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| 00:02.04 | norbert | hi, can someone check on Debian - I'm on Mint myself - what Debian says in response to: $ export|grep XDG_CONFIG_HOME |
| 00:04.11 | nkuttler | norbert: nothing |
| 00:04.20 | norbert | nkuttler: thanks |
| 00:04.32 | nkuttler | nChomsky: is the device mentioned in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 00:05.38 | nChomsky | It is. |
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| 00:05.55 | nChomsky | Is says so: |
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| 00:06.02 | nkuttler | nChomsky: then nm won't touch it... |
| 00:06.22 | nChomsky | Huh? |
| 00:06.55 | nkuttler | nChomsky: nm doesn't manage devices configured there |
| 00:07.24 | nChomsky | Well then, should i just erase it from there, then? |
| 00:07.36 | nkuttler | sounds like a plan |
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| 00:08.57 | nChomsky | Let me just tell you how it is written there, just to check if I'm not saying something stupid. |
| 00:09.23 | nChomsky | #The primary network interface |
| 00:09.32 | nkuttler | nChomsky: paste.debian.net |
| 00:10.11 | nChomsky | Ok. |
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| 00:14.12 | prasal | hi, can somebody tell me how to change gtk themes with lxappearance, gtk-theme-switch or manually? i downloaded a zip-file, extracted it, copied it in ~/.themes, but it did not show up in lxappearance or gtk-theme-switch. also there are many themes in /usr/share/themes that don't show up. |
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| 00:17.38 | awal1 | how youtube-dl chose the format of the downloaded file? sometimes .opus sometime m4a, sometimes mkv ... |
| 00:17.53 | awal1 | format for ^ |
| 00:19.01 | OerHeks | you can see what download options you have, https://github.com/rg3/youtube-dl/blob/master/README.md#format-selection |
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| 00:19.35 | nChomsky | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/c0c57267/ |
| 00:20.00 | OerHeks | * with --list-formats or -F |
| 00:20.12 | nChomsky | There you go, sorry for the delay. Had to transcribe it. |
| 00:20.17 | awal1 | ok, I check that |
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| 00:20.23 | awal1 | thanks |
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| 00:20.50 | OerHeks | you might get tons of formats with -F, lolz |
| 00:22.28 | awal1 | hm, ok, I'm aware about that; what I wanted to know exactly is why / how y-dl chose formats if not specified by the user |
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| 00:24.06 | TomTomTosch | it's in the first sentence of that text... |
| 00:24.18 | TomTomTosch | which also can be found in the man page. |
| 00:24.23 | CodeMachine | Hello guys. Is there anyone that knows how to set the gufw to automatically be ON once I fire up my computer? |
| 00:25.55 | awal1 | 0erHeks, TomTomTosch, oh, ok, I get it now; I had to learn that 3 times for get it, bad english here, ok, thanks |
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| 00:29.19 | awal1 | CodeMachine, once you install ufw (+ it's gui front-end 'gufw'), just run: ufw enable |
| 00:29.32 | awal1 | then it will be loaded at boot time |
| 00:29.55 | awal1 | ufw disable if you want to disable it |
| 00:30.17 | awal1 | as root ^ |
| 00:30.54 | CodeMachine | awal1: was very confused until u said root =D thanks. |
| 00:31.30 | awal1 | you get a short message sayins something like " ok, firewall (or disabled)enabled during startup " |
| 00:31.57 | CodeMachine | awal1: yes I got "Firewall is active and enabled on system startup" |
| 00:32.11 | awal1 | you are done so |
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| 00:33.24 | awal1 | default rules will be loaded , ok |
| 00:33.31 | nChomsky | Hello there, I disconnected. |
| 00:33.39 | nChomsky | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/c0c57267/ |
| 00:33.50 | missmbob | why would there be default rules? |
| 00:33.56 | S1ohy | mplayer: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libass.so.5: undefined symbol: FT_Outline_EmboldenXY |
| 00:33.59 | S1ohy | I have libassa3.5-5-dev installed |
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| 00:34.27 | nChomsky | My NetworkManager stopped managind Wi-fi connections |
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| 00:35.22 | nChomsky | The /etc/network/interfaces file had it listed. |
| 00:35.37 | nChomsky | As shown in the paste above. |
| 00:36.32 | nChomsky | I tried deleting its description from the text, |
| 00:38.12 | nChomsky | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:38.42 | nChomsky | And reset it with sudo services NetworkManager restart |
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| 00:39.37 | nChomsky | At the very least Wi-fi resumed to appear in the "Network" window as an option. |
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| 00:39.59 | nChomsky | But the wi-fi channels aren't listed. |
| 00:40.15 | nChomsky | Please help. :( |
| 00:40.20 | tomcres | ,v guayadeque |
| 00:40.22 | judd | Package: guayadeque on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.3.5~ds0-4; jessie: 0.3.7~ds0-2.1 |
| 00:41.03 | tomcres | ,v clementine |
| 00:41.04 | judd | Package: clementine on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.1+dfsg-2+b1; jessie: 1.2.3+dfsg-2+b1; stretch: 1.3.1+git276-g3485bbe43+dfsg-1; sid: 1.3.1+git276-g3485bbe43+dfsg-1 |
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| 00:43.21 | nChomsky | Man, what's with this chat tharlt disconnects me every time I change tabs? |
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| 00:43.56 | missmbob | nChomsky: i know it's annoying :P |
| 00:43.57 | nChomsky | Did somebody respond to what I said? Before being kicked? |
| 00:44.06 | bazhang | is that a gateway client |
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| 00:45.10 | nChomsky | So at least my previous responses showed up? |
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| 00:46.37 | Henry151 | oops |
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| 00:47.02 | nChomsky | Now when I use the command "nmcli d" wlan shows up as unavailable. |
| 00:47.15 | nChomsky | wlan0* |
| 00:49.44 | awal1 | CodeMachine, for your info: ufw status for check ufw/firewall state. man ufw will teach you more; but the gui (gufw) it self is for enable/disable it, or for play with the rules (after root authentication). but don't play with it if you don't know what you do; better use defaults :P |
| 00:51.32 | CodeMachine | awal1: Alright :) Thanks. I think I will leave it for now, I guess it's good enough as default? |
| 00:51.45 | awal1 | Default means: deny incoming, allow outgoing |
| 00:52.32 | CodeMachine | awal1: What does incoming actually mean? I can stil download stuff when it's denied, isn't that "incoming" traffic? |
| 00:52.34 | awal1 | that's wiser for standard use |
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| 00:53.43 | awal1 | CodeMachine, all will be fine. sorry, I must leave now; someone will explain you maybe |
| 00:54.19 | CodeMachine | awal1: I'll duckduckgo it when there is time :) Thanks. |
| 00:54.23 | awal1 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UFW |
| 00:54.45 | CodeMachine | Sweet |
| 00:54.47 | bazhang | ,v gufw |
| 00:54.48 | judd | Package: gufw on amd64 -- jessie: 12.10.0-1; wheezy: 12.10.0-1; stretch: 16.10.0-1; stretch: 17.04.1-1; sid: 17.04.1-1 |
| 00:54.59 | bazhang | thats the gui for ufw |
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| 00:56.15 | nChomsky | Someone available to help me with my Netowrk Manager not finding wi-fi connections? :( |
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| 01:07.42 | nChomsky | Hello? |
| 01:08.24 | bazhang | hi |
| 01:08.24 | RickHull | nChomsky, I hear you, but don't know how to help |
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| 01:08.58 | nChomsky | :*( |
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| 01:13.15 | epsilon | nChomsky: does ifconfig -a or iwconfig show the interface? |
| 01:13.28 | klys | nchomsky, iwlist wlan0 scan | less |
| 01:14.06 | nChomsky | Yes epsilon. |
| 01:14.39 | epsilon | do you have any error message in dmesg telling you to install a wifi driver? |
| 01:15.18 | nChomsky | klys, the return was "(END)" |
| 01:16.12 | nChomsky | Error message? Is dmesg a command? |
| 01:17.06 | klys | nchomsky, yes |
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| 01:17.37 | klys | nchomsky, see if you have a message about a firmware file that should be somewhere in /lib/firmware with dmesg | less |
| 01:18.15 | nChomsky | A long list appeared. |
| 01:18.32 | nChomsky | No warnings or errors... |
| 01:19.22 | epsilon | did the wifi worked ealier, or is this a new install using wifi the first time? |
| 01:20.06 | nChomsky | The wi-fi worked earlier, the last thing I did with an internet connection was, |
| 01:20.55 | nChomsky | to install that netsomething from debian stable repository, that tests the speed of debian mirrors returning you the fastest. |
| 01:21.19 | nChomsky | I had even used it, the internet then stopped working. |
| 01:21.29 | nChomsky | I restarted. |
| 01:21.40 | nChomsky | Rebooted, I mean. |
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| 01:21.52 | nChomsky | Didn't work. |
| 01:22.34 | nChomsky | Then I saw that wlan0 was listed in /etc/interfaces |
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| 01:23.49 | nChomsky | And in NetworkManager.conf, "managed" was set to "false". |
| 01:24.40 | nChomsky | I tried deleting The wlan0 description from the interfaces file, |
| 01:26.13 | epsilon | is the wlan0 interface up? (AKA it's listed in ifconfig without -a) |
| 01:26.20 | nChomsky | Didn't work, it went from "unmanaged" to "unavailable" with the command "nmcli d". |
| 01:26.22 | missmbob | nChomsky: why dont you set it to true to networkmanager can manage it? |
| 01:26.46 | nChomsky | After that, I did. |
| 01:27.28 | nChomsky | Its now set to true and the interfaces file has no description of the wlan0 |
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| 01:28.32 | nChomsky | Epsion, it is listed on ifconfig. |
| 01:28.40 | epsilon | assumed the wlan0 interface is up and you have AP near you, does "iw dev wlan0 scan" return something? |
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| 01:29.54 | budder | hello |
| 01:30.12 | nChomsky | It returns... a lot. |
| 01:30.38 | nChomsky | I'm scrolling to the top, are you looking for a particular information? |
| 01:30.42 | epsilon | the the device is working... sounds like an issue of netwok manager |
| 01:30.53 | missmbob | nChomsky: after setting it to true you restarted? |
| 01:31.00 | epsilon | no, just the fact wlan0 is finding AP |
| 01:31.29 | budder | i'm installing debian for the first time. I am not using the graphical installation. I at the part asking about installing additional software. none of the DE's are selected (gnome, xfce, kde, cinnamon, etc). I'm a little lost. Shouldn't one of them be selected by default? (i'm new to linux) |
| 01:31.44 | nChomsky | I did, tried sudo service NetworkManager restart, and also stop and start. |
| 01:31.59 | bazhang | budder the net install? |
| 01:32.16 | budder | no just regulat install off of USB |
| 01:32.35 | tomcres | budder there is no default. It's up to you to pick the one you like |
| 01:32.35 | bazhang | budder what size is the 'regular' |
| 01:33.05 | nChomsky | Check GNOME budder! |
| 01:33.13 | nChomsky | It is AWESOME. |
| 01:33.20 | budder | bazhang: I don't know what the size is. But I mean will it even allow me to advance without selecting one? |
| 01:33.22 | nChomsky | X) |
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| 01:33.41 | tomcres | budder, you can select nothing, but then you don't get a desktop environment. all you get is the text console. |
| 01:33.42 | budder | tomcres: do I HAVE to pick one though? would it let me install if i don't? |
| 01:34.45 | budder | tomcres: that would be advanced users right? I am curious to what that looks like. but for now I should just go ahead and pick one right? would it be easy to change it afterwards? |
| 01:35.02 | bazhang | very easy |
| 01:35.03 | budder | nChomsky: okay i'll do GNOME |
| 01:35.05 | tomcres | budder, absolutely. it's not marriage. you can change, add, remove any time you like |
| 01:35.32 | budder | oh wait |
| 01:35.44 | budder | Debian desktop environment is selected |
| 01:35.48 | budder | i believe that was default |
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| 01:36.44 | budder | so i'll stick with this for now and try the others later. However, print server and standard system utilities are the other options selected. should I select anything else (web server, SSH server)? |
| 01:37.06 | missmbob | that'll be gnome |
| 01:37.11 | tomcres | budder, up to you. I like to have SSH server so if something goes wrong, I can SSH in from my tablet. |
| 01:37.20 | RickHull | i wouldn't preinstall a bunch of stuff |
| 01:37.33 | RickHull | install your software after the initial debian install |
| 01:37.50 | bazhang | why not the net install |
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| 01:38.36 | nChomsky | Epsilon, so my computer sees the network. |
| 01:38.59 | budder | bazhang: what exctly is the net install? |
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| 01:39.04 | RickHull | are there install images that include wifi blobs and such? |
| 01:39.17 | RickHull | i'm sure not the official debian ones because DFSG |
| 01:39.23 | tomcres | RickHull, yes there are |
| 01:39.23 | jscoder | so the libmateweather in Jessie is 1.8.0, this is the lib that powers the mate weather and clock applets displaying weather info, but the site it gets its info from is gone, the problem is fixed as of verion 1.14.0, how can this be resolved in jessie? |
| 01:39.27 | missmbob | !firmware iso |
| 01:39.27 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
| 01:39.40 | RickHull | ah cool! |
| 01:39.53 | jscoder | a backports is not available, and a simple sid backport is not doable on this package |
| 01:40.48 | RickHull | patch the jessie source? |
| 01:41.30 | jscoder | hmm.. |
| 01:41.33 | RickHull | i.e. abandon hope of 1.14 |
| 01:42.09 | jscoder | well sid has 1.16 but doing a build-dep on that told me the deps aren't satisfyable due to no version of the mate-common |
| 01:42.19 | jscoder | thats when I was trying to do a ssb on it |
| 01:42.26 | nChomsky | Oh, another thing! |
| 01:43.01 | RickHull | netinst is pretty cool. it's just a tiny installer that assumes you can download the rest |
| 01:43.10 | nChomsky | The folder /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/ is empty. |
| 01:43.18 | nChomsky | Is that normal? |
| 01:43.40 | RickHull | mine has the networks I've saved |
| 01:43.43 | jscoder | there is also the possibility of upgrading to testing because it should be freezing soon, and it has the 1.16 as well |
| 01:43.56 | nChomsky | Ah, I see. |
| 01:44.27 | RickHull | jscoder, i believe the debian model says to patch the jessie version to fix the package for jessie |
| 01:44.39 | RickHull | s/jessie/stable/ |
| 01:45.04 | RickHull | not wholesale upgrades that bring other features |
| 01:45.26 | jscoder | RickHull: yeah, I'm not really certain how to do that.. in theory I know how.. I've never done it.. and normally when I do these sorts of things its on actual apps not on libs which seem more complicated, especially when they're part of a huge DE with all kinds of deps in both directions |
| 01:45.28 | budder | missmbob: did you say the default debian desktop environment is GNOME? |
| 01:45.30 | RickHull | not that there aren't options |
| 01:45.44 | RickHull | but have you examined what would be involved for a patch to 1.8 or whatever? |
| 01:45.46 | missmbob | budder: i did |
| 01:46.23 | budder | MissionCritical: there were two individual options for debian desktop and GNOME |
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| 01:46.35 | jscoder | RickHull: from what I gather, the site is the same, it just changed its domain name.. I don't know this for certain but its what I hear told. |
| 01:46.45 | budder | missmbob: there were two individual options for debian desktop and GNOME |
| 01:46.48 | RickHull | jscoder, are you the maintainer or DD? |
| 01:47.04 | RickHull | they should know what to do, maybe a mailing list discussion? |
| 01:47.26 | missmbob | budder: i realize that. if you uncleck everything, including gnome, the desktop task would select gnome |
| 01:47.35 | missmbob | budder: uncheck* |
| 01:48.06 | jscoder | RickHull: I'm not a developer or a maintainer.. I'm just a user who wants their weather applet to work. I read some discussions on ubuntu and mint forums about it and then I grabbed the source from sid and checked the changelog, which says this issue was addressed in 1.14 |
| 01:48.44 | RickHull | probably you are not the only one. is there a bug for this? |
| 01:48.58 | RickHull | bugs.debian.org (or MATE?) |
| 01:49.37 | nChomsky | Guys, I did it. |
| 01:49.58 | nChomsky | I just had to reboot after aptering the interfaces file XD |
| 01:50.08 | nChomsky | altering* |
| 01:50.33 | missmbob | nChomsky: i asked. you said you had. |
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| 01:51.04 | jscoder | RickHull: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=846900 |
| 01:51.05 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/846900 in src:libmateweather (closed, jessie): «mate-applets: fails to show weather of any city»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-12-04; last modified: 2016-12-17. |
| 01:51.26 | tomcres | odd. the MATE weather applet works fine for my location. |
| 01:51.28 | nChomsky | I said I restarted NetworkManager! |
| 01:51.40 | budder | missmbob: debian desktop environment was selected by default, and then there were a number of other options and GNOME was one of them |
| 01:51.45 | nChomsky | Well anyway, its done. |
| 01:51.56 | missmbob | nChomsky: i said "reboot" |
| 01:51.56 | jscoder | RickHull: there is a patch in the bug, so I guess I'll try get the jessie source and repackage it |
| 01:52.13 | nChomsky | XP |
| 01:52.18 | missmbob | budder: why do you keep telling me things i already know? |
