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| 00:14.00 | plujon | ,chromium |
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| 00:14.57 | bazhang | ,v chromium-browser |
| 00:14.58 | judd | Package: chromium-browser on amd64 -- wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1 |
| 00:15.18 | x032cx | ,v chromium |
| 00:15.19 | judd | Package: chromium on amd64 -- wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie: 55.0.2883.75-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 55.0.2883.75-1~deb8u1; stretch: 55.0.2883.75-3; sid: 55.0.2883.75-6 |
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| 00:25.29 | plujon | Ah, thanks! |
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| 00:27.07 | plujon | I realize Wheezy is "obsolete", but can users on Wheezy successfully install Chromium-38 from snapshots.debian.org? |
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| 00:27.58 | TomTomTo1 | plujon: yes |
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| 00:28.26 | TomTomTo1 | plujon: ah, wait. i take that back. wheezy is < chromium 38 |
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| 00:31.35 | TomTomTo1 | chances are that you can build chromium 38 from source by including a deb-src line for snapshot.debian.org |
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| 00:45.10 | beboop | hi I'm trying to install debian stable on my Thinkpad 13, but the installer doesn't even attempt to detect wifi hardware |
| 00:46.11 | TomTomTo1 | !firmware image |
| 00:46.12 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
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| 00:47.39 | beboop | I've been trying the non free firmware image as well |
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| 00:48.18 | TomTomTo1 | do you know which chipset you have? |
| 00:48.29 | e-vent | Anyone know why when I am doing an upgrade from wheezy to jessie apt-get dist-upgrade is causing a read only file system |
| 00:48.35 | e-vent | and a loss of all commands |
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| 00:49.09 | beboop | TomTomTo1 I forget. Let me check |
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| 00:49.57 | beboop | Intel 8260 |
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| 00:53.32 | beboop | I have Fedora running on it right now and it's using the iwlwifi driver which I'm pretty sure is in the non-free firmware image |
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| 00:54.34 | TomTomTo1 | it is. but i think you need the one in jessie-backports. |
| 00:55.34 | TomTomTo1 | can you connect using ethernet and load the backports kernel and iwlwifi after the installation? |
| 00:55.46 | beboop | The laptop has no ethernet port :/ |
| 00:57.19 | TomTomTo1 | you can also download the packages from packages.debian.org and transfer them on removable media. |
| 00:57.39 | e-vent | It's done it again |
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| 00:57.53 | e-vent | dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/gzip_1.6-4_armhf.deb (--unpack): |
| 00:57.53 | e-vent | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:57.53 | dpkg | e-vent: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 00:58.00 | bazhang | sneakernet |
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| 00:58.35 | klys | there should be an easier way of doing sneakernet downloads |
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| 00:59.10 | klys | I've had to do it how many times, and always I have to browse pdo or something to calculate the deps |
| 00:59.15 | bazhang | ,v aptoncd |
| 00:59.16 | judd | Package: aptoncd on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.1.98+bzr117-1.2; sid: 0.1.98+bzr117-1.4; jessie: 0.1.98+bzr117-1.4 |
| 00:59.23 | toruvinn | e-vent, are you sure it's dist-upgrade's fault, it wasn't a problem with your filesystem and you dont have errors=remount-ro set? |
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| 00:59.59 | toruvinn | e-vent, dmesg usually says something about that. |
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| 01:00.44 | e-vent | I'd have to check |
| 01:01.12 | e-vent | cannot check dmesg as the command is no longer found |
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| 01:01.43 | klys | what I want is an apt-get command that works with an alternate root |
| 01:01.45 | e-vent | Not sure why the raspian devs would make it read only on error |
| 01:01.47 | TomTomTo1 | klys: you can use something like aptitude --download-only and then copy the packages from the apt cache, but you would need a second debian system for that. |
| 01:02.11 | beboop | TomTomTo1 so do I just replace the iwlwifi from the extracted firmware.tar.gz? |
| 01:02.30 | klys | tomtomto1, i mean something that would install the base system beginning with libc6 / glibc |
| 01:02.47 | klys | into an empty directory |
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| 01:03.10 | TomTomTo1 | beboop: you finish the install, transfer the packages to your freshly installed system and install them. |
| 01:03.38 | TomTomTo1 | beboop: you would need the kernel from jessie-backports, its dependencies and firmware-iwlwifi |
| 01:03.38 | e-vent | fstab doesnt show it mounting as -ro |
| 01:04.07 | TomTomTo1 | klys: debootstrap? |
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| 01:04.55 | beboop | TomTomTo1: Oh okay. I'll try that. Thank you very much |
| 01:05.06 | TomTomTo1 | good luck |
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| 01:06.10 | klys | tomtomto1, doesn't look like debootstrap has a --download-only equivalent. |
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| 01:06.33 | e-vent | fyi , it is doing it on normal apt-get upgrade |
| 01:07.24 | klys | e-vent, check mtab instead |
| 01:07.57 | e-vent | mtab? |
| 01:08.12 | klys | it's usually a symlink to /proc/mounts iirc |
| 01:08.12 | e-vent | Yup |
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| 01:08.18 | e-vent | it just instantly did the same thing again |
| 01:08.23 | e-vent | installing gzip |
| 01:08.31 | e-vent | read only file system |
| 01:08.46 | klys | check dmesg for the remount message |
| 01:08.48 | e-vent | dmesg = -bash: /bin/dmesg: No such file or directory |
| 01:09.00 | e-vent | ls command not found |
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| 01:09.17 | klys | you need another partition then |
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| 01:09.40 | e-vent | cat not found |
| 01:09.53 | e-vent | Why do I need another partition? |
| 01:09.55 | klys | have you got a spare usb thing |
| 01:09.57 | e-vent | Just for error messages? |
| 01:10.27 | e-vent | Wouldn't a syslog pipe make more sense |
| 01:10.48 | klys | looks like you have to install another system so you can fsck |
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| 01:11.23 | e-vent | Well that isn't happening on a raspberry pi |
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| 01:11.52 | e-vent | Not sure what the point of a file system check is |
| 01:11.54 | e-vent | clearly |
| 01:12.02 | e-vent | something updating is causing the issue |
| 01:12.07 | klys | then pull and fsck on another linux system |
| 01:12.17 | e-vent | Can't pull it |
| 01:12.20 | e-vent | its in a junction box |
| 01:12.26 | klys | o |
| 01:12.52 | klys | you need a usb hub? iirc, r.ppi has two usb ports |
| 01:13.08 | e-vent | It's in a mains connected junction box |
| 01:13.11 | e-vent | If I can avoid it |
| 01:13.16 | e-vent | I do not want to open it |
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| 01:14.26 | klys | i would anticipate operating read-only moving ahead |
| 01:14.35 | e-vent | its not |
| 01:14.39 | e-vent | every reboot it is fine |
| 01:14.43 | e-vent | until I update |
| 01:14.54 | e-vent | a few updates get past then it goes RO |
| 01:15.21 | klys | you've got some kind of problem there either it isn't running fsck or the media has another problem |
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| 01:19.26 | e-vent | Think is might be related to slight overvolting |
| 01:19.28 | e-vent | we shall see |
| 01:19.36 | e-vent | I've had to adjust the power supply |
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| 01:22.52 | e-vent | Overvolting is the national bloody grids' fault |
| 01:22.57 | e-vent | overdriving the local network |
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| 01:24.03 | e-vent | gzip has now installed |
| 01:24.18 | e-vent | and it has now died on the next update |
| 01:24.19 | e-vent | wtf |
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| 01:26.54 | e-vent | Anyway |
| 01:26.59 | e-vent | even with a read only file system |
| 01:27.03 | e-vent | why are all my commands broken? |
| 01:27.34 | klys | because the libraries didn't unpack? |
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| 01:27.53 | e-vent | no no |
| 01:27.55 | e-vent | all commands |
| 01:28.03 | e-vent | ls cat reboot |
| 01:28.05 | e-vent | everything |
| 01:28.07 | klys | yeah, all commands need libraries |
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| 01:28.12 | e-vent | And? |
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| 01:28.22 | klys | and that would break them easily |
| 01:28.23 | e-vent | Those libraries are not being updated |
| 01:28.31 | klys | oh |
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| 01:31.00 | ghormoon | hi, do I need anything specific to make lacp interface with default gateway? if I restart netowrking, even if there is "gateway x.y.z.a" I don't get route throught it. config: http://pastebin.com/N2uZ6ufC |
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| 01:38.59 | ghormoon | another stange thin is that it has the /24 route, but I can't ssh to it until I add the default route |
| 01:39.31 | ghormoon | nvm, just realized the laptop might be in different subnet now, my bad :) |
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| 01:39.47 | ghormoon | but still, why is the default route missing ... :( |
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| 01:40.19 | id10t | i'm playing with a DNS server for my LAN on Debian Jessie. the default bind9 config works as a caching server ... but there are no servers listed as forwarders in the named.conf.options file... what server(s) is my local instance going to then? |
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| 01:44.10 | e-vent | id10t, I assume your gateway's default DNS |
| 01:44.39 | toruvinn | e-vent, again, updating it may cause some corrupted file/directory to be read and hence causes remount,ro. |
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| 01:45.32 | id10t | e-vent: thats what i'm thinking, or perhaps whatever is in /etc/resolv.conf on the bind9 box... but you know what assuming does.. so I'd like ot find out for sure |
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| 01:48.32 | e-vent | toruvinn, odd |
| 01:50.30 | e-vent | there a way to force fsck on reboot |
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| 02:04.23 | e-vent | toruvinn, it just did it again |
| 02:04.28 | e-vent | with me watching dmesg |
| 02:04.33 | e-vent | No output to dmesg |
| 02:05.26 | e-vent | How do I fsck this POS on another PC? |
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| 02:28.40 | e-vent | Everytime it is this bloody package |
| 02:28.41 | e-vent | Unpacking libpam-modules:armhf (1.1.8-3.1+deb8u2) over (1.1.3-7.1) ... |
| 02:28.41 | e-vent | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg exited unexpectedly |
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| 02:43.35 | plzhlp | can anyone help with wifi on debian wheezy |
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| 02:53.31 | RickHull | what wifi chip? |
| 02:54.07 | RickHull | https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
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| 02:55.26 | plzhlp | nvm |
| 02:55.29 | plzhlp | fucking 3.2 |
| 02:55.33 | plzhlp | no driver for it |
| 02:55.36 | plzhlp | no anything for it |
| 02:55.50 | plzhlp | cant update cuz external hdd wont work with it to backup shit |
| 02:56.04 | plzhlp | gotta buy a hdd to swap in to save my data so i can finally update |
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| 02:57.31 | TomTomTo1 | wheezy-backports has kernel 3.16 |
| 02:58.34 | plzhlp | the drivers are for 4.1 4.2 |
| 02:58.43 | plzhlp | intel 7260 |
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| 02:59.40 | TomTomTo1 | the firmware-iwlwifi driver in wheezy-backports supports that chipset. |
| 02:59.58 | plzhlp | ah |
| 03:00.07 | plzhlp | i believe i already tried that lemme check |
| 03:01.13 | TomTomTo1 | i believe you need both the backports kernel and the driver. |
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| 03:01.33 | plzhlp | how do i get that kernel |
| 03:01.38 | plzhlp | thanks for help im kind of noob |
| 03:01.57 | plzhlp | i was learning to use linux pretty good but this computer has been sitting for over a year unused and i forgot a lot |
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| 03:02.59 | TomTomTo1 | if you don't have a working connection on that machine you can download the packages you need from packages.debian.org on another machine and transfer it using removable media. |
| 03:03.18 | plzhlp | i have wired on it |
| 03:03.27 | plzhlp | i need wifi so i dont have to sit on floor upstairs lol |
| 03:03.46 | TomTomTo1 | that makes it easier. https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 03:03.53 | plzhlp | ok thanks |
| 03:04.11 | plzhlp | if i can get this working it will be great |
| 03:04.26 | plzhlp | wife demands her laptop back to use at work and might murder me |
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| 03:05.10 | plzhlp | ok once i get these puppies installed should it find my intel stuff |
| 03:05.18 | plzhlp | because step 2 is install a package from backports |
| 03:05.51 | plzhlp | so would i do "install backports iwlwifi" |
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| 03:06.38 | TomTomTo1 | you will need the linux-image-amd64 package and firmware-iwlwifi from backports. assuming your system is amd64. |
| 03:06.54 | plzhlp | yes it is |
| 03:07.03 | TomTomTo1 | and that's apt-get install -t jessie-backports linux-image-amd64 firmware-iwlwifi |
| 03:07.20 | TomTomTo1 | eh, wheezy-backports, sorry. |
| 03:07.33 | plzhlp | wheezy f baby |
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| 03:09.47 | TomTomTo1 | both kernels stay installed. you will be able to choose in grub which one to start. |
| 03:11.59 | plzhlp | alright it is installing everything |
| 03:12.21 | plzhlp | so i restart and in boot menu select 3.16 or whatever right? |
| 03:12.33 | TomTomTo1 | yep |
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| 03:12.47 | plzhlp | alright here goes nothing |
| 03:12.57 | plzhlp | thanks a lot if it works cuz i wont be back |
| 03:13.05 | TomTomTo1 | good luck |
| 03:13.05 | plzhlp | cuz my legs about to numb to death sitting here on floor |
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| 03:16.57 | plzheck | heck |
| 03:17.10 | plzheck | so when its booting its gets a bunch of failure to load firmware |
| 03:17.18 | plzheck | including the iwlwifi |
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| 03:20.21 | TomTomTo1 | can you show me the output of lspci -nnk | grep -i network -A 2 |
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| 03:21.25 | plzheck | https://thepasteb.in/p/lOhO0NMPR7kfB |
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| 03:24.56 | TomTomTo1 | ,lspci [8086:08b1] |
| 03:25.11 | TomTomTo1 | ,pciid [8086:08b1] |
| 03:25.13 | judd | [8086:08b1] is 'Wireless 7260' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:08b1 |
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| 03:25.40 | Hello71 | I don't think that's right. |
| 03:26.33 | TomTomTo1 | no, i think those are some form of fallback outputs if the database is missing the entry. |
| 03:27.54 | hmuller | why would I miss having apt-extracttemplates on my system? |
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| 03:29.18 | plzheck | i might have to give up |
| 03:29.50 | plzheck | i will have to just buy a hdd swap it in so i can save my data and install jessie or ubuntu or something |
| 03:30.01 | plzheck | debian was working great i had everything set up really nice |
| 03:30.15 | plzheck | but cant get steam or wifi or external hdd to work |
| 03:31.00 | TomTomTo1 | wheezy is a bit outdated to use as a desktop. |
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| 03:31.34 | plzheck | sure is lol |
| 03:31.44 | plzheck | i got this all set up a bit before stable jessie came out |
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| 03:32.09 | plzheck | just dug out of garage so i can play my games duel screen and give wife laptop |
| 03:32.22 | plzheck | embarassingly trying to play runescape, 2 accounts at a time |
| 03:32.25 | plzheck | was pretty pumped |
| 03:32.40 | plzheck | if i can get that to work at least i might drag a couch up here |
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| 03:33.31 | plzheck | thanks for the help tho let me know if you think of anything |
| 03:33.50 | plzheck | i am gonna try a few more things before my leg literally loses all blood flow from floor sitting |
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| 03:34.31 | TomTomTo1 | no problem. good luck. |
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| 03:35.24 | plzheck | i wonder if walmart has an about 200ft ethernet cable |
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| 03:36.46 | TomTomTo1 | hmuller: that binary is part of the apt-utils package which should come with all normal debian systems. are you using the debian docker image? |
| 03:39.03 | hmuller | TomTomTo1: no, I was just wondering why I needed apt-utils, and that specifically. I refined my google search on the matter and discovered why it matters. |
