| 00:00.01 | themill | ,v octave --release experimental |
| 00:00.02 | judd | Package: octave on amd64 -- experimental: 4.2.0-2 |
| 00:00.24 | NANDgate | cool thanks I was not aware of that |
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| 00:00.39 | themill | It looks to be quite backportable to earlier releases too |
| 00:01.32 | themill | (at the very least, the source package tells you the build-dependencies) |
| 00:01.58 | themill | /msg judd builddep octave experimental |
| 00:02.26 | NANDgate | themill: is this syntax correct? ",v octave --release experimental" |
| 00:02.41 | themill | correct for what? |
| 00:02.49 | themill | it's correct for talking to the bot judd |
| 00:03.04 | NANDgate | Ohh very noob here |
| 00:03.10 | judd | waves to NANDgate |
| 00:03.22 | NANDgate | doesn't work in my terminal |
| 00:03.33 | themill | judd isn't in your terminal |
| 00:03.58 | NANDgate | i meant what themill typed |
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| 00:06.18 | TomTomTo1 | NANDgate: judd is an irc bot. you can talk to it by private message /msg judd <command> |
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| 00:07.26 | TomTomTo1 | NANDgate: the command is what comes after the comma in the invocations above. |
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| 00:08.04 | NANDgate | TomTomTo1: thanks for pointing that out |
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| 00:13.35 | themill | NANDgate: , is just short for "judd: " to attract the bot's attention in here. "v" is short for "versions" which then does the database look-up for me |
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| 00:18.17 | NANDgate | themill: Very cool tool |
| 00:21.16 | NANDgate | themill: I added the experimental to my sources.list then a apt-get update, followed by an apt-cache search for octave yet the line for octave doesn't show a version number. Do I invoke apt differently if I want an experimental package? |
| 00:21.53 | themill | You probably don't want to install the package directly from experimental. You want to recompile the source package |
| 00:21.56 | themill | dpkg: tell NANDgate about ssb |
| 00:23.22 | NANDgate | themill: Got it so the issue I'm having now which may be a nonissue since octave claims it can compile without it is the javac |
| 00:23.59 | themill | so if you follow what dpkg just told you, you would have default-jdk installed and with that, you'd have javac |
| 00:24.21 | NANDgate | themill: sorry for that sentence. It needs punctuation. |
| 00:24.43 | NANDgate | themill: I didn't see any output from dpkg |
| 00:26.10 | NANDgate | themill: sorry just noticed the pm |
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| 00:29.46 | NANDgate | themill: What can I say. Thanks for the info! It clarifies a lot. |
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| 00:37.41 | NANDgate | themill: Thanks again I'm reading the apt wiki now and will update my progress |
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| 00:38.48 | themill | have fun! |
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| 00:43.24 | jaami | what is the reason for this Unable to lock , lock was blocked by an application? |
| 00:44.05 | bazhang | jaami, was that during you trying to use apt |
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| 00:45.00 | jaami | its is on my desktop, more than 10 times same error shows up like light bulbs |
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| 00:45.23 | bazhang | what is on your desktop |
| 00:45.53 | jaami | at bottom of the desktop there are many bulbs and when i click on one bulb the error message is shown |
| 00:45.59 | bazhang | you need to give more info on what you are trying to do |
| 00:46.35 | jaami | yes, let me know what i should do |
| 00:47.07 | jaami | those are notifications |
| 00:47.10 | bazhang | jaami, are you trying to install something, run a script or what |
| 00:47.49 | jaami | nothing, just want to know why those notifications are there. |
| 00:48.15 | bazhang | jaami, if you do not give us more info, that is very hard to say |
| 00:48.44 | jaami | i want to give information, but how and what you need more? |
| 00:49.34 | bazhang | jaami, what are you clicking on to get that error |
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| 00:50.59 | jaami | i drag desktop with mouse upward and there a gray bar at the bottom of screen appear with many bulbs ,if i click on any one a message is shown that unable to lock , lock was blocked by an application |
| 00:51.33 | bazhang | jaami, take a screenshot please |
| 00:52.09 | jaami | ok |
| 00:53.06 | themill | Sounds like the gnome screenlocker |
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| 00:53.37 | zzaj12 | .. |
| 00:55.53 | jaami | is there any app in debian for screen capture, the printscreen button isnt copying image into clipboard |
| 00:56.40 | jaami | ah, got photos app |
| 00:56.45 | awal1 | there are a lot |
| 00:57.30 | bazhang | ,v thunderbird |
| 00:57.31 | judd | Package: thunderbird on amd64 -- sid: 1:45.7.1-1 |
| 00:57.51 | jaami | captured, now sending on pastebin |
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| 01:04.25 | bazhang | no thx |
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| 01:06.10 | Jaami | i captured my desktop and uploaded the image here https://imagebin.ca/v/3CsKwJZtPTu5 |
| 01:06.15 | NANDgate | themill: make is running now. I checked the config.log and found that it did find jdk. It seems that this might be a bug in the ./configures confidence test. Not sure how long it will take. I will update if successful. |
| 01:07.22 | Jaami | bazhang: please see this https://imagebin.ca/v/3CsKwJZtPTu5 desktop captured |
| 01:07.29 | NANDgate | themill: *when successful |
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| 01:10.45 | Jaami | my debian is showing many notifications about some application that locked something. look like debian is hacked. |
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| 01:11.48 | Jaami | please tell me why there are many notifications? here is the desktop capture https://imagebin.ca/v/3CsKwJZtPTu5 |
| 01:12.27 | themill | looks like gnome screensaver is confused |
| 01:12.33 | Jaami | everything is working fine but virtualbox is acting strange |
| 01:12.52 | Jaami | oh screensaver? |
| 01:13.11 | Jaami | yes, quite possible |
| 01:13.59 | Jaami | do i need to update debian? |
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| 01:14.35 | LtL | Jaami: click on the icon to the left in that bar, does it say notifications and setting? |
| 01:14.47 | Jaami | yes it does |
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| 01:15.29 | LtL | Jaami: turn them off or try to find the offending notification and toggle that off |
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| 01:16.08 | Jaami | all are On at this time. so that is the best way to deal with notifications. its so easy |
| 01:16.31 | Jaami | ty |
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| 01:16.52 | LtL | Jaami: well, it would be best to find the offender first |
| 01:17.02 | Jaami | just another thing in my mind, is it possible that someone can hack my debian system remotely? |
| 01:17.14 | marioxcc | Hello. |
| 01:17.19 | bazhang | hi |
| 01:17.26 | marioxcc | How can I install "openssh-server" without starting it offright?. |
| 01:17.34 | marioxcc | (In Debian 8) |
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| 01:17.59 | LtL | Jaami: via ssh sure but not likely. change the default sshd port and don't allow root logins |
| 01:18.00 | Jaami | LtL: is that something serios, i mean the notofication about the lock |
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| 01:19.02 | Jaami | ok nice, i will change the port and really, i use my system no one else can touch it. |
| 01:19.51 | LtL | Jaami: i've never seen it although i don't use a screensaver. your logs may tell you more, eg. /var/log/Xorg.0.log and others |
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| 01:20.54 | LtL | Jaami: i don't believe its serious, no |
| 01:21.10 | Jaami | LtL: ty, now i guess there isnt much to worry. |
| 01:21.22 | LtL | Jaami: if you have hundreds then i would look into it further |
| 01:21.31 | Jaami | it was bothering me from many days |
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| 01:22.00 | Jaami | :) |
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| 01:25.26 | LtL | marioxcc: i don't think you can, but you can shut it down immediately |
| 01:26.21 | marioxcc | LtL: I am worried that the daemon will be exposed with some disfavorable setting (security settings) until I stop it. |
| 01:27.00 | LtL | marioxcc: its safe by default for a few minutes easily |
| 01:27.52 | marioxcc | LtL: You are probably right, but it still is a very unelegant solution. |
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| 01:28.53 | themill | Unless your password is "password" with an easily guessable username, it is safe by default. |
| 01:28.55 | LtL | marioxcc: install, 'service ssh stop' isn't exactly inelegant |
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| 01:30.33 | marioxcc | themill: It is not a secure password, so it could be "password" for that matter. I plan to disable password authentication through SSH anyway. |
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| 01:30.56 | LtL | marioxcc: fix the password |
| 01:31.57 | LtL | something elegant of course ;) |
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| 01:33.04 | ccvibes | i'm having a hard drive problem, it's a Toshiba drive connect to my raspberry pi via SCSI, dmesg reports "sdb1 ext4: couldn't clean up the journal", but there's no /dev/sdb so I can use any tools to analyze/repair it. Any suggestions? |
| 01:34.09 | marioxcc | LtL: I will have to, but it is not really broken beacuse it would not be a security requirement if OpenSSH could be configured to disable remote password login *before* it starts. :) |
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| 01:34.33 | bazhang | ccvibes, running raspbian? |
| 01:35.28 | ccvibes | it's debian sid |
