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| 00:09.05 | fred1807 | how do I merge multiple dirs into a mountpoint? |
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| 00:11.04 | Wixy | Hello all! How do I check the if the network buffers are full or what? I'm copying a file over the lan network at 1MB/s :| |
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| 00:16.22 | nezZario | Wixy: iptraf and sysstat are both good tools to check network activity |
| 00:16.39 | nezZario | iptraf, particularly, as it has a nice menu based cli user interface |
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| 00:17.57 | nezZario | So, guys. I'm at my wit's end with apt/dpkg here. I am using _Several_ apt repos. Right now I'm pulling from both stable, testing, packages.sury.org, as well as dotdeb's packages........ all of them provide some form(s) of both php and nginx packages. I am trying to install nginx from dotdeb, php from sury.org, .. and the rest from testing/stable (that |
| 00:17.57 | nezZario | part I can get). |
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| 00:18.20 | abrotman | nezZario: it sounds like you've created a frankendebian |
| 00:18.43 | hmuller | lol |
| 00:18.50 | nezZario | I'm just beyond frustrated with the tools available and the lack of well, anything resembling common sense here. I find documentation for specifying -t with apt-get and it says use apt pinning, I find documentation for apt pinning and it says don't do that, use aptitude's holding packages ... |
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| 00:19.18 | nezZario | Dependencies aren't even the problem! :) It's simply browsing the packages and being able to select the right one to install. That's it.. |
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| 00:19.36 | tomcres | !frankendebian |
| 00:19.36 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
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| 00:20.43 | nezZario | I'm not asking how to use the packages themselves |
| 00:20.50 | nezZario | I am only asking how the heck am I suppose to even use apt |
| 00:21.46 | mutante | nezZario: don't mix different distributions is the short answer to "how to use it" |
| 00:21.52 | bazhang | nezZario, what part of apt did you have trouble with |
| 00:22.05 | tomcres | No idea. You're mixing repositories in a way that apt was never designed to support |
| 00:22.40 | TomTomTo1 | apt uses pinning and the package version to determine which version of a package to install. look at the output of apt-cache policy to see the priority at which the repos you included are pinned. if you want more instructions you have to be more specific. |
| 00:22.40 | apt | TomTomTo1: that's too long |
| 00:23.08 | TomTomTo1 | nobody uses you, apt! |
| 00:23.25 | mutante | apt: help |
| 00:23.27 | nezZario | TomTomTo1: So unless I'm installing from a different "Release" there is no way to specify which repository to pull the package from except for pinning/preferences ? |
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| 00:24.33 | TomTomTo1 | nezZario: that's what pinning is for. the -t option during install temporarily sets the priority of a given repository to 990. |
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| 00:24.36 | nezZario | apt-cache policy solves half the question |
| 00:24.44 | nezZario | dear lord thank you |
| 00:24.59 | bazhang | what repos is he mixing |
| 00:25.31 | TomTomTo1 | not our business. |
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| 00:26.43 | nezZario | So is there a way to specify the release/repository for apt-cache search ? |
| 00:27.12 | nezZario | Or something similar... Or is the only way to browse a particular repository (3rd party or not) is to dig through /var/lib/apt/lists/ ? |
| 00:27.17 | bazhang | ah then it's various debian stable/testing |
| 00:27.58 | TomTomTo1 | nezZario: not sure. but you can put what you find into apt-cache policy <pkg> and see which repository has what version of that package. |
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| 00:28.29 | TomTomTo1 | nezZario: to search one specific repository i usually use the aptitude search syntax, but that takes some learning. |
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| 00:30.29 | nezZario | I'll look through aptitude's docs.. tbh I rarely use aptitude, .. apt-* thus far has provided everything I needed to do |
| 00:30.39 | hmuller | I never used aptitude, then one day I discovered how useful it is to resolve dependency issues |
| 00:30.51 | nezZario | One other thing I'm severely confused about |
| 00:31.08 | TomTomTo1 | aptitude search '?archive(testing)' for example lists packages available from the testing archive. |
| 00:32.13 | nezZario | Right -- that's actually exactly what I was about to ask. Where are these names being derived from? example: testing, .. etc .. I mean I understand that that's the name of the deb release. But I'm asking in a strictly apt/pkg context. |
| 00:32.52 | nezZario | If that doesn't make sense give me a moment and I'll be more specific running apt update and taking a while |
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| 00:35.16 | TomTomTo1 | most of the terms you can search for are taken from the Release file present in every repository. http://ftp.be.debian.org/debian/dists/stretch/Release the archive name matches the directory i believe, so both testing and stretch would work. |
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| 00:35.38 | mutante | nezZario: there is always "stable", "testing" and "unstable", from "most stable" to "least stable". see here https://www.debian.org/releases/ and then there are the names like "jessie", "stretch" etc, they will move from unstable towards testing and then finally towards stable |
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| 00:36.27 | mutante | well,eh, unstable is always "sid" |
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| 00:36.52 | mutante | because that's the boy playing with the toys in toy story |
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| 00:43.06 | sim590 | anyone using chromium and have lost its apps and extension. Additionnaly, is also unable to install either of those anymore? |
| 00:43.26 | sim590 | last time I updated: 2017-02-05 02:05:10 status installed chromium:amd64 55.0.2883.75- |
| 00:43.37 | sim590 | 6 |
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| 00:44.58 | tomcres | ,v chromium |
| 00:44.59 | judd | Package: chromium on amd64 -- wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie: 55.0.2883.75-1~deb8u1; stretch: 55.0.2883.75-6; jessie-security: 56.0.2924.76-1~deb8u1; sid: 56.0.2924.76-3 |
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| 00:45.45 | sim590 | I have found this https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=852398 and this https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=851692 |
| 00:45.46 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/852398 in chromium (open): «chromium: option --enable-remote-extensions does work: extensions cannot be enabled nor be installed»; severity: minor; opened: 2017-01-24; last modified: 2017-02-03. |
| 00:46.26 | tomcres | I notice there's an upgrade in security (version 56). Perhaps it might be fixed in that version? |
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| 00:48.30 | sim590 | I'm trying experimental. |
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| 00:52.49 | TomTomTo1 | i don't see chromium in experimental. |
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| 00:55.02 | abrotman | judd: info chromium |
| 00:55.03 | judd | Package chromium (web, optional) in jessie/amd64: web browser. Version: 55.0.2883.75-1~deb8u1; Size: 41623.1k; Installed: 162119k; Homepage: http://www.chromium.org/Home; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/chromium |
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| 00:55.07 | abrotman | no ... |
| 00:55.11 | abrotman | judd: versions chromium |
| 00:55.12 | judd | Package: chromium on amd64 -- wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie: 55.0.2883.75-1~deb8u1; stretch: 55.0.2883.75-6; jessie-security: 56.0.2924.76-1~deb8u1; sid: 56.0.2924.76-3 |
| 00:56.27 | sim590 | TomTomTo1: http://paste.debian.net/913108/ |
| 00:57.28 | missmbob | at least very least go to #debian-next if you using experimental :P |
| 00:57.32 | TomTomTo1 | the bug report does suggest a workaround. you might want to try that. |
| 00:58.22 | sim590 | missmbob: it was just for a test. I'm using stretch |
| 00:58.26 | TomTomTo1 | sim590: i think you just need to update. your cache is outdated. |
| 00:58.40 | missmbob | sim590: yeah. #debian-next is for testing/unstable |
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| 00:59.45 | lishoujun | judd: versions apt |
| 00:59.46 | judd | Package: apt on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 0.9.7.9+deb7u6; wheezy: 0.9.7.9+deb7u7; jessie-security: 1.0.9.8.4; jessie: 1.0.9.8.4; stretch: 1.4~beta4; sid: 1.4~rc1 |
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| 01:00.57 | nezZario | mutante: ok, but what do we do when we mix third party repos int he mix? |
| 01:00.58 | nezZario | for example.. |
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| 01:01.22 | sim590 | TomTomTo1: I have just updated and upgraded and my extensions are still missing. |
| 01:01.31 | sim590 | I'll go in #debian-next, then. |
| 01:02.30 | nezZario | http://paste.debian.net/913109/ <-- this is what I see when I use apt-cache policy .. the sury.org version is made for jessie .. so how do I even specify it with -t for example? or preference/pinning ? |
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| 01:03.24 | sim590 | it seems I have to use --enable-remote-extensions. What's a remote extension ? I downloaded all my extensions from the store. |
| 01:03.45 | nezZario | --enable-remote-extensions doesn't work on any sort of remotely recent version of chrome iirc |
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| 01:03.56 | nezZario | it means non-webstore chrome extensions |
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| 01:04.27 | nezZario | not sure what you're doing and this has nothing to do with debian specifically but i've developer chrome extensions before and you may only get them from the webstore, now, or manually install them through the developer mode, there is _no_ other way |
| 01:04.48 | mutante | nezZario: how is "apt-get install php7.0=7.0.15-1+0~20170120094752.20+jessie~1.gbpe03972" |
| 01:04.49 | sim590 | I have "Chromium 56.0.2924.76 built on Debian 9.0, running on Debian 9.0" and --enable-remote-extensions gives me back my extensions. |
| 01:05.22 | sim590 | nezZario: I have installed my extensions from the webstore. That's what I always have done. |
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| 01:08.42 | sim590 | just to clarify. Subsequent calls to chromium doesn't require the option... That's weird. No extensions were available, then I solved it with the flag, then I pkill chromium and launched chromium (without the flag) and my extensions are back. |
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| 01:11.37 | sim590 | no no. Sorry, that's wrong. Only a subset of extension was there. Anyway. it's all bugged. |
| 01:11.54 | KaffeeJunky123 | I'd like to downgrade my kernel on debian stretch for testing purposes, but I can't find the kernel-headers for the 4.8 kernel. Is there any place where I can download them? |
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| 01:12.20 | missmbob | !snapshot |
| 01:12.20 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces snapshot.debian.net. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
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| 01:20.25 | hmuller | silly question, is /etc/networks necessary for ipv6 only networking? my guess is Nope |
| 01:20.45 | Dagger | hmuller: you need some way to bring the interface up on boot |
| 01:20.53 | nezZario | mutante: but that will fix it to that version, no? how can I say "php7.0 from *THIS* repo and subsequent updates" |
| 01:20.58 | Dagger | the kernel can handle SLAAC itself, but you need the interface to come up first |
| 01:21.06 | nezZario | Even with apt pinning ? |
| 01:22.00 | Dagger | hmuller: ...and I'm thinking of /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 01:22.55 | Dagger | I've never touched /etc/networks, and the manpage says "This file is read by the route(8) and netstat(8) utilities. Only Class A, B or C networks are supported, partitioned networks (i.e., network/26 or network/28) are not supported by this facility.", so yes I think you can go ahead and ignore that |
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| 01:24.06 | hmuller | Dagger: yes, i read up on /etc/networks both manpage and interwebs, it looks like it isn't required for ipv6 |
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| 01:25.42 | hmuller | and according to the interwebs Class A, B, and C networks are obsolete. but I am not a network engineer so cannot evaluate the truth of that. |
| 01:26.47 | mutante | nezZario: it will only matter for this install, it's not going to fix it to that for the future |
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| 02:12.13 | taora | hello everyone, can I use Metadata Anonymisation Tool (MAT) from the command line for batch clearing of metadata? |
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| 02:20.01 | mutante | taora: looks like currently they are trying to find a new maintainer :/ https://mailman.boum.org/pipermail/mat-dev/2017-January/000136.html |
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| 02:20.50 | taora | mutante, looks more like someone is offering to maintain |
| 02:21.19 | mutante | yes, because it's on hold and won't get into the next release |
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| 02:23.55 | mutante | taora: back to your original question, so i just installed it to see and there is "usr/bin/mat" separate from usr/bin/mat-gui, and the answer is yes. usage: mat [-h] [-a] [-b] ... |
| 02:24.44 | taora | mutante, oh that's great! |
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| 02:27.00 | taora | mutante, indeed, there is a man page for mat |
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| 02:29.26 | taora | mutante, thank you very much! I will go about it now |
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| 02:33.44 | mutante | taora: you are welcome |
