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| 00:06.31 | Lyberta | hi, I've bought a new GPU and now I get "unsupported resolution" when LightDM should start, how can I fix this? |
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| 00:08.39 | jelly | which new gpu, on which debian release, Lyberta |
| 00:09.06 | Lyberta | jelly, AMD Radeon R9 380X, Debian Testing |
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| 00:10.07 | jelly | probably too new for testing, and freeze has started which means you won't get newer versions of software quickly if at all |
| 00:11.39 | jelly | Lyberta, what does the "lspci -nn" line for that gpu say? |
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| 00:13.57 | Lyberta | jelly, 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Tonga XT / Amethyst XT [Radeon R9 380X / R9 M295X] [1002:6938] (rev f1) |
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| 00:18.11 | SuperTramp83 | Lyberta, ATI.. |
| 00:18.11 | OerHeks | njummie, 2048 streamprocessors, up to 95w |
| 00:18.21 | SuperTramp83 | u miss the proprietary firmware |
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| 00:19.34 | Lyberta | SuperTramp83, I do have firmware because my previous GPU is also ATI/AMD, I also made sure that I have amdgpu driver installed |
| 00:20.12 | SuperTramp83 | Lyberta, ohh, I see. :/ |
| 00:20.17 | jelly | judd, pciid 1002:6938 |
| 00:20.18 | judd | [1002:6938] is 'Tonga XT / Amethyst XT [Radeon R9 380X / R9 M295X]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:6938 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 00:20.28 | jelly | judd, pciid 1002:6938 --release sid |
| 00:20.29 | judd | [1002:6938] is 'Tonga XT / Amethyst XT [Radeon R9 380X / R9 M295X]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with no known kernel module in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:6938 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 00:21.53 | jelly | eh, ask in |
| 00:21.57 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 00:21.58 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 00:22.27 | Devastator | maybe a kernel and a new driver from backports?! |
| 00:22.28 | missmbob | god help you if themill sees you point people there |
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| 00:24.48 | jelly | don't think so, we have a similar stance on that issue |
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| 00:27.40 | ryouma | anybody done machine learning to determine likely debian release date? :) |
| 00:30.14 | tw | training set is too small. |
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| 00:38.55 | ryouma | regression on rc bug fixes from freeze to release is not even useful? |
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| 00:41.44 | monsterco | ls -la shows last modified. how can you tell last accessed? |
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| 00:46.23 | ryouma | monsterco: u |
| 00:46.45 | ryouma | monsterco: but by default this value is not correct until midnight or so -- look up relatime |
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| 00:47.12 | ryouma | monsterco: you can set your fs to make it accurate, if you want |
| 00:47.44 | monsterco | ls -u? |
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| 01:00.17 | cef | My google fu is failing me. I've got a .deb that is built for wheezy (it's a printer driver). it depends on a lib that isn't in jessie. Is there a way I can tell apt to assume that any dependency on that lib is actually fulfilled by a different lib now? basically I want to make any ref to 'libblah1' be satisfied by 'libblah2'. |
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| 01:02.01 | \\Mr_C\\ | [20:00] <\\Mr_C\\> whats the equivalent in debian for this? apt-get install libsdl2-2.0-0:i386 |
| 01:02.01 | \\Mr_C\\ | [20:01] <\\Mr_C\\> the :386 doesnt seem to work |
| 01:02.26 | Lyberta | cef, you can find an old versions in debian archive |
| 01:03.47 | imMute | \\Mr_C\\: That's the way to do it. What's not working? |
| 01:04.11 | \\Mr_C\\ | ./UCCLinux.bin: error while loading shared libraries: libSDL2-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 01:04.21 | cef | Lyberta: of the lib? I know I could d/load the .deb of that lib from wheezy, but afaik it's own dependencies will then need to be fulfilled, which afaik aren't the case. |
| 01:04.24 | \\Mr_C\\ | its the 64bit version of debian, the ucc is 32bit |
| 01:04.58 | Lyberta | cef, yes that is a problem |
| 01:05.16 | cef | Lyberta: meaning I'd end up with a plethora of packages I'd need to install. *sigh* stupid printers |
| 01:05.30 | imMute | \\Mr_C\\: I meant what went wrong with the apt command? |
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| 01:10.23 | CrowX- | in /dev/pve I have all my LVMs listed. They have modification dates too. What do those dates mean? |
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| 01:10.44 | CrowX- | In this case I mean, cause those are virtual devices and not actual data files |
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| 01:13.45 | \\Mr_C\\ | i got it working, thanks |
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| 01:34.34 | newcoder | http://dpaste.com/3CQ2F14 , why do I get this error message? These headers are already installed. |
| 01:34.46 | newcoder | /sbin/vboxconfig gives this error ^ |
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| 01:42.32 | CrowX- | I was moving a KVM machine to a new server, so I simply moved the config file over, created the LVM disk, and did a dd to the .raw file of the old disk to the new one and it worked. The data was there on the new one. 6 months later, I restart the new KVM and the data is back to what it was when I did the migration. |
| 01:42.36 | CrowX- | Is it possible that new data was unable to be written on the lvm for all that time, and was only stored in ram? |
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| 01:46.07 | newcoder | What's KVM? |
| 01:46.19 | newcoder | Why #gentoo? |
| 01:46.51 | monsterco | VM as in virtual machine |
| 01:47.27 | newcoder | Why #gentoo? |
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| 01:56.36 | rpifan | so ive run rm -rf * on the /var/log but when i reboot the system i get ll the same extra log back that i dont need |
| 01:56.37 | rpifan | wtf |
| 01:56.43 | rpifan | how do i actually get rid of them |
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| 02:01.44 | tw | you mean disable logging? |
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| 02:04.59 | rpifan | no i have way too many logs |
| 02:05.16 | rpifan | for example i have syslog.5 |
| 02:05.20 | rpifan | and 4 and 3 and 2 and 1 |
| 02:05.26 | rpifan | i dont all of those |
| 02:05.32 | rpifan | but when i actually deleted the whole folder |
| 02:05.35 | rpifan | it didnt stay empty |
| 02:05.40 | rpifan | when i rebooted it all the files came back |
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| 02:05.47 | rpifan | even though i modified the log deamon |
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| 02:07.03 | tw | I can't recall if logrotate also needs to be updated. |
| 02:07.05 | tw | It probably does. |
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| 02:07.42 | rpifan | well ive jsut rebooted it liek 3 times |
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| 02:15.41 | rpifan | is there any mechanism that could ake it seems like the logs were deleted but they really werent |
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| 02:16.40 | Digz | rpifan, move the logs to a directory only you have access to and let whatever logs create new logs in /var/log? |
| 02:16.55 | rpifan | hmm |
| 02:16.57 | rpifan | lets try |
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| 02:19.53 | rpifan | nop still tehre |
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| 02:30.22 | tsuyubo | jelly: |
| 02:30.30 | tsuyubo | hi, |
| 02:34.12 | tsuyubo | jelly: I have resolved that issue.Because i messed grub v1 and v2,so reinstall grubv2 and update-grub2,the file - /boot/grub/grub.cfg was updated and all kernel in /boot is listed in grub menu |
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| 02:35.52 | tsuyubo | Thx! |
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| 02:46.55 | rpifan_ | stupid logs |
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| 02:51.12 | tw | There's always journald.conf Storage=none ForwardToSyslog=no ;) |
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| 02:58.06 | \\Mr_C\\ | does debian have a defualt ftp server built in? |
| 02:58.19 | dgriffi | is there some special incantation to get someone to address a bug report involving the Stretch installer? |
| 02:58.57 | SwedeMike | mr_c: you mean if it's installed and up and running when doing a default install? don't know, but it's easy to install one. proftpd for instance. |
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| 02:59.26 | \\Mr_C\\ | i thought there maybe one that gets installed by defualt |
| 02:59.31 | \\Mr_C\\ | default |
| 03:00.25 | rhizome | nope |
| 03:01.17 | \\Mr_C\\ | i just put the ftpd |
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| 03:07.27 | dgriffi | does anyone have any hints on how to get someone to address a bug report I sent in? |
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| 03:12.35 | themill | dgriffi: I assume you're asking about #855396? Time in debian is measured in quanta of weeks and you've only just submitted that. TBH, you're the first person I've seen in a decade to make an ISO image that way and so it's not going to be a priority for anyone to volunteer to look at. If you can debug it some more yourself, then you might get somewhere |
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| 03:15.23 | dgriffi | themill: I didn't make the ISO image. I just put it on a bootable thumbdrive |
