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| 00:12.19 | acu_ | hello debianers |
| 00:13.15 | JT|work | acu_: what it do? |
| 00:13.38 | acu_ | I am trying to install debian jessie or strech as virtual machine in freebsd bhyve host - and following this tutorial https://asciinema.org/a/83317 |
| 00:14.07 | acu_ | it boots and I can see the grub - but it tells me to load kernel first |
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| 00:17.15 | acu_ | however I can't find any .img in the boot cd |
| 00:17.37 | acu_ | grub> linux (cd0)/isolinux/vmlinuzgrub> initrd (cd0)/isolinux/initrd.img grub> boot |
| 00:17.53 | acu_ | centos7 boots and installs -any hints ? |
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| 00:22.11 | awal1 | acu_, installing jessie or stretch? which installer are you using exactly? |
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| 00:27.47 | styles | Everytime I tab into a terminal and the "pop" sound is made, my spotify music mutes (on the sound device) and pauses. |
| 00:27.49 | styles | Wtf? |
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| 00:28.57 | heston | hahah |
| 00:29.17 | heston | sounds like you only have one audio channel |
| 00:29.37 | styles | How would that be? |
| 00:29.41 | styles | You mean one output channel? |
| 00:29.48 | heston | i have no idea |
| 00:30.01 | styles | I have a sound card and on board audio |
| 00:30.11 | styles | I'm not even using the card right now |
| 00:30.44 | heston | how are you using spotify? |
| 00:30.57 | styles | Their debian repo, apt-get installed it |
| 00:31.44 | heston | maybe it has an internal settings for pausing music when something else tries to you your audio device |
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| 00:32.16 | heston | im betting that wouldnt happen if you used the website |
| 00:32.52 | styles | I really don't want to use their website. All these damn website apps are annoying. What's the point in having workspaces if I'm running a tab for every app :/ |
| 00:33.32 | styles | I don't see anything in the settings |
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| 00:33.37 | heston | it's just for the sake of troubleshooting |
| 00:34.02 | styles | Sure, one second |
| 00:36.02 | styles | Yeah, doesn't happen |
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| 00:36.49 | styles | It also doesn't happen with other music apps (tested that) |
| 00:37.18 | heston | then it's some weird feature/bug with spotify |
| 00:37.56 | tomcres | unfortunately, Spotify has abandoned the Linux desktop client, so there won't be any updates to it |
| 00:38.06 | styles | I though they were maintaining it? |
| 00:38.08 | styles | What?! |
| 00:38.41 | styles | Ok, this is stupid. Time to unsubscribe. |
| 00:40.28 | somiaj | you might want to see about their support. There is no option like mute when unfocused or something like that? Seems strange for an app, but sounds like the app is muting itself, also make sure the app is configurd to use pulse or alsa (whatever you are using) |
| 00:41.19 | heston | acu_, initrd.img? |
| 00:41.46 | JT|work | sounds like it's using some weird sound server or something, I want to say I used to see that happen with artsd |
| 00:42.55 | styles | How can you tell what sound server it's using? |
| 00:43.34 | heston | yeah id definitely talk to their support, see if they can help/explian what's going on. And if they really do plan on removing support, let them know that's why your cancelling |
| 00:44.04 | JT|work | that's a good question styles. I run stable which uses pulseaudio, I have to assume you're using the same thing |
| 00:44.10 | styles | I just wrote a very diplomatic email expressing my issues and the lack of support for the client. |
| 00:44.15 | JT|work | did you pay attention to deps that it pulled when you installed it? |
| 00:44.16 | styles | I'm running Debian 8 and pulse too |
| 00:44.24 | styles | Not at the time |
| 00:44.35 | JT|work | maybe it installed something weird |
| 00:44.36 | JT|work | hmm ok |
| 00:44.46 | JT|work | you know what you can do is look at the per-app sound mixer |
| 00:44.52 | styles | Isn't the app just a wrapper around a web ui? |
| 00:45.01 | styles | That's how I figured out it was muting itself |
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| 00:45.08 | styles | It would mute on the mixer and then pause too |
| 00:45.12 | JT|work | and it should show the app playing there. If it's native, you'll just see the app. You'll see something else if it uses a weird wrapper or something |
| 00:45.15 | JT|work | I think. |
| 00:45.36 | JT|work | I don't know, I don't stream at all |
| 00:45.39 | styles | Also as another side note, Debian works a lot better than Ubuntu |
| 00:45.44 | styles | I'm about to stop streaming |
| 00:46.08 | JT|work | yeah I switched from ubuntu back to debian, ubuntu upgrades always seemed to screw up my system |
| 00:46.16 | styles | It's just easy. I don't mind paying, I just want to have background noise while I work. Otherwise, it's back to downloading music and building an archive. |
| 00:46.17 | JT|work | I was ashamed to be reinstalling for each new version like a windows user |
| 00:46.25 | heston | Ubuntu isnt stable for me anymore |
| 00:46.30 | styles | Yeah Ubuntu isn't stable anymore |
| 00:46.31 | heston | hence why im back |
| 00:46.45 | styles | Their UI is clunky too. The Debian UI is a lot smoother, sleaker etc.. |
| 00:46.46 | tomcres | There is a backport of pulseaudio. I don't know if it will fix your problem, but it did fix some non-related problems that I was having. It sounds like it may be a pulseaudio issue. Maybe it's worth trying. |
| 00:46.54 | JT|work | collection is where it's at, I wouldn't have it any other way. A control-freak linux user?! You don't say... |
| 00:47.13 | styles | I have a 20 TB nas full of content already, just not music |
| 00:47.25 | styles | I just don't want to go through and download all the albums out there - pain in the butt |
| 00:47.55 | styles | You know, that new justin beiber albumb drops, I just want to listen to it at one click |
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| 00:48.16 | heston | well the website is decent |
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| 00:48.57 | styles | I already have to use the Skype website - which desyncs the phone/site eco system. You have slack, gitter, hipchat etc.. |
| 00:49.06 | styles | I'm so freaking tired of having 1000s of apps that do the same damn thing |
| 00:49.44 | styles | Welp, thanks for your time everyone. I'll just stick it out and see what Spotify has to say |
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| 00:49.50 | heston | oh, is there no update to date linux skype client now? |
| 00:49.59 | styles | nope |
| 00:50.00 | tomcres | there's an alpha skype client |
| 00:50.05 | styles | It sucks |
| 00:50.10 | styles | And the old client and the new alpha don't work |
| 00:50.21 | heston | i remember the last time I used skype on linux is was broken then |
| 00:50.24 | styles | So if a windows user has the old one for example you literally get a message saying it can't be sent |
| 00:52.48 | JT|work | skype sucks anyways, I don't know why everyone is so big on it still |
| 00:52.55 | JT|work | went downhill after MS bought it, big shocker there |
| 00:53.12 | Blendify_lnx|afk | lol |
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| 00:54.59 | styles | I really want something like Riot to take off |
| 00:55.11 | styles | Something that's FOSS and implements a federated protocol w/ e2e encryption |
| 00:56.42 | heston | MS paid 8.5 billion for skype... |
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| 00:57.47 | JT|work | styles: me too. My friends and I are looking into rapidshare which I know is a little different, but seems really cool |
| 00:57.51 | missmbob | !ot |
| 00:57.51 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 00:57.58 | JT|work | ok, fair enough |
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| 01:00.36 | JT|work | rapidshare? whoa that's a website, I meant retroshare. Which has debian repos! ok I'm done on that topic now, had to correct myself. |
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| 01:12.28 | rizonz | is it true that when you install zabbix-server the agents want s to have all stuff in /var/log/zabbix instead of /var/log/zabbix-agent ? |
| 01:14.30 | heston | hi missmbob, just wondering about your redshift backport. What's the difference between gtk-redshift_1.11-1_all.deb and redshift-gtk_1.11-1_all.deb? |
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| 01:17.07 | missmbob | Hestben: gtk-redshift is a transitional dummy package. so there's nothing really there. redshift-gtk is the real package |
| 01:17.13 | missmbob | heston: ^ |
| 01:19.00 | heston | missmbob, oh ok. Thanks |
| 01:19.44 | missmbob | heston: btw, see the README if you're going to get more debs from there. some have gotchas |
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| 01:22.31 | heston | missmbob, I did see that actually. And you ported all those yourself? |
| 01:22.40 | missmbob | heston: yes |
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| 01:23.42 | heston | missmbob, nice, you should leave the door open for people to contact you for consulting |
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| 01:24.59 | missmbob | heston: i do :) |
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| 01:26.24 | heston | missmbob, well your main page only says your company is no longer active and doesnt offer any method of contact. Just something to consider |
| 01:27.04 | missmbob | heston: oh that's what you mean. yeah i might. most people know they can find me here when they need something. |
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| 01:32.53 | roycroft | so my attempts to install from the firmware iso failed |
| 01:32.59 | roycroft | i reported otherwise prematurely |
| 01:33.15 | roycroft | the network comes up, i get to where it updates apt and lets me select the packages i want |
| 01:33.27 | roycroft | then it fails |
| 01:33.53 | roycroft | is there another mechanism for loading the firmware using the standard installer? |
| 01:34.21 | roycroft | when i start up the installer it stops, tells me what is missing, and instructs me to insert media containing that file |
| 01:34.37 | roycroft | i have a .deb that contains the drivers |
| 01:34.45 | roycroft | butit wants a specific .fw file |
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| 01:35.01 | roycroft | i'm sorry, but looking around the docs i'm not seeing how this is done |
| 01:35.14 | roycroft | the best i've come up with so far is to build a custom installer |
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| 01:35.33 | roycroft | which i'd rather not do, although i could install wheezy in a vm and do it that way if i have to, i suppose |
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| 01:40.04 | roycroft | hmm, maybe i have an etherexpress card laying around that i can use for installation, and then pull it later, after installing the realtek driver |
| 01:40.20 | zong | zzz |
| 01:40.26 | zong | im tired |
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| 01:53.40 | heston | roycroft, .deb files are just containers |
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| 02:02.11 | roycroft | the problem is installing the driver in the midst of the os install |
| 02:02.25 | roycroft | i found an etherexpress card, and i'm installing with that now |
| 02:02.48 | roycroft | putting the .deb file on the machine after and installing the realtek driver should be no problem |
| 02:03.11 | roycroft | i'm installing a legacy os version - i'm not surprised there are issues |
| 02:03.35 | roycroft | wishes his app ran on jessie -life would be easier |
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| 02:07.20 | awal1 | roycroft, I haven't followed your topic but I guess you are trying to install jessie but you have a problem with wifi drivers not loaded? |
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| 02:08.03 | roycroft | no |
| 02:08.06 | roycroft | i'm installing wheezy |
| 02:08.18 | roycroft | and my hard-wired ethernet card needs a driver |
| 02:08.32 | roycroft | i can't complete the install until the network is up |
| 02:08.54 | roycroft | and the firmware iso image fails at select and install software |
| 02:09.28 | roycroft | so my current plan is to install with an etherexpress card, which does not need the non-free firmware, then install the firmware for the built-in realtek card, and use that |
| 02:10.09 | roycroft | the installation is going well, albeit very slowly |
| 02:10.14 | awal1 | whezzy or whatever maybe you need the "unofficial" iso? |
| 02:10.20 | awal1 | !firmware images |
| 02:10.21 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
| 02:10.28 | roycroft | yes, that's what i was using, awal1 |
| 02:10.35 | awal1 | ôh |
| 02:10.39 | roycroft | and that's the image that fails |
| 02:11.09 | roycroft | i can't use jessie for this application, unfortunately |
| 02:11.28 | awal1 | your card may be newer than the wheezy 'unofficial' installer contents? |
| 02:11.30 | roycroft | i'm one of a large number of people who are unhappy about that |
| 02:11.34 | roycroft | the card works |
| 02:11.45 | roycroft | it fails at "select and install software" |
| 02:11.48 | roycroft | the network comes up |
| 02:11.54 | roycroft | it goes out and updates apt |
| 02:11.58 | roycroft | does all the good stuff |
| 02:12.11 | roycroft | but when it's time for me to install the packages i selected it fails |
| 02:12.26 | awal1 | may be wheezy repos related |
| 02:12.30 | roycroft | yes |
| 02:12.45 | roycroft | and that being the case, since i'm able to install from the stock wheezy iso |
| 02:12.51 | awal1 | try with minimal install and when you are done install more stuff from console |
| 02:12.53 | roycroft | and since i have the .deb that contains the realtek driver |
| 02:13.02 | roycroft | i'm pretty confident that i will be able to get this working |
| 02:13.13 | awal1 | .deb is just a container as you have beeen told |
| 02:13.15 | roycroft | my install was pretty minimal |
| 02:13.18 | roycroft | base and ssh |
| 02:13.20 | roycroft | right |
| 02:13.23 | roycroft | and i have that |
| 02:13.36 | roycroft | once the os is done installing i'll reboot and then install that |
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| 02:13.46 | roycroft | and hopefully it will then see my network adapter |
| 02:13.57 | awal1 | I think you have to load the exact firmware file or I dont know how to call it |
| 02:14.09 | roycroft | i know the name of the file i need to load |
| 02:14.20 | roycroft | right now it's a waiting game |
| 02:14.28 | roycroft | ftp.us.debian.org is seriously lagged from here |
| 02:14.36 | roycroft | even moreso than usual |
| 02:14.44 | roycroft | so the install is taking excruciatingly long |
| 02:15.00 | roycroft | it might take another hour to complete |
| 02:15.12 | roycroft | usually i can do an install in 10-15 minutes at most |
| 02:15.21 | roycroft | but oh well |
| 02:15.22 | awal1 | looks like it should be the only one contained in where you have the .deb now |
| 02:15.38 | awal1 | the non free thing ^ |
| 02:15.43 | roycroft | yes, probably so |
| 02:16.05 | awal1 | almost "sure" |
| 02:16.21 | awal1 | but I never got it to work that way |
| 02:16.33 | roycroft | the file is on a mac at the moment, and i don't have a mac utlity to let me look at .deb containers |
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| 02:17.03 | roycroft | so i'll just wait for the install to finish, copy it to the new machine, and look at it there |
| 02:17.21 | roycroft | i'm not complaining about this at all |
| 02:17.31 | roycroft | and there is no way i'd expect anyone to look into it or try to fix it |
| 02:17.34 | roycroft | it's wheezy |
| 02:17.43 | roycroft | people should not be installing wheezy any more |
| 02:18.11 | awal1 | which software you need from wheezy? |
| 02:18.19 | roycroft | it's cnc control software |
| 02:18.26 | roycroft | and it requires a rt kernel |
| 02:18.32 | roycroft | and the jessie rt kernel does not work for it |
| 02:18.35 | roycroft | linuxcnc |
| 02:18.56 | roycroft | the software will run on jessie, but only in simulation mode |
| 02:19.04 | roycroft | if you try to actually control a machine with it it fails |
| 02:19.27 | roycroft | believe me, many, many people in the linuxcnc community are itching to get a jessie version |
| 02:19.37 | roycroft | but right now we have what we have |
| 02:19.43 | roycroft | it's either wheezy or ubuntu something |
| 02:20.20 | roycroft | it alleges to compile on some other linux distros, but there is very little interest in that, and i don't want a fringe configuration |
| 02:21.31 | roycroft | oh, and it just failed again, at the same place, but very late in the install |
| 02:21.40 | roycroft | hmm |
| 02:22.31 | roycroft | i should see what the installer log says |
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| 02:49.08 | roycroft | so i have the realtek driver loaded now and am logged in remotely |
| 02:49.14 | roycroft | that was kind of a pain in the butt |
| 02:49.21 | roycroft | but at least it's working now |
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| 03:29.29 | awal1 | Any utility similar to 'popbugs' and 'rc-alert' for search bugs, all bugs, not only release critical ones? |
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| 03:32.06 | awal1 | -next may be a better place to ask :P |
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| 04:00.49 | AlexLikeRock | i need app to control MATE volume, by bluethoot, sugestion ? |
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| 04:26.57 | awal1 | AlexLikeRock, you mean control the whole mate desktop via bluetooth? |
| 04:27.16 | awal1 | nvm, I misread :P |
