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| 00:01.14 | chibadays | Because today in a course we weren't able to switch to ipv6 unless putting the ipv4 lines of /etc/network/interfaces below the ipv6 lines. |
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| 00:02.29 | CeBe | chibadays: I usually have ipv6 below ipv4 so that should not have caused any difference |
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| 00:03.24 | chibadays | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:03.55 | CeBe | I am not saying that it does not work for me in different order though :) |
| 00:05.51 | missmbob | CeBe: i've run into probles where you needed to have ipv6 after |
| 00:05.55 | missmbob | problems* |
| 00:06.10 | CeBe | what kind of problems? |
| 00:06.41 | missmbob | CeBe: some routers wouldn't respond to 4 if 6 had already been requested |
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| 00:07.25 | CeBe | okay, but that is external to the system. so both would be configured on your system correctly just the router does not understand it, right? |
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| 00:07.47 | chibadays | CeBe: Ok, but we literally had to put the lines concerning iv4 below the ipv6 lines to make it work. We had been experimenting with quagga and some custom routing, before. So that's where we supposed the mistake, but in the end it was the order of those lines. *sigh* |
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| 00:08.10 | missmbob | CeBe: 4 would hang and not receive an ip |
| 00:08.51 | CeBe | hm ok |
| 00:09.50 | missmbob | CeBe: this https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/IPv6#IPv6_on_Comcast |
| 00:10.12 | chibadays | Maybe I should fill a bugreport?! |
| 00:11.13 | chibadays | ...because the order shouldn't matter, but apparently it does. |
| 00:11.21 | CeBe | missmbob: I see so that is dhcp related |
| 00:11.35 | CeBe | chibadays: could you paste your file? |
| 00:11.42 | missmbob | sure. you can call dhcp from interfaces file |
| 00:12.03 | CeBe | missmbob: yeah all fine :) |
| 00:12.24 | CeBe | it basically does not affect my setup with static ips |
| 00:12.30 | CeBe | so I do not need to worry |
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| 00:13.48 | chibadays | CeBe: It's on the "training-laptop", which is quite far away from me now, but I will be spending the day tomorrow in front if it ;-) From 9:00h am on. |
| 00:14.11 | CeBe | which timezone? :) |
| 00:14.25 | chibadays | Europe/Berlin |
| 00:14.30 | chibadays | :-) |
| 00:14.34 | CeBe | k |
| 00:15.10 | CeBe | not sure if I'll be there but there are others that may be able to help |
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| 00:15.45 | chibadays | Anyways, thanks a lot. Maybe text some of you tomorow ;-) |
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| 01:03.54 | KingsQuest | hello |
| 01:04.09 | tomcres | hello |
| 01:04.11 | KingsQuest | is debian better than ubuntu in stable and non-stable and untested ? |
| 01:04.53 | KingsQuest | it is legal for me to download non-free iso |
| 01:05.00 | tx | depends and yes |
| 01:05.02 | KingsQuest | where can i find it on web ? my google is messed up |
| 01:05.06 | KingsQuest | it is |
| 01:05.15 | tx | https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 01:05.33 | tx | is probably what you are looking for. |
| 01:05.37 | Noah0504 | Those aren't net-install only, are they? |
| 01:05.58 | tx | yeah they are :( |
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| 01:06.11 | Noah0504 | That's what I always use, but not sure that's what he wants though. |
| 01:06.14 | tx | https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
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| 01:06.23 | tx | the live DVD's have a non-free firmware alternative though |
| 01:06.34 | tx | and you can install from them, so eh |
| 01:06.46 | Noah0504 | Good to know. :) |
| 01:07.06 | KingsQuest | can you convert a 8.6.0 non free alternative to the united states mirror ? |
| 01:07.13 | KingsQuest | after installing |
| 01:07.28 | tomcres | sure. just change the mirror in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:07.29 | Noah0504 | KingsQuest: Do you have a good Internet connection? |
| 01:07.35 | KingsQuest | yes |
| 01:07.42 | KingsQuest | my download is very slow |
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| 01:08.06 | Noah0504 | If you use the first link posted, you'll download the net-install image. If you install from that, it will download all of the packages needed. |
| 01:08.20 | KingsQuest | i like that idea |
| 01:08.25 | Noah0504 | You can pick your mirror before installation and you'll have a fully up-to-date install after. |
| 01:08.27 | KingsQuest | does it include a live installer ? |
| 01:08.33 | KingsQuest | the debian-nonfree |
| 01:08.41 | Noah0504 | No live install, but it has a graphical install. |
| 01:08.48 | KingsQuest | okies |
| 01:08.50 | Noah0504 | You'll just select it from the menu after you boot. |
| 01:09.15 | tx | the second link I posted is a live DVD |
| 01:09.21 | tx | which will boot into the GUI and also allows installation |
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| 01:12.01 | tomcres | I'm not too familiar with the Live DVD. Is it suitable also to use as a rescue/utility disc? |
| 01:12.10 | tx | yes! |
| 01:12.18 | tx | It boots you up into a live environment. |
| 01:12.20 | bazhang | why not a live usb |
| 01:12.25 | tx | With a GUI and everything. |
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| 01:12.42 | tomcres | awesomeâ¦I'm going to keep it on USB to have "just in case" :-) |
| 01:12.45 | bazhang | you could even make it a usb with persistence if you wished |
| 01:12.45 | tx | bazhang: because they are ISO files and we are using CD/DVD to differentiate image sizes :P |
| 01:12.56 | tx | at least I am :( |
| 01:13.06 | tx | Come on, nobody _actually_ still uses optical media do they. |
| 01:13.07 | bazhang | there's no persistence on optical media |
| 01:13.08 | tx | I haven't in years. |
| 01:13.32 | dvs | raises hand |
| 01:14.05 | bazhang | pendrivelinux.com has ways to do it tomcres |
| 01:14.08 | tx | I'd need to go to my cupboard and get my BDDVD drive out to read anything. |
| 01:14.27 | tomcres | do I need to run isohybrid on it, or can I dd it as is? |
| 01:14.37 | tx | the iso files can be dd'd. |
| 01:14.47 | tx | (they are already hybrid) |
| 01:14.47 | tomcres | cool. thanks |
| 01:15.03 | Noah0504 | tx: Sometimes it comes in handy. :) Mostly on the stupid Windows machines I have to fix at work |
| 01:15.27 | tx | I have windows 7/10 installers on a USB though. :P |
| 01:15.27 | Noah0504 | However, optical media is mostly dead. |
| 01:16.01 | Noah0504 | I just hate having to use that stupid Windows USB Install creator. I haven't found a better way. |
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| 01:16.42 | tx | you can just format it NTFS and copy the files over lol |
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| 01:16.44 | tx | it will work |
| 01:16.57 | Noah0504 | Hmm... I can't believe I haven't tried that. |
| 01:17.02 | Noah0504 | I'll do it tomorrow! |
| 01:17.08 | tx | assuming it is formatted on windows |
| 01:17.15 | tx | I haven't tried after formatting with gparted or whatever. |
| 01:17.25 | Noah0504 | I would do it on Windows. |
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| 01:19.55 | scokovski | Hi, found this guide and I thought I could apply it to a Debian Openbox system, but I was wrong... |
