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| 00:53.44 | luisoliv | hey guys, i've just installed debian 8 jeessie, where can i find the audio devices settings? |
| 00:54.11 | luisoliv | i can't find it anywhere and VLC is reproducing music to my laptop's speakers instead of my headphones |
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| 00:59.02 | G66K | hello yall |
| 00:59.17 | G66K | is there any package that automaticly free ram ? |
| 00:59.32 | tw | free -m |
| 00:59.46 | tw | err, you mean frees it for you? |
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| 01:00.04 | G66K | tw: yeah |
| 01:00.46 | tw | Exit programs. You don't want to free the fs cache. |
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| 01:01.37 | G66K | tw i have exit all programs and still using 50% of my memory |
| 01:02.43 | tw | G66K: in free -m, on line 2, under used, does that say 50% of your ram in MB? |
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| 01:06.12 | luisoliv | guys, what unit use the fre e-m command? |
| 01:06.44 | luisoliv | bytes or bits? |
| 01:06.59 | rjsalts | luisoliv: man free |
| 01:07.25 | rjsalts | luisoliv: -m -> Display the amount of memory in megabytes. |
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| 01:11.13 | G66K | tw: its said 70 |
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| 01:20.56 | JC_SoCal | i have a debian system i modified to boot straight to a shell script to allow a remote laptop to be configured without requiring a login. However, after it boots, I get these messages that pop up I took a picture of it here: http://imgur.com/GSeQeXL does anyone know what these messages are and/or how to supress them? |
| 01:22.46 | luisoliv | guys, which is the normal memory use for a recently installed debian 8? |
| 01:23.29 | n4dir | luisoliv: i would assume that depends if you use a GUI, if yes which one, etc |
| 01:23.37 | luisoliv | xfce4 |
| 01:23.56 | n4dir | how much RAM it uses if no other programs are running? |
| 01:24.22 | luisoliv | 1219 mb |
| 01:24.33 | luisoliv | the only program running right now is hexchat |
| 01:24.57 | n4dir | back then xfce booted to ca 70 MB. That went up, not sure how much (200 might be). |
| 01:25.10 | n4dir | it also depends how much RAM you have, i think |
| 01:25.12 | dax | !atemyram |
| 01:25.12 | dpkg | "Linux ate my ram!" No, it didn't. Read this: http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ |
| 01:25.21 | n4dir | 1200 if no apps are running sounds like a lot |
| 01:25.23 | dax | tl;dr: linux uses RAM, because having it just sit there looking pretty is stupid |
| 01:25.30 | dax | stop caring about it unless you're actually running out and swapping |
| 01:25.59 | luisoliv | dax, so it' actually ues it as cache, unless i start a ram-heavy-usage program?? |
| 01:26.01 | n4dir | iirc that link doesn't really speaks about if nothing besides the gui is running at all |
| 01:26.35 | luisoliv | i just care because linux is suposed to be more lightweight than winblows but then i boot this new debian 8 and.... |
| 01:27.18 | phogg | luisoliv: run free -m, look at the buffers/cache line. The free on *that* line is probably what you think of as free. |
| 01:27.20 | dax | if you want the RAM to sit there and not be used, remove it from your PC and frame it on the wall |
| 01:27.39 | dax | obsessing about "lightweight" when you're not actually hitting memory issues is wasting your time and the time of people attempting to help you |
| 01:27.47 | n4dir | if you don't do anything, what is the RAM used for? |
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| 01:28.04 | n4dir | ps_mem.py : 245.7 MiB |
| 01:28.44 | dax | (and this goes just as much for Windows users as Linux ones, for what it's worth) |
| 01:28.46 | yokisuci | :q |
| 01:28.55 | luisoliv | damn the salt is real here |
| 01:29.28 | luisoliv | the problem with that link is, my free -m version doesnt have the last column that shows "available" memory |
| 01:29.51 | luisoliv | but i get the idea since windows partially have the same feature called "disk compression" |
| 01:30.00 | dax | blinks |
| 01:30.01 | luisoliv | remarks on "partially" |
| 01:30.31 | dax | disk compression has nothing to do with memory usage |
| 01:30.33 | phogg | luisoliv: that's not at all the same |
| 01:30.52 | luisoliv | sorry, i confused terms, i meant superfetch |
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| 01:31.10 | phogg | luisoliv: That's also not the same. Superfetch is a separate daemon |
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| 01:31.20 | NancyAnne_Cianci | yeah |
| 01:31.32 | luisoliv | phogg, but suposedly uses your ram for file caching while it is not being used |
| 01:31.47 | phogg | luisoliv: it tries to preload things "just in case"; in Linux this doesn't happen, instead things read from disk are retained until they can't be any more. |
| 01:31.53 | NancyAnne_Cianci | anyone uses LEAP / bitmask ? |
| 01:32.23 | phogg | luisoliv: It's not the same at all. Windows does caching, too; all OSes do this to some extent. Superfetch is over and above filesystem caching. |
| 01:32.33 | dax | (Linux has equivalent readahead daemons. I'm unsure whether they're actually installed by default these days, since I have an SSD these days so haven't bothered looking.) |
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| 01:33.05 | luisoliv | dax, what are your reading/writing speedS? |
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| 01:33.11 | phogg | dax: I'm surprised, the chances of such daemons being practically useful seems slim to me. More of a marketing gimmick. |
| 01:33.13 | NancyAnne_Cianci | how to force debtags into Synaptic ? |
| 01:33.17 | dax | luisoliv: no idea |
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| 01:34.04 | NancyAnne_Cianci | how to force debtags into Synaptic ? debtags-edit ... |
| 01:34.17 | NancyAnne_Cianci | no workie |
| 01:34.23 | NancyAnne_Cianci | equivs-build |
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| 01:34.58 | hugh-adolph | http://www.kongregate.com/games/HughB19/dothanman-source |
| 01:35.13 | hugh-adolph | playtest if you can |
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| 01:35.39 | NancyAnne_Cianci | Adolf H ? |
| 01:36.16 | hugh-adolph | ! |
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| 01:36.22 | NancyAnne_Cianci | ! |
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| 01:37.34 | NancyAnne_Cianci | !commands |
| 01:37.34 | dpkg | well, commands is The Linux command reference may be found here: http://justlinux.com/nhf/Command_Reference and here: http://justlinux.com/nhf/Shells/Basic_Console_Commands.html |
| 01:37.47 | NancyAnne_Cianci | !help |
| 01:37.58 | bazhang | NancyAnne_Cianci, with what |
| 01:38.13 | NancyAnne_Cianci | just goofing around... ;-) |
| 01:38.32 | n4dir | doing that via /msg dpkg is not an option? |
| 01:38.35 | bazhang | #debian-offtopic please NancyAnne_Cianci |
| 01:39.04 | NancyAnne_Cianci | newbie here |
| 01:39.12 | NancyAnne_Cianci | <---- noob |
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| 01:40.35 | NancyAnne_Cianci | "bitmask" is a decent oVPN for debian |
| 01:40.44 | NancyAnne_Cianci | free! |
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| 01:44.10 | tw | bytes./window 23 |
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| 02:24.44 | JC_SoCal | is there a way to prevent these status messages from displaying? http://imgur.com/a/Gq3xU |
| 02:24.55 | JC_SoCal | they come up right after boot |
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| 02:44.31 | zykotick9 | ,kernels |
| 02:44.32 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.10.0-rc6-686-pae (4.10~rc6-1~exp2); sid: 4.9.0-1-686-pae (4.9.6-3); stretch: 4.9.0-1-686-pae (4.9.6-3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.9.2-2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.39-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.84-1) |
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| 02:48.41 | tomcres | ,v steam-devices |
| 02:48.42 | judd | Package: steam-devices on amd64 -- sid/non-free: 1.0.0.54-2; stretch/non-free: 1.0.0.54-2 |
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| 02:56.05 | luisoliv | guys, how can i set the default audio device by terminal? |
| 02:57.27 | zykotick9 | luisoliv: try "cat /proc/asound/cards" <- probably the one starting with 0 |
| 02:57.35 | zykotick9 | luisoliv: sorry, "set"... |
| 02:57.41 | zykotick9 | luisoliv: ignore me. |
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| 02:59.22 | luisoliv | zykotick9, using the CAT command trows me all the sound device (including my headphones) |
| 02:59.32 | luisoliv | but i dont know how to set onie as the default |
| 02:59.43 | luisoliv | and SET with that route doesnt work for me |
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| 03:01.48 | zykotick9 | luisoliv: sorry, i misread you origional question. i thought you wanted to "see" not "set". i believe you'd have to right a udev rule for your sound device |
| 03:02.55 | luisoliv | zykotick9, in english? |
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| 03:03.11 | luisoliv | im new to debian man, i dont know what is a udev rule |
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| 03:04.45 | zykotick9 | luisoliv: i'm sorry, i don't have much in the way of details for you. a couple years ago i had problems with 2 sound devices (and them switching between boots) - personally i just "gave up"... so i hope you have better luck (or more persistance/knowledge). |
| 03:05.34 | nutron | Asking if it's policy to require packages to include an entry in /usr/share/menu ? Or is the debian menu system now deprecated? |
| 03:06.00 | dvs | ptions snd-hda-intel index=0 model=auto vid=8086 pid=9d70 |
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| 03:11.54 | ryouma | is there something quick that will make logwatch report less stuff? i just want kernel errors and warnings and stuff like that, not disk usage or verbose headers on when logwatch was done. |
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| 03:13.57 | ryouma | seems the configuration is not in /etc/ but in /usr/share/logwatch? is that fhs-kosher? |
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| 03:17.39 | luisoliv | guys what does have /proc/asound/cards ? |
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| 03:20.16 | somiaj | luisoliv: that should just be the kernel file system that lists the current detected/loaded sound cards |
| 03:23.45 | awal1 | X will be replaced entirely by wayland something like in 10 years? :P |
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| 03:30.04 | somiaj | awal1: not quite true |
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| 03:30.26 | dvs | 9 years? |
| 03:30.45 | awal1 | somiaj, I was thinking that maybe many wm's will be abandoned bcoz of wayland |
| 03:30.47 | somiaj | awal1: wayland and Xorg do different things, but many use cases don't need all the backwards compliant and server side stuff of xorg. |
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| 03:31.43 | somiaj | xorg won't be going away any time soon, but wayland will become more and more the standard. |
| 03:32.46 | awal1 | does fvwm depends too much in xlib? |
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| 03:33.58 | somiaj | all wms do, any wm will have to be rewritten to be a wayland client. |
| 03:34.13 | somiaj | though in theory you can run the wm on top with the x11 wrapper, but I'm unsure on this. |
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| 03:35.28 | awal1 | looks like i3 and bspwm are in the way |
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| 03:36.42 | somiaj | there will be wms that become wayland clients so you don't need a DE, but fvwm won't be one. |
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| 03:39.34 | luisoliv | guys, do you have any idea of how can i set the default sound device in debian 8? |
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| 03:45.05 | somiaj | luisoliv: do you use alsa or pulseaudio? |
| 03:45.27 | awal1 | somiaj, anyway, until wayland become default, fvwm and openbox will be always installed here ... P |
| 03:46.05 | aypea[0] | does anyone use ethernet bonding? trying to figure out the config for xmit_hash_policy. I've got 'bond-xmit_hash_policy layer2+3' but it's not working :( this is on stretch |
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| 03:48.43 | dvs | luisoliv, https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=180102 |
| 03:49.21 | DeaDSouL | hi, does anyone know how to update samsung 850 pro ssd firmware on linux? |
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| 03:51.40 | aypea[0] | wtf. none of the options are activating |
| 03:51.43 | aypea[0] | grr |
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| 04:06.28 | HisaoNakai | o/ |
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| 04:08.33 | contrapunctus | I'm getting an incessant *flood* of messages on this (non-graphical) Debian installation "rt2800pci 0000:04:00.0: firmware: failed to load rt3290.bin (-2)" and I just can't stop it :\ |
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| 04:09.00 | dvs | !firmware iso |
| 04:09.01 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
| 04:09.03 | contrapunctus | the power button on the laptop seems to suspend or hibernate or something, long-pressing didn't kill it |
| 04:09.51 | contrapunctus | and C-d'ing or changing to another virtual console isn't resulting in any change |
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| 04:11.01 | contrapunctus | dvs: ...*and* I don't have any source of internet connectivity outside of mobile wifi hotspots/usb tethering :( |
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| 04:29.57 | luisoliv | guys, why always when i try to install a new package from synaptics, i prompts me to insert the instalation DVD1 of debian? |
| 04:31.14 | LinuxNIT | you probably have a DVD in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 04:51.52 | contrapunctus | Will a DVD/USB install ISO contain network-manager? |
| 04:53.44 | themill | yes |
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| 05:02.59 | bushbush | Hello! |
| 05:03.20 | bushbush | How do I check if my hard drive is prone to fail soon? |
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| 05:04.16 | ryouma | smartctl |
| 05:04.21 | LinuxNIT | https://www.thomas-krenn.com/en/wiki/SMART_tests_with_smartctl |
| 05:04.23 | Rusty1_ | bushbush: install smartmontools |
| 05:04.32 | luisoliv | bushbush, answer these 2 questions : 1.- the hardrive has more than 5 years working? and 2.- have you lost any files that was on your dekstop or in your documents folder? |
| 05:04.33 | bushbush | I've had a few encounters of os installation failure on the hard disk because installation says that hdd might be old already, already failed or transferring to a room where it's quite cold might help the installation succeed. |
| 05:04.50 | luisoliv | if any of those is yes, then yes you hdd maybe is prone to fail soon |
| 05:05.00 | bushbush | luisoliv: No for both. |
| 05:05.12 | bushbush | I bought my PC in 2013. |
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| 05:05.38 | luisoliv | bushbush, in that case, your HDD is still in pretty good shape |
| 05:05.51 | luisoliv | unless is a HDD of an HP laptop |
| 05:05.52 | LinuxNIT | test the drive |
| 05:06.01 | bushbush | luisoliv: It is actually :) |
| 05:06.02 | LinuxNIT | age is no guarantee |
| 05:06.07 | bushbush | My laptop is a HP Pavilion. |
| 05:06.23 | luisoliv | bushbush, lmao, btw your computer is an HP pavilion G6? |
| 05:06.26 | luisoliv | omg |
| 05:06.32 | bushbush | HP Pavilion 15 |
| 05:06.32 | luisoliv | we have the same laptop |
| 05:06.41 | luisoliv | welp, almost... |
| 05:06.46 | bushbush | Hehe |
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| 05:07.28 | bushbush | LinuxNIT: Should I test it with smartctl and/or smartmontools as suggested by ryouma and Rusty1_ respectively? |
| 05:07.42 | ryouma | badblocks maybe |
| 05:07.51 | bushbush | ryouma: What does that mean? |
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| 05:08.12 | bushbush | Would FDE help resolve the bad blocks problem? |
| 05:08.17 | LinuxNIT | smartctl is part of smartmontools |
| 05:08.18 | awal1 | ,v gsmartmontool |
| 05:08.20 | judd | No package named 'gsmartmontool' was found in amd64. |
| 05:08.31 | bushbush | Welp. |
| 05:08.44 | LinuxNIT | ,v gsmartcontrol |
| 05:08.44 | awal1 | smartctl have a gui front-end; i forgot the name |
| 05:08.45 | judd | Package: gsmartcontrol on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.8.6-1.2; jessie: 0.8.7-1.1; sid: 0.8.7-1.2; stretch: 0.8.7-1.2 |
| 05:09.07 | awal1 | that |
| 05:09.29 | bushbush | Ok |
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| 05:10.04 | bushbush | LinuxNIT: Should I check it with gsmartcontrol? |
| 05:10.27 | LinuxNIT | thats fine. it uses smartctl as the backend |
| 05:10.40 | LinuxNIT | well it runs smart tests anyway |
| 05:10.55 | bushbush | How about gnome-disks? |
| 05:11.04 | LinuxNIT | i dunno |
| 05:11.11 | LinuxNIT | if it can run a smart test sure |
| 05:11.39 | bushbush | It has "SMART Data & Self-Tests" option. |
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| 05:12.13 | bushbush | I'll just use gsmartcontrol :) |
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| 05:14.22 | bushbush | I have an error. |
| 05:14.31 | bushbush | I'm running gsmartcontrol as root, is that ok? |
| 05:14.59 | LinuxNIT | yep |
| 05:15.10 | bushbush | Is it ok I post the error here? Or is that personal? |
| 05:15.30 | LinuxNIT | you should use a pastebin of somekind |
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| 05:15.34 | bushbush | Ok |
| 05:15.37 | Rusty1_ | use dpaste.com if there is a browser |
| 05:16.04 | bushbush | Here http://pastebin.com/2szff4vx |
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| 05:18.41 | Rusty1_ | what is 9 Power_On_Hours ? |
| 05:18.57 | bushbush | I don't know haha! |
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| 05:19.32 | LinuxNIT | did you run a short self test? |
| 05:19.36 | bushbush | Nope. |
| 05:19.40 | luisoliv | guys, how can i configure debian 8 to not shutdown if i close the lid of my laptop? |
| 05:19.40 | LinuxNIT | run one |
| 05:19.45 | bushbush | Ok |
| 05:20.00 | bushbush | Running now. |
| 05:20.02 | LinuxNIT | im not familiar with idnf errors but it does not look good from what i see online |
| 05:20.24 | bushbush | LinuxNIT: So, don't use HDD anymore? |
| 05:20.34 | LinuxNIT | wait for the test results |
| 05:20.55 | bushbush | Yeah I'm kind of afraid that anytime, soon even, the HDD would just fail and I'd lose a lot of work. |
| 05:21.09 | LinuxNIT | #backups ;-) |
| 05:21.11 | bushbush | The only reason why I'm using HDD is for Virtualization. |
| 05:21.17 | bushbush | I do have backups. |
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| 05:21.49 | bushbush | But I guess I can do without HDD now. |
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| 05:22.33 | LinuxNIT | short test should be finished. |
| 05:22.38 | bushbush | It is. |
| 05:22.47 | LinuxNIT | and? |
| 05:22.48 | bushbush | Test result: Completed without error. |
| 05:22.52 | bushbush | Yay! |
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| 05:23.41 | bushbush | What now? |
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| 05:26.53 | bushbush | LinuxNIT: ? |
| 05:26.54 | LinuxNIT | Well IDNF indicate data or a sector was not found. The short test passed. |
| 05:27.08 | LinuxNIT | to me thats conflicting. Like i said im not familiar with IDNFs. |
| 05:27.08 | bushbush | IDNF? |
| 05:27.12 | bushbush | Ah |
| 05:27.20 | bushbush | Well I'm better off using Knoppix then. |
| 05:27.29 | bushbush | 8GB RAM is ok right? |
| 05:27.30 | LinuxNIT | you might try a long test if you have time. It will take a while |
| 05:27.53 | LinuxNIT | knoppix should run on 8GB of ram |
| 05:28.05 | bushbush | Well the box of my laptop says 8GB, as any other HP bullshit. But approximately, I think it's more or less 7.7 GB. |
| 05:28.12 | LinuxNIT | You also might try the #hardware group and ask about IDNF errors |
| 05:28.18 | bushbush | Nah |
| 05:28.22 | bushbush | I don't have much time. |
| 05:28.35 | bushbush | And I probably wouldn't go that route if I had time :) |
| 05:28.58 | LinuxNIT | k |
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| 05:56.33 | awal1 | luisoliv: check your powe manager settings and disable that, also check /etc/systemd/logind.conf |
| 05:56.48 | awal1 | power ^ |
| 05:57.22 | awal1 | looks like the file in sid is different compared to jessie one |
| 05:57.42 | awal1 | sid all commented |
| 05:58.45 | awal1 | luisoliv: cat /etc/systemd/logind.conf and paste (paste.debian.net) |
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| 06:01.36 | awal1 | I don't think that gnome or any other DE is configured to shutdown your machine when closing lid by default |
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| 06:27.08 | tmiw_ | any idea why systemd would be returning this? |
| 06:27.09 | tmiw_ | apache2.service: Failed at step NAMESPACE spawning /usr/sbin/apachectl: Bad file descriptor |
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| 06:31.18 | jelly | tmiw: which debian release is that |
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| 06:37.58 | jelly | tmiw: a web search for "service: Failed at step NAMESPACE spawning" suggests issues with symlinks in newish (~2016) systemd |
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| 06:56.32 | deepy | So uh, I have this problem where the mouse goes diagonal when I roll it in any direction. I got one of these http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/RollerMouse.jpg and I suspect it has to do with me having one tall tilted screen |
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| 07:01.47 | tmiw | jelly: symlinks look fine, at least to apachectl. /tmp and /var/tmp appear to be actual folders too |
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| 07:04.55 | phorce1 | well, the stretch upgrade at the house does appear to have some issues. "apt update" gives this --- "356 packages can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see them." while 'aptitude safe-upgrade' (after aptitude update) gives this --- "open: 889; closed: 1467; defer: 57; conflict: 141 Unable to resolve dependencies for the upgrade: no solution found." --- {sigh} |
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| 07:06.10 | phorce1 | should I run apt upgrade then try aptitude safe-upgrade again to see what it says? |
| 07:06.57 | themill | A big upgrade like that is almost always better done with apt{,-get} rather than aptitude |
| 07:07.20 | themill | Doing an upgrade followed by a dist-upgrade also greatly helps |
