade entirely from stretch to jessie? |
| 00:15.53 | teraflops | debusb: yeah same as irssi |
| 00:16.14 | debusb | Gilfoyle-: yeah, format the drive, install jessie, restore your backup |
| 00:16.20 | Gilfoyle- | Frick |
| 00:16.24 | Gilfoyle- | >_> |
| 00:16.38 | Gilfoyle- | Welp, not happening for a while then. |
| 00:16.49 | Gilfoyle- | Don't have a backup drive large enough for all the media on here. |
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| 00:17.05 | debusb | stretch will be released soon from what I understand.. last I checked it only had about 600 RC bugs |
| 00:17.22 | Gilfoyle- | The reason I ask is because I need to install several i386 libs for opengl |
| 00:17.45 | debusb | ah, they're not in stretch? |
| 00:18.04 | teraflops | Gilfoyle-: if the media were in it's own partition I bet I'd be painless |
| 00:18.11 | notafile | is the release time of debian completely arbitrary or is there some kind of schedule? |
| 00:18.19 | Gilfoyle- | They are, however it seems several dependent libs are a higher version under jessie then stretch. |
| 00:18.25 | debusb | notafile: its WIR, when its ready |
| 00:18.27 | Gilfoyle- | teraflops: If only I had the money for another drive. :P |
| 00:18.33 | teraflops | hehe |
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| 00:19.13 | debusb | you can practically find money for another hdd in most couches these days.. |
| 00:19.21 | hyper_ch | is there currently some exploit with ntpd? I noticed a lot of outboudn traffic... |
| 00:19.47 | notafile | is it just me imagining things or do the non-stable releases become a lot more buggy after a new stable release? |
| 00:20.04 | notafile | hyper_ch: I think you can use it for amplification |
| 00:20.23 | hyper_ch | notafile: yeah, it looks like it's being abused for that |
| 00:20.32 | notafile | I only ever heard of dns being used for amplification attacks but I think ntp is possible too |
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| 00:21.05 | hyper_ch | how to protect against that? |
| 00:21.08 | debusb | notafile: yeah, obviously.. things freeze and get slushy right before a stable release, when it warms up the viscosity changes.. you sink.. heh |
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| 00:21.20 | debusb | basic physics really |
| 00:21.46 | notafile | hyper_ch: I'm not a network guy so I have no idea, but does your ntp server need to be internet-accessible? |
| 00:21.53 | Gilfoyle- | So I guess 32 and 64bit libs need to be the same version to be installed? |
| 00:22.06 | hyper_ch | notafile: not really |
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| 00:22.16 | notafile | because just enying access outside of your network would be a simple way to fix your issue hyper_ch |
| 00:22.18 | somiaj | notafile: what do you mean by non-stable releases? oldstable doesn't change much after the release, once it hits lts support some things change, but not too much on the server side. |
| 00:22.31 | notafile | I mean testing and sid |
| 00:22.38 | debusb | oh and the tab completion royally sucks in pidgin too. |
| 00:23.15 | somiaj | notafile: well yea, those are moving targets (not releases) and they are known to be buggy and users should know what to expect when using prereleases. |
| 00:23.56 | notafile | somiaj: Yes, that's a tradeoff that I hate to make |
| 00:23.57 | somiaj | notafile: as for timeline, debian follows a 'when it is ready' timeline, the freeze time line was annouced and updated a while ago, but the actual release depends on what rc bugs are present, and how aggresivally the release team deals with packages that have rc bugs (one way to deal with an rc bug is remvoe the package) |
| 00:24.26 | somiaj | notafile: #debian doesn't suggest using testing/unstable for anythign production. And we prefer to support the release. |
| 00:25.06 | notafile | my prod stuff runs stable, my pcs run sid |
| 00:25.58 | notafile | it's really annoying to have 1yr old packages in stable, but I understand why it has to be that way |
| 00:26.26 | somiaj | notafile: depends on what you need. I find most stuff I use doens't need to be the current release that is working out new bugs. |
| 00:26.48 | debusb | I shall return... installing all gtk irc clients for testing. |
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| 00:27.05 | somiaj | notafile: but with backports being offically made, that is a good compermise, just realize backports don't have the security support or bug testing of main packages |
| 00:27.09 | Gilfoyle- | Hmm, no way to downgrade libc6 |
| 00:27.22 | somiaj | Gilfoyle-: why do you need to downgrade it? |
| 00:27.30 | somiaj | Gilfoyle-: in general debian doens't support downgrading. |
| 00:28.10 | Gilfoyle- | Seems that somehow the i386 version in stretch is a different version from the amd64 version in stretch. |
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| 00:28.13 | Gilfoyle- | So, can't install it. |
| 00:28.21 | Gilfoyle- | Along with a bunch of other libs like it. >_> |
| 00:28.34 | Gilfoyle- | just wants fracking opengl libs installed |
| 00:28.37 | notafile | somiaj: the thing with backports is you have to manually set it up all of the time, it's just really annoying to go "oh, let my try this cool new feature" "wait, it doesn't exist yet" |
| 00:29.38 | somiaj | notafile: last I checked the jessie isntaller asked if you wanted them included in your sources.list and yes they are pinned lower for a reason. You should have to tell apt to install them since they are not as well tested and may not be needed. |
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| 00:30.25 | notafile | somiaj: yeah, I get why, I just want to have my cake and eat it to, dammit |
| 00:30.33 | somiaj | Gilfoyle-: you can downgrade any package manually, but results may vary. Maybe try a different mirror or wait for the server to get in line (sometimes it takes a while for all packages to upgrade) |
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| 00:30.57 | Gilfoyle- | I guess so. |
| 00:31.21 | Gilfoyle- | Welp, no playing caves of qud then. >_> |
| 00:31.24 | somiaj | Gilfoyle-: you may have the old debs in /var/cache/apt/archives if you don't run apt-get clean often that you can manually install with dpkg -i, and there is snapshot.debian.org for old packages no longer on the mirrors |
| 00:31.42 | somiaj | Gilfoyle-: so there are things you can do while you wait, you can also try a different mirror |
| 00:31.58 | somiaj | Gilfoyle-: (this of course is all part of runing testing as things change) (: |
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| 00:32.12 | notafile | is there any reason ftp.debian.org does not use the fance anycast or whatever it's called dns to redirect to the nearest mirror? |
| 00:32.59 | missmbob | you can use httpredir.d.o or deb.d.o |
| 00:33.25 | notafile | oh, nice |
| 00:33.27 | somiaj | !httpredir.debian.org |
| 00:33.28 | dpkg | To have <APT> automatically select a mirror close to you, use the Geo-IP redirector in your sources.list "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main". See http://httpredir.debian.org/ . The redirector uses HTTP 302 redirects not DNS to serve content so is safe to use with Google DNS. See also <which httpredir.debian.org>. This service is identical to http.debian.net. <deb.debian.org> will be more reliable. |
| 00:33.41 | Gilfoyle- | I think libc6 is a large part of the problem. :P |
| 00:33.49 | notafile | I wonder why that isn't the default |
| 00:34.05 | somiaj | notafile: ftp.debian.org should not be used as a mirror, ftp.country_code.debian.org are the old round robin type redirectors, httpredir.debian.org is the one for jessie, with newer apts in stretch there is a more robust redirector available. |
| 00:34.46 | somiaj | notafile: The newer installer gives you the choice, I htink that is number 2. Unsure about the stretch installer. |
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| 00:35.31 | notafile | so if I'm currently on sid I should switch to deb.debian.org? |
| 00:35.49 | somiaj | notafile: you can. |
| 00:35.53 | notafile | instead of the local mirror |
| 00:36.02 | somiaj | choice is yours, if the mirror you are using now works fine use it. |
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| 00:36.31 | teraflops | hmm httpredir has a reputation of doing weird things |
| 00:37.00 | somiaj | yea, it wasn't as robost as I would have hoped, or maybe I just see the issues when they arise here and it works fine in most cases. |
| 00:37.09 | somiaj | though the new apt and deb.debian.org might be better. |
| 00:37.29 | notafile | I'm confused as to what is preferred too |
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| 00:37.41 | notafile | apt, apt-get + apt-cache, aptitude |
| 00:37.53 | somiaj | notafile: use the mirror that is best for you. You can either use one of these redirectors, or use a local mirror you nkow is good. |
| 00:38.09 | notafile | I tend to use aptitude because it actually tells me how to fix packages |
| 00:38.16 | somiaj | notafile: use the one you like. Sometimes the logic of one will figure out thigns the logic of another won't. |
| 00:38.41 | somiaj | aptitude has a bit more complex logic that can figure out more complicated things sometimes, but I've seen other cases that apt-get figures out stuff aptitude can't. |
| 00:38.48 | somiaj | apt-get/apt are faster. |
| 00:39.10 | somiaj | I use apt-get out of habbit. |
| 00:39.11 | notafile | except aptitude has this bug where it currently fills up all ram resolving dependencies |
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| 00:45.55 | Gilfoyle- | Think I finally fucking fixd it! |