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| 04:32.50 | noobular | hello! I am trying to get my wifi working better, seems I need some sort of rtlwifi firmware |
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| 04:33.25 | noobular | I have downloaded an archive called rtlwifi_new-master but don't know how/where to proceed from there |
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| 04:36.37 | heston | noobular, you need to enable the non-free repositories so you can download non proprietary firmware |
| 04:36.50 | heston | then you can just install it through apt |
| 04:37.15 | Zardoz | !firmware images |
| 04:37.15 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
| 04:38.03 | heston | that doesnt help him if he already has debian installed |
| 04:38.50 | heston | meant to say "download proprietary firmware"* |
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| 04:40.05 | noobular | well according to synaptic I have the latest firmware-realtek |
| 04:40.09 | noobular | maybe that's not the problem, |
| 04:41.08 | heston | which version of debian and of the realtek firmware? |
| 04:41.15 | noobular | but I've been having this thing where after a certain amount of time (not always the same) on facebook, my internet connection stops working until I restart the computer, despite decent apparent decent wifi signal strength |
| 04:42.07 | noobular | the realtek firmware is 0.43 |
| 04:42.12 | heston | That could also be your router's fault but realtek isnt known for producing quality hardware |
| 04:42.24 | noobular | and I'm on the latest build of Jessie |
| 04:42.29 | heston | That is the most recent then |
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| 04:43.18 | heston | is it dual band capable? |
| 04:43.29 | heston | could try a different frequency |
| 04:43.29 | noobular | not sure how I'd check that |
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| 04:46.10 | heston | what's the output of iwconfig |
| 04:46.35 | heston | https://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 05:01.51 | noobular | so, how do I check the capacity for dual band and adjusting the frequency? |
| 05:01.59 | noobular | thanks for your help so far, heston |
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| 05:05.36 | heston | noobular, sudo iwconfig in console will tell you for the most part what your chip is capable of. Your router would need to support it to and you'd either have a seperate ssid for say 5hz or you could try switching between wireless G or N |
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| 05:07.02 | heston | 5Ghz* |
| 05:07.21 | heston | GHz |
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| 05:08.58 | noobular | okay, it gave me a readout for iwconfig |
| 05:09.06 | noobular | idk what to do with this information |
| 05:09.32 | heston | paste it here https://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 05:10.44 | heston | noobular, do any other devices connected to your router have this problem? |
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| 05:11.20 | noobular | no, though this is the only one running any form of GNU/Linux |
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| 05:11.46 | AlexLikeRock | awal1, no, only volume |
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| 05:12.48 | heston | noobular, do yo use any other OSs with this system? |
| 05:13.10 | noobular | the one I am on, no |
| 05:13.25 | Gazooo | just installed debian 8.7 with gnome 3.14, autostart applications via tweak tool isn't working for me (cannot "add" anything, have to just escape out of dialog) and using autostart script isn't working for me either. |
| 05:14.07 | Gazooo | the "Add Application" button in Startup Applications just does nothing, forced to press escape. |
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| 05:22.20 | waynr | howdy folks |
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| 05:22.52 | waynr | i am curious if there is a way to distinguish between installed packages that were installed because i at one point selected them and those that were installed as dependencies of packages that i selected |
| 05:23.07 | waynr | i don't think `dpkg --get-selections` does what i am thinking of |
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| 05:43.41 | awal1 | Gazooo, if using gdm3 for your gnome-session, try starting what you wan to start via .xsession |
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| 05:53.09 | ^74NK | is there a package to edit accounts on machine? add/del groups|nicks change/set/remove pws? |
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| 05:53.51 | grawity | you mean, from a graphical app? |
| 05:54.01 | ^74NK | yes |
| 05:54.03 | ^74NK | a gui |
| 05:54.12 | grawity | hmm I've seen a few |
| 05:54.43 | grawity | kde has kuser |
| 05:54.52 | grawity | gnome has that built in to the gnome-control-center |
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| 06:01.33 | `slikts | is apt(8) a new thing? |
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| 06:01.56 | grawity | new-ish |
| 06:02.19 | Gazooo | awal1: xsession is kinda working, but why aren't the other options working? |
| 06:02.59 | grawity | waynr: apt-mark |
| 06:03.10 | `slikts | grawity: how newish? |
| 06:03.18 | awal1 | Gazooo, I don't use gnome, no clue |
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| 06:04.00 | grawity | `slikts: I don't quite remember; I think it first showed up in jessie, halfbaked |
| 06:04.00 | Gazooo | awal1: I guess this method fits for now anyway, I'm trying to shell into an application eventually |
| 06:04.21 | Gazooo | so just an exec app-name in xsession should be sufficient in long run |
| 06:04.23 | `slikts | so basically using apt(8) makes you cool |
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| 06:04.43 | grawity | waynr: (it's an apt feature; dpkg doesn't know the difference) |
| 06:08.13 | awal1 | Gazzooo, put whatever you want to start in .xsession file (exec app-name). .xsession is read by startx and display managers (gdm3, wdm, sddm...). use .xinitrc if you just use 'startx'. it's not a workaround but a normal way for start apps |
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| 06:11.12 | waynr | grawity: thanks! |
| 06:12.14 | ^74NK | one more thing, is there an easy way to colorise bash shell? (usernames one color) (dirs another) (files another) etc... |
| 06:12.27 | ^74NK | it would be way less disorienting |
| 06:13.44 | awal1 | ^74NK, also, 'usermode' pkg provides several utilities for accounts, passwords and such stuff |
| 06:13.54 | ^74NK | ye i got that done |
| 06:13.55 | ^74NK | :) |
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| 06:15.02 | ^74NK | also what do i put in my sudoers to trust me and never ask for pw |
| 06:15.15 | grawity | ^74NK: that's not "bash shell" |
| 06:15.19 | grawity | that's ls |
| 06:15.32 | grawity | yeah, there are wrappers that add some fancy formatting to ls |
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| 06:15.52 | awal1 | ^74NK, you have to edit files for change colors and so, I don't know about any gui for that |
| 06:17.15 | grawity | there's `ls --color`, you can edit the colors via dircolors |
| 06:18.03 | ^74NK | i'm talking about gnome teminal |
| 06:18.07 | ^74NK | so i need some other shell |
| 06:18.44 | gen01 | Hey brothers :) Anyone can tip me of a VM program I can download from synaptic? |
| 06:18.53 | gen01 | (Virtual Machine) |
| 06:19.01 | steakwipe | I use kvm and qemu |
| 06:19.11 | grawity | ^74NK: that has nothing to do with the shell *nor* the terminal |
| 06:19.12 | steakwipe | otherwise virtualbox is easy to use |
| 06:19.18 | awal1 | ^74NK, some distros have different colors for user, root ..., but it looks like debian is "same color for root, regular user ... for avoid distraction and force the user to concentrate and follow closly what he does in shell" |
| 06:19.27 | gen01 | I prefer something easy. Wich one is the easy one? |
| 06:19.37 | gen01 | Virtualbox is this safe? To open files with |
| 06:19.56 | grawity | ^74NK: unless you mean colorizing the prompt, which is a shell feature |
| 06:19.57 | ^74NK | i got ls --color :) i'm gonna edit my bashrc aliases, how to replace #th line of a file? or is there no such option? |
| 06:20.09 | ^74NK | like BLAHBLAHBLAH >3rdline filename.txt |
| 06:20.11 | grawity | um, with a text editor |
| 06:20.39 | ^74NK | >> (apend) > (overwrite) >#3 (nosuchthing? #rip) :/ |
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| 06:20.50 | grawity | $ ed filename.txt |
| 06:20.58 | grawity | ed> 3c |
| 06:21.00 | grawity | ed> blahblahblah |
| 06:21.01 | grawity | ed> . |
| 06:21.03 | grawity | ed> wq |
| 06:21.13 | ^74NK | ? |
| 06:21.28 | grawity | h |
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| 06:21.38 | awal1 | grawity, ^74NK refers to this I guess https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizingBashPrompt |
| 06:21.38 | ^74NK | bash: ed: command not found |
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| 06:22.10 | grawity | the usual answer to that is 'install it' |
| 06:22.13 | zykotick9 | awal1: "...force the uesr to concentrate"... after a shutting down the wrong system 1 too many times, i've got my home server's root account highlighted a different color ;) |
| 06:22.25 | grawity | hmm, well, I think sed -i '3cblahblahblah' myfile would also work |
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| 06:23.07 | ^74NK | awal1 thanks :) |
| 06:23.24 | awal1 | zykotick9, I read about tht "official" debian way somewhere in debian website, I don't remember where exactly |
| 06:23.36 | ^74NK | so there is no such thing as replace nth line... sad |
| 06:23.43 | awal1 | ^74NK, thats what you was looking for? |
| 06:24.28 | grawity | I just gave you two "things" for that >_> |
| 06:25.17 | awal1 | zykotick9, I have root colorized also in one of my debian machines :P |
| 06:25.42 | awal1 | I think root account should be colorized by default, for avoid mistakes |
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| 06:34.07 | awal1 | ^74NK, https://wiki.debian.org/BashColors |
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| 06:40.38 | ^74NK | k |
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| 06:42.37 | awal1 | also see setterm |
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| 06:43.18 | JT|work | heston: it was you I talked to earlier about the failing usb drive right? |
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| 06:44.51 | JT|work | I think my drive is fine and some new piece of software in the new debian release has the same bug that fedora user reported |
| 06:44.59 | ^74NK | wait how is zsh different? i might just switch... |
| 06:45.09 | awal1 | zykotick9, ah, i read that in .bashrc :P |
| 06:45.19 | JT|work | some people swear by it, I've never gotten into it |
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| 06:45.56 | JT|work | I thought zsh sounded awesome because I heard you do case-insensitive globbing and tab completion |
| 06:46.03 | JT|work | then I learned you can do that in bash too :) |
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| 06:46.32 | awal1 | "uncomment for color prompt, if the terminal has the capability; turned off by default to not distract the user: the focus in a terminal window should be on the output of commands, not on the prompt" |
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| 07:03.20 | ^74NK | how to define local variables in .bashrc for my if statements? |
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| 07:03.51 | ^74NK | a=b ? |
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| 07:04.11 | AlexLikeRock | yes |
| 07:04.22 | AlexLikeRock | 74nk |
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| 07:05.48 | ^74NK | k now if i set $dir AS "home/folder1/" and want to do . $dirFILEINSIDE it would call a different var how to escape? |
| 07:06.23 | ^74NK | $dir\"FILEINSIDE\" ? |
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| 07:06.38 | ^74NK | it should end up being home/folder1/FILEINSIDE |
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| 07:14.11 | odix | hey on your website for vgapassthrough it says K variant processors from intel dont support IOMMU is this a typo ? |
| 07:14.22 | odix | i thought my 6600k did all the vt stuff |
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| 07:16.05 | towo^work | odix, this is debian related how? |
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| 07:20.30 | odix | its on the debian website |
| 07:20.32 | odix | heh |
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| 07:20.42 | odix | https://wiki.debian.org/VGAPassthrough |
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| 08:38.45 | ZenWalker | hello, how to put avatar on the BTS ? |
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| 08:45.41 | master | yo |
| 08:45.55 | master | sup yo |
| 08:46.13 | ZenWalker | tu? |
| 08:46.22 | master | not much |
| 08:46.27 | master | chillin |
| 08:46.42 | ZenWalker | do you know how to put avatar on the BTS ? |
| 08:46.54 | master | BTS? |
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| 08:47.59 | master | ? |
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| 08:48.10 | master | :) |
| 08:48.18 | babilen | master: Debian's bug tracking system |
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| 08:49.08 | grawity | ZenWalker: try uploading it to libravatar.org |
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| 08:57.57 | kyellow | happy friday debian channel |
| 08:57.57 | kyellow | :D |
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| 09:03.38 | master | sup |
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| 09:04.46 | MarcoNL | Is there someone who can help met out with creating a preseed script for a raid 1 configuration? I've been looking at so many different configurations, but none of the seem to work completely |
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| 09:05.29 | master | someone will help just be patient |
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| 09:07.09 | ZenWalker | grawity: thanks, I did it, but I can't see my avatar on the BTS, I think I must wait some time, maybe... |
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| 09:09.39 | MarcoNL | master: that was for me? |
| 09:10.02 | stoned | I need to take notes |
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| 09:10.16 | stoned | What's a good note taking application (snippets etc.) |
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| 09:11.31 | n4dir | zim comes to my mind (not saying it is good, only that it comes to my mind) |
| 09:11.39 | Night_Elf | stoned: there's a certain Tomboy Notes but I have never used it so no idea how good it is. |
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| 09:11.45 | stoned | I see |
| 09:12.14 | stoned | I use the Kate editor |
| 09:12.21 | stoned | I wonder if that has a plugin |
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| 09:12.34 | n4dir | yeah, that was my thought too (an editor, and call it a day) |
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| 09:12.55 | stoned | It has snippets tool view |
| 09:13.04 | stoned | See, I watch youtube documentaries, doing research and need to take notes. |
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| 09:13.20 | stoned | I wonder if they made any application for writers specifically for this kind of research ntoe taking |
| 09:13.49 | stoned | Something that can be linked to a certain chapter in the book or notes for this or that, particular thing |
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| 09:14.27 | Night_Elf | stoned: I think the info here could help. https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Tomboy |
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| 09:14.57 | n4dir | chances are probably higher for a plugin in vim or emacs. |
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| 09:15.16 | n4dir | https://github.com/xolox/vim-notes |
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| 09:17.27 | babilen | org-mode ftw! |
| 09:17.46 | stoned | Oh, actually kate snippet is better |
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| 09:17.53 | stoned | it auto pastes the thing into the text document |
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| 09:18.04 | stoned | Maybe that's desirable, maybe not. Idunno yet |
| 09:18.11 | stoned | Tomboy seems ok |
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| 09:20.05 | stoned | https://lifehacker.com/5592047/turn-your-command-line-into-a-fast-and-simple-note-taking-tool |
| 09:20.07 | stoned | here's a trick. |
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| 09:22.46 | stoned | https://www.seanh.cc/terminal_velocity/ and something in python |
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| 09:25.29 | Hestben | stoned: hmm, there is also the 'task' package. |
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| 09:25.53 | Hestben | but that is limited to cli, you could export and import in many formats though. |
| 09:26.14 | stoned | I like cli |
| 09:26.47 | Hestben | I meant as in, I don't know of any integration in apps for other platforms. |
| 09:27.19 | babilen | http://orgmode.org/ -- w/ either vim or emacs keybindings (spacemacs/evil or pure emacs) is worth learning |
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| 09:27.45 | MarcoNL | Any debian preseed pro's here? I need serious help with a config containing a raid 1 setup |
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| 09:35.33 | n4dir | babilen: some emac users recently spoke about orgmode. It came to my mind, but i forgot the word for it (orgmode, duh). |
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| 09:36.17 | n4dir | more intereting form stoned though. |
| 09:38.12 | stoned | there is hnb |
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| 09:38.34 | stoned | hierarchical notebook |
