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| 00:03.11 | C67 | I just installed xen and X will not come up, just black screen ( also used nomodeset in option in grub and still no go ) |
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| 00:07.01 | tobiasBora | Hello, |
| 00:07.23 | tobiasBora | I would like to know, is it normal if I cannot update on testing and sid because of the error: |
| 00:07.25 | tobiasBora | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:08.01 | tobiasBora | *systemd: Broke rdnssd (< 1.0.1-5) but 1.0.1-1+b1 should be installed |
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| 00:50.16 | Igel | hello |
| 00:50.21 | Igel | time sync |
| 00:50.21 | Igel | real3m40.382s |
| 00:50.27 | Igel | what do? |
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| 00:53.22 | somiaj | tobiasBora: give us the info the bot asks for |
| 00:53.23 | somiaj | !bat |
| 00:53.23 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 00:53.45 | somiaj | tobiasBora: also put LANG=C at the start of each command you run so the output is in english |
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| 02:47.40 | d--- | debian-stretch-DI-rc2-amd64-DVD-1.iso |
| 02:47.46 | d--- | what does DI stand for? |
| 02:47.50 | d--- | obviously rc2 is release candidate 2 |
| 02:48.02 | missmbob | debian installer |
| 02:48.05 | d--- | thank you :) |
| 02:48.41 | dvs | do it! |
| 02:49.26 | d--- | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoqDYcCDOTg |
| 02:49.29 | d--- | do itttt |
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| 03:01.26 | efloid | anyone know if nextcloud will be in stretch? |
| 03:02.06 | brizz | im trying to setup a cheap asus laptop (553s) to have debian be main os |
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| 03:02.23 | efloid | guess not becuase i don't see it even in unstable :-( |
| 03:03.11 | brizz | i want to extend hdmi to a laptop monitor...and trying to extend |
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| 03:03.18 | somiaj | efloid: is there a package for it now? |
| 03:03.34 | somiaj | stretch is frozen, if a package is not in stretch, it will not be in stretch. |
| 03:03.49 | somiaj | brizz: look at xrandr |
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| 03:07.12 | efloid | somiaj: unfortunately not |
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| 03:08.42 | efloid | somiaj: maybe the responsibility of freezing the release and being responsible for maintaining security & critical updates for it over the lifetime of stretch is too much, so instead just install from source |
| 03:09.39 | efloid | they focus their energy on maintaining the current release |
| 03:09.59 | somiaj | yea sometimes packages don't get into debian because there is no one who will matain the version that gets frozen in debian |
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| 03:15.09 | tomcres1 | ,i dfm |
| 03:15.10 | judd | No package named 'dfm' was found in jessie/amd64. |
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| 03:18.44 | jak2000 | hi all |
| 03:19.12 | somiaj | hi |
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| 03:27.18 | racecardad | Hello, I have a script that I run in cron every minute. However for some reason it's not running the script. It works if I manually run the script in shell but the cron for some reason isn't running it. I checked syslog and see that it's been run. No errors. |
| 03:27.39 | somiaj | racecardad: what is the command you put in the crontab? |
| 03:28.28 | somiaj | racecardad: or maybe share the script. It could be the enviorment used by Cron is not the same as the one you are testing the script in causing it to not work the same. |
| 03:28.34 | racecardad | * * * * * /home/run/script.sh >/dev/null 2>&1 |
| 03:29.03 | missmbob | racecardad: does the command need to do anything in x? |
| 03:29.14 | somiaj | what makes you think the script fails? You pip all errors and output to /dev/null so it isn't suprising you don't see any output in syslog |
| 03:29.42 | dvs | isnt there suppose to be a user id on that line? |
| 03:29.54 | racecardad | you are right. i totally forgot about that. |
| 03:29.59 | racecardad | let me run it and log |
| 03:30.03 | dvs | !prize me |
| 03:30.03 | dpkg | gives dvs a medal. |
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| 03:32.52 | racecardad | log appears to show line 13: livestreamer: command not found |
| 03:33.26 | racecardad | livestreamer is installed though |
| 03:33.33 | racecardad | unless i am calling it in the bash script wrong |
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| 03:34.09 | tomcres1 | It could be that PATH is different in cron's environment |
| 03:34.40 | tomcres1 | Try setting PATH explicitly in the crontab |
| 03:34.43 | dvs | I don't think there is a PATH in a cron environment |
| 03:36.01 | somiaj | I think you have to either set it in the script or use absolute paths |
| 03:36.16 | racecardad | yes that fixed it |
| 03:36.21 | racecardad | whereis livestreamer /usr/local/bin/livestreamer |
| 03:36.36 | racecardad | i wasnt aware of calling it directly. |
| 03:36.43 | racecardad | makes sense though. thanks for the help guys. |
| 03:36.49 | dvs | yay |
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| 03:41.03 | foul_owl | Does anyone use the mx repos as backports? Just for newer versions of packages? Are they safe to use? |
| 03:41.41 | missmbob | !dont break debian |
| 03:41.41 | dpkg | from memory, dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
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| 03:42.23 | missmbob | !tell foul_owl about frankendebian |
| 03:42.35 | foul_owl | Hmmm, my issue is that I need a new version of thunar |
| 03:42.48 | foul_owl | Because the current version is buggy. The screen doesn't redraw randomly |
| 03:44.13 | dvs | ,v thunar |
| 03:44.14 | judd | Package: thunar on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.2.3-4+b1; jessie: 1.6.3-2; stretch: 1.6.10-4; sid: 1.6.10-4 |
| 03:44.30 | foul_owl | When a package is buggy, should I try a newer version first or should I file a bug report? |
| 03:45.01 | foul_owl | Sounds like the later, since that link is telling me not to try compiling things from source or making a frankendebian :P |
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| 03:46.19 | dvs | foul_owl, you can try and backport a newer version |
| 03:46.26 | dvs | !tell foul_owl about ssd |
| 03:46.33 | dvs | !tell foul_owl about ssb |
| 03:46.54 | foul_owl | Ooo self backporting eh? |
| 03:47.16 | dvs | if you gotta have it, that's the way to go. |
| 03:48.08 | somiaj | foul_owl: what version of debian are you running? |
| 03:49.29 | foul_owl | 8 |
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| 03:50.47 | somiaj | foul_owl: you may have to compile a newer version then. |
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| 03:51.37 | foul_owl | If I take the self backport route, would it be useful if I hosted those debs somewhere? Say on aws? I wouldn't mind paying for it if other folks could use it |
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| 03:51.56 | foul_owl | Or is it just something no one would ever use do you think? |
| 03:52.02 | foul_owl | Or encouraging bad practice? |
| 03:52.20 | somiaj | if you like, though most here advise against using third party untrusted .deb's but it happens |
| 03:52.39 | somiaj | and as for your bug, are you sure there is no workaround except for a newer version? |
| 03:53.07 | foul_owl | I'm not really sure. Basically what happens is the thunar window freezes |
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| 03:53.21 | foul_owl | I can still use the keyboard shortcuts so the actaully process is still responding |
| 03:53.38 | foul_owl | But it appears the window redraw function never executes again |
| 03:53.56 | somiaj | and you are sure the bug is with thunar? |
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| 03:55.17 | foul_owl | No other x window has this issue |
| 03:55.30 | foul_owl | Technically I do not know for certain |
| 03:56.26 | foul_owl | Let me try compiling a new version |
| 03:56.29 | somiaj | anyways compiling a newer version is one thing to check, you can also check old bugreports to see if anyone else has this problem |
| 03:56.36 | foul_owl | Thank you! |
| 03:56.53 | foul_owl | That "don't break debian" link is really good to know |
| 03:59.00 | unborn | !tell unborn about ssd |
| 03:59.21 | somiaj | !tell unborn about self tell |
| 03:59.24 | somiaj | unborn: also it is ssb |
| 04:00.03 | unborn | oh |
| 04:00.11 | unborn | didnt know I can pm bot. thanks |
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| 04:03.12 | foul_owl | I have one more quick question |
| 04:03.19 | dvs | no! ;-) |
| 04:03.29 | foul_owl | firefox is able to have full control over my cpu, even if I renice it |
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| 04:04.43 | foul_owl | Giving it a nice value of 19 doesn't help |
| 04:04.51 | foul_owl | It can still bring my entire system to a screaming halt |
| 04:04.59 | foul_owl | Requires pressing the reset button |
| 04:05.06 | foul_owl | No other process on my system can do this |
| 04:05.08 | somiaj | are you running this as root? |
| 04:05.20 | foul_owl | running renice as root |
| 04:05.24 | somiaj | sounds like you have something wrong with your system or just xorg? |
| 04:05.24 | foul_owl | Not running firefox as root |
| 04:05.50 | somiaj | if thunar and firefox are causing such problems, I don't think the issue is with either firefox or tunar |
| 04:05.51 | foul_owl | In the past I have seen messages about soft lockup, cpu stuck for 10-20 seconds |
| 04:06.00 | foul_owl | thunar is an entirely different issue |
| 04:06.09 | foul_owl | It still responds, I have checked with strace |
| 04:06.14 | foul_owl | It just doesn't redraw the window |
| 04:06.38 | foul_owl | firefox is a different issue, it causes my entire system to hang |
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| 04:06.48 | somiaj | I think they are related, these bugs are not normal for users of jessie. |
| 04:07.09 | foul_owl | Hmmm |
| 04:07.30 | somiaj | they sound hardware/driver related |
| 04:07.34 | somiaj | maybe i/o related. |
| 04:07.52 | foul_owl | mcelog doesn't report any errors |
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| 04:08.12 | foul_owl | Are there any other places to check for hw errors? |
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| 04:08.40 | foul_owl | (mcelog daemon is running of course) |
| 04:09.21 | somiaj | I look at the output of dmesg, I would run an ssh server and see if you can ssh in when it locks up, that means xorg is crashing, which it could be firefox crashes xorg, while thunar just causes it to not redraw |
| 04:09.45 | foul_owl | When firefox locks the system, I can't ssh in |
| 04:09.57 | foul_owl | When thunar messes up, all I have to do is restart thunar |
| 04:10.12 | foul_owl | Also when firefox locks the system, the numlock key stops responding also |
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| 04:10.35 | somiaj | when xorg goes, it will take the keyboard/video with it, but the system may still be running |
| 04:10.52 | somiaj | I had an old gpu that use to crash/lock up, xorg would die. Replaced the gpu, everything worked fine. |
| 04:10.53 | foul_owl | Ah ok xorg can take the keyboard with it |
| 04:11.02 | somiaj | I could also ssh into the system to restart it. |
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| 04:11.33 | foul_owl | I have seen xorg taking up a very high number of cycles in top |
| 04:11.54 | foul_owl | Could be a bug in xorg perhaps? |
| 04:12.38 | somiaj | it is most likely hardware from what you have described (or drivers) |
| 04:13.55 | foul_owl | All my hw has been purchased recently, video card is a 1060 gtx |
| 04:14.14 | foul_owl | Is there a way I can detect errors in ram, mobo, proc, or video card? |
| 04:14.17 | somiaj | could be drivers? |
| 04:14.27 | somiaj | what kernel and driver are you using for that card? |
| 04:14.40 | foul_owl | 3.16.0-4-amd64 |
| 04:14.54 | foul_owl | 367.44 |
| 04:15.25 | dvs | yeah, the kernel is older than the video card. |
| 04:15.41 | somiaj | ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 04:15.42 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 304.131-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.101-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.101-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 375.26-1~bpo8+1; sid/non-free: 375.26-2; stretch/non-free: 375.26-2 |
| 04:16.03 | somiaj | foul_owl: how did you install those 367.44 drivers? |
| 04:16.49 | foul_owl | https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Version_367.44_.28via_jessie-backports.29 |
