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| 00:00.20 | Plushwolf | Let's assume that I have sudo installed and gave a user sudo access. Now the user got hacked and someone else logged in and is now sudo'ing with the user login password. ... Now, what would be the best solution? Avoid sudo and using root instead but doesn't let root login using ssh? Or using sudo with special restrictions? In some part sudo looks like a more security issue to me. |
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| 00:02.01 | foul_owl | mtn: are you certain I will not lose my x.org windows if I do that? Fluxbox only has the "exit" option in the menu |
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| 00:03.02 | mtn | foul_owl, oh, you can't afford to logout? |
| 00:03.06 | wedgie | Plushwolf: if the user was using root instead of their own account with sudo privs then the root account would have just been compromised and you'd be in the same position |
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| 00:03.33 | aypea[0] | foul_owl: the hassle you may be experiencing is that your window manager may be the process that stops the x initialisation script from finishing. if that finishes then you lose your X session. if you want to play with window managers you'll need to use something else as the stopper and & your window manager |
| 00:04.04 | foul_owl | Well I would prefer to not play with other window managers tbh |
| 00:04.07 | Plushwolf | wedgie: Yes, that's right, but is it possible to prevent that by removing/avoiding sudo? It's just in theory now, don't get it too productive :) |
| 00:04.12 | foul_owl | Just trying to fix this gnome3 maximizing bug |
| 00:04.24 | foul_owl | programs that use gnome3, ie, evince, are unusable |
| 00:04.49 | wedgie | Plushwolf: if the user doesn't need root privileges then don't give them sudo access. I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at |
| 00:04.52 | aypea[0] | foul_owl: then it is likely that gnome3 stuff is the stopper and it just runs the wm for you. how it deals with the wm vanishing, I dunno. I use xfce which simply couldn't care less. |
| 00:04.53 | foul_owl | They appear half off the screen, cannot be resized, and cannot be maximized |
| 00:05.04 | foul_owl | I use fluxbox |
| 00:05.09 | foul_owl | I hate gnome3 with a passion |
| 00:05.33 | aypea[0] | ahhh. I see what you meant. |
| 00:05.53 | aypea[0] | foul: try alt-<mouse-drag> ? |
| 00:06.07 | aypea[0] | on the window. |
| 00:06.32 | foul_owl | The cursor changes to a grabbing hand, but the window refuses to budge |
| 00:06.40 | aypea[0] | how rude! |
| 00:06.41 | foul_owl | It is "stuck" |
| 00:06.43 | foul_owl | lol |
| 00:06.54 | foul_owl | windows 3.1 has a more usable gui than gnome3 |
| 00:07.06 | foul_owl | Even as I don't use gnome3 |
| 00:07.10 | foul_owl | o_O |
| 00:07.25 | aypea[0] | can fluxbox run a command? if so you could try getting it to exec a different window manager to see if it has the same issue. there is a risk, though |
| 00:07.53 | foul_owl | Just a regular shell command? |
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| 00:08.03 | foul_owl | Or a fluxbox specific command? |
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| 00:08.15 | wedgie | foul_owl: terrible solution: Try it in a VM |
| 00:08.27 | aypea[0] | foul_owl: shell. oh. wait. no. that wont work. sorry. |
| 00:08.35 | foul_owl | Hmm, a vm would be a workaround for sure |
| 00:08.56 | aypea[0] | or bite the bullet, log out and try something different :) |
| 00:09.09 | foul_owl | xmonad is appealing for sure |
| 00:09.17 | foul_owl | But I don't know all the keys yet |
| 00:09.23 | foul_owl | Maybe I'll bug #gnome |
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| 00:12.12 | bazhang | foul_owl, you probably want to withhold the comments on gnome and windows 3.1 there |
| 00:12.51 | foul_owl | haha understood |
| 00:13.09 | foul_owl | It's true though....on windows 3.1 _all windows are moveable_ |
| 00:13.16 | foul_owl | or resizeable |
| 00:13.31 | foul_owl | Not the case here for gods know what reason o_O |
| 00:14.31 | aypea[0] | foul_owl: it helps provide a better, more consistent user experience. *cough* |
| 00:14.35 | bazhang | why not use gnome tweak tool for that |
| 00:14.48 | foul_owl | What is the gnome tweak tool? |
| 00:14.59 | bazhang | something to do just what you want |
| 00:15.04 | foul_owl | I don't use gnome so I have no knowledge of these things |
| 00:15.16 | foul_owl | Let me google that first |
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| 00:16.57 | foul_owl | gnome-tweak-tool has the same problem as evince, it shows up half off my screen, cannot be resized or moved |
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| 00:33.46 | somerandomnick | is this the right place to ask about ALSA problems? |
| 00:34.02 | somerandomnick | whatever volume I set with amixer or alsamixer, the sound is still coming out at the same volume when I play a song with mpv |
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| 00:36.13 | bazhang | somerandomnick, what is PCM set to |
| 00:37.22 | somerandomnick | I have "Master", "Headphone Detect", "Speaker", "Line out", "Beep", "Audio Mute" and "Play-through" |
| 00:37.26 | somerandomnick | am I missing that |
| 00:38.34 | bazhang | in alsamixer? |
| 00:39.31 | somerandomnick | yep |
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| 00:40.21 | bazhang | check master, then |
| 00:40.28 | bazhang | is it set to 100 |
| 00:41.38 | somerandomnick | it is set to 0 |
| 00:41.46 | somerandomnick | but not muted |
| 00:41.56 | bazhang | what is the very top |
| 00:42.06 | somerandomnick | ho-hum? |
| 00:44.44 | somerandomnick | bazhang: do you mean which one is set to the highest? |
| 00:44.48 | somerandomnick | they are all set to 0 |
| 00:45.37 | bazhang | somerandomnick, are you able to set them above zero |
| 00:45.45 | somerandomnick | yep, sure thing |
| 00:45.51 | somerandomnick | doesn't change the sound coming out though |
| 00:46.35 | bazhang | somerandomnick, which devices are you trying to play sound with, and have you installed padevchooser and pavucontrol |
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| 00:47.06 | somerandomnick | I lie, "Beep" affects the volume of the beep |
| 00:47.18 | somerandomnick | I'm just using ALSA, no pulseaudio stuff installed |
| 00:47.31 | somerandomnick | "Master" doesn't affect the volume of the beep though |
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| 00:47.53 | zykotick9 | somerandomnick: do you have another audio device? F6 in alsamixer. |
| 00:48.00 | somerandomnick | nope, just the one |
| 00:52.58 | mickael_ | hi, not sureif I should ask here, in #lxc or #systemd, but how do you disable systemd-journald.service systemd-journald.socket and systemd-journald-dev-log.socket in a container ? I ran systemctl disable on each services, restarted the container and they still appears as running (other services I disabled are, as expected, not running anymore) |
| 00:54.28 | FinalX | it's part of systemd's core, so you can't really do without it. you could install sysvinit-core to replace systemd in containers though, for example. |
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| 00:54.30 | mickael_ | oh I need to run mask |
| 00:54.39 | bazhang | somerandomnick, did you or did you net get the packages I stated above |
| 00:54.45 | bazhang | not |
| 00:55.13 | somerandomnick | bazhang: I did not, are those not for PulseAudio? |
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| 00:55.22 | bazhang | yes |
| 00:55.30 | somerandomnick | I am just using ALSA |
| 00:56.01 | bazhang | an alsamixer that does not have PCM |
| 00:56.08 | bazhang | never seen that before |
| 00:56.15 | mickael_ | FinalX: masking them did the trick |
| 00:56.44 | FinalX | ok |
| 00:57.36 | mickael_ | and systemd-journal-flush.service can be disabled as well 'cause it failed to start :) |
| 00:57.52 | somerandomnick | bazhang: it's possible I have not installed ALSA correctly |
| 00:57.58 | somerandomnick | although my hardware is also a little strange |
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| 00:58.15 | bazhang | somerandomnick, was this a net install |
| 00:58.30 | somerandomnick | yep |
| 00:58.36 | somerandomnick | but I installed the ALSA stuff myself |
| 00:58.38 | somerandomnick | possibly wrong |
| 00:58.46 | bazhang | and what device did you instll debian on |
| 00:59.43 | bazhang | you tried to compile alsa yourself to instll on debian net install? |
| 00:59.51 | somerandomnick | nope |
| 00:59.59 | somerandomnick | did a net install selecting almost no packages |
| 01:00.04 | somerandomnick | then later installed some alsa packages |
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| 01:00.41 | bazhang | which ones |
| 01:01.07 | bazhang | alsa-utils ? |
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| 01:02.18 | somerandomnick | alsa-base, alsa-utils, alsa-oss, alsamixergui |
| 01:06.02 | TomTomTo1 | did you add yourself to the audio group? |
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| 01:10.52 | Neobenedict | ok rsync is too slow |
| 01:10.59 | Neobenedict | what is faster for transfering lots of files |
| 01:11.09 | bazhang | how slow |
| 01:11.41 | bazhang | what is the destination in this case |
| 01:11.59 | Neobenedict | server->server |
| 01:12.02 | Neobenedict | im only getting 30MB/s |
| 01:12.09 | Neobenedict | its cpu limited |
| 01:12.17 | somerandomnick | TomTomTo1: nope but I can hear audio I play |
| 01:12.21 | bazhang | distant or nearby |
| 01:12.30 | Neobenedict | right next to each other |
| 01:12.44 | Neobenedict | these things can transfer 110MB/s over http |
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| 01:27.08 | dgm78 | Hi! I removed php executable and apt-get install php5 do not create a new php, why??? (I'm new in Debian) |
| 01:28.29 | klys | try apt-get install --reinstall php5 |
| 01:28.59 | klys | if it doesn't still check http://packages.debian.org/ for the path to /usr/bin/php |
| 01:31.54 | abrotman | because that's not the package that installs it |
| 01:32.01 | abrotman | judd: file bin/php |
| 01:32.05 | judd | No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 01:32.09 | abrotman | judd: file bin/php5 |
| 01:32.12 | judd | Search for bin/php5 in jessie/amd64: php5-cli: usr/bin/php5; php5-cgi: usr/lib/cgi-bin/php5 |
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| 01:34.32 | somerandomnick | so |
| 01:34.41 | somerandomnick | muting and unmuting Master /does/ mute and unmute sound |
| 01:34.56 | somerandomnick | just changing the level does nothing |
| 01:35.11 | klys | are you plugged into "line out?" |
| 01:35.46 | klys | if so, try plugging into "speaker" instead. |
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| 01:38.51 | somerandomnick | "Line out" is muted |
| 01:38.55 | somerandomnick | the speakers are internal |
| 01:41.22 | klys | is it a laptop/notebook/tablet pc? |
| 01:42.40 | pierrot | Hi. While using eclipse Neon.2 I get some strange visualisation errors: http://i.imgur.com/s5vAbZ3.png |
| 01:42.45 | pierrot | I'm on Debian Jessie |
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| 01:43.40 | dgm78 | abrotman: thanks |
| 01:44.49 | somerandomnick | klys: it's an all-in-one |
| 01:45.50 | klys | somerandomnick, the reason I ask is because if you are using a desktop pc, you might be referring to the PC speaker as "internal sound." |
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| 01:46.55 | somerandomnick | ah right |
| 01:47.08 | somerandomnick | yeah there's no PC speaker beep-thing |
| 01:47.11 | somerandomnick | just the ones on the outside |
| 01:47.12 | marioxcc_ | Hello. Where is the documentation for XKB symbols files (the ones that define keyboard layouts for X.org)? |
| 01:48.01 | klys | somerandomnick, does it go over an HDMI connection? |
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| 01:48.29 | somerandomnick | nope |
| 01:48.31 | klys | k |
| 01:48.34 | somerandomnick | it's a 1999 iMac for some context |
| 01:49.33 | klys | somerandomnick, lspci | grep Audio and compare the results to your alsa drivers which you can list with lsmod | grep snd |
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| 01:50.22 | somerandomnick | ok wow |
| 01:50.23 | klys | if you have the right ALSA driver loaded, you should have a mixer available for volume adjustment. |
| 01:50.28 | somerandomnick | so no output with lspci | grep Audio |
| 01:50.37 | somerandomnick | that's fun |
| 01:51.06 | klys | hmm it might be listed elsewhere, try lspci | less and search for your sound hardware |
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| 01:51.39 | klys | actually pc's from the 90s are also listed with lspnp and pnpdump |
| 01:51.59 | n4dir | a Mac ain't a PC though, or is it? |
| 01:52.05 | n4dir | try this: https://oswaldkelso.blogspot.de/2010/10/how-to-fix-no-sound-on-debian-powerpc.html |
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| 01:52.18 | klys | cool |
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| 01:52.59 | n4dir | which is not very clear, as far it's me. I entered iMac G5 at wiki.debian.org, and the result helped me to get it sorted (the bad news: i didn't understand much and forgot it again ... Good luck) |
| 01:53.30 | n4dir | else there is a debian-ppc channel, might be worth a try, but is often rather silent |
| 01:55.34 | somerandomnick | n4dir: I /think/ it has detected the right module |
| 01:55.44 | somerandomnick | it says "PowerMac Screamer" |
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| 01:56.58 | n4dir | somerandomnick: i offered only a few links/hints. The subject is above me. |
| 01:58.25 | redrabbit | how can i enable ssh on a new image for a headless arm install |
| 01:58.36 | linearlogic123 | I accidentally change the sudoers file and I throwing some catch on line 9 and 10. http://pastebin.com/XXDxcFzw |
| 01:59.05 | linearlogic123 | something with the "Defaults" and "secure_path" |
| 02:00.04 | somerandomnick | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=74254 |
| 02:00.12 | somerandomnick | this might be my issue |
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| 02:01.58 | n4dir | I think oswaldkelsoo stilll visits forums.debian, and he has lots of experience with ppc-Macs. Make a thread, if you like. Either he runs into it, or i will tell him someone needs help with ppc/sound/etc. |
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| 02:04.15 | somerandomnick | n4dir: cheers |
| 02:05.50 | linearlogic123 | I accidentally change the sudoers file and I throwing some catch on line 9 and 10. http://pastebin.com/XXDxcFzw |
| 02:06.12 | linearlogic123 | I tried googling the file myself but haven't fixed it. |
| 02:06.30 | n4dir | somerandomnick: i forwarded the info. Let's hope he will see it soon and be able to help. |
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| 02:10.20 | newcoder | How can I download source code of 4.9.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae from jessie-backports? |
| 02:10.29 | b0t | I have a big problem, -bash: /usr/sbin/newaliases: No such file or directory |
| 02:10.41 | n4dir | linearlogic123: try this (vanilla, after installing sudo): http://sprunge.us/YhLF |
| 02:10.47 | b0t | how to fix it? |
| 02:11.11 | fatalhalt | where can I find Debian 3.1 'sarge' iso download for i386? |
| 02:13.40 | aerth | does this work https://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ |
| 02:14.17 | newcoder | apt-get source linux-image-4.9.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae , where does it download the source code? |
| 02:14.35 | fatalhalt | aerth, let me see, thanks, I was here https://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/3.1_r0/i386/iso-cd/ but only see netinstall img |
| 02:14.42 | linearlogic123 | n4dir: just to be sure "Write out" is saving right? |
| 02:15.17 | aerth | Yes i see now |
| 02:15.56 | aerth | must be hard to find mirrors for that old of a release |
| 02:16.21 | n4dir | linearlogic123: i don't understand. sorry. late at night and all ... |
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| 02:17.51 | linearlogic123 | k thanks |
| 02:17.55 | aerth | fatalhalt: seems like november 2nd at 20:08 the builds failed for all of 3.1 |
| 02:18.27 | aerth | who did that i wonder |
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| 02:18.36 | linearlogic123 | So I guess I have a bigger problem I get this error: >>> /etc/sudoers: syntax error near line 11 <<< |
| 02:18.51 | fatalhalt | aerth, hmmm :) |
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| 02:18.55 | linearlogic123 | Whats happening? |
| 02:19.49 | aerth | "Some events disturbed the project while working on Sarge, as Debian servers were attacked by fire and hackers. " |
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| 02:21.34 | fatalhalt | aerth, that's horrible :( |
| 02:21.53 | fatalhalt | aerth, i have this binary program that is linked against 3.3.5 gcc (Debian), ELF targets >=Linux 2.2.0 |
| 02:22.40 | aerth | wont work with >3.3.5 ? |
| 02:22.43 | fatalhalt | and lib boost 1.33.1 |
| 02:23.27 | aerth | and u tracked down that Sarge has 3.3.5 and 1.33.1 hah |
| 02:23.35 | fatalhalt | preferably I'm looking to Debian that came with boost 1.33.1 |
| 02:23.37 | fatalhalt | yes |
| 02:23.55 | aerth | it may be easier to find the sources for 3.3.5 and 1.33.1 |
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| 02:27.45 | fatalhalt | aerth, found 3.1r8 here :D, https://archive.org/details/debian_3.1r8_i386 |
| 02:29.02 | aerth | true that good luck |
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| 02:30.39 | fatalhalt | there's even 1.3.1 from 1997...."This is the Linux distribution that recently orbited on the U.S. |
| 02:30.39 | fatalhalt | Space Shuttle" |
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| 02:30.45 | fatalhalt | https://archive.org/details/debian_1.3.1_iso |
| 02:31.39 | tomcres | 1.3 was my first Debian :-) "bo" I think it was called |
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| 02:32.14 | tsuyubo | hi,when i update-grub, it shows: Searching for splash image ... none found, skipping ... |
| 02:32.17 | tsuyubo | Searching for splash image ... none found, skipping ... |
| 02:32.38 | tsuyubo | i am sorry.. |
| 02:33.19 | tsuyubo | i want to know this have effect on grub V2 |
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| 02:41.58 | bum | How to stream movies from Android to windows to TV |
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| 02:42.28 | n-iCe | chromecast? |
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| 02:42.50 | somiaj | what does this have to do with debian? |
| 02:42.53 | bum | Without it n-iCe |
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| 02:43.03 | n-iCe | bum: hdmi? |
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| 02:43.35 | bum | I want to use tablet as Chromecast .tablet is windows. |
| 02:43.39 | bum | n-iCe: |
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| 02:43.58 | bum | Android Phone don't have hdmi out |