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| 00:51.36 | seekr | The following question is one I've just posted to ##linux, so apologies if you see it twice... |
| 00:51.37 | seekr | I'd like to get some pointers on how to go about debugging a DNS problem. I presently have three machines connected to a router via Ethernet cable. Only one of them, running Linux Mint, is able to resolve DNS addresses. The other two, both running variants of Debian, cannot, however. I suspect a problem with router configuration, but I'd like to start by getting an understanding of how DNS requests are usually handled. Thanks. |
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| 00:52.58 | ddybing | Hi! I'm not sure if Debian is to blame, but I am experiencing very slow transfer speeds - both over the network and locally, on my Debian server. Getting around 40-45 mbytes/s over the network, and ~60mbytes/s from one disk to another, locally. |
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| 01:15.46 | Gilfoyle- | Welp, libs are fixed. |
| 01:15.53 | Gilfoyle- | But now steam is borked. >_> |
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| 01:28.55 | Mister_X | hello guys |
| 01:29.27 | Mister_X | I'm trying to set-up my laptop and use nvidia drivers on an optimus system |
| 01:29.41 | somiaj | good luck. In debian there is bumblebee |
| 01:29.44 | Mister_X | but for whatever reason, when logging in on X, it ends up freezing |
| 01:29.46 | somiaj | !bumblebee |
| 01:29.46 | dpkg | The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\''[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian <jessie> and <wheezy-backports>. http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee http://bumblebee-project.org/ #bumblebee on irc.freenode.net. |
| 01:29.51 | Mister_X | I've done that |
| 01:30.03 | Mister_X | I did something like 10 installs |
| 01:30.10 | Mister_X | and tried a bunch of different things |
| 01:30.19 | somiaj | support for that hardware is limited in debian. Does your bios let you disable one of the cards? |
| 01:30.34 | Mister_X | well, I want to use CUDA |
| 01:30.57 | Mister_X | and if I use the nvidia only, I'm not sure how long the battery will last |
| 01:31.09 | somiaj | support is going to be limited. Seems you have tried everything i know of to get it to work in debian. |
| 01:31.16 | Mister_X | https://fixmynix.com/install-and-configure-nvidia-optimus-with-bumblebee-in-debian/ |
| 01:31.38 | Mister_X | I managed to install but as soon as I hit enter when logging in, it freezes |
| 01:31.48 | Mister_X | any way I can get the log from the kernel panic? |
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| 01:32.09 | somiaj | Mister_X: unsure what is the best advise. I do know that ubuntu has better support for that hardware. But unsure how to debug your issues. |
| 01:32.17 | Mister_X | ubuntu doesn't work |
| 01:32.21 | Mister_X | I can't even boot with it |
| 01:32.36 | Mister_X | install works but it freezes right after boot |
| 01:32.43 | Mister_X | some kind of soft lockup and NMI |
| 01:32.55 | Mister_X | if I click 'try Ubuntu', same thing |
| 01:33.34 | somiaj | can't help you there, that was just an off hand comment as I don't really know how to deal with that hardware. My advise would be disable one of the cards. Can you make it so it uses intel only? |
| 01:34.00 | Mister_X | base install works if I disable nouveau |
| 01:34.08 | Mister_X | but I need CUDA |
| 01:34.46 | somiaj | Mister_X: have all your tests been on jessie or stretch? |
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| 01:35.39 | steakwipe | if this is any help i can't even boot with nouveau enabled, but am using a regular desktop nvidia card, but with nouveau enabled i get a hang that sounds just like yours |
| 01:35.58 | steakwipe | blacklisting the nouveau driver is how i got around that |
| 01:36.13 | steakwipe | module, rather |
| 01:36.16 | Mister_X | steakwipe, that's what I have to do to get it to boot |
| 01:36.33 | Mister_X | I managed to do that and followed the guide I mentioned to install nvidia driver |
| 01:36.42 | Mister_X | and it freezes after I login |
| 01:36.50 | Mister_X | I'm trying to get the kernel panic message now |
| 01:36.56 | Mister_X | to determine what failed |
| 01:37.25 | Mister_X | somiaj, stretch |
| 01:37.34 | Mister_X | and it contains the very latest driver from nvidia |
| 01:37.44 | somiaj | Mister_X: okay, just was going to suggest trying stretch if jessie isn't working. |
| 01:38.05 | somiaj | ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 01:38.06 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 304.131-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.96-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.96-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 367.57-2~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 375.26-1; sid/non-free: 375.26-1 |
| 01:38.48 | Mister_X | stretch contains the same version as nvidia website |
| 01:39.29 | Mister_X | (there is no way to disable/enable just one of the cards btw_ |
| 01:39.59 | somiaj | yea, I was afraid of that, I personally suggest advoding the hardware if you want a smooth ride in linux and debian. |
| 01:40.41 | Mister_X | nowadays, a laptop with any nvidia card is gonna have optimus |
| 01:41.06 | somiaj | well hopefully some headway is being made on support. |
| 01:41.33 | Mister_X | yeah, I guess I'll have to go back to Windows |
| 01:41.39 | Mister_X | :/ |
| 01:41.57 | somiaj | Mister_X: seems you have tried all the info I know of. |
| 01:42.13 | Mister_X | hold on |
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| 01:42.17 | Mister_X | I can try kdump |
| 01:42.26 | Mister_X | to get kernel panic |
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| 01:43.12 | steakwipe | yea if we can figure out where it tripped, i bet we can at least get pointed in the right direction |
| 01:43.33 | steakwipe | whether there's a solution at the end of the tunnel or not, that seems hit or miss based on the things i've seen about optimus on linux |
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| 01:44.38 | Mister_X | they should go back to a single card, less issues/complications |
| 01:44.46 | Mister_X | and have some kind of low power mode |
| 01:44.51 | Mister_X | for basic 2d stuff |
| 01:45.50 | somiaj | or at least have you enable/disable at bios level, that way you can at least reboot, and change cards if needed. |
| 01:46.02 | Mister_X | yep |
| 01:46.19 | Mister_X | but still could be a problem if a specific driver is loaded for X |
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| 01:48.24 | somiaj | Mister_X: i'm lucky intel graphics is all I need on a laptop. (: |
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| 01:57.41 | WindowsXPForever | Upgrading to 3.2 from 2.6.32 I get a blank screen and a system lockup near the beginning of the init |
| 01:57.49 | WindowsXPForever | possibly framebuffer? |
| 01:57.59 | WindowsXPForever | I need interactive startup or something |
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| 01:58.25 | futurama140 | HOWDY PEOPLE! I am having an issue that maybe you all can help with. I have cinnamon running, and there is no keyboard shortcut to toggle the case (uppertcase/lowercase) of whatever text I have highlighted. How do i tell the custom keyboard shortcut to do that with my key combo? |
| 01:59.10 | WindowsXPForever | 2.6.32 is in kernel panic is it worth investigating or too old to fix? |
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| 02:34.58 | Mister_X | kdump doesn't seem to work (doesn't reboot automatically) |
| 02:35.03 | Mister_X | back to Windows I guess |
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| 02:38.42 | Gilfoyle- | What |
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| 02:38.51 | Gilfoyle- | What're the opengl libs for intel cards? |
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| 02:39.01 | Gilfoyle- | Seems mine aren't being loaded or something of the sort. |
| 02:39.12 | Gilfoyle- | Just mesa right? |
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| 02:45.29 | Mister_X | actually, it displayed the kernel panic, the issue is in snd_hdac_bus_update_rirb (snd_hda_core) |
| 02:45.34 | Mister_X | NULL pointer dereference |
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| 02:52.23 | WindowsXPForever | my system freezez with blanks screen after a few lines of starting initial services |
| 02:52.30 | WindowsXPForever | with kernel 3.2 |
| 02:52.33 | WindowsXPForever | 2.6 is fine |
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| 07:18.33 | dionysus69 | how can I change permission on sda6 so my user can read/write on it? |
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| 07:20.35 | pfred1 | dionysus69 you can put a directory on it |
| 07:20.54 | pfred1 | then chown the dir |
| 07:20.59 | dionysus69 | no I need a full partition |
| 07:21.14 | dionysus69 | i created a virtual vmdk pointing to physical partition |
| 07:21.20 | dionysus69 | but cant read and write without sudo |
| 07:21.33 | dionysus69 | i dont want to run virtualbox in sudo for reasons I have been warned before so :p |
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| 07:22.40 | cool | hello |
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| 07:22.57 | cool | any body? |
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| 07:27.46 | Pavr | you expect every 1580 people to greet you? |
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| 07:32.02 | WildPenguin | is JStoker online here? |
| 07:32.14 | WildPenguin | JStoker, hello.. |
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| 07:36.07 | romancer | Hi. Is it possible to see a list of packages that were added _after_ initial installation? |