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| 09:39.49 | n4dir | there are probably tons of's "there is". i would go for something serious, that is: orgmode |
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| 09:42.01 | helldorado | wy debian adopt systemd ? |
| 09:42.16 | stoned | Because people. |
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| 09:42.25 | stoned | new pop fads. |
| 09:42.47 | helldorado | what people ? |
| 09:42.49 | stoned | fixing what wasn't broken. |
| 09:42.56 | stoned | helldorado: all the people who said use systemd |
| 09:42.58 | stoned | in debian. |
| 09:43.01 | stoned | those ones. |
| 09:43.12 | helldorado | SYSTEMD ITS REALLY PIECE OF SHIT ! |
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| 09:43.28 | babilen | helldorado: Please play elsewhere, thank you |
| 09:43.29 | stoned | yup. Many would agree. Then again many would disagree. |
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| 09:44.24 | somiaj | !tell helldorado about why systemd |
| 09:44.53 | somiaj | that is if you really wanted to read a good summary of why debian went with systemd. |
| 09:45.07 | babilen | stoned: Please keep it technical in here. A link to the technical discussions on the mailing lists, the various analyses by the CTTE or the wiki page are a lot more helpful |
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| 09:46.14 | stoned | https://www.debian.org/vote/2014/vote_003 |
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| 09:49.14 | sawk | is there a way to install jessie kernel in stretch? |
| 09:49.16 | n4dir | as far it's me a good and objective factoid should mention both, the pro's and con's. fanboyism is never a good approach. On a side note |
| 09:49.20 | sawk | to downgrade i mean |
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| 09:49.43 | nkuttler | sawk: download the deb and dpkg -i it? |
| 09:49.53 | nkuttler | or add jessie to your sources and apt-get -t |
| 09:49.56 | somiaj | sawk: why run stretch if you need a jessie kernel. You can isntall the kernel, but there could be other things in stretch that rely on newer kernel features. |
| 09:50.12 | stoned | https://bugs.debian.org/727708 |
| 09:50.13 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/727708 in tech-ctte (closed): «tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.»; severity: normal; opened: 2013-10-25; last modified: 2014-05-06. |
| 09:50.17 | somiaj | sawk: so installing the kernel is easy, if all of your systems run as expceted is another story. |
| 09:50.33 | sawk | somiaj, ok |
| 09:50.40 | petn-randall | !goal |
| 09:50.40 | dpkg | Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is. |
| 09:51.25 | n4dir | sawk: i for one had high hopes it would work well. Simply giving it a try sure won't make the house burn down, imho (if it fails, just boot in the newer kernel again and go on ) |
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| 09:51.43 | n4dir | really just an opinion what i would do. |
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| 09:52.18 | sawk | somiaj, it looks like there's an open bug in stretch kernel, related to the i915 drivers. I used to have jessie before, but then this bug happened: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=95461 and it's freezing my system while I'm working on it |
| 09:52.47 | sawk | somiaj, so I need to get back to the jessie kernel, keeping the system as it is, since I need the stretch version etm |
| 09:53.09 | somiaj | sawk: what age is your intel card, in stretch is is suggested to remove xserver-xorg-video-intel and just use the default modesetting driver, xserver-xorg-video-modesetting |
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| 09:53.29 | somiaj | well for newer intel cards, so maybe just use the modesetting driver over the intel one in xorg would fix your issue. |
| 09:53.33 | petn-randall | somiaj: Since when is that the case? |
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| 09:53.48 | somiaj | petn-randall: see the description in the xserver-xorg-video-intel package on stretch. |
| 09:53.59 | sawk | somiaj, it's a thinkpad from 2010. I already did that, but nothing happened |
| 09:53.59 | babilen | It has been the default for a while in stretch/sid now |
| 09:54.07 | somiaj | petn-randall: this is news to me, but seems there is a default modesetting driver that just talks directly to the kms module and no need for a specific one for intel. |
| 09:54.22 | babilen | sawk: You already tried modesetting and you still run into a intel-gfx bug? |
| 09:54.46 | petn-randall | somiaj: Oh wow, I must have missed the memo. |
| 09:54.54 | sawk | somiaj, Package 'xserver-xorg-video-intel' is not installed, so not removed |
| 09:55.14 | sawk | and modesetting is there |
| 09:55.22 | sawk | babilen, yes |
| 09:55.34 | babilen | I'd argue that it is a modesetting problem then |
| 09:55.45 | babilen | But why don't we start with that: What is the actual problem? |
| 09:55.48 | sawk | was the same with intel package installed |
| 09:55.51 | somiaj | sawk: note the modesetting features in 3.16 may not be as good as the stretch kernel, and you may also need the older intel driver if you want to try that. Trying the older kernel may work, but I think there is more going on then just downgrading your kernel. |
| 09:56.35 | sawk | somiaj, sure, i'm not expecting everything works. But i'll try it out. So downloading the kernel and installing it with dpkg should be enough i guess right? |
| 09:57.01 | somiaj | yea debian kernel packages are fairly nice and you can have multiple versions installed |
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| 10:00.54 | sawk | works like a charm for now |
| 10:00.56 | sawk | :-) |
| 10:00.58 | sawk | no errors so far |
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| 10:03.34 | sawk | hehe debian is amazing ;) |
| 10:04.38 | stoned | old is gold |
| 10:04.52 | stoned | gold is shiny and used in electronics that run debian. |
| 10:05.17 | stoned | sawk: once upon a time I used to use non-stable debian. That was fast/trobule |
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| 10:05.59 | sawk | stoned, that's too much.. |
| 10:06.04 | stoned | I do sometimes want to use new software, but that's just a want. No real need. Everything in debian stable works fine enough, not too old. |
| 10:06.06 | sawk | I tried once, but no way |
| 10:06.37 | stoned | Maybe if instead of 2year, it could be 1 year |
| 10:06.40 | stoned | I dunno. |
| 10:06.42 | MarcoNL | Any debian preseed pro's here? I need serious help with a config containing a raid 1 setup |
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| 10:07.35 | sawk | The release system of debian is good, put times are changing and software releases are getting closer and closer, in terms of time |
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| 10:08.03 | sawk | in 2 years you may have a deprecated system |
| 10:08.16 | sawk | look at the release cycle of the linux kernel |
| 10:08.30 | stoned | and then when the new stable comes out, you're again behind |
| 10:08.33 | stoned | I get it. |
| 10:08.37 | stoned | I don't mind. |
| 10:08.44 | sawk | that's really fast...linux had a damn boost in the past years |
| 10:08.58 | sawk | well...actually I don't mind too :) |
| 10:09.19 | sawk | it's just that i dont want to mess around my sources.list all the times to have new versions |
| 10:09.27 | stoned | I'd rather have programs that don't crash, than ones that do, but are new and shiny |
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| 10:13.22 | darxmurf | dpkg icedove |
| 10:13.22 | dpkg | Icedove is a DFSG-free fork of Mozilla Thunderbird, a cross-platform email client, replacing Thunderbird in Debian as of 5.0 "Lenny". Debian is unable to distribute Mozilla Thunderbird as-is due to trademark restrictions, see <why icedove>. Since July 2013, Icedove in Debian <stable> is based on the Extended Support Release (ESR) branch. For help with upstream issues, ask #thunderbird on irc.mozilla.org. http://wiki.debian.org/Icedove |
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| 10:15.22 | darxmurf | ,v icedove |
| 10:15.23 | judd | Package: icedove on amd64 -- wheezy: 38.7.0-1~deb7u1; jessie: 1:45.3.0-1~deb8u1; stretch: 1:45.4.0-1; jessie-security: 1:45.6.0-1~deb8u1; wheezy-security: 1:45.6.0-2~deb7u1; sid: 1:45.6.0-2; experimental: 1:45.6.0-3 |
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| 10:23.18 | MarcoNL | Patsie: I just found out you're also Dutch :) |
| 10:23.23 | MarcoNL | took me a while |
| 10:24.06 | petn-randall | somiaj, babilen, I tried using the modesetting driver, but I just get a lot of screen tearing which I didn't have with *-video-intel. |
| 10:24.08 | darxmurf | stroopwafel liquor this afternoon \o/ |
| 10:24.46 | MarcoNL | hahah nice one darxmurf |
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| 10:30.19 | gen0 | Hey guys. Anyone knows a program for reading iso files? Creating a virtual disc :) |
| 10:30.38 | petn-randall | gen0: "mount" |
| 10:31.15 | gen0 | Aight thx |
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| 10:37.12 | somiaj | petn-randall: what generation of card? |
| 10:37.34 | somiaj | petn-randall: I haven't tried it, I'm just going off what the matainer has said. |
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| 10:39.51 | nyuszika7h | new point release... thought so based on the number of updated packages |
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| 10:40.29 | nyuszika7h | abrotman or any other op around, a "U" letter is missing from the beginning of the topic :P |
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| 10:48.27 | gen0 | Hello guys. Is anyone skilled with virtualbox here? How am I supposed to choose virtual cd driver? When I mark it and press "open" it just opens the file.. |
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| 10:49.56 | MarcoNL | gen0: what is your goal with it? |
| 10:50.18 | gen0 | install windows 7. but i saw now I could just open the iso file directly ^ |
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| 10:51.29 | MarcoNL | glad to help ;-) |
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| 10:52.29 | gen0 | Ty =D |
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| 10:53.12 | xXEoflaOEXx | gen0, did you see: Browse ISO file? |
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| 10:55.09 | gen0 | xXEoflaOEXx: ye it looks like it solved. however, it looks like I got a new problem. Why can't I find any usb devices? |
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| 10:57.04 | xXEoflaOEXx | gen0, Did the USB devices plugged in correctly? |
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| 10:57.34 | gen0 | It works all fine in my debian system so I think so |
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| 10:59.27 | Achylles | I have a photos folder with 755 permission and I made a symbolic link to another user. I would like him only to see the photos and deny to copy them. Why he still can copy photos with only "xr" permissions? |
| 10:59.46 | xXEoflaOEXx | gen0, Did you see lsusb output? Post the output in pastebin. |
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| 11:00.06 | xXEoflaOEXx | gen0, and on the USB, did you see nothing on VirtualBox? |
| 11:00.07 | grawity | Achylles: because copying is reading! |
| 11:00.20 | Night_Elf | Achylles: If you can read a file, there is no stopping to save what you read to some other file. |
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| 11:01.31 | gen0 | it is in the lsusb output. yes, when I choose USB and press the "+" button it says no devices avaliable. |
| 11:01.37 | Achylles | So, how do I deny him to copy photos? |
| 11:01.52 | Night_Elf | Achylles: Deny read permission. |
| 11:02.24 | Achylles | but, then he cannot see the photos... |
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| 11:02.31 | Night_Elf | Achylles: this of this: cat /dir/somefile.here > /dir2/anotherfile" |
| 11:02.35 | grawity | Achylles: exactly, yes |
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| 11:02.47 | grawity | Achylles: as long as someone can see the pictures, they also can copy them |
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| 11:03.41 | xXEoflaOEXx | gen0, it could be a VirtualBox bug that needs to be solved. What VirtualBox version? |
| 11:05.18 | Achylles | So, no way on linux to do what I want. Right? |
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| 11:05.28 | gen0 | I DL'd it from synaptic, the version is 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1 |
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| 11:05.56 | gen0 | Aight, well, it's ok I can just share folder between my debian system and vm machine |
| 11:06.06 | Night_Elf | Achylles: I guess in every os on earth is the same thing. Can read? That means can copy. |
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| 11:06.52 | gen0 | anyway, I got another security regarding security. I'm planning on open some files I don't really trust in this machine. If I just cut off the network and share folders is that safe enough? And after I open'd the file I'll just delete the vmmachine. |
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| 11:07.22 | gen0 | question regarding security* Not security regarding security xD |
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| 11:08.13 | nic__ | Achylles, you need to control the user's software to do that, consider that one can always ake a screenshot in the worst case |
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| 11:14.50 | Night_Elf | gen0: So you will open the untrusted files in a vm whcih does not communicate with anything and then destroy the vm. I'd think it would be safe enough. |
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| 11:17.10 | gen0 | Aight. thx. |
| 11:17.33 | gen0 | Downloading the file on my regular pc and then send it to the machine? is that ok? |
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| 11:17.49 | gen0 | I mean, my pc can't get infected by just DL it right? if the DL is from a trusted site. |
| 11:18.30 | redhotchilipeppe | fuck you crooked nigger dick suckin, thieving, girl murdering Nazi/Jew trash...god damn sons of bitches need to fuckin ass die. |
| 11:18.48 | petn-randall | somiaj: Ivy Bridge GPU, in a Thinkpad T430s. |
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| 11:20.09 | nic__ | gen0, what are you trying to achieve? generally you can just open a file in a user account with limited privileges, then if malware takes control, it can't do more than what the unprivileged user account can do |
| 11:21.15 | gen0 | I see. Thx for info |
| 11:21.33 | Night_Elf | yes that would be a much simpler way to do that indeed. |
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| 11:22.59 | nic__ | which is why the default/encouraged approach of other OSes "do everyday stuff on an admin/sudoer user" is broken |
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| 11:24.51 | Night_Elf | nic__: A vast majority of the windows users I know could even argue on the benefits of setting a normal user to be part of the "Administrators" group. You know, I have even started to encourage them to do that. |
| 11:25.35 | Night_Elf | I mean if I have to laugh, why not do that with style? |
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| 11:27.15 | jelly | Night_Elf, nic__: Re: that "unprivileged user" https://xkcd.com/1200/ |
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| 11:29.25 | n4dir | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:29.48 | Achylles | thx a lot for clarifying the issue... |
| 11:29.53 | nic__ | jelly just encrypt the thing, if one-time stealing the laptop is a concern |
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| 11:39.37 | steakwipe | does anyone know the name of that app for "demoing" gtk themes? the one that basically shows all the toolkit widgets |
| 11:39.47 | steakwipe | i can never remember it, despite it being something rather obvious |
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| 11:50.49 | jelly | steakwipe: there was gtk-chtheme for gtk2 |
| 11:51.04 | steakwipe | nah not that, it was the widget factory one |
| 11:51.06 | steakwipe | but thanks :) |
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| 11:51.39 | steakwipe | i'm just having some strangeness with gtk themes (am on sid, asking for real help in the right places) figured i'd try the shotgun approach for the app's name |
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| 11:52.15 | jelly | I don't see you asking in #debian-next |
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| 11:53.01 | steakwipe | well, i haven't made it that far :P |
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| 11:53.28 | jelly | what are the right places then, irc.gnome.org? |
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| 11:53.37 | steakwipe | nono #debian-next is a great place to start (i'm in there right now) |
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| 11:54.10 | steakwipe | i also just suspect my GTK is too new for some themes so i'm making sure don't ask too stupid of a question |
| 11:54.13 | steakwipe | so i'm gathering examples. |
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| 11:58.04 | nic__ | steakwipe, gtk-demo from gtk2.0-examples ? |
| 11:58.55 | steakwipe | nah, but i found a solution that works for me. the one i'm thinking of was called "a widget factory", you'll see it in lots of theme screenshots and such. thanks though! |
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| 11:59.15 | steakwipe | just trying to figure out which themes are broken, and if it's due to my gtk being too new or something. |
| 11:59.24 | steakwipe | appreciate the help y'all |
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| 12:00.04 | _abc_ | Hello. Please suggest a debian wheezy replacement (can be manually written script) for the problem addressed by 'kvm-ok' mentioned in this link http://askubuntu.com/questions/103965/how-to-determine-if-cpu-vt-extensions-are-enabled-in-bios -- any ... |