| 02:44.05 | bum | n-iCe: |
| 02:44.05 | missmbob | bum: please stay on topic. |
| 02:44.15 | tomcres | !ot |
| 02:44.15 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 02:51.46 | socomm | is it possible to have 'apt-get' answer yes to all the replace configuration file prompts? |
| 02:51.51 | socomm | I tried -y but still get prompted |
| 02:53.17 | n4dir | a few days ago i searched for it, yes it is possible, but i don't recall how. I think a blog entry of Herzog gave the solution |
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| 02:54.16 | gry | is there a way to install android-sdk in jessie? it's not in backports |
| 02:54.35 | marioxcc_ | Hello. In ISO keyboards, what is the name for the keycode of the key between 'Z' and left shift (like <TLDE>, <AB09>, etcetera)? |
| 02:54.39 | n4dir | socomm: this was the link i found: https://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/09/21/debian-conffile-configuration-file-managed-by-dpkg/ |
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| 02:56.10 | socomm | n4dir: Thanks, let me check. |
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| 02:57.35 | missmbob | ,checkbackport android-sdk |
| 02:57.36 | judd | Backporting package android-sdk in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie, jessie-backports. |
| 02:57.41 | missmbob | gry: ^ |
| 02:57.46 | tsuyubo | hi, after installed new kernel, my networking doesn't work, how to figure it out? |
| 02:57.57 | somiaj | gry: I have seen guides on how to install it, but you'll most likely have to install locally and not from the debian repos. |
| 02:58.37 | somiaj | socomm: I think you are takling about dpkg/debconf questions which is different than apt-get, and I think there is such a way. |
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| 02:59.50 | gry | missmbob: are you suggesting me to backport it? |
| 02:59.58 | socomm | somiaj: was talking apt-get |
| 03:00.16 | socomm | somiaj: the link posted by n4dir looks like a work-around |
| 03:00.21 | missmbob | gry: just saying it's an option. doing it locally would be easier |
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| 03:01.01 | gry | Ah, installing by manually downloading binaries from the website is what my sister is doing, which I believe is 'install locally'. I was pulling hair and thinking of alternatives. Thanks! |
| 03:01.09 | somiaj | gry: Oh I didn't realize it was in stretch, sometimes the ssb factoid can automate backporting, but loots liek some work either way. |
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| 03:02.05 | somiaj | gry: yea that is what is meant by install locally, most stuff should install in /usr/local which things can live there independent of the stuff installed by dpkg. Just note /usr/local/bin takes rerfrence to stuff installed by dpkg. |
| 03:03.04 | tx | oh android-sdk isn't even in stable? haha |
| 03:03.10 | tx | sorry gry I didn't know that, I use stretch. :x |
| 03:03.11 | somiaj | socomm: he is saying the same thing, apt-get after it downloads and isntalls a package passes it to dpkg/debconf, and any configuration questions come from there, so you'll have to configure debconf automatically say yes to those promts. |
| 03:03.42 | gry | tx: it's OK. Of our three debian laptops (!), one is on stretch, and other two are on jessie. :) |
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| 03:26.07 | rfleming | Greetings. |
| 03:26.19 | rfleming | I botched nvidia-drivers, and now my GNOME crashes on logon |
| 03:26.45 | rfleming | (I've reverted back to nouveau, my system hangs after logging in via gdm) |
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| 03:28.28 | rfleming | any ideas? |
| 03:28.38 | somiaj | first do you want to use the non-free drivers or nouveau? |
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| 03:28.51 | rfleming | somiaj: I'd prefer non-free |
| 03:29.00 | rfleming | but at this point, getting nouveau working again would be nice |
| 03:29.24 | rfleming | ... and now it's working |
| 03:29.26 | rfleming | wtf |
| 03:29.29 | rfleming | sighs |
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| 03:29.38 | somiaj | rfleming: how did you insatll the non-free nvidia drivers? |
| 03:29.49 | rfleming | I ran nvidia-detect |
| 03:29.58 | rfleming | told me to install nvidia-driver |
| 03:30.05 | somiaj | !nvidia-dkms |
| 03:30.09 | somiaj | !nvidia dkms |
| 03:30.09 | dpkg | For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. |
| 03:30.14 | rfleming | I was following the instructions on the wiki |
| 03:30.20 | somiaj | rfleming: those are the instructions I suggest, yea they should be similar. |
| 03:30.36 | rfleming | I'm also using Stretch |
| 03:31.00 | rfleming | Seems my GNOME is unstable. It logged on last time, and hung this time |
| 03:31.31 | rfleming | when I had the nvidia non-free installed, I got the 'Oh No' message |
| 03:31.52 | somiaj | well you haven't been clear on how you installed nvidia, and what card you have. |
| 03:32.01 | somiaj | do you have an older nvidia card and need to use legacy drivers? |
| 03:33.00 | rfleming | followed https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 03:33.46 | aokfire | Hi |
| 03:34.06 | rfleming | I have a Quadro 1000M |
| 03:34.10 | somiaj | rfleming: that should work, what card do you have? |
| 03:34.16 | somiaj | ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 03:34.17 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 304.131-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.101-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.101-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 375.26-1~bpo8+1; sid/non-free: 375.26-2; stretch/non-free: 375.26-2 |
| 03:34.29 | aokfire | curious why I've got swap usage with 50% of RAM cached |
| 03:34.57 | aokfire | free: http://puu.sh/u6HPi.txt |
| 03:35.09 | aokfire | I just... dont' get it |
| 03:35.16 | aokfire | swappiness is set to 1... |
| 03:35.32 | jscoder | I'm experiencing an strange intermittant issue with fonts in gtk apps where tops of cerain letters both lowercase and capital seem to be disappearing (such as A, C, S, W) in the UI components only, for example in the Pluma (mate) text editor its happening in the menu, tabs, and the taskbar on mate-panel but not currently in the text of files open in pluma, but sometimes it also occurs in the text area as w |
| 03:35.34 | somiaj | aokfire: maybe you filled up ram, swapped some data, rame freed up, but it stayed in swap as it hasn't needed it yet |
| 03:35.38 | jscoder | ell. |
| 03:35.42 | somiaj | aokfire: but that does seem odd |
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| 03:35.47 | aokfire | no |
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| 03:35.49 | somiaj | rfleming: do you mean M1000M? |
| 03:35.51 | aokfire | I've never used all RAM in the system |
| 03:35.56 | somiaj | rfleming: I'm not familar with the quadro line |
| 03:35.59 | aokfire | I keep logs of usage, and it's never used it all |
| 03:36.05 | aokfire | maybe 400-500MB most |
| 03:36.07 | somiaj | rfleming: nevermind, I found it, yea that driver should support it. |
| 03:36.08 | aokfire | but never full usage |
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| 03:36.53 | somiaj | aokfire: that does seems strange, I don't think I know enough to be of much help though. |
| 03:37.05 | aokfire | np :) |
| 03:37.11 | aokfire | hoping someone will have an idea |
| 03:37.29 | rfleming | somiaj: my system is consistently hanging now |
| 03:37.34 | rfleming | even in console |
| 03:37.52 | somiaj | rfleming: you may have some conflicting drivers. I wonder if the quadro drivers have the correct gl support for gnome. |
| 03:38.00 | rfleming | good question |
| 03:38.03 | somiaj | rfleming: I don't have experience with those cards, so unsure why those instructions didn't work for you. |
| 03:38.22 | rfleming | I'll have to reinstall, seems something has happened on a more fundamental level... or my SSD just crapped in the bed |
| 03:38.26 | somiaj | rfleming: but gnome requires a certian opengl standard or you get the 'oh no' error |
| 03:38.32 | rfleming | 'Loading initial ramdis ...' |
| 03:40.10 | jscoder | that font issue I mentioned just seems to have magically disappeared as I sat here. It comes and goes |
| 03:41.16 | jscoder | it may be worth mentioning that this is an old system with a 1.8ghz single core and 1gb ram and at the time I mentioned the issue I was loading several news articles in tabs in chrome, now they're loaded and the issue is gone |
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| 03:42.28 | jscoder | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RV350/M10 GL [Mobility FireGL T2] (rev 80) |
| 03:42.49 | jscoder | is the video card, sharing ram of course, and I've installed no additional packages to support it |
| 03:43.40 | aokfire | wtf swapon not found?? |
| 03:44.29 | jscoder | aokfire: are you root? |
| 03:44.34 | aokfire | nope woops |
| 03:44.35 | aokfire | lol |
| 03:45.27 | jscoder | yes, well "which swapon" as user will return nothing, but as root it'll say /sbin/swapon .. the sbin indicating it's a superuser binary |
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| 03:45.44 | r4f_debian | hi all |
| 03:45.45 | aokfire | yup |
| 03:45.59 | jscoder | r4f_debian: not yet, but we're working on it |
| 03:46.33 | r4f_debian | Hi jscoder, please, not yet, but you are working on it ? |
| 03:46.36 | jscoder | though I'm sure some of us are plenty high right now.. I'm personally basking in my own gas at the moment |
| 03:46.38 | r4f_debian | ? |
| 03:46.44 | aokfire | can I s |
| 03:47.11 | r4f_debian | sorry, jscoder, couldn't follow you. Please, what are you talking about ? |
| 03:47.15 | jscoder | r4f_debian: it was a play on the words, might not translate well as a joke if you're not a native speaker or don't realize a lot of people do drugs |
| 03:47.49 | somiaj | which is probably a good reason to keep jokes like that out of support chanel that spans the globe. |
| 03:47.52 | r4f_debian | oh, you refer to english as native language, I suppose |
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| 03:48.04 | jscoder | somiaj: yes, it would seem so.. |
| 03:48.06 | r4f_debian | Hi somiaj |
| 03:48.21 | tx | Is there a reason why apt needs to have its own separate proxy configuration? |
| 03:48.32 | tx | (and not use environment vars) |
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| 03:49.58 | jscoder | tx: there is not a reason why it needs it per se, but there are reasons why you could want apt to not use a global proxy.. as your apt mirror could be local, could use a special caching proxy, etc.. maybe you should rephrase your issue including what you want to happen and what you tried that isnt working |
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| 03:50.18 | aokfire | welp |
| 03:50.22 | aokfire | idk what's going on but pce |
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| 03:50.26 | tx | jscoder: It isn't an issue |
| 03:50.50 | tx | it's just the only thing (besides wget) that doesn't seem to like deriving from envs. |
| 03:50.57 | tx | that I use on the regular. |
| 03:51.07 | jscoder | tx: well then as a discussion, there are reasons why people wouldnt want apt to keep its own settings |
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| 03:51.17 | jscoder | erm.. would want it to rather |
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| 03:51.23 | tx | The same could be said for a lot of other things as well. |
| 03:51.46 | rfleming | somiaj: It appears this is a hybrid |
| 03:51.55 | rfleming | Intel/Nvidia Bumblebee/Prime |
| 03:52.41 | jscoder | this is true, apt proxying is usually done through its configuration file, because as I said apt proxies are often special caching proxies to reduce bandwith usage or to increase speed by prefering local files |
| 03:53.31 | somiaj | rfleming: didn't know they had that with quadros. That is more work, you can look at the bumblebee support, but I don't know much about it |
| 03:53.52 | rfleming | am looking now at the Bumblebee wiki entry |
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| 03:56.36 | rfleming | somiaj: and it works |
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| 04:13.14 | rfleming | Hello again. |
| 04:18.49 | epsilon | systemd must die |
| 04:19.16 | jscoder | epsilon: killall -11 systemd |
| 04:19.17 | jscoder | heh |
| 04:19.42 | jscoder | nothing kills like a SIGSEGV |
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| 04:20.44 | somiaj | epsilon: it won't and this is not the place to discuss such things. You can use sysvinit in debian if you want to, it won't completely remove systemd, but the option is available. |
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| 04:28.05 | epsilon | since systemd, i have to install watchdog on almost all servers, because $something is not starting as it should because of missing dependency |
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| 04:30.38 | jscoder | epsilon: and its hanging the boot process indefinitely? |
| 04:31.05 | jscoder | .. or just longer than you care to or can afford to wait? :-P |
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| 04:33.15 | epsilon | more like a service saying "ah, service $x i not ready yet, ok I just won't start" |
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| 04:34.24 | somiaj | epsilon: bug reports are nice, and yes systemd requires dependencies, but it should just wait until service is ready as opposed to just not start. |
| 04:34.32 | jscoder | epsilon: ah, which of course is major issue because you got a remote headless server |
| 04:35.14 | jscoder | epsilon: you know you can boot with a kernel parameter specifying where to log such events and in combination with your watchdog you can likely run it down |
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| 04:35.41 | jscoder | Debugging systemd https://wiki.debian.org/systemd#Debugging shows the kernel parameters |
| 04:37.54 | epsilon | in most time it has to do with interfaces which is taking few seconds to coming up, but the servcies are not waiting - typical example is (K)VM is not starting because the bridge is still not up yet |
| 04:38.08 | jscoder | I know the pain of having to learn to do things a new way, but I also recognize the futility of fighting change. The damn web is changing _everything_ so fast anymore, I got a wakeup call watching those Kids / Teens react to $foo type videos on youtube and realizing how much things changed in just the last 20 years |
| 04:39.32 | somiaj | epsilon: bug reports help, debian does want to improve things. I agree bridges seem to take a while to come up. On my system (it is just a desktop) kvm comes up correctly after my bridge is up. If this is not happening sounds like a bug, see if it has been reported or report it. Only way to improve things. systemd is gonna be around. The other option is go back to sysvinit. |
| 04:39.37 | somiaj | !remove systemd |
| 04:39.37 | dpkg | To use an init system other than systemd in jessie, install the systemd-shim package (for logind) and remove the systemd-sysv package: aptitude install systemd-shim sysvinit-core systemd-sysv-. To stick with sysvinit for wheezy->jessie upgrades, follow the pinning advice in the release notes: http://deb.li/30Kby - See also <upstart> and <openrc> |
| 04:39.46 | somiaj | debian fully supports both systemd and sysvinit |
| 04:41.32 | jscoder | heh, systemd-shim, I like that. So does this systemd thread the boot process or something where things can happen out of order? |
| 04:42.01 | jscoder | used to be things happened in a sequence, you couldn't get a lower priority script running until the others completed |
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| 04:45.13 | jscoder | all I see here on the wiki is "agressive parallization" which is vague. I've personally from a user standpoint noticed no difference, but I haven't done a server in a long time and interaction with boot scripts is limited on a workstation |
| 04:45.53 | jscoder | I still do /etc/init.d/foo restart and such instead of using the service command |
| 04:46.01 | rhizome | me too |
| 04:46.09 | jscoder | its just a habit |
| 04:46.20 | rhizome | i didn't get all that muscle memory for nothing |
| 04:47.07 | jscoder | yeah, well as far as all that goes, the structure from a casual user standpoint is still similar enough most of us don't even notice the change, but this is not the first time I've heard someone complaining about it |
| 04:48.46 | jscoder | I still see scripts in the same location with links indicating startup order. I fail to see how issues arise with order of boot unless its now using some asynchronus or threaded approach to processing boot scripts |
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| 04:49.29 | somiaj | jscoder: systemd-shim contains some of the systemd stuff needed for logind and gnome, but this is indepdnent of using systemd as the init system. |
| 04:49.51 | jscoder | because if its just Foo fails and Bar fails because Foo fails, that's not systemd specific, thats the boot scripts themselves that are SNAFU'd |
| 04:49.52 | somiaj | jscoder: so systemd-shim just allows one to use another init system, such as sysvinit, but have some of the required systemd compoenets for other parts of the system. |
| 04:51.18 | jscoder | somiaj: yeah I could deduce the point of it, I just thought it was funny that they call it a shim. The part I'm confused about is why our friend here thinks his issues are systemd. What does systemd do that would cause this issue? Does it create a possibility for a script with a lower priority to run before a higher priorty one finishes? |
| 04:52.31 | somiaj | well provided they don't depend on each other, it speeds up boot time by running things in prallel and using targets and linked dependencies. As for why a script fails it could be just the unit file is not properly configured to wait for the network to come up. |
| 04:53.07 | somiaj | but there are some subtlites here such as if a service starts and then reports it has completed (but is still doing stuff in the background) the next one may start before the desired dependencies are actually ready. |
| 04:53.24 | somiaj | here #systemd maybe better to explain the details. In my case it has worked fine, but I'm only a desktop user |
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| 04:54.11 | jscoder | well then I'm right on both points that it does allow some form of parallel and it introduces a new system of checking for dependencies, which could create a problem, but the 2nd point I make is that ultimately its a configuration issue in that the boot script in question is to blame not systemd |
| 04:54.31 | epsilon | right now, it's already helping me if I could tell systemd to take a 15 sec coffee break after network interface have been started before doing anything further |