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| 03:17.42 | themill | s/make an ISO image/make the installer from an ISO image/ |
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| 03:18.38 | guyFromWeb | so what's the difference if I download CD or DVD version |
| 03:18.59 | themill | guyFromWeb: How many packages you can install without going back to the mirror |
| 03:19.19 | guyFromWeb | what's the mirror |
| 03:19.22 | rhizome | you get more repo |
| 03:19.38 | guyFromWeb | ok, I'll get all 3 DVDs |
| 03:19.58 | themill | That's just a waste of your time and donated bandwidth |
| 03:19.59 | rhizome | yikes. only if you install a lot or have a bad/expensive internet connection |
| 03:20.48 | leetcool | guyFromWeb, just get the first DVD iso it has everything you need for daily usage. |
| 03:21.15 | guyFromWeb | well what are the contents of the other 2 |
| 03:21.20 | guyFromWeb | ? |
| 03:21.31 | rhizome | and i guess if you're downloading 3 dvds your internet connection is probably not the bottleneck |
| 03:21.53 | guyFromWeb | it won't take long |
| 03:22.03 | guyFromWeb | give me your estimation |
| 03:22.07 | guyFromWeb | on 1 |
| 03:22.12 | leetcool | @guyFromWeb, additional tools and softwares. which you may not, necessarily require. |
| 03:22.35 | guyFromWeb | I already downloaded one, which took about 15 mins? |
| 03:22.43 | themill | dgriffi: my point is that you didn't 'just' put it on the usb drive, you also did a stack of other things that 99.9% of users do not do and debugging what went wrong is unlikely to be a priority for anyone other than you. |
| 03:22.45 | leetcool | is this your first time on GNU/Linux? |
| 03:22.57 | guyFromWeb | I'll survive 40-50 mins lol |
| 03:23.03 | guyFromWeb | I got Ubuntu |
| 03:23.11 | dgriffi | themill: how would I start debugging this problem? |
| 03:23.12 | guyFromWeb | but it's giving me errors often |
| 03:23.16 | themill | dgriffi: You could ask about how you can debug this in #debian-boot on oftc |
| 03:23.33 | guyFromWeb | it just says some gnome-software crashes |
| 03:23.50 | guyFromWeb | I don't think it's a bad ISO, it may be the computer |
| 03:23.51 | leetcool | personally i don't recommend anyone ubuntu because your it's spying properties. |
| 03:23.55 | rhizome | there are almost 60,000 packages in my mostly-default repos |
| 03:23.55 | guyFromWeb | it's really old |
| 03:24.00 | rhizome | that's what's on the dvds |
| 03:24.27 | leetcool | *your = of |
| 03:24.42 | guyFromWeb | what spying |
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| 03:25.36 | leetcool | canonical is following the path of google. tracking user queries and sharing with amazon. |
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| 03:25.53 | rhizome | turned off by default now |
| 03:26.00 | rhizome | fwiw |
| 03:26.17 | guyFromWeb | ok good :D |
| 03:27.02 | leetcool | lol whatever, my pref is always debian :) |
| 03:27.14 | leetcool | not "Debian Based" |
| 03:27.23 | guyFromWeb | I never used it, that's why I wanna try |
| 03:27.53 | guyFromWeb | I like Ubuntu so far |
| 03:28.14 | guyFromWeb | it's great, I like testing a new OS |
| 03:28.36 | leetcool | cool. give it try with pantheon desktop environment (performance + stability + awesome UI) |
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| 03:55.22 | fishbulb | I still don't have middle click scrolling with the trackpoint with this lenovo thinkpad |
| 03:55.23 | lux_ATOM | anyone have any bluetooth experience with Debian? |
| 03:55.43 | fishbulb | my experience with bluetooth in general is that it rarely works |
| 03:56.14 | lux_ATOM | fishbulb did you try gkrellm for monitoring? |
| 03:56.37 | fishbulb | I'll go with something else, it looks a bit old |
| 03:57.12 | lux_ATOM | yeah I like that im all about saving memory |
| 03:57.34 | lux_ATOM | I should change my name to one gig |
| 03:57.38 | fishbulb | the gnome system monitor actually shows what I want, it's just a window. gkrellm looks aesthetically old |
| 03:57.39 | lux_ATOM | :D |
| 03:57.46 | fishbulb | do you just use a netbook? |
| 03:58.13 | lux_ATOM | yeah I have a desktop too but its a dualcore atom with four gigs |
| 03:58.16 | fishbulb | I used one for years, I've still got it, you can fit 2gb of ram in them |
| 03:58.46 | lux_ATOM | i refuse to add money its processor is lame |
| 03:58.59 | fishbulb | it would be like twenty bucks probably |
| 03:59.19 | lux_ATOM | the dualcore keeps up but I would like to get a quadcore atom netbook at least |
| 03:59.41 | fishbulb | or an i5 |
| 03:59.45 | lux_ATOM | this is a single core netbook and it can be painful when trying to gnome ;) |
| 04:00.08 | fishbulb | spend like 200 on some kind of ultraportable |
| 04:00.09 | lux_ATOM | BUT i do get a full day use off the battery with the help of an SSD |
| 04:01.12 | fishbulb | I've got a couple, one is that oldest one ever, the other is an asus something with a bit more ram and I have a touchscreen somewhere. for a while netbooks were everywhere |
| 04:03.15 | fishbulb | the touchscreen is pretty horrible, it's a film you install yourself |
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| 04:04.18 | tw | tbh, I don't know how 2GB of ram is a functional desktop environment with even a minimal number of javascript enabled websites open. |
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| 04:04.19 | lux_ATOM | I should really hate this netbook its a hp mini came with broadcom wifi and other unsupported hardware |
| 04:04.27 | lux_ATOM | but the challenge was good |
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| 04:05.16 | fishbulb | whatever works, I'm broke too |
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| 04:06.02 | lux_ATOM | real challenge is getting the usb zoom winmodem working |
| 04:07.34 | fishbulb | so much of my stuff is done with a computer that I have a sort of decent one for daily stuff and my older ones for other things |
| 04:08.52 | fishbulb | doing more with less is a challenge but if you use a computer basically every day it's worth going to something that works pretty well |
| 04:10.20 | lux_ATOM | well my computer works alot better then my droid |
| 04:10.27 | fishbulb | the fact is most poeple use computers to do most of their life and it might as well be a decent second hand machine |
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| 04:14.45 | tw | in a world where you can get a 3 year old 1U E3 for 400-500$ off ebay with a significant amount of ram and high core clock, I find it hard to justify resource constraints outside of embedded. |
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| 04:20.51 | lux_ATOM | my embedded desktop was alot back when it was new. |
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| 04:21.46 | lux_ATOM | a dualcore atom was just getting to the US after its 10 years in japan :? |
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| 04:22.24 | tw | Now you can buy a quad core c2xxx series that has a high chance of failure after 18 months. XD |
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| 04:29.56 | lux_ATOM | i have had the desktop for over five years |
| 04:30.03 | lux_ATOM | no failure yet |
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| 04:31.08 | lux_ATOM | i like it because its silent. actually had to change the display because the display was noisy :D |
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| 04:43.07 | nguyenphi | Chromium was disabled install extension by default |
| 04:43.18 | nguyenphi | How can i re-enable it? |
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| 04:43.46 | nguyenphi | Where can i put export chromium flags enable-remote-extesions? |
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| 04:44.10 | somiaj | nguyenphi: see /etc/chromium.d |
| 04:45.20 | tw | also, if you're talking about in stretch, see bugs list. |
| 04:45.32 | tw | #852398 specifically |
| 04:45.33 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/852398 in chromium (open): «chromium: option --enable-remote-extensions does work: extensions cannot be enabled nor be installed»; severity: important; opened: 2017-01-24; last modified: 2017-02-09. |
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| 04:46.16 | nguyenphi | Is that mean I can't install extensions on chromium |
| 04:46.24 | nguyenphi | Cause Im using stretch |
| 04:46.37 | tw | not in stretch, at least not yet. Use google-chrome in the meantime. |
| 04:46.48 | nguyenphi | tw: oh god |
| 04:46.52 | nguyenphi | tw: thank you |
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| 04:50.43 | HackSpirit | Hi Himanshu |
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| 04:53.30 | bum | How to add "wireless display" in Windows |
| 04:58.29 | somiaj | what do you mean by in windows? |
| 04:59.40 | Countess_Bathory | ignore it somiaj , he posted that in multiple channels at once |
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| 05:08.02 | Rusty1_ | somiaj: |
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| 06:48.40 | sim590 | I want to create a package and the wikipage says I have to rename the tarball to package_version.orig.tar.gz. What if the upstream doesn't release versions. Can I use the hash instead of the version? |
| 06:50.10 | somiaj | use the version you give it in your control file, since it needs some version. If you don't need a source package, just use the -b flag to only build a binary then the source isn't needed |
| 06:51.28 | somiaj | I mean changelog, that is where you set the version |
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| 06:54.26 | sim590 | for now, I did: dch --create -v fe7fe47-1 --package <package> and it seems okay... |
| 06:54.26 | n4dir | sim590: i think this might help: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/first.en.html#namever |
| 06:56.01 | n4dir | too slow ... :-) |