| 01:19.57 | scokovski | https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php?title=Openbox:_Switch_languages_using_the_keyboard_and_xxkb |
| 01:20.17 | scokovski | There doesn't seem to be a /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-keyboard.conf in Debian. |
| 01:20.32 | Noah0504 | You can just make that file. |
| 01:20.48 | Noah0504 | If they tell you what to add. |
| 01:21.27 | scokovski | It does, but only for the part which is relevant to this, so it seems that there are other settings in there. |
| 01:21.40 | scokovski | In the guide it says: In section "InputClass", after the line Identifier "system-keyboard", add the lines |
| 01:21.53 | scokovski | So, if it mentions a specific section, there must be others. |
| 01:24.00 | Noah0504 | Hmm... I think the local X11 config for your user will be under /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/ |
| 01:24.06 | Noah0504 | See if the file you need is there. |
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| 01:25.35 | ytrezq | Hello, does anyone have an idea on how to use Miracast on Linux http://superuser.com/q/1160078/282033� |
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| 01:28.11 | KingsQuest | SHENMUE 900 days never happened in the history of the United States. on any server ! |
| 01:28.36 | KingsQuest | anyone know where i can get netinstall image ? |
| 01:28.42 | KingsQuest | with graphics |
| 01:28.54 | Noah0504 | KingsQuest: The first link that was posted earlier. |
| 01:28.59 | KingsQuest | thanks |
| 01:29.11 | Noah0504 | When it boots, it will have install and then graphical install. |
| 01:29.44 | Noah0504 | Just select graphical with your keyboard. |
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| 01:46.40 | gry | hi! I am trying to type in an audio track in k3b, in an audio cd project. it types latin characters ok, but types no characters when I press a keyboard key in cyrillic layout. what may I do, please? i asked #kde, but have not got a response so far. thanks in advance. |
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| 01:51.36 | tomcres | gry yeah, I can't get it to work either. Very odd |
| 01:52.43 | tomcres | I wonder if CD-TEXT supports non-ASCII characters. Maybe that's the restriction. |
| 01:53.56 | tomcres | Just checked the Wikipedia article for CD-TEXT. It looks like Cyrillic isn't supported. |
| 01:54.03 | KingsQuest | that is iso9660-9 |
| 01:54.17 | KingsQuest | for iso |
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| 02:12.31 | nmschulte | how can I use aptitude (in interactive mode, or otherwise I guess) to allow resolution w/o installing e.g. a held package? |
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| 02:19.29 | Lady_Aleena | Greetings and salutations... |
| 02:19.35 | tomcres | hello |
| 02:20.26 | Lady_Aleena | reminds self there is an offtopic channel so goes there. |
| 02:20.31 | ytrezq | Hello, does anyone have an idea on how to use Miracast on Linux http://superuser.com/q/1160078/282033� |
| 02:21.47 | nmschulte | this looks bad: [ 6894.399241] systemd[1]: segfault at 1 ip 00007f8984bce496 sp 00007ffee6c79f68 error 4 in libc-2.24.so[7f8984b4e000+195000] |
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| 02:22.03 | nmschulte | during an aptitude update... do I reboot? |
| 02:22.33 | Lady_Aleena | Anything new about Debian I might need to know which happened in the last several months? |
| 02:22.34 | tomcres | I don't think you need to reboot. What happens if you issue another `aptitude update`? |
| 02:22.37 | LtL | nmschulte: no |
| 02:22.46 | nmschulte | systemd is non-respond |
| 02:23.17 | nmschulte | oh, aptitude is continuining |
| 02:23.50 | nmschulte | invoke-rc.d: initscript udev, action "restart" failed. |
| 02:23.55 | tomcres | systemd should respawn itself if I'm not mistaken |
| 02:24.35 | nmschulte | it may have... |
| 02:24.55 | nmschulte | is this normal systemd upgrade procedure? i didn't realilze that was updating, I need to pay more attn I guess |
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| 02:27.18 | tomcres | I'm surprised that it segfaulted during an update unless there's something else going on in the background. |
| 02:27.19 | nmschulte | it looks like something may have been asking for a password/phrase, related to udev? |
| 02:27.31 | nmschulte | I am in an X session, yeah. |
| 02:27.45 | nmschulte | was just installing google-chrome to get at its bits... |
| 02:30.01 | tomcres | Maybe a reboot isn't a bad idea just to make sure that systemd has all of its parts running correctly. |
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| 02:30.17 | nmschulte | okay, aptitude finished |
| 02:30.52 | nmschulte | udev needs configured yet |
| 02:30.58 | nmschulte | but it needs systemd running I suppose |
| 02:31.42 | tomcres | udev is part of systemd now, so if systemd is having problems, udev might not be working |
| 02:31.52 | johnkeates | welcome to systemd hell |
| 02:31.53 | nmschulte | okay, taking the plunge. |
| 02:32.18 | nmschulte | REISUB... |
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| 02:51.50 | nmschulte_ | what's the quickest way to setup network boot from another debian install on the LAN, so I can rescue mode via debian instller? |
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| 03:29.31 | GenTooMan | Argh I have been trying to update using synaptic but it seemed to always lock up when reading change logs. So I ended up using the cli as root, that's a bit frustrating. |
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| 04:01.55 | nmschulte_ | What are the .efi bins in the netboot/ directory of the installer for? |
| 04:02.07 | nmschulte_ | Do I need them for PXE via UEFI, or is UEFI irrelevant at that point? |
| 04:02.17 | nmschulte_ | They are not included in the netboot.tar.gz blobs. |
| 04:03.22 | Duser | just curious if anyone here is using the rtl8723be wifi driver? |
| 04:04.42 | nmschulte_ | I lied; it is in the netboot.tar.gz. |
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| 04:06.05 | KingsQuest | oops |
| 04:06.06 | KingsQuest | sorry |
| 04:06.09 | KingsQuest | wrong channel |
| 04:08.00 | KingsQuest | i use lilo when my root is JFS and it works. and i install the non-free firmware to break selinux and that works to for me. i'm pleased with debian as a product. |
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| 04:56.00 | nmschulte_ | What... awk isn't available in the rescue environment?! |
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| 05:06.10 | dsjackins | s |
| 05:06.44 | dsjackins | anyone have any idea why my wifi turns off after about 10-15 minutes whenever i use my laptop? and then the only way i can get it reconnected is by rebooting |
| 05:07.12 | somiaj | dsjackins: do you see any errors/messages in demsg after it turns off? |
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| 05:08.19 | dsjackins | i'll check once it turns off in a bit here |
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| 05:09.46 | redrabbit | hi |
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| 05:10.06 | redrabbit | on lxde, when can i setup power management |
| 05:10.28 | redrabbit | there is no option to shutdown the screen after x minutes only on battery |
| 05:10.49 | redrabbit | where* |
| 05:11.15 | GPenguin | redrabbit: thats hidden in the config of the window manager |
| 05:11.44 | GPenguin | (i think) |
| 05:11.59 | redrabbit | in "preferences"? |
| 05:12.07 | GPenguin | yes |
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| 05:13.01 | redrabbit | what's the element in the menu to pick |
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| 05:15.37 | GPenguin | redrabbit: well. should be in the menu / preferences / screensaver |
