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| 00:42.18 | Plushwolf | Does Debian have drivers for Intel Ethernet I219V ? |
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| 00:44.36 | abrotman | do yo uhave the PCI ID? |
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| 00:47.05 | echosystm | hi guys |
| 00:47.28 | echosystm | half my traffic goes over a vpn and the other half just goes through the normal wan interface |
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| 00:47.57 | echosystm | i want to ensure ingress traffic through the VPN never takes up more than 75% of the bandwidth |
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| 00:48.13 | echosystm | or alternatively, normal traffic takes a higher priority to vpn traffic |
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| 00:48.35 | echosystm | my vpn currently uses UDP, but i can make it use TCP instead if needed |
| 00:48.44 | echosystm | is this possible somehow? if so, what's the best way? |
| 00:49.13 | bazhang | try ##networking echosystm |
| 00:49.21 | echosystm | ok thanks |
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| 00:54.32 | green_tea | hi does anyone here know if it's possible to reconstruct a corrupted .7z on a fat32 thumb stick? |
| 00:54.53 | johnkeates | depends on the damage |
| 00:54.59 | johnkeates | if 99% of the file is gone, then nope |
| 00:55.14 | green_tea | I think it's a small portion |
| 00:55.32 | johnkeates | so maybe 77%? |
| 00:56.12 | green_tea | how can I see I have it here in my comp |
| 00:56.26 | johnkeates | you open it in a hex editor and look for FF's and 00's |
| 00:57.03 | green_tea | Error splicing file: Input/output error |
| 00:57.04 | johnkeates | unless the file isn't damaged, but has complete missing parts |
| 00:57.09 | johnkeates | ah |
| 00:57.11 | johnkeates | so the USB drive is dead |
| 00:57.21 | green_tea | it still works though |
| 00:57.28 | johnkeates | apparently it doesn't |
| 00:57.34 | johnkeates | either your computer is lying, or you are |
| 00:57.36 | johnkeates | :p |
| 00:58.01 | green_tea | 88.5 mb of the data.7z transfers of the 92.4 |
| 00:58.18 | green_tea | and I used to to transfer photos after too |
| 00:58.28 | green_tea | and it's unusable |
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| 01:02.09 | green_tea | ok |
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| 01:32.33 | green_tea | hi again, does anyone here know how to enable Aide? |
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| 01:34.52 | missmbob | sudo apt install aide |
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| 01:35.46 | green_tea | sudo: apt: command not found |
| 01:35.55 | green_tea | I'm running debian-mate btw |
| 01:36.07 | missmbob | then use apt-get instead. |
| 01:36.38 | green_tea | E: Invalid operation aide |
| 01:36.53 | missmbob | install aide. not just aide |
| 01:37.05 | green_tea | I have from the synaptic package manager |
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| 01:47.42 | jscoder | I'm trying to install debian amd64 on this box but the dvd rom is broken so I booted from another debian install on a USB drive and am trying to do a debootstrap/chroot install and I'm having issues because this install is i386 arch and is unable to run the apps I'm installing into the target |
| 01:48.06 | jscoder | how can I at least get the internal hdd bootable with the amd64 install so I can proceed? |
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| 01:49.08 | jscoder | I can't chroot to it because bash is 64bit and the host is 32bit |
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| 01:50.13 | missmbob | jscoder: why dont you copy the amd64 netinst image iso to the usb flash drive like everyone else does? |
| 01:51.08 | jscoder | missmbob: because I don't have a drive that doesnt already have a full os installed to it. my thumbdrive is not running live, its a fully installed system with data on it |
| 01:51.41 | awal1 | green_tea: which exact command are you typing ? |
| 01:51.51 | jscoder | if I absolutely have to get another drive thats what I'll have to do, or setup pxe boot or some other rube method.. but I was first trying to find out if I can somehow do it from here |
| 01:52.43 | jscoder | there is nothing I'm aware of that I can do from this point running this 32bit debian on the USB hdd to at least get the internal hdd bootable with amd64 |
| 01:53.12 | awal1 | oh, forget it. I think you're running kali linux, if my memory is good :P |
| 01:53.13 | jscoder | short of putting this usb hdd on another computer and setting up a tftp server and booting this box over pxe |
| 01:53.51 | green_tea | awal1 when I type Aide it says Couldn't open file /var/lib/aide/please-dont-call-aide-without-parameters/aide.db for reading |
| 01:54.16 | awal1 | green_tea: kali? |
| 01:54.23 | green_tea | no debian-mate |
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| 01:54.46 | green_tea | I know what kali is though but I'd be in a kali room then |
| 01:55.35 | jscoder | if the damn DVD rom wasn't broke I could just install using my amd64 dvd, but its a damn small form factor box with a laptop style dvd rom drive I dont have a spare for and I can't use my laptop to install because it neither supports amd64 nor sata to support the source or target media |
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| 01:56.49 | missmbob | green_tea: you need to create a database first. aidee --init |
| 01:56.49 | awal1 | green_tea, ok, I haven't tried that program; check it's manuals/docs. not a debian system related |
| 01:57.05 | jscoder | I guess I'll go make something to eat and try find another USB drive.. the netinst would probably fit on a very small device.. I may have an mp3 player or something that'll work :-P |
| 01:57.06 | Arcaire | "please-dont-call-aide-without-parameters" |
| 01:57.33 | missmbob | awal1: he hasn't tried/read either |
| 01:58.07 | themill | If only someone would write a /usr/share/doc/aide*/README.Debian.gz |
| 01:58.14 | missmbob | green_tea: you need to learn how to use the program. the --init was only a start. http://aide.sourceforge.net/stable/manual.html |
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| 01:58.25 | green_tea | thanks |
| 01:58.32 | awal1 | missmbob, seems , yeah |
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| 02:08.05 | n4dir | jscoder: probably something round the lines of this, 1.3) and 1.4) (i did it in the past, but don't recall well): https://debian-administration.org/article/356/Installing_apps_in_a_32-bit_chroot_in_AMD64_Debian_system |
| 02:08.31 | n4dir | there it is the other way around, but i guess it is similar (guess or hope) |
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| 02:08.57 | Guest9236 | hey |
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| 02:10.08 | jscoder | n4dir: probably not because amd64 will run i386 but not the other way around. I found a thumbdrive with only like 200mb of data on it, I'm just gonna back it up to a zip file and put an installer on it thats amd64 I guess. Thanks anyway. |
| 02:10.46 | n4dir | like said: pretty sure i did it. but anyway. |
| 02:11.54 | jscoder | hmm.. well I'd rather use D-I now that I have a way to do it.. its a bit of a pita trying to make sure you install everything you need doing it manually |
| 02:12.07 | n4dir | that for sure |
| 02:12.51 | missmbob | jscoder: do you need non-free firmware? |
| 02:13.21 | jscoder | missmbob: doubt it, this is one of those dell optiplex desktops its all intel by the look of it |
| 02:13.46 | jscoder | little pizzabox sized industrial lookin thing |
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| 02:14.05 | n4dir | real debian users install non-free firmware, wether they need it or not. |
| 02:14.42 | jscoder | haha.. thats ridiculous.. debian is all about being DFSG free |
| 02:14.42 | zykotick9 | n4dir: i couldn't disagree more... ymmv |
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| 02:15.52 | n4dir | go through the logs. has not much to do with mileage. |
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| 02:29.27 | melted_ | so, I'm in synaptic and there seems to be significantly less packages available, I know I probably need to add some repos (which I know how to do), but could use a point in the right direction |
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| 02:30.43 | melted_ | for instance, the only media player I seem to be able to find is vlc, the only game is flightgear |
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| 02:31.21 | melted_ | also I get some warning or error messages when I try to install xscreensaver or related pkgs |
| 02:31.43 | n4dir | ! sources.list |
| 02:31.43 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
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| 02:32.41 | n4dir | posting your actual sources.list won't hurt, if unsure or the above doesn't make it clear |
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| 02:37.43 | missmbob | paste your sources.list to paste.debian.net |
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| 02:38.22 | awal1 | ... |
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| 02:47.40 | melted_ | https://paste.debian.net/908180/ |
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| 02:49.10 | missmbob | melted_: that looks good. you might want to add contrib and non-free after main on all the lines |
| 02:49.40 | missmbob | melted_: and since you mentioned media earlier i use mpv (which debian has) |
| 02:49.57 | missmbob | ,v mpv |
| 02:49.57 | judd | Package: mpv on amd64 -- jessie: 0.6.2-2; sid: 0.23.0-1; stretch: 0.23.0-1; jessie-multimedia: 1:0.8.3-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 1:0.23.0-dmo2 |
| 02:50.40 | missmbob | i really wish dmo would just disappear |
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| 02:52.26 | melted_ | "Could not download all repository indexes" |
| 02:52.57 | missmbob | so pastebin a *complete* sources.list (looks like you cut off the end) |
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| 02:55.02 | melted_ | https://paste.debian.net/908181/ |
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| 02:57.20 | missmbob | this is a live system isnt it? |
| 02:57.30 | dvs | melted: The first four lines are wrong. The are missing the word "debian" DIRECTLY after the deb.debian.org/ (no space) |
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| 03:00.22 | melted_ | dvs, I tried that but then it gave me the error again |
| 03:00.38 | melted_ | missmbob, no, this is an installed system |
| 03:00.54 | n4dir | i am a big fan of copy and paste, try this: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList#Repository_URL |
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| 03:01.09 | dvs | dpkg, tell melted_ about jessie sources.list |
| 03:01.53 | n4dir | you will need to comment or remove your other entries, whatevery you prefer. then update (either apt-get update or aptitude whatever, probably update) |
| 03:02.09 | n4dir | and you probably don't need the src lines (if you need them you know it). |
| 03:02.16 | n4dir | sorry: deb-src |
| 03:07.50 | melted_ | got three failed to fetch errors |
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| 03:08.26 | dvs | melted_, erase the lines that dpkg did not tell you about. |
| 03:08.37 | missmbob | can you ping deb.debian.org? |
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| 03:09.54 | n4dir | pastebin the whole error including the command. |
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| 03:18.34 | melted_ | typing it by hand since I don't know how to export text from the terminal to the clipboard |
| 03:18.52 | missmbob | !pastebinit |
| 03:18.52 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" or configure pastebinit to use something other than pastebin.com. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
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| 03:25.53 | green_tea | hi |
| 03:26.07 | melted_ | the problem seemed to be that it couldn't find the URL with security.debian.org |
| 03:26.22 | melted_ | after disabling that one, things seem to be peachy |
| 03:26.50 | green_tea | I'm having a problem mounting an external usb drive: rror mounting: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1, |
| 03:26.50 | green_tea | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:26.50 | green_tea | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:26.50 | green_tea | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:27.24 | green_tea | having a problem mounting a usb hd |
| 03:27.31 | missmbob | melted_: that's important. make it be "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free" |
| 03:27.35 | missmbob | with no quotes |
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| 03:29.28 | melted_ | gives missmbob the thumbsup |
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| 03:32.28 | melted_ | thanks for yr help! |
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| 04:23.46 | nmschulte | Does anyone have a customized /etc/issue (prelogin message) to share? One Debian specific would be neat, but I'm curious to see regardless. |
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| 04:26.56 | OS-26584 | whois 26584 |
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| 05:13.57 | lafleurdubien | Two drives, each one with a containing a single LVM partition. The system they were in previously is no longer bootable. Both drives appear to be corrupted and I'm unable to successfully mount them on another Linux box. Is there any way to get the files from it?! |
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| 05:37.59 | kevlarman | lafleurdubien: if the drive is in the middle of failing then imaging it is probably the first thing you should do, then see what fsck has to say about it |
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| 06:10.29 | john_rambo | https://paste.ubuntu.com/23780227/ >>> Thats my /etc/grub.d/40_custom but I am still getting that error while running update-grub2 |
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| 06:12.00 | missmbob | rm /etc/grub.d/40_custom.save |
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| 06:13.11 | WildPenguin | yesterday, someone here posted a youtube link of a documentary on Adolf Hitler. That was really eye opening. |
| 06:13.33 | GPenguin | yeah, maybe. but its not topic here |
| 06:13.54 | WildPenguin | ok. |
| 06:14.27 | WildPenguin | Was really shocked to see, how a big lie has been put before our eyes. |
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| 06:14.47 | GPenguin | you just say okay with a full stop and go on about it. how rude |
| 06:15.05 | WildPenguin | What? |
| 06:15.41 | john_rambo | missmbob, Worked thanks ..... https://paste.ubuntu.com/23780236/ ...sda3 is my tiny core partiton I am trying to dual boot with debian ..WHich file should I modify and add what ? |
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| 06:16.52 | kevlarman | john_rambo: grub2 should be able to handle that automatically, just decide which one you want to stuff in the mbr and run the update script for that one |
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| 06:17.44 | john_rambo | kevlarman, I tried running update-grub2 but it didnt detect Tiny Core |
