| 00:00.04 | _abc_ | I would like to know if these problems (missing memtest and hdt) are going to remain as a feature of all new releases, since they seem to be broken since 7.9 at least? |
| 00:00.45 | _abc_ | If these are important anywhere, then it's on a live dvd. Also I had to install lshw manually to make sense of hw. Please, why are the hw detection and setting tools not a standard feature in the live dvds? |
| 00:00.54 | _abc_ | n4dir: ^ |
| 00:01.59 | _abc_ | Are there beta/alpha testers for live dvd releases who test the images before release to the public? I would like to meet such people? And perhaps become one, informally. |
| 00:02.19 | n4dir | ! debian-live |
| 00:02.19 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org; also see <live login>, <uefi live>. |
| 00:02.37 | _abc_ | ! live login |
| 00:02.38 | dpkg | The debian-live images for Debian 8 "Jessie" have a user account configured for you to use. username: user ; password: live |
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| 00:02.56 | stew | _abc_: you want #debian-live on irc.debian.org |
| 00:03.05 | _abc_ | stew: noted, thanks |
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| 00:08.26 | Iridos | why should jessie with systemd boot so much slower? |
| 00:08.30 | Iridos | that defies all reason |
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| 00:11.30 | n4dir | reason or not, it happened to me too. iirc it waited for network to be up. |
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| 00:12.07 | Guest5191 | does anybody know how to remove Mirai-1? |
| 00:12.17 | Iridos | you could now run systemd-analyze as far as I know⦠|
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| 00:12.53 | TomTomTo1 | misconfigured network doesn't count! |
| 00:13.00 | TomTomTo1 | ^^ |
| 00:13.07 | Iridos | but you couldn't compare that to wheezy |
| 00:13.49 | Iridos | well⦠wouldn't you misconfigure the network equally in both versions and so it'd still be a fair comparison? |
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| 00:15.12 | n4dir | it wasn't misconfigured. Well: anyway. It took minutes to boot. So yes: it can happen. |
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| 00:22.01 | Iridos | well, systemd-analyze blame would be interesting in that case⦠|
| 00:23.15 | Iridos | hm, for the desktop at work it claims to have needed 2 minutes to boot |
| 00:23.35 | Iridos | but I can't really remember how long it booted 103 days ago |
| 00:24.27 | Guest5191 | ClamAV on my system identifies "usb_bus.x86: Unix.Trojan.Mirai-1 FOUND" somebody got in and ran this now i need to remove it. Any suggestions? |
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| 00:29.45 | _0 | howdoyoudo! how to avoid rotted bits? |
| 00:30.19 | _0 | or debian rotted by default? |
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| 00:31.09 | _0 | i think so) |
| 00:31.20 | Arcaire | wut |
| 00:31.25 | Svetlana | rotted how ? |
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| 00:32.12 | _0 | Svetlana, gimme all your money) |
| 00:32.25 | theneverlution | no |
| 00:32.25 | _0 | and i say) |
| 00:32.44 | babilen | _0: Play elsewhere please |
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| 00:32.58 | theneverlution | ^ |
| 00:33.01 | machinehum | Was the package "python-wxgtk2.8" deprecated? |
| 00:33.12 | machinehum | I'm trying to install Maxfem |
| 00:33.15 | machinehum | and it's a dep |
| 00:33.23 | pingouin | see you #debian ! |
| 00:33.25 | babilen | machinehum: It was removed past wheezy |
| 00:34.01 | _abc_ | Does 8.7 have systemd by default? On the live dvd? |
| 00:34.23 | missmbob | _abc_: yes |
| 00:34.28 | _abc_ | read backlog about n4dir's comment |
| 00:34.38 | babilen | machinehum: Might want to build/develop against python-wxgtk3.0 which is in jessie and stretch |
| 00:34.55 | _abc_ | This has got to be a joke. Stand alone machine, boot delayed because no network?! |
| 00:35.00 | machinehum | babilen: Thanks |
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| 00:35.22 | babilen | machinehum: If that isn't your package and if the software only support 2.8 you might be out of luck though |
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| 00:35.33 | _abc_ | I know I will get flamed, but how far has systemd less debian come? I do not want to be a beta tester. |
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| 00:35.40 | _abc_ | Of neither version. |
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| 00:35.56 | n4dir | ! why systemd |
| 00:35.57 | dpkg | a tired argument. Start by reading rra's excellent analysis at https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2013/12/msg00234.html Support for other init systems (sysvinit) is still present in Debian 8. systemd-shimallows userspace requiring some systemd APIs to work without it. See <jessie sysvinit> if you have to delay or wish to avoid using it. |
| 00:36.43 | missmbob | _abc_: ask them |
| 00:36.43 | machinehum | babilen: It looks like it, I got 3.0 already install |
| 00:36.48 | machinehum | installed* |
| 00:37.04 | machinehum | I'm guessing it would be a bad decision to install 2.8 using some old stuff |
| 00:37.05 | _abc_ | I have read analyses ad nauseam. I am not interested, sorry. I am interested in boot and shutdown time 3x that of the previous version (7.11), non working things, and no error reporting at all when booting (8.x) on hardware which previously worked ... |
| 00:37.09 | _abc_ | ... perfectly and still does in 7x |
| 00:38.03 | _abc_ | And I expect the live dvd which is used for installation to be a reasonable test for the system which will or will not be installed based on that. |
| 00:38.15 | n4dir | i see that. thing is: that discussion is over in debian. at least for now |
| 00:38.16 | babilen | My boxes boot a lot faster on jessie, but why would any of that anecdotal evidence matter? |
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| 00:38.35 | babilen | Live images aren't used for installation |
| 00:38.46 | _abc_ | Missing hw detection tools and seriously flawed boot options are not going in the right direction. And yes, this is about debian. Specifically 7.11.0 to 8.3 8.6 and 8.7. Tried all these. |
| 00:38.55 | babilen | Well, some people do use them, but they are neither recommended nor frequently used |
| 00:39.07 | _abc_ | babilen: what happens if your machines are unplugged and booted stand alone? |
| 00:39.28 | babilen | They have no power and don't turn on |
| 00:39.43 | _abc_ | will stay with 7.11.0 for now. Nonworking systems are not an option. |
| 00:39.58 | _abc_ | babilen: assume they are in a place which does not have net access/that is broken |
| 00:40.05 | _abc_ | What happens? No computer? |
| 00:40.15 | _abc_ | Sounds like Android, you know. |
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| 00:41.06 | n4dir | kFreeBSD is not official, but still an option. There are many options. But discussing it here won't change a thing (as far i can see). |
| 00:41.24 | babilen | I fail to see what any of this has to do with whatever problem you are trying to solve. But it so happened that I booted my workstation without network just the other day and I did not notice any obvious delay. |
| 00:41.24 | n4dir | Just like debian-live. It is the way it is because the folks who do it want it that way. |
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| 00:41.48 | _abc_ | is seriously considering going bsd fyi. And uses slackware and probably later arch on machine which he can NOT afford not to work. |
| 00:42.00 | babilen | You can either try to solve *your* problem or spend time on something else. |
| 00:42.05 | n4dir | arch uses systemd as default too. |
| 00:42.13 | _abc_ | Right, imho, the 1st step is in discussing it |
| 00:42.19 | borsin | whats wrong with systemd |
| 00:42.21 | Iridos | did you even read the replies? |
| 00:42.37 | _abc_ | Yes but they seem to get the default settings slightle better suited to common use? |
| 00:42.44 | missmbob | you didnt discuss anything. you rambled. i doubt anyone knows wtf you're talking about |
| 00:42.51 | _abc_ | :) |
| 00:43.37 | babilen | Which of the five problems are we analysing? Where is information as to which versions are installed? systemd analyze blame output? Boottime comparisons? |
| 00:43.52 | _abc_ | Okay, please suggest a troubleshooting howto assuming 8.7 boots from live dvd and is to be made to work, when the display acts up and the netwotk card has no suitable driver. I assume one boots into safe mode live image, then what? |
| 00:43.57 | n4dir | probably the assumption that discussing something *here* or giving feedback *here* has any influence on the way debian does it |
| 00:44.13 | _abc_ | n4dir: Oh, I gave up hope on that a long time ago. |
| 00:44.33 | x032cx | _abc_ fyi debian works out of the box usually and usb stick are usually slower to boot than hdds |
| 00:44.40 | missmbob | there are live images with non-free firmware built in |
| 00:44.47 | missmbob | so you use those instead |
| 00:44.50 | babilen | Is this entirely about live images? |
| 00:44.54 | _abc_ | USB3.0 stick is slightly faster than the old hdd here. But this is an extreme case. |
| 00:45.04 | klys | _abc_ if the network card has no suitable driver you get a kernel tree and rebuild linux. |
| 00:45.12 | n4dir | if only i knew what this is about. but at 2 in the night everything is enteraining |
| 00:45.27 | _abc_ | Is there a specific variant of debian live releases which is tailored for laptops? Perhaps with more laptop oriented drivers on it natively? |
| 00:45.37 | babilen | _abc_: Please pick a single problem that you'd like to solve, describe it in as much detail as you can and help us *helping you* to solve *your* problem |
| 00:45.39 | _abc_ | tries to belly dance |
| 00:45.50 | _abc_ | Is there a specific variant of debian live releases which is tailored for laptops? Perhaps with more laptop oriented drivers on it natively? <- one step at a time |
| 00:45.54 | n4dir | when it comes to live CDs i for one wouldn't think of the debian ones as the first choice. |
| 00:46.00 | missmbob | !live firmware |
| 00:46.00 | dpkg | Live images with firmware included can be found at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current-live/ ; ask me about <live> <firmware> <non-free>. |
| 00:46.05 | babilen | And, as has been mentioned earlier, #debian-live is a good place for problems with Live images |
| 00:46.16 | missmbob | _abc_: you use those ^ |
| 00:46.23 | _abc_ | step two: please link me to a howto on how to troubleshoot systemd? I heard something about blame? |
| 00:46.38 | klys | _abc_ help us find software for your network hardware. is it in lspci -vvv ? |
| 00:46.44 | Iridos | we gave you the command multiple times now? |
| 00:46.52 | _abc_ | I have used the nonfree and then the free versions of the above. Same outcome. When I booted them. |
| 00:46.54 | Iridos | you could have just⦠ya know⦠like⦠run it? |
| 00:47.12 | babilen | _abc_: Read up on systemd-analyze |
| 00:47.19 | _abc_ | Iridos: the system is not in front of me. I'm way past working on it for today. |
| 00:47.22 | _abc_ | babilen: okay |
| 00:47.30 | babilen | _abc_: So, what are you trying to achieve now? |
| 00:47.38 | Zardoz | anyone running KVM? |
| 00:47.46 | _abc_ | Acquire information for a new attempt tomorrow babilen |
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| 00:49.01 | babilen | _abc_: Read up on systemd-analyze, gather actual data and compile a succinct description of the technical problem you are trying to solve - Don't annoy helpers and stop rambling or behaving as if people in this channel (who are genuinely trying to help) are in some way responsible for whatever problem you have |
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| 00:49.37 | babilen | Zardoz: Many people do. You might as well and I guess that you have encountered a specific problem that you require help with. Help us to help you by providing more information about that problem |
| 00:50.07 | babilen | Unless you genuinely simply wanted to find a single person that uses KVM, in which case: Congratulations, you succeeded :) |
| 00:50.37 | Zardoz | babilen, not really a problem just wondering what desktop would be good to use. |
| 00:50.46 | heston | hello, how can I find out what's telling my laptop to go to sleep when I close the lid? I dont have a screensaver and all the power management settings arent set to sleep in any condition |
| 00:51.01 | babilen | Zardoz: Desktop as in frontend to manage virtual machines? |
| 00:51.13 | Zardoz | yeah |
| 00:51.22 | babilen | Zardoz: virt-manager is nice |
| 00:51.37 | babilen | heston: That would probably be systemd |
| 00:51.53 | Zardoz | ok |
| 00:52.22 | heston | babilen, so what should i look for to disable that |
| 00:52.47 | heston | I just want my screen to lock, which ive configured in xfce |
| 00:53.05 | heston | and does lock after my laptop wakesup |