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| 03:39.23 | TomTomTo1 | alright |
| 03:40.32 | hmuller | TomTomTo1: seems to me apt-utils should be a hard dependency on debconf, instead of recommended |
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| 03:47.21 | TomTomTo1 | hmuller: why do you think that? the debian policy describes Recommends as "declares a strong, but not absolute, dependency." recommends are automatically installed with the default apt configuration and both packagey have a high priority anyway, so the debian installer pulls them both. |
| 03:50.16 | hmuller | TomTomto1: based on what I read, debconf (which is required) can't do it's magic very will without apt-extracttemplates |
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| 03:59.40 | TomTomTo1 | maybe. but debconf specifically handles the case of apt-utils not being installed, so i suspect there is some reasoning to that. you could message the maintainer if you are curious. |
| 03:59.52 | TomTomTo1 | https://sources.debian.net/src/debconf/1.5.60/dpkg-preconfigure/?hl=130#L130 |
| 03:59.59 | TomTomTo1 | line 130 does the checking. |
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| 04:26.23 | XeonSquared | Erm |
| 04:26.41 | XeonSquared | https://my.mixtape.moe/yvpkrw.jpg So this is what happens when I try to boot from a Debian CD. |
| 04:26.57 | XeonSquared | Then it hangs. |
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| 04:33.00 | hmuller | TomTom1: sorry for delay, didn't see your reply. line 130 shows that it handles it by delaying configuration, with a normal exit |
| 04:33.02 | missmbob | XeonSquared: you actually burned a cd? |
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| 04:33.38 | XeonSquared | missmbob: yes? |
| 04:33.42 | missmbob | XeonSquared: i didnt know that could get fucked up. different arch? amrf instead of amd? |
| 04:33.54 | XeonSquared | i386 |
| 04:34.05 | missmbob | so 686 installer? |
| 04:34.14 | XeonSquared | I guess so |
| 04:34.21 | missmbob | well let's find out so |
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| 04:35.35 | XeonSquared | hash checks out |
| 04:35.41 | XeonSquared | i686 should support a Pentium II... |
| 04:35.47 | missmbob | exact name of iso |
| 04:35.48 | AlexLikeRock | XeonSquared, Memori RAM FAIL |
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| 04:36.12 | XeonSquared | debian-8.5.0-i386-netinst.iso |
| 04:36.22 | XeonSquared | AlexLikeRock: It booted Haiku fine |
| 04:36.40 | AlexLikeRock | do a memorie test |
| 04:36.54 | XeonSquared | I'll look into it |
| 04:36.57 | missmbob | it's an idea. dont know quite what else |
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| 04:38.44 | XeonSquared | Testing 384M RAM on a 350Mhz CPU won't be fun |
| 04:38.49 | starstuff | Will Debian 9 upgrade to the 51.x series of Firefox? |
| 04:38.57 | XeonSquared | I'll write it to a partition and see if I can make the Haiku bootloader look at it. |
| 04:39.25 | AlexLikeRock | starstuff, debian use FIREFOX-ESR |
| 04:39.40 | starstuff | AlexLikeRock: Yes, I know. |
| 04:39.52 | missmbob | starstuff: hard to say. i'd guess yes |
| 04:40.05 | AlexLikeRock | its no same like "firefox" |
| 04:40.05 | starstuff | when will the next esr be released? |
| 04:40.20 | starstuff | trying to phrase my question the right way |
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| 04:41.52 | somiaj | starstuff: mozilla.debian.net will most likely provide firefox-release (Current version) for stretch-backports |
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| 04:42.18 | somiaj | starstuff: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/faq/ |
| 04:43.22 | somiaj | starstuff: debian seccurity will use firefox-esr for security updates. So sometime in say May or after firefox esr 52.x will replace 45.x, and debian stretch will use that when a security concern in the current esr branch requires a fix, and the fix is upgarde the newest esr release. |
| 04:43.25 | starstuff | oh good. soon. March! |
| 04:43.34 | missmbob | 51 is in incomingg but it's not esr so. https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/45.3.0/releasenotes/ |
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| 04:43.52 | starstuff | new firefox esr in March |
| 04:43.55 | somiaj | debian wno't swithc over until after the qualitifying phase, mozilla has dropped support from esr 45.x and there is a security hole. |
| 04:44.15 | somiaj | that may be true, but there is a qualifing phase for bugs and debian only changes versions when they have too |
| 04:44.16 | starstuff | i'm using esr 45.x |
| 04:44.23 | starstuff | what do you mean mozilla dropped support for it? |
| 04:44.40 | AlexLikeRock | 45.6.0 ESR |
| 04:44.44 | somiaj | if you want a newer firefox, use firefox-release, which will be provided by mozilla.debian.net (for jessie, and eventaully for stretch) |
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| 04:44.54 | somiaj | you can get firefox-release for stretch right now using the sid package |
| 04:45.03 | starstuff | interesting |
| 04:45.13 | starstuff | what is "firefox-release" |
| 04:45.50 | starstuff | can I use that on Debian 9? |
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| 04:47.18 | starstuff | This page has no instructions on how to get current firefox releasehttps://wiki.debian.org/Firefox |
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| 04:48.16 | XeonSquared | Argh |
| 04:48.20 | XeonSquared | I don't trust the CD drive |
| 04:48.27 | XeonSquared | and I can't find any floppies |
| 04:48.38 | XeonSquared | the Haiku boot menu won't load memtest86+ either |
| 04:48.41 | XeonSquared | >.> |
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| 04:49.06 | missmbob | problem solved. goodwill! |
| 04:49.21 | XeonSquared | but |
| 04:49.23 | XeonSquared | muh pentium 2 box |
| 04:49.41 | missmbob | it's alright, to say goodbye, to yesterday |
| 04:50.06 | XeonSquared | I put this one together for the purpose of having a laughably underpowered box though' |
| 04:50.16 | XeonSquared | Ah well, guess it's just gonna have Haiku on it for now |
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| 04:51.49 | RayzrShrp | is there a way to get syslog-ng off my system after doing apt-get remove --purge? there are still directories in /etc and /usr/share/doc |
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| 05:06.01 | n4dir1 | you could try aptitude purge ~c ; RayzrShrp |
| 05:07.39 | Artemis3 | XeonSquared, simplest way take out hd install elsewhere then put it back |
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| 05:08.22 | beboop | Is there a point to using debian stable if I'm going to update the kernel from the backports? |
| 05:08.51 | RayzrShrp | what does the -c do? |
| 05:09.05 | Artemis3 | beboop, yes, the rest is still stable packages (and backports were compiled against stable libs) |
| 05:09.50 | beboop | Artemis3 I see thank you |
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| 05:11.20 | somiaj | beboop: yes, a few select packages that are newer with a full well tested stable system is better than a whole system that has less testing. |
| 05:11.48 | somiaj | and kernels are very easy to backport and provided very similar stability and enwer hardware support |
| 05:11.56 | somiaj | only issue is slightly slower security fixes with backported kernels |
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| 05:13.37 | XeonSquared | Artemis3: yeah that might be the idea |
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| 05:13.56 | XeonSquared | I have a HDD dock that supports IDE, I could do the install on my laptop and stuff then |
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| 05:19.19 | Artemis3 | XeonSquared, or one of those usb adapters |
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| 05:43.20 | hmuller | anyone using esmtp, procmail, bsd-mailx for local only (root) mail? |
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| 06:00.04 | jcadduono | hi, is there a package i am missing? when i use make bindeb-pkg in linux kernel source, the .deb files it produces are always corrupt: tar: Unexpected EOF in archive (but there are no errors when generating it) |
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| 06:02.15 | jcadduono | from looking inside it, it's clear that control.tar.gz is cut off mid gzip stream (not mid tar) |
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| 06:06.47 | rootd00d | hey folks. just curious when the unstable gnome-shell is expected to drop |
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| 06:38.36 | Wizard | Looks like Atom to me |
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| 06:39.12 | Wizard | Good morning |
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| 07:09.08 | Kocrachon | Anyone around to possible help out with a quick samba question? |
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| 07:17.55 | [Saint] | OK. Having a derp moment with ecryptfs based transparent ~ encryption. |
| 07:18.04 | [Saint] | I changed the user login passphrase. |
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| 07:18.18 | [Saint] | How do I update the wrapping passphrase to match? |
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| 07:18.40 | [Saint] | The wrapping passphrase is still (in hindsight understandably) the old user passphrase. |
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| 07:23.34 | [Saint] | hmmm...derp, I think I've got it. |
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| 07:27.13 | Shadur | ... WTF. I just ran an apt update on a jessie system and somewhere along the line it wiped out most of /var |
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| 07:33.39 | pendicol | Hi |
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| 07:34.14 | pendicol | I'm connected to a server via SSH; How can I force 'apt' to handdle traffic through that route? |
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| 07:34.35 | pendicol | handle* |
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| 07:37.35 | [Saint] | OK, nevermind. |
| 07:37.46 | [Saint] | I'm smart, because I'm an idiot. |
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| 07:38.00 | pendicol | good for you |
| 07:38.34 | [Saint] | Turns out I never cleaned up the temporary user I used to setup ecryptfs transparent encryption or the /home/user.random_string/ directories. |
| 07:38.50 | [Saint] | So I just nuked /home/.ecryptfs/username |
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| 07:39.26 | [Saint] | So...whoops, but yay, but...whoops. |
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| 08:11.23 | darxmurf | I have still some troubles with my samba+ldap+kerberos config. I have a share accessible without problem with 2 different accounts (windows AD). But for 2 other guys, it's not working. |
| 08:12.00 | darxmurf | the weird point it that the username/password is accepted: check_ntlm_password: winbind authentication for user [user01] succeeded |
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| 08:12.32 | darxmurf | but then: SID S-1-5-21-57989841-432344069-839599115-71204 -> getpwuid(9004) failed |
| 08:12.41 | darxmurf | I simply don't understand what's wrong :-x |
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| 08:14.43 | e-vent | Anyone know how to debug why courier-imap-ssl will not start? |
| 08:14.51 | e-vent | I've tried using default config |
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| 08:14.55 | e-vent | I've tried purging |
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| 08:15.21 | e-vent | Same thing every time |
| 08:15.22 | epsilon | whats in error log? |
| 08:15.27 | e-vent | Well exactly |
| 08:15.29 | e-vent | Nothing |
| 08:15.31 | e-vent | in any log |
| 08:16.35 | e-vent | Syslog shows the startup |
| 08:16.41 | e-vent | status shows startup active exited |
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| 08:17.06 | darxmurf | is winbind mandatory when you configure a samba server ? |
| 08:17.09 | darxmurf | with ldap |
| 08:17.15 | e-vent | The only thing that has changed is upgrading from wheezy to jessie |
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| 09:07.49 | iK1LLFR0GS | once upon a time my psychiatrist had a pet frog in his office |
| 09:07.55 | iK1LLFR0GS | my psychiatrist asked me a lot of annoying questions. When he asked "have you ever killed anything", i got extra annoyed |
| 09:08.01 | iK1LLFR0GS | so i went to his desk, grabbed his pet frog, and removed its head, with a scissors. |
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| 09:08.07 | iK1LLFR0GS | then i said, "yeah, i kill stuff!" |
| 09:08.13 | iK1LLFR0GS | and that was the first time i ever killed a frog |
| 09:08.21 | iK1LLFR0GS | since then i have been killing frogs |
| 09:08.24 | iK1LLFR0GS | i kill frogs |
| 09:08.25 | iK1LLFR0GS | and in the future i intend to be killing frogs |
| 09:08.29 | iK1LLFR0GS | because i kill frogs. |
| 09:08.31 | iK1LLFR0GS | any questions? |
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| 10:23.03 | cri1 | hi, any mozilla developers here? |
| 10:24.07 | cri1 | I was wondering why there are FF 45.7.0 packages for stable and unstable, but not for testing |
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| 10:33.45 | darxmurf | talking about that, I'm wondering why icedove is crashing all the time |
| 10:33.57 | darxmurf | in testing |
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| 10:34.33 | babilen | darxmurf: works fine here on sid (same version) |
| 10:34.43 | cri1 | https://qa.debian.org/excuses.php?package=firefox-esr |
| 10:35.00 | cri1 | says "Too young, only 2 of 10 days old " |
| 10:35.17 | darxmurf | babilen: you don't have random crashes ? |
| 10:35.22 | babilen | No |
| 10:35.25 | cri1 | do we have to wait 10 days to get a security update to testing? |
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| 10:35.36 | babilen | cri1: Just pull it from unstable |
| 10:35.38 | darxmurf | like middle of wriiting a mail |
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| 10:35.47 | darxmurf | hum, weird |
| 10:36.32 | babilen | darxmurf: Well, that doesn't invalidate the crashes you experience .. but I haven't had problems. Don't really use it as my main MUA though |
| 10:36.39 | cri1 | babilen: yeah, I was considering that, but I'd like to understand if it's a temporary problem or some weird policy |
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| 10:36.50 | babilen | cri1: What exactly? |
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| 10:37.17 | cri1 | the fact that there are packages for stable and unstable, but testing must wait 10 days |
| 10:37.25 | babilen | It's pretty normal for packages to wait in unstable before they transition to testing |
| 10:37.31 | darxmurf | babilen: ah, mine is open the whole day |
| 10:37.41 | flokuehn | l:D |
| 10:37.56 | flokuehn | sorry. wrong window |
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| 10:38.25 | babilen | cri1: https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.release-lifecycle.html might clarify the way 'testing' is used. Please note that testing is simply a tool used to prepare the next stable release and that it is not meant to be used by users really |
| 10:38.47 | babilen | darxmurf: Well, mine is too .. but sees little action as I mostly use mutt |
| 10:39.27 | cri1 | babilen: I thought that testing would get security updates as soon as stable does |
| 10:39.34 | babilen | Not at all |
| 10:39.54 | cri1 | babilen: so what's the use of having this in sources.list http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates |
| 10:40.31 | babilen | There might be some security uploads, but mostly they are done by uploading a fixed package to unstable and letting it transition in due course. That's one of the reasons why I personally consider tracking only testing to be a viable setup. |
| 10:40.53 | babilen | err |
| 10:41.01 | babilen | *to NOT be a viable setup |
| 10:41.28 | babilen | Either way .. this is probably a better topic for #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 10:41.37 | cri1 | babilen: ok, thanks for the explanation (BTW i must use testing because X crashes with the kernel in stable) |
| 10:41.55 | babilen | You can get a backported kernel -- /msg dpkg bdo kernel |
| 10:41.59 | babilen | dpkg: tell cri1 -about tum |
| 10:42.09 | babilen | Ah .. you are tracking stretch, not testing |
| 10:42.15 | babilen | dpkg: tell cri1 -about ssm |
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| 10:42.34 | cri1 | babilen: testing != stretch ??? |
| 10:42.45 | babilen | That's a more sensible setup IMHO that copes better during transitions, package removals and also allows you to easily grab packages from sid whenever you have to |
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| 10:43.42 | babilen | cri1: It is now, but as soon as stretch is released stretch will be stable and there'll be a new testing (buster) |
| 10:44.00 | cri1 | ah sure |
| 10:44.03 | babilen | So it makes a *huge* difference if you use "stretch" or "testing" in your sources.list |
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| 11:18.45 | Henry151 | hello |
| 11:19.35 | Henry151 | I am trying to configure a few laptops with debian for my nephews, who are home-schooled |
| 11:20.03 | Henry151 | I want to live-build a system, so that I can perfect it and then install it on all three laptops exactly the same way |
| 11:20.21 | Henry151 | where might I find a simple set of directions for live-building? |
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| 11:39.55 | jack_thompson | there doesn't seem to be an overlayfs in 7.11 wheezy... ...? |
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| 11:41.19 | jack_thompson | i thought it was favored instead of aufs... but somehow the kernel has a aufs module and no overlayfs module.. |