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| 06:19.04 | EnRobot | Hello, i have dual boot linux & windows but today linux parameters at grub missing including advanced for recovery. How to fix this problem? |
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| 06:22.12 | kevlarman | john_rambo: os-prober doesn't see it? |
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| 06:23.12 | john_rambo | kevlarman, os-prober is installed but when I run sudo update-grub2 it doesnt detect Tiny Core |
| 06:24.21 | WildPenguin | is that video on youtube banned? |
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| 06:26.03 | themill | WildPenguin: it's spam and not welcome in #debian |
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| 06:27.31 | WildPenguin | ok |
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| 06:42.10 | dionysus69 | do I need to worry about this? https://01.org/linuxgraphics/ or is it automatically included in debian? |
| 06:42.16 | dionysus69 | I mean the latest intel driver |
| 06:42.39 | dionysus69 | atm it shows Intel® HD Graphics 5500 (Broadwell GT2) in details |
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| 06:53.30 | neglesaks | good morning. it seems that clamAV is non-funtional when installed pr. default. I dont see any packages missing in SYnaptic. Any attemp at scanning gimes an immediage "no infections found": Number of signatures in database also shows as zero. any suggestions? |
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| 07:11.23 | WildPenguin | hello, how can I get Debian OS with all the needed packages installed on a pendrive so that I can carry that with me, to be used without having to install the OS on the hard drive? |
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| 07:11.51 | WildPenguin | I want all the packages installed on the pendrive itself. |
| 07:12.03 | WildPenguin | is it possible? |
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| 07:13.56 | towo^work | install debian on usb like you would do to internal harddisc |
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| 07:20.19 | superman8 | how to fixed boot with no option to entering linux system? |
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| 07:32.51 | bolt | superman8: what do you mean? |
| 07:33.18 | bolt | superman8: if your system doesn't boot at all, you can boot from an external device, chroot to your installed system and fix whatever the issue is |
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| 07:33.53 | bolt | superman8: it's hard to be more specific when i don't know what you mean by "no option to entering linux system" |
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| 08:13.45 | superman8 | bolt: normaly when we start pc grub appear to choose os we need to login, for example by default linux is primary os, then windows is secondary, but now there is no linux at grub |
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| 08:17.52 | bolt | superman8: but you can boot windows? |
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| 08:18.42 | superman8 | yes |
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| 08:19.43 | bolt | superman8: well, use windows to create a bootable usb stick or a cd, with linux on it, boot from that, mount your linux installation and fix whatever is broken. running update-grub in a chroot might give some hints |
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| 08:20.54 | bolt | superman8: you could also muck about with grub to attempt to boot manually, but i'm assuming something is broken on your linux installation since it wasn't added to the menu. thus manual booting probably wouldn't work |
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| 08:25.26 | superman8 | actually the installation for debian is done, previously is working fine, until just now, when I reboot the system, debian option is not appear in grub, Windows is the only option |
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| 08:28.35 | bolt | superman8: you still have to do the same. something is broken. |
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| 08:29.01 | somiaj | superman8: so grub is still there, but only has windows option? Or it just boots into windows? Wonder if you removed your kernels. Anyways |
| 08:29.04 | somiaj | !fixmbr |
| 08:29.04 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 08:29.13 | somiaj | something like that, once you chroot into your system you may have to see what is going on |
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| 08:30.59 | hyper_ch | hi there, does anyone know by heart if current Jessie ISO still needs to apply LogJam settings or is that all integreated meanwhile? |
| 08:31.01 | superman8 | somiaj: yes, only has window option, grub is still there |
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| 08:33.48 | somiaj | superman8: you'll have to boot from a recovery/live system, chroot into your system and see what is going on. Sounds like no kernel packages were isntalled |
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| 08:35.20 | hyper_ch | ah, jessie still has openssl v 1.0.1 |
| 08:36.06 | somiaj | well jessie tries to avoid changing versions of packages as it is frozen, so that is to be exepcted. |
| 08:36.21 | somiaj | (not this isn't always the case, but almost always is). |
| 08:36.32 | somiaj | did you check jessie-backports? |
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| 08:41.22 | GPenguin | jessie is stable since quote some time. the next stable relase is the frozen stetch :) |
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| 08:43.36 | Drzacek | Hi. Is there a way to create install medium based on current system? So I could install all packages I want, remove those that I don't etc? Maybe some extra personalization? |
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| 08:45.28 | somiaj | !aptitude clone |
| 08:45.28 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>. |
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| 08:45.41 | somiaj | Drzacek: one of many ways to clone the current list of isntalled packges. |
| 08:46.31 | Drzacek | somiaj, doesn't that require the target machine to already have debian installed? |
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| 08:48.15 | Drzacek | I was installing debian mutliple times recently, and it always takes very long - I have to install debian, then upgrade to stretch, then set few fs to mount, then install all the programming ide/packages etc. I would like to create ready medium so I only have to install once, ideally unatended - now I can't just start the installation and leave, because it asks many things during install |
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| 08:57.45 | superman8 | Thanks on the support and progress on troubleshooting, somiaj, bolt |
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| 09:53.30 | fnoyanisi | hi there gnu/linux fellows. I am trying to install gcc on a debian system and it keeps asking me to insert to debian DVD |
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| 09:53.51 | fnoyanisi | any way to get the system download the gcc package rather than getting it from the DVD? |
| 09:54.06 | Stummi | fnoyanisi, remove the DVD entries from /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 09:54.50 | fnoyanisi | then it says gcc has no installation candidate |
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| 10:00.43 | ImUs3r | how can i upzip zip file? |
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| 10:01.28 | themill | You could guess and you'd be right |
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| 10:02.38 | ImUs3r | themill: i have no idea |
| 10:02.39 | ImUs3r | :( |
| 10:02.50 | fnoyanisi | ImUs3r : unzip [-aCcfjLlnopqtuvy] [-d dir] zipfile |
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| 10:03.02 | themill | If you had to guess how you might unzip something what would be the ideal command? |
| 10:03.35 | _Nox | Oi oi Oi |
| 10:04.02 | ImUs3r | -bash: upzip: command not found |
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| 10:04.53 | fnoyanisi | ImUs3r : not upzip |
| 10:04.54 | fnoyanisi | unzip |
| 10:05.19 | fnoyanisi | FYI, I still cannot install gcc with apt-get. help pls |
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| 10:06.03 | ImUs3r | fnoyanisi: thanks but there is a strange folder of __MACSX? |
| 10:06.12 | KnightsWhoSayNi | fnoyanisi: did you modify your apt sources as Stummi recommended? |
| 10:06.13 | ImUs3r | what is __MACSX? |
| 10:06.55 | fnoyanisi | ImUs3r : I dont know. ask the person who has zipped the archive your are trying to unzip(1) |
| 10:07.17 | themill | ImUs3r: it's crap that MACOSX drops in there. |
| 10:07.21 | ImUs3r | thanks i will just delete __MACSX folder |
| 10:07.29 | themill | fnoyanisi: which release of debian? |
| 10:07.40 | fnoyanisi | KnightsWhoSayNi : I used an example source list from the debian wiki...still getting 'gcc' has no installation candidate error |
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| 10:08.12 | fnoyanisi | I am not familiar with debian, my kernel version is 3.16.7 |
| 10:08.19 | fnoyanisi | I think Jessie |
| 10:08.31 | fnoyanisi | (took a stab in the dark) |
| 10:08.34 | musca | fnoyanisi: did you run "apt-get update" after modifying the sources? |
| 10:08.40 | themill | !jessie sources.list |
| 10:08.40 | fnoyanisi | no |
| 10:08.40 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 10:08.45 | ImUs3r | themill: i can delete __MACOSX? |
| 10:08.50 | ImUs3r | there is no problem? |
| 10:08.55 | themill | fnoyanisi: you need to know which release before you alter your sources.list |
| 10:08.57 | themill | ImUs3r: yes |
| 10:09.01 | ImUs3r | thanks |
| 10:09.30 | fnoyanisi | thenill : apt-get update made the trick I reckon |
| 10:09.34 | fnoyanisi | thx! |
| 10:09.41 | Stummi | iirc __MACOSX is used by mac osx to cache stuff like rendered preview icons and this stuff. Similar to windows thumbs.db |
| 10:09.42 | fnoyanisi | themill : ^^^ |
| 10:10.22 | themill | good news |
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| 10:21.26 | blawiz | theres no apt-get security-upgrade or something? |
| 10:22.54 | jelly | blawiz: almost all updated packages in stable are there for security reasons |
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| 10:26.08 | blawiz | jelly: ahh i see, so over 80%? |
| 10:26.14 | blawiz | im on stretch though |
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| 10:33.44 | petn-randall | blawiz: stretch doesn't get any security support at the moment. |
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| 10:34.41 | jelly | blawiz: testing, in general, does not receive have security updates at all, so you dodged a bullet there |
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| 10:34.51 | jelly | slow |
| 10:35.14 | blawiz | dodged what bullet? |
| 10:35.18 | jelly | it will get them once it's stable |
| 10:35.27 | blawiz | ahh, i see :] |
| 10:35.33 | blawiz | when is that btw? |
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| 10:37.46 | ImUs3r | how can i install php? |
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| 10:39.59 | ImUs3r | apt-get install php5 php-pear php5-mysql <â this is correct? |
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| 10:40.50 | GPenguin | ImUs3r: hit return and check which packages apt lists and if you find its right answer with "yes" |
| 10:41.25 | ImUs3r | apt-get install php5 php-pear php5-mysql <â then i will do it |
| 10:41.28 | ImUs3r | GP |
| 10:41.30 | ImUs3r | GPenguin: |
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| 10:42.08 | GPenguin | ImUs3r: when you send the command it asks first if you want to do that. so you can look at the list what it will be installing |
| 10:43.11 | GPenguin | ImUs3r: if you are unsure "apt-cache search php5-" can list more php5 related packages |
| 10:43.28 | ImUs3r | ok thanks GPenguin :) |
| 10:43.40 | GPenguin | :) |
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| 10:46.58 | petn-randall | blawiz: Sometime this year, there is no release date, only guesstimations. |
| 10:48.12 | blawiz | petn-randall: okok :] |
| 10:48.29 | petn-randall | !wwsr |
| 10:48.30 | dpkg | Debian 9 "Stretch" will probably release in mid-2017. It will release sooner if you help fix bugs in stretch and sid... take that as a challenge. Ask me about <stretch freeze>, <how-can-i-help> |
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| 10:52.28 | Drzacek | !stretch freeze |
| 10:52.28 | dpkg | Stretch will start to freeze in early 2017; no new versions of packages will enter the release as this is a period of intense bug fixing. See http://lists.debian.org/%3C20160303221359.GA1401@lupin.powdarrmonkey.net%3E https://release.debian.org/stretch/ and ask me about <slushy>. |
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| 11:06.57 | TheJester | Sorry guys |
| 11:07.03 | TheJester | Sorry BitsOfSkin |
| 11:07.07 | TheJester | grr |
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| 11:18.13 | WildPenguin | http://ajitvadakayil.blogspot.in/2015/10/if-zionist-jews-created-isis-who.html |
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| 12:01.54 | sruli | i am booted to root shell and trying to umount /boot it returns error that its not mounted, but lsblk shows it is mounted, when i try to delete the partition with parted it says it in use, how can i umount this? |
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| 12:02.58 | jelly | sruli: what does «grep /boot /proc/mounts» say? |
| 12:03.14 | jelly | is it there or not |
| 12:03.38 | jelly | sruli: and also, do you have any other mountpoints below /boot, like /boot/efi? |
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| 12:05.38 | sruli | jelly: the only other mount point is / - its not listed in proc/mounts, but it is listed in 'mounts' i even commented the boot line in fstab and rebooted, still does not help |
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| 12:08.14 | tommm | hi all, i've a bluetooth speaker and since yesterday it stopped working with my debian.. now if i try to connect everything seems fine except i can't find the device under speakers when connected and running `service bluetooth status` give http://pastebin.com/sfWD6y7m |
| 12:08.44 | tommm | anybody knows what's going ? solutions? thanks |
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| 12:08.49 | jelly | sruli: sorry, what's just "mounts" ? |
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| 12:09.14 | sruli | jelly: if you execute 'mount' in the terminal it shows all mounts |
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| 12:10.00 | jelly | sruli: that reads from /etc/mtab, is your /etc/mtab a symlink to /proc/mounts or not? |
| 12:10.32 | jelly | sruli: which debian release is this? |
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| 12:13.15 | sruli | jelly:release 8.6.0 netinstall (minimal install) how can i check if mtab is symlinked? las 0lah does not seem to show any symlinks |
| 12:13.37 | sruli | jelly: typo .. 'ls -lah' |
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| 12:18.14 | sruli | jelly: it cant be symlinked as contents are not the same, i will try to symlink it and see it it works |