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| 07:00.11 | sim590 | So, if the version number is git commit, dpkg will not understand that the package may be an upgrade and may not install packages when updates come, is that it? |
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| 07:04.16 | fishbulb | hey I still can't get this thinkpad to use the middle button as the scroll button |
| 07:04.34 | fishbulb | either the libinput package is out of date... or I dunno |
| 07:05.26 | sim590 | I guess I can use version=`printf "r%s.%s" "$(git rev-list --count HEAD)" "$(git rev-parse --short HEAD)" |
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| 07:07.13 | n4dir | i think there is a channel called #mentors or such. |
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| 07:09.09 | n4dir | yup, sim590 #debian-mentors on the oftc server |
| 07:10.13 | fishbulb | hey, I'm trying to get this scroll button working |
| 07:10.17 | fishbulb | thinkpad x220 |
| 07:10.22 | sim590 | n4dir: okay. THanks. |
| 07:10.32 | fishbulb | the trackpoint, that little red thing, you hold the middle button and scroll up and down |
| 07:10.52 | fishbulb | this doesn't work in debian stable jessie (whatever) which I installed yesterday |
| 07:11.11 | somiaj | sim590: some just use the date as a version number. |
| 07:11.47 | somiaj | n4dir: #packaging might be more appropriate as #debian-mentors is for getting packages into debian, nost just creating them. |
| 07:11.49 | fishbulb | 8.7.whatever, upgraded kernel, updated some other things, wifi and stuff works, now this scrolling thing is pretty important for reading and doing the computing |
| 07:12.47 | somiaj | ,v libinput-bin |
| 07:12.48 | judd | Package: libinput-bin on amd64 -- sid: 1.6.0-1; stretch: 1.6.0-1 |
| 07:12.51 | sim590 | somiaj: I'm used to the arch way. Is there something wrong with: printf "r%s.%s" "$(git rev-list --count HEAD)" "$(git rev-parse --short HEAD) ? I find it identifies the package much more clearly. |
| 07:13.39 | somiaj | fishbulb: libinput is newer than jessie, I think it is synamptic or older libs used in jessie. NOt sure what ones for the trackpoint though |
| 07:13.54 | n4dir | ah, somiaj , cool you corrected (or enhanced). |
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| 07:14.32 | somiaj | sim590: is this package for personal use or to get into debian? Provided the version follows debian policy (read the new matainers guide) it will work. One thing to consider is upgrades and using a version number that gets bigger over time so you dont' have to fall back on epochs for upgrades. |
| 07:14.52 | somiaj | sim590: I think the main thing is you need a number at the start. |
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| 07:15.10 | n4dir | just wanted to say something similar: if it is only for you ... |
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| 07:16.20 | sim590 | somiaj: the printf scheme makes sure of this. The first number is the number of revision in the repository. The second is that hash. |
| 07:16.25 | sim590 | the hash of HEAD tha tis. |
| 07:16.32 | sim590 | that is* |
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| 07:17.00 | somiaj | sim590: and it will grow over time, so if you do this in a month, the starting number will be bigger so apt thinks it is a newer version (not this is only imporant if you want the package in debian or provide upgrades from a repo) |
| 07:19.14 | sim590 | if I package in a month, this is an upgrade. The number will increase so that's complying with the rule, isn't it? |
| 07:19.38 | sim590 | I mean, if I use git rev-list --count HEAD and git rev-parse --short HEAD |
| 07:20.15 | somiaj | I'm unsure, not quite sure what that command does, just pointing this out. |
| 07:21.50 | somiaj | I'll take your word for it that it will increase over time |
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| 07:22.34 | fishbulb | hey |
| 07:22.39 | fishbulb | how do I upgrade the package libinput |
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| 07:24.26 | somiaj | fishbulb: you don't, it isn't in jessie or jessie-backports. You'll have to use other methods to configure it |
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| 07:26.12 | sim590 | somiaj: it counts the number of revisions in the repository. A revision is essentially a hash which points to some blob, commit, tree, stash, etc. |
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| 07:27.23 | rue_shop3 | what xset command will turn off everything that causes the screen to blank? |
| 07:27.39 | rue_shop3 | EEEEVVVVEEERRRYYYYTTTHHINGGGGG |
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| 08:38.51 | fishbulb | it seems like 15 extra steps is needed in debian to get one thing working |
| 08:39.12 | fishbulb | middle button scrolling with a trackpoint with (any thinkpad ever) |
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| 08:39.43 | fishbulb | the udev method doesn't work |
| 08:39.53 | fishbulb | libinput cannot be upgraded so that method doesn't work |
| 08:40.13 | fishbulb | package gpointing-device-settings.... doesn't exist? |
| 08:40.31 | fishbulb | or it's in SID or something? |
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| 09:20.08 | DrBunsen | !tell DrBunsen about debian-next |
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| 09:21.30 | babilen | dpkg: otherchannel DrBunsen #debian-next irc.oftc.net |
| 09:21.30 | dpkg | DrBunsen: The channel you are looking for is #debian-next on irc.oftc.net. Please do /server irc.oftc.net and then /join #debian-next. If your client supports it, you can also right-click the following link and choose connect: irc://irc.oftc.net/#debian-next |
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| 09:21.55 | cannon-c | Whom maintains precompiled packages in debian exactly? |
| 09:22.16 | DrBunsen | babilen: I knew it was another server, but I forgot the name ;) |
| 09:22.21 | babilen | cannon-c: Debian developers and maintainers |
| 09:22.30 | cannon-c | anyone can be maintainer right? |
| 09:22.39 | babilen | DrBunsen: irc.debian.org points to the right network |
| 09:23.09 | babilen | cannon-c: Yes, anyone can become a maintainer or developer. |
| 09:23.26 | cannon-c | what is to stop me from simply uploading malicious binaries? |
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| 09:23.42 | cannon-c | "open source" means nothing if comes in precompiled form |
| 09:23.49 | babilen | cannon-c: Only debian developers (i.e. people who have completed the newmaint process) can upload into the archive |
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| 09:25.13 | babilen | And packages are built by autobuilders based on the source packages that are provided. You can also get hold of these source packages if you are curious. |
| 09:25.18 | klaas | cannon-c you may be interested in https://wiki.debian.org/ReproducibleBuilds |
| 09:25.35 | babilen | cannon-c: What exactly are you after or implying? |
| 09:25.47 | cannon-c | im just paranoid |
| 09:26.04 | cannon-c | wondering how easy would be for evil maint to be evil |
| 09:26.12 | babilen | In the end you have to trust someone |
| 09:26.21 | cannon-c | I trust myself |
| 09:26.28 | cannon-c | usually compile from source |
| 09:26.29 | babilen | In that case you can't do anything |
| 09:26.34 | cannon-c | looking into openbsd because ports system |
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| 09:26.45 | babilen | Well, have you read and understood every line of code that you've compiled? |
| 09:26.47 | klaas | cannon-c do you do proper review of all source? |
| 09:26.58 | klaas | and with openbsd your base system is binary aswell |
| 09:27.00 | JyZyXEL | at what Priority should rtkit-daemon be running? |
| 09:27.07 | cannon-c | does anyone audit code? |
| 09:27.39 | cannon-c | but again, what is point of auditing any code if it is not guaranteed to be same in precompiled binary |
| 09:27.56 | babilen | cannon-c: Code is constantly being reviewed, but not in the same manner as it is done for BSD if that is what you are after |
| 09:28.15 | klaas | see the reproduceable builds link I posted, thats currently being done |
| 09:28.23 | cannon-c | reading on reproducible builds, |
| 09:28.25 | cannon-c | thanks |
| 09:28.43 | babilen | As I said: In the end you have to trust someone. If you don't trust Debian to provide binary packages that correspond to the source packages nothing can help you. |
| 09:29.03 | babilen | If you decide that you only trust binaries you have compiled yourself that's fine and would mean that you'd have to compile everything |
| 09:29.16 | cannon-c | which is fine |
| 09:29.24 | cannon-c | except for cases when huge depedency tree |
| 09:29.26 | babilen | Sure, there is nothing wrong with that |
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| 09:34.15 | babilen | You are also facing a bootstrapping problem (just as a note) |
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| 09:37.34 | cannon-c | bootstrapping problem? |
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| 09:38.06 | cannon-c | aimed for me or someone else? |
| 09:38.13 | babilen | You'll have to compile *everything* from scratch which includes the compiler |
| 09:38.25 | cannon-c | lol how to compile a compiler? |
| 09:38.45 | babilen | You start small and extend functionality |
| 09:39.32 | cannon-c | I was just wondering how precompiled binaries from package system is audited |
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| 09:39.44 | cannon-c | I am reading up on reproducible build link posted earlier |
| 09:39.47 | babilen | Which means that, in the end, you have to trust someone (e.g. the provider of the compiler you use, your hardware, ...) |
| 09:40.05 | cannon-c | Not possible unfourtanetly to not trust anyone |
| 09:40.09 | babilen | https://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt |
| 09:40.16 | cannon-c | but I like to trust as less as possible |
| 09:41.05 | cannon-c | It is also nice that debian has .onion for package mirror |
