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| 00:06.49 | yesitsme | hi |
| 00:07.22 | yesitsme | i have a question i want to install debian is it necessary to install the debian desktop env? |
| 00:07.29 | yesitsme | i just use ssh |
| 00:07.50 | hicks__ | you can untick desktop environment during the task selection |
| 00:07.58 | hicks__ | and get just a terminal based install |
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| 00:08.06 | yesitsme | ok |
| 00:08.11 | yesitsme | so thats ok not to instlal it |
| 00:08.17 | yesitsme | thanks |
| 00:08.23 | hicks__ | be sure to tick ssh server in that list too |
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| 00:08.32 | yesitsme | yes i have :D |
| 00:10.32 | n4dir | somiaj: that seems to work with a quick test on dir with hidden files, and another subdir also with hidden files : rsync -auv --filter=-' .*' test/ test_backup |
| 00:10.58 | n4dir | http://blog.mudflatsoftware.com/blog/2012/10/31/tricks-with-rsync-filter-rules/ |
| 00:11.15 | n4dir | i seem to recall there is an rsync irc channel though |
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| 00:16.51 | lafleurdubien | Is there a way to install packages from a Live USB session and have them persist after reboot? |
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| 00:19.31 | missmbob | lafleurdubien: you can install directly to the usb stick. then you can do whatever you want like a regular install |
| 00:21.09 | lafleurdubien | missmbob: So I create a bootable live usb drive, boot up using it, run the installer, and then select the USB drive as my install destination? |
| 00:22.00 | missmbob | lafleurdubien: close. i'd do one flash with the installer and one flash as install destination |
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| 00:24.39 | n4dir | i wouldn't use the installer of the live-iso's though. |
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| 00:28.18 | missmbob | i keep hoping they quit making live isos |
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| 00:29.11 | n4dir | yeah, that would be the best. i guess |
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| 00:39.02 | yesitsme | hi again, whats the most and best secure vpn server for debian? |
| 00:39.36 | missmbob | i dont know about best.. |
| 00:39.41 | missmbob | !openvpn |
| 00:39.41 | dpkg | OpenVPN is a <VPN> daemon, which can securely tunnel IP networks over one UDP or TCP port. Packaged for Debian, provides "openvpn" ifupdown hooks to <interfaces>. Add "script-security 2" in configuration files for use of external commands. Debian 8 "Jessie" users: see https://bugs.debian.org/785200 (fixed at openvpn 2.3.4-5+deb8u1, ask me about <spu>). https://openvpn.net/ #openvpn on irc.freenode.net. See also <easy-rsa>. |
| 00:40.07 | yesitsme | so you recommend this one |
| 00:40.07 | yesitsme | ok |
| 00:40.09 | yesitsme | thanks |
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| 01:53.52 | arcvile | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:54.26 | arcvile | why no one talks? |
| 01:56.13 | arcvile | was wondering if anyone know how to get rid of mprotect vulnerbility |
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| 02:01.44 | jdarc81 | does anyone know how to git rid of the mprotect vulnerbility ?> |
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| 02:03.12 | jdarc81 | or a way to persue towards it like Makefile modifications ect... |
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| 02:04.51 | abrotman | Yeah, no one would notice you quit and joined with a new nick .. |
| 02:06.53 | jdarc81 | well arcvile was my old nick i use to use, i use to play everquest with that nick, but kinda dull so i changed to this one |
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| 02:08.33 | jdarc81 | plus i dont understand the meaning of what you stated anyways, a nick is a nic... it is the messages that matter i though |
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| 02:09.50 | jdarc81 | if noone wants to help thats fine... just been hacking at it to long and figured you guys would help me |
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| 02:11.41 | jdarc81 | well i will try efenet, see you guys later |
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| 03:04.08 | x032cx | any idea when the jessie archive will be available again |
| 03:04.24 | x032cx | tried few mirros with no luck |
| 03:04.47 | x032cx | mirrors* |
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| 03:05.39 | abrotman | x032cx: it should be availbale now |
| 03:05.55 | abrotman | x032cx: which mirrors have you tried? what error are you getting? |
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| 03:06.23 | x032cx | abrotman:just tried to get an install from ftp.us no luck |
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| 03:09.13 | abrotman | x032cx: pastebin your sources.list (paste.debian.net) |
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| 03:10.38 | x032cx | abrotman:was doing a netinstall which worked previously, just think that some other reason not my sources.list |
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| 03:10.54 | abrotman | x032cx: does your internet generally work? |
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| 03:11.50 | x032cx | abrotman:no network issues here, the mirror says no jessie archive |
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| 03:12.16 | abrotman | x032cx: pastebin your sources.list |
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| 03:12.46 | abrotman | http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/ |
| 03:13.05 | x032cx | abrotman:for that i will have to resume the installation on the host machine |
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| 03:13.41 | x032cx | abrotman:that has nothing to do with my sources.lsit |
| 03:13.57 | abrotman | okay |
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| 03:14.12 | abrotman | the mirror is fine |
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| 03:16.14 | x032cx | abrotman:the first system install just fine couple days ago |
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| 03:17.54 | x032cx | abrotman:the second system can not be installed as the mirror says not jessie available on tis ftp.us |
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| 03:18.35 | abrotman | Again, the mirror is fine. what are your sources.list? are you going through a proxy? |
| 03:20.20 | x032cx | abrotman:no proxy here anyway nvm, whenever i try again ill find the souces.lsit |
| 03:20.35 | abrotman | x032cx: debian.org/mirrors/list .. try other mirrors |
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| 03:21.22 | x032cx | abrotman:am using graphical interface where i get to pick a mirror |
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| 03:21.37 | abrotman | ok |
| 03:22.08 | x032cx | so basically am not sure why this change or behavior |
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| 03:47.06 | bushbush | Hello! |
| 03:47.17 | bushbush | I couldn't run Virtualbox. |
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| 03:47.21 | bushbush | I get this error. |
| 03:48.32 | bushbush | Here's the first error: http://pastebin.com/j1qes6tC |
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| 03:49.34 | bushbush | Scratch that, this is better version of it: http://pastebin.com/z4Fu80yW |
| 03:50.13 | bushbush | Here's the one that followed the first error: http://pastebin.com/g8bD6YJM |
| 03:51.14 | somiaj | do you have the virtualbox module installed? |
| 03:51.29 | somiaj | ,v virtualbox-dkms |
| 03:51.30 | judd | Package: virtualbox-dkms on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports/contrib: 5.1.8-dfsg-6~bpo8+2; sid/contrib: 5.1.14-dfsg-1 |
| 03:51.48 | bushbush | somiaj: What package is it? |
| 03:51.55 | somiaj | you will also need the headers for your current kernel, linux-headers-amd64 for instance |
| 03:52.35 | bushbush | What's the name of the Vbox module? |
| 03:52.49 | somiaj | the package I had the bot look the versions off |
| 03:53.02 | somiaj | dkms will automatically build the module provided you have the linux headers as I said |
| 03:53.51 | bushbush | I just installed the headers. |
| 03:54.01 | bushbush | So do I run apt-get -f install or something? |
| 03:54.29 | somiaj | no, the module just won't build if you don't have the headers installed. It should have built the module when you installed the headers, read the output |
| 03:55.51 | awal1 | ,v linux-headers-amd64 |
| 03:55.52 | judd | Package: linux-headers-amd64 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.16+63~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.16+63; jessie-backports: 4.8+77~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.9+78; sid: 4.9+78 |
| 03:56.23 | bushbush | Ok hold up. |
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| 03:57.08 | bushbush | somiaj: Do I really need the headers? |
| 03:57.20 | missmbob | yes |
| 03:57.25 | bushbush | Hehe I feel I just missed some instrcuctions when I ran /sbin/vboxconfig |
| 03:57.34 | missmbob | no. you need them |
| 03:57.46 | bushbush | Hey I have it running now! |
| 03:57.47 | bushbush | Haha! |
| 03:57.52 | bushbush | Thanks a lot mane! |
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| 04:24.30 | DeaDSouL | hi, I was using eth0 to connect my server to my network... but the cable got damaged by accident.. now I need to use the wlan1 instead till i fix the cable... what i did was, modifying /etc/network/interfaces by adding the needed wlan details,,, then tried to restart the networking by `systemctl restart networking.service` .. didn't help, I tried `service networking restart` .. didn't help... i tried to use 'reload' instead... same thing..... |
| 04:24.30 | DeaDSouL | .. when I tried 'ifdown & ifup' to wlan1 it said that wlan1 is not configured.... so I tried `ip link set wlan1 down` then `ip link set wlan1 up` .... same thing ... even tried to flush it by `ip addr flush dev wlan1` .... but didn't help.... it doesn't want to connect and get the ip.... how to let it connect to my access-point ?? |
| 04:25.52 | DeaDSouL | I'm using debian 8.7 |
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| 04:34.37 | DeaDSouL | anyone....? |
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| 04:37.25 | somiaj | DeaDSouL: networking is not a service in terms of you restart it. Use ifup and ifdown to bring up/down interfaces in the interfaces file. |
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| 04:37.52 | somiaj | that service just brings up the initial state of your network at boot, once your system is running use the networking tools to manage the network |
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| 04:38.50 | DeaDSouL | somiaj: I managed to get the wlan1 interface down and up by using `ip link set wlan1 down/up` but it doesn't want to connect!! |
| 04:40.46 | missmbob | sounds like you should get the kernel from jessie-backports |
| 04:41.36 | DeaDSouL | somiaj: is there any command to let it use the wlan1 details stored in /etc/network/interfaces and connect to my access point? |
| 04:41.56 | DeaDSouL | missmbob: really? just to connect to wifi!!! |
| 04:42.25 | missmbob | DeaDSouL: sounds like it. even if it's not it's worth trying |
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| 04:44.06 | DeaDSouL | missmbob: this issue is an old one... if I reboot it will connect to AP... but why if I change the static ip or change the password, or even using another interface, it doesn't want to until i reboot the system!! |
| 04:45.57 | DeaDSouL | debian used to be better... |
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| 04:49.57 | viscera | Is there some website that lists programming languages in descending popularity, based on debtags? I don't have Debian installed. |
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| 04:53.20 | rjsalts | http://sources.debian.net/ maybe? |
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| 04:54.40 | rjsalts | https://debtags.debian.org/search/ |
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| 05:01.33 | rjsalts | viscera: https://debtags.debian.org/search/?wl=&q=implemented-in%3A%3A*&qf=default |
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| 05:03.05 | rjsalts | viscera: doesn't seem like people do much tagging on that though |
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| 05:09.13 | viscera | rjsalts: thanks anyway |
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| 05:12.04 | rjsalts | viscera: I think you could use codesearch and the filetype:c, filetype:cpp, filetype:js,etc to find files in a particular language and then find package name. Pretty sure codesearch.debian.net has a web api |
| 05:12.56 | rjsalts | viscera: oh, even better, filetype: isn't based on extension, but programming language |
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| 05:28.15 | rjsalts | viscera: but not all are supported |
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| 06:03.25 | CrazyTux | does anybody here knows about Sparky Linux or has used it? |
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| 06:15.39 | somiaj | !sparky |
| 06:15.39 | dpkg | SparkyLinux is a Linux distribution based on <testing>. It is not supported in #debian or #debian-next. http://sparkylinux.org/ See also <based on debian>. |
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| 07:39.25 | heoa | Does Debian 8 Jessie have LTS version available? |
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| 07:40.58 | heoa | Which debian release do you suggest for production server needed to run 4 years? |
| 07:42.57 | arturo | heoa: I would go with stretch |
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| 07:48.02 | lindbergio | Hi. Could someone explain to me why 'apt-get install nvidia-driver/jessie-backports' does not work but 'apt-get install -t jessie-backports nvidia-driver' does? I get the following output from 'apt-get install nvidia-driver/jessie-backports' https://paste.debian.net/plain/913500 and the following output from 'apt-get install -t jessie-backports nvidia-driver' https://paste.debian.net/plain/913501 |
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| 07:50.49 | heoa | arturo: unfortunately stretch not availabel in Azure, do I understand corretly that Debian 7 is the only LTS release currently? |
| 07:52.13 | arturo | heoa: the LTS thing was applied both for squeeze and wheezy as far as I know. Probably will be applied to jessie as well |
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| 07:53.46 | heoa | arturo: so it is better for now to use Debian 8 or is that unstable release? |
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| 07:57.50 | arturo | heoa: debian 8 jessie is not an unstable release. It's considered stable actually. You should use it. The extended LTS support for debian 8 jessie is from May 2018 to end of April/May 2020. More info here: https://wiki.debian.org/LTS |
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| 08:03.59 | spiderman2 | That IP pings so I removed it cause I wont be using it, but its still pinging, odly. Still none of the prior fail IP's ping. Only my main server IP. |
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| 08:16.33 | gr8 | So I have created a file /etc/modprobe.d/thinkfan.conf that contains "options thinkpad_acpi fan_control=1". And restarted my system. But I still get the same error on installing the program. |
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| 08:37.53 | zamba | hi! does debian jessie support teaming? meaning not the old-fashioned bonding of nics, but teaming with the new features? |
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| 08:40.11 | yottanami_ | Hey all |
| 08:40.20 | lindbergio | zamba: Do you mean bonding? https://wiki.debian.org/Bonding |
| 08:40.43 | yottanami_ | I want to mount another hard disk using pcmanfm but I got this message "Not authorized to perform operation" How should I fix it? |