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| 01:36.20 | LtL | marioxcc: install ssh, edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config, restart. elapsed time minutes~ and persistent no worries. |
| 01:37.29 | missmbob | or you could just make sshd_config first and then apt wont overwrite it |
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| 01:38.46 | awal1 | Jaami, you don't have to worry if you don't install unknown third party software and only have open the necessary ports and don't use root if not really needed |
| 01:38.51 | marioxcc | missmbob: Right. That is an option too. |
| 01:39.01 | marioxcc | LtL: I will take the option of "fixing" the password. |
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| 01:39.35 | LtL | marioxcc: most definetly a weak link to resolve pronto |
| 01:40.15 | awal1 | those bulbs are funny :D That's just something wrong in gnome somewhere, try to find what exactly and configure it well, Jaami |
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| 01:41.57 | LtL | marioxcc: change your listening port also unless you want a stream of PRC auth attempts in your logs among others |
| 01:43.06 | awal1 | Jaami, I don't use gnome so no much clue, but it looks like a conflict gnome screensaver trying to lock your session and probably another program preventing that |
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| 03:03.15 | cupric | I'm running apache2 on a raspberry pi. I can't access php code dropped in /var/www. |
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| 03:03.47 | missmbob | raspbian? |
| 03:03.49 | cupric | Any idea why? /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default is set for /var/www |
| 03:03.54 | cupric | yep |
| 03:04.00 | missmbob | !raspbian |
| 03:04.00 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 03:04.08 | cupric | okey doke |
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| 04:08.49 | Aquarius13 | Hi |
| 04:10.00 | Aquarius13 | How do I Change My Display Name (Nick) ? |
| 04:10.00 | Aquarius13 | Type: â /nick myNewNickname â without the quotes. |
| 04:10.00 | Aquarius13 | How do I Register or Password Protect my Nickname? |
| 04:10.00 | Aquarius13 | Check these instructions (good question, someone write it up and tell one of the ops in the chat and we will put it here. |
| 04:10.00 | Aquarius13 | How do I Change Channels, or Go to A Different Chatroom? |
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| 04:25.26 | rue_shop3 | what replaced xorg.conf? |
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| 04:55.27 | Agafnd | so whenever I start a graphical application from the terminal, it warns me "Fontconfig warning: "/etc/fonts/conf.d/50-user.conf", line 14: reading configurations from ~/.fonts.conf is deprecated. please move it to /home/natty/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf manually" |
| 04:55.49 | Agafnd | I trust this is safe to do/isn't leading me wrong? |
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| 05:14.30 | smhar | I had sound problems so I deleted the pulse config file and now I can not get sound with vlc. I keep getting this error: pulse audio output error: PulseAudio server connection failure: Connection refused |
| 05:15.53 | tw | it can't start the pulse server if it's unconfigured. |
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| 05:32.16 | GreyHazRoot | smhar: do a live boot, mount your hard drive, and grab the config file you need from the live boot |
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| 06:46.49 | vahe | hello, please tell me why this program is no one repository ? what is the problem with her? as I read it gpl +cc license "bitmask" |
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| 06:48.33 | somiaj | vahe: programs may not be in Debian due to various reasons, one just being no one has taken time to package it for Debian. |
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| 06:50.10 | jelly | smhar: you just need to restart pulseaudio if the old process is still running, it will create required stuff on its own |
| 06:50.10 | vahe | somiaj: https://bitmask.net/ru/install/linux you just need to add their repository, but it seems to me that something is wrong |
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| 06:51.52 | somiaj | vahe: we don't support thrid party repos here, and that repo looks like it is for ubuntu 'vivid' and not for debian, so it may not be compadable with debian. |
| 06:52.53 | somiaj | oh looks like they have a jessie repo down lower, anyways we dont' support third party repos. Are you having a generic issue with it or is there a problem with the repo, if so contact them. |
| 06:53.40 | vahe | somiaj: no problem, just weird ) |
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| 06:55.06 | vahe | thank you |
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| 07:00.09 | cryptic | I hate debian, I hate networking, I hate lxc, and I hate bridge devices |
| 07:00.19 | cryptic | I also hate freeswitch |
| 07:00.26 | cryptic | is in networking hell right now |
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| 07:01.20 | yukip | what distro are you peps running? asuing debian or a branch |
| 07:01.23 | somiaj | this isn't the place to vent though. |
| 07:01.29 | yukip | i'm cbpp |
| 07:01.32 | raynold | ahh it's a wonderful day |
| 07:01.38 | cryptic | yeah, I know |
| 07:01.48 | somiaj | yukip: we only support debian here, so most of us are actually running Debian (though some run multiple distros for different things) |
| 07:02.08 | somiaj | yukip: and based on debian support is off-topic here |
| 07:02.47 | yukip | branches of debian are practically the same as debian just differnt mw and icons |
| 07:03.00 | yukip | window managers* |
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| 07:03.19 | somiaj | !based on debian |
| 07:03.19 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 07:03.35 | somiaj | yukip: they are not, they change a lot of core stuff, have different policy. Are you talking about debian pure-blends? |
| 07:04.03 | somiaj | maybe on the surface it just looks like oh they have a different wm/de, but there is more to it than that. |
| 07:04.07 | yukip | nvm sorry |
| 07:04.29 | yukip | configs in the home dir :p |
| 07:04.43 | Agafnd | debian derivatives could both be running GNOME 3 and look pretty much the same, but be quite different |
| 07:05.10 | Agafnd | so I'd say it's rather opposite |
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| 07:08.09 | cryptic | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d8/Debian_family_tree_11-06.png more or less sums up the motivation behind #debian's "based on debian" policy |
| 07:10.50 | somiaj | The policy is a combination of two major factors. 1) It is very frustrating when we are trying to help someone and we give an answer that would work in Debian. The answer doesn't work, and after a long time we find out, oh you aren't running Debian -- so thus we don't expect to know what may or may not be different on a different distro. and 2) we are voulnteers here to support and build a community around |
| 07:10.56 | somiaj | Debian, and as such choose to be a support comunity for Debian, not its derivatives. |
| 07:11.22 | cryptic | exactly |
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| 07:12.59 | somiaj | I think the community is one thing that is overlooked when choosing an opensource project, from either a piece of software to a whole distro/os. |
| 07:13.28 | somiaj | at least until one needs help from the community |
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| 07:14.21 | cryptic | I'll be honest, though: The wheezy -> jessie transition really hit me hard because of systemd |
| 07:15.03 | somiaj | I personally had no issues with systemd, as it hid behind the sceens and as I got to know it, got to like it better for an init system. I think it overreaches, but things do evolve. |
| 07:15.44 | somiaj | I do know that edge cases (to many for say production confort) had issues with it, but I see more 'we don't like systemd' vs 'it is not working and the upgrades didn't deal with most major use cases' |
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| 07:16.08 | somiaj | or the issues with systemd were the learning curve of things not being were they used to be |
| 07:16.17 | cryptic | that was the issue for me |
| 07:16.49 | cryptic | getting used to something new was met with some resistence initially, but that's part of progress |
| 07:17.42 | somiaj | I like systemd as an init system. Now being integrated with my destkop -- it overreaches. |
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| 07:19.20 | cryptic | agreed. I run into problems on my desktop fairly often due to the overreach, especially since I'm running xfce4.12 on stretch. Sometimes rebooting results in a lost afternoon. |
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| 07:27.37 | cryptic | my biggest criticism of systemd isn't actually a technical one, but a licensing one: I really don't like that it's licensed under LGPL rather than GPLv3 |
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| 07:36.32 | Necrosporus | cryptic, Wait, it's licensed under GPL v3? |
| 07:36.58 | cryptic | Necrosporus: no. systemd was initially licensed under GPLv2, but it was changed to LGPLv2.1 in 2012 |
| 07:37.16 | cryptic | I think that was a bad choice |
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| 07:38.24 | Necrosporus | Why? |
| 07:38.52 | eipi10 | has anyone tried installing flashplugin-nonfree lately? |
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| 07:39.21 | missmbob | eipi10: it's broken #841373 |
| 07:39.22 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/841373 in pepperflashplugin-nonfree (closed): «mv: cannot stat 'unpackchrome/opt/google/chrome/PepperFlash/libpepflashplayer.so': No such file or directory»; severity: critical; opened: 2016-10-20; last modified: 2017-01-16. |
| 07:39.44 | cryptic | Necrosporus: because it violates debian's social contract with the free software community |
| 07:39.52 | missmbob | eipi10: use this https://gist.githubusercontent.com/ruario/215c365facfe8d3c5071/raw/ddf0c4e3e2a0a8ba8614c95011d4950c9617cfae/latest-pepper-flash.sh |
| 07:39.54 | Necrosporus | How so? |