| 05:15.48 | redrabbit | ok |
| 05:16.07 | redrabbit | there is no option regarding battery or a/c power |
| 05:16.44 | nmschulte_ | Okay, I can't seem to resolve this systemd seg-fault in libc issue I'm having; can't boot. |
| 05:16.52 | redrabbit | anothing thing, when i use screensaver to turn the monitor off |
| 05:16.54 | nmschulte_ | Anyone able to lend a hand, I'd appreciate it. |
| 05:17.12 | redrabbit | when i gets back its back to default brighness |
| 05:17.18 | redrabbit | its not kept :/ |
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| 05:19.49 | GPenguin | i remember that you had to do some things in lxde manually via a terminal to get some useful features running |
| 05:21.02 | GPenguin | there is also #lxde on irc.oftc.net |
| 05:21.30 | GPenguin | there is the debian wiki and the lxde wiki |
| 05:21.35 | redrabbit | theres a chan here as well |
| 05:21.44 | redrabbit | is it more active out ther |
| 05:21.56 | GPenguin | have not tried them |
| 05:23.25 | redrabbit | i had to make a script for screen brightness too |
| 05:24.09 | redrabbit | xbacklight was erratic and i had to configure xbindkeys to be able to change via the keyboard |
| 05:24.21 | redrabbit | are other light DE less trick ? |
| 05:24.23 | redrabbit | y |
| 05:24.31 | redrabbit | like xfce or mate |
| 05:24.43 | redrabbit | never tried them on a laptop, only desktop |
| 05:26.22 | redrabbit | GPenguin: what package should i install to enable sound on my old laptop ? |
| 05:26.51 | redrabbit | its almost antique gear, so i can't use something that pump juice |
| 05:27.09 | redrabbit | id rather stay sound-less if thats the cast |
| 05:27.11 | redrabbit | e |
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| 05:29.36 | alamak | Hi |
| 05:29.42 | redrabbit | xfce4-mixer i guess |
| 05:29.45 | redrabbit | hi |
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| 05:39.02 | Old_Dog | I've logged in on my LMDE2 Betsy install, and found that NONE of the Base (Jessie) repositories are reachable. That seems so highly unlikely that I suspect I must be doing something wrong. Any ideas, or suggestions? |
| 05:41.33 | GPenguin | redrabbit: honestly, i dont know any more details |
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| 06:03.56 | Old_Dog | I've logged in on my LMDE2 Betsy install, and found that NONE of the Base (Jessie) repositories are reachable. That seems so highly unlikely that I suspect I must be doing something wrong. Any ideas, or suggestions? |
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| 06:13.56 | jmcnaught | Old_Dog: this is probably something you'll need to ask about in a LMDE2 support channel |
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| 06:15.09 | jmcnaught | !lmde |
| 06:15.09 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
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| 06:31.51 | WorkdIrc | hello all |
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| 06:32.19 | WorkdIrc | i just have a question if you please is there a way to secure an IRCD on Debian ? |
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| 06:47.49 | NickNo1 | Hi, how do i install debian with a "--force-badname"-option ? |
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| 06:54.41 | jmcnaught | NickNo1: what do you mean? |
| 06:55.35 | NickNo1 | Hi, how do i install debian with a "--force-badname"-option to install with a uppercase Username ? |
| 06:56.19 | jmcnaught | NickNo1: is the Debian installer giving you an error when you try to include an uppercase character in a username? |
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| 06:57.57 | NickNo1 | jmcnaught if you dont know you distribution never mind answering... on question you are not able to answer... |
| 06:58.33 | jmcnaught | NickNo1: i'm asking you for more context because your question isn't clear, but it's fine if you don't want my help. |
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| 06:59.31 | NickNo1 | jmcnaught, instead give people with the knowledge the opportunity to answer.... |
| 06:59.38 | NiceasIce | jmcnaught did you get all the updated ? |
| 06:59.58 | NiceasIce | just try this apt-get update |
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| 07:00.06 | NiceasIce | and then apt-get upgrade |
| 07:00.20 | jmcnaught | NiceasIce: you must mean someone else |
| 07:00.21 | NiceasIce | and that should install the new pakages |
| 07:00.37 | NiceasIce | nope i mean you |
| 07:00.54 | NiceasIce | any ways so sorry if i stepped in like that |
| 07:01.05 | zxcvbn | NickNo1: 'force-badname' should be an option for 'adduser' command, not for debian installer |
| 07:01.59 | zxcvbn | NickNo1: you can install debian as usual and then add custom alias to your commands |
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| 07:03.34 | jmcnaught | "how do i use adduser's --force-badname in the debian installer? i am getting $ERROR when i try to enter $FOO." |
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| 07:03.55 | jmcnaught | is an example of asking a clear question that is still concise |
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| 07:09.08 | NickNo1 | I see, how do i install debian with a uppercase Username then , if you dont know , please keep it silent so i dont miss the answer... |
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| 07:18.57 | jmcnaught | NickNo1: if the installer is giving you a hard time about it, don't create the account in the installer. after the installation, log in as root, use adduser to create the account with whatever options you want |
| 07:20.23 | NickNo1 | jmcnaught, thanks for your advice, but i am not looking for a workaround.... , this is not helping me, okay ? |
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| 07:21.46 | jmcnaught | you'd be done installing Debian by now if you didn't get stuck on this non-issue. best of luck. if you don't like the help you can always go somewhere else :) |
| 07:22.40 | NiceasIce | jmcnaught question is there a way i can secure an IRcd on Debian or keep my VPS safe ? |
| 07:23.11 | NickNo1 | I am personally in need to install debian with a uppercase "Username", directly...with no workaround by addding a User aferward, thanks, but please keep it silent and give knowledgeable people with experience give the answer..., dont interfere anymore, please... ! |
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| 07:24.48 | jmcnaught | NiceasIce: securing an IRC daemon will be the same on Debian as on any distro. if you have a more specific question someone might have an answer, but you will likely have better luck in the channel for whatever IRC daemon you're using |
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| 07:27.00 | jscoder | This program called TheBrain (thebrain.com) created a directory in my home dir that contains a single file, and even doing rm -rf as root, it keeps coming back |
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| 07:27.24 | jscoder | I've uninstalled the program but its lockfile won't delete |
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| 07:29.19 | jmcnaught | jscoder: you're sure the program didn't leave anything behind? |
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| 07:31.13 | NickNo1 | jscoder, as far as i remember there used to be a special switch maybe for "chown" or "chmod" or another command that would enable you to delete any file, even files root is not allowed to delete. ! |