| 04:17.45 | foul_owl | I thought the driver built a module for my kernel |
| 04:18.01 | somiaj | okay, just making sure you didn't get them from nvidia.com directly |
| 04:18.10 | foul_owl | Gotcha |
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| 04:18.27 | kevdude | hi |
| 04:18.29 | foul_owl | Should I upgrade my kernel? |
| 04:18.45 | somiaj | anyways I would try the 4.9 kernel from jessie-backports over the default 3.16 card and upgrade to the newest 375.26 drivers from jessie-backports and see if this helps. It could be the drivers are just crashing on that newer card with an older kernel. |
| 04:19.07 | foul_owl | Is it safe to use the kernel from backports? ie, it's not like a bleeding edge thing? |
| 04:19.11 | somiaj | foul_owl: also being non-free drivers, it can be hard to debug/report bugs. I had a nvidia card that did strange things. |
| 04:19.30 | foul_owl | Thank you for all the help!! |
| 04:19.35 | somiaj | foul_owl: it is built for jessie and will run just fine. The old 3.16 kernel will still be installed and you can use that. So it won't break things, but it isn't as 'well tested' |
| 04:19.43 | foul_owl | Ah ok I see |
| 04:19.45 | foul_owl | Awesome |
| 04:19.51 | foul_owl | Thanks again |
| 04:19.55 | somiaj | !bpo kernel |
| 04:19.55 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'». |
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| 04:31.46 | yousuc | how come debian 9 still has partial systemd support and not full, why keep using sysv, cron, and grub |
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| 04:32.19 | somiaj | yousuc: debian has had full systemd support since debian 8 |
| 04:32.38 | somiaj | oh you mean not using bootctrl and such, I think these are there, just not default. |
| 04:32.57 | yousuc | why keep using sysv calls? |
| 04:33.12 | brennen | because change takes time. |
| 04:33.31 | somiaj | debian plans to support multiple init systems for the forseeable future, so not only would they need to be changed, a system would have to be in place to use either depending on the init system. |
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| 04:34.06 | yousuc | mainly an arch user, but i played around a little bit with rc2 |
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| 04:35.14 | yousuc | rc2 isnt bad, but i was hoping to see more systemd |
| 04:35.21 | yousuc | and less of sysv etc.. |
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| 04:36.44 | yousuc | dunno about supporting multiple init systems |
| 04:37.00 | yousuc | i know systemd haters going to hate |
| 04:37.15 | yousuc | reminds me of democrats... |
| 04:37.53 | brennen | troll harder. |
| 04:38.23 | yousuc | since when is giving some feedback trolling? |
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| 04:42.02 | somiaj | yousuc: Debian supports a lot of stuff, to give the users the choice of what they want to use. Supporting different init systems is just fine provided they can keep the support up. which means some defaults are made to support both. You can use bootctl and other newer features in systemd if you want, you just have to configure them. |
| 04:42.18 | somiaj | debian also still supports lilo |
| 04:42.54 | yousuc | somiaj i hear yah |
| 04:43.12 | somiaj | it does try to live up to the universial operating system. |
| 04:43.44 | somiaj | also does bootctl (previousally gumiboot) work for non-efi systems? |
| 04:44.18 | yousuc | no that it does not, but eventually we have to stop supporting older stuff eventually |
| 04:44.55 | yousuc | not everyone can buy the latest and greatest yet |
| 04:45.30 | somiaj | sure, but no reason to just throw out old support until the time of the developers is not worth it. |
| 04:45.33 | yousuc | i remember the good ol days with lilo back in the 80s |
| 04:45.58 | somiaj | debian has slowly droped for support for 386 and 486 over the years but sill supports 586 for example |
| 04:47.05 | somiaj | anyways, just because something is not default in debian doens't mean it isn't there. The expert installer gives you a little more control, and you can always do a manual install with deboostrap and use bootctl from the start. |
| 04:47.20 | yousuc | another growing trend is stateless |
| 04:47.38 | yousuc | but can save that for a later discussion |
| 04:49.04 | somiaj | Debian's goal is a diverse frozen system, so it stays behind the trends. |
| 04:49.44 | brennen | a good way to avoid being destroyed by the trends, as it turns out. |
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| 04:49.50 | yousuc | yeah i noticed, i play around with other distros once and awhile |
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| 04:50.32 | yousuc | but i support alot of ubuntu and arch servers |
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| 04:51.23 | brennen | i've been contemplating a dive back into arch |
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| 04:52.19 | brennen | it's an appealing system in a bunch of ways, but i always wind up back in an environment where i don't have to configure everydamnthing. |
| 04:52.34 | yousuc | arch is my main os i use, but when i get bored i try others like debian, solus, clearlinux |
| 04:52.35 | brennen | sure do piggyback on archwiki a lot, though. |
| 04:52.55 | yousuc | and then usually revert back to arch |
| 04:52.58 | yousuc | lol |
| 04:53.20 | yousuc | but each distro has its on + and -'s |
| 04:53.35 | yousuc | i wont knock a particular distro |
| 04:54.02 | yousuc | arch does have a very good wiki section |
| 04:57.15 | somiaj | we should try not to spend to much time talking about arch, this is #debian |
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| 04:59.54 | yousuc | yeah i agree, and off topic a little |
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| 05:06.30 | sosueme | *test |
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| 05:32.38 | cracker | cc |
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| 05:33.01 | cracker | card |
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| 05:41.02 | ImUs3r | how can i install vmware tool on debian? |
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| 05:47.49 | tacocat | ImUs3r: install the open-vm-tools-desktop package |
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| 05:48.28 | ImUs3r | install the open-vm-tools-desktop package vs install the open-vm-tools-desktop, which is correct? tacocat ? |
| 05:48.56 | tacocat | what? |
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| 05:49.17 | ImUs3r | install the open-vm-tools-desktop package <ââ i must add âpackageâ ? |
| 05:49.22 | tacocat | no |
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| 05:49.28 | tacocat | something like "apt-get install open-vm-tools-desktop" should work |
| 05:49.38 | ImUs3r | oh thanks |
| 05:49.53 | tacocat | if you prefer synaptic, aptitude, or any other frontend, you can use those too |
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| 05:56.37 | ImUs3r | Error when getting information for file â//tmp/VMwareDnD/ <ââ tacocat whatâs wrong? |
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| 06:03.27 | tacocat | i'm not too familiar with vmware unfortunately :( |
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| 06:17.57 | ImUs3r | ok thanks tacocat :) |
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| 08:11.59 | tdn | I am trying to use logwatch and customize it as described in README.debian, however, when I disable some of the service modules in /etc/logwatch/logwatch.conf, they are still included in the run. So it appears that nothing I put in logwatch.conf has any effect. My logwatch.conf is here: http://paste.yt/p5224.html How do I make my custom logwatch.conf actually take effect? |
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| 08:26.19 | haba713 | hi! which package should be installed to handle apt: urls in iceweasel / firefox? the packages mentioned in https://wiki.debian.org/AptProtocol#Package_providing_apt:.2F.2F_Protocol does not exist |
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| 08:39.44 | at0m|c | ,v aptlinex |
| 08:39.45 | judd | No package named 'aptlinex' was found in amd64. |
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| 08:56.00 | haba713 | at0m|c: apt-get install aptlinex => E: Unable to locate package aptlinex |
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| 09:08.09 | no_gravity | I kind of figured it out: In screen, I only have 16 colors. Putting this in my bashrc fixes it: "TERM=xterm-256color". Is it a good idea to do that? |
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| 09:10.25 | jelly | no_gravity: in stretch, there's a /usr/share/terminfo/s/screen.xterm-256color definition |
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| 09:11.41 | at0m|c | haba713: right, cos there's no such package available, see what judd replied |
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| 10:14.15 | _Nox | morning all |
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| 10:25.02 | jawr | hey, so stretch has removed mysql. is there any docu on this, i only found one mailing list that briefly mentioned security issues? also how come it still seems to be in sid? |
| 10:25.41 | petn-randall | !debian-next |
| 10:25.42 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 10:25.54 | dka | http://codepen.io/anon/pen/wgEymw <= can anyone help me get the correct values ? |
| 10:25.58 | petn-randall | jawr: Let's move the discussion to the right channel. ^^^ See you there. |
| 10:26.00 | jawr | thanks petn-randall |
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| 10:26.55 | jawr | wait, i cant join and not sure i understand `it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.` |
| 10:27.07 | jawr | oh |
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| 10:27.24 | petn-randall | :) |
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| 10:27.51 | petn-randall | dka: You'll probably have better luck asking in a JS channel. |
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| 10:28.28 | babilen | jawr: fwiw, you might want to take a look at MariaDB |
| 10:28.59 | jawr | mysql-client is a dependency for dbd::mysql unfortunately |
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| 10:29.57 | dka | petn-randall, it's a generic math question |
| 10:30.28 | petn-randall | dka: How is that related to Debian though? |
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| 10:30.41 | bazhang | ##maths ? |
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| 10:38.13 | vinalencc | Hello, guys! How are you? I'd like to ask something, but I'm not sure if this is the right channel to ask about it. Can I ask it anyway? |
| 10:38.36 | bazhang | debian support? |
| 10:38.40 | petn-randall | vinalencc: Feel free to ask, and we might redirect you to the right channel. |
| 10:39.35 | vinalencc | OK, I want to know about LAN devices and virtual LAN, like eth0 and eth0:0. Where can I ask about it? |
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| 10:40.34 | petn-randall | vinalencc: Probably ##networking is a good start, but you should probably have the basics already covered from e.g. Wikipedia. |
| 10:40.51 | vinalencc | petn-randall: OK, thanks mate! |
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| 10:43.12 | dka | petn-randall, because I am trying to make the calcul on debian |
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| 10:43.25 | dka | xD |
| 10:43.27 | dka | Ok |
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| 10:45.09 | petn-randall | dka: Also it looks a lot like a homework assignment to me .... |
| 10:45.45 | dka | petn-randall, to me it look like I just can't do it without help |
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| 10:51.56 | gavit | if one sees a mac address on the switch, but mii-tool indicates no tranceiver present, and I cant ping is this a driver issue? |
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| 10:52.34 | petn-randall | gavit: Could also be a hardware defect (especially the cabling). |
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| 10:55.50 | Hanonim | Hi folks ! |
| 10:56.17 | Hanonim | I'm wondering if it is safe to remove perl and python for creating a very minimal setup |
| 10:56.53 | bazhang | Hanonim, the net install? |
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| 10:57.27 | Hanonim | bazhang: Actually it's raspbian lite, but as itis basically debian, here i am |
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| 10:57.46 | bazhang | Hanonim, #raspbian then |
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| 10:57.57 | bazhang | debian does not support that |
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| 10:58.13 | Hanonim | bazhang: i went there but didn't get a proper answer, i thought i might try here :) |