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| 12:19.07 | AnononAgram | Hey guys I've been trying to connect to #kali-linux I'm new to irc if someone has some spare time could you help me.... any help is much appreciated |
| 12:19.48 | toruvinn | AnononAgram, and what's the problem? most likely you just need to type /join #kali-linux |
| 12:20.19 | themill | Try configuring your IRC client with your name |
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| 12:21.18 | AnononAgram | and thats what i have been trying to do but each time ive done it... it keeps saying im banned but ive never been on the channel before |
| 12:21.26 | toruvinn | oh |
| 12:21.50 | AnononAgram | when you say configure with your name you just mean nick names correct ??? or registering one |
| 12:22.35 | toruvinn | AnononAgram, 13:21:34 -:- 44 - #kali-linux: ban *!*Anon*@* [by livingstone.freenode.net, 741404 secs ago] |
| 12:22.54 | toruvinn | you probably should change your ident. ;-) |
| 12:23.10 | toruvinn | hexchat... sorry, never heard of that. |
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| 12:23.12 | AnononAgram | so just change my nick name ??? |
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| 12:23.42 | themill | AnononAgram: no, ident. #freenode or #your_irc_client would be better places to ask |
| 12:23.42 | toruvinn | AnononAgram, the problem isn't your nick to be honest, the problem is your ident. you could probably run (o)identd locally and get your meaningful username there. |
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| 12:24.35 | sruli | jelly: i deleted /etc/mtab, seemed to have done the trick, thanks for the pointer |
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| 12:25.09 | AnononAgram | ok so identity is diffrent from nickname ??? |
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| 12:29.36 | AnononAgram | im still lost guys |
| 12:30.22 | AnononAgram | kinda need some starting points that are abit more irc - noob friendly to get going |
| 12:30.46 | AnononAgram | i tried the command and says No channel joined. Try /join #<channel> |
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| 12:31.37 | themill | AnononAgram: #freenode or #your_irc_client would be better places to ask |
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| 12:32.01 | AnononAgram | ok so how do i list the channels to find my clients channel |
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| 12:32.53 | themill | !alis |
| 12:32.53 | dpkg | â¬â« ALIS? WHO THE F IS ALIS? alis is a services bot that can help you find channels on the <freenode> irc network. "/msg alis help list" for usage information or ask about alis in #freenode. Example: «/msg alis list #debian*» or «/msg alis list *linux*» |
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| 12:39.46 | AnononAgram | your info is helping guys thanks heaps when i type /help tho it did not list the alis command is there a reason for that |
| 12:40.10 | AnononAgram | but i tested the command alis and it works fine |
| 12:40.27 | bezaban | AnononAgram: that is the help for your client, alis is a feature on the server side of freenode irc which is not part of the irc specification |
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| 12:41.08 | bezaban | but yes, themill's advice is sound, this is a debian support channel :) |
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| 12:42.18 | AnononAgram | ok so each network has its own commands in away correct ???? |
| 12:42.34 | themill | AnononAgram: #freenode is just over there â |
| 12:42.57 | AnononAgram | im in freenode now |
| 12:43.17 | AnononAgram | not here like i have multiple windows open and being on freenode is one of them |
| 12:43.24 | AnononAgram | freenode main |
| 12:43.28 | AnononAgram | and im in the freenode channel |
| 12:43.51 | AnononAgram | that what you mean i have configured taps for windows not tree |
| 12:43.54 | AnononAgram | hexchat |
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| 12:44.21 | themill | You may have missed that this is a Debian user support channel, you're not running Debian and that I've been gently encouraging you to move elsewhere for where your questions are on-topic... |
| 12:44.29 | bezaban | AnononAgram: then ask your generic freenode/irc questions in the freenode channel (##frenode) and not in here. This channel is reserved for issues regarding debian. This is my last comment regarding this issue. |
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| 12:44.38 | bezaban | #freenode* |
| 12:44.46 | AnononAgram | oh ok sorry guys |
| 12:45.01 | bezaban | :) |
| 12:45.31 | AnononAgram | umm still new my bad so can i come here for kali-linux questions or not ?? coz its debain based |
| 12:45.40 | themill | no |
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| 12:46.08 | steakwipe | kali has their own channel here yeah? |
| 12:46.19 | steakwipe | yep |
| 12:46.27 | AnononAgram | so if i installed just debain could i ask questins here ??? configureing repositories and what not ???? |
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| 12:47.18 | TomTomTo1 | if you used the regular debian installer you can ask here. |
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| 12:47.40 | guavas | Hi everyone. I have the need to install a .deb package, and being outside the reps I don't really trust it, so I'd like to install it on a sandbox or container. Do you have any advice or resource that can point me in the right direction to do that? |
| 12:47.52 | AnononAgram | ok you guys have done enough thanks alot much appreciated cya |
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| 12:49.10 | themill | guavas: that sort of depends how little you trust it. chroot or vm |
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| 12:50.07 | guavas | themill, my machine won't stand virtualization because of the processor, a chroot would be enough? |
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| 12:50.22 | themill | guavas: that sort of depends how little you trust it. |
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| 12:51.17 | guavas | themill, I (somewhat) trust it not to be malicious, but don't want to bloat my debian |
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| 12:52.57 | yehai | i was told drama |
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| 12:59.41 | f31n | ad 0 day grub2, am i vulnerable when there is only plain linux cli installed no firefox or other guis? |
| 12:59.46 | petn-randall | guavas: A root inside a chroot is effectively also root outside of it, so a malicious .deb could infect your system, since the installation scripts run as root. If you want to play it safe, use a VM. |
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| 13:00.00 | f31n | i don't get how the virus hits the mashines |
| 13:00.08 | petn-randall | f31n: Which grub2 0day? |
| 13:00.16 | TuxCrazy | hello, how can I download Debian Testing? |
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| 13:00.37 | TuxCrazy | I am a beginner in Linux. |
| 13:00.49 | themill | !install testing |
| 13:00.49 | dpkg | Daily built <netinst> images to install <testing> are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ . The chance of the testing installer being broken on any given day is quite high. Instead, do a minimal installation using the stable installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Also ask me about <testing installer>, <apt-listchanges>, <d-d-a>. |
| 13:01.05 | themill | You might want to reevaluate your decision to run prerelease software. |
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| 13:01.53 | f31n | petn-randall: all over the news in austria that there is a virus that hits mainly the Russian servers - and crypts the whole harddrive like cryptowall for windows |
| 13:02.14 | f31n | http://hmarco.org/bugs/CVE-2015-8370-Grub2-authentication-bypass.html |
| 13:02.19 | TuxCrazy | Today, I went to the Linux Mint channel and asked whether Mint is more secure and stable than Debian and was told that Debian is more stable. |
| 13:02.33 | TuxCrazy | But, Mint comes with newer packages. |
| 13:03.09 | TuxCrazy | Also, was told that if I needed newer packages I can try Debian Testing or Unstable. |
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| 13:03.46 | TuxCrazy | which one should a beginner choose? |
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| 13:05.36 | f31n | TuxCrazy: for a beginner it doesn't matter if debian or mint, i'd personally say ubuntu, but that may depend on whom you ask; why ubuntu, the community is much more beginner friendly and you find tons of tutorials |
| 13:06.27 | TuxCrazy | f31n, ok. |
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| 13:07.28 | TuxCrazy | what should one do if one gets banned in this channel? |
| 13:07.57 | petemc | introspect |
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| 13:08.12 | TuxCrazy | what? |
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| 13:08.28 | petemc | think about why it happened |
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| 13:09.59 | guavas | petn-randall, thanks... my hardware doesn't support VM, so I guess I'll have to renounce to it. |
| 13:10.04 | TuxCrazy | ok. yesterday, a person share a link to a youtube video. I watched that. Today, I shared a link to the webpage somewhat relating to that video. |
| 13:10.13 | themill | TuxCrazy: It'd be great if we didn't have to keep playing this "which distro" game with you btw |
| 13:10.21 | TuxCrazy | I got banned. But, that other person was not. |
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| 13:10.49 | TuxCrazy | themill, no more questions from me on that topic. |
| 13:10.58 | guavas | TuxCrazy, mint is based on the testing of debian, so a debian stable would be safer |
| 13:12.01 | TuxCrazy | guavas, I'll go for Debian, then. Because, even that guy at Mint channel admitted that Debian is more stable and secure. |
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| 13:12.46 | ryonaloli | well considering mint doesn't consider LPE vulnerabilities to be security-related... |
| 13:12.49 | ryonaloli | yes go with debian |
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| 13:13.17 | TuxCrazy | ryonaloli, what is that? I didn't know that. |
| 13:13.20 | ryonaloli | (like seriously, they won't even update your kernel if you have a kernel vuln, because "who could attack the kernel through the browser?" and other such shortsighted nonsense |
| 13:13.28 | ryonaloli | TuxCrazy: LPE is a local privilege escalation. |
| 13:13.34 | ryonaloli | basically user -> root security bug |
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| 13:13.48 | TuxCrazy | that is all greek to me. |
| 13:13.51 | newcoder | What's the difference between vim-gnome and vim-gtk? |
| 13:13.53 | ryonaloli | unless it can be exploited remotely all on its own, then the mint team is slow at fixing it, and sometimes never fixes it. |
| 13:13.55 | guavas | Not sure that the iso files are even signed on Mint |
| 13:13.57 | ryonaloli | (root is admin) |
| 13:14.00 | ryonaloli | guavas: they aren't |
| 13:14.02 | TuxCrazy | I don't have any technical background. |
| 13:14.04 | newcoder | Which one to install? |
| 13:14.13 | ryonaloli | also just recently, the linux mint site was hacked |
| 13:14.22 | ryonaloli | and the installation cds were given malware or something |
| 13:14.25 | ryonaloli | i don't remember |
| 13:14.33 | TuxCrazy | what about Ubuntu? is it secure? |
| 13:14.35 | guavas | yeah, I remember that |
| 13:14.44 | themill | TuxCrazy: ... |
| 13:14.57 | guavas | ryonaloli, and they still don't sign the packages. Amazing. |
| 13:15.05 | ryonaloli | do they even use https? |
| 13:15.15 | ryonaloli | TuxCrazy: ubuntu is pretty good, yes |
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| 13:15.23 | f31n | TuxCrazy: if you ask a tank creator if a car is secure you will never get a satisfying answer, it always depend on what are you planning to do |
| 13:15.24 | ryonaloli | both debian and ubuntu are solid, reputable distributions. |
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| 13:15.41 | ryonaloli | ubuntu has some technical advantages, but it installs more bloat. |
| 13:15.42 | TuxCrazy | ok. |
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| 13:16.03 | TuxCrazy | Debian is faster than Ubuntu? |
| 13:16.06 | newcoder | Can anyone answer? |
| 13:16.19 | themill | TuxCrazy: that's enough, thanks. |
| 13:16.20 | TuxCrazy | because of less bloat? |
| 13:16.37 | petn-randall | newcoder: Try both and see the difference. |
| 13:16.52 | f31n | you get updates much quicker, and you're much more actual concerning software, (thatâs an advantage and also a downside) (security / stability) |
| 13:17.01 | ryonaloli | TuxCrazy: it depends on what you install. ubuntu tends to have newer software (which can mean updates for speed) |
| 13:17.12 | newcoder | Why both vim-gtk and vim-gnome exist? |
| 13:17.26 | ryonaloli | but overall, they're both very fast |
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| 13:17.44 | TuxCrazy | themill, no more questions from me on that topic. |
| 13:17.44 | f31n | TuxCrazy: are you planning to install a gui / using it as desktop or as a server? |
| 13:17.48 | petn-randall | newcoder: The description says one is GTK2, the other is GTK3. |
| 13:17.51 | guavas | depends more on the graphic environment that the distro, at that point |
| 13:17.59 | TuxCrazy | Desktop, GUI. |
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| 13:18.10 | ryonaloli | i'm preferential to debian myself. i've used both, and i like debian better. |
| 13:18.17 | TuxCrazy | I am coming from Windows background. |
| 13:18.20 | f31n | TuxCrazy: go for ubuntu :D |
| 13:18.50 | guavas | TuxCrazy, I find Debian easier to use because the stable release is really, really stable |
| 13:18.51 | ryonaloli | ubuntu may be easier if you're coming from a windows background. debian isn't hard, but ubuntu is meant to be very simple to install and set up. |
| 13:19.00 | TuxCrazy | ok. Thanks guys. No more questions from me on that topic. |
| 13:19.03 | ryonaloli | ok |
| 13:19.16 | guavas | on ubuntu, being more up to date, you may find some crashes and stuff |
| 13:19.35 | newcoder | petn-randall: Where did you get gtk3? |
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| 13:21.40 | petn-randall | newcoder: Ah, that's the version in stretch. Well, the gnome version is compiled against gnome-specific libraries, and probably gives you better integration. |
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| 13:36.21 | teraflops | I'm not in front of the computer but I think there's a systemd service too |
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| 13:50.10 | sruli | how can i make a script execute when booting to root shell? i tried adding it in .bashrc but it does not execute. |
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| 13:53.12 | ws2k3_ | it seems my machine does not execute the /etc/rc.local after boot |
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| 14:09.40 | petn-randall | sruli: Do you mean to start it on boot, or when logging in as root? |
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| 14:27.11 | sruli | petn-randall: its booting to root shell so there is no logging-in so has to be at end of boot proccess |