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| 07:31.20 | jscoder | jmcnaught: it was installed to /usr/local/thebrain which is gone and I dont see any unusual processes |
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| 07:31.36 | jscoder | NickNo1: oh it deletes it.. it just keeps coming back |
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| 07:32.09 | jscoder | when I use caja it shows it in the trash, and when I use rm -rf as root it disappears from caja.. it just comes back either way |
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| 07:32.14 | jmcnaught | jscoder: what is the file in question? Did the program install any services units or init scripts? cron tasks etc? |
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| 07:32.52 | jscoder | jmcnaught: its an ascii text file called brain.lock.db |
| 07:33.13 | CrazyTux | hi jscoder. |
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| 07:33.31 | jscoder | #FileLock #Fri Jan 13 02:23:33 EST 2017 id=159967c65687b77bcfa44dca74ac09903f650f003fe method=file |
| 07:33.39 | jscoder | those are the 4 lines in it |
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| 07:35.55 | awal1 | jscoder, shift-delete ? |
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| 07:36.34 | jscoder | awal1: yeah. its not that, its deleting it, its just coming back right after it deletes it |
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| 07:38.30 | awal1 | you may have something of that program somewhere, probably in your home dir, not removed |
| 07:38.42 | NickNo1 | this is hilarious, Knoppix 3.4 offerd uppercase Usernames... back in 2004... but debian is not allowed to ? |
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| 07:39.07 | jscoder | you'd certainly think so.. but I dont see it |
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| 07:41.01 | NiceasIce | its was nice talking to all of you am going to bed |
| 07:41.11 | NiceasIce | good night every one |
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| 07:57.29 | awal1 | jscoder, checked in .config, .cache, .local/share? |
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| 08:09.30 | SunOS | hello , i`m using debian 7 |
| 08:09.38 | SunOS | how can i update to debian 8 |
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| 08:10.50 | jelly | dpkg, tell SunOS about wheezy->jessie |
| 08:11.38 | SunOS | 10x |
| 08:12.29 | jelly | SunOS: you can ask the bot about other stuff in private, eg. /msg dpkg release notes |
| 08:12.40 | jscoder | awal1: yeah there's nothing in there |
| 08:12.53 | SunOS | ;) |
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| 08:15.48 | awal1 | jscoder, sounds like a nsa trojan :P |
| 08:16.22 | awal1 | nah, just a joje; try rm via tty, after log out from X |
| 08:16.26 | awal1 | joke |
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| 08:17.08 | jscoder | awal1: yeah clamav did turn up some trojans.. |
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| 08:17.56 | jscoder | awal1: PUA.Win.Trojan.Xored-1 though I'm not taking that too seriously |
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| 08:20.14 | awal1 | jscoder, personally, I only install from debian repos, even if that makes me missing "something" sometimes; if really really needed i run x third party stuff only in vm |
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| 08:21.53 | jscoder | awal1: yeah, well the trojan thing is in firefox's cache |
| 08:22.18 | jscoder | this is a fresh install I just did last night.. clamav was just being overzealous |
| 08:22.18 | awal1 | good news |
| 08:23.00 | jscoder | I just installed that brain software to check it out, I haven't used it in over a decade. not a whole lot seems to have changed |
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| 08:24.17 | jscoder | I'm gonna reboot and delete every f'n thing.. heh |
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| 08:24.50 | jscoder | well.. everything except the sawfish config I'm gonna backup now |
| 08:25.07 | awal1 | you may try to have the habit of testing stuff in vm first |
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| 08:25.44 | jscoder | awal1: yeah well hindsight is 20/20 |
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| 08:28.25 | jscoder | yeah I'm gonna go down to runlevel 1 and delete the whole homedir, then bring it back up |
| 08:28.58 | CrazyTux | which is the best virtualization package available for linux? |
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| 08:29.14 | CrazyTux | I mean, that can be installed in Linux OS? |
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| 08:32.17 | jmcnaught | CrazyTux: my favourite is libvirt and KVM |
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| 08:32.57 | CrazyTux | ok |
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| 08:45.49 | jscoder | doh.. just realized I had more stuff I should've backed up :-P |
| 08:46.56 | jscoder | forgot about my virtualboxes.. oh well. I have the vdi files backed up |
| 08:47.08 | zxcvbn | jscoder: how is your file, is it deleted now? |
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| 08:47.26 | jscoder | yeah I deleted the whole homedir |
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| 08:48.09 | jscoder | I forgot I installed 3 guest OSes though.. |
| 08:48.12 | zxcvbn | maybe you should restore homedir :) because bad process still can be up and running, it just cant create that file |
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| 18:26.44 | mishehu | greets folks. I'm trying to set up pacemaker (1.1.15 which *might* be from backports) on jessie. corosync seems to launch, but `sudo systemctl start pacemaker` or `sudo systemctl start corosync` will hang. I'm using a config for corosync from our old centos machines running pacemaker 1.1.12, and no errors occur though corosync stops & it reports service failed. Nothing in logs. I do see that this |
| 18:26.50 | mishehu | always launches though: `/bin/systemd-tty-ask-password-agent --watch`. can anybody advise? |
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| 19:44.47 | zram | is there a way to turn off COW in debian based distros? |
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| 19:47.22 | jhutchins | zram: COW? |
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| 19:47.54 | zram | jhutchins yea - the fs thing that uses up 1/2 the ram in live mode |
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| 19:48.06 | zram | jhutchins I think it is the dirty cow thing |
| 19:48.07 | jhutchins | mishehu: I would hazard a guess that you have some sort of password "wallet" on the Centos box that isn't present on Debian. |
| 19:50.41 | greycat | That would be a kernel question, right? Set some sysctl thing? |
| 19:50.42 | jhutchins | zram: Dirty Cow shouldn't be a problem with a current kernel on ANY distribution. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_COW https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2016-5195 |
| 19:51.24 | zram | jhutchins - Do all latest live cd's have this kernel? if not, how can I install it on the live cd? |
| 19:52.28 | greycat | sounds like you want to talk to OFTC's #debian-live |
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| 19:53.14 | jhutchins | I believe there have been a couple of point releases since that was fixed, 8.6 live should be fine. |
| 19:53.19 | zram | greycat me? |
| 19:53.31 | zram | okay thanks jhutchins! |
| 19:53.39 | jhutchins | zram: Besides which, it requires a local exploit, so unless you're hacking yourself... |
| 19:54.07 | zram | jhutchins - no that i not why, its becuase the OLD cow eats up 1/2 my ram in live mode |