| 09:41.17 | babilen | I know, that is exactly my point. It is perfectly fine to not trust Debian. Many people decided that it is okay to trust Debian and its processes and infrastructure however and can reap the benefits of doing so. |
| 09:47.40 | fishbulb | how do I get the middle button scroll working with a thinkpad |
| 09:47.53 | fishbulb | with debian |
| 09:48.06 | fishbulb | udev method doesn't work |
| 09:48.41 | fishbulb | the libinput package can't be upgraded |
| 09:48.55 | fishbulb | is there anyone here who has a working method? |
| 09:51.18 | babilen | https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Thinkpad/Trackpoint |
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| 10:25.53 | fishbulb | how do I get that package |
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| 10:26.42 | fishbulb | it's not in the package manager |
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| 10:31.52 | fishbulb | thanks for the link too babilen |
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| 10:41.51 | codfection | do you guys dual boot debian with windows |
| 10:41.56 | codfection | or only use debian? |
| 10:42.15 | codfection | I am about to install it on bare metal, since I cant install windows after debian, I need advice. |
| 10:43.20 | joze | one os per harddrive for me |
| 10:44.00 | sh00p | windows at home, debian at work, no dual, dual is a hassle imo |
| 10:44.11 | codfection | true. its a hassle |
| 10:44.16 | sh00p | i rather vmware |
| 10:44.30 | codfection | sh00p, why not debian at home :D |
| 10:44.31 | joze | stupid uefi |
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| 10:44.47 | cannon-c | whats uefi have to do with anything? |
| 10:44.58 | sh00p | codfection, cause games, i do have debian at home on my server tho |
| 10:44.58 | cannon-c | I just disable uefi, enable legacy bios |
| 10:44.59 | joze | it's annoying |
| 10:45.21 | codfection | sh00p, if it were not for games, would you still use windows? |
| 10:45.37 | cannon-c | My favorite game is metasploit |
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| 10:45.54 | sh00p | codfection, not sure, windows is kinda smooth, it's not as bad as the rep it has |
| 10:46.04 | sh00p | but for serious stuff there is no alternative to linux |
| 10:46.20 | codfection | cannon-c, nice :D |
| 10:46.28 | codfection | cannon-c, you must be running kali, eh. |
| 10:46.38 | cannon-c | kali is good |
| 10:46.46 | cannon-c | For pentesting |
| 10:46.56 | cannon-c | I usually just run straight debian though |
| 10:47.03 | cannon-c | blackarch OS is nice too |
| 10:47.06 | codfection | sh00p, what serious stuff? |
| 10:47.27 | sh00p | codfection:: server stuff, development |
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| 10:47.53 | cannon-c | serious stuff = just about anything that a fully functional computer should be capable of, 98% of which is not included in windows nor capable in windows |
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| 10:48.23 | DrBunsen | How does one show folders prior to files in nautilus, I can't seem to find this anymore. |
| 10:48.43 | cannon-c | man ls |
| 10:48.55 | cannon-c | ls --help |
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| 11:30.15 | _sfiguser | hello all, is there an open source alternative to visual paradigm, or in general a free Computer-aided software engineering ? |
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| 11:52.19 | BluesKaj | Howdy folks |
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| 12:15.04 | dgriffi | if I run a debian install within QEMU and have it install to a real hard drive, can I expect the resulting hard drive to boot and run on real hardware? |
| 12:16.39 | towo` | should work |
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| 12:17.27 | dgriffi | cool... there are a couple of showstopping bugs in Stretch's install that I need to work on. |
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| 12:43.53 | \\Mr_C\\ | is there an equivilant for dpkg --add-architecture i386 into the apt-get install style? |
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| 12:48.37 | Plushwolf | \\Mr_C\\: iirc it could work with 'apt-get install packagename:i386" |
| 12:49.05 | \\Mr_C\\ | i mean |
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| 12:49.11 | TomTomTosch | no, you still need to add the foreign architecture with dpkg first. |
| 12:49.17 | \\Mr_C\\ | okay |
| 12:49.22 | \\Mr_C\\ | my mistake |
| 12:49.23 | \\Mr_C\\ | thank you |
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| 12:50.00 | TomTomTosch | dpkg is the low-level package manager. |
| 12:50.00 | dpkg | TomTomTosch: I give up, what is it? |
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| 12:50.19 | \\Mr_C\\ | so does this look right? |
| 12:50.21 | \\Mr_C\\ | dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update && apt-get install libsdl2-2.0-0:i386 |
| 12:50.21 | dpkg | gets an architect to start planning a new gothic processor |
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| 12:52.20 | TomTomTosch | sure |
| 12:52.39 | \\Mr_C\\ | thank you |
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| 13:09.25 | tiny | People I need your help. I have a nasty admin on the other side that tries to make our lifes hard. He disabled apt-get proxy and I can't apt-get install or anything. |
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| 13:10.12 | tiny | Now, I do have a ssh connection to the site. How would I download and later copy all needed packages over to the system on the other side? |
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| 13:11.10 | tiny | And finaly install them |
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| 13:13.51 | BluesKaj | tiny, admin on the other side? where is that? |
| 13:14.46 | tiny | Why is that relevant? |
| 13:15.02 | tiny | I have a vpn to remote debian system and network admin makes my life hard. |
| 13:15.32 | tiny | he doesn't answer phone calls and makes himself important by blocking access. |
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| 13:17.54 | BluesKaj | tiny, you could have expalined your situation more clearly with those details in your first post.. sound like you're in a difficult situation |
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| 13:20.33 | tiny | BluesKaj: yes i am... |
| 13:21.26 | tiny | so I was wondering if I could somehow gather information about all needed packages on the system. Use this information to download packages. Copy packages over and install... |
| 13:21.28 | tiny | doable? |
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| 13:25.02 | BluesKaj | your internet access is dependent on this admin then, is this correct , you no other route available? |
| 13:25.06 | BluesKaj | have |
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| 13:30.57 | a339 | hello |
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| 13:40.25 | tiny | BluesKaj: yes |
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| 13:41.14 | a339 | On a web server, I've had /home symlinked to /data/home (/data is a second partition, same drive). Some PHP applications break because of this (I know). I want to bind mount /home to /data/. My fstab is "UUID=XX /data ext4 defaults 0 2". Is this sufficient to append to fstab: "/data/home /home none defaults,bind 0 0"? Should I remove symlink first or just/can I leave it? |
| 13:43.10 | BluesKaj | tiny, so your vpn has just one server? |
| 13:44.03 | a339 | That's supposed to say "I want to bind mount /home to /data/home" ** |
| 13:44.04 | tiny | I have two servers on the other side. Both on the same remote network. |
| 13:44.55 | tiny | BluesKaj: VPN is of PPTP type |
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| 13:45.51 | tiny | BluesKaj: couldI create some kind of tunnel and route internet trafic over it? |
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| 13:47.42 | BluesKaj | tiny, I'm not real familiar with pptp vpn, I use openvpn |
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| 13:50.09 | BluesKaj | tiny, have you checked this out ? http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/routing.phtml#client-to-server |
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| 13:53.14 | fishbulb | hey how do I get newer packages |
| 13:53.27 | fishbulb | there's openscad 2014 in synaptics package manager |
| 13:53.34 | fishbulb | that's too old |
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| 13:54.30 | zykotick9 | s/old/well tested/ |
| 13:55.24 | fishbulb | please do go on about how you have tested openscad |
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| 13:56.43 | fishbulb | please elaborate on how thoroughly you have tested it, or any cad software |
| 13:57.07 | zykotick9 | fishbulb: i have no idea what openscad even is... but claims about software being "too old" in stable, fall on deaf ears i think. check for a backport of package X, see if backporting yourself is an option <ssb> or live with it... these are the options i see. best of luck. |
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| 13:57.29 | n4dir | jesus. the software released in debian get's testet ... hold your breath .... in debian testing |
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| 14:02.17 | TomTomTosch | fishbulb: didn't we go through this multiple times already? stable does not get new packages after release. if a backport is not available you have to get it from upstream. openscad offers binary tarballs of the latest stable and development snapshots built for jessie. |
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| 14:03.06 | TomTomTosch | http://www.openscad.org/downloads.html |
| 14:04.24 | zykotick9 | !sns |
| 14:04.24 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
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| 14:05.53 | n4dir | lol. |