| 14:27.49 | petn-randall | sruli: How is it automatically logging in then? |
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| 14:28.36 | sruli | petn-randall: it not logging-in... i am booting to root shell (init=/bin/bash in grub) |
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| 14:29.24 | petn-randall | sruli: Then there's no way to run anything, since the one and only process you're spawning, the init system, is bash. |
| 14:29.45 | sruli | petn-randall: ok, thanks |
| 14:29.48 | petn-randall | sruli: What are you trying to achieve? There might be a better way to do this. |
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| 14:30.43 | sruli | petn-randall: execute a script to nuke luks headers |
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| 14:31.53 | petn-randall | sruli: So you want to have a live system that does just that, or you want an entry for grub on your regular system to nuke the LUKS headers? |
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| 14:33.31 | sruli | petn-randall: what i have done is installed a mini debian on separate partition and added a grub entry to boot to /bin/bash, when i am there i execute the script, but i would like to execute automatically when booting to it |
| 14:34.08 | petn-randall | sruli: Write a script that does just that, and add a system unit to execute it on start. |
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| 14:34.21 | petn-randall | (you might want to make backups before) |
| 14:34.59 | sruli | petn-randall: lol, when i need to nuke using that there is no times for backups ;-) |
| 14:35.19 | petn-randall | sruli: You might want to make backups for testing purposes ... |
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| 14:36.38 | sruli | petn-randall: testing on a vm with snapshots! so if i create a system d service that will execute, my question is how can i make sure it executes when /usr/bin and /sbin applications are already available? |
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| 14:46.13 | jelly | sruli: if you're booting with /bin/bash, why not use bash rc files? |
| 14:46.21 | jelly | init=/bin/bash |
| 14:46.53 | jelly | pick a rc file for bash that gets always read and put your thing in there |
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| 14:47.14 | jelly | does not know, avoids bash as interactive shell |
| 14:47.33 | jelly | (but man bash, section INVOCATION probably) |
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| 14:48.35 | sruli | jelly: i put a link to it in my .bashrc file but it does not execute |
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| 14:49.35 | sruli | jelly: i meant i put the path to it in .bashrc "sh /path/to/script" |
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| 14:50.43 | petn-randall | jelly: Would be surprised if bash calls any sensible script in that state, as it doesn't know if it is a login/non-login, interactive/non-interactive shell. |
| 14:51.08 | jelly | sruli: two things: I don't know whether $HOME/.bashrc is the right place to put it, and HOME is _not_ set when you init=/bin/bash anyway |
| 14:51.37 | sruli | jelly: i put it in /root/.bashrc, i also put a .bashrc in / |
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| 14:52.37 | jelly | sruli: honestly I'd make a custom script and use that in init=/sbin/nuke-everything instead of bash |
| 14:53.05 | sruli | jelly: will try that |
| 14:53.16 | jelly | or investigate which, if any, files bash reads in this situation |
| 14:53.50 | sruli | jelly: or better, i will create a wrapper for /bin/bash which will execute nuke |
| 14:54.09 | jelly | that's what shell scripts do. |
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| 14:54.36 | sruli | will try that now |
| 14:54.38 | jelly | they make the kernel call a shell which executes something |
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| 14:59.03 | petn-randall | Hehe, a wrapper for bash :) |
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| 14:59.25 | sruli | petn-randall: yeah funny, but it worked! |
| 14:59.39 | sruli | booted to bin/bash system is nuked! |
| 15:00.21 | sruli | petn-randall: jelly: thanks for your help |
| 15:00.38 | jelly | !win sruli |
| 15:00.39 | dpkg | Congratulations, sruli! You have won the US presidency! |
| 15:00.57 | petn-randall | Ouch, too soon |
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| 15:01.26 | sruli | jelly: were the Russians involved? |
| 15:01.59 | jelly | lool |
| 15:02.22 | jelly | sruli: I'm Croatian, that's like related? |
| 15:02.44 | jelly | slavic people with heavy accents |
| 15:03.32 | sruli | jelly: depends.... you want to go back to ussr? |
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| 15:03.59 | jelly | don't know how lucky you are |
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| 15:04.32 | sruli | jelly ? |
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| 15:06.25 | sruli | wha is the minimum partition size i can install netiso on? |
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| 15:11.15 | john_rambo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:14.20 | jelly | john_rambo: install os-prober, run update-grub as root, and hopefully it will detect other linux installation(s) |
| 15:16.47 | john_rambo | jelly, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23782148/ |
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| 15:17.34 | sruli | john_rambo: is your tiny core encrypted? |
| 15:17.44 | john_rambo | sruli, No |
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| 15:18.30 | sruli | john_rambo: dont know, if it would have ben encrypted os-prober wouldnt have found it |
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| 15:19.32 | sruli | john_rambo: a simple workaround is to place a custom.cfg in /boot/grub |
| 15:20.53 | john_rambo | sruli, Some one is suggesting I run recommended repair in boot repair |
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| 15:21.32 | sruli | john_rambo: thats a solution but if os-prober doesnt find it, on your next kernel update you will loose it again |
| 15:21.45 | john_rambo | OKay |
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| 15:22.47 | jelly | very possible os-prober doesn't detect syslinux/extlinux |
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| 15:23.27 | b6s3d | hello, is it possible to make a customized ram disk for bluray or usb stick that function as a live cd that loads the os into ram and executes the cd/usb? |
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| 15:28.44 | jhutchins | Of course one could always build their own grub menu entry. |
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| 15:29.22 | jhutchins | b6s3d: Like the installer? |
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| 15:30.09 | b6s3d | jhutchins: like a operating system ramdisk that loads into the rams and then ejects it self |
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| 15:31.04 | b6s3d | i wanna be able to use a mini bluray disk on 8 gb of ram with the root system on, and then load it into ram on boot, then remove the bluray disk and still run the os |
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| 15:32.47 | b6s3d | is there a software out there that can transform a os on a usb to ramdisk ? |
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| 15:36.07 | Vizva-aw | b6s3d a live system |
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| 15:36.20 | b6s3d | a live ram system yes |
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| 15:36.58 | Vizva-aw | there aa plenty live systems out there but remove the blueray cut all your programs, how big is your ram ? :) |
| 15:37.31 | b6s3d | 8 gb but i can upgrade to 10 |
| 15:37.47 | b6s3d | are you familiar with parted magic? |
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| 15:38.09 | Vizva-aw | once upon a time |
| 15:38.36 | Vizva-aw | not actual for me to deal with such things |
| 15:38.42 | Vizva-aw | i havee in debian all i need |
| 15:38.58 | Vizva-aw | or check systemback |
| 15:39.17 | Vizva-aw | its not in packages but interesting |
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| 15:39.49 | Vizva-aw | you can use a usb stick an ran a system from |
| 15:40.09 | Vizva-aw | and the system is not rw |
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| 15:41.53 | Vizva | its a image file and faster |
| 15:41.54 | b6s3d | i just need to customize a live system, then make it ramdisk bootable, so i can remove the disk afterwards so the system doesn't have to lack the speed of the bluray/usb reading. it will load totally from the ram which means maximum speed |
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| 15:42.49 | Vizva | you can create a debian system for example like you need it and then transform with systemback to an usb its a image and very fast |
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| 15:43.22 | b6s3d | no, it has to be ramdisk, this project im mind is a ramdisk project |
| 15:43.29 | b6s3d | nothing less will do |
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| 15:44.25 | Vizva | if you want to have many more problems and restrictions then its your choice, you can try |
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| 15:46.02 | Vizva | i have had same idea some time ago but there are easier solutions |
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| 15:47.11 | Vizva | and ram is breakable for trojan and things, |
| 15:47.15 | Vizva | i think so |
| 15:47.19 | frostschutz | b6s3d, some livecds support it, like ubuntu's toram option or similar, meant to free up the only cd drive in the system. you can do it yourself with a custom initramfs, you just have to copy the rootfs image to tmpfs and then mount that |
| 15:47.20 | Vizva | buffer overflow and whatever |
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| 15:48.44 | b6s3d | Vizva wanna join a private irc network, then we can do this project some day together? |
| 15:49.03 | b6s3d | frostschutz: lol, thanks bud, but what you just said made no sense to me |
| 15:50.11 | Vizva | you wanna run a irc network? |
| 15:50.41 | Vizva | thank you but i have other things to do now |
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| 15:51.34 | reeed | hi guys does anyone know where I can d/l a debian vbox image *with guest additions installed* ? |
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| 15:54.18 | mlkkk | reeed: use vagrant plugin vbguest |
| 15:54.47 | babilen | reeed: And use https://atlas.hashicorp.com/debian/ as the base |
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| 15:55.10 | reeed | vagrant... |
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| 16:01.24 | b6s3d | vizva one of my friends runs a private irc network, i can invite you in pm if you like |
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| 16:05.13 | lvh | Hi! I've just tried to install Debian testing (via debian-installer) into a VirtualBox with a macOS Sierra host. The default install appears to use Wayland now, which, surprisingly, doesn't seem to work at all in Virtualbox. When booting, the screen just flickers between an attempt at a GUI and the login terminal. I can log in to the box via terminal, but never get to see GDM. I googled, but wasn't able to find a workaround. Should I just reinstall a minimal |
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| 16:05.17 | UUID00 | are there any downsides to "pci=nomsi,noaer" ? |
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| 16:06.08 | rootd00d_ | hey folks. when i resume from sleep, i just get a black screen, and i have to use loginctl to unlock the session. anyone else encounter this recently? it never used to do it before. |
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| 16:10.18 | b6s3d | Vizva, alright, i just thought it would be nice if we could do it together, but ok. you had/have the chance |
| 16:11.04 | stoned | Is there any supported method here for getting zfs on debian stable? |
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| 16:11.46 | stoned | I used a zfs on linux debian repository and it's been working, but today I tried to upgrade and some packages failed to isntall as they were trying to overwrite existings libs or something |
| 16:11.55 | stoned | I'm not sure if that's supported here, considering it not official repo. |
| 16:11.59 | b6s3d | frostschutz: can you give me details or share a link on how to do it? |
| 16:12.07 | stoned | What is the supported method? So I can use that and bug you folks here |
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| 16:12.08 | jelly | stoned: it's not supported here, ZoL have their own channel |
| 16:12.29 | jelly | there's no kernel based zfs in jessie |
| 16:12.41 | stoned | how bout the next one? |
| 16:13.11 | stoned | any news on that? |
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| 16:13.17 | stoned | (testing I mean) |
| 16:14.21 | petn-randall | jessie-backports has the necessary tools, though. |
| 16:14.50 | petn-randall | ,v zfsutils-linux |
| 16:14.51 | judd | Package: zfsutils-linux on amd64 -- jessie-backports/contrib: 0.6.5.8-2~bpo8+1; stretch/contrib: 0.6.5.8-2; sid/contrib: 0.6.5.8-3 |
| 16:14.59 | jelly | stoned: not sure, I _think_ stretch is going to have it |
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| 16:15.11 | stoned | keeping fingers crossed. |
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| 16:15.19 | stoned | is there a fuse zfs in debian supported? |
| 16:15.19 | petn-randall | ,v zfs-dkms |
| 16:15.20 | judd | Package: zfs-dkms on amd64 -- stretch/contrib: 0.6.5.8-1; jessie-backports/contrib: 0.6.5.8-2~bpo8+1; stretch/contrib: 0.6.5.8-2; sid/contrib: 0.6.5.8-3 |
| 16:15.22 | stoned | not kernel but userspace? |
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| 16:15.28 | vkolchev | what's the use of debian stabliness if when you use stable, icedove segfaults and on filing bug they say - there are a lot of bugs with segfaults, your is duplicate. This is strange for a stable distro. |
| 16:15.31 | jelly | dpkg, zfsonlinux is also They have an irc channel #zfsonlinux on freenode. |
| 16:15.32 | dpkg | okay, jelly |
| 16:15.47 | petn-randall | ,v zfs-fuse |
| 16:15.48 | judd | Package: zfs-fuse on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.7.0-8; jessie: 0.7.0-12; stretch: 0.7.0-16; sid: 0.7.0-16 |
| 16:15.52 | jelly | vkolchev: the use is other stuff works. |
| 16:15.54 | petn-randall | stoned: ^^^ |
| 16:15.59 | stoned | gotcha |
| 16:16.17 | vkolchev | jelly, great) |
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| 16:17.31 | stoned | Setting up zfs-dkms (0.6.5.8-2~bpo8+1) ... |
| 16:17.37 | stoned | Ok, I think it's stoned like me now. |
| 16:18.08 | stoned | Unpacking zfs-dkms (0.6.5.8-2~bpo8+1) over (0.6.5.7-8-jessie) was the original message |
| 16:18.13 | stoned | I think it's updated now, wicked, thanks you |
| 16:19.23 | stoned | ii libzfs2 0.6.5.7-8-jessie is installed, but also ii zfs-dkms 0.6.5.8-2~bpo8+ ii zfsutils 0.6.5.7-8-jessie |
| 16:19.35 | stoned | I wonder why there are the older versions still |
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| 16:21.35 | jhutchins | vkolchev: icedove is developed by mozilla, not Debian. |
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| 16:23.08 | stoned | I see. It seems backports have a mre recent version than zol repository? that's kinda goofy. maybe I'm wrong |