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| 11:44.43 | jack_thompson | oh... i need debian stretch 9.0 or newer for overlayfs... :o |
| 11:44.53 | jack_thompson | kthxbye |
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| 12:07.26 | deemel | I updated chromium although it was oringially kept back and now it's unable to use existing or install new extentions. How can I downgrade a package / install a previous version of it? |
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| 12:19.01 | [exa] | Hi everyone. Q: What is the simplest method to project changes in /etc/default/keyboard to X11 configuration? Preferably without a reboot. |
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| 12:20.59 | towo^work | udevadm trigger --subsystem-match=input |
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| 12:24.22 | [exa] | towo^work: I guess X11 should be restarted then? |
| 12:24.53 | [exa] | eyyy, worked. Thanks! |
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| 12:37.50 | styler2go | Are .local domains being treat different than .com on debian? |
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| 12:39.24 | Stummi | .local domains are different by convention, but I don't think theres a technical / implementation difference when dealing with them |
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| 12:44.35 | newcoder | How can I remove a package with it's dependencies? |
| 12:45.38 | Stummi | aptitude remove package |
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| 12:46.08 | newcoder | That doesn't remove dependency |
| 12:46.20 | Stummi | than its because the dependency is needed by something else |
| 12:46.30 | Stummi | what does "aptitude why <dependency>" say? |
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| 12:48.39 | jelly | styler2go: yes. .local is reserved for zeroconf/avahi/mdns |
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| 12:51.40 | jelly | dpkg, .local domain |
| 12:51.40 | dpkg | .local is a pseudo-top-level domain for private networks. If you want to administer this domain manually using a name server like <bind> or in your <hosts> files, you should ensure that /etc/nsswitch.conf doesn't contain "mdns" entries for the hosts line in that case. Alternatively, you can let <avahi> manage the domain for you using <mdns>. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.local http://wiki.debian.org/ZeroConf |
| 12:52.30 | styler2go | jelly, yay, got it fixed |
| 12:52.47 | jelly | that's probably a bit outdated. Current best practice is, if you need dns in a private network, use a subdomain in your own public domain |
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| 12:54.15 | GPenguin | can dpkg bot list the newest 10 entries? |
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| 12:54.46 | orl_ | Hi! |
| 12:54.53 | GPenguin | hello |
| 12:55.30 | sephii | hi there, I'm trying to create an ephemeral copy of an LXC container by running "lxc-copy -e -n baseimage -s -B overlayfs" and I'm getting "Error: You must provide a NEWNAME for the clone" while the manpage says "When -e is specified and no newname is given via -N a random name for the snapshot will be chosen.". Am I doing something wrong or is the manpage wrong? |
| 12:56.46 | orl_ | I'm having trouble after an upgrade to stretch: seq24 doesn't want to start, got an undefined symbol _ZN4Glib7ustringC1ERKSs. It's a version of seq24 I did patch a few years ago, it was working fineuntil the upgrade. I don't know what's the lib which leads to the problem, how can I track it (google didn't give me usable results) |
| 12:57.18 | coruja | sephii, N != n |
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| 12:59.37 | sephii | coruja: yes, I'm not passing -N (NEWNAME) and LXC complains about it but the docs say that if it's not provided and -e is provided a random name will be chosen |
| 12:59.52 | coruja | sephii, nvm, guess i misinterpreted the manpage quote |
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| 13:00.19 | orl_ | I tried to check things with ldd, looks like everything is linked except two lines (lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 and linux-vdso.so.1) |
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| 13:00.31 | orl_ | I don't knowhow this works exactly, though |
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| 13:01.36 | gautamsomani | Hello. Have a generic question - as a good sysadmin should I use sudo to run commands with privileges or should I become root directly and run things? Which is a recommended practice? |
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| 13:03.05 | jelly | gautamsomani: sudo, in general, is best used to provide specific permissions for specific commands |
| 13:04.11 | jelly | if you give a user indiscriminate permissions to run any command as any user (including root), then there's no real difference between that user and root |
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| 13:06.34 | gautamsomani | jelly: Agreed, but if I talk from good practice point of view for myself who has ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL in the sudoers file, what then? |
| 13:06.59 | angor | I'm using sudo for single commands only... if I need to run several commands (e,g, investigating problems) - I'm playing shell as root :) |
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| 13:08.22 | gautamsomani | Okay. But that will be for convenience only, right? |
| 13:08.35 | jelly | gautamsomani: opening a separate root shell has practical benefits, eg. easy to use a separate history file |
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| 13:09.04 | TomTomTosch | using sudo is also less error-prone in most cases. |
| 13:09.10 | jelly | s/less/more/ |
| 13:09.15 | jelly | ymmv |
| 13:09.40 | GPenguin | its less error prone because you type 2-3 times because you forgot sudo at first |
| 13:10.01 | jelly | gautamsomani: also, things get interesting once you're not the only admin |
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| 13:10.31 | TomTomTosch | but that seldomly has consequenzes. using sudo you make an active choice with every command to give permissions to a command. |
| 13:10.40 | gautamsomani | jelly: Yes, that is the case actually, history will get mixed up, you won't know who gave what command. In sudo, things get logged in separate file and also in sudo logs. |
| 13:10.54 | gautamsomani | @GPengiun - yeah thats a good poing too. |
| 13:11.23 | gautamsomani | TomTomTosch: - true. |
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| 13:13.00 | GPenguin | i read ubuntu's list of "facts" about why we should use sudo a while ago. and most of that was very obscure |
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| 13:14.04 | TvL2386 | GPenguin, do you have a source link? I'm curious |
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| 13:16.02 | TvL2386 | lol |
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| 13:17.40 | GPenguin | whats funny? |
| 13:18.14 | TvL2386 | I just read your statement about typing it 2-3 times ^^ |
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| 13:19.34 | kronos777 | ciao |
| 13:19.55 | kronos777 | !list |
| 13:19.55 | dpkg | kronos777: Ã possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-8.7.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 13:20.54 | styler2go | Does anyone know a good UI network scanner? |
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| 13:22.34 | n4dir | zenmap? |
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| 13:24.11 | styler2go | n4dir, doesn't really work for me o.O |
| 13:24.27 | styler2go | it just shows nmap output all other windows stay empty |
| 13:24.28 | n4dir | What you want to scan? |
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| 13:25.05 | n4dir | i don't do much scanning, and if at all then nmap. So no idea about zenmap |
| 13:25.05 | GPenguin | microsoft solved that stupidity problem with their question "do you really want to do this?" and that password prompt of sudo is just that |
| 13:25.37 | jelly | UAC is actually quite nice, a bit better than sudo I think |
| 13:26.50 | styler2go | n4dir: i just want to search local network for open port 80, so nmap -p80 10.10.0.1/24 buuuut the UI is not really that good and the console is unclear |
| 13:27.31 | n4dir | isn't that 0/24 ? |
| 13:28.14 | styler2go | oh wait, this UI does some "intense" search which just takes ages... nevermind me i guess |
| 13:28.35 | styler2go | Initiating Service scan at 14:28 |
| 13:28.40 | styler2go | something like that it is doing |
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| 13:31.49 | n4dir | Nmap done: 256 IP addresses (4 hosts up) scanned in 9.98 seconds ; for nmap -p 80 192.168.178.0/24 |
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| 13:33.41 | styler2go | yeah... the ui added -A |
| 13:33.44 | styler2go | -A is quite slow |
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| 13:34.36 | n4dir | I never saw much sense in the gui, as i had to type the commands there anyway. But i am not much of a reader, unpatient, etc. Might be the gui is goo |
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| 13:35.55 | styler2go | n4dir, i just needed it to have a clear view because there are so many devices in this network |
| 13:36.03 | styler2go | and i need to find a fritzbox |
| 13:36.25 | n4dir | german? |
| 13:37.26 | n4dir | you could try to pipe the output of nmap | grep -i fritz |
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| 13:40.30 | n4dir | anyway, perhaps there is a different scanner with gui. i don't know |
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| 13:44.31 | teraflops | ,v zenmap |
| 13:44.32 | judd | Package: zenmap on amd64 -- wheezy: 6.00-0.3+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 6.40-0.1~bpo70+1; jessie: 6.47-3+deb8u2; stretch: 7.31-1; stretch: 7.40-1; sid: 7.40-1 |
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| 13:50.52 | Aimmy | Guys! How do I open .rar file in debian? Any program I can DL from synaptic for this? |
| 13:51.12 | jelly | Aimmy: unrar, if it works |
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| 13:52.02 | Aimmy | There is no program in synaptic that's named unrar? there is unzip but I don't think it supports .rar. |
| 13:52.25 | bazhang | ,v unp |
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| 13:52.26 | judd | Package: unp on amd64 -- sid: 2.0~pre7+nmu1; jessie: 2.0~pre7+nmu1; stretch: 2.0~pre7+nmu1; wheezy: 2.0~pre7+nmu1 |
| 13:52.26 | themill | !non-free sources |
| 13:52.26 | dpkg | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «aptitude update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
| 13:52.41 | Hello71 | don't say "DL", and you can't "download from synaptic" |
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| 13:53.56 | watmm | Hey, does anyone know where to find information about memory overcommitting on a per process basis. E.g. Committed_AS in /proc/meminfo gives you a total count, but i'd like to find out what's responsible |
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| 13:54.40 | n4dir | unrar-free is in the main repo though ( ages i ran into rar files, might be unrar-free came with drawbacks) |
| 13:54.45 | Aimmy | ah, thank you themill. I forgot to mark thoose in repository. |
| 13:55.06 | Aimmy | Hello71: Okay boss. Maybe you should correct one if you're interested in correcting people. |
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| 13:56.51 | jelly | Aimmy: if you enable non-free, you can install the actual "rar" thing that works best (but is only free for use for 30 days or so) |
| 13:56.58 | jelly | ,v rar |
| 13:57.00 | judd | Package: rar on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 2:4.0.b3-1; jessie/non-free: 2:4.2.0-1; stretch/non-free: 2:5.3.b2-1; sid/non-free: 2:5.3.b2-1 |
| 13:57.06 | malacozoan | Aimmy: Check out p7zip-full also, supports all sorts of formats |
| 13:57.17 | Aimmy | Jelly: ye they where unchecked in repository, I can see them now :) Thanks. |
| 13:57.23 | Aimmy | It' |
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| 14:00.05 | Aimmy | !sources |
| 14:00.06 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
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| 14:22.30 | drdom | Hi there, can anyone assist in sieve configuration (debian 8.7, dovecot, roundcube, postfix)? |
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| 14:29.04 | petn-randall | drdom: Just ask ahead, if someone knows they'll chime in. |
| 14:29.22 | AMIGrAve | Anyone succeed spawning a systemd-nspawn container with --read-only under debian testing ? nspawn fails with the following message: "Failed to create directory /var/lib/machines/test/sys: Read-only file system" (works ok under ubuntu) |
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| 14:29.56 | petn-randall | AMIGrAve: You can ask in the following channel, where all the Debian testing/sid users hang out: |
| 14:30.00 | petn-randall | !debian-next |
| 14:30.00 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 14:30.18 | AMIGrAve | petn-randall: thanks |
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| 14:31.29 | AMIGrAve | btw how can I be invited in #debian-next ? |
| 14:32.58 | TomTomTosch | #debian-next is not on freenode. read the factoid again. |
| 14:33.15 | drdom | I configured sieve in dovecot lda and lmtp, installed roundcube plugin, actived a rule. managesieve port running, dovecot debug shows startup of managesieve. but can not see why it does not work, debug mode does not show anything related to rules |
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| 14:34.59 | AMIGrAve | TomTomTosch: well I /parted to early and don't have scrollback. how can I executed the !debian-next factoid ? (sorry it's a long time I didn't used irc) |
| 14:35.25 | petn-randall | AMIGrAve: /query dpkg debian-next |
| 14:35.33 | AMIGrAve | thanks |
| 14:35.38 | petn-randall | AMIGrAve: you're welcome |
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| 14:44.10 | jelly | petn-randall: does that query thing work for you? It only opens a query window on XChat but does not ask the bot anything |
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| 14:47.10 | petn-randall | jelly: Works fine here on irssi. |
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| 14:47.53 | petn-randall | jelly: Even if you have an existing query it'll switch to it and send that message. |
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| 14:50.39 | cyphix | My university provides remote disks accessible with vpn. The address is smb//... I am connected with the vpn, but I don't know how to mount the disk. What is the command to use? |
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| 14:51.36 | TvL2386 | cyphix, I think you need smbclient to mount it |
| 14:52.23 | cyphix | I have that indeed, but I don't know the exact command |
| 14:52.59 | TvL2386 | reading about it and you might also be able to use mount.cifs |
| 14:53.13 | TvL2386 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:53.54 | TvL2386 | man mount.cifs |
| 14:55.17 | watmm | Wondering why even after a reboot Committed_AS in /proc/meminfo can be higher than CommitLimit with vm.overcommit_memory set to 0, yet the oom-killer isn't killing anything. Anyone familiar? |
| 14:55.30 | cyphix | TvL2386: Ok thank you, I'll try that |
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| 15:00.38 | markit | aptitude a b c installs a and c even if b is missing, while apt-get aborts... how to fix it? |
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| 15:08.11 | zykotick9 | markit: i never noticed that. both apt-get and apt abort is a package is missing, while aptitude soldiers on with a warning. <- i'm not sure this is "broken," and thus you might not be able to "fix it"... |
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| 15:09.28 | markit | zykotick9: my bad :( |
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| 15:10.19 | markit | I've a script to automate installation of some stuff, I used aptitude in the past,and some packages could be missing in the OS version I run the script so... |
| 15:10.41 | n4dir | searching for ignore in man apt-get gives some results. I never used them and am not sure if they might help |
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| 15:11.27 | zykotick9 | markit: perhaps switch to apt-get or apt for your script? |
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| 15:11.51 | markit | zykotick9: ? I'm USING apt-get, that is the problem |
| 15:12.08 | markit | zykotick9: aptitude just ignored missing packages, apt-get instead aborts the entire stuff |
| 15:12.20 | zykotick9 | markit: oh, then aptitude? i though you didn't want the package to be ignored. |
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| 15:12.52 | TvL2386 | markit, you could just install the packages one by one and ignoring the apt-get that fails? |
| 15:13.12 | markit | more complicated that simply find a switch, but seems that --ignore-missing does not work either |
| 15:13.34 | markit | since aptitude worked so find about this, I think there is a way to do with apt too |
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| 15:14.12 | n4dir | yup, tested it, didn't work. should have tested before commenting, sorry |
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| 15:14.15 | tsglove | What would you suggest to manage a 6-7 workstation deployment of linux? I know Canonical has Landscape, yet looking for something non-paid. Not sure if Spacewalk would help? |
| 15:14.26 | newbie22 | can you install debian linux on a laptop ( Dell Inspiron 1521, |
| 15:14.26 | newbie22 | Windows Vista, 64-bit, 2 GB, |
| 15:14.26 | newbie22 | 250 GB Hard Drive ) |
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| 15:14.46 | TvL2386 | markit, I don't see a switch for apt-get to do what you want |