| 19:54.32 | jhutchins | zram: No, it doesn't. Read the articles. |
| 19:55.23 | greycat | I don't think he is asking about a specific security bug with COW in the name. |
| 19:55.30 | zram | I think it is the cow, another user in another irc helped figure it out... the cow was the culprit... |
| 19:55.32 | greycat | I think he's asking how to disable a Linux feature. |
| 19:55.57 | greycat | I think he may also be extremely confused. |
| 19:56.08 | jhutchins | zram: Don't buy any bridges or development land from the guy who told you that. |
| 19:56.11 | greycat | !free ram |
| 19:56.12 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
| 19:56.23 | zram | well in all the debian based live distro I noticed I couldnt use all the ram space I SHOULD have had available. another user helped me figure out that the ram was being used by the cow fs thing |
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| 19:56.38 | greycat | I think you are talking about cache. |
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| 19:57.51 | jhutchins | zram: The live CDs do not use COW filesystems, those are exotic and experimental. |
| 19:58.03 | zram | greycat: http://pastebin.com/UEnij56q |
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| 19:58.06 | jhutchins | zram: Whoever told you that is either extremely wrong or playing you. |
| 19:58.26 | zram | jhutchins... I dont think they were playing with me - they spent a lot of time trying to help figure it out |
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| 19:59.22 | zram | dpkg I read the 'linux ate my ram thing |
| 19:59.22 | dpkg | zram: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 19:59.29 | zram | what is RTFM? |
| 20:00.00 | zram | and when we did the free -h thing, it said I SHOULD have 6gb avilable for use |
| 20:00.03 | greycat | zram: so, what is the problem you are trying to solve? I see 8 GB of RAM in that pastebin. Does your system have more than 8 GB? |
| 20:00.10 | teraflops | read the fine manual |
| 20:00.15 | jhutchins | zram: Start with the two links I posted above, then google "cow fs". |
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| 20:01.44 | zram | greycat, no that is right, and in the buffer/cache it says 6gb free or something, but then the other guy told me to create a file taht is 4gb (becuase I complain taht even though it SAYS that, if I try to download a file that is say 5gb, it WONT let me, saying i run out of room) and so we created tht 4gb file. adn then the live cd said: 0 bytes disk space etc, and it stopped acreating that file t some 3.7 |
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| 20:02.23 | greycat | You tried to download a 5 GB file into a tmpfs, or what? Where were you trying to put it? How did you download? With wget, curl, or a graphical web browser that uses /tmp? |
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| 20:03.08 | jhutchins | zram: The ramdisk on a live CD doesn't use the full RAM available. It's part of the "used" portion you see there. |
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| 20:03.20 | greycat | Oh, another "live" "feature". :-/ |
| 20:03.26 | greycat | Talk to #debian-live in OFTC. |
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| 20:03.54 | zram | I dont know hwo to get to OFTC ... btw please know that i am a VERY average computer user - very new to linux |
| 20:04.00 | jhutchins | zram: As greycat suggests, they can explain the specific details to you. |
| 20:04.12 | jhutchins | !oftc |
| 20:04.12 | dpkg | OFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. http://www.oftc.net/ See also <freenode>, <oftc move> and <fact sharing>. |
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| 20:04.27 | tomcres | try typing /server irc.oftc.net |
| 20:04.36 | jhutchins | Thanks tomcres |
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| 20:05.14 | zram | got in = thank you! |
| 20:05.33 | jhutchins | zram: Good luck. Don't worry, things are working the way they're supposed to. |
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| 20:10.00 | zram | there is no one there... |
| 20:10.11 | zram | 70 people, but no one is active |
| 20:10.22 | jhutchins | zram: Be patient. |
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| 20:10.26 | zram | okay |
| 20:10.29 | greycat | The specialist channels may require more patience. |
| 20:10.46 | zram | okay |
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| 20:11.19 | jhutchins | The df -h command will show you how much space you have on the virtual "disk". |
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| 20:12.15 | jhutchins | zram: Some things you could do would be to mount the physical disk(s) and save the file there, or create another RAM disk in the free space that had more room. |
| 20:12.42 | jhutchins | zram: You could also mount an external (usb) disk and save the download there. |
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| 20:13.00 | zram | jhutchins - can I expand the ramdisk that is already created? |
| 20:13.09 | jhutchins | zram: Not easily. |
| 20:13.16 | zram | shrink it? |
| 20:13.38 | jhutchins | zram: Only by reconfiguring the live image, and I'm guessing that's a bit beyond your current skillset. |
| 20:14.05 | zram | Yes |
| 20:14.18 | zram | jhutchins - what im really trying to do is this: |
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| 20:19.15 | jhutchins | zram: Obviously you don't have 5+G of available RAM for a second RAM disk, so that's only a theoretical option. |
| 20:20.05 | jhutchins | zram: A physical internal or external drive is going to be necessary. |
| 20:21.21 | zram | jhutchins - i just want it to be able to use all the ram that the OS doesnt need - so I can use it for what I want. in arch I can use about 5gb or a bit more I think |
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| 20:22.28 | tomcres | !goal |
| 20:22.28 | dpkg | Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is. |
| 20:22.34 | jhutchins | zram: The live image creates a virtual disk in RAM, but leaves other memory free for programs to use. |
| 20:22.55 | jhutchins | zram: If you're downloading a file, it has to stay withinh the size of that disk, which you can see with df -h. |
| 20:23.23 | jhutchins | zram: Nothing is keeping you from using the RAM, it's just limited by the size of the virtual disk. |
| 20:24.00 | jhutchins | zram: Arch just allocates more of the RAM to the virtual disk. |
| 20:24.01 | zram | jhutchin - I know, but in debian, that virtual disk is 1/2 my total ram. I dont want it to sue so much, when it can run on less. When I have a 2gb system, it uses 1gb for virtual disk in ram - so it can run jst fine with 1gb used. but if I have 8gb, it uses almost 4gb for virtualdisk - and I dont want it to use that, so that I can use it |
| 20:24.26 | zram | doesnt arch use less? taht is why I have more space? |
| 20:25.08 | jhutchins | zram: Your arch image is configured to use MORE of the RAM for the virtual disk, that way you have more space availble on the disk, and less for program memory. |
| 20:25.41 | jhutchins | zram: Again, free is not showing space where you could save files. df -h will show you that. |
| 20:25.42 | n4dir | Why do you want to download a file of size 5 Gigs from a live CD at all? And then: why not to the hard disk or anther medium? |
| 20:26.31 | jhutchins | n4dir: Probably because what he's trying to do is not an authorized use of the hardware. |
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| 20:27.48 | jhutchins | n4dir: What kinds of files do you suppose are downloadable and >3GB? |