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| 07:36.52 | jim | you'd have to get their date to know when they were added |
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| 07:38.59 | jim | when you say "added" what did you mean? |
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| 07:40.15 | romancer | jim, whatever was added through apt-get after the system was installed. If there is an option to see the list of all packages _with installation date_ - it'll work as well. |
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| 07:40.53 | themill | romancer: to a first approximation, aptitude search '?or(~poptional,~pextra)~i!~M' |
| 07:41.10 | nkuttler | romancer: /var/log/dpkg.log ? |
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| 07:42.17 | themill | or not hmm |
| 07:42.58 | jim | romancer, so you mean installed on your system after you rebooted into your newly installed system for the first time? |
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| 07:43.31 | themill | aptitude search '~i!~M?or(~poptional,~pextra)' â is better |
| 07:43.38 | jim | (and you don't mean packages that were added -to the archive- after you installed your system |
| 07:43.42 | jim | ) |
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| 07:44.00 | romancer | to the archive?.. themill, let me try it in a moment. |
| 07:44.51 | jim | the archive would be the set of mirrors where packages appear for download |
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| 07:46.21 | romancer | jim, there should be none except of those provided with installation image. themill, can I switch off the categories in aptitude to see tha plain list? (or just >> it somewhere) |
| 07:46.26 | piklu | I am trying to create a gameback end for mutliplayer, I want to choose crossbar.io, however is it worth choosing a cloud service - considering they shut all the time, or should I setup my own infrastructure with crossbar or kafka or something |
| 07:46.41 | themill | romancer: categories? |
| 07:47.11 | romancer | --\ Installed packages --\ Tasks... |
| 07:47.22 | themill | that command won't show anything like that |
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| 07:49.31 | romancer | themill, found! Views --> New Flat Package List. Then, Search --> Limit display and use your formula. |
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| 07:51.12 | themill | or you could just «aptitude search '~i!~M?or(~poptional,~pextra)'» as I said. |
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| 08:09.07 | jim | themill, would /var/log/dpkg.log show all the packages that were installed, including all the base packages? |
| 08:13.11 | romancer | jim, let me try this as well. |
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| 08:16.17 | romancer | jim, sort of: cat /var/log/dpkg.log | grep ' installed ' > installed.txt |
| 08:17.40 | dionysus69 | ok i need to open a program with path included |
| 08:17.49 | dionysus69 | but i dont want to open terminal and run it every time |
| 08:17.52 | dionysus69 | how do I do that? |
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| 08:21.22 | jim | romancer, take a look at the dates shown in the output of ls -l /var/log/dpkg* |
| 08:23.06 | jim | it's possible the last one will show a date close to when you first installed... and looking at the top few lines of that last file, should show the exact time/date when you started the install, and the installer started installing the base |
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| 08:23.29 | jim | I don't know whether that info would be lost when rotating those logs |
| 08:25.25 | at0m | jim: depends, if logrotate just compresses or also rm's, and when |
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| 08:26.26 | jim | is that dependent on configuration of logrotate? |
| 08:26.30 | at0m | yea |
| 08:26.37 | at0m | not sure what the default is |
| 08:26.40 | at0m | romancer: no need to cat when you can directly grep |
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| 08:37.38 | romancer | at0m, mm.. "grep /file ' blah ' " doesnt work |
| 08:37.52 | GPenguin | grep --help |
| 08:38.03 | GPenguin | first search pattern then file |
| 08:38.11 | romancer | ouch |
| 08:38.12 | at0m | romancer: "grep blah file" does |
| 08:38.15 | at0m | =) |
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| 08:51.56 | themill | jim: logs get rotated |
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| 09:42.56 | wb7odyfred | Hello, do many users of RaspberryPi Pixel desktop on x86 show up here? I just booted an x86 laptop and added program Hexchat. Now here I am. Pixel Live is cool thing to use! |
| 09:43.27 | bazhang | is that raspbian? |
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| 09:47.33 | wb7odyfred | https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/pixel-pc-mac/ Its Debian 8 with the PIXEL desktop environment. I believe |
| 09:48.33 | wb7odyfred | https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/introducing-pixel/ |
| 09:49.50 | wb7odyfred | bazhang, Debian 8 Live boot from a USB FLash Drive. Did I answer you question, is that raspbian? |
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| 09:50.55 | bazhang | ,v pixel |
| 09:50.56 | judd | No package named 'pixel' was found in amd64. |
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| 09:52.00 | at0m | wb7odyfred: see #raspbian if you're running that. |
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| 09:52.28 | wb7odyfred | Thank you for the pointer at0m |
| 09:52.41 | wb7odyfred | will open another chat window to raspbian. |
| 09:52.51 | at0m | work is being done do get native debian on rpi's, but for now, i install raspbian kernel then switch to debian repo's |
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| 10:10.17 | cyphix | Hello. When trying to upgrade my system with apt-get upgrade, I receive this message: Errors were encountered while processing:aufs-dkms E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1). What does it mean? How can I solve this? |
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| 10:20.32 | cyphix | (I might have missed your last messages) Here is a more useful error message: https://p.cyphix.org/view/d70ab394 |
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| 10:43.00 | [jasper] | hej guys, this is an output of lsof: java 1 root 126u IPv6 1057353 0t0 TCP *:1199 (LISTEN) |
| 10:43.14 | [jasper] | does that means this process listens to port 1199 on ANY address? |
| 10:43.53 | dutchfish | [jasper], yes, looks like it. |
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| 10:44.39 | dutchfish | [jasper], also do a `netstat -nla` |
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| 10:46.24 | [jasper] | dutchfish..doesn't seem I have netstat....to which package should this belong? I'm running a docker of debian |
| 10:46.38 | dutchfish | !netstat |
| 10:46.38 | dpkg | dutchfish netstat - Prints network connections, routing tables, interface statistics, masquerade connections, and multi-cast memberships. try netstat -pantu to also see which daemon serves which port |
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| 10:47.53 | GPenguin | , netstat |
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| 10:48.52 | dutchfish | [jasper], net-tools i believe is the package name. |
| 10:49.38 | dutchfish | ,net-tools |
| 10:49.53 | dutchfish | , net-tools |
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| 10:51.19 | dutchfish | [jasper], https://packages.debian.org/jessie/net-tools |
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| 10:56.39 | GNU\colossus | dutchfish, [jasper] - iproute2 has `ss` (short for somtehing like socket status), which is supposed to be netstat's modern replacement |
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| 10:59.02 | GPenguin | ah, cool |
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| 11:04.34 | dutchfish | GNU\colossus, or to filter out link locals. |
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| 11:06.46 | dutchfish | GNU\colossus, nm, got it, thanks again. |
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| 11:07.20 | GNU\colossus | yw :) |
| 11:07.32 | GNU\colossus | also, you were probably looking for ",v net-tools" earlier |
| 11:07.50 | dutchfish | GNU\colossus, ah yes, thanks. |
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| 11:08.24 | dutchfish | ,v net-tools |
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| 11:08.27 | judd | Package: net-tools on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.60-24.2; jessie: 1.60-26+b1; stretch: 1.60+git20161116.90da8a0-1; sid: 1.60+git20161116.90da8a0-1 |
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| 11:12.22 | GPenguin | strange, the bots do not respond to me |
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| 11:15.59 | jelly | GNU\colossus: read ircbots.debian.net for correct syntax |
| 11:16.02 | jelly | er, GPenguin ^^ |
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| 11:16.39 | GPenguin | hmmm, okay |
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| 11:35.41 | Jonte_P | hello |
| 11:35.59 | Jonte_P | i'm using kali. |
| 11:36.06 | Jonte_P | it is debian based |
| 11:36.19 | Jonte_P | i have a question |
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| 11:37.15 | ompaul | you answered it yourself :-) |
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| 11:40.39 | notafile | ompaul: sometimes stereotypes exist for a reason :D |
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| 11:40.48 | Jonte_P | hello |
| 11:41.08 | tx | Jonte_P: go and ask on the kali channel |
| 11:41.17 | Jonte_P | ok |
| 11:41.20 | Jonte_P | bye |