| 14:05.53 | TomTomTosch | it's perfectly fine to sometimes want software that's newer than available in stable. you just need to know how to get it. |
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| 14:08.28 | n4dir | it's probably even fine to run testing or sid. But iirc he left arch as that was too much fiddling. You can't have it all: either an easy life, or the latest and greatest. I guess |
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| 14:11.57 | zykotick9 | has a different definition of the word "fine" vs. TomTomTosch's and n4dir's usage. in his opinion SNS-software and running testing/sid are NOT "fine"... YMMV ;) |
| 14:12.22 | fishbulb | it's 2017 and I think a 2014 release of CAD software isn't new enough |
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| 14:13.01 | fishbulb | and you can't understand why? |
| 14:13.12 | zykotick9 | fishbulb: i'd suggest you stop looking at version numbers/release dates and start looking how the software runs/works... |
| 14:13.22 | fishbulb | I'd suggest you do |
| 14:13.49 | n4dir | The answer is simple: debian isn't the right distribution for you. |
| 14:13.53 | fishbulb | before giving "advice" on something as fast moving as parametric cad software |
| 14:14.41 | zykotick9 | fishbulb: if you want bleeding edge/broken software there are LOTS of distros out there catering to that need... |
| 14:15.17 | TomTomTosch | or... get the stupid tarball from upstream and go argue somewhere else? |
| 14:16.22 | TomTomTosch | you really don't need to push your believes on other people. it's their own decision how they do their computing. |
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| 14:16.32 | fishbulb | AND NEITHER DO YOU |
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| 14:17.24 | n4dir | no one does. Debian is the way Debian is (just like other distros are the way they are). There ain't much to argue about it. Either one likes it, or one doesn't |
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| 14:18.26 | fishbulb | and apparently you don't trust authors of their own software to have their own shit figured out? what the fuck are you even arguing about? |
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| 14:19.54 | towo` | fishbulb, use arch if you want newest versions of software |
| 14:20.00 | n4dir | if that is your point of view, run a distribution which installs from source,. |
| 14:20.09 | towo` | fishbulb, it seems debian does not fit your needs |
| 14:21.02 | n4dir | i guess the quote block by M. Krafft still gives a good general idea: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=21372&p=113848 |
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| 14:27.58 | fishbulb | ahahahaha |
| 14:28.12 | fishbulb | "if you are a perfectionist and a purist" |
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| 14:28.32 | fishbulb | you should run debian if: you are a list of like 40 ULTIMATE THINGS |
| 14:29.08 | fishbulb | you should not: if you aren't AWESOME AND GREAT AND PERFECT LIKE ME |
| 14:31.33 | fishbulb | you should run debian if you are prepared to love everything about debian and rate debian, and by extension yourself, higher than any user of any other distro ever, you should not run it if you aren't a brilliant and perfect human who fits 40 categories some utter narcissist rambled off the top of their head |
| 14:32.19 | zykotick9 | checks calendar, no it's saturday... |
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| 14:32.31 | DexterF | morning |
| 14:32.33 | DexterF | !backports |
| 14:32.34 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 14:34.26 | nkuttler | fishbulb: i just want things to work, that's why i use debian |
| 14:34.36 | fishbulb | replace "debian" with "any other distro" and that list of shit describes EVERY fanatic/zealot/fundamentalist/maniac who thinks "their" distro is better than everything and everyone ever |
| 14:34.58 | nkuttler | fishbulb: also, this kind of discussion would be better in #debian-offtopic |
| 14:35.13 | towo` | fishbulb, please stopp writing FUD |
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| 14:37.39 | DexterF | if you want things to just work, get a Mac :D |
| 14:37.57 | DexterF | nah kiddign since Jobs popped the clogs things are going south there all the same |
| 14:38.50 | DexterF | on topic: apt-cache show -t jessie-backports cmake <- with jessie-backports in sources gives me *two* results, I think the second (v3.0.2) is the one from "regular" jessie actually |
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| 14:39.14 | DexterF | but does not tell me anywhere in the output or I'm not seeing it. insight, please? |
| 14:40.04 | TomTomTosch | -t jessie-backports doesn't make much sense with apt-cache show. use apt-cache policy to see what packages are available in which repo. |
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| 14:40.31 | DexterF | ah |
| 14:40.59 | zykotick9 | DexterF: "apt-cache madison FOO" might also be handy? |
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| 15:03.42 | mearon | hi all. I'm just configuring my laptop to do unattended system upgrades (running stable). I installed the package 'unattended-upgrades', and read the wiki etc. |
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| 15:04.23 | mearon | I noticed there is a service /lib/systemd/system/unattended-upgrades.service, which takes care of the upgrade process in case a shutdown/reboot is issued in the meanwhile |
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| 15:04.32 | mearon | it got automatically enabled |
| 15:04.52 | mearon | however, I'm wondering what happens when I put my system to sleep during an unattended upgrade? |
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| 15:05.36 | mearon | I noticed /etc/pm/sleep.d/10_unattended-upgrades-hibernate which seemed to take care of that |
| 15:05.57 | mearon | but I think scripts in /etc/pm/sleep.d/ are no longer executed with systemd as init |
| 15:06.47 | mearon | afaik the right place for scripts/services to be run on sleep is /lib/systemd/system-sleep/ -- but that's empty :/ |
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| 15:08.27 | mearon | is there maybe a mechanism for delaying sleep during an unattended upgrade I've missed -- or is this something to be fixed in future releases? |
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| 15:11.09 | DexterF | I'm trying to compile kodi 17 on debian 8, configure complains about missing LibTag. I have libtag1-dev which I would have thought should do. still waiting for input from Kodi devs, but maybe someone happens to know? |
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| 15:12.30 | TomTomTosch | can you paste the output to paste.debian.net ? |
| 15:13.08 | BluesKaj | DexterF, don't stick with kodi jarvis, you'll end up crashing kodi most of the time ..I already tried |
| 15:13.41 | BluesKaj | do stick with kodi jarvis rather , DexterF |
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| 15:14.08 | DexterF | BluesKaj: rather than Krypton you mean? |
| 15:14.16 | BluesKaj | yes DexterF |
| 15:14.19 | DexterF | oO |
| 15:14.21 | DexterF | how so |
| 15:14.39 | DexterF | v17 that bad or debian just not a good platform for kodi? |
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| 15:16.13 | BluesKaj | kodi 16.1 jarvis worl=ks well on debian 8, krypton doesn't , DexterF |
| 15:16.32 | DexterF | well, I'll prefix it to /opt for the sake of testing. |
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| 15:17.05 | BluesKaj | go ahead then , but wear a seat belt ;-0 |
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| 15:17.43 | BluesKaj | krypton runs fine a debian stretch tho, DexterF |
| 15:17.57 | BluesKaj | a=on |
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| 15:18.40 | DexterF | so it basically is a deb8-stable-is-a-bit-last-week-for-a-bleeding-edge-features-media-center issue |
| 15:18.42 | BluesKaj | trying to stop you from grief , hence all the typos, DexterF |
| 15:19.21 | DexterF | TomTomTosch: http://paste.debian.net/915342/ |
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| 15:22.20 | DexterF | BluesKaj: it's mainly a compromise I've been fighting with for ages, I have one machine in my home that runs all server things, it's got a mdadm array for storage and back then it was of all distros the often smiled at for being a bit moldy debian was the only dist to have working intel drivers for my one-platform-to-keep-power-consuption-down approach |
| 15:22.45 | DexterF | but I think I really have to part from the concept and move kodi onto a machien of its own |
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| 15:23.18 | DexterF | deb testing might be nice, but since it will run PVR, too, I'm afraid I will find myself rebooting it every day for updates |
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| 15:23.43 | NapoleonWils0n | hi all |
| 15:24.04 | NapoleonWils0n | im trying to install docker.io on debian sid, but install always gets stuck on 80% |
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| 15:24.24 | NapoleonWils0n | it says creating docker group and gets stuck |
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| 15:25.31 | NapoleonWils0n | also have some bash aliases that use sudo that wont work |
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| 15:26.18 | NapoleonWils0n | i have some scripts in my $HOME/bin which use sudo, and i have to specify the path to the script for them to run |
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| 15:26.36 | NapoleonWils0n | eg: sudo $HOME/bin/foo instead of sudo foo |
| 15:28.51 | BluesKaj | DexterF, hmm, wonder if kodi is the corect way to go for your setup, what about plex and mythtv ? |
| 15:29.21 | NapoleonWils0n | kodi kicks plexes arse up and down the street and back again |
| 15:30.04 | NapoleonWils0n | you can use the plex server with kodi if thats you thing |
