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| 00:31.48 | KidBeta | Hi guys im having trouble with my intel 7260 wifi card in debian and was wondering where would be the best channel to goto to get help?. |
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| 00:37.37 | gry | KidBeta: ask here and give all details |
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| 00:41.36 | KidBeta | running debian 8.6 with a intel 7260 (rev 73) and im getting an error every time i try and connect to a wifi network that is "No association and the time event is over already..." after it previously says that is authenticated. iwlwifi is loading iwlwifi-7260-9.ucode. I have tried tricking it by renaming 7260-13.ucode to 7260-9.ucode, didnt work so I swapped them back. I have 7260-13.ucode in /lib/firmware but im not sure itll fix the problem. |
| 00:43.03 | KidBeta | I also get an aborting authentication MAC_ADDRESS by local choice (Reason: 3=DEUATH_LEAVING) soon after the "No assocation..." |
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| 01:30.02 | steven_is_false | How can I blacklist an environment variable in ssh? SendEnv only lets me add ones |
| 01:31.24 | gry | you mean unset? |
| 01:32.08 | steven_is_false | gry: yes |
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| 01:33.21 | stew | steven_is_false: without SendEnv, nothing is sent, right? |
| 01:33.31 | stew | steven_is_false: so then you must be using SendEnv? |
| 01:33.40 | stew | but you are telling it to send something you don't want it to send? |
| 01:33.52 | steven_is_false | stew: There's a default SendEnv in /etc/ssh/config which sends LC_ALL |
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| 01:34.18 | stew | steven_is_false: and you don't want to send LC_ALL? |
| 01:34.22 | steven_is_false | GNU Hurd doesn't seem to support LC_ALL |
| 01:34.33 | steven_is_false | or at least en_CA.UTF-8 |
| 01:35.00 | stew | so isn't the answer to change SendEnv to not send LC_ALL if you don't want to send LC_ALL? |
| 01:35.30 | steven_is_false | stew: I'd rather change ~/.ssh/config then /etc/ssh/config |
| 01:35.41 | stew | yes, certainly that's what I'd recommend |
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| 01:37.14 | stew | steven_is_false: i'd say just add to ~/.ssh/config, something like "Host my.hurd.host \n SendEnv LANG |
| 01:38.04 | steven_is_false | stew: > SendEnv only lets me add ones |
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| 03:16.41 | spacebison | Was there a big update for Jessie recently? It suddenly wants to update a 100+ packages. |
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| 04:40.46 | ^v | connecting my phone as a audio source isnt working anymore after my last apt-get upgrade |
| 04:40.51 | ^v | (on sid) |
| 04:41.33 | ^v | i get an audio source but its silent |
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| 04:45.00 | Zardoz | did you try and remove the device and re-add it? |
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| 04:46.58 | ^v | Zardoz, yes |
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| 04:49.40 | Zardoz | ^V, reboot the phone? |
| 04:49.55 | ^v | yep |
| 04:49.57 | ^v | many times |
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| 05:51.40 | heston | there really doesnt seem to be much in the jessie backports :/ |
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| 05:53.00 | themill | heston: there's 5000 packages |
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| 05:54.54 | heston | well jessie has an ancient version xfce and gtk-redshift(which doesnt work) and there's no backports |
| 05:55.28 | heston | version of* |
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| 05:59.24 | missmbob | heston: i backported redshift if you want it https://dipconsultants.com/debian/jessie/?dir=redshift/binaries |
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| 06:04.30 | heston | missmbob, nice, you did lighdm and light-locker too. Looks like you have a bunch of good one. Now it comes down to trust |
| 06:04.38 | heston | ones* |
| 06:08.06 | heston | missmbob, I dont suppose you could provide the makefile |
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| 06:08.48 | missmbob | heston: it's in the source dir. i have the source on there for everything |
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| 06:09.28 | themill | heston: if you're looking for lots of backports, it might be time to look at stretch given that it is all but frozen at this stage |
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| 06:11.31 | heston | Not sure what to expect with the Testing branch |
| 06:11.50 | themill | something that is very close to being releasable, I hope |
| 06:12.22 | heston | missmbob, ah right, I missed that. Cool thanks |
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| 06:33.36 | darxmurf | hi all |
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| 06:48.55 | M4dH4TT3r2 | Hello, I'm having some troubles with an nvidia graphics card installation, I have tried several tuts ending in the same results of booting to a black screen with a blinking underscore, with ctrl+alt+f1 I have terminal and have setup networking so I have internet access from there. Most of the tuts have me install the nvidia-driver and run nvidia-xconfig, currently when I try to startx or restart gdm3 I get "xinit: unable to connect to X server: connection r |
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| 06:51.23 | darxmurf | M4dH4TT3r2: what's the result of "lsmod | grep nouveau" ? |
| 06:52.29 | M4dH4TT3r2 | Just goes to the next line, no result |
| 06:52.49 | darxmurf | and lsmod | grep nvidia ? |
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| 06:54.28 | darxmurf | did you install the driver using the Nvidia installer or the debian package ? |
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| 06:55.59 | M4dH4TT3r2 | Shows nvidia, some numbers, 0 /n drm, some numbers, 5, ttm, drm_kms_helper, mgag200, nvidia /n i2c_core, some numbers, 6, drm, 12c_i801, drm_kms_helper, mgag200, i2c_algo_bit, nvidia |
| 06:56.23 | darxmurf | okay, so it's loaded |
| 06:56.29 | M4dH4TT3r2 | I've tried both darxmurf, most recently the debian pkg |
| 06:57.16 | darxmurf | and if you try to restart your Graphical Manager what's the result ? |
| 06:57.45 | tdn_ | On my Debian 7 servers, my ssh servers does only have a single RSA host key. But on my Debian 8 servers, there seems to be three host keys for each ssh server: RSA, EDSA and ED25519. What is the reason for adding the two extra ssh host keys on debian 8? What are the implications of removing all but one (RSA)? |
| 06:58.10 | darxmurf | M4dH4TT3r2: in another terminal, launch this: tail -f /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 06:58.18 | M4dH4TT3r2 | It loads to a black screen with a blinking underscore after I select debian in grub. My only option from there is ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 06:58.40 | darxmurf | which graphical manager is installed ? |
| 06:58.47 | darxmurf | gdm ? |
| 06:58.51 | M4dH4TT3r2 | Gdm3 |
| 06:58.59 | towo^work | before x-log better would be a lspci | egrep -i "vga|display|3d" |
| 06:59.20 | darxmurf | true |
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| 07:00.29 | M4dH4TT3r2 | Shows 2, Matrox and nvidia controllers |
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| 07:01.01 | M4dH4TT3r2 | Both listed as vga compatible controllers |
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| 07:01.50 | M4dH4TT3r2 | I think Matrox is the embedded |
| 07:02.19 | M4dH4TT3r2 | Which is what I'm using to get this terminal |
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| 07:02.55 | Vialas|2 | hello everyone |
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| 07:03.25 | Vialas|2 | jelly: hello mate, you still here? |
| 07:03.32 | Vialas|2 | hi somiaj hellooooooo |
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| 07:04.20 | Vialas|2 | ive 'successfuly' installed Debian onto my computer for now the 8th time |
| 07:04.27 | Vialas|2 | i seem to be having an issue with graphics driver? |
| 07:04.34 | M4dH4TT3r2 | Me too |
| 07:04.45 | Vialas|2 | whats your issue M4dH4TT3r2? |
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| 07:04.49 | M4dH4TT3r2 | 8th was 2 days ago |
| 07:04.55 | M4dH4TT3r2 | Nvidia |
| 07:05.14 | Vialas|2 | dang |
| 07:05.20 | M4dH4TT3r2 | Hello, I'm having some troubles with an nvidia graphics card installation, I have tried several tuts ending in the same results of booting to a black screen with a blinking underscore, with ctrl+alt+f1 I have terminal and have setup networking so I have internet access from there. Most of the tuts have me install the nvidia-driver and run nvidia-xconfig, currently when I try to startx or restart gdm3 I get "xinit: unable to connect to X server: connection r |
| 07:05.44 | M4dH4TT3r2 | Ya... |
| 07:05.49 | Vialas|2 | your better off than me M4dH4TT3r2 :( |
| 07:05.59 | Vialas|2 | my issue causes my comptuer to freeze it wont do anything |
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| 07:06.25 | M4dH4TT3r2 | How so? I been at this 2 days and this is as far as I've gotten :( |
| 07:06.32 | Vialas|2 | tried botting into level 3 but still no joy |
| 07:07.05 | M4dH4TT3r2 | Hello bazhang long time no see |
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| 07:07.21 | Vialas|2 | hmm irc crashed on me :( |
| 07:07.56 | Vialas|2 | no joy :( |
| 07:08.04 | slax0r | hi, is it possible to run a script when a display is connected/disconnected? |
| 07:08.11 | M4dH4TT3r2 | Any ideas darxmurf or towo^work ? |
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| 07:17.03 | M4dH4TT3r2 | lspci | egrep -i "vga|display|3d|" http://paste.debian.net/909456/ |
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| 07:18.19 | M4dH4TT3r2 | lsmod | grep nvidia http://paste.debian.net/909457/ |
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| 07:20.01 | towo^work | M4dH4TT3r2, you need that matrox device? |
| 07:20.17 | M4dH4TT3r2 | It's embedded so kinda |
| 07:20.31 | M4dH4TT3r2 | But I guess not |
| 07:20.33 | towo^work | can you disable it in your bios? |
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| 07:21.04 | towo^work | as long the matrox is your primary device, you cant use your nvidia card in the way you have tryed |
| 07:21.06 | M4dH4TT3r2 | No, tried looking for that |
| 07:21.31 | M4dH4TT3r2 | Ok can I rm it somehow? |
| 07:21.43 | towo^work | rm what? |
| 07:21.54 | M4dH4TT3r2 | Or change so that nvidia is primary? |
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| 07:22.04 | M4dH4TT3r2 | The Matrox dev |
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| 07:22.20 | towo^work | it's your hardware, i don't know |
| 07:22.39 | towo^work | if you can't set it in your bios, i have no clue |
| 07:22.40 | M4dH4TT3r2 | I know but it would still need a driver to exist |
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| 07:25.37 | M4dH4TT3r2 | startx http://picpaste.com/20170118_232358-UO4N5mz0.jpg |
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| 07:28.54 | darxmurf | if you disable the embedded VGA chip it will not be listed in linux then |
| 07:29.16 | M4dH4TT3r2 | xorg.conf http://paste.debian.net/909459 |
| 07:29.21 | mad_hatter | hey all -- so im doing a debian 8 install and I'm having a problem with debian supporting my wireless card. Apparently, I need some non-free firmware for it to be supported? Problem is I'm booting from a bootable USB stick with the debian netinstal iso on it. Is there a way that I can load the firmware onto the usb stick prior to booting from it so that the installer will automatically 'see' it and install it? |
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| 07:30.03 | M4dH4TT3r2 | Hi mad_hatter ... |
| 07:30.18 | missmbob | !firmware iso |
| 07:30.18 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
| 07:30.21 | missmbob | mad_hatter: ^ |
| 07:30.46 | smeert | hey guys |
| 07:31.17 | smeert | can i configure ssh server to work with passwords only from few IP's and from other IP's you need a key? |
| 07:31.28 | Zardoz | dpkg, you have that macro lmao that was fast... lol |
| 07:31.28 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
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| 07:32.10 | DexterF | hi |
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| 07:33.44 | mad_hatter | missmbob, thanks :) |
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| 07:34.11 | Zardoz | oh lmao |
| 07:34.25 | Zardoz | dpkg, is a bot |
| 07:34.26 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Zardoz |
| 07:34.38 | Zardoz | haha |
| 07:35.11 | DexterF | deb8+openbox, browser launch script in ~/bin/chromium.sh that launches chromium $URL. URL is sourced from /etc/default/chromkiosk from within the script. now - when I put chromium.sh in ~/.config/openbox/autostart it just launches chromium but ignores $URL. when I run it manually from a terminal, it works. why? |
| 07:35.54 | J-BBB | anybody know when the proftpd bug will fixed? -> https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2016-3125 |
| 07:36.07 | missmbob | DexterF: sounds like you need quotes |
| 07:36.13 | M4dH4TT3r2 | Went into bios again, it's already listed as "auto-detect" not "embedded-video" which bios says if it auto detects another controller it won't be the primary so that's not the issue |
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| 07:38.08 | M4dH4TT3r2 | Any ideas would be great... |
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| 07:40.59 | towo^work | M4dH4TT3r2, update-pciids && lspci | grep -i vga |
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| 07:42.54 | M4dH4TT3r2 | Same output as last lspci u gave me was, lists Matrox and nvidia controllers |
| 07:43.56 | DexterF | missmbob, quotes where? around the params in the default file, the programm call, its parameters..? |
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| 07:46.54 | towo^work | M4dH4TT3r2, what nvidia card that is? |
| 07:47.13 | M4dH4TT3r2 | Pny GeForce gt 710 |
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| 07:47.27 | M4dH4TT3r2 | New |
| 07:47.46 | darxmurf | and which nvidia driver version ? |
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| 07:48.20 | sawk | hello everyone |
| 07:48.29 | M4dH4TT3r2 | How do I check that |
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| 07:49.09 | darxmurf | dpkg -l | grep nvidia |
| 07:49.09 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep nvidia |
| 07:49.24 | sawk | does someone experimented random freeze with debian stretch and intel graphics drivers? I have a Thinkpad T410 that is working fine on Debian Jessie, but it's having freeze (then reboot) in stretch |
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| 07:50.02 | mad_hatter | so I downloaded the firmware netinst ISO, and I don't get the firmware errors anymore, but it fails to configure my network still with the error 'your network is probably not using DHCP protocol' |
| 07:50.09 | darxmurf | M4dH4TT3r2: on nvidia website they propose the 375.26 |
| 07:50.11 | towo^work | sawk, apt purge xserver-xorg-video-intel |
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| 07:50.29 | sawk | towo^work, I'm using wayland. Is that working anyway? |
| 07:50.43 | darxmurf | M4dH4TT3r2: http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/112992/en-us |
| 07:50.49 | sawk | (first time i use wayland :) ) |
| 07:50.57 | M4dH4TT3r2 | http://paste.debian.net/909462 |
| 07:51.27 | mad_hatter | any ideas what could be going on? |
| 07:51.28 | darxmurf | which debian version are you running ? |
| 07:51.42 | M4dH4TT3r2 | Yeah that was first one I tried darxmurf |
| 07:51.48 | M4dH4TT3r2 | Jessie 8 |
| 07:52.08 | darxmurf | you could install it without problem ? |
| 07:52.14 | darxmurf | (the driver) |
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| 07:52.27 | M4dH4TT3r2 | Yeah but reboot brought me to same place I am now |
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| 07:54.07 | darxmurf | I would anyway remove and clean the actual driver and X configuration, install the nvidia one and recreate a xorg.conf (it will ask you in the end of the installation) |
| 07:54.26 | darxmurf | then reboot and see |
| 07:54.51 | darxmurf | in you startx picture it says "no screen found" which is also a bit weird |
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| 07:55.01 | M4dH4TT3r2 | Ya |
| 07:55.18 | M4dH4TT3r2 | I have done what u mentioned there a few times |
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| 07:59.02 | towo^work | sawk, yes, it would |
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| 07:59.16 | towo^work | sawk, since even modesetting supports wayland |
| 07:59.20 | davidbo | Hi, my asrock eth0 isn't working, but i found a ubuntu workout. I should add the line "exec rmmod forcedeth" at next line of "script" in the file /etc/init/module-init-tools.conf. But debian jessie doesn't seem to have it. Where should i place this line? |
| 07:59.30 | sawk | ok thank towo^work |
| 07:59.38 | sawk | towo^work, i'm going to try... |
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| 08:01.23 | missmbob | davidbo: you can just create that file |
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| 08:03.55 | davidbo | missmbob, I'll try that. |