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| 15:15.03 | TvL2386 | markit, I also don't know the solution except doing them one by one... |
| 15:15.04 | sypher | newbie22: Yes. |
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| 15:15.15 | TvL2386 | markit, however I think it is weird that you try to install a non-existent package |
| 15:15.24 | zykotick9 | TvL2386: +1 |
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| 15:15.52 | n4dir | markit: well, if it's a script, you could put the to-be-installed-packages in an array, for i in pkg_list; if apt-cache show "$i"; then apt-get install "$i"; fi ;; or such |
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| 15:16.07 | newbie22 | TvL2386: what do you mean by non-existent package |
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| 15:16.17 | n4dir | for in in "${pkg_list[@]}"; sorry |
| 15:16.34 | TvL2386 | well, markit says that he is trying to do 'apt-get install a b c' where b does not exit |
| 15:16.36 | TvL2386 | *exist |
| 15:16.46 | newbie22 | sypher: would I have to install it in dual boot mode or would it boot directly into linux ??? |
| 15:17.00 | sypher | newbie22: Either are options. |
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| 15:22.40 | markit | I understand the obvious workaround, just puzzled there is no flag that solves it automatically |
| 15:22.47 | markit | but thanks :) |
| 15:22.51 | drot | Hello, following this https://wiki.debian.org/GmailAndExim4 I can send mail, but what about receiving mail? |
| 15:23.20 | TvL2386 | tsglove, What do you actually want to manage on those workstations? |
| 15:23.23 | jackNemrod | Can anyone help me in writing a part of my preseed file? I would like partman take /dev/sda as /boot and /dev/sdb for the LVM (whole disk). I don't understand how to do it |
| 15:23.23 | jackNemrod | It's possible, isn't it? |
| 15:24.10 | TvL2386 | markit, I am actually baffled that aptitude ignores non-existent packages |
| 15:24.43 | tsglove | TvL2386, a way to ... well, basically try and imitate Microsoft's Active Directory. |
| 15:25.08 | c-c | apt-get doesn't |
| 15:25.22 | tsglove | User creation (so they can move from workstation to workstation, and have their files pulled from a server)... security. A way to "push updates" (or run update commands on each workstation). |
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| 15:25.45 | TvL2386 | tsglove, I use ansible for server management and I think it would be great for workstation management as well |
| 15:26.02 | TvL2386 | tsglove, I even use it for my laptop and server@home management |
| 15:26.06 | tsglove | Really? You think it can expand to workstations too? I am going to give it a go then. |
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| 15:26.25 | TvL2386 | tsglove, what's the difference between a workstation and a server and a laptop.... It's linux right |
| 15:26.59 | TvL2386 | tsglove, even managing my dads stuff with ansible |
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| 15:27.06 | TvL2386 | he's never heard of it |
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| 15:27.21 | tsglove | Going to play with it now... awesome. =) |
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| 15:27.41 | TvL2386 | tsglove, yeah why not? Managing users on all workstations: check... |
| 15:28.16 | darxmurf | cheers folks, have a good week-end |
| 15:28.41 | tsglove | Super. I have a small client that I want to move over to linux. I think they're a great case, as they have zero applications... everything they do is web-based. |
| 15:28.43 | TvL2386 | tsglove, I always think: ansible does what I can do manually by typing stuff through an ssh session. But in this case: it's documented, committed to git and if a new server/workstation pops up, it's running in no-time |
| 15:29.24 | TvL2386 | tsglove, customer wants his farm extended with 3 servers: deploy template to vm, add hosts to ansible and run playbook...tada |
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| 15:30.21 | TvL2386 | ansible is great if you cannot remember everything you manually did |
| 15:30.22 | tsglove | Great. I have been running Xubuntu for 2-3 years now. Yet I want to switch over to Debian. I keep on expanding on Linux |
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| 15:31.19 | TvL2386 | tsglove, I've been running ubuntu lts versions for years and switched from puppet to ansible |
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| 15:32.35 | tsglove | Yes... I have seen both. I was leaning over to ansible, yet haven't played with neither. Yet will go with ansible first thing. |
| 15:32.35 | TvL2386 | tsglove, you have some ansible experience or are you kicking it off now? |
| 15:32.46 | tsglove | kicking it off now |
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| 15:32.48 | TvL2386 | :) |
| 15:33.28 | TvL2386 | my customer was so impressed by ansible, they have moved over their webapp deployments to ansible as well. Before it was just shell scripts |
| 15:34.12 | tsglove | Superb. I want to keep on learning more of these technologies. |
| 15:34.29 | TvL2386 | tsglove, you'll like that it's very easy to just start managing resources on machines. All you need is local ansible. The remote server normally has the dependencies (sshd & python) |
| 15:35.03 | TvL2386 | anyway: enough advertisement :) |
| 15:35.15 | tsglove | Well I think I'm going to expand that management with ansible to about 10 raspberry pis I have all over the place. They all VPN back into a "central server" |
| 15:35.43 | tsglove | installed Debian with XFCE in a small VM... like it so far. Will see if I can move over from xubuntu soon. |
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| 15:56.54 | systop | hi, im currenly running my laptop without X and I find my screen dims after about 2 minutes does anyone know how to extend this time to like 10 minutes? |
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| 16:04.59 | systop | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:13.02 | ploop | how safe is it to put apt-get update && apt-get upgrade in cron on stable? |
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| 16:13.58 | shewp | ploop: check out the unattended-upgrades package |
| 16:14.04 | shewp | it does what you want |
| 16:14.19 | shewp | there's also an alternative called cron-apt |
| 16:15.09 | shewp | so that's what you want, regarding how safe it is i can speak for my own experience on wheezy when it was stable that i never had any problems |
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| 16:17.01 | ploop | thanks |
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| 16:28.43 | Nematocyst | when i insert a flash drive or sd card, my cinnamon desktop icons get messed up. not moved around, but drawn incorrectly, thus having pictures where there aren't really any on the desktop (clicking there does nothing) |
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| 16:29.56 | Nematocyst | i have two screenshots. one before, and one after insertion. not sure where to upload them |
| 16:30.19 | Toordog | What tools can I use to have a dashboard with my server inventory and openscap vulnerability assesment list? |
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| 16:30.38 | mtn | Nematocyst: imgur.com |
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| 16:31.12 | teraflops | Nematocyst: ptpb |
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| 16:32.47 | teraflops | curl -F c=@path/to/a/file https://ptpb.pw |
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| 16:35.19 | Nematocyst | before insertion: https://ptpb.pw/hXW9.png after insersion: https://ptpb.pw/Ouoq.png |
| 16:36.48 | teraflops | Nematocyst: ugh |
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| 16:38.28 | Nematocyst | teraflops, i'd like to isolate the issue to the proper place. video driver, desktop, debian.. whatever it is in order to file a bug report. been using debian now for close to a year, and it's the only real issue. a nusiance mostly, have to reboot to fix it |
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| 16:38.58 | derobert_work | Is everyone else seeing everything hosted by Bytemark (PTS, tracker, alioth, ...) down? |
| 16:39.05 | teraflops | Nematocyst: just guessing, do you run a composite manager? |
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| 16:39.22 | Nematocyst | teraflops, i think so. |
| 16:39.34 | teraflops | xfce4 built in one? |
| 16:39.51 | teraflops | Nematocyst: also which gpu? |
| 16:40.36 | teraflops | such things could be related to your gpu |
| 16:41.15 | Nematocyst | teraflops, an old one. pcie, gt-7300 nvidia. compisiting i believe in system settings|appearance|Effects. Enable desktop effects is checked |
| 16:42.01 | teraflops | Nematocyst: hmm, no idea, checked xorg logs, syslog and dmesg? |
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| 16:43.46 | Nematocyst | i don't even know if i'm using the legacy driver, or whatever the open source one is called. don't know what to look for in the logs. it seems purely a display problem. no ill effects really |
| 16:44.59 | Nematocyst | ok, i unchecked desktop effects, and inserted a flash drive. garbled icons |
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| 16:45.31 | Nematocyst | ofc, ejecting the drive DOESNT fix the problem |
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| 16:46.42 | teraflops | Nematocyst: lsmod |
| 16:46.42 | Nematocyst | i can find where the real icons are by creating a selection rectangle over the desktop. the real icons get hilighted |
| 16:46.53 | teraflops | grep for nvidia or nouveau |
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| 16:53.54 | Nematocyst | in xorg.0.log, the entries mostly stop at time index 80.xxx, then i get some much later at 3758.xxx. i don't know if those are the result of drive insertion. they complain about not supporting nvidia 3d vision stereo. however similar entries exist up to 80.xxx. don't see any obvious problems |
| 16:54.38 | Nematocyst | oh, and it's clearly nvidia driver. not nouveau |
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| 16:56.28 | Nematocyst | i see from dmesg that those entries are not the result of drive insertion which occured at 5695.xxx |
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| 16:57.50 | Nematocyst | i'm sure i switched from nouveau at some point for a reason. can't remember what that was. how do i go back? |
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| 17:18.26 | userro | Hello, I can't run 'deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian stretch main' because I don't have deb package. How to get it? |
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| 17:20.52 | jolt | userro: It's not a command, thats a line that should be in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 17:21.14 | userro | oh lol |
| 17:21.18 | userro | ok |
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| 17:21.28 | userro | thanks |
| 17:22.05 | jolt | and it should be pre-populated if you run stretch already |
| 17:22.16 | jolt | Not sure what you are trying to do though |
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| 17:22.39 | RajRajRaj | i have all 3 disks extracted out on my desktop, now how do i add packages from it to my OS? can anyone help please |
| 17:22.58 | SynrG | userro: before helping userro shoot themselves in the foot, yes, it would be good to get an idea of what they're trying to do :) |
| 17:23.35 | SynrG | userro: generally you don't want to run stretch unless you absolutely know what you're doing. if you just want some newer packages, jessie-backports may be better for your case. please explain to us what you want to accomplish today. |
| 17:23.45 | outpox | Hey there! I'm using Cinnamon on a Debian Wheezy and I've got trouble setting up my dual screen. Am I in the right chan? I asked on #linuxmint-help but I was redirected there. Also I couldn't find a dedicated Cinnamon channel except the devs one. |
| 17:23.59 | SynrG | er, jolt: before helping ... ^^ |
| 17:24.04 | SynrG | brain fart |
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| 17:24.31 | SynrG | outpox: give it a try. some of us use cinnamon |
| 17:24.48 | outpox | Alright |
| 17:25.01 | SynrG | outpox: explain what you want to do, what you tried, what you expected, and what happened instead. |
| 17:25.14 | SynrG | outpox: use paste.debian.net for any config snippets / output |
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| 17:25.26 | outpox | oki doki! |
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| 17:25.49 | userro | SynrG, jolt, I trying to install ca-certificates-mono. I can't find it in 'apt list' so I'm downloading it from https://packages.debian.org/stretch/all/ca-certificates-mono/download |
| 17:25.59 | userro | I'm * |
| 17:26.07 | SynrG | ,v ca-certificates-mono |
| 17:26.09 | judd | Package: ca-certificates-mono on amd64 -- stretch: 4.2.1.102+dfsg2-8; stretch: 4.6.2.7+dfsg-1; sid: 4.6.2.7+dfsg-1 |
| 17:26.28 | SynrG | ,checkbackport ca-certificates-mono |
| 17:26.29 | judd | Backporting package ca-certificates-mono in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
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| 17:27.29 | SynrG | userro: i would recommend against including a stretch deb line in your stable system's /etc/apt/sources.list. perhaps just download the deb and install with dpkg -i <filename>.deb |
| 17:27.47 | SynrG | if it's just a file containing some certs ... |
| 17:27.51 | SynrG | probably installs fine on jessie |
| 17:28.08 | SynrG | ah, hmm. i'm wrong. |
| 17:28.13 | SynrG | !ssb |
| 17:28.13 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 17:28.28 | SynrG | userro: you could follow the procedure above to make your own backport ^ |
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| 17:28.51 | SynrG | looks like the package contains some executables as well. so i have no idea if those would 'just work' on jessie or not, without rebuilding from source |
| 17:29.01 | outpox | So I'm using Cinnamon and I wanted to add a taskbar on my 2nd monitor. My setup is as follow: dual screen side by side with the main screen being right one. From what I found by googling, I should be able to right click my current (and only) taskbar/panel and click "Add panel" to spawn it on the 2nd screen. The issue is that I can't find such a button... :| So had any one of you the same issue? |
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| 17:29.48 | SynrG | outpox: aha. so that could be because the version of cinnamon in jessie is old-ish compared to what people are writing about out there on the web |
| 17:29.52 | SynrG | ,v cinnamon |
| 17:29.53 | judd | Package: cinnamon on amd64 -- jessie: 2.2.16-5; jessie-backports: 3.0.4-2~bpo8+1; sid: 3.2.7-1; stretch: 3.2.7-1 |
| 17:30.03 | RajRajRaj | i have all 3 disks extracted out on my desktop, now how do i add packages from it to my OS? can anyone help please |
| 17:30.07 | outpox | Oh yeah I had not tought of that |
| 17:30.16 | outpox | I'll check my cinnamon version, thanks |
| 17:30.17 | SynrG | jessie's way back at 2.2.16. there is a backport of that, though ... |
| 17:30.31 | SynrG | i've not used the backport, mind you, so can't vouch for it. |
| 17:30.46 | awal1 | outpox, check if your panel have an option something like "show in all monitors"like fbpanel/tint2 does |
| 17:30.51 | outpox | Well I'll report if it works :P |
| 17:31.11 | SynrG | note that even the backport isn't the latest. stretch has 3.2.7 (vs the backport 3.0.4) |
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| 17:31.29 | outpox | awal1 : I doesn't recall having seen that option, I'll recheck tough |
| 17:31.32 | SynrG | outpox: jessie was the first release to include cinnamon, though, so things may have been rough/incomplete |
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| 17:32.42 | SynrG | RajRajRaj: i can't even begin to comprehend what you're actually trying to do ... |
| 17:32.59 | SynrG | RajRajRaj: can you elaborate, please? |
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| 17:33.15 | RajRajRaj | SynrG: i have all three dvd of debian 8.6 i want to install packages form them |
| 17:33.18 | RajRajRaj | thats it |
| 17:33.25 | userro | I j |
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| 17:33.31 | RajRajRaj | userro: ? |
| 17:33.34 | SynrG | RajRajRaj: oh. all 3 *install* disks. gotcha |
| 17:33.39 | RajRajRaj | yes |
| 17:33.41 | userro | sorry ignore it |
| 17:33.45 | RajRajRaj | ok |
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| 17:34.22 | RajRajRaj | also my laptop is over heating, i quickly want to install something to prevent such thing |
| 17:34.32 | RajRajRaj | i dont know why its continuously heating |
| 17:35.09 | jolt | maybe powertop can help |
| 17:35.35 | SynrG | i don't know if this is *the* way to do it, but the apt-utils package has apt-ftparchive, which can be used to make an apt source from a pile of files in a directory |
| 17:36.05 | userro | I just want to run a bot using mono. It is giving me certificate errors when I run it. "received invalid certificate from the server" like that. I can visit that website using Chrome and it doesn't give any errors. I don't understand why mono thinks it is invalid. |
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| 17:37.40 | SynrG | RajRajRaj: is the laptop very new? |
| 17:37.53 | SynrG | i mean, made within the last year or so? |
| 17:38.04 | outpox | Gotta restart cinnamon to apply the changes, brb |
| 17:38.13 | SynrG | RajRajRaj: you may need backprots of the kernel and/or graphics drivers for newer models |
| 17:38.15 | RajRajRaj | SynrG: yes |
| 17:38.16 | SynrG | backports* |
| 17:38.23 | SynrG | RajRajRaj: what graphics chipset? |
| 17:38.29 | RajRajRaj | nvidia |
| 17:38.37 | SynrG | ,v nvidia-driver |