| 12:00.08 | _abc_ | ... combination of msrtools etc suggested? No gui, must be command line |
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| 12:05.07 | sawk | no more freeze/crash so far... |
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| 12:06.20 | _abc_ | http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/utils/cpu-checker fwiw the cpu checker tool which seems to do the same thing has this source package. Would be useful to add to plain debian (even backports). Checking hw without a full install is a pain without this. |
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| 12:07.05 | jelly | !rfp |
| 12:07.05 | dpkg | Request For Package (RFP) is the way to ask for a piece of software to be included in Debian. See http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, the section on that page "Adding new entries with "reportbug"" is a good place to start. Technically, a RFP is a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: ", ask me about <wnpp>. The best way of getting software packaged is to do it yourself: ask me about <nmg>. |
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| 12:07.48 | jelly | _abc_: ^^ is the right way to tell Debian it would be useful to package up something |
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| 12:15.35 | unborn | jelly: how to join debian-next if its only for invites? |
| 12:16.19 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 12:16.20 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 12:17.41 | unborn | jelly: i did read that. question still reminds means not answered |
| 12:17.49 | unborn | *correctly |
| 12:17.59 | unborn | jelly: Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only) |
| 12:18.07 | petn-randall | unborn: It still means you didn't read it. |
| 12:18.14 | petn-randall | unborn: Read it again, and if needed, again. |
| 12:18.21 | unborn | petn-randall: just been there |
| 12:19.09 | Night_Elf | Most probably that channel is not invite only at irc.oftc.net |
| 12:19.58 | unborn | Night_Elf: ah yeah youre right. anyway it should be explained better for newcomers into debian. |
| 12:20.12 | n4dir | !debian-next |
| 12:20.12 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 12:20.14 | unborn | petn-randall: sure - got it. |
| 12:20.19 | jelly | unborn: if you can provide better wording, PLEASE DO |
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| 12:21.36 | petn-randall | Maybe both hints that it's the wrong network have to be in CAPS? |
| 12:21.39 | unborn | jelly: where? is there any git for that or perhaps how to update bot answers? - is there any clear info about this yet? |
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| 12:22.17 | jelly | unborn: just write it here. |
| 12:22.21 | gspr | Hi. I'm a bit confused with how dh-autoreconf works. It clobbers a bunch of the autoreconf files, which aren't restored upon clean. Is there something I'm missing regarding its use? |
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| 12:22.55 | Night_Elf | I think there's some mechanism to update dpkg message databases from here. But probably not all can do so and a user accepts updates only from designated users. |
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| 12:23.11 | Night_Elf | and the bot that is. |
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| 12:23.33 | missmbob | it's not the factoid's fault that unborn couldn't be bothered to read |
| 12:23.49 | jelly | gspr: maybe you want to ask in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net, or #packaging if you're not targeting inclusion in Debian but dealing with something custom |
| 12:24.27 | gspr | jelly: Ah, sorry. Thanks. |
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| 12:25.30 | unborn | jelly: To join #debian-next channel please click this: irc://irc.debian.org/debian-next or something.. normal end user would get refused and this leads to issues.. you know that. |
| 12:25.48 | unborn | yeah that link works |
| 12:25.48 | jelly | missmbob: not the first or the last one to misread it. So given this frsh experience, maybe they have a better sentence structure in mind |
| 12:25.59 | Night_Elf | Maybe adding the sentence: "Please join #debian-next on irc.oftc.net" could fix the missunderstanding when reading. It is a fact that non native English speakers can be confused sometimes. |
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| 12:26.06 | jelly | such a link only works in GUI clients |
| 12:26.59 | unborn | jelly: yeah I do use hexchat and in past xchat.. I do not use any web clients.. regards the terminal clients - you can adapt the link - can you? |
| 12:27.06 | n4dir | in real life a hard slap on the skull often helps a lot in understanding. |
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| 12:27.29 | Night_Elf | n4dir: and paves the way for a fist under the nose too. |
| 12:27.29 | petn-randall | n4dir: On the desk? |
| 12:27.47 | n4dir | or that. Anything which makes you think twice |
| 12:27.54 | unborn | ...that link is only official link on debian wikis.. |
| 12:27.55 | n4dir | :-) just kidding, of course |
| 12:28.01 | jelly | n4dir: sadly there's no IO device to give a remote user a Gibbs slap |
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| 12:28.07 | TomTomTo1 | maybe #debian-next on irc.oftc.net is the channel (...) |
| 12:28.50 | unborn | ...perhaps I was asking too much :) |
| 12:29.08 | n4dir | on a side note: i had the same problem too. It's just something which happens. |
| 12:29.10 | n4dir | it seems |
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| 12:34.03 | unborn | jelly: To join #debian-next if you using hexchat or xchat please click on this link irc://irc.debian.org/debian-next. If you using ssh client or terminal, please connect to irc.debian.org and then issue command /join #debian-next |
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| 12:34.12 | unborn | jelly: better? |
| 12:34.28 | jelly | maybe |
| 12:34.32 | unborn | :D |
| 12:34.43 | missmbob | greycat will shit himself |
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| 12:35.17 | unborn | missmbob: he wont.. jelly will never approve it :) |
| 12:35.45 | jelly | takes the proposal under advisement |
| 12:36.45 | unborn | perhaps anyone else is welcome to make it more better...the wording etc... |
| 12:39.43 | Night_Elf | The idea of "clicking links" is not inclusive. In a system with no gui there's no such a thing. A simpler "Join channel #xyz on network a.b.c" would do as a generic notifier. That's what I think. |
| 12:40.16 | unborn | Night_Elf: that is mentioned in last comment to jelly.. |
| 12:40.25 | unborn | well *it was |
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| 12:41.30 | unborn | Night_Elf: but to give other - ordinary users with hexchat a chance :) |
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| 12:42.13 | Night_Elf | unborn: What I mean is that instead of tech instructions (click, type command, etc) what matters is the notion of geting on some network and there joning a certain chanel. |
| 12:43.11 | Night_Elf | How technically this is done should not be important. Android irc clients have it all with tap-tap-tap. |
| 12:43.12 | Night_Elf | :p |
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| 12:44.04 | nic__ | make freenode's #debian-next have an explanatory topic and be not-invite-only |
| 12:44.26 | unborn | Night_Elf: yeah.. same here... not technically minded people will get lost.. |
| 12:44.50 | unborn | perhaps it would be fine to let anyone know--tech or non tech. |
| 12:45.11 | missmbob | nic__: if they cant read a factoid they're not going to read /topic saying it's not the real channel |
| 12:45.22 | Night_Elf | nic__: I fear that in time people will tend to remain there. Now, if the chanel would be +m mode and stop all from writing there, that could really solve it. |
| 12:47.04 | nic__ | Night_Elf, exactly. #fedora and #python take ths approach, they redirect to ##{fedora,python}-unregistered where you can't write |
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| 12:48.06 | unborn | - meh perhaps more easier would be to deploy my own bot for this |
| 12:48.14 | nic__ | and a bot warns you personally when entering the channel (mentioning your nick, so some clients also play a beep) |
| 12:49.10 | Night_Elf | I guess a topic in a chanel where you can't write is the simplest and quite effective. K.I.S.S. principle. |
| 12:49.59 | unborn | no one cant.. Night_Elf |
| 12:51.53 | Night_Elf | unborn: that's the entire point. The channel's function here would be to notify the incomers where to go, via the topic. But otherwise nothing else. So basically one enters, reads topic, undertands he can't write and all, and go to where the topic indicates. |
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| 12:54.29 | nic__ | besides, why is #debian-next not on the same network as #debian? |
| 12:55.11 | TomTomTo1 | it's this channel that is the odd one out. most debian channels moved to oftc. |
| 12:55.13 | jelly | nic__: #debian and #debian-* are all on irc.debian.org. It is _this_ channel that's a leftover and outlier. |
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| 12:58.42 | nic__ | why did they move? is oftc better in some respects? |
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| 12:59.42 | jelly | it may have been, back then |
| 12:59.44 | petn-randall | !oftc move |
| 12:59.44 | jelly | !irc move |
| 12:59.44 | dpkg | irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00012.html. Operators and bots (see <fact sharing>) will remain on both networks for the foreseeable future; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on Freenode. Questions? Ask in #debian on one or other network. See also http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/04/msg00333.html |
| 13:00.00 | petn-randall | beats jelly at IRC. |
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| 13:14.55 | eddard | I have 4 NICs, one of which connects to the internet. Can't ping between subnets on different NICs (reach the 10.10.x.1 gateway, but nothing beyond). Here's my /etc/network/interfaces: http://pastebin.com/5X8rYiw4 the pre-up/post-down are results of excessife googling to tackle the problm but don't do anything. |
| 13:15.06 | eddard | IP fowarding is on. |
| 13:15.26 | tobiasBora | Hello, |
| 13:15.35 | eddard | iptables -L is empty. |
| 13:16.47 | Night_Elf | eddard: Is iptables FORWARD default policy ACCEPT? |
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| 13:18.17 | tobiasBora | I'm looking for a tiling manager that works "like emacs". I would like : 1) To be able to split a window into two window 2) To be able to put a program in several workspaces, (but not all) 3) To support floating *and* tiling in the same time (for example in order to put a little skype/utox window above the other ones. |
| 13:18.49 | eddard | Night_Elf: http://pastebin.com/A5vzCQCZ |
| 13:18.58 | teraflops | tobiasBora: most of them do that |
| 13:19.18 | tobiasBora | teraflops: i3 doesn't do 1) according to https://faq.i3wm.org/question/2048/how-do-you-display-a-container-in-multiple-workspaces-simultaneously/ |
| 13:19.35 | tobiasBora | hum sorry |
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| 13:19.39 | teraflops | tobiasBora: you didnt's say simultaneously |
| 13:19.40 | tobiasBora | i3 does not do 2) |
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| 13:21.07 | eddard | Night_Elf: I guess "Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT)" in iptables -L means yes ... |
| 13:21.09 | tobiasBora | oh you mean that if I use one screen, i3 can do 2) ? |
| 13:21.29 | Night_Elf | eddard: It seems good. If ip_forward is set to 1 as well I'd expect the setup to work. Is this multi-nic machine the gateway for the stations that are expected to pass traffic through it for the respective networks ? |
| 13:21.31 | tobiasBora | and I think that awesome does not respect 1) |
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| 13:21.37 | Pavrr | tobiasBora, no it doesn't im pretty sure it can only be on one workspace |
| 13:21.53 | teraflops | tobiasBora: no I meant that you didn't say simultaneously that's all |
| 13:21.56 | Night_Elf | eddard: is routing setup properly at the rest of the computers? |
| 13:22.15 | tobiasBora | teraflops: Ah... Well yes simultaneously. |
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| 13:22.45 | tobiasBora | Do someone knows a TM respecting these 3 points ? |
| 13:22.57 | edixie | With today's update, there is a segfault in libgtk-3.so.0.2200.7 (amd64). I no longer get my login screen and my gnome-session is screwed. |
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| 13:23.04 | teraflops | tobiasBora: xmonad does XMonad.Actions.CopyWindow |
| 13:23.29 | ArnoldSchwarzene | i have a kaby lake cpu but i doubt it will run with jessie should i install stretch ? |
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| 13:23.47 | edixie | Is there a way to rollback my package to yesterday's levels |
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| 13:24.32 | eddard | Night_Elf: I'm on 10.10.1.2 and can't ping 10.10.4.3 (the gateway/router/firewall can). My route is default via 10.10.1.1 dev wlan0 proto static metric 600 10.10.0.0/16 dev wlan0 proto kernel scope link src 10.10.1.2 metric 600 169.254.0.0/16 dev wlan0 scope link metric 1000 |
| 13:24.39 | eddard | Does that seem right? |
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| 13:25.37 | TomTomTo1 | eddard: check if it's still in the repo with apt-cache policy <pkg> , otherwise there is http://snapshot.debian.org/ |
| 13:26.06 | teraflops | tobiasBora: well xmonad is simply the best, I don't want to start a WM war, just pointing a fact :D |
| 13:26.20 | eddard | TomTomTo1: ? |
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| 13:26.39 | Night_Elf | eddard: can you ping 10.10.4.1? And also you have to make sure that 10.10.4.3 is correctly set as well. The request might reach it, but the reply from it to you might not. |
| 13:26.42 | TomTomTo1 | oops, that was directed to edixie ^ |
| 13:27.04 | eddard | Night_Elf: I can ping 10.10.4.1 |
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| 13:29.07 | *** topic/#debian by abrotman -> nwanted private messages? /umode +R | Debian 8 Jessie released! /msg dpkg jessie ; /msg dpkg wheezy->jessie ; /msg dpkg install jessie | current point releases: /msg dpkg 8.7; /msg dpkg 7.11 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | testing/unstable: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) | chanlogs: /msg dpkg irclo |
| 13:29.09 | Night_Elf | eddard: What about 10.10.4.3 towards 10.10.1.1 ? |
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| 13:29.43 | tobiasBora | teraflops: WMonad needs 500Mo to run right N |
| 13:29.55 | Night_Elf | eddard: it probably can as well as it is the same box. |
| 13:30.22 | eddard | Night_Elf: Not Straight forward - headless box I'm trying to set up. 10.10.1.1 can ping it ... |
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| 13:30.42 | unborn | yay hopefully update notifications has been fixed in 8.7 :D |
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| 13:32.10 | Night_Elf | eddard: So you can't easily connect to it. If you can connect/login to 10.10.1.1 from there you can then login to 10.10.4.3 and do the test. |
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| 13:32.53 | steakwipe | anyone know if it's safe to downgrade from unstable to testing? and if yes, just re-do my sources and 'upgrade'? |
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| 13:33.47 | Pavrr | !downgrade |
| 13:33.47 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 13:34.03 | steakwipe | that's more or less what i was expecting, thanks |
| 13:34.10 | Night_Elf | steakwipe: for some reason I have always seen downgrades as a sort of voodoo. But it ungrounded belief as I have not tried to do that ever. |
| 13:34.26 | teraflops | tobiasBora: disk space? yeah :D |
| 13:34.27 | unborn | steakwipe: just do clean net install - reinstall :) |
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| 13:34.39 | teraflops | blame ghc |
| 13:34.41 | mww113 | yeah that's probably the way to go |
| 13:34.53 | mww113 | not worth the trouble of downgrading anyway |
| 13:35.09 | mww113 | it will cost you a lot more time and effort that reinstalling would |
| 13:35.11 | steakwipe | nothing's broken enough to need to do it, was just wondering |
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| 13:35.32 | mww113 | but yeah unstable is just that ;) |
| 13:35.49 | steakwipe | i expected far more breakage out of unstable really, lol |
| 13:35.55 | steakwipe | knock on wood |
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| 13:36.12 | mww113 | lol are you using it for a personal machine or a server? |
| 13:36.17 | steakwipe | just my personal box |
| 13:36.21 | steakwipe | i like to play with stuff |
| 13:36.27 | mww113 | oh that makes sense |
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| 13:40.03 | steakwipe | i'd avoid a reinstall at almost any cost, just cause my downlink is super slow lol |
| 13:40.15 | steakwipe | but no in this case i'm just adventuring |
| 13:40.21 | Pavrr | dpkg says it might be possible |
| 13:40.21 | dpkg | no idea, Pavrr |
| 13:40.27 | Pavrr | !unstable->testing |
| 13:40.42 | Pavr | wth |
| 13:40.45 | steakwipe | if i decide i'm ready to risk a reinstall, then i might go ahead and try it ;) |
| 13:41.12 | Pavr | <dpkg> Since packages generally migrate from unstable to testing fairly regularly, downgrading from unstable to testing is sometimes possible (see <partial downgrade>). Alternatively change "unstable" to "testing" in your sources.list and wait for packages migrate; installing new packages during this time might be problematic, however. Ask me about <reinstall>. |