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| 08:07.16 | DexterF | missmbob: duuuh... I mistyped #!/bin/bash without the ! and it just parsed it but did not interpret the bash, so it did not source the config file because source is a bash builtin. I spent days on that :D |
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| 08:12.10 | laapstor | hello can you tell me how to identify sub domain from a tdl or how does the dns protocol identifies it. For example we have to two subdomains ba.co.google.com how does it know that co isn't a domain but a subdomain ?????? |
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| 08:15.40 | laapstor | anyone got an answer |
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| 08:21.02 | DexterF | laapstor, what's the debian specific part? |
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| 08:25.02 | laapstor | The debian part is when i use the debian's host and nslookup command to look up dns but the thing is how does this command know the differences ....??? |
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| 08:30.01 | grawity | laapstor: it doesn't *care* |
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| 08:30.09 | grawity | there is no difference |
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| 08:50.47 | macsim | hi, postfix package include sqlite support ? |
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| 08:52.54 | missmbob | macsim: yes |
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| 08:53.16 | RedBug | macsim: yes, the postfix depend : sed Size: 3,697 k |
| 08:53.16 | RedBug | Depends: libc6 (>= 2.14), libdb5.3, libicu55 (>= 55.1-1~), libsasl2-2, |
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| 08:53.39 | macsim | missmbob: thanks, how can I check that kind of things ? |
| 08:53.54 | macsim | just on depend ? |
| 08:54.10 | missmbob | yes it depends on postfix |
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| 08:54.19 | missmbob | postfix-sqlite |
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| 09:13.10 | dionysus69 | one question, should I delete the ruby 2.3.3 that comes with debian? for example, if I removed all rvm rubies, there was still ruby that comes with debian, wondering if it is safe. |
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| 09:23.28 | Psy-Q | dionysus69: depends quite a lot on what else you have installed. that ruby could be a dependency of something completely different, in which case you'd have to leave it there |
| 09:23.51 | Psy-Q | the system rubies don't interfere with ruby version managers usually (at least not with rvm and rbenv). so on a per-user basis, you can still easily switch between the system ruby and a local user ruby |
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| 09:24.43 | Psy-Q | if you run e.g. Phusion Passenger it will install a system ruby anyway and use that inside apache (but allow you to pick different RVM or rbenv rubies for each Rack application you want to host inside apache) |
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| 09:25.24 | Psy-Q | so if you only ever need some per-user rubies and don't have anything that depends on a system ruby, you can remove it :) |
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| 09:26.52 | fireant | dionysus69: you can delete it and use blank ruby pkg satisfying dependencies |
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| 09:33.53 | dionysus69 | Psy-Q, fireant: ruby -v shows the ruby that rvm controls, so I think system ruby wouldn't even be in reach for any possible dependency |
| 09:34.03 | dionysus69 | and what is blank ruby pkg ? :D |
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| 09:34.37 | dionysus69 | if rvm ruby is in path, it will satisfy dependencies right? unless some dependency isnt pointing to the ruby executable with a static url |
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| 09:35.19 | fireant | empty dummy pkg |
| 09:35.25 | fireant | named ruby |
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| 09:39.09 | Psy-Q | rvm does some shell shenanigans to insert its local ruby into the PATH before any other one |
| 09:39.37 | Psy-Q | so if one is set, that always takes precedence. but it will not satisfy dependencies unless there is also a package as fireant says |
| 09:40.24 | Psy-Q | if you run rvm as root, it will install to /usr/local/bin/ruby IIRC, so scripts should find it there. but the package manager won't know it |
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| 09:52.52 | dionysus69 | ye I guess I ll leave system ruby alone |
| 09:52.56 | dionysus69 | not that of a big deal |
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| 09:53.01 | dionysus69 | thanks all |
| 09:53.16 | treaki_ | hi folks |
| 09:53.33 | treaki_ | i am using debian with mate desktop and a lot of grafical programms (windows) opened |
| 09:53.48 | treaki_ | problem is that right now the auto switch of of my screen (dpms) dosent work |
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| 09:54.28 | treaki_ | and i see somethimes that the screensaver is interupted to something like user input, but there are no user input i am sure about |
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| 09:55.17 | treaki_ | so how can i now find out which of the manny programms i have running is causing this and maybe prohibit that other programms than i allow are able to prohibit screen shut down? |
| 09:55.21 | treaki_ | thanks in advance |
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| 10:30.13 | Josh | Heyho Guys :) |
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| 10:30.40 | Guest37005 | Could someone from you help me with a lil' problemß |
| 10:30.42 | kyellow | hey everyone |
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| 10:32.23 | Guest37005 | I have the task to compile the "pwgen" package. But the exact task is to stop at the second step "make" and finish there without installing the package itself (so without the make install command). My question now is: how am I able to open the programm "pwgen" from every directory without fully installing it. I know there is a way, but i don't know the way :D |
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| 11:13.46 | g0zzy | In Jessie Live looking at non-booting Jessie on disk. Do i have to chroot to reinstall grub or can i just reinstall directly? |
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| 11:15.04 | xXEoflaOEXx | g0zzy, use fdisk -l to check your disk then do sudo grub-install /dev/sdaX or /dev/hdaX then grub-update. |
| 11:16.47 | nwe | mm hello, how can I set IPAPPEND2 for efidefault (pxeboot) |
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| 11:21.52 | g0zzy | xXEoflaOEXx: it won't stupidly include the USB live in the boot menu will it? ;) |
| 11:23.12 | xXEoflaOEXx | g0zzy, Maybe it is not mounted. |
| 11:23.54 | g0zzy | Not with you ..? |
| 11:24.09 | petn-randall | Red_M: There are many people around. Better to ask your question, and someone who knows will be able to respond. |
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| 11:26.28 | sawk | does someone have a Thinkpad with Debian on it? |
| 11:26.42 | petn-randall | !survez |
| 11:26.46 | petn-randall | !survey |
| 11:26.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, survey is Don't ask whether 'somebody uses <app>' unless conducting a survey. Ask the question that you want to ask. |
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| 11:27.15 | xXEoflaOEXx | g0zzy, If it is not mounted then yes it does not. If it is mounted, then no, it does include it. |
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| 11:27.59 | petn-randall | sawk: ^^^ |
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| 11:28.35 | g0zzy | Thanks |
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| 11:28.53 | sawk | petn-randall, i'm having issues with Debian since I upgraded to stretch...the system freeze and reboot in random occasions |
| 11:29.06 | sawk | T410 is the model |
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| 11:29.39 | xXEoflaOEXx | sawk, Is it IBM Thinkpad or Lenovo Thinkpad? |
| 11:29.40 | sawk | tried to remove the intel drivers, installing the non-free microcode, but the issue didn't go away |
| 11:29.45 | sawk | Lenovo |
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| 11:30.43 | xXEoflaOEXx | sawk, stretch is not as stable. How about staying with Jessie or do you want the beta version? |
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| 11:32.11 | g0zzy | has reconsidered: will use System Rescue Disk's 'boot another linux' utility - that will eliminate other media |
| 11:32.19 | petn-randall | sawk: Do you have a way to rule out hardware problems? |
| 11:32.21 | sawk | xXEoflaOEXx, I used Jessie in the past, but I seen thet stretch touched the RC1 release, which is usually stable enough for me |
| 11:32.30 | ossii | &win 57 |
| 11:32.54 | xXEoflaOEXx | sawk, Jessie is the stable release. |
| 11:32.57 | sawk | petn-randall, I can't find a way to reproduce the bug, because it's random and it freeze the whole computer |
| 11:33.29 | sawk | xXEoflaOEXx, yeah, but packages are also really old |
| 11:33.50 | sawk | I needed few upgrades as GNOME and wayland to try out |
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| 11:34.37 | petn-randall | sawk: Do you use suspend/hibernate before this happens? |
| 11:34.42 | g0zzy | finds out (aargh) that System Rescue CD won't cope with systemd |
| 11:35.06 | sawk | petn-randall, I don't use suspend or hibernate. Only dark screen when lid is closed |
| 11:35.59 | petn-randall | sawk: First thing I'd do when it happens is try to ping and ssh into it from another machine, to check if it's just a graphical issue. |
| 11:36.06 | xXEoflaOEXx | sawk, Yes, They will be. How about waiting until squeeze is stable? maybe that is the known bug on squeeze that some users should expect. |
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| 11:36.45 | petn-randall | sawk: As a rule of thumb, the non-free CPU firmware helps against such glitches. |
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| 11:36.59 | petn-randall | sawk: Let's continue on the right channel, I'm also there. |
| 11:37.02 | petn-randall | !debian-next |
| 11:37.02 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 11:37.02 | sawk | petn-randall, You are right, but what abound the reboot? It looks like the kernel stucks and it reboots the machine |
| 11:37.23 | sawk | * Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only). |
| 11:37.24 | sawk | ;-) |
| 11:37.49 | sawk | was a joke |
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| 11:38.21 | xXEoflaOEXx | sawk, That means you create a new server to oftc and join #debian-next. |
| 11:38.36 | sawk | of course I know.. but i'm using ZNC.. |
| 11:38.48 | sawk | I need to configure it for 1 channel only :) |
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| 11:40.26 | petn-randall | sawk: This is the only Debian channel on freenode, pretty much all the others are on oftc. It's also the default for all IRC clients in Debian packages. |
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| 11:40.41 | sawk | petn-randall, i see |
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| 11:41.09 | petn-randall | it = OFTC |
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| 11:54.12 | MaxLanar | Hi, I have two outputs on my debian desktop : a VGA screen & an HDMI video-projector (VP). I boot my box and everything 's working well, I can choose the resolutions and the location (above, right, etc) of the screens with the default GUI tool coming with LXDE. The issue is the audio is output to my VP, wich has a weak speaker, and I can't manage to output it to my pc default sound card. The only way is to disable the VP, and then I'm |
| 11:54.12 | MaxLanar | able to enable the other sound card (with pavucontrol). But then I can't activate again the VP (the option's gone in the LXDE tool & xrandrd on CLI give me an "xrandr: cannot find crtc for output eDP-0"). graphic card : Integrated HD Grahics 530. What can I do to solve those issues ? (I can live without being able to activate again my VP (I'll don't deactivate it or just reboot), but to not be able to have decent sound while using my VP |
| 11:54.13 | MaxLanar | is very annoying). |
| 11:54.14 | xXEoflaOEXx | I edited all the sources of apt from jessie to squeeze, after I saved it, I tried to do apt-get update but came with the error of squeeze/main and squeeze-updates/main. in binary-i386 about having Packages file not found. |
| 11:54.35 | sawk | I eventually found this https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Linux_Guide/Freezes#Alt.2BSysRq |
| 11:54.41 | sawk | so i'll try that the next time |
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| 11:55.36 | xXEoflaOEXx | I am on VirtrualBox VM and not on my second computer. |
| 11:55.38 | g0zzy | Hmm. Looks like the problem goes further than just the boot sector. I got a 20GB SSD and e2fsck says that corruption is such that auto repair is not possible. How can a recent (< 1 month) Jessie install go so bad so quickly? |
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| 12:00.39 | xXEoflaOEXx | http://i.imgur.com/am4zil5.png |
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| 12:00.51 | jelly | g0zzy: hardware issues? Bad power? Could be lots of reasons |
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| 12:01.31 | g0zzy | I want to be careful before i start complaining to the SSD vencor |
| 12:01.35 | g0zzy | vendor |
| 12:02.29 | g0zzy | It's a laptop with a decent battery so sudden power loss can probably be eliminated |
| 12:02.35 | j3roen | Try running 'smart' tooling to see if the disk has issues |
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| 12:02.51 | xXEoflaOEXx | g0zzy, do fdisk -l and then do fsck on /dev/hdXY, or /dev/sdXY. |
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| 12:03.13 | g0zzy | Shall try smart |
| 12:03.27 | xXEoflaOEXx | g0zzy, in my case, it is /dev/sda1 |
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| 12:05.14 | phre4k | hi, is there an installer with a kernel >= 3.19 apart from the testing ISO? |
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| 12:05.43 | petn-randall | xXEoflaOEXx: What are you expecting? First, you can't downgrade releases, from jessie to squeeze is *two* releases backwards. Second, squeeze isn't supported anymore, so it's repository is archived. |
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| 12:06.49 | xXEoflaOEXx | petn-randall, OK. Thanks, I thiught squeeze is the new release but it turned out it is old. |
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| 12:08.17 | petn-randall | xXEoflaOEXx: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian_version_history |
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| 12:09.41 | g0zzy | Has passed smart health test. Also passed badblocks on read test |
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| 12:11.42 | g0zzy | I mean it's bad enough to refuse to mount from a Live |
| 12:12.56 | unborn | hi all, there was someone posting me link why not to use virtualmin - it was something like tell unborn about why... can anyone repost this again.. I finally managed everything doing by hand and configs...perhaps good time to move out from virtualmin... thanks :) |
| 12:13.05 | xXEoflaOEXx | petn-randall, so it is stretch. |
| 12:13.06 | petn-randall | g0zzy: Resumed from swap after another OS edited the filesystem? That's how I got to reinstall the last time. |
| 12:13.37 | petn-randall | xXEoflaOEXx: Depends on why and what you want to do. |
| 12:13.49 | petn-randall | xXEoflaOEXx: If you want newer software, jessie-backports is a better choice. |
| 12:13.55 | xXEoflaOEXx | petn-randall, OK. |
| 12:14.02 | g0zzy | petn-randall: Not in this case. I would guess that such extensive FS corruption is not likely to be caused by another component of the laptop, is it? |
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| 12:15.44 | petn-randall | g0zzy: If you open the filesystem with another OS, then the hibernated Debian will know nothing of these changes and on resume use the old data, thrashing the filesystem. |
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| 12:16.15 | petn-randall | g0zzy: There are a few ways to severely corrupt your filesystem, but they all take active measures to accomplish this. |
| 12:16.16 | xorox90 | Is there anyone who setup nfs+kerberos on debian? I follow this manual but encounter permission denied error.. https://wiki.debian.org/NFS/Kerberos |
| 12:16.34 | xXEoflaOEXx | xorox90, did you use sudo? |
| 12:16.38 | g0zzy | Yes, i think that scenario here is highly unlikely. I replaced a dud HD with a cheap (small) SSD from Ebay |
| 12:16.58 | xorox90 | xXEoflaOEXx I've done all job with root account |
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| 12:19.03 | xXEoflaOEXx | xorox90, Did you finish installation or you are at the beginning? |
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| 12:21.22 | g0zzy | Is it time to invoke the warranty? |
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| 12:21.56 | jelly | g0zzy: cheap ssd may also be buggy ssd |
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| 12:25.52 | g0zzy | 20GB - 20GBP |
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| 12:27.20 | g0zzy | But it does have a 3 month warranty. And here was i thinking that the only problem with SSD is likely to be write wear. But what do you think the balance of prob. is that it's a dosgy SSD? |