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| 07:10.03 | phorce1 | dist-upgrade !! I knew I forgot a step Sunday morning (at ~0300) |
| 07:11.21 | phorce1 | yeah, here's just the "apt upgrade" running now --- "40 upgraded, 3 newly installed, 0 to remove and 370 not upgraded." |
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| 07:13.23 | tmiw | jelly: huh, making PrivateTmp=false in apache2's systemd config fixed it, even though it wasn't complaining about /tmp |
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| 08:07.15 | hillis | Why I Am Never Thankful https://youtu.be/hqyaljimCSQ |
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| 08:07.45 | hillis | 38 likes, 0 dislikes. |
| 08:07.51 | hillis | Must be saying something right. |
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| 08:08.40 | hillis | It's excellent. |
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| 09:33.28 | firespeaker | is this a normal problem in sid? chromium : Conflicts: libnettle4 but 2.7.1-5 is to be installed |
| 09:34.08 | Night_Elf | Hi all. I was trying to build openvpn from tarballs, version 2.4.0. During configure there is the message "LZ4 library not found." It seems this comes with the library liblz4-dev, but it is not part of wheezy. It seems to be in wheezy-backports though. Am I right in this? |
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| 09:35.10 | jelly | ,v liblz4-dev |
| 09:35.11 | judd | Package: liblz4-dev on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 0.0~r114-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.0~r122-2; stretch: 0.0~r131-2; sid: 0.0~r131-2 |
| 09:35.18 | jelly | Night_Elf: it appears so |
| 09:36.13 | Night_Elf | jelly: ok. I'll see to get it from there though I haven't used backports before. Should I be careful of anything, as a backport newbie ? |
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| 09:43.29 | jelly | Night_Elf: read the instructions, I guess. There's also a ready backport of openvpn 2.3.2 if that's good enough for you |
| 09:43.37 | jelly | !bdo |
| 09:43.37 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable (<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>. |
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| 09:45.38 | Night_Elf | jelly: oh I see. openvpn: Version: 2.3.2-7~bpo70+2 I guess I'll have a look at this. Thank you. |
| 09:45.43 | petn-randall | !debian-next |
| 09:45.43 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 09:46.06 | petn-randall | firespeaker: See above. |
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| 09:47.34 | jelly | firespeaker: not only is it normal, you're expected to deal with things like that if you choose sid |
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| 09:47.51 | Neobenedict | guys, is there a good way to "migrate" settings over to a new server |
| 09:47.54 | firespeaker | petn-randall: ah thanks |
| 09:47.56 | Neobenedict | i've changed so many things over the years |
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| 09:48.04 | firespeaker | jelly: yeah, I've been getting that rant for decades |
| 09:48.08 | Neobenedict | like, max open files for example |
| 09:48.11 | firespeaker | jelly: thanks for repeating it, just in case |
| 09:48.20 | Neobenedict | is there a tool out there that just shows all "system settings" that have been changed from stock |
| 09:48.23 | Neobenedict | would be nice :( |
| 09:48.26 | jelly | firespeaker: so why are you still saying things like this |
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| 09:48.46 | jelly | the development branch won't change |
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| 09:48.55 | firespeaker | jelly: I was looking for #debian-next |
| 09:49.02 | firespeaker | jelly: which petn-randall helped me with |
| 09:50.36 | Neobenedict | also, if anyone can remember the command that frees up a shitload of disk space |
| 09:50.42 | Neobenedict | by removing some cache thing |
| 09:50.45 | Neobenedict | not rm -rf / |
| 09:50.46 | Neobenedict | :P |
| 09:50.46 | firespeaker | Neobenedict: sudo apt-get clean |
| 09:50.54 | firespeaker | Neobenedict: yeah, one time I suggested that and someone did it :(( |
| 09:51.10 | Neobenedict | nah, theres something that ends up using 5% of didsk space or something |
| 09:51.14 | firespeaker | Neobenedict: in the <1 second it took me to add "j/k" |
| 09:51.16 | Neobenedict | and you can lower it to 0.01% and free up like a TB |
| 09:51.30 | Neobenedict | tunefs something something |
| 09:51.31 | firespeaker | oh, like fixing up your file tables or something? |
| 09:51.39 | jelly | Neobenedict: tune2fs has a -m option |
| 09:52.17 | jelly | it may be worth setting to less than default 5 (%) on very large filesystems |
| 09:52.33 | Neobenedict | well, i'm about to get 18TB |
| 09:52.36 | Neobenedict | so 5% |
| 09:52.36 | Neobenedict | lol |
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| 09:52.56 | Neobenedict | is it safe just to set it to 0 |
| 09:53.16 | jelly | consider investigating the filesystem type better, instead of using default ext4, maybe |
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| 09:53.26 | Neobenedict | thats if i use raid 5 |
| 09:53.31 | Neobenedict | which i think i will |
| 09:53.35 | jelly | tune2fs is only relevant for ext2-ext3-ext4 |
| 09:53.37 | Neobenedict | 1 disk failure and 75% space |
| 09:53.39 | Neobenedict | is pretty okay |
| 09:53.54 | Neobenedict | and large performance boosts too |
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| 09:54.44 | Neobenedict | is it true i get a 3x write performance boost? |
| 09:54.49 | Neobenedict | with raid 5 and 4 disks? |
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| 09:55.03 | Neobenedict | assuming i'm managing to write to all 3 at once |
| 09:55.04 | Neobenedict | how do i do that |
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| 09:55.23 | petn-randall | !enter |
| 09:55.23 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 09:55.30 | Neobenedict | lol |
| 09:55.30 | colo-work | try make only full stripe writes |
| 09:55.35 | colo-work | also, #linux-raid |
| 09:55.35 | Neobenedict | sorry |
| 09:55.49 | Neobenedict | full stripe writes? |
| 09:55.55 | Neobenedict | as in, files get written to 1 disk at a time? |
| 09:56.02 | OerHeks | http://www.raid-calculator.com/default.aspx can tell |
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| 09:57.10 | petn-randall | Neobenedict: Depends on what you mean with "performance". Throughput does increase, especially for sequential reads/writes on spinning platters, but latency tends to be a little worse. |
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| 10:10.49 | Rembo | hello,i am using debian 6, after curl update to version 7.36.0 i cannot see secured protocols: http://pastebin.com/45YFXvSu , can someone help? |
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| 10:26.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | how did you "update" to a version 7.36 |
| 10:26.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions curl |
| 10:26.23 | judd | Package: curl on amd64 -- wheezy: 7.26.0-1+wheezy13; wheezy-security: 7.26.0-1+wheezy18; jessie: 7.38.0-4+deb8u5; jessie-security: 7.38.0-4+deb8u5; sid: 7.52.1-2; stretch: 7.52.1-2 |
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| 10:36.33 | boxrick1 | I have a number of systems such as Gitlab , Apache backed services, various Cisco switches and Linux machines which all could do with some sort of centralized auth. Is something like FreeIPA a good choice or would I be better off looking at raw LDAP without all the fluff on top? |
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| 10:39.51 | petn-randall | Rembo: Debian 6 is EOL for quite a while now. Time to upgrade. |
| 10:40.37 | tyrone_biggums | Debian 8.7 is the latest version |
| 10:40.44 | tyrone_biggums | scratches his neck. |
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| 10:41.19 | tw | boxrick1: depends on how much you want to learn ldap overlays and write your own user management scripts. If I had it to do over, I'd use a prepackaged solution like freeipa or ms ad. |
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| 10:46.10 | Plushwolf | Hi |
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| 10:46.33 | Plushwolf | I'd like to know what the differences of ext4 and xfs are ... someone here who would like to explain me? |
| 10:47.08 | Silvering | hi everyone! I'm trying to deploy my django app to my dedicated server. I followed this tutorial : https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-serve-django-applications-with-apache-and-mod_wsgi-on-ubuntu-16-04 However when I try to access to my domain_name.com I have a 403 Forbidden. My apache log https://gist.github.com/d9d1bfb6fdb53919088fee7cfffb2451 |
| 10:47.34 | Silvering | Any idea ?$ |
| 10:47.45 | nobody44 | Hello. I have a problem with my preseed for a hands-free installation. I have my own package, that gets installed automatically, and in the postinst of the script i run "deb-systemd-helper enable systemd-timesyncd". That or the following "restart" command fails with "unable to read systemd-timesyncd" |
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| 10:52.01 | petn-randall | Silvering: What release of Debian are you using? |
| 10:52.10 | Silvering | Debian 8 |
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| 10:52.57 | petn-randall | Silvering: It looks like you didn't set up wsgi properly, I'd double-check the steps there. |
| 10:54.10 | olivetree_ | oi ppl :) |
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| 10:54.45 | Silvering | petn-randall : You mean the content of the wsgi file ? |
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| 10:55.42 | petn-randall | Silvering: No, I mean mod_wsgi. |
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| 10:59.01 | Silvering | petn-randall : I checked the path again to the wsgi.py and no issue... |
| 11:02.22 | petn-randall | Silvering: Is mod_wsgi enabled on your apache? |
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| 11:03.30 | Silvering | ah ok. I check |
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| 11:04.14 | Silvering | libapache2-mod-wsgi is installed at least |
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| 11:06.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | Plushwolf, if you can't ask that question in a more precise form going on some file system details, the answer is probably "none that you care of" |
| 11:06.54 | Silvering | petn-randall : https://gist.github.com/8cdc41c8f4e154aaa0f8758b9f9bbb91 |
| 11:07.07 | Silvering | petn-randall : So yes is enabled |
| 11:07.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | Plushwolf, http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/ext4-btrfs-making-switch-linux/ |
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| 11:08.42 | Plushwolf | CutMeOwnThroat: Oh, thanks for the link. Sorry, I can't really get more precisely, and I heard a lot of Btrfs, but the only thing I hear very often about that is that it isn't really finished yet and partially unstable in some things .. |
| 11:08.48 | Plushwolf | I don't know if it's true |
| 11:09.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, seems suse uses it as default |
| 11:09.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | mind, they also used reiserfs as default around 2000… |
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| 11:10.58 | Plushwolf | I better stay at ext4 on my production system and playing with Btrfs in QEMU first until it's classified as stable :) |
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| 11:12.32 | teraflops | Plushwolf: stable where? if you do 3.16 kernel + old as hell btrfsprogs ... in that scenario might not be that stable |
| 11:13.16 | Plushwolf | teraflops: wut? |
| 11:13.26 | teraflops | that |
| 11:13.46 | petn-randall | Silvering: I'd ask in #django, they probably help better than me. |
| 11:13.58 | tw | Plushwolf: If you don't need btrfs features, stick with ext4. |
| 11:14.46 | Silvering | petn-randall : Yes I'm already asking and no better ideas than yours |
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| 11:19.15 | nobody44 | is there a way to use deb-systemd-helper during the installation? my package fails :-| |
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| 11:21.06 | folivora | I am running Debian Jessie, as a root user "su" is not working anymore after last update. root@foo su - root <-- asks password, also I am unable to su - user-foo when I am root |
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| 11:23.34 | CrazyTux | what does "Debian Stretch Freezes" mean? |
| 11:23.44 | nkuttler | !freeze |
| 11:23.44 | dpkg | The 'freeze' is when large changes to testing version of Debian are stopped for few months. During this period, no new package uploads are made except to fix critical bugs or to provide documentation updates. During the freeze, bugs are squashed to 'stabilize' the release to make the new 'stable'. Stretch started to freeze in Nov 2016 and entered full freeze on 5 Feb 2017. Also ask me about <slushy>, <stretch freeze>. |
| 11:24.26 | CrazyTux | slushy |
| 11:24.36 | CrazyTux | stretch freeze |
| 11:24.43 | CrazyTux | what do they mean? |
| 11:24.49 | nkuttler | they? |
| 11:24.50 | Brigo | CrazyTux, /msg dpkg slushy |
| 11:25.21 | folivora | Does anyone know that is there some bug with su / pam ? |
| 11:26.02 | nkuttler | folivora: have you checked the bts? |
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| 11:32.18 | CrazyTux | when will Debian Stretch be available? |
| 11:32.32 | folivora | getting this error: debian PAM unable dlopen(pam_rootok.s) cannot open shared object file |
| 11:33.02 | folivora | Can't find relative bug to this error ... |
| 11:33.21 | petn-randall | !tell CrazyTux -about wwsr |
| 11:33.58 | Plushwolf | !tell me -about wwsr |
| 11:34.04 | Plushwolf | !tell Plushwolf -about wwsr |
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| 11:35.05 | nkuttler | !tell Plushwolf about selftell |
| 11:35.37 | Plushwolf | :P |
| 11:35.58 | Plushwolf | I don't know how to use dpkg |
| 11:36.00 | Plushwolf | Shame on me |
| 11:36.19 | Plushwolf | (I mean the bot here, not the package manager :D) |
| 11:36.32 | tw | Is there a more effective way to get commandline selections than `zgrep "apt-get install" /var/log/apt/history.log*`? |
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| 11:37.16 | Brigo | folivora, is libpam-modules package installed? |
| 11:37.42 | Neobenedict | question |
| 11:37.47 | Neobenedict | if a raid 0 is failing but not failed |
| 11:37.53 | Neobenedict | can it be replaced and save all the data |
| 11:37.57 | nkuttler | tw: um, what do you mean? a history of installed packages? |
| 11:38.03 | Brigo | tw, there are keys combos. |
| 11:38.18 | Brigo | Neobenedict, do you have a backup? |
| 11:38.27 | Plushwolf | Neobenedict: RAID 0 isn't a real RAID type, and the chance that you can save all data on a failing RAID 0 is bad |
| 11:38.38 | Neobenedict | can *some* data be saved? |
| 11:38.43 | folivora | Brigo: yes: libpam-modules 1.1.8-3.1+deb8u2 |
| 11:38.48 | Neobenedict | this box would be designed to be kinda suicidal |
| 11:38.49 | Plushwolf | Yes, but it's not guaranteed |
| 11:38.54 | Neobenedict | none of the data is valuable to me |
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| 11:39.15 | Neobenedict | if seedbox has any definition to you :P |
| 11:39.19 | Brigo | folivora, /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/security/pam_rootok.so is in that package. |
| 11:39.21 | Plushwolf | The data you can rescue can also be corrupted data later |
| 11:39.37 | petn-randall | Neobenedict: Well, you usually can get strips of data back the size of the stripe size. Which usually is 256KB. |
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| 11:39.44 | Brigo | folivora, have you used strace before? |
| 11:39.47 | folivora | Brigo: yes I know, I did run apt-get upgrade today, after that it stopped working. |
| 11:39.49 | tw | nkuttler: packages I installed manually, not packages installed by the OS defaults or by dependencies of packages I requested. |
| 11:39.52 | folivora | Brigo: Yes. |
| 11:39.53 | BluesKaj | Hi all |
| 11:40.34 | petn-randall | Neobenedict: So if a disk fails, your files will look like this <256KB of data>, <26KB of data lost>, <256KB of data>, <256KB of data lost>, ... |
| 11:40.44 | Brigo | folivora, i would us it for checking what file is su missing. |
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| 11:41.47 | Brigo | folivora, are you using stretch, right? |
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| 11:44.43 | Neobenedict | petn-randall: i'm talking about a drive with bad sectors, for example |
| 11:44.45 | Neobenedict | that needs replacing |
| 11:44.51 | Neobenedict | the data is all there, or 99.9% of it |
| 11:44.58 | Plushwolf | impossible in a RAID 0 |
| 11:45.13 | Neobenedict | so with raid 0 you can't 'rebuild'? |
| 11:45.19 | Neobenedict | could you mirror the failing drive maybe |
| 11:45.21 | Neobenedict | or something like that |
| 11:45.24 | Plushwolf | If you don't have backups etc, not really |
| 11:45.38 | Neobenedict | sure you'll lose data |
| 11:45.51 | Plushwolf | Yes |
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| 11:46.07 | Neobenedict | does not know how he'll do this |
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| 11:47.14 | Brigo | Neobenedict, a backup? |
| 11:47.23 | Neobenedict | backups exist. |
| 11:47.29 | Neobenedict | it's just the case of redownloading 24TB of data |
| 11:47.33 | Neobenedict | would take... |
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| 11:47.35 | Neobenedict | calculates |
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| 11:48.00 | folivora | Brigo: Description:Debian GNU/Linux 8.7 (jessie) |
| 11:48.05 | Brigo | you have a raid0 with 24TB of data?? really?? |
| 11:48.10 | Neobenedict | 55 hours |
| 11:48.15 | Plushwolf | *facepalm* |
| 11:48.30 | Brigo | folivora, that's is weird, i am using it without problem, let me upgrade just now. |
| 11:48.32 | Neobenedict | which is not too bad, actually |
| 11:48.37 | Neobenedict | Brigo: ever heard of a torrent? |
| 11:48.46 | folivora | Brigo: this is i386 |
| 11:48.52 | folivora | I have two more with the same problem |
| 11:48.55 | Neobenedict | and yes, 24tb of linux isos |
| 11:48.57 | Neobenedict | :PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP |
| 11:49.02 | folivora | other 40 servers are running just fine |
| 11:49.15 | Brigo | Neobenedict, can't see the point. |
| 11:49.17 | Neobenedict | you are right. i'm not sure if it's sane. |
| 11:49.27 | Neobenedict | even if all the data exists out there, what if I get unlucky |
| 11:49.31 | Brigo | folivora, then check for problems, are the disks working ok? |
| 11:49.38 | folivora | Yes... |
| 11:49.40 | Neobenedict | 3 disks fail in a row |
| 11:49.44 | folivora | Replicated SAN-SSD ;) |
| 11:49.52 | Neobenedict | the alternative is say, a raid 5 |
| 11:49.55 | Plushwolf | 24 TB of ISOs ... are you joking are you a clutterer or so? |
| 11:50.03 | Neobenedict | Plushwolf: it's a joke. |
| 11:50.14 | folivora | Brigo: only thing what isn't working is this su |
| 11:50.23 | Plushwolf | I will hope so |
| 11:50.32 | folivora | I can install pkgs, login.. services are running just fine |
| 11:50.42 | Neobenedict | it is, however, slightly concerning. |
| 11:50.46 | Brigo | folivora, clearly there si something different in that server. |
| 11:50.59 | Brigo | is* |
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| 11:51.05 | Neobenedict | even if I have 'backups' (ie. other users in the swarm) of every single byte on the system, raid 0 may still be a bit suicidal |
| 11:51.12 | folivora | yes yes, but this came after upgrade. |
| 11:51.20 | Neobenedict | will have to think carefully |
| 11:51.30 | Brigo | folivora, didn't you upgrade the other servers? |
| 11:51.33 | Plushwolf | Neobenedict: Why have you choosen RAID 0 then ? |
| 11:52.03 | Brigo | Plushwolf, no waste space and more speed, i guess |
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| 11:52.43 | sruli | is it possible to somehow stop "dmsetup table --showkeys" ? scenario = i connect my personal drive to PC, admin ssh into PC executes "dmsetup table --showkeys" and has my masterkey |
| 11:53.00 | Neobenedict | Plushwolf: i haven't yet |
| 11:53.04 | Neobenedict | i'm still deciding |
| 11:53.19 | Neobenedict | i get an extra 6TB of space PLUS huge performance bonuses in raid 0 |
| 11:53.27 | Neobenedict | at the downside of drive failure risk |
| 11:53.28 | folivora | Brigo: libpam-systemd:i386 215-17+deb8u5, libpam0g:i386 1.1.8-3.1+deb8u1+b1, libpam-modules-bin:i386 1.1.8-3.1+deb8u1+b1, libpam-runtime:all 1.1.8-3.1+deb8u1 <- those packages were upgraded |
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| 11:53.50 | Brigo | folivora, the other servers asr i386 too? |
| 11:53.55 | Brigo | are* sorry |
| 11:54.47 | Plushwolf | Neobenedict: Next time you better use RAID10 |
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| 11:55.20 | tw | sruli: not possible, but I don't know how you decrypted it in the first place if you aren't root. The only mechanism I know of that root does not have access to is kernel keyrings where you can bind keys to user sessions. With a crafty kernel module, they would still be able to get the key though. |
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| 11:56.31 | sruli | tw: i decrypt it normal way as root, but admin has root access too.. just executing "dmsetup table --showkeys" gives them my masterkey |
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| 11:57.35 | Neobenedict | Plushwolf: the idea is not to lose 12TB of storage... |
| 11:57.55 | Neobenedict | essentially, i'm buying two 24TB boxes |
| 11:58.12 | Neobenedict | one will be my main server, the other the fast server |
| 11:58.20 | Neobenedict | raid 5 the main, raid 0 the fast |
| 11:58.24 | folivora | I did, and others are running just fine. There are just two servers with this problem. 1 x i386 1 x x86_64 |
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| 11:58.41 | tw | sruli: It's not readily avoidable. ext4 crypto is the closest I've seen to root-unreadable keys, but it is broken as heck for multi-user access re:pagecache. |
| 11:58.41 | Neobenedict | giving me 42TB of space |
| 11:58.43 | folivora | Thats why this is really confusing... |
| 11:59.20 | Plushwolf | Neobenedict: The idea of RAID is not to get the biggest space, the idea is to to keep data running when one disk is failing and keep is persitent |
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| 11:59.32 | Plushwolf | *it |
| 11:59.38 | Neobenedict | i know. |
| 11:59.45 | sruli | tw: shame, i my opinion dmcrypt --showkeys is a vulnerability |
| 11:59.51 | Neobenedict | hmm |
| 11:59.53 | Brigo | folivora, strace it then. |