| 04:56.21 | jscoder | well thats essentially how we used to do it, the scripts either as you say "took a coffee break" or they checked something to see if something else started, this was all done in a linear fashion by a shell script. Apparently systemd as somiaj describes has more advanced methods in place to resolve dependencies that seem to have been designed to prevent these issues |
| 04:58.05 | jscoder | I still struggle with the hardware abstraction layers at times when I need to do things, but I realize they made things easier to get at if you know how. Systemd can't possibly be as complex to learn as things like udev,hal,dbus, etc |
| 04:58.48 | jscoder | the boot process is relatively uncomplicated and still similar enough most of us use it the same way we always did. |
| 04:58.51 | somiaj | the unit files are nice and straight forward (compared to shell scripts), but it is still young in terms of testing, things like this still need to be worked out. Wonder if it works better in stretch or with the systemd from jessie-backports |
| 05:00.43 | jscoder | I personally have struggled a lot with the conf.d approach which I saw first when Apache 2 came out and now everything does it. The many files thing is what always annoyed me about C/C++ its an approach that is simpler for the person who knows where all the pieces are and what they do, but complicated for someone who doesn't have the Table of Contents :-P |
| 05:01.37 | jscoder | thats what annoys a lot of people is there is no longer a simple go to /etc/ look for a conf file, then you know whatever you're trying to config is in there somewhere. Now it could be in any number of different places and you have to look all over to figure out what's the problem |
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| 05:03.38 | LinuxNIT | is there anyway to force files COPIED or MOVED into a directory to assume the permissions of the directory without using options for cp/mv? |
| 05:03.51 | jscoder | So in our case in point what we need to address these sorts of changes is good documentation and utilities that can help navigate all these new settings and files |
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| 05:04.06 | LinuxNIT | id like to use an acl for it but im new to acls and cant seem to find how to do it |
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| 05:05.25 | somiaj | LinuxNIT: what permisions do you want it to obtain? Not all these permissions can be changed by a normal user |
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| 05:05.49 | jscoder | I believe you're talking about a creation mask |
| 05:05.53 | LinuxNIT | asume the group of the folder and rw for the group |
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| 05:06.06 | somiaj | LinuxNIT: mv should keep the current permisions, cp should give new permisions based on various permisions/mask of the directory. |
| 05:06.26 | somiaj | LinuxNIT: you can configure it so that is default for files copied/created, I don't think it will work for moved files. |
| 05:06.55 | Rusty1_ | http://serverfault.com/questions/617398/is-there-a-way-to-see-the-execution-tree-of-systemd << jscoder dunno , but maybe useful |
| 05:06.56 | somiaj | though I'm not sure on the details here |
| 05:07.07 | jscoder | LinuxNIT: setfacl -d -m group:name:rwx /path/to/your/dir |
| 05:08.01 | jscoder | LinuxNIT: the old non ACL way is the umask command which sets the mask for created files |
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| 05:08.13 | LinuxNIT | jscoder, i set that on the folder and it worked for files created but not copied or moved into the folder |
| 05:08.26 | mhall | Out of all of the options listed in https://wiki.debian.org/HowToSetupADebianRepository , what is the best one to use for 1) modern directory layout w/ distro version support, 2) proper package pool, 3) small number of packages ? |
| 05:08.29 | jscoder | LinuxNIT: oh right, I see your point now |
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| 05:09.29 | somiaj | http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/115246/file-inheriting-permission-of-directory-it-is-copied-in |
| 05:09.40 | somiaj | LinuxNIT: looks like flags are the option. Alias can add those flags by default. |
| 05:09.49 | LinuxNIT | basically i have a folder shared across smb and i want any user to be able to put files in the folder and everyone to have RW access. At the moment the files that get moved in are not write able by other users |
| 05:09.50 | somiaj | seems cp ignores the masks |
| 05:10.26 | somiaj | and move doens't mess with permissions. You could also write a simple cron script that changes all the permissions in that directory every so often. |
| 05:10.41 | somiaj | so every minute the permsions are reset to what you want. |
| 05:10.48 | jscoder | hmm, well I thought samba like windows filesystems under linux automatically used a mask because it doesnt support unix style permissions |
| 05:11.15 | jscoder | no wait, samba can be put into user mode and work with unix permissions |
| 05:11.17 | somiaj | jscoder: it can be configured to use the permissions of the user that logs in, so different users will have differrent permissions. |
| 05:11.34 | somiaj | jscoder: this is of course on the server end, on the windows end it will work like windows permissions |
| 05:12.01 | jscoder | yeah I recall that now, samba had two modes user or share based permissions. Its been a long time since I used it |
| 05:12.04 | LinuxNIT | yeah i actually wrote a python script that will monitor files moved in and fix them but it seems like an odd fix |
| 05:12.14 | jscoder | if you use user mode it will work on the user that logs in |
| 05:12.27 | LinuxNIT | ill check the mode. maybe that will fix it |
| 05:12.30 | somiaj | LinuxNIT: anyways it seems that is the behavior of cp without that extra flag. |
| 05:13.02 | jscoder | well in share mode you have permissions based on share not based on user, and afaik thats global, you can't use both user and share permissions |
| 05:13.19 | LinuxNIT | yeah it just seems like you should be able to have the filesystem override the cp command |
| 05:13.28 | somiaj | and in share mode samba is running as root so the actual permisions of the file won't mean much to samba. |
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| 05:14.42 | jscoder | samba is a bitch when you get into it deep enough, and that damn guide O'Reilly wrote that's included in the samba-doc has stuff in it that will never work |
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| 05:15.21 | somiaj | haha here is a strange workaround, use cat. cat file > /path/to/newfile (then it creates it) |
| 05:15.42 | jscoder | yeah well you can't do that from a windows end with a share |
| 05:16.18 | somiaj | you can't really cp from windows either, so assume their issue is with copying from the server (not windows) |
| 05:16.36 | jscoder | LinuxNIT: are you only using samba for this one share you want everyone to access, or do you have a more complex setup? |
| 05:16.47 | somiaj | there is also an 'install' command which copies files and sets attributes |
| 05:17.00 | jscoder | if you're using a unix style environment you should use rsync or nfs |
| 05:17.26 | jscoder | samba between two linux hosts is just gross, its like some form of incest |
| 05:17.31 | somiaj | jscoder: I still find samba easier than nfs....though I use rsync+ssh for my systems. |
| 05:17.50 | LinuxNIT | Just samaba access |
| 05:18.10 | somiaj | it is still easier than nfs in some aspects (epsically with dealing with remote vs client server permisions |
| 05:18.27 | jscoder | LinuxNIT: because if you only want to use samba for a single public style share, you may want to consider using share based access as a simple solution rather than user based access |
| 05:18.34 | somiaj | LinuxNIT: share mode might be more to what you need. You will configure each share and give permsisions based on the share. The user connection won't change this. |
| 05:19.01 | LinuxNIT | ill check into that |
| 05:19.13 | LinuxNIT | kids are going crazy now that i tried to do something |
| 05:19.14 | jscoder | yes, user mode wasn't intended for different users sharing the same share |
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| 05:19.42 | jscoder | thats what share mode is for, it sets the security per share rather than per user |
| 05:19.44 | LinuxNIT | sounds like this will fix it. I just have to test it |
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| 05:20.00 | LinuxNIT | thanks jscoder and somiaj |
| 05:20.04 | LinuxNIT | i have to run now |
| 05:20.25 | jscoder | LinuxNIT: its the security = parameter in smb.conf |
| 05:20.33 | LinuxNIT | thanks |
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| 05:24.42 | jscoder | somiaj: idk it depends on what your doing, but as I said before samba really is a bitch when you get into it. sshfs and nfs aren't that complex, and in a lot of ways are simpler. samba has to be configured as a whole, and logs the same way, you can't just create complex setups like you can with sshfs/rysnc or nfs. |
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| 05:25.36 | jscoder | I argued with a lot of people about samba once complaining about logging features mentioned in that O'Reilly Using Samba included in samba-doc, that simply aren't possible, but would be cool if they were. heh |
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| 05:26.18 | jscoder | the upstream devs said samba would have to be rewritten from the ground up to support that kind of feature described, but the maintainers refused to pull the document |
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| 05:53.14 | lux_ATOM | so can audio be streamed from one bluetooth adapter to another ie play my netbooks files over my desktops speakers? |
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| 05:59.13 | fishbulb | hey is there a way to mount the old distro, I use firefox so I need the tabs from the last session |
| 06:00.13 | fishbulb | the other distro I use has a root password which I changed to a longer complex one that I forgot, I've backed up my own content, but I'm wondering if I can get the tabs from the last session out of firefox |
| 06:01.07 | fishbulb | I mounted the root partition and got the content out fine, I need to get all the tabs that were open if possible, it loads the last tabs that were open, and there were possibly around a hundred |
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| 06:03.09 | stew | fishbulb: if you have the root partition mounted, why don't you just change the password? |
| 06:03.25 | fishbulb | I don't have it mounted |
| 06:03.27 | fishbulb | I did |
| 06:04.12 | fishbulb | I'm using windows as an emergency fallback because it's on every machine |
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| 06:05.25 | fishbulb | also the other distro is arch, I used hirens boot cd I think? on a usb stick (I haven't used optical media for about a decade) to transfer my content |
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| 06:06.08 | fishbulb | I'm tired of sytemd and the other arch stuff, and the users, it's time to try debian again |
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| 06:07.59 | fishbulb | I think it might work having different levels of "stable" as options instead of "all the newest tiny changes all the time" |
| 06:10.06 | somiaj | fishbulb: the info for firefox will be in $HOME somewhere...unsure where it puts its cache fiel to restore old tabs. |
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| 06:10.50 | fishbulb | I'd prefer not to just install over that, I was using most of them |
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| 07:27.34 | Lupen | !list |
| 07:27.34 | dpkg | lupen: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per saperne di più. |
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| 08:35.40 | henkla | hello. i'm one key push from jumping to testing from stable. i have butterflies in my stomach - will this break my entire system? |
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| 08:37.57 | missmbob | unlikely |
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| 08:38.34 | henkla | because testing is so close to release and thus almost stable? |
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| 08:39.09 | missmbob | yeah, hard freeze. there's nothing really going on |
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| 08:39.40 | henkla | ty. i'll give it a go |
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| 08:47.11 | codfection | hello |
| 08:47.29 | codfection | should I wait for stretch or install testing/unstable or jessie ? |
| 08:47.55 | Drzacek | stretch is testing |
| 08:48.09 | Drzacek | and you can safely install it |
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| 08:49.40 | codfection | I see |
| 08:49.47 | codfection | what about unstable debian or jessie? |
| 08:50.00 | codfection | I want something that I dont want to fiddle around and just focus on my work |
| 08:50.10 | codfection | I suppose it would be jessie? or unstable? |
| 08:50.21 | missmbob | jessie if you dont want to fiddle |
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| 08:50.43 | codfection | I see |
| 08:50.49 | codfection | are the packages too old in jessie? |
| 08:51.19 | missmbob | !jessie-backports |
| 08:51.19 | dpkg | Selected packages intended for the Debian 9 "Stretch" release but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. Note that jessie-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main». Also ask me about <bdo>. |
| 08:51.23 | codfection | and if stretch makes it into stable, will I have to re install everything or directly upgrade to stretch (stable) without any issues? |
| 08:51.33 | missmbob | you can upgrade |
| 08:52.04 | codfection | missmbob, thanks. |
| 08:52.12 | codfection | which desktop environment are you guys using on jessie? |
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| 08:52.53 | missmbob | i use xfce |
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| 08:53.23 | codfection | I see |
| 08:53.29 | codfection | thanks missmbob :) |
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| 08:54.05 | fishbulb | is there firewall software that comes with debian? |
| 08:54.25 | missmbob | nothing enabled by default |
| 08:54.28 | missmbob | !ufw |
| 08:54.29 | dpkg | Uncomplicated firewall (ufw) is an <iptables> front-end with syntax similar to OpenBSD's Packet Filter (PF). https://launchpad.net/ufw |
| 08:54.46 | fishbulb | is it gui |
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| 08:54.52 | missmbob | gufw is |
| 08:55.25 | fishbulb | I assume it'll do the job |
| 08:56.44 | squigz | it'll do *a* job |
| 08:57.12 | codfection | I just love debian so much that I dont have to fiddle around with stuff. Just worried about latest packages :( |
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| 08:57.39 | missmbob | codfection: jessie-backports should have newer packages for a lot of what you want |
| 08:57.39 | codfection | ubuntu is not what I want. its not as perfect as debian. |
| 08:57.52 | codfection | missmbob, will it break ? |
| 08:57.55 | fishbulb | I'm worried about latest packages compared to arch |
| 08:57.57 | missmbob | no |
| 08:58.09 | fishbulb | nothing ever broke on my machine |
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| 08:58.13 | missmbob | codfection: https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 08:58.23 | codfection | missmbob, so I just edit the repos and add jessie-backport repo right? |
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| 08:58.48 | missmbob | codfection: you have to read about how to call the repo. see the instructions |
| 08:59.03 | fishbulb | which kernel and which version of gnome comes with the latest version of debian? |
| 08:59.26 | missmbob | ,kernels |
| 08:59.27 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.10.0-rc6-686-pae (4.10~rc6-1~exp2); sid: 4.9.0-1-686-pae (4.9.6-3); stretch: 4.9.0-1-686-pae (4.9.6-3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.9.2-2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.39-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.84-1) |
| 08:59.30 | missmbob | ,v gnome-core |
| 08:59.31 | judd | Package: gnome-core on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:3.4+7+deb7u1; jessie: 1:3.14+3; sid: 1:3.20+3; stretch: 1:3.20+3 |
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| 08:59.55 | fishbulb | wheezy is latest? |
| 08:59.59 | missmbob | jessie |
| 09:00.23 | fishbulb | why does wheezy have a later version of gnome than jessie |
| 09:00.51 | missmbob | it doesnt. 14 is larger than 4 |
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| 09:01.32 | fishbulb | I was going by 3.4 being larger than 3.14 |
| 09:02.02 | fishbulb | why does stretch have 3.20 then |
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| 09:02.42 | codfection | does jessie boot into UEFI or MBR only? |
| 09:03.09 | missmbob | codfection: either. no secure boot though. live iso does not support uefi. you have to use the real installer |
| 09:03.23 | codfection | I see |
| 09:03.32 | codfection | so should I install in MBR |
| 09:03.56 | missmbob | i didnt say that. i said dont use live iso to install. |
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| 09:09.04 | jhatoms | Hi there, I have a rsync(d) question : when using the daemon, if I specify "uid = %RSYNC_USER_NAME%" and "gid = *", I tumble upon permission denied when transferring between two computers |
| 09:09.22 | jhatoms | they have the same uid / gid (same visual names and associated id) |
| 09:09.43 | jhatoms | when I "force" uid and gid in rsyncd.conf to the explicit names, it works just fine... |
| 09:11.25 | jhatoms | Correction : it's not "permission denied" it's "operation not permitted (1)" |
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| 09:15.09 | rock | https://youtu.be/cwXtXOxqrSk |
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| 09:27.20 | fishbulb | To dual boot with windows do I set the bootable flag off for the design partition and put it on the windows partition? |
| 09:27.40 | fishbulb | Debian I mean |
| 09:27.55 | missmbob | debian doesnt care about the flag |
| 09:27.56 | babilen | Debian's bootloader doesn't care about the bootable flag |
| 09:28.28 | fishbulb | Where do I set it to then |
| 09:28.40 | babilen | Whatever you desire |
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| 09:29.12 | fishbulb | So nowhere? Why is it an option? |
| 09:29.38 | missmbob | it used to matter 15 years ago |
| 09:29.46 | babilen | Because certain bootloaders (the MS Windows one) boot from the partition with the flag set and why wouldn't the tools support it? |
| 09:30.01 | babilen | This is from ancient times |
| 09:30.04 | fishbulb | And it's still an option.... 15 years later? |
| 09:30.14 | babilen | People use all kind of systems |
| 09:30.22 | babilen | Why would you remove it? |
| 09:30.27 | fishbulb | I'm using grub like normal |
| 09:30.51 | fishbulb | I don't know, I didn't know why it was there |
| 09:30.53 | babilen | grub doesn't care about it |
| 09:31.37 | fishbulb | So which one do I set as bootable? None? Debian partition only? Windows and debian? |