| 10:58.14 | Iridos | and it's probably not safe |
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| 10:58.46 | Iridos | dpkg, essential |
| 10:58.46 | dpkg | Packages that are assumed to be available on your machine and as such are not included in the list of dependencies for packages. Essential packages must be usable at all times even when packages are unconfigured. See <policy> section 3.8 for details; list them with "aptitude search ~E" (see <aptitude search>). |
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| 10:59.39 | Hanonim | thanks ! |
| 10:59.46 | Iridos | ⦠or even possible⦠perl-base is essential and I don't think you even *can* uninstall it |
| 11:00.36 | Iridos | btw. I heard a lot of people run stock-debian on the pi with just the kernel from raspian |
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| 11:00.53 | Hanonim | yes and trying to purge python tells me it will install other python3 stuff |
| 11:02.11 | at0m|c | Iridos: that's ineed what i'm running on any pi above rpi1 |
| 11:02.31 | SynrG | Hanonim: after a while dealing with "minimal" configurations of debian (on an underpowered netbook) i learned that what mostly drives this is having bought pathetic hardware and wanting to make it do more than it is capable of ... |
| 11:02.31 | at0m|c | changing the sources.list during install to debian repo's |
| 11:02.47 | SynrG | Hanonim: the solution seems to be to throw away your crappy hardware and buy something decent instead ;) |
| 11:03.01 | Iridos | dpkg, minimal system |
| 11:03.02 | dpkg | i don't know, Iridos |
| 11:03.03 | Iridos | pft |
| 11:03.09 | Iridos | dpkg, minimal install |
| 11:03.09 | dpkg | See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s04 for required/recommended disk space. Debian keeps the base install relatively small for both hardware requirements and flexibility. As a consequence half the people are surprised that basic tools (like bzip2) are not "default" and half think that the existing base install contains too much (cron, python, ...). Also see <emdebian> <base install> <standard task>. |
| 11:03.10 | SynrG | (or rather, the time spent trying to achieve such a minimal setup never seemed to be recouped in benefit received from it) |
| 11:03.16 | at0m|c | SynrG: as if rpi's aren't good capable of running python and/or perl :p |
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| 11:03.43 | Hanonim | SynrG: it's just i plan to use RPIs for iot, so removing powerful but unnecessary tools like python or perl might have been a good idea |
| 11:03.44 | Iridos | at0m|c, maybe they're no parselmouth ^ ^ |
| 11:04.12 | themill | yeah, it's really important to maximise unused space on the SD card⦠|
| 11:04.16 | at0m|c | Hanonim: running a pretty minimal install on just above half a GB. why would you want these packages removed? |
| 11:04.35 | Iridos | 640K should be enough!! |
| 11:04.43 | at0m|c | ... for everything, ever! |
| 11:04.46 | SynrG | shut up, bill |
| 11:04.58 | Iridos | he actually never said that⦠|
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| 11:07.00 | Hanonim | at0m|c: well, i'm thinking about security. but then, if someone gets access, he will easily install whatever he needs, so i'm probably overthinking |
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| 11:07.52 | at0m|c | Hanonim: least on rpi1, using 'big' SD card, you could floppy-style set the hardware to read-only |
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| 11:08.27 | Hanonim | at0m|c: but then my programs won't be able to write even a single file |
| 11:09.46 | SynrG | if you want to lovingly handcraft a truly minimal solution, you should probably build a distro from scratch anyway ... but we've veered waay OT :) |
| 11:10.20 | boxrick1 | On CentOS after installing the OS it leaves an anaconda.ks in the home directory with an equivalent set of install options which it used to install itself. Is there an equivalent for the "preseed" in Debian? |
| 11:10.26 | at0m|c | ,v fsprotect |
| 11:10.27 | judd | Package: fsprotect on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.6; jessie: 1.0.6; stretch: 1.0.7; sid: 1.0.7 |
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| 11:10.50 | at0m|c | Hanonim: fsprotect can make your partitions read-only from init |
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| 11:11.24 | Hanonim | at0m|c: sweet, thanks! :) |
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| 11:14.30 | SynrG | boxrick1: there's just whatever is put in /var/log/installer/ and if that doesn't contain what you need, i guess not. |
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| 11:14.39 | no_gravity | What would be a quick way to get a newer version of cutycapt on debian 8? |
| 11:15.02 | SynrG | boxrick1: i was looking at mine (mind you, i installed 6.5 years ago ...) and it didn't seem like there was ... |
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| 11:15.46 | boxrick1 | In this particular instance I just have a server with a funny external SCSI box which seems to be causing issues with my normal pre-seed |
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| 11:16.07 | boxrick1 | Just trying to figure out what config option in the standard installer makes it work. |
| 11:16.17 | SynrG | ah |
| 11:16.22 | SynrG | shrugs helpfully |
| 11:17.29 | SynrG | boxrick1: debconf-get-selections and look at the d-i stuff? or ... |
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| 11:17.44 | boxrick1 | That folder will be useful anyway |
| 11:17.50 | boxrick1 | So cheers for that :) |
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| 11:18.22 | SynrG | boxrick1: debconf-get-selections | grep ^d-i |
| 11:18.40 | SynrG | this shows me a mere 3 things (keymap, language, country ... sounds about right for a simple install) |
| 11:18.49 | SynrG | there may be others that aren't in the d-i group |
| 11:19.59 | no_gravity | What would be a quick way to get a newer version of cutycapt on debian 8? Would it be complicated to get it from unstable? |
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| 11:45.42 | at0m|c | dpkg: tell no_gravity about backports |
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| 11:47.57 | no_gravity | Gotta go now. |
| 11:48.05 | no_gravity | Thanks and cu! |
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| 11:58.22 | Gravious | hello, i am trying to install some nonfree fonts using instructions from http://www.tug.org/fonts/getnonfreefonts/ it asks for textlua and i cannot find this in debian or anywhere else |
| 11:58.26 | Gravious | google is not helpful |
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| 12:00.10 | Gravious | oh nvm, being especially dumb today |
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| 12:02.31 | pampeho | Gravious: happens to me sometimes as well :) |
| 12:03.23 | Gravious | :) |
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| 12:59.30 | sobczyk | is there an ETA on qt5.8 in testing or unstable |
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| 13:03.59 | themill | sobczyk: unlikely to happen until after stretch is released |
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| 13:04.53 | vm_ | HI |
| 13:05.29 | vm_ | I just installed Debian 8, firmware-iwlwifi for my intel 3945 card. I am able to see the networks but not able to connect. |
| 13:06.13 | vm_ | I do not get a pop up asking for the wifi password and also the indicator for wireless is not lighted up on my laptop |
| 13:06.44 | doubledutch | vm_ what does your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:06.47 | doubledutch | file look like? |
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| 13:08.34 | vm_ | http://pastebin.com/1LHAT5gZ |
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| 13:09.17 | vm_ | doubledutch: http://pastebin.com/1LHAT5gZ |
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| 13:13.53 | vm_ | doubledutch: I am connected over ethernet now. Any idea what the problem is? |
| 13:16.26 | petn-randall | vm_: Many laptops have keyboard shortcuts to turn on the wifi, try using that. |
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| 13:17.05 | vm_ | petn-randall:no effect. The wifi is enabled as I can see the networks |
| 13:18.05 | petn-randall | vm_: if you run 'rfkill list', what output do you get? |
| 13:18.30 | vm_ | no such command |
| 13:19.07 | petn-randall | vm_: Install it then. |
| 13:19.41 | vm_ | it says soft blocked and hardblocked no |
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| 13:19.48 | tw | How do I install extensions in chromium? I get an error that says "Installation is not enabled." ( http://i.imgur.com/lVxD83B.png ) I've tried the --enable-extensions --enable-easy-off-store-extension-install cli flags to no avail. stretch rc2. |
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| 13:22.12 | vm_ | petn-randall: Any network I choose from the list, I do not get the pop up asking for the key/password |
| 13:22.18 | jelly | tw: that ought to work, did you look at open bugs for chromium? |
| 13:22.57 | jelly | tw: http://bugs.debian.org/chromium |
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| 13:23.52 | tw | jelly: already reported, thanks for showing me the way. |
| 13:24.45 | petn-randall | vm_: Did you reboot since installing the firmware? |
| 13:24.53 | vm_ | petn-randall: yes. Twice |
| 13:25.14 | vm_ | petn-randall: I am able to se the module loaded in lsmod |
| 13:25.31 | petn-randall | vm_: Can you check the logs in /var/log/kern.log if you see any errors there regarding wifi? |
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| 13:25.47 | petn-randall | vm_: Also /var/log/daemon.log will give you hints for why network-manager failed. |
| 13:26.33 | vm_ | petn-randall: http://www.pastebin.ca/3765316 |
| 13:27.14 | sobczyk | themill: when is it planned? the wesite mentions just Full freeze on 2017-02-05 |
| 13:27.18 | vm_ | petn-randall: kern.log : iwl3945 0000:03:00.0: Direct firmware load failed with error -2 |
| 13:27.29 | sobczyk | so 3 days ago |
| 13:27.48 | vm_ | petn-randall: daemon.log wpa_supplicant[724]: wlan0: Failed to initialize driver interface |
| 13:28.24 | vm_ | petn-randall: Shall I pastebin the full logs for both? |
| 13:28.31 | themill | sobczyk: when is what planned? |
| 13:28.42 | sobczyk | themill: stretch release |
| 13:28.48 | themill | !wir |
| 13:28.48 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, wir is When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh>. |
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| 13:30.20 | sobczyk | so no dates? no bugs to fix before release? |
| 13:30.48 | themill | plenty of bugs to fix; it gets released when they are fixed |
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| 13:32.08 | sobczyk | it'd be nice if https://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch had a bug search link with proper filter |
| 13:32.14 | jelly | !rc bugs |
| 13:32.15 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are Debian bugs with critical, grave or serious severities, preventing the next release of Debian. See the graph at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ or the lists at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/all.html http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?release=stretch&patch=ign&pending=ign&merged=ign&done=ign&rc=1 . See also <rc-alert>. |
| 13:32.47 | jelly | hunt somewhere around there for bugs relevant for the next release |
| 13:32.59 | sobczyk | thanks |
| 13:33.16 | themill | make it so! |
| 13:33.18 | jelly | as for the wiki, if you can manage to register / log in, maybe you can fix the page |
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| 13:33.59 | themill | https://udd.debian.org/bugs/ is probably the simplest view |
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| 13:34.34 | vm_ | petn-randall: Any other hints or ideas? |
| 13:35.29 | throwthecheese | Does anyone of you know why does Blender do this under Nouveau drivers? http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=ngrfwp&s=5#.WJseGDL94YY |
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| 13:37.42 | TomTomTosch | do what? that just looks like an unfinished render. |
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| 13:38.56 | TomTomTosch | you hit f12 and that's where it stops? |
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| 13:39.35 | throwthecheese | NOPE, the internal engine is that lazy under Nouveau |
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| 13:40.07 | throwthecheese | I've had this problem under openSUSE and Ubuntu, too |
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| 13:41.07 | jelly | throwthecheese: jessie kernel and xorg and dri an mesa? |
| 13:41.19 | jelly | or something older or newer? |