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| 16:23.53 | vkolchev | jhutchins, I understand, but it is really frustrating, but why debian does not switch to version without segfaults? |
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| 16:25.24 | jhutchins | ,v icedove |
| 16:25.26 | judd | Package: icedove on amd64 -- wheezy: 38.7.0-1~deb7u1; jessie: 1:45.2.0-1~deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 1:45.3.0-1~deb8u1; stretch: 1:45.4.0-1; wheezy-security: 1:45.5.1-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 1:45.5.1-1~deb8u1; sid: 1:45.6.0-2 |
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| 16:25.50 | petn-randall | vkolchev: Because it's better to fix the issue than to blindly upgrade to another version. |
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| 16:25.53 | jhutchins | vkolchev: What version are you having trouble with (and what release are you on)? |
| 16:26.06 | petn-randall | vkolchev: segfaults are considered release-critical, so they should be fixed. |
| 16:27.01 | jhutchins | Then again, segfaults could be rare enough that they're hard to track down, or the bug reporters haven't given enough info to reproduce them or track them down. |
| 16:27.22 | vkolchev | jhutchins, jhutchins Package: icedove> Version: 1:45.5.1-1~deb8u1 , latest stable Debian. 8.6 I believe |
| 16:27.40 | vkolchev | jhutchins, I am not currently at Debian box, sorry |
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| 16:29.11 | jhutchins | vkolchev: There have _always_ been problems with code from mozilla. |
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| 16:29.27 | jhutchins | ,v thunderbird |
| 16:29.28 | judd | No package named 'thunderbird' was found in amd64. |
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| 16:30.07 | jelly | vkolchev: thunderbird is a bit orphaned upstream and possibly also undermaintained in Debian as well at the moment |
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| 16:34.02 | petn-randall | ,v icedove |
| 16:34.03 | judd | Package: icedove on amd64 -- wheezy: 38.7.0-1~deb7u1; jessie: 1:45.2.0-1~deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 1:45.3.0-1~deb8u1; stretch: 1:45.4.0-1; wheezy-security: 1:45.5.1-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 1:45.5.1-1~deb8u1; sid: 1:45.6.0-2 |
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| 16:37.51 | vkolchev | jelly, jhutchins , what are good alternatives to it? |
| 16:38.13 | jelly | vkolchev: grab the thunderbird tarball from mozilla, unpack and use |
| 16:38.41 | jelly | if you unpack it as your normal user, it will be able to auto-update itself |
| 16:39.04 | vkolchev | jelly, ah ok, thanks for suggestion |
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| 16:49.48 | atmc | can someone point me to directions how i could make a .deb package from a directory which should be installed in /opt but isnt compiled and doesn't need to be archived? dpkg-buildpackage goes through a long process of tar/xz during the generation which i'd like to avoid |
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| 16:50.36 | croddy | atmc you can try fpm |
| 16:50.49 | atmc | i stumbled upon that |
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| 16:56.27 | stoned | ok I figured it out |
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| 16:57.10 | stoned | midori is a good browser |
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| 17:06.45 | stoned | alternative to thunderbird? |
| 17:06.50 | stoned | vkolchev: I use geary |
| 17:07.03 | stoned | it's kind of slow, but it's okay |
| 17:07.22 | vkolchev | stoned, checked it, but it supports IMAP only? Have POP3 unfortunately |
| 17:07.33 | stoned | something about that gooey toolkit that makes it very gooey and slow |
| 17:07.57 | TuxCrazy | is JSCoder online now on this channel? |
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| 17:08.22 | lafleurdubien | @stoned Claws mail isn't the prettiest, but it should have all the features you could need |
| 17:08.55 | stoned | yeah you're right, there is no php3 option in it |
| 17:09.04 | stoned | I never cared b/c I don't use pop |
| 17:09.15 | stoned | Everyone has imap now |
| 17:09.26 | stoned | I also use kmail |
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| 17:09.46 | stoned | It's also seup for all my email but I don't use it all the time. It is integrated into my kgpg and all that |
| 17:09.52 | stoned | and konqueror I can right click and email files |
| 17:10.03 | lafleurdubien | Anybody looking for a thunderbird alternative should take a look at Claws mail |
| 17:10.14 | n4dir | ^^ that. |
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| 17:10.29 | stoned | lafleurdubien: what's the gooey tookit? |
| 17:10.46 | stoned | looks like gtk |
| 17:10.58 | lafleurdubien | GTK+ |
| 17:10.59 | lafleurdubien | its fast as heck though! |
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| 17:11.13 | stoned | does it render html mails? |
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| 17:11.56 | vkolchev | lafleurdubien, will check it , thanks |
| 17:12.54 | lafleurdubien | I can't remember if it renders HTML emails out of the box but if not there's surely a plugin! http://www.claws-mail.org/plugins.php |
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| 17:15.25 | stoned | I also use mutt, primarily. |
| 17:15.30 | stoned | just throwing it out there |
| 17:16.05 | stoned | it's easy, I use google voice/text messaging and I can just text people using mutt. Hate tpyign on my phone |
| 17:16.40 | stoned | let me know if you wanna check out mutt |
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| 17:17.04 | vkolchev | stoned, for texting to phones I use viber |
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| 17:17.19 | vkolchev | stoned, proprietary, though |
| 17:17.29 | stoned | is it a linux app? |
| 17:17.49 | vkolchev | stoned. has official debs and rpms, it has both mobile and desktop clients |
| 17:17.51 | n4dir | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:17.54 | stoned | i dunno a viber. gmail recieves all the google voice text messages, easy to reply from mutt. it's just email. |
| 17:18.00 | stoned | I see. |
| 17:18.04 | stoned | let me check it out |
| 17:18.37 | vkolchev | stoned, it is mainly for mobile and your number gets tied to acc (actually serves like an acc), it's like whatsapp |
| 17:18.47 | stoned | my mobile cell #? |
| 17:18.52 | vkolchev | stoned, yes |
| 17:18.54 | stoned | I don't give that out to anyone. |
| 17:19.03 | stoned | At all. That's why I use the googly moogly |
| 17:19.12 | vkolchev | stoned, then it is useless for you |
| 17:19.17 | stoned | Indeed, sir. |
| 17:19.27 | stoned | Great suggestion, I may tell others about it |
| 17:19.29 | stoned | ty |
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| 17:20.29 | stoned | Maybe I can give viber my google voice numbeR? |
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| 17:20.36 | stoned | anyway. nevermind here. |
| 17:20.47 | stoned | vkolchev: you want gui mail cilent or you okay with cli? |
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| 17:22.11 | vkolchev | stoned, need gui, checking claws now |
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| 17:28.36 | n4dir | vkolchev: don't forget the plugins, in case you miss something. |
| 17:28.58 | vkolchev | n4dir, okay. seems to work for me, but ugly as hell)) |
| 17:29.51 | n4dir | kde user? |
| 17:30.19 | n4dir | if you consider that ugly you haven't seen ding, xedit or such yet ... |
| 17:30.53 | n4dir | looks like all my other apps, hence i assume you use kde ... |
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| 17:32.31 | vkolchev | n4dir, no, use gnome mainly and xfce, but with gnome 3 claws looks pretty outdated |
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| 17:33.23 | n4dir | ah. Well, as far it's me gnome3 is outstanding ugly. to each his own |
| 17:34.12 | vkolchev | n4dir, true) |
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| 17:34.26 | n4dir | not sure if you can remove the menu, so it looks a bit more like gnome ... muah muah muah ... |
| 17:34.35 | n4dir | :-) |
| 17:34.54 | n4dir | vkolchev: why not stick to thunderbird? |
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| 17:35.42 | vkolchev | n4dir, I will ,I think. Initial question was about icedove instability, but I will probably end up downloading Thunderbird and installing it manually |
| 17:36.02 | vkolchev | n4dir, icedove is okay and satisfies me fully, but segfaults for me |
| 17:37.53 | n4dir | ah. i see. |
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| 17:48.21 | jhutchins | n4dir: Any idea what triggers the segfault? |
| 17:48.31 | jhutchins | Er vkolchev ? |
| 17:48.44 | n4dir | :-) |
| 17:49.39 | vkolchev | jhutchins, well, no, didn't have anything in terminal (started it from there to see the output) except the segfault. It uses to segfault for me as I click from mail to mail. Randomly. |
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| 17:52.14 | jhutchins | vkolchev: That can't be a common behavior, enough people use it that it would make more noise. |
| 17:52.59 | vkolchev | jhutchins, sure, that's what I thought, so I decided to file a bug, even given that I couldn't provide any significant information on why it segfaults. |
| 17:53.05 | stoned | everything gooey is ugly! |
| 17:53.09 | stoned | cli is beautiful. |
| 17:53.11 | stoned | just text. |
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| 17:54.18 | stoned | vkolchev: try midori browser and kmail pop3 (great client) |
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| 17:54.57 | stoned | http://sylpheed.sraoss.jp/en/ |
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| 17:55.03 | stoned | vkolchev: syklpheed too |
| 17:55.16 | jhutchins | vkolchev: 3,160 google results for "icedove segfaults". I'm guessing there's a common error with lots of triggers that icedove/thunderbird just doesn't handle certain errors well. That's consistent with what I know of mozilla's code. |
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| 17:55.20 | Rembo | hello everyone i have g++-4.4 and g++-4.9 installed on my debian system, now 4.4 is set as default, how can i set 4.9 as default g++ ? |
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| 17:56.51 | dStruct | hey all, if I have a .deb hard linked to libssl1.0.0 (which is not part of Jessie), is there an easy way to bypass the requirement and see how it works with libssl1.0.2 ? |
| 17:57.00 | vkolchev | jhutchins, I guess so |
| 17:57.17 | vkolchev | vkolchev, Thunderbird, however, works ok |
| 17:57.26 | jhutchins | Rembo: ls -l `which gcc` |
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| 17:58.24 | jhutchins | vkolchev: 25,600 results for "thunderbird segfaults". |
| 17:58.43 | Rembo | jhutchins: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Feb 25 2015 /usr/bin/gcc -> gcc-4.9 |
| 17:58.44 | vkolchev | jhutchins, well, it's probably I am lucky with it)) |
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| 18:00.21 | jhutchins | Rembo: I don't know if anything manages that, I would expect it to link through /etc/alternatives, but it doesn't. You might look at dpkg-reconfigure gcc, but you could also just change the link manually. |
| 18:00.50 | jhutchins | Rembo: WHat makes you say it defaults to 4.4? |
| 18:01.28 | jelly | ,v libssl1.0.0 |
| 18:01.29 | judd | Package: libssl1.0.0 on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u20; wheezy-security: 1.0.1t-1+deb7u1; jessie: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u3; jessie-security: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u5; jessie-proposed-updates: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u5; jessie-backports: 1.0.2j-1~bpo8+1 |
| 18:01.45 | jelly | dStruct: what do you mean not part of jessie? |
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| 18:02.13 | jelly | dStruct: which distro and release are you really on? |
| 18:02.21 | Rembo | jhutchins: how can i see wich is the default version of g++ ? |
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| 18:02.44 | n4dir | g++ -v ? |
| 18:03.06 | Rembo | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:03.10 | dStruct | jelly: well from what I can tell libssl1.0.0 is not available where libssl1.0.2 is, with "main non-free contrib" unless I am mistaken? |
| 18:03.19 | jelly | dStruct: which distro and release are you really on? |
| 18:03.28 | dStruct | jelly: Kali Linux |
| 18:03.35 | Rembo | can i use alias or something? |
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| 18:03.37 | petn-randall | !kali |
| 18:03.37 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
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| 18:03.49 | petn-randall | dStruct: ^^^ |
| 18:03.59 | dStruct | petn-randall: yeah thanks, I had no idea what Kali is |
| 18:04.02 | jelly | dStruct: ask your distro's people where to get libssl1.0.0 from a previous release |
| 18:04.25 | jelly | this one is divorced from jessie. |
| 18:04.33 | petn-randall | dStruct: You could at least read it to the end before being snarky about it. |
| 18:05.12 | jelly | dStruct: we use that factoid to point people to #kali-linux channel where they have a chance of getting relevant help |
| 18:05.14 | dStruct | petn-randall: I idle in #kali-linux, and there is never anyone to help with questions like I have, which is why I am asking politely here instead, since it's based on Debian Jessie |
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| 18:05.43 | dStruct | jelly: yes, and I don't mean to be rude but it's the same answer he gave me the last time I asked a question here |
| 18:05.45 | jelly | dStruct: here's a polite answer: you wouldn't have this issue if you had jessie installed. |
| 18:06.00 | dStruct | jelly: thank you |
| 18:06.11 | jelly | it's fucking kali specific, which is why we point you to the kali channel |
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| 18:06.25 | dStruct | jelly: I had read libssl1.0.0 was not in Jessie, and translated that to it not being in Kali's version of Jessie either |
| 18:06.33 | jelly | dStruct: we're not rude, just curt. |
| 18:06.37 | n4dir | if you dentist is ill you go to the mechanic to get help? dStruct |
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| 18:07.00 | dStruct | n4dir: not exactly the same thing, if I were asking a CentOS question, then yes |
| 18:07.21 | jelly | you wouldn't ask a centos question in #rhel |
| 18:07.39 | sruli | jelly: you around? ls /boot |
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| 18:07.59 | dStruct | I'm not sure what's happening to Kali, but their channel is basically dead |
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| 18:08.01 | sruli | jelly: sorry mistype there... |
| 18:08.03 | jhutchins | dStruct: WHat you need to do is actually install Debian, and if you hvae the same problems, we can help you solve them. Then you can take the knowledge you gained from that and if you really want kali, you can try to apply it and hope it doesn't break. |
| 18:08.04 | n4dir | dStruct: well, you won't get any help here. It really is that easy. Don't waste your time discuss it, but spend that time on investigating the problem |