| 11:41.23 | tx | cya! |
| 11:41.24 | tx | ;) |
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| 11:42.06 | Jonte_P | i am not invited to the kali channel |
| 11:42.39 | SynrG | !kali |
| 11:42.39 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
| 11:42.40 | Jonte_P | hello |
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| 11:42.54 | Jonte_P | ok thx |
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| 11:44.06 | Jonte_P | !kali |
| 11:44.06 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
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| 11:45.06 | notafile | I like the subtle jab in the kali text |
| 11:47.29 | SynrG | jab? i don't read anything into it. (and our factoids should aim to be informative, not inflammatory or elitist) |
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| 11:48.14 | themill | !bt5 magic |
| 11:48.15 | dpkg | BackTrack is just an operating system. It does not magically turn you into a hacker. It is also offtopic in #debian. Please fulfill your fantasies in #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 11:48.26 | tx | yep |
| 11:48.31 | tx | "not inflammatory" right there. |
| 11:48.46 | tx | Pretty good though, keep it. |
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| 11:50.25 | notafile | SynrG: asking kali users to read esr's hacking howto counts as a subtle jab in my book |
| 11:51.56 | notafile | tx: kinda needs to be renamed into !kali magic |
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| 11:54.14 | SynrG | notafile: ok. very subtle, yes. but it is also genuinely helpful. :) |
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| 11:55.29 | SynrG | also, moving this to -ot |
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| 12:10.49 | Jonte_P | hi i can't join the kali linux channel |
| 12:11.59 | mmp | Hi; I have a fairly freshly updated debian testing on btrfs; I just tried setting capabilities to some binaries, but all I get is: (binary) differs in [pe] |
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| 12:12.57 | mmp | looks like I can not set security.capabilities extended attribute of files, although xattrs in general work (e.g. I was able to set a custom attribute) |
| 12:13.25 | Jonte_P | i can't join the kali linux channel. i am using kali linux |
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| 12:26.04 | mmp | okay, update; apparently I can set certain capabilities to files, but I can not set cap_net_bind_service=+ep |
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| 12:26.49 | Commander_ | Howdy everyone :) |
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| 12:27.55 | Commander_ | ...Wait a minute, this isn't debian-next. Doh! |
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| 12:29.18 | Olufunmilayo | Does anyone know why the amount of packages reported would vary between the running of apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade in the time span of 2 minutes. On first run it reported a rather large amount of packages along with a linux header upgrade, it did not report any verification or signature issues. After hitting no, and re running the command again it only listed one package which I knew had to be updated. During the run of the |
| 12:29.18 | Olufunmilayo | first command I was connected to a VPN, I disconnected and reconnected to the same VPN (static ip) and re ran the command |
| 12:29.45 | Olufunmilayo | at no time during any of this did any of the packages complain of bad sig or verification |
| 12:29.57 | Olufunmilayo | just wondering if anyone has ever seen something like this |
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| 12:33.19 | SynrGy | Olufunmilayo: a large decrease in packages to upgrade probably indicates a failure in 'apt-get update' |
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| 12:34.02 | SynrGy | but there should've been messages associated with that failure |
| 12:34.14 | Olufunmilayo | deb 8 with kernel 3.1.16.0-4 (if that matters) but I patched the apt cve and dirtycow myself |
| 12:34.35 | Olufunmilayo | synrGy no warnings where displayed |
| 12:34.36 | Olufunmilayo | however |
| 12:34.44 | Olufunmilayo | the first time running apt-get update |
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| 12:34.56 | Olufunmilayo | it did fail to connect to repo's |
| 12:35.18 | Olufunmilayo | second time it did connect and displayed a large amount of packages |
| 12:35.32 | SynrGy | failure to update screws up apt's index |
| 12:35.41 | Olufunmilayo | and third time, after killing the vpn tunnel and restarting it, only 1 package |
| 12:37.06 | SynrGy | do you have an apt caching proxy? |
| 12:37.21 | Olufunmilayo | SynrGy not that I am aware of no |
| 12:37.21 | SynrGy | apt-cacher-ng, approx, etc.? |
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| 12:38.21 | Commander_ | I seem to be having difficulty connecting to #debian-next, it keeps re-directing me back here to #debian. Anyone else encountering this? |
| 12:38.32 | SynrGy | i can't account for your results, then. if there's nothing wrong with apt locally, i'd guess the mirror (or proxy) was broken |
| 12:38.39 | SynrGy | Commander_: wrong network |
| 12:38.50 | SynrGy | Commander_: #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net |
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| 12:39.05 | gebruiker | !stretch |
| 12:39.05 | dpkg | The release following Debian 8 "Jessie" is codenamed "Stretch" (the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3) and will be Debian 9: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/11/msg00005.html. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch |
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| 12:39.32 | SynrGy | Commander_: and you were told this *while* on OFTC, so nobody there thought you'd try to join it on Freenode and therefore didn't qualify it with the network name |
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| 12:40.16 | Olufunmilayo | SynrGy ok, I was wondering if it could have been a possible man in the middle but the none complaint about sigs or verification and the repo being a official one I was rather confused |
| 12:40.16 | live | hi, is cinnamon de properly integrated with Debian stable? |
| 12:40.48 | Commander_ | Ahh, sorry about that. This is my first time using an IRC. I figured they were all the same |
| 12:41.04 | Olufunmilayo | SynrGy and I can not replicate what happened so that even adds more of a "WTF" to this WTF moment |
| 12:41.06 | gebruiker | live it is old, check BTS and perhaps backports to get a better idea |
| 12:41.32 | live | is Cinnamon old? |
| 12:41.40 | gebruiker | the version used is |
| 12:41.57 | live | then, which is the DE with the latest and most up to date features? |
| 12:42.09 | SynrGy | Olufunmilayo: i'd say there's a strong chance with all the network weirdness going on, it was a local issue, not any sort of attack |
| 12:42.18 | live | btw, which DE is most used or preferred by users? |
| 12:42.26 | SynrGy | Olufunmilayo: but as you say, without reproducibility, hard to know for certain. |
| 12:42.40 | gebruiker | dpkg tell live about debian stable |
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| 12:43.10 | SynrGy | live: you won't get useful answers to that question here. |
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| 12:43.23 | SynrGy | live: gnome is default, so probably most people use that. |
| 12:43.27 | Olufunmilayo | SynrGy can I ask what you mean about network weirdness? |
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| 12:43.36 | moldy | hi |
| 12:43.42 | SynrGy | Olufunmilayo: vpn up and down during attempts |
| 12:43.51 | gebruiker | live there are some graphs and stats online, most used DE are gnome, kde, and xfce |
| 12:43.52 | live | which is more beginner friendly? |
| 12:43.55 | live | among all the DEs? |
| 12:43.57 | moldy | can anyone confirm that tftpd-hpa doesn't work ootb? i only get timeouts when trying to fetch a file from a tftpd on localhost |
| 12:44.02 | moldy | (on jessie) |
| 12:44.46 | gebruiker | live: if you are comming from windows you can chose cinnamon, kde or gnome. Xfce is good too for low end machines |
| 12:44.53 | SynrGy | live: just go with the default, gnome, unless you have specific needs/preferences that would steer you towards something else |
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| 12:45.04 | live | ok |
| 12:45.12 | live | mate? |
| 12:45.18 | SynrGy | live: you can always change later. |
| 12:45.25 | SynrGy | you can even have multiple desktops installed at once. |
| 12:45.27 | gebruiker | the debian install runs taskel by default, through which you can chose a DE |
| 12:45.32 | SynrGy | pick one. try it. see if you like it. |
| 12:45.46 | live | ok |
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| 12:46.24 | Olufunmilayo | SynrGy ah, ok. I did have the tunnel set to report back at level 8 and I could not spot anything that looked close to a replay attack (or at least nothing was reported as such). But ok, I guess it is a deb "WTF" moment. Also I thought maybe, just maybe, it could have been a DNS issue on my side but I checked what the servers I have in my resolv.conf and they where stable an fine |
| 12:46.29 | SynrGy | gnome seems to be fairly feature complete. cinnamon is newer and less mature. mate is unspeakably ugly (imho) ;) ... |
| 12:46.55 | SynrGy | xfce is a fine choice for systems with really ancient GPUs ... |
| 12:47.19 | SynrGy | personally, i'm using cinnamon instead of gnome despite its lack of maturity and am happy enough with it. |
| 12:47.51 | SynrGy | (but i'm not a "beginner" so ... don't take what i use as indicative of what you should) |