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| 12:29.18 | jelly | or one that has problems with a 2009 system |
| 12:29.51 | g0zzy | 2009? |
| 12:30.26 | jelly | a system from 2009 |
| 12:30.47 | jelly | the chipset and cpu in your T410. |
| 12:31.42 | g0zzy | Ah it's not a T410. But i'm typing this on one ;) |
| 12:32.42 | g0zzy | It's a Presario CQ58. Not sure of date |
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| 13:01.48 | g0zzy | Come on guys - let me poll you! Probability that massive fs corruption in this case is the fault of the disk? |
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| 13:05.56 | petn-randall | !bad poll |
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| 13:06.09 | petn-randall | pokes dpkg |
| 13:06.20 | petn-randall | !bad polls |
| 13:06.20 | dpkg | The reasons we hate polls are because: 1) they are a massive waste of IRC and bandwidth and screen real estate when asked in a 700 person channel. Did you want 700 answers? 2) They're often a prelude to isolating one helper and barraging him or her in /msg. BAD! 3) We don't care about Ubuntu, this is #debian. |
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| 13:08.27 | petn-randall | I like the end of 2). It reminds me of president-elect's twitter messages. |
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| 13:12.00 | secross754 | Anybody here know if Debian unstable fully supports cups, I cannot seem to find the add-instances option in localhost:163/admin |
| 13:13.37 | tomcres | !debian-next |
| 13:13.37 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 13:18.07 | themill | secross754: :631 not :163 |
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| 13:18.45 | secross754 | typo, :) |
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| 13:19.38 | Red_M | I have a potiental regression issue with debian 8.7 to do with opensslzsdcasdasd |
| 13:20.01 | Red_M | oops |
| 13:20.03 | Red_M | iognore that |
| 13:20.08 | secross754 | I can add the printer okay, send jobs to it, but want to make aliases with printer settings, change resolution and paper type color type etc... |
| 13:20.08 | somiaj | Red_M: have you checked the BTS? Oh nevermind |
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| 13:20.46 | g0zzy | As for the end of 2), i'm just i slightly desperate hack, not a hunting tiger |
| 13:21.04 | Red_M | somiaj: what is that |
| 13:21.16 | Red_M | I'm very distanced from the debian community |
| 13:21.25 | somiaj | Red_M: bug tracking system, all bugs, including regression bugs should be reported there |
| 13:21.34 | somiaj | g0zzy: what file system got corrupted? |
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| 13:23.28 | g0zzy | somiaj: the root. In Jessie |
| 13:23.32 | Red_M | somiaj: som can I get some help with that? |
| 13:24.07 | somiaj | g0zzy: I mean what file system? ext4, btrfs, zfsonlinux, etc? |
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| 13:24.32 | somiaj | Red_M: I thought you said it wasn't a bug in the end, but bugs.debian.org/packagename is a good first place to see if the bug has been reported. |
| 13:24.35 | g0zzy | ext4 |
| 13:24.40 | Red_M | it is |
| 13:24.43 | Red_M | for 8.7 |
| 13:24.48 | Red_M | 8.6 is unaffected |
| 13:25.04 | Red_M | but I can't narrow down the package |
| 13:25.05 | somiaj | Red_M: then check the BTS of the package that has the bug and see if anyone has reported it, if not report it |
| 13:25.09 | somiaj | !reportbug |
| 13:25.09 | dpkg | reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting, or <reportbug MTA> |
| 13:25.22 | somiaj | Red_M: if you explain it maybe someone here can help suggest a package |
| 13:25.39 | Red_M | I have a small list (I have auto upgrades turned on) |
| 13:25.43 | Red_M | with emails |
| 13:25.52 | Red_M | but I also have a gdb bt |
| 13:25.59 | somiaj | g0zzy: ext4 is the tried and well tested filesystem. Corruption would most likely be hardware in my opinion unless you have specifically done something strange with it. |
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| 13:26.41 | somiaj | g0zzy: any paticular errors youa re getting from the filesystem? |
| 13:27.04 | g0zzy | Well just well corrupted. It won't even mount |
| 13:27.07 | kardborren | Something is weird with my Mysql so I'm trying reinstalling /etc/mysql via "reinstall" of mysql-common in Synaptic. It recreates the /etc/mysql, but doesn't create the my.cnf file. Am I missing something obvious, why wouldn't it install that file, it's part of the package, after all... |
| 13:27.22 | somiaj | g0zzy: one thing you can try is boot from a live system and fsck the filesystem. |
| 13:27.28 | themill | dpkg: tell kardborren about confmiss |
| 13:27.32 | Red_M | somiaj: https://paste.pound-python.org/show/8xFcc31K86DvM2iXlEhs/ |
| 13:27.40 | g0zzy | Refuses to auto preen from a live - too corrupt |
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| 13:28.14 | somiaj | Red_M: that paste doens't tell me much, what program is crashing? |
| 13:28.17 | kardborren | themill: How 'bout that, never heard about it. Thanks |
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| 13:28.36 | somiaj | Red_M: is this a python script debian provided, or a custom one that isnt' working with the python in 8.7? |
| 13:28.40 | g0zzy | Even when passing -y to e2fsck i'd probably be there all day re-running it |
| 13:28.50 | Red_M | somiaj: I have python doing SSL with the builtin SSL for a web server |
| 13:28.55 | Red_M | non-debian |
| 13:29.10 | Red_M | but a change in a package has caused the problem |
| 13:29.13 | somiaj | g0zzy: do you see any hardware issues spouting in dmesg? |
| 13:29.17 | phre4k | hi, is there an installer ISO with a kernel >= 3.19 apart from the testing ISO? |
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| 13:29.49 | g0zzy | Good point. I should have looked - but didn't |
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| 13:30.49 | phre4k | the real question probably is if 8.7 has a kernel >= 3.19 |
| 13:31.40 | somiaj | phre4k: you can get a 4.8 kernel from jessie-backports, but you can't do this from the installer, you have to install it after |
| 13:31.42 | abrotman | phre4k: you can make your own if you'd really like |
| 13:31.48 | somiaj | phre4k: are you able to at least install on the 3.16 kernel? |
| 13:31.52 | abrotman | phre4k: but nothing exists currently |
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| 13:34.39 | somiaj | Red_M: on my system the only python package I saw updated recentally was python-uno |
| 13:35.14 | watmm | Hi, i'm having problem that i believe are jenkins related but i'm not sure. My swap usage grows and never decline. Examining /proc/*/status for VmSwap also shows little usage. Has anyone got a suggestions for better examining what's being stored in swap? |
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| 13:35.37 | somiaj | Red_M: check the logs of the upgrade in /var/log/apt or aptitude if you used aptitude, and then manually downgrade libs you think could be related to this until you identify the package that caused this regression. If you don't have copies of the old packages you can find them on snapshot.debian.org for trying to track down the buggy package. |
| 13:35.48 | somiaj | Red_M: I'm not that familar with what you are doing to have more suggestion than start digging. |
| 13:36.09 | rly | How can I make aunpack non-interactive? I.e. I want it to overwrite all files and not ask *any* questions. Doing -f does *not* do this. |
| 13:36.16 | Red_M | somiaj: thanks |
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| 13:37.30 | somiaj | rly: unpack of what? |
| 13:38.04 | rly | somiaj: zip archive. |
| 13:38.25 | somiaj | rly: with unzip? |
| 13:38.26 | g0zzy | somiaj: couple of firmware bugs, but maybe they're not too bad? [Firmware Bug]: ACPI: BIOS _OSI(Linux) query ignored [Firmware Bug]: ACPI: No _BQC method, cannot determine initial brightness. Latter looks like just a display thing. |
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| 13:38.50 | somiaj | g0zzy: that shouldn't be a problem, I would look for errors related to your disks. |
| 13:39.11 | rly | somiaj: yes |
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| 13:39.28 | rly | somiaj: or whatever is default, but it looks like unzip. |
| 13:39.43 | g0zzy | EXT4-fs (sda1): group descriptors corrupted! (when trying to mount /dev/sda1) |
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| 13:42.43 | g0zzy | somiaj: http://sprunge.us/KQCI is what happens with e2fsck |
| 13:43.00 | somiaj | rly: unzip -h show this option, -o overwrite files WITHOUT prompting |
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| 13:43.21 | g0zzy | Isn't that what is technically known as 'fooked'? |
| 13:43.56 | Hestben | g0zzy: I doesn't sound very well for that disk |
| 13:44.21 | somiaj | g0zzy: yae seems your file system is corrupt. Unsure why, or if it is hardware related. Since you don't seem to be getting any i/o errors or other hardware errors from your drive it could be something happened and corrupted the filesystem. You'll have to reinstall/recover from backups it seems. If this happens again then I would suppect hardware, but not sure on what is happening |
| 13:44.27 | g0zzy | But wtf happened to it i wonder? |
| 13:44.29 | Hestben | g0zzy: S.M.A.R.T may also deem it dying. |
| 13:44.40 | secross754 | what did he do, unzip to a device or partition? |
| 13:45.08 | g0zzy | Hestben: smart passes it actually. badblocks read too |
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| 13:45.56 | Hestben | g0zzy: Then, as somiaj says, it might be limited to the file system. |
| 13:46.02 | g0zzy | somiaj: do you think some kind of power surge might have been the cause? |
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| 13:47.00 | Vamp898 | Hi there, due to a new dependency, unattended-upgrades is holding back packages. I tried setting APT::Get::Upgrade-Allow-New "true"; but still he doesn't want to upgrade those packages. apt upgrade would do it just fine though... any idea how to change this behaviour? |
| 13:47.29 | somiaj | g0zzy: corruption is very rare on ext4 filesystems. But things can cause it, but I can't guess if it is something like a power outtage (that would be very rare), hardware, or something you did. |
| 13:47.55 | somiaj | Vamp898: what version of debian is this, and what packages are being held back, not there is a difference between 'upgrade' and 'dist-upgrade' |
| 13:47.57 | TomTomTosch | Vamp898: dist-upgrade allows the installation of new dependencies. |
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| 13:48.13 | Red_M | somiaj: python-crypto |
| 13:48.16 | rly | somiaj: that was not what I wanted to know and I already had found that option. I found an acceptable solution now, which *does* work in all cases. |
| 13:48.16 | Vamp898 | TomTomTosch: Is there a way to make unattended-upgrades use dist-upgrade? |
| 13:48.17 | beneroth | hi, where to find an ETA for openSSL fixes for wheezy (like for https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2016-7056 ) ? |
| 13:48.57 | rly | somiaj: I think unzip just has a bug. |
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| 13:49.19 | Red_M | beneroth: do you have the security repo enabled and installed? |
| 13:49.25 | somiaj | rly: works here just fine, unzip -o foo.zip overwrites everythign with no errors. |
| 13:49.29 | Vamp898 | libandroid-properties1 is the new dependency and "docker-engine liboxideqt-qmlplugin liboxideqtcore0 liboxideqtquick0 oxideqt-codecs" are held back due to this by unattended-upgrades |
| 13:49.33 | rly | somiaj: now try it again. |
| 13:50.12 | g0zzy | thinks the plan should be to reinstall. If it happens again, ditch the consumer-grade laptop |
| 13:50.16 | rly | somiaj: unzip -f -o -q -d mydir myfile.zip |
| 13:50.19 | rly | somiaj: try that. |
| 13:50.31 | rly | somiaj: that's going to break for you too. |
| 13:50.50 | rly | somiaj: I just ran strace on it. unzip is just a buggy program. Is there any replacement for it? |
| 13:51.20 | Vamp898 | @somiaj so in this specific case, its a bunch of Ubuntu 14.04.5 |
| 13:51.25 | somiaj | rly: zip is not the prefered archiver on linux. And it might just be the options you are mixing, -f and -o sound like the conflict. -f is 'freshen existing files' and -o is overwrite them. |
| 13:51.27 | g0zzy | often uses jar (Java JDK) instead |
| 13:51.49 | somiaj | Vamp898: so this is an issue with ubuntu packages and you are asking in Debian? |
| 13:52.01 | beneroth | Red_M, I believe so, I have "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free" and the related deb-src entry in my sources.list, is that what you meant? |
| 13:52.05 | rly | somiaj: if those options are conflicting, it should warn for that with an error message. |
| 13:52.06 | somiaj | g0zzy: tar is the standard archiver I would sugest. |
| 13:52.16 | rly | somiaj: but you are likely right. |
| 13:52.20 | g0zzy | Yes, but it's not equiv to unzip |
| 13:52.22 | somiaj | rly: I'm done, the -o option overwrites everythign jsut fine for me. |
| 13:52.26 | beneroth | Red_M, as I understand, there is no fix yet packaged for wheezy: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2016-7056 |
| 13:52.27 | rly | somiaj: the zip is a given. |
| 13:52.52 | g0zzy | ^^ |
| 13:53.07 | somiaj | rly: if there is a bug, report it to the BTS or if you think it is in upstream, report a bug there. |
| 13:53.30 | tomcres | p7zip-full also handles zip archives |
| 13:53.47 | tomcres | ,i p7zip-full |
| 13:53.48 | judd | Package p7zip-full (utils, optional) in jessie/amd64: 7z and 7za file archivers with high compression ratio. Version: 9.20.1~dfsg.1-4.1+deb8u2; Size: 902.6k; Installed: 3738k; Homepage: http://p7zip.sourceforge.net/ |
| 13:53.52 | somiaj | beneroth: you could ask on the wheezy-lts mailing list and see if they respond. It seems at least for jessie they are just going to include that fix in the next round of fixes, maybe this will then get used in wheezy-lts |
| 13:54.26 | beneroth | somiaj, alright, thank you! thanks to Red_M too |
| 13:54.38 | g0zzy | Thanks for the support folks |
| 13:54.41 | somiaj | beneroth: but i'm just using the info on the page you linked. |
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| 13:54.54 | somiaj | beneroth: i.e. [jessie] - openssl <no-dsa> (Can be fixed along with the next round of openssl vulnerabilities) |
| 13:54.56 | rly | somiaj: I got unzip to work without extra complexities for now. Thanks. |
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| 13:55.24 | beneroth | somiaj, yeah I know, I thought maybe someone here as more information or knows where to look for an ETA for wheezy. |
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| 13:55.57 | beneroth | somiaj, seems everything is there on security-tracker or one need to contact the specific people then, alright |
| 13:56.15 | somiaj | beneroth: wheezy-lts is the team that is supporting wheezy (since it isn't supported directly by security -- only indirectly), I think they have a mailing list, would be the place I would start if you want more info and not just wait until they get around to it. Though I assume wheezy-lts team will wait like jessie is. |
| 13:57.26 | beneroth | somiaj, alright. yeah, makes sense they handle it the same as the jessie team. I wasn't aware that wheezy-lts is its own team - makes sense - thank you for explaining :) |
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| 13:58.22 | somiaj | beneroth: yea debian security only supports oldstable for about a year after the release, but starting with squeeze a team has extened the life via seucirty support for i386/amd64 only and only for server side packages. |
| 13:58.26 | somiaj | !wheezy-lts |
| 13:58.27 | dpkg | Security support for Debian 7 "Wheezy" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2016-04-25. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures receive additional long term support (LTS) via <wheezy/updates> until 2018-05-31. See http://deb.li/2aC for excluded packages. No changes to /etc/apt/sources.list are needed for wheezy-lts. |
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| 13:59.34 | g0zzy | Oh just a quick one before i go - what about the possibility of this kind of corruption being caused by the laptop running on battery and that battery being removed while booted? |
| 13:59.54 | beneroth | g0zzy, thats a power failure, so yes, well possible |
| 14:00.40 | g0zzy | Right. Just that the scenario seems unlikely. Will ask owner. Maybe fault battery, housing etc... |
| 14:01.29 | beneroth | somiaj, thats good, yes, my case is about a server, so wheezy-lts team should be doing openSSL fixes. Thank you :) |
| 14:01.56 | somiaj | g0zzy: ext4 is usually okay at recovering from such outtages, but there are instances where it may not, maybe the outtage occured during fsck or something major going on |
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| 14:03.32 | Red_M | somiaj: I rolled python-crypto back and its now working with no segfaults |
| 14:03.41 | Red_M | which is really dumb |
| 14:03.50 | somiaj | Red_M: and if you upgrade it causes the bug? |
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| 14:04.09 | Red_M | the bug is very consisitent with deb8u1 |
| 14:04.14 | Red_M | but not b2 |
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| 14:04.31 | somiaj | Red_M: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=python-crypto;dist=unstable -- I see some regression bugs, check if they are related to yours, or report yours |