| 07:40.08 | Necrosporus | systemd is GPL v3 compatible isn't it? |
| 07:40.18 | Necrosporus | Though I do not really see a benefit of systemd |
| 07:40.24 | missmbob | !ot |
| 07:40.24 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 07:40.27 | eipi10 | tx. I use the one for FF and get this: ERROR: wget failed to download https://fpdownload.adobe.com/get/flashplayer/pdc/24.0.0.186/flash_player_npapi_linux.i386.tar.gz |
| 07:40.32 | eipi10 | is it the same problem? |
| 07:40.34 | Necrosporus | latest freshly installed debian takes really long to load |
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| 07:42.30 | cryptic | Necrosporus: because it opens the door for proprietary derivative distributions to not respect users' freedom |
| 07:43.15 | Necrosporus | cryptic â #debian-offtopic if you want to continue |
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| 07:47.27 | eipi10 | I guess it's not the same problem. I installed flash-plugin a couple weeks ago, np. I only use b/c I am forced to. I would never otherwise. ..and I sure as hell wouldn't use any chrome, chromium. |
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| 07:55.50 | fishbulb | does hibernate work by default? gnome is set to "hibernate" when the battery is critical |
| 07:55.53 | fishbulb | but it doesn't |
| 07:56.29 | fishbulb | jessie stable 8.7 or whatever the latest stable one is |
| 07:56.56 | fishbulb | this is day 3 of debian |
| 07:58.40 | fishbulb | it doesn't seem to hibernate, if it did all the prior stuff would be restored |
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| 07:59.45 | musca | fishbulb: hibernation uses the swap space to save the memory state. Did you add enough swap? |
| 07:59.52 | fishbulb | always |
| 08:00.08 | fishbulb | actually what do you mean by enough |
| 08:00.14 | fishbulb | I have 8gb of ram and about 10 of swap |
| 08:00.27 | fishbulb | I thought that'd be enough |
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| 08:11.54 | tw | if you call `systemctl hibernate` directly does it properly resume? |
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| 08:41.06 | locklambart | sound and bluetooth is not working after updating kali linux. |
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| 08:43.12 | bazhang | #kali-linux for support locklambart |
| 08:43.40 | locklambart | thanks. |
| 08:43.46 | bazhang | np |
| 08:45.53 | locklambart | i cannot found this channel |
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| 08:47.32 | bazhang | locklambart, /join #kali-linux |
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| 08:48.22 | tomcres | !kali |
| 08:48.22 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
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| 08:59.12 | cimol | can anybody know this problm? |
| 08:59.14 | cimol | http://picpaste.com/Screenshot-3-HzRes7kG.png |
| 08:59.31 | cimol | while use fullscreen of app, then the panel like overlaying the bottom screen |
| 08:59.41 | cimol | i use debian fluxbox and fbpanel |
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| 09:19.46 | davin | hello |
| 09:19.57 | davin | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_X_window_managers |
| 09:20.07 | davin | http://www.xwinman.org/ |
| 09:20.12 | davin | i got a quick question homeboys |
| 09:20.20 | davin | it comes from the big guys upstairs |
| 09:20.24 | cimol | i use fluxbox |
| 09:20.25 | cimol | hehe |
| 09:20.33 | davin | yeah, fluxbox is nice |
| 09:20.35 | davin | i use it too |
| 09:20.40 | davin | (good idea to use fluxbox) |
| 09:21.04 | cimol | mm, may i ask a problm? |
| 09:21.12 | davin | between those two web sites and this one https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=window+manager&searchon=all&suite=stable§ion=all |
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| 09:21.27 | davin | what that encapsulate or include all window manager available in debian? |
| 09:21.35 | davin | what/would |
| 09:21.43 | davin | i feel kind of weird like something is missing |
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| 09:22.37 | cimol | mm im not sure hehee |
| 09:22.42 | cimol | im not an expert |
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| 09:23.40 | davin | i like debian packages |
| 09:23.43 | davin | and its a nice system |
| 09:23.52 | davin | (packages.debian.org) |
| 09:24.04 | davin | but if it had a bit more catagories, i think it would be better |
| 09:24.16 | davin | like through |
| 09:24.17 | davin | https://packages.debian.org/stable/ |
| 09:24.27 | davin | https://packages.debian.org/stable/x11/ |
| 09:24.36 | davin | there are just so, so many packages |
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| 09:24.50 | davin | it might take me a few days to look through (/stable/x11) packages site |
| 09:24.58 | cimol | yaa seems awesome, |
| 09:25.14 | cimol | sometimes maybe have to compile from source |
| 09:28.20 | davin | if i conduct a search via the web browser (control-f) for window manager (/stable/x11) this can be done faster |
| 09:28.34 | davin | but it feels like a junket way of doing things |
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| 09:30.14 | cimol | what about "apt-cache search" or "aptitude search" |
| 09:30.29 | fishbulb | hey how do I make the thinkpad middle scroll button permanent |
| 09:31.33 | davin | linux is not really a product for laptops |
| 09:31.45 | davin | laptops belong to microsoft, and people that do otherwise live an ill life |
| 09:31.55 | bazhang | davin thats false |
| 09:31.57 | davin | microsoft owns the laptop |
| 09:32.12 | bazhang | davin please stop with that here |
| 09:32.13 | davin | nope, davin is right you are young of something |
| 09:32.19 | cimol | edit the synaptics.conf , fishbulb |
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| 09:34.11 | cimol | i think this one solve it: https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Thinkpad/Trackpoint |
| 09:34.38 | cimol | https://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad |
| 09:34.46 | cimol | if u use synaptics |
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| 09:35.10 | davin | i don't have debian installed right, cimol |
| 09:35.16 | davin | to be able to conduct that search |
| 09:35.28 | davin | i'm looking around for some people i am working with |
| 09:35.35 | cimol | but dell brought linux as default os in some type, like my one hehee |
| 09:36.07 | cimol | and now, some vendor do that too, |
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| 09:36.39 | cimol | u must try it davin , its fun work with debian |
| 09:36.40 | cimol | :D |
| 09:36.56 | davin | yeah, linux is a nice system with lots of software |
| 09:37.01 | davin | i've been using it since about 1996 |
| 09:37.24 | davin | the packages of x11 that i like are fluxbow, window maker, enlightenment and twm |
| 09:37.30 | davin | the other comes with problems, as far as i see it |
| 09:37.49 | davin | my worry is about being a comprehensive list |
| 09:37.57 | davin | or maybe something being lost that shouldn't be |
| 09:38.02 | cimol | so am i, replace macro with this fluxbox, being lightweight and configurable |
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| 09:38.14 | cimol | the power of community , davin |
| 09:39.11 | davin | i live in clark |
| 09:39.13 | davin | and rehat is of meldor |
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| 09:39.24 | davin | meldor is an ill place, full of problems |
| 09:39.35 | davin | the dell site says that it runs suse (germany) and redhat, which is of meldor |
| 09:39.48 | davin | debian belongs go clark, and it doesn't run on laptops |
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| 09:40.21 | cimol | that two being commercial, like canonical with ubuntu as i know |
| 09:40.53 | cimol | i hope debian run as default os in future |
| 09:41.29 | davin | windows is an important product, and some places can't be without windows |
| 09:41.33 | davin | important software runs on windows |
| 09:41.45 | cimol | ya, i think so. |
| 09:41.45 | davin | a lot of things only run on windows |
| 09:41.51 | davin | like video games |
| 09:42.03 | davin | microsoft office |
| 09:42.05 | bub_ | what the.. |
| 09:42.10 | davin | multimedia software |
| 09:42.20 | cimol | but i just like debian |
| 09:42.23 | bub_ | is this trollol? |
| 09:42.27 | sterkh | yep |
| 09:42.32 | bub_ | aha.. |
| 09:42.33 | davin | thats good |
| 09:42.40 | davin | debian is an important develoment platform |
| 09:42.46 | cimol | i wipe out my windows , move to debian |
| 09:42.47 | davin | it has a lot of software for developers |
| 09:42.53 | davin | and even a lot of software for servers |
| 09:43.14 | xand | davin: stop talking |
| 09:43.16 | cimol | actually, i dont like windows from the first time i use my pc, hehee |
| 09:43.24 | davin | what kind of talk is that xand |
| 09:43.30 | bub_ | you're full of shit |
| 09:43.33 | davin | that is inappropriate |
| 09:43.38 | bub_ | I think that's what most silent peeps here are thinking right now |
| 09:43.39 | xand | davin: it means shut up. |
| 09:43.43 | cimol | let it go brothers, |
| 09:43.45 | cimol | :D hihihi |
| 09:43.49 | cimol | make this more hot |
| 09:43.53 | davin | i'm going to need to file a complaint here, xand |
| 09:43.55 | cimol | hotter |
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| 09:43.57 | davin | because you sound like a crack head |
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| 09:44.25 | davin | you're going to need to leave this area xand |
| 09:44.32 | davin | #debian of irc.debian.org |
| 09:44.40 | davin | is a sponsored site from http://www.debian.org/ |
| 09:44.46 | davin | and this kind of talk is incorrect |
| 09:44.53 | davin | you sound like a know-nothing to me |
| 09:45.03 | sterkh | shit.. |
| 09:45.11 | davin | this is an official avenue and you need to leave and never come back |
| 09:45.35 | davin | europe is a nothing country, by the way |
| 09:45.39 | davin | its full of stupid people like you |
| 09:46.00 | davin | this blood lines are stupid |
| 09:46.01 | bazhang | !ops | davin trolling |
| 09:46.02 | davin | everything is ours |