| 15:30.07 | BluesKaj | NapoleonWils0n, have you read DexterF 's description od his setup? |
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| 15:30.32 | BluesKaj | od=of |
| 15:30.36 | NapoleonWils0n | no but i know alot about kodi and just saying its much better than plex |
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| 15:31.24 | NapoleonWils0n | you only need plex if you want to trancode video |
| 15:31.43 | BluesKaj | perhaps reading about his situation before making suggestions is in order , NapoleonWils0n |
| 15:31.53 | NapoleonWils0n | so you need a seperate computer to run the plex server |
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| 15:32.17 | NapoleonWils0n | its like windows vs linux, no brainer |
| 15:32.18 | BluesKaj | DexterF, are you following this ? |
| 15:32.53 | NapoleonWils0n | if you use kodi it can play anything so you dont need to transcode the video |
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| 15:33.25 | NapoleonWils0n | you would only need plex if you want to transcode the video and use plex on ios |
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| 15:34.32 | BluesKaj | I have a simple setup, my HTPC is directly connected to one TV , don't need to serve over a network since wife and I are old retired fogies :-) |
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| 15:35.19 | BluesKaj | no bedroom tvs etc. |
| 15:35.37 | NapoleonWils0n | if you use Kodi you will want the yatse remote control for android |
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| 15:36.48 | NapoleonWils0n | kodi can also work with airplay, so you can beam videos from your ios device to kodi plugged into your tv |
| 15:36.51 | BluesKaj | nope, don't need one, I use wireless KB & mouse , and my pvr is on a separate input from the HTPC |
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| 15:37.45 | BluesKaj | no integration needed just switch sources |
| 15:38.11 | BluesKaj | blah blah |
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| 15:54.04 | DexterF | BluesKaj: I haven't heard of Plex until now. let me check what's up with that |
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| 15:55.24 | BluesKaj | DexterF, not sure it's for you, but I have a freind who use a raid array server for media and plex is what he uses |
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| 15:56.41 | pseudonymous | Hi - I can't interact with systemd (systemctl) from a regular user, I'm getting "Failed to get D-Bus connection: Connection refused". My user is only part of the 'docker' and 'systemd-journal' groups. |
| 15:57.05 | DexterF | BluesKaj: well, for raid I'd like to stick with the most stable dist out there, and that's still debian. it really is only about storage. I need a dvb/recorder backend, that's currently hts tvheadend talking to DVB-S2 and though I'd have to say a thing or two about TVHE and kodi's integration that's what I knwo and so I'd liek to stick to it |
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| 15:57.27 | DexterF | if there is a dvb backend that's better nd provides gui config from kodi I'm all ears though |
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| 15:58.20 | tiny | How do I stop inetd service? |
| 15:59.00 | tiny | properly I mean. There's no init.d script. |
| 16:01.09 | BluesKaj | DexterF, my dvr/pvr isn't integraed with kodi since it's a sat dish service .. I'm out in the boonies . Seems you know more about kodi integration than me , but i thought I'd better mention my experience with kodi krypton debian 8, it wasn't good |
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| 16:03.15 | DexterF | BluesKaj: the kodi community pointed out more or less that debian with its stability focus maybe isn't the best choice for a media center with all the latest craze, so I guess they are more and more neglecting it. I point I can see. sat dish here, too, no cable here. |
| 16:04.16 | DexterF | (the bloody cable is right in the street but the landlord won't pay for the installation since he doesn't need it... the service provider entangles you in a 10yr contract, too, I can how one does not want that.) (yes yes offtopic, I know) |
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| 16:05.59 | DexterF | BluesKaj: what's your backend then? |
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| 16:09.18 | seoner | Failed to start /etc/rc.local Compatibility. |
| 16:09.26 | seoner | hi what is this and how do i fix this? |
| 16:09.39 | BluesKaj | DexterF, I do have kodi krypton , but I'm running debian 9 stretch and it works ok, but I hate the gui , i much prefer the jarvis |
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| 16:11.12 | DexterF | BluesKaj: nono, I meant, what brings your sat disk to kodi? |
| 16:11.18 | DexterF | *dish |
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| 16:12.55 | BluesKaj | DexterF, it doesn't , i use kodi for streamed tv that i can't get on my Bell Canada dish service |
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| 16:14.03 | DexterF | BluesKaj: ah, things are very different overseas. I have straight mpeg FTA to a usb dvb-s2 tuner, that's one other thing, I have to watch comapt for that tuner |
| 16:14.16 | DexterF | *compat |
| 16:14.21 | BluesKaj | we have a cable co in our small town here, but they're too expensive for what one gets |
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| 16:16.20 | seoner | people how do i fix this? http://paste.debian.net/915352/ |
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| 16:17.12 | BluesKaj | yeah the dish service offers a tuner which one could run into a capture card like hauppauge, but i bought the pvr up front |
| 16:17.19 | BluesKaj | DexterF,^ |
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| 16:20.40 | BluesKaj | DexterF, ahh FTA sounds like an interesting time using that setup :-) |
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| 16:33.39 | dontknow | stretch is fully frozen now? |
| 16:35.29 | nkuttler | !stretch freeze |
| 16:35.29 | dpkg | Stretch is frozen as of 2017-02-05; see https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2017/02/msg00001.html or <freeze>, <slushy>. |
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| 16:39.41 | BluesKaj | nkuttler, got a few upgrades this morning |
| 16:39.54 | nkuttler | BluesKaj: that's how it works |
| 16:40.01 | BluesKaj | yup |
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| 16:45.40 | seoner | Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/bluetooth.service; enabled) Active: inactive (dead) |
| 16:45.43 | seoner | What does this two lines mean? |
| 16:45.45 | seoner | One says that it is loaded, one says that it is inactive/dead? |
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| 16:48.21 | seoner | nobody? |
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| 16:53.45 | ErkiDerLoony | seoner: It means the service is loaded but not currently running. |
| 16:54.14 | seoner | ErkiDerLoony: thank you. do you know how I can remove it from loading? |
| 16:54.40 | ErkiDerLoony | systemctl disable bluetooth.service |
| 16:55.11 | ErkiDerLoony | (that's the "enabled" part in the line you mentioned) |
| 16:55.13 | x032cx | how long will stretch be frozen for Debian 9 to be relaesed as stable just curious to know |
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| 16:56.15 | seoner | ErkiDerLoony: Do I have to run this every reboot? |
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| 16:57.26 | ErkiDerLoony | No this command will disable the bluetooth service for good. |
| 16:57.31 | ErkiDerLoony | Until you re-enable it. |
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| 16:58.47 | gino | ct |
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| 17:00.26 | seoner | ErkiDerLoony: What is the difference between this method and use 'rfkill block bluetooth' before 'exit 0' in /etc/rc.local? |
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| 17:01.02 | i-fukt-my-pillow | hello |
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| 17:04.00 | i-fukt-my-pillow | !ops i fucked my pillow |
| 17:04.00 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: i-fukt-my-pillow complains about: i fucked my pillow |
| 17:05.25 | bub_ | \:D/ |
| 17:05.26 | ErkiDerLoony | seoner: The systemctl way would be the proper way, the rc.local way would force bluetooth to be disabled but systemctl would try to re-enable it on every boot. |
| 17:05.48 | i-fukt-my-pillow | !ops the fuck? i fucked my pillow and it fucked me back! |
| 17:05.49 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: i-fukt-my-pillow complains about: the fuck? i fucked my pillow and it fucked me back! |
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| 17:07.46 | seoner | ErkiDerLoony: Ok so I should remove that line from rc.local right? |
| 17:07.56 | ErkiDerLoony | yep |
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| 17:08.24 | i-fukt-my-pillow | seoner: no |
| 17:08.37 | i-fukt-my-pillow | if you do that, your pillow will no longer fuck |
| 17:08.37 | seoner | i-fukt-my-pillow: why not? |
| 17:08.41 | ErkiDerLoony | Although I'm not entirely sure if bluetooth is disabled by default then. |
| 17:08.51 | i-fukt-my-pillow | and then you will have to fuck your mommy in the ass |
| 17:08.52 | ErkiDerLoony | seoner: Ignore him, he's a troll. |
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| 17:09.05 | i-fukt-my-pillow | ErkiDerLoony: i'm offended at your comment |
| 17:09.16 | seoner | ErkiDerLoony: Ok. But you just say "No this command will disable the bluetooth service for good. |
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| 17:09.44 | i-fukt-my-pillow | hi fuchs, do you fuch your pillow? |
| 17:09.44 | ErkiDerLoony | That's right. The service will be disabled. But when you start your computer your bluetooth might start in "enabled" state. |
| 17:09.49 | Fuchs | ah, it's you |