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| 09:33.46 | fishbulb | None is what I'll go for if it doesn't do anything |
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| 09:51.10 | Chrismeister | How come Active Mode FTP works behind a NAT-enabled router? Does the router inspect and modify FTP packages? Before a transfer my computer sent this to the debian servers: ---> PORT 10,0,0,2,199,11 . The servers could impossibly have established a datachannel connection to this IP. |
| 09:51.54 | Chrismeister | But still the transfer succeded. |
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| 09:52.39 | Chrismeister | Maybe wrong channel but don't know where to ask |
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| 10:08.56 | jelly | Chrismeister: the interesting thing about cheap router and firewall firmwares is lots of those have active mode ftp connection tracking working, but passive not |
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| 10:10.33 | jelly | Chrismeister: so yes, the router actually massages ftp protocol info into working |
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| 10:11.48 | Chrismeister | jelly: Cool! I had no idea my router had deep packet inspection capabilities. |
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| 10:32.25 | zamba | i have a hard time removing a package.. it seems like the script depends on the service running before proceeding |
| 10:32.37 | zamba | how can i just wipe the package without running any scripts? |
| 10:33.01 | zamba | or where is the script? |
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| 10:34.47 | fishbulb | I installed debian but the wireless drivers were not installed |
| 10:35.00 | fishbulb | There's no wireless device |
| 10:35.27 | fishbulb | Only Bluetooth and Ethernet |
| 10:36.19 | babilen | Which wireless adaptor do you have? |
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| 10:36.36 | babilen | (i.e. what is the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i network" ?) |
| 10:36.38 | fishbulb | Dunno. How do I find out? |
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| 10:37.13 | babilen | zamba: Which package is that? |
| 10:37.27 | babilen | zamba: Could you paste your command and the actual error to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 10:37.35 | fishbulb | I am on a phone because I can't connect to the net |
| 10:37.41 | DLange | zamba: check /var/lib/dpkg/info/<package>.{pre|post}rm |
| 10:38.18 | fishbulb | Intel cetrino advanced n 62 |
| 10:38.33 | babilen | fishbulb: That command should give you an alphanumerical identifier at the end. It looks like [abcd:1234] -- Could you give me that? |
| 10:38.33 | fishbulb | 05 Taylor peak rev 34 |
| 10:38.46 | babilen | fishbulb: Can you connect to the internet using that box? |
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| 10:39.24 | fishbulb | It's a fucking pain, the router is somewhere else |
| 10:39.58 | babilen | Well, that wireless cards requires firmware and you'll have to install the firmware-iwlwifi package for it to work |
| 10:40.28 | babilen | fishbulb: It should be pointed out that there are installer images with firmware and you might prefer to use those if you rely on firmware to get an internet connection |
| 10:40.33 | babilen | dpkg: firmware image |
| 10:40.33 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
| 10:40.39 | fishbulb | Network controller: Intel corporation cetrino advanced n 6205 |
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| 10:41.23 | babilen | fishbulb: Is there no PCI ID at the end? (something that looks like [abcd:1234]) |
| 10:41.29 | fishbulb | I can see like 5 lines of irc on this phone |
| 10:41.38 | fishbulb | Rev 34 |
| 10:41.38 | babilen | Okay, no worries |
| 10:41.52 | fishbulb | At the start |
| 10:42.13 | fishbulb | 00:1f.3 |
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| 10:43.30 | fishbulb | Is hibernation actually enabled with debian as default? |
| 10:43.42 | babilen | fishbulb: You can either download https://packages.debian.org/jessie/firmware-iwlwifi and install it with "dpkg -i /path/to/firmware-iwlwifi*.deb" or use an installer with firmware from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ |
| 10:43.55 | firztspawn | if a bear shits in the woods, would you hear it? |
| 10:44.19 | fishbulb | Someone said just use Ethernet and the WiFi will be installed automatically |
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| 10:45.58 | babilen | fishbulb: If you are connected via ethernet installing that package would work with "apt install firmware-iwlwifi" provided you have "contrib non-free" entries in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 10:46.03 | babilen | Can you connect to ethernet? |
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| 10:47.08 | fishbulb | Wait, I'll go and do that, it's a pain. I'll be back in like ten minutes |
| 10:47.21 | babilen | http://paste.debian.net/915073/ in /etc/apt/sources.list would do nicely |
| 10:47.56 | babilen | fishbulb: I'm sorry, but you should have been advised to use the firmware installer or install that package in the first place |
| 10:48.57 | fishbulb | I used that installer |
| 10:49.02 | babilen | The firmware one? |
| 10:49.08 | fishbulb | Yes |
| 10:49.11 | babilen | Ah, well |
| 10:49.15 | BluesKaj | Hi folks |
| 10:49.31 | babilen | fishbulb: The problem is something else then |
| 10:49.53 | fishbulb | Obviously it didn't install the firmware for some reason. It installed everything else |
| 10:50.00 | babilen | fishbulb: Does "dpkg -l firmware-iwlwifi" start with "ii" ? |
| 10:50.38 | fishbulb | Wait please I can't answer anything on my phone, I need to connect this computer to the routers to |
| 10:50.47 | fishbulb | To the router to |
| 10:50.50 | fishbulb | Duxk |
| 10:50.57 | babilen | Duxk? |
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| 10:51.10 | firztspawn | DUCK BUT WITH AN F iM GUESSING |
| 10:51.13 | firztspawn | oops |
| 10:51.16 | babilen | fuck you mean? |
| 10:52.04 | babilen | fishbulb: Either way, take your time. It would be advantageous to have the ability to read longer sentences and to be able to provide output of commands. |
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| 10:53.13 | powi | !paste |
| 10:53.13 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 10:53.31 | babilen | powi: "/msg dpkg paste" ;) |
| 10:54.12 | powi | Ok, thanks. |
| 10:54.21 | powi | (And sorry) |
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| 11:11.03 | fish-bulb | hi, I'm trying to install firmware for my wifi |
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| 11:11.58 | smojphace | Is there a set of online manuals for applications from the repos? |
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| 11:12.24 | fish-bulb | who was I talking to before? |
| 11:12.42 | towo` | does it matter |
| 11:12.45 | towo` | ? |
| 11:12.59 | towo` | "my wifi" is not a known vendor |
| 11:13.03 | fish-bulb | they had the answers and I was talking to them |
| 11:13.19 | firztspawn | fish-bulb, babilen was helping you |
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| 11:16.18 | fish-bulb | babilen, are you busy |
| 11:16.42 | chavesfop | smojphace in terminal, you can use man (man - an interface to the on-line reference manuals) |
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| 11:17.07 | skwi | Hello everyone, I am using current, i don't undestand one thing, konqueror/firefox-esr say all SSL connexion are not trusted / expired. I have dpkg-reconfigure certificates... No clues on internet, please someone has a tips to fix that ? |
| 11:17.44 | fish-bulb | does anyone know of some firewall software that will do the job well enough |
| 11:17.49 | chavesfop | skwi what's your system date? |
| 11:17.51 | fish-bulb | while I'm waiting |
| 11:18.06 | towo` | fish-bulb, iptables |
| 11:18.39 | fish-bulb | with a gui frontend |
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| 11:18.51 | smojphace | chavesfop: I just have a vague memory of seeing some new automated online man page building thingy |
| 11:20.38 | towo` | fish-bulb, why you think you need a firewall? |
| 11:21.33 | fish-bulb | why do you think I haven't ignored you yet? it's not because I don't want to, it's because I don't like creating a filter-bubble for shit I don't like |
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| 11:22.07 | firztspawn | has used linux for 10 years without a firewall.. |
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| 11:22.25 | fish-bulb | I want to disable a few things that make me feel safer. personal preference. |
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| 11:22.34 | towo` | a firewall is not a piece of software, it's a security concept |
| 11:22.37 | firztspawn | fair enough |
| 11:22.42 | fish-bulb | this is an ultraportable and it doesn't stay indoors the whole time |
| 11:23.01 | chavesfop | fish-bulb search for gui-iptables |
| 11:23.24 | fish-bulb | there's a simple firewall or something like that? |
| 11:23.38 | chavesfop | fish-bulb http://www.iptables.info/en/iptables-gui.html |
| 11:25.02 | fish-bulb | that will take a while to read through |
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| 11:26.26 | fish-bulb | how do I get actual firefox instead of iceweasle |
| 11:26.47 | babilen | fish-bulb: You install it :) |
| 11:26.50 | towo` | there is no iceweasel anymore |
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| 11:26.54 | babilen | judd: v firefox |
| 11:26.55 | judd | Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 51.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 51.0.1-1; experimental: 52.0~b3-1 |
| 11:26.55 | chavesfop | fish-bulb do you prefer a web based, an X application, or a terminal interface? |
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| 11:27.27 | babilen | judd: v firefox-esr |
| 11:27.28 | judd | Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 45.6.0esr-1~deb8u1; wheezy-security: 45.7.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 45.7.0esr-1~deb8u1; sid: 45.7.0esr-4; stretch: 45.7.0esr-4 |
| 11:27.36 | fish-bulb | what's esr |
| 11:27.45 | babilen | Extended support release |
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| 11:28.02 | fish-bulb | dot dot dot |
| 11:30.36 | fish-bulb | what's extended support release? |
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| 11:31.23 | babilen | A release that is supported for longer than other releases (i.e. the timeframe in which the release is supported has been extended) |
| 11:31.29 | fish-bulb | also there must have been like 20+ things I did to gnome that haven't been done yet, I'd like to get some background stuff set up then change what it looks like |
| 11:32.11 | babilen | Sure, knock yourself out |
| 11:32.20 | skwi | I am using current, konqueror/firefox-esr say all SSL connexion are not trusted / expired. I have dpkg-reconfigure certificates... No clues on internet, please someone has a tips to fix that ? |
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| 11:33.14 | fish-bulb | if I can't get the important stuff set up now I'll just change what it looks like. so far I'm loving this fresh install is using 870mb of ram |
| 11:34.21 | fish-bulb | to add numix icons what do I alter? there's other nonfree stuff I want/need to use |
| 11:34.22 | babilen | skwi: Could you paste your sources.list, run "apt update" and paste the output of "apt-cache policy ca-certificates" to http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 11:37.18 | skwi | babilen, yes i do now |
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| 11:38.44 | fish-bulb | how do I add the nonfree repo? |
| 11:39.25 | babilen | fish-bulb: You ensure that entries in your sources.list end in "non-free" -- http://paste.debian.net/915073/ should work well |
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| 11:40.13 | fish-bulb | can I add it to synaptics package manager |
| 11:40.37 | babilen | I have no idea, I never touch it. I would guess that it has some means to alter the sources.list though. |
| 11:41.18 | fish-bulb | it's "non-free contrib main" in that |
| 11:41.32 | babilen | The order doesn't matter |
| 11:41.37 | fish-bulb | so maybe this unofficial installer did that already |
| 11:41.48 | babilen | You mean the firmware installer? |
| 11:42.07 | skwi | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/hidden/37faaa99/ |
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| 11:42.52 | fish-bulb | the debian installer that was supposed to install the firmware |
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| 11:43.26 | fish-bulb | but maybe it was rufus or something, or maybe I was supposed to put bin files and didn't use the right ones, I dunno |
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| 11:43.36 | fish-bulb | oh yeah how do I install the wireless firmware |
| 11:43.55 | towo` | you don't need that, if you have used the unoficial installer |
| 11:44.07 | towo` | there is the firmware shipped |
| 11:44.18 | towo` | that's the intend of this installer |
| 11:44.44 | fish-bulb | lspci shows the device, but I don't know if it's working, I can't add a wireless connection |
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| 11:45.07 | TomTomTo1 | what chipset is that? lspci -nn | grep -i network |
| 11:45.10 | towo` | and your secret device is? |
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| 11:45.19 | fish-bulb | I pasted it over and over |
| 11:45.21 | fish-bulb | 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Advanced-N 6205 [Taylor Peak] (rev 34) |
| 11:45.33 | TomTomTo1 | good for you, i don't follow hours of backlog. |
| 11:45.44 | TomTomTo1 | and that's not the output i asked for. |
| 11:45.48 | towo` | you need kernel and firmware from backports |
| 11:45.50 | fish-bulb | I'm talking to that annoying towo` but shouldn't be |
| 11:46.19 | babilen | skwi: First and foremost: You don't need "[arch=amd64,i386]" in there. That's an Ubuntuism as their mirrors do not contain all architectures. I would also switch to deb.debian.org from httpredir.debian.org, but that's irrelevant. The rest looks fine .. What does "apt list --upgradable" give you after making the changes I outlined and running "apt update" ? |
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| 11:46.49 | fish-bulb | TomTomTo1, that's precisely the output you need, there's one wireless device |
| 11:46.56 | babilen | No, it is not |
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| 11:47.28 | fish-bulb | my mistake 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Centrino Advanced-N 6205 [Taylor Peak] [8086:0085] (rev 34) |
| 11:47.28 | babilen | Like TomTomTo1 I asked you about the output of a very specific command (namely "lspci -nn|grep -i network") and you decided to not provide it. |
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| 11:48.52 | fish-bulb | it looked the same, my mistake |
| 11:49.07 | skwi | babilen, apt list --upgradable say, listing... Done |
| 11:49.27 | TomTomTo1 | ,pciid [8086:0085] |
| 11:49.28 | judd | [8086:0085] is 'Centrino Advanced-N 6205 [Taylor Peak]' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'iwlwifi', 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:0085 http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
| 11:49.56 | TomTomTo1 | hmm, that should have been provided by the firmware installer. |
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| 11:50.08 | fish-bulb | for some reason it didn't install the firmware, I don't know why |
| 11:50.10 | babilen | fish-bulb: So, list the output of "dpkg -l firmware-iwlwifi", "ip a", "modprobe -r iwlwifi; modprobe iwlwifi; dmesg|tail -n23", "iwconfig" on http://paste.debian.net |
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| 11:51.05 | fish-bulb | command not found |
| 11:51.45 | babilen | skwi: Hmm, that all looks fine. What is the exact error and which browser does this involve? (will be off to lunch very soon though) |
| 11:52.19 | babilen | fish-bulb: Run commands with superuser privileges or using their absolute path where necessary |
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| 11:52.57 | fish-bulb | bash: dpkg -l firmware-iwlwifi,: command not found |
| 11:53.22 | skwi | babilen, The server failed the seccurity check the certificate has expired |
| 11:53.43 | babilen | fish-bulb: Feel free to paste your *exact* command and its exact output (of all the ones mentioned earlier) on http://paste.debian.net |
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| 11:54.26 | fish-bulb | bash: sudo: command not found |
| 11:54.27 | babilen | Please note that quotation marks have been used to delineate commands and are not part thereof |
| 11:54.52 | babilen | Did you install and configure sudo? |
| 11:55.03 | fish-bulb | I thought it would have come installed, so no |
| 11:55.11 | babilen | dpkg: sudoers |
| 11:55.11 | dpkg | From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" onwards, you can grant yourself (minimally secure) root permissions for <sudo> by adding yourself to the "sudo" group: "adduser your_username sudo". See the man pages indicated by "apropos sudo" for more information. |
| 11:55.21 | babilen | You shouldn't need sudo for the task at hand though |
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| 11:57.52 | fish-bulb | what am I doing now? |
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| 11:58.02 | babilen | You tell me |
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| 11:58.11 | fish-bulb | trying to install wireless firmware |
| 11:58.43 | babilen | I would assume that you are working on either configuring sudo, getting the output of the commands mentioned earlier, installing and configuring firmware-iwlwifi and a backported kernel from jessie-backports as suggested by towo` earlier or .. |
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| 11:59.15 | fish-bulb | all of those, how do I get started, I don't know what backports is |
| 11:59.25 | towo` | learn it |
| 11:59.26 | babilen | dpkg: jessie-backports |
| 11:59.26 | dpkg | Selected packages intended for the Debian 9 "Stretch" release but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. Note that jessie-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main». Also ask me about <bdo>. |
| 11:59.45 | babilen | I'd personally start with the output of the commands I asked about, but I'm off for lunch now |
| 12:00.00 | babilen | dpkg: bdo kernel |
| 12:00.01 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'». |
| 12:00.20 | babilen | skwi: Where is that browser from? |
| 12:00.22 | fish-bulb | wait so stretch is the next version of debian? |
| 12:00.39 | TomTomTo1 | not released yet |
| 12:00.44 | fish-bulb | ok |
| 12:00.53 | babilen | But yes, stretch will be the next version/release of Debian |
| 12:00.57 | fish-bulb | and jessie is the current one that I'm using |
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| 12:01.07 | fish-bulb | and wheezy is a previous one |