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| 13:50.28 | throwthecheese | Jessie/3.2.0-4/1:7.7+7/Nouveau 1:1.0.11-1/10.3.2-1 |
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| 13:51.20 | jelly | wait what, 3.2 kernel? |
| 13:51.33 | jelly | that's from debian 7 |
| 13:51.35 | AndreasLutro | can someone explain to me why mysql-common won't upgrade here? https://paste.debian.net/plain/913394 |
| 13:51.56 | jelly | ,v libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 13:51.57 | judd | Package: libgl1-mesa-dri on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; wheezy: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; jessie: 10.3.2-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 12.0.4-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 13.0.3-1; sid: 13.0.4-1; experimental: 17.0.0~rc3-1 |
| 13:52.03 | petn-randall | !bat |
| 13:52.04 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 13:52.19 | petn-randall | AndreasLutro: Could you provide the info above? ^^^ |
| 13:52.44 | AndreasLutro | sure, though I thought I already narrowed the problem down to this version policy being incorrect |
| 13:52.45 | jelly | throwthecheese: go with nvidia drivers if you need opengl that actually works, or try stretch, I guess |
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| 13:53.09 | throwthecheese | I actually have 3.16 |
| 13:53.11 | jelly | it's probably not worth filing bugs for jessie's stack |
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| 13:53.16 | AndreasLutro | full info: https://paste.debian.net/plain/913396 |
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| 13:53.36 | jelly | (expect for noting something is broken) |
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| 13:55.25 | petn-randall | AndreasLutro: What does 'apt-cache policy libmysqlclient18' say? |
| 13:55.39 | themill | AndreasLutro: your pinning looks pretty odd; dpkg's point 3 and your pinning config would be good to see |
| 13:55.53 | throwthecheese | The blob breaks Blender and makes the resolution trashy |
| 13:55.56 | AndreasLutro | ah sorry I missed that |
| 13:56.04 | AndreasLutro | petn-randall: it says Candidate: 5.5.54-0+deb8u1 so that's correct |
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| 13:56.14 | petn-randall | AndreasLutro: 'aptitude search ~ahold'? |
| 13:56.20 | jelly | throwthecheese: hah, did not expect that |
| 13:57.24 | throwthecheese | The blob have served me well until last year when electricity workers caused a blackout |
| 13:57.41 | petn-randall | ,v libmysqlclient18 |
| 13:57.42 | judd | Package: libmysqlclient18 on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.5.47-0+deb7u1; jessie: 5.5.53-0+deb8u1; wheezy-security: 5.5.54-0+deb7u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 5.5.54-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.5.54-0+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 5.6.30-1~bpo8+1 |
| 13:57.45 | throwthecheese | After that my computer started to hate the blob |
| 13:58.39 | petn-randall | AndreasLutro: Yeah, the full output of 'apt-cache policy libmysqlclient18' might be important. |
| 13:59.16 | petn-randall | AndreasLutro: I'm guessing libmysqlclient18 is either pinned or held. |
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| 14:00.31 | AndreasLutro | mysql-common does show up under "Pinned packages" in apt-cache policy |
| 14:00.31 | AndreasLutro | let me grab the full output |
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| 14:01.50 | AndreasLutro | https://paste.debian.net/plain/913398 petn-randall and themill |
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| 14:02.10 | AndreasLutro | apt-mark showhold doesn't show anything so I don't think that's it |
| 14:02.30 | themill | that pinning is insane |
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| 14:03.06 | themill | and also not consistent with your previous paste :( |
| 14:03.11 | AndreasLutro | quite, I don't know where it's coming from to be honest, though we do have a pretty extensive apt preferences |
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| 14:03.21 | AndreasLutro | how is it not consistent? |
| 14:03.23 | throwthecheese | How can I fix that issue with Blender? I'm asking this because I'm on Sheep-It |
| 14:03.30 | themill | any apt-preferences is too much apt-preferences. |
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| 14:08.42 | Somelauw | Is .bash_profile always read on startup? |
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| 14:10.04 | Plushwolf | only when the user who owns this file in his/her directory logs in |
| 14:10.28 | Plushwolf | If you make any changes in it you have to logout and login again |
| 14:10.53 | Somelauw | Even if my shell is set to zsh? |
| 14:11.17 | Plushwolf | zsh has its own config files iirc |
| 14:11.41 | petn-randall | AndreasLutro: You for some reason pinned a ton of packages on your server. There's seldomly a reason to do so. I'd remove them and upgrade cleanly. |
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| 14:11.59 | petn-randall | AndreasLutro: You might want to check with any other admin of the machine if there was a special reason to do so. |
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| 14:12.51 | AndreasLutro | I am the admin :) anyway I found the culprit. this was meant to give mysql packages from mysql's repos higher priority but ended up just pinning every mysql package https://paste.debian.net/plain/913399 |
| 14:13.20 | AndreasLutro | will reevaluate if we want to use this type of pinning at all I guess |
| 14:13.31 | petn-randall | AndreasLutro: Yeah, I'd recommend not using the upstream packages. |
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| 14:13.49 | themill | also reevaluate 3rd party repos; there are some pretty poor quality packages in the ones you are using |
| 14:13.56 | MrNewbie | how can i update apache2 and openssl offically on debian jessie to support SSLOpenSSLConfCmd |
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| 14:14.22 | AndreasLutro | yeah I know. but if mysql5.6 is a requirement we don't have any options until debian 9 is out |
| 14:14.30 | petn-randall | AndreasLutro: I don't think you're showing us the data from one server, though. Your paste from your pinning doesn't match up with your 'apt-cache policy'. |
| 14:14.34 | Somelauw | Plushwolf: so does setting zsh as default shell automatically use the zsh config files instead? |
| 14:14.46 | MrNewbie | . |
| 14:15.29 | AndreasLutro | petn-randall: what exactly doesn't line up? |
| 14:15.34 | AndreasLutro | s/line/match/ |
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| 14:17.21 | MrNewbie | . |
| 14:18.09 | petn-randall | AndreasLutro: You pinned the mysql repo to 700, but it doesn't show up as 700 in 'apt-cache policy'. Might be a typo somewhere though that your preferences don't get parsed properly. |
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| 14:18.44 | AndreasLutro | I think that's because I haven't actually added "repo.mysql.com" as a source on this server |
| 14:19.10 | MrNewbie_ | for some reason i wasnt able to read any msgs, anyways i am going to ask the question again. |
| 14:19.17 | AndreasLutro | the 700 shows up on the package versions of mysql-common instead, which was unexpected: "5.5.54-0+deb8u1 700" for example |
| 14:19.58 | MrNewbie_ | how can i update apache2 and openssl to support "SSLOpenSSLConfCmd" is there a repo on debian that i can add only to update those packages with out updating anything else ? |
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| 14:21.30 | abrotman | MrNewbie_: start with which version of the package you're currently using, and hwich supports that option |
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| 14:23.13 | MrNewbie_ | abrotman: i am currently on debian jessie using Apache2/2.4.10 and Openssl 1.0.1t |
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| 14:24.10 | MrNewbie_ | basid on what i read openssl should be version 1.0.2 and apache should be compiled with openssl 1.0.2 aswell |
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| 14:24.37 | abrotman | I'm not sure if there are any backports for openssl for jessie |
| 14:25.00 | abrotman | judd: versions openssl |
| 14:25.01 | judd | Package: openssl on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u20; wheezy-security: 1.0.1t-1+deb7u1; jessie: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u5; jessie-security: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u6; jessie-proposed-updates: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u6; jessie-backports: 1.0.2k-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.1.0c-2; sid: 1.1.0d-2 |
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| 14:25.10 | abrotman | oh, maybe in jessie-backports |
| 14:25.15 | abrotman | I didn't think they'd created one |
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| 14:26.51 | MrNewbie_ | abrotman: if i used jessie-backports and did apt-get update/upgrade it will update all other packages aswell correct ? |
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| 14:27.49 | petn-randall | MrNewbie_: No, jessie-backports is by default pinned low enough. |
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| 14:28.31 | MrNewbie_ | thanks just read this https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 14:31.17 | doubledutch | MrNewbie_: ++ |
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| 14:37.40 | MrNewbie_ | i guess this wont help since apache wasnt compile with openssl 1.0.2 and i didnt find any new updates for apache |
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| 14:45.35 | Hanonim | generally speaking, is it a good idea to have "apt update && apt upgrade" as a cron job on servers ? what would you say is the risk of something bad happening (breakage etc...) ? |
| 14:46.04 | greycat | !jessie samba |
| 14:46.04 | dpkg | A security update in jessie upgrades Samba to 4.2. The NEWS.Debian.gz file has some errors. See <http://bugs.debian.org/820983> for the correct instructions. Win XP clients use NTLM by default; to switch them to NTLMv2 you will need admin, and follow <https://www.imss.caltech.edu/node/396> depending on which XP it is. |
| 14:46.06 | greycat | Things like that. |
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| 14:46.34 | petn-randall | Hanonim: There are better approaches for this. Look into the package "unattended-upgrades" for example. |
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| 14:51.02 | flok420 | when you get an error like "nagios3 : Depends: nagios3-core (= 3.5.1.dfsg-2+b1) but it is not going to be installed" what is then usually the solution? |
| 14:51.22 | petn-randall | flok420: Fixing your sources.list. |
| 14:51.25 | petn-randall | !bat |
| 14:51.25 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 14:51.28 | doubledutch | Have you tried: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade --fix-missing |
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| 14:51.39 | petn-randall | flok420: Could you provide the above info? ^^^ |
| 14:51.49 | greycat | ,v nagios3-core |
| 14:51.50 | judd | Package: nagios3-core on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.4.1-3+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 3.4.1-3+deb7u3; wheezy-backports: 3.4.1-5~bpo7+2; jessie: 3.5.1.dfsg-2+b1 |
| 14:52.26 | flok420 | petn-randall: hold on |
| 14:52.38 | Hanonim | petn-randall: thanks ! basically i want to have automated updates but i'm wondering if it might, someday, break running apps. i plan to deploy those apps on many machines, so it has to be foolproof |
| 14:52.50 | Plushwolf | Somelauw: Sorry, I accidently was away. Can you repeat your question please? |
| 14:53.26 | petn-randall | Hanonim: IMHO the risk of failure due to unapplied security patches is higher than breakage from the updates themselves. But unattended-upgrades has options to exclude certain packages if you need to. |
| 14:54.13 | petn-randall | Hanonim: Also check out the package 'needrestart'. |
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| 14:55.51 | flok420 | petn-randall: http://paste.debian.net/913412/ |
| 14:56.09 | Hanonim | petn-randall: what about to OS itself ? is it mad to dist-upgrade automatically ? |
| 14:56.12 | Hanonim | *the |
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| 14:56.54 | greycat | You shouldn't be using dist-upgrade on a server anyway. |
| 14:57.18 | babilen | Why not? |
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| 14:57.23 | petn-randall | Hanonim: What do you mean with "OS itself"? Everything that Debian is made of is shipped via packages, if that's what you mean. |
| 14:57.34 | greycat | Because that implies that you are running testing or unstable on a server. |