| 17:09.54 | i-fukt-my-pillow | lol ya |
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| 17:10.08 | i-fukt-my-pillow | its ur momma and i, fucking our pillows together |
| 17:10.10 | ErkiDerLoony | You would have to try that out. |
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| 17:11.58 | seoner | ErkiDerLoony: So is there any workaround? |
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| 17:12.18 | ErkiDerLoony | That depends on what you are trying to achieve. |
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| 17:14.04 | seoner | ErkiDerLoony: Deactive and disable bluetooth for good :) |
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| 17:15.49 | ErkiDerLoony | Well, the systemctl command disables the bluetooth service, i.e. software. |
| 17:16.16 | ErkiDerLoony | To disable the actual bluetooth hardware you could perhaps blacklist the corresponding kernel module or use a kernel with bluetooth disabled. |
| 17:16.28 | ErkiDerLoony | Perhaps you device even has a hardware bluetooth kill switch. |
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| 17:19.48 | seoner | ErkiDerLoony: Whats the easyest way to do it? I dont know about my hardware has any bluetooth kill switch. |
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| 17:23.00 | ErkiDerLoony | seoner: Look at `lsmod`. Does it list anything bluetooth related? |
| 17:23.05 | ErkiDerLoony | If not it's already disabled. |
| 17:23.19 | seoner | ErkiDerLoony: After I run 'systemctl disable bluetooth.service' I get this -> http://paste.debian.net/915362/ <- Does it look good to you? |
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| 17:24.41 | ErkiDerLoony | Yes, that means the service is now disabled. |
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| 17:26.08 | seoner | ErkiDerLoony: systemctl mask dbus-org.bluez.service <- Is this necessary? |
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| 17:28.25 | ErkiDerLoony | seoner: That would prevent you from even starting that service manually. But if you think you can restrain yourself from doing that if you don't want to I think that is not necessary. ;) |
| 17:29.41 | seoner | ErkiDerLoony: Ok thank you. :) |
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| 18:10.36 | Aquarius13 | How do I Change My Display Name (Nick) ? |
| 18:10.36 | Aquarius13 | Type: â /nick myNewNickname â without the quotes. |
| 18:10.37 | Aquarius13 | How do I Register or Password Protect my Nickname? |
| 18:10.37 | Aquarius13 | Check these instructions (good question, someone write it up and tell one of the ops in the chat and we will put it here. |
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| 18:11.59 | zykotick9 | dasj: i was wonder what controlled that on my setup. i use urxvt (aka rxvt-unicode) and it turns out it has a value URxvt*saveLines that i read defalts to 64 and most systems support a max 65535. so check in your terminal's settings. good luck. |
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| 18:23.00 | zaab1t | Hi, I would like to be have the commands shutdown and reboot available |
| 18:23.03 | zaab1t | halp |
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| 18:26.18 | zykotick9 | zaab1t: do you have sudo installed/setup? |
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| 18:33.00 | zaab1t | yes |
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| 18:34.30 | zykotick9 | zaab1t: and does "sudo shutdown -h now" work? or "sudo reboot"? |
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| 18:43.10 | zaab1t | yes |
| 18:43.26 | zaab1t | can I alias them or something, so I can just type shutdown and reboot |
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| 18:52.08 | Emil | yes |
| 18:52.40 | Emil | in your shell configuration file (.bashrc for example) |
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| 18:52.57 | Emil | add alias shutdow='shutdown -h now' |
| 18:53.00 | Emil | and so on |
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| 19:08.35 | CuSn | Just found out we no longer have inetd.conf for configuring network services. What's the replacement? (yes, i haven't touched this for a looong time. :-) ) |
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| 19:11.38 | sh00p | perhaps /etc/network/interfaces is what you are looking after CuSn? |
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| 19:11.58 | sh00p | also network manager if you have a gui |
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| 19:12.28 | CuSn | sh00p: i think that deals with the NIC cards/WLAn stuff. I'm talking about running a deamon that accepts requests from the network, specifically a tiny web server. |
| 19:12.43 | CuSn | sh00p: example of the old config line: www stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/local/bin/websh websh |
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| 19:12.57 | sh00p | alright CuSn, i'm sorry but i have no clue then |
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| 19:13.09 | sh00p | surely somebody else must know though |
| 19:13.37 | CuSn | sh00p: I'll run it down eventually. |
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| 19:14.02 | sh00p | ya, go get em |
| 19:14.07 | CuSn | this was much easier in 1983. There was only one real reference manual . :-) |
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| 19:14.23 | CuSn | (in 8 volumes) |
| 19:14.28 | jelly | CuSn: if you need an inetd, install it |
| 19:14.52 | jelly | the default is openbsd-inetd |
| 19:15.06 | CuSn | jelly: ah, didn't know it was still available. Thanks. I'll try to figure the modern way first. unless that is the modern way.. :-) |
| 19:15.09 | jelly | judd: whatprovides inet-superserver |
| 19:15.10 | judd | Package inet-superserver in jessie/amd64 is provided by: inetutils-inetd, openbsd-inetd, rlinetd, xinetd. |
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| 19:15.29 | CuSn | Well that makes sense. |
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| 19:15.47 | CuSn | jelly many thanks. |
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| 19:16.13 | tp43_ | Anyone installed skype. Skype.com has skype for debian 7 but current latest version is 8. |
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| 19:17.41 | jelly | tp43_: consider trying the alpha release that uses their web api, instead. Or just open web.skype.com in a modern browser. https://community.skype.com/t5/Linux/Skype-for-Linux-Alpha-and-calling-on-Chrome-amp-Chromebooks/td-p/4434299 |
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| 19:18.10 | CuSn | jelly: looks like each of those can be used, but to the exclusion of the others, and inet-supervisor requires any one of them. |
| 19:18.14 | tp43_ | jelly, I figured installing native app would be smoother than going over http |
| 19:19.28 | CuSn | ah, correction inet-supervisor comes with each one ofthem. |
| 19:20.15 | jelly | CuSn: you only need one inetd, the are multiple implementations. |
| 19:20.35 | CuSn | yup, i got that bit. :) |
| 19:20.45 | CuSn | I picked xinetd |
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| 19:21.02 | jelly | because the default can't possibly be good? :-) |
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| 19:23.44 | CuSn | I didn't get a default? Or did i overlook it? i would have taken it, had i known. |
| 19:23.55 | CuSn | I prefer not thinking most of th time. :-) |
| 19:24.04 | CuSn | I like defaults |
| 19:24.30 | CuSn | jelly: what was the default? |
| 19:25.02 | jelly | [19:14] <jelly> the default is openbsd-inetd |
| 19:28.40 | zaab1t | Used all day trying to set this thing up, really glad you're here to help |
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| 19:29.16 | zaab1t | grub doesnt see my windows harddisk, when I boot |
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| 19:43.56 | jhutchins | CuSn: I still have inetd. |
| 19:44.20 | CuSn | jelly: jhutchins Ok |
| 19:44.27 | jhutchins | CuSn: What you're looking for is typically called TCP Wrappers. |
| 19:44.54 | jhutchins | CuSn: Allows some control over who can access a daemon, starts it on demand. |
| 19:45.33 | jhutchins | CuSn: Not sure how the installer treats it, you probably have to pick some Server option at install time to get it., |
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| 19:46.28 | jhutchins | CuSn: So if you set up as a desktop, you wouldn't have it. Mail server or web server probably wouldn't use it either. |
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| 19:51.47 | jhutchins | CuSn: Most modern services have inetd like features built in, and most of the insecure services it was made for aren't used (telnet, finger, ftp). |
| 19:51.51 | jelly | nothing serious uses inetd these days |
| 19:52.32 | CuSn | Srsly? |
| 19:52.35 | CuSn | :-) |
| 19:53.15 | jelly | judd: depends inet-superserver |
| 19:53.16 | judd | No package named 'inet-superserver' was found in jessie/amd64. |
| 19:53.43 | jelly | wrong bot command |
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| 19:57.14 | jelly | also, systemd has socket activation and starting on demand, and even a stdio <-> socket feature just for inetd compatibility |
| 19:57.21 | jelly | http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/inetd.html |
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| 19:58.06 | CuSn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:14.33 | zmitya | hi gents |
| 20:14.59 | zmitya | how can I install the MPEG-4 AAC decoder for soundconverter ?? |
| 20:15.06 | zmitya | on a Jessie |
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| 20:23.59 | DexterF | are there educated guesses on when stretch will "be done"? |
| 20:26.34 | TomTomTosch | zmitya: do you have gstreamer0.10-plugins-{good,bad,ugly} installed? |
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| 20:30.07 | zmitya | TomTomTosch: I have base, good, really-bad, and ugly |