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| 14:04.47 | Red_M | I've responded to the paramiko one |
| 14:04.50 | meghnath | hello |
| 14:04.53 | jelly | somiaj: it's not just ext4, a consumer ssd may actively lie it wrote something down when it's still in its ram cache |
| 14:05.05 | Red_M | adding that it is a showstopper for other applications as well |
| 14:05.09 | phre4k | somiaj: sadly not, some hardware issue. I just install testing :D |
| 14:05.12 | somiaj | Red_M: yea that one is the one I would check. |
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| 14:05.30 | somiaj | phre4k: the other option is use a live cd and debootstrap and manually install jessie and the kernel from jessie-backports |
| 14:06.08 | phre4k | somiaj: nice idea, will look into that. |
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| 14:07.03 | Red_M | ... |
| 14:07.06 | somiaj | phre4k: note stretch is freezing, and will be frozen feb 5th, and released sometime after. It still lacks security support, but for a desktop if you can deal with no security support until the release running strech may be advisable. |
| 14:07.19 | Red_M | I think reportbug doesn't like me sending from my gmail account |
| 14:07.23 | Red_M | *likes |
| 14:07.25 | Red_M | oh well |
| 14:07.37 | somiaj | Red_M: it can, provided you set up exim to forward through your gmail account |
| 14:07.45 | Red_M | I haven't |
| 14:07.57 | Red_M | it forward all local mail to my own postfix install |
| 14:08.00 | Red_M | *forwards |
| 14:08.06 | somiaj | Red_M: https://wiki.debian.org/GmailAndExim4 |
| 14:08.13 | Red_M | cbb |
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| 14:08.20 | somiaj | Red_M: yea report bug is going to use the sendmail on your system, so will send mails using that |
| 14:08.44 | somiaj | Red_M: if you have a smtp sever that sends mails jsut fine you can use that, but you can also configure the mta to use say gmails smtp server |
| 14:08.47 | Red_M | I'll fix my machines then report a bug tomorrow |
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| 14:09.15 | somiaj | Red_M: you can also just send a email from gmail to bugnumber@bugs.debian.org, just select the send as plain text option so it wraps thigns nicely |
| 14:09.18 | Red_M | I'm tired and really bored (I've been workign for ~16 hours now) |
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| 14:10.00 | somiaj | Red_M: yea the bug is reported, unless you have info on how to fix it, at least you know it is a known issue. Get some sleep |
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| 14:12.56 | Guest92653 | I have this error |
| 14:13.00 | Guest92653 | root@glpi0:/home/serveur# apt-get install clamav clamav-daemon |
| 14:13.01 | Guest92653 | Lecture des listes de paquets... Fait |
| 14:13.01 | Guest92653 | Construction de l'arbre des dépendances |
| 14:13.01 | Guest92653 | Lecture des informations d'état... Fait |
| 14:13.01 | Guest92653 | E: Le paquet webmin doit être réinstallé, mais il est impossible de trouver son archive. |
| 14:13.01 | Guest92653 | root@glpi0:/home/serveur# |
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| 14:15.34 | Red_M | somiaj: now that I've done them all I'll see if my entire cluster is fixed |
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| 14:16.55 | jelly | dpkg, tell Guest92653 about localized errors |
| 14:17.02 | jelly | dpkg, tell Guest92653 about basic apt troubleshooting |
| 14:17.49 | jelly | Guest92653: is this actual debian or a derivative OS like raspbian? |
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| 14:18.29 | dwarfmut | hi guys... |
| 14:18.39 | dynek | 4 |
| 14:19.02 | dwarfmut | if I install multilib in debian system, its dangerous turn OS slower? |
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| 14:19.57 | gen01 | Hey guys! Does anyone have a clue of how to get the tcp.log from a dd-wrt router? I've added the public ssh key to my router but after that I'm clueless of what to do. |
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| 14:21.39 | Red_M | somiaj: my cluster is fixed after installing the b2 version |
| 14:21.50 | Red_M | thanks for helping me mate |
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| 14:41.22 | Zoroaster | Chromium extensions can be installed only if I put the --enabled-remote-extensions argument in sid. Anyone know why? |
| 14:42.04 | tomcres | !debian-next |
| 14:42.04 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 14:42.21 | Zoroaster | My question still stands |
| 14:42.52 | jelly | there's a better chance of it finding a seat in the -next channel |
| 14:42.55 | tomcres | your question is offtopic |
| 14:43.21 | Zoroaster | tomcres, I would go there if it wouldn't be on a different server |
| 14:43.24 | teraflops | Zoroaster: stand as in I dont want to join #debian-next, or as in I get no answer in #debian-next? |
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| 14:44.33 | teraflops | Zoroaster: but you have to ask there before, your excuse is just nonsensical |
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| 14:45.03 | Zoroaster | Whatever... |
| 14:45.10 | teraflops | !bail |
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| 14:45.54 | jelly | Zoroaster: the thing is, oftc = irc.debian.org, it's _the_ main debian irc server, you're more likely to have someone knowledgeable in sid there than this lone channel on freenode that predominantly caters to stable |
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| 14:46.56 | Zoroaster | jelly, too much of a bother |
| 14:47.01 | jelly | but hey, if connecting to a different server is more important to your health than possibly getting actual help, that's also a valid choice |
| 14:47.10 | g0zzy | Just had a nasty thought: what if it *was* that acpi firmware bug that caused the fs corruption? |
| 14:47.24 | jelly | g0zzy: what if it were gremlins |
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| 14:48.07 | g0zzy | Well, i mean how likely is it? |
| 14:48.38 | jelly | g0zzy: have you ever had or heard or read about such a situation? |
| 14:49.42 | g0zzy | Well no, but i don't have your vast experience ;) |
| 14:49.57 | jelly | neither have I |
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| 14:51.26 | g0zzy | OK. I'll consider that closed. I'll proceed with a reinstall |
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| 15:04.21 | CuSn | Hi; using a recent install of debian. When system idles out into suspend mode, I can't revive it by using the keyboard or mouse. I can ssh into it, but still can't get the display to reactivate. Is there some trick to this? (Linux 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.36-1+deb8u2 (2016-10-19) x86_64) |
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| 15:15.16 | carp_ | Hello! I am a newish user. Currently I have Jessie and Grub freshly installed and working. I have an old harddrive with xp installed on it. I have plugged it back in, but how do I get it to show up on the grub boot menu so I can dual boot? |
| 15:15.51 | somiaj | install the package os-prober and then run update-grub |
| 15:16.01 | somiaj | if that doesn't find it, then you'll have to manually configure grub to boot |
| 15:16.01 | carp_ | Note I had this set up and working properly a few months ago, but I cant figure out how to get grub to see the xp hard drive |
| 15:16.40 | petn-randall | carp_: what somiaj said should fix it. |
| 15:17.17 | carp_ | hello somiaj. Right, ok that sounds different from what I did the first time. If I recall right, it pretty much just found it on its own and I didnt have to install packages. But I will look into this more now, thankyou. |
| 15:17.26 | carp_ | thanks petn-randall |
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| 15:20.38 | carp_ | By the way, the reason I am where I am at, is because my Debian Jessie install, which was pretty much fresh in terms of installed extras and no downloads etc (but a couple of months old, used to just browsing the web occasionally) completely broke hehe. It froze, and when I rebooted it would go to a black screen. A long message about couldnt find orphaned nodes, and gave me a command line. But I chose to just fresh reinstall the OS. |
| 15:21.13 | CuSn | carp_: your hard drive may be failing. |
| 15:21.15 | carp_ | It seems to be working ok again now so I will roll with it :) |
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| 15:22.06 | carp_ | CuSn: hmm, that would be a shame. Its a brand new hard drive western digital. |
| 15:22.17 | CuSn | carp_: run smartctl diagnostics on the drive to get a report. It may be about to go bad. |
| 15:22.30 | carp_ | righto |
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| 15:22.52 | CuSn | carp_: yeah, new ones typically don't go bad, but a small number just happen to. |
| 15:23.00 | carp_ | i dont have anything saved on it apart from the debian install. yeah |
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| 15:23.22 | CuSn | thats good. :-) |
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| 15:30.26 | grumpy | any one guide me about debian |
| 15:30.39 | grumpy | i am ubuntu user |
| 15:30.43 | grumpy | 16.04 |
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| 15:31.25 | bezaban | !ask |
| 15:31.25 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 15:32.22 | grumpy | ask! i wana learn debian step by step i mean linux |
| 15:33.03 | Pavr | you expect someone to guide you through everything in here? |
| 15:33.33 | pron | okay |
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| 15:33.40 | bezaban | grumpy: you won't get a personal guide, but there is a lot of written documentation online. If you encounter specific problems with your _debian_ system, this is a good place to get help |
| 15:33.41 | pron | debian what have you done with golang |
| 15:33.42 | pron | :x |
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| 15:34.07 | grumpy | pavr i want to learn linux from someone who can guide me daily n give me some task to do |
| 15:34.07 | Pavr | grumpy, maybe google some articles about "how to get started with linux" |
| 15:34.37 | pron | anyone can give me tips how golang from backports is ment to be used |
| 15:34.51 | grumpy | Pavr i have tried but confused which to chose which not |
| 15:35.12 | carp_ | ok, os-prober was already latest version, and 'sudo update-grub' looks like it has worked. Going to reboot now brb |
| 15:35.23 | Pavr | grumpy, installing some variant of linux would be a great place to begin. since you're here why not try installing debian grumpy ? |
| 15:36.46 | Pavr | !install |
| 15:36.46 | dpkg | There are a myriad of different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images and ask me about <netinst>, <various cd1> and <firmware images>. See also <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 15:36.47 | somiaj | grumpy: the netinstaller is fine to install debian, if you are installing over wifi (which requires non-free firmware for the network) you can use the unoffical firmware installer. |
| 15:36.49 | grumpy | Pavr i am using ubuntu 16.04 at home and windows 10 in office where i spend mpre time |
| 15:37.34 | grumpy | pavr can i use some terminal or online emulation on my windows to learn linux |
| 15:37.48 | grumpy | pavr or i heared about xen |
| 15:37.51 | somiaj | grumpy: you can install debian in virtual box from windows |
| 15:38.12 | ScottPilgrim | grumpy, VirtualBox is free and easy to use |
| 15:38.18 | grumpy | somiaj can u guide step by step |
| 15:38.32 | somiaj | grumpy: no, go read some of the docs. |
| 15:38.41 | grumpy | wait i am going to switch on my windows 10 |
| 15:38.46 | Zardoz | I use KVM |
| 15:39.33 | grumpy | i read but failed to install there is no enough instruction for how to install virtual box |
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| 15:39.58 | ScottPilgrim | grumpy, you shouldn't even need instructions for VirtualBox, just download and run the installer |
| 15:40.00 | Pavr | you click next in the installer |
| 15:40.29 | bezaban | !doesnt work |
| 15:40.30 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
| 15:40.30 | grumpy | any one tel me from where to download plz |
| 15:40.51 | Pavr | you have to be trolling. |
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| 15:41.11 | somiaj | grumpy: you are asking for to much hand holding, if you don't take some effort on your own, people will be less inclined to help you. |
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| 15:41.32 | bezaban | lets just conclude debian isn't for him |
| 15:41.32 | JordiGH | youtube-dl is creating mkv files that VLC says it doesn't have a codec for (what?! VLC failed to open something?) |
| 15:41.44 | somiaj | JordiGH: try mpv? |
| 15:41.47 | JordiGH | How do I get VLC the MKV codecs it needs. |
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| 15:41.57 | grumpy | i wanted to be just sure i install the rite thing to begin learning |
| 15:41.58 | somiaj | JordiGH: or it could be you are missing some codec. |
| 15:42.14 | ScottPilgrim | grump, go to http://www.virtualbox.org |
| 15:42.21 | JordiGH | somiaj: I didn't know it was possible for VLC to be missing a codec. |
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| 15:42.40 | grumpy | thanks scot i install n then come back |
| 15:42.55 | somiaj | JordiGH: Unsure, I would assume they would all be installed. I don't use VLC, I've always used mplayer, which the newer fork is mpv |
| 15:42.55 | JordiGH | somiaj: Okay, mpv works. Now I just have to learn its UI so I can listen to FFVII boss battle on repeat. |
| 15:43.01 | grumpy | any specific virsion to install for devian? |
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| 15:43.22 | ScottPilgrim | make sure you download the "Windows host" |
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| 15:43.44 | ScottPilgrim | you will see it when you get to the DL page |
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| 15:44.29 | grumpy | is there a virtual box for android? |
| 15:44.51 | ScottPilgrim | no there is no VirtualBox for Android |
| 15:45.04 | grumpy | i m all the time with my android phone |
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| 15:45.15 | ScottPilgrim | interesting side-note... there *IS* a DOSbox for Android, which will run up to Windows 3.11 |
| 15:45.24 | grumpy | ok scot i m going to install win host |
| 15:45.36 | petn-randall | grumpy: You'll have to ask the android folks. We only support and know about Debian in here. |
| 15:46.10 | somiaj | grumpy: note this is a debian support channel, so installing virtual box really isn't supported here. But for the most part virtualbox is like most windows programs, it should install and just work. Next download the debian netinstall for jessie, and then point virtual box at it. |
| 15:46.23 | n4dir | Well, perhaps that would be an option for Android on VirtualBox http://www.android-x86.org/ |
| 15:46.34 | grumpy | ok brd after done with virtual box |
| 15:46.35 | somiaj | grumpy: well installing virtual box on windows or andriod. |
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| 15:47.02 | grumpy | win 10 |
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| 15:47.29 | petn-randall | hands grumpy a /. |
| 15:47.42 | petn-randall | ... or a windows 10 CD, whatever you need. |
| 15:47.46 | grumpy | i am going to install on my win 10 machine |
| 15:47.51 | ScottPilgrim | Oh GOD! Who the hell wants Android on x86?? :O |
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| 15:48.10 | ScottPilgrim | What a shame |
| 15:48.23 | ScottPilgrim | I don't want Android on anything |
| 15:48.29 | grumpy | scot i am sorry if i made anyone feel bad |
| 15:48.45 | jelly | I don't want to have to care about OSes but... |
| 15:48.49 | jelly | !nopony |
| 15:48.55 | jelly | !nopony me |
| 15:48.55 | dpkg | jelly: http://www.brainfuel.tv/wp-content/uploads/2006/03/nopony.jpg |
| 15:48.56 | ScottPilgrim | no worries, i have time for some hand-holding right now |
| 15:48.58 | grumpy | i m beginner i make mistake i ask tol many question |
| 15:49.21 | Pavr | grumpy, take some of them and put them into google. |
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| 15:49.38 | grumpy | done it povr |
| 15:49.38 | somiaj | grumpy: just rember, put some effort into this, try to figure things out and then ask when you aren't sure. Better than having everythign pointed out. |
| 15:49.44 | grumpy | scot thanks |
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| 15:50.35 | ScottPilgrim | np grumps |
| 15:50.38 | carp_ | Yep its all working now. I can dual boot into debian and my old xp machine. Cheers guys! |
| 15:50.39 | grumpy | somiaj guide me all i am asking to know what if i am doing rite or wrong |
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| 15:51.47 | grumpy | DL Virtualbox 5.1.14 windows host |
| 15:52.12 | ScottPilgrim | good stuff. keep the page open, because you may want to go back and download the expansion pack |
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| 15:52.46 | ScottPilgrim | I'll explain that later |
| 15:52.48 | jomofcw | Hello ! |
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| 15:53.05 | JordiGH | somiaj: Eh, `while true; doe mpv boss-music.mkv; done` |
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| 15:53.19 | grumpy | my net is slow scot its says 22 min to dl vbox |
| 15:53.58 | grumpy | tel me so i let the expension also Start dl |