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| 00:53.54 | babilen | heston: You can take a look at /etc/systemd/logind.conf -- Unless you are using a desktop environment that might configure this also. There are various systems at work here and it depends on your circumstances |
| 00:54.17 | babilen | heston: HandleLidSwitch and HandleLidSwitchDocked are what you look for in there |
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| 00:54.51 | heston | babilen, it seems to be an issue after I uninstall xscreensaver and use light-locker instead |
| 00:55.12 | zykotick9 | is saddened that his choice to use libreboot means kernel support for kvm (for virtualization) is "out of the question" due to bugs... in coreboot... qemu still works :| |
| 00:55.16 | babilen | I am not familiar with that program, but it might not integrate well with logind |
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| 00:56.12 | heston | babilen, actually I forgot, im using the mate-locker right now but it happens when I remove xscreensaver either way for xfce |
| 00:56.13 | babilen | heston: So you are saying that your box behaves as you want it to (which behaviour is that?) when you are using xscreensaver, but not when you use light-locker? |
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| 00:56.19 | mosasaur | isn't there a letter missing |
| 00:56.57 | heston | babilen, it may have been going to sleep with it installed as well to be clear. I'm not certain now |
| 00:57.19 | babilen | Which behaviour do you want? Which desktop environment do you use? |
| 00:57.28 | zykotick9 | wasn't "screen locking" with xorg deemed insecure/unsupportable? |
| 00:57.46 | heston | im using xfce and all power settings for sleeping were disabled |
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| 00:58.02 | heston | I just want my screen to lock after I close the lid or leave it idle |
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| 00:58.12 | babilen | heston: And configuring HandleLidSwitch doesn't have any effect? |
| 00:58.21 | heston | ill look for it now |
| 00:59.22 | heston | babilen, it's currently commented out and set to suspend |
| 01:00.02 | babilen | That would be the default value, yes |
| 01:00.52 | heston | is there an option to just turn off the screen |
| 01:00.54 | babilen | Read login.conf(5) for information on settings. |
| 01:01.00 | heston | alright |
| 01:01.16 | babilen | It sounds as if you want "lock" |
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| 01:01.36 | heston | I do, but I suspect that wouldnt be handled there |
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| 01:02.10 | babilen | Having said that: XFCE might override these and there might be other ways to configure XFCE to do what you want. Unfortunately I can't really help you with that, but try changing the logind settings directly as it might just do what you want |
| 01:03.33 | heston | ah there is the option for lock there |
| 01:03.46 | heston | do I need to reboot to reload those settings? |
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| 01:04.38 | babilen | heston: Restarting your session should be enough, but why not reboot to make sure? |
| 01:04.41 | TomTomTo1 | probably the systemd-logind service. |
| 01:04.49 | zykotick9 | the only thing i use HandleLidSwitch for is HandleLidSwitch=ignore so when i close my lid nothing happens! |
| 01:05.00 | babilen | heston: Could you check if you have /etc/UPower ? |
| 01:05.17 | babilen | zykotick9: So you do use it! :) |
| 01:05.43 | zykotick9 | oh, when i don't use it - thing go badly! |
| 01:05.52 | babilen | Why's that? |
| 01:06.13 | zykotick9 | close the lid a little too much = computer goes to sleep... |
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| 01:07.04 | zykotick9 | ^ when that computer (that is a laptop) happens to be your home server... :(.. |
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| 01:08.07 | babilen | Well, don't set it to suspend if you don't want it to suspend .. I'm happy with the default as it means that I can just close the lid and pack it |
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| 01:08.35 | zykotick9 | /etc/systemd/logind.conf is one of my scripted editos on install ;) |
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| 01:08.45 | babilen | heston: The light-locker description says "It relies on lightdm for locking and unlocking your session via ConsoleKit/UPower or logind/systemd." -- So looking into UPower would also be a good idea |
| 01:09.14 | babilen | But: Which changes did you make and what was the effect? |
| 01:09.21 | heston | I checked UPower and it has a couple relevant settings but logind.conf looks like the one |
| 01:09.39 | babilen | So you haven't rebooted yet? |
| 01:10.07 | heston | not yet, its this machine |
| 01:10.27 | babilen | Okay, let us know once you are done :) |
| 01:10.32 | heston | will do |
| 01:11.43 | heston | most likely xfce wasnt updated to use systemd |
| 01:12.25 | heston | brb |
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| 01:15.53 | heston | babilen, that did the trick, thanks man |
| 01:16.35 | babilen | Wonderful, enjoy :) |
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| 01:32.05 | IsThatAPlanet | just wanna say that I installed d8 on a legacy (RTL/Ati) laptop today and I gotta say I'm impressed. I easily found realtek files that worked without drama and the legacy ATI workaround just worked too. woot. |
| 01:33.02 | GPenguin | IsThatAPlanet: :D :D |
| 01:33.11 | dvs | IsThatAPlanet, no surprise here. The older the hardware, the more compatible (it seems) |
| 01:33.50 | GPenguin | great to give positive feedback |
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| 01:39.50 | antimatter_ | What's the most compatible hardware when a pc with debian in mind? |
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| 01:40.22 | dvs | antimatter_, generally, the older, the better. |
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| 01:44.25 | antimatter_ | That's because of the way debian team updates only stable releases. Btw thanks devs |
| 01:44.31 | antimatter_ | Dvs |
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| 01:47.08 | dvs | ??? stable releases don't receive updates: only security updates and some bug fixes |
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| 01:47.56 | GPenguin | a fix is still an update |
| 01:48.05 | zykotick9 | is glad that both IsThatAPlanet who needs non-free drivers and he who doens't want anything to do with non-free driver can both use the "Univeral Operating System" known as Debian :) |
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| 02:07.49 | aypea[1] | does /var/lib/dpkg/available not get updated for every installed package or is it no longer in use? mine's not been touched since 2015 but it's causing the odd issue with trying to make dep packages from cpan. currently using stretch |
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| 02:15.15 | aypea[1] | christ. I need to use dselect. how weird. |
| 02:16.07 | Zardoz | babilen, awesome that you on the tip for vert-man |
| 02:16.27 | Zardoz | thank you that is |
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| 02:22.02 | hankpete | whats the best way to have debian but with the latest version of firefox on it? i want to watch netflix |
| 02:22.33 | dvs | !tell hankpete about mdn |
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| 02:23.29 | hankpete | dvs, thanks so much! |
| 02:23.40 | dvs | no prob |
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| 02:42.49 | hankpete | dvs, u still there? |
| 02:43.04 | dvs | maybe |
| 02:43.19 | hankpete | haha. well i was just wondering about this firefox thing... |
| 02:43.37 | hankpete | i should install it from the unstable repos |
| 02:43.45 | dvs | no way |
| 02:44.00 | hankpete | oh, what's up? |
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| 02:45.08 | dvs | hankpete, deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ jessie-backports firefox-release |
| 02:46.00 | hankpete | oh, even if I'm on stretch? |
| 02:46.26 | dvs | oh, you're on stretch? I don't know about that. |
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| 02:47.31 | hankpete | yeah. I thought it would have the latest firefox but it just has firefox-esr which turns out to be version 45 |
| 02:47.40 | hankpete | i need 47 for netflix :( |
| 02:48.10 | dvs | hankpete, stretch doesn't have the latest anything since it is no longer maintained. |
| 02:48.34 | hankpete | dvs, stretch is testing though |
| 02:48.49 | dvs | smacks head |
| 02:49.13 | hankpete | hehehe, it used to be debain 5 or something though, you're right |
| 02:49.31 | dvs | hankpete, in that case, getting it from unstable is an OK idea since they are not so different at this point.\ |
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| 02:49.55 | hankpete | dvs, ok... I just worry about turning into a FrankenDebian haha |
| 02:50.04 | hankpete | but that is what the site you showed me says to do. |
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| 02:57.26 | unborn | do we know what default de would be on next release? |
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| 02:58.28 | dvs | unborn, it's always GNOME |
| 02:58.37 | dvs | especially after systemd |
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| 03:00.01 | unborn | dvs: sure, thats what I use..im just curious about shell extensions.. how they going to handle install from gnome.org after api will change in all browsers |
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| 04:06.20 | unborn | ,v virtualmin |
| 04:06.21 | judd | No package named 'virtualmin' was found in amd64. |
| 04:06.22 | Zardoz | dam feraking cool. deb 8.7 host running KVM and have 3 VMs running all on a intel NUC |
| 04:07.50 | Zardoz | take that vmware/hyperv |
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| 04:08.03 | dvs | !lart vmware |
| 04:08.09 | dpkg | throws vmware's poor little doggy off a cliff |
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| 04:10.18 | Zardoz | now I need to get remote desktop running |
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| 04:11.01 | Zardoz | but very very happy with the outcome so far |
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| 04:12.03 | Zardoz | guess I need to donate to KVM... |
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| 04:38.46 | Arcaire | Quick question: Debian stable works on my laptop, Ubuntu 16.10 works on my laptop, Debian testing does not work on my laptop. Nvidia 970M // Intel Skylake. Is there a known issue here or something? |
| 04:39.29 | Arcaire | As soon as I dist-upgrade to testing, it just locks up on boot. |
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| 06:58.38 | missmbob | Arcaire: skylake really needs 4.9. stretch has 4.8. so yes, it's known. |
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| 06:59.14 | Arcaire | missmbob: But why does Debian stable work? |
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| 06:59.26 | Arcaire | And I'm pretty sure 16.10 is using the same kernel. |
| 07:00.04 | missmbob | Arcaire: because 3.16 has no skylake bugs that 4.8 does. i dont know what ubuntu does to their kernel |
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| 07:00.22 | Arcaire | :/ |
| 07:00.30 | missmbob | Arcaire: you can install 4.9 on stable and then dist-upgrade to stretch |
| 07:00.37 | missmbob | Arcaire: or just wait |
| 07:00.38 | ShalokShalom | where can i get notifications about all patches which get released for the the current freeze? |
| 07:00.43 | ShalokShalom | so, with link to them |
| 07:00.50 | ShalokShalom | mailing list? |
| 07:00.59 | ShalokShalom | any other places? |
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| 07:02.50 | ShalokShalom | ah, https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/ |
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| 07:02.55 | ShalokShalom | thanks :) |
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| 07:59.56 | GNU\colossus | https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2016-9919 - I take it the kernel image from jessie-backports is vulnerable to this? |
| 08:01.36 | missmbob | GNU\colossus: it's fixed |
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| 08:04.51 | GNU\colossus | missmbob, how do you figure? |
| 08:05.40 | missmbob | https://security-tracker.debian.org |
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| 08:16.31 | sdx23 | not in jessie backports. |
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| 08:17.28 | missmbob | sdx23: until you look more closely. stretch has 4.8+77 which is fixed. that's the same in jessie-backports |
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| 08:21.07 | missmbob | GNU\colossus: ^ |
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| 08:21.36 | sdx23 | missmbob: true. However, this version is from 4.12.2016, isn't it? - which was before the bug was even reported |
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| 08:22.35 | sdx23 | ah, sorry. I looked at the metapackage. |