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| 02:34.43 | fleeky__ | hi there , i am trying to setup a test email server inside of a virtual network , since i dont have a publicly accessible hostname i am wondering if i should just put the ip address in the hosts and hostname file for testing purposes? |
| 02:35.02 | fleeky__ | or does it make more sense to try to setup bind9 to handle dns ? |
| 02:35.44 | somiaj | I think you need mx records for mail and unsure if a /etc/hosts will satsify that |
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| 02:36.09 | somiaj | you could try the /etc/hosts file, but unsure on the details needed due to mx records, but in the end it just might be point at the right ip |
| 02:36.21 | fleeky__ | ahk thanks |
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| 02:48.21 | AlexLikeRock | somiaj, o/ |
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| 03:09.08 | markasoftware | if i want to upgrade to testing/stretch, should my sources.list line say something like `http://http.debian.org/debian main contrib` or `http://http.debian.org/debian testing main contrib'? |
| 03:09.15 | markasoftware | do i need the testing? |
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| 03:09.58 | somiaj | you need the testing, and I would use 'stretch' over 'testing' |
| 03:10.00 | dvs | markasoftware, yes, but it would be better if it said "stretch" |
| 03:10.11 | markasoftware | oh yeah it does say stretch |
| 03:10.20 | markasoftware | so, better to say stretch instead of testing? |
| 03:10.25 | markasoftware | i don't need testing if i say stretch? |
| 03:10.30 | dvs | no |
| 03:10.40 | markasoftware | ok thanks |
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| 03:12.34 | dvs | no prob |
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| 03:30.51 | m712 | one small nitpick about apt: when it shows what will happen when you ran apt install, can yall make it so it says "storage space" instead of "disk space"? thanks |
| 03:31.22 | m712 | like it says: After this operation, 24.1 MB of additional disk space will be used. |
| 03:31.50 | m712 | but instead of disk space i think it'd sound better if it was storage space |
| 03:31.51 | somiaj | what would you like it to also give, the size of the .deb it downloads? |
| 03:32.04 | somiaj | oh you just don't like the wording, less the data. |
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| 03:32.51 | somiaj | file a wishlist bug with a patch, unsure if it will be accepted, but that is one way to go about letting the developers/matainers of apt know this, mentioning it on irc might not do much |
| 03:33.04 | doubledutch | m712: Whether it's a disc, disk or usb, or tape drive... it's one of your system disks |
| 03:33.18 | m712 | somiaj: thanks |
| 03:33.29 | doubledutch | Maybe bring it up in #debian-offtopic for more clarification? |
| 03:33.47 | m712 | doubledutch: i'll just open a wishlist report |
| 03:33.53 | m712 | it's not huge or anything |
| 03:34.05 | m712 | as i've said, just a small nitpick |
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| 03:34.50 | somiaj | irc just isn't the best place to get the matainers/developers to at least look at your request. The worst that can happen is they say no. |
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| 03:35.18 | doubledutch | somiaj: My concern was that it was !offtopic in a support channel |
| 03:35.24 | doubledutch | !offtopic |
| 03:35.24 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 03:36.07 | somiaj | doubledutch: I'm okay with vaglue about debian, such as pointing someone to a better form to air their request. |
| 03:36.28 | somiaj | but yes, we should try to stick to debian support. |
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| 04:16.34 | le_pig | "BigCorp" keeps an internal apt repo component, which advertises internally-built packages. I'd like to make it easy for BigCorp users to search for those packages with apt-cache. Without adding "BigCorp" to the name or description fields of these .debs, how else can I accomplish this? |
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| 04:17.56 | themill | le_pig: aptitude can do that sort of filtering; apt-cache can't really |
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| 04:18.41 | le_pig | themill: Ah, that's the secret. Then I could presumably hijack one of the fields in the .deb and search against that value? |
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| 04:19.42 | themill | aptitude can even filter a search based on the Origin header from the repo's Release file |
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| 04:20.35 | themill | aptitude search '?origin(BigCorp super s3kr3t repo)' |
| 04:20.54 | le_pig | themill: Sounds like a little education is in order for myself and then the users. Thank you very much for your help! |
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| 05:45.16 | HeXiLeD | idesk eats now 71% of ram after a while. Any ideas what can be causing this ? |
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| 06:27.39 | RayzrShrp | is it safe to totally remove rsyslog from debian and just use the journal? |
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| 06:50.06 | contrapunctus | o/ |
| 06:52.01 | contrapunctus | Do I need to set a boot flag on any partition during install? (Asking the Duck doesn't give any definitive answers, and dpkg is mum on it altogether.) |
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| 06:58.36 | brizz | why do i have the same console windows i opened from a super long time ago, starting whenever the comp does? |
| 06:58.40 | brizz | (on shutdown -r now) |
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| 07:06.13 | nkuttler | brizz: your desktop environment preserves them |
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| 07:09.44 | contrapunctus | folks? anyone? |
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| 07:12.11 | jpw | contrapunctus: its good practice to put it on the /boot or / depending on your partitioning scheme |
| 07:12.28 | jpw | although technically speaking i don't think it's actually required at all |
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| 07:12.43 | contrapunctus | I see, thanks jpw |
| 07:12.55 | contrapunctus | I'll put it on the root partition. |
| 07:14.10 | contrapunctus | jpw: can I make that into a dpkg factoid |
| 07:14.16 | contrapunctus | * ? |
| 07:15.03 | jpw | RayzrShrp: I would keep syslog, its far more configurable and still required for sone types of app. |
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| 07:20.24 | piklu | something weird is happening within my server |
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| 07:20.30 | piklu | I can not reach DNS - even when I can ping it. |
| 07:20.44 | piklu | even using DIG or NSLOOKUP with a specific DNS is timing out |
| 07:20.49 | piklu | can someone help me |
| 07:20.55 | piklu | .. |
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| 07:22.07 | styler2go | Good morning. I have a little problem: When i tell a programm to save my password it doesn't save it. I am kind of missing this "type in root password for this action" screen. Any idea which package i need for this? |
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| 07:23.23 | jpw | piklu: is your dns server on the same subnet as your host? |
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| 07:23.49 | piklu | No, is it neccessary ? |
| 07:23.55 | jpw | styler2go: are you using gnome? |
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| 07:24.11 | piklu | jpw : No and is it neccessary ?? |
| 07:24.11 | jpw | piklu: no but do you have a default route set? tyoe `ip r` |
| 07:24.18 | styler2go | jpw: Uhm... no, cinnamon |
| 07:24.29 | piklu | jpw : I can ping the DNS server. |
| 07:25.11 | jpw | styler2go: i don't know cinammon at all sorry, |
| 07:25.38 | jpw | piklu: is your DNS server configured to hosts on this other subnet? |
| 07:25.41 | styler2go | Well i just need to know how this keyring/enter password thing is called to google a bit |
| 07:26.08 | piklu | jpw : I can not understand where is subnet coming into picture |
| 07:26.45 | piklu | jpw : I have exact same resolv.conf and route on 2 VM and one of them is working and other is not. |
| 07:27.00 | jpw | piklu: you just said the DNS server was on a different subnet to its totally relevant |
| 07:27.17 | piklu | DNS server is on a public IP. |
| 07:27.28 | piklu | these VM have public IP too. |
| 07:27.29 | jpw | piklu: oh right |
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| 07:29.48 | jpw | piklu: whats the output of `dig @dnsip example.org` |
| 07:30.07 | piklu | jpw : exactly that ? |
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| 07:30.26 | jpw | no for example `dig @8.8.8.8 example.org` |
| 07:30.45 | piklu | jpw : timeout |
| 07:30.52 | jpw | can you paste it for me? |
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| 07:31.59 | piklu | http://pastebin.com/SUCCuNUU |
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| 07:32.45 | jpw | that looks like a firewall is blocking it |
| 07:32.58 | jpw | does ping 8.8.8.8 work? |
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| 07:35.31 | piklu | jpw : got it ? |
| 07:35.32 | sunkan | I have seen firewalls stop queries with dig. I think one workaround was "dig +noad" or "dig +nocd". And this was a Check Point FW. |
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| 07:37.54 | piklu | jpw : yes it works |
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| 07:38.14 | piklu | sunkan : all DNS queries are being blocked |
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| 07:39.25 | sunkan | piklu: I see, just wanted to mention it since it really confused me once.. |
| 07:40.24 | piklu | ok |
| 07:40.51 | jpw | piklu: i have to be off now perhaps go and check your firewall config as your next step. bye. |
| 07:40.56 | piklu | ok |
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| 07:41.02 | piklu | jpw : thanks |
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| 07:55.55 | vvande_ | Debian 7 and I'm not seeing any IPv6 |
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| 07:57.07 | vvande_ | ifconfig has no ipv6 address and the box can't reach any ipv6 sites |
| 07:57.13 | vvande_ | how do I turn it on? |
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| 07:58.23 | arturo | vvande_: does your ISP provide IPv6 upstream conectivity or the like? |
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| 08:01.09 | vvande_ | arturo: no they don't but I have my router set up for 6to4 anycast and I have IPv6 connectivity on all other machines here |
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| 08:03.10 | haavard | How does Debian build Python packages so the modules are put in [..]/dist-packages instead of site-packages? I'm trying to install a module in a Docker container, but it's being put into site-packages and doesn't import without workarounds. |
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| 08:38.57 | eipi10 | can't get scroll wheel to work. |
| 08:39.46 | eipi10 | net install....don't know if I missed anything....can't work it out in jwmrc. |
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| 09:18.20 | da3m0n22 | E: Failed to fetch https://debian.anexia.at/debian/dists/jessie-backports/main/Contents-i386.gz Writing more data than expected (5054826 > 5053927) |
| 09:18.31 | da3m0n22 | same issue anyone? |
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| 09:20.06 | da3m0n22 | also is there any way to track deployment of https enabled debian repositories? |
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| 09:32.45 | beLiefs | anyone here messed with allwinner h3? |
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| 09:41.18 | petn-randall | da3m0n22: You'd have to ask that mirror provider what the issue is. It's not an official Debian mirror. |
| 09:41.27 | jelly | beLiefs: people in #linux-sunxi have. |
| 09:41.35 | petn-randall | da3m0n22: https://www.debian.org/mirror/official |
| 09:41.50 | jelly | (H3 is very much a work in progress) |
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| 09:42.11 | beLiefs | I understand. Thanks jelly. |
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| 09:43.46 | klys | http://paste.debian.net/913141/ |
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| 09:44.57 | petn-randall | klys: What am I looking at? |
| 09:45.09 | klys | petn-randall, line 5 |
| 09:45.40 | petn-randall | klys: How is this related to Debian? |
| 09:46.20 | klys | all packages from libc6 to fdisk to everything else I have installed here are debian packages. |
| 09:46.44 | petn-randall | klys: But you're running Ubuntu, right? |
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| 09:46.55 | klys | no that was the hostname before I changed it |
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| 09:57.08 | klys | looks like it needs a hybrid mbr to do that |
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| 09:59.39 | petn-randall | klys: From reading the backlog, it looks like you installed Debian stretch packages over an existing Ubuntu installation. That's not supported and will likely contribute to the problems you are seeing. |
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| 10:01.41 | ZIPY | hi, i cant install apps to my chromium (not enabled error) is this due to the freeze from jessie to stretch? |
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| 10:06.37 | klys | is there a kernel parameter for detecting partitions as GPT or MBR |
| 10:06.44 | petn-randall | ZIPY: Check /usr/share/doc/chromium/NEWS.Debian.gz. |
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| 10:26.51 | garit | what debian version would you suggest for emulator? debian8 has graphics that are slow and fails to go further than a 'instal' button on two emulators (qemu and bochs). probably older debian version will be better? which one? to be emulated with 256mb ram or about that and console only |
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| 10:28.25 | n4dir | i can't see how console only shouldn't be able to run well with 256 RAM. |
| 10:29.25 | garit | after i press 'install' it says something about mbr and doesnt run (qemu) or just go black screen (bosch) with debian 8 |
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| 10:29.38 | SynrG | garit: age has nothing to do with the graphics speed. desktop choice has more to do with it. agreed 256M RAM is too little for most desktop installs. |