| 20:30.22 | zmitya | TomTomTosch: do I need the nad as well ? |
| 20:30.26 | zmitya | *bad |
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| 20:31.04 | zmitya | TomTomTosch: let met try |
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| 20:33.42 | TomTomTosch | the aac en- and decoder should be in -bad according to https://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/documentation/plugins.html |
| 20:33.45 | missmbob | !tell zmitya about crosspost |
| 20:33.51 | TomTomTosch | not sure if that applies to gstreamer0.10 as well. |
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| 20:34.44 | zmitya | TomTomTosch: great, that one was missed, installing it now.. really thanks !! |
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| 20:35.37 | zmitya | TomTomTosch: great, it is working now, many thanks |
| 20:35.45 | TomTomTosch | no problem |
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| 20:37.05 | IllakXunil | I made it :) |
| 20:37.20 | IllakXunil | It was pretty simple. |
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| 21:35.10 | SunOS | hello |
| 21:35.17 | SunOS | when i try to edin a crontab |
| 21:35.33 | SunOS | and then to save it`s shows me that error |
| 21:35.50 | SunOS | new crontab file is missing newline before EOF, can't install. |
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| 21:37.19 | SunOS | hmz |
| 21:37.21 | SunOS | i fix it |
| 21:37.22 | SunOS | ;) |
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| 21:38.52 | m4x | SunOS: have you tried to add a newline at the end of your crontab? |
| 21:39.27 | SunOS | i just make copy paste and then to change path |
| 21:39.27 | SunOS | ;) |
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| 21:39.47 | m4x | try adding an extra blank line at the end |
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| 21:46.38 | SunOS | i fix it |
| 21:46.39 | SunOS | 10h |
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| 21:52.04 | Agafnd | So I have a very small (~10GB) root partition (never mind why >.>) and it's sort of full right now |
| 21:52.34 | Agafnd | I think I need to truncate some log files, but I've always been unsure how to go about that |
| 21:52.56 | phogg | Agafnd: > /path/to/file |
| 21:53.08 | Agafnd | right |
| 21:53.52 | Agafnd | how would I find the largest logs? |
| 21:54.43 | phogg | Agafnd: try: du /var/log | sort -n -k1 |
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| 21:55.06 | Agafnd | oh does that need to be run as root |
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| 21:57.48 | Agafnd | hm, seems I have a lot of *.\d.gz files |
| 21:57.55 | Agafnd | that comes from logrotate right? |
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| 22:01.19 | Agafnd | ...maybe I should set logrotate to clear stuff out more often |
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| 22:14.29 | F1nny | Hey guys, anyone have any exp with bcache/otherwise? I'm looking to setup bcache to my existing system which is lvm on luks on software raid10 hdd's. Basically just nabbed a m2 ssd and looking to get things going, wondering if anyone has exp with it/should I be expecting any issues or problems as far as setting on an existing lvmOluksOmdadm ? I know I need to do the block-to-bcache on partition header and that's the part that makes me nervous haha :) |
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| 22:15.26 | trcody | exit |
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| 22:16.22 | missmbob | F1nny: i havent tried but i've heard that jessie doesnt work with m2. need newer version of grub and 3.17 |
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| 22:21.51 | F1nny | missmbob: Actually the system I'm trying to do this on is on arch so in the clear there but thanks for the heads up! Hopped in here as well as #archlinux as used to be in here a lot more frequently for my laptop runnin debian:) |
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| 22:25.02 | dontknow | what is the command to remove every package? |
| 22:25.15 | dontknow | i mean downloaded packages |
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| 22:27.35 | Agafnd | i should be able to `> /var/log/user.log` without causing any trouble right? |
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| 22:28.30 | TomTomTo1 | dontknow: apt-get clean |
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| 22:29.14 | dontknow | TomTomTo1, thanks |
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| 23:13.57 | kevin-oculus | can i ask offtopic |
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| 23:14.59 | dontknow | kevin-oculus, ask |
| 23:15.06 | klys | #debian-offtopic |
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| 23:20.49 | velix | Are there any commercial packages services? I'd like to have some packages backported (to Jessie), but I neither have the time, nor the knowledge to do anything by myself. |
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| 23:21.58 | somiaj | velix: there are request to package bugs, there might be request to backport bugs (I'll have to double check). But outside of that someone will have to volunteer to do the work. I don't know of any place that you can just pay to do the work. |
| 23:22.57 | somiaj | I've seen nice people in here help backport stuff to share too. |
| 23:23.59 | velix | somiaj: Right now, I've got to use Ubuntu in a chroot, since Debian packages are so heavily outdated. |
| 23:23.59 | somiaj | hmm, not clearly seeing what bug to request a backport. |
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| 23:24.33 | somiaj | velix: that is not going to change in Debian, debian produces a frozen system which has different release goals the ubuntu. |
| 23:24.54 | velix | somiaj: That's why I'm asking for backports for money ;) |
| 23:25.10 | velix | somiaj: I wonder, why there are no automatic backports |
| 23:25.12 | somiaj | stretch will be released here now that it is frozen (~6 months), but if you need lots of backports, you'll most likely have to make them yourself if they aren't being made. |
| 23:25.33 | somiaj | velix: someone needs to matain/test them |
| 23:26.02 | velix | somiaj: Nope, no need to. Label them "experimental, automatic backports" and you're fine. |
| 23:26.05 | velix | None-default, additional. |
| 23:27.22 | somiaj | that is not debians design policy/goals |
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| 23:27.44 | velix | somiaj: never said this would be debian's task. |
| 23:27.50 | velix | somiaj: I asked for a paid service :) |
| 23:27.59 | velix | somiaj: normally, corporations do this. |
| 23:27.59 | sonOfRa | velix: well, you have to test them to at least the level that they don't exhibit random runtime failures simply because of an ABI break |
| 23:28.16 | velix | sonOfRa: it's easy to implement automatic tests. |
| 23:28.18 | sonOfRa | velix: maybe redhat is the choice for you |
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| 23:28.29 | velix | sonOfRa: Ubuntu in a chroot is doing fine. |
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| 23:28.45 | sonOfRa | velix: you'd have to test every single interaction of every single program. It's not about /bugs/, it's about ABI breaks |
| 23:28.46 | velix | I think, you don't understand what I'm asking for. I do not want to change Debian. |
| 23:28.46 | somiaj | anyways, you may be able to find those who will work for money, but I don't know of a centralized location. But this is partly why there are so many based on debian things out there, because not everyone likes debians frozen policy. Backports are helpful, but not the solution if your goal is to keep more current a large number of packages. |
| 23:28.52 | velix | I don#t want Debian developers to change their mind. |
| 23:29.02 | velix | I just wanted to pay money to save time on doing backports. |
| 23:29.13 | sonOfRa | velix: which is kind of what redhat does. |
| 23:29.40 | velix | sonOfRa: but Redhat ain't debian. I don't want to change the core platform. |
| 23:29.45 | somiaj | velix: I don't know of any orginization that currently exists, but that doesn't mean there aren't people out there who would do the work. You won't really find them here I don't think. |
| 23:30.05 | velix | somiaj: ok, then I'll keep on using my chroot ;) |
| 23:30.35 | velix | But I'm fine with this. Using a chroot helps to keep the main system clean :) |
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| 23:33.56 | AvatarA | see who's maintaining what you want backported and make your offer :) |
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| 23:35.33 | AvatarA | and you can't do automatic backports for so many packages, if that would be possible then we wouldn't need maintainers |
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| 23:53.41 | NANDgate | I'm trying to compile Gnu octave and I'm getting an error for "javac compiler or jar excutable found".Any suggestions on how to debug this? I am on Debian testing |
| 23:54.34 | NANDgate | I just realize that debug is wrong word since I would be the bug in this case |
| 23:56.01 | NANDgate | I have openjdk 1.8 installed. that might be the problem |
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| 23:57.39 | NANDgate | when I type "javac - version" I get a bash error of "command not found", and i have installed javacc through apt |
| 23:58.09 | sh00p | update-alternatives --config javac |
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| 23:58.21 | sh00p | or maybe need to install |
| 23:58.22 | NANDgate | trying now |
| 23:58.52 | themill | Also, octave is already in Debian so you probably could save yourself a lot of hassl |
| 23:58.53 | themill | e |
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| 23:59.34 | NANDgate | I'm trying out version 4.2.0. I would like the bug fixes but will revert if this fails |
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