| 12:01.20 | babilen | dpkg: release history |
| 12:01.21 | dpkg | Debian releases are named after "Toy Story" characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7; 2013-05-04), Jessie(8; 2015-04-25). The next release will be Stretch. http://deb.li/it56U |
| 12:01.23 | fish-bulb | just so I understand what the hell any of these things are |
| 12:01.41 | fish-bulb | ok that's more clear now. |
| 12:02.13 | babilen | fish-bulb: You might want to read https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/apt.html + https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.release-lifecycle.html |
| 12:02.30 | babilen | *nom* |
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| 12:02.53 | fish-bulb | I didn't know the order, now I do |
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| 12:04.35 | skwi | babilen, konqueror / firefox-esr / chromium all the same, it seems they don't see the ssl settings... could it be possible this create troubles : "updates of cacerts keystore disabled" |
| 12:04.36 | skwi | after running dplkg-reconfigure ca-certificates ? |
| 12:05.32 | babilen | Could you paste the entire output? |
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| 12:06.44 | fish-bulb | why was I meant to use the backported kernel |
| 12:07.10 | TomTomTo1 | possibly improved hardware compatebility. |
| 12:07.22 | fish-bulb | how do I get it? |
| 12:08.20 | TomTomTo1 | https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 12:08.38 | towo` | fish-bulb, how old you are? 10? |
| 12:09.13 | TomTomTo1 | you will need the linux-image-amd64 metapackage and firmware-iwlwifi from there. |
| 12:09.49 | fish-bulb | should I apt-get upgrade |
| 12:10.33 | fish-bulb | I've never used debian. all this shit is unfamiliar |
| 12:10.35 | TomTomTo1 | packages will not get automatically upgraded to the backports version. |
| 12:10.38 | babilen | skwi: I'd investigate those lines. Look into ca-certificates, ca-certificates-java and their respective scripts and also at update-ca-certificates. Might want to check if you have /etc/default/ca-certificates or something like that. |
| 12:11.20 | TomTomTo1 | fish-bulb: just apt update to update your package lists after changing your sources. but the instruction describe everything. |
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| 12:11.27 | skwi | babilen, it seems all packages are too old, maybe the fact that i pinned mixxx package involve this ? |
| 12:11.58 | TomTomTo1 | babilen is going to starve ^^ |
| 12:12.35 | fish-bulb | change the sources with what? this install is totally barebones |
| 12:13.06 | TomTomTo1 | you were asking about jessie-backports. the instruction i linked explain the whole process. |
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| 12:13.53 | fish-bulb | how do I middle button scroll with the thinkpad touchpoint thing |
| 12:14.17 | TomTomTo1 | page up, page down ? |
| 12:14.37 | towo` | fish-bulb, read it in the thinkwiki |
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| 12:14.54 | fish-bulb | no, I need to hold the middle button, and scroll by moving the touchpoint thing up and down, that's not working, it's pretty essential |
| 12:15.27 | TomTomTo1 | how about you focus on one issue? |
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| 12:16.16 | fish-bulb | being able to scroll is pretty useful in my opinion if I'm supposed to be reading stuff |
| 12:18.42 | JotaMG | Hi! I have a problem with using snapshot.debian.org Is this the right place to ask for some help?? |
| 12:19.05 | TomTomTo1 | JotaMG: sure, what's the problem? |
| 12:19.23 | skwi | babilen, /etc/default/ca-certificates doesn't exist |
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| 12:20.20 | BluesKaj | fish-bulb, use the up/down arrow keys to scroll if your mouse wheel doesn't do the job |
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| 12:23.27 | fish-bulb | how do I edit sources.list |
| 12:23.39 | TomTomTo1 | with an editor and root permissions. |
| 12:23.43 | skwi | vi /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:23.58 | fish-bulb | there isn't even sudo |
| 12:24.04 | TomTomTo1 | skwi: did you mean /etc/ca-certificates ? |
| 12:24.38 | TomTomTo1 | fish-bulb: you don't need sudo to login as root. use the su command. |
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| 12:24.57 | skwi | no TomTomTo1 /etc/default/ca-certficates like babilen ask |
| 12:25.17 | TomTomTo1 | i don't that directory either. |
| 12:25.58 | missmbob | TomTomTo1: he got dpkg command not found up above ... |
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| 12:26.37 | jaggz | is there a little script which converts perl module names into debian package names? like ExtUtils::ParseXS would be something like libextutils-parsexs-perl (but apparently we don't have that package [in my release]) |
| 12:27.30 | JotaMG | well. I'm testing the X32 port. I want to install openjdk-7-jre, that is not currently available but is available in the snapshot server. the problem is that the url is |
| 12:27.31 | JotaMG | http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian-ports/20170208T003617Z/pool-x32/main/o/openjdk-7/openjdk-7-jre_7u121-2.6.8-2_x32.deb |
| 12:27.33 | JotaMG | that is, it uses "pool-x32", and not just "pool", so my sources.list line for that repo does not retrieve it! |
| 12:27.38 | TomTomTo1 | missmbob: probably copied quotation marks. but who knows. |
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| 12:32.06 | fish-bulb | the libinput is 0.6.0 |
| 12:32.13 | fish-bulb | this is from 2014 |
| 12:32.52 | fish-bulb | I can't scroll properly with this old package. how do I use newer... most things |
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| 12:38.22 | skwi | babilen, Fixed, da hell, wrong date in the bios, what a nasty thing, battery is dead and then bios put the date in 2008 |
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| 12:39.09 | JotaMG | So, how can I make apt to "see" the packages for openjdk-7-jre, that are on snapshot.debian.org?? |
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| 12:40.03 | fish-bulb | can I switch to rolling |
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| 12:40.33 | JotaMG | (and I also have the same problem with other packages) |
| 12:40.34 | JotaMG | why it is called "pool-x32" and not just "pool"?? |
| 12:40.38 | fish-bulb | or can I at least use a newer version of gnome and a newer kernel |
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| 12:45.04 | TomTomTo1 | JotaMG: how does your sources.list entry look? |
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| 12:48.04 | JotaMG | deb [check-valid-until=no] http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian-ports/20170208T003617Z/ unstable main |
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| 12:51.55 | TomTomTo1 | JotaMG: and you get an error on running apt update ? unofficial debian ports have their own pool-x directory. they should find the right one on their own. |
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| 12:56.19 | JotaMG | apt-get update: |
| 12:56.21 | JotaMG | Get:1 http://ftp.ports.debian.org/debian-ports sid InRelease [30.1 kB] |
| 12:56.23 | JotaMG | Get:2 http://ftp.ports.debian.org/debian-ports sid/main all Packages [9,794 kB] |
| 12:56.24 | JotaMG | Get:3 http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian-ports/20170208T003617Z unstable InRelease |
| 12:56.26 | JotaMG | Get:4 http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian-ports/20170208T003617Z unstable/main all Packages [9,814 kB] |
| 12:56.27 | JotaMG | Get:5 http://ftp.ports.debian.org/debian-ports sid/main x32 Packages [23.4 MB] |
| 12:56.29 | JotaMG | Get:6 http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian-ports/20170208T003617Z unstable/main x32 Packages [23.4 MB] |
| 12:56.30 | JotaMG | Fetched 66.5 MB in 27s (2,428 kB/s) |
| 12:56.32 | JotaMG | Reading package lists... Done |
| 12:56.33 | JotaMG | N: Skipping acquire of configured file 'main/binary-amd64/Packages' as repository 'http://ftp.ports.debian.org/debian-ports sid InRelease' doesn't support architecture 'amd64' |
| 12:56.35 | JotaMG | N: Skipping acquire of configured file 'updates/binary-amd64/Packages' as repository 'http://ftp.ports.debian.org/debian-ports sid InRelease' doesn't support architecture 'amd64' |
| 12:56.36 | JotaMG | N: Skipping acquire of configured file 'main/binary-amd64/Packages' as repository 'http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian-ports/20170208T003617Z unstable InRelease' doesn't support architecture 'amd64' |
| 12:56.38 | JotaMG | # aptitude install openjdk-7-jre |
| 12:56.39 | JotaMG | No candidate version found for openjdk-7-jre |
| 12:56.41 | JotaMG | Unable to apply some actions, aborting |
| 12:56.42 | JotaMG | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:56.49 | coruja | !paste |
| 12:56.49 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 12:57.48 | JotaMG | my guess is that maybe apt cannot find the "pool-x32" path?? |
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| 12:58.19 | TomTomTo1 | JotaMG: ah, so the system is natively amd64. try putting [arch=x32] after deb and in front of the url in your sources.list entry. |
| 12:59.05 | TomTomTo1 | JotaMG: no, it just tries to fetch the amd64 path, which doesn't exist in the /debian-ports directory. |
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| 12:59.37 | JotaMG | I think it is native x32 |
| 13:00.06 | TomTomTo1 | then it's a bug. x32 is not an official port, so this can happen. |
| 13:00.36 | JotaMG | # dpkg --print-architecture |
| 13:00.38 | JotaMG | x32 |
| 13:01.10 | JotaMG | Ok, how can I fix that?? |
| 13:01.31 | TomTomTo1 | did you do what i suggested? |
| 13:01.43 | JotaMG | any clues? |
| 13:02.03 | JotaMG | no, a moment please |
| 13:02.08 | jelly | JotaMG: x32 is not a supported arch, it's very very very experimental and incomplete |
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| 13:02.25 | jelly | jdk probably does not build from source at all |
| 13:03.21 | jelly | JotaMG: if you need a working 32bit system or chroot, use "i386" |
| 13:03.48 | jelly | JotaMG: if you really want to tinker with x32, join #debian-x32 channel on irc.oftc.net |
| 13:04.22 | JotaMG | TomTomTo1: what you mean "and in front of the url in your sources.list" ? |
| 13:05.01 | TomTomTo1 | deb [arch=x32, check-valid-until=no] http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian-ports/20170208T003617Z/ unstable main |
| 13:05.14 | JotaMG | did not know about x32 channel, will do that thanks!! |
| 13:05.15 | TomTomTo1 | not sure if the options are comma separated or by spaces. |
| 13:05.49 | jelly | yay, so finally we will have a FOURTH person total interested in x32 |
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| 13:07.17 | TomTomTo1 | oh, it's spaces, so it should be [arch=x32 check-valid-until=no] |
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| 13:12.00 | JotaMG | tried with comma and space, apparently same result: |
| 13:12.00 | JotaMG | # apt-get update |
| 13:12.00 | JotaMG | Hit:1 http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian-ports/20170208T003617Z unstable InRelease |
| 13:12.00 | JotaMG | Hit:2 http://ftp.ports.debian.org/debian-ports sid InRelease |
| 13:12.00 | JotaMG | Reading package lists... Done |
| 13:12.00 | JotaMG | N: Skipping acquire of configured file 'main/binary-amd64/Packages' as repository 'http://ftp.ports.debian.org/debian-ports sid InRelease' doesn't support architecture 'amd64' |
| 13:12.00 | TomTomTo1 | stahp |
| 13:12.00 | JotaMG | N: Skipping acquire of configured file 'updates/binary-amd64/Packages' as repository 'http://ftp.ports.debian.org/debian-ports sid InRelease' doesn't support architecture 'amd64' |
| 13:12.00 | JotaMG | # aptitude install openjdk-7-jre |
| 13:12.00 | JotaMG | No candidate version found for openjdk-7-jre |
| 13:12.00 | JotaMG | Unable to apply some actions, aborting |
| 13:12.00 | TomTomTo1 | don't |
| 13:12.00 | themill | JotaMG: you've already been asked to use paste.debian.net... |
| 13:12.00 | TomTomTo1 | use paste.debian.net if you must, please. |
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| 13:12.00 | JotaMG | how to do that? |
| 13:12.00 | JotaMG | sorry! |
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| 13:14.27 | JotaMG | jelly: I cannot understand why people don't use more x32, because it seems all advantages, or am I missing something? |
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| 13:18.08 | jelly | JotaMG: this ABI is very new and it's a lot easier to just use x86_64 (debian's amd64), even if x32 gives you a bit of performance benefit in some situations |
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| 13:18.32 | jelly | new translates to buggy |
| 13:18.44 | monsterco | how can I restart my server without it going through a disk check? |
| 13:19.02 | monsterco | is there anything I can appened to reboot command? I want it to come back up asap |
| 13:19.56 | Brigo | monsterco, the disks shouldn't be checked at boot time unless there is some issue with them. |
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| 13:21.53 | jelly | monsterco: if you want to avoid regular fsck on ext3-ext4 filesystems, you can use tune2fs to disable them permanently (but then you risk not noticing filesystem corruption ever) |
| 13:22.21 | sobczyk | how are packages with Provides: foo treated when Package: foo exists? |
| 13:22.33 | monsterco | jelly - this is an emergency situation - can I not restart once without? |
| 13:22.42 | sobczyk | is apt install foo install the virtual or real one? |
| 13:23.01 | themill | sobczyk: if nothing is installed yet, the real package is preferred |
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| 13:23.23 | jelly | monsterco: maybe, but I don't remember how |
| 13:23.28 | sobczyk | themill: even if virtual has higher version number? |
| 13:23.33 | JotaMG | I think in this case the problem may be not a bug, but just the way things are arranged in the snapshot server, because for other debian-ports, they use just "pool", not "pool-xxx" |
| 13:23.34 | JotaMG | I will try to help, but my knowledge is very limited. |
| 13:23.36 | JotaMG | Next thing I will try is to compile a kernel for X32. |
| 13:23.46 | monsterco | jelly - i mean is it bad if i restart once without checking file system? |
| 13:24.05 | jelly | JotaMG: the default amd64 kernel works for x32. (and amd64 and i386) |
| 13:24.16 | jelly | monsterco: not really |
| 13:24.44 | JotaMG | I can use a i386 kernel? |
| 13:25.14 | jelly | JotaMG: only the -amd64 flavored one, and those only exist in i386 in jessie, not sid |
| 13:25.38 | JotaMG | Ah ok! |
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| 13:26.27 | NeilHanlon | Brigo: that's not completely true. using tune2fs to change the maximum mount count can trigger or not trigger autofsck |
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| 13:27.04 | monsterco | jelly - what is the command for tune2fs ? |
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| 13:27.27 | Brigo | NeilHanlon, right if you are using ext2, with ext3 that should not be a problem. |
| 13:27.41 | NeilHanlon | yeah |
| 13:27.53 | JotaMG | my current kernel is a amd64, 4.4.6 was the best I can find: |
| 13:27.55 | JotaMG | Linux Myx32Linux 4.4.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.4.6-1 (2016-03-17) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 13:28.02 | NeilHanlon | monsterco: You can *try* `tune2fs -c -1 /dev/<yourdisk>`, but I can't guarantee that'll work |
| 13:28.30 | jelly | monsterco: something like tune2fs -c0 -i0 ... |
| 13:28.48 | Brigo | maybe i should have asking for the monsterco fileystem type. |
| 13:29.06 | jelly | monsterco: google search for "jessie skip autofsck" suggests "touch /fastboot", I have NO idea if that works |
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| 13:30.57 | monsterco | Brigo - our file system is ext4 |
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| 13:31.40 | Brigo | monsterco, why do you think fsck will be run at boot time? |
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| 13:35.10 | NeilHanlon | l |
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| 13:36.30 | ByteStorm | which package do i download to install i3 in my debian?? |
| 13:36.48 | ByteStorm | i3wm maybe |
| 13:36.57 | ByteStorm | let me search it |
| 13:38.05 | zykotick9 | ByteStorm: try "apt-cache search ^i3" |
| 13:39.16 | ByteStorm | ok thts what im doing |
| 13:39.58 | ByteStorm | by the way if i hav gnome and i3 installed in my debian,how and when will i switch between those two |
| 13:40.20 | ByteStorm | i guess i can switch in a tty,but what command do i put?? |
| 13:40.36 | TomTomTo1 | you select it in gdm when you login. |
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| 13:40.58 | ByteStorm | ok |
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| 13:52.30 | fishbulb | how do I use newer packages than 2014 |
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| 13:53.12 | TomTomTo1 | !stable |
| 13:53.12 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, new versions introduced and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Jessie (8.7); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). https://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
| 13:53.43 | TomTomTo1 | if the package is not in backports and you desperately need it, then you have to build from source. |
| 13:53.59 | TomTomTo1 | or see if upstream has a reliable build for jessie. |
| 13:54.03 | fishbulb | ok I don't think backports was added properly |
| 13:54.27 | dannyLopez | Hi. o/ |
| 13:54.47 | fishbulb | I am certain it wasn't, is there an editor that isn't command line? I don't know the keyboard shortcuts for vi |
| 13:55.52 | TomTomTo1 | nano is more beginner friendly than vim. i wouldn't give root permissions to a gui editor. |
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| 13:56.15 | fishbulb | apt-get install nano ? |
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| 13:56.35 | TomTomTo1 | nano should be installed already. |
| 13:57.15 | fishbulb | nano /apt/etc/sources.list ? |
| 13:57.16 | zykotick9 | fishbulb: <sidenote> in the long run, learning vi(m) might not be a bad idea... ymmv |
| 13:57.27 | fishbulb | in the long run yeah |
| 13:57.34 | fishbulb | right now I'm trying to get things to work |
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| 13:57.43 | zykotick9 | fishbulb: i hear ya. |
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| 13:58.13 | TomTomTo1 | the path is /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:58.47 | fishbulb | and I add what to it again please |
| 13:59.26 | TomTomTo1 | https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
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| 14:00.06 | fishbulb | I add it anywhere? |
| 14:00.20 | TomTomTo1 | yes |
| 14:01.39 | fishbulb | writeout then exit? |
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| 14:02.18 | tomcres | fishbulb, If you exit, it will prompt you to save. |