| 10:29.57 | garit | and install screen itaelf has graphical background that takes a long time to load |
| 10:30.07 | SynrG | are you using netinst? you can choose alternate desktops |
| 10:30.21 | garit | i cant even go a install mode |
| 10:30.43 | garit | probably i should try netinst, thanks |
| 10:30.53 | SynrG | garit: what were you using? live? |
| 10:31.06 | SynrG | that would give you a very poor experience indeed |
| 10:31.08 | garit | small cd install |
| 10:31.27 | garit | not live |
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| 10:31.51 | SynrG | if you can't even run the installer, increase the amount of RAM you have allocated. |
| 10:32.05 | n4dir | debian install iso's now use graphical as default? |
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| 10:32.20 | garit | okay, will try. any suggestions? 400mb fails the same way |
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| 10:32.31 | SynrG | garit: also check your VM's graphic chipset options |
| 10:32.41 | garit | n4dir: no, just the background, some simple graphics like background image |
| 10:32.50 | SynrG | what do you mean "install button"? |
| 10:33.09 | SynrG | which specific image are you using? |
| 10:33.13 | wondiws | http://www.whale.to/vaccine/vaxtruth66z6z.jpg |
| 10:33.40 | garit | blue background with centered selection 'instal', 'graphic instal' ,'advanced options' |
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| 10:33.56 | garit | and with debian logo in background, in graphics |
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| 10:35.20 | n4dir | install should still be ncurses, as far i understand your explanation. Shouldn't use much RAM (and sure 256 shouldn't be a problem. Back then there was a small-RAM iso, for 32 MB ... ) |
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| 10:35.45 | garit | im using debian-8.7.1-i386-netinst.iso |
| 10:35.57 | SynrG | garit: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch03s04.html.en |
| 10:36.36 | n4dir | as far i can see 64 uses more RAM than 32. If low on ressources i for one wouldn't use 64 (well: i don't use it anyway) |
| 10:36.37 | SynrG | garit: according to the chart there, 256M should be enough, though i wouldn't install gnome with that. |
| 10:37.09 | garit | i dont need any graphics, nor wm or de. just plain console is fine for me |
| 10:37.23 | SynrG | i see. so the 128M minimum should work with that. |
| 10:37.36 | SynrG | are you using qemu-kvm? |
| 10:37.47 | SynrG | i don't know anything about bochs these days ... |
| 10:37.59 | SynrG | afaik, console-only should install in qemu-kvm just fine. |
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| 10:38.09 | n4dir | you sure you created the qemu-img (or how it is called) correct? |
| 10:38.17 | garit | its android with ports of bochs and qemu (limbo) |
| 10:38.21 | SynrG | what sort of system are you running qemu on? |
| 10:38.31 | garit | n4dir: i did use bximage as suggested in howto to bochs |
| 10:38.33 | jelly | 128M won't be enough for apt |
| 10:38.37 | jelly | afair |
| 10:38.42 | SynrG | *android* ... erk |
| 10:38.52 | SynrG | jelly: file a bug on the installation guide, please |
| 10:39.07 | n4dir | jelly: i sure installed debian on such systems (and even less RAM) |
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| 10:39.23 | SynrG | jelly: in which decade? |
| 10:39.27 | garit | i did try to use qemu in kali linux in adroid, but it fails trying to do graphic output. or goes black with -display none |
| 10:39.29 | SynrG | s/jelly/n4dir/ |
| 10:39.31 | jelly | SynrG: install may finish... eventually, but daily use |
| 10:39.53 | SynrG | jelly: gotcha. well, still fails "minimum" fsvo value of that word ... |
| 10:39.56 | jelly | nod |
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| 10:40.04 | SynrG | argh, redundant redundancy |
| 10:40.16 | SynrG | coffee. need more. |
| 10:40.25 | jelly | but if you preimage and just patch up, it may be ok |
| 10:40.33 | SynrG | possibly |
| 10:40.37 | garit | is there a pure-console emulator? |
| 10:40.44 | n4dir | easy enough to test that with qemu. But 128 be too little for apt? That sounds very unlikely. |
| 10:41.04 | SynrG | garit: divulging to us you were trying to install this on android might've helped to start out. |
| 10:41.10 | jelly | garit: everything will be slow in a fucking emulator on a fucking android, deal with it |
| 10:41.12 | SynrG | garit: we all assumed some normal platform |
| 10:41.33 | garit | jelly im fine with being slow, as long as it works, but it doesnt |
| 10:41.37 | SynrG | garit: try it again on a normal OS. |
| 10:41.37 | jelly | even native debootstrap will be slow, because your storage is meh |
| 10:41.39 | n4dir | not sure why one would want to do that anyway |
| 10:41.49 | jelly | (like Lil'Debi) |
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| 10:42.26 | jelly | n4dir: a) morbid curiosity b) preparing for death of general purpose computing devices |
| 10:42.50 | n4dir | http://www.wdowiak.me/anX11phone/ |
| 10:42.51 | ZIPY | petn-randall: there is no doc folder inside of share only chromium and it has no .gz files |
| 10:43.27 | n4dir | jelly: sure. |
| 10:43.44 | FinalX | a/w 26 |
| 10:43.46 | FinalX | oops |
| 10:43.52 | n4dir | i doubt computing devices will die though (gamers) |
| 10:43.54 | jelly | I tried using a couple deboostrap wrapper apps like Lil'Debi, they were usable if you knew a lot about root on android, and debootstrap, and failure modes of both platforms :-) |
| 10:43.57 | SynrG | garit: what works for me is to connect to debian systems from my android devices. i can't imagine the use of anything else. |
| 10:43.59 | garit | SynrG: i did use a emulator. it should npt matter that the host system is android |
| 10:44.10 | SynrG | garit: apparently it *does* matter |
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| 10:44.17 | SynrG | garit: fix your assumption |
| 10:44.34 | SynrG | we support debian here, not android |
| 10:44.44 | SynrG | if your emulator sucks on android, find some place that supports that |
| 10:45.07 | jelly | garit: see if you can emulate armhf instead, or use a native setup if possible |
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| 10:46.00 | garit | jelly i can use native Linux distro in a chroot, it works fine. but i need to emulate x86, since some programs dont support arm platform at all |
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| 10:46.40 | SynrG | garit: example use case? |
| 10:46.46 | garit | but so far emulator from a chroot, nor as a app, doesnt work |
| 10:47.06 | garit | SynrG: gomobile compiler of go code |
| 10:47.23 | n4dir | this way or that way this is not a qemu or debian problem, and an android support channel is the best bet |
| 10:47.28 | SynrG | ... |
| 10:47.38 | n4dir | like SynrG already said |
| 10:47.41 | SynrG | you want to do *development* in debian, emulated ... |
| 10:47.43 | SynrG | .... |
| 10:47.51 | SynrG | your certfied nuts |
| 10:47.53 | SynrG | you're* |
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| 10:48.16 | jelly | garit: on debian, you have the option to use multiarch and qemu-user-x86 (ABI wrapping) |
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| 10:48.34 | garit | but thats what linux is for, hehe =) being able whatever is possible |
| 10:48.51 | jelly | get a portable x86 machine instead. |
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| 10:48.54 | SynrG | garit: cut your losses. find another hobby today :) |
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| 10:49.03 | SynrG | this is a waste of effort |
| 10:49.19 | jelly | $200 for a thinkpad x220 on ebay and similar gets you a very decent 2012 platform |
| 10:49.31 | garit | jelly: i cant launch qemu because it tries to use graphics |
| 10:49.55 | jelly | garit: not qemu-system |
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| 10:50.15 | jelly | qemu-user |
| 10:50.56 | jelly | but I agree with Synr'G, it's a waste of effort since you're going to have issues on all levels |
| 10:51.24 | jelly | there are reasons why debian doesn't do cross-compiling or building inside qemu |
| 10:51.50 | jelly | compilers often act differently when emulated, produce different (and wrong) code |
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| 10:54.50 | n4dir | still wondering why apt shouldn't happily work with 128 MB, and sure will give it a try. |
| 10:55.42 | fa-st | I'm trying to install a debian on a vm in a xenpool. I've attached a partition from the host to the vm. I see the partition as /dev/xvda/ but when I'm trying to mount the partition I'm getting a "failed: No such file or directory". Any hints? |
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| 10:56.10 | fa-st | Yes, i checked for typos ;) |
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| 10:58.32 | n4dir | now that i think about it: my raspberry pi sure doesn't have much more than 128, and the last thing which complains about it is apt. |
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| 11:02.22 | juro | Hi, I am running a Debian Jessie 8.7 Docker container and am struggling to install the php-zip package. "apt-get install php-zip" results in a "package does not exist" error |
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| 11:03.39 | KjetilK | juro, I don't think php-zip is in jessie: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=php-zip |
| 11:03.53 | jelly | ,v php5-zip |
| 11:03.55 | judd | No package named 'php5-zip' was found in amd64. |
| 11:03.57 | jelly | ,v php-zip |
| 11:03.58 | judd | Package: php-zip on amd64 -- sid: 1:7.0+49; stretch: 1:7.0+49 |
| 11:04.16 | jelly | !win KjetilK |
| 11:04.16 | dpkg | Congratulations, KjetilK! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 11:04.26 | juro | KjetilK, what would you suggest I do? |
| 11:04.28 | KjetilK | :-) |
| 11:05.10 | KjetilK | juro, I don't know, I'm just using php now and then, not very familiar with the ecosystem |
| 11:05.13 | juro | (I have a lot of Ubuntu experience but Debian is slightly different) |
| 11:05.24 | juro | KjetilK, ok, thank you. |
| 11:05.30 | jelly | juro: zip extension is built in in php5 in jessie. Look at the description of eg. php5-cgi or libapache2-mod-php5 package |
| 11:05.43 | SynrG | ,v php-pclzip |
| 11:05.44 | judd | Package: php-pclzip on amd64 -- jessie: 2.8.2-3; stretch: 2.8.2-4; sid: 2.8.2-4 |
| 11:05.46 | SynrG | ? |
| 11:05.49 | juro | jelly, that makes sense |
| 11:05.49 | SynrG | shrugs |
| 11:06.12 | SynrG | ah |
| 11:06.43 | KjetilK | that is, if it is an experimental system, I would probably use stretch, for production, I don't know |
| 11:06.57 | SynrG | KjetilK: the question has already been answered. |
| 11:07.04 | SynrG | 07:05 < jelly> juro: zip extension is built in in php5 in jessie. Look at the description of eg. php5-cgi or libapache2-mod-php5 package |
| 11:07.23 | juro | SynrG, yes, thank you. I'm looking into that |
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| 11:07.47 | KjetilK | right, but I would still have suggested stretch for an experimental system :-) |
| 11:08.01 | SynrG | slightly irrelevant now that the correct answer was given :) |
| 11:08.07 | KjetilK | :-) |
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| 11:24.41 | CuSn | Hi, On debian Jessie, need to make a bootable USBkey. Jessie doessn't have the Unetbootin package. Is there another tool or way to build a bootable USB key on debian? Perhaps a way to do it by hand with dd? |
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| 11:32.32 | babilen | CuSn: What is the source of your data? |
| 11:32.55 | CuSn | Which data? |
| 11:32.55 | petn-randall | CuSn: cp <your.iso> /dev/<usbblockdevice> |
| 11:32.59 | babilen | judd: v unetbootin |
| 11:33.00 | judd | Package: unetbootin on amd64 -- wheezy: 575-1; sid: 608-1 |
| 11:33.11 | babilen | petn-randall: That only works if its a bootable image |
| 11:33.17 | petn-randall | CuSn: Assuming your .iso allows booting from USB, like the Debian images. |
| 11:33.17 | babilen | CuSn: The image you want to boot |
| 11:33.42 | CuSn | judd: will that runOk on JEssie? And doI have to alter my apt-get repositories config? |
| 11:34.04 | babilen | CuSn: Please don't -- Which image do you want to boot from? |
| 11:34.12 | CuSn | babilen: I intend to use Android-X86 |
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| 11:34.40 | babilen | CuSn: Is that a bootable ISO ? |
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| 11:35.53 | CuSn | baloney: it appears to be: http://www.jide.com/remixos-for-pc#downloadNow |
| 11:36.02 | CuSn | babilen: ^^^ |
| 11:36.16 | babilen | (in which case you could just write it to your usb stick e.g. "cp android-x86-6.0-r1.iso /dev/sdb") |
| 11:36.37 | babilen | That assumes that /dev/sdb is your USB stick |
| 11:36.45 | babilen | Please check that before writing anything |
| 11:36.56 | babilen | (and adjust accordingly) |
| 11:37.07 | SynrG | can it be assumed all such bootable images are now hybrid? |
| 11:37.24 | babilen | I don't think so |
| 11:37.25 | SynrG | it would be a stupid oversight if it weren't, but the web page says nothing about it |
| 11:37.33 | CuSn | I woulodn't :-) And "hybrid between what?" |
| 11:37.37 | babilen | Worth a try though |
| 11:37.38 | CuSn | *wouldn't |
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| 11:38.08 | SynrG | CuSn: hybrid iso images are a technology that has existed for several years. it allows an image made as an iso to be booted directly from usb without modification |
| 11:38.47 | SynrG | otherwise, there are tools like unetbootin that will unpack the iso and reassemble it on a USB (but that will mangle a debian image and render it unusable) |
| 11:38.50 | CuSn | SynrG: Ja, SUN tried something like itback in the late 80's. |
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| 11:39.13 | SynrG | all debian images have been hybrid for at least a couple of releases. |
| 11:39.24 | CuSn | SynrG: that would mean that unetbootin doen't work for it's intended purpose? |
| 11:39.47 | SynrG | that would mean just don't use unetbootin with *debian* images |
| 11:39.51 | SynrG | we can't speak for any others |
| 11:40.32 | CuSn | ah, i see the problem, When you say bootable hybrid, what two different boot modes do you mean it has? |
| 11:41.09 | SynrG | a debian install image, for example, has code that runs at boot that looks for bits of the image. when unetbootin moves it around, it can't find it any longer. and being hybrid, such tearing apart and putting back together is totally unnecessary anyway. |