| 12:00.00 | Neobenedict | maybe raid 0 two of the drives for the double performance boost |
| 12:00.10 | Neobenedict | and keep the others separate |
| 12:00.14 | Neobenedict | that way i only lose half my data |
| 12:00.19 | Neobenedict | and still get the performance boost |
| 12:00.26 | blackflow | Neobenedict: not quite |
| 12:00.27 | Neobenedict | required to saturate the pipe |
| 12:00.42 | blackflow | Neobenedict: if you lose a disk in raid 0, you lose everything, if mdadm or hw raid is in question |
| 12:00.48 | Plushwolf | Neobenedict: If data security is important to you then I would buy more hard disks and setting up a RAID10 ... performance (speed) + data security if one disk fails |
| 12:01.05 | Neobenedict | blackflow: I'm saying, 4 disks |
| 12:01.07 | Neobenedict | raid 0 two of them |
| 12:01.09 | Neobenedict | keep the other two separate |
| 12:01.10 | blackflow | Neobenedict: ah, k |
| 12:01.26 | Neobenedict | none of the data on this server is 'losable' |
| 12:01.26 | blackflow | Neobenedict: what's your end goal, actually? |
| 12:01.34 | Neobenedict | as much storage space as possible. |
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| 12:01.48 | blackflow | NoCode: persistence and durability, or performance of (easily replaceable) volatile data? |
| 12:01.49 | Neobenedict | however, I would like to saturate my pipe which is 125MB/s |
| 12:01.52 | blackflow | Neobenedict: ^^^^ |
| 12:01.55 | Neobenedict | and these drives write at 80-100MB/s |
| 12:02.11 | Neobenedict | it's easily replacable, volatile data, yes |
| 12:02.17 | blackflow | sequentially yes, but with torrents you don't get sequential writes |
| 12:02.24 | Brigo | Plushwolf, why raid10 i think raid5 is better option here |
| 12:02.27 | Neobenedict | they go all over the place |
| 12:02.41 | Neobenedict | still, with raid 0, it'll be writing to two drives, no? |
| 12:02.42 | blackflow | so your write speed is going to choke on iops and small block sizes will yield few dozen MB/s |
| 12:02.52 | Neobenedict | these are large block sizes 4MB+ |
| 12:03.00 | blackflow | ah k |
| 12:03.00 | Neobenedict | maybe 16 |
| 12:03.13 | Plushwolf | Brigo: Yes, RAID 5 is also a good idea |
| 12:03.39 | Neobenedict | for example |
| 12:03.39 | Neobenedict | 3187 x 4.00 MB (have 3187) |
| 12:03.48 | hicks__ | I like to waste a little storage space for the convenience of just swapping out a bad disk and losing no data. Even though there's backups, it's just such a waste of time restoring things. That said, everyone differs on that one :) |
| 12:03.48 | blackflow | Neobenedict: if you want to saturate throughput, don't use anything with parity. |
| 12:03.48 | Neobenedict | will I still get a performance boost from raid 0 in terms of write speed? |
| 12:04.04 | blackflow | Neobenedict: yes at the expense of no durability |
| 12:04.12 | Neobenedict | with 4MB pieces |
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| 12:04.42 | Neobenedict | blackflow: doesn't parity (raid 5) still result in a performance boost with 4 disks? |
| 12:05.04 | blackflow | Neobenedict: not that I know of, it has to calculate parity and is slower than a 2-way mirror |
| 12:05.18 | blackflow | has to write at least 3 disks at once |
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| 12:05.55 | tw | sruli: It's not really, it's just a different attack model than you're expecting. A root escalation already gives them kernel access in linux. It takes a lot of work to prevent that. |
| 12:05.56 | blackflow | Neobenedict: if you can replace the data but rather wouldn't then 2 x raid 0 (not raid 10!) is perhaps your best bet |
| 12:06.24 | blackflow | Neobenedict: but those need to be sata 3 and 6Gbps controller |
| 12:06.46 | Plushwolf | I can't sleep when I use raid0 ... :) |
| 12:06.55 | sruli | tw: i cant prevent admin from root access.. but i dont want admin to get masterkey of my private luks device... i understand its not avarage use case.. but its something that needs to be considered |
| 12:06.55 | blackflow | Neobenedict: also consider that at that scale you will inevitably get bitrot |
| 12:07.25 | blackflow | Neobenedict: maybe you should consider ZFS with multiple 2-way mirror vdevs |
| 12:07.53 | folivora | Brigo: https://paste.debian.net/914349/ |
| 12:07.56 | blackflow | you get the best of both worlds. it will balance writes across different vdevs simulating raid 0, but also keep data checksummed so you don't get corruption and a disk can fail. |
| 12:08.35 | blackflow | it's not strict raid 0, so if a disk in vdev mirror fails, it's replaceable. with strict raid 0, if a disk fails, all data on both is lost. |
| 12:08.57 | tw | sruli: Keep it unmounted. Prevent login of admin when it is mounted or force unmount it when they log in. As soon as you grant someone root access, you've granted them that trust. |
| 12:09.37 | Neobenedict | blackflow: probably |
| 12:09.46 | Neobenedict | doesn't zfs require a shitload of RAM? |
| 12:09.48 | Neobenedict | this isnt ECC ram |
| 12:09.54 | sruli | tw: cant work in practice... if i need root access while its mounted... |
| 12:10.02 | blackflow | Neobenedict: doesn't _require_ but benefits from it, and only on read heavy workloads |
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| 12:10.25 | Neobenedict | what sort of scale of bitrot are we talking |
| 12:10.27 | blackflow | Neobenedict: it also doesn't require ECC. if you don't have ECC, you don't lose anything over not using ZFS with no ECC |
| 12:10.42 | blackflow | Neobenedict: I read some google reports of 1 bit per 10TB guaranteed |
| 12:10.53 | Neobenedict | 1 bit per |
| 12:11.01 | blackflow | which can go either way in practice. you know the saying, lies, damn lies and statistics :) |
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| 12:11.21 | Neobenedict | well if that 1 bit is not the operating system's password file |
| 12:11.24 | blackflow | Neobenedict: some reports quote much highre numbers. there are some links on wikipedia under "silent data corruption" |
| 12:11.51 | Neobenedict | how do you "install" zfs |
| 12:11.57 | Neobenedict | do you have to ddo it while installing debian |
| 12:12.01 | blackflow | yah |
| 12:12.11 | Neobenedict | and zfs gives me 100% of the total capacity? |
| 12:12.21 | blackflow | Neobenedict: official docs: https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/wiki/Debian |
| 12:12.31 | blackflow | Neobenedict: sorry, I don't understand the last question? |
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| 12:13.33 | tw | sruli: the long and the short of it is dmcrypt does not protect against online attacks. It only protects against offline attacks. |
| 12:13.56 | Neobenedict | blackflow: ie, raid 1 cuts the usable storage in half |
| 12:13.58 | KlausedSource | hey all i'm trying to get my jessie to connect to open wifi on boot |
| 12:13.58 | Neobenedict | what does zfs do |
| 12:14.03 | tw | that's a problem for FDE in general |
| 12:14.21 | blackflow | Neobenedict: same thing, if you use a "mirror vdev" |
| 12:14.22 | sruli | tw: i fully understand... would have been nice to need an existing passphrase to see masterkey or to add new key |
| 12:14.27 | KlausedSource | iface wlan0 inet dhcp |
| 12:14.27 | KlausedSource | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:14.27 | KlausedSource | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:14.40 | KlausedSource | is my settings in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:14.41 | blackflow | Neobenedict: there's some slight increase of storage space due to extra metadata per block but that's insignificant |
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| 12:14.56 | Neobenedict | you mean decrease |
| 12:15.04 | tw | sruli: I agree with you there, but that's what the root password is. You have to adapt your access control model around the utilities available, I'm afraid. |
| 12:15.08 | blackflow | Neobenedict: yes, decrease, I ment to say increase of storage space _used_ |
| 12:15.15 | KlausedSource | when i ifup wlan0 it tries to dhcp discover to 255.255.255.255 which ofc can't work |
| 12:15.19 | Neobenedict | hmm well |
| 12:15.32 | Neobenedict | if i put the operating system on disk 1, then raid 0/zfs the other 3 |
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| 12:16.15 | KlausedSource | or well i actually have no idea why it doesn't work. does it mean my client is connected with the SSID already and DHCPs after and that fails or does it mean the connection itself doesn't get established? |
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| 12:16.41 | blackflow | Neobenedict: I don't think zfs has raid 0 per se |
| 12:17.03 | blackflow | Neobenedict: it can simulate it by striping two or more _mirror_ vdevs, but not use two disks for the 0 level |
| 12:17.04 | sruli | tw: maybe i can use a wrapper for dmcrypt table? it should just touch a file, that way i will know masterkey might be compromised |
| 12:17.06 | blackflow | (afaik) |
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| 12:17.24 | blackflow | Neobenedict: so you best use 4 disk at minimum |
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| 12:17.40 | Neobenedict | well, for the other server, i'll use raid 5 |
| 12:17.46 | Neobenedict | and pray i odnt have 2 disks fail at once |
| 12:18.07 | blackflow | Neobenedict: happend to me, despite the odds :) |
| 12:18.07 | Neobenedict | its less about losing data, more the setup time |
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| 12:18.29 | blackflow | Neobenedict: in fact, I didn't even have raid 5, but simple 2-way mirror. one disk failed, got replaced and while the replacement was resilvering, the other failed. :) |
| 12:18.34 | tw | sruli: if you're willing to sacrifice performance, maybe put the crypto volume on a NFS-over-ipsec share to which the remote admin does not have access? |
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| 12:18.49 | Plushwolf | Please also remember that a RAID can't replace a complete backup of the data :) |
| 12:19.00 | blackflow | Neobenedict: so some people recommend staying away from raid 5 because the parity thing puts extra strain on other two disks when resilvering |
| 12:19.16 | hicks__ | I use zfs raidz1 atm with 3 disks, but really want to be running raidz2 with 6 disks. Speed wise it's fine and the GB network is the main bottleneck |
| 12:19.25 | Plushwolf | I use & recommend RAID 10 |
| 12:19.34 | Neobenedict | Plushwolf: i'll back the servers up on each other |
| 12:19.34 | blackflow | Plushwolf: ++ |
| 12:19.34 | Neobenedict | ;) |
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| 12:19.47 | blackflow | Plushwolf: or in ZFS parlance, striped mirror vdevs :) |
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| 12:20.10 | Neobenedict | tricky business |
| 12:20.18 | blackflow | Neobenedict: with ZFS you can simply "zfs send" from one to another over ssh. Easiest data replication I've seen. :) |
| 12:20.29 | Neobenedict | i'm wondering |
| 12:20.34 | Neobenedict | if i can just copy entire partitions at once |
| 12:20.36 | Neobenedict | to another server |
| 12:20.48 | Neobenedict | for "backup purposes" |
| 12:20.51 | blackflow | I can't imagine running anything other than ZFS nowadays. except well backed up ext4 for database (with postgres' checksumming enabled) |
| 12:20.55 | Neobenedict | since... the operating system is a tiny baby in the grand scale of 48TB |
| 12:21.12 | blackflow | Neobenedict: yes, with zfs it's a piece of cake |
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| 12:21.33 | Neobenedict | zfs is a whole other realm |
| 12:21.37 | blackflow | zfs send -Rv dataset/in/question | ssh ... 'zfs recv -eu target/dataset/' |
| 12:21.59 | blackflow | (sans that last trailing slash) |
| 12:22.11 | blackflow | Neobenedict: it is, but well worth learning and using |
| 12:22.28 | blackflow | took me a year before I was confident enough to put it in production, never regretted it. |
| 12:22.30 | Neobenedict | well guys |
| 12:22.41 | Neobenedict | when i come here in x days crying about my drive has failed and i've lost everything |
| 12:22.44 | Neobenedict | then you can laugh at me |
| 12:23.01 | blackflow | stocks on popcorn |
| 12:23.14 | Neobenedict | my current server |
| 12:23.14 | Neobenedict | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:23.26 | Neobenedict | 3 years straight no problems on 4 disks |
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| 12:23.30 | Neobenedict | i think my luck is running out |
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| 12:24.06 | Night_Elf | But for situations when using consumer grade disks, around 500GB or 2TB, is zfs something worth it? I have never used it, I have no knowledge whatsoever of it. |
| 12:24.07 | folivora | Brigo: seems that there is a typo in /etc/pam.d/su file: pam_rootok.s should ofcourse be pam_rootok.so' |
| 12:24.22 | blackflow | Neobenedict: I've had 5yr old Seagates (yes, Seagates) in miraculously flawless production :) |
| 12:24.33 | blackflow | I chickened out and replaced before they actually failed. |
| 12:24.44 | Neobenedict | im thinking |
| 12:24.48 | Neobenedict | raid 5 on server 1 |
| 12:25.11 | Neobenedict | raid 0 on 3 disks + spare 4th 'backup' disk that runs the operating system and backups of server 1 on server 2 |
| 12:25.16 | Neobenedict | then backup server 2's OS on server 1 |
| 12:25.18 | Neobenedict | gah this is complicated |
| 12:25.31 | blackflow | Night_Elf: I'd always say yes in favor of ZFS regardless of kind and number of disks. I've been using it even on my signle disk usb backups, with copies=2 (for bitrot protection) |
| 12:25.41 | petn-randall | Neobenedict: Doesn't make much sense for server 2. |
| 12:25.47 | folivora | Brigo: Access: 2017-02-14 08:12:50.572000000 +0200 <- time stamp when i did run apt-get upgrade |
| 12:26.05 | Neobenedict | petn-randall: ? |
| 12:26.41 | petn-randall | Neobenedict: Why have the OS on a different disk? If that fails, the system is just as dead as if you had the whole thing on RAID 0. |
| 12:26.43 | Night_Elf | blackflow: I see. Is it feasible to start playing with in on a vm where the virtual disk is around 10GB, and then start adding new ones ? |
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| 12:27.37 | blackflow | Night_Elf: yup. |
| 12:27.49 | petn-randall | Neobenedict: Also, I'd only go with RAID 0 if you have proven that RAID 1, 10, or 5 doesn't keep up with your workload. |
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| 12:28.01 | tw | Night_Elf: 20GB minimum for a linux VM, 30GB for a windows one, 10GB if it's a really tiny install like alpine/freebsd/minix. |
| 12:28.27 | tw | 30GB is cutting it close for win10 as well. |
| 12:29.23 | Night_Elf | blackflow: tw: I see. Hmm. So then my disk will need to be emptied first if I want to create 2-3 chunks of 30-50GB virtual disks. |
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| 12:30.09 | Neobenedict | petn-randall: yes, if that disk fails |
| 12:30.16 | Neobenedict | but assume every disk as an equal chance of failure |
| 12:30.44 | Neobenedict | if the server is 4xraid 0 |
| 12:30.48 | Neobenedict | then if any disk fails, the OS is dead |
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| 12:33.00 | blackflow | Neobenedict: and the cure for that is using something like Ansible to quickly reinstall the OS and configure it :) |
| 12:33.35 | blackflow | Night_Elf: with qemu/kvm? |
| 12:33.54 | tw | Night_Elf: you can make the zfs slices smaller if you want. I've always had problems keeping a debian install, especially one with a DE and build-essential under 10-12GB. |
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| 12:34.35 | Night_Elf | blackflow: either that, or virtualbox. |
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| 12:35.09 | blackflow | Night_Elf: well I was thinking if you used qemu/kvm, then assign raw partitions as virtual disks, not files. working with files is atrociously slow. |
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| 12:35.20 | blackflow | Night_Elf: no idea if VirtualBox can do that or how. |
| 12:35.21 | Night_Elf | tw: My idea is to create a vm that will use zfs. I will only use it to play and learn the zfs concepts. |
| 12:36.07 | Night_Elf | blackflow: Ah I see. I will see that possibility then, with another additional disk. |
| 12:36.22 | tw | Night_Elf: blackflow makes an important point. QEMU can take LV passthrough, which will get you a lot of disk performance. |
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| 12:36.51 | Night_Elf | I understand. |
| 12:37.18 | tw | virt-manager gives you a pretty decent interface to work with as well. Maybe not as nice as virtualbox, but my experience with vbox has been spotty anyway. |
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| 12:39.25 | petn-randall | Neobenedict: The problem isn't that disks fail, that happens all the time. The problem is that your system is gone when a disk fails since you don't have redundancy. |
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| 12:40.53 | tw | Night_Elf: when dealing with VMs, early investment in apt-cacher-ng will pay off in time savings when doing multiple installs pretty quick. |
| 12:40.54 | Neobenedict | petn-randall: i can backup the OS on my other server. |
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| 12:41.39 | blackflow | Neobenedict: I think you're overthinking this. if you have 4 disks on a machine, then either go with ZFS (my recommendation) or mdadm that thing into raid 10. |
| 12:41.41 | petn-randall | Neobenedict: You'll still have downtime and loose any data since the last backup. |
| 12:41.49 | nfahldieck | Hi everyone, I'm looking for an option to limit clamscan's max tmp usage. I'm running clamAV 0.99.2 on Debian-8. |
| 12:42.03 | blackflow | Neobenedict: you can also use LVM + ext4 if you don't want ZFS and have _some_ level of snapshott-y backup available to the other server. |
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| 12:42.28 | blackflow | although personally I'd just rsync that thing, if no ZFS is available. |
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| 12:43.07 | Night_Elf | tw: I read you. Am checking all these things right now. |
| 12:43.29 | Night_Elf | Thank you also for the advices, tw, blackflow. |
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| 12:44.00 | blackflow | Night_Elf: consider using a hot-swappable chassis so you can have minimum or no downtime at all when a disk needs replacement. |
| 12:44.13 | blackflow | *hot-swap enabled chassis |
| 12:44.33 | blackflow | or whatever the friggin term is. one of them macheeens that can swap out a hd while running :) |
| 12:44.41 | tw | if it's just vms, that's less feasible ;) |
| 12:45.52 | Night_Elf | blackflow: Could I use a kind of a hot swad disk bay? A friend has one that gets placed where the DVD-Rom drive goes, connects via normal sata cable and it claims to provide hot swap capabilities to the disk that gets placed there. |
| 12:46.08 | Night_Elf | hot swap disk bay* |
| 12:46.52 | Night_Elf | The disks it accepts are normal sata hard disks. |
| 12:47.35 | blackflow | Night_Elf: oh sorry, that was for Neobenedict :) |
| 12:47.39 | blackflow | I see now what tw meant |
| 12:47.53 | blackflow | y'all N<tab>-s :) |
| 12:47.56 | tw | Night_Elf: re:disk bay, your AHCI controller must have hotswap support for that to work, but yes. |
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| 12:49.56 | Night_Elf | I'll check that. I don't remember whether my controller has support for that. Will do that when I get home. |
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| 12:52.10 | tw | It'd be pretty rare for it not to. My H87 had it; support goes back as far as ICH6 or 7 for intel chipsets, not sure on AMD. |
| 12:53.57 | Rembo | where can i get apt/sources for debian 6 ? |
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| 13:08.02 | IFightForTheUser | Is there a text editor which provides intelligent word completion, inline? |
| 13:08.17 | IFightForTheUser | And maybe fixes your spelling as you go? |
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| 13:09.31 | blackflow | IFightForTheUser: word completion for what? vim has some plugins. |
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| 13:09.47 | IFightForTheUser | without pressing extra key combos. |
| 13:09.57 | IFightForTheUser | automatically do things inline |
| 13:10.26 | IFightForTheUser | https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/128377/editor-with-word-like-word-completion-feature |
| 13:10.37 | IFightForTheUser | Looking here and there, just wondered if anyone here knew too |
| 13:10.57 | blackflow | then no, I don't know, sorry (other than highly specilized like PyCharm for python code editing) |
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| 13:11.13 | IFightForTheUser | No, just regular English typing for writers/authors |
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| 13:11.23 | IFightForTheUser | Thanks, buddy |
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| 13:13.14 | IFightForTheUser | Kate editor, which I use has it, in stable, but it only does it for words which you have already typed. |
| 13:13.16 | IFightForTheUser | :/ |
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| 13:13.57 | IFightForTheUser | Specifically for writers I'm looking for an editor that offers a drop down possible word list when you start typing and it reduces as you type more and you can also arrow key to pick a word from that list |
| 13:14.02 | IFightForTheUser | vim will do if it can do it |
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| 13:14.17 | IFightForTheUser | emacs will do, whatever hackery we can do, will do. Any ideas? |
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| 13:14.45 | IFightForTheUser | (Not just the words you have typed, but also words from the English dictionary) |
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| 13:18.22 | seoner | wheezy vs jessie? |
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| 13:18.27 | IFightForTheUser | https://github.com/alvinj/TypeAhead |
| 13:18.39 | IFightForTheUser | seoner, who me? Jessie stable |
| 13:19.13 | seoner | IFightForTheUser: so wheezy is pretty bad to use? |
| 13:19.21 | IFightForTheUser | Never used it, I dunno. |
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| 13:21.26 | babilen | seoner: jessie is the current stable release and will be replaced by "stretch" soon. Why do you consider running wheezy at all at this time? |
| 13:23.50 | seoner | babilen: i heard some people run wheezy for server because its still secure. not true? |
| 13:24.24 | babilen | Those people run wheezy because they cannot upgrade to jessie for one reason or another. I would strongly recommend to *not* deploy new systems with it. |
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| 13:27.34 | seoner | where can i find correct /etc/apt/sources.list for jessie? |