| 09:46.02 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: bazhang complains about: | davin trolling |
| 09:46.12 | bazhang | stop it now davin |
| 09:46.14 | davin | these |
| 09:46.32 | cimol | ops, seem like hotter, i leave, thanks |
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| 09:46.43 | davin | i don't know what you jut did, bazhang |
| 09:46.45 | davin | but you need to undo it |
| 09:48.06 | davin | what does trolling mean |
| 09:48.11 | davin | it sounds like you are confused of something |
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| 09:48.31 | OerHeks | guys, don't feed this troll :-) |
| 09:48.53 | gnugr | davin: this isn't a place to argue, is to provide help for Debian users |
| 09:49.00 | davin | this place sounds unreasonable, and it might be shutdown soon |
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| 09:49.06 | n3wborn | hi. I did copy an iso with dd, but i didn't think to make a second partition to use the "free" space (the remaining space in the disk). How can I do ? Can I reduce the part where the iso is copied and create a new one after it ? If you got a url which explain things to do easily... |
| 09:49.43 | davin | if this is what it is for, |
| 09:49.46 | davin | it won't be around for long |
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| 09:50.20 | davin | i'm going to have a talk with hp about this place |
| 09:50.32 | nkuttler | n3wborn: i don't think that's possible, as the iso overwrites the mbr? |
| 09:50.53 | nkuttler | and the partition table, presumably |
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| 09:51.14 | bub_ | :) |
| 09:51.16 | xand | n3wborn: an iso image doesn't have a partition table usually so you can't |
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| 09:53.36 | n3wborn | thanks for your help nkuttler, and xand, I'll delete all this and make all things needed. If I remember, kali linux show things interesting about this, they create an new partition after the first for the persistance one. |
| 09:53.56 | n3wborn | using parted if I remember. |
| 09:54.18 | n3wborn | I'll check that |
| 09:54.44 | nkuttler | n3wborn: fwiw, grub can book isos from disk, if that helps |
| 09:55.12 | n3wborn | nkuttler: ok |
| 09:55.24 | nkuttler | grub-imageboot |
| 09:55.38 | OerHeks | n3wborn, see this tread about persistent live usb http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=125471 |
| 09:55.54 | n3wborn | OerHeks: thanks ! |
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| 10:02.13 | ledufakademy | i'm seraching dedup inline tools / software or filesystem for debian 8 ? |
| 10:03.50 | fishbulb | hey, there's a middle scroll button for a thinkpad trackpoint |
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| 10:32.38 | georgia | I'm having some sound issues (specifically a lack of sound) after replacing gnome 3 with XFCE. Pavucontrol shows my digital stereo (HDMI) output as "unplugged". I installed pavucontrol because XFCE's native sound manager couldn't seem to fix the problem. Any tips? Using stable. |
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| 11:17.09 | steven_ | Is there a way to access manpages for an uninstalled program without using a browser? |
| 11:17.12 | fishbulb | um |
| 11:17.28 | fishbulb | how to make thinkpad trackpoint middle button scroll work |
| 11:17.29 | fishbulb | please |
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| 11:19.43 | fishbulb | what's this, where does this go ~/.xsessionrc |
| 11:19.49 | fishbulb | if something says make thta file, what is the path |
| 11:19.56 | fishbulb | that squiggle |
| 11:20.05 | fishbulb | root? |
| 11:20.18 | at0m | fishbulb: ~/ is your home. |
| 11:20.25 | ErkiDerLoony | steven_: Install the program. ;) |
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| 11:20.31 | fishbulb | okey dokey. is this specific to debian or what |
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| 11:22.30 | themill | steven_: manpages.debian.org |
| 11:22.47 | at0m | fishbulb: that's on any nix. |
| 11:23.34 | steven_ | Great. Thank you for the information. |
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| 11:26.42 | eipi10 | of course, adobe-flashplugin from ubuntu works great. |
| 11:26.53 | eipi10 | updated 5 days ago. |
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| 11:36.03 | dasj | hi I just installed a jessie server (just bare minimum, no gui, no extra packages) and I do not have framebuffer support (no /dev/fb0 available) ... how to enable it? |
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| 11:37.30 | BluesKaj | Hiyas all |
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| 11:39.08 | blkcff | Hi there |
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| 11:40.07 | blkcff | I have a question about my dovecot installation. I tried asking on #dovecot but noone was replying / talking there. Maybe some of you will know the answer |
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| 11:40.51 | blkcff | basically, I try to reach my dovecot on imap and it doesnât work from a remote host, although my vps is listening & open |
| 11:41.24 | blkcff | I can reach the server but when I try logging in (testing trough openssl on command line) I get no reply |
| 11:41.40 | blkcff | when I do the same locally, the login is successful |
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| 11:41.57 | blkcff | any idea where this problem could come from? |
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| 11:49.43 | no_gravity | Hello! When I ssh into a machine, can I see the titles of the windows I have open in X? |
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| 11:50.35 | Bliepo | Anyone have any expierence with the Asus PCE-AC68? It is a PCIE card with the BCM4360 chipset and I'm planning to use it to add router functionality to my Linux box. I need to know whether it 1) works reliably and 2) the driver can reach speeds at or near the level of the WIndows driver. I found info it should be supported but hope someone can confirm. |
| 11:53.32 | Bliepo | But I think this question might be better suited to the forums perhaps? |
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| 12:12.51 | cybrNaut | when clicking on an URL outside of a browser, what component is responsible for choosing a browser to launch? |
| 12:12.59 | cybrNaut | is that a gnome matter? |
| 12:13.41 | somiaj | kinda depends, xdg-open and mime-types is the most common thing now days, but not always the thing used |
| 12:14.19 | cybrNaut | ah, sounds familiar.. i'll look into configuring xdg-open |
| 12:14.21 | somiaj | sometimes the debian alterative system is used, which there are a bunch of various browser alternatives like www-browser, x-www-browser, gnome-www-browser |
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| 12:14.32 | somiaj | there are a few other tools like xdg-settings and xdg-mime |
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| 12:14.51 | cybrNaut | i didn't realize xdg-open worked on urls.. thought it was just files |
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| 12:17.52 | cybrNaut | running "xdg-settings get default-web-browser" returns "iceweasel.desktop" |
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| 12:24.58 | samba35 | how to do i find details of pci address which i want to add in libvirt bridge |
| 12:25.03 | samba35 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:27.01 | tx | lspci |
| 12:27.44 | samba35 | yes i try but which field to use where ? |
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| 12:29.15 | samba35 | how to find a domain ,bus,slot,function |
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| 12:30.11 | tx | samba35: try lspci -vD |
| 12:30.18 | tx | it will give you which physical slot each device is |
| 12:30.22 | tx | in, along with domain |
| 12:30.38 | samba35 | ok |
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| 12:32.17 | samba35 | 0000:00:19.0 0000 is domain and 00:19.0 is ? |
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| 12:34.31 | samba35 | with above example how do i put it to getter |
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| 12:54.21 | nikolov | how to use full hd resolution radeon free driver |
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| 12:56.30 | nikolov | !radeon |
| 12:56.31 | dpkg | Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by AMD/ATI (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>, <radeon audio>. https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon on irc.freenode.net. For the proprietary driver, see <fglrx>. |
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| 12:58.46 | cybrNaut | so I ran "cp /usr/share/applications/iceweasel.desktop ~/.local/share/applications/" and then edited iceweasel.desktop |
| 12:59.02 | cybrNaut | doesn't work.. still launches the previous browser |
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| 13:09.41 | MarkG1234 | hi, is there a way to permanently disable the firewall? I don't mean using rules and such, I mean turning it off completely. |
| 13:10.30 | MarkG1234 | Lots of conflicting and out of date information online :-( |
| 13:12.17 | MarkG1234 | Debian 8.0 |
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| 13:19.15 | somiaj | MarkG1234: debian does not include a firewall by default. YOu have to configure one yourself if you want it. |
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| 13:22.59 | AimHere | Well it doesn't include a configured firewall; iptables is part of the kernel and short of monkeying around with the kernel, it'll always be available |
| 13:23.34 | tw | The kernel firewall is not loaded by default. You have to turn it on first. |
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| 13:29.25 | cybrNaut | i was able to create a new icon for the default browser I want, but no way in that creation interface to make it a default. i think xdg-settings is the right tool.. but creating the gnome icon did not create a my-browser.desktop file |
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| 13:37.12 | hexnewbie | MarkG1234: I believe the iptables modules should be loaded after someone tries to add or list rules. If they are loaded, unloading may do the trick. Why do you care? It only matters for extreme latency-sensitive tasks |