| 01:53.01 | RickHull | jscoder, that's probably the happy path. I can't tell from the ticket why the package isn't available yet for jessie |
| 01:53.04 | budder | missmbob: because i'm confused. if GNOME is the debian desktop environment, then why was there another option to select GNOME when debian desktop was already selected? |
| 01:53.54 | jscoder | RickHull: apparently nobody thought it was important enough to solve.. technically debian policy is for security fixes, this is a broken package due to changes in a non-debian service, that falls under the no warranty clause.. heh |
| 01:53.57 | RickHull | before the bug was closed (i think because it is fixed upstream) the last message about jessie was: Both builds do not FTBFS. |
| 01:54.03 | RickHull | not sure what FTBFS means |
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| 01:54.14 | jscoder | RickHull: since its fixed upstream they're just wating on the next release to address it |
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| 01:54.27 | missmbob | budder: you dont need to. it's just trying to make things easy so new users dont end up without a DE |
| 01:54.27 | RickHull | yeah, makes sense enough |
| 01:54.31 | RickHull | what FTBFS? |
| 01:54.53 | budder | missmbob: oh okay, got it |
| 01:54.54 | RickHull | fails to build Fsomething Ssomething? |
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| 01:55.17 | jscoder | RickHull: fuck this, better find someone-who-cares ? heh |
| 01:55.22 | Hello71 | something already starts with s |
| 01:55.37 | RickHull | fix the bug fer sure |
| 01:56.01 | RickHull | Hello71, s/something/____/ |
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| 01:58.13 | jscoder | RickHull: https://wiki.debian.org/qa.debian.org/FTBFS |
| 01:58.51 | RickHull | but what does it meeeeeaaaaaannnnnnn? |
| 01:59.12 | jscoder | shrugs |
| 01:59.18 | jscoder | dpkg, ftbfs |
| 01:59.19 | dpkg | [ftbfs] Failure To Build From Source. ~ round and round the buildd goes / where it stops... nobody knows / FTBFS! ... it blows / how I hate the night ~ |
| 01:59.28 | RickHull | !botsnack |
| 01:59.28 | dpkg | thanks, RickHull |
| 01:59.42 | RickHull | jscoder, so, patch is not the happy path apparently |
| 02:00.30 | RickHull | i would think you could just do a string substitution on the source with a new URL maybe |
| 02:00.39 | RickHull | i assume the real fix is to make it a config option |
| 02:00.52 | RickHull | hardcoded URLs and hostnames... heh |
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| 02:03.50 | jscoder | RickHull: looking at the patch there is more involved than just the URL, its not exactly the same.. and the second patch is only to rename a timezone in asia, Mike says with both patches the FTBFS is gone |
| 02:04.07 | budder | guys, i have an SSD with Windows on it and an HDD for files. Windows is on my SSD and I am trying to install Debian alongside it. For the boot loader, do I install on the SSD also? |
| 02:04.18 | RickHull | oh, ok -- I just skimmed it and the format makes my eyes bleed |
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| 02:04.30 | budder | other options are my other drives, and "enter device manually" |
| 02:04.53 | RickHull | budder, tread carefully. linux and windows can each make the other unbootable |
| 02:04.55 | jscoder | budder: you'd want the boot loader on whichever is the boot device which from what it sounds like is your ssd |
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| 02:05.28 | jscoder | windows never had a bootloader really, it just installs a chainloader, its bootloader is on the partition |
| 02:06.15 | jscoder | grub or lilo or such can chainload as well as anything |
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| 02:11.58 | jscoder | RickHull: apparently they did fix the package, I installed libmateweather1 1.8.0-2+deb8u1 and removed my weather applet and put it back and now it works |
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| 02:12.57 | jscoder | RickHull: whats strange is, I installed this system from D-I and it didn't even have libmateweather1 or libmateweather-common installed even though I had mate installed |
| 02:15.25 | RickHull | huh, nice. |
| 02:15.30 | budder | thanks all for the help |
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| 03:47.43 | budder | i installed debian but the resolution is all messed up. monitor is a samsung tv 40inch |
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| 03:48.21 | tomcres | budder, what video card do you have in your computer? |
| 03:48.34 | budder | GTX 750 Ti |
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| 03:49.41 | tomcres | budder, ah. OK. that explains it. You haven't installed nvidia-driver yet, have you? |
| 03:50.04 | budder | tomcres: i haven't installed anything, no |
| 03:50.18 | missmbob | !nvidia |
| 03:50.18 | dpkg | Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 03:50.36 | missmbob | go to that wiki |
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| 04:01.23 | budder | still need help |
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| 04:02.20 | klys | budder, apt-get install nvidia-kernel-dkms? edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf? |
| 04:04.48 | missmbob | pay attention. a little typo and you're screwed. copy/paste everything if you want help |
| 04:04.57 | missmbob | paste.debian.net |
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| 04:06.32 | budder | deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free |
| 04:06.44 | budder | is that waht I paste in terminal? it said command not found |
| 04:07.07 | missmbob | not even close. read the wiki more clearly |
| 04:07.12 | budder | i'm looking here https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#jessie |
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| 04:09.56 | budder | okay i give up, i don't know what to do |
| 04:10.17 | budder | it says "Add "contrib" and "non-free" components to /etc/apt/sources.list, for example: |
| 04:10.18 | budder | " |
| 04:10.29 | budder | # Debian 8 "Jessie" |
| 04:10.29 | budder | deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free |
| 04:10.43 | budder | for step 1. but I input that in the terminal and nothing happens |
| 04:10.50 | klys | so take a text editor and add the line to the file |
| 04:10.59 | fryguy | I have a service that I manually added to /etc/init.d on an old machine, I"m trying to recreate it now and `/etc/init.d/servicename start` isn't working because it's unable to find the systemd unit for it. How can I generate the shim so that the init.d script will start/stop it without requiring a systemd unit? |
| 04:11.44 | budder | klys i'm not sure how to do that |
| 04:12.53 | klys | budder, apt-get install joe; joe /etc/apt/sources.list; #paste and ctrl-k ctrl-x; apt-get update; apt-get -f install; apt-get install nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 04:18.09 | budder | still lost. I found /etc/apt/sources.list but it won't let me edit |
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| 04:18.37 | RickHull | there is a program called `sudo` which will give you temporary privileges |
| 04:18.49 | RickHull | you will need to enter your user's password |
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| 04:19.04 | RickHull | if you do: sudo -s |
| 04:19.20 | RickHull | then you will have a session as root, the admin user |
| 04:19.33 | RickHull | you can then edit the system files like /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:20.55 | budder | RickHull: command not found |
| 04:24.53 | budder | okay can someone at least tell me where else i can find help |
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| 04:29.52 | awal1 | budder, run su and type your root password (you dont see it when you type it, but fine) |
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| 04:32.49 | budder | sudo: command not found |
| 04:32.58 | awal1 | forget sudo |
| 04:33.00 | fryguy | su, not sudo |
| 04:33.11 | awal1 | su and give your root passwrd |
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| 04:35.04 | awal1 | budder, you are lost or what? :P |
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| 04:36.19 | budder | awal1: working on it |
| 04:36.29 | budder | typing in the new lines now |
| 04:36.57 | budder | okay now what? |
| 04:37.05 | budder | how do i save? |
| 04:37.11 | budder | ^X to exit? |
| 04:37.15 | awal1 | what you did? |
| 04:37.25 | budder | deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free |
| 04:37.48 | awal1 | I guess you are editing with nano |
| 04:38.00 | awal1 | press Ctrl+o+Enter for save |
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| 04:38.20 | awal1 | then Ctrl+x for exit |
| 04:39.17 | awal1 | when done run: cat /etc/apt/sources.list and paste the output in paste.debian.net |
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| 04:44.56 | budder | awal1: okay i added the lines then ctrl+o then enter then ctrl+X |
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| 04:45.39 | awal1 | budder: run: cat /etc/apt/sources.list copy and paste the output in paste.debian.net |
| 04:45.51 | budder | I doon't know what you are telling me to run. the next step in the wiki says # aptitude update |
| 04:45.51 | budder | # aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-legacy-304xx-kernel-dkms |
| 04:45.58 | budder | which is what I did |
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| 04:47.24 | awal1 | I just wanted to know if the file you edited is all correct, budder |
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| 04:48.00 | awal1 | just type in terminal: cat /etc/apt/sources.list and paste what you get with that |
| 04:48.05 | budder | awal1 i am using a different computer |
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| 04:48.27 | budder | the pc running debian the resolution is terrible i can barely use it |
| 04:49.00 | RickHull | eh, you should be able to fix the res without the nvidia driver |
| 04:49.14 | budder | step 3 says Create an Xorg server configuration file. |
| 04:49.25 | budder | https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#configure |
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| 04:50.20 | budder | it says "Install the nvidia-xconfig package, then run it with sudo." |
| 04:50.27 | awal1 | budder, I never had nvidia and no much clue about it, follow the wiki and still asking here; I just wanted to help you in a very basic thing: set correctly your sources file |
| 04:52.28 | budder | okay i appreciate your help. i am following instructions on wiki and asking here. it now says "Install the nvidia-xconfig package, then run it with sudo." how do i install that package? |
| 04:55.01 | jelly | you don't actually need the whole file |
| 04:55.11 | jelly | !nvidia dkms |
| 04:55.11 | dpkg | For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. |
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| 04:55.33 | jelly | that one small bit is enough |
| 04:55.40 | jelly | mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf |
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| 04:56.16 | jelly | budder: ^^ instead of installing nvidia-xconfig at all |
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| 04:57.25 | notmike | I screwed up my iptables and now had to mount my HD in a VM. Where is the file that holds my iptables rules? |
| 04:58.31 | awal1 | budder: follow jelly and you'll be done shortly :P |
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| 04:59.37 | budder | i didn't understand what jelly said lmao |
| 05:00.05 | jelly | budder: it's a command to run as root, that creats a file at /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf |
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| 05:01.18 | jelly | notmike: look under /etc/iptables/ if you have iptables-persistent package |
| 05:01.32 | budder | goddamit |
| 05:02.02 | budder | i followed all the instructions. created the Xorg server config file. restarted |
| 05:02.15 | budder | but error messages says can't boot :( |
| 05:03.08 | budder | "a problem has occcurred and the system can't recover. please log out and try again" |
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| 05:05.09 | klys | budder, ls /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so |
| 05:05.20 | klys | budder, also lsmod | grep nvidia |
| 05:05.37 | budder | kyls i can't boot into debian |
| 05:05.42 | budder | klys |
| 05:06.05 | klys | you mean X won't start or the kernel panics in text mode? |
| 05:06.25 | klys | budder is it just not giving you graphics |
| 05:06.59 | jelly | budder: does the machine answer to ping? |
| 05:07.28 | budder | klys i don't know what X is |
| 05:07.44 | budder | jelly: what is ping |
| 05:08.03 | klys | budder, linux boots and gives you a prompt in text mode, then X starts as the screen becomes graphical (or is supposed to.) |
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| 05:08.29 | n1b | What is a good brand of laptop for using linux on? |
| 05:08.31 | jelly | budder: it's a command to check whether ip network functionality is up |
| 05:08.39 | budder | klys: pc boots, i select linux, i see some commands, and then get the error. just tried again |
| 05:08.41 | klys | n1b, toshiba portege m700 |
| 05:09.15 | klys | budder, is the error displayed graphically? |
| 05:09.25 | budder | klys yes |
| 05:09.45 | jelly | sounds like some gdm or gnome thing |
| 05:09.49 | klys | budder, time to knock out X and debug then |
| 05:10.08 | klys | when you see the error, press ctrl+alt+F1 and login |
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| 05:10.53 | klys | budder, when you see the error, press ctrl+alt+F1 and login |
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| 05:11.38 | budder | klys okay let me try again |
| 05:12.22 | budder | okay |
| 05:12.30 | budder | in |
| 05:12.34 | klys | good |
| 05:12.49 | klys | now $ su |
| 05:13.09 | klys | then # less /var/log/xorg.0.log |
| 05:13.11 | budder | k |
| 05:13.39 | klys | actually it's Xorg |
| 05:14.03 | budder | k |
| 05:14.10 | klys | then look for lines that say EE |
| 05:14.20 | budder | what does that stand for, electrical error? |
| 05:14.27 | klys | just "error" |
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| 05:14.57 | budder | okay |
| 05:15.01 | n1b | means no screens were found |
| 05:15.09 | budder | i'm gonna start from the beginning because idk where to start from |
| 05:15.16 | klys | press q when you finish finding the error |
| 05:15.30 | klys | and run this command: lsmod | grep nvidia |
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| 05:15.51 | notmike | jelly: if I don't have iptables-persistent, would the rules revert on reboot? |
| 05:16.08 | notmike | because it seems they haven't. I can't ping or ssh |
| 05:16.10 | klys | budder, the nvidia driver is not installed by default so you'll just end up doing the same things. |
| 05:16.31 | budder | 2.450] markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unkonwn. |
| 05:16.50 | budder | that's the only place it says EE |
| 05:17.22 | klys | oh? ok then X started except there was another error, i don't know exactly what error yet |
| 05:17.45 | klys | did the lsmod command generate output? |
| 05:17.49 | jelly | notmike: there's half a dozen iptables wrappers packaged, you'll have to figure out which one you installed |
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| 05:18.33 | notmike | I don't think I installed any. I just have a bash file on that interface that runs pre-up and I can edit |
| 05:19.17 | jelly | notmike: so you have your own thing. You should be able to figure out where it reads the rules from then |
| 05:19.20 | budder | klys lsmod didn't do anything |
| 05:19.29 | budder | lsmod | grep nvidia |
| 05:19.31 | budder | is that correct? |
| 05:19.33 | notmike | jelly: standby I'll get a copy |
| 05:19.38 | klys | budder, then nvidia-kernel-dkms is not installed properly. |
| 05:19.45 | klys | budder, apt-get -f install |
| 05:20.00 | jelly | notmike: debian does not save or restore the rules automagically, unless you install something to do just that |
| 05:20.08 | jelly | no firewall by default |
| 05:20.29 | budder | klys 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded |
| 05:20.45 | klys | budder, apt-get install nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 05:20.48 | klys | (again) |
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| 05:22.14 | notmike | the way I have it setup auto eth0 --> pre-up firewall-rules.sh I think it is applying after boot as soon as the if auto ups |
| 05:22.23 | budder | klys manual config required, NVIDIA driver not configed, needs enabled in xorg.conf before used |
| 05:22.36 | budder | i said okay |
| 05:23.13 | klys | budder, cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/*nvidia* |
| 05:23.30 | klys | if it says something then you have done your manual config. |
| 05:24.07 | klys | it might wait a minute compiling the module for your kernel. |
| 05:24.10 | budder | no such file or dir |
| 05:24.16 | budder | wait |
| 05:24.38 | budder | it still says root@debian:/home/me# |
| 05:24.44 | klys | yes |
| 05:24.45 | budder | then i put cat /etc/ |
| 05:24.54 | budder | and it said no such file or dir |
| 05:25.09 | klys | # dpkg -l nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 05:25.16 | klys | do you get a line that starts with ii |
| 05:25.44 | budder | yes |
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| 05:26.01 | budder | ii nvidia -kernel - 340.101-1 |
| 05:26.09 | klys | ok, find /lib/modules/`uname -r`/updates |
| 05:26.18 | budder | wut |
| 05:26.22 | klys | do you see a couple of .ko files? |
| 05:26.29 | klys | # find /lib/modules/`uname -r`/updates |
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| 05:27.18 | klys | also you might try # find /lib/modules/`uname -r` | grep nvidia |
| 05:27.20 | budder | no such file or dir |
| 05:27.30 | klys | try that instead |
| 05:27.55 | budder | no such file or dir |
| 05:27.58 | budder | is there a space |
| 05:28.09 | klys | erm, there are a few spaces |
| 05:28.10 | budder | between -r' and | |
| 05:28.15 | klys | yes |
| 05:28.21 | budder | okay i did |
| 05:28.30 | klys | did you see the .ko files? |
| 05:28.42 | budder | no such file or directory |
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| 05:29.18 | klys | perhaps we will have to find you a package, i'm not exactly sure, will investigate now. |