| 14:57.38 | greycat | Which would be ludicrous. |
| 14:57.39 | babilen | dist-upgrade is necessary sometimes |
| 14:57.48 | petn-randall | Maybe you shouldn't need to dist-upgrade? And if you do, it might be a sign of configuration mistake? |
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| 14:58.34 | Hanonim | well i'm thinking about the futur, what will over a long period of time |
| 14:58.57 | babilen | Upgrades are perfectly normal .. I wouldn't be happy with automatic package removals so definitely wouldn't make it part of scripts that run unattended |
| 14:59.17 | petn-randall | Hanonim: Upgrading to the next release should be done manually, though. If you do that automatically, that might break your system at unexpected times. |
| 14:59.41 | babilen | yeah, don't use "stable" in your sources.list, but a specific release |
| 15:01.47 | Hanonim | petn-randall: so basically, never remotely ? |
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| 15:02.22 | greycat | Remote vs local is a different issue from manual/automatic. |
| 15:02.36 | petn-randall | Hanonim: You _can_ do it remotely. But you should do it automatically via cron job. |
| 15:02.46 | petn-randall | *should not |
| 15:02.56 | petn-randall | Gah, why do I always leave out negations in sentences?! |
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| 15:03.33 | babilen | .oO( But you asked me to! ) |
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| 15:04.07 | Hanonim | yes i understand, but if there is an important system breakage, i might not be able to join the machine again (via ssh) |
| 15:04.37 | babilen | Don't you have OOB access? |
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| 15:05.05 | greycat | Ensuring access is one of the STRONG reasons why you do these things manually instead of automatically. |
| 15:05.22 | greycat | Your ssh session that you use to do the actual upgrade remains running even if sshd dies. |
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| 15:06.55 | jelly | ubuntu's release upgrade scripts do an interesting thing, start screen, bring up a standalone sshd on different port and ask you to ensure you can log in via that |
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| 15:07.52 | Hanonim | anyway i guess i could manually upgrade once or twice and then automate for the rest of the machines if it works properly (given the setup is the same) |
| 15:07.58 | jelly | which is exactly what I do manually if I have no console access and a silly customer wants a release upgrade |
| 15:07.59 | babilen | I wouldn't really feel well doing that without some OOB access mechanism |
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| 15:09.13 | babilen | Hanonim: Please note that we are discussing security updates and release updates at the same time. IMHO its perfectly fine to run unattended upgrades for security updates, but I wouldn't perform unattended upgrades to the next release (unless properly automated and tested) |
| 15:09.34 | Hanonim | babilen: what do you mean by OOB ? it looks like i'm a nOOB on this topic... |
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| 15:10.13 | babilen | Hanonim: Some form to access the box out-of-band. So that you can, essentially, log in or chroot into it even if SSH is down (say) or the box has crashed or ... |
| 15:10.23 | babilen | Is this bare metal or VM? |
| 15:10.45 | Hanonim | bare metal |
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| 15:11.15 | babilen | Brand? Does it have something like drac (dell), ilo (hp), ... ? |
| 15:11.50 | Hanonim | i'm afraid i don't know yet, for now i must admit i'm a bit in the abstract |
| 15:12.12 | babilen | Okay, so you don't have that hardware yet? |
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| 15:13.25 | Hanonim | no, for now i'm researching good practises in general |
| 15:13.41 | Scott0_ | what would be the best way to restart or start a service if its found that its stopped? id like something to periodically check |
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| 15:14.07 | babilen | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-of-band_management is what I'm referring to and different vendors have their own technology. It, essentially, boils down to having a second small server integrated in your server, that connects to the internet and has access to the "real" server hardware. You can then connect to that "little" / "management" server and access an otherwise inaccessible system via that |
| 15:14.12 | greycat | Scott0_: set it up properly under systemd (or your init system or your add-on service manager) so that it is automatically restarted. |
| 15:14.18 | hicks__ | I think systemd has a config option you can use to monitor and auto restart processes |
| 15:14.31 | Scott0_ | greycat: oh there's a setting for that? |
| 15:14.37 | greycat | Yes. |
| 15:14.55 | Hanonim | i'm not a linux noob, but i'm not a super guru neither and am looking for level upping my security skills |
| 15:14.58 | babilen | Hanonim: So if you were to get Dell boxes you'd have https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dell_DRAC with an embedded console, for HP server https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP_Integrated_Lights-Out (and so on) |
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| 15:15.06 | greycat | "Restart=always" under [service] |
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| 15:15.11 | Scott0_ | thanks |
| 15:16.19 | Artox | petn-randall, Here I am, debian-mentors is invite-only |
| 15:16.40 | babilen | Hanonim: Are you planning to buy bare metal yourself and have it colocated in a datacentre of your choice or are you planning to "rent" an existant bare metal |
| 15:16.42 | Artox | but I could also go with the suggestion on mentors.debian.net that says ¨File a RFS bug against the sponsorship-requests pseudo-package¨ |
| 15:16.53 | Hanonim | babilen: fundamentally, is it that different from ssh ? |
| 15:16.57 | BluesKaj | just install 8.7.1 with KDE on my laptop, NM doesn't seem to store the wifi access password between bootups..is this a bug ? |
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| 15:17.25 | babilen | Hanonim: No, not really.. as I said: It is essentially a second computer in your computer that would still be accessible if you fucked up the other |
| 15:18.08 | babilen | You need that if it isn't an option for you to "walk over" to your server and plug in a screen/keyboard/... |
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| 15:20.00 | Hanonim | babilen: makes sense... |
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| 15:21.10 | lost_soul | Are any of you running debian on a qnap-ts412 nas? I've read the documentation and am considering an install but I would like to get some input from someone who has already done this |
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| 15:22.58 | Hanonim | babilen: thanks for your time :) |
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| 15:26.50 | petn-randall | Artox: It's on OFTC, where we talked. I'm a bit confused why you would switch to freenode just to tell me it doesn't work on here ... :) |
| 15:27.24 | Somelauw | Plushwolf: so does setting zsh as default shell automatically use the zsh config files instead? |
| 15:27.42 | greycat | Only when you actually launch a zsh shell. |
| 15:27.58 | Somelauw | So i'm still not sure whether putting my nix config in .xprofile .bash_profile or .zprofile |
| 15:28.22 | Plushwolf | iirc zsh uses its own config files, but I'm not sure which one |
| 15:28.27 | Somelauw | I'm thinking of putting something like 'echo "Entered .xprofile at ${date}" in each of these files |
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| 15:28.43 | greycat | Somelauw: Depends on how you log in. |
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| 15:29.18 | DoberMann | doing echo stuff in these should break some logins, (scp) |
| 15:29.46 | greycat | Also depends on what you mean by "nix config". |
| 15:30.10 | greycat | If you only ever login by ssh and you just want to set shell stuff, then just use the shell's regular dot files. |
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| 15:30.42 | greycat | If you login through a GUI and just want to set environment variables, use ~/.xsessionrc which is Debian-specific for all display manager logins. |
| 15:30.57 | petn-randall | Somelauw: Shells can either be interactive or non-interactive, and login or non-login shells. So you end up with four different possible combinations. Depending on what you want to do, each one of those has config files that get parsed on the start of such shell. |
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| 15:31.56 | Somelauw | greycat: i can't think of the name, but it's one of these lightweight login managers |
| 15:32.23 | Somelauw | the one that comes by defaults with lxde |
| 15:32.44 | greycat | So use ~/.xsessionrc to set environment variables that you want GUI programs to inherit |
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| 15:33.11 | greycat | That file is read by /bin/sh not by your login shell. |
| 15:33.11 | Somelauw | problem with .xsessionrc is that it doesn't understand shell syntax |
| 15:33.23 | greycat | It doesn't understand ZSH syntax because it does not use your login shell. |
| 15:33.27 | Somelauw | sh should be fine |
| 15:33.48 | Somelauw | anything greater than or equal to dash probably |
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| 15:34.13 | Somelauw | but it didn't understand hello/**/something last time i tried, but maybe that's not sh syntax |
| 15:35.06 | greycat | That's correct. That is not valid sh syntax. WHAT PART OF THIS IS USED IN SETTING *ENVIRONMENT VARIABLES*? |
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| 15:35.23 | greycat | Do not do ANYTHING in .xsessionrc EXCEPT setting ENVIRONMENT VARIABLES> |
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| 15:35.25 | greycat | export foo=bar |
| 15:35.29 | greycat | that's all. nothing else. |
| 15:35.52 | greycat | If you want to set up complex functions and macros and shit for your shell, that goes in the shell's dot files. |
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| 15:36.13 | greycat | .xsessionrc is for exporting PATH and other crap like that into your GUI applications |
| 15:36.49 | Somelauw | okay, so then tell me where i should put this line of code ". ~/.nix-profile/etc/profile.d/nix.sh" |
| 15:36.57 | greycat | What the fuck does it DO? |
| 15:37.09 | Somelauw | mainly exports and somme if statements |
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| 15:37.17 | greycat | When you wrote "nix" was that the name of some specific application, or did you mean "unix in general"? |
| 15:37.18 | Somelauw | and echo |
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| 15:37.34 | greycat | Why is it echoing ANYTHING? |
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| 15:38.06 | Somelauw | it uses echo to write to .nix-channels |
| 15:38.13 | greycat | So "nix" is an application? |
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| 15:38.24 | lost_soul | I would put it in .profile... at least that's where I have a similar line to read in my aliases |
| 15:39.01 | Somelauw | yes, it is something like chroot, but completely different |
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| 15:39.45 | greycat | Is it launched from a GUI program like your window manager, or is it something that you only ever run from a shell? Is this config shit *laborious* so that you really only want to do it once at login, or is it something that's "safe" to do in every window you open? |
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| 15:40.34 | greycat | And why in the name of all that's unholy did you use non-portable shell syntax in this config file? |
| 15:40.47 | lost_soul | LOL |
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| 15:41.38 | Somelauw | it's a deamon, that needs to add stuff to path, these can be shell or gui applications |
| 15:42.01 | draget_ | Can I create a simple virtual package where I just list packages? And then install my virtual package and also get rid of all the other packages uninstalling just this virtual package? |
| 15:42.22 | greycat | So you actually mean "there are two things this file does: launch a daemon, and then export env vars to point to it, very much like ssh-agent"? |
| 15:42.35 | Somelauw | but the deamon is launched by systemd, ignore that part. it only need to set environment variables and update PATH |
| 15:43.02 | greycat | So this config file SEARCHES for a running daemon using god only knows what kind of heuristics, and then exports env vars for apps to find it? |