| 15:54.04 | jomofcw | I would like to search for file name containing a date like ".yyyymmdd" and to list it. Performing "find . -regex '\.201[56][0-9]{4}'"" return me nothing :s. What's wrong with my command line, please ? |
| 15:54.25 | somiaj | JordiGH: well glad you got it to play, unsure why vlc doesn't like those files. |
| 15:54.29 | ScottPilgrim | grmpy: DCC me when you are running the installer... my attention will be away for a bit |
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| 15:55.13 | setuid | Can someone please try to get to deb.torproject.org/torproject.org for me? Seems to be DOA today. |
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| 15:55.19 | grumpy | i dont know how to dcc i m using irc cloud on my android can i pvt msg u |
| 15:55.20 | setuid | so all of my updates/upgrades are failing |
| 15:55.38 | Rephlexie | setuid, works for me |
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| 15:55.53 | setuid | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:55.57 | ScottPilgrim | oh I see |
| 15:56.10 | setuid | Fails in a browser also, I wonnder if this hostile network is blocking it |
| 15:56.28 | ScottPilgrim | nvm then, I'll check back in 20 |
| 15:57.02 | ScottPilgrim | I am actually still here, just looking at a different screen |
| 15:57.15 | Rephlexie | setuid, yeah thats the case imo, that host is fast as hell for me |
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| 15:57.43 | grumpy | i msg u private scot |
| 15:57.52 | petn-randall | setuid: "no route to host" sounds like you didn't set up the networking properly. |
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| 15:58.09 | setuid | petn-randall, Networking works fine, all other sites and updates work fine, just not that one |
| 15:58.24 | setuid | Not sure if the remote end is down, or if my network is being filtered upstream from me |
| 15:58.26 | petn-randall | setuid: 'mtr -t 69.191.240.158' |
| 15:58.26 | setuid | Sounds like the latter |
| 15:59.22 | Red_M | somiaj: that package wasn't causing the issue |
| 15:59.34 | Red_M | :( |
| 16:02.06 | n4dir | jomofcw: only shooting an idea (i fiddled a bit, not saying it is a solution): find . -name '201[5-6]0[0-9]04' |
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| 16:04.39 | setuid | petn-randall, Yep, unresolvable fromm this end |
| 16:05.05 | setuid | mtr shows it DOA |
| 16:05.46 | petn-randall | setuid: same here |
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| 16:06.04 | jomofcw | n4dir hello ! In fact the righ answer is "find . -regex '.*\.201[56][0-9][0-9][0-9][0-9]'" , the {4} is not compatible with the default regex syntax of the command find. |
| 16:06.43 | n4dir | ah cool then. I didn't run in the regex option yet, hence my workaround. |
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| 16:27.48 | phre4k | which user is exim running as? htop shows me Debian-exi+ but I think it's truncated, how do I show the user and where do I set it? |
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| 16:29.21 | jelly | phre4k: stupid way, getent passwd|grep ^Debian |
| 16:29.35 | Zoroaster | Is there some Debian equivalent of the vim-guicolorschemes package on archlinux that has lots of colorschemes? |
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| 16:37.58 | porton | In gFTP editing file times is missing. which alternative GUI FTP client to use? |
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| 16:43.12 | thanatos-inc_ | porton: filezilla or a file manager with good ftp support (spacefm, konqueror, krusader) |
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| 16:44.07 | porton | thanatos-inc_: I thought Konqueror as a file manager is superseded with Dolphin. Isn't it? |
| 16:45.41 | glockenspiel | OK, System went into suspend mode, pressing a key start up the drive and reactivated network connections. I can ssh in, but the display, keyboard and mouse will not "wake up". How can I wake them up. (am ssh'd in) |
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| 16:45.51 | porton | Dolphin shows 1970 year as the creation date of a file |
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| 16:46.13 | glockenspiel | porton: unlikely. :-) |
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| 16:46.40 | glockenspiel | porton: thats just UNIX's date for a zero time entry. |
| 16:46.54 | glockenspiel | aka "epoch" |
| 16:46.57 | porton | glockenspiel: I know |
| 16:47.01 | glockenspiel | sorry |
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| 16:47.45 | somiaj | Red_M: back to the drawing borad, though I would just get some sleep, come back with fresh eyes |
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| 16:52.55 | porton | thanatos-inc_: Contrary to your advice, it seems that FileZilla cannot edit file create date |
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| 16:54.21 | glockenspiel | set the system time to whatever time you need, cp the file away, delete the original, cp the copy back, reset time back to actual time |
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| 16:55.13 | porton | glockenspiel: thanks for the advice. it is a good advice but I want a better FTP client which will do all of this for me with just right mouse click |
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| 16:56.27 | AlexLikeRock | abrotman, hello |
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| 17:02.00 | abrotman | AlexLikeRock: ? |
| 17:02.06 | AlexLikeRock | could you remove ban of me at #debian @ OFTC , tanks |
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| 17:02.36 | abrotman | AlexLikeRock: are you done trolling that channel?' |
| 17:02.40 | AlexLikeRock | I already behaved well |
| 17:02.46 | abrotman | That's untrue |
| 17:02.57 | AlexLikeRock | since "ban" |
| 17:03.03 | AlexLikeRock | im not trolling |
| 17:03.20 | abrotman | you were trolling |
| 17:03.23 | abrotman | don't do it again, thanks |
| 17:03.25 | abrotman | good luck |
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| 17:05.19 | gebruiker | linux mate is more actively developed than xfce . WHy? |
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| 17:05.37 | AlexLikeRock | no Not exactly trolling,Rather debating |
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| 17:07.12 | glockenspiel | gebruiker: Level of maturity? Desirse of developers? |
| 17:07.20 | glockenspiel | *desires |
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| 17:11.54 | somiaj | gebruiker: what gives you that idea? |
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| 17:12.29 | somiaj | note mate took a lot of stuff (well most) from gnome2, and gnome is a big project so it had a good starting point. But I think xfce is more active, but mate has a fair comunity too |
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| 17:13.47 | gebruiker | somiaj: because 4.12 has been released in 2015 feb and is still in arch and debian sid the same version |
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| 17:14.02 | gebruiker | somiaj: mate release 1.16 couple of months ago |
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| 17:15.47 | somiaj | gebruiker: oh so the issue is how quickly the desktop gets into debian? |
| 17:15.52 | somiaj | ,v xfce4 |
| 17:15.53 | judd | Package: xfce4 on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.8.0.3; jessie: 4.10.1; stretch: 4.12.3; sid: 4.12.3 |
| 17:16.23 | gebruiker | somiaj: no i am just curous ... those are just deductions |
| 17:16.51 | somiaj | gebruiker: you'll have to talk to xfce communit to see their release schedule. It could be they are waitin off a new release for various reasons. |
| 17:16.52 | gebruiker | i already got my answer from an xfce dev |
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| 17:17.14 | gebruiker | basically: low funds + some devs no activity |
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| 17:18.07 | somiaj | yea that happens to some projects. Also some fairly stable projects have lows until. I don't judge a project based off of how quickly it relases new stuff. But I use fvwm which hasn't had much of a change since 2010ish |
| 17:18.44 | porton | I want an SSH GUI client. Dolphin/Konqueror/(other KDE) is not suitable because they show wrong file creation date |
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| 17:19.25 | somiaj | porton: you can install putty in debian/linux |
| 17:19.27 | somiaj | ,v putty |
| 17:19.28 | judd | Package: putty on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.62-9+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 0.62-9+deb7u3; jessie: 0.63-10+deb8u1; jessie-security: 0.63-10+deb8u1; stretch: 0.67-2; sid: 0.67-2 |
| 17:19.55 | somiaj | porton: though why not just get a good terminal and just use ssh from that? I think an actual terminal you like would be better than the one from putty |
| 17:24.44 | porton | somiaj: I don't understand how to transfer files with PuTTY |
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| 17:25.47 | somiaj | porton: ssh doesn't transfer files, were you wanting an sftp client? |
| 17:26.04 | porton | somiaj: how sftp differs of ssh? |
| 17:26.21 | somiaj | porton: ssh is for accessing a shell on a remote machine, sftp is for transfering files. |
| 17:26.31 | porton | SFTP is "SSH file transfer protocol". I thought it is one |
| 17:26.31 | somiaj | porton: they both use openssl and the same server, but they do different things. |
| 17:26.49 | porton | somiaj: Yes, I understood this |
| 17:26.59 | somiaj | porton: so you want an sftp client (not an ssh client)? |
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| 17:27.10 | porton | I will start Midnight Commander on the server to manipulate files |
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| 17:27.14 | somiaj | porton: gftp is one that supports sftp and uses gtk |
| 17:27.27 | porton | somiaj: gFTP does not support editing file dates |
| 17:27.50 | Night_Elf | What about the use of 'scp' command ? I use that a lot for transfering single files. |
| 17:28.22 | porton | Night_Elf: it is convenient for single files, not for bulk editing which I may need, it also seems not to help to edit file dates |
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| 17:28.30 | somiaj | porton: usnure if this is something that sftp supports or not. In that case why not just ssh and edit them using cli tools? |
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| 17:28.58 | porton | somiaj: I have told that I am going to use mc |
| 17:29.07 | hicks_ | you can also use sshfs to mount the remote dir locally and edit locally, or use sftp:// in thunar to explore as a normal fs |
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| 17:29.27 | somiaj | porton: you seem to have specific needs that I'm not familar enough with, seems you have looked at the options I know of. |
| 17:29.33 | porton | hicks_: I know |
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| 17:29.56 | hicks_ | then I jumped in too late and missed the question :) |
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| 17:30.51 | Night_Elf | porton: I see. So then this might be better? http://lftp.tech/features.html |
| 17:31.35 | porton | It seems that MC does not support editing file create date |
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| 17:35.03 | porton | OK, I can connect to SSH using FUSE. But I need also a file manager which allows editing file creation time. Which file manager supports this? |
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| 17:36.57 | Pavr | Doesn't seem like a standard thing to do. Haven't seen any filemanager that supports that. |
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| 17:41.33 | Mortvert | Hello. |
| 17:41.36 | Night_Elf | porton: most probably you would need to write something on your own to manipulate file creation times. I remember I saw something like that ages ago in a book about POSIX programming |
| 17:41.52 | Mortvert | What would be the best desktop for debian for a netbook? Besides xfce. |
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| 17:42.00 | porton | Night_Elf: I can use `touch` command |
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| 17:42.12 | Mortvert | (I couldn't figure out for the life of me how to delete dead commands from the application menu) |
| 17:42.38 | tomcres | mortvert lxde is pretty lightweight and functional |
| 17:42.48 | Mortvert | Isn't it the same as xfce? |
| 17:43.05 | tomcres | no, it's a completely different DE |
| 17:43.27 | Mortvert | Is it a total pain to remove stuff from start menu there too? |
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| 17:43.58 | somiaj | Mortvert: depends on what .menu file you are using, for the most part this should update as you install/remove software. |
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| 17:44.13 | Night_Elf | porton: oh yes indeed. So then why don't you use that really? |
| 17:44.24 | porton | Night_Elf: I wanted an UI |
| 17:44.26 | Mortvert | somiaj - fun thing is it didn't |
| 17:44.33 | Mortvert | on xfce at least |
| 17:45.08 | somiaj | Mortvert: You may get better help asking about this in an xfce channel. But the lxde has a different menu. I use it on my system and stuff is added/removed as I install/remove programs. |
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| 17:45.35 | somiaj | Mortvert: but it could be the menu was generated, and just needs to be regeneratd in xfce. Since I don't know xfce I cna't be of much more help (hence go ask the xfce community) |
| 17:45.44 | Night_Elf | porton: if all else fails, you can even use the touch command with zenity and UI-ify it that way. |
| 17:46.00 | Night_Elf | sort of. |
| 17:46.07 | `Kevin | porton: atime,mtime are somewhat user setable but ctime is always based on current time when written |
| 17:46.12 | Ninjablade | hiee |
| 17:46.29 | porton | `Kevin: OK, I've just discovered I need mtime not ctime |
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| 17:46.37 | Ninjablade | I need some help.. |
| 17:46.42 | Mortvert | somiaj - eh, I'll just reinstall the thing entirely |
| 17:46.44 | Mortvert | with LXDE |
| 17:46.55 | somiaj | Mortvert: you dno't need to reinstall, you can have lxde and xfce side by side |
| 17:47.13 | somiaj | Mortvert: just install lxde and try it out, go back to xfce if you don't like it or look at other alternatives |
| 17:47.32 | Mortvert | shrugs |
| 17:47.35 | porton | bye |
| 17:47.45 | Mortvert | I'm testing stuff right now |
| 17:47.50 | Mortvert | I don't want to have 30 WMs |
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| 17:49.28 | Ninjablade | is there anybody to help me |
| 17:49.40 | Pavr | !ask |
| 17:49.40 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 17:50.42 | niggard | hello, debs. what's best practice for automount? /mnt is not reachable by non-root users (even if they are in wheel group), I could mount into a user's dir, but I'm not sure if that's right (because sometimes I'll probably use root user to do something in that mount and everything root touches usually becomes unavailable for other users) |
| 17:51.29 | Ninjablade | how to crack .cap file?? |
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| 17:52.12 | niggard | Ninjablade: aircrack-ng |
| 17:52.31 | Mortvert | Heh, I wonder if aircrack works with broadcom chips |
| 17:52.38 | Ninjablade | aircrack-ng is too old ithink |
| 17:52.43 | Ninjablade | i think |
| 17:52.56 | Mortvert | this is one of older broadcom chips |
| 17:53.25 | Ninjablade | it requires crunch list |
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| 17:53.57 | Ninjablade | huge list |
| 17:54.04 | Mortvert | huh, compat list on aircrack site says yes |
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| 17:54.35 | Ninjablade | i need advance technique to crack .cap file |
| 17:55.25 | Ninjablade | is any help?? |
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| 17:56.15 | petn-randall | Ninjablade: Are you using Kali? |
| 17:56.36 | Ninjablade | yeah bro |
| 17:57.08 | MaxLanar | Hi, I have two outputs on my debian desktop : a VGA screen & an HDMI video-projector (VP). I boot my box and everything's working well, I can choose the resolutions and the location (above, right, etc) of the screens with the default GUI tool coming with LXDE. |
| 17:57.15 | tomcres | !kali |
| 17:57.15 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
| 17:57.17 | MaxLanar | The issue is that the audio is going to my VP, wich has a weak speaker, and I can't manage to output it to my pc default sound card. The only way to do that is to disable the VP, and then I'm able to enable the other sound card (with pavucontrol). But then I can't activate again the VP (the option's gone in the LXDE tool & xrandrd on CLI give me an "xrandr: cannot find crtc for output eDP-0"). |
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| 17:57.28 | MaxLanar | My graphic card : Integrated HD Grahics 530. What can I do to solve those issues ? (I can live without being able to activate again my VP (I'll don't deactivate it or just reboot), but to not be able to have decent sound while using my VP is very annoying). |
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| 17:58.43 | Ninjablade | petn-randall: Hey bro help me |
| 18:00.09 | Ninjablade | help me dudes |
| 18:00.39 | tomcres | we do not support Kali here |
| 18:01.35 | Ninjablade | why bro @tomcres |