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| 08:42.01 | zamba | lindbergio: no, i mean teaming |
| 08:42.22 | zamba | lindbergio: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/7/html/Networking_Guide/sec-Comparison_of_Network_Teaming_to_Bonding.html |
| 08:42.45 | zamba | what i'm looking for is: "load balancing for LACP support" |
| 08:43.06 | zamba | and: https://tobyheywood.com/network-bonding-vs-teaming-in-linux/ |
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| 08:46.51 | SirCmpwn | I'm having an issue with debootstrap |
| 08:46.58 | SirCmpwn | following this guide: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apds03.html.en |
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| 08:47.14 | SirCmpwn | it seems aptitude is not present in the new system |
| 08:48.01 | SirCmpwn | no dpkg-reconfigure either |
| 08:49.04 | SirCmpwn | find / -name aptitude turns up nothing, it's really not there |
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| 08:49.46 | Rollozuh | SirCmpwn: What about `apt-get install aptitude` ?? |
| 08:50.08 | SirCmpwn | seems to work |
| 08:50.17 | Rollozuh | SirCmpwn: what about `lsb_release -a`? |
| 08:50.28 | Rollozuh | SirCmpwn: Are you sure, you are on a debian system? |
| 08:50.30 | SirCmpwn | let's wait for apt-get install aptitude to finish... |
| 08:50.33 | SirCmpwn | oh lovely it failed |
| 08:50.41 | SirCmpwn | lsb_release not there |
| 08:50.49 | SirCmpwn | debootstrap --arch=amd64 jessie root/ |
| 08:50.59 | SirCmpwn | it appears to be at least somewhat debian |
| 08:52.03 | Rollozuh | How is it failed? |
| 08:52.23 | SirCmpwn | locale-gen not found |
| 08:53.21 | SirCmpwn | I think the first order of business here in this chroot is figuring out locales |
| 08:53.31 | SirCmpwn | I set LANG=C.UTF-8 before entering the chroot per the instructions |
| 08:53.57 | Rollozuh | SirCmpwn: aah, you are on a chroot? |
| 08:54.03 | SirCmpwn | indeed, per the instructions |
| 08:54.07 | SirCmpwn | oh, I linked those before you arrived |
| 08:54.15 | SirCmpwn | following this: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apds03.html.en |
| 08:54.49 | SirCmpwn | it seems to be wrong in a lot of ways, unfortunately |
| 08:55.22 | Rollozuh | SirCmpwn: maybe restart from beginning? |
| 08:55.35 | SirCmpwn | but debootstrap takes like 20 minutes to run ;_; |
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| 08:56.08 | Rollozuh | SirCmpwn: Thats right. It installs your new debian system |
| 08:56.17 | SirCmpwn | with the world's slowest package manager |
| 08:56.29 | SirCmpwn | starting over |
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| 08:56.35 | SirCmpwn | debootstrap --arch=amd64 jessie root |
| 08:57.01 | SirCmpwn | will throw http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian on there for good measure |
| 08:57.03 | Rollozuh | SirCmpwn: oh no. apt-get is fast. fast enough. |
| 08:57.06 | SirCmpwn | or not |
| 08:57.10 | SirCmpwn | because apparently that's not how debootstrap works. |
| 08:57.15 | SirCmpwn | thanks again install docs :D |
| 08:57.50 | SirCmpwn | nevermind, my mistake |
| 08:57.56 | SirCmpwn | helps if you actually add jessie to the command line |
| 08:58.02 | Rollozuh | SirCmpwn: :D |
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| 08:58.49 | SirCmpwn | side note, would be nice if debian was available as a tarball |
| 08:58.58 | SirCmpwn | so I don't have to sit here and watch debootstrap for an hour |
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| 09:00.24 | SirCmpwn | debian is possibly the only distro that spends longer on the install than on the download |
| 09:01.36 | Rollozuh | SirCmpwn: why dont you use an iso-image? http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso |
| 09:02.05 | SirCmpwn | because that's an install media, not a fresh debian install |
| 09:02.11 | Rollozuh | SirCmpwn: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 09:02.50 | SirCmpwn | I mean is there any advantage to that over debootstrap |
| 09:02.55 | SirCmpwn | you still have to, you know, install debian once you have the isos |
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| 09:03.59 | Rollozuh | SirCmpwn: its less difficult |
| 09:04.14 | Iridos | he didn't complain about difficult, though, but about time :) |
| 09:04.24 | SirCmpwn | I mean, now I'd have to mount an iso and chroot into that and bind mount the target directory into it... |
| 09:04.37 | SirCmpwn | I'm scripting this |
| 09:06.48 | Iridos | I missed a simple tar or VM image, too⦠I think it's missing⦠because you can select different tasks at start and there are things like grub that have to be configured on package-install? |
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| 09:07.34 | SirCmpwn | fresh jessie install, no kernel or bootloader, tar'd up and dropped on an ftp server |
| 09:07.38 | SirCmpwn | nice and simple |
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| 09:08.14 | Iridos | I'd want a kernel! |
| 09:08.26 | SirCmpwn | easy enough to chroot in and throw a kernel on that |
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| 09:08.43 | Iridos | maybe that's the thing⦠too many choices for the initial install |
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| 09:09.42 | SirCmpwn | though if I were using a VM |
| 09:09.47 | Iridos | debian-live images can probably just be copied⦠but of course they are also not a normal debian anymore |
| 09:09.48 | SirCmpwn | I'd probably just -kernel |
| 09:10.07 | SirCmpwn | which is what I'll be doing with this chroot eventually |
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| 09:11.44 | SirCmpwn | maybe debootstrap is designed to be slow, to make sure the user has enough time to read a nice book |
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| 09:14.58 | Iridos | well, there's cdebootstrap |
| 09:15.07 | SirCmpwn | I'm 100% positive it's apt being slow |
| 09:15.37 | SirCmpwn | or more generally any of the amalgamation of tools debian calls a package manager |
| 09:15.54 | SirCmpwn | hey it finished |
| 09:16.11 | SirCmpwn | find root -name locale-gen |
| 09:16.13 | SirCmpwn | nothing |
| 09:16.38 | SirCmpwn | it's probably fine, here goes |
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| 09:19.52 | SirCmpwn | seems to be working correctly this time around |
| 09:19.56 | SirCmpwn | no idea what's different /shrug |
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| 09:24.16 | nickstenn | hi folks, I'm trying to understand why Firefox's Ctrl-<num> shortcuts aren't working as expected after doing "setxkbmap -option 'caps:ctrl_modifier'" |
| 09:24.47 | nickstenn | my capslock key works as ctrl for almost everything else, including copy/paste and switching tabs with Ctrl-PgUp/Ctrl-PgDn |
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| 09:25.24 | nickstenn | but neither CapsLock-<num> nor Ctrl-<num> using the actual control key now jump to numbered taps |
| 09:25.27 | nickstenn | *tabs, sorry |
| 09:26.16 | nickstenn | setxkbmap -print reports that "capslock(ctrl_modifier)" is set correctly, and "dconf read /org/gnome/desktop/input-sources/xkb-options" agrees |
| 09:26.21 | LiuYan | hi, does any mirrors have unofficial non-free live CDs ( http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ ) ? |
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| 09:26.35 | nickstenn | any thoughts on what I'm missing? |
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| 09:56.15 | Machine1 | Hi guys. I\ |
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| 09:58.40 | Machine1 | I'm trying to configure my time and date settings to automaticly sync with internet servers but I get the following respond: "Please install and activate NTP support in the system to enable synchronization of your local time server with internet time servers". How do I activate NTP support? |
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| 10:00.42 | Brigo | Machine1, you need to install some ntp package support |
| 10:00.54 | Brigo | maybe ntp ntpdate |
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| 10:02.21 | Machine1 | Brigo: Found it, was called only ntp :d |
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| 10:03.31 | Brigo | Machine1, it could be too. |
| 10:03.43 | Machine1 | Brigo: ye it works now. Ty. |
| 10:03.59 | Brigo | Machine1, np |
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| 10:17.56 | SirCmpwn | god this package manager sucks https://sr.ht/K1dU.txt |
| 10:18.01 | SirCmpwn | this should be trivial for it to sort out |
| 10:18.14 | bazhang | apt? |
| 10:18.27 | SirCmpwn | yes |
| 10:18.30 | jelly | !bat |
| 10:18.31 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 10:18.37 | bazhang | whats the issue with apt |
| 10:19.07 | SirCmpwn | I'll get back to you on that |
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| 10:19.44 | jelly | SirCmpwn: the likely issue is PATH in the root shell you ran that from does not contain /usr/sbin and /sbin |
| 10:19.57 | SirCmpwn | it had /sbin, not /usr/sbin |
| 10:19.59 | SirCmpwn | thank you |
| 10:20.16 | SirCmpwn | what order should everything go in? /sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin? |
| 10:20.34 | jelly | that's pretty much it for root |
| 10:20.48 | jelly | order is... don't remember |
| 10:20.48 | SirCmpwn | how about for normal users |
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| 10:20.57 | SirCmpwn | well, what's your PATH? |
| 10:21.11 | SirCmpwn | (I'm not on debian, I'm preparing a chroot) |
| 10:21.14 | SynrG | not normally in there for normal users. you're welcome to modify your own |
| 10:21.26 | jelly | SirCmpwn: look at /etc/profile |
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| 10:21.29 | SirCmpwn | so you leave the default bash path unmodified |
| 10:21.47 | SirCmpwn | well, firing off the script again |
| 10:21.48 | SynrG | there's no compelling reason to do otherwise |
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| 10:21.53 | SirCmpwn | shrugs |
| 10:22.15 | SirCmpwn | so when is that merged /bin and /usr/bin project gonna happen |
| 10:22.33 | themill | When it doesn't break libraries |
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| 10:22.49 | themill | (soon after stretch is released, I suspect) |
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| 10:37.40 | veek | does amd64 work with single core? (for a rescue disk) |
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| 10:38.36 | veek | i had a i686 cd so i did the install to usb stick but i was wondering if i should have opted for amd64 |
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| 10:44.08 | jelly | veek: number of cores is not related to 64bit support, so yeah |
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| 10:47.51 | tobiasBora | Hello, |
| 10:48.14 | tobiasBora | I just installed xfce and debian, and there are lot's of strange things that happened witht the keyboard |
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| 10:49.40 | tobiasBora | For example, when I hit Ctrl+Alt+t, no console are opened. Instead, xev tells me that the following key is pressed : |
| 10:49.41 | tobiasBora | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:50.04 | tobiasBora | (between the two " it's a square with 14 written inside) |
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| 10:51.04 | tobiasBora | is it normal ? |
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| 10:57.41 | moritz_s | Hi, I want to distribute a VM that uses Debian. Should I use httpredir.debian.org or deb.debian.org as apt mirror for this? |
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| 11:41.37 | pschmitz | which bug severities are considered RC? only critical or also grave, serious, important, normal? |
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| 11:42.32 | themill | pschmitz: in general, above important |
| 11:42.37 | pschmitz | themill: thanks |
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| 12:06.23 | nguyenphi | Is it ok to use debian for web developer? |
| 12:06.28 | rafalcpp | why is Hymie banned from this channel? |
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| 12:10.47 | pschmitz | nguyenphi: Freedom 0: The freedom to run the program for any purpose. |
| 12:10.54 | jelly | rafalcpp: they can ask in #debian-ops about it, someone will take a look when available |
| 12:11.40 | nguyenphi | I'm trying to install debian from sratch just like arch but have troubling install wayland |
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| 12:11.58 | nguyenphi | Is there any guide to install and configure it correctly on debian? |
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| 12:13.28 | n4dir | not sure what you mean with "debian from scratch" |
| 12:15.05 | nguyenphi | n4dir: i'm not install any DE with the installer so that I need to install it mannually |
| 12:15.21 | nguyenphi | n4dir: i'm not sure is it already installed wayland or not |
| 12:15.34 | nguyenphi | n4dir: and how to install and configuring it |
| 12:15.45 | somiaj | !weston |
| 12:15.45 | dpkg | Weston is the reference implementation of a <wayland> compositor (display server), developed by the Wayland project. Available since Debian 8 "Jessie" although very much a work-in-progress. http://wayland.freedesktop.org/ #wayland on irc.freenode.net. |
| 12:15.52 | somiaj | !wayland |
| 12:15.52 | dpkg | Wayland is a display server protocol and implementation library, intended as a simpler replacement for the X Window System. Ask me about <weston>. http://wayland.freedesktop.org/ #wayland on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 12:16.17 | nguyenphi | somiaj: do i need to install any dependencies? |
| 12:16.28 | somiaj | apt will do that automatically |
| 12:16.34 | n4dir | i doubt that it is installed, why should it if no DE or WM is installed?, but just do "dpkg -l | grep -i wayland". |
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| 12:17.15 | nguyenphi | somiaj: i installed it but when run weston nothing happen |
| 12:17.19 | somiaj | waylend is still only a preview, but try to install weston and and maybe xwayland or wayland-protocols |
| 12:17.44 | nguyenphi | somiaj: so it is not stable to use for jessie yet? |
| 12:18.12 | somiaj | stretch it is better, but in jessie it is not really that mature, stretch is slightly better, but waylend still really isn't ready in debian |
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| 12:18.53 | nguyenphi | somiaj: oh god I thought if i check install some DE in the installer it will install the DE with wayland |
| 12:19.26 | somiaj | in stretch gnome and kde may use waylend, but xorg is still the standard |
| 12:20.07 | nguyenphi | somiaj ok So i will stick with xorg |
| 12:20.24 | nguyenphi | somiaj: thank you |
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| 12:20.39 | somiaj | but afiak weston is what is needed, but I don't know the details. I personally am just fine with xorg |
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| 12:21.14 | n4dir | imho debian is a distribution which is rather known for being conservative. The latest and greates shiny new stuff doesn't get implemented fast. Some exceptions may be found, think of systemd, but in general a different distro is probably better for such needs |
| 12:21.16 | somiaj | in stretch it seems gnome and kde can use waylend |
| 12:21.40 | nguyenphi | somiaj: i love to install everything I need in Linux just like arch |
| 12:21.56 | nguyenphi | somiaj: but i prefer a more stable system |
| 12:22.04 | nguyenphi | somiaj: so i try debian |
| 12:22.19 | n4dir | somiaj: i seem to recall someone said for gnome in testing it would be default (but as i don't care for gnome or wayland, i may recall incorrect). |
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| 12:22.41 | somiaj | n4dir: I think it is, but unsure on those details. |
| 12:22.53 | n4dir | ah, good. So it might at least be worth a try |
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| 12:23.34 | nguyenphi | I just want customize and everything work just fine |