| 20:28.02 | n4dir | hmm .... seems i lack the imagination. |
| 20:28.24 | n4dir | the only thing i came up with were distro-isos, but i guess i got it now. |
| 20:28.53 | n4dir | tnx |
| 20:29.35 | n4dir | though i still think that your proposal to use a USB stick or such is a quick and easy solution |
| 20:29.42 | zram | Actually no, im tryin gto use lethe |
| 20:29.51 | zram | but lethe makes the distro run like a live |
| 20:30.10 | zram | so whatever fixes this ram thing in the live, should fix it in the install |
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| 20:31.06 | Xz | hi there, I'm looking to spec VPS for debian mysql + apache. Database will contain only couple of tables and apache will serve all that as JSON file. Will 1 core + 256MB RAM be enough? |
| 20:31.20 | Xz | I have no idea about mysql requirements for resources |
| 20:31.41 | jhutchins | zram: There really isn't anything to fix. |
| 20:31.57 | zram | 'work' |
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| 20:33.25 | jhutchins | zram: Do you understand the difference between disk storage and RAM? |
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| 20:33.42 | n4dir | is gto with letze something i should know about? |
| 20:34.48 | jhutchins | Xz: How much traffic do you expect? |
| 20:35.03 | zram | jhutchins - in live versin, the ram is like the disk space - is itnot? that is where I save files, download programs - and dependin on how mcuh ram I have, that is how much I can save, install program etc. |
| 20:35.26 | zram | i know i CAN use a disk stroage, but lets assume I want to use ram instead |
| 20:35.38 | jhutchins | zram: You do not have enough. |
| 20:35.57 | n4dir | the question is why you want to do that. for the interest of science? |
| 20:36.10 | Xz | jhutchins: not much at all, I will have literally 1 phone fetching that JSON 2 times per second |
| 20:37.12 | zram | n4dir - no that is not the question at all... why a person wants to drink 8 galon of water in 1 sec is not he question. the question is - can it be done...??? |
| 20:37.41 | n4dir | the question why bother others with such questions. |
| 20:37.46 | greycat | No. But this has nothing to do with your actual question. |
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| 20:38.22 | jhutchins | Xz: I suspect you would find the RAM a bit tight. |
| 20:38.51 | jhutchins | Xz: I would start with 1G and watch actual usage to see if you can trim it back to 512. |
| 20:39.12 | Xz | jhutchins: 1 core enough for database + apache? |
| 20:39.14 | jhutchins | Xz: Modern Linux is not going to like 256 very well, even in console mode. |
| 20:39.43 | jhutchins | Xz: Should be, but you can always add more. |
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| 20:40.07 | Xz | jhutchins: ok, so highest spec would be 2 cores / 1 GB RAM |
| 20:40.15 | Xz | jhutchins: with possibility of trimming down later on |
| 20:40.31 | n4dir | I ran apache and mysql-apps on a raspberry, forgot the RAM size, sure less than 256. For my needs it was ok, but more sure is better (i guess) |
| 20:40.31 | Xz | jhutchins: that makes sense? |
| 20:40.34 | zram | n4dir - well i do have a reason. an average computer user doesn't really want to spend 4 hours trying to figure how to open ram space for the save of trying to understand how os'es work... :\ |
| 20:40.37 | jhutchins | Xz: I don't think I'd bother with the 2 cores. |
| 20:40.46 | Xz | jhutchins: ok, will go with 1 then |
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| 20:40.57 | Xz | jhutchins: I believe I want low latency at most |
| 20:41.13 | Xz | jhutchins: so anytime phone fetches that JSON file I want it to be delivered quick |
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| 20:41.20 | jhutchins | Xz: That'll be RAM, how much you can run thee DB out of RAM instead of disk. |
| 20:41.44 | zram | Okay - well thank you all for you attemopt to help :) (And there is still no on in the live irc... ) |
| 20:41.55 | Xz | n4dir: did you have any significant latency on RPI? |
| 20:42.19 | n4dir | Ask at the mailing list. That will be fun (they sure are not as friendly as the folks here ... ). zram |
| 20:42.25 | jhutchins | zram: I think there's a mailing list or forum available, for low-population topics that's a better source. |
| 20:42.31 | Xz | jhutchins, n4dir I could set it up on RPI on my router too, but VPS will have so much better internet connection |
| 20:42.46 | jhutchins | zram: There is also http://pendrivelinux.com which has a lot of information on how live systems work and how to configure them. |
| 20:42.55 | n4dir | It's been ages i fooled with liveCD, but i don't think the debian LIve CD is very advanced (it came late to the debian project, etc) |
| 20:42.57 | Xz | jhutchins, n4dir that's why I'm looking into VPS option, at the same time don't want to pay too much per month |
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| 20:43.35 | n4dir | Xz: shame on me, but i don't even know what latency is :-) My only point was a sidenote: it is possible with really low RAM. At least "possible" |
| 20:43.43 | jhutchins | Xz: You could ask the provider what they recommend, but I'd prototype it on a local VM first. |
| 20:43.45 | zram | thankyou both for the references - but which mailing list? nad which forum are you referring to? |
| 20:43.52 | jhutchins | !live |
| 20:43.53 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. See also <live firmware>. Currently you CANNOT install in <UEFI> mode from a Debian Live image. |
| 20:44.08 | n4dir | zram: debian-live has a mailing list. At least had. |
| 20:44.12 | jhutchins | zram: Try those two URLs. |
| 20:44.24 | n4dir | but be warned. tough guys |
| 20:44.44 | zram | ..I think Im getting used to that when askign for help in linux :\ |
| 20:45.06 | n4dir | try antix or refracta. I think they are much in live stuff |
| 20:45.20 | n4dir | try ask there, not try the distros. both based on debian |
| 20:45.41 | zram | n4dir - actually antix DID work well, but it was the only debian distro that didn;t install the program I needed |
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| 20:46.26 | n4dir | why not stick to the arch live, if it does what you need or want? |
| 20:46.33 | Xz | n4dir: latency is the time between you request data from SQL database and you actually get it |
| 20:46.46 | zram | n4dir - again, it doesn't have that 1 program I really need |
| 20:46.48 | Xz | n4dir: in other words it is 'responsivness' or how laggy is it |
| 20:47.03 | n4dir | Xz: i think that was okay, but i use it in the LAN only. I was astonished that it worked at all |
| 20:47.17 | Xz | jhutchins: I'm working with remote developer, so need to have live server |
| 20:47.36 | Xz | n4dir: hah, alright |
| 20:47.38 | jhutchins | Ah. |
| 20:47.40 | Xz | n4dir: thanks for your insights! |
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| 20:48.35 | n4dir | well: my guess is that jhutchins is right with 512 or 1024 at minimum. I really just gave a bit of info (and sure wouldn't say 180 of RAM is perfectly fine ... :-) ) |
| 20:48.52 | abracadaniel | Hey! Im doing a debian install on a desktop computer right now. It has 2 of the exact same disks, Windows is installed on one of them. How do i find out which one contains windows ? :) |
| 20:49.03 | n4dir | can't you upgrade later? start with 512, if it doesn't suffice, upgrad to more? Xz |
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| 20:49.38 | abracadaniel | ah nevermind, i figured it out .. :p |
| 20:49.47 | Xz | n4dir: I think I can |
| 20:49.54 | Xz | n4dir: never had VPS myself, but I don't think it's a problem |