| 05:29.35 | budder | you know what |
| 05:29.36 | budder | forget it |
| 05:29.45 | budder | this has taken up far too much time |
| 05:30.03 | budder | i will try again tomorrow. should i reinstall debian? |
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| 05:30.16 | klys | budder, # apt-get install nvidia-driver |
| 05:30.39 | klys | budder, please don't reinstall, you can't start over that easily. |
| 05:30.44 | klys | https://packages.debian.org/jessie/nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 05:30.59 | klys | I just looked at that and maybe you don't have the driver installed |
| 05:31.17 | budder | i just rebooted |
| 05:31.21 | budder | selected debian |
| 05:31.28 | budder | and it is just a blinking cursor now |
| 05:32.12 | notmike | nm jelly I fixed it. Thanks |
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| 05:34.13 | budder | klys it is so jacked up right now |
| 05:34.17 | budder | why not just reinstall tomorrow? |
| 05:34.17 | klys | budder, look here: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/i386/nvidia-kernel-dkms/filelist -- this means you should # cd /usr/src/nvidia-current-340.101; make; make install (I was thinking the postinst script would do that automatically, though you can do it manually to make sure) |
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| 05:36.10 | budder | klys i don't understand any of that |
| 05:36.25 | klys | budder, # cd /usr/src/nvidia-* |
| 05:36.29 | klys | # make |
| 05:36.42 | klys | and come back and tell us if it did its job |
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| 05:38.10 | budder | kyls i ran apt-get purge nvidia. |
| 05:38.24 | budder | klys and i can boot now again into debian |
| 05:39.12 | budder | but shitty resolution again |
| 05:39.16 | klys | there is no package called nvidia |
| 05:39.36 | budder | https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 05:39.47 | budder | can you walk me thru that plz |
| 05:39.51 | klys | sure |
| 05:40.59 | klys | have you run apt-get install nvidia-driver yet |
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| 05:42.42 | budder | no |
| 05:42.46 | budder | okay where to start? |
| 05:42.59 | budder | that guide says to start by adding those lines |
| 05:43.23 | klys | https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Debian_8_.22Jessie.22 step 2 you did step 1 earlier |
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| 05:43.38 | n1b | Is pgrep the same as ps aux | grep x |
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| 05:44.40 | klys | n1b, ps aux has a lot more columns than pgrep |
| 05:44.51 | klys | pgrep just shows you the matching pids |
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| 05:45.14 | budder | kyls literally copy paste # apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') right? |
| 05:45.21 | klys | yes |
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| 05:48.29 | budder | okay |
| 05:48.31 | budder | ran it |
| 05:49.05 | skaria | I wrote two systemd service files in /etc/systemd/user but looking through ``systemctl list-unit-files'', I can't find them. I have two services, one called offlineimap.service, the other offlineimap.timer. Obvious, offlineimap.timer is a.. wait for it.. timer. So, I'd expect to always see being reported somewhere by systemd. I can see that my service is working through ``journalctl'' as I can see it's output. |
| 05:49.19 | klys | budder, check lsmod | grep nvidia again |
| 05:49.24 | skaria | I'm just wondering where I can find my service so I can shut it down for some time. |
| 05:49.26 | budder | klys it says 0 upgraded, removed, installed, etc |
| 05:49.48 | budder | klys that didn't give any results |
| 05:49.50 | budder | just next lined |
| 05:49.58 | klys | budder, # cd /usr/src/nvidia-*; make |
| 05:50.51 | budder | no such file or dir |
| 05:51.02 | klys | budder, ls /usr/src |
| 05:51.15 | budder | k |
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| 05:51.42 | budder | linux-headers-3.16.0-4-amd64 linux-kbuild-3.16 |
| 05:51.43 | budder | and |
| 05:51.55 | budder | linux-headers-3.16.0-4-common |
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| 05:52.13 | klys | budder, apt-get install nvidia-driver |
| 05:52.32 | budder | k |
| 05:52.43 | budder | but it said |
| 05:52.52 | budder | oh wait |
| 05:53.16 | budder | k |
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| 05:53.50 | budder | the free nouveau kernel moduel us curernrtl loaeded and conflicts.easiset fix is reboot |
| 05:53.59 | budder | OK |
| 05:54.08 | klys | did anything fail? |
| 05:54.15 | budder | nvidia driver not configrured. needs to e enbaled in xorg.cong |
| 05:54.19 | budder | xorg.conf |
| 05:54.26 | budder | fuck i'm tired |
| 05:54.30 | budder | no |
| 05:54.31 | klys | well dpkg -l | grep nouveau |
| 05:55.18 | klys | and you may need to delete `find /lib/modules | grep nouveau` or at least move it away from there due to udev |
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| 05:55.27 | notmike | jelly: http://termbin.com/uiyy why is that putting Accept Anywhere Anywhere in my INPUT table? |
| 05:55.40 | budder | okay i did that command |
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| 05:56.33 | klys | the nouveau.ko module is in there, just that it could cause a problem |
| 05:56.56 | budder | okay so now what |
| 05:57.22 | klys | have you removed nouveau.ko? if so, type # reboot |
| 05:57.29 | budder | no how do i remove |
| 05:57.44 | budder | last input was dpkg -l | grep nouveau |
| 05:57.50 | klys | find /lib/modules | grep nouveau |
| 05:58.03 | klys | and mv /path/to/file.ko . |
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| 05:59.27 | budder | missing destination |
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| 05:59.44 | klys | budder, the destination was . correct? |
| 05:59.57 | klys | there is a space between ko and . |
| 06:00.13 | budder | yes |
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| 06:00.22 | budder | tried again now it says cannot stat |
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| 06:00.38 | klys | copy and paste the file with the mouse |
| 06:00.46 | klys | and try it that way |
| 06:01.42 | budder | what file |
| 06:01.49 | klys | find /lib/modules | grep nouveau |
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| 06:02.21 | klys | it should spit out a filename for you like /lib/modules/xxx/kernel/drivers/video/fbdev/nouveau/nouveau.ko |
| 06:02.30 | budder | k |
| 06:04.03 | budder | cannot stat |
| 06:04.14 | klys | you sure you spelled it the same? |
| 06:04.39 | budder | mv /lib/? |
| 06:04.47 | budder | or mv what? |
| 06:05.13 | klys | # mv /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/video/fbdev/nouveau.ko . |
| 06:05.41 | klys | you can use tab completion |
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| 06:06.29 | budder | klys, i absolutely have to go now |
| 06:06.34 | klys | tah-tah. |
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| 06:06.40 | budder | thank you so much |
| 06:06.43 | klys | sure |
| 06:06.56 | budder | why do you suggest i don't reinstall debian? |
| 06:07.01 | budder | and start this whole thing over again? |
| 06:07.05 | klys | I think you have the driver you need |
| 06:07.12 | klys | maybe just try rebooting |
| 06:07.17 | budder | i just rebooted and same thing, just blinking curor |
| 06:07.19 | budder | cursor |
| 06:07.37 | klys | ctrl+alt+f1 to fix |
| 06:07.42 | budder | okay |
| 06:07.48 | budder | thank you so much |
| 06:07.51 | klys | sure |
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| 07:36.45 | holycow | hi. anyone here use xen? |
| 07:36.59 | holycow | anyone know how to add and iso to xe cd-list .. list? |
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| 08:03.00 | jelly | notmike: no idea, show your iptables-save output |
| 08:03.06 | strk | why is it that libming is not in Debian GNU/Linux 8.5 (jessie) packages anymore ? |
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| 08:16.24 | TomTomTosch | strk: looks like licensing issues that didn't get resolved during jessie's freeze period. you can read more here https://packages.qa.debian.org/m/ming.html and here #752629 |
| 08:16.25 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/752629 in ming (closed, patch, wheezy-ignore): «ming is licensed under the PHP license and is not PHP»; severity: serious; opened: 2013-10-29; last modified: 2017-01-08. |
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| 08:25.55 | strk | judd: there used to be different packages, so that PHP could have been left out w/out affecting the C/C++ libraries |
| 08:26.03 | strk | I mean TomTomTosch ... |
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| 08:28.49 | jelly | strk: if you look at the removal reasons, the software has been abandoned by upstream since 2010 and has issues other than php related |
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| 08:30.35 | strk | last commit is actually from Wed Feb 3 16:32:20 2016 +0100 |
| 08:30.52 | strk | and 0.4.7 was released on Fri May 15 11:43:14 2015 +0200 |
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| 08:31.26 | jelly | then you can work on packaging it again |
| 08:31.37 | strk | https://github.com/libming/libming/releases |
| 08:31.46 | strk | yep, point taken |
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| 09:20.02 | Resilience | hello to everyone, I am testing some software (snap7, for communicating with siemens PLC's) and it is a library (which must b compiled) and comes with some precompiled clients, it says to copy it to /usr/lib (I have made a soft link from /usr/lib to the real lib) and I wonder if is there any way to not copy the lib to /usr/lib but adding the path for the <compiled-path>/lib.so for precompiled examples |
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| 09:21.54 | watmm | Still stuck on how to find which processes are responsible for overcommitting memory, anyone? |
| 09:22.31 | watmm | Committed_AS in /proc/memory is high |
| 09:22.37 | watmm | meminfo even |
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| 09:35.01 | jolt | watmm: It's really out of my league, but maybe you could use something like flamegraphs to analyse that and find the culprit? |
| 09:35.33 | jolt | As in http://www.brendangregg.com/FlameGraphs/memoryflamegraphs.html |
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| 09:35.50 | jcplouf | hi, I have a dell server with a hardware raid array that appears as /dev/sdb, can I just mkfs and mount it as a normal disk or do I need something special to use it? |
| 09:36.12 | jolt | jcplouf: you could, but I recommend to run cfdisk /dev/sdb and create a parition first |
| 09:36.14 | jolt | then mount that |
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| 09:37.13 | jcplouf | jolt: ok but I can use it as a regular disk then? nothing special comes from the fact that it's a raid array underneath? |
| 09:37.21 | jolt | jcplouf: Also install openmanage from dell to monitor the health |
| 09:37.36 | jolt | jcplouf: Nope, thats the nice part about HW RAID |
| 09:38.02 | jcplouf | great, I was afraid I was missing something |
| 09:38.03 | jcplouf | thanks |
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| 09:48.15 | AndreasLutro | I'm a little confused about the security mirror. should it have higher apt priority than the standard mirror, or the same? |
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| 09:49.08 | AndreasLutro | linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 has version 3.16.39-1 in the "standard" debian mirror, but 3.16.36-1+deb8u2 in security - my intuition says the former should be the one to install but then why is the security version there at all? |
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| 09:52.11 | babilen | judd: v linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 |
| 09:52.12 | judd | Package: linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 on amd64 -- jessie-updates: 3.16.7-ckt25-2; jessie-security: 3.16.36-1+deb8u2; jessie: 3.16.39-1 |
| 09:52.32 | babilen | AndreasLutro: It might have been upgraded during a point release |
| 09:53.01 | babilen | (and the version in jessie-security wasn't removed) |
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| 09:59.02 | noc_ | Resilience, LD_PRELOAD=/path/to/lib.so mycommand could work, if the program is well written. In theory, the path could even be hard-coded in the binary, although generally this is avoided. |
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| 09:59.39 | Resilience | noc_, it is not hardcoded, that's why I was asking |
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| 10:08.41 | muggles_ | for some reason scp does not work for me, but ssh works fine |
| 10:08.53 | muggles_ | i never had this issue before. |
| 10:09.00 | muggles_ | scp works fine to other servers |
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| 10:10.41 | muggles_ | ugh nevermind, ugly bashrc |
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| 10:30.18 | trotski2000 | hi - can i run debian testing as a rolling distro? |
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| 10:31.43 | GPenguin | trotski2000: no, that would be Sid thebn |
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| 10:32.05 | bolt | trotski2000: what do you mean by that? you can bind to "testing" instead of "stretch", in which case you'd start getting new stuff when stretch is out |
| 10:32.20 | trotski2000 | bolt: how can I do that? |
| 10:32.34 | bolt | trotski2000: just edit your sources.list ? |
| 10:32.44 | trotski2000 | that's what I would like to do - to follow testing, not to keep stretch when it is out |
| 10:33.03 | bolt | trotski2000: why? |
| 10:33.24 | trotski2000 | bolt: ok but what should I put in sources.list to keep following testing and not stick to stretch when it is out? |
| 10:33.27 | n4dir | replace the word stretch in the sources.list with the word testing. Though imho testing or sid are not really rolling distros |
| 10:33.48 | trotski2000 | bolt: to have newer packages and to have a rolling-like update process |
| 10:33.48 | bolt | trotski2000: as i said, "you can bind to "testing" instead of "stretch", in which case you'd start getting new stuff when stretch is out" |
| 10:33.51 | n4dir | during the freeze not much happens in them, and that is quite a long time |
| 10:34.05 | bolt | trotski2000: you mean you want stuff to continously break at random times, when you need to get work done? |
| 10:34.06 | trotski2000 | n4dir: how long is the freeze? |
| 10:34.23 | n4dir | i would say round the lines of half a year, but the old saying is: when it's ready |
| 10:34.41 | trotski2000 | I understand. |
| 10:35.06 | trotski2000 | So the normal behaviour when installing testing is that it follows the next release, which is not "stretch", and when stretch its out it sticks with it - right? |
| 10:35.14 | trotski2000 | *now |
| 10:35.14 | n4dir | if you really want rolling all the time, you may be disappointed. I am not sure what rolling distros exist, but i think arch is said to be one |
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| 10:35.41 | trotski2000 | n4dir: what I would like to avoid is cumbersome updates. I don't like to have to reinstall the whole system |
| 10:35.48 | n4dir | trotski2000: that really depends on what entries sources.list has |
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| 10:36.04 | n4dir | trotski2000: yeah, imho for that debian is very good. |
| 10:36.34 | n4dir | as long i used debian i never reinstalled. |
| 10:36.45 | n4dir | ca 8 years |
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| 10:37.32 | trotski2000 | n4dir: wow, that sounds good! |
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| 10:37.56 | Iridos | trotski2000, at the moment, stretch is testing. if you have "testing" as a keyword in your sources.list, you will keep following testing, whatever the codename of the future stable release is that testing prepares for |
| 10:38.00 | trotski2000 | so the you just seamlessly upgrade from major release to major release? No need to backup user date, reinstall and re-configure? |
| 10:38.02 | n4dir | once or twice i had to recover from backup, though |
| 10:38.20 | Pimmel | wooo, n4dir is a hero ?? i can't belive it ,i reinstall every two weeks... |
| 10:38.25 | n4dir | like said, trotski2000 i hadn't to |
| 10:39.10 | trotski2000 | Pimmel: lol |
| 10:39.23 | Iridos | trotski2000, yes⦠updates work pretty well, if you (mostly) only use packages from debian and don't mix in packages from ubuntu ppas, random repos of random projects that offer .deb files or somesuch (you should of course still have a backup) |
| 10:39.25 | n4dir | trotski2000: if using testing or sid, make sure to install apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges (or similar) and consider a backup for the seldom case things go realy south |
| 10:39.47 | n4dir | and what Iridos said |
| 10:40.01 | trotski2000 | Iridos: ok, sounds good. |
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| 10:40.39 | Iridos | if you DO mix crappy packages in, you can end up in a world of pain where it's easier to just re-install (it's still possible to fix things, but it's a lot of work) |
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| 10:41.40 | Iridos | but I think I also ⦠didn't do a fresh install from 2001 to 2012 or so? |
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| 10:42.06 | Iridos | cloning the existing system just seemed easier |
| 10:42.38 | Iridos | oh, and don't mix in packages from testing into stable, that also doesn't work |
| 10:42.39 | n4dir | lol, yeah, that too |
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| 10:42.56 | Iridos | (for the most part) |
| 10:43.07 | n4dir | (just rsync an existing installation to a different PC/laptop/etc) |
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| 10:43.34 | n4dir | mixing testing and sid is a different thing. Some recommend it highly, some get foam at mouth if it is mentioned |
| 10:43.49 | n4dir | even the channel bot offers different opinions on the question ... lol |
| 10:44.22 | trotski2000 | n4dir: but I've read that testing is very stable and that stuff mostly never breaks, right? |