| 12:23.50 | jelly | nguyenphi: consider asking in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (different irc network!), for testing and unstable questions |
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| 12:29.41 | n4dir | nguyenphi: i think the best approach for a rather stable experience is to stick to one distro and make sure to know it well. Debian stable is known for being outstanding stable though, easy and comfortable too. So it would be a good choice |
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| 12:30.57 | SirCmpwn | how do I configure passwordless SSH? I tried `PermitEmptyPasswords yes` but no change |
| 12:31.11 | n4dir | else a good backup of the OS helps quite a bit to get the system up and running quickly (in case of serious problems ) |
| 12:32.43 | jelly | SirCmpwn: passwordless ssh is enabled by default. |
| 12:32.55 | SirCmpwn | no, it's not |
| 12:33.02 | SirCmpwn | but the answer is add ssh to /etc/securetty |
| 12:33.17 | jelly | SirCmpwn: yes it is, when keys are used. |
| 12:33.26 | SirCmpwn | that's not what I was asking for, was it |
| 12:33.27 | unborn | SirCmpwn: ah there are 3 things you will need to edit.. also ssh should be restarted |
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| 12:33.39 | unborn | hold on I will paste you simple way to do it |
| 12:33.42 | jelly | SirCmpwn: that's logging in without use of password |
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| 12:33.48 | jelly | so, passwordless |
| 12:33.54 | klys | petty |
| 12:33.56 | SirCmpwn | well I was pretty damn clear about what I wanted |
| 12:33.58 | SirCmpwn | piss off |
| 12:34.07 | n4dir | besides the password you will have to enter to make use of the key ... |
| 12:34.11 | SirCmpwn | unborn: PermitEmptyPasswords yes plus add ssh to /etc/securetty works |
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| 12:34.52 | jelly | (enabling empty passwords is a security issue, but may be useful on isolated, secure networks) |
| 12:35.55 | SirCmpwn | I know what I'm doing and I asked for what I needed, not for a lecture about what you think I need |
| 12:36.11 | jelly | the lecture is not for you |
| 12:36.17 | klys | there shall be no disputations |
| 12:36.29 | n4dir | flamewars would be ok though |
| 12:36.44 | SirCmpwn | I'm sure everyone else benefited from your crusade too |
| 12:36.46 | SirCmpwn | many thanks |
| 12:36.48 | themill | SirCmpwn: The rest of the world means using an ssh key when they say "passwordless ssh"; your ssh is not passwordless, there is a password and it is empty. You can call that clear if you want, but it wasn't to those trying to help you and you can take that agro and shove it in /dev/null, thanks. |
| 12:37.14 | SirCmpwn | in the very same line I made it quite clear what I was referring to |
| 12:37.20 | themill | Do check the protocol documentation for whether that's key exchange or password exchange. |
| 12:37.59 | n4dir | jes, problem solved, a tiny misunderstanding in the middle of solving it. No need to get excited over it. |
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| 12:38.02 | SirCmpwn | and he was in fact doing the opposite of helping me |
| 12:38.11 | SirCmpwn | so I have no problem telling him to shove it up his ass |
| 12:38.16 | themill | You keep saying "very clear" and yet everyone was confused. I wonder if clarity can be unilateral. |
| 12:38.26 | SirCmpwn | uh-huh. |
| 12:38.32 | themill | SirCmpwn: nor do I. That's more than enough of your crap, thanks. |
| 12:38.39 | klys | the spirit of contention is of the devil |
| 12:38.41 | SirCmpwn | uh-huh. |
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| 12:39.25 | unborn | SirCmpwn: here you go http://paste.debian.net/913533/ |
| 12:39.32 | unborn | enjoy |
| 12:39.37 | SirCmpwn | jesus christ |
| 12:39.45 | klys | thou. shalt. not. |
| 12:39.47 | SirCmpwn | if I wanted to use an ssh key I wouldn't have asked about PermitEmptyPasswords |
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| 12:41.28 | unborn | eh.. sorry for feeding the troll.. i just did not realised |
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| 12:43.17 | n4dir | unborn: i am pretty tired, but the creation of the key and the copy to the server seem a bit complex. I think i would go for ssh-copy-id (and while creating the key, just give it the path to where it shall be stored). |
| 12:43.24 | n4dir | but only a sidenote. thanks for it |
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| 12:44.03 | unborn | n4dir: oh yes when you do multiple keys you should specify your ssh config - it makes life much easier |
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| 12:44.13 | n4dir | ah, yeah, too tired, understood it better now. my fault. sorry |
| 12:44.34 | n4dir | unborn: yup, i am a big fan of ~/.ssh/config |
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| 12:45.56 | unborn | n4dir: not your fault at all. its about knowledge and share. anyway I think I did not make it clear to end user how to do it but - it was clear to me and within my hope to fellow linux users.. (sorry for that) |
| 12:46.06 | unborn | if any mistake there.. Im sorry. |
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| 12:47.10 | n4dir | i never used empty password, so understanding it took me a bit (but worked pretty quick in the end). Thanks for it, like said |
| 12:47.26 | unborn | n4dir: you welcome :) |
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| 12:57.01 | KjetilK | Fairly obscure question from here: Does qmail in Debian execute /var/lib/qmail/bin/qmail-remote , which symlinks to /usr/sbin/qmail-remote or does it execute the latter directly? |
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| 12:58.19 | jelly | KjetilK: very likely the latter |
| 12:58.42 | jelly | symlinks provided for user's (root's) convenience |
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| 12:59.03 | unborn | KjetilK: i think it does execute it latter |
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| 12:59.36 | jelly | (I'm guessing, since using a local build and not debian's, but that's the easier, less intrusive way to make it work) |
| 12:59.46 | jelly | unborn: have you ever used qmail |
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| 12:59.56 | unborn | jelly yes |
| 13:00.00 | jelly | why |
| 13:00.02 | unborn | 7 times |
| 13:00.32 | KjetilK | unborn, jelly, ok thanks! |
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| 13:01.03 | unborn | jelly: as replacement for sendmail on local machine |
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| 13:01.35 | unborn | for emails from my laptop regards ip changes and disk usage and other stuff..it was long time ago |
| 13:01.43 | blinkingprompt | hey guys, i installed the wrong graphics driver and now obviously the screen is blank, pretty sure i can do "apt-get purge nvidia* && apt-get autoremove" to fix it, just not sure how to get to a terminal =/ |
| 13:01.58 | teraflops | has not used qmail in this century |
| 13:02.26 | unborn | was using it in gentoo.. long time ago.. jelly |
| 13:02.29 | blinkingprompt | help |
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| 13:02.54 | unborn | blinkingprompt: im not familiar with this but you can restore some stuff |
| 13:03.14 | teraflops | blinkingprompt: use a debian iso, boot in rescue mode, chroot, fix, reboot |
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| 13:03.42 | unborn | blinkingprompt: do /etc/init.d/gdm3 stop then cd /etc/X11 then Xorg -congigure |
| 13:03.46 | n4dir | with a wrong graphic driver you don't get a tty anyway? |
| 13:03.51 | jelly | blinkingprompt: or log in remotely via ssh if you had the foresight to install openssh-server |
| 13:04.02 | blinkingprompt | jelly, heh...clever but no go |
| 13:04.16 | blinkingprompt | can't i access the command line from grub |
| 13:04.31 | unborn | blinkingprompt: then copy new conf from root into /etc/X11/xorg.conf then /etc/init.d/gdm3 start and then startx |
| 13:04.46 | unborn | you should have your gui back.. (i use gnome.. sorry about it) |
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| 13:05.19 | blinkingprompt | do you mean recovery mode? |
| 13:05.28 | blinkingprompt | i can't boot from recovery mode in the grub screen? |
| 13:05.37 | jelly | you can certainly try |
| 13:05.47 | blinkingprompt | it seems to get hung...maybe wait longer? |
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| 13:07.12 | unborn | blinkingprompt: that should give you basic gui back.. then you can play with your nvidia things.. |
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| 13:08.17 | blinkingprompt | recovery mode take a long time to boot up? |
| 13:08.24 | n4dir | no |
| 13:09.00 | n4dir | just do chroot like proposed above. It is quick. |
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| 13:09.16 | n4dir | quicker than figuring out other ways, it seems |
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| 13:13.21 | KjetilK | yep, confirmed it was definitly the latter qmail-remote that was executed |
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| 13:13.50 | KjetilK | yeah, my email setup is rather arcane :-) |
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| 13:14.06 | unborn | :) |
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| 13:15.00 | KjetilK | I'm hacking qmail-remote now to enable DKIM |
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| 13:15.19 | KjetilK | but I'm using qpsmtpd in front of qmail to be able to hack stuff |
| 13:15.33 | KjetilK | in the smtp dialog |
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| 13:18.12 | unborn | KjetilK: heh that is more complex thingy to do.. sendmail or sendemail would be easier.. |
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| 13:18.39 | unborn | are you sure KjetilK ? :) |
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| 13:21.28 | unborn | KjetilK: perhaps you would like to play here is some link to help you with it.. http://notes.sagredo.eu/node/92 (2016) - please note that I have not been using qmail for years.. since I did learn dns and other lovely things.. - this should get you going where you want to be. |
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| 13:22.31 | unborn | ...have fun |
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| 13:25.44 | teraflops | yeah I remember qmail was about hacking/patching most of the time :D |
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| 13:27.35 | unborn | teraflops: yeah indeed I remember those times too. imho it was not bad times back in a days I must say.. it was working awesomely however as one learn about newer things - im sorry, I just left.. :) |
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| 13:30.04 | unborn | (them) |
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| 13:32.50 | jelly | DammitJim: just ask your question |
| 13:32.54 | jelly | !ask |
| 13:32.54 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 13:33.20 | jelly | if your question was advertising a different channel, please don't do that |
| 13:33.23 | DammitJim | how to do you guys approach performing upgrades of software from the IT perspective? |
| 13:33.38 | DammitJim | no, no way. if I was advertising, I would shoot myself first |
| 13:34.04 | DammitJim | my team has been assigned the task to upgrade a software suite |
| 13:34.06 | jelly | test in the testing environment when there is one, then make a prayer and deploy in production as well |
| 13:34.18 | DammitJim | thanks jelly! |
| 13:34.27 | DammitJim | we have a test environment, but the question is, how much do we test? |
| 13:34.32 | DammitJim | I mean, we are NOT the ones who use the software |
| 13:34.35 | jelly | have 2+ ways to undo changes |
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| 13:34.52 | DammitJim | do you normally get help from the users for testing? |
| 13:34.56 | jelly | DammitJim: people using the software have to test, not you |
| 13:35.05 | DammitJim | or is the burden ALL on my team to ensure there are no issues? |
| 13:35.35 | DammitJim | jelly, is that really the case? |
| 13:35.50 | DammitJim | I mean, I'm getting push back because the "users" don't have time to test |
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| 13:35.56 | DammitJim | yet, I am being asked to keep software up to date |
| 13:36.38 | DammitJim | it is ridiculous, though (sorry to vent)... the software is so complex and it's not like we can know every single thing about the software to ensure it's a proper upgrade |
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| 13:36.40 | DammitJim | or am I out of line? |
| 13:36.52 | jelly | this is more about internal policies |
| 13:36.54 | DammitJim | please punch me in the gut if I'm exhagerating? |
| 13:37.18 | DammitJim | yeah, that's the thing. The policy as it stands right now is that when we perform an upgrade, it needs to be perfect |
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| 13:37.27 | DammitJim | and we are in charge of doing all the testing |
| 13:37.40 | tobiasBora | Hello, |
| 13:37.50 | jelly | make it in writing you need people actually using the software have to do testing and acceptance |
| 13:37.54 | unborn | DammitJim: - well from my very own prospective of ict.. here - i do clone disk to vdi.. then boot it up in virtualbox and then apply all updates as they go.. then investigate - to my custom scripts everything within debian just works :) within windows.. just do snapshot and then update and test it.. if you not like a bit of it.. block updates in gp and go back to snapshot.. - same with apple. |
| 13:38.03 | DammitJim | what's ict? |
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| 13:38.12 | Iridos | that doesn't sound so very possible⦠well, it's ok if you have a test suite that you run⦠when it passes the software is ok, if it doesn't it's not *shrug* |
| 13:38.13 | unborn | DammitJim: google it. |
| 13:38.21 | klys | icthyosaur |
| 13:38.39 | DammitJim | thanks unborn |
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| 13:38.50 | DammitJim | so, you DO test everything for your users before the upgrade is performed, huh? |
| 13:38.50 | Iridos | (passes == passes with no more errors than it had before) |
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| 13:39.00 | unborn | DammitJim: no problem.. enjoy.. |
| 13:39.11 | Iridos | if there is no test suite⦠I'd say if it starts and can run a single trivial operation it's "ok" |
| 13:39.13 | DammitJim | no, not enjoying this one.. I'm praying a LOT to make sure I'm doing the right thing |
| 13:39.23 | tobiasBora | I don't know if it's the good place to post, but when I install KDE, bluez is installed, but not pulseaudio-module-bluetooth, so it's not possible to connect without following these quick steps : http://askubuntu.com/questions/801404/bluetooth-connectionDDD-failed-blueman-bDDDluez-errors-dbusfailederror-protocol-no |
| 13:39.29 | tobiasBora | ouups |
| 13:39.29 | DriesS | I sync my hwclock in rc.local but one script in init is starting before, how can I change the order of an init script with initvsys? |
| 13:39.30 | DammitJim | Iridos, yeah, that's not good enough from what I was told |
| 13:39.32 | tobiasBora | http://askubuntu.com/questions/801404/bluetooth-connection-failed-blueman-bluez-errors-dbusfailederror-protocol-no |
| 13:39.45 | unborn | DammitJim: yes.. one machine - virtual machine would be enough to do your task.. test updates, read logs etc.. on any system |
| 13:40.06 | Iridos | DammitJim, maybe you asked the wrong question⦠tell them they should give you a test suite that is good enough |
| 13:40.08 | tobiasBora | Maybe it would be interesting to install by default pulseaudio-module-bluetooth with kde-full |
| 13:40.09 | unborn | once you satisfied with all things DammitJim then you know its safe to deploy.. |
| 13:40.12 | jelly | DammitJim: if you can't get resources officially, then talk to your users, find someone willing to invest a bit of time to look at functionality of the test env. |
| 13:40.17 | DammitJim | unborn, I'm talking about a system that works with 7 different servers and there are also plug-in updates |