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| 12:48.26 | live | xfce? |
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| 12:49.24 | live | why is the recommended system requirements for debian stable with each of the DEs is not given on debian.org? |
| 12:49.34 | gebruiker | live: https://wiki.debian.org/DesktopResolutionDraft ... kde is the most used and thus popular DE according to the most recent research I found |
| 12:49.38 | moldy | hmmm, probably ipv6-related |
| 12:49.41 | gebruiker | ( fyi ) |
| 12:50.23 | moldy | it works if i connect to 127.0.0.1 instead of localhost |
| 12:50.34 | SynrGy | live: i think the debian installation guide has a section on system requirements. not sure about "for each of the DE's". |
| 12:50.45 | live | gebruiker, thanks a lot. |
| 12:50.46 | live | ok |
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| 12:51.32 | live | I am a linux beginner. And am buying a new laptop this week. Wanted to try Debian. |
| 12:52.36 | gebruiker | use virtualbox to try out what you like and to get fammiliar with debian. In a couple of months Stretch will be released I suspect |
| 12:52.40 | live | why kde is more preferred than others? any specific reasons? |
| 12:52.57 | live | what is stretch? |
| 12:52.58 | SynrGy | live: additionally, any modern system can run any desktop, so i wouldn't worry about that. |
| 12:53.10 | live | ok |
| 12:53.24 | SynrGy | live: i don't know where you got "kde is more preferred" from. by whom? not by me. |
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| 12:54.12 | live | ok. I am a beginner. I need a more intuitive and user freindly DE as well as OS> |
| 12:54.48 | SynrGy | live: as i said, just use the default, gnome. it's what most people use, and therefore is assumed when people are giving you help. |
| 12:55.23 | gebruiker | There is a research from 2015 stating this, from this point on there is was no other research indicating what DE was prefered. This not to mention linus cricsism of gnome lol |
| 12:55.27 | SynrGy | but if you're curious about any of the others, feel free to try them instead. and don't worry about that initial desktop choice. you can change it later. |
| 12:55.29 | live | ok. When will Stretch be available? |
| 12:55.39 | SynrGy | when it's ready ;) |
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| 12:56.10 | live | ok. When it will be ready? |
| 12:56.20 | SynrGy | we cannot predict that with enough accuracy to help you in your purchase/install schedulingn |
| 12:56.23 | SynrGy | sorry |
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| 12:56.40 | Dagger | bear in mind gnome3 suffers from "treat the user like an idiot" syndrome, which some people find offputting |
| 12:57.02 | SynrGy | you could say the same of windows 10, or Mac OS/X ... |
| 12:57.07 | live | ok |
| 12:57.09 | SynrGy | so it's just following the prevailing trend |
| 12:57.16 | gebruiker | kde plasma has been doing a real good |
| 12:57.33 | Dagger | SynrG: aye, which is why it might be relevant to somebody who is avoiding Win10 because of that |
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| 12:58.00 | SynrGy | true. not all "beginners" come from the same place. so it's hard to make a recommendation without knowing the person |
| 12:58.10 | live | ok. Will try Debian stable with KDE, then. |
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| 12:59.04 | Commander_ | To be honest Live, if you've never used Linux before, you may want to try a distro aimed more at newbie's first. |
| 12:59.44 | Commander_ | Something like MX Linux, or Ubuntu MATE. |
| 12:59.49 | SynrGy | Commander_: i wouldn't |
| 12:59.54 | live | also, I came across this Debian testing based distro called Sparky Linux. Has anybody here used that? |
| 13:00.00 | SynrGy | this is #debian and we recommend and support Debian here |
| 13:00.23 | SynrGy | discussion of the relative merits of other distros is off-topic |
| 13:00.40 | Commander_ | Indeed, though I get the feeling Debian may frustrate him if it's his first taste of Linux. |
| 13:00.41 | live | I came here, because Debian is the mother of most of the linux distros. |
| 13:00.43 | SynrGy | Debian is fine for beginners |
| 13:00.46 | tx | What would describing a distro as "okay" be deemed sa. |
| 13:00.47 | tx | as* |
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| 13:01.34 | SynrGy | Commander_: live came here, so is at least clueful enough to seek community help. that's a good indication of readiness to use debian. |
| 13:01.44 | SynrGy | Debian's community help is first class. |
| 13:02.11 | SynrGy | i can't say the same for other distros (especially lacking any real experience trying to get support for them) |
| 13:02.14 | live | yes. I agree. It has a very vibrant community. |
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| 13:11.04 | live | I have read somewhere that if in Debian, you want newer versions of packages, you have to try Debian testing. |
| 13:11.21 | live | guys, is dpkg a robot? |
| 13:11.36 | SynrGy | yes, dpkg is a bot |
| 13:11.44 | SynrGy | !dpkgbot |
| 13:11.45 | dpkg | Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also ask me about <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>. |
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| 13:12.14 | live | ok. |
| 13:12.20 | SynrGy | live: what you've read is inaccurate. absolutely don't use testing if you just want more up-to-date packages |
| 13:12.26 | SynrGy | !tell live about testing |
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| 13:12.42 | SynrGy | !tell live about jessie-backports |
| 13:12.51 | epsilon | live: there are few between, such as jessie-updates or backports |
| 13:13.20 | SynrGy | live: backports are for more recent packages (though not without its limitations) |
| 13:14.03 | SynrGy | also, the security team ensures you are kept updated on stable with latest patches for security issues, so you needn't worry about that. |
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| 13:14.59 | live | ok. thanks a lot. |
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| 13:41.39 | Tedd872 | Hi Folks. |
| 13:41.50 | Tedd872 | My Ricochet is not working. Always says Connection Pending with my contact. |
| 13:41.55 | Tedd872 | Is this because they need to be online at the same time? |
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| 13:44.06 | yvcj | dpkg |
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| 13:46.48 | yvcj | how can I switch between irssi chats in the console? Alt+arrows changes the console... |
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| 13:47.44 | Tedd872 | My Ricochet is not working. Always says Connection Pending with my contact. |
| 13:47.53 | Tedd872 | Is this because they need to be online at the same time? |
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| 13:48.56 | isydor | yvcj: ctrl+n or p |
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| 13:49.46 | yvcj | isydor: thanks |
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| 14:00.30 | stigat0r | I intelligently upgraded from jessie to stretch without enough disk space... which left my system in an inconsistent state... is there a way to minimize the problems to make the system work for a couple of days? |
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| 14:08.41 | dvs | stigat0r, did you try "apt-cache clear"? |
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| 14:09.33 | stigat0r | dvs: invalid operation |
| 14:10.19 | treehug88 | stigat0r can you clean up some disk space and complete the upgrade. After backing up of course |
| 14:10.23 | n4dir | i would give clean a try instead of clear ... |
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| 14:10.34 | dvs | stigat0r, sorry "apt-get clean" |
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| 14:11.24 | stigat0r | I have enough disk space already and the system finished full-upgrading |
| 14:12.50 | stigat0r | dvs,n4dir: ^^ and I am using aptitude |
| 14:13.57 | n4dir | apt-cache doesn't work with aptitude, or what is the point ? |
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| 14:15.21 | stigat0r | n4dir: I don't need to clean or something because I got enough disk space already |
| 14:16.04 | stigat0r | n4dir: (but aptitude also has a clean and autoclean option which I use sometimes) |
| 14:16.14 | n4dir | "system in an inconsisten state" i recall as a masage from the packagemanegement, but i don't recall well. When or where do you get it? |
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| 14:16.58 | n4dir | to put it different: what is the exact problem right now? |
| 14:17.30 | stigat0r | n4dir: I can't start an x session |
| 14:18.03 | stigat0r | n4dir: xinit: unable to connect to x server: Connection refused |
| 14:18.47 | stigat0r | n4dir: (I am using openbox) |
| 14:19.06 | n4dir | ah. whew. For the lulz i would delete/rename the file ~/.Xauthority or such (makes no sense it comes in the game, but can't hurt, i guess) |
| 14:19.51 | n4dir | did you try to create a test-user and startx as him? did you try to startx as root? |
| 14:20.11 | n4dir | are you sure all of xorg is still installed? |
| 14:20.28 | n4dir | apt-get has the option: apt-get check ; i don't know the according for aptitude |
| 14:20.47 | n4dir | just shooting ideas, not sure if i have a good idea. |
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| 14:22.04 | stigat0r | n4dir: renamed ~/.Xauthority , no difference; apt-get check ran for a second successfully; openbox and xserver-xorg-core and its deps are still installed |
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| 14:22.36 | n4dir | test-user has the same problem? |
| 14:23.05 | stigat0r | n4dir: yes |
| 14:23.12 | stigat0r | n4dir: just checked |