| 10:45.04 | Iridos | well⦠it's ok for testing/unstable to break⦠and fixes only go into unstable first⦠so if you can't wait for an important fix, you must mix testing and unstable⦠|
| 10:45.05 | n4dir | as far it's me: yes. But i got a) comfortable hardware and b) don't rely on certain apps (mainly DE's ) to work all the time |
| 10:45.24 | n4dir | to keep it short: imho, in general: yes, that is right |
| 10:45.40 | Iridos | trotski2000, if you run testing, be prepared to fix stuff. |
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| 10:46.06 | n4dir | apt-get install apt-listbugs will keep a lot of problems out ... |
| 10:46.08 | Iridos | actually⦠also be prepared to fix stuff if you run stable⦠but the good thing in stable is, that it then stays fixed for 2-3 years |
| 10:46.44 | n4dir | Iridos: fix it, or wait for it to be fixed from the repos ... :-) |
| 10:46.44 | trotski2000 | this is how my sources.list looks: |
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| 10:46.54 | trotski2000 | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/c28iZton/ |
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| 10:47.30 | trotski2000 | I don't mind fixing stuff if the fixes are available and well documented |
| 10:47.32 | n4dir | trotski2000: you only need the src-lines if you plan to install packages from source |
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| 10:48.08 | n4dir | not that it would matter much ... |
| 10:49.02 | n4dir | no contrib or non-free, RMS would be proud :-) |
| 10:49.22 | trotski2000 | :) |
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| 10:51.26 | n4dir | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable#What_are_some_best_practices_for_testing.2Fsid_users.3F i guess that is an ok overview |
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| 10:54.14 | trotski2000 | n4dir: thanks |
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| 10:56.51 | trotski2000 | n4dir: how does apt-listbugs work? |
| 10:59.46 | trotski2000 | i see, it warns you if there is any bug in the packages being upgraded |
| 11:00.20 | n4dir | iirc: i do "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" (or dist-upgrade), and it will list *known* bugs before i hit enter when getting asked "proceed?" Round the lines of that |
| 11:00.38 | n4dir | ups, too slow ... you figured it already :-) |
| 11:00.54 | n4dir | must be a known bug, but that already helps often |
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| 11:01.28 | mugglez | anyone here using fail2ban?, how should i setup fail2ban to be kind to external workers? |
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| 11:01.58 | NoxiousPloK | make sure they learn their passwords or use certificates? |
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| 11:02.19 | CRM114 | what do I need to do to mount a FAT filesystem on Debian? |
| 11:02.25 | n4dir | mugglez: iirc default setup is fine (ban after 3 failed login-attempts and not for that long?) |
| 11:02.49 | CRM114 | I have a USB stick and it's not mounting |
| 11:03.00 | mugglez | NoxiousPloK: i guess i didnt think about why it happens. i guess i should take a look at why he keeps failing to connect. |
| 11:03.14 | NoxiousPloK | heh :) |
| 11:03.35 | CRM114 | I get "mount: unknown filesystem type 'vfat'" error message from mount |
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| 11:05.26 | n4dir | !ntfs-3g ? |
| 11:05.26 | dpkg | NTFS-3G is a userspace driver providing NTFS read and write support. "aptitude install ntfs-3g". Usage examples: http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-download/#usage . Also ask me about <user accessible ntfs>. |
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| 11:05.37 | n4dir | not sure |
| 11:05.56 | jelly | CRM114: that ought to work unless you have a custom kernel. Which debian release is this? |
| 11:06.05 | CRM114 | Jessie, pretty much defalut |
| 11:06.22 | jelly | CRM114: did you reboot after the last kernel upgrade/patches? |
| 11:06.39 | CRM114 | jelly: not sure |
| 11:06.55 | CRM114 | she system has been up for 14 days |
| 11:06.57 | jelly | CRM114: what does "uname -a" say |
| 11:07.20 | CRM114 | 12:06:27 up 14 days, 51 min, 4 users, load average: 0.09, 0.12, 0.13 |
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| 11:07.35 | jelly | that's "uptime" not "uname -a" |
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| 11:07.53 | CRM114 | ups |
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| 11:08.09 | CRM114 | 3.16.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.16.36-1+deb8u2 (2016-10-19) i686 GNU/Linux |
| 11:08.45 | jelly | not the latest, so there's a possibility you patched it up since |
| 11:08.58 | CRM114 | ok, I'll reboot then |
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| 11:13.12 | mugglez | NoxiousPloK: any idea how to check why fail2ban chose to ban something? |
| 11:13.25 | mugglez | fail2ban.log is just full of ips, which does not help me so much |
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| 11:15.37 | Aebian | hey guys, I accidently did sudo rm -r on a folder. There is no undo option for that right? |
| 11:15.51 | Urchin | Aebian: nope |
| 11:16.00 | jelly | Aebian: not unless you have backups |
| 11:16.14 | NoxiousPloK | mugglez: afaik there are some fail2ban log parsers.. but its been ages since I played with it |
| 11:16.17 | Aebian | not for that folder then uhm yeah gg |
| 11:16.23 | Aebian | thx |
| 11:16.29 | NoxiousPloK | http://www.the-art-of-web.com/system/fail2ban-log/ |
| 11:16.31 | NoxiousPloK | or that |
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| 11:16.33 | NoxiousPloK | @ mugglez |
| 11:16.40 | NoxiousPloK | my workday is over so I'm going afk ;-) |
| 11:16.43 | NoxiousPloK | good luck! |
| 11:16.53 | mugglez | NoxiousPloK: thanks ill read it :) |
| 11:16.56 | Urchin | jelly: btw, thanks, it worked |
| 11:16.59 | NoxiousPloK | :) |
| 11:16.59 | mugglez | have a nice day! |
| 11:17.30 | jelly | you're welcome, even if don't remember what for |
| 11:18.03 | Urchin | jelly: I'm CRM114 |
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| 11:21.20 | deni | does anyone have issue with xscreensaver not locking the screen immediately after resuming from suspend? |
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| 11:21.46 | deni | sometimes there's a noticeable lag and I can see the screen and sometimes if I move the mouse before it kicks in it doesn't lock at all |
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| 11:22.11 | deni | all the bug reports I've found are from like 2013 and marked as fixed so I'm not sure what's going on |
| 11:22.36 | deni | one comment noted that pm-utils is not installed and that this might be the reason? Is pm-utils still something that's used on debian? |
| 11:22.45 | deni | (with the systemd migration and all) |
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| 11:34.16 | bolt | Aebian: you might be able to use an undelete tool, given your file system wasn't modified after the delete |
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| 11:38.07 | jolt | deni: I added a lock script in /etc/acpi/events for lid close, just to be sure |
| 11:39.56 | deni | jolt: I have HandleLidSwitch=suspend in /etc/systemd/logind.conf |
| 11:40.02 | deni | I'm not sure how those 2 would colide then |
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| 12:05.39 | Aebian | after I run a sudo command and entered the password I'm not asked again for a short time frame. Can I force to get asked everytime for a specific command then? |
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| 12:06.40 | rdz | Aebian, http://askubuntu.com/questions/636092/how-to-get-sudo-to-prompt-you-for-a-password-each-time |
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| 12:07.26 | rdz | Aebian, basically: add 'timestamp_timeout=0' to defaults in /etc/sudoers |
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| 12:13.47 | bgardner | Hello! I've got a debian 8.7 box that -- at install time -- I only set up wired ethernet. I now want to activate wireless so I installed wireless-tools and firmware-b43-installer. This all works except module 'b43' doesn't insmod at boot. I added a line to /etc/modules but it made no difference. Manually calling 'modprobe b43' *does* work. Advice for my next step? |
| 12:15.07 | trotski2000 | bgardner: what hardware do you have? |
| 12:15.07 | bgardner | exec -bg /usr/bin/ogg123 -q /home/bgardner/.weechat/glass.ogg |
| 12:15.47 | bgardner | Nice, hold on, let me fix that stupidity... |
| 12:16.30 | deni | jolt: that doesn't answer my question.... how is that different from what I already have in /etc/systemd/logind.conf ? and won't it conflict? |
| 12:16.50 | deni | jolt: also for /etc/pm/sleep.d don't I need pm-utils installed? |
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| 12:18.03 | bgardner | trotski2000: BCM4312 |
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| 12:24.36 | bgardner | trotski2000: More specifically: 0c:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY [14e4:4315] (rev 01) |
| 12:26.11 | samba35 | if i want to add some kernel module at boot time how do i add it permanent bases ,i don't want to use modprobe or inmod every time |
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| 12:31.34 | rty | silly question. how do i run terminal in ubuntu? |
| 12:31.59 | rty | cntr alt T doesnt work like i did that in ubuntu |
| 12:32.15 | Amun_Ra | samba35: /etc/modules |
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| 12:33.32 | TomTomTosch | rty: the #ubuntu channel is right over there ---> |
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| 12:34.50 | samba35 | ok thanks |
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| 12:35.28 | rty | i meant how how to run terminal in debian |
| 12:35.46 | TomTomTosch | that depends on your desktop environment. |
| 12:35.50 | CRM114 | rty: what sort of a desktop environment do you have running? |
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| 12:37.14 | samba35 | Amun_Ra: when i add any device or service do i have to run grub -update or initramfs -u ? with new kernels ? |
| 12:37.30 | Amun_Ra | samba35: no |
| 12:37.42 | rty | it's xfce i think. im used to gnome and dont know much about other desctops |
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| 12:37.51 | samba35 | thanks Amun_Ra |
| 12:38.01 | CRM114 | rty: you're using a KDE chat client |
| 12:38.06 | samba35 | brb ,just check with reboot |
| 12:38.22 | rty | im in ubuntu now, |
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| 12:39.12 | CRM114 | rty: so "Alt+F2 konsole" for KDE terminal, and "Alt+F2 xfce4-terminal" for xfce terminal |
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| 12:40.46 | rty | ok thx. i will try it later. |
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| 12:42.14 | rty | im in ubuntu now with gnome environment, using kvirc. i dunno why u think it's kde environment |
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| 12:43.48 | CRM114 | rty: simply an assumption based on you using KDE's IRC client |
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| 12:44.34 | rty | thx again for ur tip. ive installed debian just to see difference between ubuntu and debian |
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| 12:48.35 | CRM114 | rty: no Unity |
| 12:49.54 | CRM114 | rty: get a book, Linux Bible, or Ubuntu Bible, those usually cover the basics and some neat tricks pretty well, not sure when's the latest edition, but they usually update them often |
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| 12:53.00 | CRM114 | rty: also, if someone tells you to install Gentoo, he's trolling and wants to make you suffer |
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| 12:53.38 | rty | are u joking? |
| 12:53.57 | CRM114 | no |
| 12:54.09 | CRM114 | it's a fairly common trolling tactic |
| 12:54.23 | CRM114 | you can look it up on know your meme site |
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| 13:06.19 | Freemon | hey guys |
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| 13:06.45 | Freemon | is their any way to show the EIXF data and video time length in nautilus ? |
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| 13:08.16 | unborn | CRM114: gentoo is good but debian is much better.. I am not expert for trolling but I've been using gentoo as my first distro back in 2006.. yes it was not easy but when switching to other distros I was able to work it out if any problems.. thanks to the fact I had to do all things in gentoo manually from scratch.. |
| 13:08.35 | Freemon | i want to know |
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| 13:08.50 | Freemon | if it is possaible in nautilus to show viedo time length? |
| 13:09.00 | Freemon | or image EIXF data? |
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| 13:09.21 | unborn | CRM114: somewhere in 2015 I realised that I should be running debian on desktop.. not only on servers.. and since then only debian exist for me ;) |
| 13:09.54 | unborn | ...so its not that bad at all. |
| 13:10.12 | Freemon | help me@! |
| 13:10.50 | jcplouf | anyone know stuff about GPUs on headless servers? I'm not sure what to install.. |
| 13:11.29 | sypher | jcplouf: A little more detail on that? What are you trying to do? |
| 13:11.41 | Freemon | u have to compiler it seperately with ur kernal header |
| 13:12.37 | jcplouf | sypher: I have a big server with two big gpus inside, I installed a debian as a host OS on it |
| 13:12.58 | jcplouf | sypher: I'm going to set up kvm next |
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| 13:13.37 | sypher | jcplouf: Trying to go GPU passthrough to the guests? |
| 13:13.38 | jcplouf | sypher: if I don't have an X server on the host debian, will the VMs be able to use the GPUs for their applications? |
| 13:14.07 | jcplouf | something like that yeah sypher |
| 13:14.22 | sypher | sypher: I -believe- that QEMU-KVM has the ability to grant guests access to the host's GPU, but that's not something I've ever really messed with myself. |
| 13:14.31 | sypher | wtf, I just replied to myself. |
| 13:14.34 | sypher | jcplouf: That stuff. |
| 13:14.40 | jcplouf | hehe I got it |
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| 13:14.55 | jcplouf | I don't know if I should install the nvidia driver or a X server on the host |
| 13:15.06 | jcplouf | or just do everything on the guests |
| 13:15.39 | sypher | jcplouf: The guests don't have a GPU, they only see the hardware that KVM exposes. |
| 13:15.44 | sd7gs6 | am I right thinking that as long as apt upgrade says 0 not upgraded, full-upgrade is never needed to be used? |
| 13:15.46 | sypher | jcplouf: At the same time, you're not running X on the host. |
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| 13:28.43 | ilmaisin | hi |
| 13:29.10 | elecphon | hey |
| 13:29.55 | ilmaisin | what to do if systemctl --user outputs "Failed to get D-Bus connection: Connection refused"? libpam-systemd is installed |
| 13:30.02 | ilmaisin | i am using ssh connection |
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| 13:33.50 | elecphon | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd/User#D-Bus |
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| 13:34.03 | elecphon | does it help? |
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| 13:34.59 | ilmaisin | elecphon: that anchor is no more on that page but i try |
| 13:35.22 | elecphon | oww ya ya ma bad |
| 13:36.21 | ilmaisin | looks very very complicated, i think i give up |
| 13:36.51 | ilmaisin | it's not that important after all |
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| 13:47.11 | Iridos | Is there a nice thing to create ⦠topology craphs from scratch |
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| 13:51.01 | Iridos | uh, I need a label for each node |
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| 13:57.09 | Aebian | rdz: thanks for the link code worked. n1 |
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| 13:59.22 | _boreeas_ | I'm having issues preparing a debian7 vm image from scratch. In particular, grub complains that it can't find the partitions. My current setup process is as follows: I use qemu-img to create an empty 6G raw file |
| 14:00.35 | _boreeas_ | I then use parted to create a msdos partition table, with a 500MB ext3 partition for /boot and a 5.5G xfs partition for /. I then loopback mount the file with losetup, and call mkfs on those two partitions |
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| 14:02.08 | _boreeas_ | I then use kpartx to mount those partitions, and use losetup to bind /dev/loop0pX to /dev/loopX, and mount those to to some mount point (/tmp/something). I then bind-mount proc,sys and dev |
| 14:03.16 | _boreeas_ | Then do debootstrap on that mountpoint, do some post-processing, then chroot into it, generate the fstab and grub's device.map by reading the partition UUIDs from blkid |
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| 14:03.46 | petn-randall | _boreeas_: Is there a reason you're using oldstable and not stable? |
| 14:04.31 | _boreeas_ | I then try to generate a grub.cfg, and get errors like "/usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/mapper/loop0p2. Check your device.map." |
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| 14:05.35 | _boreeas_ | petn-randall: Yeah, external requirements. We need to test software against several distros, including deb7 and deb8. We have a script that can generate deb8 vm images, but nothing for deb7 |
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| 14:06.11 | petn-randall | _boreeas_: My approach to this was to just do a manual installation, and use virt-sysprep to prepare the "virgin" image. |
| 14:06.15 | _boreeas_ | In particular, we use vmdebootstrap for deb8, but that fails for deb7 due to some issues with grub and/or xfsa |
| 14:06.41 | petn-randall | _boreeas_: I don't know if that approach works for you, but it's pretty quick and let's you customize the image if you need to. |
| 14:07.01 | _boreeas_ | petn-randall: You mean, just mount the installation iso and click through it? |
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| 14:07.24 | petn-randall | _boreeas_: Yeah, and when you have a finished installation, you can prepare clones from it via virt-sysprep. |