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| 13:40.38 | unborn | DammitJim: yes.. |
| 13:40.42 | unborn | me to DammitJim |
| 13:40.50 | jelly | DammitJim: so... office politics. |
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| 13:40.56 | DammitJim | jelly, so, this is normal? |
| 13:40.56 | unborn | you can create as many virtual env as you want.. |
| 13:41.17 | jelly | DammitJim: talking to people is sometimes inevitable yes :-) |
| 13:41.18 | DammitJim | this week, I'm feeling very discouraged by the task at hand |
| 13:41.26 | DammitJim | LOL. I love my office space |
| 13:41.57 | unborn | DammitJim: here in gov - in uk - it needs to be properly sanitised before deployed.. I hope you get my msg. |
| 13:42.13 | DammitJim | no, I don't get your message |
| 13:42.27 | DammitJim | there are just waaay too many things to test |
| 13:42.32 | DammitJim | I think that's what I can't wrap my head around |
| 13:42.33 | unborn | DammitJim: then I am sorry for my English |
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| 13:42.56 | DammitJim | jelly, so, I'm taking notes... a good suggestion is to talk to the users and ask for their help? |
| 13:43.04 | unborn | - you are sysops - so deal with it in proper way |
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| 13:43.40 | DammitJim | right, what is the proper way? that's what I'm trying to learn |
| 13:43.41 | jelly | DammitJim: they will be the ones to suffer if shit gets deployed, so very much yes |
| 13:44.06 | DammitJim | thanks jelly I like the emphasis with the s**t word! |
| 13:44.10 | DammitJim | brb.. meeetings |
| 13:44.25 | Iridos | DammitJim, get clear instructions on what exactly to test, then automate that as far as possible⦠the only other way I see is that testing happens after the upgrade in production and small things can then still be fixed |
| 13:44.27 | unborn | ...proper way is to cover your bum..in end of the day - you would and is responsible for anything on your network.. even if you not like it.. (office politics) |
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| 13:45.47 | kody90 | hello what is freezed kernel version for stretch? |
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| 13:47.54 | missmbob | kody90: yes |
| 13:48.02 | blinkingprompt | can i put up to rescue mode from live installer? |
| 13:48.08 | blinkingprompt | live version* |
| 13:48.11 | blinkingprompt | boot* |
| 13:48.12 | blinkingprompt | fuck |
| 13:48.15 | unborn | he |
| 13:48.17 | unborn | h |
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| 13:49.06 | blinkingprompt | the iso i chose wanted me to pick a root file system and error'd out on all of them |
| 13:49.08 | blinkingprompt | :( |
| 13:50.13 | tomcres | From what I've heard here the live installer is broken. You should try installing from the regular install ISO. |
| 13:50.47 | moritz_s | Hi, I want to distribute a VM that uses Debian. Should I use httpredir.debian.org or deb.debian.org as apt mirror for this? |
| 13:50.55 | blinkingprompt | im not installing |
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| 13:51.07 | missmbob | !httpredir issues |
| 13:51.08 | dpkg | The <httpredir> service selects bad mirrors for some people. If you're one of them, try explicitly choosing a mirror: "deb http://ftp.XX.debian.org/debian jessie main" etc. (where XX is your, or a nearby, country code) or use the <deb.debian.org> CDN. Avoid using the US mirror round robin; ask me about <mirror list> <ftp.us.debian.org>. |
| 13:51.21 | missmbob | moritz_s: i'd use deb ^ |
| 13:51.34 | tomcres | Deb.Debian.org is better. Httpredir has some issues still. |
| 13:52.20 | moritz_s | Ok, thanks! |
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| 13:54.54 | unborn | missmbob - thanks as well! |
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| 14:03.13 | blinkingprompt | wow |
| 14:03.21 | blinkingprompt | i am going to have to reinstall the whole oS |
| 14:03.26 | blinkingprompt | all because of the wrong graphics driver |
| 14:06.13 | blinkingprompt | unborn: WAIT |
| 14:06.20 | blinkingprompt | i was able to boot recovery after removing graphics card |
| 14:06.21 | blinkingprompt | wf |
| 14:06.22 | blinkingprompt | wtf |
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| 14:07.36 | unborn | blinkingprompt: you dont have to.. you know that.. however once you installed wrong gf drivers - I would suggest you to do that... unless you advanced linux user - it would be easier for you.. and it will save you an time - huge time |
| 14:07.42 | blinkingprompt | die die die nvidia drivers, DIE!!!! |
| 14:07.50 | blinkingprompt | lol |
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| 14:08.13 | unborn | blinkingprompt: yes - nvidia is shit (dont ban me please - its just my expression) |
| 14:09.00 | unborn | blinkingprompt: if you did install on first place with separate home partition, install should be very fast and easy ;) if not.. then just reinstall it |
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| 14:11.35 | mlkkk | what is TCPAbortOnData from netstat -s ? |
| 14:13.30 | unborn | mlkkk: dont know.. why dont you see it for your self in your own terminal? |
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| 14:14.21 | mlkkk | i am looking the reason, that I see this counter growing |
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| 14:19.36 | avian | mlkkk, first result on Google "We were in FIN_WAIT1 yet we received a data packet with a sequence number that's beyond the last one for this connection, so we RST'ed." |
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| 14:23.18 | Keitaro | hello all |
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| 14:24.02 | Keitaro | in my /etc/passwd file i have a line gustfl:x:0:0,,,:/home/gustfl:/bin/bash |
| 14:24.02 | Keitaro | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:24.12 | Keitaro | why i can't delete the user ? |
| 14:24.21 | Keitaro | thx in advance for your answers |
| 14:25.13 | josecapurro | @Keitaro have you tried sudo userdel -r gustfl |
| 14:25.16 | josecapurro | ? |
| 14:25.43 | Keitaro | no i just do deluser gustfl |
| 14:25.49 | Keitaro | it is not the right command ? |
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| 14:26.20 | josecapurro | @Keitaro just a different one. Try it and tell us if it worked. |
| 14:26.33 | Keitaro | it said that user didn't exist |
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| 14:28.07 | avian | Keitaro, your user has uid=0. deluser won't remove root accounts by default |
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| 14:28.23 | Keitaro | i create a user gustfl and i change the uid and gid in the file is it bad ? |
| 14:28.31 | Keitaro | oh |
| 14:28.40 | Keitaro | i go to change that |
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| 14:30.10 | josecapurro | window 2 |
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| 14:40.52 | veek | how do i get sound on debian - beep works, it's unmuted using alsamixer |
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| 14:41.10 | veek | but mplayer says no audio and alsamixer lists the device |
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| 14:42.54 | missmbob | veek: using pulseaudio? |
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| 14:44.53 | veek | missmbob, hmm i don;t think so |
| 14:44.58 | missmbob | veek: pgrep pulseaudio |
| 14:45.15 | veek | nope |
| 14:45.39 | missmbob | then i dont know. i've forgotten everything about alsa |
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| 15:02.32 | Iridos | missmbob, luckily, don't need to ^ ^ |
| 15:02.37 | Iridos | dpkg, alsa checklist |
| 15:02.38 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
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| 15:45.37 | AlexLikeRock | hi |
| 15:45.44 | AlexLikeRock | Mattiax, |
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| 15:45.57 | Chrismeister | Hello everyone. Do you have any suggestions for laptops that are very Debian-friendly? |
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| 15:48.52 | AlexLikeRock | yes |
| 15:49.24 | Chrismeister | AlexLikeRock: ok thx |
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| 15:53.48 | AlexLikeRock | debian its friendly |
| 15:53.58 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:54.46 | AlexLikeRock | Chrismeister, to add "non-free" and "contrib" |
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| 16:02.54 | Chrismeister | AlexLikeRock: Ok, but I wondered if there are any Laptops that are suitable to run Linux on. |
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| 16:04.04 | OS-23606 | #Offsec |
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| 16:06.13 | AlexLikeRock | Chrismeister, all laptops run GNU |
| 16:06.23 | veek | are there any advantages to moving to 64 bit.. i installed 32 bit on my usb rescue |
| 16:06.36 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:06.42 | AlexLikeRock | check out https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 16:07.20 | AlexLikeRock | check out if ; OK or Only works with a proprietary driver and/or firmware |
| 16:07.34 | tomcres | 64-bit will take advantage of more (and wider) registers in the CPU and run faster |
| 16:08.08 | MCMic | After installing gitlab package on stretch, how are we supposed to change the root password? |
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| 16:08.50 | MCMic | None of the commands I find online are existing: no gitlab-ctl, no gitlab-rails⦠|
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| 16:13.29 | petn-randall | !debian-next |
| 16:13.30 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 16:13.59 | petn-randall | MCMic: stretch/sid support is on another channel, see above. ^^^ |
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| 16:21.08 | MCMic | petn-randall: thanks |
| 16:21.44 | MCMic | Why another server -_- |
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| 16:21.50 | greycat | !oftc move |
| 16:21.50 | dpkg | irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00012.html. Operators and bots (see <fact sharing>) will remain on both networks for the foreseeable future; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on Freenode. Questions? Ask in #debian on one or other network. See also http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/04/msg00333.html |
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| 16:26.57 | tw | I'm happily surprised that I can (so far) reliably hibernate my desktop to encrypted swap and wake it back up, requiring a luks passphrase. No configuration besides the encrypted LVM option when installed. |
| 16:27.05 | tw | Are there any caveats I need to be worried about? |
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| 16:27.42 | Peppernrino | still muted? |
| 16:27.46 | Peppernrino | oh good. |
| 16:27.49 | tw | For example, after a kernel/initrd/bootloader update without reboot? |
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| 16:28.40 | Peppernrino | can anyone easily explain why i need sudo for debian servers, and not for u****u? |
| 16:29.20 | greycat | Are you asking "why doesn't debian install sudo by default"? Because it's not required for traditional unix admin work. Install it if you want it. |
| 16:29.39 | Peppernrino | i wasn't, but that is also useful. haha |
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| 16:29.51 | Peppernrino | why i need to use sudo* |
| 16:29.52 | greycat | Then what are you asking? |
| 16:29.57 | greycat | You don't. |
| 16:29.58 | epsilon | just go su and work as root |
| 16:30.08 | Peppernrino | duh. i should try that. |
| 16:30.11 | klys | or login |
| 16:30.14 | unborn | Peppernrino: what are you asking ??? |
| 16:30.17 | Peppernrino | lol working on someone else's script. :) |
| 16:30.37 | unborn | Peppernrino: still.. what are you asking? |
| 16:30.43 | Peppernrino | he had it set up to work as a user. |
| 16:30.53 | Peppernrino | i only need one answer guys. thanks. :) |
| 16:31.08 | epsilon | i never understood why to attach sudo in every single command |
| 16:31.10 | unborn | so ask the question Peppernrino |
| 16:31.11 | unborn | :) |
| 16:31.16 | unborn | - thanks |
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| 16:31.27 | Peppernrino | i got my answer |
| 16:31.30 | Peppernrino | pay attention |
| 16:31.36 | mfranzwa_ | 'Sudo Mastery' contains everything you likely need to know, plus a whole lot more, about sudo.https: //www.michaelwlucas.com/tools/sudo |
| 16:31.46 | unborn | epsilon: well that is simple.. use google for this one. |
| 16:31.54 | Peppernrino | sweet. ty mfranzwa |
| 16:31.56 | Peppernrino | :D |
| 16:32.15 | Peppernrino | any guides on help to set up a server with bash scripts? |
| 16:32.20 | unborn | Peppernrino: thanks for notifying me :) i will do. |
| 16:32.33 | greycat | Peppernrino: copy them to /usr/local/bin and use chmod +x to make them executable |
| 16:32.48 | Peppernrino | hehe. i'm that far |
| 16:32.59 | unborn | Peppernrino: as greycat said.. that would work for you. |
| 16:33.03 | Peppernrino | i've actually made some nice stuff. |
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| 16:33.22 | Peppernrino | but i'm honestly new to linux and commandline as a whole. |
| 16:33.30 | unborn | - just leave this out to older folks |
| 16:33.32 | Peppernrino | like starting deving in april. |
| 16:33.39 | Peppernrino | i'm old as shit. |
| 16:33.49 | Peppernrino | just lotsa debian hubris happening. :P |
| 16:34.05 | Peppernrino | last time i asked about ppas, and some dick banned me. :D |
| 16:34.14 | unborn | Peppernrino: nope you are not.. i would never called you old folk - you have zero - knowhow.. sorry. |
| 16:34.16 | greycat | Debian does not use "PPA"s. |
| 16:34.27 | Peppernrino | old as shit = 35 |
| 16:34.29 | greycat | You were probably banned because you are actually using Ubuntu. |
| 16:34.40 | unborn | im 37 :D |
| 16:34.46 | greycat | You're both fucking young. |
| 16:34.47 | unborn | so... i was right |
| 16:34.48 | Peppernrino | so, not a kid, and not an old man. somewhere in between... desiring common respect. that's all. :) |
| 16:35.11 | Peppernrino | it's like, just answer the question lol |
| 16:35.18 | unborn | endorse greycat |
| 16:35.46 | Peppernrino | it always gets into some argument about whether or not i belong here. i came here for help because i don't know what i'm doing. making fun of me is just a waste of time. |
| 16:36.01 | greycat | Then ask a Debian question. |
| 16:36.10 | Chrismeister | Hehe, what do Debian users think about Ubuntu users? |
| 16:36.14 | Peppernrino | i am making scripts for debian and ubuntu. |
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| 16:36.25 | Peppernrino | i asked my debian question. quit putting me on the spot thx. |
| 16:36.28 | unborn | Peppernrino: i am very arrogant person my self - very very very much stupid and idiotic... - i know linux and debian. - do you have same ? |
| 16:36.43 | TomTomTosch | Chrismeister: lots of people here use both. ubuntu is just not supported in this channel. |
| 16:36.47 | Peppernrino | like i said, i've started deving in april, and i've learned a lot. |
| 16:36.48 | Peppernrino | not here. |
| 16:36.53 | Peppernrino | but other places. |
| 16:36.59 | greycat | You see, when you say "I am making scripts for debian and ubuntu" WHAT WE SEE IS "I am using ubuntu and I am asking in #debian because you guys are smarter than #ubuntu and I am going to take advantage of you and be all smarmy about it too" |
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| 16:37.05 | Peppernrino | holy shit |
| 16:37.05 | Chrismeister | TomTomTosch: ok |
| 16:37.06 | unborn | Peppernrino: no one seems to know the answer - please do not blaim us |
| 16:37.13 | Peppernrino | that's called "seeing what youu want to see" |
| 16:37.17 | Peppernrino | lol |
| 16:37.22 | Peppernrino | anyway |
| 16:37.25 | Peppernrino | focus up guys |
| 16:37.29 | Peppernrino | i've been answered. |
| 16:37.31 | Peppernrino | stop. :) |
| 16:37.39 | greycat | !enter |