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| 08:36.19 | sdx23 | missmbob: ok, so the metapackages coincidentally have the same version. Looking closer: In [linux_4.8.15-2.debian.tar.xz] (stretch) there's the patch, in [linux_4.8.11-1~bpo8+1.debian.tar.xz] (jessie backports) not. |
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| 08:48.16 | Deputy_Dawg | Anyone know why Debian is so difficult to install to a partition on an hdd?Set the mount point etc..but it just puts you in a loop. |
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| 08:49.39 | sdx23 | Deputy_Dawg: loop in the selection process, you mean? Be careful which option you choose in the corresponding steps. |
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| 08:51.10 | Deputy_Dawg | Yes,Ive set the parameters just the same as with installing say Mint but it wont install on a spare ext4 partition. |
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| 08:54.06 | sdx23 | "wont install" means what exactly? |
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| 08:54.34 | Deputy_Dawg | Means I cant install it to a partition |
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| 08:54.49 | Deputy_Dawg | set mount point/ |
| 08:55.05 | Deputy_Dawg | Chose partition etc |
| 08:55.36 | Deputy_Dawg | Press continue and it asks the same questions over again |
| 08:56.32 | Deputy_Dawg | Added boot flag |
| 08:56.56 | Deputy_Dawg | There is nothing else to add but it still takes me back to square one each time |
| 08:56.59 | sdx23 | ok, so that's what I meant in the beginning: Make sure it's the right "continue". At some point it's not optimally worded, I don't remember exactly where. |
| 08:58.18 | Deputy_Dawg | Yes,Ive tried several times now.Tried net insatll method and now I tried burning the whole 1.2gb iso to disc and still see the same issue |
| 08:58.33 | Deputy_Dawg | Ill try again later |
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| 09:00.18 | sdx23 | Deputy_Dawg: https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.installation-steps.html about at "Figure 4.10." - explicitly state you want to write the changes |
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| 09:00.58 | Deputy_Dawg | Thank you sdx23,Ill take a look |
| 09:02.08 | Deputy_Dawg | I must say Ive not yet tried the '64 bit graphical install 'choice yet |
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| 09:04.26 | Deputy_Dawg | Plus I went for the 'Manual'option as opposed to 'use entire disk',for obvious reasons |
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| 09:31.29 | jelly | what do you use a bash http server FOR |
| 09:31.55 | doublehp | jelly: wrong channel :/ wanted #bash |
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| 09:32.01 | jelly | (there are tiny httpds with footprints smaller than bash) |
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| 09:32.44 | HRH_H_Crab | hi all im trying to configure unbound on jessie. there appears to be a problem with the init script. when i start the service, it starts unbound and then tries to call nss-lookup.target. |
| 09:32.49 | doublehp | jelly: to ship the webserver inside a shell project; very low traffic, bash is enough |
| 09:32.59 | HRH_H_Crab | that seems to fail and leaves the entire thing stuck |
| 09:33.14 | HRH_H_Crab | id be grateful if anyone can suggest what might be going wrong here. |
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| 09:35.31 | marco___ | Hello. There is a bug in /usr/bin/chromium:21 in testing |
| 09:36.02 | marco___ | it miss a closing double quote |
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| 09:37.38 | c-101 | __marco: maybe you should report a bug against the packet (maybe check before if it is already reported) |
| 09:38.25 | c-101 | in fact, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=851634 |
| 09:38.26 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/851634 in chromium (open): «chromium: Chromium does not start after update»; severity: grave; opened: 2017-01-17; last modified: 2017-01-17. |
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| 09:39.37 | __marco | I used to report bugs with reportbug but I'm getting older |
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| 09:40.53 | c-101 | it is already reported |
| 09:41.21 | c-101 | however, why would getting older interfere with bug reporting ? older means more experienced and thus, better bug reports :D |
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| 09:53.17 | yottanami | Hey all |
| 09:54.40 | yottanami | I amtrying to use two monitors and my motherboard does not support two monitor, so I connected a HTMI to USB converter I tried to share screen using this code http://dpaste.com/1MSP95Q |
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| 09:55.07 | yottanami | but after that my machine is working slow |
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| 09:55.28 | yottanami | It works very perfectly in Windows |
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| 09:56.29 | yottanami | It seems I have delay on my HTMI monitor |
| 09:57.12 | yottanami | how should I fix it? |
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| 10:10.57 | papaBear | #ansible |
| 10:12.14 | petn-randall | hands papaBear a /join. |
| 10:12.35 | papaBear | is sorry for being stupid :D |
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| 10:23.30 | user__ | hello |
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| 10:26.34 | M3B0 | hi. Do anyone have configured an isc-dhcp-server using the same subnet with two scopes for diferent DNS servers configuration. |
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| 10:28.08 | beatsteak | Hi guys. Where do I find your factoids online? |
| 10:28.27 | petn-randall | beatsteak: /query dpkg help |
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| 10:28.43 | petn-randall | beatsteak: Then you can ask whatever you want. |
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| 10:29.59 | beatsteak | Aren't they accessible online? |
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| 10:30.28 | beatsteak | oh, got it |
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| 10:32.35 | beatsteak | Does debian.net belong to debian.org? Is it an official debian site? |
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| 10:34.58 | bezaban | beatsteak: they are owned by the same entity |
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| 10:38.53 | petn-randall | beatsteak: IRC doesn't count as "online"? |
| 10:39.11 | M3B0 | Hi does anyone know a isc-dhcp-server channel? |
| 10:39.52 | beatsteak | So, I'm asking since I'm interested in all kinds of documentation Debian offers. Would you say the factoids are part of the debian documentation? And I can't easily access and browse the factoids. |
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| 10:40.22 | beatsteak | At least not in the way I'd like to access them |
| 10:40.53 | beatsteak | I don't know any factoids yet. Would you say they hold important information? |
| 10:41.09 | beatsteak | Are they reliable? |
| 10:41.19 | themill | no |
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| 10:42.27 | beatsteak | So, you wouldn't say they should be part of a debian knowledge base? |
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| 10:42.58 | beatsteak | I'll have a look at them |
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| 10:44.14 | themill | There are 40391 of them. I don't think that's helpful to you. |
| 10:44.28 | beatsteak | When you're giving support here in this channel, are there any other sources of information you guys rely upon? Some form of documentation that's not accessible by others/me? |
| 10:45.09 | themill | Years of bitter experience. |
| 10:45.13 | bezaban | lol |
| 10:45.17 | beatsteak | I see |
| 10:45.19 | beatsteak | :) |
| 10:45.40 | bezaban | a long history of breaking stuff ;) |
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| 10:45.46 | beatsteak | Guys, I want to push the Debian documentation to new heights |
| 10:45.57 | jelly | the 100 most used are probably reasonably reliable |
| 10:46.20 | jelly | !penixstrike |
| 10:46.23 | themill | Anything less than a couple of years ago |
| 10:46.37 | beatsteak | I'll have a look at them |
| 10:46.40 | jelly | except someone is deleting the most useful ones |
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| 10:48.53 | jelly | !penixstrike beatsteak |
| 10:48.53 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking beatsteak to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
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| 10:49.04 | jelly | hm, the singular one still exists |
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| 10:51.02 | beatsteak | Well, guys, I'll just translate a German saying: With that kind of documentation "you won't win a flower pot." If you know what I'm saying |
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| 10:51.54 | beatsteak | I assume that was a factoid |
| 10:52.45 | jelly | nod |
| 10:55.09 | sillyslux | what's debian documentation? |
| 10:55.17 | sillyslux | or where |
| 10:55.45 | beatsteak | Debian documentation is the goal of the Debian Documentation Project - short: DeDoPro |
| 10:55.46 | sillyslux | it feels like there are hundreds |
| 10:55.50 | jelly | everywhere a little, that's part of the problem |
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| 10:56.48 | beatsteak | I think we'll start with a survey. I'm already working on one. Gimme a week or so |
| 10:56.49 | sillyslux | and it also feels like everything's just fine |
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| 11:00.55 | sillyslux | i find many articles in wiki.debian.org very useful, how about trying to improve it somehow? |
| 11:01.26 | jelly | sillyslux: is in the "this is fine" kc green comic? |
| 11:01.30 | jelly | as* in |
| 11:01.55 | sillyslux | kc wat? |
| 11:02.16 | sillyslux | ignores childish comic stuff |
| 11:02.45 | sillyslux | 's a veery mature grown up |
| 11:03.51 | sillyslux | i think wiki.debian.org could use a new interface with sidebars and webX.Y fanciness |
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| 11:04.20 | smojphace | hands sillyslux a yellow mold |
| 11:04.34 | sillyslux | lots and lots of new categories and tags and such |
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| 11:05.25 | fredriki | I have this weird problem with disk usage |
| 11:05.37 | fredriki | a folder is apparently very large |
| 11:05.51 | fredriki | I enter the folder, and run 'du -csh *' but the contents don't appear large anymore |
| 11:05.52 | fredriki | https://paste.debian.net/909124/ |
| 11:06.30 | themill | sillyslux: talk is cheap; patches take more effort |
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| 11:08.02 | sillyslux | themill *word |
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| 11:08.31 | sh00p | can unidentified nicks talk in this channel? |
| 11:08.39 | sh00p | not sure if my last posts got through |
| 11:08.49 | Hestben | sh00p: It did get through |
| 11:08.49 | smojphace | sh00p: Its the *, try plain du -csh without the asterisk ;) |
| 11:08.55 | smojphace | hidden dirs etc |
| 11:09.36 | jelly | sh00p: they usually can |
| 11:09.37 | sh00p | ah |
| 11:09.40 | sh00p | right, thx! |
| 11:09.44 | smojphace | np |
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| 11:13.53 | smojphace | 5 |
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| 11:25.14 | jim_carry | I can't able to see punjab/hindi fonts in urxvt, I tried various fonts with no success, can you help me? |
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| 11:28.40 | jelly | jim_carry: are you sure your text files are utf8 encoded? |
| 11:29.06 | jelly | jim_carry: do you have an example file or URL? |
| 11:29.10 | jim_carry | I want to see these fonts in mutt and newsbeuter |
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| 11:30.49 | jim_carry | I have this in Xresources --->URxvt.font: xft:Inconsolata,xft:Terminus Regular:size=13:antialias=true:hinting=true:style=Regular |
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| 11:32.00 | babilen | jim_carry: Does it work in, say, gnome-terminal? |
| 11:32.03 | jelly | jim_carry: doesn't answer my questions tho |
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| 11:32.18 | jim_carry | Yes it works in xfce4-terminal |
| 11:32.29 | jim_carry | which has Terminus Regular font set up |
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| 11:33.07 | jim_carry | jelly: I don't know if it is utf8 encoded |
| 11:33.32 | jim_carry | Should I post example file? here |
| 11:34.05 | jelly | or a random web page that doesn't show up correctly in elinks or links2 |
| 11:34.16 | jim_carry | Okay |
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| 11:36.29 | jim_carry | https://pa.wikipedia.org/ |
| 11:36.57 | jim_carry | This page show all boxes in urxvt but xfce4-terminal shows it fine |
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| 11:37.57 | jim_carry | xfce4 doesn't show boxes but it is not readble |