| 17:38.38 | judd | Package: nvidia-driver on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.101-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.101-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 375.26-1~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 375.26-1; sid/non-free: 375.26-2 |
| 17:38.41 | SynrG | ,kernels |
| 17:38.42 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.8.0-rc8-686-pae (4.8~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.9.0-1-686-pae (4.9.2-2); stretch: 4.9.0-1-686-pae (4.9.2-2); jessie-backports: 4.8.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.8.15-2~bpo8+2); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.39-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.84-1) |
| 17:38.49 | SynrG | !jessie-backports |
| 17:38.49 | dpkg | Selected packages intended for the Debian 9 "Stretch" release but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. Note that jessie-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main». Also ask me about <bdo>. |
| 17:39.07 | RajRajRaj | what is that |
| 17:39.27 | SynrG | RajRajRaj: ^ you can set up jessie-backports as per above, then install the kernel & nvidia-driver from that |
| 17:40.14 | RajRajRaj | i am new |
| 17:40.17 | SynrG | the install DVD images will be no help for that |
| 17:40.22 | RajRajRaj | i understand really nothing |
| 17:40.28 | SynrG | generally, people install from the net anyway. |
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| 17:40.43 | SynrG | do you have a very poor/slow internet connection? |
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| 17:41.02 | RajRajRaj | no |
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| 17:41.28 | SynrG | RajRajRaj: you should add the jessie-backports line to your /etc/apt/sources.list file as per the instructions above (as root) |
| 17:41.58 | SynrG | RajRajRaj: once you've done that, 'apt update', and then 'apt install -t jessie-backports linux-image-amd64 nvidia-driver' |
| 17:42.15 | outpox | I'm back and installing the cinnamon package from jessie-backports solved my issue, thanks! |
| 17:42.19 | SynrG | that will give you updated kernel & nvidia driver. |
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| 17:42.21 | RajRajRaj | no apt-get? |
| 17:42.28 | SynrG | 'apt' is fine. new front-end |
| 17:42.58 | RajRajRaj | nice :) |
| 17:42.59 | SynrG | apt-get is still there and you can use it if you prefer ... but apt is nicer. |
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| 17:43.34 | outpox | apt shows a progress installation bar at the bottom of the terminal when installing packages :p |
| 17:43.36 | RajRajRaj | where does screen shot gets stored? |
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| 17:43.52 | RajRajRaj | it is showing 100% always |
| 17:43.54 | RajRajRaj | idk why |
| 17:43.59 | SynrG | RajRajRaj: did you install the nvidia driver from non-free or just the default nouveau driver from main? |
| 17:44.12 | userro | yes, I also prefer apt. I only use apt-get when I copy the command from someone else |
| 17:44.23 | userro | somewhere |
| 17:44.40 | RajRajRaj | i installed firmware-realtek_0.43_all.deb |
| 17:44.49 | RajRajRaj | guess its not working |
| 17:45.00 | RajRajRaj | probably its not even related to nvidia |
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| 17:45.09 | SynrG | unrelated to nvidia, correct. |
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| 17:45.22 | SynrG | except that both are from non-free. |
| 17:46.06 | SynrG | RajRajRaj: please note that the backports factoid above says "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main" but since nvidia-driver is in non-free, you should write instead "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main contrib non-free" |
| 17:46.39 | RajRajRaj | Err http://ppa.launchpad.net jessie/main amd64 Packages |
| 17:46.40 | RajRajRaj | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:46.40 | RajRajRaj | Ign http://ppa.launchpad.net jessie/main Translation-en_IN |
| 17:46.40 | RajRajRaj | Ign http://ppa.launchpad.net jessie/main Translation-en |
| 17:46.40 | RajRajRaj | 100% [Connecting to deb.debian.org (2001:41c8:1000:21::21:4)] |
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| 17:46.57 | RajRajRaj | shit, dorry |
| 17:47.58 | RajRajRaj | sorry* |
| 17:48.14 | RajRajRaj | SynrG: i did |
| 17:48.32 | RajRajRaj | where does it store screen shots |
| 17:48.36 | awal1 | outpox, only achievable with 2.6+; use another panel for your second monitor as a workaround (tint2 is very light and customizable) (https://github.com/linuxmint/Cinnamon/issues/130#issuecomment-74875552) |
| 17:48.44 | RajRajRaj | i cant take pictures of my desktop |
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| 17:49.16 | RajRajRaj | SynrG: you there? |
| 17:49.20 | SynrG | RajRajRaj: what the unholy <expletive deleted> is in your /etc/apt/sources.list ??? |
| 17:49.38 | RajRajRaj | idk |
| 17:50.20 | SynrG | RajRajRaj: right, well, please put it at paste.debian.net and give us the URL for your paste. |
| 17:50.44 | RajRajRaj | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/rpqjudft/here |
| 17:50.52 | RajRajRaj | SynrG: ^ |
| 17:51.00 | awal1 | anyone can reach https://tracker.debian.org & https://packages.qa.debian.org/common/index.html ? |
| 17:51.14 | RajRajRaj | this firefox sucks seriously |
| 17:51.25 | SynrG | RajRajRaj: what's in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ? anything? |
| 17:51.27 | RajRajRaj | its lagging way too much |
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| 17:53.45 | SynrG | RajRajRaj: you seem to have some stuff from ppa.launchpad.net that is broken. probably from a file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ since i don't see it in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:54.14 | SynrG | PPAs tend to be for ubuntu, not debian |
| 17:54.22 | RajRajRaj | oh |
| 17:54.29 | SynrG | you can't mix them onto a debian system. doing so will most likely break it. |
| 17:54.40 | RajRajRaj | i remove the ppa from file |
| 17:54.50 | SynrG | good idea :) |
| 17:55.27 | RajRajRaj | its not in file |
| 17:55.50 | RajRajRaj | where did u see ppa |
| 17:56.03 | SynrG | 13:46 < RajRajRaj> Err http://ppa.launchpad.net jessie/main amd64 Packages |
| 17:56.06 | SynrG | before you got kicked |
| 17:56.15 | SynrG | and i said: |
| 17:56.19 | SynrG | 13:51 < SynrG> RajRajRaj: what's in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ? anything? |
| 17:56.33 | SynrG | RajRajRaj: read closely. that's a directory. it's different from sources.list |
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| 17:56.54 | RajRajRaj | how to delete |
| 17:57.12 | SynrG | see if there are files in there. if there are, check what they contain |
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| 17:57.52 | SynrG | delete any files that contain nothing but broken deb lines |
| 17:58.00 | RajRajRaj | sorry bt where |
| 17:58.27 | SynrG | RajRajRaj: i told you. three times. i'm not telling you a fourth. |
| 17:58.45 | RajRajRaj | :( |
| 17:58.49 | TomTomTosch | inside the /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ directory. :) |
| 17:59.05 | RajRajRaj | its not there |
| 17:59.15 | outpox | awal1: the cinnamon version in jessie-backports is ~3.x so I installed it and I now have a taskbar on my 2nd screen :-) |
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| 17:59.42 | awal1 | outpox, ok |
| 17:59.44 | TomTomTosch | RajRajRaj: paste the output of ll /etc/apt/sources.list.d/; cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* |
| 18:00.00 | TomTomTosch | RajRajRaj: sorry, i mean ls -alF /etc/apt/sources.list.d/; cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* |
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| 18:01.02 | outpox | But I'll keep tint2 on my list, thanks for the suggestion |
| 18:02.06 | RajRajRaj | :/etc/apt/sources.list.d$ ls |
| 18:02.07 | RajRajRaj | linrunner-tlp-jessie.list |
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| 18:02.57 | TomTomTosch | so it is there. |
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| 18:04.09 | TomTomTosch | RajRajRaj: remove the broken lines from that file. run apt-get update afterwards. |
| 18:04.15 | awal1 | I tried cinnamon a few days ago, I haven't found any special "thing" on it |
| 18:04.29 | awal1 | it is just heavy |
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| 18:05.15 | tomcres | awal1: I installed it the other day from tasksel and was aghast at how many unnecessary applications it installed along with it. |
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| 18:05.55 | outpox | Well I'm just used to it since I used to use Mint |
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| 18:07.11 | awal1 | tomcres, true. cinnamon cinnamon cinnamon is great according to forums and it's users but I really haven't found anything interesting compared to other DE |
| 18:07.41 | awal1 | it uses adwaita, have a panel in the bottom by default, hot ccorners feature that's all |
| 18:08.51 | userro | How should I install certificates from other sources like CAcert in mono? what URL should I use for CAcert? ' mozroots --url <what URL should go in here>? |
| 18:08.53 | outpox | And I always disable hot corners :^) |
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| 18:09.43 | outpox | Thing is, I had never heard of tint2 before you mentioned it |
| 18:09.47 | tomcres | awal1: I just like it because it has the most KDE-like look and feel to it without being KDE. Plasma 5 is truly awful. But rather than try to uninstall all the extra crap it installed in the tasksel, I just did a clean install with MATE. :-D |
| 18:10.16 | Nematocyst | teraflops, pretty hairy trying to go back. lost X. no startx, no xinit... tried cinnamon software rendering, same problem. at least i discovered i do not need to reboot, only log out and back in. but too much stress trying to mess with video drivers |
| 18:11.09 | teraflops | Nematocyst: it looks like you gpu is older than an Ent |
| 18:11.14 | awal1 | tomcres, mate is nice yeah :) and it's themes, ported to gtk3 (stretch), are very polished |
| 18:12.06 | teraflops | Nematocyst: idk about nvidia GPUs? tried using nouveau? |
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| 18:13.19 | Nematocyst | teraflops, that is what i was attempting to achieve. lost X. i'm so glad that reinstalling nvidia-dkms or whatever restored what i had before, that i'm unwilling to try again. this problem is irritating, but not frequent, and not huge. i'll live with it rather than risk messing stuff up again |
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| 18:13.48 | RajRajRaj | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/FqTNxwKD/ |
| 18:14.01 | datasmurf | Hello, i just installed wordpress like apt-get update; apt-get install wordpress in debian jessie. Is that the latest? wordpress shows me 4.1? and wordpress website says latest is something 4.7.2? I'm confused. |
| 18:14.18 | RajRajRaj | i am lagging because of this stupidity in firefox :((((( SynrG |
| 18:14.38 | RajRajRaj | how the heck i quickly install a good browser, so that i can atleast talk in here |
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| 18:14.53 | RajRajRaj | i am not even able to install chrimium |
| 18:15.04 | SynrG | RajRajRaj: rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/inrunner-tlp-jessie.list |
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| 18:15.12 | userro | I'm getting this error https://imgur.com/ecTytFt |
| 18:15.15 | SynrG | RajRajRaj: then 'apt update'. |
| 18:15.29 | SynrG | RajRajRaj: rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/linrunner-tlp-jessie.list |
| 18:15.32 | SynrG | sorry, paste error |
| 18:15.35 | teraflops | Nematocyst: checked there was no blacklist nouveau hanging around in /etc/mod^whatever? |
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| 18:16.27 | SynrG | ,v wordpress |
| 18:16.28 | judd | Package: wordpress on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.6.1+dfsg-1~deb7u10; wheezy-security: 3.6.1+dfsg-1~deb7u12; jessie: 4.1+dfsg-1+deb8u11; jessie-security: 4.1+dfsg-1+deb8u11; jessie-backports: 4.6.1+dfsg-1~bpo8+2; stretch: 4.6.1+dfsg-1; sid: 4.7.1+dfsg-1; stretch: 4.7.1+dfsg-1 |
| 18:16.45 | SynrG | datasmurf: no, it's not. but jessie-backports has more recent, if you wish |
| 18:17.01 | SynrG | datasmurf: the version in jessie-security should patch known vulnerabilities in 4.1, however. |
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| 18:18.12 | userro | What should I do to fix this error https://imgur.com/ecTytFt? |
| 18:18.19 | userro | https://imgur.com/ecTytFt |
| 18:18.29 | RajRajRaj | SynrG: same error |
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| 18:19.39 | RajRajRaj | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/fdbwJgYY/irccloudcapture1684386635.jpg |
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| 18:20.14 | RajRajRaj | Sorry i cant do pastebin my firefox is bullshitting |
| 18:22.34 | userro | SynrG, it says I should install ca-certificates-mono to fix it but when I install it, it removes that package. I'm confused |
| 18:23.12 | TomTomTosch | RajRajRaj: you need to fix your /etc/apt/sources.list remove the deb cdrom line and make sure you have the three required lines |
| 18:23.21 | TomTomTosch | !jessie sources.list |
| 18:23.21 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 18:23.36 | RajRajRaj | TomTomTosch: ok |
| 18:23.49 | TomTomTosch | RajRajRaj: ^ you only need those three lines plus the jessie-backports line. |
| 18:24.27 | TomTomTosch | paste your sources.list once you are done editing if you are not sure. |
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| 18:29.45 | RajRajRaj | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/eOjxlbD1/irccloudcapture918128829.jpg |
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| 18:32.20 | TomTomTosch | you removed or commented out everything but the last four lines? |
| 18:32.42 | TomTomTosch | really... if you need to do screenshots with your phone, at least try to capture everything relevant... |
| 18:32.45 | RajRajRaj | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/zldaLUFg/irccloudcapture179389676.jpg |
| 18:33.11 | RajRajRaj | TomTomTosch: i commenterd out everything but last four |
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| 18:33.39 | RajRajRaj | Sorry i cant copy paste as firefox is acting bs now |
| 18:34.10 | `Kevin | you can do a pastebin with cat blah | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 18:34.12 | TomTomTosch | correct the security line... "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" |
| 18:34.18 | RajRajRaj | It seems it couldn't find the security website |
| 18:34.38 | TomTomTosch | because you failed at copypasting. |
| 18:35.01 | RajRajRaj | I literally tyeped it |
| 18:35.12 | RajRajRaj | Damn this irccliud sucks |
| 18:35.13 | TomTomTosch | correct it. |
| 18:35.49 | RajRajRaj | Oh so its / i typed - |
| 18:36.02 | RajRajRaj | Wait i get the same error |
| 18:36.07 | TomTomTosch | no, the url is wrong too.... |
| 18:37.16 | RajRajRaj | Ok no /debian after the url |
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| 18:37.45 | RajRajRaj | It's working now |
| 18:38.15 | RajRajRaj | Its asking me to run apt list --upgradable |
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| 18:38.45 | RajRajRaj | Shall i just try apt upgrade all |
| 18:38.50 | RajRajRaj | If that is valid |
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| 18:39.57 | RajRajRaj | `Kevin: thanks :) |
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| 18:40.11 | RajRajRaj | TomTomTosch: thanks really |
| 18:40.59 | RajRajRaj | Now i gotta stop heating problem |
| 18:41.57 | hubot | Hi! |
| 18:42.01 | hubot | Can anyone help me? |
| 18:42.03 | hubot | http://paste.asie.pl/t6RQ |
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| 18:44.43 | RajRajRaj | SynrG: hi, i updated and and upgraded. Now how do i stop the heating problem |
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| 18:45.07 | SynrG | RajRajRaj: my suggestion was to upgrade both your nvidia-driver and kernel from jessie-backports. |
| 18:45.07 | RajRajRaj | Should i justi install nvidia-drivers |
| 18:45.17 | RajRajRaj | How do i do thst |
| 18:45.19 | SynrG | i don't know. you can try one thing at a time. |
| 18:45.35 | SynrG | apt -t jessie-backports install linux-image-amd64 |
| 18:45.45 | SynrG | apt -t jessie-backports install nvidia-driver |
| 18:45.50 | RajRajRaj | Oh ok |
| 18:45.57 | RajRajRaj | Let me try |
| 18:46.34 | RajRajRaj | SynrG: pleae tell me how to add those three dvd too |
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| 18:48.26 | RajRajRaj | i have them at /root/Desktop/ https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/OxQfbtMu/irccloudcapture600286695.jpg |
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| 18:48.49 | RajRajRaj | How do i add packages from them |
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| 18:51.45 | somiaj | RajRajRaj: mount the iso or directory with a loopback, and use apt-cdrom to scan for packages. |
| 18:52.02 | somiaj | RajRajRaj: man apt-cdrom for more info |
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| 18:53.04 | somiaj | RajRajRaj: if you have a good network connection, you shoudln't need to install from the dvd images. |
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| 18:53.18 | SynrG | exactly my advice earlier. "most people install from the network" |
| 18:53.29 | SynrG | and i had asked RajRajRaj if they had a good network and they said yes |
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| 18:53.56 | tomcres | also the DVD images are slightly out of date compared to the network. the network has updated packages. |
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| 18:54.49 | `Kevin | ^ |
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| 18:55.17 | `Kevin | RajRajRaj: if you just got apt network sources working why would you be using isos |