| 16:37.39 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 16:37.52 | unborn | - Peppernrino perhaps you wait here for longer time and ask your question here again or - just dont spam. - thanks. |
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| 16:38.04 | Peppernrino | if only you had rules for your conduct... |
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| 16:38.28 | klys | chrismeister, debian is pretty stable when it comes to basic systems. if you need desktop managed stability then ubuntu may be for you, just don't fool yourself. there are as many reasons to trust a debian system as there are bugs. |
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| 16:40.52 | unborn | klys: sorry to say this but debian gnome is more stable then ubuntus desktop.... regards my ram and disk readings.. |
| 16:41.01 | unborn | *much more stable |
| 16:41.14 | klys | unborn, that's a gnu project |
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| 16:42.00 | unborn | klys: yeah - debian is gnu it self isnt it? |
| 16:42.06 | klys | yes |
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| 16:42.11 | unborn | so??? |
| 16:42.11 | greycat | Ehh... sort of. |
| 16:42.28 | klys | seldom to never has a point. |
| 16:42.37 | unborn | greycat: sure sir but end of the day its still gnu :) |
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| 16:42.55 | greycat | It's a mixture of software from GNU, from Linux, from Debian itself, from ISC, etc. |
| 16:43.07 | greycat | GNU is certainly a major part. |
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| 16:43.51 | tomcres | Fsf tends to overestimate the gnu component |
| 16:43.55 | unborn | klys: it did - see me.. 7 years hosting my sites and git from my own.. never need it any 3th parties... i am very well stable - making business on that stable things.. - just see it on your own eyes. |
| 16:44.23 | aatwood | well, GNU is hurd. ;^) |
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| 16:44.50 | unborn | - i am living example... |
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| 16:45.35 | klys | unborn, in ponting out that similarity I refer to the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which is in spirit similar to the Free Software movement's GNU philosophy. |
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| 16:46.30 | unborn | klys: - yes sure - I am the same.. point of writing to me directly? |
| 16:46.35 | unborn | ..is? |
| 16:47.00 | klys | unborn, i'm not sure, and the dude who was asking about ubuntu just left |
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| 16:47.39 | SerajewelKS | is there any web API that can be used to obtain a list of past DSAs? (aside from the mailing list HTML archives) |
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| 16:48.09 | greycat | !udd |
| 16:48.10 | dpkg | The Ultimate Debian Database (UDD) is an effort to gather lots of useful information about Debian from a variety of sources and stuff it all into a giant PostgreSQL database. http://wiki.debian.org/UltimateDebianDatabase http://udd.debian.org/ |
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| 16:48.11 | unborn | klys: i was never talking about ubuntu sorry chap.. anyway ubuntu - you can load windows 10 policy about this crapware.. - if you dont care - just hit install and dont ask any more. |
| 16:48.20 | greycat | If it's not in there, then I don't know. You could ask the debian-security channel. |
| 16:49.14 | unborn | klys: ubuntu is not debian - in no way..! please remember that. |
| 16:49.26 | greycat | unborn: klys: WHY ARE YOU TWO TALKING ABOUT THIS SHIT |
| 16:49.29 | klys | unborn, s/asking about ubuntu/asking your opinion of ubuntu as a debian subscriber/ |
| 16:49.56 | unborn | greycat: great point.. - fuck I dont know :D |
| 16:49.58 | SerajewelKS | greycat: hmm, interesting. my goal is to have new DSAs sent to a channel in our corporate chat server. i could configure a mail account just for that, though i'm trying to figure out if there's an easier way. |
| 16:50.24 | greycat | Subscribing a mail account that receives them and transmits them onward sounds like a winner to me. |
| 16:50.43 | unborn | klys: welcome to debian chan.. ubuntu is not debian.. anyway you are welcome to ask any debian os related question. |
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| 16:51.10 | SerajewelKS | just any time i deal with trying to automatically process mail i wind up down a rabbit trail somewhere because something doesn't work and i ultimately give up, or i get it working and feel like it's all a big kludge that could fall over at any time |
| 16:51.23 | han-solo | ah! too many swears in one frame :} |
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| 16:52.22 | unborn | his opinion on ubutu is - its just juck fucking rubbish by uk company - do not use it.. and do not ask here if you use it... |
| 16:52.58 | han-solo | be polite, there can be kids in here too :} |
| 16:53.11 | unborn | ...ubutntu is just rubbish and bad.. han-solo sure.. I am sorry for that. |
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| 16:54.02 | TomTomTosch | SerajewelKS: depending on what chat software that is, there probably already is a plugin that can handle that. |
| 16:54.11 | unborn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:54.44 | SerajewelKS | TomTomTosch: there isn't, but right now i'm looking at mailin as a way to bridge the two |
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| 16:57.06 | SillyTalker | 2 questions: can i create an UEFI bootable chroot to start off with insteaf of a traditional installation? secondly: is there any good window manager geared at tablets? (its for a surface pro 2 installation, i wanna multiboot beteen the sd and internal ssd) |
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| 16:57.50 | klys | sillytalker, do you have a working kernel booted or are you trying to crack your uefi windows installation? |
| 16:57.52 | SillyTalker | i read some linux distros install the bootloader on the disk regardless of the settings... which is why im a little hesitant and i wanna make sure i dont overwrite the bootloader |
| 16:58.01 | unborn | SillyTalker: dd command will sort you out.. regards 2nd question.. not sure - use gnome...and then go from there? |
| 16:58.09 | SillyTalker | although that is fixable as well, its just some work and i dont wanna do it lol |
| 16:58.16 | unborn | (i use gnome my self - so thats why) |
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| 16:58.22 | Somelauw | What package contains PyQt5.QtWebEngineWidgets if any? I tried installing pyqt5-dev, but that didn't work. |
| 16:58.46 | SillyTalker | klys, i can boot a usb live installation if needed, right now no linux is on this device |
| 16:58.52 | unborn | Somelauw: try ask yourslef question like ,v package |
| 16:58.55 | unborn | here |
| 16:59.08 | Somelauw | ,v PyQt5.QtWebEngineWidgets |
| 16:59.09 | judd | No package named 'PyQt5.QtWebEngineWidgets' was found in amd64. |
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| 16:59.16 | klys | sillytalker, you need to write a few .efi files to your vfat-fs uefi system partition. |
| 16:59.17 | greycat | Wrong command, unborn |
| 16:59.17 | unborn | see its working Somelauw |
| 16:59.21 | SillyTalker | unborn, you mean dd for the backup of the bootloader lol? |
| 16:59.32 | greycat | Is "PyQt5.QtWebEngineWidgets" the name of a file? |
| 16:59.47 | Somelauw | It's a python module |
| 16:59.55 | greycat | Do you know what file it would be in? |
| 17:00.07 | SillyTalker | klys, how do i find out what files and the entire procedure? do you know of any good link? i mostly found confusing stuff so far |
| 17:00.13 | SillyTalker | which is why i came here |
| 17:00.17 | unborn | SillyTalker: ah you was not about to create bootin stick.. sorry just re-read my options thanks to greycat |
| 17:00.24 | Somelauw | Most likely a directory PyQt5 with a file called QtWebEngineWidgets.py but i'm not sure |
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| 17:00.37 | Somelauw | ,v QtWebEngineWidgets |
| 17:00.38 | judd | No package named 'QtWebEngineWidgets' was found in amd64. |
| 17:00.42 | Somelauw | ,v QtWebEngineWidgets.py |
| 17:00.43 | judd | No package named 'QtWebEngineWidgets.py' was found in amd64. |
| 17:00.49 | greycat | Please just STOP. |
| 17:00.54 | SillyTalker | unborn, well a bootable sd card with a rootfs, sorry, i said chroot before |
| 17:00.55 | unborn | SillyTalker: yes dd can be used to backup any part - if you know what disk you backing it up |
| 17:00.57 | greycat | judd, file QtWebEngineWidgets.py |
| 17:01.00 | judd | No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 17:01.09 | klys | sillytalker, uefi is still new to me, I brought up an os (not debian) with efi/kvm the day before yesterday. I'd probably be a bit more adept at bringing it up manually, myself. |
| 17:01.15 | SillyTalker | unborn, yeah great idea lol, i will make a backup regardless |
| 17:01.22 | SillyTalker | simplifies recovery if needed |
| 17:01.34 | unborn | SillyTalker: dd does do this for you.. you know |
| 17:01.49 | SillyTalker | i know lol |
| 17:01.53 | SillyTalker | i just didnt think of it |
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| 17:02.19 | unborn | greycat: I was not that wrong - he asked I know where I was wrong but in end of the day for sake of simple answer he can clone disk with dd.. cannot he? |
| 17:02.28 | SillyTalker | im not new to linux in general, but uefi is just confusing as hell and i dont wanna risk overwriting the bootloader if i can avboid it |
| 17:02.32 | han-solo | maybe in, pyqt5-tools, i'm not sure |
| 17:02.34 | unborn | greycat: perhaps there is tons of manuals of dd :) |
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| 17:02.52 | SillyTalker | i know how to use dd... lol |
| 17:02.56 | greycat | unborn: You said he should run ",v CamelCasePythonShit" and that was the WRONG COMMAND to search judd for a file. And it turned out not even to be a valid file name. |
| 17:03.04 | unborn | SillyTalker: google it :) |
| 17:03.19 | greycat | And since you had given him the WRONG COMMAND he kept fucking RUNNING IT OVER AND OVER. |
| 17:03.34 | unborn | ah judd.. sure greycat you are very right about this |
| 17:03.35 | unborn | sorry |
| 17:03.36 | unborn | . |
| 17:03.43 | SillyTalker | unborn, again, i KNOW how to use dd |
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| 17:04.07 | unborn | SillyTalker: so why you asking how to use it? |
| 17:04.11 | han-solo | indifferently looks at the aggrevated greycat |
| 17:04.20 | unborn | SillyTalker: <SillyTalker> i know how to use dd... lol |
| 17:04.23 | SillyTalker | unborn, i not, what drugs are you on? |
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| 17:04.41 | unborn | - really? |
| 17:04.44 | SillyTalker | i didnt ask anything whatsoever about dd |
| 17:05.08 | SillyTalker | LSD is nasty |
| 17:05.14 | unborn | - hawk. noted everyone on this chan. perhaps I should not respond at all. |
| 17:05.14 | Somelauw | unborn, greycat: it's not in pyqt5-dev-tools or pyqt5-tools either. I can still use pip --user if everything else fails |
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| 17:05.34 | SillyTalker | unborn, i did not suggest that either |
| 17:05.43 | teraflops | you guys can take it to a pub or #whatever-offtopic too |
| 17:05.52 | klys | sillytalker, I think this is the upstream source for .efi http://blog.hansenpartnership.com/linux-foundation-secure-boot-system-released/ |
| 17:06.13 | SillyTalker | klys, thanks |
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| 17:07.56 | klys | I have looked and, those files are not in debian via https://packages.debian.org/ except afaict. they are neccessary to bring up linux kernels or grub-efi on any uefi "secure boot" system. |
| 17:09.10 | SillyTalker | oh it doesnt need to be signed or anything |
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| 17:09.25 | SillyTalker | you can disdable the secure boot option on the surface pro 2 |
| 17:09.26 | SillyTalker | disable |
| 17:09.38 | klys | then get you grub2-efi and load you your kernels... is all I know how to do |
| 17:10.00 | unborn | SillyTalker: you should ask your lsd - ist nasty.. |
| 17:10.35 | SillyTalker | unborn, go troll someone else |
| 17:10.45 | unborn | im not troll |
| 17:10.49 | unborn | not at all |
| 17:11.07 | SillyTalker | klys, oh so i can install it to the sd card like a regular grub basically? |
| 17:11.09 | greycat | unborn: every line you write creates 10 lines of noise reaction. Please take it to #debian-offtopic. |
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| 17:11.28 | klys | sillytalker, that depends on if you can enable "legacy bios support." |
| 17:11.34 | unborn | noted greycat |
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| 17:11.51 | SillyTalker | klys, it acts all funky, its a hit or miss, thats why i wanna mess with UEFI |
| 17:12.57 | SillyTalker | theres a tool called rufus that is supposed to be able to do this, even from windows, ill investigate more into what it does |
| 17:13.07 | SillyTalker | klys, ^ |
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| 17:13.30 | klys | sillytalker, i'd reccommend booting live and seeing what linux-related tools you can use, if you ask me. |
| 17:13.57 | SillyTalker | klys, i can use anything from a lice usb, i booted one before so i know that works |
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| 17:14.13 | SillyTalker | sorry for typos trying to get used to this tiny keyboard |
| 17:14.36 | klys | forgive me if i misspell neccessary or reccommend |
| 17:15.07 | SillyTalker | im just explaining so you know im not some douchebag who doesnt care about what he types :) |
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| 17:17.25 | SillyTalker | klys, i thinking iĺl debootstrap a rootfs into the sdcard and then try to get an UEFI bootloader installed on the card from whatever OS |
| 17:17.50 | SillyTalker | any reasons to not do this that i might not realize? |
| 17:18.16 | klys | sillytalker, you should be able to get at your .efi files that way. have you been dropped to an efi shell before? |
| 17:18.57 | SillyTalker | klys, not that i remember? lol im clueless on efi sorry... |
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| 17:19.46 | klys | if you haven't then it seems pretty easy a least with this ovmf firmware i've been using if \EFI\BOOT\BootX64.efi is not present you get a shell where you can run the file anyway |
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| 17:22.10 | teraflops | yeah you can use those files for booting qemu images with UEFI support too |
| 17:23.09 | SillyTalker | aha, so i should be able to get into an efi shell somehow, form there i could boot another efi file then the one for windows? |
| 17:23.15 | SillyTalker | ie the one on the sd card? |
| 17:25.10 | SillyTalker | https://wiki.debian.org/GrubEFIReinstall |
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| 17:28.04 | somiaj | SillyTalker: depends on your firmware, some firmware you can browse/select the .efi file to use, others you need to use software to manage it, such as from a live system that is booted into efi mode |
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| 17:29.25 | klys | somiaj, what is the most straitforward method of dealing with .efi files that you are aware of? |
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| 17:30.33 | klys | because if your system requires you to manage .efi files that might enable you to boot live in the first place then that isn't very straightforward |
| 17:30.46 | somiaj | klys: I have been lucky. My firmware has a browser I can just browose the efi partition and select which one to boot from. |
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| 17:31.14 | somiaj | but I've seen others that haven't had such as nice firmware, so you need some software like efibootmgr to manage them. |
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| 17:32.01 | klys | somiaj, with efibootmgr, did you use that on an x86 or arm system? |