| 13:27.39 | seoner | i need it for update |
| 13:27.53 | babilen | dpkg: jessie sources.list |
| 13:27.53 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
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| 13:29.35 | seoner | babilen: can you pastebin ur list? :) |
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| 13:31.08 | babilen | seoner: Just use the one mentioned by the bot ^^^ add "contrib non-free" if you use those |
| 13:32.20 | seoner | im using this |
| 13:32.22 | seoner | http://pastebin.com/gVMDc8LM |
| 13:32.28 | seoner | but i get some error |
| 13:32.35 | seoner | Err http://httpredir.debian.org jessie-updates/main i386 Packages |
| 13:32.38 | seoner | Err http://httpredir.debian.org jessie-updates/non-free i386 Packages |
| 13:32.41 | seoner | do you know why? |
| 13:32.43 | babilen | Yes, use the entries above |
| 13:33.09 | babilen | Add deb-src entries and "contrib non-free" and you're done |
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| 13:34.09 | rocket__ | hi |
| 13:34.15 | rocket__ | do u recommend to use sshfs on debian? |
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| 13:34.23 | rocket__ | it also needs fuse |
| 13:34.33 | rocket__ | i think its a more secure way instead of samba? |
| 13:34.48 | Pavr | if you need it and it suits your purpose do it. |
| 13:35.19 | petn-randall | rocket__: Depends on your use case. Windows can't access sshfs out of the box, for example. |
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| 13:36.07 | rocket__ | you can instlall it on windows too i think |
| 13:36.16 | rocket__ | im kinda worried about the samba security |
| 13:36.22 | rocket__ | which doesnt seem to be very good |
| 13:36.32 | rocket__ | probably sshfs is a better way to go |
| 13:36.46 | rocket__ | what do u you think petn-randall ? |
| 13:36.49 | tx | rocket__: it's pretty slow |
| 13:37.05 | rocket__ | ok i can imagine, its all encrypted |
| 13:37.11 | netvor | hi guys, I have this "dirty" repo that is just a directory of few deb packages that I update by `dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip -c9 > Packages.gz` that is on Jessie |
| 13:37.22 | rocket__ | tx, so better use samba and make it save? |
| 13:37.35 | netvor | the repo works on Jessie but not on stretch, which gives up upon not finding Release file |
| 13:37.42 | netvor | can I work around it somehow? |
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| 13:37.59 | rocket__ | well i could stop the samba service and only let it run manually for example |
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| 13:38.18 | Rembo | where can i get apt/sources for debian 6 ? |
| 13:38.27 | seoner | babilen: http://pastebin.com/HF75F16X <- this looks good for you? |
| 13:38.35 | jelly | Rembo: ask the bot: /msg dpkg squeeze sources.list |
| 13:38.41 | netvor | the .list file is just `deb http://apt.vornet.cz/unofficial ./` |
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| 13:39.32 | jelly | netvor: go investigate reprepro or something similar and set up a slightly less dirty-hack of a repo |
| 13:39.42 | seoner | Err http://deb.debian.org jessie-updates/main i386 Packages |
| 13:39.44 | seoner | Err http://deb.debian.org jessie-updates/non-free i386 Packages |
| 13:39.48 | seoner | two error again |
| 13:39.48 | Gentoochild | hello dear gurus. I have a quick question about dpkg-buildpackage. If I am wrong here, feel free to redirect me. :) |
| 13:40.10 | seoner | why do i get two errors from that sources.list? |
| 13:40.20 | Gentoochild | I am trying to build a qt package from sources. When I execute debian/rules build, all goes well. But when I use dpkg-buildpackage, it always fails when running a chmod command with "Invalid argument". Does that ring any bell with you? |
| 13:40.24 | seoner | http://pastebin.com/HF75F16X |
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| 13:41.09 | rocket__ | what do u guys use for remote FS? |
| 13:41.11 | rocket__ | samba? |
| 13:42.10 | Pavr | depends on what im doing |
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| 13:43.15 | netvor | jelly: hm, thanks but these seem too much work forthis stage of my project |
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| 13:44.00 | netvor | jelly: I was not trying to set up anyting of a proper repo, I was just curious why on Jessie it works but not on Stretch |
| 13:44.10 | seoner | anybody? |
| 13:44.21 | rocket__ | so if i want to disable samba its just systemctl disable smb, right? |
| 13:45.03 | seoner | babilen: Do you know why I get this error messages? |
| 13:45.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | seoner, if the http redirection urls don't work for you,you can also use http://ftp.<countrycode>.debian.net/debian stable main (where <countrycode> is the top level domain of where you are, like, us, se, de, … ) |
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| 13:45.46 | babilen | Don't use "stable", but "jessie" |
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| 13:46.11 | netvor | I guess I'll stick back to dpkg -i on the stretch machine then... |
| 13:46.16 | seoner | babilen: who are you talking about? |
| 13:46.44 | babilen | "http://ftp.<countrycode>.debian.net/debian stable main" → "http://ftp.<countrycode>.debian.net/debian jessie main" |
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| 13:47.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, yeah… better use the codename "jessie". comes from typing it instead of copying it |
| 13:47.13 | petn-randall | rocket__: That's why I said "out of the box". |
| 13:47.20 | seoner | http://pastebin.com/HF75F16X |
| 13:47.23 | seoner | Im using this |
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| 13:47.30 | seoner | there is no stable in there? |
| 13:47.44 | seoner | Err http://deb.debian.org jessie-updates/main i386 Packages |
| 13:47.49 | seoner | Err http://deb.debian.org jessie-updates/non-free i386 Packages |
| 13:47.59 | rocket__ | petn-randall, yeah you are right well i think its secure do start it manually if you have to copy stuff |
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| 13:48.44 | petn-randall | rocket__: You shouldn't use SMB over the internet, anyway. So SMB and sshfs have two different use cases. |
| 13:49.22 | seoner | CutMeOwnThroat: they work. but I do not know why I get the error message? |
| 13:49.41 | rocket__ | petn-randall, i dont do use it over the inet, but ppl can also hack into your lan |
| 13:49.43 | jelly | netvor: apt has had some nice changes in the meantime |
| 13:50.08 | netvor | that's a good thiing for sure! :) |
| 13:50.33 | netvor | I can't wait to really properly set up it all with GPG and all |
| 13:50.58 | netvor | that'll be a reward for me :) |
| 13:51.07 | seoner | nobody? |
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| 13:51.50 | seoner | you want me to paste full logs? |
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| 13:52.32 | petn-randall | !bat |
| 13:52.32 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 13:52.36 | petn-randall | seoner: ^^^ |
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| 13:55.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | seoner, deb.debian.org urls use http redirection to give you a mirror close to you. (as you get explained when you just visit http://deb.debian.org). While I also don't *know* what is the cause, it's most likely, that they cannot find a "good" mirror for your location for whatever reason. |
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| 13:55.29 | seoner | http://pastebin.com/WmUNF2vm |
| 13:55.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | petn-randall, I think we already had it covered :) |
| 13:55.41 | seoner | http://pastebin.com/WmUNF2vm <--- errors here |
| 13:56.00 | seoner | http://pastebin.com/HF75F16X <-- my sources.list |
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| 13:58.57 | seoner | petn-randall: do you have everything you need? |
| 13:59.27 | lroe | I'm trying to apt-get build-dep python3-requests from sid, but I get the error: Picking 'requests' as source package instead of 'python3-requests' E: Build-Depends dependency for requests cannot be satisfied because candidate version of package python-urllib3 can't satisfy version requirements |
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| 14:00.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah… the joys of backporting |
| 14:00.07 | seoner | CutMeOwnThroat: you can check out the two links? Maybe you can see what is wrong |
| 14:00.13 | rocket__ | wow ecryptfs is really fast |
| 14:00.32 | rocket__ | fun to play around with all this sec stuff on debian |
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| 14:00.36 | jelly | judd: checkbackports python3-requests --fromrelease sid |
| 14:00.41 | rocket__ | anyway back to work, later |
| 14:00.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | seoner, I told you what I think is wrong… |
| 14:01.18 | jelly | kicks judd |
| 14:01.37 | seoner | CutMeOwnThroat: Do you know how I solve this? |
| 14:01.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, checkbackport python3-requests |
| 14:01.40 | judd | Backporting package python3-requests in sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: python-urllib3 (>= 1.19.1), python3-urllib3 (>= 1.19.1). |
| 14:01.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | seoner, I thought the urls with a country code worked for you |
| 14:02.10 | seoner | CutMeOwnThroat: what urls? |
| 14:02.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, checkbackport python-urllib3 |
| 14:02.13 | judd | Backporting package python-urllib3 in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
| 14:02.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | the ones… that worked? [14:49] <seoner> CutMeOwnThroat: they work. but I do not know why I get the error message? |
| 14:03.26 | seoner | CutMeOwnThroat: I dont have them now. Do you know how to solve this or not? |
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| 14:04.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | which country are you in? |
| 14:04.12 | seoner | NL |
| 14:04.50 | seoner | Netherlands |
| 14:05.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | then try "deb deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ jessie main non-free contrib" and see if that one works |
| 14:06.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops, only one deb, of course |
| 14:06.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | "deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ jessie main non-free contrib" |
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| 14:06.51 | babilen | Also paste the complete command and output to http://paste.debian.net |
| 14:07.04 | babilen | doesn't look at pastebin.com |
| 14:07.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks at babilen who doesn't look at pastebin.com |
| 14:07.25 | seoner | babilen: I already did! |
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| 14:07.45 | babilen | Where? |
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| 14:08.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | maybe you can look at http://pastebin.com/raw/WmUNF2vm :P |
| 14:08.50 | Night_Elf | I installed openvpn via the repos of openvpn project, then uninstalled it. Then I installed it from sources. Now when I do "man openvpn" I get this message: man: can't resolve /usr/share/man/man8/openvpn.8.gz: No such file or directory. |
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| 14:09.16 | Night_Elf | The man page appears properly anyway, as it is under /usr/local/share/ But How can I fix that message ? |
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| 14:09.44 | seoner | babilen |
| 14:10.05 | seoner | scroll up |
| 14:10.14 | babilen | I don't think that contains the output for ftp.nl.debian.org nor the command |
| 14:10.32 | seoner | babilen: what do you mean? |
| 14:10.44 | seoner | CutMeOwnThroat: thank you. no errors now. |
| 14:10.50 | babilen | http://pastebin.com/raw/WmUNF2vm is for deb.debian.org |
| 14:11.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | \o/ |
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| 14:11.19 | babilen | We moved on and ftp.nl.debian.org was suggested. I'd like to see the errors with that. |
| 14:11.37 | babilen | But apparently there are none, so ... |
| 14:11.43 | jelly | lroe: so you'd need to first backport and install python-urllib3 to be able to backport python3-requests ... |
| 14:11.50 | seoner | CutMeOwnThroat: what about http://security.debian.org/ and http://deb.debian.org/debian/ , should i change this as well? |
| 14:12.11 | lroe | jelly, yea, I figured that out. Thanks. the bigger problem is that urllib3 requires python3.3 |
| 14:12.16 | babilen | seoner: I'd stick to a single mirror and sec.d.o |
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| 14:12.31 | lroe | and I don't think it is a good idea to ssb python3 |
| 14:12.47 | jelly | ,v python3 |
| 14:12.49 | judd | Package: python3 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2.3-6; jessie: 3.4.2-2; stretch: 3.5.3-1; sid: 3.5.3-1 |
| 14:12.56 | jelly | lroe: are you on wheezy? |
| 14:13.03 | lroe | jelly, yea |
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| 14:13.18 | seoner | babilen: http://pastebin.com/Wy8MSyLn <- this is my sources.list right now. do you like it? |
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| 14:14.20 | jelly | lroe: get thee to jessie at least, then, or fake the build deps and hope urllib3 doesn't _really_ need 3.3 |
| 14:14.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | seoner, security.debian.org has no mirrors, so don't change that… change all other cases of deb.debian.org (but if the 2nd one doesn't give you errors, it seems to have been a temporary problem anyway) |
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| 14:16.05 | seoner | CutMeOwnThroat: Sorry Im confused. can you tell me if I should change something more? |
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| 14:16.42 | babilen | seoner: Please use http://paste.debian.net (or any pastebin that isn't pastebin.com such as http://paste.debian.net, https://gist.github.com, http://sprunge.us, … ) |
| 14:16.54 | Night_Elf | Ok, I fixed the message "man: can't resolve /usr/share/man/man8/openvpn.8.gz: No such file or directory." by running mandb as root. |
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| 14:17.19 | babilen | seoner: And I already noted that I would stick to sec.d.o and a single mirror. As ftp.nl.debian.org doesn't seem to cause problems for you at the moment, why not use that? |
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| 14:18.02 | seoner | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/914373/ - this is my sources.list |
| 14:18.17 | seoner | CutMeOwnThroat: http://paste.debian.net/914373/ - this is my sources.list |
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| 14:19.39 | seoner | So im ready to go? |
| 14:19.45 | babilen | seoner: Yes, you are mixing ftp.nl.debian.org and deb.debian.org |
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| 14:20.04 | seoner | babilen: what do you want me to do? |
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| 14:20.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | change the last line also to: deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main contrib non-free |
| 14:20.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | so that it's not using two different mirrors |
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| 14:22.09 | seoner | http://paste.debian.net/914375/ |
| 14:22.17 | seoner | CutMeOwnThroat: Im ready to go now? :) |
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| 14:23.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | if it works, it works :) |
| 14:24.07 | seoner | Thank you :) |
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| 14:36.12 | thurstylark | I have a machine that supports AHCI, and it's enabled, but I'm not able to hotplug SATA. Whenever I plug a drive in, the drive powers up, but it doesn't ever come up. Is there something extra I need to do on my end? |
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| 14:37.50 | Brigo | thurstylark, have you checked logs? |
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| 14:38.16 | thurstylark | Brigo: nothing comes up in dmesg when I unplug and plug it back in. |
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| 14:39.08 | lroe | jelly, how do I fake the build deps? |
| 14:39.15 | Brigo | thurstylark, then i don't know, maybe a hardware/bios problem? |
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| 14:39.54 | thurstylark | Brigo: must be. It comes up if I boot with the drive installed, just not hotplug |
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| 14:40.43 | Brigo | thurstylark, sad. |
| 14:40.49 | thurstylark | ikr |
| 14:41.31 | seoner | im stucked |
| 14:41.32 | seoner | samba (2:4.2.10+dfsg-0+deb8u1) jessie-security; urgency=high |
| 14:41.32 | seoner | : |
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| 14:41.38 | seoner | what should i do? |
| 14:41.52 | seoner | upgrade wheezy to jessie |
| 14:41.57 | Brigo | thurstylark, maybe this link is useful: https://evanhoffman.com/2011/10/24/rescan-sata-bus-aka-hot-adding-a-sata-disk-on-a-linux-guest-in-vmware-without-rebooting/ |
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| 14:42.26 | petn-randall | seoner: As always, please provide all information: |
| 14:42.27 | petn-randall | !bat |
| 14:42.28 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 14:42.44 | seoner | petn-randall: there is nothing to paste really |
| 14:42.53 | petn-randall | seoner: So no problem? |
| 14:42.55 | seoner | petn-randall: i dont think you read what i wrote |
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| 14:43.21 | petn-randall | seoner: Hard to say, you just provided a line from a changelog without any context. |
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| 14:43.37 | petn-randall | seoner: And then asked "what should i do?". |
| 14:44.04 | seoner | petn-randall: should i read the page and continue installation? |
| 14:44.13 | petn-randall | seoner: Which page? |
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| 14:44.26 | seoner | petn-randall: that i paste |
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| 14:44.40 | petn-randall | seoner: Provide a complete paste of that you're seeing. |
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| 14:44.47 | RM982 | guys, couple issues with my displays after a dist-upgrade, the main display used to turn on automatically when I start the computer, not anymore, the secodary display now start deactivated, I need to enable it manually from settings/display in XFCE |
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| 14:44.52 | RM982 | Debian 9 |
| 14:45.02 | thurstylark | Brigo: I'll try this out. thanks! |
| 14:45.10 | Brigo | thurstylark, yw, good luck :) |
| 14:45.17 | petn-randall | seoner: Wait, you're seeing a list of changelogs? From apt-listchanges? Then read it (or not), and then press q to close it. |
| 14:45.39 | seoner | petn-randall: yes, i guess. |
| 14:45.55 | seoner | petn-randall: ENTER provides me more and more text. |
| 14:46.18 | seoner | petn-randall: thank you |
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| 14:48.33 | petn-randall | seoner: That is probably the output piped to the command 'more'. If you install 'less', you can actually scroll around in it. |
| 14:48.46 | seoner | http://paste.debian.net/914380/ |
| 14:48.52 | seoner | what should i do about this? |
| 14:49.26 | petn-randall | seoner: What don't you understand? |
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| 14:49.46 | seoner | petn-randall: how do i close this programs? |
| 14:50.23 | seoner | petn-randall: well it says to close them. but how? |
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| 14:50.54 | petn-randall | seoner: Is your screensaver currently running? |
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| 14:51.22 | seoner | petn-randall: i dont know. how do i check? |
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| 14:51.32 | petn-randall | seoner: Look at your screen. Is it locked? |
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| 14:51.56 | seoner | petn-randall: ScreenLock? |
| 14:52.06 | petn-randall | seoner: Do you currently see a screensaver running? |
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| 14:53.17 | seoner | petn-randall: I have a "screen lock" on the side of "clock" |
| 14:53.24 | seoner | petn-randall: i dont reallyk now. |
| 14:53.39 | petn-randall | seoner: A screensaver looks like this: https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-BDdfMA_93iM/UQsasyE_4KI/AAAAAAAAGTs/s0Sgc8FfKNg/s1600/xscreensaver2.png |
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| 14:54.07 | seoner | petn-randall: yes i have it |
| 14:54.18 | petn-randall | seoner: Is you screen currently locked with a screensaver? |
| 14:54.22 | petn-randall | *your |
| 14:54.24 | greycat | This conversation is completely bewildering. |
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| 14:54.46 | petn-randall | greycat: I know m( |
| 14:54.49 | seoner | petn-randall: if it was, I could not write to you, do you think that? |
| 14:54.58 | petn-randall | seoner: Correct. |
| 14:55.01 | greycat | "Is your door closed?" "How would I know?" "Look at the door. Is it closed?" "I see the door." |
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| 14:55.42 | seoner | petn-randall: so what do I do? |
| 14:55.42 | petn-randall | seoner: As long as you don't let your screensaver lock before rebooting, you're fine. |
| 14:55.49 | tomcres | greycat reminds me of Zork |
| 14:55.57 | seoner | petn-randall: ok |
| 14:56.16 | centrx | "Is the house yellow?" "This side of the house is yellow." |
| 14:56.52 | petn-randall | seoner: You can also check on the commandline with 'ps auxw | grep xscreen'. |
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| 14:57.24 | greycat | "The fact that you can actually open a window and type commands in it might be an indication that your screen IS NOT LOCKED, duh?" |
| 14:57.26 | seoner | petn-randall: new issue. http://paste.debian.net/914382/ |
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| 14:57.59 | petn-randall | seoner: DO you actually read those things, or you just blindly pasting them here? |
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| 14:58.25 | seoner | petn-randall: ofc I read them. But dont know what to do? |
| 14:58.34 | petn-randall | seoner: THINK, and make a decision. |
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| 14:59.01 | petn-randall | It's a simple yes or no question that you can answer for yourself. |