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| 15:43.35 | Scott0_ | greycat: will always mean that when I stop it manually, it will try to start again? |
| 15:43.52 | greycat | Scott0_: if you use "systemctl stop" it should stay stopped. |
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| 15:44.33 | MrNewbie_ | is there a way to downgrade a package |
| 15:45.11 | MrNewbie_ | i just updated openssl "apt-get -t jessie-backports install openssl" and nothing else, now i want to revert back |
| 15:45.42 | Scott0_ | is service [servicename] start a convenience script for using systemctl? |
| 15:46.06 | Somelauw | greycat: i guess so |
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| 15:47.06 | greycat | Somelauw: Well, now it's really complicated. You might consider rewriting it to use portable sh syntax and then dotting it in from ~/.xsessionrc and see if that does the job. But without actually *seeing* and *understanding* what this script does, it's impossible to be sure. |
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| 15:49.25 | towo` | draget_, you shoult read about equivs |
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| 15:50.38 | draget_ | I do not want to build packages myself. I just want to have clean dependencies marked as autoinstalled and not manually installed. |
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| 15:51.08 | Somelauw | greycat: I think export/if/echo are all portable, so i can just try? |
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| 15:51.31 | draget_ | Something like Package A B C > /var/local/apt/virtual/foobar.conf ; apt install foobar |
| 15:51.58 | greycat | Those three commands are mostly portable (echo is dodgy), but it depends on much more than that. You mentioned the use of a ** (recursive) glob earlier. Those are not portable. |
| 15:52.08 | Zewwy | I feel like I'm super stupid today... how do you specify where to extract a tar file? |
| 15:52.20 | greycat | Zewwy: cd first, or use tar -C dir |
| 15:52.29 | Zewwy | THanks -C |
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| 15:53.02 | petn-randall | !goal |
| 15:53.02 | dpkg | Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is. |
| 15:53.04 | petn-randall | draget_: ^^^ |
| 15:53.14 | towo` | draget_> Can I create a simple virtual package and draget_> I do not want to build packages myself. does not fit, i'm out |
| 15:54.27 | Somelauw | this looks portable so far https://paste.debian.net/hidden/0ee0e2d2/ |
| 15:55.11 | greycat | All that stuff that writes to stderr is :( :( |
| 15:55.26 | draget_ | I want to manage dependencies via APT of programm installed not via APT. I want to avoid installing them explicitly, because I would have to purge them explicitly when uninstalling the main programm. I'd like to simplify the process to installing/purging a single 'dependency-bundle-package' |
| 15:55.32 | greycat | But hopefully if you *ONLY* dot this in from .xsessionrc then it won't break your scp's and so on. |
| 15:56.05 | Somelauw | hmm, it does >&2 |
| 15:56.30 | greycat | Right. That's the part that writes human-readable messages to stderr. |
| 15:56.41 | greycat | You might comment those out. |
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| 15:56.51 | BluesKaj | I just installed 8.7.1 with KDE on my laptop, NM doesn't seem to store the wifi access password between bootups, any ideas? |
| 15:57.18 | draget_ | On a different topic: apt reports on unneded packages 'Use 'apt autoremove' to remove them.' while 'apt autoremove' prints 'E: Invalid operation autormove' (apt 1.2.19) |
| 15:58.32 | babilen | autormove is not the same as autoremove (note the typo) |
| 15:58.33 | Somelauw | the if will probably be false most of the time, so i'm probably safe |
| 16:00.08 | Somelauw | and even if xprofile fails, i can still use tty |
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| 16:07.01 | BluesKaj | ok , nevermind, fixed it myself |
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| 16:08.37 | Somelauw | lost_soul: I've just noticed there is already a line in .xprofile that does that, but that one was apparenly ignored or maybe doesn't get read until zsh starts |
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| 16:09.24 | lost_soul | Somelauw: I said .profile... not .xprofile |
| 16:09.51 | greycat | .xprofile is not part of any of the standard Debian X session stuff. I don't know where you got it from or what reads it, if anything. |
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| 16:10.11 | lost_soul | I think the .profile is read any time a terminal is opened... possibly? |
| 16:11.11 | greycat | lost_soul: wrong. |
| 16:11.28 | lost_soul | yay |
| 16:11.38 | lost_soul | so the correct answer is? |
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| 16:12.05 | lost_soul | when someone logs in and when terminals are opened? |
| 16:12.08 | greycat | The correct answer to what? |
| 16:12.21 | greycat | Jesus christ, we're back to square 0. |
| 16:12.22 | lost_soul | to when it's read? |
| 16:12.26 | greycat | HOW DO YOU LOG IN |
| 16:12.27 | lost_soul | LOL |
| 16:12.42 | lost_soul | greycat: it wasn't me you were helping |
| 16:12.58 | Somelauw | lost_soul: I meant .profile |
| 16:13.05 | lost_soul | it was ^^ |
| 16:13.09 | greycat | What files are read during login is determined by HOW you login. |
| 16:13.14 | Somelauw | i accidentally typed .xprofile |
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| 16:13.22 | lost_soul | Somelauw: okay.. cuz you've mentioned .xprofile many times |
| 16:13.27 | lost_soul | so I just wasn't sure |
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| 16:14.31 | rory | hi Iota |
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| 16:17.31 | Somelauw | lost_soul: i'm trying .xsession now, ignoring .xprofile and .profile |
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| 16:18.01 | greycat | If you use .xsession WHICH IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FILE FROM .xsessionrc THEN YOU HAVE TO EXEC YOUR OWN WINDOW MANAGER |
| 16:18.30 | Somelauw | i mean .xsessionrc (sorry, those similar names get really confusing) |
| 16:18.35 | greycat | I swear you people just say stupid shit on purpose to see me get angry. |
| 16:18.52 | n4dir | not that it would be hard. |
| 16:19.04 | lost_soul | hahaha |
| 16:19.11 | doubledutch | ^___^ |
| 16:19.29 | Iota | Hey rory, whatcha upto? |
| 16:20.51 | Iridos | you do get angry so well⦠it's a clear possibility :) |
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| 16:24.36 | dontknow | my computer's screen freeze sometimes (rarely). i can move mouse but the screen freezes. and for example i can play and pouse a media player (i hear the sound) what is the issue? |
| 16:25.15 | Iridos | try to log into the machine from outside via ssh and look around⦠|
| 16:25.30 | dontknow | :/ |
| 16:26.23 | Iridos | and look at logs for the time in /var/log/messages and dmesg |
| 16:26.36 | lost_soul | does it happen only when you're playing media... you only said rarely |
| 16:26.57 | dontknow | lost_soul, i am not sure |
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| 16:28.15 | lost_soul | dontknow: The problem is that the only way people here can really help you is if you have enough information to help them narrow the problem down. You should try paying attention to when it happens and exactly what you're doing at the time |
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| 16:28.35 | lost_soul | Things that rarely happen are indeed harder to diagnose but it can be done.. with time |
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| 16:28.49 | dontknow | ok |
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| 16:29.28 | lost_soul | The fact you said the screen freezes but you can still pause, stop and hear voices or music to me means it could be something as simple as trying another media player, perhaps vlc |
| 16:29.52 | lost_soul | mplayer is always a nice choice, too |
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| 16:30.28 | dontknow | lost_soul, i can interact with any software i believe |
| 16:30.46 | lost_soul | dontknow: you should also refer to the logs as instructed by Iridos |
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| 16:31.31 | dontknow | also don't see ctrl+alt+F2 tty. i only see freezed screen |
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| 16:32.34 | n4dir | probably doesn't help you much, dontknow, but i got a similar problem with my laptop since i bought it, 5+ years ago. With all distros, without any obvious reason or culprit. I simply gave up on the problem |
| 16:33.04 | n4dir | somone told me something about intel, but i forgot the details (didn't contain a solution for it anyway) |
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| 16:33.24 | dontknow | n4dir, yeah i also use intel integrated gpu |
| 16:33.48 | n4dir | yup integrated. Also low specs in genearl (a gig of Ram, CPU i forgot). |
| 16:33.52 | dontknow | i changed its acceleration from uax to sna. but it didn't help |
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| 16:34.02 | lost_soul | The onboard intel graphics worked fine on linux last time I tried it on my laptop.. 4000 series graphics |
| 16:34.11 | n4dir | sometimes it doesn't happen for weeks, suddenly a few times in a row |
| 16:34.20 | dontknow | yes |
| 16:34.39 | towo` | remove the intel ddx and try modesetting |
| 16:34.40 | n4dir | lost_soul: pretty all my machines are intel, and all of them work and worked fine. Its only the laptop |
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| 16:34.59 | lost_soul | n4dir: weird |
| 16:35.15 | n4dir | yea, but after 5 years you are used to it :-)= |
| 16:35.42 | lost_soul | still annoying as hell I bet |
| 16:36.01 | n4dir | mainly when busy. |
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| 16:36.31 | dontknow | next time i will try switching tty and log-in without seeing it and restart. because i had to shutdown computer with power button. an i scare ssd will break |
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| 16:38.18 | dontknow | is there a something like ctrl+alt+delete command in debian? |
| 16:38.39 | lost_soul | a command, yes... reboot |
| 16:38.44 | lost_soul | or shutdown -r now |
| 16:38.48 | Iridos | dontknow, oh, is that gnome-shell on an intel graphics chip? |
| 16:38.50 | tomcres | Yes, ctrl-alt-del ð |
| 16:39.07 | n4dir | dontknow: not sure if you missed the comment by towo` in all that babble (mainly by me ...) |
| 16:39.20 | dontknow | lost_soul, i mean shortcut with keyboard |
| 16:39.37 | dontknow | Iridos, no xfce |
| 16:39.51 | Iridos | oh well |
| 16:40.33 | dontknow | n4dir, towo? |
| 16:40.56 | jelly | !sysrq |
| 16:40.57 | dpkg | i heard sysrq is Alt-PrintScreen-[Key]. For a clean reboot with a semi-locked machine, try [Key] with s-u-b, s for sync, u for remount readonly and b for reBoot. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key and http://kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sysrq.txt . See also <sysrqd>. |
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| 16:41.10 | jelly | dontknow: ^^ if you're interested in a forced reboot |
| 16:41.38 | dontknow | jelly, yes that was what i asked thanks |
| 16:41.55 | n4dir | ) towo`: remove the intel ddx and try modesetting ; dontknow that is what he said |
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| 16:42.50 | Iridos | funnily⦠when I googled that, I found an ubuntu page which omitted the probably most useful option (trigger oom_killer) |
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| 16:43.56 | dontknow | next time i am going to do that without seeing anything :S |
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| 16:44.38 | jelly | Iridos: I never used that ever. |
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| 16:45.14 | Iridos | well⦠and it actually also didn't work |
| 16:45.25 | jelly | in my world killing a random process is more harmful than rebooting the whole machine |
| 16:45.32 | Iridos | ⦠after which I didn't try the reboot sequence, but just pressed da big button |
| 16:45.47 | Iridos | nah⦠the random process would have been firefox |
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| 16:46.28 | jelly | has a panel shortcut that pkills -9 firefox and restarts it |
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| 16:47.52 | tnlr | #join kali-linux |
| 16:47.59 | tnlr | lel |
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| 16:48.05 | dontknow | sometimes firefox's plugin comtainer process uses high cpu (backport latest firefox) |
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| 16:50.57 | dontknow | lost_soul, mplayer picture quality is very low. i use mpv player |
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| 16:51.26 | dontknow | it has great quality video output |