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| 11:41.44 | SynrG | a hybrid can boot from optical media, or boot from USB. same image, unmodified. |
| 11:42.11 | SynrG | to optical, it looks like an ordinary iso. to USB, it has a boot sector of a hard drive as expected. |
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| 11:42.40 | CuSn | hmm, Wouldn't any ISO image be inherently capable of booting from either media? |
| 11:42.45 | SynrG | no |
| 11:42.57 | CuSn | aha! What fails? |
| 11:42.59 | SynrG | hence tools like unetbootin that "cleverly rearrange the bits" |
| 11:43.06 | SynrG | (not clever enough in debian's case :) |
| 11:43.26 | SynrG | doesn't look like a hard drive boot sector to the BIOS |
| 11:43.31 | SynrG | ^ what fails |
| 11:44.02 | SynrG | (note: some very old BIOSes hate hybrid images, but those are rarer and rarer these days) |
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| 11:44.29 | CuSn | well well. I just learned my 1 new thing for the day. I can go back to bed now.. and i just got up... |
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| 11:44.34 | SynrG | :) |
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| 11:47.50 | CuSn | Thanks everyone. it's good to have info from folks have have been there, done that. :-) |
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| 11:50.06 | juro | Ok, I have read up on both php5-cgi and libapache2-mod-php5 but I cannot get the php-zip to load. I use `php -m` to verify that it is loaded. Any other ideas? |
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| 11:53.44 | ImUs3r | i must install amd64? |
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| 11:54.18 | CuSn | ImUs3r: we need more info, pls |
| 11:54.53 | ImUs3r | i use intel chipset |
| 11:54.57 | ImUs3r | CuSn: |
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| 11:55.11 | ImUs3r | then i must install amd64? |
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| 11:58.42 | CuSn | must means you have no other choice. If you have a 64 bit Intel CPU you can use the amd64 image. But you also can probably sue the 32 bit image. |
| 11:58.44 | babilen | ImUs3r: You can install i386 if you really want 32bit |
| 11:58.45 | CuSn | *use |
| 11:59.05 | ImUs3r | i want 64 bit |
| 11:59.08 | babilen | As CuSn says, you still have a choice |
| 11:59.09 | ImUs3r | babilen: |
| 11:59.23 | babilen | ImUs3r: Use amd64 you want 64 bits |
| 11:59.26 | CuSn | wonders why they called it AMD64 and not just X86-64 |
| 11:59.33 | babilen | Debian that is? |
| 11:59.38 | babilen | dpkg: why amd64 |
| 11:59.38 | dpkg | The Debian architecture that runs on 64-bit processors from AMD and Intel is called "amd64" because the architecture was first developed by AMD. AMD64 is variously known as x86-64, x64, IA-32e, EM64T and Intel 64 (most of which are the Intel marketing people changing their mind). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/x86-64 |
| 11:59.54 | CuSn | babilen: gracis. |
| 12:00.11 | CuSn | clearly my fingers need more coffee. :) |
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| 12:01.44 | CuSn | dpkg is a self-taught chatbot? |
| 12:01.45 | dpkg | CuSn: wish i knew |
| 12:01.46 | SynrG | juro: phpenmod, i guess? |
| 12:01.59 | SynrG | juro: probably just not enabled by default |
| 12:02.23 | juro | SynrG, checking |
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| 12:04.06 | juro | Sync, apparently it is baked into the jessie version of php, so there is no module to enable. |
| 12:05.19 | bezaban | CuSn: not self tought no |
| 12:05.23 | bezaban | taught* |
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| 12:15.35 | CuSn | bezaban: ah, thanks |
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| 12:18.44 | jim | does i3 work well as the wm for kde, and if so, how would I install it and have it run instead of kwm (or whatever it's called)? |
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| 12:21.53 | armin | jim: think "mutex". |
| 12:22.05 | armin | jim: in other words: don't. |
| 12:22.18 | doubledutch | Not even KDM with i3 |
| 12:22.21 | armin | jim: either use i3 standalone, or use kde standalone, but don't consider mixing both. it doesn't make much sense. |
| 12:22.22 | doubledutch | I recommend using startx |
| 12:22.44 | armin | he's fine using KDM as long as KDM just starts his ~/.Xsession where he starts his i3 |
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| 12:23.23 | jim | I was basically curious, probably not gonna do it |
| 12:23.36 | armin | btw, gpg question: i copied over a backup copy of my ~/.gnupg folder (to that location, obviously) and did a gpg --list-secret-keys, but that doesn't show me any secret key, at all. any hint what i'm doing wrong? |
| 12:24.26 | doubledutch | armin: Are the permissions the same? |
| 12:25.12 | unborn | must admit that 7.1 install is very nice polished :) - I simply love it! |
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| 12:32.06 | armin | doubledutch: thanks. shot in the bull's eye. |
| 12:33.39 | armin | jim: anyways. using i3 with kde really doesn't make much sense. i3 is a very tiny and minimalist window manager (though it's pretty complete and gets the job done). KDE is a fully-fledged desktop-environment that actually comes with its own window manager, and even if it was possible to replace that one it doesn't make much sense, really. if you want a tiling WM, don't use KDE. |
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| 12:39.58 | unborn | armin i3 is nice! however kde is fully bloated - its so so complicated to even setup basic things... I think thats what he was trying to say. |
| 12:41.16 | unborn | is ugly gnome which removes features every times it gets updated.. however kde - unborn finds it hard to use... |
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| 12:46.07 | Stummi | KDE is nice when you switch from other big OSes, since it implements WIMP paradigms what all the other "user friendly" OSes are using. Making the transition easier since a user can can work what he is used to when interacting with desktops |
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| 12:46.30 | Stummi | at least it was that way when I switched to Debian from Windows. Not sure about today. I am a FVWM user since a few years now |
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| 12:50.14 | bezaban | cinnamon/mate is supposed to be good, but never tried it |
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| 12:51.58 | premoboss | hi i use debian stable, vlc does not play some dvd i have, i suspect i miss some libs but i duno what. |
| 12:52.27 | SynrG | juro: broken php app that only checks for module existence instead of existence of zip? |
| 12:53.40 | SynrG | !libdvdcss |
| 12:53.40 | dpkg | libdvdcss is a free software library for unscrambling <CSS>-encrypted DVDs, not to be confused with <DeCSS>. It is not distributed by Debian due to legal concerns. To acquire, see http://www.videolan.org/developers/libdvdcss.html for repository and APT signing key information, then install the libdvdcss2 package. |
| 12:53.50 | SynrG | premoboss: ^ |
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| 12:53.57 | premoboss | ok |
| 12:54.42 | premoboss | SynrG, thanks,. |
| 12:54.54 | SynrG | yw |
| 12:55.02 | unborn | bezaban: cinnamon have its own issues like printers etc.. :) |
| 12:55.27 | unborn | Stummi: sure.. at least I can try gnome vs cinnamon :) |
| 12:55.51 | SynrG | never had a cinnamon printer issue (albeit with stretch, not Jessie ...) |
| 12:55.54 | unborn | ah... |
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| 12:56.33 | SynrG | unborn: bug#? |
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| 12:57.03 | unborn | SynrG: indeed it is.. filled bug report year ago.. so..... |
| 12:57.19 | SynrG | link? |
| 12:57.29 | unborn | about libdvdcss - https://git.topfreelancer.co.uk/gs/libdvdcss |
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| 12:58.20 | themill | unborn: what's that link for? |
| 12:59.03 | unborn | themill: - you know.. |
| 12:59.10 | themill | no, I don't |
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| 12:59.21 | unborn | then I am sorry then. |
| 12:59.28 | armin | question about libvirt/qemu: i have 2 groups on my system after installing "virt-manager": "libvirt" and "libvirt-qemu". could anyone give me a hint what the purpose of these 2 groups is? i would love to give permissions to regular users to a) create VMs and b) put iso image files into /var/lib/libvirt/images/isos (a directory i created on my own but would need to chown, appropriately). suggestions welcome. |
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| 13:00.11 | premoboss | SynrG, i add repos, update apt, install libdvdcss2 but i stille ger no vision, kaffeine repor "error or encrypted DVD", also vlc does not play it. weird... |
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| 13:06.14 | juro | SynrG, well, `php -m` does not show zip :( |
| 13:06.59 | jelly | juro: what does "which php" say? |
| 13:07.22 | juro | jelly, `/usr/local/bin/php` |
| 13:07.23 | jelly | and dpkg -S $(readlink -f $(which php)) |
| 13:07.47 | jelly | juro: stuff in /usr/local is a local installation, not from any Debian package |
| 13:08.09 | juro | dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /usr/local/bin/php .... |
| 13:08.19 | jelly | right, not from a package |
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| 13:08.39 | jelly | /usr/bin/php is Debian's php5-cli thing |
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| 13:08.43 | juro | jelly, crap, this is the official Docker Wordpress container ... |
| 13:09.07 | jelly | juro: it's officially full of stuff that this channel cannot support. Ask the author of that container. |
| 13:09.34 | juro | jelly, ok, thank you. At least now I know it isn't something I was doing incorrectly. |
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| 13:10.26 | Plushwolf | Where can I see a list of still unfixed bugs in stretch? |
| 13:11.42 | Stummi | bugs.debian.org |
| 13:12.35 | Plushwolf | Thank you |
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| 13:13.10 | themill | Plushwolf: the 4 views at the top of https://udd.debian.org/bugs/ are useful |
| 13:13.46 | Plushwolf | Thank you |
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| 13:18.25 | petn-randall | Hi, is there an easy way to cache content going via https on squid? The usual approach is that the client does a CONNECT to squid, and it passes the information byte-for-byte to the destination. But I'd like to also cache this data. What would I have to do to the client/squid server to accomplish this? |
| 13:19.10 | petn-randall | I want to cache data that our build machines request, and some data is retrieved via https. |
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| 13:42.20 | SirLagz | I'm currently running badblocks on a linux box. lsof is showing the offset of `badblocks` as 0x347ca30000. would it be a safe assumption that the offset is how far along badblocks has scanned? |
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| 13:48.35 | piGoJeff | #raspbian |
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| 13:52.21 | tw | SirLagz: depending on configuration, it makes multiple passes, so it may be that offset in the Nth pass. I recall badblocks having a progress output option which you should probably be using. |
| 13:52.39 | frostschutz | SirLagz, yup |
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| 13:52.55 | SirLagz | tw: I would have used the progress output option if I was given the choice |
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| 13:53.14 | SirLagz | frostschutz: cool thanks. |
| 13:53.17 | frostschutz | why are you running badblocks? |
| 13:53.56 | SirLagz | frostschutz: it's an old disk, wanted to make sure there wasn't any bad blocks before I put it into a RAID array |
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| 13:55.48 | SirLagz | tw: I don't mind if it's making multiple passes, I just wanted to know how far long it was... |
| 13:56.39 | tw | offset is a blunt instrument, but it'll work for your purposes. |
| 13:56.44 | SirLagz | so. My next question is...how do I turn this 0x35e1c7a000 into something readable... |
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| 13:56.50 | SirLagz | I can't quite work it out |
| 13:57.22 | petn-randall | SirLagz: It's hexadecimal, convert it do decimal. Then you just need to know what that number means ... |
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| 13:57.29 | SirLagz | turning 0x35e1c7a000 into decimal makes no sense |
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| 13:58.05 | petn-randall | SirLagz: why? |
| 13:58.12 | SirLagz | petn-randall: sorry, I meant the number that comes out of it |
| 13:58.28 | SirLagz | petn-randall: unless it's going *really really* slowly |
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| 13:59.29 | SirLagz | dividing it by 1024/1024/1024 comes out with gets me 215...not sure if that's GB though |
| 14:00.36 | tw | SirLagz: did you set the block size when you started to 4096? |
| 14:01.03 | SirLagz | tw: /sbin/badblocks_64 -b 4096 -s /dev/sda <-- that's the command that started badblocks |
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| 14:02.53 | tw | the 2TB I wiped last week took 10+ hours on a healthy disk, so it may be a while. |
| 14:03.45 | SirLagz | tw: it's been 24hours by now |
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| 14:04.01 | SirLagz | tw: but like you said...maybe it's on its 3rd or 4th pass maybe |
| 14:04.05 | SirLagz | tw: it's also a 2TB disk |
| 14:05.40 | jidiculous | i'm getting the "oh no! something has gone wrong." error on debian jessie. error screen shows up before reaching the login screen. remote access by ssh seems to be unaffected and x11 forwarding still works with ssh too. |
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| 14:11.12 | mahmoudgebril | 9 11 attacks, Did USA do it itself or it just let it happen? |
| 14:11.12 | mahmoudgebril | Did USA administration murder 3000 American citizen in 9 11 attacks to justify starting a war against iraq? |
| 14:11.12 | mahmoudgebril | If al-qaeda did it, why go to kill 2 million Iraqi? |
| 14:11.12 | mahmoudgebril | http://creatvchaos.blogspot.com.eg/ |
| 14:11.12 | mahmoudgebril | https://creatvchaos.wordpress.com/ |