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| 18:01.48 | tomcres | !based on debian |
| 18:01.48 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 18:02.05 | petn-randall | Ninjablade: Try asking in the proper channel. |
| 18:02.18 | Mortvert | I suspect ninja is about 14 |
| 18:02.25 | Mortvert | with 'bro' and all |
| 18:02.44 | Ninjablade | i am new to here can you please tell me the channel |
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| 18:03.01 | petn-randall | !tell Ninjablade -about kali |
| 18:03.09 | petn-randall | Ninjablade: Read dpkg's PM to the end. |
| 18:03.21 | SpaceAce | is duplicity (http://duplicity.nongnu.org/index.html) reliable to use? |
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| 18:05.04 | Ninjablade | ok all the best debain |
| 18:05.48 | petn-randall | Ninjablade: Good luck! |
| 18:06.06 | Mortvert | hahaha oh wow, my netbook's wireless is faster than ethernet |
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| 18:07.08 | MaxLanar | Mortvert: that is weird ^^ |
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| 18:07.18 | Mortvert | MaxLanar - well, it's a netbook. |
| 18:07.21 | Mortvert | 7 years old |
| 18:07.47 | dwarfmut | hey... somebody know lemote yeelong laptop? |
| 18:08.09 | petn-randall | pulls on cigarette. |
| 18:08.23 | petn-randall | That's a name I have heard in years. |
| 18:08.32 | tomcres | isn't that what rms used to use? |
| 18:08.35 | MaxLanar | dwarfmut: it's the thing with a free bios no ? |
| 18:08.55 | dontknow | it is stallmans old laptop. only user of it |
| 18:09.14 | dwarfmut | tomcres: yes, rms use it |
| 18:09.31 | dwarfmut | i dont found for buy him |
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| 18:10.57 | dwarfmut | lenovo thinkpad T60 its a good laptop for linux ? |
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| 18:11.24 | dontknow | it is stallmans new laptop |
| 18:11.38 | dwarfmut | dontknow: t60? |
| 18:11.41 | FrNcS_Rf | Hey, can you help me? I can't create an ext4/btrfs partition |
| 18:11.46 | dontknow | yes |
| 18:11.56 | dontknow | or t61. i don't remember well |
| 18:11.56 | dwarfmut | dontknow: cool... |
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| 18:12.06 | dontknow | he uses it with libreboot |
| 18:12.11 | dwarfmut | dontknow: why linux users use a oldest laptops? |
| 18:12.27 | dontknow | because you make them more free |
| 18:12.44 | dontknow | its cpu etc doesn't require intel me |
| 18:12.50 | tomcres | older laptops also tend to have better supported hardware |
| 18:13.26 | `Kevin | try running windows 10 on an older laptop, let me know if/how long it takes to boot etc .. |
| 18:13.43 | tomcres | frncs_rf which are you trying to create: ext4 or btrfs? |
| 18:13.56 | FrNcS_Rf | gparted log+partition layout > https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/jewZQ6eH/irccloudcapture115212545.jpg |
| 18:14.12 | dwarfmut | i have a T60 laptop... its a cool, i will use it... |
| 18:14.20 | FrNcS_Rf | I tried with ext4 and btrfs and none of them worked |
| 18:14.28 | FrNcS_Rf | No i want ext4 |
| 18:15.00 | FrNcS_Rf | Also, i can't merge the 1MB allocate to the new partition i want to create |
| 18:15.08 | FrNcS_Rf | Unallocated* |
| 18:15.28 | petn-randall | FrNcS_Rf: 1 MB is probably too small to create a ext4 partition. |
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| 18:16.40 | dontknow | dwarfmut, cool. you can install libreebot (free bios) on it |
| 18:16.40 | FrNcS_Rf | No, i want to create a partition of 50 gb but when add space, it selects only 49999mb for the new partition and leaves 1mb unallocated, but the partition is gb |
| 18:16.59 | FrNcS_Rf | 50gb* |
| 18:17.06 | dwarfmut | dontknow: thanks, i do it... :d |
| 18:17.21 | petn-randall | FrNcS_Rf: That is probably because gparted is set to align everything to 1 MB offsets. |
| 18:17.48 | FrNcS_Rf | And how to change that? |
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| 18:18.21 | FrNcS_Rf | I'm using gparted live |
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| 18:21.36 | `Kevin | FrNcS_Rf: perhaps http://gparted.org/display-doc.php?name=help-manual#gparted-specify-partition-alignment |
| 18:22.07 | `Kevin | but id suggest you either fix the extended ntfs partition so that it aligns or forget the 1MB |
| 18:22.41 | `Kevin | 1MB isnt worth mis-aligning blocks(performance, disk life, etc) |
| 18:22.43 | tomcres | 1 MB is less than a floppy |
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| 18:23.07 | colo-work | 640k ought to be enough |
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| 18:23.19 | Night_Elf | For everyone. |
| 18:23.23 | blackflow | tomcres: double density. sd ones were 720k. good old times :) |
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| 18:23.50 | FrNcS_Rf | `Kevin: there are not ntfs partition extended |
| 18:23.56 | FrNcS_Rf | They are primary |
| 18:24.10 | FrNcS_Rf | I dunno how to change then |
| 18:24.15 | FrNcS_Rf | Them |
| 18:24.32 | pos | colo-work, Night_Elf, nice one ;) |
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| 18:25.40 | FrNcS_Rf | And when create partition, as error i get only "unable to satisfy all constraints on the partition" |
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| 18:27.55 | FrNcS_Rf | After googled i've seen that i need to set "align to" to none |
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| 18:29.11 | `Kevin | FrNcS_Rf: if you want slower performance and a shorter disk life for 1MB then yes |
| 18:29.17 | FrNcS_Rf | Still same error but at least i don't have 1mb unallocated |
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| 18:29.29 | petn-randall | FrNcS_Rf: You can probably do it on the command line, and get < 1 MB extra, but what's the point? |
| 18:30.17 | FrNcS_Rf | So, do i need to leave that 1mb unallocated or no? |
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| 18:30.58 | Night_Elf | Yes. It is nothing in a disk of 500+ GB |
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| 18:31.29 | manuelschneid3r | in which header can I find XCBs screen_of_display? |
| 18:31.43 | FrNcS_Rf | Ok, i'll leave it |
| 18:32.02 | `Kevin | FrNcS_Rf: if you cannot fix the previous partition (align the one before the 1MB) then yes |
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| 18:32.24 | `Kevin | at least that is my suggestion |
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| 18:33.00 | FrNcS_Rf | I've found how to align without 1mb unallocated |
| 18:33.20 | FrNcS_Rf | But i'm confused on if i need it or no |
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| 18:34.49 | Night_Elf | Most probably not. Personally I don't see any use of that operation, unless for academic purposes to learn how to NOT have it there. But otherwise 1MB more or less makes no difference at all. |
| 18:35.38 | FrNcS_Rf | Ok, so i decide to not leave it |
| 18:36.05 | FrNcS_Rf | Now i try with fdisk, but i'm scaried of broke something |
| 18:36.57 | Pavr | it'll work fine with the 1mb spacing between the two partitions |
| 18:37.27 | FrNcS_Rf | No, i still get |
| 18:37.29 | FrNcS_Rf | 7:25 PM <FrNcS_Rf> And when create partition, as error i get only "unable to satisfy all constraints on the partition" |
| 18:38.05 | FrNcS_Rf | On parted i don't see free space |
| 18:39.08 | FrNcS_Rf | Ok now i see it :D |
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| 18:40.27 | Pavr | it looks like you already have 4 partitions in your image |
| 18:40.49 | smeert | hey guys |
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| 18:40.53 | Pavr | damn nope it's extended nevermind. |
| 18:41.00 | smeert | what do i need to run a virtual machine on debian with only ssh access? |
| 18:41.10 | FrNcS_Rf | I have 1) arch 2) parrotsec 3) efi 4) swap |
| 18:41.21 | FrNcS_Rf | Now i want to add gentoo |
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| 18:41.29 | FrNcS_Rf | Eating time, laters :) |
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| 18:44.34 | Night_Elf | smeert: a hypervizor (like virtualbox) and an installer iso image to install from. Then activate only the ssh service/daemon. |
| 18:44.52 | smeert | hwo do i add a new vm with virtualbox+ssh? |
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| 18:45.54 | Night_Elf | smeert: You create a vm in virtualbox. You make sure networking is not set to NAT but to bridge, otherwise you won't be able to ssh into the vm. |
| 18:46.12 | smeert | how do i create it and run the installation? |
| 18:46.29 | FrNcS_Rf | I'm back :P |
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| 18:47.15 | Night_Elf | smeert: I guess you follow the steps that virtualbox takes you to. virtualbox is quiite self explanatory. |
| 18:47.39 | smeert | Night_Elf: but without the gui, its new to me |
| 18:47.44 | smeert | i have vbox on a windows host |
| 18:48.22 | FrNcS_Rf | can you give me the parted command for create a partition using the free space? (the one after number 2) https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/VFpPKDfW/irccloudcapture1161105087.jpg |
| 18:48.58 | tomcres | frncs_rf are you even running debian? |
| 18:49.08 | FrNcS_Rf | Yes |
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| 18:49.14 | FrNcS_Rf | Debian based |
| 18:49.20 | tomcres | !based on debian |
| 18:49.20 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 18:49.39 | Night_Elf | smeert: so you want the vm to be without a gui. Well, the debian text-mode/console installer is the same as the gui one. Only in text mode. :) |
| 18:49.55 | FrNcS_Rf | Aww |
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| 18:50.23 | smeert | Night_Elf: sure, but if i can only ssh to the host. i cant use text-mode installer, can i ? :) |
| 18:50.33 | FrNcS_Rf | Gparted live is considered debian? :D |
| 18:50.58 | Night_Elf | smeert: You just need to pay attention to not select the "Desktop" entry when the time comes to select what you want to install, and choose ssh only. |
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| 18:51.26 | smeert | Night_Elf: hmm what? |
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| 18:51.35 | Night_Elf | smeert: You don't have the host machine near you? |
| 18:51.47 | smeert | but i cant get to the selecting anything |
| 18:51.55 | smeert | i can start the vm from the command line |
| 18:51.56 | smeert | but what then |
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| 18:53.06 | Night_Elf | smeert: I am actually confused. You asked how to install debian in a vm with only ssh active in it. And the host system where the vm will be created is a windows system. Am I correct? |
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| 18:54.37 | smeert | no :) |
| 18:54.43 | smeert | i have used vbox on windows host |
| 18:54.49 | smeert | but this is debian host with only ssh |
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| 18:55.23 | somiaj | smeert: no one has physical access? You can try to set up a preseed to get you to the ssh installer, thought unsure on the details here, you may need to debug this locally. |
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| 18:55.49 | Night_Elf | smeert: So this is a remote machine where you can only ssh into and you want to create a vm in it then? |
| 18:55.53 | somiaj | smeert: you could also use debootstrap and manually make an install inside a filesystem image, and then make it bootable. |
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| 18:59.13 | smeert | Night_Elf: yes |
| 18:59.23 | smeert | somiaj: no idea how to |
| 19:00.46 | somiaj | smeert: it is the making it bootable I am unsure on in a vm. But that is a manuall way, so easiest is have someone do the intro steps to get the ssh install server running, after that you can either use preseed or as I a more manual approach. |
| 19:01.32 | smeert | i would really like to do that |
| 19:01.47 | Night_Elf | smeert: then you need to make sure that this remote machine has virtualbox installed. And then after you ssh into it, you need to do some reading here: https://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch08.html |
| 19:01.48 | smeert | BUT, since i lack on skills, i think im going to try if VNC works :P |
| 19:02.22 | somiaj | smeert: yea that may work, and you may just need to tunnel the vnc connection though ssh. |
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| 19:03.53 | Night_Elf | smeert: or, or, again if in this remote machine there is virtualbox installed, you ssh to it like "ssh -u username hos.t.ma.chine.ip -X -C" and once loged in, you give the command: VirtualBox |
| 19:04.31 | smeert | -X -C? |
| 19:04.50 | Night_Elf | smeert: You would get the Virtualbox gui localy redirected to you via those flags. |
| 19:05.10 | smeert | problem is, im running windows now |
| 19:05.22 | Night_Elf | smeert: important: What are you using locally? Windows or linux with gui ? |
| 19:05.35 | smeert | windows |
| 19:05.37 | Night_Elf | smeert: and what do you use to ssh connect ? |
| 19:05.44 | smeert | putty |
| 19:05.57 | Night_Elf | smeert: Search and use Moba xterm. |
| 19:06.29 | Night_Elf | smeert: it provides gui redirect capabilities. Or an X server in the tech parlance. |
| 19:06.47 | smeert | hmm |
| 19:06.50 | smeert | i really need to look on that |
| 19:06.59 | Night_Elf | smeert: you will love moba xterm |
| 19:07.43 | Night_Elf | smeert: http://mobaxterm.mobatek.net/ |
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| 19:09.05 | smeert | thanks |
| 19:09.45 | Night_Elf | smeert: And if I remember correctly, you don't need to worry about those -X and -C flags. moba xterm will take care for that on its own. But I am not sure and can't verify as I am on linux now. |
| 19:10.51 | Night_Elf | smeert: you're welcome. |
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| 19:11.41 | niggard | I love moba xterm |
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| 19:13.10 | smeert | not quite sure how to use this :D |
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| 19:15.07 | Night_Elf | smeert: you create a ssh connection. fill in the remote address, username, etc and then connect. Once inside the remote machine you try to run "VirtualBox" (capitalization matters). |
| 19:15.17 | smeert | then, how to see it? |
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| 19:16.14 | smeert | oh, it just took awhile |
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| 19:16.59 | Night_Elf | smeert: But if virtualbox is not installed there, then you will either need to have it installed or use something else which is installed, like KVM or xen. But Those are more complicated and esoteric to use. |
| 19:17.15 | smeert | it is installed |
| 19:17.18 | smeert | not working yet though |
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| 19:17.49 | smeert | http://puu.sh/ts0mJ/481c9a7fdf.png |
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| 19:18.52 | Night_Elf | smeert: Either you will need to install the missing components of virtualbox there, or someone else (the machine admin?) should. |
| 19:19.00 | smeert | im the admin |
| 19:19.05 | smeert | as funny as it is |
| 19:19.12 | smeert | im going to do aptitude purge virtualbox and do it again |
| 19:19.16 | smeert | its a very old install |
| 19:19.31 | smeert | but yeah, using virtualbox is not possible with moba |
| 19:19.32 | Pavr | read the message you just posted in the image. did it work installing that package? |
| 19:19.39 | smeert | Pavr: no |
| 19:19.41 | Night_Elf | smeert: is is. |
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| 19:20.29 | Night_Elf | smeert: you lack some components of virtualbox in that remote machine. There is nothing wrong with moba xterm. |
| 19:20.41 | Pavr | did it still return that error after you installed the vbox dkms package and headers? |
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| 19:21.22 | smeert | does it matter if i use apt-get or aptitude? |
| 19:21.28 | smeert | Pavr: same error |
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| 19:22.56 | Night_Elf | smeert: shouldn't matter. |
| 19:23.06 | somiaj | virtualbox is in contrib, that could be an issue |
| 19:23.21 | smeert | yeah i cant actually install it |
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| 19:24.02 | somiaj | smeert: do you have contrib enabled in your repos? |
| 19:24.17 | smeert | nope |
| 19:24.21 | somiaj | add it |
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| 19:24.27 | Mortvert | Alright, got LXDE running |
| 19:24.29 | somiaj | virtualbox is in contrib, not main |
| 19:24.29 | smeert | deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main contrib |
| 19:24.35 | Night_Elf | smeert: I have a line in /etc/apt/sources.list that installs virtualbox from oracle. deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian wheezy contrib |
| 19:24.37 | smeert | just add that to sources.list? |
| 19:24.59 | Mortvert | Now here's a fun thing - Wicd Network Manager does not find any wireless network until I *DISABLE* wi-fi |
| 19:25.00 | somiaj | smeert: add the contrib to the end of your current sources |
| 19:25.04 | somiaj | smeert: you wdon't need to add new lines |
| 19:25.05 | Mortvert | Any idea how I can fix that? |
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| 19:25.33 | somiaj | Mortvert: is network-manager installed (could be another tools is trying to manage the wifi connection) |
| 19:25.45 | Mortvert | fresh debian install so I don't think so |
| 19:25.47 | smeert | somiaj: to all sources? |