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| 11:38.30 | jim_carry | xfce4-terminal doesn't show boxes but it is unreadble |
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| 11:40.24 | JyZyXEL | how can i access a bin/cue cd image on debian? |
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| 11:41.41 | jelly | jim_carry: is task-punjabi installed? |
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| 11:42.32 | jelly | jim_carry: er, make that fonts-guru instead |
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| 11:44.19 | jim_carry | jelly: no, actually now i am on fedora, my desktop has debian, i'll check when I get home |
| 11:46.31 | RebelCoder | Hey guys. Anyone plays Steam games on Debian with Optimus/Primusrun ? |
| 11:46.44 | jelly | ... |
| 11:46.45 | RebelCoder | I can't get any Steam game to run with optirun/primusrun |
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| 11:47.08 | RebelCoder | All other apps and standalone games do run just fine with primusrun for example. Steam stuff does not. |
| 11:47.17 | RebelCoder | Here is what I have: http://pastebin.com/kVNWGYSz |
| 11:47.45 | NoxiousPloK | afaik steam games have a customized executable that connect to the steam client for authentication (drm) |
| 11:48.33 | RebelCoder | Games would run but with low FPS, meaning not run on the NVidia GPU or not run at all... |
| 11:48.50 | RebelCoder | Anyone here managed to start some games in Debian stable ? |
| 11:49.13 | NoxiousPloK | I never had issues with gaming on Linux, also not Steam games |
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| 11:49.23 | NoxiousPloK | but I don't run Windows games on Debian - only native Linux ports |
| 11:49.50 | RebelCoder | NoxiousPloK, Exactly ! Everything else works, but Steam games. And those games are native Linux anyway. |
| 11:49.53 | RebelCoder | Anyone ? |
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| 11:52.27 | JyZyXEL | every time i run sudo needrestart it says i need to restart avahi-daemon.service and rtkit-daemon.service |
| 11:52.49 | JyZyXEL | yet those aren't listed as processes that are running outdated binaries |
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| 11:52.59 | JyZyXEL | yet they are flagged for automatic restart every time |
| 11:54.00 | NoxiousPloK | RebelCoder: that's weird.. what is optirun/primusrun? never used that |
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| 11:54.33 | RebelCoder | Let's you run app/game on a NVidia GPU instead of Intel. |
| 11:54.41 | RebelCoder | Only for Laptops with 2 graphics cards |
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| 11:56.34 | NoxiousPloK | ahhhh |
| 11:56.42 | NoxiousPloK | my GF has that issue, but she runs Windows |
| 11:56.52 | NoxiousPloK | thats a nasty problem, some games just don't get it |
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| 11:58.07 | RebelCoder | Windows works perfectly fine with NVidia Optimus. |
| 11:58.20 | RebelCoder | Linux does too on everything, but Steam agmes |
| 11:58.22 | RebelCoder | games |
| 11:58.46 | NoxiousPloK | weird |
| 11:58.54 | NoxiousPloK | also not if you add both the game and linux executables? |
| 11:59.03 | NoxiousPloK | I suppose it filters on that |
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| 12:05.51 | ben25 | heyo, what is the best graphical diff tool available? |
| 12:06.08 | ben25 | i checked meld and kdiff3-qt |
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| 12:06.20 | petn-randall | ben25: diff is IMHO the best. |
| 12:06.28 | ben25 | argh |
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| 12:06.30 | ben25 | sure |
| 12:07.13 | petn-randall | ben25: It might help to say what you're missing from diff so we can suggest something. |
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| 12:07.58 | ben25 | anyway i was wondering is there was another one worth testing? |
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| 12:08.47 | ben25 | hum, i was hopping one would deal with archive file like they were directories |
| 12:09.15 | petn-randall | ben25: imediff? diffoscope works on complete tarballs/dirs/etc. |
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| 12:22.46 | alpha_one_x86 | Hy, any bug around: http://pastebin.com/zmuSdUU2 + sysvinit (for lxc container) under debian 9? |
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| 12:29.59 | Serpent7776 | ben25, you might try diffuse |
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| 12:35.52 | pragomer_1 | just installed stretch with mate-DE. ifconfig command is not found. I think its because LAN-firmware was missing during installation |
| 12:35.58 | pragomer_1 | I now installed the packages |
| 12:36.13 | pragomer_1 | firmware-linux, firmware-linux-nonfree and firmware-realtek |
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| 12:36.32 | pragomer_1 | but no change... internet connection is fine.. also apt-get install works... but no network manager |
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| 12:36.38 | pragomer_1 | and no ifconfig |
| 12:36.42 | pragomer_1 | what to do?? |
| 12:37.18 | TomTomTosch | did you mean /sbin/ifconfig ? |
| 12:37.27 | smojphace | pragomer_1: ^ not in your current users path |
| 12:37.40 | pragomer_1 | bash: /sbin/ifconfig: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden |
| 12:37.44 | ben25 | Serpent7776, thanks |
| 12:37.45 | pragomer_1 | (in english: "not found") |
| 12:38.00 | TomTomTosch | it's in the net-tools package. |
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| 12:38.38 | pragomer_1 | ok.mm... that package was not installed |
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| 12:39.07 | pragomer_1 | now ifconfig works. thank you. any idea what to install to get (in mate!) the graphical network-manager? |
| 12:40.18 | chrisc | pragomer_1: `apt-get install network-manager-gnome` ? |
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| 12:40.30 | pragomer_1 | thank you very much ! |
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| 12:49.48 | chrisc | is anyone able to explain how the mariadb root account works, you don't need a password when root, unlike with mysql? |
| 12:49.56 | chrisc | this is on stretch |
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| 12:50.29 | abrotman | that's in the permissions table, and you can configure mysql that way as well |
| 12:50.30 | chrisc | also when a root password is set a non-root users appears unable to login, and i can't find where these differences from mysql are documented? |
| 12:50.59 | chrisc | abrotman: you mean the mysql users table? |
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| 13:03.49 | pragomer_1 | just installed debian-stretch. wondering where to take virtualbox from beste: homepage deb-file or repo? |
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| 13:06.38 | lazaruz | 404 uh? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.7.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-8.7.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 13:07.15 | aypea[1] | pragomer_1: I'd roll with repo |
| 13:07.45 | bezaban | lazaruz: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.7.1/amd64/iso-cd/debian-8.7.1-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 13:08.05 | aypea[1] | wow. a .1?! |
| 13:08.06 | lazaruz | bezaban oh thanks. The links on https://www.debian.org/distrib/ are off! |
| 13:08.11 | aypea[1] | never thought it'd happen. |
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| 13:09.08 | pragomer_1 | mm. as I see there is no vbox package in the standard repo (main contrib non-free) |
| 13:09.20 | pragomer_1 | like it was (I think to remeber) in jessie |
| 13:10.00 | bezaban | lazaruz: yeah, had a few of those since 8.7 release and now it seems it applies to 8.7.1 too :() |
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| 13:10.30 | sti2d | hello |
| 13:10.48 | aypea[1] | pragomer_1: apt-cache search virtualbox- |
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| 13:21.08 | pragomer_1 | theres no package virtualbox sorry |
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| 13:32.57 | HaMsTeRs | hey guys, have anyone here experience the same issue I got? after I disabled IPv6, xrdp failed to start |
| 13:33.14 | Dagger | don't disable v6 then |
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| 13:34.23 | HaMsTeRs | oh, dagger, it;s you again |
| 13:35.12 | lazaruz | Dagger oh, how easy! Thanks, I was having the same problem, and now it's resolved! Much appreciate! |
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| 13:36.21 | Dagger | I'm not *everywhere* on IRC... but I do happen to be here |
| 13:36.48 | lazaruz | Dagger wow, that's true! How do you do that? |
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| 13:38.03 | lazaruz | Dagger I was just thinking about that, and indeed, you are not everywhere on IRC, but just as you said, you are currently here! How neat is that? |
| 13:38.06 | lazaruz | That's pretty neat. |
| 13:38.09 | Dagger | you can join multiple channels on IRC (as I'm sure you're already aware) |
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| 13:38.59 | lazaruz | Dagger sure! You can tell that by the way it is. |
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| 13:48.14 | nn | Hello :) |
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| 13:49.21 | Aebian | someonecan explain the jidgo download method? I have jidgo but I can't find a jidgo file on http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ or I'm just blind |
| 13:49.30 | nn | I want to boot Debian Jessie in console mode, currently kde is executed after startup. I have found tutorials like this, but its not working. |
| 13:49.33 | nn | http://ask.xmodulo.com/boot-into-command-line-ubuntu-debian.html |
| 13:50.06 | nn | I want to change the default boot mode. |
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| 13:51.09 | pflanze | Hello. I'm not using AppArmor yet the kernel in oldstable started to deny hardlinking files that aren't owned by the process. |
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| 13:51.51 | smojphace | umm oops |
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| 13:51.57 | pflanze | issuing kernel messages like: type=1702 audit ... op=linkat action=denied |
| 13:52.06 | smojphace | nn: systemctl set-default multi-user.target |
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| 13:52.22 | smojphace | nn: to revert, systemctl set-default graphical.target |
| 13:52.46 | pflanze | First, how comes a Debian security upgrade introduces such a change, but more importantly, how can I disable this again? |
| 13:52.56 | themill | Aebian: the jigdo files would be on the cd mirrors |
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| 13:53.40 | pflanze | I guess the change originally came from here: http://www.openwall.com/lists/kernel-hardening/2012/02/19/3 |
| 13:53.53 | themill | pflanze: oldstable isn't getting security updates from the security team any more. I don't know what the LTS guys would have done but mailing list might |
| 13:54.24 | nn | @smojphace: This command is mentioned in the tutorial I mentioned. I have executed it. But after the reboot, kde is executed again. |
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| 13:54.42 | pflanze | OK, going to figure out where the LTS guys live :) |
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| 13:55.15 | pflanze | https://lists.debian.org/debian-lts/ |
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| 13:57.05 | smojphace | nn: Ah, kde might have a systemd service that needs disabling.. well kdm (the kde display manager) |
| 13:58.03 | pflanze | Also, the directory permissions are: drwxrwx--- 2 qmailr chrismail |
| 13:58.22 | pflanze | why would it deny linking there, that's not a +t directory like /tmp. |
| 13:58.56 | jelly | pflanze: no debian kernel will enable apparmor by default |
| 13:59.10 | pflanze | jelly, I thought so, too, so why is this active then? |
| 13:59.17 | pflanze | I don't have apparmor installed. |
| 13:59.25 | smojphace | nn: A note about KDE on answer 2 here, http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/164005/non-graphical-boot-with-systemd |
| 13:59.58 | pflanze | jelly, my guess was/is that it was deemed a security fix and hence included in a security upgrade (since it started to appear out of nowhere last October). |
| 14:00.01 | jelly | pflanze: what's the actual, complete, error message and which app triggers it? |
| 14:00.09 | jelly | last October?! |
| 14:00.22 | pflanze | Yes, the issue was on a todo list of mine till now. |
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| 14:00.43 | jelly | show the actual errors if you can, please |
| 14:00.45 | jelly | !ask |
| 14:00.45 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 14:00.52 | jelly | !paste |
| 14:00.53 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 14:01.37 | Aebian | are there any guides for a live usb stick? my main goal I want to archive is a debian which I configured and installed additional packages and then is on my USB stick that I can boot from |