| 18:08.05 | jelly | not yet a round, but getting there |
| 18:08.28 | jelly | n4dir: I think they got it. Move on |
| 18:08.33 | jhutchins | dStruct: You don't take a ford to a chevy dealer because the ford dealer is closed. |
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| 18:08.46 | sruli | in chroot env i am executing update-initramfs -k all -c i get error cannot create new version xxxx: already exists |
| 18:08.53 | demo | I am trying MX Linux live. When I opened this, it directed me to this Debian channel. |
| 18:09.05 | dStruct | n4dir: yes, I did get it, I'm not pushing the issue, just trying to figure out how to bypass a dpkg dependency if that's even possible |
| 18:09.19 | demo | by the way MX Linux and Antix are Debian stable based distros. |
| 18:09.34 | jhutchins | !based on debian |
| 18:09.34 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 18:09.37 | jelly | demo: that happens when a derivative distro doesn't fix their irc client default config files, yeah |
| 18:09.44 | n4dir | a tip: simply don't mention you run kali and don't give any info which reveal it. Or, imho the better approach, just install Debian and be done with it. |
| 18:10.00 | jelly | n4dir: we are going to find out. |
| 18:10.13 | demo | jelly, it doesn't have its own IRC channel, in the first place. |
| 18:10.26 | jelly | n4dir: please don't tell people how to waste volunteer time |
| 18:10.29 | n4dir | jelly: hence i mentioned a better approach |
| 18:10.31 | demo | that is what I feel. |
| 18:10.45 | jelly | demo: might have a forum or other support venue |
| 18:10.59 | demo | ok. I'll check that. |
| 18:11.14 | jhutchins | demo: For smaller projects, there isn't a 24x7 critical mass of users, so an irc channel just doesn't work. You have to use time-shifted resources like mailing lists and forums. |
| 18:11.23 | petn-randall | !mx linux |
| 18:11.25 | dStruct | well my question could be asked as can a hard linked library be bypassed with a dpkg install? If we assume for a second I am on Jessie, is it possible to dpkg -i something that requires something I can't apt-get install |
| 18:11.35 | jelly | petn-randall: /msg the bots |
| 18:11.52 | petn-randall | jelly: I thought I had set up the factoid, my bad |
| 18:11.54 | jhutchins | dStruct: Install Debian, if you have the same question, we'll try to help. |
| 18:12.06 | jelly | dStruct: what does "hard linked" mean? |
| 18:12.08 | demo | But, I must say they have done some really good work to put together a Linux distro that is intended for beginners. |
| 18:12.10 | dStruct | jhutchins: I have a debian install on another box, just not this one |
| 18:12.39 | demo | and the fact that it is based on Debian stable is another good feature of it. |
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| 18:14.37 | demo | I chose to try that, basically because it is based on Debian Stable. |
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| 18:15.20 | petn-randall | demo: If you ever happen to install Debian, feel free to drop by and ask questions here. |
| 18:16.09 | demo | actually, I have Debian Stable installed on my laptop. On the HDD. Just trying this live usb of MX 16. |
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| 18:19.05 | jhutchins | Perhaps we should question whether Debian's irc clients should be pre-configured in the first place. |
| 18:19.32 | jelly | yes they bloody should have sane defaultsw |
| 18:19.45 | jelly | bloody well* |
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| 18:20.03 | zykotick9 | isn't clear why people install things that are "based on debian", while debian actually exists?!?! |
| 18:20.07 | jelly | you want upstream defaults, go back to EL :> |
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| 18:20.45 | jelly | zykotick9: debian does not offer immediate gratification and the learning curve is problematic |
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| 18:23.16 | jelly | also your fancy new cheap hardware probably won't all work on debian ootb |
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| 18:28.08 | n4dir | if i had a distro based on debian i would probably do a chroot/debootstrap and check my problems of said distro there. If they exist there, i got a debian-related problem, else not. Well: in many cases, probably not always |
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| 18:28.33 | sruli | jelly: since that /bin/bash replacement last worked, i rebuilt (reinstalled) the system and cannot get it to work, when i put my script in /bin/bash i get kernel-panic errors while booting booting |
| 18:28.38 | n4dir | or VirtualBox, or qmeu/kvm, or whatever |
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| 18:34.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | is there a command to remote-diff via ssh? |
| 18:35.34 | n4dir | diff what? |
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| 18:35.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | files⦠what else |
| 18:35.49 | n4dir | anyway, you could sshfs mount and then diff |
| 18:35.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, or copy the file |
| 18:36.12 | n4dir | the question was diff local remote files or diff remote remote files |
| 18:36.14 | n4dir | rsync |
| 18:36.26 | n4dir | rsync to copy the files |
| 18:36.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | local/remote without changing any |
| 18:36.52 | n4dir | sshfs is neat, as it is more easy to avoid errors. at least for me. now i am used to rsync, but it sure is not that easy |
| 18:36.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | same size⦠|
| 18:37.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, but I didn't really want to do that |
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| 18:38.04 | n4dir | so, what you want to do is "ssh user@remote diff local_file remote_file ? |
| 18:38.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 18:38.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | something like vimdiff file remotehost:file |
| 18:39.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | I saw I copied the file but I wasn't sure if any of either versions was modified |
| 18:39.15 | n4dir | and why not sshfs? |
| 18:39.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | too much overhead |
| 18:39.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | it was a single file |
| 18:39.46 | n4dir | then have fun searching for a solution |
| 18:39.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | I just wondered if there was a better way of doing it |
| 18:40.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | rsync should have been able to do it , but ⦠couldn't find it in options |
| 18:40.19 | n4dir | -u probably |
| 18:41.11 | n4dir | if it was me i would prefer to be safe, overhead or not. either sshfs or rsync the remote file back and diff locally (or rsync the local file and diff remote) |
| 18:42.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | I just sshd in and looked at file sizes⦠but that just seemed like something not uncommon⦠|
| 18:42.57 | n4dir | -u rsync only if the remote file is elder, not accessed (in plain words, the man page puts it a bit weird) |
| 18:43.20 | n4dir | shaky ground, this way or the other. |
| 18:43.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | pretty sure some editors like emacs can/should be able to do it⦠but not on my system, so I guess needs some extension installed |
| 18:43.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well |
| 18:44.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | thanks |
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| 18:44.33 | TomTomTo1 | CutMeOwnThroat: the stupid trivial way? <difftool> localfile <(ssh henryk@localhost 'cat remotefile') |
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| 18:46.12 | Rembo | i'm getting /usr/bin/g++ is not a full path to an existing compiler tool. |
| 18:46.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, you're right⦠but I never use that type of redirection in bash |
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| 18:49.14 | n4dir | TomTomTo1: Ta-da. thanks |
| 18:51.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | TomTomTo1, ah, found it⦠if you want to know the really stupid way, it's vimdiff file scp://user@remotehost/file |
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| 18:54.33 | TomTomTo1 | that's neat. can't do that with regular diff :/ |
| 18:55.44 | n4dir | TomTomTo1: what kind of redirection is the <(ssh ...) ? |
| 18:56.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | "process substitution" |
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| 18:56.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | I kinda knew/know it exists⦠but it's still a pretty obscure bash feature for me |
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| 18:58.38 | n4dir | had that in mind too, but was not sure ( here-documents and what not are also a bit obscure to me, at least right now. Hence i was not sure what exactly it is). Thanks CutMeOwnThroat |
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| 19:03.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | so⦠extra points for who can name the emacs syntax⦠pretty sure emacs can do that remote, too :P |
| 19:03.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | starts looking |
| 19:03.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh⦠there: https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/Remote-Files.html |
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| 19:05.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, only that only prints "Waiting for prompts from remote shell..." |
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| 19:05.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | wait, why is this "spacemacs" |
| 19:07.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, because it first tries ftp |
| 19:07.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | eeeek |
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| 19:08.33 | MACscr | im using armbian, so i dont really expect support here, but thought i would still at least ask. If my onboard wifi isnt working anymore after a kernel update and its not even showing as a device, how do i know know the name of the module that might need loaded, etc? arm doesnt have lspci |
| 19:09.08 | steakwipe | last time i used ambien i woke up outside |
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| 19:10.24 | jelly | MACscr: maybe try #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net |
| 19:10.38 | mollox | Hi, I use Firefox on a debian server from a Linux mint client over Xorg connection and I get full HW accell .. but I have tried the same setup archlinux/ubuntu/gentoo (Server) and my Linux mint does not use HW accell .. does anybody know how debian makes this work correctly ? |
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| 19:13.31 | MACscr | jelly thanks |
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| 19:16.53 | verumnost | can someone tell me why I am getting disassociated when using hostapd but If I add "-d" which is nonsense, everything works fine ? |
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| 19:18.15 | teraflops | I cannot believe what you say |
| 19:19.05 | verumnost | teraflops: me ? |
| 19:19.21 | teraflops | yeah, it sounds crazy |
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| 19:20.23 | teraflops | verumnost: not calling you crazy, it's just -d is for debug |
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| 19:25.35 | verumnost | teraflops: how can I prove it :D |
| 19:25.41 | verumnost | it's crazy I know |
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| 19:26.02 | teraflops | verumnost: I believe you |
| 19:26.17 | verumnost | I am running it on a RPI 3 -> sudo /usr/sbin/hostapd /etc/hostapd/hostapd.conf |
| 19:26.48 | verumnost | so when it starts -> Failed to create interface mon.wlan0: -95 (Operation not supported) -> wlan0: Could not connect to kernel driver |
| 19:27.19 | verumnost | blabla ... wlan0: AP-ENABLED and when I connect with a device, it says disassociated |
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| 19:27.47 | verumnost | then I tried to execute sudo /usr/sbin/hostapd /etc/hostapd/hostapd.conf -d and worked fine :( |
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| 19:29.33 | verumnost | maybe it's the client |
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| 19:33.24 | treaki__ | hi folks |
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| 19:33.38 | treaki__ | i am trying to set up a network boot system after the guide found in the debian |
| 19:34.19 | treaki__ | https://wiki.debian.org/PXEBootInstall#Set_up_DHCP_server |
| 19:34.27 | shazzr | I am a longtime ubuntu user....I miss ifconfig. Any alternatives? |
| 19:34.27 | treaki__ | and https://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/amd64/ch04s05.html.en |
| 19:35.37 | treaki__ | i have download the complete ftp directory completely as given in ftp://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ and copied that to my tftp root |
| 19:35.41 | stew | shazzr: /bin/ip should do everything ifconfig did and way more |
| 19:35.46 | treaki__ | but it lookes like there are some files missing |
| 19:35.51 | teraflops | shazzr: huh? |
| 19:36.14 | treaki__ | right now i am trying (after setting firewall rules and dhcp options so that the connection can be established) |
| 19:36.22 | treaki__ | to boot from an system |
| 19:36.34 | treaki__ | but from the tftp perspective it lookes like something is missing |
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| 19:38.18 | treaki__ | some output from syslog after adding tftp parameter -vv : https://paste.debian.net/hidden/675e5d38/ |
| 19:38.26 | treaki__ | i would apprichiate any help |
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| 19:43.20 | R0b0t1 | Hello, I need a more recent version of qemu for better EFI support. I tried to follow the instructions here: http://serverfault.com/questions/22414/how-can-i-run-debian-stable-but-install-some-packages-from-testing. When running `apt-get install qemu/testing` I get the following: https://bpaste.net/show/d249d658cdec |
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| 19:45.12 | somiaj | R0b0t1: we will not support that. |
| 19:45.17 | somiaj | !dontbreakdebian |
| 19:45.17 | dpkg | dont break debian is, like, https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 19:45.26 | somiaj | R0b0t1: you should NOT mix stable and testing, you must use jessie-backports |
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| 19:45.55 | somiaj | ,v qemu-kvm |
| 19:45.57 | judd | Package: qemu-kvm on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.1.2+dfsg-6+deb7u12; wheezy-security: 1.1.2+dfsg-6+deb7u19; wheezy-backports: 1:2.1+dfsg-12+deb8u5a~bpo70+1; jessie-security: 1:2.1+dfsg-12+deb8u6; jessie: 1:2.1+dfsg-12+deb8u6; jessie-backports: 1:2.7+dfsg-3~bpo8+2; stretch: 1:2.8+dfsg-1; sid: 1:2.8+dfsg-1 |
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| 19:46.13 | somiaj | since you can get 2.7 from jessie backports there is even less of a reason to install it form testing |