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| 13:42.03 | steakwipe | I do know that unstable is pretty close to testing, which is the only reason i'd consider it |
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| 13:42.42 | steakwipe | I'm a little unclear what it means to wait until they migrate, as in, how would one tell when everything's migrated to testing? |
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| 13:45.51 | mww113 | steakwipe: well i suppose you could change your sources |
| 13:45.54 | mww113 | to testing |
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| 13:46.38 | mww113 | and then check the version of packages you already have installed to see if they're in testing yet or not. according to the wiki most packages are added to testing from unstable after 2-10 days |
| 13:46.57 | steakwipe | yeah that 2-10 days bit i read is what made me curious |
| 13:47.08 | steakwipe | tried to do some research before asking here |
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| 13:48.11 | CrazyTux | how different is Debian with Cinnamon than Linux Mint Debian Edition? |
| 13:48.34 | babilen | CrazyTux: About 0.74 |
| 13:48.54 | missmbob | one is debian |
| 13:48.58 | CrazyTux | babilen, what? |
| 13:49.02 | teraflops | CrazyTux: 9 |
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| 13:49.22 | abrotman | CrazyTux: we don't do comparisons |
| 13:49.22 | CrazyTux | teraflops, I didn't get you. |
| 13:49.30 | babilen | teraflops: We should at least decide to use a similar scale |
| 13:49.40 | teraflops | fair enough ;) |
| 13:49.43 | nic__ | LMDE is a develpment platform/testbed, Debian stable with cinnamon is... stable |
| 13:49.54 | babilen | CrazyTux: It's impossible to answer that question. How do you measure difference? Why don't you try both and make up your own mind? |
| 13:50.02 | CrazyTux | nic__, ok. |
| 13:50.14 | teraflops | CrazyTux: are you aware that almost all the questions you ask here are unrelated to the topic? |
| 13:50.25 | CrazyTux | ok. |
| 13:50.28 | abrotman | perhaps we should ask the ops to ban CrazyTux ? |
| 13:50.39 | teraflops | nah |
| 13:50.49 | nic__ | CrazyTux, the best place to ask is #linuxmint on spotchat |
| 13:51.09 | CrazyTux | as a newbie to Linux, I am just trying to get some info about different distros. |
| 13:51.25 | abrotman | CrazyTux: right, which is why I pointed you at ##linux a few days ago |
| 13:51.41 | abrotman | pretty certain that was you anyway |
| 13:52.05 | CrazyTux | the main thing I wanted to ask is the stability and security of Mint Debian Edition vis a vis Debian. |
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| 13:52.33 | MarcoNL | Anyone with experience in preseed files to create a raid 1 setup? |
| 13:53.34 | abrotman | CrazyTux: try them both, let us know |
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| 13:54.37 | CrazyTux | and one more question, if I intend to install Debian alongside Windows 10 in a dual boot setup, which OS should I install first? |
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| 13:54.55 | teraflops | windows first |
| 13:55.06 | CrazyTux | teraflops, why? |
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| 13:55.36 | teraflops | CrazyTux: you have bios/mbr or uefi? |
| 13:55.36 | CrazyTux | I already have Debian installed on my laptop. Now intend to install Windows. |
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| 13:56.17 | CrazyTux | I bought a laptop just a few days back. |
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| 14:01.44 | monteux | the windows bootloader would overwrite the grub or whatever other bootloader wouldn't it, if you install Windows after Debian |
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| 14:02.07 | xorox90 | could spare time for my nfsv4+kerberos problem? http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=131274 |
| 14:02.22 | CrazyTux | ok. I never did something like that. So, new to that too. |
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| 14:04.35 | monteux | you can reinstall the bootloader afterwards with a Debian installation cd in rescue mode, but if you don't really know what you're doing, it might be better off starting with Windows, and then let the Debian installation configure the bootloader for both |
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| 14:05.30 | CrazyTux | my laptop supports UEFI. |
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| 14:07.49 | jelly | CrazyTux: windows will require uefi, so if you don't already use the uefi partition and boot setup, you'll have additional steps to recover bootability of linux |
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| 14:08.44 | CrazyTux | ok. Will study all that. Looks somewhat complicated. I'll install Windows in Virtual Box for now. |
| 14:08.56 | CrazyTux | Thanks a lot guys, for help. |
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| 14:16.06 | nic__ | CrazyTux, microsoft has preinstalled VMs available from their website if that can help |
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| 14:16.33 | nic__ | also look into wine, it runs some windows programs with some caveats |
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| 14:45.17 | dury | hi there channel :-) |
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| 14:47.29 | dury | I'm trying to install Skype got this problem |
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| 14:49.01 | dury | http://pastebin.com/cDSRFY8G |
| 14:51.16 | dury | https://paste.debian.net/909701/ |
| 14:52.23 | dury | can anyone help me or suggest me, please |
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| 14:53.32 | dury | need to install this package => libasound2-plugins:i386 |
| 14:54.14 | dury | platform i386 installed |
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| 14:57.33 | dury | https://paste.debian.net/909703/ |
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| 14:57.55 | dury | how can..... jeeeesuuuusssss |
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| 15:01.37 | Night_Elf-away | dury: you can try to "apt-get install -f" and see if it fixes things. |
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| 15:03.24 | dury | Night_Elf-away, I'm going to give you the result of that.... one moment |
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| 15:04.30 | BAndChat | Hi to all |
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| 15:05.11 | dury | Night_Elf-away, look https://paste.debian.net/909707/ |
| 15:05.30 | Night_Elf-away | yes, you continue. |
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| 15:05.58 | Night_Elf-away | dury: ^ |
| 15:06.12 | dury | Night_Elf-away, I don't want to delete all that packages, see? |
| 15:06.15 | BAndChat | Is debian allows to attach and detach its components? |
| 15:06.27 | Night_Elf-away | dury: They won't. |
| 15:06.33 | Night_Elf-away | Only skype will. |
| 15:07.20 | dury | Night_Elf-away, ok, it did, then? |
| 15:07.55 | Night_Elf-away | dury: For installing skype, I have done it with the gui utility named 'gdebi'. Install it via apt-get first, and then with it install skype. |
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| 15:08.42 | dury | Night_Elf-away, how is that? |
| 15:08.50 | jelly | dury: which debian release is this? |
| 15:08.58 | dury | jessie |
| 15:09.09 | jelly | ,v libasound2-plugins --arch i386 |
| 15:09.10 | judd | Package: libasound2-plugins on i386 -- wheezy: 1.0.25-2; jessie: 1.0.28-1+b1; sid: 1.1.1-1; stretch: 1.1.1-1; sid-multimedia: 1:1.1.1-dmo1 |
| 15:09.18 | jelly | huh, that ought to work |
| 15:09.38 | Night_Elf-away | dury: apt-get install gdebi |
| 15:09.44 | dury | ok |
| 15:09.44 | jelly | dury: what does "dpkg --print-foreign-architectures" say? |
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| 15:10.52 | dury | Night_Elf-away, is already installed |
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| 15:12.05 | dury | jelly, it says i386 |
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| 15:13.17 | dury | Night_Elf-away, jelly, what now? |
| 15:13.39 | jelly | dury: alright, let's go back to https://paste.debian.net/909701/ then. First, so you already have a 64bit libjack-jackd2-0 or libjack-0.116 installed already? |
| 15:13.47 | jelly | do* you |
| 15:14.26 | jelly | dury: "dpkg -l libjack-jackd2-0 libjack-0.116" |
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| 15:15.34 | Night_Elf-away | dury: jelly is right. If you gave an amd64 then you need to enable support for i386(32 bit) and then be able to install 32bit applications or libraries in a 64 bit system. |
| 15:15.39 | Night_Elf-away | have* |
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| 15:16.09 | jelly | they already got that part set up right |
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| 15:16.17 | elvirolo | hi al |
| 15:16.18 | elvirolo | all |
| 15:16.32 | elvirolo | Could anyone tell me where the systemd journal is stored? |
| 15:16.34 | dury | https://paste.debian.net/909709/ |
| 15:17.49 | dury | jelly, it's all right |
| 15:18.19 | dury | jelly, I mean have I pasted properly |
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| 15:19.18 | jelly | dury: so install libjack-jackd2-0:i386 first, then try dealing with skype again |
| 15:20.11 | dury | yeah but... see what it says when I'm trying to do that, jelly |
| 15:20.16 | jelly | yes it's ok, and it seems you don't have either option installed. I'm not entirely sure why apt-get -f install hiccupped. |
| 15:20.35 | blackflow | elvirolo: journald.conf manpage explains Storage param, defined in /etc/systemd/journald.conf |
| 15:20.39 | jelly | dury: what does it say when you "apt-get install libjack-jackd2-0:i386" ? |
| 15:20.49 | Night_Elf-away | jelly: wouldn't gdebi have resolved the dependencies? It has done that for me quite a few times when I didn't know what to do. It is basically how I install manually downloaded .deb files. |
| 15:20.52 | dury | hang on |
| 15:20.53 | elvirolo | blackflow: thank you :) |
| 15:21.28 | jelly | Night_Elf-away: worth a try but I don't think it's much smarter than running apt-get -f install after the fact |
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| 15:22.06 | Night_Elf-away | jelly: to think of it, yes that is true. |
| 15:22.33 | dury | jelly, success installing that.... I thought it was going to say something |
| 15:23.03 | dury | jelly, after that, what else? |
| 15:23.19 | jelly | now try skype again |
| 15:23.32 | jelly | dpkg -i ... and apt-get -f install after that |
| 15:23.32 | dpkg | installs ... and apt-get -f install after that into jelly's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
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| 15:23.49 | dury | all |
| 15:23.54 | dury | all right |
| 15:23.59 | dury | hang on |
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| 15:25.29 | dury | jelly, success :-) |
| 15:25.55 | dury | jelly, thanks |
| 15:26.09 | dury | jelly, thanks so much indeed :-) |
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| 15:29.07 | jelly | dury: also, now mark the library as auto-installed so apt can automatically remove it later if you decide to remove skype or if skype upgrade changes dependencies |
| 15:29.19 | jelly | dury: apt-mark auto libjack-jackd2-0:i386 |
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| 15:32.06 | dury | jelly, after typing apt-get update && apt-get upgrade I got this.... one sec |
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| 15:33.24 | dury | jelly, https://paste.debian.net/909716/ |
| 15:33.40 | dury | I don't want to remove it |
| 15:33.40 | jelly | that's the same as before |
| 15:33.56 | jelly | which of those do you care about? |
| 15:33.59 | jelly | and why? |
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| 15:35.10 | dury | I'm noot sure something rare after installing apt-get install mixxx |
| 15:35.30 | jelly | dury: do you have custom python scripts or apps needing those modules? |
| 15:35.57 | dury | jelly I'm not sure |
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| 15:36.12 | jelly | eh, did you write any python scripts or not? |
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| 15:36.45 | jelly | dury: are you a python coder? |
| 15:36.51 | dury | jelly there was the application installed. I guess |
| 15:37.10 | jelly | anything installed via apt will take care of its own dependencies. |
| 15:37.21 | dury | jelly I want to learn |
| 15:37.46 | jelly | I'd say do the autoremove thing, and only worry if something breaks after. |
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| 15:38.19 | dury | worry if something breaks after, that's right |
| 15:38.48 | jelly | if you're not a coder, and if you did not install stuff from source or some way other than apt, then there's little reason to worry |
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| 15:39.34 | jelly | the package names suggest this is a bunch of libraries and python modules, no specific apps |
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| 15:40.17 | dury | let's try to install python then to disappear that.... is that right? |
| 15:40.28 | jelly | no |
| 15:40.47 | jelly | just do "apt-get autoremove" like it suggests |
| 15:41.13 | gen0 | Hey guys. What's the safest way opening a file i think is not safe? And how do I determine if the file is save or not? |
| 15:41.24 | dury | sure, jelly |
| 15:41.28 | tomcres | gen0: what kind of file is it? |
| 15:41.29 | somiaj | gen0: what type of file? |
| 15:41.35 | gen0 | pdf |
| 15:41.47 | jelly | dury: then, dunno, reboot, log in again and see if the stuff you use works |
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| 15:43.32 | tomcres | gen0: I wouldn't worry as long as you're subscribed to security updates and you're regularly updating your system. |
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| 15:43.37 | somiaj | gen0: I think xpdf won't run any scripts inside the pdf file and just view it. Run as an unprivlaged user (maybe not as your default user just in case). But I don't think xpdf or most simple pdf readers can read/write things just by trying to view it. |
| 15:44.06 | somiaj | gen0: but I wouldn't worry about a .pdf file (unless you say have a pdf reader that can be exploited/scripted) |
| 15:44.06 | jelly | gen0: set up a second computer, install an OS and a pdf viewer on it, download the file, unplug it from any networks (except power line), then open the file |
| 15:44.06 | nic__ | or login with the guest acount if your display manager supports it |
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| 15:44.32 | somiaj | gen0: how much you try to sandbox/isolate the file is dependent on how safe you want to be. |
| 15:45.00 | jelly | poppler library (what xpdf and most free pdf tools) has a couple CVE-s every year |
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| 15:45.16 | gen0 | Thank you for the answers guys. I belive jelly's way is the safest. |
| 15:45.27 | gen0 | But if it's overdoing or not idk, but either way it's the safest. |
| 15:45.37 | gen0 | rather overdo it than underdo it |
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| 15:46.42 | gen0 | But stil, how do I know if the file is infected or not? |
| 15:46.51 | jelly | nothing like a nice airgap to keep the evil bits away |
| 15:47.13 | jelly | and if it's a decent targeted malware, you won't know |
| 15:47.44 | tomcres | gen0: you could scan it with clamav or another antivirus app |
| 15:47.50 | jelly | is only half-joking |
| 15:48.16 | jelly | clamav with default db won't catch current malware you get in by mail |
| 15:48.32 | gen0 | alright. I could just take screenshots of the pdf and send to my normal pc? but maybe they get infected on the way? |
| 15:48.48 | jelly | some of the third-party databases (sanesecurity) keeps more up-to-date with current threats |
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| 15:49.52 | jelly | gen0: if you're that paranoid, you can always take pictures of the screen, or print it |
| 15:50.05 | dury | hi there channel :-) |
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| 15:51.03 | dury | jelly by now everything is correct |
| 15:51.23 | jelly | !win dury |
| 15:51.23 | dpkg | Congratulations, dury! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 15:51.26 | gen0 | ^^ Aight. Thanks guys. What would life be without this channel. |
| 15:51.59 | dury | nevermind |
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| 15:53.19 | dury | best gift is to know how to get on with debian |
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| 15:54.47 | dury | debian is my best gift |
| 15:55.04 | dury | better than ubuntu |
| 15:55.26 | gen0 | Debian is like the wife you never got. |
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| 15:55.53 | dury | that's right |
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| 15:57.13 | dury | Universal OS who uses |
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| 15:57.51 | dury | gen0, who uses? |
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| 15:59.12 | gen0 | idk what that is |
| 15:59.24 | gen0 | Why isn't virtualbox in synaptic anymore? |
| 16:00.03 | tomcres | ,v virtualbox |
| 16:00.04 | judd | Package: virtualbox on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports/contrib: 5.1.8-dfsg-6~bpo8+2; sid/contrib: 5.1.14-dfsg-1 |
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| 16:00.38 | tomcres | gen0: do you have contrib and non-free set up in your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 16:01.14 | gen0 | ah that may be the problem, I re-installed debian. |
| 16:01.23 | gen0 | How do I change this? |
| 16:01.27 | gen0 | I don't remember |
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| 16:02.15 | tomcres | gen0: edit the /etc/apt/sources.list file adding "contrib non-free" after "main" |
| 16:02.16 | gen0 | Since I cannot change the file in "files" I need to do it from the terminal. |