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| 14:02.43 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Aebian about live |
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| 14:04.12 | pflanze | It's a script of mine that does link files between locations. Reproducible using e.g.: |
| 14:04.15 | pflanze | ln /var/qmail/Maildir_spambounce/new/1475612740.23692.servi /var/qmail/Maildir_spambounce/.orig/new/1475612740.23692.servi |
| 14:04.15 | pflanze | ln: failed to create hard link `/var/qmail/Maildir_spambounce/.orig/new/1475612740.23692.servi' => `/var/qmail/Maildir_spambounce/new/1475612740.23692.servi': Operation not permitted |
| 14:04.23 | nn | smojphace: Thanks, it worked :) |
| 14:04.28 | smojphace | nn: np :) |
| 14:04.51 | pflanze | drwxrwx--- 2 qmailr chrismail 12288 2017-01-17 14:33 /var/qmail/Maildir_spambounce/.orig/new/ |
| 14:04.51 | pflanze | drwxrwx--- 2 qmailr chrismail 12288 2017-01-17 14:33 /var/qmail/Maildir_spambounce/new/ |
| 14:04.58 | pflanze | uid=1012(chrismail) gid=1013(chrismail) groups=1013(chrismail),1049(spamd) |
| 14:05.04 | Aebian | thanks abrotman ^^ |
| 14:05.38 | pflanze | rename works, just not link. And link issues the kernel message mentioned above. |
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| 14:07.02 | youyou | hi |
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| 14:10.05 | pflanze | full example message: [420303.544592] type=1702 audit(1484660079.345:6): op=linkat action=denied pid=5093 comm="ln" path="/var/qmail/Maildir_spambounce/new/1475612740.23692.servi" dev="sda3" ino=607407 |
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| 14:13.41 | jelly | pflanze: what does "uname -a" say? |
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| 14:15.08 | grawity | bye |
| 14:15.26 | KingsQuest | i use stretch. i prefer it now over ubuntu :D debian is good :D |
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| 14:19.20 | pflanze | jelly, 3.2.0-4-686-pae |
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| 14:20.01 | pflanze | Linux servi 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.84-1 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 14:31.47 | Ulrar | Hi, just a quick note, the links on https://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ are broken (or at least the amd64 is) |
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| 14:32.16 | Ulrar | I found the iso anyway browsing the thing by hand, but it would be good to update them |
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| 14:33.13 | somiaj | Ulrar: is the issue the webpage hasn't updated all the links to 8.7? and still is pointing at 8.6? |
| 14:33.17 | petn-randall | Ulrar: Probably the website being changed over to 8.7.1, but someone admin mixed up the order of things. |
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| 14:33.27 | petn-randall | s/someone/some/ |
| 14:33.28 | somiaj | oh there is a 8.7.1 now? |
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| 14:34.00 | petn-randall | somiaj: The USB images accidentally updated the filesystem label to "HACK 1" |
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| 14:35.21 | somiaj | petn-randall: ahh, yea guess the bug is explained here http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.7.1/ |
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| 14:37.51 | Ulrar | somiaj: It does point to 8.7, the link is just wrong |
| 14:37.55 | Ulrar | It looks like the paths changed |
| 14:38.00 | Ulrar | No just the filenames |
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| 14:38.23 | Ulrar | The correct link is : http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.7.1/amd64/iso-cd/debian-8.7.1-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 14:38.30 | Ulrar | which doesn't really look like what's on the page |
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| 14:38.58 | Ulrar | Or maybe it does .. must have missed a redirect |
| 14:39.23 | somiaj | Ulrar: there was a bug with the original image build and the links haven't been updated on the webpage, this just takes time. |
| 14:39.34 | somiaj | the link describes the bug (seems debugging code was left on in the final build) |
| 14:39.47 | somiaj | hence a version bump from 8.7.0 to 8.7.1 |
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| 14:40.43 | somiaj | Ulrar: thanks for pointing out, but I think automatic systems will update the links |
| 14:40.53 | Ulrar | Allright, I was just unlucky to try to get it at the wrong time then |
| 14:40.55 | Ulrar | That's fine |
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| 14:48.02 | xXEoflaOEXx | Can I upgrade from Debian 8.6 to 8.7 using a command line or do I have to upgrade through the 8.7 ISO? |
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| 14:48.19 | petn-randall | xXEoflaOEXx: Just updating your system will get you to the same state. |
| 14:48.35 | petn-randall | xXEoflaOEXx: that is run 'apt update && apt upgrade' |
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| 14:49.08 | xXEoflaOEXx | petn-randall, ok. |
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| 15:17.22 | doppleherz | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.7.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-8.7.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 15:17.24 | doppleherz | is down |
| 15:18.41 | TomTomTosch | doppleherz: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.7.1/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 15:20.42 | doppleherz | oh, nice |
| 15:20.47 | doppleherz | thanks |
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| 15:22.22 | humusvernichter | hi is it possible to send data to the hdmi port in a way ? how can i talk to the hdmi port? |
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| 15:23.41 | petn-randall | humusvernichter: What are you trying to achieve? |
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| 15:25.45 | jelly | humusvernichter: all the graphic cards do it. |
| 15:25.54 | jelly | !goal |
| 15:25.54 | dpkg | Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is. |
| 15:26.18 | humusvernichter | send a video to hdmi port |
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| 15:26.59 | bezaban | then you'd need a capture card afaik |
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| 15:28.22 | humusvernichter | sounds stupid but what exactly is a capture card ? |
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| 15:28.26 | petn-randall | humusvernichter: You mean like use something like vlc? |
| 15:28.27 | bezaban | I think he's wants to send video *into* the HDMI output.. |
| 15:28.27 | bezaban | s/he's/he/* |
| 15:28.38 | bezaban | humusvernichter: it's a card that lets you input video into your pc |
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| 15:29.11 | petn-randall | bezaban: wouldn't that be *receiving* video? |
| 15:29.16 | bezaban | petn-randall: exactly |
| 15:29.20 | humusvernichter | i want to send |
| 15:29.35 | bezaban | well, depending on perspective. It often gets mixed up. |
| 15:29.36 | humusvernichter | to a tv |
| 15:29.48 | bezaban | aha. Well disregard me then :) |
| 15:30.04 | petn-randall | humusvernichter: Then just use vlc for that. |
| 15:31.08 | humusvernichter | but lets ask something different . is it possible to read the bitstream while streaming ? |
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| 15:32.04 | petn-randall | humusvernichter: It would help a lot more if you describe what you're trying to do. |
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| 15:32.49 | humusvernichter | i want to send a video via hdmi to a screen and while im sending i want to have a look at the bitstream |
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| 15:35.49 | cobra_koral | hello guys. I found a bug that when updating mysql-server-core and or akonadi, akonadi doesn't work anymore |
| 15:36.08 | cobra_koral | the issue is that the directory /var/lib/mysql-files/ doesn't exist |
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| 15:36.30 | cobra_koral | creating the directory with 755 permission fix the issue, otherwise akonadi doesn't even start |
| 15:36.51 | cobra_koral | I'd like to check if there is a bug report already, but I found the debian bug tracking too confusing to search |
| 15:37.13 | somiaj | cobra_koral: what version of debian? |
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| 15:40.46 | cobra_koral | testing/stretch |
| 15:41.25 | cobra_koral | I applied this filter on the search I did. I found some results on google though, seems like someone already tried to open a bug report for this, but did it on the backports package instead |
| 15:41.34 | cobra_koral | I am not using backports, pure debian testing/stretch |
| 15:43.02 | somiaj | well backport packages are from stretch, so sometimes similar bugs affect both. |
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| 15:43.35 | somiaj | you could add to the bug report and say it also supports stretch. So far I'm not finding any package that contains /var/lib/mysql-files, so wonder which package the bug actually is part of |
| 15:43.46 | cobra_koral | I found https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=843520 and 843534 |
| 15:43.58 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/843520 in mysql-server-core-5.5 (closed): «[akonadi-server] Fails to start after mysql upgrade»; severity: important; opened: 2016-11-07; last modified: 2016-12-17. |
| 15:43.58 | cobra_koral | I did the same, apt-file search /var/lib/mysql-files and no package |
| 15:43.59 | cobra_koral | I see |
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| 15:46.44 | petn-randall | humusvernichter: HDMI bitstreams are north of 4Gbit/s and sometimes have HDCP, doubt you'll get any useful information out of it without a parser. |
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| 15:48.00 | cobra_koral | but I didn't understand its closing. The problem still persists and the bug was closed. |
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| 15:48.06 | petn-randall | humusvernichter: You can probably capture it with with a capture card, as bezaban said earlier. |
| 15:48.32 | cobra_koral | Lars said in the bug report: "The upgrade |
| 15:48.32 | cobra_koral | _should_ have created this directory automatically, so if it failed for |
| 15:48.32 | cobra_koral | you then there's probably something with your environment we didn't |
| 15:48.32 | cobra_koral | account for" but I am pretty sure my environment is vanilla |
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| 15:51.43 | guampa | hi, I'm having a strange problem with the dovecot service. Using sysV init, the service doesn't start with "service dovecot start". However it does with "service dovecot restart" |
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| 15:52.48 | petn-randall | guampa: What do you see in the error logs when you start it and it fails? |
| 15:53.09 | guampa | nothing at all |
| 15:53.33 | guampa | on restart dovecot gives a warning related to a config entry, but otherwise it works |
| 15:53.35 | petn-randall | guampa: Which release is this? |
| 15:53.38 | guampa | testing |
| 15:53.43 | petn-randall | !debian-next |
| 15:53.44 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 15:53.50 | petn-randall | guampa: ^^^ see you there. |
| 15:53.52 | jelly | guampa: is there any dovecot process running at the time of "start"? |
| 15:53.53 | guampa | thanks! |
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| 15:54.07 | guampa | let me start the container |
| 15:54.14 | jelly | that testing is going to be frozen and then stable soonish |
| 15:54.24 | guampa | maybe i should mention this lives in a LXC on proxmox |
| 15:54.28 | jelly | guampa: what kind of container? |
| 15:54.40 | petn-randall | sysv init is still fully supported in stretch? |
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| 15:54.44 | jelly | how are you booting sysvinit inside that lxc? |
| 15:55.06 | guampa | good question, I just assumed init should work as usual |
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| 15:55.27 | guampa | the rest of the services do start up normally |
| 15:55.30 | jelly | the usual is "kernel starts /sbin/init" |
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| 15:55.46 | jelly | I don't know how LXC does things |
| 15:56.19 | jelly | guampa: and you don't see anything in /var/log/mail.log or wherever you told dovecot to log? |
| 15:56.40 | guampa | no, weird as it is nothing gets to syslog |
| 15:56.52 | guampa | it would seem that dovecot isn't really started at all |
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| 15:57.33 | guampa | anyway, aside from init getting called in X or Y way |
| 15:57.51 | guampa | /sbin/service should start things explicitly when called |
| 15:59.50 | guampa | (and it does with the restart subcommand) |
| 16:00.32 | guampa | I'll ask in debian-next though, it could be an issue specific to this release |