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| 14:59.27 | seoner | petn-randall: This services means like openvpn, yes? |
| 14:59.27 | petn-randall | Do I know if you want to be prompted when services need restarting? No. |
| 14:59.53 | petn-randall | seoner: It means whatever services need restarting, whatever those services are. |
| 14:59.53 | greycat | how in the hell is this person running a VPN |
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| 15:01.20 | petn-randall | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
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| 15:01.39 | seoner | petn-randall: btw http://paste.debian.net/914384/ |
| 15:01.48 | seoner | petn-randall: Looks good for you? |
| 15:02.02 | petn-randall | wonders why someone has debconf priority "low" if they don't understand the questions. |
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| 15:02.27 | strk | how do I mount an Windows (SMB) device ? |
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| 15:02.36 | strk | he mate file browser tells me that "Location" is smb://audiorequest/ |
| 15:02.56 | petn-randall | seoner: You can kill that process with 'kill 6844' if you're scared your screensaver might accidentally kick in. |
| 15:03.10 | petn-randall | sorry, 'kill 3122'. |
| 15:03.24 | greycat | Is he doing a dist-upgrade inside a desktop environment? If so, WHY? |
| 15:03.39 | seoner | petn-randall: Thank you sir. What do you mean with 'debconf priority "low"'? :) |
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| 15:17.14 | seoner | petn-randall: Do you know anything about the "Can delete old directory. Directory not empty." message? |
| 15:17.22 | seoner | Cant |
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| 15:21.06 | todd_dsm | Hey guys, looking for the difference in 8.7 vs. 86+1 on https://wiki.debian.org/Cloud/AmazonEC2Image/Jessie. |
| 15:21.33 | klys | seoner, perhaps one of the files in there was open while rm attempted to process the directory. check it and make sure any files left in there aren't also in the output of lsof. if this was part of a package removal, perhaps there was just a stray file in there that was put there some other way that didn't belong. |
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| 15:22.15 | BluesKaj | when booting to debian i receive this message just after the post page," need a new version of e2fsck" , I already have the latest version or is this an error ? |
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| 15:22.58 | seoner | klys: it is something to worry about? how do I check? |
| 15:23.47 | tomcres | BluesKaj, it means that your disk was formatted with a newer version of an ext? filesystem than the system fsck supports. When you installed Jessie, was the disk already formatted by a newer kernel version than what you're using now? |
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| 15:24.07 | klys | blueskaj, dpkg-reconfigure initramfs-tools or so because the outdated fsck is part of the initrd package to your kernel boot sequence, not your root installation of debian. |
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| 15:24.59 | klys | seoner, look in there and see why it is still there. you will probably see maybe one stray file |
| 15:25.33 | tomcres | brb |
| 15:26.16 | seoner | klys: if the installation requires removing directory. why do not delete it, then? |
| 15:26.53 | seoner | klys: I can not really see the logic here |
| 15:27.11 | klys | seoner, I see, you can check the files used by a package with dpkg -L package; so it isn't supposed to touch any other files. |
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| 15:28.14 | seoner | klys: there is massive with text and it was some directories that were not deleted. should I really go through it all? |
| 15:28.21 | klys | this is because perhaps the user left configuration data or other user-related information in the stray file, or there is another package that needed to be there |
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| 15:30.58 | seoner | klys: yeah but the system understand I upgrade. why not make it a priority and make a backup of these files then? |
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| 15:33.16 | seoner | klys: it is really something to worry about? I can continue with my upgrade? |
| 15:33.31 | klys | seoner, I cannot see your files. |
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| 15:34.42 | petn-randall | seoner: I have the feeling that all your questions can trivially be solved by googling your question and hitting the "I'm feeling lucky" button. |
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| 15:35.47 | seoner | klys: is this a commond issue (message)? |
| 15:35.54 | seoner | common |
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| 15:36.39 | klys | seoner, it happens. just check and see how your files got there and if you need them |
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| 15:38.13 | seoner | klys: What if I continue upgrade (apt-get dist-upgrade) without checking the files? |
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| 15:38.56 | klys | seoner, then the stray files will stay there unless there is another package which uses files like that. |
| 15:39.43 | seoner | klys: I can not even find the error on the screen anymore. so much text that was.. |
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| 15:41.46 | seoner | klys: do you understand my issue here? |
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| 15:43.07 | greycat | Is the issue "I'm upgrading from stable to testing/unstable, but I have not read the release notes, and I am not willing to read the messages on the screen, and I don't understand anything anyway, and I should not be doing this under any circumstances, but I am too stubborn to do sensible things"? |
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| 15:47.07 | petn-randall | I think they're upgrading from wheezy to jessie. |
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| 15:47.47 | greycat | Ahh. |
| 15:49.15 | squigz | wtf did I just read |
| 15:49.20 | squigz | Why people like this even running Debian |
| 15:49.33 | squigz | why are* |
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| 15:50.22 | greycat | Novices have to start somewhere. If he's doing wheezy->jessie, then that's a supported thing, and there are release notes and a wealth of knowledge about how the upgrade works. |
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| 15:50.37 | squigz | greycat: He didn't even know what a screensaver is. |
| 15:50.41 | greycat | dpkg, wheezy->jessie |
| 15:50.41 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/ldcj . In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "wheezy" to "jessie". apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. See also <jessie sysvinit>. |
| 15:51.16 | rock | https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYbTXOWSoai1eH1uCa127Zg plllzzzzz subs my channel and you join here tooo.. for linux user only thankyou soooo muchhh |
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| 15:56.56 | rock | h |
| 15:56.56 | rock | \ |
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| 15:58.44 | petn-randall | !tell rock about ot |
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| 16:04.30 | rock | what ot |
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| 16:05.07 | rock | sayyy |
| 16:05.16 | rock | hellllooo |
| 16:05.23 | Silvering | petn-randall : I come bakc with my previous issue. I finally found a solution using nginx and gunicorn. On my server web sites are already running. Here is my nginx.conf : https://gist.github.com/e3df92764ca4fa91faa79093df165198 As soon as I comment line 24 Django works but websites not anymore... any idea ? |
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| 16:06.00 | rock | jii silvering |
| 16:06.13 | rock | hii can u see me?? |
| 16:06.22 | Silvering | rock : yes |
| 16:06.38 | centrx | your fly is down |
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| 16:07.09 | KlausedSource | hey everyone, from my debian machine i usually ssh into a server of mine. Now when i use wifi to connect it does not work anymore. |
| 16:07.28 | KlausedSource | i get the following response in terminal: ERROR: Unable to verify ip: 192.168.6.164 != 10.143.6.200 |
| 16:07.49 | greycat | that is not any kind of standard error message. sounds like something you hacked up on your server. |
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| 16:10.24 | KlausedSource | greycat, i didn't change something on the server, i use ssh-key auth |
| 16:10.59 | greycat | Then what is producing that exact error message with that IP address in it? |
| 16:11.22 | KlausedSource | i thought it comes from ssh? |
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| 16:11.55 | greycat | Why would a VANILLA UNTOUCHED SSH expect your address to be 10.143.6.200 |
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| 16:12.16 | greycat | Somehow, somewhere, you have told SOMETHING that you should only be allowed in from 10.143.6.200 |
| 16:12.36 | greycat | And now because you changed network, you are no longer being seen as 10.143.6.200 |
| 16:12.55 | greycat | It could be client-side, or router-side, but it's definitely not a vanilla thing. |
| 16:13.27 | jelly | KlausedSource: that doesn't look like any openssh message I've seen |
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| 16:14.36 | klys | check the files in ~/.ssh and see if one of them refers to that ip |
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| 16:17.31 | bend | How to make something bootable |
| 16:17.51 | sh00p | install a bootloader on it |
| 16:17.51 | SerajewelKS | that's a pretty vague question |
| 16:18.06 | tomcres | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:18.08 | greycat | Your computer's hardware and firmware determine what is "bootable". |
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| 16:19.24 | jscoder | How could I use mousekeys (keyboard as a mouse) without a number pad. I'd like to make use of specific keys to control the mouse |
| 16:19.44 | bend | If I have cd or dvd or usb disk or other storage device; I put bootloader in first 400 bytes; will it become bootable? |
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| 16:20.01 | jscoder | it seems to me most logical to use the built-in mousekeys functionality as it works well, I just don't know how to remap the keys used |
| 16:20.07 | SerajewelKS | bend: does this have something to do with debian? |
| 16:20.11 | klys | bend, grub-install |
| 16:20.28 | tomcres | CDs/DVDs are different from USB disks or other storage media. You need to be more specific as to what you want to accomplish. |
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| 16:20.39 | bend | I don't use Linux klys |
| 16:20.45 | greycat | Your computer's firmware has to be able to even TRY to boot the device. After that, the device needs to have a bootloader image on the part of it that the firmware attempts to read. |
| 16:20.55 | sh00p | well then you came to the wrong neighbourhood bend :) |
| 16:20.56 | klys | bend, ask womewhere more appropriate then |
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| 16:21.13 | bend | (greycat) Your computer's hardware and firmware determine what is "bootable". |
| 16:21.15 | bend | How? |
| 16:21.19 | greycat | Magic. |
| 16:21.36 | klys | bend, the bios loads the mbr. see: man install-mbr |
| 16:21.47 | greycat | KlausedSource: see "I don't use Linux" |
| 16:21.48 | bend | tomcres I want to understand how something becomes bootable |
| 16:21.51 | greycat | err. |
| 16:22.07 | greycat | why the hell did kl<TAB> expand to that... |
| 16:22.12 | klys | =.= |
| 16:22.21 | SerajewelKS | bend: your question has nothing to do with debian; it is off-topic. there are more general channels where you can ask these kinds of questions. |
| 16:23.10 | bend | SerajewelKS can you suggest few |
| 16:23.25 | greycat | ##hardware |
| 16:23.57 | greycat | 11:23 Ignoring MSGS from bend |
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| 16:24.11 | sh00p | ye i got pm also |
| 16:24.13 | greycat | Asshole. |
| 16:24.42 | bend | I also got |
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| 16:31.08 | tomcres | !msg |
| 16:31.08 | dpkg | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/). |
| 16:31.49 | greycat | Asking a support question in /msg is one of the rudest things you can do. |
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| 16:32.59 | gstaniak | Hi |
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| 16:33.35 | gstaniak | How do I check what packages will be pulled in as dependecies when I install a package? |
| 16:33.55 | greycat | apt-get (or apt or aptitude) will tell you this and ask for confirmation |
| 16:34.13 | n4dir | apt-cache show package-name or apt-cache show package-name | grep -i dep |
| 16:34.24 | sh00p | apt-get install --dry-run foo |
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| 16:34.31 | n4dir | or ... or ... or ... |
| 16:34.32 | zykotick9 | gstaniak: there is also "apt-cache depends foo" or "apt-cache rdpends bar" |
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| 16:35.05 | gstaniak | greycat, so i just try to install and review, right/>?>?# |
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| 16:35.34 | n4dir | this is not perl. a simple question mark will suffice. |
| 16:36.09 | gstaniak | n4dir, that just lists the first level of dependencies, which may have own dependencies. |
| 16:36.22 | gstaniak | sh00p, thanks, I'll try that, |
| 16:37.01 | sh00p | have fun gstaniak |
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| 16:40.22 | somiaj | gstaniak: apt-get and aptitude also have a dry/run or simulation flag |
| 16:40.49 | gstaniak | somiaj, thanks, sh00p already showed me that. |
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| 16:46.46 | mefistofeles | any ideas why my script is not running with cron as regular user? I put it in the file with crontab -e |
| 16:46.59 | sh00p | does it end with .sh? |
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| 16:47.02 | sh00p | i believe it cannot end with .sh |
| 16:47.07 | greycat | That's incorrect. |
| 16:47.08 | mefistofeles | sh00p: yes, and x permissions |
| 16:47.11 | mefistofeles | sh00p: oh! |
| 16:47.33 | greycat | Make sure it's got +x, make sure it's on a file system that is NOT mounted with "user" or "noexec", and show the actual crontab entry. |
| 16:47.44 | mefistofeles | greycat: one sec |
| 16:47.50 | sh00p | hm, i'm quite sure i had problems when i had .sh endings |
| 16:47.57 | sh00p | i admit it sounds weird |
| 16:48.30 | hmuller | The cdebootstrap manpage is too sparse, can anyone explain the (-c | --configdir) option? |
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| 16:49.29 | greycat | sh00p: you might be thinking of cron.daily and run-parts. |
| 16:49.49 | sh00p | greycat: yea, that rings a few bells |
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| 16:50.09 | greycat | run-parts doesn't allow scripts to have dots, but a single crontab line has no such limitations |
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| 16:50.47 | jhutchins_wk | sh00p: *nix does not care about file extensions. It uses the magic word instead. |
| 16:51.04 | mefistofeles | greycat: https://bpaste.net/show/ef0eb1e62df7 sh00p |
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| 16:51.44 | greycat | oh, you're not even executing the script. you're calling "sh". |
| 16:51.49 | greycat | so the permissions don't matter |
| 16:52.06 | greycat | Your line is 0 5 * * 1 sh /home/repos/aptly_cron.sh > ... |
| 16:52.39 | greycat | This should run at 5:00 (AM) each Monday only |
| 16:52.49 | mefistofeles | ah, lol |
| 16:52.56 | mefistofeles | damn 1 |
| 16:52.58 | mefistofeles | yes, sorry |
| 16:53.04 | mefistofeles | greycat: thanks! |
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| 16:53.27 | mefistofeles | that explains why it run yesterday xD |
| 16:53.37 | mefistofeles | (though the other sysadmin run it manually) |
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| 17:02.36 | n4dir | jesus, that took me ages. .sh filename extension: http://www.talisman.org/~erlkonig/documents/commandname-extensions-considered-harmful |
| 17:03.37 | greycat | you could've asked #bash and we'd cough it up quickly |
| 17:03.48 | greycat | or /msg greybot .sh |
| 17:04.25 | n4dir | greycat: yeah, i thought i could figure it out with greybot, but used the wrong terms. If i had known it would take me that long, i would have simply asked |
| 17:04.40 | lizzie | considered-harmful-article-titles-considered-not-funny-anymore |
| 17:04.56 | lizzie | actually though I totally agree with that article |
| 17:05.03 | lizzie | scripts should be interchangeable with binaries for most uses |
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| 17:05.30 | greycat | When it's in full production, exposed to end users, that is absolutely correct. End users should never be typing myapp.sh |
| 17:05.33 | lizzie | they don't quite interfere... nothing stops you from naming a native binary foo.sh, but it is a silly thing to plan for |
| 17:05.48 | lizzie | agreed |
| 17:06.05 | greycat | Lots of people violate the guideline when it's just a personal project, or a one-off script, etc. |
| 17:06.50 | n4dir | i didn't read the article. If i am told something in #bash, i follow that advise. I do understand the explanation by the bot though (that is: i don't simply follow without - at least - trying to understand) |
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| 17:12.39 | olivetree_ | Be Right Back |
| 17:12.54 | greycat | !away |
| 17:12.54 | dpkg | Do not use public away/back messages in #debian. If we want to know where you are, we'll /whois you. In BitchX, /set auto_away off; in XChat, Preferences > Chatting > General > uncheck Announce Away Messages; ask in #yourircclient if you have questions. If you continue to use public aways/backs you will be devoiced. http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html |
| 17:14.48 | squigz | Is BitchX still used? :P |
| 17:15.18 | greycat | Probably not by very many. |
| 17:15.33 | zykotick9 | squigz: yes, but the question is "should bitchx still be used", which the answer should be no. |
| 17:15.38 | squigz | lol |
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| 17:16.16 | tomcres | ,v bitchx |
| 17:16.17 | judd | No package named 'bitchx' was found in amd64. |
| 17:17.07 | subpath | no package named bichtX found on packages.debian.org |
| 17:17.58 | greycat | you misspelled it |
| 17:18.33 | greycat | but anyway, looks like it's not in wheezy+ |
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| 17:19.26 | somiaj | haven't people moved away from that irc client and using hexchat or something like that? |
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| 17:20.05 | tomcres | I think most people using IRC in a terminal are probably now on irssi or epic |
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| 17:20.39 | greycat | irssi or weechat, apparently |
| 17:21.01 | somiaj | weechat, that is what I was trying to think of. |
| 17:21.26 | Logg | I don't really see the big deal on using file extensions on scripts. Not using a file extension makes a python script less portable, because it won't work properly on Windows without an extension, and I don't think windows uses interpreter directives. Since portability is often a goal of scripted languages like python, I think it's desirable in some cases to include a file name extension on a script intended to be run by the user. |
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| 17:22.16 | greycat | Windows can go take a flying leap into a volcano. |
| 17:22.19 | somiaj | I like them because then I can have an idea about the file from ls |
| 17:22.29 | Logg | that too somiaj |
| 17:22.30 | greycat | Nothing we say or discuss or think about has anything to do with Windows, ever. |
| 17:23.05 | greycat | "Portability" means Linux *and* BSD *and* legacy unix |
| 17:23.48 | greycat | somiaj: it's also common to have extensions on scripts in your source code tree, but to remove them in the "make install" |
| 17:24.46 | Logg | What a hassle just to remove information from the filename. If you use tab completion, you're not even typing any extra characters |
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| 17:26.06 | n4dir | Don't use extensions for your scripts. Scripts define new commands that you can run, and commands are generally not given extensions. Do you run ls.elf? Also: bash scripts are *not* sh scripts (so don't use .sh) and the extension will only cause dependencies headaches if the script gets rewritten in another language. " |
| 17:26.17 | n4dir | ups, missed the first quote. |
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| 17:27.03 | n4dir | though in general it is none of my business. I only gave the info that quite a few recommend to not use extensions for shell or bash scripts. |
| 17:27.04 | greycat | And a script that's currently written in sh or bash is *pretty likely* to be rewritten in something else, later on. |
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| 17:28.05 | Logg | so just rename the file when you do that |
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| 17:28.36 | n4dir | you could do the same with the python script you want to use on Windows, no? :-) |
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| 17:28.47 | Logg | Windows users are dumb, they won't know to rename it. |
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| 17:29.07 | centrx | harsh truth |
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| 17:29.18 | teraflops | I know a couple of dumb linux users too ^ |
| 17:29.25 | n4dir | :-) |
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| 17:29.48 | n4dir | also a couple of smart Windows users. Can't see how using a certain OS makes you dumb or smart |
| 17:29.59 | teraflops | I'm one of those (dumb ones) |
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| 17:30.26 | teraflops | n4dir: very true |
| 17:30.41 | Logg | If it's not a command that goes in $PATH, it's fine to have a file extension. That's my opinion. |
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| 17:31.04 | n4dir | glad we got that sorted, Logg |
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| 17:34.16 | moonpunter | Given a library, where would its cflags most likely be? In this libappindicator |
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| 17:45.07 | Silvering | Hi everyone! On my dedicated server I have websites running. I just deployed my django app using nginx and gunicorn. Here is my nginx.conf file : https://gist.github.com/Silvering/e3df92764ca4fa91faa79093df165198 However as soon as I comment line 24 Django works but websites not anymore... any idea ? |