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| 14:23.30 | n4dir | to me it doesn't look as if it would relate to the failed upgrade, as now packages seem in a sane state, but i really lack the inside knowledge. |
| 14:24.02 | n4dir | i would try as root too, only to get the head into what might be the problem, but i guess i ran out of troubleshoot ideas. |
| 14:24.17 | stigat0r | n4dir: startx works for rooot |
| 14:24.52 | n4dir | damnit. I recall i had it like that, but sure can't recall how i solved it. Xauthority often worked for me, but you tried it already. |
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| 14:26.37 | n4dir | well: perhaps ask on server oftc channel #debian-next. Might be there is a general problem with startx these days |
| 14:27.06 | n4dir | oh, you do use systemd, didn't replace it, and are sure libsystemd0 or such is installed? |
| 14:27.25 | stigat0r | n4dir: when on jessie, I replaces systemd by sysvinit |
| 14:27.57 | n4dir | aha. I recall a problem like that. There even was a bug-report about it. I would investigate in that direction. |
| 14:27.58 | stigat0r | n4dir: I'm not sure whether the dist-upgrade changed that |
| 14:28.04 | n4dir | me neither |
| 14:28.41 | n4dir | make sure libsystemd0 is installed. (should only matter if you did pinnning, well, like said: what do i know ... ) |
| 14:28.53 | stigat0r | n4dir: it's annoying that I can only browse the web with my telephone (or console) |
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| 14:29.07 | n4dir | i guess so. No live CD around? |
| 14:29.22 | stigat0r | n4dir: libsystemd0 is installed |
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| 14:29.26 | stigat0r | n4dir: no live cd, no |
| 14:29.55 | n4dir | a pity that the bug-report is hard to find. My guess (!) is that is the problem |
| 14:30.24 | n4dir | systemd-shim or such is installed too? (yes, yes, the answer is probably yes again, all i do is shoot, don't be angry with me) |
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| 14:31.03 | n4dir | above you said all you want is use the systemd for a few hours. no idea if it will help, but replacing sysv with systemd is an option? |
| 14:31.05 | n4dir | for now ... |
| 14:31.19 | stigat0r | n4dir: systemd-shim is installed and I am thankful for your effort |
| 14:31.21 | n4dir | use the system for a few hours, not systemd, sorry, typ |
| 14:31.44 | stigat0r | n4dir: no, I sayd I want the system for a few days, not systemd for hours :) |
| 14:31.52 | stigat0r | n4dir: ok |
| 14:31.55 | n4dir | yeah, yeah, typo, sorry :-) |
| 14:33.04 | n4dir | snark side note: thats what you get when you are told "but you can replace systemd" ... oh my ... been there ... gave up |
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| 14:34.00 | Bluefoxicy | sunweaver isn't here. |
| 14:34.00 | stigat0r | n4dir: yes, they are telling that we have the "freedom" to use sysvinit if we want but in effect we are for short or long implicitly forced into using systemd... |
| 14:34.48 | Bluefoxicy | sigh I guess I Can just file a bug that nobody will ever look at. |
| 14:35.05 | Bluefoxicy | it's bugs@lists.debian.org right? |
| 14:35.09 | jelly | !reportbug |
| 14:35.10 | dpkg | reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting, or <reportbug MTA> |
| 14:35.12 | jelly | Bluefoxicy: ^^ |
| 14:35.16 | Bluefoxicy | thanks. |
| 14:35.33 | ikus060 | Any idea why I need 3 Disk to re-mount a mdraid level raid10. Two disk should be enought |
| 14:35.36 | stigat0r | n4dir: I have never used systemd for now and I don't think that the probability that X works then is high enough for me to use it now... |
| 14:36.06 | jelly | ikus060: but not any two |
| 14:36.27 | n4dir | for me it sure was the problem. there sure was a bug report bout startx failing. Oh, you could also try quickly to install a display-manager |
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| 14:36.41 | n4dir | i seem to recall the problem was only for startx. weird enough, huh? |
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| 14:37.32 | Caddy | Just joined ! what's the problem? something related to X server ? |
| 14:37.49 | stigat0r | Caddy: yes, it can only be started as root |
| 14:37.59 | stigat0r | Caddy: when started as normal user it says connection refused |
| 14:38.32 | Caddy | Tried escalating the privileges for the normal user? |
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| 14:39.14 | stigat0r | Caddy: isn't there a saner method? |
| 14:39.23 | TomTomTosch | is your user in the video group? |
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| 14:39.50 | stigat0r | TomTomTosch: yes |
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| 14:41.40 | Caddy | Is there a log or errors outputted besides the "connection refused" message? |
| 14:42.08 | stigat0r | Caddy: yes |
| 14:42.21 | Bluefoxicy | okay, don't know how that's going to go, but I imagine 1.1+somegit+dfsg+patches+maintainer -> 1.1+somenewergit+dfsg+patches+maintainer is a facepalm argument |
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| 14:42.33 | stigat0r | Caddy: Server terminated with error (1) |
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| 14:43.47 | Bluefoxicy | oh my god I'm dumb. |
| 14:43.57 | Bluefoxicy | notices the freerdp2 package off in another area of the sidebar |
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| 14:51.25 | ShreQueanmo | what is the best spot to change the PS1 prompt for all users on the system? |
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| 14:52.36 | stigat0r | Thanks for all your effort; I am now using xfce4 with lightdm |
| 14:53.06 | n4dir | lightdm works stigat0r ? jesus ... |
| 14:53.12 | dvs | ShreQueanmo, /etc/bash.bashrc |
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| 14:54.05 | stigat0r | n4dir: yes, works out of the box :-) |
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| 14:54.45 | stigat0r | n4dir: I just installed xfce4 lightdm task-xfce-desktop and rebooted |
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| 14:56.35 | careta | hey guys |
| 14:56.48 | n4dir | for the fun i would test if openbox works too, but i see no reason why it shouldn't. Long story short: glad you got it sorted (and even more as you avoid crapd too ... :-) ) |
| 14:56.58 | careta | is there a way to change the DPI dynamically? for example having two screens with different dpi? |
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| 14:58.36 | stigat0r | n4dir: no, startx still doesn't work and it seems to be an x problem |
| 14:58.52 | n4dir | nah, i meant start openbox with lightdm, not via startx. |
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| 14:59.13 | TheThuxy | \help |
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| 14:59.22 | n4dir | wondering why there ain't no bug report to be foun about it, but i am a lousy searchenginge-user ... |
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| 15:00.15 | heibol | I'm testing openbox with wayland |
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| 15:08.48 | teraflops | careta: two different monitors or laptop + external monitor? |
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| 15:10.33 | teraflops | careta: for the latter I'd go with custom udev rule that triggers a xrand script when it detects monitor hotplug |
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| 15:11.06 | teraflops | xrandr^ |
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| 15:18.57 | maziar | hi everyone my debian machine was not responding until hard reboot, which log should I check to find what was the reason ? |
| 15:21.44 | GrayThalos | maziar: You can check /var/log/messages, /var/log/syslog aditionally you use dmesg to check the logs when the kernel starts |
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| 15:46.11 | oaps | hello! |
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| 15:46.45 | oaps | when using lightdm, is it possible to configure lightdm-gtk-greeter to show the username instead of the real name in the user menu? |
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| 15:48.22 | kardborren | Hi, yesterday I submitted an RFP using reportbug, per instructions at https://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/. Still haven't received a tracking number in my email. Nor can I see it here: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=wnpp. I still have the output from reportbug in a term window, and there's no error there. Is this standard behaviour, that it takes so long to get a tracking number etc? |
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| 15:50.24 | oaps | kardborren: you should get an automatic acknowledgement of any reported issue within a couple of minutes, so no, that's not standard behaviour. |
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| 15:51.26 | kardborren | oaps: Ok. You got a recommendation for what to do? Is there a way to verify whether the DBTS actually got the report, as reportbug claimed? |
| 15:51.43 | oaps | kardborren: i'd just try again. |
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| 15:52.09 | oaps | and if it persists, report that on the relevant mailing list. |
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| 15:52.30 | kardborren | oaps: Would you happen to know if my report is saved locally somewhere? I spent quite some time on it to make it as good as possible. |
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| 15:54.09 | oaps | kardborren: don't know, sorry. i don't _think_ it does unless you explicitly ask it to save a draft. |
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| 15:55.01 | kardborren | oaps: Understood, thanks. By the way, care to make a guess on my current level of happiness? |