| 16:01.31 | n4dir | i wouldn't see much sense in offering different init systems if they are not fully suported, petn-randall |
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| 16:04.24 | petn-randall | n4dir: systemd was a "tech preview" in wheezy. It was shipped but not fully supported, just like upstart. |
| 16:05.09 | n4dir | runit, openrc ... |
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| 16:05.57 | petn-randall | n4dir: exactly. |
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| 16:08.03 | jelly | customer insists on sending mail to @gamil.com domain but for some reason it always results in a bounce |
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| 16:08.13 | jelly | oops, ECHAN |
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| 16:08.37 | klys | gamil...funny =) |
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| 16:14.32 | fr0sti | Hi, isit possbile to install mimikatz in Debian Jessie? all the installers look like windows only? |
| 16:15.39 | grawity | uh, isn't mimikatz a very windows-specific tool anyway? |
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| 16:16.10 | fr0sti | grawity: yes its prupose is for grabbing passwords from Domain Controllers etc |
| 16:16.22 | jelly | fr0sti: is it open source? |
| 16:16.32 | grawity | fr0sti: but, it's for grabbing passwords *locally*, isn't it? |
| 16:17.00 | grawity | I've looked at what it does, and it seems most of its functions can't be done over the net; they dig around the kernel &c. |
| 16:17.21 | fr0sti | grawity: no not necessasarilly |
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| 16:19.06 | domovoy | hi |
| 16:19.08 | fr0sti | jelly: i dont think so |
| 16:19.23 | fr0sti | jelly the site says you are free to: Share â copy and redistribute the material in any medium or format |
| 16:19.37 | fr0sti | jelly: Adapt â remix, transform, and build upon the material |
| 16:19.38 | fr0sti | for any purpose, even commercially. |
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| 16:20.33 | fr0sti | grawity: true. But you can import data into it |
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| 16:21.41 | domovoy | i have troubles with postfix and (g|fusion)forge. When i try to send a mail to someuser@users.my.domain, it doesn't work and i get this in mail.log: 'warning: connect to pgsql server unix:/var/run/postgresql: could not connect to server: No such file or directory??Is the server running locally and accepting??connections on Unix domain socket "/var/run/postgresql/.s.PGSQL.5432"??', 'netstat -lp --protocol=unix | grep postgres' tells me postgresql IS |
| 16:21.41 | domovoy | listening on /var/run/postgresql/.s.PGSQL.5432 |
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| 16:23.12 | domovoy | ls -l /var/run/postgresql/.s.PGSQL.5432 gives 'srwxrwxrwx 1 postgres postgres 0 Jan 17 17:15 /var/run/postgresql/.s.PGSQL.5432' |
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| 16:26.09 | jhutchins | domovoy: So try a manual connection as the postfix user. |
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| 16:27.44 | domovoy | jhutchins> su - postgres; psql ? it works |
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| 16:28.40 | jelly | fr0sti: then it won't be present in debian, except if the author builds it with debian in mind |
| 16:29.23 | jhutchins | domovoy: Are you sure the credentials are correct in postfix? |
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| 16:30.59 | grawity | many postfix components run in a chroot |
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| 16:31.09 | domovoy | jhutchins> they are from the gforge packages: pgsql_gforge_users_hosts = unix:/var/run/postgresql, pgsql_gforge_users_user = gforge_mta |
| 16:31.11 | grawity | check master.cf regarding that |
| 16:31.56 | Flashdown | Hi Guys, is there a possibility to get last login information of a chrooted sftp only user? finger and others show "never logged in" because it's not an interactive shell that such users use. I don't like the idea to catch this information on my own directly from /var/log/auth.log which contains such information. |
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| 16:33.16 | jhutchins | Flashdown: Should be in /var/log/auth.log |
| 16:33.25 | smeert | hmm |
| 16:33.31 | smeert | i installed a software with opkg -i |
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| 16:33.46 | smeert | i would normally remove program with apt-get purge. what is the similar for opkg? |
| 16:34.33 | jhutchins | domovoy: I would expect a password to be set somewhere. |
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| 16:36.10 | Flashdown | yes it is, as I've mentioned, but this way when I try to estimate it now I can only check the last days logs, instead of getting it as normal for each account using finger etc. So if the user logged in 2 weeks ago for the last time then checking /var/log/auth.log is not sufficient, sure I can increase the log retention but this way feels so dirty. |
| 16:36.15 | domovoy | jhutchins> it is set, as pgsql_gforge_users_password = <password> |
| 16:36.27 | Flashdown | @jhutchins |
| 16:38.25 | Flashdown | jhutchins: I am looking for a clean way somehow, so that I do not need to store extra data somewhere since the normal OS does offer such information normally when not using the sftp subsystem through ssh |
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| 16:40.57 | Flashdown | or another question, which command can I use to update the "last login" information for an account? |
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| 16:42.02 | grawity | usually that's taken from /var/log/lastlog |
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| 16:43.06 | jhutchins | Flashdown: Are you thinking of updating last to show non-interactive logins? |
| 16:43.12 | Flashdown | yes |
| 16:43.25 | domovoy | 'psql -U gforge_mta -d gforge' works, with the password set in /etc/postfix/main.cf |
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| 16:43.43 | grawity | the `last` output, meanwhile, is taken from /var/log/wtmp |
| 16:43.55 | grawity | there are libraries and tools to update wtmp/utmp |
| 16:44.39 | Flashdown | ok, and as far as I know I can run a script / command when a sftp user logs in, so this way I could achive it I assume |
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| 16:45.09 | jhutchins | domovoy: Do the postgress logs have anything useful? |
| 16:45.40 | grawity | for sftp, you could basically edit sshd_config to run a wrapper for the sftp subsystem |
| 16:45.44 | grawity | I think I've done that once |
| 16:46.18 | grawity | using ... xorg-sessreg, IIRC? |
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| 16:46.33 | jhutchins | Flashdown: There is a way to do it by modifying the PAM configuration so that it calls the wtemp function. |
| 16:46.46 | jhutchins | grawity: I think those methods are deprecated as insecure. |
| 16:47.21 | domovoy | jhutchins> nothing gets log in /var/log/postfix/postgresql-9.4-main.log when i try to send the mail |
| 16:47.46 | Flashdown | jhutchins: that is true |
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| 16:48.19 | Flashdown | jhutchins: thanks for the hint, I believe I got what I need to get it done (PAM) |
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| 16:51.16 | jhutchins | domovoy: All I can suggest is turning up the logging level on postfix and postgres. I haven't run postfix with a DB back end and am more familiar with mysql in LAMP configurations. |
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| 16:53.23 | domovoy | jhutchins> i enabled connections logging in postgresql, it log every connection attempts and tells me if it is successfull, user gforge_mta never even try to connect... |
| 16:53.34 | domovoy | will try increasing postfix log level |
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| 16:58.18 | domovoy | i just thought about it... postfix uses chroot for its services (smtp, submission) so... there are goos chances that /var/run/postgresql is not in the chroot |
| 16:58.38 | domovoy | s/goos/good/ |
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| 17:01.47 | domovoy | indeed, that was it, used '127.0.0.1' instead of 'unix:/var/run/postgresql' for pgsql_gforge_users_hosts and it works |
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| 17:07.11 | kaizoku | hmm, i cannot seem to get grub-efi working |
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| 17:07.49 | kaizoku | efibootmgr shows the correct path to grubx86.efi, but when i choose it from my laptop's boot menu it does nothing |
| 17:08.02 | kaizoku | i installed a new disk, perhaps it's not updating somehow? |
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| 17:10.25 | somiaj | kaizoku: could be, I would double check your firmware and where it is looking for efi files. On mine I could manually browse the efi partition to choose booting options. |
| 17:10.38 | somiaj | what you need to do may depend on your firmware |
| 17:11.11 | kaizoku | yes, when i'm in the chroot it shows the proper path and blkid for the loader when i run `efibootmgr -v` |
| 17:11.18 | kaizoku | but now that i've restarted it still shows the old blkid |
| 17:11.26 | kaizoku | something isn't persisting here |
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| 17:18.43 | kaizoku | okay, i'm honestly not sure why it worked that time |
| 17:18.44 | kaizoku | but it did |
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| 17:20.19 | kaizoku | perhaps because i ran `efibootmgr -w` after the grub setup this time |
| 17:20.22 | kaizoku | before rebooting |
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| 17:23.32 | somiaj | kaizoku: don't know that much about efi, I'm lucky that I can control almost evertying in my firmware from its configuration tool, so when I had issues with my efi files, I just browsed the efi partition and pointed it at the right one, and it updated all the required info for me. |
| 17:23.58 | somiaj | but yes, that is the catch to efi, you need to correctly tell the firmware where to look, and if that changes it may need to be forcefully updated |
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| 17:27.20 | marrenarre | Hello. I'm trying to download Debian 8.7 netinst from the website, and the server reports a 404 error. |
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| 17:28.24 | TomTomTosch | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.7.1/ |
| 17:28.38 | babilen | marrenarre: Which URL did you use? |
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| 17:28.50 | petn-randall | marrenarre: The links are currently broken, they'll be fixed, see TomTomTosch's link. |
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| 17:32.24 | marrenarre | babilen: The one for 8.7.0 that is on the "Getting Debian" page. |
| 17:32.32 | marrenarre | TomTomTosch, petn-randall: Thanks! |
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| 17:48.29 | benlue | how can i use local variable my Remote? ssh benlue@my-host.ovh 'cd ~/lineageos_updater && FLASK_APP=app.py flask addrom -f $FILE -d $ANDROID_DEVICE -v $ROM_VER -t "$DATE $TIME" -r $ROM_TYPE -m $MD5 -u https://mysecnd.host.ovh/$FILE' ? |
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| 17:48.58 | benlue | *on my remote |
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| 17:50.28 | abrotman | benlue: you'll need more double quotes and escaping likely. |
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| 17:55.32 | benlue | abrotman, thx can you give me an example? |
| 17:56.48 | somiaj | benlue: note "foo" and 'foo' get parsed differently, afiak you'll need double quotes to ensure the variabels get expanded |
| 17:57.14 | somiaj | benlue: look at the difference between echo "$PATH" and echo '$PATH' |
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| 17:58.05 | brontosaurusrex | benlue: http://www.shellcheck.net/ |
| 17:59.56 | abrotman | benlue: realistically, you sohuld probably be asking #bash for hte nuances of quoting variables |
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| 18:35.00 | timeless | can someone suggest a place to get help w/ an md raid array? I had a raid1 array (one partition mirrored on two drives), and one of the drive's cables came out -- i've tried to mdadm --manage /dev/md1 --add /dev/sdf7 the drive, and it rebuilds, but once it finishes rebuilding, it's converted into a spare instead of left as a normal drive |
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| 18:44.00 | bencc | stretch, sid and experimental are all not suitable for production server? |
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| 18:44.27 | grawity | I've been running some on stretch, but you need to be careful with it |
| 18:44.41 | grawity | sid and experimental, I'd say definitely not |
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| 18:44.53 | bencc | I'm interested in this package https://packages.debian.org/stretch/libnginx-mod-http-lua |