| 14:11.12 | mahmoudgebril | Some of the benefits Americans say they achieved after 9 11 attacks include: |
| 14:11.12 | mahmoudgebril | *constant flow of oil, which price is in continuous decline. Trump said he will simply take the Iraqi oil, and when he was told that Iraqi oil belongs to iraq he said there is no iraq(after usa destroyed it ). |
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| 14:13.00 | niko | babilen: he has no account |
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| 14:13.41 | Chrismeister | I intend to use a Debian machine for surfing, editing documents and programming. The machine has a modern Nvidia graphics card: would you suggest me installing graphic card drivers or use the ones included in the kernel? |
| 14:14.02 | babilen | niko: Ah, ta! |
| 14:14.13 | petn-randall | Chrismeister: How modern? |
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| 14:14.26 | Chrismeister | petn-randall: |
| 14:14.26 | Chrismeister | NVIDIA Corporation GK107 [GeForce GT 630 OEM] |
| 14:14.37 | SirLagz | Chrismeister: just use the non-free nvidia ones in the kernel |
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| 14:15.28 | Chrismeister | SirLagz: The nvidia-driver package? |
| 14:15.40 | SirLagz | Chrismeister: I think that's it |
| 14:15.47 | Chrismeister | SirLagz: Okey, thx |
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| 14:16.25 | somiaj | !nvidia dkms |
| 14:16.25 | dpkg | For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. |
| 14:17.06 | Chrismeister | somiaj: Yeah, also I found this amazing page https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 14:21.43 | Lady_Aleena | Would I get thwopped for asking a question in here which I just asked in ##linux, but it scrolled fast and is unanswered? |
| 14:21.52 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: ask away...I did the same lol |
| 14:22.27 | Lady_Aleena | "sudo usermod -l newname oldname" is for changing usernames, correct? (I'm clearing my desk of random pieces of paper.) |
| 14:22.45 | petn-randall | Lady_Aleena: What does the man page say? |
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| 14:23.52 | Lady_Aleena | Will I get thwopped for saying "too scattered to man"? |
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| 14:25.21 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: -l : The name of the user will be changed from LOGIN to NEW_LOGIN. |
| 14:25.38 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: so yes...-l changes username |
| 14:25.55 | Lady_Aleena | SirLagz, thank you. |
| 14:26.40 | Lady_Aleena | Thanks for not thwopping me. |
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| 14:28.23 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: no problems :) |
| 14:29.26 | petn-randall | SirLagz: So much for teaching how to fish and all ... :) |
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| 14:30.30 | SirLagz | petn-randall: well, I've tried before |
| 14:30.42 | SirLagz | petn-randall: sometimes it's just easier to hand them the fish :P |
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| 14:33.10 | jidiculous | i'm getting the "oh no! something has gone wrong." error on debian jessie. error screen shows up before reaching the login screen. remote access by ssh seems to be unaffected and x11 forwarding still works with ssh too. (sorry for reposting, just not sure if anyone saw my question) |
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| 15:12.13 | GPenguin | hello. how can i see on the popular package contest site which bunch of packages is the most popular? |
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| 15:13.43 | babilen | GPenguin: http://popcon.debian.org/main/by_inst ? |
| 15:14.06 | babilen | "Statistics for sections sorted by fields" |
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| 15:16.00 | GPenguin | oh, wow. thank you babilen |
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| 15:16.16 | babilen | yw |
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| 15:17.37 | OS-25844 | hi |
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| 15:21.52 | Digital | why is virtualbox distributed under contrib? it seems like it is open source |
| 15:22.34 | Brigo | Digital, usually contrib is for free software that needs non-free sofware for running. |
| 15:22.42 | jidiculous | seems to be an issue with GDM but i'm not sure where to go from here |
| 15:23.10 | Digital | is it isn't completely open source ._. |
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| 15:24.01 | SynrG | Digital: as per https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox "The virtualbox-* packages were moved to contrib at VirtualBox 4.2, as a non-free compiler (Open Watcom) is required to build the BIOS." |
| 15:24.19 | Brigo | jidiculous, any clue in logs? |
| 15:24.58 | SynrG | Brigo, Digital: so to add to what Brigo said "... that needs non-free software for running or building" |
| 15:25.32 | SynrG | i.e. if for *any* reason it depends on non-free, it cannot go into main |
| 15:25.36 | Digital | SynrG; ah thank you :) |
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| 15:26.06 | SynrG | !contrib |
| 15:26.06 | dpkg | [contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compliant software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ [jessie|stretch|sid] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then «aptitude update». Also ask me about <non-free>, <contrib list>. |
| 15:26.10 | Brigo | SynrG, i am used to be corrected by you :D |
| 15:26.35 | Digital | lol |
| 15:26.47 | SynrG | and note that it doesn't necessarily depend on something from non-free |
| 15:26.54 | SynrG | read the "possibly packaged for ..." part. |
| 15:27.01 | SynrG | it could be downloaded from "elsewhere" |
| 15:28.33 | Brigo | Digital, so now you know even more than you wanted :) |
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| 15:31.04 | SynrG | hypothetical scenario where this matters: a bug in Open Watcom causes a bug in the BIOS. since we don't have the source to the compiler, we can't ship a patch that fixes the issue, even if we knew how :p |
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| 15:32.02 | SynrG | k. i'll shut off the firehose now ;) |
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| 15:33.08 | Digital | actual scenario where this matters: I'm a ridiculously person who wants to only work with 100% open source code :3 |
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| 15:34.43 | han-solo | open source BIOS |
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| 15:35.50 | petn-randall | Digital: All your firmware is open source? |
| 15:36.11 | jelly | Digital: then get hardware that can run libreboot or at least coreboot for firmware |
| 15:36.57 | SynrG | Digital: it's not a ridiculous concern. if you want to attack it, see #debian-offtopic, or /dev/null :p |
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| 15:37.04 | jelly | yes, there are people with those priorities |
| 15:37.38 | Digital | petn-randall: as long as the debian installer didn't install any closed source firmware, I don't use it |
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| 15:38.09 | Digital | I know, I'm one of them. to most people it's ridiculous though |
| 15:38.58 | petn-randall | Digital: Your BIOS is closed source, and it also ships firmware for your CPU and GPU that is closed-source. |
| 15:39.00 | SynrG | hypothetical (and more sinister) scenario #2: an attacker manages to sneak a backdoor into the virtualbox BIOS through their non-free compiler. how would we know? |
| 15:39.10 | SynrG | don't just dismiss it because it has never happened to you |
| 15:39.15 | petn-randall | Probably the same for your Ethernet and wifi devices. |
| 15:39.26 | Digital | i was afraid of that lol |
| 15:39.44 | SynrG | (that you *know* of ;) ) |
| 15:40.01 | petn-randall | Digital: I'm also concerned about that development, it's not completely ridiculous, but just difficult to achieve. |
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| 15:40.18 | jidiculous | Brigo: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/g7oGqeNY/ |
| 15:40.19 | Digital | how do i know it has never happened to me? xD |
| 15:40.23 | jidiculous | this is the gdm status |
| 15:40.46 | Digital | yeah, you people are cool |
| 15:42.03 | jidiculous | Brigo: also seeing a segfault in /var/log/messages but not sure if it's relevant https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/vOMD2tcP/ |
| 15:44.18 | Brigo | jidiculous, check the time for the segfault. |
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| 15:45.38 | Brigo | jidiculous, i would need this log more verbose, you can paste it in paste.debian.net |
| 15:46.15 | Brigo | !pastebinit |
| 15:46.15 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" or configure pastebinit to use something other than pastebin.com. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
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| 15:53.06 | SynrG | dpkg: no, pastebinit is <reply>A command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
| 15:53.07 | dpkg | okay, SynrG |
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| 15:57.48 | Brigo | have to go, bye |
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| 15:59.40 | dpkg | WANTED: loving home for CPU architecture. Alpha is housebroken, and has had all its shots. Friendly, affectionate and energetic! Contact DEC (oops, Compaq! (oops, HP! (oops, the morgue))) for details. http://www.debian.org/ports/alpha/ http://alphalinux.org/wiki/ #alpha on irc.freenode.net. Debian 6.0 ("Squeeze") drops official support for the Alpha architecture. See also <qotd230>. |
| 15:59.48 | jeffspeff | debian newb here... when i run apt upgrade jitsi, it errors with jitsi : Depends: libappindicator1 but it is not going to be installed but when i do apt list *appindicator* it shows libappindicator1/stable 0.4.92-3.1 amd64 am i doing something wrong or is it normal to have to install deps independantly in debian? |
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| 16:00.39 | jeffspeff | here's the full cli output https://gist.github.com/jeffclay/2c71c55adb9cd8e3e88c35c8e59a0981 |
| 16:01.40 | colo-work | ... are you sure this is an actual Debian system? |
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| 16:02.21 | colo-work | and where is your jitsi package coming from? |
| 16:02.24 | jeffspeff | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 16:02.24 | jeffspeff | 8.7 |
| 16:02.34 | jeffspeff | colo-work it's coming from the jitsi repo |
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| 16:02.52 | colo-work | jeffspeff, what's the sources.list entry for that repo? |
| 16:02.56 | jeffspeff | the repo was added as per https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet/blob/master/doc/quick-install.md |
| 16:03.13 | jeffspeff | https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet/blob/master/doc/quick-install.md#basic-jitsi-meet-install |
| 16:03.45 | TomTomTosch | the upgrade command will not install new dependencies. use apt install instead. make use that package was built for jessie first, though. |
| 16:03.56 | TomTomTosch | s/use/sure/ |
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| 16:04.28 | jeffspeff | This document describes the required steps for a quick Jitsi Meet installation on a Debian based GNU/Linux system. Debian 8 (Jessie) or later, and Ubuntu 14.04 or later are supported out-of-the-box. |
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| 16:05.48 | TomTomTosch | nowhere there does it tell you to run apt upgrade jitsi |
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| 16:06.26 | jeffspeff | right, the instructions are for a fresh install. i've already installed and wanted to update. |
| 16:06.52 | jeffspeff | i'm from RHEL/Centos land, and learning debian for this system... |
| 16:06.58 | TomTomTosch | if the dependencies changed, apt upgrade will not install them. use apt install instead... |
| 16:07.10 | jeffspeff | ok |
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| 16:51.43 | hmuller | Anyone using systemd-networkd with systemd-resolved? looks like ifupdown not required for this combination, is this correct? |
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| 17:00.06 | petn-randall | hmuller: Probably. Haven't used either yet. But I've heard many embedded systems already use it. |
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| 17:10.02 | Lady_Aleena | What is the command to find out the name of a package? |
| 17:10.27 | towo` | apt-cache search foo? |
| 17:10.34 | Lady_Aleena | towo`, thanks. |
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| 17:11.52 | Lady_Aleena | head desks. |
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| 17:20.28 | Lady_Aleena | Is google chrome just chrome? |
| 17:21.14 | tomcres | LadyAleena, not sure what you mean |
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| 17:26.51 | Lady_Aleena | Sorry, I had to reboot my computer to get my keyboard back. |
| 17:27.48 | Lady_Aleena | tomcres, I am trying to find the name of the Google Chrome package so I can download and install it. I am having trouble get Verizon's site to load some things, and it may be Firefox related. |
| 17:28.20 | tomcres | Oh. You can get it from www.google.com/chrome |
| 17:28.39 | SynrG | if you truly need google's package. |
| 17:28.44 | Lady_Aleena | tomcres, sudo apt-get install can't get it anymore? |
| 17:28.47 | SynrG | but to get support here, use chromium instead. |
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| 17:29.08 | Lady_Aleena | SynrG, thank you! That is the name I needed. |
| 17:29.12 | SynrG | Lady_Aleena: so the simple answer is "apt-get install chromium" :) |
| 17:29.31 | tomcres | If you don't need flash, you can get chromium from apt |
| 17:29.44 | SynrG | well, there is pepperflash plugin for that |
| 17:29.58 | Lady_Aleena | SynrG, thank goodness I have a little alias/bash script called "suag". |
| 17:29.59 | tomcres | Peppercor |
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| 17:30.11 | tomcres | Pepperflash is broken |
| 17:30.19 | SynrG | tomcres: in jessie? |
| 17:30.24 | tomcres | Yep |
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| 17:30.35 | SynrG | fun times. flash needs to die anyway |
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| 17:30.55 | SynrG | tomcres: bug#? |