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| 13:51.57 | Neobenedict | hi, I need to move all folders containing "FLAC" case insensitive to another directory. how do I do that? |
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| 13:55.01 | tomcres | find srcdir/ -type d -iname '*flac*' -exec mv '{}' destdir/ \; |
| 13:55.24 | rr4323 | hello sir ,can anyone help me to start driver programming |
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| 13:56.06 | Neobenedict | thanks |
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| 13:57.52 | tw | you can flip the arg order for mv around if it's a lot of smaller files. mv -t destdir '{}' + |
| 13:58.11 | tw | not relevant for .flac |
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| 14:06.37 | fnljk | Greetz.I just did "gpg --ken-key" (a non-root user) and generated a key,but while being a VM and intending to (usually..-not always!(??)) disable network interfaces on it, wonder if it wouldnt be a good idea to possibly store atleast one or few(?) private keys on individual encrypted containers.. any simply suggestion for command how to setup such easily, if there are any.. and eventually mount/di |
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| 14:08.04 | fnljk | And also if anyone know, if it'd presumably be any point to even, couple some.. disk/ram-wiping utility alongside the closure fo that after its use, along with other potential features assuming host OS or hardware were to be presumed compromised |
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| 14:09.18 | nik | hi rr4323 |
| 14:09.27 | rr4323 | hello sir |
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| 14:12.23 | fnljk | I noticed there are several disk-wiping utilities.. sorry to say I'm kinda newb to LInux in general, but I found at least two seemingly accessible by default thru debian's "apt-get install .."; being "dcfldd" and "secure-delete" -- seeing theres an other supposed "improved" similar tool on Sourceforge.net named "dc3dd" -- any idea this was not included similarly, or may be best avoided.. ? |
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| 14:14.00 | fnljk | I mainly want to find a simple way to secure my private gpg keys intiially, and preferrably before I get onto fetching other install disks, tools etc, for later use as well,knowing to ensure the integrity of my own meanas of verification, and hopefully getting into a habit of consistently verifying the signing keys of software manually downloaded, as often recommended but i guess typically negelct |
| 14:15.23 | fnljk | ..neglected, as I have so far at least.. hoping won't be too much hassle to change. I feel it may all be futile given my keys are not felt given max security, and a vulnerability siphoning or manipulating my keys could potentially ..seemingly anyway, lead to ease of later exploitation of my system for example then,.. |
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| 14:15.48 | mingdao | fnljk: can't understand your goal, here, but this might be of interest https://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/ATA_Secure_Erase |
| 14:15.51 | fnljk | or,would it over overly paranoid and a hassle to attempt securing ones gpg-keys on encrypted containers ? |
| 14:16.06 | fnljk | cool, many thanks -- will check it ! |
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| 14:18.53 | fnljk | hm, seems yet anothear disk-wiping utility, or guide for use possibly? If not included in standard repo, any reason to trust it more(and to remain as such) than the other tools; in terms of forensic-data recovery resilience, or for other areas in use related to securing eventual residual traces of sensitive data after use of ones gpgp keys? |
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| 14:23.50 | fnljk | Could you also tell--assuming this would be somewhat relevant and justify its use, if non-default app especcialy- if any benefit in mounting VMs as such and emulate an ATA-drive, as it appears to depend on , in regards to ensuring forensic-data recovery prevention, and if you actually think it has any merit in comparison to the..for example specialized anti-forensic wiping utilities... |
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| 14:25.11 | fnljk | I'm just a bit worried using non-default apps possibly each requiring active follow-up, and also lesser-known ones atleast if not proving efficient against the public forensic analysis tools.. unless there'd be some advantage forcing ATA disks for this all, for sake of that tool? |
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| 14:25.27 | fnljk | Sorry--im very newb to deb & nix in general... |
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| 14:27.11 | fnljk | Just, wish to feel safe about my gpg keys and their more-or-less remaining security,possibly seperating on different encrypted containiners, if to ever feel I can trust too much.. being newb and all, depending on these in presumed hostile environments (public wifi example), if compromised thru a simple neglectably unpatched vulnerabiliy, or something..sounds possible disaster..:z |
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| 14:28.10 | nik_123roll | Hello guys can anyone help me in installing counter strike in debian |
| 14:28.29 | fnljk | I thought basic things like..at least changing default location for keys, signs of them in the first place, some basic semi-automated steganographic methods and/or mounting encrypted containers to use them from by default, could be good common practice--given initial setup enabling some automation may not be too hard, or bad iidea? |
| 14:29.01 | fnljk | nik_123roll: did you install steam ? |
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| 14:29.18 | fnljk | nik_123roll: do you have desktop/gui ? logged on to steam...installing frmo there, bu getting X error, orrr |
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| 14:29.25 | mingdao | fnljk: these questions are better answered by #gnupg and reading the GnuPG documentation |
| 14:29.30 | nik_123roll | Yes I have gui |
| 14:29.58 | rr4323 | sir just joun the channel |
| 14:30.05 | fnljk | oh.. thanks I asked in gnugpg but it was too much to answer at the time apparently. The documentation doesn't seem to mention much beyond the generation abnd use of the program I think |
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| 14:31.22 | nik_123roll | Is it possible to play counter strike on debian |
| 14:31.33 | fnljk | I wish to also ensure to continued protection of these keys, some intended eventually be used for signing texts I wish to hope remain some integrity of and not having accessible without my direct physical need for and control of.. but maybe its over-kill and paranoid witht hese measures...? |
| 14:31.53 | fnljk | nik_123roll: pretty sure that's np. what hapepned when you tried install steam then..? |
| 14:32.06 | fnljk | or, failing that, tried Wine..? |
| 14:32.30 | towo` | CS don't need wine |
| 14:32.40 | fnljk | Sorry im kinda big newb to nix in general myself raelly.. :z mostly only ever used terminal aswell. But given Steams extended Linux support, pretty sure shouldbnt be hard |
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| 14:32.56 | towo` | and as long the problem is not described, no one will help |
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| 14:33.24 | fnljk | yeah.cool..not me being confused and wondering if yet another thing im too newb to even understand what is meant with, then:P =) |
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| 14:34.19 | fnljk | anyway....guess I'mm try hop onto some various container-encryption tools and stash at least some more-or-less trusted gpg keys on those, then... assuming that at least may not be futile/pointless , or anything.. |
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| 14:34.57 | nik_123roll | Ok thanks for your time I will try to install again and remember your advices |
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| 14:35.12 | fnljk | just one more thing in this regards...after having been opebed for use, example signing a document, read frmo a temporarily mounted encrypted container... would there potentailly be residual sensitive data in RAM, or .. anywhere on disk as a consequence warranting a disk-wiping utilitty of sorts used? |
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| 14:35.57 | fnljk | been opened for use * (enabled system read-access to, and read from() |
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| 14:37.37 | fnljk | hmm...this gon be tricky for a nab, i guess....but guess imma be stuck trying to do some sort of analysis eventually, then..any changes as such, given ease of implementing some automation in these processes... would wanna ensure no leaks or anything , then |
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| 14:38.18 | fnljk | ..orrrr.....considering so few replies, does it sound very over-kill or paranoid even-- for anyhting but exception cases at least..? |
| 14:40.36 | fnljk | Sorry,if my english is bad, of failed to express myself properly, or whatevear..... I just intend to feel safe about the integrity of my GPG-keys, of which I'll depend on following further download & install of programs with.. would have thought those being commonly used and treasured, if to trust .. |
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| 14:41.50 | fnljk | ..as...it is idd commonly reccomended, seemingly, to verify downloads after completion to ensure authenticity corresponding with key signed by publisher at least.. and this being .. quite basic to anyone setting up a system with any data .. not wanting to be reckles with..? |
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| 14:42.15 | fnljk | ..i thought it wasn't just me typically veriying DLs as such, but..been intendeding to get a habit of, as often strongly encouraged to! |
| 14:42.22 | fnljk | typically not * |
| 14:43.42 | fnljk | Hope to get my initialø Deb disk onto ther VM and these things as as test, and verify--tho ofc, presumed fine anyway-- as eventually hopefully being my main OS... itself not being verified sounds kindaa...lacking, if to trust it later on to suppy verification further. |