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| 16:05.22 | gen0 | is there anyone that knows how to add non-free contrib to the etc/apt/sources.list threw the terminal? I would also need to know what I'm supposed to add. |
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| 16:06.14 | n4dir | su; nano /etc/apt/sources.list ; if you don't know any other editor |
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| 16:07.38 | gen0 | Right thank you n4dir. Now I need to add the non-free contrib. What am I supposed to add? |
| 16:07.49 | gen0 | I'm on GNOME / jessie |
| 16:07.58 | zykotick9 | like the "apt edit-sources" trick for opening /e/a/s.l in default editor |
| 16:08.34 | tomcres | gen0: for each line where you see it end in "main," add "contrib non-free" |
| 16:09.06 | gen0 | ***zykotick9: cool. Thx. |
| 16:09.06 | gen0 | tomcres: Arrigato my friend. |
| 16:09.32 | maap | can anyone recommend video editing software that 1) is packaged in debian, 2) works well on a puny netbook with 2 gb of ram, 3) can splice video clips together, mix audio tracks, edit subtitles and overlay graphics? it's ok if it works on a low-resolution video when editing and then applies the changes to the full-sized material. |
| 16:09.44 | tomcres | gen0: after you save, don't forget to run `apt update` |
| 16:10.48 | maap | tomcres: well, not the src lines. |
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| 16:13.11 | n4dir | best might be to comment the src lines, if one is sure one will not use them |
| 16:14.52 | yoh-r | Hello. I have a problem installing one package. I have added repositories(debian jessie main) for this package to /etc/apt/sources.list and added key. Did aptitude update and it processed repositories correctly (as it seems to me). But when i'm trying to do aptitude install <package> it says "No candidate version found for <package>" |
| 16:15.01 | yoh-r | I'm using debian stable. |
| 16:15.28 | gen0 | Should I remove main or should it also be there? |
| 16:15.39 | yoh-r | Accourding to all manuals/guides(including official site of the <package>) i did everything correctly. |
| 16:15.42 | n4dir | gen0: should be there |
| 16:15.44 | tomcres | gen0: no! leave main there |
| 16:15.46 | n4dir | should like must |
| 16:15.55 | gen0 | looks like I got my hands on virtualbox atleast, but I got some errors lol |
| 16:17.04 | yoh-r | Does anyone have any ideas about what could be wrong? |
| 16:17.25 | maap | yoh-r: negative pinning for that package source maybe? |
| 16:17.38 | yoh-r | what's that? |
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| 16:17.53 | yoh-r | btw, apt search doesn't find that package |
| 16:18.08 | n4dir | which package? |
| 16:18.11 | yoh-r | same as apt-get search and search in aptitude even in decription |
| 16:18.13 | yoh-r | hhvm |
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| 16:18.32 | n4dir | ,v hhvm |
| 16:18.33 | judd | Package: hhvm on amd64 -- sid: 3.12.11+dfsg-1+b1 |
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| 16:18.57 | yoh-r | Ah... i see |
| 16:18.58 | n4dir | doesn't seem to be in debian stable, assuming i understand the bot correct. sure is not on my system |
| 16:19.02 | yoh-r | amd64 |
| 16:19.11 | n4dir | and sid |
| 16:19.37 | yoh-r | I had to add repositories for it to sources.list |
| 16:19.42 | gen0 | So guys, is it more safe to run vpn on my debian system + proxy in my firefox browser? than only running with vpn |
| 16:19.53 | yoh-r | deb http://dl.hhvm.com/debian jessie main |
| 16:19.56 | n4dir | 7 proxies ! |
| 16:20.11 | yoh-r | ( http://dl.hhvm.com/debian/pool/main/h/hhvm/ ) |
| 16:20.20 | yoh-r | but it seems there are only amd64 packages.... |
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| 16:20.26 | n4dir | yoh-r: in general it isn't the best idea to add third party repos or packages. |
| 16:20.30 | jelly | yoh-r: repositories build specifically with jessie in mind are fine. do NOT and sid repositories to your jessie system. |
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| 16:20.41 | maap | gen0: that depends entirely on what vpn and what proxy and what you mean by 'security'. doing it the wrong way may neutralise the security you get from either. |
| 16:20.57 | jelly | yoh-r: can you not install a 64bit system? |
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| 16:21.39 | yoh-r | well.. i'm using x86... |
| 16:21.51 | maap | gen0: but if what you're after is anonymous web browsing i really recommend using the official tor browser rather than putting something together yourself. |
| 16:21.52 | jelly | yoh-r: why? |
| 16:22.08 | jelly | yoh-r: how old is your machine, which cpu model does it use? |
| 16:22.10 | yoh-r | cpus aren't 64-bit |
| 16:22.16 | tomcres | yoh-r: it says right at the top of their Installation web page that they only support x86_64 |
| 16:22.38 | yoh-r | Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.40GHz |
| 16:23.07 | jelly | yoh-r: grep '\blm\b' /proc/cpuinfo |wc -l |
| 16:23.08 | yoh-r | tomcres, i didn't see packaged that are only x86_64 before... and didn't notice that >_> |
| 16:23.10 | gen0 | I simply do not wish people to know I'm surfing on their website. Yes I guess there is just no point in modify firefox when we have tor. |
| 16:23.31 | yoh-r | jelly, returns "0" |
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| 16:23.54 | jelly | yoh-r: ah, then you're out of luck |
| 16:24.06 | yoh-r | *sigh* |
| 16:24.16 | jelly | get a newer system, from like 2005 :-) |
| 16:24.25 | n4dir | gen0: i guess for such a proxy is fine, or a vpn. At least not the usual webmasters |
| 16:24.32 | n4dir | un-educated guess |
| 16:24.41 | yoh-r | this thing was a part of a big manual... |
| 16:24.49 | yoh-r | >_< |
| 16:24.49 | jelly | there are G5 proliants on ebay for cheap |
| 16:25.24 | yoh-r | I don't have extra money for that. |
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| 16:26.50 | jelly | yoh-r: then no hhvm for you. They even say x64 right there on the first page http://hhvm.com/ |
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| 16:27.23 | yoh-r | jelly, i didn't notice that |
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| 16:29.50 | yoh-r | anyway... thanks |
| 16:30.09 | n4dir | yoh-r: no clue about it, but apt-cache finds phpunit-environment , did you notice? |
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| 16:30.51 | yoh-r | yes |
| 16:31.13 | yoh-r | it's not that package |
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| 16:32.12 | yoh-r | anyway.... maybe you know a decent manual on how to set up a simple web server with mail and stuff with ssl on debian? |
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| 16:41.22 | gen0 | yoh-r if you find any msg me, I need this shit too. |
| 16:42.56 | yoh-r | :D |
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| 16:51.26 | gen0 | test |
| 16:51.51 | yoh-r | gen0, you're using 64-bit system? |
| 16:52.11 | gen0 | ye I'm on 64 jessie. Can't msg you priv |
| 16:52.20 | yoh-r | yea, same |
| 16:52.31 | gen0 | "You must log in with services to message this user" what is this? |
| 16:52.37 | yoh-r | try again |
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| 16:52.59 | yoh-r | that's probably because of usermode +R |
| 16:53.09 | yoh-r | (it's in description of this channel) |
| 16:53.21 | jelly | gen0: /msg NickServ help register |
| 16:53.23 | yoh-r | seems to disable private messages from thos who isn't registered |
| 16:53.41 | yoh-r | (err, not description -- topic) |
| 16:54.27 | gen0 | I think it works now. |
| 16:54.34 | yoh-r | yeah |
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| 16:54.51 | yoh-r | sec |
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| 16:55.23 | ImUs3r | xfce vs kde vs cinnamon vs mate vs lxde, which is good? |
| 16:55.23 | muggles_ | any idea why aclocal-1.13 is missing? |
| 16:55.27 | muggles_ | (jessie) |
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| 16:55.47 | muggles_ | ImUs3r: depends on your workflow |
| 16:56.19 | ImUs3r | what you mean? |
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| 16:56.28 | zykotick9 | ImUs3r: blue vs red vs yellow vs orange, which is good? <- see the problem? it's personal opinion ;) |
| 16:56.34 | yoh-r | ImUs3r, i'd say i3wm is good, why do you need DE anyway? |
| 16:56.49 | ImUs3r | kde is good? |
| 16:57.06 | muggles_ | ImUs3r: kde is good if you use a lot of kde applications, gnome is good if you are using a lot of gnome applications etc. |
| 16:57.23 | muggles_ | but what zykotick9 is true |
| 16:57.32 | jelly | ImUs3r: use each for two weeks and see for yourself |
| 16:57.34 | yoh-r | muggles_, and what if someone is using a lot of both? |
| 16:57.56 | Pavr | you can use kde applications in gnome and vice versa |
| 16:57.56 | yoh-r | (and don't need the rest of DE stuff) |
| 16:58.09 | muggles_ | yoh-r: well then you pick what you like? |
| 16:58.13 | ImUs3r | how about xfce? |
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| 16:58.24 | maap | xfce is fine. |
| 16:58.26 | muggles_ | xfce used to be low memory footprint vs gnome |
| 16:58.48 | ImUs3r | kde is best then? |
| 16:58.53 | muggles_ | ImUs3r: there is no best |
| 16:59.11 | ImUs3r | what most debian user use? |
| 16:59.17 | n4dir | !best |
| 16:59.17 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 16:59.54 | jelly | wouldn't it be nice |
| 17:00.26 | tomcres | ImUs3r: IMO kde is best, followed by xfce, cinnamon, and lxde, and mate is trash. I'm sure that everyone else's opinion in here differs from mine. Just install a few and try them and see which you like. You can always uninstall/change them later on. |
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| 17:01.01 | ImUs3r | kde is best |
| 17:01.13 | ImUs3r | :) |
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| 17:01.19 | zykotick9 | the first time i ever read "sparkle vomit" it was to describe kde... |
| 17:01.23 | ImUs3r | thanks tomcres |
| 17:01.49 | muggles_ | ImUs3r: xmonad is best ;P |
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| 17:02.03 | ff_ | kde is best when you dont't mind of its memory usage |
| 17:02.21 | EdePopede | an actual KDE on such a machine? >> CPU: 2 x AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 6400+ (AuthenticAMD) @ 1.80GHz ** RAM: Physical: 2.0GiB |
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| 17:04.01 | Anonymous422 | Hello. |
| 17:04.11 | tomcres | it's ultimately a bikeshed argumentâ¦they'll all do just fine for launching programs and browsing files. Heck, I think there's even someone here using fvwm! |
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| 17:06.07 | ff_ | tomcres: I didn't know it, what's good about it? Usually lxde here. |
| 17:06.07 | jelly | but fvwm 1.24, not that newfangled fvwm2 stuff |
| 17:06.40 | Anonymous422 | Need help? |
| 17:07.13 | EdePopede | ask? |
| 17:07.13 | ff_ | An422, a lot |
| 17:08.14 | Anonymous422 | Well, I don't have much time now, but what's the prob? |
| 17:10.04 | ff_ | which DE is best? |
| 17:10.24 | dionysus69 | serious stuff guys |
| 17:10.52 | dionysus69 | I am starting a new job at one place where they are planning to implement office 365, is there an alternative that I can offer them ? |
| 17:11.08 | dionysus69 | open source alternative* |
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| 17:11.35 | Anonymous422 | well, it depends on what u need to do on your DE |
| 17:11.41 | gen0 | What's wrong with windows |
| 17:11.45 | gen0 | xxxxxxxxxDDDEDEDE |
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| 17:12.49 | nic_ | dionysus69, libreoffice, calligra? |
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| 17:14.11 | tomcres | dionysus69: if just for the office software, then libreofficeâ¦but O365 also bundles some services, which I don't really know much about |
| 17:14.16 | Anonymous422 | gen0 Everything wrong with Windows |
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| 17:14.40 | dionysus69 | i am looking for services too |
| 17:14.53 | dionysus69 | like email, and sharing office files in cloud |
| 17:15.00 | dionysus69 | all that is built in 365 |
| 17:15.16 | gen0 | Ye windows is some really nasty shit |
| 17:15.38 | Anonymous422 | agree |
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| 17:16.05 | charking | hello. I have a laptop+monitor. When I output 1920x1080 and 1920x1200, the bottom of the laptop display is cut off. If I change the monitor resolution to 1920x1080, then the laptop display is not cut off. How can I use different resolutions without the laptop display being cut off? |
| 17:16.51 | tomcres | charking are you mirroring the output or extending the desktop? |
| 17:16.59 | charking | tomcres: mirroring |
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| 17:18.07 | tomcres | charking: that's your problem right there. The laptop can't display the extra lines that your monitor can so it's not displaying them. You'll have to settle for 1920x1080, which seems to be the max your laptop supports. |
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| 17:19.04 | EdePopede | dionysus69: maybe you could succeed where they failed... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LiMux |
| 17:19.05 | charking | tomcres: thanks, the problem seems obvious now :) |
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| 17:19.26 | gen0 | Anonymous422: You can really feel how evil it is when you're around it. Imagine if you built an AI on windows.. It would slaughter every single human in the world. |
| 17:19.35 | nic_ | dionysus69, a quick google search returns "open365" |
| 17:19.35 | Anonymous422 | Bye guys, gonna work on some cool hacking stuff. I'll be back soon tomorrow morning |
| 17:19.55 | dionysus69 | nic_: yes but that is pretty limited. I ll try my best anyways. |
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| 17:22.49 | bum | Who helped me to set up iball i701 tablet; please pm |
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| 17:51.23 | graps | Hi all |
| 17:51.29 | xXEoflaOEXx | graps, Hi |
| 17:51.30 | JT|work | sup graps |
| 17:51.51 | graps | JT|work: Not bad, thanks |
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| 17:57.34 | graps | brb |
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| 17:57.58 | gen0 | What debian jessie desktop enviroment is the fastest one? xfce? |
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| 17:58.36 | greycat | I should think GNOME or KDE is much more bloated than XFCE. |
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| 17:59.10 | yoh-r | all DEs are slow, though GNOME and KDE are probably slower than others. |
| 17:59.10 | tomcres | gen0: if you're in a memory constrained environment, XFCE should be fine; LXDE maybe a little better |
| 17:59.13 | CrazyTux | also, which DE is more well integrated with Debian Jessie? |
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| 17:59.30 | greycat | You'll have to try them all and form your own opinions. |
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| 17:59.49 | gen0 | Alright thanks. How come my gnome system laggs on my regular? |
| 17:59.59 | yoh-r | gen0, did you think about not using ANY de, and using just a WM? |
| 17:59.59 | gen0 | I mean I got a i5 and 16gb ram |
| 18:00.04 | xXEoflaOEXx | Is XFCE suitable for 2004 computers? I have one 2004 computer that needs to be fast. |
| 18:00.15 | gen0 | what is DE? |
| 18:00.20 | CrazyTux | what kind of users is Cinnamon DE targeted for? |
| 18:00.21 | yoh-r | Desktop Environment |
| 18:00.25 | yoh-r | WM - Window manager |
| 18:00.25 | tomcres | CrazyTux: The Debian team does a pretty good job at integrating all the DE's. I've tried a few and they all seem to be very usable out of the box. |
| 18:00.36 | gen0 | aha |
| 18:00.51 | gen0 | So without any DE it's as fastest as it can get? |
| 18:00.51 | greycat | gen0: My first guess would be video card drivers. |
| 18:01.10 | CrazyTux | I know Lxde and Xfce are relatively lightweight than others. |
| 18:01.11 | tomcres | CrazyTux: cinnamon is a GNOME3 environment for folks who dislike the default GNOME Shell |
| 18:01.19 | gen0 | greycat you are probably correct |
| 18:01.20 | greycat | Certain nvidia cards especially need proprietary drivers that will take some additional effort to install. |
| 18:01.22 | gen0 | I haven't installed that |
| 18:01.33 | gen0 | yeah. It's the same as in windows right? |
| 18:01.44 | greycat | Not quite the same, but you're in the right ballpark. |
| 18:02.08 | greycat | Start by figuring out which card you have: lspci -nn | grep VGA |
| 18:02.09 | CrazyTux | what are the reasons that make GNOME shell not likeable? |
| 18:02.25 | tomcres | xXEoflaOEXx: It depends on the machine specs. I'm using KDE just fine on my 2005 PC, but I also have 8 GB of RAM. |
| 18:02.45 | gen0 | ye i know what card I got, but where should I get the drivers? |
| 18:02.47 | gen0 | Just from nvidia? |
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| 18:03.14 | yoh-r | depends on what card you have :) |
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| 18:03.28 | greycat | gen00: lspci -nn | grep VGA |
| 18:03.32 | greycat | err, too many zeros |
| 18:03.44 | gen0 | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GK110 [GeForce GTX 780] [10de:1004] (rev a1) |
| 18:03.51 | tomcres | CrazyTux: some people don't like the workflow. It's very different from most other desktops. |
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| 18:04.56 | greycat | gen0: that card is shown as being supported in jessie by the "version 367.44" driver on https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Debian_8_.22Jessie.22 |
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| 18:05.08 | greycat | I would follow the instructions there. |
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| 18:05.32 | CrazyTux | tomcres, ok. |
| 18:06.25 | gen0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:06.36 | gen0 | that's the answer when i try apt-get install -t jessie-backports nvidia-driver |