| 17:31.03 | jelly | the installer may be broken, because the plugin that used to be shipped with Google Chrome is now back to being provided by Adobe |
| 17:31.17 | SynrG | no backport? |
| 17:31.22 | SynrG | ,v pepperflash-plugin |
| 17:31.22 | jelly | I have no idea where Google Chrome downloads it from, but it does |
| 17:31.23 | judd | No package named 'pepperflash-plugin' was found in amd64. |
| 17:31.28 | SynrG | err |
| 17:31.30 | SynrG | !pepperflash |
| 17:31.31 | dpkg | Pepper Flash Player is a proprietary <flash> plugin included with the Google Chrome web browser. The pepperflashplugin-nonfree Debian package can be used to install this plugin for the <Chromium> browser, ask me about <contrib>. https://wiki.debian.org/PepperFlashPlayer |
| 17:31.32 | jelly | (and I don't use chromium to care) |
| 17:31.37 | SynrG | ,v pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
| 17:31.38 | judd | Package: pepperflashplugin-nonfree on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/contrib: 1.4~bpo60+1; jessie/contrib: 1.8.1+deb8u1; sid/contrib: 1.8.3+nmu1 |
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| 17:33.15 | somiaj | you can manually download pepperflash from adobe's site now, but chromium is a pain, you need a config file to actually load the config |
| 17:33.16 | SynrG | tomcres: i see no outstanding bug on the package about this. have i overlooked one? |
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| 17:33.28 | somiaj | it was broken, I think it has recentally been fixed |
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| 17:33.48 | somiaj | but that is why it isn't in stretch, missed the freeze |
| 17:34.04 | SynrG | fun times. backports here we come. |
| 17:34.09 | somiaj | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=839543 |
| 17:34.10 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/839543 in pepperflashplugin-nonfree (open): «pepperflashplugin-nonfree: plugin download fails with GPG error»; severity: important; opened: 2016-10-01; last modified: 2016-11-17. |
| 17:34.21 | somiaj | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=833741 |
| 17:34.23 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/833741 in pepperflashplugin-nonfree (closed, patch): «pepperflashplugin-nonfree: Feature request?: Download from Adobe instead of Google.»; severity: grave; opened: 2016-08-08; last modified: 2017-01-16. |
| 17:34.27 | somiaj | nevrmind that is the bug, but it is now closed |
| 17:34.27 | SynrG | somiaj: that one has a simple workaround |
| 17:34.35 | SynrG | er, the first one |
| 17:34.54 | SynrG | so the second was the one that made it miss the freeze |
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| 17:35.23 | jelly | ooh, and 32bit support is back? |
| 17:35.26 | jelly | shiny |
| 17:35.40 | SynrG | but flash. still. needs. to. die. |
| 17:35.46 | jelly | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 17:35.51 | blackflow | what's flash? |
| 17:35.51 | somiaj | yup, bacsically google-chrome doesn't ship it the same, so the old script that took the plugin from the google-chrome package was broken, that was the bug to get it back to getting the plugin from adobe, but it missed the freeze |
| 17:36.04 | SynrG | blackflow: blissfully ignorant? :) |
| 17:36.04 | somiaj | jelly: adobe is now offically supporting an napi plugin again that isn't years outdated |
| 17:36.18 | SynrG | blackflow: adobe flash. scourge of the interwebs. |
| 17:36.36 | somiaj | I guess a fix could be get the package from sid in stretch, in jessie I'm unsure if there is a fix |
| 17:36.49 | jelly | somiaj: yes, but I use the npapi-capable browser for actually useful stuff, and only play crap on the pepper-capable browser |
| 17:37.07 | tomcres | I hate flash, but my 6 year old daughter uses flash sites |
| 17:37.21 | blackflow | SynrG: your sarcasm detector needs new batteries :) that said, I've been running flash-less browsers for over a year now. haven't noticed it. |
| 17:37.29 | Lady_Aleena | growls at her monitor. |
| 17:37.33 | jelly | my 1 year old virtualization solution also uses flash |
| 17:37.47 | Lady_Aleena | I just installed chromium for nothing. |
| 17:37.51 | SynrG | blackflow: i considered it might be sarcasm, but then again, this is #debian ... |
| 17:37.55 | SynrG | blackflow: and i don't really know you |
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| 17:38.08 | blackflow | I'm more concerned with upcoming removal of java support in FF. All my servers need java applets to access ipmi etc |
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| 17:38.16 | blackflow | SynrG: ;) |
| 17:38.40 | Lady_Aleena | Do I want to know what ipmi is? |
| 17:38.41 | jelly | blackflow: hopefully that happens after 52ESR |
| 17:38.45 | somiaj | blackflow: been using chromium for years, lack of java support has yet to be an issue here. (: |
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| 17:38.58 | SynrG | oh, don't get me started about java firmwares in embedded devices that are past EOL and have no prospect of upgrades :( |
| 17:38.59 | blackflow | Lady_Aleena: hardware based server management |
| 17:39.16 | Lady_Aleena | blackflow, glad I don't have to worry about that. |
| 17:39.20 | blackflow | Lady_Aleena: like, a separate network port that runs a service through which you can control the hardware, reboot, reinstall, access kvm, etc... |
| 17:39.27 | jelly | blackflow: and we already keep XP or 2003 machines with IE6 and java... like 1.5, just to be able to manage some hardware |
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| 17:39.42 | blackflow | jelly: omg! :) |
| 17:40.00 | jelly | SynrG: it's not just embedded crap. XenServer console, too |
| 17:40.09 | SynrG | the web interface thingy for iLO 1 is java-based :p |
| 17:40.13 | SynrG | uggh |
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| 17:40.28 | SynrG | and the crypto is broken/unsafe. |
| 17:40.51 | SynrG | and oops, this has strayed very OT. apologies. |
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| 17:42.24 | tomcres | Will the sid (fixed) version of pepperflashplugin-nonfree ever find its way into Jessie? |
| 17:43.53 | Lady_Aleena | is going to go to #debian-offtopic to scream. |
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| 17:44.27 | jelly | tomcres: no, but the stretch version may |
| 17:44.27 | somiaj | tomcres: maybe after the release with jessie-backports-sloppy |
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| 17:44.52 | somiaj | jelly: are they going to unblock it and push it into stretch? |
| 17:44.54 | hmuller | just to confirm, if dpkg -S <path/file> reports that--> dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern <path/file>, then the file was installed outside of dpkg/apt, correct? |
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| 17:45.21 | missmbob | tomcres: btw i've been using this and it's great https://gist.githubusercontent.com/ruario/215c365facfe8d3c5071/raw/ddf0c4e3e2a0a8ba8614c95011d4950c9617cfae/latest-pepper-flash.sh |
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| 17:45.27 | jelly | somiaj: I have no idea about "their" sanity and level of overworkedness |
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| 17:52.14 | no_gravity | Hello! Is there a way to see when a bash process was last used? When the last time something was typed or a command was executed? |
| 17:52.47 | SynrG | w? |
| 17:52.57 | SynrG | IDLE column |
| 17:53.14 | no_gravity | Wow, interesting. Didn't know about w. |
| 17:53.23 | contrapunctus | TIL |
| 17:53.42 | no_gravity | What does 3:01m mean? Idle for 3 minutes? |
| 17:54.28 | blackflow | uhm... that's login session age... |
| 17:55.05 | no_gravity | blackflow: What? |
| 17:55.17 | blackflow | in the output of w? |
| 17:55.26 | no_gravity | Yeah, the IDLE column. |
| 17:55.35 | no_gravity | It says 3:03m |
| 17:55.47 | no_gravity | I doubt it's 3:03 minutes. |
| 17:55.59 | SynrG | the usual rules for reading times? |
| 17:56.07 | no_gravity | Maybe it's 3 hours 4 minutes? |
| 17:56.07 | SynrG | the thing before the colon is hours, after is minutes |
| 17:56.21 | no_gravity | And what is the letter m? |
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| 17:56.36 | no_gravity | There are also lines with no letter. |
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| 17:56.43 | no_gravity | One says "28:16" for example. |
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| 17:56.54 | SynrG | i think they stick in 'm' only after a bunch of 's' |
| 17:57.08 | blackflow | not sure what that m is, but IDLE column is login session age, not "when a bash process was last used" |
| 17:57.11 | SynrG | so you don't read a column with seconds and misread the next one as seconds too |
| 17:57.34 | SynrG | likewise for 's'. only shown when the previous entry ended in minutes. |
| 17:57.36 | jelly | and after 36 hours, it starts saying 2days |
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| 17:57.58 | unborn | join #virtualmin |
| 17:58.04 | no_gravity | blackflow: I think it indeed says whent it was last used. |
| 17:58.15 | unborn | ah banned :) |
| 17:58.33 | SynrG | or, no ... last bit was speculation and is wrong. |
| 17:58.50 | blackflow | no_gravity: then typing w again after 2 seconds should say 2s, does it? |
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| 17:59.04 | SynrG | blackflow: from what i can see if it's in seconds, it is always suffixed s, but if in minutes, only suffixed 'm' if the previous entry was in seconds. |
| 17:59.15 | no_gravity | blackflow: yup it does. |
| 17:59.27 | SynrG | er, no_gravity ^^ |
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| 18:00.38 | blackflow | no_gravity: just checked mine. weird, stuck at 4 days no matter what I do :) |
| 18:00.46 | blackflow | (and that was when I last rebooted yeah) |
| 18:01.03 | SynrG | blackflow: that wouldn't happen to be for the X session? |
| 18:01.24 | blackflow | SynrG: probably is, but it's the output of w |
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| 18:01.34 | unborn | SynrG: perhaps he did kernel update without reboot..sometimes it happens |
| 18:01.48 | SynrG | i think this is only login shells. |
| 18:01.57 | no_gravity | blackflow: Are you root? |
| 18:02.02 | blackflow | no_gravity: nope |
| 18:02.18 | no_gravity | blackflow: Random guess: non-root users might be second class to w. |
| 18:02.27 | no_gravity | And get served nonsense :) |
| 18:02.32 | blackflow | heh :) |
| 18:02.43 | unborn | heh |
| 18:02.45 | unborn | :) |
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| 18:04.02 | blackflow | funny, when I ssh to a Jessie server and type w, wait for 2 seconds, type w, wait for two seconds, type w again, I get 0s, 2s, 4s, 0s.... |
| 18:04.09 | blackflow | (ssh in as root) |
| 18:04.35 | jelly | just open up a bunch of screens or tmuxes |
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| 18:05.40 | unborn | blackflow: of you root then you can read logs = means you know.. if not - what are you asking? w does tell you when you was logged in last time... |
| 18:06.04 | unborn | if youare not root. then - no way.. |
| 18:06.05 | SynrG | ? |
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| 18:06.11 | blackflow | unborn: I'm not asking, no_gravity was about checking last time a bash process was used |
| 18:06.13 | SynrG | last tells you when you were logged in last time |
| 18:06.44 | unborn | blackflow: ah i see.. have look at logs... /var/log |
| 18:06.49 | SynrG | similar but not identical to w |
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| 18:08.42 | blackflow | no_gravity: check HISTTIMEFORMAT in the shell manual |
| 18:09.10 | blackflow | no_gravity: hrm... that's for bash only |
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| 18:13.46 | bhurstpdx | `dpkg' package management program version 1.17.27 (armhf) segfaults when I try to install anything. Any ideas? |
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| 18:18.05 | jelly | bhurstpdx: debian proper, or raspbian? |
| 18:18.20 | jelly | bhurstpdx: which hardware platform? |
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| 18:19.05 | bhurstpdx | rasbian, raspberry pi2, arm7 cpu |
| 18:19.18 | jelly | bhurstpdx: ask in #raspbian channel, then |
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| 18:27.59 | riceandbeans | so, I get hostname verification failed at /usr/share/perl5/LWP/Protocol/http.pm line 47. after taking our internal CA and adding it to the debian ca root bundle, but if I tell it $ENV{HTTPS_CA_FILE} it works fine, any ideas what that would be caused by? |
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| 18:48.22 | unborn | bhurstpdx: debian is not same as rpis debian.. you would be better to contact - some people however I forgot what rpis chan is it.. |
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| 18:50.33 | unborn | bhurstpdx: debian is not same as rpis debian.. you would be better to contact them directly - ask in #raspbian channel |
| 18:50.47 | SynrG | unborn: this was already answered |
| 18:51.33 | unborn | SynrG: and ? I did provide the answer as I did not seen the resolution for the question.... |
| 18:51.44 | unborn | please do not ban me. |
| 18:51.51 | SynrG | unborn: the same advice you gave. immediately after they asked. |
| 18:52.25 | SynrG | unborn: unless you have some of our key helpers on ignore ... |
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| 18:52.35 | unborn | SynrG: sure.. i noted.. why are you remind me this things? |
| 18:53.20 | SynrG | unborn: just keeping things tidy. |
| 18:53.38 | unborn | SynrG: you are wrong.. why did you remind me something when you was confident its wrong... |
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| 18:53.52 | SynrG | ? |
| 18:54.09 | unborn | SynrG: thanks.. keep your own stuff clean... |
| 18:54.13 | SynrG | unborn: i theorized you might've missed the answer. if it was wrong, don't take offense. certainly no offense was meant. |
| 18:54.40 | SynrG | unborn: i mean as a chan op, trying to keep some order. if helpers miss answers, i like to know why. |
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| 18:54.53 | unborn | which was very wrong,,, SynrG |
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| 18:57.01 | unborn | SynrG: theories my friend - we are all debian without theories dont we?? - so what is wrong with you and your own theory? |
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| 18:57.48 | jelly | unborn: go argue about meta in private or in #debian-offtopic, this channel is for tech support |