| 14:44.48 | fnljk | May I ask do ppl commonly use GPG keys much at all...or is this just me giving this some thoughts as a potentially valuable tool to try automate and ease use of as much as possible? Seems safe and resilient,given recipient of messages would be equally equipped... |
| 14:45.43 | fnljk | ...surely "end to end encrypted" apps; as claimed by publisher anyway, imo. anyway...is stupid trusting for this reason--not doing it oneself, seemingly noone, almost..... enables a massive vulnerability among many ppl, trusting these words by randomers, id think..:d |
| 14:45.46 | fnljk | but ye i dno.. |
| 14:46.09 | fnljk | simply adding some gpg msg inside such apps , too, if easy..can't hurt, eh |
| 14:46.43 | fnljk | Anyway, if none do have info on use of, and eventual securing.......guess itll be one o fmy initial tasks for learning nix then... sounds trickty :d |
| 14:48.04 | TandyUK | hmm ok, anyoen had a realtek 8168 card killed by debian? |
| 14:48.33 | TandyUK | i was somehow on stretch, updated last night, and after doing so have zero rx packetso n this nic (have swapped cables, switchh, etc) |
| 14:48.54 | TandyUK | i had put it down to a bug in stretch, but now the jessie installer cant dhcp an ip, or ping anythign when manually set |
| 14:49.01 | TandyUK | 4 other nics in the system are fine however |
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| 14:51.01 | dvs | TandyUK, firmware iso? |
| 14:51.33 | TandyUK | just the standard 8.7.1 netinst |
| 14:52.18 | dvs | TandyUK, I'm saying that you might have better luck with the firmware ISO. Sometimes the 8168 work without firmware but some only work with it. |
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| 14:52.37 | TandyUK | well prior to 9pm last night, this worked fine for years lol |
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| 14:53.41 | TandyUK | you got a link to 'firmware iso'? |
| 14:53.58 | dvs | !tell TandyUK about firmware iso |
| 14:53.58 | TandyUK | or do you just mean the full cd/dvd iso? |
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| 14:54.13 | TandyUK | ty |
| 14:54.28 | dvs | np |
| 14:55.19 | seoner | Reading package lists... Done |
| 14:55.21 | seoner | Why do I get it twice? |
| 14:55.49 | TandyUK | christ the firmware iso isnt exactly a lot bigger :P |
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| 14:58.26 | seoner | maybe becouse I run 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' ? |
| 14:58.54 | TandyUK | tbh im leaning towards a buggered mobo, and just coincidental timing, as POST'ing is now taking a lot longer than it ought to |
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| 15:03.19 | TandyUK | and i get the same problem with the firmware iso |
| 15:03.31 | TandyUK | nic is just never recieveing any packets it appears |
| 15:03.39 | TandyUK | switch is certainly sending them |
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| 15:09.46 | jhutchins | seoner: Obious test is to do themseparately. |
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| 15:19.45 | nickenchuggets | morning |
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| 15:20.28 | NapoleonWils0n | hi all |
| 15:20.49 | SpeccyMan | afternoon |
| 15:20.59 | NapoleonWils0n | docker.io wont install for me on debian sid, progresbar gets stuck at 80% |
| 15:21.15 | NapoleonWils0n | also gets stuck on creating docker group |
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| 15:36.38 | fishbulb | hey if I'm installing something from github, how do I reverse the process if it doesn't work |
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| 15:37.08 | nickenchuggets | AWS is interesting... |
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| 15:37.37 | NapoleonWils0n | fishbulb manually remove everything probably |
| 15:37.40 | nickenchuggets | I'm trying out the AWS trial thingy |
| 15:38.15 | fishbulb | do you mean go back and look at EVERYTHING that was installed, and manually remove every part of it? |
| 15:38.30 | fishbulb | surely there's a more automated way of undoing something you just did? |
| 15:39.03 | NapoleonWils0n | nickenchuggets if you add ?torrent to the url of items in your amazon bucker they become torrents |
| 15:39.12 | NapoleonWils0n | amazon works as the torrent tracker |
| 15:39.30 | nickenchuggets | funky |
| 15:39.52 | NapoleonWils0n | eg: http://amazonbucket.com/video.mkv?torrent |
| 15:40.03 | NapoleonWils0n | will turn the video link into a torrent |
| 15:40.10 | mtn | fishbulb, was it a .deb? |
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| 15:41.33 | NapoleonWils0n | it depends if it was a deb or if you downloaded source and did a make install |
| 15:41.41 | Neobenedict | alright guys new challenge since the old one missed some things |
| 15:41.57 | Neobenedict | i need to move some folders into a new directory, provided those folders contain a file with the extension .flac |
| 15:42.02 | Neobenedict | how do i do that |
| 15:42.17 | NapoleonWils0n | find and xargs |
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| 15:43.54 | tw | ind . -name '*.flac' -exec 'dirname' {} \+ | sort -u | xargs mv -t destpath |
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| 15:44.03 | Neobenedict | oh dirname |
| 15:44.05 | Neobenedict | thanks |
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| 15:44.21 | fishbulb | how do I add sudo |
| 15:44.35 | Neobenedict | apt-get install sudo? |
| 15:44.44 | tw | there's probably a way to do it in find without sort -u, but it's convenient that way. |
| 15:44.53 | tw | may want to make sure . is not included first. |
| 15:44.57 | NapoleonWils0n | then you should use visudo and add your self to the sudoers file |
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| 15:45.38 | fishbulb | what's visudo and where is the sudoers file? |
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| 15:45.54 | tw | if you use visudo, it doesn't matter where the sudoers file is. |
| 15:46.07 | NapoleonWils0n | visudo will use the vi text editor to edit the sudoers file |
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| 15:46.14 | Neobenedict | visudo is magic. |
| 15:46.24 | NapoleonWils0n | so you need to learn how to use vi |
| 15:46.34 | Neobenedict | export EDITOR=nano |
| 15:46.36 | Neobenedict | no you don't |
| 15:46.36 | Neobenedict | ;) |
| 15:47.07 | fishbulb | I like nano |
| 15:47.13 | NapoleonWils0n | true but its good to know how to use vi |
| 15:47.32 | NapoleonWils0n | fishbulb vim is a much better editor than nano |
| 15:47.46 | fishbulb | stuff that works first |
| 15:47.49 | BluesKaj | fishbulb, sudo visudo then add, username ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL |
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| 15:48.04 | zykotick9 | fishbulb: note, if you install sudo, and add your user to the sudo group, then logout/backin sudo will work. |
| 15:48.07 | fishbulb | the problem is I can't sudo |
| 15:48.21 | zykotick9 | BluesKaj: ^ |
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| 15:48.47 | Neobenedict | tw: that works up until | xargs mv -t destpath |
| 15:48.51 | fishbulb | how do I add my user to that group? |
| 15:48.54 | Neobenedict | which reports some error about mismatched quotes |
| 15:48.59 | smhar | greetings |
| 15:49.05 | Neobenedict | xargs: unmatched single quote; by default quotes are special to xargs unless you use the -0 option |
| 15:49.05 | Neobenedict | mv: cannot stat â./12â: No such file or directory |
| 15:49.09 | BluesKaj | fishbulb, then yourelf to the sudo group as root |
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| 15:49.26 | zykotick9 | fishbulb: as root "adduser YOURUSERNAME sudo" is one method. |
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| 15:49.45 | NapoleonWils0n | should be username ALL=(ALL) ALL in sudoers |
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| 15:49.49 | tw | Neobenedict: yeah, you'll have to get sort to output null terminated list entries. maybe tr '\n' $'\0' before mv? |
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| 15:50.13 | smhar | I am trying to build a virtual LAMP server, I downloaded netinst iso and installed it in virtualbox, but I ended up with a 1.8GB of used space!!! |
| 15:50.18 | Neobenedict | tr: when not truncating set1, string2 must be non-empty |
| 15:50.22 | smhar | Am I doing something wrong? |
| 15:50.28 | Neobenedict | tw: since all i'm doing is taring them anyway, i'll just output to a file |
| 15:50.31 | Neobenedict | and tar -T file |
| 15:50.32 | tw | Neobenedict: drop the $ perhaps? play with it. |
| 15:50.33 | Neobenedict | or whatever the syntax is |
| 15:50.43 | smhar | this is a headless, console mode server |
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| 15:51.22 | fishbulb | what's the one command I type to add me as a user to the sudoer file |
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| 15:51.41 | fishbulb | because I parsed those sentences and they still don't mean much to me |
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| 15:51.50 | BluesKaj | fishbulb, username ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 15:51.53 | tw | fishbulb: sudo usermod -a -G sudo username |
| 15:52.04 | NapoleonWils0n | https://wiki.debian.org/sudo |
| 15:52.14 | tw | Or I guess not sudo, since you don't have that yet ;) |
| 15:52.19 | tw | but from root, you can do that. |
| 15:52.21 | NapoleonWils0n | always read the manual :) |
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| 15:52.54 | NapoleonWils0n | if your root drop the sudo from the command |
| 15:53.17 | NapoleonWils0n | # usermod -a -G sudo username |
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| 15:53.54 | Neobenedict | tw: is there a way to make that provide the top level directores only |
| 15:54.07 | Neobenedict | ie atm i get ie /Album/Disc 1, /Album/Disc 2 |
| 15:54.14 | Neobenedict | when I just want /Album/ |
| 15:54.21 | NapoleonWils0n | you can change the depth of directorys it searchs with find |
| 15:54.34 | Neobenedict | it needs to search full depth of all directories |