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| 16:52.38 | Brigo | dontknow, you know mpv is based in mplayer/mplayer2, right? |
| 16:52.52 | dontknow | yes |
| 16:53.50 | dontknow | mpv has opengl-hq output |
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| 17:00.05 | jelly | ,v mplayer |
| 17:00.06 | judd | Package: mplayer on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:1.0~rc4.dfsg1+svn34540-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 2:1.0~rc4.dfsg1+svn34540-1+deb7u2; sid: 2:1.3.0-6; stretch: 2:1.3.0-6; wheezy-multimedia: 3:1.1.1-dmo4.wheezy1; jessie-multimedia: 3:1.1.1+20150226+svn37375-dmo5+deb8u3; sid-multimedia: 4:1.3.0~20161223.svn37905-dmo2 |
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| 17:11.46 | jelly | ,v fail2ban |
| 17:11.47 | judd | Package: fail2ban on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.8.6-3wheezy3; wheezy-security: 0.8.6-3wheezy3; jessie: 0.8.13-1; stretch: 0.9.6-1; sid: 0.9.6-1 |
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| 17:45.05 | CeBe | hi, can someone explain to me what rpcbind is for except in the case of nfs and why it is installed by default on any debian system listening on port 111? |
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| 17:46.51 | jelly | CeBe: not much, remove it |
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| 17:47.36 | CeBe | sure, going to do that, but what most interests me about this is, why is it installed by default? |
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| 17:48.16 | jelly | CeBe: so you can mount a remote nfs share like /home if your setup is like that |
| 17:48.37 | jelly | CeBe: you can also purge nfs-common |
| 17:49.02 | CeBe | I see, thanks! |
| 17:49.55 | jelly | (that reason's just a guess, I don't know why rpcbind is still present in a base installation) |
| 17:50.11 | SynrG | CeBe: in general, the usual reason is "things a user might reasonably expect to 'just work' wouldn't work without it". not sure on the specifics :) |
| 17:50.30 | jelly | mount.nfs is the only one I can think of |
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| 17:51.55 | jelly | I've have to remove portmap on minimal systems since... dunno, lenny? |
| 17:51.57 | SynrG | yeah. hm. |
| 17:51.59 | jelly | had* |
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| 17:52.44 | jelly | I think fam/gamin was sunrpc based at some point |
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| 17:53.17 | SynrG | on my stretch system, mount Suggests nfs-common (according to aptitude why) and no better reason for rpcbind |
| 17:53.31 | jelly | ,i rpcbind |
| 17:53.33 | SynrG | has the dep softened since jessie? |
| 17:53.37 | judd | Package rpcbind (net, standard) in jessie/amd64: converts RPC program numbers into universal addresses. Version: 0.2.1-6+deb8u1; Size: 40.6k; Installed: 99k; Homepage: http://sourceforge.net/projects/rpcbind/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/rpcbind |
| 17:53.44 | SynrG | ahh, standard |
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| 17:54.08 | SynrG | well, there ya go. optional in stretch. |
| 17:54.22 | SynrG | CeBe: help is on its way! :) |
| 17:54.36 | jelly | so they fixed it for now, until there's s/rpcbind/portmap/ again |
| 17:54.50 | CeBe | nice |
| 17:55.02 | jelly | the default one seems to switch about every decade or so |
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| 18:03.03 | Xploit | hello |
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| 18:22.54 | jdv79 | how come i see this pkg: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/texlive-full but i can't install it? |
| 18:23.27 | jdv79 | oh, nm. i reverted my sources.list... |
| 18:23.30 | jdv79 | bleh |
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| 18:25.56 | brennen | anybody in here happen to be running stretch on a dell xps 13 9360? |
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| 18:27.00 | feinho | hi. I have no more sound after upgrading to debian 9 is thayt a commun bug and is there a fix for that please? |
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| 18:29.30 | dontknow | feinho, have you checked the mixer and play with it? |
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| 18:30.09 | feinho | not yet |
| 18:30.13 | feinho | alsamixer |
| 18:30.16 | feinho | ? |
| 18:30.27 | dontknow | sure |
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| 18:32.28 | feinho | it doesnt work |
| 18:32.38 | feinho | its on 100% |
| 18:32.52 | dontknow | do you have pulseaudio installed? |
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| 18:33.06 | feinho | no |
| 18:33.11 | dontknow | install it |
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| 18:33.15 | feinho | ok |
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| 18:38.12 | feinho | thanks man |
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| 18:39.31 | dontknow | it looks like we all have to install pulseaudio in stretch :/ |
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| 18:43.45 | disi | how do i bypas this (it's running non-interactively) -y doesnt seem to work: https://gist.github.com/dmtucker/b6430c0d032669830fd48aeb4dd93073 |
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| 18:50.02 | n4dir | https://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/09/21/debian-conffile-configuration-file-managed-by-dpkg/ disi |
| 18:50.14 | teraflops | dontknow: hmm I dont think so |
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| 18:53.08 | disi | n4dir: ty ill try that |
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| 18:53.33 | n4dir | yeah, try it. never used it, never heard of it. |
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| 19:09.48 | jhutchins | https://github.com/jimradford/superputty <- great tool if you manage multiple *nix from Windows. Simultaneous commands to multiple ssh sessions. |
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| 19:12.08 | somiaj | sounds dangerous, but I had to install the package that double checks when I run sudo shutdown, as I sometimes forget which machine I'm loged into...:/ |
| 19:12.47 | somiaj | molly-guard is the package |
| 19:13.16 | atannus | I have an issue with stretch, but debian-next is invite-only, can I ask here? |
| 19:13.44 | atannus | I'm unable to record audio with a SoundBlaster Live CA0106 |
| 19:13.58 | somiaj | atannus: #debian-next is on OFTC not freenode. |
| 19:14.01 | atannus | Playback works fine, but I can't record. |
| 19:14.20 | somiaj | use alsa or pulse? Have you checked the mic is unmuted? |
| 19:14.39 | atannus | somiaj: alsa |
| 19:14.49 | somiaj | check alsamixer, make sure the mic is unmuted |
| 19:15.53 | somiaj | if I recall there is also a mic boost level you can turn up, sometimes that is down, but I don't do much recording so I only vaugly know what to check |
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| 19:17.15 | atannus | somiaj: well, by recording I mean capturing in general... alsamixer doesn't show a mic channel, only "CAPTURE"... |
| 19:18.39 | somiaj | hmm, yea been a while. On my very old sblive there is a mic and a line-in, two different things |
| 19:18.44 | somiaj | if there is just one capture, unsure. |
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| 19:20.45 | atannus | somiaj: my mistake, I was looking at the output channels, input has MIC, and it was not muted... |
| 19:21.02 | somiaj | and the mic boost is turned on/up |
| 19:21.21 | somiaj | maybe the software isn't using the correct input device |
| 19:21.43 | atannus | It shows Pulse and Alsa. |
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| 19:21.54 | atannus | somiaj: ^ |
| 19:22.17 | somiaj | and if you set it to Alsa, can you pick the device? |
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| 19:22.37 | atannus | somiaj: yes... CA0106 |
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| 19:23.11 | somiaj | I don't know if I can be of much more help, I'd start looking around the internet for advise |
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| 19:23.38 | atannus | somiaj: already exhausted everything... |
| 19:24.13 | atannus | somiaj: I'm beginning to suspect hardware, but it's unlikely only capture will be shot. |
| 19:25.24 | somiaj | are you using a mic? |
| 19:25.38 | atannus | somiaj: yes... |
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| 19:26.04 | atannus | somiaj: mic works on the onboard sound card but not on soundblaster. |
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| 19:27.27 | somiaj | go check the alsa model for that card, it could be there are various models, and the model being detected doens't congirure the mic input correctly |
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| 19:28.08 | somiaj | I know with the intel sound cards and having all sorts of different configuration of ports this is sometimes needed to get the ports to be configured correctly |
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| 19:31.13 | atannus | somiaj: even weirder... I can monitor the mic so it IS capturing. |
| 19:32.43 | atannus | Also, when I run "arecord | aplay" I don't get any output. |
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| 19:35.42 | fearnothing | hi |
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| 19:35.48 | fearnothing | having trouble mounting an nfs share |
| 19:36.06 | fearnothing | it's mounted on other boxes fine, but that was ages ago |
| 19:36.08 | fearnothing | trying on a new one |
| 19:36.21 | fearnothing | it just hangs, no error message, until I ctrl-c |
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| 19:36.28 | atannus | somiaj: could this be a conflict? I see 3 sound devices installed, one of them is an NVidia, which I think is the HDMI audio from my video card. They are both IRQ 17 |
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| 19:36.40 | fearnothing | I can see a few packets hitting the port, but not a lot |
| 19:36.45 | fearnothing | any ideas what might be happening? |
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| 19:40.40 | disi | debian taking notes from windows now? :p |
| 19:40.42 | disi | W: Failed to fetch http://get.docker.io/ubuntu/dists/docker/main/binary-amd64/Packages Undetermined Error [IP: 52.22.146.88 80] |
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| 19:42.26 | somiaj | atannus: unsure |
| 19:42.50 | somiaj | disi: why are you trying to use a ubuntu source on debian, that won't be supported by us |
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| 19:43.08 | greycat | plus it's *docker* (shudder) |
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| 19:47.07 | ecdhe | I was considering packaging some software for debian and publishing it. However, when the software updates, I would want to re-package it, test it, and publish the newer version as well. |
| 19:47.25 | ecdhe | Are there any examples of maintainers doing this with continuous integration software like jenkins? |
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| 19:49.00 | missmbob | ecdhe: there is #jenkins |
| 19:49.12 | somiaj | ecdhe: debian is a frozen system, so if you are trying to get the packages into Debian, that is not how debian works. |
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| 19:49.48 | somiaj | ecdhe: updates can be provided via backports, but when making a package, you would have to support a frozen version, and then provide newer versions for those who want it. |
| 19:49.58 | somiaj | ecdhe: or are you wanting to just provide your own third party packages? |
| 19:50.12 | ecdhe | somiaj, third party packages |
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| 19:50.58 | somiaj | ecdhe: in this case you can do what you want, but I would suggest you read the debian new matainer's guide and debian policy to try to keep your packages as high of quality as possible, otherwise your repo will get a bad repetation (such as dotdeb) |
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| 19:51.20 | ecdhe | Contributing to debian proper would be amazing, but I'm not sure if I've got what it takes. |
| 19:51.49 | somiaj | ecdhe: If you make good packages, all it really takes is a desire to get the software in Debian and a sponsor. The first step is making a good quality package |
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| 19:56.27 | ecdhe | soniaj, finding a sponsor means meeting in person and getting your key signed, right? |
| 19:57.03 | somiaj | ecdhe: nope, it means filing a RFS bug and waiting for a debian matainer to have enough interest to review your package. |
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| 19:57.15 | somiaj | ecdhe: I have only ever talked to my sponsor a few times over email. |