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| 14:02.41 | fishbulb | cool |
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| 14:02.49 | fishbulb | apt-get update |
| 14:03.22 | fishbulb | it did that ok |
| 14:03.37 | fishbulb | I was supposed to get the newer kernel somehow |
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| 14:04.13 | tomcres | OK. You can do that by typing: apt -t backports-jessie install linux-image-amd64 |
| 14:04.48 | TomTomTo1 | also firmware-iwlwifi |
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| 14:07.11 | fishbulb | E: The value 'backports-jessie' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources |
| 14:07.51 | jelly | jessie-backports |
| 14:07.52 | TomTomTo1 | you really just need to follow the instructions and not make a typo. |
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| 14:08.02 | fishbulb | I copy pasted that exact thing |
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| 14:08.08 | TomTomTo1 | no you didn't |
| 14:08.09 | somiaj | jessie-backports is not really designed to be the default release |
| 14:08.09 | tomcres | oops.. sorry, that was my mistake |
| 14:08.14 | jelly | fishbulb: don't listen to random people on irc, read the instructions |
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| 14:08.42 | tomcres | It's only 9 AM here, I'm still waking up :-) |
| 14:08.49 | jelly | !coffee tomcres |
| 14:08.49 | dpkg | decants a fine brew of hippy-blend Colombian for tomcres, courtesy of jelly |
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| 14:11.12 | dgriffi | !tea |
| 14:11.12 | dpkg | hmm... tea is the offical drink of KDE Developers, or not as efficient as koffee, or what makes geiseri want to pea, or part of katie, sanity checks the database, or what biscuits were invented for |
| 14:11.26 | dgriffi | !tea dgriffi |
| 14:11.26 | dpkg | hands dgriffi a nice hot glass of tea with lemon. |
| 14:11.40 | fishbulb | what do I do with the warnings I just got |
| 14:12.04 | ByteStorm | how do i start i3 from my tty? |
| 14:12.08 | fishbulb | from linux 4.8, several changes have been made: blahblahblah |
| 14:12.26 | ByteStorm | fishbulb: paste it to paste.debian.net |
| 14:12.28 | tomcres | fishbulb, read it. If you're done reading, you can hit q |
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| 14:12.56 | fishbulb | I'm torn between strangers advice on irc and what I probably should do |
| 14:13.09 | ByteStorm | fishbulb: follow tomcres |
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| 14:14.01 | benlue | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:14.12 | benlue | any ideas? https://hastebin.com/ubemawilej.coffeescript |
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| 14:15.24 | fishbulb | Package firmware-iwlwifi is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 14:15.32 | Hello71 | !nonfree |
| 14:15.33 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 14:15.47 | fishbulb | so I add nonfree to that jessie backports one |
| 14:15.54 | fishbulb | in sources.list |
| 14:16.12 | tomcres | fishbulb, yes |
| 14:16.20 | fishbulb | it just has main |
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| 14:16.27 | fishbulb | shoudl I put main contrib non-free |
| 14:16.37 | SporkWitch | !non-free sources |
| 14:16.37 | dpkg | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «aptitude update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
| 14:16.53 | tomcres | fishbulb, if you like. that will get you all three categories |
| 14:17.06 | fishbulb | I assume that's what I need |
| 14:17.20 | tomcres | fishbulb, you need at least non-free for the firmware-iwlwifi package |
| 14:17.25 | monsterco | how can I tell the maximum limit of read and write on my HDD? |
| 14:17.39 | monsterco | I am getting bad IO delays |
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| 14:18.36 | Artemis3 | monsterco, iotop. failing drives do that, i have one stored somewhere. |
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| 14:19.15 | fishbulb | the firmware seems to have installed |
| 14:19.29 | fishbulb | do I log out and in again? |
| 14:19.39 | benlue | php-gettext is already the newest version (1.0.12-0.1). |
| 14:19.42 | benlue | :/ |
| 14:19.57 | tomcres | fishbulb, reboot |
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| 14:20.04 | dpkg | ii firmware-iwlwifi 1.5-14.3 missmbob's private porn collection |
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| 14:20.25 | monsterco | Artemis3 - i get IO delays of 6 to 20% but this is a very busy virtualized server |
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| 14:20.39 | monsterco | is that normal? or IO delays should be like no more than 2%? |
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| 14:25.41 | fishbulb | cool, wifi working, kernel up to date. ish. |
| 14:26.05 | fishbulb | now for all the other packages that don't quite do what I need them to |
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| 14:26.49 | fishbulb | can I use arch as a comparison? |
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| 14:27.24 | somiaj | in terms of what? I wouldn't because arch will most likely have newer versions and packages than jessie has. |
| 14:27.58 | fishbulb | can I get the newer versions and packages with debian somehow |
| 14:29.46 | fishbulb | because I think some of them predate this computer, or at least the hardware that's not working like it did |
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| 14:30.45 | somiaj | some things have newer versions in jessie backports. For hardware the kernel now that is backports should be sufficent. What other drivers do you need? |
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| 14:31.13 | somiaj | but some things, such as a DE, you will want to stick with the version in jessie, which may have noticable differences in terms of features/behavior. |
| 14:31.37 | babilen | fishbulb: You could track stretch for the time being .. it'll be released soonish and is a smooth ride by now. Did you read the "Lifecycle of a release" page already? |
| 14:31.52 | fishbulb | gnome has fairly noticable differences |
| 14:32.09 | fishbulb | the trackpoint, as in that little red thing you move around as a mouse, doesn't middle scroll |
| 14:32.17 | fishbulb | with the middle button |
| 14:32.32 | towo` | has nothing to do with old software versions |
| 14:32.33 | somiaj | fishbulb: yup, and that is what you should stick with in jessie. Upgrading to stretch is a possibility, biggest down side is no timely seucirty support until the release, but it is mostly stable. |
| 14:32.35 | fishbulb | the package for that was too out of date according to thinkwiki |
| 14:32.35 | dannyLopez | Hi, I have 2 monitors connecteds, and 1 external video card and 1 internal video card, so, when connect the 2 monitors, only one detects my X, and the other works only when I change to TTYs. How can I do the 2 monitors works at the same time? |
| 14:32.42 | towo` | you have to configure it yourself |
| 14:33.15 | fishbulb | roughly when will stretch be out |
| 14:33.35 | babilen | ~6 months maybe |
| 14:33.39 | fishbulb | it's like I'm switching to debian right at the end of this release |
| 14:33.41 | babilen | Maybe less, maybe more |
| 14:33.43 | fishbulb | ok. |
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| 14:34.34 | babilen | Many people track a testing/unstable mix (cf. /msg dpkg tum), but again: Did you read the "Lifecycle of a release" section? |
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| 14:35.16 | fishbulb | yeah but it's 0135 on saturday and I'm going to bed |
| 14:35.56 | somiaj | running unstable, or testing/unstable may be more like arch, but you will have to deal with many more bugs, so it depends on what you want/need |
| 14:36.16 | somiaj | also I find that testing/unstable seem to have lots more problems than normal right after a release. |
| 14:36.19 | fishbulb | well I'm not changing things right now |
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| 14:36.28 | marioxcc_ | Hello |
| 14:36.30 | fishbulb | I'll stick with this until I know exactly what I need to change |
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| 14:36.42 | fishbulb | if I'm gonna run debian I should do it properly |
| 14:36.53 | babilen | Get used to Debian first, but keep in mind that it is an option. Come back and ask for best practices (and read https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable - /msg dpkg ssm) |
| 14:37.38 | marioxcc_ | I need to make a small website (a few static pages) for a fundraiser. I do not have any experience in web development, although I am familiar with the basics of system administration (setting up Nginx, etc.). What software do you recomment to create the web site?. It must be quick to learn because we do not have much time for the fundraiser. |
| 14:37.55 | babilen | There is no "properly" .. there are ways that suits your needs and then there are many that don't. Surely tracking stable is, well, not a problem in and of itself |
| 14:37.55 | somiaj | fishbulb: I run stable on my work machines and testing/unstable on my home desktop, but mostly because I can deal with my desktop breaking more than my work machines. |
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| 14:38.13 | fishbulb | I never really had anything break with arch |
| 14:38.35 | fishbulb | that was probably just a year or so down the fucking drain though |
| 14:38.42 | babilen | No bugs ever? |
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| 14:39.11 | somiaj | marioxcc_: I personally prefer static websites over say ones generated by php and the likes. AFter that it is a matter of writting the code. Markdown is nice, but requires a little css to get the generated webpages to look well. |
| 14:39.16 | fishbulb | I don't really remember any that broke the hell out of something |
| 14:39.26 | fishbulb | if there were any I think they were just rolled back |
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| 14:40.40 | fishbulb | "the arch way" is insufferable, it looks better to use stable most stuff, and then upgrade what's necessary, plus the installer is basically perfect |
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| 14:42.12 | marioxcc_ | somiaj: Normally I would prefer a static website too, but right now, only ease of making matter. Performance isn't important because we won't get many visitors. What do you suggest?. |
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| 14:43.45 | fishbulb | does conky use up many resources |
| 14:43.53 | fishbulb | I'd like to get a better system monitor running |
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| 14:45.41 | fishbulb | and the numix icons, where are those? |
| 14:46.10 | lux_ATOM | fishbulb apt-get gkrellm |
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| 14:46.19 | lux_ATOM | for monitoring |
| 14:47.00 | lux_ATOM | i use conky on my atom netbook with a gig of ram and its not so bad |
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| 15:02.14 | marioxcc_ | Hello. I need to make a simple website for a crowdfunding campaign. What CMS (or similar) would be the easiest to use for somebody with no web developing experience (like myself)?. |
| 15:02.44 | fishbulb | the numix icon theme is in SID |
| 15:03.06 | jhutchins_ | marioxcc_: If you're going to be taking payments you're going to need someone who knows what they're doing or a service that offers commerce sites. |
| 15:03.19 | fishbulb | can I download just that package? |
| 15:03.42 | marioxcc_ | jhutchins: No, I won't take payments in the web site. I will just adverstise a bank account and Bitcoin address for donations. |
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| 15:10.37 | sIRwa2 | hi, can i move my boot drive to a different sata port without problem? |
| 15:10.49 | TomTomTo1 | marioxcc_: a website builder like https://www.squarespace.com/ would be the easiest if you don't have web dev experience. |
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| 15:13.32 | marioxcc_ | TomTomTo1: Well, I am familiar with the backed part (Nginx, PHP, MySQL), but not with the frontend part (writing CSS, JavaScript, etc.). |
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| 15:14.46 | TomTomTo1 | there are a few WYSIWYG editors, never used them, though. |
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| 15:15.32 | marioxcc_ | Ok. |
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| 15:27.56 | somiaj | marioxcc_: markdown is a quick way to make static pages. jekyll+kramdown is failry popular these days (what github uses) wordpress isn't to bad either. |
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| 15:28.47 | somiaj | marioxcc_: oh you need to have a shoping cart, yea look into wordpress, it has addons for such things |
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| 15:29.42 | jhutchins_ | TomTomTo1: If you want to use a CMS, WordPress is probably the simplest to administer. |
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| 15:30.07 | TomTomTo1 | I don't. |
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| 15:36.13 | sIRwa2 | can you hot plug pci-e in debian? |
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| 15:41.18 | pierrot | I have these visualisation errors on Eclipse running Debian Jessie: http://i.imgur.com/s5vAbZ3.png |
| 15:41.33 | pierrot | Any clues about what might be causing this? |
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| 15:42.27 | fishbulb | I tried to use MPV to open a video, it crashed twice then it prompted me to log out |
| 15:42.49 | dontknow | fishbulb, are you on gnome? |
| 15:42.53 | fishbulb | yup |
| 15:43.02 | dontknow | intel gpu? |
| 15:43.05 | fishbulb | yes |
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| 15:43.28 | dontknow | it is a known bug. you have to enable sna acceleration to get rid of that bug |
| 15:43.37 | fishbulb | where do I do that? |
| 15:43.46 | dontknow | wait |
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| 15:44.39 | at0m | in mpv.conf, vo=sna ? |
| 15:45.28 | fishbulb | where is that located |
| 15:45.55 | at0m | you'd create it in .mpv/ |
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| 15:46.03 | at0m | man mpv |
| 15:46.15 | dontknow | fishbulb, https://paste.debian.net/915138/ |
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| 15:46.51 | dontknow | after that log out and log in |
| 15:47.27 | fishbulb | I make that file, put only those lines in it? |
| 15:47.32 | dontknow | yes |
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| 15:48.57 | dontknow | at0m, vo is video output. you can make it sna |
| 15:49.03 | dontknow | can't* |
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| 15:50.13 | fishbulb | crap, I just went nano (that file) and it won't write |
| 15:50.37 | dontknow | what do you mean? |
| 15:51.01 | dontknow | you can't edit it with nano? |
| 15:51.19 | fishbulb | rm to create a file? |
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| 15:52.06 | dontknow | just do that; "sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf" after that paste what i sent. and after that ctrl+x and say yes |
| 15:52.24 | fishbulb | I did and it says file does not exist |
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| 15:53.03 | dontknow | that command also creates the file |
| 15:54.04 | fishbulb | it says the file or directory doesn't exist |
| 15:54.18 | fishbulb | no such file or directory |
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| 15:54.24 | fishbulb | it won't write for some reason even in root |
| 15:54.33 | dontknow | oh sorry. you should first create "xorg.conf.d" folder |
| 15:54.57 | fishbulb | ah cool |
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| 15:55.55 | fishbulb | er. how |
| 15:56.46 | dontknow | mkdir xorg.conf.d |
| 15:56.52 | tw | sudo mkdir -p -m 755 /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d |
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| 15:58.13 | fishbulb | then I have to log out and in? |
| 15:58.27 | dontknow | did you create conf file? |
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| 15:58.31 | dontknow | if so yes |
| 15:58.42 | fishbulb | ok I'll try that, thanks |
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| 15:59.38 | dontknow | fishbulb, wait a sec. what is your cpu model? |
| 16:00.11 | fishbulb | logging out and in didn't work anyway |
| 16:00.16 | fishbulb | um it's an i5 |
| 16:00.40 | fishbulb | hd3000 integrated intel |
| 16:00.50 | fishbulb | it's the mobile version too I'm pretty sure |
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| 16:01.22 | dontknow | fishbulb, it is not support sna accel. maybe |
| 16:01.29 | dontknow | i have hd4000 |
| 16:01.36 | dontknow | 3rd gen |
| 16:01.49 | dontknow | it looks like yours is 2nd gen. |
| 16:02.09 | fishbulb | there are two possible i5 cpus |
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| 16:02.41 | fishbulb | MPV worked perfectly in arch |
| 16:02.52 | fishbulb | it's the only player that does work perfectly :/ |
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| 16:03.26 | dontknow | you can install xfce or other desktop env. it only happens in gnome |
| 16:03.39 | fishbulb | does it happen in all versions of gnome? |
| 16:03.52 | fishbulb | I don't like any other ones. I hate gnome the least |
| 16:03.53 | dontknow | i don't know |
| 16:04.38 | fishbulb | where does it say it won't work? |
| 16:05.36 | dontknow | fishbulb, send me the output. cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep SNA |
| 16:06.14 | fishbulb | where did that output even go |
| 16:06.28 | dontknow | what? |
| 16:06.41 | fishbulb | I typed that and nothing appeared to happen |
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| 16:06.57 | fishbulb | I haven't rebooted yet |
| 16:07.19 | dontknow | fishbulb, cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep uax |
| 16:07.25 | dontknow | what does it say_ |
| 16:07.47 | fishbulb | sorry I'll be back in a few minutes |
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| 16:09.51 | Hello71 | probably won't have uax in it |
| 16:10.02 | Hello71 | !uuoc |
| 16:10.02 | dpkg | UUOC is the Useless Use of Cat Award. Given out for years by Randal Schwartz on the newsgroup comp.unix.shell. Basically, most constructions that look like "cat filename | grep pattern" can be more easily written as "grep pattern filename". Works for grep and most other Unix utilities. Easier to type and marginally more efficient. |
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| 16:10.27 | NapoleonWils0n | hi all |
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| 16:10.54 | NapoleonWils0n | i have created a systemd user service, and run sudo loginctl enable-linger <username> |
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| 16:11.29 | NapoleonWils0n | when i run systemctl --user start emacs.service, i get failed to start service service not found |
| 16:11.56 | NapoleonWils0n | i have the service file in ~/.config/systemd/ |