| 18:57.51 | teraflops | unborn: c'mon let it go⦠|
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| 19:21.57 | SanchoPensa | can you please tell me, how to fix the width of a line feed systemwide? |
| 19:21.57 | SanchoPensa | ever since the last update, my linefeeds are always 2 lines, except, if i hit ctrl+return |
| 19:22.27 | SanchoPensa | no matter whether iceweasel, or libr office. |
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| 19:47.59 | nkuttler | ^^ obvious phishing |
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| 19:49.39 | OerHeks | nkuttler, i forgot my oldpassword .. sorry |
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| 19:50.21 | chetfaker1998 | hello could anyone help me in locating BIOS variables ? |
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| 19:52.22 | chetfaker1998 | hello could anyone help me in locating BIOS variables file? |
| 19:52.27 | OerHeks | chetfaker1998, one tool that comes in mind: dmidecode |
| 19:52.40 | chetfaker1998 | its in /sys/firmware but theres two folder acpi or dmi? |
| 19:52.47 | chetfaker1998 | where do I find my BIOS varialbes |
| 19:53.04 | teraflops | wat |
| 19:53.06 | chetfaker1998 | I'm using ghex to edit the binary |
| 19:53.23 | chetfaker1998 | but which one is the binary file? In acpi folder or dmi? |
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| 19:54.32 | chetfaker1998 | anyone has suggestions |
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| 19:54.43 | chetfaker1998 | https://patrikesn.wordpress.com/2015/01/11/guide-unlocking-the-hidden-bios-pages-on-lenovo-miix-2-11/ |
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| 19:54.57 | tobiasBora | Hello, |
| 19:55.00 | chetfaker1998 | what I mean is something like this, but mine is different model, so I don't know where the files are located |
| 19:55.29 | teraflops | chetfaker1998: stop calling BIOS to UEFI⦠|
| 19:55.29 | greycat | I don't suppose anyone here has magic workaround for sending Outlook Calendar meeting requests from a Debian system to an Exchange/Outlook system to get around the "not supported calendar message.ics" problem.... |
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| 19:56.32 | greycat | gives up for now and closes literally 17 web browser tabs |
| 19:56.44 | chetfaker1998 | @teraflops what |
| 19:56.55 | teraflops | that, also this is no twitter |
| 19:57.18 | chetfaker1998 | Ok so could you help me somehow |
| 19:57.30 | chetfaker1998 | I just want to unlock my BIOS setting so that it could have the advanced tab |
| 19:57.36 | somiaj | greycat: ms dosen't have a webapp you can do this with? -- sure you checked that but I thought ms had a webapp for outlook these days. |
| 19:58.05 | greycat | I can run Outlook Web App to see that it is failing. What I can't manage to do is make it NOT fail. |
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| 19:59.32 | Gorwell | Hello, is cdimage.debian.org not working for you too? |
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| 20:00.23 | missmbob | Gorwell: not working |
| 20:00.48 | Gorwell | missmbob: |
| 20:00.51 | Gorwell | thanks |
| 20:00.53 | Gorwell | :( |
| 20:01.10 | Gorwell | is there anywhere else where I can get an installation image? |
| 20:01.22 | Gorwell | I'm only interested in the .torrent file for the first DVD |
| 20:01.47 | missmbob | Gorwell: i trust these guys http://debian.osuosl.org/debian-cdimage/ |
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| 20:02.31 | ndiddy | hey, does anyone have a copy of the debian 9 rc 2 cd image (usually found here) http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/stretch_di_rc2/i386/iso-cd/debian-stretch-DI-rc2-i386-netinst.iso |
| 20:02.46 | ndiddy | as far as i can tell cdimage.debian.org is down right now |
| 20:02.50 | Gorwell | missmbob: thank you very much |
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| 20:04.39 | hoobaman | hi |
| 20:05.03 | hoobaman | is ovs bridge setup (/etc/network/interfaces) broken in stretch since last update? |
| 20:05.18 | mutante | List of rsync mirrors for Debian CD images https://www.debian.org/CD/mirroring/rsync-mirrors |
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| 20:05.26 | mutante | ndiddy: ^ |
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| 20:05.51 | missmbob | mutante: i didnt think any of them kept testing image ? |
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| 20:06.05 | ndiddy | ^ |
| 20:06.16 | mutante | ugh.. ok.. tried |
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| 20:06.30 | ndiddy | any idea when cdimage will be back up |
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| 20:10.46 | ndiddy | whatever, i'll try the mini.iso and see if it works with my laptop's wifi card (nobody supports the intel pro/2200bg that well these days) |
| 20:11.09 | missmbob | ndiddy: stable images wont help you? |
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| 20:11.54 | ndiddy | i guess i could always do that and upgrade, but it's a pita |
| 20:12.06 | missmbob | that's what i'd try. *shrug* |
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| 20:13.27 | mutante | you can get the nonfree wifi driver separately and put it on flash drive |
| 20:13.41 | mutante | if mini.iso doesnt get you nonfree i mean |
| 20:13.55 | mutante | did a similar thing just recently |
| 20:14.17 | ndiddy | i know about that stuff |
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| 20:18.37 | hoobaman | seems like the systemd-sysv-generator is screw the service unit |
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| 20:19.58 | hoobaman | suddenly after update unable to boot ovs in stretch :/ |
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| 20:32.44 | tobiasBora | Hello, |
| 20:33.29 | tobiasBora | I'm trying to install debian using the net install version. However it fails near the end of the base system install. |
| 20:33.35 | tobiasBora | Here are the logs : http://pastebin.com/Y7bDTnP0 |
| 20:33.55 | tobiasBora | There are several errors so I don't know which one is the one that fails |
| 20:34.08 | tobiasBora | I can read "lilo-installer: LILO not usable on EFI PCs without BIOS compatibility; use grub-efi" |
| 20:34.25 | tobiasBora | ==> Why does it install LILO and not Grub ? |
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| 20:35.09 | tobiasBora | I also have error "error: the command 'validlocale' is not available" |
| 20:35.33 | JPT | You're using the debian stable netinstall image, right? |
| 20:35.36 | JPT | (just making sure) |
| 20:36.19 | tobiasBora | JPT: Yes, I'm running debian-8.7.1-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 20:36.53 | SynrG | did you mangle it by using some tool to write to USB instead of a raw image copy? |
| 20:37.32 | tobiasBora | SynrG: I used "dd if=... of=..." |
| 20:37.33 | SynrG | eg unetbootin and the like |
| 20:38.25 | hoobaman | join #debian-networking |
| 20:38.27 | tobiasBora | I don't know if it matters but I was using 4 LVM partition (I did that for the last debian installed I did, and I didn't have any problem) |
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| 20:39.44 | SynrG | i see. well, perhaps that's related somehow but I'm not sure exactly how |
| 20:39.58 | tobiasBora | #debian-networking doesn't appears for me in freenode or in irc.debian.org |
| 20:40.59 | SynrG | don't think that was a helper |
| 20:41.06 | tobiasBora | The thing is that it manages to install most of the staff, it only fails at around 90% I would say |
| 20:41.12 | Vizva | <tobiasBora> you did choose lilo |
| 20:41.18 | Vizva | why dont choose grub? |
| 20:41.43 | tobiasBora | Vizva: I don't remember me to choose lilo... When would I have do such a thing ? |
| 20:42.15 | Vizva | Feb 7 19:40:45 lilo-installer: LILO not usable on EFI PCs without BIOS compatibility; use grub-efi |
| 20:42.22 | Vizva | or it was a basic info |
| 20:42.42 | Vizva | some bios you can use bios grub |
| 20:42.50 | Vizva | but you have to nable in bios |
| 20:42.53 | Vizva | enable |
| 20:43.01 | Vizva | or you can enable efi |
| 20:43.01 | tobiasBora | What ? |
| 20:43.10 | tobiasBora | My grub is reunning UEFI |
| 20:43.20 | tobiasBora | and I started debian from the UEFI menu |
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| 20:43.52 | Vizva | so why does it complain about ? |
| 20:44.22 | tobiasBora | I don't know. Is there a thing to do to say "I want to use grub instead of lilo" ? |
| 20:44.53 | tobiasBora | Or maybe there is a thing to check during the manual formating explanning that I want to use grub ? |
| 20:45.09 | Vizva | could be a basic info |
| 20:45.12 | tobiasBora | If any of these are present I may miss them indeed |
| 20:45.13 | greycat | When you get an error it should put you back at the main menu. From there, you should be able to choose things like "Partition disk" or "Install GRUB". |
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| 20:45.36 | tobiasBora | greycat: Yeah, I was able to partition again. |
| 20:45.43 | greycat | If you have an EFI box and you did manual formatting and you did NOT create en EFI partition, well, that would be a problem. |
| 20:45.44 | tobiasBora | And I tried twice with no solution |
| 20:45.57 | tobiasBora | greycat: Hum... |
| 20:46.03 | Vizva | or your dvd is corrupt |
| 20:46.15 | Vizva | or whatever medium you use |
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| 20:46.21 | tobiasBora | Vizva: It's a freshly installed usb |
| 20:46.28 | Vizva | couldnt install a program and fail |
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| 20:47.26 | tobiasBora | greycat: Isn't debian supposed to detect alone the efi partition ? I'll try again to see if it works better |
| 20:48.12 | greycat | If you do manual formatting, you are in complete control. |
| 20:48.24 | tobiasBora | By the way, is base-installer: apt-install or in-target is already running, so you cannot run either of them again until the other instance finishes. You may be able to use 'chroot /target ...' instead. Unexpected error; command not executed: 'sh -c debconf-apt-progress --no-progress --logstderr -- apt-get -q -y --no-remove install busybox' |
| 20:48.33 | tobiasBora | linked to this error or not ? |
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| 20:48.59 | tobiasBora | greycat: I don't rememeber that I needed to specify it last time I installed debian, I will try it |
| 20:49.29 | Vizva | you did run commands in aniother terminal? |
| 20:50.15 | Vizva | tobiasBora open another terminal ? |
| 20:50.39 | tobiasBora | Vizva: no |
| 20:51.24 | Vizva | Feb 7 19:38:52 base-installer: apt-install or in-target is already running, so you cannot run either of |
| 20:51.52 | Vizva | there it start with all the problems |
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| 20:54.00 | luna__ | pimped the box with stuff for mom: https://i.imgur.com/MhY83YP.jpg :D |
| 20:54.26 | Vizva | <tobiasBora> do a fresh install and add lvm later ? |
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| 20:54.50 | Vizva | or only one disk with lvm |
| 20:55.02 | greycat | Why do you put angle brackets around the nick you're trying to ADDRESS? Angle brackets mean you're quoting (copy-pasting) what he actually said. |
| 20:55.28 | Vizva | its my irc program |
| 20:55.35 | Vizva | i should delete it then |
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| 20:56.32 | ndiddy | hey, is there a way to connect to a wifi network while you're installing |
| 20:56.47 | ndiddy | to do a net install or something |
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| 20:57.14 | ndiddy | the installer sees my network but when I try and connect it says "couldn't connect to wpasupplicant" in the logs |
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| 20:58.50 | Vizva | ndiddy i had many years ago |
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| 20:59.26 | Vizva | ndiddy you could try use a mobile connected to usb and this connected to wifi |
| 20:59.49 | Vizva | later the scripts are more powerful |
| 21:00.10 | tobiasBora | greycat: the EFI partition was already selected as the efi partition. |
| 21:00.24 | greycat | So you *do* have one... well, that's good. |
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| 21:01.35 | tobiasBora | Oh yes of course I have one. It is used by windows, fedora, and the old debian version |
| 21:02.09 | tobiasBora | (well by old I mean the unstable version that was completely broken after the Xorg migration) |
| 21:03.43 | tobiasBora | What ??? |
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| 21:04.35 | tobiasBora | I don't understand why but I repeated exactly the same things, but by using the not graphical install instead of the graphical install and it worked ! |
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| 21:04.50 | tobiasBora | Is the graphical install known to be buggy ? |
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| 21:06.41 | Vizva | or in compliance with your hardware it give a failure |
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| 21:06.49 | OerHeks | tobiasBora, depends on the videocard in use, i guess. |
| 21:06.53 | Vizva | example is cpu stalls with nouveau |
| 21:07.21 | greycat | I think very few people here have any experience with the graphical installer. |
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| 21:09.25 | Vizva | no the case for my suggestion is it dont start nouveau ;P |
| 21:09.40 | tobiasBora | It then may be dangerous to propose the use of it ^^ |
| 21:10.29 | Vizva | tobiasBora if your install is complete and run you can forget it |
| 21:10.33 | tobiasBora | Vizva: the thing is that it was displaying averthing nicely. The only problem was the non working mouse :-° |
| 21:10.56 | Vizva | the mouse can produce commands |
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| 21:11.18 | tobiasBora | like apt-get ? |
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| 21:11.48 | tobiasBora | my mouse is a troyan I think ! |
| 21:12.02 | Vizva | you did see it change to another input place? |
| 21:12.11 | paaatrickj | Hi anyone has allreeadyu has a problem with E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 21:12.22 | greycat | paaatrickj: find the *first* error |
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| 21:13.32 | greycat | !msg |
| 21:13.32 | dpkg | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/). |
| 21:13.44 | greycat | What he said to me in /msg was: https://thepasteb.in/p/8qhOD31Rr19I0 |