| 19:48.15 | n4dir | you should not mix stable and testing ; should be read like "you must not". Never ever. It is close to a golden rule ... :-) |
| 19:48.25 | R0b0t1 | somiaj: I'll go have a look at that. It seems like qemu 2.7 is in jessie-backports. |
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| 19:49.15 | somiaj | mix all you like, just dn |
| 19:49.22 | somiaj | just don't expect any support from your install |
| 19:49.26 | somiaj | !frankendebian |
| 19:49.26 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 19:50.05 | R0b0t1 | somiaj: What about the case where something is not in jessie-backports? Based on how I have previously used Gentoo, this seems like a relatively safe thing to do as long as the dependencies are scanned for something like the kernel or desktop environment (which is, really, only a problem if you don't want to be running a testing system branded as stable). |
| 19:50.20 | R0b0t1 | I ask because it's a matter of interest - it is the reason I switched to Gentoo away from Ubuntu/Debian. It was easier to just have everything be bleeding edge. |
| 19:50.29 | n4dir | Gentoo is Gentoo. Debian is Debian. |
| 19:50.34 | somiaj | R0b0t1: you will have to create you own backport (i.e. build it from source) |
| 19:50.38 | n4dir | !dpkg-buildpackage |
| 19:50.38 | dpkg | [dpkg-buildpackage] a program in the dpkg-dev package that builds .debs from source. "aptitude install fakeroot devscripts dpkg-dev build-essential" and run 'dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot' in the source directory. Ask me about <package recompile> <debian/rules> <source>. |
| 19:50.39 | R0b0t1 | Well, yes... |
| 19:50.45 | somiaj | !tell R0b0t1 about ssb |
| 19:50.51 | R0b0t1 | somiaj: That's what I feared. |
| 19:51.06 | somiaj | R0b0t1: you can either build it from debian packages, or just build the source from upstream and install it locally. Debian supports that too. |
| 19:51.33 | R0b0t1 | somiaj: That's what I was doing until I accidentally remade portions of portage for my local system :-) |
| 19:51.34 | somiaj | note depending on the software this can be anywhere from as easy as running a few autmoatic build scripts, to having to backport and build multiple dependencies -- some things just should not be backported. |
| 19:51.36 | n4dir | Or you can upgrade to either testing or sid, assuming you feel up for the task or haven't got good reasons not to do it |
| 19:51.49 | somiaj | R0b0t1: stow or check-install is a good way to manage installs in /usr/local |
| 19:52.10 | somiaj | stretch is almost frozen and will be releasing so its biggest draw back now is lack of security support (though there are still rc bugs floating around) |
| 19:52.31 | R0b0t1 | n4dir: I might - per the linux stackoverflow post, testing appears pretty stable. On Gentoo the ~arch packages (unstable) are also relatively stable. |
| 19:53.04 | somiaj | R0b0t1: lack of security support is the biggest down side to testing at the moment (due to the freeze) |
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| 19:53.21 | somiaj | right after the release, testing/unstable are a whole different beast. |
| 19:53.38 | n4dir | R0b0t1: like with anything the opions on the matter differ. As far it's me testing or unstable are stable enough to run them daily. |
| 19:53.39 | R0b0t1 | alright |
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| 19:54.16 | n4dir | only keep in mind the one rule : don't mix stable with anything but backports. |
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| 19:54.43 | n4dir | that is the one version which is a pain in the ass, a path to disaster. |
| 19:54.52 | somiaj | I would also suggest against mixing testing/unstable during the freeze if you plan to stabalize with stretch (my suggestion to those who are running stretch) |
| 19:55.10 | somiaj | though during development, mixing is sometimes needed to get things to work in testing/unstable. |
| 19:55.30 | tomcres | is it also not safe to mix oldstable with stable to get older libs? |
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| 19:55.47 | n4dir | no clue :-) |
| 19:55.56 | Iridos | mostly not |
| 19:56.11 | Iridos | it's as far apart as stable and testing |
| 19:56.21 | somiaj | tomcres: not supported. But depending on the libs / software, it is far less harmful for a few select things. |
| 19:56.22 | tomcres | I haven't had any problems yet, but my printer driver unfortunately depends on libtiff4, which is only in oldstable |
| 19:56.41 | Iridos | it's really always an "it depends" |
| 19:56.49 | tomcres | OK |
| 19:56.52 | Iridos | leaf packages are pretty safe, as they can only themselves break |
| 19:57.08 | somiaj | yea lots of times things depend on libc and other things with >= than, so it isn't as bad and some things will work, but there could be bugs and mixing is not supported. |
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| 19:57.30 | Iridos | libs usually not⦠but if there's no newer version of the same lib and so nothing uses them⦠*shrug* |
| 19:57.40 | somiaj | I think I had an old xroach binary from sarge or something like that. |
| 19:57.43 | tomcres | <â¦commenting out the oldstable lines from sources.listâ¦> ;-) |
| 19:57.47 | somiaj | that sat around my systems from a long time |
| 19:58.29 | somiaj | tomcres: since oldstable versions are strictkly less than stable, having that there doens't do much and won't automatically install from there. But overall it isn't really needed |
| 19:58.34 | Iridos | I feel that in principle it'd be the job of the dependency system of making mixing anything with anything ok⦠sadly it ain't so |
| 19:59.14 | somiaj | it is all those pesky shared libaries, I think ubuntu was toying with static linked packages. This allows far more ease of mixing (like windows) and way, way bigger packages. |
| 19:59.34 | shazzr | stew: Thanks. I'll give it a try. |
| 19:59.47 | R0b0t1 | Iridos: Even Gentoo's portage has rather large edge-cases where it can't do anything, but it does have a system for "mixing oldstable and stable." |
| 20:00.18 | sruli | how can i make my console in a vm bigger? i need to see the output further up (want to see why script hangs) |
| 20:00.33 | somiaj | sruli: shift + pageup doens't work? |
| 20:00.35 | R0b0t1 | Err, not trying to advertise. It's just manages the .so.* extensions and their dependencies for you, and nothing, as far as I can tell, is ever removed. |
| 20:00.54 | sruli | somiaj: no, i beleive the system hangs during that script, i want to see why |
| 20:01.10 | Iridos | ⦠and setting the dependencies is the sole responsibility of the packager⦠it's much too easy to mess that up |
| 20:01.28 | Iridos | but I've been thinking for that off and on for quite a bit and I can't really think of a way to make it a lot more robust |
| 20:01.28 | R0b0t1 | yep! |
| 20:01.41 | somiaj | sruli: oh hangs the whole system. Is this a vm thta just loads into a tranditional console? What viewer are yo uusing (vnc?) you may have to change grub and boot with some parameter to set the display of the console. |
| 20:02.04 | Iridos | maybe we'll have a docker or so container for each software in the future⦠:-/ |
| 20:02.05 | somiaj | sruli: this is usually done more automatically with kvm drivers and not the old system of setting it in grub. So unsure of the details on how to set console resolution anymore |
| 20:02.33 | somiaj | sruli: the other option is to pipe the output of the script to a file with something like './script 2>&1 > logfile' and then just read the log |
| 20:02.38 | sruli | somiaj: it hangs the vm, i added GFX_MODE=1024x768 but did not make a difference, what kvm drivers are you refering too? |
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| 20:03.05 | R0b0t1 | somiaj: https://bpaste.net/show/5e13ecfd11b0 - when trying to use jessie-backports. `apt-get install qemu/jessie-backports` |
| 20:03.11 | somiaj | sruli: kvm = kernel video modeswitching, most drivers use this and not the traditional graphics driver you would set with FGX_MODE |
| 20:03.19 | somiaj | R0b0t1: apt-get -t jessie-backports install qemu-kvm |
| 20:03.42 | R0b0t1 | Oh hah it needs the first version installed. My apologies, just tried them one after another |
| 20:03.51 | somiaj | sruli: but I'm unsure on how to use this to set the display. I think it tries to set this from the EDID of the attached monintor and I don't know of any way to just set the resolution it boots up into. |
| 20:04.20 | somiaj | R0b0t1: in general when installing jessie-backports it is safest to first install the jessie package, then upgrade it to the jessie backports version with 'apt-get -t jessie-backports install packagename' |
| 20:04.40 | somiaj | R0b0t1: This way you get all the dependencies from jessie and then only upgrade the needed components to jessie-backports |
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| 20:05.49 | n4dir | Iridos: did you try shellcheck.net for the script ? or set -e ? or add exit here and then, to figure out when, where exactly it hangs? set -x probably won't help to figure it out. |
| 20:05.55 | R0b0t1 | somiaj: Makes sense. But how do I access the newly installed version? Running qemu with `qemu-kvm` has been deprecated (unless Debian supplies a binary, which it seems not to) and `qemu-system-x86_64 -version` returns 2.12. |
| 20:05.58 | R0b0t1 | 2.1.2* |
| 20:06.09 | n4dir | though i would probably do what somiaj proposed (redirecting the output to a file) |
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| 20:06.54 | n4dir | that is: i wouldn't focus trying to figure out how to get the output to the terminal, but focus on what is wrong with the script ... |
| 20:08.05 | treaki__ | allright i have figguered it out, lookes like that i had to also extract the tar.gz archive |
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| 20:08.47 | treaki__ | also lookes like ive got a time to live (ttl) problem with tftp, maybe its not as good to runn that on seperated broadcast domains, but it is working |
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| 20:09.44 | somiaj | R0b0t1: I use virsh via libvirt to manage my vms. some use virt-manager. I think you can still run qemu directly, but unsure on those details and let libvirt take are of it |
| 20:10.19 | treaki__ | https://paste.debian.net/908302/ |
| 20:10.34 | treaki__ | lookes like it takes a lot of tryes to get a stable connection the first time |
| 20:10.54 | treaki__ | maybe its the router, maybe its the network crad rom, maybe its the tftp server |
| 20:11.10 | treaki__ | normaly the ttl should be enough to pass one router but not with tftp ;( |
| 20:11.30 | treaki__ | but after you have waited 1 minutes for any progress it is working even after a reboot |
| 20:11.54 | treaki__ | maybe the router figguered out that time how to act correctly with the pxe rom... |
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| 20:15.23 | sioux_ | hi i have HP proliant with RAID 1. When i boot USB with debian 8 netinstall not detect de storage. How can i resolve this? |
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| 20:17.38 | sioux_ | hi i have HP proliant with RAID 1 with hardware. When i boot USB with debian 8 netinstall not detect de storage. How can i resolve this? |
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| 20:19.01 | R0b0t1 | sioux_: Everyone read it. Can you describe how the storage is not detected? |
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| 20:20.27 | sioux_ | Robby: so sorry, but i don´t write that RAID 1 way of Hardware. |
| 20:21.15 | R0b0t1 | You have a descrete raid controller? |
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| 20:21.19 | R0b0t1 | dis* |
| 20:21.25 | sioux_ | R0b0t1: so sorry, but i don´t write that RAID 1 way of Hardware. When list disk to create partition dont show the disk, only USB drive |
| 20:21.48 | R0b0t1 | oh, no problem. |
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| 20:22.26 | R0b0t1 | sioux_: Unfortunately I don't have much advice, but if it is hardware RAID you may have to check to make sure it is enabled in your BIOS. You might also try to ask in #linux. |
| 20:22.40 | R0b0t1 | (there's more people active) |
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| 20:23.09 | sioux_ | R0b0t1: yeah, i have config the raid 1 and selected the hard disk |
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| 20:24.23 | R0b0t1 | sioux_: if it still doesn't show up to your operating system you might try disabling hardware raid and setting up software raid, which reportedly has better results and is easier to recover in case of an error. |
| 20:24.50 | R0b0t1 | in other words: the hardware might be at fault, but unfortunately I know of no way to check besides seeing if it appears to the OS (that's why I suggested asking in #linux) |
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| 20:28.02 | R0b0t1 | somiaj: interestingly qemu-* are the right version, but qemu-system-* are not... recommendations of what to look for are welcome, otherwise, I'll keep poking |
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| 20:30.16 | treaki__ | hi again |
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| 20:30.41 | treaki__ | what can i do to disable the detection of other operating systems while bootloader installation? |
| 20:31.24 | treaki__ | i have an old windows on that disk that i need to backup this year somethimes but till than it shouldnt be bootable by mistake |
| 20:31.44 | treaki__ | (cause its windows xp and not secure anymore and there are maybe private data included) |
| 20:32.00 | Pavr | you could take a look in /etc/grub.d |
| 20:32.27 | treaki__ | its i386 arch |
| 20:32.33 | treaki__ | default installation |
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| 20:35.37 | Pavr | looks like if you set if GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=true in /etc/default/grub it would disable the prober script that discovers windows installations |
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| 20:37.01 | treaki__ | allright, Pavr, can i do that while installation or just after first boot |
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| 20:41.58 | Pavr | Don't know. |
| 20:42.35 | treaki__ | ok ill try.. |
| 20:43.20 | Pavr | I don't think you can during the install. but if you disable it after boot and run the update-grub program it will make a new menu file without running the os-prober script from /etc/grub.d |
| 20:43.43 | phogg | treaki__: you should be able to switch to VT2 during the install and after the disks are detected and mounted make arbitrary changes to the system. Might be tricky to get in between the install grub step and the umount step. |
| 20:44.11 | phogg | doing it afterwards is much simpler |
| 20:44.45 | treaki__ | i guess i just have to wait for tasksel to install it and do it before/while the selection of the boot medium (sda or something else question) |
| 20:45.29 | Pavr | is it important to do it during install? Are you batch installing on windows xp's machines? |
| 20:45.39 | treaki__ | thanks for the advice phogg, have though about something like that to..., ill try and if you are interested in tell you how/if it did worked afterwards... |
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| 20:45.42 | R0b0t1 | treaki__: to clarify - Windows won't boot by accident |