| 19:25.48 | Mortvert | How do I check? |
| 19:25.57 | smeert | or security too |
| 19:26.12 | somiaj | Mortvert: did you use your wifi when you installed? |
| 19:26.19 | somiaj | smeert: you will want secrutiy updates so yes. |
| 19:26.34 | Mortvert | yes, used that netinst image with firmware blobs |
| 19:26.56 | smeert | what is this contrib thing anyway? |
| 19:27.05 | somiaj | Mortvert: it would have put the wifi info in /etc/network/interfaces. Comment out or delete the lines regarding your wifi info |
| 19:27.07 | Mortvert | because broadcom chip |
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| 19:27.30 | somiaj | smeert: things that meet the DSFG, but for depend on a non-free component. |
| 19:27.41 | somiaj | smeert: virtualbox is there because the virtual bios has to be built with non-free software. |
| 19:27.55 | Mortvert | somiaj: it did not |
| 19:28.01 | smeert | eh, Night_Elf what process is "metaballs -root" ? |
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| 19:28.09 | Night_Elf | smeert: this is my /etc/apt/sources.list https://paste.debian.net/909587/ |
| 19:28.10 | smeert | somiaj: DSFG? |
| 19:28.31 | Night_Elf | smeert: I have wheezy. You probably should adapt for jessie. |
| 19:28.39 | Mortvert | auto lo |
| 19:28.39 | Mortvert | iface lo inet loopback |
| 19:28.39 | Mortvert | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:28.46 | Mortvert | is what I see |
| 19:28.53 | smeert | Night_Elf: oh ok |
| 19:28.59 | Mortvert | nothing about wlan0 |
| 19:29.02 | somiaj | smeert: https://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 19:29.05 | Night_Elf | smeert: and don't forget to ALWAYS run "apt-get update" after modifying sources.list |
| 19:29.13 | somiaj | Mortvert: then check for network manager, dpkg -l | grep network-manager |
| 19:29.18 | smeert | Night_Elf: no, im running aptitude update :) |
| 19:29.30 | Night_Elf | smeert: that's good too yes. |
| 19:29.41 | Mortvert | somiaj: nothing |
| 19:30.16 | somiaj | Mortvert: unsure then, so once you click on manage wifi, it isn't remebering those settings? |
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| 19:31.19 | Night_Elf | I'll have to be going now. Cheers all. |
| 19:31.43 | smeert | Night_Elf-away: thanks bye |
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| 19:32.50 | Mortvert | somiaj: not that |
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| 19:33.14 | somiaj | Mortvert: I don't use wicd, I went through the common things to check. Unsure what your issue could be |
| 19:33.15 | Mortvert | I boot up computer. I have to open wicd network manager and click "Disable Wi-Fi" |
| 19:33.29 | Mortvert | Only then it finds wireless networks |
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| 19:33.43 | teraflops | Mortvert: it as in wicd itself? |
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| 19:34.12 | somiaj | to me that seems as if something else is configuring the network and wicd is ignoring the interface because it is configured |
| 19:34.18 | Mortvert | tr |
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| 19:34.20 | somiaj | when you boot you should check ip addr and see what wlan0 is configured as |
| 19:34.22 | Mortvert | teraflops: - yes |
| 19:34.26 | teraflops | ugh |
| 19:34.40 | aurorality | hey, i installed debain on a laptop, and I cant even login (GUI or text) because the CPU stalls out and the computer hangs. any idea how to debug this? |
| 19:35.21 | Mortvert | I'll try changing wpa-supplicant to nl80211 |
| 19:35.29 | Mortvert | brb reboot |
| 19:35.59 | smeert | http://puu.sh/ts1oi/4019746638.png im safe on the memory, right? |
| 19:36.02 | smeert | Green is the real usage? |
| 19:37.20 | somiaj | !free memory |
| 19:37.21 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
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| 19:38.25 | n4dir | wondering what my computer[s] do wrong. They always have loads of free memory |
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| 19:38.58 | gebruiker | ? |
| 19:39.02 | gebruiker | why is that a problem? |
| 19:39.17 | somiaj | n4dir: it won't pointlessly use cache, do you do much disk i/o? |
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| 19:40.25 | somiaj | m4rcu5: if you arne't activally modifying/editing files there is no need to cache them (idea is to save on disk i/o since it can be a bottle neck, and also why not properly unmounting a file system can cause errors if the data was still in cache) |
| 19:40.32 | n4dir | nah, rather not. |
| 19:40.33 | somiaj | m4rcu5: arg...that was for n4dir |
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| 19:41.46 | n4dir | back then there was a docu in debian docs-dir, by Eric Raymond, from the 90's. He said; with such huge amount of Ram we got today, we hardly need swap. He spoke of 64 MB. lol |
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| 19:42.25 | teraflops | swap is always a good idea it's not about the amount of ram you have |
| 19:42.33 | somiaj | haha, yea I don't use swap on my system, and I have way more ram than I use, though after a while cache does get used as I do a lot of file editing |
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| 19:42.44 | n4dir | can't recall when i used swap the last time. |
| 19:43.02 | somiaj | teraflops: why do you think it is a good idea. I've heard that it can help if you have a memory hole, but only because disk i/o is slow so it takes time to use it all up. |
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| 19:44.02 | smeert | http://puu.sh/ts1So/879859fbb2.png so how much do i really have used/free memory? |
| 19:44.43 | somiaj | smeert: due to shared and buffers hard to give an exact number, but roughly 'used - cached' |
| 19:44.48 | tomcres | smeert the "-/+ buffers" line |
| 19:45.07 | somiaj | or yea, read the next line... |
| 19:45.42 | Iridos | n4dir, hibernation doesn't work without enough swap, iirc. |
| 19:45.43 | teraflops | somiaj: https://lwn.net/Articles/690079/ |
| 19:45.51 | smeert | so about 1.5Gb of free ram ? |
| 19:46.41 | n4dir | I don't do hibernation, Iridos, but now that you say it: i think i heard that too |
| 19:46.58 | tomcres | smeert yes |
| 19:47.44 | Pavr | smeert, is it a vps? |
| 19:48.07 | smeert | my little intel atom |
| 19:48.14 | Pavr | nice |
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| 19:48.24 | Mortvert | that did a whole lot of nothing |
| 19:48.36 | Mortvert | Still have to press "Turn Wi-Fi Off" to get it to work |
| 19:48.39 | somiaj | yea hibernation requires all your currently used memeory can fit on swap |
| 19:49.07 | smeert | hmm, virtualbox only uses one core? |
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| 19:49.14 | teraflops | Mortvert: sounds like the wireless nic is manages elsewhere |
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| 19:49.28 | Pavr | smeert, you decide |
| 19:49.28 | teraflops | managed* |
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| 19:49.43 | smeert | Pavr: seems to use only one core |
| 19:49.43 | Mortvert | teraflops: funny thing about this that it worked fine with connectionmanager on xfce |
| 19:49.52 | tomcres | smeert by default, yes, but you can change it |
| 19:49.56 | smeert | how+ |
| 19:49.57 | somiaj | smeert: afaik you can configure how many cores you give it access to, but it may default to 1. |
| 19:49.57 | smeert | ? |
| 19:50.03 | n4dir | did you already check if /etc/network/interfaces has according entries ; Mortvert (assuming debian still uses it, i am not so sure) |
| 19:50.06 | smeert | i mean not the vm, the host process itself |
| 19:50.06 | Mortvert | guess I have to toss wicd and install connection-manager? |
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| 19:50.17 | teraflops | Mortvert: does rfkill say something useful? fo you have a phisical switch for enabling the wireless there? |
| 19:50.17 | somiaj | n4dir: already went down that route. |
| 19:50.31 | smeert | oh yeah damn my bad, gave only one core |
| 19:50.32 | Mortvert | teraflops: there is a physical switch but it also works via software |
| 19:50.32 | somiaj | m4rcu5: did you check that indeed your wlan0 interface was configured at boot by something? |
| 19:50.33 | n4dir | ups, missed that, i only read about network-manager, sorry. |
| 19:50.34 | teraflops | Mortvert: no NM running at all? |
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| 19:50.46 | Mortvert | nm isn't installed |
| 19:50.47 | somiaj | Mortvert: ^^ |
| 19:51.02 | Mortvert | fresh install of lxde |
| 19:51.11 | smeert | hmm, i cant add cores to the vm |
| 19:51.12 | Mortvert | lxde netinst slaps wicd |
| 19:51.22 | somiaj | smeert: you may have to restart it to do that. |
| 19:51.51 | smeert | somiaj: restart the host itself? |
| 19:52.12 | somiaj | smeert: I think the guest, provided you made the change. The config change may not affect running guests. |
| 19:52.21 | n4dir | you could stop wicd-gtk and start it from a terminal, perhaps the messages will shed a bit of light |
| 19:52.30 | Pavr | you can't change the config while the guest is running |
| 19:52.31 | smeert | somiaj: the guest is shut down at the moment |
| 19:52.42 | somiaj | wicd has good log files, check them out in /var/log/wicd |
| 19:52.43 | Mortvert | n4dir: or I could install connection-manager and toss wicd |
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| 19:52.52 | n4dir | or that. |
| 19:52.56 | somiaj | maybe it says why it is ignoring the device |
| 19:53.16 | n4dir | i can't find that the file interfaces was already checked. Are you sure? |
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| 19:54.01 | Iridos | n4dir, I only ever hibernate, given any choice (on the personal machines/desktops) |
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| 19:54.49 | n4dir | ha ha. the brutal truth: i didn't hibernate once in my life. That is funny |
| 19:54.57 | teraflops | n4dir: same here lol |
| 19:55.16 | n4dir | i guess no one will belief that. teraflops :-) (form a gang?) |
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| 19:55.18 | smeert | ah, maybe its because the CPU does not support virtualisation |
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| 19:55.35 | tomcres | I wish I could get suspend/hibernation working on my PC. :-/ |
| 19:55.50 | Mortvert | is there a lxde gui for connectionmanager? |
| 19:55.54 | Pavr | smeert, are you trying to run virtualbox on your intel atom box? |
| 19:56.03 | smeert | Pavr: where else ;) |
| 19:56.13 | teraflops | tomcres: sometimes it gets wonky |
| 19:57.22 | Mortvert | ugh |
| 19:57.29 | Mortvert | I have to install gnome for network-manager? |
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| 19:57.50 | somiaj | tomcres: any paticular issue with it? I have found suspend fairly relyable (though new hardware and some buggy hardware has trouble with it) |
| 19:58.02 | somiaj | Mortvert: probabaly only a few libs, not all of gnome. |
| 19:58.14 | Mortvert | good to know. nm-applet I imagine |
| 19:58.24 | tomcres | teraflops sometimes it immediately wakes up; other times it just hangs. Of course, it works great on Windows. :-( But I prefer Debian over Windows. Non-working PM seems like a small price to pay. |
| 19:58.44 | teraflops | Mortvert: nope, but if you want the applet you'll need a few libraries |
| 19:58.53 | teraflops | tomcres: yeah wonky ;) |
| 19:59.24 | Mortvert | teraflops: is the nm-applet network-manager-gnome? |
| 19:59.27 | teraflops | tomcres: you're not alone from what I read, also what somiaj said |
| 19:59.38 | teraflops | Mortvert: I think so |
| 20:00.04 | teraflops | Mortvert: but you won't need it if you do nmtui |
| 20:00.13 | Mortvert | nmtui? |
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| 20:00.31 | teraflops | the tui it is self explanatory |
| 20:00.39 | smeert | this sure is slow as hell |
| 20:00.44 | teraflops | s/is* |
| 20:01.01 | Mortvert | teraflops: eh, I want to have something in my tray to indicate that I am connected. |
| 20:01.18 | teraflops | then go for the applet |
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| 20:01.42 | Mortvert | network-manager-gnome is only 17 megs |
| 20:01.43 | Mortvert | huh |
| 20:01.54 | Mortvert | thought it'd have to grab half the gnome like some things |
| 20:02.20 | JT|work | have any of you guys seen USB hard drive errors in dmesg since upgrading debian? I have 2 identical usb drives on my system, one is a backup drive that's only spun up once a week and they both died at the same time. I did some searches and found that some newer kernel was reporting false positives, but that's not what we're running on stable. |
| 20:02.26 | JT|work | I find it hard to believe they both died at the same exact time |
| 20:04.59 | heston | how did you verify they died and also, it could easily be your enclosure setup |
| 20:05.15 | heston | were they externally powered? Or powered off usb |
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| 20:08.22 | heston | JT|work, ^ |
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| 20:14.01 | smeert | hey btw guys |
| 20:14.18 | smeert | when installing debian/ubuntu, guided always makes partition+swap |
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| 20:14.27 | smeert | usually it makes the swap too big for my taste |
| 20:14.31 | g0zzy | At the risk of sounding stupid, do i really need to install task 'print server' just to connect to some network printer? |
| 20:14.34 | Mortvert | tossing wicd and related daemons worked |
| 20:14.42 | Mortvert | Why, I have no idea. |
| 20:14.53 | Mortvert | connection-manager works fine |
| 20:14.57 | smeert | then i do the partitions manually, is it ok to make swap first and the root partition afterwards? |
| 20:15.15 | Mortvert | I guess that wicd doesn't like broadcom chips |
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| 20:26.59 | heston | smeert, as long as your master boot record is correct and indicated which partition is bootable, I dont believe it matters |
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| 20:27.39 | smeert | right |
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| 20:33.16 | ws2k3 | i have a few machines that have a gigabit nic connected to a gigabit switch but still run on 100 mbit i already investigated the switch port and thats 1000gbit, is there anyway to debug this issue? |
| 20:33.48 | smeert | does the connections show a 100M or 1000M? |
| 20:33.56 | smeert | or is the speed just slow? |
| 20:34.06 | ws2k3 | smeert 100m |
| 20:34.50 | ws2k3 | smeert and i have connected them with cat6a patch cables. factory made so not self made. and they are 2 meters long. so its unlikely its the cable(i think) |
| 20:34.58 | JT|work | heston: externally powered, everything plugged into a UPS. I know they're failing because I see lots of errors in dmesg |
| 20:35.01 | smeert | managed switch? |
| 20:35.08 | ws2k3 | smeert yes |
| 20:35.18 | smeert | can you force the links to gigabit? |
| 20:35.26 | ws2k3 | smeert cisco, i have also tryed a clean install of debian 7 and debian 8 both show 100 mbit |
| 20:35.34 | ws2k3 | smeert yes i can but it wont work |
| 20:36.00 | teraflops | yes I can or yes I did? |
| 20:36.16 | Mortvert | sounds like the software on machine is setting the card on 100mbit? |
| 20:36.20 | smeert | ws2k3: what if you only have one computer attached? |
| 20:36.23 | heston | JT|work, if they're externally powered, the power supply you used may have killed the drives somehow. But you need to test the drives in another computer and ideally directly connected to the system bus |
| 20:36.25 | teraflops | ws2k3: also what does ethtool say? |
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| 20:36.34 | ws2k3 | smeert i tryed to force the port on the switch to gigabit and set it to gigabit with ethtool in linux but then i wont have connectivity |
| 20:36.40 | teraflops | and try with different cable |
| 20:36.50 | smeert | ws2k3: only linux machines+ |
| 20:36.52 | smeert | ? |
| 20:36.53 | teraflops | most of the time is the cable |
| 20:37.03 | ws2k3 | teraflops what values you would like to see from ethtool? |
| 20:37.17 | ws2k3 | teraflops yeah but how is that possible with factory made patch cable with cat6a |
| 20:37.25 | teraflops | ws2k3: since you say you already tried, none of the I think |
| 20:37.31 | ws2k3 | teraflops its in a datacenter so we didnt bought crapp cables |
| 20:37.34 | JT|work | heston: that's what I was thinking of trying tonight. Pull the drives out of the enclosures, plug into my other system directly via sata and run tests |
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| 20:37.50 | JT|work | and then maybe I can run smart tests, smart doesn't recognize this usb hardware |
| 20:37.54 | heston | JT|work, right and look for smart errors |
| 20:38.19 | teraflops | ws2k3: all the nics are the same? driver issue? searched the intertubes? |
| 20:38.19 | JT|work | this looks like a failing drive to you though, right? http://nopaste.linux-dev.org/?1120561 |
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| 20:38.46 | ws2k3 | teraflops not all identical nic but its all supermicro hardware |
| 20:38.53 | teraflops | ws2k3: idk, speaking of my experience (about the cable) |
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| 20:39.14 | heston | JT|work, that looks like it could easily be an issue with the usb translations |
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| 20:39.43 | smeert | ugh |