| 15:54.34 | fishbulb | usermod -a -G sudo username ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL ? |
| 15:54.34 | NapoleonWils0n | maxdepth i think it is |
| 15:54.43 | tw | NapoleonWils0n: he wants "directories containing .flac files", max depth will mess that up. |
| 15:54.43 | Neobenedict | but only provide the top level directory as a result |
| 15:54.47 | fishbulb | that command? |
| 15:54.47 | Neobenedict | yeah |
| 15:55.00 | tw | fishbulb: no, omit everything after username |
| 15:55.00 | Neobenedict | atm it'd miss say "Album/Artwork" |
| 15:55.14 | Neobenedict | but if I can just cut off the stuff after the second slash that works too |
| 15:55.25 | Neobenedict | through some other operator |
| 15:55.27 | Neobenedict | command |
| 15:55.28 | Neobenedict | w/e |
| 15:55.53 | Neobenedict | and can | uniq it |
| 15:56.26 | tw | sed -e 's@\(./[^/]*\)/.*$@\1@' |
| 15:56.28 | NapoleonWils0n | you can use sort with -u as well |
| 15:56.30 | NapoleonWils0n | sort -u |
| 15:57.24 | NapoleonWils0n | i love regexes, make sense when you write them, but a bugger to decypher later |
| 15:57.25 | dontknow | how can someone write a code like "'s@\(./[^/]*\)/.*$@\1@'" WTF |
| 15:58.08 | tw | you're going to hate it more when you realize regexes in sed have different escape requirements than say javascript or python. |
| 15:58.28 | NapoleonWils0n | bash pattern matches as well: @(http|https)://[a-zA-Z0-9:0-9./?=_@%-]*\.@(mkv|mp4|avi|flv) |
| 15:58.30 | tomcres | I can make sense of it character-by-character, but looking at it all at once it just looks like terminal barf :-D |
| 15:58.50 | tw | it is terminal barf. |
| 15:59.36 | Tom01 | How can I install the latest Flash-Player on Debian 8? |
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| 16:00.07 | NapoleonWils0n | isnt that like putting a turd in the punch bowl |
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| 16:01.01 | NapoleonWils0n | doesnt google chrome have flash installed in the package |
| 16:01.11 | NapoleonWils0n | chromiumm doesnt have flash but i think chrome does |
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| 16:01.54 | Neobenedict | lmao |
| 16:02.07 | Neobenedict | yeah flash seems to be broken atm |
| 16:02.15 | Neobenedict | installing it, at least |
| 16:02.18 | BluesKaj | chrome has it's own plugin that seems towork |
| 16:02.38 | tomcres | you can always download the .tar.gz from Adobe and follow the instructions |
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| 16:02.54 | fishbulb | can I just get the command to add myself to the sudoers file? |
| 16:03.05 | fishbulb | assuming I'm root? |
| 16:03.13 | BluesKaj | fishbulb, sudo visudo then add, username ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 16:03.28 | NapoleonWils0n | https://wiki.debian.org/sudo |
| 16:03.35 | tw | fishbulb: if you added yourself to the sudo group, it should just work now. |
| 16:03.37 | zykotick9 | BluesKaj: you can't use sudo to add a use to sudo... |
| 16:04.00 | NapoleonWils0n | BluesKaj why the nopasswd |
| 16:04.11 | fishbulb | because he copy pasted something |
| 16:04.21 | BluesKaj | sudo visudo works, try it zykotick9 |
| 16:04.22 | fishbulb | without any regard to the actual question |
| 16:04.43 | zykotick9 | doesn't have sudo on his system, so can't... but interesting. sorry, my bad. |
| 16:05.22 | NapoleonWils0n | # apt get install sudo |
| 16:05.28 | NapoleonWils0n | visudo |
| 16:05.45 | NapoleonWils0n | username ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 16:05.53 | NapoleonWils0n | job done |
| 16:07.13 | fishbulb | why isn't this enabled by default |
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| 16:08.06 | zykotick9 | fishbulb: the "sudo" group is enabled by default to use sudo, but you're using a different method... |
| 16:08.11 | TandyUK | sudo isnt installed by default |
| 16:08.18 | tw | it is if you don't set a root password when you install. |
| 16:08.32 | tw | and it does automatically add your user to sudoers. |
| 16:08.37 | TandyUK | tw: didnt even know that was an option lol |
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| 16:08.54 | fishbulb | I put that anywhere in the file? |
| 16:09.02 | tw | Bottom of the file, usually. |
| 16:09.03 | fishbulb | username all |
| 16:09.28 | tw | sudoers is evaluated in order. |
| 16:09.34 | tw | Not that it matters in this case, but it may someday. |
| 16:09.46 | BluesKaj | tw itdidn't auto add me to sudo when I installed stretch |
| 16:10.06 | tw | You left the root password blank? |
| 16:10.15 | BluesKaj | no |
| 16:10.20 | tw | that's the precondition |
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| 16:12.49 | AvatarA | seems people don't read the text in the installer steps |
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| 16:13.33 | fishbulb | https://github.com/numixproject/numix-gtk-theme this says there is an existing debian package |
| 16:13.40 | fishbulb | that is able to just be installed |
| 16:13.57 | fishbulb | it doesn't work though |
| 16:14.24 | ompaul | apt-get install numix-gtk-theme doesn't work? |
| 16:14.35 | fishbulb | sure doesn't |
| 16:14.36 | TandyUK | you mean enter, enter, enter isnt right :P |
| 16:14.50 | ompaul | fishbulb: which version of debian are you using? |
| 16:15.03 | fishbulb | the one probably everyone is |
| 16:15.06 | ompaul | ,v numix-gtk-theme |
| 16:15.07 | fishbulb | stable |
| 16:15.08 | judd | Package: numix-gtk-theme on amd64 -- sid: 2.6.6-1; stretch: 2.6.6-1 |
| 16:15.09 | TandyUK | sory, enter, enter, setup netowrking, enter, enter, type pw, type user, tpye pw, enter, enter, enter |
| 16:15.21 | ompaul | so it doesn't exist for stable it's only for the next release |
| 16:15.28 | fishbulb | for fucks sake |
| 16:15.35 | ompaul | no, for real |
| 16:15.37 | fishbulb | ok can I use backports |
| 16:15.48 | TandyUK | fishbulb: TESTING |
| 16:15.53 | TandyUK | use at your own risk lol |
| 16:16.04 | fishbulb | where do I enable testing? |
| 16:16.05 | ompaul | you can consider backports, what if it changes your local gtk and breaks the box |
| 16:16.18 | tw | it's not in backports anyway. |
| 16:16.22 | ompaul | you turn off stable and up it to stretch |
| 16:16.25 | missmbob | ompaul: because of how that particular package is, you can just download the testing version online and then dpkg -i to install it without problems |
| 16:16.30 | TandyUK | i have a dead fileserver here now because of some random thing stretch did to my nic lol |
| 16:16.33 | fishbulb | I dunno. arch seemed to use all the latest stuff and I never broke anything |
| 16:16.45 | TandyUK | they go use arch |
| 16:16.54 | TandyUK | debian is known for lagging behind, usually deliberately |
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| 16:17.06 | TandyUK | thats _WHY_ a lot of us prefer to use debian |
| 16:17.08 | fishbulb | yeah and some things I want to be new |
| 16:17.28 | fishbulb | how do I get this one? |
| 16:17.32 | ompaul | fishbulb: find your own compromise and then live with the consequences. :-) |
| 16:17.36 | missmbob | fishbulb: i told you how |
| 16:17.43 | TandyUK | then use testing, and dont whine when your system breaks completely without warning |
| 16:18.01 | ompaul | you can't have your cake and eat it |
| 16:18.03 | ompaul | so they say |
| 16:18.04 | AvatarA | it won't break completely but you'll have more maintenance |
| 16:18.05 | NapoleonWils0n | i use sid |
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| 16:18.12 | fishbulb | is there a reason debian will break immediately and without warning if I use newer packages |
| 16:18.29 | missmbob | fishbulb: did you see what i said? it wont in this case |
| 16:18.31 | ompaul | NapoleonWils0n: as I have for so many years it scares me |
| 16:18.32 | TandyUK | the clue is in the repo name no? TESTING / unstable |
| 16:18.32 | fishbulb | like is there some secret debian reason that could happen? |
| 16:18.45 | TandyUK | as in hasnt been fully tested and ready for release yet |
| 16:18.58 | tw | It's not debian specific. If you mess up your libraries and they stop being the correct version, applications break. |
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| 16:19.17 | AvatarA | new software = new bugs, short story; long story is longer |
| 16:19.32 | fishbulb | I'm willing to take the gamble on some icons |
| 16:19.33 | missmbob | fuck he just doesnt listen |
| 16:19.44 | fishbulb | I'm listening to everything you are fucking babbling about |
| 16:19.46 | TandyUK | let him find out the hard way |
| 16:19.51 | BluesKaj | fishbulb, think you need to do some of your own research or go back to arch if it's so damn wonderful |
| 16:19.55 | TandyUK | you have a backup of the stuff on your system right fishbulb |
| 16:19.56 | ompaul | fishbulb: you get to choose but be warned if you continue with that path someone here when it is too late will tell the bot to tell y0ou this |
| 16:20.03 | AvatarA | icons, cursors and stuff like that I would just copy to my home directory where it should be, not install .debs |
| 16:20.03 | ompaul | !dontbreakdebian |
| 16:20.04 | dpkg | rumour has it, dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 16:20.14 | NapoleonWils0n | arch is great but takes time to set up |
| 16:20.18 | tw | fishbulb: you can just install the package from sid, like missmbob said. |
| 16:20.20 | missmbob | "dont break debian" doesn't apply to THIS package |
| 16:20.31 | ompaul | fishbulb: you can do many things to before it breaks - but when you do then you are on your own |
| 16:20.45 | fishbulb | how do I install it from sid please |
| 16:20.54 | Tom01 | Google Chrome Flash works. Thanks. |
| 16:20.55 | missmbob | fishbulb: download from http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/n/numix-gtk-theme/numix-gtk-theme_2.6.6-1_all.deb then dpkg -i to install |
| 16:21.11 | Tom01 | although I would prefer Firefox |
| 16:21.19 | NapoleonWils0n | i see you can also use apt to install debs which is pretty cool |
| 16:21.33 | fishbulb | thanks |
| 16:21.35 | NapoleonWils0n | and it will pull in the dependencies |
| 16:21.42 | TandyUK | fishbulb you read the DontbreakDebian page you were linked right? |