| 14:07.31 | _boreeas_ | That was my preferred approach, too, but they wanted something that will still work automatically in a couple of years when I'm gone |
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| 14:07.47 | _boreeas_ | in case they lose the template img or something |
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| 14:08.24 | petn-randall | _boreeas_: I haven't worked with the other tools yet, so I can't give you first hand advice on those, sorry. |
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| 14:21.02 | bgardner | I have a laptop that was installed with wired networking only, but now I'm switching to wireless. The card is a Broadcom and works since I installed wireless-tools and firmware-b43-installer, but the 'b43' module does not insmod on reboot. I can 'modprobe b43' and everything works, but putting 'b43' in /etc/modules did not work. Suggestions? |
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| 14:21.45 | bgardner | This is Debian 8.7, and the hardware is: 0c:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY [14e4:4315] (rev 01) |
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| 14:28.01 | unborn | - man I hate taxman :) |
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| 14:43.42 | Iridos | bgardner, you can load it manually and network and everything works? |
| 14:44.00 | bgardner | Iridos: Yes, this box I'm on now is the one with this issue. |
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| 14:47.27 | bgardner | Iridos: Which is to say, I'm connected via the wireless card and I had to 'modprobe b43' to get here. |
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| 15:01.29 | Iridos | bgardner, that seems to suggest you got the correct firmware⦠the module could be blacklisted, but that would have been something you did yourself some time previous |
| 15:01.31 | Iridos | dpkg, blacklist |
| 15:01.32 | dpkg | To blacklist a Linux kernel module, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting |
| 15:01.51 | Iridos | that would still be the simplest thing I could think of |
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| 15:02.37 | bgardner | Iridos: Oof, it totally is in the blacklist file. Yike, you'd think I would have checked that.. Thanks! |
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| 15:04.05 | Iridos | :D |
| 15:04.23 | Iridos | that's a good thing⦠because the next thing would have been to debug the udev process |
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| 15:16.17 | bgardner | Iridos: I can't reboot right now to test but I'm confident that will fix it. Thanks very much for the help! |
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| 15:30.13 | sd7gs6 | as long as upgrade says '0 not upgraded', there is no need to ever full-upgrade? |
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| 15:37.01 | petn-randall | sd7gs6: That just means that whatever command you used, no packages where upgraded in the process. |
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| 15:37.43 | petn-randall | sd7gs6: generally it's good advice to run 'apt update' followed by 'apt upgrade' regularly on a system running Debian stable. |
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| 15:39.08 | sd7gs6 | petn-randall: I mean as long-term updates, apt update, then is it okay to only ever run apt upgrade afterwards - not full - unless amount of not upgraded is non-zero? |
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| 15:43.11 | sypher | sd7gs6: What issue are you having? Your questions so far have been a little confusing. |
| 15:43.17 | Iridos | no |
| 15:44.13 | Iridos | the difference between upgrade and full-upgrade is that "upgrade" only does package->package upgrades and skips everything else, while full-upgrade will also upgrade packages that need packageadditions or removals |
| 15:44.17 | sd7gs6 | sorry I mean when doing updates, does one only need to do full-upgrade following an update if upgrade shows non-zero amount for not upgraded? |
| 15:44.43 | Iridos | so the amount of upgrades in one has nothing to do with the ones in the other |
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| 15:45.23 | zykotick9 | Iridos: ahh, with "apt upgrade" doesn't it also do package additions (ie new versions) and it just doens't do removals? |
| 15:45.27 | LiENUS | theres not an option to have apt install all of the dependencies for a package but not the package itself is there? |
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| 15:46.31 | sypher | zykotick9: Correct. |
| 15:46.42 | zykotick9 | sypher: thanks. |
| 15:46.56 | LiENUS | or something i could do on command line with gdebi or dpkg |
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| 15:46.58 | sypher | 'man apt' is fairly clear on this point. |
| 15:47.40 | Iridos | zykotick9, I thought anything but a linear pkg(1.0)->pkg(1.1) or somesuch needs a full-upgrade⦠but maybe it's only removals⦠|
| 15:47.52 | LiENUS | im trying to work around distributing a non opensource package in a disk image, i want it ready to install the package as soon as the image is installed but not actually distribute the package or its contents |
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| 15:48.09 | Iridos | well, fair enough |
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| 16:06.51 | somebody | How to enable php in apache2? |
| 16:07.01 | somebody | Phpinfo shows me blank page |
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| 16:09.09 | somebody | anyoneh ere? |
| 16:10.31 | LiENUS | somebody, shows you a blank page or shows you a page with just phpinfo(); on it? |
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| 16:13.31 | somebody | it shows me blank page |
| 16:13.35 | somebody | but whe n i go to source it shows me code |
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| 16:22.57 | LiENUS | somebody, you see phpinfo(); or html tags? |
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| 16:23.19 | LiENUS | i ask because phpinfo(); can be disabled and it outputs a blank page |
| 16:24.28 | somebody | phpinfo()l; |
| 16:24.49 | somebody | phpinfo(); |
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| 16:25.11 | notmike | Can't read the topic. Does it say unwanted private messaging? You guys want me to message you? What? What |
| 16:25.23 | LiENUS | do you have php included in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled? |
| 16:25.26 | notmike | OK, will do |
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| 16:31.37 | somebody | @Lienusi think i havent |
| 16:31.40 | somebody | i didnt change nothing to be hoenst |
| 16:31.42 | somebody | How can i enable that ? |
| 16:31.48 | somebody | In mods enabled? |
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| 16:33.55 | somebody | in mods enabled theres nothing about php |
| 16:34.17 | somebody | just some cgi and ssl @Lienus |
| 16:34.21 | LiENUS | a2enmod php5 |
| 16:35.52 | somebody | yes there is config now |
| 16:35.54 | somebody | php5_cgi |
| 16:36.06 | somebody | i did a2enmod php5_cgi |
| 16:36.16 | somebody | but still blank page |
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| 16:38.00 | somebody | @lienus so php is enabled in aache now yes? |
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| 16:50.23 | LiENUS | may have to restart apache, i forget how to do that as im not using apache anymore |
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| 16:51.56 | LiENUS | also you should prolly switch to either mod php or fpm |
| 16:52.22 | LiENUS | fpm is preferable but more complex to setupi |
| 16:52.25 | LiENUS | though no more so than cgi |
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| 16:58.13 | somebody | WHy i cant install libapache2-mod-php5? http://pastebin.com/j1vyzcnM |
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| 17:00.47 | TomTomTosch | is that debian wheezy? |
| 17:00.52 | TomTomTosch | !bat |
| 17:00.52 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 17:12.46 | somebody | @tomTomTosch apaste.info/xUT2y yeah debian 7.1 |
| 17:13.14 | somebody | apt-cache policy etc |
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| 17:15.03 | toruvinn | ar, /lshn |
| 17:15.06 | toruvinn | oops, sorry |
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| 17:21.32 | TomTomTosch | somebody: the factoid mentions more. apt-cache policy apache2.2-common apache2.2-bin libapr1 libaprutil1-ldap libssl1.0.0 mount libblkid1 libmount1 at least. |
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| 17:25.09 | TomTomTosch | i wonder how mount got to be in that list. |
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| 17:27.48 | asarch | When you set a new entry in the crontab, how long does it take to the system to do the new task? |
| 17:28.03 | asarch | Do I have to reboot the system in order to enable the new task? |
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| 17:30.29 | ubd | hello how can i run a program after 2 hours |
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| 17:31.51 | somebody | TomTomTosch |
| 17:31.55 | somebody | Why i cant install that package? |
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| 17:32.35 | somebody | http://apaste.info/xUT2y |
| 17:33.22 | TomTomTosch | how should i know, you havn't given me the information i asked for. |
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| 17:36.21 | somebody | apt-get run and apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2 there isnt even such command |
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| 17:36.36 | somebody | there is apt-cache policy and apt-get install * wich failed |
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| 17:37.02 | TomTomTosch | no, you have to fill that example with actual packages. i even gave you the exact command to run. |
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| 17:37.10 | petn-randall | somebody: "apt-get/apt/aptitude run" is not to be taken literally. |
| 17:37.22 | somebody | xD |
| 17:37.24 | TomTomTosch | apt-cache policy apache2.2-common apache2.2-bin libapr1 libaprutil1-ldap libssl1.0.0 mount libblkid1 libmount1 |
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| 17:40.18 | somebody | http://apaste.info/shvNX- updated |
| 17:40.23 | somebody | without - |
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| 17:44.56 | somebody | http://paste.debian.net/911626 |
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| 17:45.07 | somebody | So anybody knows ? |
| 17:45.23 | Vizva | <somebody whats about install missing things by hand if youre not able to follow instructions of <TomTomTosch> |
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| 17:46.10 | TomTomTosch | I don't see anything wrong with that output. does the error change when you repeat the install? |
| 17:46.12 | somebody | Im fixing that 6th hour sorry i think i posted everything |
| 17:46.30 | Vizva | libapr1 example install a recent version of it |
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| 17:46.43 | Vizva | and then all the other |
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| 17:47.23 | TomTomTosch | the version of libapr1 already is the most recent. |
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| 17:47.36 | Vizva | so |
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| 17:48.12 | TomTomTosch | somebody: maybe aptitude has more useful output. |
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| 17:48.46 | jelly | ,v procps |
| 17:48.55 | judd | Package: procps on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:3.3.3-3; jessie: 2:3.3.9-9; stretch: 2:3.3.12-3; sid: 2:3.3.12-3 |
| 17:49.28 | jelly | so... somebody had either "jessie" or "stable" repos enabled at some point in time and installed stuff from there |
| 17:49.32 | TomTomTosch | heh, never mind. i'm blind. |
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| 17:49.46 | Vizva | http://serverfault.com/questions/521898/why-apt-is-not-installing-dependencies-on-wheezy#521914 |
| 17:50.14 | jelly | somebody: shit is broken. Do you have backups of this installation? |
| 17:50.23 | Vizva | <somebody> maybe this could have information for you |
| 17:50.25 | somebody | http://paste.debian.net/911627 |
| 17:50.40 | Vizva | dpkg --get-selections | awk '{if ($2 == "hold") print $0;}' |
| 17:50.40 | dpkg | selects vizva's family photos collection |
| 17:50.42 | somebody | oh not really |
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| 17:51.25 | grumpy | Hi All |
| 17:51.58 | grumpy | anyone there who installed kodi in debian 8 recently? |
| 17:52.13 | jelly | somebody: you have package versions from debian 8, like "perl" and "procps" and probably "dpkg", installed on your debian 7 system. |
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| 17:52.39 | jelly | downgrading dpkg and perl is going to be very hard to do |
| 17:53.37 | grumpy | anyone who can give me stable kodi source.list source |
| 17:53.41 | jelly | somebody: honestly at this point I'd advise going straight to debian 8 (jessie) or restoring a backup from before this happened. |
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| 17:54.21 | jelly | that said, I have my own wheezies to upgrade tonight. |
| 17:54.41 | Vizva | <somebody> make a backup before of your home directory |
| 17:55.38 | jelly | make a backup of everything, why just /home |
| 17:56.09 | somebody | Ill do that right now! lol |
| 17:56.13 | grumpy | anyone: help me for stable kodi source for debian 8 |
| 17:56.13 | Vizva | depends on whats important |
| 17:57.39 | Vizva | for myself i have everything important in home , on a new system i create all other things new |
| 17:57.58 | jelly | grumpy: there's a build of 16.1 in jessie-backports. Read /msg dpkg jessie-backports |
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| 17:58.20 | Vizva | someone you could lead to copy things from an old system into new system libs and configs |
| 17:58.37 | jelly | hopefully not libs |
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| 17:59.06 | grumpy | jelly: i am new to debian its my first start please help me what is the msg n how to read |
| 17:59.21 | awal1 | ,v kodi |
| 17:59.23 | judd | Package: kodi on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 16.1+dfsg1-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 2:17.0~rc2+dfsg1-1; sid: 2:17.0~rc3+dfsg1-2; jessie-multimedia: 5:14.2+repack-dmo1b2; sid-multimedia: 5:16.1-dmo8 |
| 17:59.43 | jelly | grumpy: type this in your irc client verbatim, / being the first character: /msg dpkg jessie-backports |
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| 18:00.05 | grumpy | verbatim |
| 18:00.19 | jelly | grumpy: you will get a response from "dpkg" bot in a separate window. Follow those instructions. |
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| 18:00.54 | jelly | eh. |
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| 18:00.59 | jelly | dpkg, tell grumpy about jessie-backports |
| 18:01.34 | Vizva | !jessie-backports |
| 18:01.35 | dpkg | Selected packages intended for the Debian 9 "Stretch" release but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. Note that jessie-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main». Also ask me about <bdo>. |
| 18:02.00 | jelly | grumpy: or read the instructions for "jessie" on https://backports.debian.org/ |
| 18:02.10 | awal1 | grumpy, edit you sources file and add this two lines deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian jessie-backports main contrib non-free deb-src http://httpredir.debian.org/debian jessie-backports main contrib non-free |
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| 18:04.11 | awal1 | grumpy: su + root password then nano /etc/apt/sources.list Paste those two line and ctrl+o+Enter for save - ctrl+x for close nano editor. then: apt-get update && apt-get -t jessie-backports install kodi . That's all |
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| 18:04.31 | grumpy | awal1: if i add these two line will i able to install kodi's stable version |
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| 18:05.03 | awal1 | log out from your desktop environement and select kodi in your login screen |
| 18:05.29 | grumpy | awal1: thanks |
| 18:05.31 | awal1 | just do what I told you. later check what backports means in debian wiki |
| 18:07.07 | jelly | you will be able to install debian's build of kodi. This may not be the exact stuff you expect it to be |
| 18:07.23 | grumpy | awl1: i was using deb http://http.debian.net/debian jessie-backports main but faild |
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| 18:07.40 | jelly | how did it fail? |
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| 18:07.49 | awal1 | httpredir |
| 18:07.59 | grumpy | kodi- kodi-data missing |
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| 18:08.16 | jelly | ,v kodi-data |
| 18:08.17 | judd | Package: kodi-data on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 16.1+dfsg1-1~bpo8+3; jessie-backports: 16.1+dfsg1-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 2:17.0~rc2+dfsg1-1; sid: 2:17.0~rc3+dfsg1-2; jessie-multimedia: 5:14.2+repack-dmo1b2; sid-multimedia: 5:16.1-dmo8 |
| 18:08.54 | jelly | grumpy: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy kodi kodi-data" and complete output of "apt-get -t jessie-backports install kodi" |
| 18:08.58 | jelly | !paste |
| 18:08.59 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 18:10.35 | converge | I made a mistake and deleted /var/lib , now I cant user apt-get , is there some fix for it ? E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (2: No such file or directory) |
| 18:10.40 | converge | *use |
| 18:12.17 | Vizva | i try that command now |
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| 18:12.22 | Vizva | !backups |
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| 18:12.22 | dpkg | I don't need no steenkin backups. However, I'm sure at least two other mes in parallel dimensions do, so I'm probably good to go. Hopefully the other mes in the other dimensions aren't counting on me to keep backups. Those idiots. <SlayerXP> there are two types of people in this world, those who take my advice regarding RAID and backups, and those who cry when they lose their data. See <things to backup>, <qotd126>, <flw40>. |
| 18:12.38 | Vizva | :P |
| 18:13.26 | Vizva | i didnt know the output |
| 18:13.31 | Vizva | but i was curious |