| 20:50.04 | jhutchins | abracadaniel: What's on the other disk? |
| 20:50.10 | Xz | n4dir: just want to start off something that makes sense |
| 20:50.10 | n4dir | abracadaniel: during debian installation, when it comes to partitioning, it should tell you the filesystem of the partitions it finds. NTFS or such is the windows installation. I wouldn't bet on it, i think like that |
| 20:50.21 | Xz | n4dir: and want to be aware of potential bottlenecks |
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| 20:50.54 | abracadaniel | n4dir, thank you! I had just selected guided, where it just showed me a selection of 2 disks. But if i choose manual i can see the actual partitions on the disks :) |
| 20:50.55 | n4dir | to me 512 for a server don't sound bad, but i really got no clue. |
| 20:50.59 | jhutchins | abracadaniel: Windows usually installs on the first device, which would be /dev/sda |
| 20:51.09 | n4dir | ah, abracadaniel cool |
| 20:51.36 | zram | jhutchins - someone just gave me a link! but I dont know what it means - would you know? http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/man7/live-boot.7.html it says you can change the ramdisk on boot |
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| 20:52.06 | n4dir | i think debian and ubuntu do the live thing differently. iirc |
| 20:52.07 | zram | but then it says that Note that this option has no currently no effect when booting toram .... I dont know what that means? |
| 20:52.14 | zram | Oh okay...thanks n4dir |
| 20:52.27 | n4dir | zram: i said i "think". just chat here |
| 20:52.37 | zram | Oh okay... |
| 20:52.50 | n4dir | i would really ask in antix or refracta forum, at least in addition |
| 20:52.55 | jhutchins | zram: ubuntu live != Debian live, as you already know from whatever the other live one was. |
| 20:53.02 | zram | Well I can use ubuntu if it will do the job |
| 20:53.25 | n4dir | probably the better choice, imho |
| 20:53.29 | dm_comp | anyone on debian testing and have flash working ( https://paste.debian.net/908658/ ) |
| 20:54.03 | jhutchins | zram: As you will learn if you go to the pendrive linx site and read up on various live images, some load everything they can to RAM, some run off of the image. |
| 20:54.29 | bluenemo | hi guys. I have an application writing a binary logfile. The logfile is getting rather big and I'd like to udp stream it while it is being written. The idea is that everything appended to the output file "/file" "arrives" at another box via network. any ideas? |
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| 20:54.44 | jhutchins | dm_comp: Might ask in #debian-next on oftc.net |
| 20:54.59 | dm_comp | I did |
| 20:55.02 | jhutchins | dm_comp: It would be better to ask about your actual problem than taking a survey. |
| 20:55.11 | zram | jhutchins - got it ;) |
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| 20:57.11 | dm_comp | jhutchins: if you look at my pastbin line 18 it fails on wget just wondering if Bart Martens still maintains it. |
| 20:57.50 | TomTomTo1 | dm_comp: it has already been reported, no answer yet. |
| 20:57.53 | TomTomTo1 | #851066 |
| 20:57.54 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/851066 in flashplugin-nonfree (open): «flashplugin-nonfree: Mismatch between detected and available versions (Download file not available at people.debian.org)»; severity: important; opened: 2017-01-11; last modified: 2017-01-11. |
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| 20:58.03 | zram | n4dir refractra seeems very much like MX |
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| 20:58.56 | dm_comp | TomTomTo1 judd thanks! |
| 21:00.01 | n4dir | they are at fooling with live CD's since debian-live came to existence. added an installer and a snapshot to remix on live CD's. Long story short: they might have an idea, zram |
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| 21:00.57 | thanatos-inc_ | zram: not surprising, being that a few people from both camps hung out at the same forums. might be that refracta and mx share similar ideas. |
| 21:01.28 | zram | oh okay |
| 21:01.56 | n4dir | they sure know each other from forums.debian, and also hang out in each others forum. as far i can tell. |
| 21:02.14 | n4dir | that is: steal ideas from each other :-) |
| 21:02.43 | TomTomTo1 | dm_comp: meanwhile you could have a look at browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash not sure how well that works on ff. |
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| 21:04.30 | dm_comp | TomTomTo1 : I think I will install chrome, I believe flash player is prebuilt |
| 21:04.47 | TomTomTo1 | dm_comp: yep ^^ |
| 21:05.14 | n4dir | after i exit a chroot i can't umount /media/debian_chroot/dev . Is there a solution? |
| 21:05.45 | JPT | Don't use --rbind to mount it |
| 21:06.41 | thanatos-inc_ | n4dir: can't blame them from borrowing from each other. the distros are both really nice. :) |
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| 21:07.32 | n4dir | JPT: thanks. there was shm and pts mounted in path-to/dev/ Umounting them first worked. |
| 21:08.17 | JPT | I find it easier to use mount -o bind /dev /chroot/dev. It works for all of my use cases and is easy to unmount without consequences |
| 21:08.48 | n4dir | k, JPT thanks |
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| 21:20.09 | x0n | hi |
| 21:20.10 | x0n | :) |
| 21:20.24 | tomcres | hello |
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| 21:28.09 | derdui | !de |
| 21:28.09 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 21:29.32 | JPT | hi :) |
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| 21:32.36 | zuiss1 | anyone know if i can use a newer version of bitlbee in debian stable or am i stuck with version 3.2.2 from 2014 |
| 21:33.01 | tomcres | ,v bitlbee |
| 21:33.02 | judd | Package: bitlbee on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.0.5-1.2; jessie: 3.2.2-2+b1; stretch: 3.4.2-1.1; sid: 3.4.2-1.1 |
| 21:33.11 | tomcres | doesn't look like it |
| 21:33.21 | tomcres | not in backports |
| 21:33.31 | zuiss1 | that sucks 3.2.2 is so old |
| 21:33.36 | zuiss1 | :( |
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| 21:34.40 | greycat | You can compile it yourself. |
| 21:34.47 | greycat | Assuming it's written in a compiled language. |
| 21:34.51 | zuiss1 | is this safe? |
| 21:34.52 | zuiss1 | http://code.bitlbee.org/debian/README.html |
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| 21:36.21 | TomTomTo1 | upstream provides nightly builds for debian jessie. |
| 21:36.26 | tomcres | probably |
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| 21:37.54 | zuiss1 | ok i'll add that repo then thanks |
| 21:38.02 | zuiss1 | i am suspicious of stuff like that usually and try to avoid it |
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| 21:38.26 | TomTomTo1 | you can also try to build 3.4.2 from unstable. |
| 21:38.33 | TomTomTo1 | ,checkbackport bitlbee |
| 21:38.34 | judd | Backporting package bitlbee in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
| 21:38.42 | TomTomTo1 | !tell zuiss1 about ssb |
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| 21:39.41 | zuiss1 | 3.5 was just released though |
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| 21:40.05 | zuiss1 | maybe it will get in sid and i'll do the ssb thing though |
| 21:40.09 | TomTomTo1 | those are your options. pick what you like. |
| 21:40.09 | greycat | A repository of debs that is actually maintained *by* the upstream authors is pretty trustworthy. |
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| 21:40.41 | zuiss1 | c |