| 20:39.46 | smeert | installing debian still |
| 20:39.54 | JT|work | heston: hmm interesting. Well I'll try this tonight then, maybe just the enclosure went bad |
| 20:40.03 | JT|work | heck of a lot cheaper to buy a new enclosure lol |
| 20:40.04 | smeert | 30min installing debian and still going :) |
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| 20:40.15 | smeert | maybe ill sleep and see if it work ;D |
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| 20:40.29 | JT|work | I'll hold off on buying a third replacement drive. My desktop drive in another machine died at the same time too. |
| 20:40.40 | JT|work | thanks for your help heston, I appreciate it :) |
| 20:41.16 | heston | JT|work, np goodluck |
| 20:41.57 | ws2k3 | smeert yes only linux |
| 20:42.04 | ws2k3 | i have the issu eon debian 7 and on debian 8 |
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| 20:49.50 | heston | JT|work, yeah it's what I thought https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1351305 |
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| 20:50.52 | heston | it's a problem with newer kernels and usb -> scsi |
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| 20:51.40 | JT|work | heston: yeah! That's what I found when searching around |
| 20:51.57 | JT|work | but I'm on 3.16.0-4-amd64, that shouldn't apply to me |
| 20:52.13 | master1 | . |
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| 20:52.38 | JT|work | and running debian and not fedora lol. details... |
| 20:53.00 | heston | still appears to only be a usb translation problem though and not a hardware fualt |
| 20:53.03 | JT|work | and my issue doesn't happen every 10 minutes, it's all the friggin' time |
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| 20:53.39 | JT|work | and if that's the case, I can safely ignore the messages, the system will retry the read or write and it'll work, eh? |
| 20:53.59 | heston | I couldnt say |
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| 20:55.34 | heston | id try a different enclosure/sata to usb adapter |
| 20:56.16 | heston | could be a cheap controller |
| 20:57.30 | JT|work | yeah I'm going to bypass the enclosure and see what happens. It's a samsung, should be decent |
| 20:58.10 | heston | ws2k3, what happens if you do a loop on the switch and if you have two nics on the server with the same cable |
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| 21:00.05 | heston | JT|work, sounds good, let me know how it goes |
| 21:00.37 | JT|work | I'll report back :) |
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| 21:07.59 | exounx | hey quick question |
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| 21:08.10 | exounx | is there a way to live boot into debian from the netinst image? |
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| 21:08.19 | greycat | no |
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| 21:10.20 | exounx | lame |
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| 21:13.08 | maduro | also that fs0:/EFI/debian/grubx64.efi file is the only one on the filesystem, i'm not sure if that's normal or not |
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| 21:19.35 | aruns | Hi. |
| 21:19.42 | aruns | I am using Ubuntu 16.04. |
| 21:19.47 | tomcres | !ubuntu |
| 21:19.48 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 21:20.08 | aruns | My question is Debian related though. |
| 21:20.35 | aruns | Wondering if it's possible to get a .deb package for version 2.4.0.2 of fish-common. |
| 21:20.38 | deemel | lol tomcres |
| 21:20.39 | tomcres | !based on debian |
| 21:20.39 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 21:20.55 | aruns | *2.4.0-2 |
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| 21:22.14 | greycat | ,v fish-common |
| 21:22.15 | judd | Package: fish-common on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 2.2.0-3~bpo8+1; sid: 2.2.0-3; stretch: 2.3.1-1; stretch: 2.4.0-1; sid: 2.4.0-1 |
| 21:22.21 | TomTomTosch | aruns: 2.4.0-1 but it's likely not a good idea to install a package on ubuntu that was build for debian. https://packages.debian.org/stretch/amd64/fish/download |
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| 21:22.26 | greycat | Debian hasn't got a fish-common 2.4.0.2-* yet. |
| 21:22.31 | Skaag | I've upgraded a jessie machine just now, and it can no longer establish a tunnel to my jumpbox... previously I fixed this by adding PubkeyAcceptedKeyTypes in /etc/ssh/ssh_config with +ssh-dss |
| 21:22.35 | Skaag | any ideas how I fix it now? |
| 21:23.23 | greycat | And I don't even know what you think 2.4.0-2 would mean. It's Debian's second packaging of upstream 2.4.0. This may have absolutely NOTHING to do with how Ubuntu packages 2.4.0. |
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| 21:27.34 | heston | skaag, well what errors are there |
| 21:28.25 | Skaag | @heston I can't even tell, all I see in /var/log/auth.log is that the remote is failing to connect and trying again and again |
| 21:28.37 | Skaag | how do I increase the log level on sshd on my jumpbox? |
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| 21:29.32 | Skaag | sshd[25420]: Connection closed by 1.2.3.4 port 48285 [preauth] |
| 21:30.33 | heston | is that ip your server or jumpbox |
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| 21:31.26 | Skaag | it's the IP of the remote machine trying to connect to the jumpbox |
| 21:31.30 | Skaag | (I'm in the jumpbox) |
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| 21:32.21 | heston | and there's no errors on the remote machine? |
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| 21:33.37 | Skaag | I have no way to know, I don't have access to it anymore |
| 21:34.02 | Skaag | it's trying to ssh to my jumpbox and it's failing for some reason, I can only guess it's become more strict |
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| 21:36.00 | heston | I dont know enough to guess, which is what you're trying to do. Otherwise you'd want the error log on the remote machine of course |
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| 21:40.18 | deemel | is there a way to reinstall the man pages of installed packages? I screwed up and ended up deleting them |
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| 21:40.29 | greycat | Easiest would be to reinstall the whole package. |
| 21:40.43 | greycat | apt-get --reinstall install pkg1 pkg2 ... |
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| 21:41.01 | deemel | that'd be a whole lot |
| 21:41.04 | deemel | but okay, thanks |
| 21:41.26 | greycat | Oh, did you delete *every* man page? |
| 21:41.28 | greycat | !reinstall |
| 21:41.28 | dpkg | [reinstall] aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>, <debian clone>. |
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| 21:44.11 | deemel | thanks |
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| 21:46.59 | heston | deemel, there is a way |
| 21:47.41 | heston | find out which section of man there from and put them in the correct /usr/share/man/manX directory. Then run mandb |
| 21:47.48 | heston | they're* |
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| 22:35.00 | carp_ | Hi. I have a fresh debian install. Im watching a youtube video and have 20 tabs open. firefox just closed itself. also a few hours ago, my volume got turned down without me doing anything. then 30 seconds later it turned back up again. |
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| 22:38.43 | c-c | carp_: and? |
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| 22:39.29 | carp_ | c-c: basically, should i be worried? |
| 22:39.46 | c-c | carp_: you should know, not think |
| 22:39.50 | c-c | carp_: check dmesg |
| 22:40.05 | cobra_koral | check /var/log/messages for errors in pulseaudio |
| 22:40.05 | c-c | carp_: check who is logged on the system (as admin) |
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| 22:40.47 | carp_ | i am new user. i will go and read up about dmesg. its just a home computer but it is connected to the internet. |
| 22:40.50 | c-c | but yeah, its probably your pa crashing or/with video player |
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| 22:41.38 | carp_ | c-c: righto. what is 'pa'? |
| 22:41.39 | c-c | carp_: dmesg command in the terminal lists kernel events, you can see errors there |
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| 22:41.55 | c-c | carp_: pa is short for Pulseaudio, what cobra_koral was talking about |
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| 22:44.01 | carp_ | ah sorry i missed that message. thanks cobra. I think the pulseaudio could indeed be the culprit actually. when i turned the machine on it makes a ch-chick sound as it comes up to the home screen. |
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| 22:48.00 | carp_ | right, i will investigate this further. thanks very much for the tips pointing me in the right direction. i am paranoid that someone is remote controlling my machine haha, its because im new and not in control of the new environment hehe. |
| 22:48.09 | SuperTramp83 | carp_: on several machines I used Stable on (at least with Xfce that is) pulseaudio is so buggy that the best thing you can do is purge it entirely and use the beautiful alsa instead |
| 22:48.24 | c-c | I dont agree |
| 22:48.34 | c-c | pulseaudio often works great |
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| 22:48.48 | c-c | I do weird stuff with pulseaudio all the time |
| 22:49.04 | SuperTramp83 | Tried on several different hardware - buggy as hell in my experience |
| 22:49.30 | c-c | SuperTramp83: do you use specific audio hw? |
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| 22:49.49 | SuperTramp83 | no, I don't |
| 22:50.06 | c-c | carp_: the great thing about debian is you can know exactly who are on the computer and the processes, and limit them with full control |
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| 22:51.19 | SuperTramp83 | Yeah, the greatest thing about free software is you have the freedom to do with it whatever you want and modify it in whatever way you like to :) |
| 22:51.21 | c-c | SuperTramp83: so, did *You* check dmesg when you had problems? |
| 22:51.37 | carp_ | SuperTramp83: thanks for the idea i will look into alsa more. I have used it before actually (but a while ago). |
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| 22:52.10 | SuperTramp83 | carp_: yw |
| 22:52.52 | SuperTramp83 | c-c: no I did not. I like alsa, gives no issue at all. |
| 22:53.07 | c-c | SuperTramp83: great |
| 22:53.23 | carp_ | yes, i was looking at a friend using windows 10 the other day. it even fires adverts at you when you turn the damn thing on! i was shocked. and then it was just updating things but not giving information about what. and all sorts of horrors. |
| 22:53.29 | c-c | I use pulseaudio to record netflix and other things while they are playing |
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| 22:57.56 | cobra_koral | c-c: do you record audio only or video as well ? |
| 22:58.15 | c-c | audio only for pulseaudio |
| 22:58.26 | cobra_koral | oh I see |
| 22:59.09 | c-c | basically anything that makes sound can be mixed and recorded |
| 22:59.32 | cobra_koral | SuperTramp83: I did not know you could use ALSA alone these days, I mean, I thought that nowadays pulseaudio was a "hard-dependency" for a multimedia desktop, I mean, I thought that without pulseaudio I could not use ALSA for whatever reason I used to think that |
| 22:59.47 | Red_M | I have a bug that causes a segfault and I think libc might be the issue |
| 23:00.15 | cobra_koral | SuperTramp83: did you have to do anything ? or just purge pa packages ? |
| 23:00.31 | c-c | Red_M: why do you think so? |
| 23:01.00 | Red_M | c-c: after the 8.7 upgrade SNI for SSL in server mode fails in my python apps |
| 23:01.17 | c-c | Red_M: I think you should have hard evidence |
| 23:01.19 | SuperTramp83 | cobra_koral: just purge it and restart OS |
| 23:01.29 | SuperTramp83 | everything work beautifully |
| 23:02.10 | Red_M | c-c: I have a gdb bt |
| 23:02.20 | Red_M | and some machines on 8.6 |
| 23:02.24 | Red_M | and some on 8.7 |
| 23:02.41 | Red_M | the 8.7 ones get a segfault when I run SSL Lab's SSL tester over them |
| 23:02.49 | Red_M | and 8.6 has no problems |
| 23:02.50 | themill | Red_M: have you tried recompiling your python against the new libssl? (This shouldn't be necessary, but...) |
| 23:03.06 | themill | (you were the one with the locally compiled python segfaulting, weren't you?) |
| 23:03.15 | Red_M | I'm using the debian built packages |
| 23:04.13 | themill | The bt you showed yesterday was running things out of /home/jmm/scratch/spu/python2.7-2.7.9 |
| 23:04.15 | c-c | but is it python, ssl or debian? |
| 23:04.36 | Red_M | c-c: at this point I don't even know |
| 23:04.38 | c-c | uh, or libc |
| 23:04.39 | Red_M | https://paste.pound-python.org/show/8xFcc31K86DvM2iXlEhs/ |
| 23:05.04 | Red_M | is very new to gdb bts and the debian community at large |
| 23:05.14 | themill | Red_M: that's not the debian packages for python (at least) |
| 23:05.38 | Red_M | themill: /home/jmm doesn't exist on any of these systems |
| 23:05.45 | Red_M | and nor does the user |
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| 23:06.19 | themill | hmm... that's one of our security team but those updates shouldn't normally be built there |
| 23:06.34 | c-c | Red_M: your python libs contain that string? 'jmm' or 'jmm/scratch' |
| 23:06.40 | Red_M | nope |
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| 23:06.46 | Red_M | I only write pure python |
| 23:06.59 | c-c | did you search, or do you just think so, Red_M ? |
| 23:07.00 | Red_M | and this seems to only affect the builtin SSL to python |
| 23:07.12 | __builtin | hmm |
| 23:07.14 | __builtin | oh |
| 23:07.31 | Red_M | pyopenssl, which has a massive 24 times perf decrease doesn't have this issue |
| 23:07.45 | c-c | in other words, did some python lib dev forget a hard coded path in their lib conf |
| 23:07.58 | Red_M | (mostly because it doesn't have the c speed ups |
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| 23:09.22 | c-c | Red_M: https://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg1492109.html |
| 23:09.24 | themill | c-c: nah, gcc embeds bits and pieces like where the source code is into various debugging symbols. This information shouldn't really leak out |
| 23:10.02 | c-c | Red_M: look familiar? |
| 23:10.08 | Red_M | c-c: ... I reported that |
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| 23:10.38 | c-c | I don't get it. You don't have such user, but you reported it? |
| 23:10.51 | roycroft | hello, lots of people who are here |
| 23:10.58 | roycroft | i need to install wheezy for a turn-key product |
| 23:11.03 | c-c | I guess I'm too tired for this debug, good night |
| 23:11.11 | Red_M | c-c: seeya |
| 23:11.17 | Red_M | themill: have you got any ideas? |
| 23:11.26 | roycroft | i'm attempting to do so, but i get a message when it boots saying i need to install a driver for the network adapter |
| 23:11.47 | roycroft | i grabbed the .deb file from a debian mirror and scribbled it on a thumb drive |
| 23:11.55 | roycroft | but the installer isn't seeing it |
| 23:12.02 | roycroft | it wants the .fw file, i think |
| 23:12.22 | roycroft | i've never dealt with this before - is there some simple step i'm missing? |
| 23:13.03 | mtn | roycroft: you could use the iso that includes firmware |
| 23:13.20 | roycroft | there is an iso that has proprietary firmware? |
| 23:13.27 | themill | Red_M: is paramiko involved in your problem at all? |
| 23:13.27 | mtn | roycroft: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware |
| 23:13.43 | roycroft | ok, that sounds easier to deal with, especially for future installs |
| 23:13.44 | roycroft | thanks |
| 23:13.50 | mtn | roycroft: if you have a broadcom, it won't be on there |
| 23:14.06 | roycroft | it's realtek |
| 23:14.21 | mtn | roycroft: should be covererd, as far as I know |
| 23:14.40 | roycroft | i'll give it a go! |
| 23:15.15 | roycroft | there's even a newer version - i have 7.8.0 here, and was going to upgrade it |
| 23:15.18 | Red_M | themill: no, I just thought the issue was python-crypto |
| 23:15.22 | roycroft | but i can just get 7.11.0 and go with that |
| 23:15.27 | Red_M | it was a 3am thing |
| 23:17.02 | themill | Red_M: yeah, so it would be worth filing a separate bug for this. It would be good if you could attach a very short python script that reproduces it too. Can you also check which package you need to downgrade from the 8.7 to the 8.6 version to fix this? You can fetch old packages from snapshot.debian.org if you need to |
| 23:17.49 | themill | Red_M: do you normally apply updates from security.d.o as a matter of course? If so, that narrows it down to packages that were updated in 8.7 without going via security |
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| 23:18.18 | Red_M | themill: I have auto stable upgrades on |
| 23:18.21 | Red_M | and security |
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| 23:24.15 | roycroft | if this download wasn't taking so long i'd know already if this works or not |
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| 23:36.25 | roycroft | and that firmare iso worked brilliantly. thanks again! |
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| 23:38.30 | mtn | roycroft: welcome |
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