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| 18:15.07 | tw | semi-related, I've had a hw raid controller w/ battery backup eat a raid1 just last week. Fortunately, I did have backups. |
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| 18:16.11 | Vizva | eat - something like transformers? |
| 18:17.20 | jelly | converge: no, dpkg and apt's state of the system is in /var/lib. Simplest thing to do is reinstall or restore from a previous backup. |
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| 18:17.40 | converge | jelly: tks |
| 18:17.41 | tw | Vizva: It turned a consistent filesystem into garbage after a reboot, the on-disk raid descriptor got into a state where it consistently crashed the board firmware. |
| 18:18.12 | jelly | converge: you can partially recover dpkg's state from files in /var/backups if you did not delete that as well |
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| 18:20.07 | Vizva | tw so it looks like that such raid controller is a nebulous thing |
| 18:20.57 | jelly | tw: nice, did you report the bug to hw vendor |
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| 18:21.32 | tw | Vizva: not sure what you're asking, it was an lsi 9361-8i under contract with dell. |
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| 18:22.10 | Vizva | tw the performance is much better than things like lvm on common hardware? |
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| 18:22.58 | tw | jelly: I didn't. I get some IT support in house and had them handle it. |
| 18:24.14 | Vizva | Ensure data protection for performance-hungry applications in mid-range server storage environments LOL |
| 18:24.49 | Vizva | turn into a shredder |
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| 18:25.15 | tw | Vizva: probably not that much faster in this configuration. It does well enough for itself that we don't tweak it for performance. |
| 18:25.17 | awal1 | grumpy, you are missin / after debian |
| 18:25.22 | awal1 | missing |
| 18:25.52 | awal1 | http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main contrib non-free |
| 18:25.52 | Vizva | tw we learn from |
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| 18:26.41 | grumpy | i am not much aware or pastebin how to use but i am sure ones i install kodi i will tel my review |
| 18:26.51 | jelly | awal1: / after debian is not required |
| 18:26.59 | grumpy | now i am reading what is backport n how it works |
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| 18:27.26 | converge | jelly: I was able to restore the /var/backup , tks ! |
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| 18:28.04 | grumpy | awal1: i m learninh how to use irc coz u people are masters n i m just new so tryinv to figure out lots of thing |
| 18:28.30 | grumpy | thanks to all who help me |
| 18:28.33 | jelly | converge: oh, you figured out the correct paths for dpkg and apt and aptitude stuff? |
| 18:29.19 | grumpy | jelly: not yet but i am studying the links |
| 18:29.44 | jelly | that was for converge person, not you grumpy |
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| 18:29.57 | converge | jelly: Im doing a step by step, already created /var/lib/dpkg/(updates and info) directory, |
| 18:30.09 | converge | now its asking for /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives |
| 18:30.15 | grumpy | sorry :( |
| 18:30.48 | grumpy | i will be back again on weekend |
| 18:31.02 | jelly | converge: those are lost, but I guess they could be partially rebuilt from contents of /etc/alternatives |
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| 18:32.36 | Pr0metheus | anyone familiar with strongswan can help me with this: https://paste.gnome.org/pr8x5lqhv |
| 18:32.39 | jelly | converge: you make sure to put latest version of /var/lib/dpkg/status and /var/lib/aptitude/pkgstates and /var/lib/apt/extended_states back and similar stuff back I guess |
| 18:32.45 | jelly | s/you/just/ |
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| 18:34.20 | jelly | converge: after putting those files back, you can reinstall dpkg package itself to bring back other files and directories, then apt and aptitude, then everything else from "dpkg -S /var/lib" |
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| 18:47.04 | bonehead | hello, i screwed up when i was setting up my resolution. Can someone tell me how can i change in in ctrl+alt+f1 mode? |
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| 18:49.04 | bonehead | anyone? no one? |
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| 18:51.08 | bolt | bonehead: you'd have to figure out where your particular desktop environment and/or login manager stores those settings |
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| 18:51.21 | zykotick9 | bonehead: you're not giving a lot of details... 1) do you have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf file or setting in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ directory, that could be moved out of the way? 2) how did you set your resolution? and 3) what graphics are you using? |
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| 18:51.33 | bolt | my desktop resolution is stored in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, but i'm old |
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| 18:54.18 | bonehead | zykotick9: im using openbox with xfce as a layground (bunsenlabs linux). Yes its xorg.conf. the graphics card drivers are fglrx |
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| 18:54.50 | bonehead | and no, i checked xorg.conf for the desktop resolution and nothing is there |
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| 18:55.43 | Vizva | on some changes normally you must accept this changes |
| 18:55.46 | bolt | bonehead: you need to check with #bunsenlabs, then, or whatever the support channel of that would be |
| 18:55.55 | Vizva | you did try run X again with same results? |
| 18:56.01 | bolt | bonehead: you're using a derivative of a derivative of debian, which is not debian |
| 18:56.12 | bonehead | :/ |
| 18:56.17 | bonehead | i guess im in the wrong room |
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| 18:56.49 | jelly | !bunsenlabs |
| 18:56.50 | dpkg | BunsenLabs Linux is a community continuation of <crunchbang> that features the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.bunsenlabs.org/ #bunsenlabs on chat.freenode.net. See <based on debian> |
| 18:56.57 | jelly | too late! |
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| 18:58.11 | styks1987 | general linux question. I want to zip a remote file. Is something like this possible? zip somefile.zip âhttp://remotefile.jpgâ Obviously what I typed here does not work but any workarounds? I donât want to actually download the file to disk |
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| 18:58.31 | bolt | people switching distros to get a different window manager... it's been like that for a while. a sign, perhaps, that a more extensive list of window manager options is called for in the installer? |
| 18:59.07 | bolt | styks1987: you can pipe tools like curl directly into gzip |
| 18:59.47 | bolt | probably "zip" too, though i've never done that |
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| 19:00.06 | styks1987 | ok cool, thanks |
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| 19:20.28 | styks1987 | bolt: canât seem to find an example that works, how do you do it? |
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| 19:20.57 | jelly | styks1987: there are fuse-based filesystems like curlftpfs that can make a remote ftp or http site appear as a filesystem. If you have ssh/sftp access, use sshfs instead |
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| 19:58.38 | jak2000 | my fiel system was mounted as readonly...... |
| 19:58.43 | jak2000 | *file |
| 19:59.04 | somiaj | sounds like it encountered an error and needs to be fsck'ed |
| 19:59.11 | jak2000 | i want reboot the system: and cant because: sudo: "unable to open /var/lib/sudo/ts/jak: Read-only file system" |
| 19:59.13 | jak2000 | why? |
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| 20:00.47 | somiaj | it wants to write something there, just use 'su' to become root (you know your root password)? |
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| 20:06.21 | jelly | jak2000: sometimes the kernel detects a serious error on a filesystem and remounts it read-only to prevent further damage. Look at dmesg for clues. |
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| 20:18.26 | somiaj | jak2000: I'm kinda surprised sudo failed, but sudo writes a timestamp for your user (so you don't have to type the password each time) and it is failing to write this timestamp -- though I would like to think sudo would still work, just ask you for the password next time..... |
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| 20:24.16 | velix | What's a good way to build packages and backport on my own system (not for distribution)? I'm currently using a chroot with schroot as a build environment, but some guys told me to use sbuild oder pbuilder or cowbuilder or docker... What a mess. Actually, I don't like 100% automatic processes, since I often need to change configs manually. Can anyone recommend me a workflow? Please don't link me to debian.org or ubuntu ... I know all those wiki |
| 20:24.16 | velix | entries. |
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| 20:25.24 | jelly | velix: if you manage to figure it out, make a better wiki page please. |
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| 20:26.24 | somiaj | velix: If i really need a clean build enviorment I just use debootstrap + chroot and manaully create a build enviorment. |
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| 20:26.31 | somiaj | velix: I personally use pbuilder |
| 20:26.50 | somiaj | velix: as that was the tool I was directed too, pbuilder login is nice because then you can manually build the package in a chroot |
| 20:27.49 | velix | hmm hmm |
| 20:27.57 | velix | I think, I have to test them all ... |
| 20:28.45 | somiaj | the wiki on pbuilder has a nice config, I can just do things like DIST=stretch ARCH=i386 pbuilder foo, and now i'm using a stretch chroot, also works for ubuntu chroots. |
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| 20:29.25 | jelly | somiaj: what about automated dch entries with ~0somiaj1 appended |
| 20:29.29 | somiaj | sbuild is what gets used to build debian packages and some suggest just using that as the main tool. Though I've also seen articles that like both exist, as it gives some compention and as one tool gains a feature, the other tool adopts, etc... |
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| 20:30.05 | nkuttler | hm, when i send an email to a bug report, am i automatically subscribed? |
| 20:30.28 | somiaj | nkuttler: as a reply or as the person who created the bug report? |
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| 20:31.48 | nkuttler | somiaj: i just wrote to <number>@bugs.debian.org, so a reply i guess? |
| 20:31.51 | velix | somiaj: does it support AUFS? |
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| 20:32.51 | somiaj | velix: not sure on that. |
| 20:33.12 | somiaj | nkuttler: unsure on that, I know the original reporter is automatically subscribed, unsure about someone contributing to the report though. |
| 20:33.35 | missmbob | nkuttler: no |
| 20:34.19 | nkuttler | missmbob: ok. just wondering because i received a duplicate |
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| 20:34.36 | nkuttler | (and i subscribed to the bug in a separate step) |
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| 20:37.40 | micw | hi |
| 20:38.01 | micw | i run stretch on my laptop. upgrade today to kernel 4.9.0 destroyed zfs-dkms :-/ |
| 20:38.37 | micw | http://pastebin.com/XCCf0yzc |
| 20:38.39 | missmbob | try them |
| 20:38.43 | missmbob | !debian-next |
| 20:38.43 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 20:39.08 | micw | sure, thx |
| 20:39.18 | micw | invite only? |
| 20:39.31 | nkuttler | micw: oftc |
| 20:39.43 | micw | i see |
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| 20:40.00 | micw | votes for interconnect all irc networks ^^ |
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| 20:40.44 | somiaj | micw: did you make sure the linux-headers for the 4.9 kernel were also installed? If so check the dkms logs and see why the module did'nt build against that kernel. |
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| 20:42.54 | tabakhase | uhm, export -f function works fine on one system - and fails misserably on the other... |
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| 20:46.30 | somiaj | tabakhase: what shell is each system using? |
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| 20:47.15 | tabakhase | all with !/bin/bash shebang, one normal debian vm via ssh thats "fine" -- the other debian:latest docker that is failing (gitlab-ci) |
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| 20:48.21 | tabakhase | in the docker my split-worm fails on "sh: 1: ecap_OS_PushFunc: not found \n split: with FILE=x00, exit 127 from command: ecap_OS_PushFunc "/tmp/tmp.xuQlnMrvTX"" |
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| 20:50.12 | somiaj | hmm, okay, just making sure it wasn't dash or some other shell causing problems, since /bin/sh -> /bin/dash on debian systems |
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| 20:51.32 | Vlada | ÐÑем пÑивеÑ! I am from Moscow. Does anyone want to chat? |
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| 20:52.58 | velix | Hyper, Hyper! |
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| 20:53.06 | tabakhase | uhm just noticed that s#debian, ill move that to #bash :P |
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| 20:54.22 | jak2000 | jelly/somiaj how to reboot the system without writing something? |
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| 20:54.38 | somiaj | jak2000: did my suggestion of 'su' not work and enter in the roots password? |
| 20:54.50 | jak2000 | somiaj havent password at this moment) |
| 20:54.53 | somiaj | jak2000: some systems will just reboot if you hit ctrl-alt-del |
| 20:54.58 | nkuttler | jak2000: there's always magic sysrq |
| 20:55.01 | peterrooney | jak2000: replace the power cable |
| 20:55.09 | nkuttler | peterrooney: not helpful |
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| 20:55.30 | jak2000 | is a remote server |
| 20:55.34 | jak2000 | a vps :( |
| 20:55.48 | nkuttler | jak2000: don't you have a management tool? |
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| 20:57.15 | somiaj | jak2000: is this over vnc, my vnc clients have an option to send ctrl-alt-del to them |
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| 20:59.29 | jelly | jak2000: echo b >> /proc/sysrq-trigger |
| 21:00.13 | jelly | jak2000: if it's a VPS, it's possible the underlying storage has issues or is full |
| 21:00.23 | jelly | jak2000: was there anything in dmesg? |
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| 21:00.56 | jak2000 | nkuttler yes but the company cloudatcost.com is on a maintenance... |
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| 21:01.17 | jak2000 | echo b >> /proc/sysrq-trigger "-bash: /proc/sysrq-trigger: Permission denied" |
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| 21:01.32 | nkuttler | ah, well, "cost" in the name.. let me guess, no hotline? |
| 21:01.40 | jelly | jak2000: you're not root? |
| 21:02.21 | jak2000 | i am sudoer user |
| 21:02.26 | danke | why would i not be getting a motd when sshing to a box? I have three debian jessie machines, two desktops one server. The server doesn't show a motd |
| 21:02.38 | jelly | one more reason to have an actual root shell open |
| 21:02.50 | jak2000 | http://pastebin.com/am4M39ju |
| 21:02.54 | jelly | jak2000: then you're SOL |
| 21:03.03 | nkuttler | danke: cat /etc/motd |
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| 21:03.39 | somiaj | still seems strange sudo doen'st have a way to deal with a readonly filesystem. |
| 21:04.14 | jelly | jak2000: lots of I/O errors in that output. Contact your provider. |
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| 21:04.24 | danke | $(shasum /etc/motd) returns 8b55aac644e9e6f2701805584cc391ff81d3ecec /etc/motd |
| 21:04.39 | danke | nkuttler, same on all machines |
| 21:05.18 | jelly | it might be just bad drivers for emulated scsi controller, but it's a bit weird for them to go that bad |
| 21:05.19 | nkuttler | danke: sounds like the pam config could be different |
| 21:05.31 | jak2000 | if do mysqldump mydatabase > mydb.sql of course get a PErmission denied on a readonly-system right? |
| 21:05.41 | jak2000 | can do this command and redirecto to a remote server? |
| 21:05.56 | nkuttler | jak2000: tar pipe |
| 21:06.08 | jelly | jak2000: /dev/shm might be writable and using memory as backend |
| 21:06.11 | Henry151 | hello, I'm encountering https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=851066 |
| 21:06.12 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/851066 in flashplugin-nonfree (open): «flashplugin-nonfree: Mismatch between detected and available versions (Download file not available at people.debian.org)»; severity: important; opened: 2017-01-11; last modified: 2017-01-19. |
| 21:06.45 | Henry151 | anybody help me work around it to get flash plugin working again? my nephews are supposed to do their schoolwork and need flash |
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| 21:07.22 | nkuttler | Henry151: dunno, i just use google-chrome when i really need flash.. |
| 21:07.22 | jelly | jak2000: and you could try mysqldump | ssh somewhere 'sh -c "cat > dump.sql"' |
| 21:07.23 | jak2000 | jelly, mysqldump dblacampana > /dev/shm/dbcamp.sql |
| 21:07.28 | jak2000 | mysqldump: Error: 'Can't create/write to file '/tmp/#sql_28d_2.MAI' (Errcode: 30 "Read-only file system")' when trying to dump tablespaces |
| 21:07.35 | jelly | eyup. |
| 21:07.36 | jak2000 | ok |
| 21:07.54 | nkuttler | jak2000: tar over ssh |
| 21:07.56 | jelly | jak2000: since it's read-only you could copy all of /var/lib/mysql |
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| 21:08.11 | jelly | it's not going to get any more or less corrupted... |