| 18:45.00 | bencc | but I don't see it in stable |
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| 18:48.30 | cobra_koral | bencc: do you know of apt preferences file and pinning ? |
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| 18:48.52 | cobra_koral | MAYBE you can use stable, and pull some packages from testing only, better than a whole system testing |
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| 18:52.59 | bencc | cobra_koral: good advice. I'll try it |
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| 18:53.33 | GPenguin | is there a general statement which is the better path: go with stable and pin to pull testing in or using backports? |
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| 18:55.52 | TomTomTosch | bencc: pinning is a terrible idea and we don't advise doing that, especially on a production system. |
| 18:55.59 | TomTomTosch | !frankendebian |
| 18:55.59 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 18:56.12 | psj7071 | my experience points to going with stable, and if you need lua or python 3 just building it from source |
| 18:56.21 | GPenguin | funny. this triggers me every time cause my family name is frank |
| 18:56.26 | GPenguin | frankendebian |
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| 18:58.55 | jelly | GPenguin: keep thoughts like that in #debian-offtopic, pretty frakkin please |
| 18:59.03 | GPenguin | alright |
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| 19:04.34 | cobra_koral | definitely backports is better than pinning, and building from source is also a good option, but if the package you want is not in backports, and you don't have any building/compilation skills, pinning might be easier than building, but as the guys said, this is not supported by Debian at all. Debian even recommends against it, saying that they won't support a frankendebian, it's on the wiki. |
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| 19:08.43 | jelly | cobra_koral: breaking things is often easy |
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| 19:12.52 | cobra_koral | jelly: yes you are right, sorry for recommending pinning here, I should have remembered about the "frankendebian" warning at the wiki |
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| 19:18.20 | jelly | pinning is useful, just not for stable + something newer |
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| 19:34.32 | cobra_koral | jelly: really, I used pinning once with testing/unstable when the version I wanted hit testing, I disabled pinning, like this works nice for picked packages that you need |
| 19:34.42 | maxiter | wheezy freezes at the first boot after installing in a old notebook (Dell Inspiron 4100). waiting for /dev to be fully populated. tried many google tricks in vain. Please shed some lights. |
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| 19:36.39 | dumbl3d0re | I've just installed Debian with Awesome VM. I'm trying enable changing keyboard layout between US and SE (Swedish) using Alt+Space for toggling. |
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| 19:37.35 | dumbl3d0re | Using the `localectl` command I've edited the `/etc/default/keyboard` file and rebooted, the the changes still doesn't take effect, i.e. when I press `Alt+Space` the keyboard layout isn't changed. |
| 19:38.05 | grawity | how did you bind Alt+Space to changing keyboard layout, in the first place? |
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| 19:38.46 | dumbl3d0re | I executed the command `localectl --no-convert set-x11-keymap us,se grp:alt_shift_toggle`. |
| 19:38.54 | grawity | that's Alt+Shift, not Alt+Space |
| 19:39.14 | grawity | (...and I think you have to press Shift first, then Alt) |
| 19:39.20 | dumbl3d0re | Sorry, it was alt_space_toggle |
| 19:39.30 | ajsantos | I am running a VPS and trying to stop unnecessary services from running... I tried to kill "/sbin/agetty" but it comes back up a few seconds later. Is there a way to disable it? |
| 19:40.06 | grawity | yeah, by stopping the service |
| 19:40.25 | awal1 | dumbl3d0re, "setxkbmap -layout your-language" (as a work around) works? |
| 19:40.41 | grawity | which is getty@<name>.service on recent Debians (use `systemctl stop` and `systemctl disable` on it) |
| 19:40.53 | grawity | or a line in /etc/inittab on older ones (edit it and use `init q` to reload) |
| 19:41.03 | Vizva | i think i should take theMuppets AdrianC things are older |
| 19:41.09 | ajsantos | I tried "sudo kill PID number" but it wont die |
| 19:41.32 | dumbl3d0re | awal1: Yes, setting it manually works without problems. Just want something that's persistent and canon. |
| 19:41.34 | Getty | systemd should die, i dont wanna run in that..... thing |
| 19:41.46 | Getty | take me out of there! |
| 19:41.47 | grawity | that's not how you stop a service though |
| 19:41.49 | Getty | ;) |
| 19:42.53 | Vizva | wrong channel :P |
| 19:42.56 | dumbl3d0re | When I press `Alt+Space` it inserts a space-character. |
| 19:42.58 | Vizva | i writed |
| 19:43.07 | dumbl3d0re | Nothing more, nothing less. |
| 19:43.22 | grawity | does the option show up in `setxkbmap -query`? |
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| 19:44.17 | dumbl3d0re | grawity: Yes :/ |
| 19:45.20 | BurnOMatic | grub2 on deb 8.7 LIVE (refuses to install to /dev/sdb /dev/sdc 1,2 etc. |
| 19:45.35 | BurnOMatic | is that normal? ^ |
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| 19:45.59 | BernhardPosselt | next debian will ship with python 3.5 and php 7.0, correct? |
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| 19:46.36 | dumbl3d0re | BernhardPosselt: https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
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| 19:46.52 | BernhardPosselt | testing, right? |
| 19:46.58 | dumbl3d0re | Change distribution to `testing` |
| 19:46.59 | BernhardPosselt | already frozen? |
| 19:47.09 | BurnOMatic | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:47.42 | greycat | No, stretch is not frozen yet. |
| 19:47.44 | BurnOMatic | okay not normal. |
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| 19:48.11 | BernhardPosselt | ok, so both might still be updated to 3.6 and 7.1 |
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| 19:49.21 | dumbl3d0re | BernhardPosselt: Maybe, the full freeze is 2017-02-05. |
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| 19:50.04 | dumbl3d0re | I would've contacted the maintainers and asked them directly if they're planning to upgrade the packages for Stretch. |
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| 19:50.25 | dumbl3d0re | grawity: No idea what my problem can be? |
| 19:50.31 | grawity | dumbl3d0re: nope |
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| 19:54.18 | awal1 | dumbl3d0re, you can workaround your issue creating shortcuts for "setxkbmap -layout lang1/lang2" |
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| 19:55.10 | dumbl3d0re | awal1: Yeah, aware of that. But I want the correct solution to work :/ |
| 19:55.34 | awal1 | I don't run i3, no much clue |
| 19:55.51 | awal1 | awesome ^ |
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| 19:56.09 | awal1 | check #awesome on OFTC |
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| 20:05.21 | dumbl3d0re | grawity: I'm running Stretch. Could it be that there's a bug, or some changes? |
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| 20:11.02 | mmmm | Will compiling a program run faster rather than installing from a binary? |
| 20:11.20 | greycat | The binary package was also compiled. |
| 20:12.27 | shewp | supposedly you can compile with flags that cater to different cpus |
| 20:12.32 | shewp | and this will make execution faster |
| 20:13.02 | shewp | i believe this is the idea behind gentoo |
| 20:13.05 | teraflops | ಠ_ಠ|
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| 20:47.09 | domovoy | any good resource on how to setup fusionforge on debian stable (+backports)? i got fusionforge-minimal working (almost) but it still depends on some gforge-* packages. anyway, i want fusionforge, this package doesn't depend on gforge-* packages, but nothing seems to be configured "out of the box" (no httpd.conf for a start). fusionforge.org is of no help (it simply says "install the package") |
| 20:48.46 | at0m | domovoy: #fusionforge maybe? |
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| 20:57.15 | domovoy | at0m> wow, that looks... empty :) |
| 20:58.20 | Caddy | What's empty ? |
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| 21:11.32 | zuiss1 | is it still recommended to keep / and /home seperate or does it not really matter? |
| 21:12.18 | greycat | Everyone has a different opinion on how to partition. |
| 21:12.31 | `Kevin | ^ |
| 21:12.40 | `Kevin | zuiss1: do what makes sense for your specific use-case |
| 21:12.48 | zuiss1 | when i reinstall i like to wipe everything so that i don't have any unneccessary files in my home directory that were left over from applications inthe previous installation |
| 21:12.57 | zuiss1 | would everything in one big partition make sense then? |
| 21:13.15 | greycat | yes |
| 21:13.44 | greycat | I, on the other hand, have files in my home directory that have survived multiple computers and operating systems over the course of about 20 years. |
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| 21:14.24 | zuiss1 | i guess you don't care about having a lot of old junk in .config, .local, etc? |
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| 21:14.51 | greycat | I *like* my old junk and want to keep it. |
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| 21:15.43 | zuiss1 | lol well you may have config files for software you installed once 19 years ago and got rid of a day later |
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| 21:16.04 | greycat | If I do, I am totally fine with that. |
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| 21:18.25 | pingouin | hello #debian |
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| 21:23.55 | RickHull | Hi, I have found a bug in what I believe is a debian supplied wrapper script for Steam, on the testing distro |
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| 21:24.34 | RickHull | I am trying to determine if this is caught or fixed yet. not finding it on bdo |
| 21:24.52 | RickHull | basically an incorrect invocation of `find` in `/usr/games/steam` |
| 21:25.10 | greycat | !bts |
| 21:25.10 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
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| 21:25.50 | RickHull | I am looking through all of this: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?archive=both;package=steam |
| 21:26.13 | greycat | If you don't see the bug already reported, then report it yourself. |
| 21:26.17 | RickHull | is there an easy way to just check the latest version of `/usr/games/steam` like on github or whatever? |
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| 21:26.41 | RickHull | I don't see it, so I'll report it. it is related to https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=820663 |
| 21:26.42 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/820663 in steam (open): «avoid precompiled steam runtime»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2016-04-11; last modified: 2016-05-02. |
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| 21:27.45 | RickHull | can I confirm that debian is responsible for `/usr/games/steam` and where can I see the development history? |
| 21:28.21 | greycat | Type 'dpkg -S /usr/games/steam' to see if it's from a package, and if so, which package. |
| 21:28.27 | RickHull | is there a quick way to check this file's HEAD version or whatever? |
| 21:28.55 | greycat | No. |
| 21:28.58 | RickHull | it's from steam package, as expected |
| 21:29.06 | greycat | You find out what PACKAGE it is in, and then you find the latest version of that package. |
| 21:29.12 | greycat | ,v steam |
| 21:29.13 | judd | No package named 'steam' was found in amd64. |
| 21:29.19 | RickHull | i386 |
| 21:29.19 | greycat | ,v steam i386 |
| 21:29.20 | judd | Package: steam on i386 -- jessie/non-free: 1.0.0.49-1; stretch/non-free: 1.0.0.54-1; sid/non-free: 1.0.0.54-2 |
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| 21:29.54 | RickHull | i'm on stretch I believe (testing) |
| 21:30.19 | RickHull | can I browse the sid package contents or better to just ftp it manually? |
| 21:30.27 | greycat | So download the sid version of the package, extract it (don't install it), and have fun. |
| 21:33.53 | RickHull | is there a simple way to do that? pdo isn't helping... https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=steam&searchon=names&suite=unstable§ion=all |
| 21:34.02 | greycat | http://packages.debian.org/steam |
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| 21:34.10 | RickHull | my debian fu is quite rusty |
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| 21:34.44 | RickHull | oh duh, got it |
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| 21:38.25 | RickHull | bug appears to be fixed, thx |