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| 20:46.38 | treaki__ | R0b0t1, yes but maybe some dumbass sitting before my keyboard is trying to boot it while seeing my system boot, and i want to prevent somebody loughing, haha youve still got an win xp running,... |
| 20:46.39 | Pavr | unless you have it on another disk drive and you mess up the boot order in your BIOS |
| 20:47.04 | treaki__ | i have disabled anything in the bood configuration but first hdd in the bios... |
| 20:47.25 | Pavr | tbh just do it afterwards. trying to do it while installation is just making things harder then it needs to be. |
| 20:47.26 | R0b0t1 | wellll I don't mean to dismiss your concerns but I'd propose the better idea is to prevent anyone from doing that to your system if you're worried about it |
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| 20:58.26 | armin | hm, is there a command i can use to identify the monitor connected via displayport on a linux computer? |
| 20:58.59 | DarinMiller | armin: try xrandr from the terminal |
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| 21:00.07 | armin | DarinMiller: that doesn't tell me about the model name. i'm on a system where i can't look behind the monitor right now. :) |
| 21:00.44 | toruvinn | armin, im almost sure the model is logged in XOrg.log but that's kinda meh way of getting that |
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| 21:24.32 | jhutchins | Erreur32: Your display configuration utility probably shows the model, Xorg.0.log should as well (does for me). |
| 21:24.53 | jhutchins | armin: Your display configuration utility probably shows the model, Xorg.0.log should as well (does for me). |
| 21:25.13 | jhutchins | Erreur32: No idea how I picked up your nic, sry. |
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| 21:39.02 | AciD` | when I try to apt dist-upgrade my system, dpkg fails since it encounter a i/o error when trying to open the file that contains the file list for the libqca2-plugin-ossl:amd64 package. Since trying to fix that btrfs error is not possible right now (I keep getting segfault there), do you see a way to circumvent that problem? |
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| 21:44.14 | missmbob | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:44.14 | dpkg | drinks a glass of salty water, sticks his fingers down his throat and throws up that package? which doesnt seem to be a package in debian all over missmbob and kiki`... |
| 21:44.37 | missmbob | oh i mistyped it. it does exist |
| 21:45.23 | AciD` | well, when I do dpkg tries to access the faulty file and the i/o error is shown |
| 21:45.31 | abrotman | or create the filelist, with a crap file from /tmp |
| 21:45.39 | AciD` | I was thinking about manually modifying it |
| 21:45.55 | AciD` | abrotman -> could you please elaborate? |
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| 21:48.25 | AciD` | `apt install --reinstall libqca2-plugin-ossl` also trigger that nasty i/o error |
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| 21:51.11 | cathy_ | Anybody here that can help me with what I think is a grub issue? |
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| 21:53.03 | mtn | !ask |
| 21:53.04 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 21:54.50 | cathy_ | I installed Fedora on my sda, with well-running Debian on sdb. No longer boots to Debian although it appears in the boot menu. |
| 21:55.07 | mtn | cathy_: errors? |
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| 21:55.34 | cathy_ | I complicated matters by installing Ubuntu on sdb as well. All show on the boot menu, but Debian won't boot |
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| 21:55.56 | mtn | cathy_: you could repair the debian grub, so debian controls the booting |
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| 21:56.23 | cathy_ | when I try rescue mode I end up on a command line. I can get in as root, but don't know how to fix my griub |
| 21:56.31 | cathy_ | YES!! |
| 21:56.55 | cathy_ | How do I do that? |
| 21:57.37 | mtn | cathy_: you choose the debian partition in the rescue mode. the command is grub-install /dev/sda. assuming you are booting sda first. is this a legacy boot or efi boot? |
| 21:58.05 | cathy_ | is legacy-uefi according to the BIOS. |
| 21:58.22 | mtn | cathy_: ok, then that should work, I think |
| 21:58.45 | cathy_ | okay, going offline to try it. rebooting. |
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| 22:01.49 | zuiss1 | is there any benefits in installing systemd from jessie-backports instead of the one in jessie? |
| 22:01.50 | mrrhq | As far as I know, GRUB only needs to be installed to the hard disk you're booting off of, at the very least. As long at the version of GRUB you're can detect all the boot devices it shoud be fine. Does every partition need to have a "boot" flag enabled on it for GRUB to use it? |
| 22:01.56 | zuiss1 | (v215 vs 230) |
| 22:02.42 | mtn | mrrhq: none of them do |
| 22:03.27 | mtn | zuiss1: usually you only use backports if you need to do so. is something fixed in that version you need? |
| 22:03.27 | mrrhq | zuiss1: I'm not an expert on systemd, so I couldn't tell you. |
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| 22:05.35 | zuiss1 | i just thought it might be like the linux kernel where each release isn't just about features, but improvements and more security, etc |
| 22:05.37 | mrrhq | mtn: There may have been cases where update-grub doesn't work 100% of the time, though. |
| 22:06.04 | mrrhq | I heard GRUB in Jessie/stable may not have support for NVMe drives yet. |
| 22:06.07 | mtn | mrrhq: "may have"? |
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| 22:07.05 | mrrhq | I'm not sure. I haven't used update-grub or grub-install in a long time. :p |
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| 22:07.56 | m3k | I am running xfce. How do I tell lightdm to start on another tty than tty7? |
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| 22:13.01 | mtn | m3k: see if lightdm has a config file. also, read the lightdm entry on the arch wiki |
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| 22:15.48 | m3k | mtn: okay |
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| 22:19.49 | ytrezq | Hello, does anyone have an idea on how to use Miracast on Linux http://superuser.com/q/1160078/282033 ? |
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| 22:22.17 | Iridos | zuiss1, well, very likely yes, else it wouldn't be in backports⦠but if you don't know what they are, they're also pretty likely not YOUR reasons |
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| 22:24.43 | Iridos | but iirc, packages have been rejected from backports if the software didn't really offer anything additional⦠|
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| 22:26.34 | eth0D0wn | greetings |
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| 22:28.30 | zuiss1 | ok |
| 22:28.46 | zuiss1 | i heard virtualbox isn't going to be in debian 9 |
| 22:28.58 | zuiss1 | that kind of sucks |
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| 22:29.47 | tx | zuiss1: seems so |
| 22:29.49 | tx | https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox#Debian_9_.22Stretch.22 |
| 22:29.50 | Namidairo | what do you know, there's no stretch package |
| 22:30.05 | themill | zuiss1: virtualbox hasn't been in Debian since Wheezy. It's not free software. |
| 22:30.24 | zuiss1 | it's in debian 8 in the contrib repo |
| 22:30.32 | zuiss1 | themill: |
| 22:30.47 | themill | contrib is not part of the Debian release |
| 22:31.02 | zuiss1 | well now it's not going to be there either is what i meant |
| 22:31.08 | zuiss1 | nor in non-free |
| 22:31.14 | themill | It's hard to care about non-free software. |
| 22:31.26 | zuiss1 | well popcon says a lot of people care about it |
| 22:31.51 | themill | then they need to get upstream to make it so that it can be fixed |
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| 22:31.59 | zuiss1 | not starting a debate on free vs nonfree software. just pointing out that a lot of people are going to be disappointed or have to download debs directly from oracle |
| 22:32.50 | mtn | zuiss1: it is still in sid, so wait and see what happens |
| 22:33.03 | zuiss1 | oracle is stubborn and i don't blame debian. it just sucks |
| 22:33.06 | zuiss1 | mtn: ok |
| 22:33.06 | TomTomTo1 | it will most likely be available through backports soon after release. |
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| 22:33.27 | themill | It's completely unsupportable software. Having people realise this is important. |
| 22:33.51 | zuiss1 | doesn't backports mean the package is in testing? i thought a package can't be in testing unless it was eventually going to be in stable |
| 22:35.06 | tx | zuiss1: oracle / the virtualbox project have their own deb repo |
| 22:35.28 | tx | I do not see what the big deal is, it's just not being maintained in debian any more, probably because of its non-free status |
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| 22:35.44 | tx | Let's check packages.qa |
| 22:36.23 | themill | There's no way of doing security support for virtualbox. |
| 22:36.54 | zuiss1 | maybe i will try to set up something in kvm but as a novice it sounds confusing compared to virtualbox |
| 22:37.39 | R0b0t1 | zuiss1: it's not too hard |
| 22:37.40 | tx | https://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2015/08/msg00011.html |
| 22:37.45 | tx | yeah |
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| 22:38.12 | tx | There are a few kvm / libvirt gui's |
| 22:38.29 | R0b0t1 | zuiss1: See the debian page, it's quite easy; some of the more advanced features can be annoying (e.g. I have normal tap networking set up, but apparently it doesn't work for wlan devices). |
| 22:38.45 | R0b0t1 | Some stuff you would think is complicated, like PCI-device pass-through, is hilariously simple. |
| 22:38.47 | themill | (virtualbox is completely without security support in Jessie too fwiw) |
| 22:39.41 | zuiss1 | R0b0t1: is there a shared clipboard feature between host and guest? |
| 22:40.18 | themill | zuiss1: when using spice to connect to the VM, yes |
| 22:40.31 | R0b0t1 | zuiss1: Yes. You need a serial driver in the guest, and the various qemu interfaces send clipboard data through it. |
| 22:41.00 | zuiss1 | ok i'll try it out. maybe i can just use kvm in the next release |
| 22:41.19 | R0b0t1 | zuiss1: Fedora has an .iso of all drivers you will need for Windows. They're included in most Linux distributions. You can boot to Windows without these drivers, but for better network and graphics performance you need them |
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| 22:41.46 | R0b0t1 | (Unsure of your target, but it's helpful information.) |
| 22:41.50 | zuiss1 | thanks |
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| 22:48.08 | awal1 | #794466 |
| 22:48.09 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/794466 in src:virtualbox (open, sid, stretch): «Virtualbox might not be suitable for Stretch»; severity: critical; opened: 2015-08-03; last modified: 2016-12-18. |
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| 22:48.57 | awal1 | "99% sure" vbox will not be in stretch |
| 22:50.27 | awal1 | for share stuff host-guest "spice-vdagent" |
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| 23:19.52 | FrostyBytes | the "standard" live images have which desktop environment on them? or none at all? |
| 23:20.05 | missmbob | gnome |
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| 23:21.20 | FrostyBytes | ok wicked why is standard smaller than xfce then? is the xfce live image include gnome as well? |
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| 23:22.32 | n4dir | i am not so sure that there is something like a standard debian live at all ... |
| 23:22.51 | FrostyBytes | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
| 23:23.02 | n4dir | ah, that one: debian-live-8.6.0-i386-standard.iso.torrent ? |
| 23:23.17 | FrostyBytes | by the size of it you would think standard has no DE at all |
| 23:23.20 | TomTomTo1 | the ones marked standard have no gui. |
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| 23:24.08 | FrostyBytes | so which is the most popular DE of those available as live? |
| 23:24.17 | n4dir | i seem to recall live-helper/live-builder had an optiont like "standard", that's probably where the name comes from ... |
| 23:24.19 | ffs | can apt packages have complicated dependencies? like, "i require *EITHER* foo or bar?" |
| 23:24.31 | FrostyBytes | ffs: yes |
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| 23:25.04 | ffs | FrostyBytes, is there a good place to read up on apt? manpages are really not the cleanest introduction |
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| 23:27.11 | n4dir | ffs: http://debian.org |
| 23:27.29 | n4dir | ups: documentation has quite a few "books". most of them are installable, iirc. |
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| 23:29.11 | ffs | what keywords should i look for to see the details about logical disjunctions? lots of the text seems to focus on hard requirements (conjunctions) only |
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| 23:32.03 | FuZi0N | Thoughts on Fedora VS Debian? |
| 23:32.10 | steakwipe | one is a hat |
| 23:33.21 | ffs | is that virtual packages? like i can have FOO provide BAZ, BAR provide BAZ, and then have X depend on BAZ? |
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| 23:34.36 | ffs | and, if so, how does the system decide whether it ultimately installs FOO or BAR if i tell it to install X ? |
| 23:34.36 | FrostyBytes | Fedora=good for surfing the web, checking email, development work, a bit of gaming Debian=same deal |
| 23:35.12 | FrostyBytes | ffs: it guesses |
| 23:35.19 | ffs | FrostyBytes, based on what? |
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| 23:35.26 | FuZi0N | FrostyBytes: which one do you prefer and why? |
| 23:36.02 | ill1 | Hello, I'm having trouble uninstalling xflux / fluxgui . I can't uninstall through apt-get remove, and i can't seem to find the files for them anywhere. can anyone help with this? |
| 23:36.21 | FrostyBytes | I prefer Gentoo because it gives %100 control over the system |
| 23:37.17 | n4dir | you probably mean packagemanagement |
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| 23:42.02 | ffs | FrostyBytes, anyway, in case you're wondering, it seems like it first tries to satisfy all non-virtual dependencies, and then for whatever's left it prioritises most packages that show up earlier in the list of allowed architectures, and among those selects them from whatever order PkgIterator gives it in the source code. so basically it's a greedy algorithm |
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| 23:43.37 | FrostyBytes | greed is good |
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| 23:45.20 | ffs | sometimes, but what if i make a package called AAAAA with a billion dependencies that provides a popular virtual package? |
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| 23:46.32 | FrostyBytes | ffs: your package would be rejected by the mainstream debian community. in fact, they may even reject all your future work, regardless how good it is |
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