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| 17:46.11 | jhutchins_wk | !nginx |
| 17:46.11 | dpkg | Nginx (engine x) is an open source HTTP server (supports FastCGI, not CGI), reverse proxy and POP3/IMAP/SMTP proxy. http://wiki.debian.org/Nginx http://wiki.nginx.org/NginxFaq http://www.nginx.net/ #nginx on irc.freenode.net. See also <httpd>. |
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| 17:47.10 | Logg | nuh-gincks |
| 17:47.25 | moonpunter | engineX |
| 17:47.30 | Logg | :) |
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| 17:47.41 | moonpunter | I agree though it's silly |
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| 17:51.47 | Raineer | now i won't be able to NOT read that as "nuh-gincks". i can't unsee it |
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| 17:54.45 | sandman13 | n-jinx :) |
| 17:56.03 | NeoXiD | Hi everyone! Simple but probably stupid question: Does Debian backport kernel fixes which are not strictly security-related? There is a really annoying bug in the network stack which got fixed for 4.10, but I just discovered today that Stretch will release with 4.9 (and the 4.10 plans were dropped) |
| 17:57.09 | somiaj | NeoXiD: not directly, but some fixes and even hardware additions get added to the stable branch upstream which do make their way into a stable release over time |
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| 17:57.21 | greycat | Yes, especially since the stretch kernel isn't released yet, I would expect any major bugs to be patched. |
| 17:57.28 | NeoXiD | somiaj: Is there any chance or way to get https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=c2ed1880fd61a998e3ce40254a99a2ad000f1a7d patched? |
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| 17:57.51 | jhutchins_wk | ,kernels |
| 17:57.53 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.10.0-rc6-686-pae (4.10~rc6-1~exp2); sid: 4.9.0-1-686-pae (4.9.6-3); stretch: 4.9.0-1-686-pae (4.9.6-3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.9.2-2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.39-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.84-1) |
| 17:57.57 | greycat | File a bug report against the kernel if you want to be extra-double-sure the Debian kernel team knows about it. |
| 17:58.02 | NeoXiD | Kinda affects people using Debian for software routes, like me - the kernel does not check for the proto of an IPv6 route, which causes BIRD (or other routing daemons) to delete CONNECTED-routes |
| 17:58.10 | somiaj | NeoXiD: first see if there is a bug report, then report it. The debian team works with the 4.9 upstream and over time things do get backported to the 4.9 kernel. Unsure on the details of what gets backported and not. |
| 17:58.43 | NeoXiD | Alright, will give it a try |
| 17:58.58 | somiaj | NeoXiD: but things other than security support gets backported. rc bugs have to get fixed, though this might be just an important bug, and those could get fixed. |
| 18:00.05 | somiaj | NeoXiD: had someone else metion a similar issue of a fix in 4.10 not in 4.9, they reported a bug, if the issue is the same you should add to the bug by sharing the patch commit. |
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| 18:04.23 | unborn | somiaj: are you suggesting to use backports on system or - just clean debian install (non free in my case) for updates...just asking |
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| 18:06.29 | olivetree_ | Back :) |
| 18:06.59 | moonpunter | GRR |
| 18:07.15 | moonpunter | Why wouldn't I have appindicator3-0.1.pc? |
| 18:08.11 | greycat | are you... supposed to have it? what is it? |
| 18:08.25 | jhutchins_wk | ,v appindicator |
| 18:08.26 | judd | No package named 'appindicator' was found in amd64. |
| 18:08.33 | gr8 | which is better to use to add versions of packages that are newer than what my stable distribution provides: testing or backports? |
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| 18:08.58 | jhutchins_wk | gr8: We strongly recommend against mixing testing and stable. |
| 18:09.04 | moonpunter | lol nvm anyway, I had so many tabs and what not open I had forgotten to install libappindicator3-dev |
| 18:09.04 | tomcres | gr8, backports; do not just take random packages from testing |
| 18:09.09 | jhutchins_wk | gr8: That's what backports are for. |
| 18:09.14 | gr8 | ok thanks |
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| 18:09.35 | moonpunter | There's this great little program called audio-recorder they did at ubuntu |
| 18:09.50 | moonpunter | It lets you record the output of a given application, very easily |
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| 18:10.04 | moonpunter | Compiling from source, and I just made it go :D |
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| 18:10.43 | moonpunter | ahh beautiful |
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| 18:13.30 | gr8 | what is a good way to disable *.list files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ? So they are not read by apt |
| 18:14.09 | maziar | what is difference between galera-3 and galera new cluster? |
| 18:14.31 | greycat | gr8: rename them so they don't end with .list |
| 18:14.46 | jhutchins_wk | gr8: I think you can change the name so it doesn't end in .list - foo.list.bak |
| 18:15.11 | greycat | As sources.list(5) says, they must end with .list or .sources or they won't be used. |
| 18:15.11 | gr8 | I renamed them to .list.disable but now apt complains that ".disable" is an invalid file extension... |
| 18:15.12 | jhutchins_wk | gr8: The question is why do you have files there? |
| 18:15.26 | teraflops | move them away from there^ |
| 18:15.51 | gr8 | jhutchins_wk: so I can easily re-enable them later and don't have to rewrite them |
| 18:16.00 | greycat | gr8: so ignore the complaint |
| 18:16.09 | gr8 | I don't like complaints. It looks ugly |
| 18:16.54 | tomcres | gr8, move them to another directory then…perhaps /etc/apt-disabled/ |
| 18:16.57 | jhutchins_wk | I mean why are they there in the first place? |
| 18:17.17 | gr8 | jhutchins_wk: where else do you put them to temporarily disable them? |
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| 18:17.26 | teraflops | ._. |
| 18:17.42 | greycat | jhutchins_wk: it's a SECRET, duh! |
| 18:18.11 | adriano44 | Hi anyone has already make a bridge in /etc/networking/interfaces ? |
| 18:18.12 | unborn | moonlight: audio recorder is still within debian :) - its called sound recorder |
| 18:18.22 | jhutchins_wk | gr8: Wherever you like. |
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| 18:18.43 | gr8 | is etc/apt/sources.list.disabled read by apt? |
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| 18:19.05 | teraflops | tias |
| 18:20.03 | greycat | gr8: does it end with .list? |
| 18:20.29 | gr8 | it works. |
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| 18:22.50 | unborn | like tias teraflops, those episodes happening are - awesome :D |
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| 18:25.50 | gr8 | are there no mirrors for security.debian.org? |
| 18:26.45 | DoctorD90 | yo folks! :D im bored to each time i update libreoffice, I have to reset "manually"/trough GUI each type of file that has to be opened with it. Could I ask you what is the terminal command to just easly configure default program that has to open a file extension ?? ;) thx |
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| 18:28.27 | unborn | gr8: - that is the mirror where you getting stuff from.. what other mirrors you looking for? I would not trust anything other than debian mirrors, but feel free to create your own one.. and make sure they are sync at least in 12 hours. |
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| 18:29.56 | gr8 | unborn: just wondered because there are things like ftp.de.debian.org for stable dists but nothing like de.security.debian.org |
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| 18:30.08 | gr8 | like, country mirrors |
| 18:30.18 | gr8 | or domain aliases, whatever |
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| 18:30.53 | unborn | gr8: yes.. debian.org should be fine |
| 18:31.11 | TomTomTosch | gr8: https://www.debian.org/security/faq#mirror |
| 18:31.45 | unborn | gr8: you can always check those mirrors.. as TomTomTosch suggested.. visit the link and it will tell you everything you need to know :) |
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| 18:33.30 | gr8 | but there are no DNS aliases given in that FAQ?! |
| 18:33.50 | gr8 | just saying that they do exist lol |
| 18:34.26 | unborn | gr8: its second sentence on that link: A: Actually, there are. There are several official mirrors, implemented through DNS aliases. The purpose of security.debian.org is to make security updates available as quickly and easily as possible. |
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| 18:34.37 | unborn | ..just read it. |
| 18:35.53 | jelly | gr8: there are multiple dns A and AAAA records all for security.debian.org. That's how it works. |
| 18:36.10 | gr8 | ah ok |
| 18:36.26 | gr8 | why don't they just write that lol |
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| 18:36.42 | seoner | hi people |
| 18:36.46 | gr8 | hi seoner |
| 18:36.56 | seoner | how do i install systemd 230 from jessie-backports? |
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| 18:37.44 | unborn | gr8: because that is how it works.. jelly just told you |
| 18:37.52 | jelly | gr8: I actually have no idea what "dns aliases" means. |
| 18:38.28 | jelly | it's ambiguous |
| 18:38.32 | tomcres | !jessie-backports |
| 18:38.33 | dpkg | Selected packages intended for the Debian 9 "Stretch" release but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. Note that jessie-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main». Also ask me about <bdo>. |
| 18:38.37 | gr8 | unborn: for me, an DNS alias is an alias for somewhere.debian.org that redirects to officialmirror.mybunkz.edu |
| 18:38.48 | greycat | gr8: they're called CNAMEs |
| 18:39.11 | greycat | irc.debian.org. 1H IN CNAME irc6.geo.oftc.net. |
| 18:39.17 | tomcres | once you add the jessie-backports line to your sources.list, you can `apt -t jessie-backports install systemd` |
| 18:39.35 | jelly | greycat: except security.debian.org uses no CNAME records. |
| 18:39.53 | greycat | True. |
| 18:40.13 | greycat | It's a simple round-robin with ... currently 4 address records. |
| 18:40.23 | unborn | gr8, im bit advanced in dns and stuff.. so I get your question, but - why is this question.. - any reason for that? you know how linux works and all of the things around, so - how can I help you.. - I did mentioned that you can pull your own repo and going from there.. |
| 18:40.26 | jelly | so that answer in security faq could be more precise |
| 18:40.34 | seoner | tomcres: can i use deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main |
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| 18:40.39 | seoner | with nl.? |
| 18:40.57 | seoner | tomcres: can i use http://nl.debian.org/debian/ for jessie-backports? |
| 18:41.06 | greycat | you either use deb.debian.org or you use your country-specific mirror(s) |
| 18:41.08 | tomcres | seoner you can use any valid mirror |
| 18:41.10 | unborn | gr8: unless you dont trust debian mirros.. of course |
| 18:41.48 | jelly | seoner: no, but you can try http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ |
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| 18:42.15 | jelly | no such thing as just "nl.debian.org" |
| 18:42.30 | unborn | ...and do all testing, checking and all things and then you can pull or get only things you like it.. |
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| 18:44.35 | seoner | deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main |
| 18:44.40 | seoner | like this? |
| 18:44.57 | tomcres | seoner I believe that should work |
| 18:45.05 | seoner | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:45.08 | seoner | ? |
| 18:45.13 | jelly | seoner: yes |
| 18:45.20 | tomcres | don't forget to apt update after editing sources.list |
| 18:45.50 | unborn | gr8 for me dns means point nothing else and point is - great thing.. whatever its dns alias or anything else.. its still the point.. just saying.. |
| 18:45.57 | seoner | ok thank you |
| 18:46.01 | jelly | sometimes there are backports of stuff in non-free section, eg. |
| 18:46.03 | jelly | ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 18:46.04 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 304.131-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.101-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.101-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 375.26-1~bpo8+1; sid/non-free: 375.26-2; stretch/non-free: 375.26-2 |
| 18:46.17 | DrBunsen | Hello, does anyone here have experience with usb capture cards? I have a dazzle dvc100 but I seem to be unable to stream it in vlc. There is a /dev/video0 device available, so I am not sure what to do next. |
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| 18:52.20 | klys | DrBrunsen, have you loaded tuner drivers also? try xawtv |
| 18:52.28 | unborn | ,v dns |
| 18:52.29 | judd | No package named 'dns' was found in amd64. |
| 18:52.36 | unborn | ,v bind |
| 18:52.36 | judd | No package named 'bind' was found in amd64. |
| 18:52.41 | unborn | meh :) |
| 18:52.42 | klys | bind9 |
| 18:52.48 | unborn | 'v bind9 |
| 18:52.50 | klys | ,v bind9 |
| 18:52.51 | judd | Package: bind9 on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:9.8.4.dfsg.P1-6+nmu2+deb7u10; wheezy-security: 1:9.8.4.dfsg.P1-6+nmu2+deb7u14; wheezy-backports: 1:9.9.5.dfsg-4~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:9.9.5.dfsg-9+deb8u8; jessie-proposed-updates: 1:9.9.5.dfsg-9+deb8u9; jessie-security: 1:9.9.5.dfsg-9+deb8u9; stretch: 1:9.10.3.dfsg.P4-11; sid: 1:9.10.3.dfsg.P4-11.1; experimental: 1:9.10.4-P5-1 |
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| 18:53.02 | unborn | klys: cheers |
| 18:53.43 | unborn | ..yap up to date :) |
| 18:55.48 | somiaj | !msg the bot |
| 18:55.48 | dpkg | Please have conversations with the bots in a private message as much as possible. Instead of using "!topic" or "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" in the channel, you can just "/msg dpkg topic". See <bot help> and http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn more and browse my factoids on-line at http://ircbots.debian.net/ . Also ask me about <judd>, which is another bot and window into the Ultimate Debian Database. |
| 18:56.45 | NeoXiD | greycat, somiaj: Thank you for your assistance and have a nice day, I opened a bug report. |
| 18:56.52 | DrBunsen | klys: tuner drivers? |
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| 18:57.05 | unborn | somiaj: sorry, I just use that bot as anyone else.. i thought its free to use.. anyway - you did not answered my question.. |
| 18:57.43 | superrorc | hey guys! dpkg -L show me only files installed by some package |
| 18:57.44 | greycat | Only address the bot in public when you want the entire channel to see the response, as when answering someone's on-topic Debian question. |
| 18:57.49 | greycat | Otherwise, /msg it. |
| 18:57.57 | klys | DrBunsen, are you using v4l2 ? does your device have a tuner? have you probed for a tuner? lsmod |
| 18:58.13 | tomcres | klys, the DVC100 doesn't have a tuner. It's simple composite video. |
| 18:58.18 | klys | k |
| 18:58.21 | superrorc | how can i find all custom files ( conf ) which are belongs to some binary or package? |
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| 18:58.55 | unborn | nods greycat - cheers |
| 18:59.04 | greycat | The ones that are shipped with it will be listed in dpkg -L pkgname, but any that are created on the fly (either by the postinst or by actual use of the software) will not be listed. |
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| 18:59.08 | DrBunsen | tomcres, klys: xawtv works, but draws lines I do not see on the telly |
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| 18:59.21 | seoner | hi again |
| 18:59.24 | seoner | Error! Your kernel headers for kernel 3.16.0-4-586 cannot be found. |
| 18:59.25 | seoner | Please install the linux-headers-3.16.0-4-586 package, |
| 18:59.27 | seoner | or use the --kernelsourcedir option to tell DKMS where it's located |
| 18:59.30 | seoner | how do i fix this? |
| 18:59.58 | unborn | seoner: the error message does tell you how to fix it.. did you even read it? |
| 19:00.19 | superrorc | greycat: yeah, i see. but what is approach for find old custom files related to some programs? |
| 19:00.22 | superrorc | greycat: yeah, i see. but what is approach for find old custom files related to some programms? |
| 19:00.32 | klys | DrBunsen, funny, I have a device that does that too. it is a pci 4-input composite BNC capture card. |
| 19:00.38 | moonpunter | Really, you pressed up and added an m to programs? |
| 19:00.43 | seoner | unborn: linux-headers-3.16.0-4-586 is already the newest version. |
| 19:00.44 | klys | works great with windows tho |
| 19:01.01 | greycat | superrorc: you mean the ones that are generated and not installed? There is no general procedure. You would need to have knowledge of that particular program and what files it creates. |
| 19:01.09 | unborn | seoner: well done.. then reboot and issue the command again. |
| 19:01.34 | superrorc | greycat: got it, thanks a lot |
| 19:01.40 | seoner | unborn: i get the messsage when upgrade from wheezy to jessie |
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| 19:01.58 | unborn | seoner: - did you reboot? |
| 19:02.21 | seoner | unborn: yes |
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| 19:02.26 | DrBunsen | klys: It is not sharp and the moving things have that interlaced effect |
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| 19:02.33 | klys | yes |
| 19:02.35 | superrorc | unborn: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
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| 19:03.05 | DrBunsen | anyway to get rid of that, like how it is not present on the telly? |
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| 19:03.20 | seoner | superrorc: was that message to me? |
| 19:03.35 | klys | DrBunsen, try #mplayer or #vlc |
| 19:03.39 | superrorc | yes, 2 link in google "linux-headers-3.16.0-4-586 is already the newest version" |
| 19:03.43 | unborn | superrorc: can you paste your command output from this? last reboot | head -1 |
| 19:04.06 | DrBunsen | klys: the issue is, I can't stream it with vlc |
| 19:04.19 | seoner | superrorc: what should i google it? |
| 19:04.25 | seoner | why |
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| 19:05.15 | unborn | hm.. ah man help us humans.. |
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| 19:06.30 | unborn | superrorc: it takes you long time, possible editing.. I cannot help you sorry. |
| 19:07.03 | seoner | superrorc: 1 you giving me a command to run, 2 you tell me to google something. |
| 19:07.04 | superrorc | as i know - you need headers for all installed images |
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| 19:07.42 | superrorc | seoner: sry |
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| 19:08.07 | greycat | Near as I can tell, only seoner is asking for help. superrorc and unborn both erroneously addressed each other with answers that should have gone to seoner. Now nobody knows what the hell anyone is saying. |
| 19:08.32 | unborn | superrorc: no.. you just give out rubbish.. thats what was happen.. I wont help you.. have other things to do, like helping genuine issues on this chan. |
| 19:09.00 | klow | Looks like I joined something good here |
| 19:09.08 | unborn | greycat: - im sorry to upset you again.. but - just follow the convo and be free to decide. |
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| 19:09.53 | unborn | klow: debian is best, not just good ;) |
| 19:10.20 | seoner | systemd 230 is not default installed with jessie? |
| 19:10.31 | greycat | ,v systemd |
| 19:10.32 | judd | Package: systemd on amd64 -- wheezy: 44-11+deb7u4; wheezy-security: 44-11+deb7u5; wheezy-backports: 204-14~bpo70+1; jessie: 215-17+deb8u6; jessie-backports: 230-7~bpo8+2; stretch: 232-15; sid: 232-18 |
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| 19:11.19 | seoner | greycat: do you know the answer? |
| 19:11.40 | greycat | THE FUCKING ANSWER IS RIGHT THERE ON YOUR FUCKING SCREEN |
| 19:11.42 | greycat | JUST READ IT |
| 19:11.51 | greycat | jessie: 215-17+deb8u6; jessie-backports: 230-7~bpo8+2; |
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| 19:11.57 | greycat | HOW HARD IS THAT |
| 19:12.24 | seoner | greycat: mind language |
| 19:12.34 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 19:14.04 | unborn | - heh I can see it now.. sorry for not - bloody seeing it and yes you are right - man I do something wrong... i just helped one and I just did not noticed him.. sorry about it! seoner - the most advanced user just told you - its right there.. - just read it.. :) |
| 19:14.06 | jelly | seoner: instead of focusing on language, it's wiser to focus on the useful technical info provided by our volunteers, and maybe thank them now and again |
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| 19:14.25 | unborn | - sometimes - I am idiot. |
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| 19:14.52 | seoner | jelly: Do you know me? I always thanks people here. |
| 19:15.17 | nkuttler | can we move the meta discussion to -offtopic? |
| 19:15.32 | unborn | sure |
| 19:16.05 | unborn | nkuttler: i need the hash :) to join :D |
| 19:16.24 | unborn | means # = hash |
| 19:16.43 | nkuttler | !tell unborn about ot |
| 19:16.46 | unborn | no? okay :) |
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| 19:17.20 | seoner | so Jessie uses systemd 215 by default and jessie-backports has systemd 230 available. |
| 19:17.37 | greycat | I think he's trying to ask the name of the offtopic channel. It's #debian-offtopic |
| 19:18.19 | unborn | cheers nkuttler but I will not join the discussion whatever - since I learned my lessons hard in here.. I will only join if there is reason or purpose or my knowledge..im in man :) |
| 19:18.22 | LtL | seoner: yes thats correct |
| 19:18.36 | seoner | LtL: thank you |
| 19:18.43 | awal1 | I have 4 cpu's. when I start firefox/chromium/virtualbox one cpu gets used at 100%. Not really normal, eh? Or that's okay? |
| 19:18.51 | LtL | seoner: you're welcome |
| 19:19.00 | nkuttler | awal1: sounds normal to me |
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| 19:19.11 | jelly | awal1: that means the app you started is (mostly) single-threaded |
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| 19:19.20 | jelly | and eats a lot of cpu |
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| 19:19.29 | awal1 | ok, thanks |
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| 19:25.28 | seoner | ok people im running jessie now :) |