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| 21:17.14 | greycat | What jessie's elinks says if I try to open that: "SSL error" |
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| 21:17.58 | tobiasBora | Vizva: no it didn't ^^ |
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| 21:36.16 | Unode | hi all, I'm trying out debian stretch on virtualbox. Installed from a netinst cd without problems but now system boots and doesn't show me anything other than the disk being clean |
| 21:36.35 | Unode | is there some tweak that needs to be done for it to work on virtualbox? |
| 21:36.35 | KaffeeJunky123 | cdimage.debian.org seems to be down, are there any mirrors where I can get the stretch RC2 isos? |
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| 21:37.28 | greycat | Why do people keep coming *here* to ask that, instead of asking in one of the stretch or installer channels on OFTC :( |
| 21:37.58 | KaffeeJunky123 | greycat: because I did not know there was a channel for that, I'm sorry |
| 21:37.58 | doubledutch | greycat: Where's an installer channel? |
| 21:38.02 | Unode | greycat: same here |
| 21:38.14 | KaffeeJunky123 | greycat: What's the name of the channel? |
| 21:38.19 | ndiddy | greycat: where do i need to bring my pitchforks now |
| 21:38.21 | greycat | !d-i |
| 21:38.21 | dpkg | Debian 8 "Jessie" is now the "stable" Debian release. See http://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/debian-installer/ for images. Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ . If you want to make custom install CDs, start with d-i. IRC: #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net. See also <errata>, <g-i>. |
| 21:38.36 | greycat | !debian-next |
| 21:38.36 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 21:39.35 | Unode | why the spreading over networks? if I may ask. |
| 21:39.38 | KaffeeJunky123 | greycat: Thanks a bunch |
| 21:39.43 | greycat | !why oftc |
| 21:39.50 | greycat | !oftc move |
| 21:39.50 | dpkg | irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00012.html. Operators and bots (see <fact sharing>) will remain on both networks for the foreseeable future; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on Freenode. Questions? Ask in #debian on one or other network. See also http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/04/msg00333.html |
| 21:40.05 | KaffeeJunky123 | I must have missed that on the debian page |
| 21:40.31 | n4dir | Unode: you could try to enable PAE/NX, but iirc you wouldn't have been able to use the installer then (either my info is out of date, or you already did it) |
| 21:40.55 | Unode | n4dir: no, the installer worked out of the box (graphical mode). |
| 21:41.06 | Unode | I installed without a desktop manager though. |
| 21:42.48 | n4dir | Unode: so after booting you boot until you get a login ? (well: my only idea was PAE/NX anyway, probably useless if i try to understand the problem) |
| 21:43.52 | Unode | n4dir: yes. I mean the system seems functional. It even responds to ACPI shutdown. But it's like the display isn't updating |
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| 21:44.42 | n4dir | no idea, sorry. |
| 21:44.49 | Unode | n4dir: thanks anyway |
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| 21:48.30 | kexiq | will the fact that a freeze is in play at the moment effect me doing a fresh install of sid? |
| 21:48.41 | greycat | There is no such thing as an install of sid. |
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| 21:48.54 | kexiq | greycat: I mean doing a fresh install, and migrating to sid |
| 21:49.13 | greycat | !slushy |
| 21:49.13 | dpkg | When a <testing> release becomes frozen, <unstable> tends to partially freeze as well. This is because developers are reluctant to upload radically new software to unstable, in case the frozen software in testing needs minor updates and to fix release critical bugs which keep testing from becoming <stable>. |
| 21:49.40 | kexiq | ah great, thanks for the info greycat! Seems best to wait until the freeze is over, then. |
| 21:49.42 | n4dir | i would try an unfresh installation first though. |
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| 21:54.27 | kexiq | n4dir: I would if I had an existing install to try from |
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| 21:55.59 | n4dir | my rather lame joke tried to point out that i got no idea what a fresh installation migh be (compared to an installation). Just ignore |
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| 22:02.00 | kexiq | n4dir: ah gotcha. You're right though, I may as well just have put "installation" |
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| 22:02.37 | Unode | n4dir: seems like it's an issue with newer kernels and older versions of virtualbox. I need to either upgrade virtualbox or install guest addtions. |
| 22:02.44 | tobiasBora | I'm really not lucky with debian : while fedora and ubuntu installed without problem themself in the UEFI part, debian does not installed himself in UEFI, and it removes all the entries from fedora, so now I boot directly on windows |
| 22:02.52 | melodos | hello everyone.. got a small problem with grub2. although it finds my win partition I still can't see it on the grub boot menu. any ideas? |
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| 22:03.28 | n4dir | Unode: ah, thanks for the info, good to know |
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| 22:04.30 | Unode | n4dir: cheers |
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| 22:07.18 | tobiasBora | If someones has some idea, here is my boot report : http://paste2.org/bBLeEJ4y |
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| 22:07.59 | Vizva | tobiasBora uefi is kind of sabotage, i chnage in bios or to uefi depends on what i want to run |
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| 22:08.40 | Vizva | i run windows on it but i dont use linux on uefi |
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| 22:11.33 | Vizva | they know why they like it so much |
| 22:11.53 | tobiasBora | uefi is now the reference. And ubuntu & fedora can deal with it without any problem (even with secure bios using shim) |
| 22:12.07 | Vizva | you have to deal with |
| 22:12.11 | Vizva | not your os |
| 22:12.27 | Vizva | sometimes its unpredictable |
| 22:12.32 | tobiasBora | The install should care about it |
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| 22:13.04 | Vizva | someone change a code and the problem is there |
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| 22:13.25 | Vizva | linux is sometimes a one way road |
| 22:13.39 | Vizva | and then we have to search for other ideas |
| 22:13.58 | tobiasBora | if you need to have 20 years of UEFI practice to be able to install debian, some people could be unable to use it... |
| 22:13.58 | Vizva | you cannot come and say this os can and this cannot |
| 22:14.06 | Vizva | you must to know how to handle it |
| 22:14.14 | tobiasBora | what do you mean ? |
| 22:14.20 | Vizva | it can happen |
| 22:14.30 | tobiasBora | what can happen ? |
| 22:14.38 | Vizva | simply "it can happen sometimes" that a thing dont work for you |
| 22:15.05 | Vizva | therefore we do search then for other solutions |
| 22:15.33 | Vizva | and you have this on microsoft too for example |
| 22:15.54 | Vizva | but there are no other solutions and peoples buy a new pc ;) |
| 22:17.02 | tobiasBora | I don't follow you sorry. What can happen sometimes ? |
| 22:17.03 | Vizva | and then it depends who sit there and do all the things need to do |
| 22:17.19 | Vizva | you cannot guide every problem |
| 22:17.31 | Vizva | we help you if we can |
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| 22:17.54 | tobiasBora | I understand it's hard to deal with every problem yes |
| 22:17.57 | Vizva | but we dont sit there with you |
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| 22:18.08 | Vizva | thats the base problem |
| 22:19.12 | Vizva | i think there is the way to do it |
| 22:19.26 | Vizva | for you |
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| 22:20.31 | Vizva | for me i would try install it with bios and later if i dont need it much install another system to uefi to elaborate |
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| 22:22.30 | Vizva | tobiasBora you have another system using uefi there? |
| 22:22.33 | kexiq | is cdimage.debian.org down for anyone else? |
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| 22:23.01 | Vizva | then its a chance to bring everything down - thats a big problem to deal with the other failures |
| 22:24.11 | Vizva | kexiq ican open it and i think someone , maybe you ask this before |
| 22:24.26 | kexiq | yeah Vizva it seems to resolve fine now, ty though! |
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| 22:29.24 | Vizva | tobiasBora one idea - dpont use boot - repair better do a new install |
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| 22:32.05 | Vizva | i remember some boot repair isnt this a package outside debian? |
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| 23:08.50 | eb0t | test |
| 23:09.02 | eb0t | hey i have gnome installed and i cant see a sound device |
| 23:09.06 | eb0t | i have no sound |
| 23:09.11 | ksk | Hey. I am looking for a web based software to visualize and intract with serveral data types, like for example a list or an array. Like: what phpmyadmin is for mysql but more general and not mysql? hope you get what I mean. |
| 23:09.12 | eb0t | any troubleshooting ideas |
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| 23:09.15 | ksk | hello eb0t |
| 23:10.09 | eb0t | gnome volume is up |
| 23:10.16 | eb0t | speakers work on other systemd |
| 23:10.21 | eb0t | speakers plugged in |
| 23:10.27 | ksk | I am not into desktop, but., |
| 23:10.33 | eb0t | lspci -v shows using intel driver |
| 23:10.43 | ksk | !tell eb0t about alsa checklist |
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| 23:10.59 | eb0t | ah sounds great ksk |
| 23:11.15 | eb0t | i cant see it though in my weechat |
| 23:11.19 | eb0t | ah found it |
| 23:11.35 | tomcres | I had a similar problem. I had to rm -rf ~/.config/pulseaudio then pulseaudio --kill and pulseaudio --start |
| 23:11.36 | ksk | eb0t: also, if you google for something like "ubuntuusers sound troubleshooting" you would and up in "that one forum" which was kind of nice. |
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| 23:11.58 | ksk | s/and up/end up |
| 23:12.22 | ksk | oh nevermind, that was in german language |
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| 23:13.40 | eb0t | ah thanks ksk |
| 23:14.18 | eb0t | ah tomcres....i still dont understand the difference between pulse audio and alsa |
| 23:14.25 | eb0t | its rocket science basically |
| 23:14.51 | eb0t | if you have alsa sound why do you need pulse audio ..and there is something called jack ..what is jack about |
| 23:17.37 | tomcres | Jack is like pulseaudio, but lower latency and more geared towards professional audio whereas pulseaudio is geared towards desktop use. |
| 23:18.16 | eb0t | yes but tomcres...how does alsa tie into all that |
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| 23:18.29 | eb0t | can you run jack and pulseaudio without alsa |
| 23:18.48 | bazhang | no |
| 23:19.04 | bazhang | eb0t, pulse is not a replacement for alsa |
| 23:19.15 | eb0t | so why not forget jack ...forget pulseaudio and just run alsa |
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| 23:19.35 | tomcres | alsa is the low level sound driver that interfaces directly with the hardware. It's part of the kernel |
| 23:19.55 | bazhang | eb0t, did you have an actual support issue, or is this rhetorical |
| 23:20.08 | eb0t | ah right no i have a support issue ...i have zero sound |
| 23:20.18 | eb0t | and im getting confused |
| 23:20.30 | tomcres | You can use just alsa without a sound server, but you lose certain benefits like on the fly redirection of sound output |
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| 23:20.37 | bazhang | eb0t, can you run alsamixer in terminal |
| 23:20.55 | eb0t | im trying to run in terminal ..just reinstalling it |
| 23:21.00 | eb0t | well alsa-utils |
| 23:21.48 | eb0t | im going to have a good mess around and see what happens once it is installed. |
| 23:22.05 | eb0t | thanks tomcres and bazhang |
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| 23:24.54 | Diogenes_ | Good night. |
| 23:25.04 | bazhang | np |
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| 23:25.40 | Diogenes_ | I'm trying to create an external HD with a bootable drive to install debian plus an encripted LVM storage. |
| 23:26.26 | Diogenes_ | I have this 1TB drive, which I belive I could partition 2GB for the installer and the rest for the encripted storage. |
| 23:27.18 | Diogenes_ | I created the bootable instaler using the "Restore Disk Image" function in GNOME's disk utility. |
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| 23:28.05 | Diogenes_ | As for the reminder of the free space, when I try to format it as a LVM volume, I get the following error message... |
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| 23:29.58 | Diogenes_ | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/6b965783/ |
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| 23:30.45 | Diogenes_ | When I start GParted, I get something similar, "The driver descriptor says the physical block size is 2048 bytes, but Linux says it is 512 bytes." |
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| 23:32.21 | Diogenes_ | Gentleman, how should I respond to these error messages? |
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| 23:32.52 | bazhang | Diogenes_, using a one terabyte as an installer? |
| 23:33.29 | Diogenes_ | Yeah, I would like to partition it, so that I could use the remaining space. |
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| 23:34.38 | bazhang | Diogenes_, is there some reason not to go for either the net install, or use a usb stick with persistence for this instead |
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| 23:39.28 | Diogenes_ | Sure, I could make an USB with a net install. It's just that this external HD is going to store my system's backup. I figured It would be uch more straightfoward putting an installer and its respective recovery files in the same media. |
| 23:39.36 | Diogenes_ | Would that be possible? |
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