| 15:55.41 | oaps | -INT_MAX? |
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| 15:56.04 | kardborren | oaps: Right you are. Which doesn't reflect my thankfulness to you helping me. Cheers. |
| 15:56.46 | missmbob | kardborren: what's the package, btw? |
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| 15:57.48 | kardborren | missmbob: kitty - A modern, hackable, featureful, OpenGL based tiling terminal emulator (https://github.com/kovidgoyal/kitty) |
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| 15:58.58 | kardborren | oaps: Follow-up: Would you know if I can just create the report directly in my email app and send it to submit@bugs.debian.org? Seems so much better than going through reportbug disappointment again. |
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| 15:59.28 | kardborren | I am willing to give the RFP another chance. I will not try a third time. |
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| 16:00.26 | missmbob | kardborren: sure. https://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/#l2 |
| 16:01.29 | oaps | i think you can write the report in reportbug and have it save a correctly formatted email for you, but i'm not sure. |
| 16:01.50 | oaps | writing the pseudo-headers manually works too, of course. |
| 16:02.52 | kardborren | missmbob and oaps: Thanks, I'll do that instead. |
| 16:03.32 | kardborren | It's a shame really, I had made a couple of quite clever jokes in my RFP to woo the Debian Higher Powers. |
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| 16:03.53 | kardborren | Because obviously that's a universal currancy. :) |
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| 16:05.20 | missmbob | kardborren: you could email wnpp@debian.org and ask them what's going on, if it's lost, etc. |
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| 16:05.54 | kardborren | missmbob: Good one, I'll try that. |
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| 16:09.12 | hexnewbie | On Debian Jessie with systemd, with jabberd2 from backports, how do I prevent jabberd-router, jabberd-c2s and jabberd-sm from starting? |
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| 16:11.01 | netmk | hexnewbie: systemctl disable <service> |
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| 16:11.59 | hexnewbie | They are all (including jabberd2.service and jabberd.service) disabled, but still start when I start jabberd-s2s |
| 16:12.22 | hexnewbie | I've edited /etc/default/jabberd2 for them to not start, but that's taken into account only by the init script, apparently |
| 16:13.33 | hexnewbie | Is there like a syntax to remove depdendency, e.g. Requires-=jabberd-router.service? |
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| 16:16.34 | netmk | well, from what I can see in the package, those other services aren't separate dependent packages |
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| 16:20.19 | netmk | are you sure those services aren't needed? |
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| 16:21.02 | netmk | from a quick look at https://github.com/jabberd2/jabberd2/wiki/InstallGuide-Jabberd2Architecture#132_Jabberd_2_Component_Architecture it seems part of the standard architecture of jabberd2 |
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| 16:21.08 | teraflops | hexnewbie: if Requires= is already there that's why they are started |
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| 16:21.51 | nopnopnop | win 2 |
| 16:21.54 | hexnewbie | netmk: Yeah, but the router is running on another machine in my case. :) |
| 16:21.59 | netmk | ah ok |
| 16:22.39 | hexnewbie | teraflops: Yeah, I managed to find the place in the systemd docs that says if the Requires= are there, they cannot be removed. :/ So I guess that left me with the less pleasant solution of using my own service file. :) |
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| 16:24.48 | hexnewbie | I guess it's a problem that features (options from /etc/default/...) are missing when using systemd, but I'm not sure that's worth a bug for a package that's only in sid/backports, and from what I gather won't ever make it into stable :) |
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| 16:29.02 | netmk | hexnewbie: couldn't you just edit the unit file for jabberd2 and remove it? |
| 16:30.00 | hexnewbie | netmk: From reading now, I think the suggested way to deal with it is to copy it and edit the copy (which is what I did for the time being). |
| 16:30.48 | hexnewbie | Which won't work if ExecStart= changes in a new package version, but eh, that's not a probable or major issue I guess. |
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| 16:31.11 | teraflops | hexnewbie: if they are missed, put your options in the .service file or source them from there |
| 16:31.45 | teraflops | hexnewbie: then put your services files in /etc son they dont get smashed eventually with future updates |
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| 16:31.53 | teraflops | s/son/so |
| 16:32.51 | teraflops | from there I mean /etc/default if youre comfortable with it |
| 16:33.21 | hexnewbie | Thanks for the suggestions. I did âsystemd cat jabberd-s2s > /etc/systemd/system/jabberd-s2s.serviceâ and edited that. |
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| 16:33.29 | teraflops | yeah |
| 16:34.23 | hexnewbie | was more used to partially overriding them in xx.service.d/stuff.conf |
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| 16:44.07 | KOLANICH | Hi all! |
| 16:44.25 | KOLANICH | What shoul I do to send a pull request |
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| 16:44.51 | KOLANICH | *should |
| 16:45.46 | GPenguin | KOLANICH: what pull? where? |
| 16:46.08 | KOLANICH | GPenguin: I wanna send a PR to python-apt |
| 16:46.30 | KOLANICH | but there is no githib/gitlab/trac repo |
| 16:46.49 | GPenguin | KOLANICH: i am not 100% sure but i would create a bug report and attach the patch there |
| 16:46.53 | WildPenguin | is there any way I can use android apps in Debian? |
| 16:47.38 | oaps | WildPenguin: the easiest way is probably to run android in a vm, though i've never tried it. |
| 16:47.40 | KOLANICH | GPenguin: understood |
| 16:47.54 | KOLANICH | GPenguin: thank you :( |
| 16:48.03 | WildPenguin | ok. What is this vm? |
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| 16:48.18 | oaps | a virtual machine. look at qemu for example. |
| 16:48.28 | WildPenguin | ok. |
| 16:49.24 | towo` | i would use genymotion, since it is the fastest solution and provides arm-support and hardware 3d |
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| 16:49.56 | GPenguin | WildPenguin: you could also look at solutions like genimotion |
| 16:50.10 | GPenguin | genymotion even |
| 16:50.39 | GPenguin | blushes as he sees his failures and disappears |
| 16:50.57 | WildPenguin | ok. I am searching for it. |
| 16:51.01 | ompaul | Once you know you have corrections to make - that works. |
| 16:51.17 | ompaul | Failing to accept that you might be wrong is a greater failure. |
| 16:51.18 | WildPenguin | I am a beginner in Linux. |
| 16:51.23 | careta | teraflops, but changing the dpi in xrandr doesn't make any difference |
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| 16:51.29 | ompaul | WildPenguin: that was GPenguin |
| 16:51.36 | careta | teraflops, don't I need to restart x to change the DPI? |
| 16:51.57 | ompaul | WildPenguin: and that applies across all endevours in life. :-) |
| 16:52.40 | WildPenguin | ompaul, what? |
| 16:52.42 | missmbob | WildPenguin: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/arc-welder/emfinbmielocnlhgmfkkmkngdoccbadn |
| 16:53.42 | WildPenguin | But, chrome can't be installed in Linux. Or can it be? |
| 16:53.55 | missmbob | of course it can |
| 16:53.56 | ompaul | WildPenguin: I said accepting mistakes and learning from them is the best way to progress in life. :-) I'm older than the mountains they say, I'm not sure about that. :-) |
| 16:54.20 | teraflops | careta: hmm xrandr has a --dpi option, never tried though |
| 16:54.23 | WildPenguin | ompaul, true. |
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| 16:55.32 | careta | teraflops, yeah it doesn't work... from what I've read so far it seems changing DPI on the fly for each monitor is impossible on openbox, not sure what gnome or kde are doing |
| 16:55.37 | careta | if they do it at all |
| 16:56.06 | teraflops | careta: gnome has thingy iirc |
| 16:56.20 | teraflops | sorry for being that vague |
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| 16:56.37 | careta | it's probably in the window manager |
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| 17:23.19 | chabibi | hi |
| 17:23.26 | chabibi | why isn't gitlab packaged in debian? |
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| 17:25.36 | TomTomTosch | it is, just not in stable yet. |
| 17:25.39 | TomTomTosch | ,v gitlab |
| 17:25.40 | judd | Package: gitlab on amd64 -- stretch: 8.10.5+dfsg-3; stretch: 8.13.6+dfsg2-2; sid: 8.13.6+dfsg2-2 |
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| 17:25.52 | TomTomTosch | ,checkbackport gitlab |
| 17:25.53 | judd | Backporting package gitlab in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
| 17:26.11 | TomTomTosch | !tell chabibi about ssb |
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| 17:26.29 | TomTomTosch | chabibi: you can try backporting it yourself. |
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| 17:39.53 | chabibi | TomTomTosch: I don't find it on sid |
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| 17:46.24 | TomTomTosch | !debian-next |