| 21:41.47 | tomcres | It's Friday the 13thâ¦what's the worst that could happen? ;-) |
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| 21:42.41 | JPT | You could win the lottery |
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| 21:45.29 | pharatomic | hello all. Could you help me to see the actual printing preview of an a4 file? If i open an a4 file in evince and set 100% scale the page is a smaller size than an actual a4, so is with the print preview. |
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| 21:46.06 | pharatomic | that happens with pdfs |
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| 21:53.46 | jhutchins | pharatomic: So the page breaks don't match? |
| 21:54.51 | pharatomic | jhutchins: everything matches, is just on a smaller scale evwn if at 100% |
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| 21:59.39 | jhutchins | pharatomic: The complexity of managing the scale of a display from a matrix of pixels is pretty difficult. Only high-end publishing software can be calibrated 1:1, and usually that kind of accuracy isn't even considered. |
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| 22:01.14 | pharatomic | i see, i thought it was as easy as "an a4 is x cm wide, let's set the page at that qidth in the preview" |
| 22:01.30 | pharatomic | width* |
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| 22:51.12 | pingouin | is there a way to make ALSA reload everything without rebooting the computer ? Something with systemd ? |
| 22:51.46 | deemel | on boot I get an error that a kernel module failed to load, however the text there is scrolling too fast - can I see that logged somewhere? |
| 22:52.09 | tomcres | you could probably modprobe -r your modules then modprobe them |
| 22:52.27 | missmbob | dmesg |
| 22:52.27 | tomcres | deemel dmesg |
| 22:52.40 | pingouin | deemel: maybe journalctl -b |
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| 22:54.23 | deemel | first already helped, thanks |
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| 23:00.27 | deemel | huh, bluetooth failed to load |
| 23:00.35 | deemel | could be worse, I guess |
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| 23:05.59 | mandeep | when i install the nonfree flash plugin is there anything else i need to do in order for it to show in firefox? |
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| 23:06.32 | tomcres | shouldn't beâ¦do you see it when you visit about:plugins ? |
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| 23:06.45 | mandeep | tomcres: no |
| 23:06.49 | tomcres | hmmm |
| 23:07.05 | bch | hi, when i am doing systemctl restart <service>, does this make use of /etc/init.d/<service> ? |
| 23:07.07 | tomcres | which package did you install exactly? |
| 23:07.30 | mandeep | tomcres: flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 23:08.07 | tomcres | should just work |
| 23:08.11 | mandeep | hmm |
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| 23:08.42 | nodenono | hi there |
| 23:08.52 | nodenono | i'm on debian jessy |
| 23:09.02 | nodenono | i'm having troubles with systemd |
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| 23:09.54 | nodenono | teh execstart statement is correct, but the "server" still doesn't go up |
| 23:10.48 | thurstylark | nodenono: paste the full unit to a paste service |
| 23:10.57 | nodenono | ok |
| 23:11.03 | tomcres | bch I don't believe it invokes those scripts. Instead it relies on the .service or .socket files in the systemd lib directory. I think the stuff in /etc/init.d is just there for compatibility with old scripts. |
| 23:11.54 | nodenono | http://pastebin.com/5hDTXAJy |
| 23:12.14 | bch | tomcres: ok thanks. |
| 23:12.33 | bch | are there any debian/systemd specific docs? i tried the debian handbook but it explains sysvinit. |
| 23:12.50 | nodenono | i'm pretty new to systemd |
| 23:12.50 | tomcres | hmmm... let's try |
| 23:12.52 | tomcres | !systemd |
| 23:12.52 | dpkg | systemd is a system and service manager for Linux, compatible with SysV and LSB init scripts. It is a replacement for <sysvinit>. systemd shipped as a technology preview in Debian 7 "Wheezy" and is the default init system in Debian 8 "Jessie". https://wiki.debian.org/systemd #debian-systemd on irc.oftc.net http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd #systemd on irc.freenode.net. See also <why systemd>. |
| 23:13.11 | peterrooney | ...and yet still not documented. |
| 23:13.55 | nodenono | again, if I exec the execstart command with a shell, it works |
| 23:14.03 | bch | i guess, debian adapted systemd (at least slightly). |
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| 23:14.48 | thurstylark | nodenono: get any useful output to the journal? |
| 23:15.23 | tx | anyone use spacewalk here (on debian or derivatives) |
| 23:15.37 | nodenono | bch: nothing |
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| 23:16.38 | thurstylark | nodenono: is it truly a oneshot? |
| 23:17.34 | nodenono | thurstylark: have no clue: as I said, I'm pretty new |
| 23:17.57 | nodenono | thus Type=simple gives the same results |
| 23:18.09 | nodenono | here's the journal http://pastebin.com/bDc5iht5 |
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| 23:18.51 | nodenono | the exec is a nodejs |
| 23:19.16 | nodenono | forever handles nodejs app as a service |
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| 23:20.09 | nodenono | I gave al asb paths as asked |
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| 23:21.28 | asterismo | hi |
| 23:21.46 | thurstylark | nodenono: try Type=forking |
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| 23:22.09 | nodenono | trying |
| 23:22.17 | asterismo | is there any good in expanding current system entropy with haveged daemon? from 800-900 bits to 4096 bits? |
| 23:22.49 | nodenono | thurstylark: same |
| 23:23.01 | beneter | asterismo: it's good for headless systems ;-) |
| 23:23.13 | nodenono | the status says it's running, but no process is created |
| 23:23.14 | thurstylark | nodenono: try commenting out the ExecStop |
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| 23:23.41 | thurstylark | nodenono: no process is created? how are you testing that? |
| 23:24.15 | nodenono | thurstylark: with a ps aux|grep node |
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| 23:25.35 | nodenono | thurstylark: nothing commenting out th execstop |
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| 23:27.36 | thurstylark | nodenono: I'd check that log file that forever made. |
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| 23:29.21 | bch | tomcres: i tried to find the .service/.socket file for this particular service (quasselcore) but i wasn't able to find anything systemd related. only init scripts. |
| 23:29.28 | nodenono | thurstylark: it says "error: Forever detected script was killed by signal: SIGKILL" |
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| 23:29.49 | nodenono | but why |
| 23:29.55 | tomcres | OK. It may be running in SysV compatibility mode for that service. In that case, yes, it would use the files in /etc/init.d |
| 23:30.17 | bch | ok thanks for your help! |
| 23:30.35 | thurstylark | nodenono: does it act differently if you manually run that as root instead of your user? |
| 23:31.57 | nodenono | thurstylark: i must be run by root because it uses the nic in promiscuous mode |
| 23:32.00 | nodenono | it |
| 23:32.05 | thurstylark | ahh |
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| 23:44.45 | nodenono | using rc.local is an option now... |
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