| 18:06.45 | greycat | You need to do apt-get update after editing sources.list. |
| 18:06.58 | ctc | Last time I mounted usb drives (one formatted fat32 and the other ntfs) and did ls -la, I saw all files had owner=rwx (can't really remember the rest of permissions). I think even samba does the same. Is this normal? Is it just the (in)famous map archive bit? |
| 18:07.14 | ctc | *even samba did the same |
| 18:07.16 | gen0 | I already go thoose configured but there seem to be some form of error |
| 18:07.23 | gen0 | W: Failed to fetch http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie-updates/InRelease Unable to find expected entry '>contrib/source/Sources' in Release file (Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file) |
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| 18:07.58 | greycat | Wait a couple minutes and try again. Sometimes the mirrors glitch. |
| 18:08.04 | CrazyTux | Does Debian Jessie work out of the box on this laptop? https://www.asus.com/Notebooks/X540LA/ |
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| 18:08.54 | gen0 | greycat: ok. I can just dl it from nvidia else right? |
| 18:09.05 | towo` | gen0, no |
| 18:09.06 | greycat | I would NOT attempt to use drivers from nvidia.com. |
| 18:09.16 | greycat | This is all extremely Debian-specific stuff. |
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| 18:09.22 | towo` | you would break your system and stay with a non supported system |
| 18:09.28 | gen0 | I understand |
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| 18:09.52 | greycat | If you can't get httpredir to work after a few tries, just pick a mirror yourself instead of trying to make httpredir do its job. |
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| 18:10.13 | tomcres | CrazyTux: nothing in the specs jumps out at me as being incompatible, but they're not specific about the WiFi or Bluetooth hardware. Those might be an issue. |
| 18:10.35 | gen0 | ye I think I fucked up something when I added the non free to the file |
| 18:10.35 | CrazyTux | tomcres, ok |
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| 18:10.39 | towo` | greycat, that is not the problem of gen0 |
| 18:10.50 | towo` | gen0, you have an error in your sources file |
| 18:11.02 | gen0 | when I open synaptic i get this error: |
| 18:11.02 | gen0 | W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie/main amd64 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/httpredir.debian.org_debian_dists_jessie_main_binary-amd64_Packages) |
| 18:11.02 | gen0 | W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates/main amd64 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_jessie_updates_main_binary-amd64_Packages) |
| 18:11.02 | gen0 | W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates/main amd64 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/httpredir.debian.org_debian_dists_jessie-updates_main_binary-amd64_Packages) |
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| 18:11.29 | cu865 | Anybody here have made multiple instances in CUPS of a single printer? i want to change print settings without rechanging from default for every print job. |
| 18:11.53 | cu865 | I am running debian unstable |
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| 18:13.06 | cu865 | I have read the docs in cups 2.2.1-5, but cannot find anything about this... |
| 18:13.34 | greycat | gen0: you'll definitely need to fix your sources.list before you can do anything else |
| 18:13.46 | gen0 | ye looks like i fucked up abit xD |
| 18:13.58 | gen0 | Could you please be so friendly and link me to what should be in it? |
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| 18:14.54 | greycat | !jessie sources.list |
| 18:14.55 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 18:15.03 | greycat | Add the jessie-backports line in addition to those. |
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| 18:15.23 | greycat | deb.debian.org is yet another service like httpredir... |
| 18:15.45 | ctc | Excuse me, last time I mounted usb drives (one formatted fat32 and the other ntfs) and did ls -la, I saw all files had owner=rwx (can't really remember the rest of permissions). I think even samba did the same. Is this normal? Is it just the (in)famous map archive bit? |
| 18:15.54 | tomcres | gen0: This is mine: http://paste.debian.net/909733 |
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| 18:16.39 | cu865 | my ethernet... |
| 18:17.48 | gen0 | there we go. thx guys. tom i copied yours and it looks like all good in da hood. |
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| 18:18.27 | tomcres | ctc normal |
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| 18:19.42 | gen0 | looks like I can install nvidia now (Y) omfg, back to 144hz |
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| 18:21.31 | ctc | Normal even on samba? |
| 18:22.48 | tomcres | ctc: don't know about samba. I don't use it. sorry. but it's normal for disk mounts |
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| 18:23.41 | ctc | Can removing the x bit have consequences? I tried once and was still able to read/modify the files... |
| 18:24.22 | zykotick9 | ctc: you can't actually change the POSIX permissions while it's on a FAT/NTFS filesystem... just sayin' |
| 18:26.15 | ctc | kang00: what? |
| 18:26.17 | tomcres | ctc: it will remove the ability to execute a file or traverse a directory, but won't be persistent. once you unmount, those changes will be gone. |
| 18:26.35 | kang00 | ctc need some help about confusion |
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| 18:26.39 | kang00 | In Windows terms |
| 18:27.00 | kang00 | zykotick9 what's file system |
| 18:27.03 | gen0 | awesome, looks like it went smooth to download drivers for nvidia. Is there any form of program to controll the card like in windows? |
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| 18:27.33 | ctc | kang00: with all respect, but if you're observing I'm also asking stuff (which is seemingly basic). What made you think I'm half expert? |
| 18:27.40 | zykotick9 | kang00: ask ctc... |
| 18:27.49 | tomcres | gen0: yes there is |
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| 18:28.08 | tomcres | ,i nvidia-settings |
| 18:28.09 | judd | Package nvidia-settings (contrib/x11, optional) in jessie/amd64: tool for configuring the NVIDIA graphics driver. Version: 340.46-2; Size: 703.4k; Installed: 1827k; Homepage: ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/nvidia-settings/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/nvidia-settings |
| 18:28.41 | ctc | kang00, zykotick9: with all respect, but if you're observing I'm also asking stuff (which is seemingly basic). What made you think I'm half expert? |
| 18:29.04 | kang00 | Just random target |
| 18:29.08 | gen0 | I wish to download from synaptic |
| 18:29.32 | tomcres | gen0: it should be there. search for 'nvidia-settings' |
| 18:30.00 | gen0 | aah it camed together with the DL I did |
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| 18:30.07 | gen0 | ^ |
| 18:30.28 | gen0 | gotta restart pc tho. brb. |
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| 18:31.02 | ctc | greycat: if possible, I'd wish to softly report kang00 |
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| 18:32.26 | kang00 | ctc you are soft target |
| 18:32.50 | ctc | What does that mean? |
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| 18:34.38 | greycat | If he's bothering you in /msg just /ignore him. |
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| 18:35.00 | JT|work | heston: was it you I talked to about the failing drive yesterday? |
| 18:35.08 | JT|work | oops |
| 18:35.11 | n4dir | during the soft freeze soft targets are good. |
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| 18:37.25 | ctc | greycat: what does "soft target" mean? |
| 18:37.41 | greycat | I neither know nor care. Just /ignore him if he bothers you. |
| 18:38.51 | MaxLanar | Hello, do you know a CLI tool that interfaces with Debian's menu system (like this one https://packages.debian.org/jessie/pdmenu but with X programs too) ? |
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| 18:45.22 | awal1 | MaxLanar, I think pdmenu is the only one |
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| 18:46.29 | awal1 | but 'menu' is like going to die, probably, since it doesn't parse .desktop file right now |
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| 18:47.01 | awal1 | for stretch, it will be like non utile |
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| 18:48.02 | awal1 | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=815184 |
| 18:48.03 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/815184 in menu (open): «Interop with *.desktop entries»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-02-19; last modified: 2016-02-19. |
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| 18:54.16 | MaxLanar | awal1: ok, thanks. What will be the succesor to menu then ? (I just discovered menu some minutes ago, but it seems it is the wm-independant debian way to sort programs. Maybe it exists other tools kinda doing the same thing their own way ? ) |
| 18:55.26 | awal1 | MaxLanar, there isn't another pkg like menu |
| 18:55.41 | awal1 | which DE/WM are you running? |
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| 18:57.30 | MaxLanar | awal1: openbox |
| 18:57.50 | awal1 | well, under jessie all fine. for stretch, many wm's will have almost an empty menu, since 'menu' doesn't parse .desktop files |
| 18:59.01 | awal1 | MaxLanar, I also run openbox. via openbox-menu you get a nice menu, almost complete, minus X utilities, pointing it to lxde-applications.menu or gnome-applications.menu |
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| 18:59.59 | awal1 | I guess that's what you are using yet? |
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| 19:01.52 | MaxLanar | awal1: In fact the thing is : I have a new computer, the old one is connected to my local network, I now access it over ssh (I use it as a home server now). I just wanted to comfortably browse (= by category) the programs installed there in order to remind me what I need to install on the new one |
| 19:01.54 | awal1 | so via 'menu' you get X stuff & via 'openbox-menu' you get alll the apps providing .desktop files |
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| 19:03.21 | verumnost | has anyone been using taskwarrior or org-mode ? |
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| 19:04.16 | awal1 | MaxLanar, just add this line to your openbox 'menu.xml' <menu execute="/usr/bin/openbox-menu gnome-applications.menu" id="desktop-app-menu" label="Applications"/> and reconfigure openbox. you will get a nice menu |
| 19:04.34 | awal1 | use lxde-applications.menu instead of gnome if you prefer |
| 19:04.56 | MaxLanar | verumnost: org-mode is great ! |
| 19:05.31 | verumnost | MaxLanar: how hard is it to learn ? |
| 19:05.58 | Iridos | verumnost, apparently⦠runnint it, I have a lot of tasks that are 4.3 years old ^ ^ |
| 19:06.02 | Iridos | running* |
| 19:06.12 | verumnost | Iridos: you're kidding ? |
| 19:06.24 | Iridos | sorry to say it, but no |
| 19:06.26 | verumnost | Iridos: you've been using it for 4,3 years ? |
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| 19:06.32 | awal1 | MaxLanar, well, you must install 'gnome-menus' and 'lxmenu-data' first |
| 19:06.37 | Iridos | I've *not* been using it for 4.3 years |
| 19:06.43 | verumnost | ahh ok |
| 19:06.50 | verumnost | what made you change your mind ? |
| 19:07.01 | RajRajRaj | Gotta admit |
| 19:07.07 | Iridos | apparently it was easy enough for me to enter stuffâ¦â¦ but hard for me to keep maintaining a todo list ^ ^ |
| 19:07.19 | MaxLanar | awal1: ok, thanks for your help |
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| 19:07.39 | Iridos | now⦠don't ask how many of those tasks are still a todo ^ ^ |
| 19:07.40 | RajRajRaj | Debian has too many packages |
| 19:07.45 | RajRajRaj | Old ones |
| 19:07.53 | MaxLanar | verumnost: org-mode is very easy to learn |
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| 19:08.23 | MaxLanar | verumnost: the hard part is learning emacs :) |
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| 19:08.44 | RajRajRaj | The boring part |
| 19:08.49 | RajRajRaj | Not hard |
| 19:08.52 | Iridos | I think taskwarrior was easy enough to *learn* n |
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| 19:09.28 | RoyK | just uses vim https://xkcd.com/378/ |
| 19:09.31 | Iridos | it's very satisfying to see, that the command that I used to enter a task is still in my .bash_history |
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| 19:09.53 | RajRajRaj | notepad |
| 19:10.00 | RajRajRaj | Best ^ |
| 19:10.07 | RoyK | heh |
| 19:10.08 | greycat | !start an editor war |
| 19:10.09 | dpkg | joe users can't think straight. |
| 19:10.16 | Iridos | true! |
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| 19:10.44 | MaxLanar | verumnost: this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getting_Things_Done + org-mode and you can accomplish anything ! ;) |
| 19:10.48 | tomcres | lol joe was the first editor I used regularlyâ¦back on Slackware 1.0 :-) |
| 19:11.17 | RajRajRaj | Gedit |
| 19:11.27 | Iridos | MaxLanar, as long as the "anything" you want to accomplish is writing todo-lists? :-} |
| 19:12.13 | MaxLanar | Iridos: hahaha :) |
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| 19:15.32 | MaxLanar | Iridos: In fact I use org-mode every-day for very different things in my life, and I don't know how I can live without it now. It's a wonderful tool, it help me to think clearly and to get organized in a way no other tools (afaik) provide. |
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| 19:16.13 | Iridos | MaxLanar, it's not installed here⦠but I thought I remembered I also tried that 4 years ago ⦠|
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| 19:17.15 | Iridos | but maybe I found it too complicated |
| 19:17.18 | oldtopman | This is going to sound kind of silly, but does anyone have pictures of Debian 8 (Jesse)? |
| 19:17.48 | Pavr | did you try google image search ? |
| 19:17.51 | RickHull | Hi, I am having issues with suspend on stretch on an older laptop. when I shut the lid, it attempts to suspend, but something fails and the machine gets very hot. |
| 19:17.55 | tomcres | oldtopman: pictures? It can look like anything depending on what desktop environment, window manager, etc. you're using |
| 19:18.01 | Iridos | MaxLanar, I do remember reading one of those ("the"??) getting-things-done books back then⦠but I couldn't really keep it up in practice⦠how did you manage that |
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| 19:18.16 | RickHull | when i open the lid, the UI is totally frozen. hardware keys like radio disable are not functional |
| 19:18.29 | Pavr | oh i thought you meant the character from toystory :| |
| 19:18.33 | oldtopman | Pavr: I can't tell which version is which, which is why I feel kind of silly for asking it |
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| 19:19.16 | Pavr | oldtopman, you would need to lookup the Desktop environment you intend to run. |
| 19:19.16 | oldtopman | tomcres: Just looking for the default install/wm |
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| 19:19.45 | RickHull | oldtopman: what are you actually trying to do? you can determine the version other than by looking at the desktop UI |
| 19:19.46 | Iridos | oldtopman, you do " cat /etc/debian_version " and then hopefully you know |
| 19:19.58 | tomcres | The default install is a console if you don't choose a desktop environment. |
| 19:20.16 | oldtopman | tomcres: It doesn't ship a DE by default anymore? |
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| 19:20.24 | plantfood | nope |
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| 19:20.46 | plantfood | you get the option to download one, during setup, though |
| 19:20.53 | tomcres | oldtopman: GNOME comes on CD #1, but nothing is preselected in the install. It's all up to the user. |
| 19:20.54 | Iridos | oldtopman, the term "default" doesn't have much meaning for debian⦠you are asked things while installing |
| 19:20.56 | RickHull | does anyone have some pointers for debugging suspend / hibernate? in particular, it seems very unique that my machine gets very hot when attempting to suspend |
| 19:21.07 | oldtopman | Iridos: So what's on the DVD then? |
| 19:21.26 | oldtopman | I've never used the netinst, since the home-internet is so slow lol |
| 19:21.38 | Iridos | dpkg, dvd contents |
| 19:21.38 | dpkg | To find out which CD or DVD image contains a particular package or source file, use the search engine at http://cdimage-search.debian.org/ . To see what a specific image contains, examine the package lists within the list-{cd,dvd} subdirectories for the relevant architecture at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ (e.g. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/list-cd/). |
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| 19:21.41 | RickHull | you're going to download the packages one way or another |
| 19:21.47 | Iridos | oldtopman, a lot of stuff? |
| 19:21.55 | RickHull | unless someone is mailing you discs or w/e |
| 19:22.12 | greycat | or unless you're installing onto multiple machines |
| 19:22.13 | Iridos | oldtopman, see the factoid above⦠|
| 19:22.29 | oldtopman | hrm |
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| 19:22.32 | MaxLanar | Iridos: there is only one (official) GTD book I think. I didn't finish it yet :). But the advice there are not so hard to follow imo. The more you follow them and the more it is easy to follow them... I just have to be serious in the beginning |
| 19:22.33 | tomcres | !tell rickhull about debian-next |
| 19:23.06 | MaxLanar | s/I just/You just/ |
| 19:23.31 | Iridos | MaxLanar, I felt pretty serious about it 4 years ago ^ ^ and see where I am ⦠but we should move that to #debian-offtopic , we're getting off the /topic |