| 19:25.51 | Logg | Yay. :) |
| 19:25.53 | seoner | PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux 8 (jessie)" |
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| 19:34.02 | qmr | why the hell am I being balanced to netherlands mirror |
| 19:34.14 | nkuttler | it's fast? |
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| 19:34.17 | qmr | or is https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#netboot a hard link to nl |
| 19:34.21 | qmr | nkuttler: 8KB/s |
| 19:34.26 | nkuttler | eh.. |
| 19:34.54 | greycat | this is why I continue to use http://ftp.us.debian.org/ |
| 19:35.05 | greycat | none of those automatic thingies ever work reliably |
| 19:35.25 | qmr | when I manually typed in us instead of nl I get asked for a password |
| 19:35.37 | qmr | I'm guessing that's just safari being fucking retarded. clicking your link works thx |
| 19:35.40 | nkuttler | qmr: ftp? |
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| 19:35.56 | qmr | nkuttler: no http://ftp.us o_O |
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| 19:36.15 | qmr | looks like it balanced me to wikimedia foundation. which is like 5 miles away but effing slow last time I tried it. it'll work though |
| 19:36.37 | nkuttler | ah well, do what greycat suggests and hardcode your mirror |
| 19:37.03 | tomcres | try out netselect-apt if you want to find a fast mirror |
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| 19:37.47 | jelly | hardcoding your own mirror works for me :> |
| 19:38.16 | qmr | on my todo is set up apt-cacher or a full mirror here. right now I'm running it through squid at least. it's even money if that will make things faster or slower though :P |
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| 19:39.06 | jelly | if you have a TB of disk, it makes some things easier |
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| 19:39.36 | qmr | all the hosts here have small fast disks, there are some netapp filers with around ~100TB |
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| 19:39.52 | qmr | NFS is slow on them though for whatever reason. faster than internet mirror though |
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| 19:48.17 | qmr | so, what are the cool kids running in production these days? stable or testing? |
| 19:48.37 | greycat | In production? oldstable or stable. |
| 19:48.42 | SerajewelKS | i'm not sure about the cool kids, but i'd say the competent would be running stable. |
| 19:48.50 | SerajewelKS | i don't want to be cool, i want my shit to work |
| 19:48.51 | greycat | except for those few boxes that are still on something older than wheezy |
| 19:49.02 | qmr | external consultant is suggesting Ubuntu 1604 to standardize on |
| 19:49.08 | qmr | but I installed it on 1 server and jesus fuck no |
| 19:49.14 | tomcres | "production" implies I'm actually productive ;-) |
| 19:49.30 | qmr | so I'm thinking Debian 8, and 1604 where needed in VMs |
| 19:49.43 | SerajewelKS | depends how you define productive, i have a production debian stable server that runs a 7 days to die game server, so... |
| 19:49.51 | jelly | qmr: never testing |
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| 19:50.14 | SerajewelKS | qmr: i use stable and backport stuff that i need to be newer |
| 19:50.30 | jelly | qmr: 16.04 LTS is not a bad choice if you have ubuntu expertise |
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| 19:51.08 | jelly | and you can live with the meager amount of security-supported software |
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| 19:54.22 | qmr | jelly: my expertise is mostly in hating Ubuntu. they fell from the way long ago |
| 19:54.42 | qmr | installing 8 on a vm now, just the installer alone is faster |
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| 19:58.51 | rly_ | I have the rather interesting situation that I cannot see my X session (i.e. I see a black screen). Usually, I am connected via a secondary screen and use that one, but obviously without that screen connected I want to see the laptop screen. |
| 19:58.57 | rly_ | Why would KDE *ever* do that? |
| 19:59.08 | rly_ | And, how do I fix this without resetting the whole X session? |
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| 19:59.33 | NapoleonWils0n | hi all |
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| 20:00.21 | NapoleonWils0n | i have selected seperate home during the install, is there a way to adjust the partition size |
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| 20:00.55 | somiaj | NapoleonWils0n: are you using lvm or not? |
| 20:01.00 | NapoleonWils0n | need to decrease /home by 10gig and increase /root by 10g |
| 20:01.07 | NapoleonWils0n | yes using lvm |
| 20:01.08 | somiaj | have you already installed? |
| 20:01.28 | NapoleonWils0n | no havent installed yet, just on partition disc section of installer |
| 20:01.51 | somiaj | the installer should give you options to adjust the partition table, thus size of partitions. |
| 20:01.57 | NapoleonWils0n | it has created the seperate /home but not writtent the changes to disc yet |
| 20:02.32 | NapoleonWils0n | im sure there was a way to adjust the suggested partition sizes |
| 20:02.57 | somiaj | It might depend on the partition method you selected, guided vs manual, it also might depend on if you used the expert mode or not. |
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| 20:03.59 | NapoleonWils0n | used expert mode, selected guided seperate /home |
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| 20:04.44 | NapoleonWils0n | its the size of the lvms i need to change |
| 20:04.45 | somiaj | it might be that guided doesn't give you the full options to select size, go back and select manual, then manually state each paritition, its size and what it will be used as |
| 20:05.15 | NapoleonWils0n | thought so thnx guys |
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| 20:09.17 | jelly | NapoleonWils0n: installer's choices for LV sizes are crazy, but you can delete those LVs, create them anew and assign filesystem types and mountpoints by hand |
| 20:10.04 | NapoleonWils0n | yup 10gig for /root too small |
| 20:10.13 | NapoleonWils0n | ran into that issue before |
| 20:10.28 | jelly | <user> let's use LVM <installer> okay, I will literally fill all the PVs with one huge /home, leaving no free space in VG, thus nuking most of the benefits of using LVM in the first place |
| 20:10.56 | NapoleonWils0n | add that to the wiki :) |
| 20:10.58 | jelly | NapoleonWils0n: you can extend it later and 10G is a nice ballpark value |
| 20:11.14 | jelly | IF there's free space in the VG :-) |
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| 20:14.09 | NapoleonWils0n | ill partition the disc then drop to the shell |
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| 20:18.02 | NapoleonWils0n | you can execute a shell form the installer but doesnt look like you can use the pv commands to change the lvm |
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| 20:20.07 | jelly | NapoleonWils0n: it's a rescue image, there's probably only the main "lvm" binary |
| 20:20.26 | NapoleonWils0n | yes busybox |
| 20:20.36 | jelly | so you can run "lvm pvdisplay" maybe |
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| 20:22.24 | NapoleonWils0n | i know 10 gig for /root wont be enough |
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| 20:23.26 | NapoleonWils0n | ill see what defaults it use for the 3rd option seperate /home /root /var /tmp |
| 20:24.16 | NapoleonWils0n | i have a video and some scripts about recording from kodi using debian |
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| 20:24.29 | NapoleonWils0n | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3tLSDK0cXY |
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| 20:24.44 | NapoleonWils0n | https://github.com/NapoleonWils0n/kodi-playercorefactory |
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| 20:25.28 | Macer | or anythhing for that matter? |
| 20:25.33 | Macer | doesn't seem to be working for me and i see no logging |
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| 20:47.32 | Lady_Aleena | Hello. What are some issues which would make some sites not load in a browser? I can get Google and Wikipedia to load but not Twitter or IMDb. |
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| 20:48.30 | jelly | the error message you get will suggest a possible reason, Lady_Aleena |
| 20:49.20 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: what browser? Is it chromium by chance? |
| 20:49.28 | Lady_Aleena | jelly, the message I get is the standard "Server not found" in Firefox. |
| 20:49.51 | somiaj | does 'ping host' return an ip Lady_Aleena ? |
| 20:50.05 | somiaj | replace host with the domain name you can't connect to |
| 20:50.09 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, in the browser? |
| 20:50.21 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: no from a termina, I'm checking to see if dns lookup is working on your machine. |
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| 20:51.10 | Lady_Aleena | By the way, in Chromium the message is <site>'s server DNS address could not be found. |
| 20:51.12 | ryouma | Lady_Aleena: rather incredibly, it is actually sometimes the case that a physical link is down and you just can't get to california from wherever you are. or whatever. you'd think the internet routes around that -- always -- but i have been given that answer by an isp. |
| 20:51.21 | jelly | Lady_Aleena: "server not found" happens when dns resolution is affected |
| 20:51.33 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: yea sounds like dns is not working, checking ping to verify. |
| 20:51.40 | Lady_Aleena | DNS_PROBE_FINISHED_NXDOMAIN |
| 20:51.45 | jelly | chromium apparently gives better error messages. |
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| 20:52.23 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 20:52.31 | Lady_Aleena | And "ping fantasy.xecu.net" returns "connect: Network is unreachable" |
| 20:52.34 | Azrael_- | is there a systemd-startup script for multiple mariadb-instances which i can use for managing? |
| 20:53.10 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: cat /etc/resolv.conf what is the nameserver you have in there? be a line like nameserver ipaddress |
| 20:53.12 | jelly | Lady_Aleena: that machine may have lost its connectivity to the local router and dns server. |
| 20:53.46 | greycat | sounds like a wifi issue to me |
| 20:53.49 | jelly | Lady_Aleena: try unplugging and plugging in the wired network, or reconnecting to wireless network |
| 20:53.54 | somiaj | actually yea, looks like a network issue over dns, seems strange that some sites work at all though. |
| 20:54.30 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, "nameserver 2001:558:feed::1 /lf nameserver 2001:558:feed::2" |
| 20:54.59 | Lady_Aleena | jelly, I can still search on google.com and wikipedia.org which is really weird. |
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| 20:55.24 | Lady_Aleena | jelly, and I just did the whole unplugging and replugging thing. |
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| 20:56.06 | jelly | Lady_Aleena: it vaguely sounds as if your machine has lost ipv4 settings and/or connectivity but ipv6 still works |
| 20:56.09 | ryouma | did you try 8.8.8.8? |
| 20:56.12 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: that is an ipv6 address, wonder if things with ipv6 is working but ipv4 is not. |
| 20:56.31 | Lady_Aleena | ryouma, ping 8.8.8.8? |
| 20:56.47 | ryouma | set it as dns -- you should listen to somiaj not me, just an idea |
| 20:57.02 | somiaj | maybe the output of 'ip addr' would help, so we can see if ipv4 is even configured on your system. |
| 20:57.04 | jelly | Lady_Aleena: did the system detect said re-plug in any way? |
| 20:57.22 | somiaj | though I like jelly suggestion, just reset your network connection and see if that fixes it. |
| 20:57.37 | Lady_Aleena | jelly, I am here on the machine in question, which means I am connected to the net. |
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| 20:58.12 | Lady_Aleena | Is there a way to reload DNS settings? |
| 20:58.28 | greycat | restart whatever program you're using |
| 20:58.29 | Lady_Aleena | Basically so I don't have to reboot my computer... |
| 20:58.47 | greycat | DNS settings is just the contents of /etc/resolv.conf which may be cached in memory by some programs |
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| 20:58.54 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: what do you use to configure your network? |
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| 20:59.47 | Lady_Aleena | greycat, did not work, Firefox still can not load twitter.com, imdb.com, or amazon.com. |
| 20:59.59 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, unknown. |
| 20:59.59 | jelly | Lady_Aleena: not necessarily, "connected to the net" can apparently be a bit complicated to ascertain with a dual-stack |
| 21:00.34 | ryouma | slock segfaults every time i turn off the monitor. is this expected? |
| 21:00.35 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: the defualt is the interfaces file, care to share your /etc/network/interfaces file with us? |
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| 21:01.02 | jelly | Lady_Aleena: pastebin the outputs of "ip a", "ip r" and "ip -6 r", and contents of /etc/network/interfaces if you can |
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| 21:01.36 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, anywhere I can go with flood data since I can't get to a pastebin? |
| 21:01.49 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: /join #flood |
| 21:01.55 | Lady_Aleena | Is there something like #debian-flood? |
| 21:01.55 | jelly | Lady_Aleena: can you access pastebin.ca ? |
| 21:02.12 | Lady_Aleena | jelly, I CAN! WOW! |
| 21:02.18 | jelly | (first one I found to actually have an AAAA record) |
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| 21:04.31 | Lady_Aleena | http://pastebin.ca/3767857 |
| 21:04.38 | Lady_Aleena | That is everything requested. |
| 21:05.30 | tomcres | hmmm…looks like no IPv4 |
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| 21:05.46 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: your eth0 has no ipv4 network configuration which is the problem. You are also not using the interfaces to configure the network. Do you use network-manager? |
| 21:06.00 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, never touched it. |
| 21:06.02 | somiaj | anyways others may better nkow how to deal with ipv4 and ipv6 connenctions. |
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| 21:06.31 | nobody44 | hey... in a default debian installation, how do i enable dhcpv6? just adding "iface eth0 inet6 dhcp" doesn't do it :-| |
| 21:06.52 | somiaj | nobody44: what did you do after you added that line? |
| 21:06.59 | nobody44 | i rebooted |
| 21:07.25 | somiaj | nobody44: you can do things like ifup eth0 and ifdown eth0 for the lines in the interfaces file and see what the actual issue may be. |
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| 21:08.05 | Lady_Aleena | So reboot now to see if that does the trick? Also, this is not the computer with this problem. |
| 21:08.34 | nobody44 | somiaj, i could do that if I were not connected via SSH :-) |
| 21:08.35 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: that is one way to restart everything, but if you knew what managed yoru network, you could just restart your network configuration |
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| 21:08.49 | greycat | Rebooting is the surest test. |
| 21:09.32 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, well, I don't know what manages my network. |
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| 21:10.18 | Lady_Aleena | Any way of finding out what manages my network? |
| 21:10.19 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: network-manager is common and as a gui, wicd is another one. |
| 21:11.00 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, neither are on my system. |
| 21:11.12 | nobody44 | I mean... I can actually *see* that "dhclient" is not called with the "-6" parameter |
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| 21:12.55 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: do you have any files in /etc/network/interfaces.d ? I know systemd has a networkd that can configure the network, but this is not enabled by default on debian |
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| 21:14.28 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, I have the directory but there is nothing in it. |
| 21:14.37 | tw | somiaj: the default /e/net/interfaces file includes `source /etc/network/interfaces.d/*` |
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| 21:15.09 | tw | oh, nm, that doesn't conflict with what you said. |
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| 21:15.12 | tw | brainfart |
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| 21:16.41 | tw | anyway, I'd try manually calling `dhclient eth0` as root to see if it picks up an interface, regardless of what is managing it. |
| 21:16.52 | tw | dhclient -4 eth0 |
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| 21:17.30 | tw | Lady_Aleena: @you. If it's not getting a dhcp response and you aren't manually configuring the interface, that's the problem. |
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| 21:18.02 | Lady_Aleena | tw, so what is the solution? |
| 21:18.19 | tw | depends on if you are or are not getting dhcp back. |
| 21:18.30 | Lady_Aleena | Try to get all websites I visit to go ipv6? |
| 21:18.48 | somiaj | yea could be something like avahi or some other automatic tool configuring the network when it needs to be manually configured. |
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| 21:19.06 | Lady_Aleena | tw, how do I know if I am dhcp back? What is dhcp? |
| 21:19.20 | tw | if you run that dhclient -4 eth0 command, it will tell you if it got an address. |
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| 21:19.46 | Lady_Aleena | tw, do I need sudo? |
| 21:19.49 | tw | yes. |
| 21:20.05 | Lady_Aleena | tw, nothing was returned. |
| 21:20.13 | tw | like no text at all? |
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| 21:20.18 | Lady_Aleena | Correct |
| 21:20.26 | tw | it should say a bunch of crap about discovery. |
| 21:20.34 | Lady_Aleena | It doesn't. |
| 21:21.06 | tw | Lady_Aleena: check ip -4 a show dev eth0 to see if it actually configured anything. |
| 21:22.12 | Lady_Aleena | http://pastebin.ca/3767858 |
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| 21:23.04 | tw | k, it configured; your ipv4 should be functional. The problem is in your network auto configuration on your box. |
| 21:23.28 | Lady_Aleena | So, something got lost sometime and somewhere? |
| 21:23.48 | tw | Maybe? did this work previously and then stop working? |
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| 21:23.57 | Lady_Aleena | Yes, it stopped working. |
| 21:25.01 | Lady_Aleena | Okay, it is working again for a reason I can not explain. |
| 21:25.22 | tw | Lady_Aleena: It works now because you now have an ipv4 address. |
| 21:25.26 | tw | which you did not have before. |
| 21:25.42 | Lady_Aleena | Correct |
| 21:25.49 | Lady_Aleena | I think. |
| 21:25.53 | tw | Lady_Aleena: Do you have a pair of lines exactly like this in your /etc/network/interfaces http://pastebin.ca/3767859 ? |
| 21:26.11 | somiaj | tw: adding the two lines 'auto eth0' and 'iface eth0 inet dhcp' to /etc/network/interfaces should bring up the device automatically |
| 21:26.15 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: ^^ |
| 21:26.27 | somiaj | though that is only ipv4, unsure if you want ipv6 as well or not |
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| 21:27.29 | Lady_Aleena | This is what I have... http://pastebin.ca/3767860 |
| 21:28.07 | jhutchins_wk | Which is exactly what it did - loopback and no eth0 |
| 21:28.30 | jhutchins_wk | Add either of the suggested pair of lines to bring eth0 up as well. |
| 21:28.49 | jhutchins_wk | Lady_Aleena: Or use NetworkManager. |
| 21:28.56 | n4dir | Lady_Aleena: if that is all you have *and* you got no network-manager running, then you won't connect automatically. |
| 21:29.50 | Lady_Aleena | So, what lines do I need to add to /etc/network/interfaces to get things to where they should be? |
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| 21:30.11 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: the two I gave you should be sufficent for ipv4 |
| 21:31.15 | nmschulte | Is this indicative of a hardware issue? I receive this on a brand new (~2 mo old) laptop (Dell Precision Workstation w/ Quad Core Intel Xeon; Skylake). https://desmas.net/2017_02_14-15_28_09-2080x965.png |
| 21:31.23 | n4dir | https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Setting_up_an_Ethernet_Interface assuming you want wired connection |
| 21:31.27 | Lady_Aleena | So, add the line "allow-hotplug eth0" and amend "iface lo inet loopback" to "iface lo inet loopback eth0"? |
| 21:31.59 | jelly | don't touch lo or loopback |
| 21:32.16 | jelly | add a new, separate stanza for eth0 |
| 21:32.23 | zykotick9 | tw: <sidenote re:dhclient> when you mentioned that L_A would see output after running dhclient, i thought 'ya i remeber seeing that..." but on my one machine that i don't have networking enabled by default and actually run "dhclient eth0" to start networking when required, i just booted - and noticed "dhclient eth0" doesn't give any feedback (which in *nix normal, no message = no errors). this is also |
| 21:32.24 | Lady_Aleena | jelly, I wasn't going to remove them, just add eth0 to the end of line 2. |
| 21:32.29 | zykotick9 | a box running testing. |
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| 21:33.01 | n4dir | Lady_Aleena: you can copy and paste from the debian wiki ( i think someone posted examples above too). Assuming you use eth0 |
| 21:33.02 | tw | zykotick9: probably needs -d or -v or something to prevent it from daemonizing. |
| 21:33.19 | tw | I'm used to udhcpcd not dhclient. |
| 21:34.59 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, jelly, tw: So /etc/network/interfaces should look like http://pastebin.ca/3767861 ? |
| 21:35.00 | n4dir | you can always simply run "dhclient -v eth0" manually, of course. And i would not know how a not configured interface should be able to connect to IRC and fail when using the web, but i didn't follow the whole discussion. |
| 21:35.38 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: I ahd a typo, the last line should be auto eth0 |
| 21:35.44 | Lady_Aleena | Trying to merge the current settings with the new suggested settings. |