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| 17:32.22 | SillyTalker | somiaj, oh, i assumed if i made a /boot on the sdcard, and put grub on there, it would jut work if i try to boot from the usb |
| 17:32.47 | somiaj | klys: I don't think it matters, I assume it can be used on either. YOu do have to be booted in efi mode and the /efi partition afiak. |
| 17:33.06 | somiaj | SillyTalker: not with efi, efi requires a special efi partition where the .efi file goes, that then points to /boot |
| 17:33.32 | somiaj | in essence in my opinion, grub is bit of an overkill on efi systems, since the firmware/efi partition should be able to be your boot manager for different oses (or even kernels) |
| 17:33.56 | somiaj | jessie has gummiboot, but this is now included in systemd with bootctl or something like that. |
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| 17:34.30 | SillyTalker | somiaj, well, im just getting more and more confused |
| 17:34.46 | SillyTalker | i thought it was standard but apperantly there are different implementations? :s |
| 17:35.10 | klys | sillytalker, use efibootmgr from linux after copying your .efi file(s) in and then test with ovmf/qemu |
| 17:35.30 | somiaj | SillyTalker: the standard on how you tolk to the firmware via efibootmgr or other similar tools is the same. That a efi partition is used is the same. What additional features the firmware has to deal with this varries. |
| 17:36.23 | somiaj | some firmware with less features just assumes you are going to manage the efiboot options from the os, not the firmware. Some firmware allows both. I have a limited experience with different firmwares, I just know not all are as nice as mine have been. |
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| 17:36.48 | somiaj | you just can't use a debian live image, need to use a debian install image, or a live image from another distro that supports efi boot. |
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| 17:37.09 | dragoonis | Please help me get apache 2.2 installed on Debian7 (wheezy) !! It's defeating me |
| 17:37.10 | dragoonis | This is my apt-get - https://gist.github.com/dragoonis/cdddf79f6ac3ffee67f4c15a2a2c5e99 |
| 17:37.22 | somiaj | ,v apache2 |
| 17:37.23 | judd | Package: apache2 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.2.22-13+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 2.2.22-13+deb7u7; jessie-security: 2.4.10-10+deb8u5; jessie: 2.4.10-10+deb8u7; stretch: 2.4.25-3; sid: 2.4.25-3 |
| 17:37.57 | SillyTalker | somiaj, the thing is everyone just replaces the bootloader, nobod wants to install it on the sdcard lol, thats where the problem lies |
| 17:38.11 | SillyTalker | and getting it on the sdcard is undocumented from what i can find so far |
| 17:38.28 | SillyTalker | mbr has so much more docs since it was around for so long |
| 17:38.31 | somiaj | dragoonis: we don't support third party sources, why not install the apache 2.2 package in wheezy. |
| 17:38.50 | dragoonis | somiaj, it installs Apache 2.4 by default :( |
| 17:39.11 | somiaj | SillyTalker: do you have a gtp partition table and an efi partition on the sd card? |
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| 17:39.21 | somiaj | dragoonis: are you running jessie and not wheezy? |
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| 17:39.39 | somiaj | dragoonis: look at the bot's output, wheezy will install 2.2.22 |
| 17:39.41 | SillyTalker | somiaj, i have nothing yet, i jut dont know whst to do yet or where to start |
| 17:39.45 | dragoonis | It's wheezy .. how to try "2.2.22-13+deb7u6" ? |
| 17:39.55 | somiaj | dragoonis: what is the output of apt-cache policy |
| 17:40.20 | SillyTalker | somiaj, and i wanna avoid writing it to the main disk, i read some installers actually just write it to the disk regardless of what you set |
| 17:40.28 | somiaj | SillyTalker: unlike legacy (mbr) that puts the boot info on the mbr part of the partition table, efi requires you use a gtp partition table and have a efi partition. Without this you can't install the efi files. |
| 17:40.30 | SillyTalker | im scared of that problem |
| 17:40.48 | somiaj | SillyTalker: you should be able to point to an efi partition on another disk, but I'm not that familar with this. |
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| 17:40.56 | SillyTalker | somiaj, ok so thats a good start and is no problem to do |
| 17:41.05 | TomTomTosch | that dockerfile you posted has "RUN echo 'deb http://www.d7031.de/debian wheezy-experimental main' >> /etc/apt/sources.list" in the first line. install apache from the official wheezy repo instead, if you want 2.2 |
| 17:41.16 | SillyTalker | somiaj, i can tell my surface to boot from the sdcard |
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| 17:41.29 | SillyTalker | somiaj, im assuming it then looks at the sdcard for efi stuff? |
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| 17:42.31 | somiaj | SillyTalker: afiak the firmware should boot from efi partitions, not disks. Are you sure you aren't configuring legacy boot? |
| 17:42.51 | somiaj | SillyTalker: you need an efi partition (fat16 or now I think it can be fat32) |
| 17:42.53 | SillyTalker | somiaj, no, partitions are on disks are they not? |
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| 17:43.15 | somiaj | SillyTalker: well you should be able to point it to the partition (not just the disk like legacy boot) |
| 17:43.18 | SillyTalker | somiaj, so my logic was, if i tell the surface to boot from the sdcard, it will look for an EFI partition on the sdcard |
| 17:43.33 | SillyTalker | somiaj, but i simply dunno if this is the case or not |
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| 17:43.59 | tomcres | Are there any significant drawbacks to using a USB flash drive in lieu of a hard drive? |
| 17:44.11 | SillyTalker | somiaj, well the thing is i can only tell the surface to boot from usb / sdcard by holding a button |
| 17:44.29 | somiaj | tomcres: usb has slow i/o, live systems usually are better because you don't deal with the read/write speeds of usb connections. usb3 is better at this. |
| 17:44.32 | SillyTalker | there is no button for a specific partition, i assumed it just looks at the first partition to see if its EFI |
| 17:44.33 | klys | sillytalker, not only that partition, though also you will need a gpt partition table (gdisk /dev/mmc0blk1 ?) |
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| 17:44.54 | SillyTalker | klys, i got that part covered, no problem :) |
| 17:44.56 | tomcres | Got it. Thanks. |
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| 17:45.32 | klys | sillytalker, and the partition can't be "microsoft basic data" it's supposed to be "efi system" instead |
| 17:45.55 | SillyTalker | klys, huh? |
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| 17:46.11 | klys | sillytalker, gdisk allows you to select the partition type |
| 17:46.33 | dragoonis | I'm installing apache2 on debian7(wheezy) and I get this output - https://gist.github.com/dragoonis/003e39d499c883fab6b7173ed0d57f1c |
| 17:46.42 | SillyTalker | and efi system means fat16? lol |
| 17:46.49 | klys | yes |
| 17:47.20 | SillyTalker | ok, so gpt table, bootable FAT16 primary partition of 100MB, big partition for linux install? |
| 17:47.37 | somiaj | SillyTalker: the efi partition is fat16 and you have to use a gtp partition table and flag the partition as efi correctly. |
| 17:47.44 | klys | sillytalker, there are many sources of advice on how to partition your linux setup. browse |
| 17:47.53 | SillyTalker | somiaj, aaaah its a flag too, alright i didnt know |
| 17:47.55 | somiaj | SillyTalker: 100MB is fine, though partly depends on how many .efi files you want to be on the partition at once. |
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| 17:48.22 | SillyTalker | klys, im asking about the efi part, im familir with other partition stuff |
| 17:48.28 | somiaj | dragoonis: please give the output of apt-cache policy you were asked for |
| 17:48.38 | dragoonis | somiaj, roger that |
| 17:49.34 | klys | sillytalker, i haven't tried this, though there may be a way to boot to regular grub from grub-efi, such as: grub> multiboot (hd1,gpt1)/boot/grub/core.img |
| 17:49.36 | SillyTalker | somiaj, ill take 300 then :) just in case, its a 64GB card anyway, and file storing can happen on the 512GB SSD :-D |
| 17:50.11 | SillyTalker | klys, that is even more confusing lol |
| 17:50.39 | klys | sillytalker, I don't see why you would want any more partitions, no, unless you intend to boot from them |
| 17:51.02 | somiaj | SillyTalker: my experience with efi is this. 1) You need to boot into efi in the first place from an installer or live image. Debian live mages do not support efi, and the debian installer can boot either efi or legacy so you must make sure via your firmware it boots efi. |
| 17:51.16 | SillyTalker | klys, im not saying i want more? im talking about 2, 1 EFI partition, 1 for linux |
| 17:51.24 | klys | yes. |
| 17:51.35 | klys | it is correct. |
| 17:51.53 | somiaj | SillyTalker: 2) you need to use a gtp parition table with a special efi partition. 3) You then use software to talk directly to the firmware via efibootmgr or other tools. The grub-efi package will do this if you still want to use grub, but there are otehr tools. |
| 17:52.26 | SillyTalker | i wanna use whatever makes most sense |
| 17:52.47 | somiaj | SillyTalker: you can still use legacy boot if your device supports it. Also debian does not support secure boot, that needs to be disabled |
| 17:53.00 | klys | sillytalker, actually one partition for linux swap does make sense, about the amount of RAM you have times two. |
| 17:53.11 | SillyTalker | well my surface acts annoying about legacy boot from SD, but UEFI should work... |
| 17:53.51 | SillyTalker | klys, right i forgot to count that partition lol |
| 17:54.17 | SillyTalker | didnt use linux daily for a long time now :( windows only at work... |
| 17:54.27 | klys | somiaj, why does debian not support "uefi secure boot" is it because of dfsg or because no one has packaged PreLoader.efi yet? |
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| 17:55.19 | somiaj | klys: I'm unsure on the details, I know it is at least the later, unsure of any dfsg issues though. |
| 17:55.53 | klys | well the reason I ask is because that is an encrypted binary blob from microsoft and that might violate dfsg |
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| 17:56.16 | somiaj | that could be it, I don't know the defails of secure boot, I just know it isn't supported in debian. |
| 17:56.21 | klys | k |
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| 18:03.16 | Night_Elf | Hui all. There is a new disk I added to a running system. I can see it as the device under /dev/ but I can't see its corresponding UID link under /dev/disk/by-uuid/ . How can I make it that the uuid is there as well? Do I just make something up and manuually create a link to the device ? |
| 18:03.19 | Night_Elf | Hi* |
| 18:03.34 | greycat | UUIDs are usually created for file systems, not disks, right? |
| 18:03.53 | greycat | So you wouldn't have UUIDs to mount until you make file systems, which is done after you make partitions. |
| 18:03.53 | Night_Elf | greycat: yes, sorry about that. |
| 18:04.01 | somiaj | Night_Elf: if there is no partition/filesystem on the disk -- yea as greycat mentioned |
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| 18:05.33 | tw | gpt is an example of a partition table that would have GUIDs per partition. |
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| 18:07.00 | SillyTalker | i didnt know the secure stuff was microsofts |
| 18:07.26 | Night_Elf | greycat: somiaj: I actually want to use this disk (partition in it) as swap. mkswap will then serve as a "file system" creator, thus making the uuid for it ? |
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| 18:08.00 | greycat | You still have to create partitions first, e.g. with parted |
| 18:08.16 | SillyTalker | pretty shocking that they can forcefeed their junk to hardware vendors now |
| 18:08.22 | greycat | But yes, mkswap should create a UUID. |
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| 18:09.10 | Night_Elf | greycat: yes. I have created the partition, with fdisk acttually. And yes, it shows properly under /dev/ |
| 18:09.15 | tw | SillyTalker: it isn't wholely MS', but they are the most commonly preloaded KEKs on TPMs. |
| 18:09.23 | somiaj | Night_Elf: next create the file systems. |
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| 18:09.29 | greycat | Night_Elf: then use mkswap on the partition |
| 18:09.45 | Night_Elf | greycat: sure. I will do that. Thanks for the help :) |
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| 18:20.59 | BluesKaj | interesting, debian wikis block my vpn, "forbidden" error 403...guess they're trying to prevent spamming |
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| 18:21.38 | greycat | Wikipedia blocks my VPS's IP address block, and since I tunnel through my VPS from work to reach the uncensored web, well... no editing. |
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| 18:22.29 | greycat | (By "blocks" I mean "prohibits editing". I can still read.) |
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| 18:27.50 | SerajewelKS | it's per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Open_proxies |
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| 18:28.23 | SerajewelKS | since it's rather trivial to cycle your IP on most VPS providers by simply rebuilding your VPS |
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| 18:28.30 | SillyTalker | somiaj, i should be able to use this to make a boot entry for the sdcard :) http://www.easyuefi.com/index-us.html |
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| 18:28.59 | SerajewelKS | greycat: if you would like to edit you can make a case about your situation for an https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IP_block_exemption |
| 18:29.00 | SillyTalker | somiaj, it gets deleted on windows boot but it has a cli utility so i can run it on boot or shutdown :) |
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| 18:29.40 | greycat | I just do any editing from home instead of work, if I remember. Or more often I just don't remember. |
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| 18:30.30 | SillyTalker | somiaj, more specifically: http://www.easyuefi.com/faq/en_US/Change-UEFI-Boot-Sequence.html (also for logs :p) |
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| 18:34.27 | SerajewelKS | side note, i love it when tech companies employ web filtering junk |
| 18:34.37 | SerajewelKS | as though your entire workforce doesn't know how to get around it |
| 18:35.44 | greycat | I would bet that 85% of them can't get around it from their desktop PCs. But they could certainly get around it using their personal cell phones. |
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| 18:36.05 | SillyTalker | rogue APs popping up all the time lol |
| 18:36.14 | dax | my workplace "blocks tor". by "blocks tor" i mean "blocks torproject.org" lmao |
| 18:38.03 | n4dir | in general i like the idea to treat employees as children. |
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| 18:38.51 | BluesKaj | n4dir: good luck with that :-) |
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| 18:39.04 | unborn | n4dir: man - you should get some rest too :D |
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| 18:39.39 | n4dir | unborn: soon. Last few cigarettes. |
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| 18:40.09 | SerajewelKS | at one place i worked, just to see if i could, i set up a debian virtualbox VM as a router for the windows host's traffic -- bridge the physical windows adapter to a vbox adapter and disable ipv4/ipv6 on the bridge, then have a second vbox adapter with an ip. vm routes from that adapter to the other for intranet stuff, otherwise routes over a VPN interface to my home LAN. |