| 21:38.42 | RickHull | to satisfy my curiousity, can I see a changelog and maybe track the change back to a bugreport ? |
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| 21:39.28 | RickHull | found it |
| 21:39.49 | greycat | http://ftp-master.metadata.debian.org/changelogs//non-free/s/steam/steam_1.0.0.54-2_changelog |
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| 21:40.07 | greycat | It all starts at http://packages.debian.org/PKGNAME |
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| 21:41.28 | RickHull | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=850479 |
| 21:41.30 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/850479 in src:steam (closed, patch): «steam: deletion of incompatible libraries from Steam Runtime not working correctly»; severity: important; opened: 2017-01-07; last modified: 2017-01-09. |
| 21:42.02 | RickHull | this bug was not in the list when I tried to search for all bug reports (resolved or not): https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?archive=both;package=steam |
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| 21:44.51 | RickHull | why would that be? |
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| 21:47.49 | RickHull | what's the right way to track the sid version of a package, from a testing distro? |
| 21:48.01 | greycat | I don't know what you mean by "track". |
| 21:48.12 | RickHull | install, say |
| 21:48.20 | RickHull | and receive updates from |
| 21:48.25 | greycat | That is wrong. There is no right way to do a thing that is fundamentally wrong. |
| 21:48.48 | greycat | The closest non-wrong thing would be for you to backport the sid source package to your stretch system. |
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| 21:56.41 | n4dir | and as far as it's me it is the rule number one |
| 21:56.43 | n4dir | !mixing |
| 21:56.44 | dpkg | Mixing "stable" with testing/unstable is a bad idea (see <stable/testing mix>,<unmixing>,<downgrade> - instead use <backports>), mixing Debian with other distributions is a worse idea (see <mixing distros>). Mixing unstable into testing OTOH is not unusual (see <testing/unstable mix>. apt-show-versions tries to tell you which repo a package is from, albeit with mixed results (also see <which repo>). |
| 21:57.24 | n4dir | once at it |
| 21:57.28 | n4dir | !frankedebian |
| 21:57.32 | TomTomTosch | that does not really apply to testing/unstable. those are fairly common. |
| 21:57.56 | n4dir | just like the factoid says it |
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| 22:03.28 | n4dir | sure enough someone here gave me hard times telling me how plain wrong mixing testing with unstable is. oh my. the internet |
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| 22:09.21 | Pavr | n4dir, Being wrong on the internet is the best. |
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| 22:10.19 | n4dir | i mainly depend on what others tell me. If someone says "no, it is wrong", then i think: well, might be he is right, what do i know. |
| 22:11.00 | mtn | n4dir: I depend on documentation and experience, opinions aren't too important |
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| 22:12.02 | n4dir | and you didn't state an opinion right now ? :-) |
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| 22:12.17 | mtn | n4dir: nope, that was a fact |
| 22:12.22 | n4dir | ha ha. good one |
| 22:12.29 | mtn | :) |
| 22:13.06 | n4dir | main point is that all i can say: as far i know. and often enough i am wrong. shame, shame ... |
| 22:13.34 | niklas_e | is it possible to install a unstable version of wordpress? How do I do that? |
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| 22:13.58 | TomTomTosch | ,v wordpress |
| 22:13.59 | judd | Package: wordpress on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.6.1+dfsg-1~deb7u10; wheezy-security: 3.6.1+dfsg-1~deb7u12; jessie-security: 4.1+dfsg-1+deb8u11; jessie: 4.1+dfsg-1+deb8u11; jessie-backports: 4.6.1+dfsg-1~bpo8+2; stretch: 4.6.1+dfsg-1; sid: 4.7.1+dfsg-1; stretch: 4.7.1+dfsg-1 |
| 22:14.24 | TomTomTosch | niklas_e: if you are on jessie you can use the one in jessie-backports |
| 22:14.49 | niklas_e | How do I add that? |
| 22:15.13 | TomTomTosch | https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
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| 22:15.38 | niklas_e | Thanks |
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| 22:21.38 | n4dir | enabling backports, running "apt-cache policy <pkg>" would tell me if a backport is to be found? |
| 22:22.26 | greycat | yes, it would |
| 22:23.05 | n4dir | thanks (looks like all the software i use is only in stable , all 3 packages ... :-) ) |
| 22:24.52 | awal1 | n4dir, for check available versions "rmadison pkgname" |
| 22:25.06 | n4dir | thanks awal1 |
| 22:25.38 | awal1 | rmadison is an utility provided by 'devscripts' pkg |
| 22:25.49 | n4dir | ha, just wanted to ask. |
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| 22:27.06 | awal1 | it tell's you all versions on all branchs, except experimental |
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| 22:27.49 | n4dir | on this powerpc i seem to be stuck on stable though. not that i would mind much. |
| 22:27.57 | grawity | is that different from `apt-cache madison`, and where does the name come from in the first place |
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| 22:29.12 | pepe_le_pew | hi, i just installed debian |
| 22:29.33 | pepe_le_pew | for work, i come from fedora |
| 22:30.04 | pepe_le_pew | is testing updated like fedora stable? |
| 22:30.22 | awal1 | grawity, I usually use rmadison, I dont if apt-cache madison pkgname shows versions for all branches without enabling extra repos |
| 22:30.30 | awal1 | don't know ^ |
| 22:30.48 | TomTomTosch | no, apt-cache madison queries the local package list, rmadison is a frontend to a remote script. |
| 22:31.16 | awal1 | that was my guess :P |
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| 22:32.13 | TomTomTosch | answering the original question.. |
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| 22:34.36 | themill | rmadison also used to be exceedingly slow which was one of the reasons for putting this functionality into judd |
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| 22:37.26 | awal1 | I always have devscripts installed bcuz it have a lot of useful scripts/utilities helpful also for regualar/non technical end debian users |
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| 22:40.22 | RickHull | where does pulseaudio log to? how can I troubleshoot high CPU usage? |
| 22:40.42 | n4dir | awal1: i have just found checkbashisms :-) |
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| 22:42.33 | otherMe | hi guys can you help me with something? is it possible to run weechat [or any program] in background and get back to it/put it background again every time I want? |
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| 22:43.15 | awal1 | n4dir, never heard about it? :) |
| 22:43.29 | n4dir | checkbashisms? no |
| 22:43.36 | TomTomTosch | otherMe: tmux or screen do the job. |
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| 22:44.13 | otherMe | thanks TomTomTosch for pointing me in the right direction. I will google that ;) |
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| 22:45.00 | otherMe | I thoug running (programX &) will do that, but I tried and nothing |
| 22:45.29 | awal1 | n4dir, is pasrt of devscripts too |
| 22:46.26 | n4dir | yeah, thats why it came to my mind (found it at slackbuilds though ... then a bit of searching: ah, debian thing) |
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| 22:52.36 | RickHull | there's an apparent bug here: https://wiki.debian.org/PulseAudio#Excessive_CPU_usage_and_distortion |
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| 22:53.01 | RickHull | this is not valid syntax: `load-module module-udev-detect tsched = 0` |
| 22:53.21 | RickHull | should be: `load-module module-udev-detect tsched=0` at least, my pulse refused to start with above |
| 22:53.46 | ploprof | does anyone know how to solve this error ? I just started getting it after upgrading to debian-testing. http://pastebin.com/0Lnyz83q |
| 22:54.15 | RickHull | also, this module is already being conditionally loaded, so I modified that line rather than add per the wiki |
| 22:54.30 | RickHull | and it did not resolve my issue |
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| 22:57.21 | RickHull | confirmed bad wiki: http://paste.debian.net/909236/ |
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| 23:00.56 | RickHull | pulseaudio is using 65% CPU when playing FTL's 8-bit style soundtrack |
| 23:01.11 | RickHull | and the audio is totally distorted and choppy |
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| 23:01.57 | RickHull | I've tried this and the above suggestions: https://wiki.debian.org/PulseAudio#Excessive_CPU_usage_and_distortion |
| 23:02.22 | RickHull | not sure what else to look at for troubleshooting |
| 23:02.36 | mtn | RickHull: look at the arch wiki, too |
| 23:03.58 | n4dir | some call it "the bible" ... :-) |
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| 23:05.37 | teraflops | RickHull: maybe resampling is doing shit, did you touch that option? |
| 23:05.57 | teraflops | RickHull: if yes, _why_? |
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| 23:06.44 | RickHull | i have not touched resampling |
| 23:06.54 | RickHull | perhaps 12 months ago when troubleshooting something similar but I doubt it |
| 23:07.00 | teraflops | RickHull: or, it is a weak machine? arm sbc or somethig like that? |
| 23:07.08 | RickHull | it's an old core 2 duo |
| 23:07.17 | RickHull | 1.6 GHz |
| 23:07.25 | RickHull | T5500 I think |
| 23:07.50 | RickHull | pulseaudio is doing something very wrong to use so much CPU for simple playback |
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| 23:08.31 | RickHull | I had FTL working well on this machine 12+ months ago. several dist-upgrades etc ago |
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| 23:15.31 | oblio | when i run apt-get update i get the following error for each line in my sources: Couldn't execute /usr/bin/apt-key |
| 23:15.45 | oblio | but the binary runs fine, anyone have any thoughts? i've tried googling around but not getting anywhere |
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| 23:22.28 | freemind | how to install jre java manually on Debian? |
| 23:23.09 | cynicallemon | why? |
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| 23:23.41 | freemind | curiosity |
| 23:23.53 | SuperTramp83 | it killed the cat :( |
| 23:24.01 | freemind | And I dont want use ppa |
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| 23:24.21 | cynicallemon | is there a .deb package for it? |
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| 23:24.53 | freemind | No cynicallemon. Is tar.gz |
| 23:25.43 | cynicallemon | well thats a compressed file so you cant install from that |
| 23:26.04 | cynicallemon | decompress it and see whats inside |
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| 23:31.11 | missmbob | !install java |
| 23:31.11 | dpkg | For the Java web browser plugin, install the icedtea-plugin package. For other Java programs, install the default-jre package to get the default or manually select one of openjdk-6-jre or openjdk-7-jre yourself. The old <sun-java6> packages are best avoided as Oracle now forbids Debian providing any security updates to them. See also <java alternatives>. |
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| 23:33.04 | cynicallemon | missmbob: he wants to install it manually |
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| 23:33.53 | heston | hello, so I wanted to stop some annoying system bells and I used xset b off and that works but it's back when my session locker(light-locker) is up |
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| 23:40.38 | Hirnblaehung | !install samba |
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| 23:41.41 | theneverlution | just saying hi :) |
| 23:41.49 | Hirnblaehung | hu |
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| 23:42.26 | Brigo | heston, i am using /etc/inputrc (readline configuration file) and it works for me. |
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| 23:44.04 | heston | Bringo, did you just do "set bell-style none"? |
| 23:44.11 | heston | and does that disable it system wide? |
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| 23:45.20 | Brigo | heston, yes, and i am not Bringo as everybody keeps calling me :) |
| 23:45.44 | heston | ah ok. Hah sorry |
| 23:46.04 | Brigo | heston, i am already used to it :D |
| 23:46.04 | heston | Brigo, thank you |
| 23:46.11 | Brigo | heston, np, good luck |
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| 23:47.27 | heston | lol it's not even another user here for tab completion. Bringo just seems to come out haha. |
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