| 17:46.25 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 17:46.28 | TomTomTosch | chabibi: ^ |
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| 17:48.36 | binaryplease | Hi just installed debian server on my odroid, but ping is not working as normal user. ping: icmp open socket: Operation not permitted |
| 17:48.42 | binaryplease | it works fine as root |
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| 17:56.28 | teraflops | binaryplease: you installed debian? I meant real debian? |
| 17:56.38 | teraflops | mean* |
| 17:57.14 | binaryplease | teraflops: the debian for odroid |
| 17:57.33 | binaryplease | teraflops: this one http://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?f=96&t=17542 |
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| 17:59.58 | nikitasius | Hi folks! KVM - hardware virtualization, 1 vCore = 1 Core. OpenVZ - virtual, i.e. 1 Core = 8vCore and openvz admin can have access into ANY VM as root. But what is OpenStock, compared with KVM and OpenVZ? |
| 18:01.09 | teraflops | binaryplease: go ask him why ping is not setuid root |
| 18:01.26 | teraflops | I think⦠|
| 18:02.08 | teraflops | binaryplease: or fix it yourself |
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| 18:03.13 | rozie | or take a look on https://sturmflut.github.io/linux/ubuntu/2015/01/17/unprivileged-icmp-sockets-on-linux/ |
| 18:03.43 | ikus060 | nikitasius: You question is not very clear. May you rephrase ? |
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| 18:07.49 | jelly | binaryplease: sounds like your installation image is badly made. How exactly did you install? |
| 18:08.03 | heibol | In all my device I always have ignored the ping. |
| 18:08.09 | jelly | binaryplease: and what does "getcap /bin/ping" say? |
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| 18:08.41 | binaryplease | jelly: teraflops Yes, I had other issues with the image. I'm just going to get another one and install from scratch |
| 18:08.52 | jelly | binaryplease: and also "dpkg -S /bin/ping" |
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| 18:10.08 | jelly | binaryplease: tell the author of the image their filesystem image likely lost extended attributes for linux capabilities |
| 18:10.33 | jelly | this can be fixed easily post-install |
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| 18:11.22 | nikitasius | ikus060: hi, nothing to rephrase. So.. finally googled it better and openstock it's a "big box" where you can create vms as kvm or openvz or xen or any others. |
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| 18:12.07 | Pavr | sure you don't mean openstack? |
| 18:12.21 | ikus060 | nikitasius: When you are make reference to openstock. Do you mean OpenStack ? |
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| 18:14.26 | teraflops | binaryplease: just reintall ping or fix the permissions. but as I read you that image is a bit ewww |
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| 18:15.06 | binaryplease | teraflops: Yeah no point in keeping fighting symptoms. I want to start over clean. But thanks for your help! |
| 18:15.13 | teraflops | binaryplease: np |
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| 18:20.31 | heibol | test |
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| 18:35.01 | feliks | are these kernel parameters unique to arch or are they available in debian as well? |
| 18:35.04 | feliks | cryptdevice cryptkey (see for comparison: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Dm-crypt/System_configuration#Using_encrypt_hook ) |
| 18:35.06 | feliks | or: what is the debian way of using grub to mount a partition with a key file rather than asking for a password? |
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| 18:52.58 | jelly | dpkg, tell wildpenguin about firmware images |
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| 19:19.06 | TurBoss | Hi |
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| 19:19.38 | TurBoss | yes i know |
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| 19:38.31 | TomTomTosch | !ru |
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| 19:46.16 | Sakarah | Hello, I have a problem with hibernation under Debian Jessie. My computer have a dual-boot with Windows and each time I use hibernation under Debian (with # echo "disk" > /sys/power/state), the next startup is done on Windows without Grub letting me choose the OS while it is naturally on Linux the boot should take place. The hibernation itself is working as expected as the next reboot on Linux properly restore my session. Do you have any idea why is |
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| 20:02.29 | Iridos | Sakarah, there's only one thing that is always booted first by default⦠and if that's windows for you, it's windows⦠|
| 20:02.59 | Iridos | and I don't see wha "naturally" the next boot should be linux⦠you might be hibernating so you can boot windows and then come back to where you were before you had to switch |
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| 20:11.49 | gitgud | is there a proper way for server A to check for the availability fo server B throughout a whole month? |
| 20:11.56 | gitgud | like i want it to check and list ALL downtimes to a file |
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| 20:15.16 | GPenguin | gitgud: kind of like high availability concepts plain and simple? |
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| 20:15.35 | teraflops | gitgud: maybe smokeping |
| 20:15.46 | awal1 | Any nice workaround for make "terminator" as a drop-down terminal, guake/tilda/yeahconsole style? |
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| 20:17.21 | GPenguin | a ping is not enough cause it needs to handle situations where it is down itself, no? |
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| 20:20.26 | teraflops | smokeping is not just ping |
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| 20:21.50 | Sakarah | Iridos: I don't understand. If there is only one OS that can be "fastbooted" without getting through the Grub selection why would hibernation set the next boot to use that fastboot process ? |
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| 20:22.48 | Sakarah | The problem is that I am not given the choixe of the OS on the next boot |
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| 20:24.21 | Iridos | that's weird⦠I always get the choice and I pretty much always hibernate |
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| 20:26.09 | teraflops | Sakarah: windows 8/10? |
| 20:26.16 | Sakarah | No just 7 |
| 20:27.29 | teraflops | ah nvm |
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| 20:35.00 | dontknow | it is being suggested you should stop fast boot in windows 8 - 10 if you have dual boot |
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| 22:29.25 | okee | Can someone help me boot a system that was tarred over from a failing hard drive? on my screen I only see âBoot from CD/DVDâ, and the boot doesnât continue. I have a big mess on my hands. |
| 22:29.47 | okee | I bought a portable 1TB SSD for backup, so it might be a good idea to do something with that. |
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| 22:33.28 | blastwave | my screen resolution on stretch is wrong. Not sure how to change it and perhaps I need an Xorg.conf file. The current /var/log/Xorg.0.log file shows the correct monitor detected and valid modes but I can not set the resolution to 1680x1050. Any ideas ? |
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| 22:34.47 | Knorrie | whoa, was paste.debian.net just updated to show different kind of links for plain text etc? |
| 22:35.28 | blastwave | scratches head ... goes to look at pastebin |
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| 22:39.08 | Knorrie | hm, no, for hidden post it's different |
| 22:39.22 | Knorrie | non-hidden still has the Show as text | Download | Without linenumbers | Paste new | Paste as new |
| 22:39.33 | blastwave | looks fine to me : http://paste.debian.net/plain/907787 |
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| 22:39.51 | blastwave | meanwhile back to my resolution problem on my primary monitor |
| 22:39.59 | Knorrie | click hidden, then it's different, there's a add comment box suddenly |
| 22:40.14 | blastwave | Knorrie: not exatly a world stoppage event eh ? |
| 22:40.25 | Knorrie | no not at all |
| 22:41.28 | blastwave | hrmm .. I wonder if there is an irc chan for Xorg stuff ... |
| 22:41.57 | blastwave | yes there is https://www.x.org/wiki/XorgIRC/ |
| 22:42.15 | blastwave | okay .. I need to wander over there and see if I can sort out my monitor resolution .. |
| 22:42.21 | blastwave | runs off |
| 22:42.25 | Knorrie | o/ |
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| 22:43.03 | netmk | okee: might be a good a idea to image that drive somewhere and recover anything you need from the image file |
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| 22:44.54 | netmk | you can use photorec on the image file after, but it's a bit shitty because it doesn't keep the filenames intact |
| 22:45.57 | netmk | so.. use 'ddrescue' to image the drive to a file, and play around with the image file from whichever software you have |
| 22:46.35 | netmk | good luck ;) |
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| 22:47.55 | okee | netmk> I bought a 1tb portable backup drive, and I am going to attempt to follow your suggestions |
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| 23:24.45 | toruvinn | interesting. anyone on jess? does 'dumpe2fs -h' (yes, no device given) segfault for you too? does for me - dumpe2fs 1.42.12 (29-Aug-2014) |
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