| 21:35.57 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: and you need a 5th line 'iface eth0 inet dhcp' |
| 21:36.14 | tw | n4dir: short version is ipv6. long version probably involves gutteral incantations involving SLAAC. |
| 21:36.33 | DoberMann | interfaces.d is life ;p |
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| 21:36.41 | n4dir | can't say that i understand you, tw |
| 21:37.04 | tw | can connect to irc via ipv6. |
| 21:37.13 | n4dir | ah. |
| 21:37.13 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, jelly, tw: So http://pastebin.ca/3767864 ? |
| 21:37.16 | tw | even though it's not autoconf. |
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| 21:38.37 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: that should work. I personally don't have an allow-hotplug eth0 line, but I don't plug/unplug my cord and need it to reconfigure if I do. |
| 21:38.43 | jelly | Lady_Aleena: almost right, except "allow-hotplug eth0" and "auto eth0" are very similar in meaning and mutually incompatible, leave one of those not both |
| 21:39.12 | DoberMann | Lady_Aleena: you should split your configuration like this : http://paste.alacon.org/43409 |
| 21:39.28 | Lady_Aleena | How does this look? http://pastebin.ca/3767866 |
| 21:39.37 | jhutchins_wk | Lady_Aleena: Use allow-hotplug if you will be moving the computer arround and connecting it when it's already booted, auto if it just comes up at boot. |
| 21:40.37 | Lady_Aleena | DoberMann, splitting things up into micro files gives me a headache. |
| 21:40.53 | zykotick9 | DoberMann: what is the advantage of using interfaces.d/ ? |
| 21:41.11 | jhutchins_wk | Lady_Aleena: No real need to, we've done monolithic files for ages. |
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| 21:41.20 | DoberMann | when you grow old and you want to manage each file separatly ;) |
| 21:41.21 | Lady_Aleena | jhutchins_wk, huh? |
| 21:41.23 | n4dir | splitting one block for lo and one for eth0 doesn't sound like a bad idea to me. |
| 21:41.24 | jhutchins_wk | .d/ files are meant for packages to drop configurations into. |
| 21:41.48 | jhutchins_wk | n4dir: Yeah, but no need for separate files. Keep it simple. |
| 21:41.50 | DoberMann | not only package but all configmanagement |
| 21:41.57 | somiaj | useful with large configuration files, but the interfaces file not so much. |
| 21:42.07 | zykotick9 | somiaj: +1 |
| 21:42.30 | Lady_Aleena | Hold on a moment, you are throwing too much at me all at once. Let me get some bearings. |
| 21:42.33 | n4dir | nah, i didn't think of a separate file (i didn't even heard of the .d directory as of now ... ) |
| 21:42.56 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: as an admin you have some choice here, choose what fits your system best. A single file would be my suggestion. |
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| 21:44.18 | greycat | I'm almost always a fan of the simplest solution. |
| 21:44.28 | Tachaway | Is there no Rogue (original roguelike game) packaged in Debian? I'm sure there used to be... |
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| 21:44.49 | somiaj | Tachaway: nethack |
| 21:44.49 | tw | is there a mechanic to do goofball things with interfaces.d files like so: http://paste.debian.net/914450/ ? |
| 21:44.54 | somiaj | Tachaway: though unsure about rogue |
| 21:44.59 | zykotick9 | Lady_Aleena: the advice/example the DoberMann is sharing, using the interface.d directory, is non-standard in my opinion... your milage may vary? i just use the interfaces file and haven't had issues. |
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| 21:45.20 | Tachaway | aye, I'm aware of nethack but this system can only manage a 40x21 console so I thought rogue might work on it |
| 21:45.27 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: or it doesn't matter which method you use, they both work and are supported. Choose the one you like. |
| 21:45.29 | DoberMann | zykotick9: default in jessie ;) |
| 21:45.33 | greycat | ,file games/rogue |
| 21:45.36 | judd | Search for games/rogue in jessie/amd64: bsdgames-nonfree: usr/games/rogue; games-rogue: usr/share/blends/tasks/games/rogue |
| 21:45.59 | Tachaway | yes, that's a package containing several games, none of which are actual rogue, they're just later roguelikes |
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| 21:46.15 | greycat | You can try bsdgames-nonfree and see how authentic that one is. |
| 21:46.26 | Tachaway | yes, I think that's where it was actually, thankyou |
| 21:46.34 | DoberMann | tw: no idea but not sure this kind of feature can be of any use |
| 21:46.46 | zykotick9 | DoberMann: for "complex" setups, i totally see it. for basic ones... not so much. |
| 21:47.09 | klys | could get you a slow pc simulator and play kroz |
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| 21:49.25 | tw | DoberMann: I was thinking on a usb image with persistent interface naming configured. |
| 21:49.39 | tw | but it's easier to just turn that off and only cfg eth0 |
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| 21:50.05 | Lady_Aleena | Let's go back to the difference between allow-hotplug and auto after I get my lip to stop bleeding from where my cat just bit it. |
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| 21:50.33 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: auto brings it up at boot, allow-hotplug brings it up/down when you plug/unplug the network cable. |
| 21:51.27 | jhutchins_wk | Cat obviously believes you should be doing cat, not computer. |
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| 21:52.04 | Lady_Aleena | So, if I want it brought up at boot and also when I plug/unplug my network cable, should I use both? |
| 21:52.56 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: I thought they both could be used, but jelly seemes to suggest otherwise. I only use auto myself. |
| 21:52.58 | Lady_Aleena | jhutchins_wk, I wish it were that simple. My cat is a wild animal, not a tame cat at all. |
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| 21:53.26 | somiaj | i.e. allow-hotplug should only be triggered with an hotplug event which won't happen at boot, so you should be able to have both, but I could have a missunderstanding. |
| 21:53.27 | Lady_Aleena | jhutchins_wk, I swear my cat needs strong sedatives. |
| 21:53.45 | JordiGH | What's a quick way to disable X? So that when the spooks ask me to decrypt my laptop they won't know what to do at a bash prompt. |
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| 21:54.14 | jelly | I seem to remember weird things happened if both were present, but that may just have been allow-hotplug's own |
| 21:54.19 | jelly | thing |
| 21:54.47 | tomcres | JordiGH, you could uninstall your display manager |
| 21:55.02 | somiaj | !tell JordiGH about nodm |
| 21:55.08 | Lady_Aleena | So here is another attempt before I put it into the file. |
| 21:55.09 | Lady_Aleena | http://pastebin.ca/3767867 |
| 21:55.10 | jhutchins_wk | JordiGH: Change the default target for systemd. |
| 21:55.14 | somiaj | JordiGH: follow the advice about putting false in the /etc/... file |
| 21:55.36 | JordiGH | Does systemd even do runlevels anymore? |
| 21:55.47 | greycat | Yes. |
| 21:56.02 | greycat | They call it something else, of course, because they have to make it as confusing as possible. |
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| 21:56.05 | somiaj | JordiGH: it does it's own version of them, and due to sysv compatability can use runlevels. |
| 21:56.20 | jhutchins_wk | JordiGH: They're known as targets now. |
| 21:56.21 | tomcres | I miss /etc/inittab |
| 21:56.22 | JordiGH | I see that greycat loves systemd. |
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| 21:56.34 | somiaj | not that run levels meant much by default in debian anyways |
| 21:56.35 | greycat | It is better than sysvinit. But it overreaches. |
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| 21:56.55 | somiaj | greycat: that is where I am at. I like it as an init system, but it dosen't need to also integrate with my de |
| 21:56.57 | JordiGH | Hm, why isn't /etc/X11/default-display-manager an alternative? |
| 21:57.03 | JordiGH | Like, debian-alternatives |
| 21:57.12 | greycat | there is one of those also |
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| 21:57.36 | greycat | https://wiki.debian.org/Xsession has some basic info |
| 21:57.37 | JordiGH | So I could create a debian-alternative fake dm that is /usr/bin/false and then use the alternatives to point to that? |
| 21:57.38 | somiaj | JordiGH: probabaly due to how display managers work. It is probably easier to check the contents of a file as opposed to a link when the init script is run. |
| 21:57.43 | JordiGH | Because that's so much easier than writing "false" to a file. |
| 21:57.54 | jelly | JordiGH: definitely yes |
| 21:58.05 | greycat | I don't know how /etc/X11/default-display-manager fits into the picture. |
| 21:58.13 | somiaj | JordiGH: i.e. all display manager scripts will run at boot, they just need something to check to see if they should actually run, or just nicely exit becuse they are not default. |
| 21:58.19 | jelly | !nodm |
| 21:58.19 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (http://www.enricozini.org/sw/nodm/). |
| 21:58.25 | n4dir | " They call it something else, of course, because they have to make it as confusing as possible." no shitting? |
| 21:59.42 | n4dir | my guess is that if systemd was nothing but an init system, a lot of trouble could have been avoided ... |
| 21:59.54 | jelly | since nodm is a dm and packaged now, that command line should probably be updated to include removing nodm |
| 22:00.05 | JordiGH | Ooh, different idea; is it easy to temporarily remove the LUKS header so it's just impossible to boot the laptop? |
| 22:00.31 | qmr | grub-installer is failing with error code 1 ... installing in KVM virtual machine. any bright ideas what the issue might be? |
| 22:00.31 | zykotick9 | uses nodm <- the package... why should it be removed? |
| 22:00.36 | greycat | n4dir: systemd calls them "targets". The default "target" in Debian and apparently in upstream systemd is called "graphical.target". |
| 22:00.38 | JordiGH | Remove LUKS header, back it up to a server, go through customs, be legitimately unable to decrypt the thing, reinstall LUKS header once you're past the spooks. |
| 22:00.39 | jelly | does it have to be temporary |
| 22:00.44 | JordiGH | <-- having cryptonerd fantasies. |
| 22:00.49 | Lady_Aleena | I don't see anything in this section stating auto and allow-hotplug shouldn't be used together. https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html#_the_basic_syntax_of_etc_network_interfaces |
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| 22:01.04 | greycat | n4dir: this arrangement was obviously made by Red Hat and their old "run level 5 = xdm" |
| 22:01.20 | greycat | or whatever the hell number it was that they used by default |
| 22:01.27 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: they do different things, so they should both need to be used. so use them both if needed. |
| 22:01.38 | n4dir | greycat: thanks for the info, but i care only enough to flame it a bit. My decision was that i don't want it, and after that i stopped bothering. |
| 22:01.50 | jelly | JordiGH: because they're not trained to discern bullshit like "I'm just carrying this laptop that I cannot possibly use"? |
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| 22:02.09 | greycat | https://wiki.debian.org/GDM says that you can disable gdm at the systemd level by changing the default target from graphical.target to multi-user.target |
| 22:02.12 | JordiGH | jelly: "Company policy limits my ability to decrypt it." |
| 22:02.24 | JordiGH | Which is kind of true, except I'm only limited legally right now. |
| 22:02.28 | jelly | don't like to cops |
| 22:02.32 | jelly | lie* |
| 22:03.38 | zykotick9 | notes that nodm (the package) does something different then simply disable GUI login! it logs users in automatically - different things! |
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| 22:05.10 | jelly | judd: whatprovides x-display-manager --release stretch |
| 22:05.19 | judd | Package x-display-manager in stretch/amd64 is provided by: gdm3, lightdm, lxdm, nodm, sddm, slim, wdm, xdm. |
| 22:05.38 | jelly | zykotick9: the Provides header would not lie! |
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| 22:06.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | JordiGH, the fun thing would be to have a 2nd small system boot up if you enter a 2nd password? |
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| 22:07.12 | lizzie | I wish LUKS had hidden volumes baked in the way truecrypt does |
| 22:07.34 | zykotick9 | s/does/did/ |
| 22:08.09 | lizzie | ok, the way truecrypt did, and the way extant truecrypt forks now do :P |
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| 22:09.20 | JordiGH | CutMeOwnThroat: Hehe. |
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| 22:10.09 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, tw, jelly: here is my current /etc/network/interfaces file: please correct where ever I may have gone wrong. http://pastebin.ca/3767869 |
| 22:10.45 | Lady_Aleena | DoberMann, jhutchins too ^^ |
| 22:10.53 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: looks fine |
| 22:11.04 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: not that it matters, but most list lo first. |
| 22:11.16 | jelly | Lady_Aleena: I still don't know if it's a good idea to have both auto and allow-hotplug, but otherwise you've only done cosmetic changes to the last one I read |
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| 22:11.49 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, is lo more critical than eth0? |
| 22:12.40 | Lady_Aleena | Also, will this work without rebooting? |
| 22:12.44 | lizzie | anyways my point was, truecrypt's genius was to support a hidden OS, in a way that's indistinguishable from normal usage, but also to become the gold standard FDE for normal users not hiding an OS |
| 22:12.55 | lizzie | thus, making all the normal users provide cover for the ones using the hidden OS feature |
| 22:13.20 | jelly | Lady_Aleena: it won't work automatically, reboot is the best way to verify things work |
| 22:13.26 | lizzie | if you custom-juryrig a full disk encryption system with an alternate password, it will be easy to identify it as such, and the fact that you had to go out of your way to get that functionality, makes it obvious you're using it |
| 22:13.26 | greycat | Lady_Aleena: there is absolutely zero reason for you to touch lo. |
| 22:13.27 | jelly | or the simples |
| 22:13.34 | somiaj | jelly: as per the manpage allow-foo can be all brought up down by a single command, ifup --allow=foo or ifdown --allow=foo. My understanding is those commands are triggered by the event of pluging/unpluging the cord. |
| 22:13.37 | Lady_Aleena | greycat, I did not touch lo. |
| 22:13.39 | greycat | all kinds of shit will break if you mess up lo. |
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| 22:14.08 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: lo should always be configured, and the order in the interfaces file is not important. Just lo is usally always put first and left there. |
| 22:14.14 | zykotick9 | jelly: re auto & hotplug, i read https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html 5.5.2 as it being and/or but... |
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| 22:15.01 | somiaj | and auto is just short and for allow-auto, which at boot and shutdown, ifup --allow=auto and ifdown --allow=auto are run |
| 22:16.08 | zykotick9 | somiaj: ahhh, auto is like start automatically "start interface <interface_name> upon start of the system" |
| 22:16.11 | Lady_Aleena | I am going to reboot. If I am not back within 15 minutes, you will know something went horribly wrong. I will be panicking and crying at that point. |
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| 22:16.31 | Lady_Aleena | But before reboot, must I change the order? |
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| 22:16.39 | n4dir | like said: dhclient -v eth0 |
| 22:16.53 | zykotick9 | Lady_Aleena: order doesn't matter! it's cosmetic/history... |
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| 22:17.22 | Lady_Aleena | zykotick9, okeydokey. |
| 22:17.34 | Lady_Aleena | Hopefully I will be back soon. |
| 22:17.38 | somiaj | zykotick9: up, and one can make their own custom allow-foo options and manually run ifup/down to act on all interfaces with the right flag. |
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| 22:18.17 | somiaj | zykotick9: though outside of boot and hotplug I haven't seen many used in my limited experience. |
| 22:18.48 | jelly | what a baroque way to set up sets of interfaces |
| 22:19.20 | jelly | maybe if you have a dozen related vlans or something |
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| 22:21.13 | Lady_Aleena | No tears yet. |
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| 23:24.28 | locrian9 | Is it a common thing when you install Debian that the 'sources.list' for apt-get only lists the local DVD as the source? The only uncommented repo sources in 'sources.list' are 'deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib' and 'deb-src http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib'. |
| 23:26.56 | locrian9 | When I'm trying my 'apt-get install sudo' it's saying 'Media change: please insert the disc labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 8.7.1 _Jessie_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20170116-11:01' |
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| 23:28.10 | teraflop | locrian9: depending on the media you used and the installation mode, yes it is possible |
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| 23:29.48 | nguyenphi | Can i use this guide to setup wifi on debian? https://forum.manjaro.org/t/how-to-use-systemd-networkd-to-manage-your-wifi/1557 |
| 23:30.11 | nguyenphi | Or do i need to modify something? |
| 23:30.23 | nguyenphi | This guide work perfectly on arch |
| 23:30.45 | bazhang | what version of debian nguyenphi |
| 23:31.10 | nguyenphi | bazhang: stretch or jessie whatever |
| 23:31.28 | bazhang | nguyenphi, which one |
| 23:31.37 | nguyenphi | bazhang: stretch |
| 23:31.48 | nguyenphi | bazhang: so it different by version? |
| 23:32.52 | bazhang | nguyenphi, different versions have differing support venues |
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| 23:33.20 | nguyenphi | bazhang: i have already tried with jessie but the system said counldn't found the inteface |
| 23:33.51 | nguyenphi | bazhang: in /var/run i couldnt see the wpa_supplicant |
| 23:34.05 | nguyenphi | bazhang: only networkmanager preinstalles |
| 23:34.30 | nguyenphi | bazhang: I want to use i3wm and not DE |
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| 23:35.01 | bazhang | nguyenphi, this is debian you are using, not ubuntu? |
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| 23:35.15 | nguyenphi | bazhang: yes debian |
| 23:35.32 | nguyenphi | bazhang: ubuntu just install everything |
| 23:35.35 | bazhang | !stretch |
| 23:35.35 | dpkg | The release following Debian 8 "Jessie" is codenamed "Stretch" (the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3) and will be Debian 9: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/11/msg00005.html. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch |
| 23:35.43 | teraflop | nguyenphi: systemd-networkd works in debian jessie, and you have wpa_supplicant too, idk how reliable is systemd-resolved in jessie though |
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| 23:36.21 | teraflop | nguyenphi: anyway whats wrong with NM? nmtui works great |
| 23:36.56 | nguyenphi | teraflop: i want sth simpler and, with terminal |
| 23:37.05 | teraflop | ^ |
| 23:37.16 | teraflop | tried nmtui? |
| 23:37.34 | teraflop | it's in Networkmanager |
| 23:37.38 | nguyenphi | teraflop: you mean nmcli? |
| 23:37.41 | teraflop | no |
| 23:37.45 | teraflop | I meant nmtui |
| 23:37.55 | nguyenphi | teraflop: sr i'm noob what is it |
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| 23:38.04 | tomcres | TUI = text user interface |
| 23:38.16 | tomcres | curses frontend |
| 23:38.23 | nguyenphi | My bad |
| 23:38.39 | teraflop | nguyenphi: great for tiling thingies imo |
| 23:38.51 | teraflop | i3wm and things like that |
| 23:38.58 | nguyenphi | I was trying to call the cli inteface with nmcli in the arch wiki |
| 23:39.10 | nguyenphi | But nothing work |
| 23:39.13 | teraflop | it's nmtui though |
| 23:39.19 | nguyenphi | I thought it is the same in debian |
| 23:39.37 | nguyenphi | teraflop: i will try it |
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| 23:41.13 | nguyenphi | Is there a guide to use it? teraflop |
| 23:41.31 | teraflop | nguyenphi: just type nmtui |
| 23:43.03 | nguyenphi | Side question |
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| 23:43.14 | nguyenphi | Should i use jessie or stretch? |
| 23:43.18 | dza | how come a postgresql-9.6 package could depend on packages newer than they are in jessie/stable ? |
| 23:44.13 | teraflop | nguyenphi: up to you, stretch is frozen and it will become the next stable though |
| 23:45.04 | TomTomTo1 | dza: describe what you are doing. where is that package from? what command did you run? also paste the output of apt-cache policy postgresql-9.6 to paste.debian.net please. |
| 23:45.25 | nguyenphi | TomTomTo1: thank you |
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| 23:46.07 | TomTomTo1 | no, thank you! ^^ |
| 23:46.12 | teraflop | hehe |
| 23:46.43 | dza | TomTomTo1: just 'apt-get install postgresql-9.6' and then 'postgresql-common (>= 171~) but 165+deb8u2' among others that are clearly newer than what jessie provides. |
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| 23:47.19 | TomTomTo1 | dza: because that package is not in jessie. that's why i asked you for more information. |
| 23:47.35 | dza | TomTomTo1: oh. why does it show in apt-cache? |
| 23:47.59 | TomTomTo1 | i could tell you if you give me the information i asked for D: |
| 23:48.12 | qmr | why am I getting asked questions about paper size and assorted bs by installer. o_O that did not happen with last installation |
| 23:48.15 | teraflop | paste apt-cache policy postgresql-9.6 ^ |
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| 23:49.00 | dza | TomTomTo1: sry http://paste.debian.net/plain/914467 |
| 23:49.26 | TomTomTo1 | dza: you need to use -t jessie-backports when installing from backports. |
| 23:50.07 | dza | TomTomTo1: ah ok. will look into it. sry for not pasting I had a bad sleep and feel a bit off. |
| 23:50.09 | tomcres | e.g., apt -t jessie-backports install postgresql |
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