| 18:55.20 | dwarfmut | guys, somebody use wanna-build ? |
| 18:55.31 | somiaj | !somebody |
| 18:55.32 | dpkg | somebody is probably a person , who has a body |
| 18:55.34 | somiaj | !anybody |
| 18:55.35 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 18:55.58 | dwarfmut | in local environment for build deb packages? |
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| 18:57.54 | RajRajRaj | `Kevin: because i assume it has all packages |
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| 18:58.10 | RajRajRaj | somiaj: how do i mount in loopback |
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| 18:58.31 | `Kevin | smh |
| 18:58.31 | somiaj | RajRajRaj: the internet has all the packages (and all the security and bug fixes with them) |
| 18:58.45 | SynrG | RajRajRaj: your assumption is wrong. "it has all packages at the time the DVD image was made" <- doesn't have all packages that you need, if security vulnerabilities have been fixed |
| 18:58.49 | somiaj | RajRajRaj: if you have a good network connection, it is not worth trying to set your system up to install from the dvd images. |
| 18:59.01 | SynrG | exactly |
| 18:59.16 | SynrG | RajRajRaj: it's not a productive use of our time to pursue this any further. |
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| 18:59.45 | RajRajRaj | SynrG: i dont have internet connection all the time |
| 19:00.01 | RajRajRaj | Is why i want those packages from dvd |
| 19:00.04 | RajRajRaj | -_- |
| 19:00.25 | SynrG | RajRajRaj: but do you really want to install a package with vulnerabilities? just wait until you get on the network again |
| 19:00.43 | SynrG | RajRajRaj: how often are you so deeply offline for such an extended period of time that you can't wait? |
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| 19:01.43 | RajRajRaj | For 6 months i may not have good internet connection |
| 19:01.52 | RajRajRaj | Only 15kbps |
| 19:01.56 | SynrG | ah. you didn't share this before when i asked :) |
| 19:01.58 | RajRajRaj | B |
| 19:02.07 | somiaj | RajRajRaj: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/86660/how-can-the-debian-dvd-iso-file-be-used-to-install-software-without-a-cd-drive |
| 19:02.09 | RajRajRaj | Currently i had |
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| 19:02.16 | RajRajRaj | Hence i consumed it |
| 19:02.49 | `Kevin | 15Kb !? |
| 19:03.00 | SynrG | in the jungle, i guess? |
| 19:03.16 | somiaj | thuogh the advise there may not be as easy to convert to your images, if you use apt-cdrom as I suggested it will add the required sources.list for you |
| 19:06.15 | DeaDSouL | I have 128GB ram... I notice only 5~6GB is being used.. can I tell linux to use as much is it needs in exchange of getting some performance ? is there some kernel tweaks or parameters I can play with in order to achieve this? |
| 19:06.33 | somiaj | !free memory |
| 19:06.33 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
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| 19:07.02 | somiaj | DeaDSouL: it should be doing that already, it could just be you aren't doing enough disk i/o that you are starting to use up cache, but over time the cache will use as much ram as there is avialable. |
| 19:07.48 | `Kevin | ^ |
| 19:07.49 | somiaj | DeaDSouL: if you are wanting to load a lot of stuff into memory at boot to increase performance that is another issue, and this may depend on what you want to load into boot, or maybe just run a live system an drun your os from memory. |
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| 19:07.57 | RajRajRaj | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:08.01 | RajRajRaj | `Kevin: ty |
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| 19:08.23 | RajRajRaj | I am waiting for system to respond |
| 19:08.28 | RajRajRaj | Its hanged though |
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| 19:08.50 | RajRajRaj | After this i must stoo this stupid over heating |
| 19:08.51 | SynrG | RajRajRaj: what were you doing before that happened? |
| 19:08.56 | RajRajRaj | Stop* |
| 19:09.06 | SynrG | i mean, is it in the middle of installing stuff? |
| 19:09.13 | RajRajRaj | Plugged in a hdd |
| 19:09.29 | SynrG | USB hdd? |
| 19:09.35 | RajRajRaj | Yes |
| 19:09.51 | DeaDSouL | somiaj: sounds good idea to test... what can I load at boot? yet still can save things,updates ..etc on disk |
| 19:10.00 | RajRajRaj | In the middle of upgrade |
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| 19:10.46 | somiaj | DeaDSouL: I'm unsure on the details here, but this is a common thing windows does. During boot it will say load the webbrowser into memory, so when you open it, it pops up quickly (because it was already loaded in memory) |
| 19:10.50 | RajRajRaj | Is there a way like alt ctrl del key to get rid of this |
| 19:10.58 | n4dir | You could give preload a try |
| 19:11.00 | SynrG | RajRajRaj: in the middle of the upgrade you plugged in a USB hdd, and then it hung? |
| 19:11.12 | RajRajRaj | Yes |
| 19:11.13 | n4dir | DeaDSouL but i can't say much more about it. |
| 19:11.15 | somiaj | DeaDSouL: I recall seeing an example of doing this with firefox back in the day on linux, but in genreal linux is not configured to load common apps into memory at boot. |
| 19:11.20 | SynrG | RajRajRaj: generally it's not a good idea to reboot in the middle of an upgrade. |
| 19:11.25 | SynrG | things could go very badly for you |
| 19:11.32 | RajRajRaj | I didnt reboot |
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| 19:11.44 | SynrG | what were you upgrading? the whole system or just a specific package? |
| 19:11.46 | RajRajRaj | Its a usb hdd, like external harddisk |
| 19:11.52 | somiaj | DeaDSouL: note this will increase boot/load time initial, but speed up launch time of apps you use regurally. |
| 19:11.57 | RajRajRaj | Apt upgrade |
| 19:11.57 | apt | Upgrading is easy! Go that way, really fast. If something gets in your way, turn. |
| 19:12.11 | SynrG | RajRajRaj: a lot of packages? |
| 19:12.28 | RajRajRaj | Around 140 i guess |
| 19:12.45 | `Kevin | ^likely iso -> network package upgrades :| |
| 19:12.46 | SynrG | RajRajRaj: how far did it get? was it still downloading, or did it start unpacking, installing and configuring? |
| 19:12.49 | RajRajRaj | How do i get rid of this |
| 19:12.56 | SynrG | RajRajRaj: don't be hasty |
| 19:12.57 | DeaDSouL | n4dir: yeah, I tried it.. didn't really feel that much of difference |
| 19:13.01 | RajRajRaj | It was on 137 |
| 19:13.03 | DeaDSouL | somiaj: thanks :) |
| 19:13.05 | somiaj | DeaDSouL: a live system is just a very extreme case of this, it loads the whole os into memeory. |
| 19:13.11 | SynrG | RajRajRaj: 137 downloaded? |
| 19:13.17 | RajRajRaj | Yes |
| 19:13.18 | n4dir | neither for me, DeaDSouL , i only wanted to mention it |
| 19:13.26 | SynrG | RajRajRaj: if it was only just downloading when it hung, it should be safe to reboot |
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| 19:13.43 | SynrG | RajRajRaj: is the reboot option of your window manager accessible, or is the system entirely locked up? |
| 19:13.51 | DeaDSouL | somiaj: I'll try a live image.. just to see does it worth it |
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| 19:13.53 | SynrG | if it won't respond to keys or mouse, long-press the poewr. |
| 19:13.55 | RajRajRaj | Ok, but isnt there a hot key or something |
| 19:13.57 | SynrG | poewr* |
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| 19:14.00 | SynrG | power* |
| 19:14.17 | RajRajRaj | Mouse is moving |
| 19:14.23 | `Kevin | DeaDSouL: you likely wont notice much of a difference unless you notice a fair amount of disk i/o when doing things |
| 19:14.32 | `Kevin | DeaDSouL: in which case things indeed are not yet in ram |
| 19:14.34 | RajRajRaj | Brightness key works |
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| 19:14.55 | SynrG | RajRajRaj: but xorg may have crashed |
| 19:14.56 | RajRajRaj | Its just that i cant do anything on screen |
| 19:15.03 | SynrG | ctrl-alt-f1? |
| 19:15.12 | fearnothing | hi, I'm trying to figure out where curl is getting its proxy setting from |
| 19:15.23 | RajRajRaj | Mouse gone |
| 19:15.26 | SynrG | if that gets you to a text console, you can login as root and do an orderly shutdown |
| 19:15.32 | greycat | Most likely the http_proxy environment variable, if anything. |
| 19:15.34 | RajRajRaj | After pressing alt Ctrl f1 |
| 19:15.37 | n4dir | isn't systemd putting the GUI on F1, SynrG? if so rather Alt2 |
| 19:15.41 | n4dir | ups F2 |
| 19:15.47 | SynrG | don't know |
| 19:15.53 | somiaj | DeaDSouL: one thing is live system may not load everything into memeory at boot, but there may be a way to force it if you hvae enough memeory -- But unsure on the details... |
| 19:15.58 | SynrG | RajRajRaj: try ctrl-alt-f2 as n4dir suggests |
| 19:15.58 | fearnothing | I set proxies on all my boxes a while back including the host running squid - just now realised that curl through squid on localhost isn't working, and need to remove the proxy setting |
| 19:16.05 | n4dir | me neither. trying a few of F1 F2 F3 etc won't hurt |
| 19:16.12 | fearnothing | it's not in .bashrc or /etc/profile.d |
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| 19:16.18 | fearnothing | any other ideas? |
| 19:16.19 | SynrG | for me, Xorg is still on f7 as per tradition |
| 19:16.23 | RajRajRaj | Ok |
| 19:16.37 | RajRajRaj | Black screen |
| 19:16.45 | RajRajRaj | I must force shutdown |
| 19:16.48 | SynrG | RajRajRaj: if you can get to a console login prompt, you can login to a text console. try ctrl-alt-f2 |
| 19:16.52 | SynrG | or f3 |
| 19:16.53 | SynrG | etc |
| 19:16.55 | greycat | Check whether it's set in your environment, not where you think your environment might come from. |
| 19:17.03 | RajRajRaj | I did force shutdown |
| 19:17.08 | SynrG | fair enough |
| 19:17.15 | SynrG | might want to leave it off for a while to cool |
| 19:17.19 | greycat | If it's not an environment variable, then read "man curl" and see where else it can be specified, or ask #curl. |
| 19:17.24 | DeaDSouL | I see... have you ever read anything that explains the basics of how to do it? may be a known url or something? |
| 19:17.26 | habs | hi, I'm trying to dist-upgrade from jessie to stretch on my Thinkpad x200 with full-disk encryption, but when I do "sudo dpkg --configure -a" I get this error "dpkg: error: error installing new file '/var/lib/dpkg/status': No space left on device" However I do have space left because this is the output of my "df -h": http://sprunge.us/BfWi What can I do to debug / fix this? |
| 19:17.39 | RajRajRaj | I want to stop this over heating |
| 19:17.41 | RajRajRaj | -_- |
| 19:17.46 | RajRajRaj | I restarted |
| 19:17.46 | fearnothing | greycat - it is set in environment variables |
| 19:17.54 | RajRajRaj | This is really bad |
| 19:18.04 | SynrG | RajRajRaj: so you haven't gotten yet to installing the new kernel & nvidia driver from jessie-backports? |
| 19:18.13 | RajRajRaj | No |
| 19:18.20 | RajRajRaj | Its lagging badly |
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| 19:18.42 | laurus | Will Wayland be supported on Debian Stretch? |
| 19:18.48 | SynrG | RajRajRaj: it's probably not using the right driver because jessie doesn't have support for your GPU |
| 19:19.11 | SynrG | RajRajRaj: so it may be falling back to something much slower |
| 19:19.21 | RajRajRaj | Hmmm |
| 19:19.45 | SynrG | laurus: "bits of wayland" are in stretch. i haven't heard that it will be complete in stretch though, no. |
| 19:19.47 | somiaj | laurus: in parts, it still isn't fully ready, but is there as a techonology preview and I think gnome can use it in case. |
| 19:19.49 | zykotick9 | habs: do you also have a /boot partition not in that paste? also verifiy "df -i" isn't full. |
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| 19:20.16 | SynrG | laurus: but upstream's implementation of wayland isn't finished, is what i understand, so this isn't debian's fault :p |
| 19:20.17 | laurus | Oh OK. Got it! Well, I'll ask the same question in another 2-3 years I suppose ;) |
| 19:20.18 | RajRajRaj | Let it upgrade |
| 19:20.26 | SynrG | laurus: unless you like pain, probably steer clear :) |
| 19:20.35 | laurus | Thanks for the information. |
| 19:20.42 | laurus | By the way, hi somiaj, didn't expect to see you here :) |
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| 19:21.17 | SynrG | RajRajRaj: if it's Xorg that's crashing you might consider shutting that down and just logging into a text console instead if you can |
| 19:21.22 | SynrG | could keep things more stable for the upgrade |
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| 19:21.48 | habs | zykotick9: That paste was the full output of my 'df -i'. I have libreboot installed so the entire disk is encrypted including /boot. My 'df -i' isn't close to full yet either: http://sprunge.us/VQhQ Do you have any ideas as to what this could be? |
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| 19:23.42 | zykotick9 | habs: hehe, i run libreboot as well :) sorry, i've got no suggestions. best of luck. |
| 19:23.57 | RajRajRaj | SynrG: its doing the upgrade |
| 19:24.03 | RajRajRaj | Its ok :) |
| 19:24.14 | RajRajRaj | Not touching it |
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| 19:25.51 | fearnothing | how can I find where the environment variable is being set? |
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| 19:27.12 | RajRajRaj | I would want to take the backup afyer this process |
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| 19:28.40 | tp43_ | Hi, I prefer to use chromium over FF esr, its much faster. But I have a problem with both. Chromium crashes and I have to restart my whole system. FF loses internet connection and I have restart my router. Restarting router is definitely less annoying than restarting debian, but I wonder, what happens when I restart that refreshes chromium that if instead I can perform that action without restarting, then I am golden. |
| 19:28.55 | n4dir | fearnothing: you did look in ~/.profile too? i would probably grep for it in the users home and in etc |
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| 19:31.16 | greycat | A browser crashing on machine A should not force you to restart router machine B. That makes no sense at all. |
| 19:31.25 | jelly | fearnothing: which particular env.var.? Did you look at /etc/environment and /etc/default/locale ? |
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| 19:32.48 | RajRajRaj | -t option is not known |
| 19:33.09 | RajRajRaj | White apt -t ... |
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| 19:33.54 | RajRajRaj | SynrG: |
| 19:34.45 | jelly | do avoid highlighting people without telling them anything in the same line, RajRajRaj |
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| 19:34.54 | ompaul | RajRajRaj: why are you mixing wheezy and jessie sources? |
| 19:35.10 | TomTomTosch | show us the whole command! |
| 19:35.31 | RajRajRaj | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/CXWv5mIy/irccloudcapture74358084.jpg |
| 19:35.39 | tp43_ | greycat, I know I know, and yet that coincidence has happenned |
| 19:35.48 | CrazyTux | how can we get Debian stable work on new laptops with latest hardware resources? |
| 19:36.13 | RajRajRaj | The command 00:15:35 <SynrG> apt -t jessie-backports install linux-image-amd64 |
| 19:36.26 | RajRajRaj | ompaul: coz my laptop is heating |
| 19:36.40 | RajRajRaj | I want it to stop heating up unnecessarily |
| 19:36.46 | tp43_ | greycat, the browser goes through the router. FF protects system but the router suffers, Chromium accepts it through browser and crashes system. Maybe, maybe? |
| 19:36.52 | greycat | CrazyTux: you can try it. You can try it with a backported kernel. |
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| 19:37.08 | TomTomTosch | RajRajRaj: i don't want to see what SýnrG wrote, i want to see exactly what you typed into the command line. |
| 19:37.08 | CrazyTux | ok |
| 19:37.10 | tp43_ | greycat, primewire you know |
| 19:37.16 | somiaj | CrazyTux: debian provides newer kernel and firmware (and some xorg drivers) for newer hardware. But without more info on the hardware might be hard to say if it works. |
| 19:37.19 | ompaul | RajRajRaj: so you choose the latest - you add in firmware and and you restart |
| 19:37.36 | ompaul | RajRajRaj: generally that is useful but I see platic coating in front of screen |
| 19:37.38 | ompaul | why? |
| 19:37.47 | somiaj | CrazyTux: there are some cavets, and one is you have to be able to install on the 3.16 kernel, and then upgrade to the newer kernel, so if the hardware cannot run/boot on 3.16 it becomes a far more difficult problem. |
| 19:37.53 | ompaul | that is not good for it |
| 19:38.02 | CrazyTux | ok. I have an Asus laptop. X540L model. |
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| 19:38.16 | tp43_ | there is a new window system coming soon, forget what it is called, but I read something when I was reading about opengl, the windowing system used with it. |
| 19:38.22 | greycat | wayland? |
| 19:38.30 | somiaj | CrazyTux: usually th einstall is okay, it is video and network drivers that tend to need the newer kernel/firmware |
| 19:38.36 | CrazyTux | It has 4 gbs of RAM and runs on i3 2.0 Ghz cpu. |
| 19:38.37 | tp43_ | greycat, sounds right, I think |
| 19:38.57 | greycat | CrazyTux: video and wifi/ethernet chipsets are usually the tricky parts |
| 19:39.08 | CrazyTux | ok |
| 19:39.53 | CrazyTux | I have installed Debian stable on my old 32 bit laptop. I really liked the stability of Debian. |
| 19:40.10 | fearnothing | n4dir, jelly: already checked ~/.profile, and it's not in /etc/environment or /etc/default/locale |
| 19:40.13 | tp43_ | greycat, mesa |
| 19:40.35 | RajRajRaj | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Bqv7ksDp/irccloudcapture-18474449.jpg |
| 19:40.35 | greycat | !mesa |