| 21:08.16 | Henry151 | nkuttler: I could install google chrome I guess, if that is going to get around the problem |
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| 21:08.50 | jelly | jak2000: but again you won't be able to access those files as normal user |
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| 21:09.12 | jelly | jak2000: if you know root password, maybe "su -" still works |
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| 21:10.31 | graps | Hi all |
| 21:10.31 | jak2000 | no root password |
| 21:10.34 | jak2000 | by moment |
| 21:10.34 | jak2000 | :) |
| 21:10.42 | jak2000 | mysqldump | ssh somewhere 'sh -c "cat > dump.sql"' |
| 21:10.49 | jak2000 | where specify the database? |
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| 21:11.12 | Henry151 | anybody else have any thoughts? or should I just install chrome? |
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| 21:11.25 | nkuttler | jak2000: man mysqldump |
| 21:11.26 | graps | Henry151: What was the topic ? |
| 21:11.34 | Henry151 | hello, I'm encountering https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=851066 |
| 21:11.46 | Henry151 | trying to get flashplayer working |
| 21:12.08 | graps | Henry151: In Firefox ? |
| 21:12.13 | Henry151 | yes |
| 21:12.47 | graps | Henry151: I was directed to pepperflash plugin, which doesn't have frequent updates like Adobe Flash plugins |
| 21:13.11 | somiaj | Henry151: you can just manually download it from adobe and put it in .mozilla/firefox/plugins (or something like that, look up the specific directory) |
| 21:13.26 | graps | Henry151: I'll check with my Debian Wheezy apt-get... |
| 21:13.29 | somiaj | graps: adobe is now prividng an napi plugin again of th enewest version. |
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| 21:13.42 | jak2000 | mysqldump: Got error: 2013: "Lost connection to MySQL server during query" when using LOCK TABLES |
| 21:13.44 | somiaj | the script was getting it for a while, but now there is just a missmatch with what adobe has and the script. |
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| 21:13.49 | jak2000 | want write ... :( |
| 21:14.08 | nkuttler | jak2000: ugh.. |
| 21:14.34 | nkuttler | jak2000: man mysqldump to the rescue |
| 21:14.44 | graps | Henry151: What version of Debian do you use ? |
| 21:14.46 | jak2000 | i know how to dump.... |
| 21:14.56 | jak2000 | wait checking |
| 21:14.57 | jak2000 | something |
| 21:15.00 | graps | somiaj: Is it supported by Debian ? |
| 21:15.41 | somiaj | graps: the script grabs the newest version from adobe, read the bug report, I think the issue is the script compares this version to something on debian's site and that is what is failing. |
| 21:15.44 | Henry151 | graps: it's testing |
| 21:16.02 | somiaj | Henry151: did the bug report not have a work around? |
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| 21:16.10 | somiaj | I didn't read it in detail |
| 21:16.32 | Henry151 | somiaj: it mentioned pepperflash but I couldn't get anything going with that when I tried |
| 21:16.47 | graps | Henry151: There you go, re: Adobe Flash (it's supported for Linux again, maybe Debian). I'll just use pepperflash, but if you're interested: https://wiki.debian.org/PepperFlashPlayer/Installing |
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| 21:17.55 | somiaj | the pepperflash script was in far worse shape last I checked, due to google no longer provides it the same |
| 21:18.02 | somiaj | and pepperflash can also be gotten from adobe directly now |
| 21:18.26 | somiaj | anyways, these are just contrib scripts that are downloading the non-free software from adobe and putting it on your system. There is no reason why you cna't do it manually if the script is broken. |
| 21:18.31 | graps | somiaj: Oh, okay. I am using Ubuntu and am running apt-get install adobeflash (or similar) when it breaks |
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| 21:19.27 | jelly | always reads that nick as gramp |
| 21:19.38 | jelly | gramps* |
| 21:19.39 | somiaj | and due to firefox being nicer about plugins, it is way eaiser to get the firefox plugin working thean the chromium one, chromium doens't just have a plugin dir. |
| 21:19.41 | graps | somiaj: Or...when Firefox version doesn't match the Flash plugin update |
| 21:20.18 | somiaj | graps: I don't see that being an issue, firefox supports napi plugins, unsure why the firefox version would matter here for a thirdparty non-free plugin.... |
| 21:20.19 | graps | jelly: Heh heh |
| 21:20.30 | graps | jelly: I'm not yet a gramps, thankfully |
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| 21:21.55 | kingsley | I'd like to read anecdotes from people who removed systemd of what the consequences were. |
| 21:21.59 | graps | somiaj: Yeah....when I did have broken Flash player issues with Firefox, in the past, I d/l'd the Linux offering, it broke, then researched pepperflash, back in 2014. Since then, Adobe has resumed Linux support of Flash, so they both work again (Firefox and Adobe Flash) |
| 21:22.17 | kingsley | Did removing systemd create more problems than it solved? |
| 21:22.32 | kingsley | Was your life finally showered with meaning and happiness? |
| 21:22.43 | kingsley | Was it easy? |
| 21:22.45 | somiaj | graps: this wasn't firefox, firefox doens't support papi, but for a while adobe wouldn't provide a newer napi plugin, so one had to use freshplayer as a wrapper for the papi plugin (pepperflash) |
| 21:22.45 | kingsley | Hard? |
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| 21:22.51 | kingsley | Worthwhile? |
| 21:22.55 | kingsley | Not? |
| 21:23.20 | graps | somiaj: Yes, I remember that time, freshplayer and all |
| 21:23.25 | somiaj | kingsley: no need to hit enter so often, unsure how many people have removed systemd (i personally like it as an init system) but here are some instructions |
| 21:23.28 | somiaj | !remove systemd |
| 21:23.29 | dpkg | To use an init system other than systemd in jessie, install the systemd-shim package (for logind) and remove the systemd-sysv package: aptitude install systemd-shim sysvinit-core systemd-sysv-. To stick with sysvinit for wheezy->jessie upgrades, follow the pinning advice in the release notes: http://deb.li/30Kby - See also <upstart> and <openrc> |
| 21:23.54 | somiaj | kingsley: note you don't really remove systemd (part of it is still there), but you can use sysv as your init system |
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| 21:25.05 | ghormoon | hi, if I want a vlan that will be just bridged but not have any IP on the host, should i go with iface vlanXXX inet static or some other mode? |
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| 21:25.45 | graps | Henry151: There you go, the history of broken Firefox with Adobe Flash...sometimes you have to go off the deep end to make your browser work like it did in Windows |
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| 21:27.32 | jak2000 | arghh |
| 21:27.55 | jak2000 | thanks fiends.. only need wait to cloudatcost, enable the panel... thanks |
| 21:28.26 | graps | jak2000: Is that a cloud based hosting company discussion ? |
| 21:28.41 | jak2000 | yes |
| 21:28.52 | jak2000 | cloudatcost mounted my systems only read-only |
| 21:28.56 | jak2000 | have you other choise? |
| 21:28.58 | graps | jak2000: Yeah, Amazon is good, but they cost more now |
| 21:29.11 | graps | jak2000: Can you ssh in ? |
| 21:29.14 | jak2000 | yes |
| 21:29.23 | jak2000 | but havent root password |
| 21:29.28 | jak2000 | i am a sudoer user.. |
| 21:29.36 | graps | jak2000: Do you have a private key ? |
| 21:30.06 | jak2000 | no |
| 21:30.25 | graps | jak2000: If you have sudo privilege, umount the partition, then sudo mount the partition |
| 21:30.39 | graps | jak2000: ...as readwrite |
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| 21:31.11 | jak2000 | http://pastebin.com/jNetkj8f |
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| 21:31.42 | jak2000 | wich? /dev/mapper/localhost--vg-swap_1 |
| 21:31.59 | graps | jak2000: You can rewrite the /etc/fstab to mount with rw |
| 21:33.35 | graps | jak2000: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/134238/how-to-get-permission-for-editing-fstab-file-in-debian |
| 21:34.52 | graps | jak2000: Are you familiar with the fstab nomenclature and format ? |
| 21:34.55 | jelly | graps: that's a bit impossible to do with the root filesystem |
| 21:35.10 | jak2000 | yes |
| 21:35.24 | jak2000 | but the system is mounted readonly i cant modify the fstab file (or anything) |
| 21:35.27 | cafuego | jak2000: sudo mount -n -o remount,rw /some/mountpoint |
| 21:35.27 | graps | jelly: Oh, maybe you can suggest better idea for jak2000 |
| 21:35.37 | jelly | and given the io errors from dmesg, remounting rw before a fsck doesn't seem too bright an idea |
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| 21:35.49 | cafuego | jak2000: Of course, thep 1 is to find out WHY it's mounted read-only. Did it fail an fsck during bootup? |
| 21:35.50 | jelly | graps: I did already -- contact the provider |
| 21:35.51 | graps | jelly: Ok |
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| 21:37.15 | jelly | jak2000: cheap VPS providers do NOT care about your data. If your data is not worthless, set up daily backups yourself. |
| 21:37.26 | graps | jak2000: Amazon, or AWS, charge fees for lots of things, but are flexible |
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| 21:38.06 | graps | jak2000: If you're a DIYer, and want better prices than AWS, I use DreamHost and DreamCompute |
| 21:38.14 | jelly | this might be a bug, might be just RO because of overprovisioning, or it might be their cheap storage is really going bad |
| 21:38.41 | jak2000 | ok |
| 21:38.45 | jak2000 | graps seeing.. |
| 21:39.03 | keltim | is there some way to keep dhclient from listening on random high ports without recompiling it? |
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| 21:41.47 | graps | jak2000: DreamHost uses SSDs in their East-2 site, but still offer traditional HDDs in East-1 |
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| 21:44.48 | yyr | Hell all, I have a question, but I'm not sure this would be the right channel to pose my quesiton in. It relates to startup scripts loaded through systemd, and not being able to run two scripts at once through the same mechanism |
| 21:45.11 | graps | yyr: What's your question ? |
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| 21:46.43 | yyr | graps: thanks. Ok, so I have a systemd startup service. It loads a script at boot, which in turns sets up the system at boot. This startup script can not seem to load my two scripts I ran run at boot. In fact rc.local has the same problem |
| 21:46.58 | graps | yyr: What's your question ? |
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| 21:47.10 | jak2000 | in DreamHost, the option is cloud server right? |
| 21:47.25 | graps | jak2000: Yes, DreamCompute is a cloud based service |
| 21:47.44 | yyr | graps: I'm trying to run two scripts at boot. how do I do that? |
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| 21:48.07 | yyr | graps: traditional method do not seem to work. |
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| 21:49.12 | alauda | hi |
| 21:49.35 | alauda | need help for installing dpc-r1 |
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| 21:49.51 | jak2000 | graps amazon is free the first year not? |
| 21:49.55 | yyr | Both scripts work, and if I run one script from rc.local, and one from the startup script they load. But if I try to load both scripts from say rc.local, or my startup script. Only one runs |
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| 21:50.49 | graps | yyr: Using Debian version ? |
| 21:51.06 | yyr | Jessie |
| 21:51.16 | graps | jak2000: Amazon is technically free. You have to pay for storage monthly |
| 21:51.30 | graps | jak2000: So, Amazon is not really free |
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| 21:52.18 | yyr | graps: armhf ABI if that matters. But it shouldn't |
| 21:52.21 | graps | yyr: Here's a link for rc.locl on startup. It's Ubuntu, but systemd runs on Debian too: https://askubuntu.com/questions/9853/how-can-i-make-rc-local-run-on-startup |
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| 21:54.43 | graps | yyr: Does that link make sense for your issue ? |
| 21:55.16 | yyr | graps: thanks, but I've tried all that. And yes, I'm trying ot make this work from a systemd service. But As i stated, everythign works, fine, except running multiple scripts back to back from the same method, be it systemd or rc.local does not work in my case |
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| 21:56.46 | yyr | graps: I can make two script run at boot, if i run one from rc.local and one from a systemd startup script / service |
| 21:57.25 | graps | yyr: Hmmm. You might want to ask someone more familiar with systemd. I'm more an init.d person, but let me check one more place, stackoverflow |
| 21:57.47 | yyr | graps: yeah, me too . .. |
| 21:58.23 | yyr | maybe I'm just missing somethign really simple, just unknown to me |
| 21:58.34 | yyr | google in this case, knows too much |
| 21:58.57 | graps | yyr: Here's something from stackoverflow: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7783341/run-script-with-rc-local-script-works-but-not-at-boot |
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| 21:59.22 | yyr | graps: hehe yeah i probably read that already, but I'll look |
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| 22:00.53 | yyr | graps: ok I do not think I've seen that one yet. I wonder if this could be a stdout, stderr, etc issue |
| 22:01.23 | graps | yyr: What is your overall goal...to load up windows, to start up applications, ... ? |
| 22:01.42 | yyr | basically the scripts I have just run in an inifinite loop( while : ) and monitor one thing each |
| 22:02.55 | graps | yyr: You can try to run them after login, maybe place them in your .bash_profile or .bashrc script, if it's a command-line app or program |
| 22:03.21 | yyr | graps: headless unattended system . . . |
| 22:04.18 | graps | yyr: Is your system in the cloud, or a 24/7 rack system ? |
| 22:04.20 | yyr | I may have to pivot this to C or C++ if i can't get this resolved in a timely fashion |
| 22:05.14 | graps | jelly: Do you have suggestions for yyr ? |
| 22:05.18 | yyr | graps: it's a small arm based system meant to monitor various things from external sensors |
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| 22:05.43 | yyr | and of course log the data |
| 22:05.45 | yyr | I |
| 22:06.01 | yyr | I've got it all worked out, except for this one issue, which is pretty much a show stopper |
| 22:06.23 | graps | yyr: If your arm-based system is always on, I was thinking maybe run a nohup command for those scripts |
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| 22:07.09 | graps | yyr: There's the possibility of runaway processes, though...memory and/or system instability |
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| 22:08.09 | yyr | graps: well it's not a stability issue, my guess is that since both scripts run infinite loops that the second never gets loaded. but i have tried sending each script process to the backgroundusing amphersand |
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| 22:08.46 | yyr | such as /path/to/myscript.sh & |
| 22:09.19 | graps | yyr: That's good for casual operation, but if the system reboots, the processes will have to be reloaded |
| 22:09.26 | jelly | graps: sorry, busy right now |
| 22:09.31 | graps | jelly: okay |
| 22:09.52 | yyr | graps: yes, thats why i have a script that runs through a systemd startup service to load them |
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| 22:10.45 | graps | yyr: In my Ubuntu system, when I wanted to always start up an xterm window or Firefox, I would place the applications in .config |
| 22:11.42 | graps | yyr: Is Debian Wheezy fully running in your arm-based device ? |
| 22:11.45 | yyr | graps: I even tried using seperate systemd services to load each script directly. whcih did not work. But at least that way I did get a cryptic error message from running systemctl status on the service. That also did not help. google session returned unrelated posts |
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| 22:12.14 | yyr | Debian Jessie, and yes |
| 22:12.26 | yyr | it's a minimal rootfs |
| 22:13.29 | yyr | graps: but I'm not convinced this is a debian related issue really. I'm thinking it's more of an issue with my bash scripting ability |
| 22:14.03 | yyr | something I do not know of, and hence don't know what to look for |
| 22:14.04 | graps | yyr: You might want to find the folders that are always invoked at startup. They are usu. for specific things, like for Apache webserver or /var/log things. Let me check the Debian site for startup scripts |
| 22:14.44 | yyr | graps: I'm under the impression this is what systemd is for |
| 22:15.07 | yyr | graps: like you though I much prefer sysv, but in this case I have no choice |
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| 22:15.42 | graps | yyr: How about this link: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/188042/running-a-script-during-booting-startup-init-d-vs-cron-reboot |
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| 22:17.32 | yyr | graps: I'll take a look i'm not convinced using an init.d LSB script would make any difference but i can try |
| 22:17.42 | somiaj | yyr: give systemd an open mind, I find it better than sysv init in lots of cases. In comparision issues arrise because of 1) it isn't sysvinit, so it needs to be configured differently which takes learning something new, 2) it isn't as long tested as an init system, so edge cases outside of its design aren't as well documented/easy to deal with. |
| 22:17.45 | awal1 | How to remove 'itunes application detector' from firefox? :( |
| 22:17.56 | awal1 | plugin ^ |
| 22:18.12 | awal1 | it's there bcoz of gnome |
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| 22:18.26 | yyr | somiaj: systemd in this case is failing, but it could be that I need to switch targets for one of my services |
| 22:19.01 | awal1 | well, I have set it to 'never activate' but I really want to remove it and no see it in my firefox-esr |