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| 19:57.56 | somiaj | ecdhe: the developer needs to get a key, you won't be allowed to upload packages into debian, but you will be repsonaible for the package, and the sponor is just a gateway to ensure your package is high enough quality and will sign/upload it for you. |
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| 20:02.20 | somiaj | ecdhe: but before you get to that stage, you should have a good quality package, which is why I suggested trying to build packages for your software that meet debian policy and quality guidelines. |
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| 20:03.44 | ecdhe | Sounds good! I have built packages (for myself) before and followed as many guidelines as were prudent in my use case. My goal would be to automate as much as possible so that new releases would be easy to build and test. |
| 20:04.10 | somiaj | !uupdate |
| 20:04.10 | dpkg | uupdate (in the <devscripts> package) upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision, or e.g. if the newest foo in debian is 1.2, and upstream is at 1.4: apt-get source foo; wget -nd http://foo.org/foo-1.4.tar.gz; cd foo-1.2; uupdate ../foo-1.4.tar.gz Ask me about <package recompile>. |
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| 20:04.45 | somiaj | ecdhe: anyways there are tools to help things out, but there will usually need to be some manual checking of things. Lintian is a good tool for that. |
| 20:05.17 | brennen | ecdhe: as far as building packages from CI, i suspect a lot of people are doing that kind of thing using various ad hoc pipelines |
| 20:05.23 | somiaj | ecdhe: on irc.oftc.net there is #packaging to ask about general packaging questions and #debian-mentors when trying to get a package into debian. |
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| 20:05.49 | brennen | i don't have anything great to point you at, but i have a general sense that it exists. |
| 20:06.16 | somiaj | there might even be a debian-helper script for it, there are for lost of things like perl or python or ruby packages, etc |
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| 20:10.48 | fhggff | Can someone help me install pip on kali linux? sudo apt-get install python-pip returns "Unable to locate package python-pip" |
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| 20:11.00 | fhggff | I have updated and upgraded apt |
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| 20:11.02 | missmbob | !kali |
| 20:11.02 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
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| 20:38.03 | Release_ | greetz i was curious how to change system time settings |
| 20:38.10 | Release_ | at the moment i have it set to : America/New_York |
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| 20:38.29 | missmbob | !timezone |
| 20:38.29 | dpkg | A time zone is the standard time (aka local time) in a particular region. To change the timezone on Debian systems, execute "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata". Alternatively: "cp -b /usr/share/zoneinfo/$TZ /etc/localtime". Note that tzselect(1) does not change the timezone. Postfix users: execute "service postfix restart" to update localtime in the chroot. |
| 20:38.45 | Release_ | i would like to change to europe amsterdam time |
| 20:39.07 | greycat | Use dpkg-reconfigure tzdata, as the bot said. |
| 20:39.11 | Release_ | ok |
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| 21:19.24 | Ormu | looks like Nemo file manager "hijacks" the desktop when using a DE/WM other than Cinnamon (iceWM in this case) |
| 21:19.59 | Ormu | background changes, and iceWM logout doesn't always succeed if Nemo is running on background |
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| 21:23.54 | krishna | Can't start deluge daemon with systemd |
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| 21:24.36 | greycat | What version of Debian? What did you try? What was the result? What did you expect instead? |
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| 21:25.31 | krishna | Jessie, Raspbian, Installed deluged and deluge-web, created deluged.service |
| 21:25.39 | missmbob | !raspbian |
| 21:25.39 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 21:26.06 | missmbob | btw there is a #deluge that may be more helpful |
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| 21:27.05 | greycat | If "installed deluge and deluge-web" means you built things from upstream source instead of installing packages, then chances are you just didn't create the systemd unit correctly (or you forgot to run systemctl daemon-reload, or something). |
| 21:27.21 | krishna | http://pastebin.com/b18KJwvK |
| 21:27.40 | lafleurdubien | Is there any way to install packages on a Live USB image and have them persist after reboot? |
| 21:28.02 | zykotick9 | notes on debian stable, he manually runs deluged <- doesn't need to be done often ;) |
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| 21:28.41 | greycat | It appears to be a systemd unit file with NO meta information such as what its filename is, or what commands he ran, or errors, or anything. |
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| 21:29.33 | krishna | I don't see any error in /var/log/syslog or /var/log/messages |
| 21:29.44 | krishna | filename is deluged.service |
| 21:29.57 | greycat | PATH NAME |
| 21:29.57 | krishna | sudo systemctl start deluged |
| 21:30.03 | greycat | Where IS it? |
| 21:30.21 | krishna | /etc/systemd/system/deluged.service |
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| 21:30.33 | greycat | OK, that's the correct location. And "systemctl status deluged" says what? |
| 21:31.01 | krishna | says nothing, that's the problem. I don't know what is going wrong |
| 21:31.40 | krishna | I try to start the deluge daemon as debian-deluged user and it works perfectly with the command line arguments |
| 21:31.59 | greycat | Did you forget to run daemon-reload? |
| 21:32.19 | greycat | 16:27 greycat> ... (or you forgot to run systemctl daemon-reload, or something). |
| 21:32.34 | krishna | No, it asked me to do daemon-reload, did it, still not running |
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| 21:33.10 | greycat | In that case, I don't know. Go ask #raspbian. Maybe they did something different to their systemd. |
| 21:33.20 | krishna | How do I make systemd to give more helpful message, at least tell me what is going wrong |
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| 21:33.29 | tomcres | ,v mame |
| 21:33.30 | judd | Package: mame on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 0.146-5; jessie/non-free: 0.154-3.1; sid: 0.182-1; stretch: 0.182-1; jessie-multimedia: 1:0.160-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 1:0.182-dmo1 |
| 21:33.39 | krishna | Ok, thanks. |
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| 21:35.56 | mutante | i wish there was "kaillera" :) that was once the thing that let you use Mame over the Internet |
| 21:36.23 | mutante | multi-player with original arcade pacman and stuff, was much fun. but Windows, and then Mame stopped supportng the project |
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| 21:51.31 | velix | How can I figure out all packages, which need a specific library? |
| 21:52.16 | apathor | `apt-cache rdepends` maybe velix |
| 21:52.23 | velix | apathor: thx |
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| 22:00.40 | Walex | velix: it is also quite useful to use 'aptitude' for that as it has a very nice package and dependency browser |
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| 22:01.44 | Walex | velix: http://www.sabi.co.uk/blog/13-one.html?130414#130414 for many examples |
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| 22:02.56 | sim590 | How can I show info about a package I just installed. |
| 22:02.58 | velix | Walex: thx |
| 22:03.17 | petemc | sim590: dpkg -l foo |
| 22:03.31 | monoxane | [very off topic] anyone care to do a survey on ipv6 adoption for me (school requires me to collect primary data), you dont need to have ipv6 to do it, https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeNrPaBQKyPoyKj8n8IFve_wGCjCROUQFt_9AuP2-GOUlE1Nw/viewform |
| 22:04.10 | sim590 | petemc: I want complete info displayed as `apt show` does. However, apt show does only show info about the latest package. But I want the info of the package installed. |
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| 22:05.26 | petemc | sim590: im no aware of a way to do that. you could do both and substitute info where necessary |
| 22:05.39 | sim590 | I guess I can do apt show -a <pkg>, but it doesn't only show the installed package. |
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| 22:11.25 | kion | can someone just outline me the process of migrating from Debian 8 to 9, will it be only a 'apt-get dist-upgrade' command or is it more elaborate? Sorry is it is a stupid question, I just don't know... |
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| 22:16.27 | monoxane | wait debian 9 is out? |
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| 22:17.33 | missmbob | frozen |
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| 22:21.14 | missmbob | kion: no that's pretty much it. the install guide will tell you if there any known gotchas |
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| 22:21.41 | missmbob | kion: assuming you changed your sources.list to say stretch, that is |
| 22:22.38 | kion | missmbob, so I will have to modify my sources.list? and then do the apt-get update/upgrade? |
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| 22:23.13 | missmbob | kion: yes. you want to do dist-upgrade |
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| 22:34.03 | kion | missmbob, thanks |
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| 22:35.39 | velix | !seen kebap |
| 22:35.39 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'kebap', velix |
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| 23:05.13 | ddybing | Loves Debian as desktop OS |
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| 23:06.10 | spont4e | - AwAy: Go to sleep |
| 23:06.17 | teraflops | ._. |
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| 23:07.15 | Masterhackerpro2 | Hi. |
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| 23:11.02 | crash_ | hey |
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| 23:12.04 | Masterhacker2004 | Hey crash_ |
| 23:12.07 | Masterhacker2004 | (1 |
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| 23:14.39 | crash_ | So you are a masterhacker then? |
| 23:14.50 | missmbob | !chat |
| 23:14.50 | dpkg | This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 23:18.51 | crash_ | indeed my bad |
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| 23:27.48 | somiaj | !tell spont4e[0xff] -about away |
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| 23:39.10 | somiaj | hmm, how do you ignore hidden files with rsync and resursive. I've tried --exclude=".*", but that doens't seem to exclude the hidden files nested inside my directory tree. |
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| 23:40.20 | somiaj | hmm, seems I may have to look into --filter |
| 23:40.21 | tomcres | Have you tried --exclude '*/.*'? |
| 23:40.39 | somiaj | tomcres: oh nice, no I haven't tried that, I was thinking *.* but them I may exclude almost everything |
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| 23:41.58 | somiaj | seems like a filter rule would help, as it provides more options than just --exclude |
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| 23:43.35 | tomcres | I wish I had access to my PC so I could give you a definitive answer. Unfortunately I'm minus a power supply at the moment. ð |
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| 23:44.53 | tomcres | I actually have filters set up on my backup script. I just can't remember anything about it at the moment. |
| 23:46.50 | somiaj | tomcres: I think "*/.*" will work, thanks for the suggestion. |
| 23:47.25 | somiaj | I don't need much, just tired of copying vim cache files back and forth when I forget to close vim and then they end up hiding for a while |
| 23:47.27 | n4dir | an idea would be to use "find" to list all hidden files, including down the dir-tree and write them to a file, then use rsync --exclude-from=FILE |
| 23:48.30 | n4dir | the web gives this: --exclude=".*/" ; but doesn't mention if it works only for the top-dir http://wiki.ljackson.us/Rsync |
| 23:49.16 | somiaj | yea I found '.*' on the web, but '*/.*' may or may not match, depending if * is greedy or not |
| 23:49.32 | somiaj | with filter there is a dir-merge optoin, so that seems to treat each dir as the top level dir for the rules |
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