| 19:40.35 | dpkg | Mesa 3D is an open source implementation of the <OpenGL> API. http://mesa3d.org/ #dri-devel on irc.freenode.net. See also <glx>. |
| 19:40.47 | jelly | fearnothing: which particular env.var.? |
| 19:40.54 | fearnothing | oh sorry, thought I already said |
| 19:40.59 | fearnothing | http_proxy, and https_proxy |
| 19:41.00 | RajRajRaj | TomTomTosch: is this ok? |
| 19:41.17 | n4dir | fearnothing: well, try grep. I don't fool much with environment variables |
| 19:41.48 | TomTomTosch | RajRajRaj: no, you again faild copying. please check what you do. |
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| 19:42.32 | RajRajRaj | O.O |
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| 19:42.43 | greycat | fearnothing: so the question now is "where did this https_proxy variable come from, which I can see in my interactive ___ shell in a ___ terminal" ... well, there are a shitload of dot files that get read by the full suite of login/shell/display manager/desktop environment/... software. |
| 19:43.10 | RajRajRaj | Gosh |
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| 19:43.25 | RajRajRaj | Sorry, but hey it should give proper error mesage |
| 19:43.33 | greycat | Debian's version of bash *alone* reads /etc/profile /etc/bash.bashrc ~/.bash_profile ~/.bash_login ~/.profile and ~/.bashrc and that's just the BUILT IN files, not counting anything that those files choose to dot in. |
| 19:43.53 | RajRajRaj | What kinda messge is -t not known when there is problem with some other words |
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| 19:44.26 | fearnothing | aha, found it greycat :) thank you |
| 19:44.34 | fearnothing | ./etc/bash.bashrc |
| 19:44.45 | n4dir | ta-da |
| 19:44.52 | RajRajRaj | Anyway |
| 19:45.04 | RajRajRaj | TomTomTosch: thanks a lot :) |
| 19:45.08 | greycat | Wnoever put that in your /etc/bash.bashrc is a horrible sys admin and you should make sure they do not get the new root password after you change it and lock them out of sudoers. |
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| 19:45.56 | fearnothing | well, that would make life difficult for me |
| 19:45.59 | RajRajRaj | 40 min |
| 19:46.01 | fearnothing | in my defence, this is my home lab |
| 19:46.11 | fearnothing | can you say what the appropriate place is? |
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| 19:46.18 | zykotick9 | hehe |
| 19:46.22 | jelly | RajRajRaj: it does give a proper message, in stretch. The "apt" command is new in jessie and still in flux. |
| 19:46.36 | greycat | Your personal ~/.profile or whatever your login reads, if you think you really need to do such a thing to your account. |
| 19:46.38 | RajRajRaj | Ok |
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| 19:48.20 | greycat | If you log in through a display manager instead of a shell, read https://wiki.debian.org/EnvironmentVariables and/or https://wiki.debian.org/Xsession |
| 19:48.59 | fearnothing | no, all ssh |
| 19:49.30 | greycat | Then it's easy. Use ~/.profile or ~/.bash_profile |
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| 20:05.37 | DeaDSouL | is this true? "using swap with SSDs can cause issues with hardware degradation over time." from https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-add-swap-on-centos-6 |
| 20:06.35 | jelly | DeaDSouL: it can be. If your workload needs more RAM, buy more RAM. |
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| 20:07.34 | DeaDSouL | jelly: it's better to disable swap on SSD.. |
| 20:07.53 | jelly | DeaDSouL: no, it's better to buy more RAM |
| 20:08.31 | DeaDSouL | jelly: say I get more ram. should I let the swap enabled or disable it |
| 20:08.34 | jelly | if you're not swapping _all the time_ then you won't exceeds your SSD's daily and total writes |
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| 20:08.57 | jelly | so you will be able to enjoy occasional swapping without killing your ssd |
| 20:09.05 | frNCs_Rf | Hey, can you help me? I had a primary partition where i had win10, but since win10 sux i wanted to install win7. I've specified to install win7 on my win10 partition, but now my extended partition with debian is shown as unallocated, except swap (basically all partition with ext4 are shown as unallocated). Then I ran testdisk, but partitions are |
| 20:09.05 | frNCs_Rf | contrassigned with "D". The only thing i've done was formatting swap to ext4. Is there a way to recover my ext4 partition with debian? |
| 20:09.53 | Wizard | xfce++ |
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| 20:12.52 | DeaDSouL | jelly: does this apply to NVMe too? |
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| 20:13.43 | Nematocyst | frNCs_Rf, i don't know how to solve the problem. but my recommendation is to back up what you have now. it would really suck if it's recoverable, but trying some intermediate measure messes it up further. hopefully it's just the partition table. |
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| 20:14.20 | jelly | DeaDSouL: don't see why it wouldn't |
| 20:17.06 | DeaDSouL | jelly: i get the feeling that nothing like the mechanical drives :P .. the only issue it has.. it's slow |
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| 20:18.56 | DeaDSouL | aw, thanks |
| 20:19.19 | frNCs_Rf | Nematocyst: the probolem is that there are some files marked in red which means they are unrecoverable. I hope formatting swap to ext4 didn't do the trick. I can reinstall it but inside there were lots of files like 4 android roma sources plus lots of packages regarding developement, photos, various files... If the home dir was at least ok, i would reinstall |
| 20:19.19 | frNCs_Rf | the system wothout problems |
| 20:19.52 | frNCs_Rf | And windows really sux, that's not fair from microsoft side |
| 20:20.55 | jelly | frNCs_Rf: go talk to a professional data recovery company if you have the only copy of valuable data there, but first create an image of the whole disk on a second device |
| 20:21.21 | frNCs_Rf | Wut? |
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| 20:22.59 | jelly | if your files are worth a lot of money, don't try to fix things yourself as it's possible to make things even worse |
| 20:23.34 | frNCs_Rf | It isn't for money, it is for time |
| 20:23.35 | jelly | and make a backup of the whole disk before doing _any_ recovery or writes |
| 20:23.40 | jelly | time is money. |
| 20:23.47 | frNCs_Rf | Sure :D |
| 20:25.30 | frNCs_Rf | I was just looking for a way to recover my files, and when there is a source tree like android one, we can't look in any file and see if it is damaged. Just want to see if it is the partition table corrupted or if it has deleted the whole partitions |
| 20:26.55 | wingnut | can you hard write protect the disc ? |
| 20:27.11 | frNCs_Rf | Wat? |
| 20:27.23 | frNCs_Rf | Why protectef? |
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| 20:28.27 | frNCs_Rf | Yes there is a hdd password set on bios for it before boot, if you meant that |
| 20:28.44 | wingnut | good enough start |
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| 20:29.13 | wingnut | you can boot with a live cd rom and inspect the disc |
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| 20:29.30 | frNCs_Rf | Yes tried with testdisk |
| 20:29.31 | sorge | ker |
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| 20:30.33 | frNCs_Rf | It shows D (deleted) but there are some files but others are marked as red |
| 20:31.14 | wingnut | so you are looking for a more sofisticated recovery tool ? |
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| 20:31.47 | wingnut | sophisticated :D |
| 20:32.41 | frNCs_Rf | Hmm maybe |
| 20:32.53 | frNCs_Rf | If it is a bug |
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| 20:33.09 | frNCs_Rf | It should be recoverable |
| 20:33.37 | frNCs_Rf | I've only formatted swap as ext4 after the "destruction" |
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| 20:35.44 | wingnut | what was "the destruction" ? |
| 20:35.59 | RajRajRaj | Should i restart after installing nvidia drivers |
| 20:36.31 | choice | Is it possible to configure wireshark to capture only the IP addresses my computer sends data to? All I want is a list IP adresses. |
| 20:36.37 | somiaj | RajRajRaj: that is the easist approach, and you have to if the nouveau kms module is loaded. |
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| 20:36.48 | frNCs_Rf | wingnut: installing win which caused this problem |
| 20:37.44 | RajRajRaj | choice: yeah it is |
| 20:37.47 | RajRajRaj | Thanks :) |
| 20:37.51 | RajRajRaj | somiaj: |
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| 20:38.27 | choice | RajRajRaj: How? |
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| 20:38.53 | RajRajRaj | choice: sorry wrong user |
| 20:39.03 | RajRajRaj | I was talking to somiaj |
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| 20:40.12 | wingnut | frNCs_Rf: win ? wt* is that ? |
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| 20:40.58 | frNCs_Rf | Win = windows which in my case is 7 |
| 20:41.26 | wingnut | i see |
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| 20:42.15 | wingnut | am i on the wrong channel ? this is debian ? |
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| 20:43.32 | somiaj | yes this is #debian, a support channel for unversial operating system. |
| 20:43.33 | frNCs_Rf | It damaged debian ext4 partition and i'm running testdisk which is in debiam |
| 20:43.56 | somiaj | testdisk? have you tried to fsck the filesystem form a live/recvoery image |
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| 20:46.04 | frNCs_Rf | No |
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| 20:46.30 | choice | I would like to create a list of all IPs my computer exchanges data with. Any ideas how to go about it? |
| 20:46.50 | frNCs_Rf | And how can i do that if in the partition table it is shown as unallocated? |
| 20:46.56 | n4dir | choice: try this https://ask.wireshark.org/questions/18300/capture-or-filter-only-sent-tx-traffic and if it doesn't work, then just use a searchengine |
| 20:47.15 | somiaj | frNCs_Rf: oh it was more than the file system? In that case you may have to do recovery as has been suggested. |
| 20:47.35 | somiaj | choice: there are also just normal network monintor tools that can get this info |
| 20:47.45 | choice | somiaj: Which one for example? |
| 20:48.16 | somiaj | choice: iptraft, and many more, but most do more than just keep track of the ip, they keep track of other info, not sure which one can easily only give you ips |
| 20:48.44 | RajRajRaj | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/PBZFL0Ro/irccloudcapture1236031233.jpg |
| 20:48.48 | RajRajRaj | :( |
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| 20:49.29 | somiaj | choice: type 'last' |
| 20:49.42 | somiaj | choice: nevermind, that is only users who have loged in |
| 20:49.53 | RajRajRaj | Initially it said, failed to start load kernel modules |
| 20:49.56 | RajRajRaj | Damn it |
| 20:50.17 | RajRajRaj | help https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/kRj7rDwO/irccloudcapture-632884965.jpg |
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| 20:50.56 | somiaj | choice: you can use iptables to log address, you can use netstat to see all ipaddress, etc |
| 20:50.57 | frNCs_Rf | somiaj: maybe it's only the partition table |
| 20:51.00 | RajRajRaj | Why r u talking to choice? |
| 20:51.52 | RajRajRaj | Oh he asked a question |
| 20:51.52 | RajRajRaj | What do i do, i am in trouble now |
| 20:51.52 | RajRajRaj | Oh he asked a question |
| 20:52.04 | RajRajRaj | I did exactly what was asked for |
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| 20:52.57 | somiaj | frNCs_Rf: sometimes you can recreate the partition table and if you recreate it exactly the same you can then access the filesystems, but you are in a recovery mode, unsure what is the best suggestion for you |
| 20:53.36 | frNCs_Rf | Im on cd |
| 20:53.42 | frNCs_Rf | Gparted live |
| 20:54.13 | wingnut | with write-protection ? |
| 20:54.21 | wingnut | enabled! |
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| 20:54.34 | frNCs_Rf | The cd? |
| 20:54.39 | wingnut | the hd |
| 20:54.43 | frNCs_Rf | No |
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| 20:54.47 | wingnut | oh |
| 20:54.54 | frNCs_Rf | Or yes |
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| 20:55.15 | RajRajRaj | Can someone pleaee help |
| 20:55.21 | frNCs_Rf | After mount i can write in partitions, so i think no |
| 20:55.28 | frNCs_Rf | RajRajRaj: no |
| 20:55.30 | RajRajRaj | My Debian installation just got ruined |
| 20:55.37 | frNCs_Rf | Mine too |
| 20:55.45 | RajRajRaj | TomTomTosch: you there? |
| 20:56.07 | RajRajRaj | I restarted the system and it doenst even let me log in now |
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| 20:57.16 | frNCs_Rf | I also had a gentoo partition, but details :D |
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| 20:57.47 | wingnut | frNCs_Rf: did you try to install windows7 onto a disk that was partitioned for linux ? |
| 20:58.11 | frNCs_Rf | wingnut: no |
| 20:58.33 | frNCs_Rf | I formatted win partition and selected it for install |
| 20:58.48 | frNCs_Rf | And im not the only who got that problwm |
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| 20:59.17 | frNCs_Rf | https://encrypted.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=&ved=0ahUKEwiRuZqejePRAhUDUhQKHfwxBjUQFggZMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fubuntuforums.org%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D1154829&usg=AFQjCNHwAW8irFrPrZQMFwFHuFnEk6d6bQ |
| 20:59.24 | frNCs_Rf | For example |
| 20:59.30 | RajRajRaj | wth is that? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/8m8zZSUE/irccloudcapture-565630787.jpg |
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| 20:59.45 | frNCs_Rf | Ehm, https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1154829 |
| 21:00.04 | wingnut | so this channel does actually offer support for windows as well .. eg: universal support ? |
| 21:00.29 | wingnut | !rules |
| 21:00.30 | dpkg | 1) Don't ask to ask. Just state your problem, 2) Don't repeat until 10 mins after, 3) Read and re-read the docs first, then admit it if you REALLY don't understand. You're wasting your time and ours if you haven't at least tried. 4) If your problem ain't solved, come back in 12 hrs or 24 hrs later. We're very international. 5) Be polite and patient. 6) #debian supports only Debian (see <based on debian>) |
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| 21:01.03 | frNCs_Rf | wingnut: no, its of debian my problem |
| 21:01.08 | frNCs_Rf | Win* |
| 21:01.17 | frNCs_Rf | But it deleted debian |
| 21:01.28 | frNCs_Rf | And i want to recover on debian |
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| 21:02.37 | wingnut | frNCs_Rf: because i cannot help you i will idle for a while to see what goes |
| 21:03.16 | frNCs_Rf | Yeah, np (: |
| 21:03.24 | frNCs_Rf | Yeah, np (: |
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| 21:07.30 | wingnut | I have a debian question: how come xorg on debian works better than all other distros I have tried ? |
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| 21:18.25 | awal1 | wingnut, bcoz software is well tested before it goes into stable branch |
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| 21:21.23 | kryl | hi, |
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| 21:22.03 | kryl | I have a conflict problem : mariadb-server-10.0 conflicts with mysql-server-core-5.5 |
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| 21:25.30 | wingnut | awal1: please allow me to explain a little more .. it is a little off-topic but that seems to be ok here |
| 21:26.17 | wingnut | i have a number of VMs, all linux, running under hyper-v |
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| 21:26.47 | RajRajRaj | Kernell is not loading please he |
| 21:26.56 | wingnut | the main are: Arch, CentOS, Debain8, Gentoo, Fedora and Ubuntu |
| 21:27.43 | wingnut | i ssh into them all and forward X11 to my desktop (running linux mint 17.2) |
| 21:27.59 | wingnut | then i run firefox on the remote host |
| 21:27.59 | RajRajRaj | Ok so,? |
| 21:28.24 | wingnut | the *only* one that works properly is debian8 |
| 21:28.42 | wingnut | all the others work but they are so slow as to be useless |
| 21:29.06 | wingnut | so what do debian do to X to make it work ? |
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| 21:30.24 | wingnut | or rather .. work so well ? |
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| 21:31.43 | wingnut | it is a mystery .. :) |
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| 21:33.37 | tp43_ | wingnut, why are you running so many linux' |
| 21:33.37 | awal1 | wingnut, I don't know what to tell you. debian focuses in stability vs other OS's, long testing period before stable release /experimental ---» unstable ---» testing ----» stable) |
| 21:34.23 | wingnut | tp43_: i run test for FOSS |
| 21:34.44 | wingnut | awal1: they do a very thorough job |
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| 21:36.50 | epsilon | awal1: did you mean: vanilla -> arch -> ubuntu -> debian :) |
| 21:37.08 | awal1 | heh? |
| 21:37.38 | wingnut | :) |
| 21:38.26 | awal1 | oh, lol, got it :D :P |
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| 21:39.51 | tp43_ | wingnut, all linux' are based on two main branches Debian & Red Hat except...? |
| 21:40.51 | wingnut | yep yep |
| 21:41.18 | Digz | Slackware? |
| 21:41.34 | tp43_ | Mint? |
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| 21:41.46 | Digz | Mint is debian/ubuntu based |
| 21:41.48 | wingnut | what was that linux "pink spots with yellow dots on" ? |
| 21:43.03 | tp43_ | Digital, I think you right, Slackware. Its the only one? |
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| 21:45.14 | Digz | tp43_: SUSE |