| 16:12.17 | NapoleonWils0n | and also added WantedBy=default.target |
| 16:12.37 | centrx | there's an emacs service? |
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| 16:13.01 | at0m | centrx: NapoleonWils0n created one/ |
| 16:13.13 | NapoleonWils0n | centrx its a service file i created and use on Arch and have use on debian before |
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| 16:13.49 | grift | its ~/.config/systemd/user/ |
| 16:14.06 | NapoleonWils0n | grift yes thats what i meant my bad |
| 16:14.11 | centrx | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsKvlLnIJPg |
| 16:14.21 | NapoleonWils0n | ah, face palm my bad |
| 16:14.54 | NapoleonWils0n | cheers grift thats the issue, blonde moment |
| 16:16.02 | NapoleonWils0n | i see debian disables all extensions on chromium, thought it was an april fools |
| 16:16.38 | dontknow | NapoleonWils0n, extensions or plugins? |
| 16:16.52 | NapoleonWils0n | extenions from the chrome store |
| 16:17.13 | NapoleonWils0n | have to add this to your ~/.bashrc |
| 16:17.15 | NapoleonWils0n | export CHROMIUM_FLAGS=$CHROMIUM_FLAGS" --enable-remote-extensions" |
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| 16:17.32 | NapoleonWils0n | otherwise you get an error on the chrome store and it wont install extensions |
| 16:18.00 | fishbulb | what was I supposed to do? |
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| 16:18.15 | BluesKaj | NapoleonWils0n, you're not just politically incorrect,you're not bad just mistakem , |
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| 16:19.07 | fishbulb | dontknow, what were you asking that I do? |
| 16:19.14 | fishbulb | MPV won't play video |
| 16:19.42 | dontknow | fishbulb, cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep uax |
| 16:20.07 | fishbulb | where was that output supposed to go |
| 16:20.21 | dontknow | does it show anything? |
| 16:20.25 | fishbulb | no |
| 16:20.33 | dontknow | also try that cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep UAX |
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| 16:21.05 | NapoleonWils0n | BluesKaj what are you on about, chromium on sid has remote extensions enable by default, check the changelog |
| 16:21.05 | fishbulb | what's supposed to be happening |
| 16:21.06 | NapoleonWils0n | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=852398 |
| 16:21.07 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/852398 in chromium (open): «chromium: option --enable-remote-extensions does work: extensions cannot be enabled nor be installed»; severity: important; opened: 2017-01-24; last modified: 2017-02-09. |
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| 16:21.19 | dontknow | fishbulb, does it show anything |
| 16:21.27 | fishbulb | no I'd tell you if it did |
| 16:21.48 | dontknow | does mpv crash as soon as make it full screen? |
| 16:21.54 | towo` | it would never show anything |
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| 16:22.03 | BluesKaj | NapoleonWils0n, not about chrome, it was your "blonde" comment |
| 16:22.07 | NapoleonWils0n | vdpau or vaapi |
| 16:22.07 | towo` | the grep has to be grep -i uxa |
| 16:22.49 | fishbulb | nobody gives a fuck about a blonde comment |
| 16:23.27 | fishbulb | how do you know he or she doesn't have blonde hair like I and many other people do |
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| 16:23.59 | BluesKaj | fishbulb,you don't speak for "everyone" and watch the language |
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| 16:24.36 | nyws | hey guys, anyone got issues upgrading jessie to stretch ? (dist-upgrade won't start, kde lib are lessing around) |
| 16:24.44 | fishbulb | towo`, do you know the bug with mpv and intel hd3000, that's what dontknow is trying to help with |
| 16:24.48 | nyws | s/lessing/messing |
| 16:25.08 | towo` | i never heared of such bug |
| 16:25.24 | towo` | and as long i have not seen your x-log, i will not say anything |
| 16:25.27 | NapoleonWils0n | fixed systemd user service |
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| 16:26.07 | dontknow | fishbulb, does mpv crashes as soon as you make it full screen? |
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| 16:26.40 | BluesKaj | nyws, recommend the net install and avoid the gui ,...smooth as silk |
| 16:26.50 | dontknow | towo`, i wa suffering because of that bug |
| 16:27.06 | fishbulb | dontknow, yeah I just tried it, seems to work fine until it goes fullscreen |
| 16:27.07 | nyws | net install and upgrading ? |
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| 16:27.48 | dontknow | fishbulb, because default acceleration is uxa |
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| 16:28.00 | fishbulb | I made that file |
| 16:28.04 | fishbulb | I'll try rebooting |
| 16:28.15 | fishbulb | you're sure that file has what it needs? |
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| 16:28.47 | dontknow | Section "Device" |
| 16:28.47 | dontknow | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:28.47 | dontknow | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:28.47 | dontknow | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:28.47 | dontknow | EndSection |
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| 16:29.13 | dontknow | lol |
| 16:29.27 | fishbulb | hah, I'll reboot, and try it again |
| 16:29.57 | dontknow | i want kde plasma |
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| 16:30.36 | NapoleonWils0n | dontknow have you ever tried i3wm |
| 16:30.38 | NapoleonWils0n | https://i3wm.org/ |
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| 16:31.11 | dontknow | no way. i use mause heavily |
| 16:31.18 | NapoleonWils0n | once you use i3 you cant swicth back to a regular desktop |
| 16:32.00 | dontknow | also it looks like a hacker computer right :D |
| 16:32.10 | dontknow | some sort of pickup line |
| 16:32.28 | NapoleonWils0n | and ranger for the file manager |
| 16:32.29 | NapoleonWils0n | http://ranger.nongnu.org/ |
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| 16:32.52 | dontknow | lol no way |
| 16:33.05 | dontknow | we live in modern era |
| 16:33.20 | iflema | NapoleonWils0n: mocp |
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| 16:33.40 | fishbulb | dontknow, perfect! it works now |
| 16:33.47 | fishbulb | cheers |
| 16:33.48 | dontknow | :D |
| 16:34.15 | NapoleonWils0n | fishbulb do you use Kodi |
| 16:34.30 | NapoleonWils0n | you can set Kodi up with mpv as an external player |
| 16:34.49 | fishbulb | external on what? |
| 16:35.04 | BluesKaj | is is for geekflu types, I like the old DE for my HTPC, it's a basic requirement |
| 16:35.18 | NapoleonWils0n | so you can use mpv to play videos from kodi instead of kodi's built in player |
| 16:35.22 | BluesKaj | i3 even :-) |
| 16:35.44 | BluesKaj | I use both |
| 16:35.55 | fishbulb | I haven't tried kodi but that sounds good, most players don't work well in linux |
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| 16:36.09 | dontknow | kodi is a media player center i guess |
| 16:36.15 | NapoleonWils0n | i have some bash scripts that can record from kodi and use mpv, ffplay and vlc as external players |
| 16:36.17 | NapoleonWils0n | https://github.com/NapoleonWils0n/kodi-playercorefactory |
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| 16:36.42 | NapoleonWils0n | youtbe videos about record and streaming from kodi |
| 16:36.44 | NapoleonWils0n | https://www.youtube.com/user/NapoleonWils0n |
| 16:36.50 | BluesKaj | kodi works very well if set up to fit your hardware on baord and connected |
| 16:37.23 | ElDiabolo | What is i3? |
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| 16:37.38 | NapoleonWils0n | i3 is a tiling window manager |
| 16:37.41 | fishbulb | I was thinking about it but I don't have a TV, mostly watch videos on a laptop or external monitor |
| 16:37.49 | NapoleonWils0n | https://i3wm.org/ |
| 16:38.20 | NapoleonWils0n | fishbulb you can schedule recording with my scripts and the at command |
| 16:39.01 | NapoleonWils0n | or you can just use ffmpeg with the at command to schedule recordings |
| 16:40.34 | dontknow | NapoleonWils0n, you use it as youtube video recording? |
| 16:41.40 | NapoleonWils0n | the scripts work with urls from kodi or other sources, and they will record videos hosted on google |
| 16:42.12 | dontknow | you can download youtube videos with youtube-dl |
| 16:42.15 | NapoleonWils0n | you can also use aria2 as an external downloader with youtube-dl to speed up downloads |
| 16:43.24 | NapoleonWils0n | heres a script that use aria2 as an external downloader for youtube-dl |
| 16:43.26 | NapoleonWils0n | https://github.com/NapoleonWils0n/kodi-playercorefactory/blob/master/bash-scripts/rip-ytdl |
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| 16:44.14 | dontknow | it revived my headache |
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| 16:48.18 | NapoleonWils0n | got mpd set up, had to sudo systemctl disable mpd |
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| 17:48.55 | velix | There have been some mathematic approxiations, when next Debian will be released. Are there any approximations for Debian 9 ? |
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| 17:59.48 | jhutchins_ | velix: When release critical bugs = 0. |
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| 18:00.09 | velix | jhutchins_: yeah, there have been some regression graphs in the past. |
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| 18:01.07 | jhutchins_ | In my experience with Linux, mplayer (now mpv) has always just worked. VLC is a newer project, but from what I've heard it's always worked. Pretty much every other video player has one major functionality hole or another. |
| 18:01.46 | velix | I like trains. |
| 18:01.49 | velix | eeeh I like ffmpeg |
| 18:02.10 | somiaj | I've seen issues here where vlc fails to play a video then mplayer or now mplayer2 or mpv in jessie, but in stretch you have mplayer or mpv (they can't make up their mind which fork to use) works |
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| 18:15.26 | jhutchins_ | I did some research and concluded that mpv is the most actively developed and functional branch. |
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| 18:19.25 | centrx | jhutchins_: Yes, true |
| 18:19.44 | centrx | jhutchins_: Though mplayer has returned to active / version in next Debian is up to date |
| 18:19.52 | centrx | jhutchins_: mplayer2 is dead |
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| 18:20.11 | centrx | VLC good though. I use that on Windows |
| 18:21.41 | tw | mpv definitely has the most user features. Like mouse support in the OSD. |
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| 18:42.50 | raynold | yoooo sup debians |
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| 18:51.00 | somiaj | jhutchins: my only problem with mpv (which I have installed now is I have to type each command twice to get it to work, I first type mplayer file, then after the error I type mpv file -- they should use alternatives for this) |
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| 18:52.18 | Diogenes_ | Good evening. |
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| 18:52.57 | Diogenes_ | I'm trying to install EPSON's iscan-bundle in order to use my scanner. |
| 18:53.26 | Diogenes_ | During installation it fails when trying to install "sane-utils" |
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| 18:54.21 | Diogenes_ | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/04eefa4b/ |
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| 18:54.48 | raynold | thats rough |
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| 18:55.15 | Diogenes_ | Though. :( |
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| 18:55.47 | Diogenes_ | I don't think I wrote that correctly, but anyway. XD |
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| 18:56.33 | raynold | carbed wire |
| 18:58.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | somiaj, I use both⦠well, mostly still mplayerâ¦.. definitely mplayre1 and mplayer2 ⦠so I don't think one should hijack the other, although they are all from the same oritinal source |
| 18:58.02 | Diogenes_ | What was that? |
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| 19:04.43 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 19:05.00 | leetcool | @johnfg, hi |
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| 19:07.36 | MaxLanar | Hello, I need to debug a program running as a service (mpd). I stop it with 'systemctl stop mpd' (and can confirm it is stopped with 'ps -Af |grep mpd') but when I run the program manually (with '/usr/bin/mpd --stdout --no-daemon --verbose') it complain it can't run because of that error 'socket: Failed to bind to '192.168.0.14:6600': Address already in use'. Indeed, 'lsof -itcp:6600 -stcp:listen' informs me that systemd is still |
| 19:07.36 | MaxLanar | listening on that address. This tells me I must not understand how starting/stopping services with systemd really works... |
| 19:08.32 | MaxLanar | How can I terminate "properly" mdp and make systemd not listen to that address anymore, so that I can run mpd manually ? |
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| 19:10.04 | bub_ | systemctl disable mpd .. reboot.. hehe.. a bit harsh, but should work |
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| 19:15.24 | MaxLanar | bub_ : naaa I can't do that ! :o ( https://xkcd.com/1328/ ) |
| 19:15.41 | MaxLanar | :) |
| 19:15.50 | MaxLanar | Seriously, that's the only way ? |
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| 19:18.02 | MaxLanar | bub_: Here is the trick : 'systemctl stop mpd.socket' |
| 19:18.10 | MaxLanar | (from mpd room) |
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| 19:19.13 | bub_ | hehe, that was more elegant.. |
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| 19:23.16 | turlutton | Hey there, I'm looking for a way to load a plugin only for c,cpp , and I'm using pathogen . I have tried pathogen#interpose or pathogen#surround as suggested here https://vi.stackexchange.com/questions/6958/how-to-conditionally-load-plugins , but it doesn't seems to work (here is my vimrc https://paste.debian.net/915181/ ) . I'm looking either to debug this, or to find another solution (reading pathogen.vim , I've seen a g:pathogen_disabled var |
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| 19:25.30 | turlutton | Oh sry, wrong channel |
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| 19:43.31 | BCMM | i'm trying to install debian alongside an existing windows install. graphical installation seemed to go fine, but at the end when it asked to install the bootloader, it didn't detect windows and only offered to install grub on the MBR. it's a gpt disk and uefi install of windows, so i was hoping to install a uefi bootloader |
| 19:44.08 | BCMM | i just told it to skip the bootloader. is there something i can run, after chrooting the system, to install efi grub "properly"? |
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| 19:46.52 | BCMM | a thought: did this happen because i accidentally booted the dvd in BIOS mode? |
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| 19:47.17 | BCMM | (i thought i booted it in efi mode but could be wrong) |
| 19:47.18 | Vizva | BCMM you can change in bios always too |
| 19:47.47 | Vizva | load windows in uefi or load debian in bios mode |
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| 19:48.02 | Vizva | but you need to install grub |
| 19:48.27 | Vizva | if the uefi only didnt work for you |
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| 19:49.08 | BCMM | Vizva: it didn't offer me uefi grub, unless i'm missing something |
| 19:49.14 | Kniaz | hi. is Debian 8.0 the the latest available for raspberry pi? http://www.apaste.info/Mreqc |
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| 19:49.35 | Vizva | you dont need uefi in bios mode |
| 19:49.50 | BCMM | i know, but i'm trying to use uefi mode |
| 19:49.56 | mpalumbo | BCMM: does yoru BOIS have a "Legacy" setting? |
| 19:50.07 | Vizva | change on start to ueifi or to bios and boot whst there |
| 19:50.21 | BCMM | mpalumbo: to disable MBR boot? yes |
| 19:50.22 | Vizva | legacy is bios mode if you want to call it like that |
| 19:50.36 | BCMM | Vizva: i would really much rather choose from a bootloader menu thanks |
| 19:50.36 | Vizva | have to go |
| 19:50.50 | Vizva | yes thats a good idea |
| 19:51.01 | Vizva | i dont start windows in a month |
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| 19:51.09 | Vizva | so i do it the other way |
| 19:51.29 | BCMM | i think i will try chrooting and installing grub-efi myself |
| 19:52.13 | BCMM | does update-grub automatically detect other OSs? |
| 19:52.27 | mpalumbo | BCMM: it's not hard to do that way, i had to do that for Pentoo because the install boinked on me and did not install grub for some reason |
| 19:52.47 | mpalumbo | BCMM: normally,it has issues with FreeBSD i have found |
| 19:53.02 | BCMM | mpalumbo: yeah i've chrooted to fix the bootloader on gentoo before. just never with debian or efi |
| 19:53.11 | mpalumbo | BCMM: but if your other OS is Win, then you should be fine |
| 19:53.26 | mpalumbo | BCMM: if you have done it on Gentoo, you should be fine :) |
| 19:53.30 | BCMM | i don't want to accidentally do things the wrong way such that it stops working when grub updates or something |
| 19:53.54 | BCMM | well, rebooting. be back if it doesn't work :) |
| 19:53.55 | mpalumbo | BCMM: once grub is there, as long as you install it correctly,it should work just fine |
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| 20:12.30 | johnfg | I've got a program |
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| 20:14.12 | parshimers | anyone having SSL issues on chromium 56.0.2924.76 as well? |
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| 20:19.56 | BCMM | so, mixed results |
| 20:20.09 | BCMM | debian boots now, but windows doesn't |
| 20:20.32 | bub_ | what happens with windows? |
| 20:21.14 | BCMM | bub_: i don't have an option to boot windows, as far as i can see |
| 20:21.21 | bub_ | did you run grub-update? |
| 20:21.28 | BCMM | bub_, yes |
| 20:21.34 | BCMM | it's a uefi system by the way |
| 20:21.53 | BCMM | hang on, did you mean update-grub? |
| 20:22.14 | BCMM | i just ran update-grub again and it found windows this time |
| 20:22.20 | BCMM | something must have confused it when i was in the chroot |
| 20:22.28 | BCMM | brb rebooting. sorry for the flood. |
| 20:22.33 | bub_ | gl |
| 20:22.36 | BCMM | thx |
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| 20:25.06 | BCMM | thanks to all; working now |
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| 20:55.08 | DrBunsen | Hello, I just upgraded to debian stretch because it entered it's full freeze stage. Everything is working but wine. I do get "failed to find a suitable display device" whenever I try to launch WoW. Is there anyone who knows his way around wine? |
| 20:59.13 | nkuttler | !tell DrBunsen about debian-next |