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| 19:26.19 | Iridos | RickHull, /msg dpkg suspend troubleshooting <-- the link in that factoid used to be the thing⦠but it's not been updated since 2011⦠if you find things to be outdated, would be good to correct the factoid |
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| 19:27.37 | RickHull | Iridos: thanks, I found some other links too. reviewing |
| 19:28.31 | gen0 | Hey guys. I fixed my drivers for my video card but debian jessie with gnome enviroment seems like it stil laggs.. wtf is this. What is the most used component this system uses? |
| 19:29.03 | Iridos | (and seems I haven't wanted to debug hibernate since⦠well, since when that factoid was somewhat fresh and still valid) |
| 19:29.24 | zykotick9 | dpkg: tell gen0 about why nvidia installer sucks |
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| 19:29.49 | gen0 | I installed nvidia drivers via debian |
| 19:29.55 | gen0 | not threw nvidia |
| 19:30.24 | RickHull | here is some detail, looks like systemd / wpa_supplicant failure: http://paste.debian.net/909745/ |
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| 19:32.55 | unborn | gen0: you may have luck with installing nvidia crap drivers.. I was stuck with quadro graphics on my laptop.. i7 39 gigs ram or whatever - I use it as my home server now.. coz drivers crap issues.. not even able to install from back ports.. so I did changed my laptop - that worked.. however some drivers in debian specially about nvidia - are so poorly handled that I would suggest you to not even try. if that is ....xxx 390 or xxx....390 legacy. |
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| 19:33.06 | unborn | its just shit |
| 19:33.48 | greycat | 13:03 gen0> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GK110 [GeForce GTX 780] [10de:1004] (rev a1) |
| 19:34.08 | greycat | (For context. I have no idea whether this is a good card or a bad card, how well it works with GNOME, etc.) |
| 19:34.23 | gen0 | Maybe your card is not supported? Mine was and the installation went totally smooth, but I stil feel laggs.. I mean i got 16gb ram and gtx780 with i5-2500k cpu. The cpu is kinda old but it's stil a great cpu. it's imo a totally ok pc and should handle this fast as fuck. |
| 19:34.35 | unborn | ....yeah good luck :) |
| 19:34.45 | RickHull | ugh, this looks like some inherent race condition in wpasupplicant that is being hacked around in systemd https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=835648 |
| 19:34.46 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/835648 in wpasupplicant (open): «wpasupplicant: suspend takes very long due to problematic system-sleep hook»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-08-27; last modified: 2017-01-08. |
| 19:35.06 | gen0 | It's kinda old card but it's like same as 1060 today. |
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| 19:35.16 | gen0 | Maybe I'll try with 950 and see if that makes a difference |
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| 19:38.27 | RickHull | gen0: i think it's just gnome. i'm running openbox + compton on an old core2duo laptop with motherboard graphics and it flies, smooth as butter |
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| 19:39.46 | RickHull | btw, thanks to those in here who recommended I play with openbox a few days ago |
| 19:39.50 | greycat | If you installed the nvidia stuff through jessie-backports using the wiki's instructions, and if you verified that you have whatever glx stuff properly working, and it's still not doing what you want, then you can either try a different window manager, or a different graphics card. |
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| 19:40.19 | unborn | 1+ RickHull |
| 19:40.25 | RickHull | i spent 3 days tweaking it with compton, conky, and tint2. super happy with the result so far (now dealing with suspend crap) |
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| 19:40.45 | TomTomTo1 | gen0: did you install the 340 driver from jessie or the 375 driver from jessie-backports? |
| 19:41.18 | unborn | gen0: ... i told you ... no way to even try it. |
| 19:41.20 | gen0 | not sure, i think 375? |
| 19:41.23 | gen0 | xD |
| 19:41.28 | tomcres | gen0: if you `lsmod|grep nouveau` does it show anything? |
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| 19:41.31 | plantfood | how secure is openbox nowadays ? because it's had no active development for two years - https://github.com/danakj/openbox |
| 19:41.42 | gen0 | dpkg told me everything went great |
| 19:41.42 | dpkg | no idea, gen0 |
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| 19:41.53 | greycat | "secure" is not a word I usually associate with window manager questions |
| 19:41.54 | TomTomTo1 | gen0: verify. dpkg -l | grep nvidia-kernel-dkms |
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| 19:42.13 | greycat | What exactly are you trying to "secure" your window manager against? |
| 19:42.13 | gen0 | 375 |
| 19:42.14 | RickHull | here are some of my openbox screenshots: https://github.com/rickhull/rickhull.github.io/tree/master/openbox_setup |
| 19:42.19 | gen0 | is dpkg some form of AI? |
| 19:42.34 | gen0 | not AI but not human either |
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| 19:42.48 | plantfood | greycat: not sure ! |
| 19:42.51 | greycat | The dpkg in this channel is a bot. |
| 19:42.52 | RickHull | and how I got there: https://github.com/rickhull/public/tree/master/homedir/.config |
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| 19:43.44 | RickHull | dpkg is Answering Involuntarily |
| 19:43.45 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, RickHull |
| 19:43.56 | RickHull | !botsnack |
| 19:43.56 | dpkg | :), RickHull |
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| 21:17.34 | harovali | hi, I've mounted debian iso in a directory with -o loop. Now I'm trying to get right two things: (a) where to put the "root" of the http server (via python -mSimpleHTTPServer ) , and (b) which url to put in "cdebootstrap --arch i386 stable target/ http://localhost:8000/ . |
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| 21:19.38 | ompaul | harovali: what is your objective |
| 21:20.00 | dontknow | how will donald trump's presidency affect debian? |
| 21:20.16 | Pavr | dontknow |
| 21:20.30 | harovali | ompaul: i need a specific legacy debian version, to which I'll chroot. |
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| 21:22.42 | somiaj | dontknow: That is off topic, just wait and see. |
| 21:23.31 | ompaul | harovali: check out the old way https://debian-administration.org/article/426/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
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| 21:24.44 | harovali | ompaul: thank you |
| 21:25.38 | ompaul | harovali: yw |
| 21:26.15 | ompaul | dontknow: we need your pal cantknow in here to answer you correctly - and as somiaj pointed out it is offtopic |
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| 21:59.56 | harovali | ompaul: I think I got the paths and the urls right, however I'm getting an error about which some help would be very welcome. Issueing "cdebootstrap -v -d --debug --allow-unauthenticated stable dir01/ http://localhost:8000/" , cdebootstrap acknowledges the Release file found , but adds that it is unknown (D: Use suite woody |
| 21:59.56 | harovali | E: Unknown suite woody). |
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| 22:02.17 | greycat | Do you have to point it at an archive server that actually has woody? |
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| 22:02.37 | greycat | I have no idea how to debootstrap such an old thing. |
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| 22:06.35 | jrtc27 | greycat: archive.debian.net |
| 22:07.11 | greycat | Right, but... I didn't see harovali mention that in his question. |
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| 22:10.09 | Artox | \o |
| 22:10.22 | Artox | I have some trouble with ipv6 on my jessie system and am looking for some advice |
| 22:10.50 | Artox | I have in interfaces file both iface eth0 inet dhcp and inet6 dhcp |
| 22:10.59 | Artox | ifconfig shows I get v4 and v6 IPs |
| 22:11.07 | Artox | v6 both a link-local and a public one |
| 22:11.20 | Artox | but whenever I try to ping6 anything I get error message that network is unreachable |
| 22:11.49 | Dagger | no default route, then? (in `ip -6 route`) |
| 22:12.13 | Artox | Dagger : 2a02:810b:c740:41dc::/64 dev eth0 proto kernel metric 256 |
| 22:12.13 | Artox | fe80::/64 dev eth0 proto kernel metric 256 |
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| 22:12.25 | Artox | I am not fully sure I understand that output |
| 22:12.47 | Dagger | so no, then |
| 22:12.50 | Artox | apparently it has a route for link-local |
| 22:12.57 | Artox | or do I read that wrong |
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| 22:13.41 | Dagger | first line is "do NDP on eth0 for dest IPs in 2a02:810b:c740:41dc::/64", second line is "do NDP on eth0 for dest IPs in fe80::/64" |
| 22:13.54 | Artox | and /64 applies it is just 1 address? |
| 22:14.17 | Artox | oh wait, ipv6 has 128 bits |
| 22:14.18 | Artox | so no |
| 22:14.30 | Artox | so I am missing sth like ::/0 |
| 22:14.30 | Artox | > |
| 22:14.38 | Dagger | right |
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| 22:15.01 | Artox | any hints on how I could get that? |
| 22:15.04 | Dagger | the default route is autoconfigured from RAs, which are accepted by default normally, but if you have net.ipv6.conf.*.forwarding=1 then you need to set net.ipv6.conf.*.accept_ra=2 |
| 22:15.17 | Artox | let me check |
| 22:15.55 | Artox | I indeed have ipv6 forwarding enabled |
| 22:16.11 | Artox | and net.ipv6.conf.all.accept_ra = 1 |
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| 22:16.47 | Artox | I will try setting it to 2 then |
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| 22:21.59 | Artox | Dagger : got a pin6 to work. Thanks a lot! Doing a reboot now to validate my sysctl.conf |
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| 22:27.23 | Chrismeister | Hello, I want to develop a application that record the screen. Currently I access the screen with 'xwd -root | convert - screen.png' but it's not very effective. I hope to record around 60 images per second - with xwd I get at most 10 fps. Does anyone have any suggestions for a more effective solution? |
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| 22:34.04 | teraflops | Chrismeister: what's wrong with ffmpeg or gstreamer? |
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| 22:34.37 | Chrismeister | teraflops: I'm developing a html-based stream. |
| 22:34.42 | Chrismeister | check it out here |
| 22:34.42 | Chrismeister | http://81.170.220.157/ |
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| 22:35.37 | Chrismeister | teraflops: thus, i record individual images that I store on on a RAM-filesystem that web-clients access |
| 22:36.20 | Chrismeister | i would like to make the screen-capture more effective. Maybe by developing something on my own, but I don't know where to look |
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| 22:37.57 | teraflops | Chrismeister: ok. no idea. |
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| 22:42.18 | n4dir | scrot is another screencapture program. Shooting wild ideas a while loop with xwd or scrot to background & might be an idea? |
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| 22:42.52 | n4dir | to put it different, make the next shot before the former one finished. Not really a clue if putting to background is the right thing for that |
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| 22:43.16 | ZJAY | can i insatll a .pdf file or .eps file as a font? |
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| 22:45.20 | Chrismeister | n4dir: Oh, I will check scrot out! |
| 22:45.23 | Chrismeister | thank you |
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| 22:45.44 | n4dir | i checked the manpage, but it tells me (!) nothing about a solution for your problem |
| 22:46.26 | Chrismeister | debian documentation tells scrot is able to directly save as png. Maybe it's more effective than my 'xwd -root | convert - screen.png' solution. |
| 22:47.00 | Chrismeister | It's my only issue right now: 'xwd -root | convert - screen.png' is not fast enough for a smooth stream |
| 22:47.04 | n4dir | Chrismeister: i forgot the name and had to search: shutter had some funny stuff in it. |
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| 22:47.44 | n4dir | save to png seems to be the default, i made a shot to test |
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| 22:48.41 | Chrismeister | n4dir: okey, i'll try them both |
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| 22:48.55 | n4dir | good luck |
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| 22:49.08 | Chrismeister | thank you! |
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| 22:49.28 | n4dir | scrot and shutter are pretty much at the opposite end of the spectrum :-) (minimal against overbloat) |
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| 22:50.07 | Chrismeister | n4dir: I guess I need minimal! |
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| 22:50.34 | n4dir | yeah. shutter is more something funny. but has features. |
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| 22:51.28 | teraflops | Chrismeister: I'm curious, if your application kind of a live streaming system? |
| 22:51.49 | Chrismeister | teraflops: Yeah, It streams the screen over HTTP |
| 22:52.02 | Chrismeister | I hope that the end product will be more than 10 fps though |
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| 22:52.40 | teraflops | I still don's see how is that better than using ffmpeg or gstreamer, ffmepg has e.g built-in stream features |
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| 22:52.58 | ZJAY | can I install a .eps or .pdf font style image as a font? |
| 22:54.12 | teraflops | Chrismeister: perhaps I'm missing your goal, just wondering, not trying to criticize |
| 22:55.08 | Chrismeister | teraflops: No worries - I like to build my own stuff. I appreciate all comments i can get. i will check ffmepg out. |
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| 23:00.50 | Chrismeister | n4dir: scrot was so much more effective! Thank you for the suggestion. |
| 23:01.07 | n4dir | ah, cool. glad that it helped |
| 23:01.49 | velix | Debian seems to be buggy? http://dpaste.com/1QH7JNF.txt |
| 23:01.52 | velix | APT* |
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| 23:03.07 | towo` | velix, i don't see a bug in your paste |
| 23:03.24 | missmbob | velix: looks good |
| 23:03.27 | velix | towo`: read first and last line |
| 23:03.32 | towo` | i have |
| 23:03.37 | velix | I want a cheesseburger. Okay, you'll get a pizza. |
| 23:03.38 | towo` | again, there is no bug |
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| 23:04.08 | missmbob | velix: it's not at all like what you just said |
| 23:04.27 | velix | missmbob: apt-get source postgresql-9.6-postgis-2.3 => I want the source of ostgresql-9.6-postgis-2.3 |
| 23:04.42 | velix | 'postgis' is postgis 2.1 |
| 23:04.54 | missmbob | velix: yes. |
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| 23:06.28 | missmbob | towo`: think it sunk in yet? |
| 23:07.18 | towo` | maybe |
| 23:07.43 | velix | Sorry, I don't understand this. |
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| 23:08.17 | rpifan | i need to mount a vfat drive and give it permission of 0770, i have made changes in the fstab but it still mounts with persion of 0775, what can i do to get it to work right |
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| 23:08.29 | towo` | velix, then read the debian/control of that source |
| 23:08.52 | towo` | velix, then you see, which binary packages will build from that source |
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| 23:09.36 | missmbob | velix: take a look at https://packages.debian.org/sid/postgresql-9.6-postgis-2.3 |
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| 23:09.51 | missmbob | velix: see on the top left where it says "Source: postgis" ? |
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| 23:42.47 | sawk | does someone using GNOME 3 ? |
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| 23:42.59 | sawk | use* |
| 23:43.24 | mtn | !ask |
| 23:43.25 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 23:43.36 | Weeezy | lot's of people use it. |
| 23:43.41 | Weeezy | what's your question ? |
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| 23:46.03 | sawk | I've a problem with network-manager in GNOME 3. I'm running Debian 9, with GNOME 3. In the network manager setup, it's possible to specify the wired configuration, which is basically IP + NETMASK + DEFAULT ROUTE. The Default Route is locked and it must be provided. But this is a problem, since it overrides existing default routes in my network, causing disconnections |
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| 23:46.36 | SuperTramp83 | sawk, ask and it shall be given you :) |
| 23:47.07 | sawk | Is there a way to avoid setting up the default route? |
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| 23:47.26 | sawk | since it's conflicting with the WIFI default route.. |
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| 23:50.34 | sawk | damn, ifconfig is so easy...why network-manager...why |
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| 23:58.16 | missmbob | ifconfig is deprecated so you should stop using it btw |
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| 23:59.32 | n4dir | what would be the up-to-date solution? |
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| 23:59.49 | missmbob | iproute2 (ip command) |
| 23:59.54 | n4dir | thanks |