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| 21:47.31 | tp43_ | Digz, suse is rpm based |
| 21:48.40 | Digz | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Linux_Distribution_Timeline.svg -- there you have it all..... make the image large. :) |
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| 21:49.17 | Digz | Seems that SUSE is a fork of Slackware, but they are probably so different now. |
| 21:49.55 | Digz | Gentoo (Enoch) seems to have its own tree too |
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| 21:51.23 | epsilon | Digz: oh an updated version... knw only the old one |
| 21:52.26 | awal1 | my laptop keyboard have < and > but my external keyboard doesn't have them, so I have to press Alt-R + x and I get » ; Alt-L + z and I get « . How to make my external keyboard get < and > when pressing those keys (alt-r +x/z)? |
| 21:53.15 | wingnut | Digz: nice pic thanks |
| 21:53.34 | awal1 | It's almost for accomplish with standards with Word format at school/work |
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| 21:54.47 | awal1 | lsusb: Bus 003 Device 002: ID 046d:c31c Logitech, Inc. Keyboard K120 |
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| 21:56.26 | awal1 | i tried combining many keyboard keys but i haven't found one for < >. I may just haven't found it |
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| 22:00.34 | userro | Hi, I am getting some weird error. What do I have to do now? Please help me https://imgur.com/F3uvkP3 |
| 22:01.39 | userro | plz see that photo |
| 22:02.56 | userro | that never happened |
| 22:03.17 | jim | what user were you when you tried to do that? what was the exact command you used? |
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| 22:05.11 | userro | I am root and I used 'dpkg -i docker_enggine...something.deb' |
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| 22:06.28 | userro | engine* |
| 22:06.44 | jim | userro, where/how exactly did you get the .deb? |
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| 22:07.34 | userro | From here https://apt.dockerproject.org/repo/pool/main/d/docker-engine/ |
| 22:08.02 | userro | What do I have to do to get rid of that nasty error? |
| 22:08.17 | RajRajRaj | Can i not live without nvidia in my system as it seems to bw a problem |
| 22:09.03 | RajRajRaj | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/m0beM6DF/irccloudcapture1504622773.jpg |
| 22:09.15 | RajRajRaj | Can someone help me solve this |
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| 22:10.38 | userro | Do I have to reinstall the os? |
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| 22:13.01 | wingnut | userro: do you have anything to lose ? |
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| 22:13.29 | userro | Not really |
| 22:13.30 | wingnut | RajRajRaj: systemd |
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| 22:14.00 | RajRajRaj | wingnut: what does it mean? |
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| 22:15.40 | tp43_ | userro, what are you using Docker for? |
| 22:15.49 | RajRajRaj | wingnut: what do you mean, i didnt understand |
| 22:15.59 | userro | tp43_, to run a bot |
| 22:16.36 | userro | Can I get rid of that error without reinstalling the os? |
| 22:17.07 | tp43_ | how come docker is in docker, like hub pg 2 |
| 22:17.41 | tp43_ | userro, well, it seems awesome cause lots of things needed are not in repo but you can find them on docker |
| 22:17.47 | jim | userro, is there a docker-engine package in debian already? |
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| 22:18.04 | userro | yeah |
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| 22:18.35 | userro | https://apt.dockerproject.org/repo/pool/main/d/docker-engine/ |
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| 22:18.50 | tp43_ | userro, you sure, I see docker there, but it seems to be something else |
| 22:19.13 | userro | what? |
| 22:19.27 | tp43_ | jim debian is available for docker, but docker isn't available in debian repos yet is it? |
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| 22:20.04 | userro | Can anyone please help me with that error? |
| 22:20.06 | TomTomTo1 | it is. you should try the package in the debian repo if the one provided by upstream doesn't work. |
| 22:20.20 | userro | https://imgur.com/F3uvkP3 |
| 22:20.21 | TomTomTo1 | ,v docker.io |
| 22:20.23 | judd | Package: docker.io on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 1.6.2~dfsg1-1~bpo8+1; sid: 1.11.2~ds1-6 |
| 22:20.52 | tp43_ | Oh it is backports, cool |
| 22:22.22 | jim | userro, can you show the exact command you used to install? or show the exact filename of the .deb |
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| 22:25.10 | userro | It is 'dpkg -i docker-engine.... you can find the full name in that image I sent you.deb |
| 22:25.36 | jim | userro, the EXACT command (not an abbreviation) |
| 22:25.56 | userro | I used dpkg |
| 22:26.10 | userro | That's not an abbreviation |
| 22:26.57 | jim | dpkg -i requires a filename argument, please supply that argument exactly |
| 22:26.57 | dpkg | package requires a filename argument, please supply that argument exactly is already installed |
| 22:27.35 | jim | dpkg, :P |
| 22:27.36 | dpkg | hmm... p is 1. piano (musical direction) 2. proton |
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| 22:29.45 | userro | I don't understand |
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| 22:29.57 | jim | oh there it is |
| 22:30.04 | userro | It worked like that before though |
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| 22:30.29 | TomTomTo1 | so use an earlier build. |
| 22:30.39 | userro | yea |
| 22:30.55 | jim | docker-engine_1.12.6-0-debian-jessie_armhf.deb |
| 22:30.59 | userro | I used dpkg many times before |
| 22:31.00 | TomTomTo1 | something in the postinst script of this one is broken. |
| 22:31.15 | userro | I didn't have any problems with it before |
| 22:31.53 | jim | you've installed that exact .deb file before? |
| 22:31.54 | TomTomTo1 | that's not an dpkg issue. the maintainer at docker is responsible for quality testing his own packages. |
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| 22:32.20 | userro | no I haven't |
| 22:32.34 | userro | but I used it to install other programs |
| 22:33.22 | jim | are you running debian jessie on that machine? |
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| 22:35.30 | silverhome | do anyone know how i can install kernel 3.19 on debian stable? |
| 22:35.40 | silverhome | cause it doesnt seems to be in the repo anymore? |
| 22:35.59 | jim | I've actually run out of time to work on this... appts coming up |
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| 22:36.34 | userrio | [22:35] (usersiis) It is saying "the package docker-engine needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find any archive for it" |
| 22:36.37 | TomTomTo1 | silverhome: build it from source. https://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html#s-kernel-org-package |
| 22:36.53 | TomTomTo1 | silverhome: debian stable is still at 3.16 |
| 22:36.57 | userrio | What should I do? |
| 22:37.53 | userrio | Hi? |
| 22:38.14 | RajRajRaj | Module build for kernel 3.16.0-4-amd64 was skipped since the kernel headers for this kernel does not seem to be installed |
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| 22:38.35 | userrio | hello |
| 22:38.44 | RajRajRaj | userrio: hi |
| 22:38.46 | userrio | hello |
| 22:39.06 | ceprius | hiya! o/ |
| 22:39.23 | userrio | \o |
| 22:39.39 | userrio | can anyone help me? |
| 22:40.23 | TomTomTo1 | silverhome: if you just need a newer kernel, you can pick the one in jessie-backports (4.8) |
| 22:40.32 | silverhome | i have |
| 22:40.48 | silverhome | and the thing is that the iwlwifi intel package doesnt work with that kernel but it works with 3.16 |
| 22:40.53 | RajRajRaj | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:40.54 | silverhome | anyone have any idea how to fixd? |
| 22:40.58 | silverhome | fix* |
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| 22:41.09 | silverhome | or have a dell xps with intel chip? |
| 22:41.11 | TomTomTo1 | silverhome: you will need the iwlwifi package from backports too. |
| 22:41.24 | silverhome | i did install that one but it said it installed the same as the one i had before? |
| 22:42.11 | TomTomTo1 | can you paste the output of apt-cache policy firmware-iwlwifi to paste.debian.net ? |
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| 22:42.15 | userrio | It is now saying "the package docker-engine needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find any archive for it" everything I do apt-get |
| 22:42.31 | userrio | What should I do? |
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| 22:43.08 | TomTomTo1 | userrio: remove the package. apt-get purge docker-engine |
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| 22:44.07 | userrio | It says the same thing again |
| 22:44.20 | userrio | It needs to reinstalled |
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| 22:45.54 | TomTomTo1 | userrio: show me the full output of dpkg -p docker-engine |
| 22:46.05 | verumnost | has anyone tried to strip down debian server to the basics ? |
| 22:46.14 | verumnost | regarding packages |
| 22:47.07 | TomTomTo1 | the debian netinst image already has only packages with priority required and important if you don't select anything else in the installer. |
| 22:47.26 | TomTomTo1 | any installer image, for that matter. |
| 22:47.58 | tp43_ | verumnost, I think you have the wrong idea, what are you trying to do |
| 22:48.03 | silverhome | TomTomTo1: when you do apt-get -t jessie-backports install firmware-iwlwifi you get the iwlwifi 0.43 package and when you do it from not backports you get the same |
| 22:48.05 | silverhome | verison |
| 22:48.09 | silverhome | version* |
| 22:48.12 | RajRajRaj | Are you people saying that, since i have nvidia. I will always have heating problem ? |
| 22:48.28 | RajRajRaj | And i wont be able to run any distro |
| 22:48.47 | RajRajRaj | This looks like never ending thing. |
| 22:48.53 | TomTomTo1 | silverhome: that's not right. please show me the apt-cache policy firmware-iwlwifi output i requested. |
| 22:49.00 | verumnost | tp43_: I want to use debian server to test basic network functionality - maybe in a cluster (with vms) |
| 22:49.31 | verumnost | tp43_: and I want to spin 10 debians at once so I am trying to remove stuff |
| 22:50.51 | tp43_ | verumnost, you don't need to strip down debian to do network stuff, but what TomTomTo1 said, netinstall is a minimalist install. Busy Box is an extremely minimal linux distro btw. |
| 22:51.17 | verumnost | tp43_: netinstall is what I have |
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| 22:51.32 | verumnost | tp43_: but If I am right, there are things not needed |
| 22:52.23 | userrio | TomTomTo1, https://imgur.com/lQIGc5S |
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| 22:53.12 | Midnightx | hello everyone, if i willing change my gpu (using amd) did i neet to reinstall my driver (using opensource driver) |
| 22:53.22 | userrio | Can you see it TomTomTo1? |
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| 22:53.33 | tp43_ | tp43_, like what, open deselect and remove stuff, but you will see a bunch of cryptic name of packages that you will have no idea what there purpose is and you will spend hours, days or what not just wasting your time. If there is a software installed and you don't use it, it wont hurt you. You can load up linux systems with out problems, its not like an iphone or windows like if you have too much software things get slow. |
| 22:53.38 | Midnightx | my old gpu is amd change to newer amd |
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| 22:54.17 | user16 | midnight i think debian will do it when you reboot |
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| 22:54.53 | Midnightx | user16, so i dont not need to apt-get remove right? |
| 22:55.13 | TomTomTo1 | userrio: try dpkg --purge --force-all docker-engine |
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| 22:56.39 | silverhome | TomTomTo1: Ops i just saw that it never installed the backport package for some reason now it works thanks anyway C: |
| 22:56.42 | user16 | midnight apt-get remove what? likely since your new gpu is AMD also, rebooting once will do it |
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| 22:57.34 | TomTomTo1 | silverhome: probably a typo in -t jessie-backports. hi btw, i remember you from some efnet channels. ^^ |
| 22:57.47 | silverhome | D: |
| 22:57.54 | silverhome | well im on the teksyndicate channels |
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| 22:59.11 | moretea | hi does anyone here know of a good software library I can add to debian? |
| 22:59.11 | tp43_ | verumnost, But I understand your thinking, and what I mentioned I did, and it was pointless |
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| 23:00.41 | userrio | TomTomTo1, it is still showing. It is saying package is in very inconsistent state and that I should reinstall it before removing it. :( |
| 23:00.57 | tp43_ | verumnost, if you want to gain a deep understanding of Linux and building distros you should check out busybox, it would be a year long project though, I skipped it, I am into Web Design and OpenGl and stuff now. You can buy a vps for cheap and load a fresh install of debian with a button click. |
| 23:01.29 | TomTomTo1 | userrio: well, then get another packager from the docker repo and use that to reinstall. |
| 23:01.59 | Midnightx | user16, i mean, right now i am using amd card 6xxx then i will replace with r9 2xx, so, what i must to do, did i need change my driver like windows |
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| 23:02.36 | tp43_ | verumnost, or look into building debian packages and using dpkg directly. There is this thing called alien to, lets you install ubunutu package on debian. |
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| 23:04.27 | tp43_ | verumnost, you know about aptitude and synaptic right? |
| 23:05.03 | userrio | TomTomTo1, it is not installing. |
| 23:05.57 | userrio | I think I have to reinstall whole os |
| 23:06.47 | tp43_ | userrio, you know apt-get purge? |
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| 23:07.04 | userrio | I did that already |
| 23:07.07 | user16 | midnight are you using fglrx or just open source? |
| 23:07.10 | userrio | It didn't solve it |
| 23:07.58 | tp43_ | userrio, did you try to re-install then purge -cause it said it was incomplete state, try to re-install first |
| 23:08.10 | user16 | i think apt-get update and upgrade after you install the new card |
| 23:10.18 | userrio | tp43_, how to do that? |
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| 23:10.45 | tp43_ | apt-get install |
| 23:11.08 | user16 | uhoh i was talking to mignight |
| 23:11.08 | Midnightx | user16 as long i remember , just open source like https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo (anyway tnks for help) |
| 23:11.09 | tp43_ | apt-get install docker.io in your case I think |
| 23:11.20 | user16 | ok |
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| 23:12.49 | userrio | It gives an error |
| 23:13.07 | userrio | that docker-engine needs to be reinstalled |
| 23:13.44 | tp43_ | userrio, you did apt-get install docker-engine and it says it needs to be re-installed? |
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| 23:14.32 | userrio | yes but it says that regardless of what I type after apt-get lol |
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| 23:15.28 | tp43_ | userrio, try aptitude |
| 23:16.14 | tp43_ | I had problems with backports in the past too |
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| 23:18.04 | userrio | never mind |
| 23:18.13 | userrio | I'm reinstalling the os |
| 23:18.19 | userrio | I'm done |
| 23:18.45 | tp43_ | userrio, aptitude won't start? |
| 23:18.51 | userrio | There's nothing important in there anyway |
| 23:19.03 | userrio | I already tried apt though |
| 23:19.39 | tp43_ | remove backports from the repo. Aptitude can help sometimes, worth a try, |
| 23:19.51 | TomTomTo1 | this has nothing to do with backports... |
| 23:20.02 | tp43_ | remove backports from source.list I mean |
| 23:20.12 | TomTomTo1 | this has still nothing to do with backports... |
| 23:20.25 | tp43_ | TomTomTo1, isn't docker-engine a package from backports |
| 23:20.29 | TomTomTo1 | no. |
| 23:20.49 | userrio | I reinstalled the os |
| 23:21.03 | TomTomTo1 | it's a package from upstream. |
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| 23:22.00 | userrio | lol how is this offtopic xD |
| 23:22.15 | fnljk | sorry, missed the slash. |
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| 23:22.31 | random_numbers | Is there a list of free-firmware USB devices and such that debian is compatible with? I'm looking for a bluetooth transceiver that doesn't require non-free. |
| 23:22.36 | userrio | oh lol |
| 23:22.41 | tp43_ | whats upstream? |
| 23:22.56 | TomTomTo1 | Docker Inc. |
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| 23:24.08 | userrio | I thought he was telling us to join #debian-offtopic lol |
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| 23:25.26 | userrio | now this is getting off-topic xD |
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| 23:25.34 | userrio | Ok I'll stop |
| 23:25.39 | zykotick9 | random_numbers: which https://h-node.org/ |
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| 23:26.00 | zykotick9 | s/which/check/ |
| 23:26.04 | tp43_ | userrio, maybe this one will be easier https://github.com/docker/docker/wiki/debian-package |
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| 23:26.39 | TomTomTo1 | tp43_: just stop... |
| 23:27.03 | random_numbers | zykotick9: Oh, FSF. Seems promising, thanks. |
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