| 21:00.11 | DrBunsen | nkuttler: thanks |
| 21:00.16 | jelly | DrBunsen, people in #winehq do |
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| 21:02.04 | dax | probably because you don't have 32-bit graphics stack stuff installed |
| 21:02.47 | DrBunsen | dax: I had multiarch installed before I upgraded |
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| 21:05.18 | Plushwolf | Thunderbird is back in Debian? If yes ... YAY! |
| 21:06.31 | nkuttler | it was never gone. just rebranded |
| 21:07.01 | DrBunsen | wans't it called icedove? |
| 21:07.01 | Plushwolf | Oh, what's its package name? |
| 21:07.12 | Plushwolf | I an only find idedove |
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| 21:07.16 | Plushwolf | *can |
| 21:07.28 | nkuttler | !thunderbird |
| 21:07.28 | dpkg | Icedove is a DFSG-free fork of Mozilla Thunderbird, a cross-platform email client, replacing Thunderbird in Debian as of 5.0 "Lenny". Debian is unable to distribute Mozilla Thunderbird as-is due to trademark restrictions, see <why icedove>. Since July 2013, Icedove in Debian <stable> is based on the Extended Support Release (ESR) branch. For help with upstream issues, ask #thunderbird on irc.mozilla.org. http://wiki.debian.org/Icedove |
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| 21:08.04 | Plushwolf | Well, I have read that Debian is now allowed to use the Thunderbird name ... weird |
| 21:09.10 | DrBunsen | It has something to do with mozilla promising they won't pursue people who use their names |
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| 21:31.22 | somiaj | Plushwolf: thunderbird isn't offical under the mozilla umbrella anymore I belive, it is an independent set of volunteers who are keeping it going. |
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| 21:33.01 | missmbob | life support is a good term |
| 21:33.16 | dontknow | yes. mozilla doesn't develop it anymore |
| 21:33.33 | Plushwolf | So Thunderbird is partially dead? |
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| 21:33.41 | dontknow | yes |
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| 21:33.59 | missmbob | mostly |
| 21:34.06 | Plushwolf | Oh ok |
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| 21:34.23 | Plushwolf | Thank you for letting me know |
| 21:34.51 | Plushwolf | Is there a other email client that you can recommend me? |
| 21:35.07 | missmbob | geary is good. of course there's evolution |
| 21:35.49 | Plushwolf | geary looks like MS Outlook o_O |
| 21:35.56 | n4dir | claws-mail |
| 21:36.26 | somiaj | Plushwolf: it isn't being acitivally developed by mozilla, but it is being matained by volunetters and part of this is new features slowly get added. I would say if it works for your needs it is okay |
| 21:36.41 | somiaj | Plushwolf: so dead is depending on if you think that is dead or not. |
| 21:37.05 | somiaj | Plushwolf: there is mutt as well, though lots of places just use some webased client, I find that far easier to use |
| 21:37.16 | missmbob | SoC is the only real new thunderbird code i've seen |
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| 21:37.57 | Plushwolf | Yes, I also like webclients more, but logging in daily is a bit annoying :P |
| 21:38.27 | missmbob | Plushwolf: then see https://thomas101.github.io/wmail/ |
| 21:38.48 | Plushwolf | looks like gmail |
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| 21:46.11 | SuperTramp83 | claws-mail |
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| 21:49.54 | mearon | hi. I just installed Debian 8 (stable), and when I run 'journalctl --list-boots', only the current one is shown |
| 21:50.09 | mearon | I already put 'Storage=persistent' into /etc/systemd/journald.conf |
| 21:50.16 | mearon | and rebooted several times |
| 21:50.30 | mearon | I also created /var/log/journal |
| 21:51.07 | mearon | also, und /var/log/journal there are already a few sub-folders, with files named 'systemd.journal' and 'user-1000.journal' in them |
| 21:51.24 | mearon | I guess these are the boot logs I'm looking for? |
| 21:51.41 | mearon | but, journalctl --list-boots only shows the current one. |
| 21:51.54 | mearon | has anyone here experienced the same, and maybe knows how to fix that? |
| 21:52.36 | mearon | oh, I have an encrypted setup by the way, I have LVM on LUKS on GPT |
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| 21:54.04 | somiaj | mearon: the logs are being saved corectly in /var/log/journal? journalctl just isn't automatically reading them? |
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| 21:55.29 | mearon | somiaj: ah, I've done some further investigation now, and I think logs are *not* saved correctly in /var/log/journal |
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| 21:55.54 | mearon | in fact, there seems to be no single log |
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| 21:56.00 | somiaj | I haven't tried this, but seems like you are on the right track. /var/log/journal contains the correct permissions? |
| 21:56.40 | somiaj | mearon: I found a stackexchange answer that suggests looking at journalctl --merge |
| 21:56.53 | mearon | somiaj: do you have a link? |
| 21:56.59 | somiaj | http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/191313/why-is-my-systemd-journal-not-persistent-across-reboots |
| 21:57.00 | mearon | I'll check out --merge |
| 21:57.03 | mearon | thx :) |
| 21:57.46 | mearon | this is the output of tree: http://termbin.com/wbl8 |
| 21:57.55 | mearon | (in /var/log/messages) |
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| 21:58.18 | mearon | permissions: http://termbin.com/yuox |
| 21:58.38 | mearon | now reading the link |
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| 21:59.17 | marioxcc_ | Hello. How can I restore Firefox saved passwords from a backup?. I am following https://support.mozilla.org/t5/Install-and-Update/Recovering-important-data-from-an-old-profile/ta-p/1007. I copied key3.db, but there is no "logins.json" |
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| 22:00.58 | mearon | somiaj: seems that --merge did the trick. so it seems that my machine-id changes every reboot. this is a Thinkpad running coreboot btw, so it might be related to that. |
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| 22:01.33 | mearon | somiaj: thx, I'm one step further now :) |
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| 22:04.39 | styks1987 | if I run find on a mounted volumn it takes 9 seconds to run but only takes 1 second locally (searching through around 100k folders). the mounted volumn is mounted inside a virtual box so the connection should be extremely fast. I could understand some slowdown but 9 seconds seems way too long |
| 22:04.53 | greycat | What kind of "mounted"? NFS? |
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| 22:05.08 | styks1987 | afp |
| 22:05.40 | styks1987 | host and guest are osx |
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| 22:06.56 | styks1987 | The real world systems are debian |
| 22:07.03 | styks1987 | but I didnât have that running |
| 22:07.13 | styks1987 | Iâm just recreating the issue |
| 22:07.18 | `Kevin | X items * (network RTT+afp overhead) |
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| 22:07.29 | `Kevin | you still stat every file/folder |
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| 22:07.57 | `Kevin | you have 100k+ things? |
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| 22:08.20 | `Kevin | (folders/files) |
| 22:08.23 | styks1987 | around 50k folders/subfolders with things inside. I am type d |
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| 22:08.33 | styks1987 | probably closer to 300k of things |
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| 22:10.43 | `Kevin | look at strace, are you hitting each individual item ? im guessing so (not sure about cache regarding afp) |
| 22:10.59 | SuperTramp83 | marioxcc, looks like a question better asked in #firefox or #firefox-unregistered |
| 22:11.10 | `Kevin | just regarding network round trip time .. if its gigE and local estimate 0.19 ms |
| 22:11.18 | `Kevin | ((300,000*0.19)/1000) = 57 seconds |
| 22:11.27 | `Kevin | not including all of the other factors |
| 22:11.29 | marioxcc | SuperTramp83: I asked in #firefox too. |
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| 22:12.26 | styks1987 | `Kevin: ok, I am using find . -type d -name *46000. Any way I could filter the things before trying to find them? LIke only files with numbers in them? Or would exact matching be faster? |
| 22:12.28 | `Kevin | styks1987: locally you have filesystem cache that is likely speeding things up tremendously in comparison + no network traversal |
| 22:12.42 | styks1987 | ok very helpful to know |
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| 22:12.57 | mearon | somiaj: yeaw, it works now :) |
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| 22:13.43 | mearon | somiaj: I set up a persistent machine ID. I just did 'umount /etc/machine-id' and then ran 'systemd-machine-id-setup' |
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| 22:13.50 | mearon | somiaj: thanks again :) |
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| 22:14.41 | `Kevin | styks1987: -name will not change anything, only depth related settings perhaps (maybe type) as you will still be using stat on everything |
| 22:14.53 | `Kevin | styks1987: look at what find is doing via strace |
| 22:14.59 | styks1987 | super thanks |
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| 22:38.39 | curatox | hey. is this the right place for a debian newbie to seek some advice and help? |
| 22:38.56 | mtn | curatox, yes |
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| 22:40.37 | curatox | nice. so, i just did a debian 8 install going for a fully encrypted lvm drive. it was the third hard drive of my laptop. when asking where to install grub, i decided to go for the encrypted drive i just installed debian on. now i am stuck with no boot option when selecting to bot from that drive. |
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| 22:41.27 | curatox | anyone got any good advice how to fix that? my plan was to keep grub off the MBR of my windows system which is installed on my first drive, thus the decision to install grub onto the third drive with the encrypted debian on. |
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| 22:41.48 | mtn | curatox, mbr or uefi boot? |
| 22:41.54 | curatox | mbr |
| 22:42.11 | mtn | curatox, and you installed grub to sdc? |
| 22:42.46 | curatox | mtn, yes, i installed grub onto sdc, my encrypted new debian system. |
| 22:43.04 | mtn | curatox, to sdc, not sdc1 or similar? |
| 22:43.59 | curatox | mtn, just sdc... guess i should have gone for the /boot partition? when being prompt by the installer i just selected sdc. |
| 22:44.35 | mtn | curatox, no, mbr should have grub go to the mbr of the drive. and when you try to boot sdc, you get nothing? |
| 22:44.54 | missmbob | you need to change boot order in your bios to go to that drive |
| 22:45.42 | curatox | mtn, i get nothing. i checked the bios. when booting sda i can boot into my windows as before and as i wanted. when booting sdc i get nothing (blinking cursor). |
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| 22:46.37 | mtn | curatox, that sounds like possibly a vide driver problem. if it did not see grub, it would say no operating system |
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| 22:47.34 | curatox | mtn, so it does not matter that grub got installed onto the encrypted drive? i assume the MBR is not affected by the encryption then? |
| 22:47.58 | mtn | curatox, someone else will need to answer that. I dont' know encryption |
| 22:48.37 | curatox | mtn, alright, thanks though for your help so far! appreciated. will try to keep looking into it then. |
| 22:49.04 | Vizva | there must be a /boot partition without encryption |
| 22:49.16 | Vizva | the installer will not finish without |
| 22:49.43 | curatox | Vizva: yes, a /boot partition was created. is that where the MBR is located? |
| 22:49.52 | Vizva | you can use supergrub for example - then boot it again and then write update-grub or grub install |
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| 22:51.15 | Vizva | i have supergrub2 on a usb for such cases ,it find all systems |
| 22:51.20 | curatox | Vizva: i just fear that when i do that using supergrub or a livecd, that i still do not know where grub should go. |
| 22:52.07 | janne_ | dont taket this live cd. take free internet server linux distro cd! |
| 22:52.24 | Vizva | you can use parted or gparted to look where to write it |
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| 22:53.17 | mtn | curatox, with a mbr boot, grub goes to the drive, not a partition |
| 22:53.47 | Vizva | yes you can choose that drive where the /boot is |
| 22:53.48 | mtn | curatox, did the intaller handle the partitioning and encrypting? |
| 22:53.58 | Vizva | for not get confuse |
| 22:54.09 | Vizva | become |
| 22:54.28 | curatox | mtn: yeah, I let the installer guide me through it and i just went with the partitions it prompted me. |
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| 22:54.54 | guyFromWeb | hey guys, where can I download Debian? :D |
| 22:55.01 | mtn | curatox, I would have thought it would set it up correctly |
| 22:55.10 | mtn | guyFromWeb, the debian website ;) |
| 22:55.21 | guyFromWeb | https://www.debian.org/distrib/ |
| 22:55.26 | guyFromWeb | millions of download links |
| 22:55.33 | guyFromWeb | is there offline installer? |
| 22:55.48 | mtn | guyFromWeb, yes, dvd1 |
| 22:56.13 | curatox | mtn, me too. then again, i amnot too familiar with encrypted lvm and a multi boot multi drive setup. i fear that the encryption might have screwed something up. |
| 22:56.17 | mtn | guyFromWeb, if you are going to have internet afterwards, you dont' need all the dvds |
| 22:56.57 | Vizva | curatox is screw only where you install it |
| 22:57.37 | Vizva | wipe is a better word for the last system in there |
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| 22:57.59 | Vizva | its not viruaal :) |
| 22:58.58 | mtn | curatox, how did you make the install disk? |
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| 22:59.28 | Vizva | the best thing is that now another os cannot look into the encrypted system or write visible on it, thats increased security |
| 23:00.07 | curatox | mtn, copied the debian iso-image onto a usb drive. worked perfectly fine, the only option i manually adjusted from the default options the installer prompted me was the location for grub. |
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| 23:02.03 | mtn | curatox, ok. hope you get it sorted |
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| 23:02.08 | Vizva | curatox there was another person here do it all into uefi |
| 23:02.26 | guyFromWeb | mtn: which dvd1 do you mean?? |
| 23:02.40 | curatox | mtn, yeah, thanks again. |
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| 23:02.49 | mtn | guyFromWeb, the one for you type if system. perhaps amd64? |
| 23:02.57 | mtn | if/of |
| 23:03.14 | Vizva | curatox if you want to do it the other way , you have to set option in (i call it bios) before boot any of it |
| 23:03.17 | curatox | Vizva: well, windows is installed in MBR so i guess i cannot do that without reinstalling windows too (not an option). |
| 23:03.30 | Vizva | ah ok |
| 23:03.51 | Vizva | normally the grub should see both |
| 23:04.15 | Vizva | i have some systems do it that way |
| 23:04.51 | curatox | well, i think i will try to reinstall grub and see if that works. |
| 23:05.10 | Vizva | if you can boot into it thats fine |
| 23:05.42 | Vizva | there is usch a mini supergrub for cd outside too |
| 23:05.45 | Vizva | such |
| 23:05.48 | guyFromWeb | so http://prntscr.com/ea4kkh takes me to this page: https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 23:05.51 | guyFromWeb | wtf |
| 23:05.52 | curatox | well, with a live cd or rescue-cd it should hopefully be possible. |
| 23:06.17 | Vizva | a simple live cd is more difficult |
| 23:06.36 | Vizva | could help if same system |
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| 23:06.54 | curatox | gonna try that now. might be back again if my attempt fails :) thanks for the help! |
| 23:07.25 | Vizva | good work on it :) |
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| 23:14.01 | guyFromWeb | is this the only iso i need? xD |
| 23:14.03 | guyFromWeb | http://prntscr.com/ea4ny3 |
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| 23:18.05 | petn-randall | guyFromWeb: Do you have an internet connection during installation? |
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| 23:19.28 | guyFromWeb | wait |
| 23:19.43 | guyFromWeb | what do the packages contain, like CD-2, CD-3 etc |
| 23:22.18 | klys | guyFromWeb, http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian8.7/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz |
| 23:23.22 | guyFromWeb | which CD contains those? |
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| 23:24.25 | klys | guyFromWeb, those are packaged by priority, eg. the first CD contains all essential packages, and other CDs contain optional or extra packages. |
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| 23:25.55 | guyFromWeb | all of em are like 4-5 gb |
| 23:26.02 | guyFromWeb | computer with no connection |
| 23:26.06 | klys | those are DVD images. |
| 23:26.12 | guyFromWeb | no |
| 23:26.15 | guyFromWeb | wait |
| 23:26.16 | guyFromWeb | what |
| 23:26.18 | guyFromWeb | it says CD |
| 23:26.43 | klys | If you want a CD image, you should go with an older version of debian, probably from archive.debian.org |
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| 23:26.54 | guyFromWeb | i want USB image xD |
| 23:27.00 | guyFromWeb | will the DVD image work for USB? |
| 23:27.14 | klys | It has been said that it will, I have not tried. |
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| 23:28.18 | guyFromWeb | if the page says it, then i'll trust it :D |
| 23:28.24 | klys | another way to package files for an offline system is to use debootstrap |
| 23:28.58 | klys | just saying, that's a little more involved and requires a system with all base-essential packages there. |
| 23:29.19 | guyFromWeb | okay thanks klys |
| 23:29.22 | guyFromWeb | you helped a lot :) |
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| 23:33.06 | jaywrong | sawp |
| 23:33.10 | janne_ | There surfing linux lynx software browser's! Let's go. Hawaiia Island's!! |
| 23:33.48 | somiaj | mearon: glad that linked worked. |
| 23:34.10 | jaywrong | if linux's so secure how come the number of reported bugs is higher than windows |
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| 23:34.35 | klys | did you want a channel focused on security |
| 23:34.35 | jaywrong | exploits i mean |
| 23:34.42 | jaywrong | ok thx klys |
| 23:34.44 | janne_ | so secure ssh tunnel show! |
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| 23:56.31 | n-iCe | hi |
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