| 18:40.16 | n4dir | nice quote, though more of a dream: The internet considers censorship as failure and routes around it. |
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| 18:43.35 | moonpunter | How can I have an older version of OpenSSL simultaneously installed with the new one? It's not ideal, but I have at least one program that is not ready for use with 1.1. |
| 18:44.15 | somiaj | moonpunter: what version of debian? |
| 18:44.22 | greycat | Libraries normally coexist just fine. |
| 18:45.01 | greycat | libssl1.1 (stretch) and libssl1.0.0 (jessie) do not conflict |
| 18:45.25 | hassoon | 'evening |
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| 18:51.04 | moonpunter | Thanks greycat |
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| 18:56.03 | Ormu | so Nemo file manager seems to "hijack" the desktop when it's started with IceWM (and apparently some other WMs as well), desktop background changes and logout from iceWM doesn't work after that as Nemo is still running even after the window is closed. Should this be reported as a bug? |
| 18:56.53 | Ormu | Also, Nemo doesn't seem to start on the first attempt (from IceWM menu) unless certain Gnome/Cinnamon background stuff is running (these are started when Gnome/Cinnamon software is started) |
| 18:58.28 | tomcres | I don't think Nemo is meant to be used apart from cinnamon |
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| 19:04.51 | Ormu | tomcres: hm |
| 19:05.30 | Ormu | if the devs think so... |
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| 19:06.16 | unborn | !ops checking |
| 19:06.16 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: unborn complains about: checking |
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| 19:07.30 | pos | Anyone know how to check only the free space on an ext4 part for bad blocks? I know there is a bad block in the 5% remaining space and I'd like to avoid spending hours checking the occupied space |
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| 19:08.25 | tomcres | Shouldn't the hard drive manage remapping the block internally? |
| 19:10.58 | rudi_s | If you write to it. |
| 19:11.16 | rudi_s | pos: I'd run badblocks on the whole disk and let it find the bad block. |
| 19:12.11 | greycat | That "5% remaining space" is probably scattered all over the place, not a contiguous chunk. |
| 19:12.37 | pos | ofc |
| 19:12.56 | pos | but the fs must know which blocks are free and occupied |
| 19:13.09 | abrotman | unborn: wtf was that? |
| 19:14.05 | abrotman | unborn: instead of highlighting all the ops, try to PM the bot .. try not to annoy everyone |
| 19:14.07 | unborn | abrotman: nothing.. I was just checking who is an op in the room.. there is no list and ops does not have its mark as usual.. sorry if that wake you up from sleep |
| 19:14.21 | abrotman | unborn: /msg chanserv help ; please stop goofing around |
| 19:14.25 | unborn | I did not know I can pm the bot |
| 19:14.28 | unborn | sorry |
| 19:14.36 | pos | This is a 12TB array, so checking the entire fs will take days |
| 19:14.40 | abrotman | seriously? you didn't know you could PM the bot? how long have you been here? |
| 19:14.45 | abrotman | dpkg: tell unborn about msgthebot |
| 19:14.48 | unborn | not goofing, just checking |
| 19:15.15 | abrotman | unborn: hint ... ask how to check .. |
| 19:15.17 | unborn | heh sorry for upseting anyone here.. im just normal user asking the questions |
| 19:16.16 | unborn | abrotman: thank you and I am sorry.. I got your message and I understand - I am so deeply sorry! |
| 19:16.34 | rudi_s | pos: If it's unused space, then the next write will cause the disk to reallocate the block, so it shouldn't matter. |
| 19:16.51 | SerajewelKS | pos: what raid level? |
| 19:17.00 | greycat | Reminds me of certain users who've been in #bash for over a decade and still don't know the most basic shell syntax. |
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| 19:18.08 | SerajewelKS | pos: because if there is even one bad sector, i would strongly consider replacing the disk now |
| 19:18.24 | rudi_s | +1 for that. |
| 19:18.28 | pos | i know |
| 19:18.58 | pos | i'd like to just get it up an running for a few hours, then do the downtime and disk migration tonight |
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| 19:19.18 | pos | nothing in smart reports, though |
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| 19:21.02 | SerajewelKS | pos: if it's a mirrored set then you could also just not worry about it and let the raid system do its thing |
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| 19:24.28 | SerajewelKS | if it's a striped set only then you must not care that much about your data ;) |
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| 19:33.00 | Machine1 | hey guys. I'm trying to delete a network bridge but my statement is wrong it says. Can someone please tell me how to remove the bridge in the correct way? https://paste.debian.net/913589/ |
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| 19:35.15 | thursdaylark | Does any package provide terminfo for tmux-256color? |
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| 19:35.41 | xdjayl | ip link set virbr3 down, then brutal delbr virbr3 |
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| 19:36.01 | xdjayl | brctl delbr virbr3 |
| 19:37.28 | Machine1 | xdjayl: Works. Ty. |
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| 19:44.05 | SillyTalker_ | somiaj, wish me luck i might have found a way to get a linux going in a single step writing it to the sd card straight from windows boot stuff included |
| 19:44.15 | SillyTalker_ | writing to the sd now :) |
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| 19:44.50 | poeticrpm | I just did a fresh install of Debian jessie on an old macbook. Everything works, but I have a really strange problem. For some reason, whenever I go to logout in the menu and go to restart/shutdown/suspend, it just logs out. However, pm-suspend works, and if I add action buttons to the panel, they work as well |
| 19:45.38 | poeticrpm | im trying to make this less confusing for a linux noob, so any wisdom that might help me out... I dont see anything except a xfce4-session segfault in journalctl |
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| 19:47.03 | poeticrpm | so I guess im trying to understand what the difference is between the menu that pops up from clicking the logout button in-menu vs the action buttons on the panel |
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| 19:50.45 | thursdaylark | How do I find which package provides a file? |
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| 19:51.52 | tomcres | You can ask Judd by typing: ,file foo |
| 19:51.52 | petemc | dpkg -S /path/to/file |
| 19:51.52 | dpkg | Dingos ate my /path/to/file! |
| 19:51.55 | greycat | if you already have the file, dpkg -S filename |
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| 19:52.15 | greycat | if you don't already have the file, login to IRC and /msg judd file filename, or use packages.debian.org, or install apt-file |
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| 19:52.59 | thursdaylark | Thanks! |
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| 20:06.25 | OreoCos | hi |
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| 20:27.47 | unborn | dpkg: i love your reply of Dingos ate my /path/to/file! |
| 20:27.48 | dpkg | unborn: i don't know |
| 20:27.53 | unborn | sure |
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| 20:28.45 | unborn | love bots - just useful one |
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| 20:37.25 | ToothyTom | Where can I find instructions for installing nvidia-xconfig? |
| 20:37.53 | greycat | Whatever you're reading, I would stop reading it and read https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers instead. |
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| 20:38.42 | ToothyTom | greycat: thats what I'm reading. I got to configuring xorg.conf |
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| 20:38.57 | greycat | it's an actual package? |
| 20:39.01 | greycat | ,v nvidia-xconfig |
| 20:39.02 | judd | Package: nvidia-xconfig on amd64 -- wheezy/contrib: 304.48-1; wheezy-backports/contrib: 340.46-1~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 340.46-1; sid/contrib: 375.26-1; stretch/contrib: 375.26-1 |
| 20:39.08 | greycat | Oh. OK. |
| 20:39.21 | unborn | ToothyTom: whats your actuall package to install? |
| 20:39.44 | greycat | Make sure you've got contrib in sources.list, and apt-get update. |
| 20:39.51 | ToothyTom | unborn: sorry? Im trying to make sure my nvidia drivers are working after having disabled Optimus (sorry bumblebee!) |
| 20:39.59 | unborn | ToothyTom: ^^^ you know what to install it right? |
| 20:40.16 | ToothyTom | unborn: not really. directions unclear :( |
| 20:40.30 | ToothyTom | unborn: I followed https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#configure |
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| 20:40.57 | ToothyTom | unborn: up to configuring xorg.conf, which is what nvidia-xconfig is supposed to do? |
| 20:41.04 | unborn | ah bumblebee - great decision.. you know you can check it out.. there is even gnome shell script to do this for you.. (if you use standard gnome thing) |
| 20:41.29 | missmbob | ToothyTom: what about greycat's answer didnt you understand? add contrib and apt-get install |
| 20:41.29 | greycat | I suggest not listening to anything unborn says. Ever. He is a noise generator. |
| 20:42.22 | ToothyTom | ok well. apt-get install nvidia-xconfig seems to be working |
| 20:42.29 | ToothyTom | might add that to the wiki for us newbs |
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| 20:42.51 | unborn | ToothyTom: despite the fact I have quotro cart and no one here was able to help me with my drivers.. I suggest you to listen - greycat - he is the one who will help you - I am pretty sure about this. |
| 20:43.04 | unborn | *quatro |
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| 20:43.21 | unborn | be free and ask him for help |
| 20:43.48 | ToothyTom | unborn: greycat I had everything working with Optimus but that stuff is more trouble than its worth, so I disabled optimus in my bios... how can I see which driver is currently being used? |
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| 20:44.46 | greycat | read through /var/log/Xorg.0.log until you find lines that look like "[ 35.533] (II) intel: Driver for Intel(R) Integrated ..." |
| 20:44.46 | unborn | optimus will not work unless bumblebee lovely package.. so - ask missmbob about noise and do as he would say so.. |
| 20:44.57 | greycat | or whatever the nvidia driver looks like |
| 20:45.12 | unborn | otherwise - just ask here.. i was branded as noise so - im sorry. |
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| 20:45.42 | ToothyTom | gotta reboot real quick. brb |
| 20:48.13 | unborn | toothytom whatever they will tell you.. bumblebee is the one of the options which will work in debian - rest about nvidia drivers is broken same as update notification in debian - so choose wisely. |
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| 20:48.54 | unborn | it did not worked for me.. so it would not work for you too. |
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| 20:50.16 | tmerr | When upgrading from package version A to B, am I right in assuming it will run A.prerm, A.postrm, and B.preinst, B.postinst? |
| 20:50.34 | unborn | greycat: I would suggest you to be more useful to end user and not to put your personal feelings in front of it.. your answer did lead end user to nothing and - nothing. |
| 20:50.51 | missmbob | jesus shut up |
| 20:51.21 | unborn | missmbob: i would - otherwise I would be banned. |
| 20:51.47 | unborn | - i would be anyway after this.. |
| 20:53.16 | TomTomTosch | tmerr: https://wiki.debian.org/MaintainerScripts#Upgrading |
| 20:53.35 | tmerr | Yeah thanks TomTomTosch, just found that same linke and it explains everything |
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| 20:54.00 | unborn | - anyway - why ordinary user would have to shut up.. ? because you know the stuff and ? why missmbob - just asking. you know the answer same as me... |
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| 20:59.23 | unborn | TomTomTosch: thanks to telling me that I am hopeless and useless - I did asked same question about 4 moths ago.. - do read your stupid back log.. or log or whatever you call it.. I do think end user should be answered without being blanked or banned.. - i will never again contribute to this channel as I know (no unborn again...) message and also I wont be muted or banned. |
| 20:59.33 | questionas | is thunar still more advanced than caja? |
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| 21:00.14 | missmbob | questionas: i dont know anything about caja. i know stretch thunar got tab browsing. |
| 21:01.01 | tomcres | Caja does too |
| 21:01.10 | questionas | missmbob my experience with caja is that with mtp devices it doesn´t display a warning dialog stating that file length of a file is too long to copy to the mtp device |
| 21:01.25 | questionas | do you think this is a file manager issue? or a libmtp issue'? |
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| 21:02.08 | missmbob | questionas: every now and then i'll have thunar close, almost always when pasting something. that's really my only problem. works great with my phones |
| 21:02.50 | questionas | missmbob: are you using jessie offical thunar or a backported version? |
| 21:03.15 | missmbob | questionas: right now i'm on stretch (which is why i mentioned stretch version) |
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| 21:14.55 | missmbob | ,checkbackport thunar |
| 21:14.56 | judd | Backporting package thunar in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
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| 21:19.44 | kpodkqwd | 9 11 attacks, Did USA do it itself or it just let it happen?Did USA administration murder 3000 American citizen in 9 11 attacks to justify starting a war against iraq?If al-qaeda did it, why go to kill 2 million Iraqi?http://creatvchaos.blogspot.com.eg/ https://creatvchaos.wordpress.com/Some of the benefits Americans say they achieved after 9 11 attacks include:*constant flow of oil, which |
| 21:21.59 | Somelauw | Is 'testing' currently stable? I thought stable is easiest to use, but I am spending too much time trying to compile stuff from github that is not in the repos. |
| 21:22.22 | greycat | testing is never stable by definition |
| 21:22.35 | greycat | currently stable is a symlink to jessie, and testing is a symlink to stretch |
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| 21:23.02 | missmbob | !tell Somelauw about ssb |
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| 21:24.31 | Somelauw | Is it close to stable? Will it not spit dinosaurs on my screen? |
| 21:24.54 | missmbob | Somelauw: it's frozen. working okay for me |
| 21:25.02 | Somelauw | Is it as stable as Ubuntu, Fedora or other distros many people use? |
| 21:25.14 | greycat | Stretch just froze on Sunday. |
| 21:25.27 | greycat | Probably several months until it's released, but nobody knows for sure. |
| 21:25.40 | missmbob | Somelauw: i'd say stretch is ubuntu stable |
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| 21:29.47 | n4dir | Somelauw: wether one experience testing (or even unstable) as rather stable (or rather unstable) depends on many things (for sure on what software is installed and how desperate it is needed) |
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| 21:32.19 | greycat | Mostly it's just luck. |
| 21:32.43 | missmbob | 276 to go https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 21:32.51 | greycat | A major library transition (or perl transition or transition of a desktop env that you actually use) can break things for a LOT of users. |
| 21:33.02 | n4dir | well: yeah, luck. |
| 21:33.51 | greycat | Extra-fun was that recently, testing broke reportbug. |