| 22:19.05 | somiaj | yyr: look at the output of systemctl and journalctl, it gives you a lot of info on if/why services are failing. |
| 22:19.30 | somiaj | yyr: note I missed the actual issue you have, so only have generic advise. |
| 22:19.50 | yyr | somiaj: wasn't helpful. some cryptic error which yelded many, many non related google hits |
| 22:20.11 | graps | somiaj: yyr wants to run two diff scripts at startup on an arm-based device. Running Debian Jessie |
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| 22:20.15 | yyr | yielded* |
| 22:20.36 | ctc | Hello. Can I try asking doubt about setfacl? |
| 22:20.53 | yyr | the end result is this. If I try to run both scripts at boot using the same method it doesnt work |
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| 22:21.20 | yyr | but if i run one script one wasy( systemd ) and the other with a different method( rc.local ) they both run fine |
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| 22:21.34 | mad_hatter | Is there a way to install all of the CD iso's required for an offline debian install onto a single usb drive? |
| 22:22.03 | somiaj | yyr: you wrote a .service file for each script? |
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| 22:22.19 | yyr | This tells me on script is interfering with the other starting up, for some reason, but i have not been able to figure out why |
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| 22:23.09 | yyr | somiaj: I have a startup service that calls a startup script, which in turn sets up the system, then runs at this moment two other scripts |
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| 22:23.34 | somiaj | mad_hatter: dvd1 should be more than enough for most cases. If you have the .iso's of the other dvd's mounted on another partition, you can mount the .iso as a loopback device and use apt-cdrom to scan/install stuff from them as well. |
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| 22:23.52 | somiaj | mad_hatter: but this requires a little manual work for each additionial iso you want access to. |
| 22:24.20 | mad_hatter | so just copying dvd1 .iso to the usb drive should be enough? |
| 22:24.22 | ctc | I tried ACLs for setting extended permissions -recursively- on a directory for a user1. I expected this to work: setfacl -Rdm u:user1:rw /path/to/directory. Then I checked with ls -la, saw the + sign, so went testing. No, still was not working. |
| 22:24.39 | ctc | Recurred again to getfacl and realized there were no actual permissions for user1, only the defaults were set for directories. |
| 22:24.47 | somiaj | mad_hatter: as per the install guide, yes -- most common packages are on dvd1, if you need packages on the other dvd's you can deal with that after the install. |
| 22:24.51 | ctc | I had to try again without the -d option to make it work. |
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| 22:25.17 | graps | yyr: How about running a bash script after the system loads up (or reloads/reboots), is invoked on the script after .bashrc ? |
| 22:25.18 | mad_hatter | somiaj: the reason i have to do an offline install is that i dont have the realteak-nonfree firmware available to me |
| 22:25.24 | yyr | somiaj: I also tried running services for each script, but one was failing, with the cryptic error nessage from systemctl status <service> I mentioned earlier |
| 22:25.43 | ctc | Thing is, with setfacl -Rdm I expected to do everything at once: change all existent stuff recursively AND setting the default ACLs for newly created stuff. |
| 22:25.45 | somiaj | mad_hatter: oh is that the only reason |
| 22:25.48 | somiaj | !firmware installer |
| 22:25.49 | dpkg | Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch06s04 . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. |
| 22:25.55 | somiaj | mad_hatter: ^^ just use the non-free firmware installer |
| 22:26.03 | ctc | Was I wrong then? |
| 22:26.03 | yyr | graps: that wont work, the system is never meant to be logged into. In a traditional manner |
| 22:26.14 | yyr | except for maintanence |
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| 22:26.25 | Henry151 | hello again #debian :D |
| 22:26.26 | graps | yyr: cron job ? |
| 22:26.33 | Henry151 | I am encountering a new issue |
| 22:26.39 | graps | Henry151: Hi there, again |
| 22:26.59 | Henry151 | with one of the three toughbooks I'm trying to keep running for my nephews schoolwork, I'm having a problem with udev Kernel Device Manager |
| 22:27.11 | Henry151 | https://bpaste.net/show/6e0828f53e9b |
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| 22:27.35 | mad_hatter | somiaj: for some reason the realtek firmware isn't included in the firmware version of the iso |
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| 22:27.48 | yyr | i havent tried a cron job yet. was hoping to avoid cron in favor of systemd timers if it comes to that |
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| 22:27.51 | graps | Henry151: You're in the same boat as yyr, regarding systemd ;) |
| 22:28.15 | somiaj | mad_hatter: Is it the case you need a newer kernel and firmware from jessie-backports? |
| 22:28.20 | somiaj | ,v firmware-realtek |
| 22:28.21 | judd | Package: firmware-realtek on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; stretch/non-free: 20160824-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 20161130-2~bpo8+1; sid/non-free: 20161130-2; stretch/non-free: 20161130-2 |
| 22:28.26 | Henry151 | I first encountered this earlier today, so reinstalled the OS completely, and when I did apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade I got the stuff seen in the bpaste |
| 22:28.34 | Henry151 | yyr: you're encountering the same trouble? |
| 22:28.36 | yyr | systemd is actually very well thought out. Just my understanding of it is probably not the best |
| 22:29.02 | graps | yyr: Maybe do some research on systemd, and rc.local, but try narrowing down on the boot up part |
| 22:29.06 | yyr | Henry151: I'm not sure, i havent been following your messages. |
| 22:29.15 | somiaj | mad_hatter: in this case you can still use the netinstall to install the base system. Manually download the linux-image, linux-base and firmare-realtek from packages.debian.org, copy it over. |
| 22:29.38 | somiaj | mad_hatter: in that case dvd1 will be more than sufficent to do the install from, but you'll still have to do some extra work. |
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| 22:30.03 | yyr | there is not much to research on rc.local. You run commands . . . in sequence. with a few . . .potential complications |
| 22:30.05 | graps | yyr: Maybe systemd is affecting Henry151's toughbooks, but not regarding booting up scripts. I just saw Hnery151's bpaste |
| 22:30.07 | somiaj | mad_hatter: so now it is just preference, do you want to download the full dvd, so you have a gui when you get the kernel from backports, or do you want a minimial basesystem from the netinstall. |
| 22:30.24 | mad_hatter | how do i get the netinstaller to see the firmware-realtek when it tries to configure my network |
| 22:30.29 | mad_hatter | because a netinstall would be preferable |
| 22:30.34 | yyr | I'm nearly convinced my problem related to running both these scripts in an infinite loop. somehow |
| 22:30.57 | graps | yyr: Maybe you should paste into a pastebin your output |
| 22:31.35 | Henry151 | when I first encounered my issue, the bootup was hanging with a message that said something about kernel device manager |
| 22:31.36 | somiaj | mad_hatter: it won't, it sounds like your card needs a newer kernel and firmware, so this will require some manual work to get wifi working with jessie. |
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| 22:32.03 | somiaj | mad_hatter: but a netinstall has a base image on it (doesn't require a network) and once you have the base image you can manually install from there. |
| 22:32.07 | graps | Henry151: Right. And, did the system load up, or did it stop at the udevd.service error ? |
| 22:32.08 | yyr | graps: is there a way to tell why the scripts are failing to load at boot ? dmesg doesnt seem capable |
| 22:32.18 | Henry151 | graps: it stopped at the error |
| 22:32.30 | graps | yyr: Try pasting a reboot session, and we can analyze the output |
| 22:32.57 | Henry151 | so I re-installed the OS completely, because there was no data to worry about, since I just set the machines up this week |
| 22:33.33 | yyr | Sorry to sound pompous, but it won't do either of us any good. I'm pretty good at troubleshooting from boot logs |
| 22:33.41 | yyr | there is no related output to these scripts |
| 22:33.49 | graps | Henry151: What distro location did you get the Debian release ? |
| 22:33.54 | yyr | hence my problem |
| 22:34.07 | graps | yyr: Ah, that's going to make for a tougher analysis |
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| 22:34.54 | yyr | I might be able to write somethign in the top of the script that outputs something but . . . |
| 22:35.04 | graps | yyr: It's worth a shot |
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| 22:35.24 | yyr | I'm not sure how to do that, or where to put that output |
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| 22:35.41 | yyr | I know output somethign to a file |
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| 22:35.52 | graps | yyr: Try searching for a script, maybe a debug script |
| 22:36.09 | yyr | IS there a way for a startup script to send debug info to the sys, or boot log ? that I don't know |
| 22:36.15 | yyr | rgr |
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| 22:36.37 | yyr | I will be back in a bit |
| 22:36.43 | graps | yyr: okay |
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| 22:42.18 | ctc | With "setfacl -Rdm" I expected to do everything at once: change all existent stuff files and folders recursively, AND setting the default ACLs for newly created stuff. But it's not working... |
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| 22:45.15 | graps | ctc: Maybe you need to place a modification in the /etc or specific file. Try this link: http://linoxide.com/how-tos/linux-set-access-control-list-using-setfacl-and-getfacl-commands/ |
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| 22:49.15 | bibble | debian 8 + xfce; when using hdmi to tv and using vlc, after 10 minutes or so the screen goes blank. moving the mouse unblanks. how to stop ? disabled screensaver and run 'setx s off' && 'setx s noblank' |
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| 22:50.13 | fryguy | bibble: you'll want to turn off dpms, as well as screen blanking |
| 22:50.37 | hicks__ | Settings/Power Manager |
| 22:50.51 | hicks__ | display tab, set all to never and untick handle display power management. |
| 22:50.56 | hicks__ | beyond that, I'm not sure. |
| 22:51.18 | Kafei | That should indeed be all you need to do |
| 22:51.30 | bibble | ohh, interesting. thanks fryguy. plugged in, seems to be the default settings hicks__ :) |
| 22:51.50 | bibble | Ok, great Kafei :) |
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| 23:01.09 | nintendo3DS | the wpa network I'm trying to connect to from the command line uses a username/password and not a key, but the guides I find for doing so all assume the network uses a key and no username |
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| 23:03.16 | teraflops | wpa enterprise uses user/password |
| 23:03.24 | teraflops | nintendo3DS: EDUroam or something similar? |
| 23:03.49 | nintendo3DS | not sure, it's a college wifi |
| 23:04.03 | bibble | nintendo3DS: may need to use a file |
| 23:04.18 | dondelelcaro | nintendo3DS: you can still configure that using wpa_supplicant or networkmanager if you want |
| 23:04.54 | dondelelcaro | nintendo3DS: man wpa_supplicant.conf; example #2 is most likely what it is. |
| 23:05.08 | dondelelcaro | nintendo3DS: you don't need to speicfy the phase1/phase2 or the ca_cert in that example |
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| 23:05.33 | nintendo3DS | thanks |
| 23:06.28 | dondelelcaro | nintendo3DS: if you're using networkmanager, it's easiest to use one of the GUIs, but if you really want, you can edit the configuration files manually and enable them |
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| 23:14.25 | missmbob | nintendo3DS: if you're using networkmanager but aren't in X, nmtui is really great. definitely better than messing with config files |
| 23:15.22 | hassoon | missmbob: nm-applet too |
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| 23:36.54 | mad_hatter | somiaj: so if i can't get my card working withthe base image on the net install how can i download the newer backporter kernel for jessie and the firmware? |
| 23:37.08 | somiaj | mad_hatter: amd64? |
| 23:37.13 | mad_hatter | yes |
| 23:37.27 | somiaj | mad_hatter: https://packages.debian.org/jessie-backports/linux-image-4.8.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 |
| 23:37.50 | somiaj | mad_hatter: https://packages.debian.org/jessie-backports/firmware-realtek |
| 23:38.00 | somiaj | mad_hatter: those three packages should be all you need, copy them over, then dpkg -i them |
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| 23:38.09 | somiaj | mad_hatter: check the firwmare page, see if your chipset is listed. |
| 23:38.29 | mad_hatter | right, so when i get base image installed from the netinstal...i wont have internet...how will i be able to retrieve those pkgs |
| 23:40.01 | somiaj | mad_hatter: another computer, copy them over via a usb drive |
| 23:40.10 | mad_hatter | no computer and only one usb drive |
| 23:40.13 | mad_hatter | that's the crux of my problem |
| 23:40.30 | somiaj | mad_hatter: it won't matter if you use the netintsall or even dvd1, you'll have to do that to get the newer kernel/firmware |
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| 23:40.45 | mad_hatter | yeah that's my predicament hahah |
| 23:40.57 | somiaj | mad_hatter: you don't have a wired nic? A usb dongle? You can partition the remaining space after putting the installer on the usb drive and put it there. |
| 23:41.00 | Brigo | what about the testing installer? |
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| 23:41.09 | mad_hatter | is there a way i can load the netinstall, the newer kernel, and the firmware all onto a single usb drive? |
| 23:41.11 | somiaj | Brigo: I don't think they have firmware images for that yet? |
| 23:41.19 | mad_hatter | somiaj: i have a wired nic, just no wire |
| 23:41.22 | Brigo | let's check |
| 23:41.56 | somiaj | mad_hatter: after you cp net.iso /dev/sdX, you should be able to create another partition on the remaining space left on the drive -- though I hvaen't tested this in a while, and only recall doing it with live images |
| 23:41.58 | Brigo | it looks like they don't :/ |
| 23:42.11 | somiaj | Brigo: was afraid of that. |
| 23:42.30 | Brigo | i thought it was a problem of kernel version, not drivers. |
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| 23:42.47 | bazhang | he could a usb stick with persistent |
| 23:43.10 | Brigo | bazhang, in a live |
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| 23:43.26 | bazhang | Brigo, I meant the other guy |
| 23:43.36 | somiaj | mad_hatter: are you using this computer now, do you plan to format the whole drive? You could make a small partion on your drive and store the .deb's there. |
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| 23:43.51 | somiaj | mad_hatter: but it would be nice to have a backup plan if this dosen't work. |
| 23:44.00 | mad_hatter | yes, i will be using this computer and yes, plan on using the whole drive |
| 23:44.45 | Brigo | isn't there any options in advanced about choosing a kernel? |
| 23:44.50 | somiaj | mad_hatter: well we have given you a few solutions, you'll have to decide which is best for your situation. |
| 23:45.19 | mad_hatter | alrighty, well i guess i can try to create a new partition after cp'ing the iso over with the firmware .deb |
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| 23:45.22 | somiaj | Brigo: maybe with a netboot, but that requires a second machine you can boot from on the network I think -- and even then you may have to boot on the kernel given... |
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| 23:49.28 | Brigo | somiaj, i was thinking about choosing kernel flavours. |
| 23:50.01 | somiaj | oh like the i386-amd64 image? |
| 23:50.55 | nintendo3DS | I'm trying to set it to use an unsecured wifi from the command line, it looks like I have everything set right but it still says the network is unreachable if I try to ping anything |
| 23:51.17 | zykotick9 | somiaj: with the new hybrid debian images i wasn't personally able to add another partition to the drive... ymmv? |
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| 23:51.55 | somiaj | zykotick9: yea I was thinking this can only be done with the live images...which of course aren't efi if mad_hatter wanted to use efi. |
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| 23:52.24 | somiaj | nintendo3DS: give more details in what you have done. |
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| 23:54.38 | missmbob | nintendo3DS: you were using ntmui, right? |
| 23:54.54 | missmbob | nmtui* |
| 23:56.04 | nintendo3DS | I put an entry in wpa_supplicant.conf of network{ssid="ssid name"\nkey_mgmt=NONE\nscan_ssid=1\n}, did ifup wlan0, somiaj |
| 23:56.09 | nintendo3DS | that doesn't seem to be installed, missmbob |
| 23:56.40 | somiaj | nintendo3DS: care to share your interfaces file? Is it setup to use wpasupplicant? |
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| 23:57.13 | nintendo3DS | http://i.imgur.com/2yRNrQK.png |
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| 23:58.24 | somiaj | the allow-hotplug wlan0 and wlan1 most likely doesn't do anything. |
| 23:58.31 | somiaj | you could also try not to use wpa-supplicant. |
| 23:58.47 | nintendo3DS | then where would the ssid be specified? |
| 23:59.07 | somiaj | nintendo3DS: try just using wireless-essid my_essid_without_quote |
| 23:59.31 | somiaj | you won't need any encryption or wpa_supplicant and this should just use iwconfig or iw, and not need additoinal features of wpa_supplicant |
| 23:59.36 | nintendo3DS | that isn't installed |
| 23:59.40 | somiaj | though I'm surprised you can't get wpa_supplicant to connect |
| 23:59.44 | somiaj | wireless-tools isn't installed? |