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| 21:34.26 | n4dir | but if using the big DE's, or many apps, than chances are a bit higher that disaster will hit you. |
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| 21:34.47 | greycat | fvwm rarely breaks :) |
| 21:35.13 | n4dir | i heard the same of icewm and openbox. |
| 21:35.14 | missmbob | xfce either. anyway i dont see frozen and "disaster" going together. |
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| 21:36.11 | n4dir | missmob the translator ding translated the opposite of luck as disaster for me. If i run out of tobacco : that is a disaster. |
| 21:36.24 | n4dir | ah, misfortune |
| 21:36.27 | missmbob | heh |
| 21:37.34 | Somelauw | missmbob: if it's frozen, it will only get better, i'm switching without even making a backup |
| 21:37.54 | missmbob | Somelauw: good luck |
| 21:37.58 | Somelauw | will i get python > 3.4? |
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| 21:38.14 | missmbob | Somelauw: 3.5.3 |
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| 21:42.08 | k000 | who /etc/ld.so.cache works? |
| 21:42.17 | k000 | how* |
| 21:42.25 | greycat | man ld.so |
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| 22:13.12 | budder | hello |
| 22:13.19 | budder | i've bricked my laptop |
| 22:13.44 | budder | anyone? |
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| 22:14.03 | petn-randall | budder: How can we help you? |
| 22:14.06 | JPT | Well, how did you do it? |
| 22:14.07 | mtn_ | budder: what do you need? |
| 22:14.13 | budder | thank you all |
| 22:14.25 | budder | i had lubuntu installed, and i tried installing debian as well |
| 22:14.42 | budder | basically |
| 22:14.52 | budder | i messed up and went for a complete reinstall of debian only |
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| 22:15.16 | budder | however, i can no longer access boot order. the laptop just starts right up into lubuntu, but the password to log in doesn't work |
| 22:15.36 | Somelauw | I'm most worried about X and network-manager breaking on testing. If one of these breaks, I'm completely lost. I don't care if something like gnome breaks.. |
| 22:15.42 | budder | it says "hit enter to interrupt startup" when it powers on but that has never worked. I used to have to use grub to get to system startup. now no grub either |
| 22:15.48 | sorta | I've expanded my VM's disk but /dev/sda1 is still showing the old size. do i need to repartition to expand it? |
| 22:16.18 | k000 | how to set the domain name? |
| 22:16.20 | sim590 | I am trying to install a canon driver on my platform. The debian wiki refers to this site https://www.usa.canon.com/internet/portal/us/home/support/details/copiers-mfps-fax-machines/multifunction-copiers/color/imagerunner-advance-c3325i?tab=drivers#Z7_MQH8HIC0L88RB0AMD0F1Q42K25 to download the driver. However, they, in turn, refer to some other site https://www.codehost.com/ to download some binaries called |
| 22:16.22 | sim590 | "setup" to run. I'm not too comfortable with this. What do you recommend 6 |
| 22:16.34 | sim590 | My mate on Ubuntu had drivers by default... |
| 22:16.38 | sim590 | That's disappointing. |
| 22:16.45 | JPT | budder: You could boot linux from a live cd or usb media, mount some stuff and chroot into your installed system to change the grub config and reset your password |
| 22:16.49 | sim590 | The wiki page I consulted is https://wiki.debian.org/PrinterDriver/Canon/UFR-II |
| 22:17.19 | budder | JPT: how so? currently I have debian on a USB stick but my laptop won't allow me boot options |
| 22:17.24 | budder | and it has no cd drive |
| 22:17.40 | JPT | budder: Oh, i thought you don't have access to your grub boot options anymore |
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| 22:18.11 | mtn_ | budder: you can repair grub with the usb install disk. use the advance or expert option at boot time |
| 22:18.24 | budder | i don't, but when I did, setting the boot order to usb wouldn't work anyways. i even tried recreating the installation media but it still wouldn't boot from it. idk why |
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| 22:18.56 | budder | mtn_: i cannot access the advance options or anything at all. it just boots into lubuntu but won't allow me to login. idk why. no password from lubuntu or debian is working |
| 22:19.17 | mtn_ | budder: oh. well, bad usb or wrong boot order in bios |
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| 22:19.42 | missmbob | it'd be fun if it was a rufus/unetbootin thing |
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| 22:21.04 | budder | mtn_: usb is fine. can't boot into anything. i need to completely reinstall any OS but i can't |
| 22:21.27 | mtn_ | budder: if you can not boot the usb, then the usb is bad or you have a bios/usb port issue. |
| 22:22.05 | budder | mtn_: well i JUST used the usb to install debian.and i just plugged it into my desktop to recreate the installation media. |
| 22:22.06 | mtn_ | budder: do you have any other live disks? will they boot? |
| 22:22.29 | mtn_ | budder: so you are saying your hardware is broken. we can't fix that for you |
| 22:23.06 | JPT | You could remove your harddisk/ssd and chroot into that from a different machine to fix your linux |
| 22:23.24 | JPT | And maybe reset your bios settings to try and fix the boot menu thing |
| 22:23.37 | budder | JPT: tell me more. i'm new to linux |
| 22:23.55 | budder | haven't heard of chroot jpt |
| 22:23.55 | JPT | (You don't happen to have input devices plugged into your laptop that might confuse your bios so it does not register key presses on boot up?) |
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| 22:25.36 | JPT | budder: Chroot in a nutshell: You mount the / partition of a linux system (into /mountpoint). Then you do mount -o bind /dev /mountpoint/dev (repeat for /proc and /sys). Then you call chroot /mountpoint /bin/bash and you're in the system. Use mount -a to properly mount additional partitions. You can now call passwd to fix your password and use grub commands to fix your bootloader. Exit, unmount and reboot and you should be good to go. |
| 22:25.59 | JPT | (Is that line complete or did it get cut off? It was quite long) |
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| 22:27.40 | budder | okay. very briefly (had to take video and pause it) it says "the disk drive for UUID=*lots of random characters* is nto ready yet or not present. continue to wait for press S to skip mounting or M for manual recovery" then it boots into lubuntu |
| 22:27.46 | Somelauw | hmm, the instructions on https://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting first tell me to remove any line that contains security.debian.org, but in the next paragraph i'm told I always should have a line tracking testing. What should I do? |
| 22:28.15 | missmbob | Somelauw: just keep it. it's not active right now but it will be on release |
| 22:28.28 | Somelauw | okay |
| 22:28.34 | budder | and jpt no input devices |
| 22:28.52 | JPT | budder: Okay, it could have been an option. Damn it. :| |
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| 22:30.18 | JPT | budder: "Press M for manual recovery"? Sounds interesting |
| 22:30.28 | budder | JPT: it didn't work |
| 22:30.33 | budder | neither did S |
| 22:30.52 | budder | JPT: okay i've literally bricked it. if i remove my disk drive how can I go about recovering? |
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| 22:32.07 | JPT | budder: If you remove the disk drive and you're able to plug it into a proper pc, there are tons of options. You could use the chroot method to change the passwords on the installed systems to make sure they work when you plug the disk drive back into the laptop. |
| 22:32.48 | JPT | budder: Additionally, you could use that chroot environment to reinstall the bootloader (be careful about the device names, they will probably be different from your laptop environment) |
| 22:33.10 | JPT | budder: Also, if you prefer, you could simply mount all partitions and make a full backup before doing anything else to be on the safe side |
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| 22:33.45 | budder | JPT: my proper PC has windows 10 |
| 22:33.51 | Somelauw | What does 'E: Fatal, conflicts violated texlive-science:amd64' mean? |
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| 22:34.26 | Somelauw | when simulated an upgrade to Stretch |
| 22:34.31 | Somelauw | simulating* |
| 22:34.39 | JPT | budder: Your proper PC could boot a linux from usb. All you need for chroot to work is basically a live linux with root priviliges. And it should also be the same architecture as the system you want to chroot into. (64bit vs 32bit, arm vs x86,...) |
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| 22:35.47 | JPT | budder: You can use commands such as "lsblk", "blkid", "dmesg" and "ls -al /dev/disk/by-id" to try and find out which device got which device name, so you can be sure what you're working on. |
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| 22:37.02 | JPT | budder: Also, if you really plan to remove the disk drive, try and check if you can get into the laptop bios when the drive is detached. Perhaps this might help, but i can't be sure |
| 22:37.09 | budder | JPT: okay so how exactly do i go about that |
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| 22:37.38 | budder | JPT: also, what could i do once i enter bios if no disk drive is attached? |
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| 22:38.19 | JPT | budder: Good question. But perhaps you could still influence boot order of devices that are plugged in. Maybe there are different settings that might help you out aswell, that completely depends on your laptop |
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| 22:38.55 | budder | JPT: okay thanks. i'll try that |
| 22:39.07 | budder | perfect timing for all this to happen as i have to go to school now |
| 22:39.12 | JPT | budder: Best of luck to you, your situation does not sound fun :/ |
| 22:39.30 | budder | JPT: thank you! |
| 22:39.58 | JPT | Damn it, i really hope he got the part about backups |
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| 22:44.32 | DrOwl | Hi All, I am having a right problem setting up my wifi, i want to use Chan 13 (i am in the UK) but i can not get it to work chan 11/12 just stay disabled i have posted my setting / "log" here... http://paste.debian.net/hidden/3ae90038 |
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| 22:52.16 | klys | effect you |
| 22:53.14 | Somelauw | hmm, probably better to autoclean before upgrading |
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| 23:06.10 | sweb | i need to move files from old backup dir to newest that for check all files exist in new.. i using rsync |
| 23:06.10 | sweb | rsync --remove-source-files -vau src/ dest/ |
| 23:06.10 | sweb | but seems be src file not been removed after success moved ... how can i tell the rsync after success copy remove src files |
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| 23:38.30 | n-iCe | is actually lxde faster than xfce? |
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| 23:39.21 | somiaj | n-iCe: it is lighter, but faster may depend on other applications run |
| 23:39.22 | tomcres1 | On a low RAM system, probably. It has a smaller memory footprint. |
| 23:39.47 | somiaj | n-iCe: on many modern machines you may not see a noticable difference. |
| 23:39.48 | n-iCe | I'm kinda tired of arch |
| 23:39.55 | n-iCe | somiaj: ok, I have a good hardware |
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| 23:40.03 | n-iCe | i7 12 ram ssd |
| 23:40.28 | somiaj | I doubut xfce vs lxde will cause a major difference in what you see |
| 23:40.46 | somiaj | debian also provides lots of window managers to use, and from there just install only the extra software you use. |
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| 23:41.11 | n-iCe | using a netinstall you mean? |
| 23:41.15 | somiaj | I personally prefer a wm |
| 23:41.37 | awal1 | n-iCe: with that hardware, even kde will run fast, if you like |
| 23:41.52 | somiaj | the installer doesn't really matter, but yes with a netinstall you can start with a small base system and only install the software you want to use and its depends (including recommneded) packages |
| 23:42.21 | tomcres1 | I love that olvwm is still in Debian. I want to try it again just for nostalgia sake. ð |
| 23:43.10 | awal1 | affected by an rc bug :P |
| 23:43.16 | n-iCe | I use a Advanced-N 6205 |
| 23:43.19 | n-iCe | Do I need any firmware? |
| 23:43.22 | n-iCe | to use the netsinstall? |
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| 23:44.20 | somiaj | n-iCe: most wifi cards require firmware, but you can use this |
| 23:44.22 | somiaj | !firmware installer |
| 23:44.22 | dpkg | Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch06s04 . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. |
| 23:44.29 | awal1 | you may need firmware-iwlwifi |
| 23:44.32 | somiaj | !firmware images |
| 23:44.32 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
| 23:44.37 | somiaj | n-iCe: ^^ that |
| 23:44.43 | n-iCe | seond one? |
| 23:44.52 | somiaj | n-iCe: yes the link in the second one |
| 23:45.18 | somiaj | n-iCe: if your wifi card is fairly new, it won't be supported by the kernel/firmware in jessie and this requires some manual work to get a kernel/firmware from jessie backports |
| 23:45.19 | n-iCe | so you mean http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-8.7.1-amd64-netinst.iso includes already the firmwares to use my wifi card? |
| 23:45.36 | somiaj | it will include the firmware included in jessie that works with the 3.16 kernel |
| 23:45.52 | n-iCe | is it the last stable debian version, right? |
| 23:46.25 | somiaj | correct, debian stretch just froze and is in the process of becoming the next stable release, but we have 4-6 months or so until it is ready |
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| 23:46.52 | tomcres1 | You can always install over ethernet and then add non-free and backports afterward to get the WiFi working |
| 23:47.08 | somiaj | so at this time, it is the latest, but lots of newer cards are not supported by default in it. In this case you can 1) intstall the base system from the netinstall (don't need network for that). 2) get the jessie-backports kernel and firmware from packages.debian.org and copy them over, manually install |
| 23:47.23 | n-iCe | sounds complicated |
| 23:47.30 | n-iCe | I just want my wifi to work in the netinstall lol |
| 23:48.15 | somiaj | n-iCe: it may, but your hardware sounds fairly new, so I'm just warning you it may not work with the kernel/firmware provided. But it is most likely supported with the backports kernel and firmware in the case it isn't supported with the defaults in jessie |
| 23:48.26 | n-iCe | ok, moving the iso to the usb |
| 23:48.34 | somiaj | n-iCe: how? |
| 23:48.49 | n-iCe | cp ? |
| 23:48.50 | n-iCe | right |
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| 23:51.04 | n-iCe | done, going to reboot |
| 23:51.07 | n-iCe | wish me luck, thanks |
| 23:52.41 | tomcres1 | Somiaj: what file manager do you use /recommend for use with a window manager like fvwm? |
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| 23:54.13 | tomcres1 | I used to use dfm back in the day, but I noticed it's not in Debian |
| 23:55.03 | somiaj | tomcres1: I use ls. I used rox-filer once, but unsure if that is still around. midnight command is still around if you want a curses ui |
| 23:56.52 | somiaj | I see pcmanfm which I think can be used in a wm just fine |
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| 23:58.28 | somiaj | there is xfe and tuxcmd, I don't really have any recomendations though |
| 23:59.03 | tomcres1 | Oh yeah. Almost forgot about PCmanFM. That would be perfect actually. I'm trying to put together a super light desktop with some basic utilities to live on a 2 gb USB stick. |
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