| 16:21.49 | TandyUK | whats youre about to do comes under point number 1 |
| 16:22.02 | missmbob | TandyUK: NOT for *this* package. god |
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| 16:22.31 | fishbulb | yeah I totally fed the.. monkeys.. like you said |
| 16:22.44 | TandyUK | you hope ;) |
| 16:23.01 | NapoleonWils0n | fishbulb you only have to worry when they start throwing their poo at you |
| 16:23.10 | NapoleonWils0n | monkeys are known to do that |
| 16:23.12 | TandyUK | it shoudltn, but random bugs are random ;) |
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| 16:23.29 | fishbulb | I'm going with frustrated angry guy |
| 16:23.41 | ompaul | fishbulb: have you read what missbob told ya? |
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| 16:24.10 | fishbulb | what missmbob said the only thing I'm paying attention to actually |
| 16:24.12 | ompaul | fishbulb: also read the page I pointed you too for other works |
| 16:24.26 | NapoleonWils0n | always better to have an understand of how something works than just running commands |
| 16:24.55 | fishbulb | it always is, and I'm sure you learned all of debian immediately |
| 16:24.59 | ompaul | fishbulb: what looks like mission creep to you looks like complete breakdown in logic to most people here when something appears to be small and breaking your machine |
| 16:25.25 | NapoleonWils0n | im always rtfm first |
| 16:25.26 | ompaul | fishbulb: no, in fact I know what I don't know. That gives me some advantages. |
| 16:25.48 | fishbulb | never try anything? |
| 16:25.52 | fishbulb | ok |
| 16:25.52 | ompaul | game set and match to dontbreakdebian next time |
| 16:26.27 | TandyUK | try stuff as you wish, just make sure yo uhave a backup of anything important firt :) |
| 16:26.30 | NapoleonWils0n | sometimes breaking stuff is a good way to learn, as long as you figure out how to fix it |
| 16:26.30 | TandyUK | first* |
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| 16:26.57 | ompaul | or as we say in other places |
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| 16:27.05 | ompaul | It really depends on what you care about. |
| 16:27.08 | fishbulb | I see that missmbob has stopped even responding, is it possible that your insistence that this will break EVERYTHING has annoyed him |
| 16:27.22 | ompaul | that was not what was claimed, nor said. |
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| 16:27.41 | ompaul | Your claim is wrong. |
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| 16:27.45 | TandyUK | no said it WILL |
| 16:27.53 | NapoleonWils0n | its always good idea to double check from other sources what a command will do |
| 16:27.56 | TandyUK | you were just warned to be aware of the fact it _could_ |
| 16:28.08 | ompaul | What was said - it might - if it does and you did it through a random deed you may be on your own. |
| 16:28.13 | NapoleonWils0n | like 2nd opinion from a doctor |
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| 16:29.01 | fishbulb | my username isn't in the sudoers file still |
| 16:29.06 | ompaul | NapoleonWils0n: when asked for a second opinion, I offered the person they were ugly also --- oh how we laughed |
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| 16:29.19 | NapoleonWils0n | lol mate |
| 16:29.39 | ompaul | fishbulb: have you a root password or did someone else set the machine up - the first user is a sudoer if the box was set up with it |
| 16:29.48 | NapoleonWils0n | fishbulb you need to edit the sudoers file with visudo and add your user to the sudoers file |
| 16:29.52 | ompaul | if you don't have a root password |
| 16:29.58 | ompaul | and you are not in the sudoers file |
| 16:30.06 | ompaul | you might ask whomsoever set the box up |
| 16:30.11 | fishbulb | I do, that's apparently why sudo isn't here |
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| 16:30.27 | TandyUK | so apt-get install sudo first ;) |
| 16:30.31 | ompaul | or |
| 16:30.32 | ompaul | su - |
| 16:30.40 | TandyUK | after su - to get to a root prompt |
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| 16:30.48 | NapoleonWils0n | or ad your user to the sudo group |
| 16:30.48 | ompaul | do the wget thing and dpkg -i |
| 16:30.53 | NapoleonWils0n | # usermod -aG sudo username |
| 16:31.07 | ompaul | sudo -l removes root iirc |
| 16:31.13 | ompaul | I could be corrected on that |
| 16:31.14 | fishbulb | username is my username right |
| 16:31.23 | ompaul | use |
| 16:31.23 | NapoleonWils0n | yes fishbulb |
| 16:31.25 | ompaul | yes |
| 16:31.44 | NapoleonWils0n | so as root do: usermod -aG sudo fishbulb |
| 16:31.56 | NapoleonWils0n | or whatever you username is |
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| 16:32.25 | NapoleonWils0n | so steps are 1: apt install root 2: usermod -aG sudo username |
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| 16:32.33 | NapoleonWils0n | apt install sudo |
| 16:32.39 | NapoleonWils0n | for 1 |
| 16:32.54 | fishbulb | it says myusername is not in the sudoers file |
| 16:32.55 | ompaul | I keep forgetting that apt is now a command |
| 16:33.02 | ompaul | almost 20 years of happy down the drain |
| 16:33.05 | fishbulb | after that command NapoleonWils0n |
| 16:33.21 | NapoleonWils0n | yes sorry mate 1: apt install sudo |
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| 16:33.29 | fishbulb | yes I did that of course |
| 16:33.30 | NapoleonWils0n | 2: usermod -aG sudo username |
| 16:33.54 | TomTomTo1 | you have to log out afterwards. |
| 16:34.07 | fishbulb | ah right. |
| 16:34.10 | steven___ | q |
| 16:34.16 | NapoleonWils0n | do a reboot to be sure |
| 16:34.44 | fishbulb | and then it still uses the root password for sudo |
| 16:35.01 | NapoleonWils0n | no you use your own password with sudo |
| 16:35.14 | NapoleonWils0n | not the root password |
| 16:35.21 | fishbulb | I thought that was the point of sudo |
| 16:35.34 | fishbulb | going superuser for just that command |
| 16:35.42 | NapoleonWils0n | no the point is so you dont have to use the root password |
| 16:36.15 | NapoleonWils0n | yes it give your elevated permissions, but you have added yourself to the sudo group |
| 16:36.28 | NapoleonWils0n | so you can use your password and not the root password |
| 16:36.50 | NapoleonWils0n | that way if you have lots of users on the system you give them sudo permissions and not the root password |
| 16:36.51 | BluesKaj | NapoleonWils0n, I missed your questio about no password, ...I was assuming hew wanted to run sudo without having to use his pw everytime |
| 16:37.20 | majorgeek | sudo -i |
| 16:37.43 | NapoleonWils0n | i do like the sudo insults |
| 16:37.43 | fishbulb | that is the worst idea ever |
| 16:37.59 | NapoleonWils0n | fishbulb you mean about sudo |
| 16:38.12 | fishbulb | about using no password for root commands |
| 16:38.26 | majorgeek | you can make an alias |
| 16:38.31 | NapoleonWils0n | ah right yes thats why i didnt recommend you do that |
| 16:38.52 | fishbulb | did you give me the command which did that? |
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| 16:39.41 | NapoleonWils0n | no i didnt give you command to do that. the command i gave you will add you to sudo group and then you use your password with sudo |
| 16:39.46 | majorgeek | my password is 64 chars |
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| 16:40.01 | NapoleonWils0n | majorgeek man after my own heart |
| 16:40.03 | majorgeek | imagine having to type it ever time |
| 16:40.06 | tw | you've got a lot of time to type if you aren't using smartcard login XD |
| 16:40.13 | fishbulb | ok it should be done, cheers |
| 16:40.27 | NapoleonWils0n | fishbulb do a rboot and you should be good to go |
| 16:40.49 | NapoleonWils0n | majorgeek apg for generating passwords :) |
| 16:40.56 | BluesKaj | majorgeek, must have some importnt data to protect |
| 16:41.20 | majorgeek | nop i just like it when hacker wast their time |
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| 16:43.35 | BluesKaj | methinks there's too much Mr Robot in some peoples lives :-) |
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| 16:45.33 | ompaul | fishbulb: Debian provides more than a pure OS: it comes with over 43000 packages, precompiled software bundled up in a nice format for easy installation on your machine. we can't know all the things - we are not here paid by anyone - but we can show you how to find things and how to survive this landscape it won't bend to you, you must bend to it. :-) |
| 16:45.37 | NapoleonWils0n | i like to use unbound for dns adblocking |
| 16:46.02 | ompaul | the first page of www.debian.org and my own philosophy about free and other software |
| 16:46.11 | NapoleonWils0n | very zen mate |
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| 16:46.59 | ompaul | NapoleonWils0n: I'm in my fifties and I've been doing freesoft ware as my main home computer since 93 |
| 16:47.02 | NapoleonWils0n | i wont use closed source on principle |
| 16:47.23 | ompaul | I don't say closed source I'll say proprietary ;-) |
| 16:47.33 | NapoleonWils0n | im a few years behind you mate :) |
| 16:47.42 | ompaul | nice clean line in the sand :-) |
| 16:47.43 | NapoleonWils0n | not by much though |
| 16:47.53 | ompaul | some will say how closed is closed |
| 16:47.59 | ompaul | it's closed ain't it :-) |
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| 16:48.11 | NapoleonWils0n | i have mac osx on external drive, when i boot it up i just stare at it |
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| 16:48.46 | lmw | Hi |
| 16:48.48 | TomTomTo1 | and it stares back? |
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| 16:49.00 | nik_roll | Yo |
| 16:49.02 | BluesKaj | I discovred Linux shortly after retirement in '99 ...was a windows guy on the job for many yrs before that |
| 16:49.05 | NapoleonWils0n | no i cover the webcam with electrical tape |
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| 16:50.37 | nik_roll | Hey guys can you suggest me any orc channel for kernel programming with active user |
| 16:51.00 | nik_roll | Irc channel |
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| 16:51.40 | lmw | I have a weird issue when I try to start xorg using startx as a normal user: (EE) modeset(0): drmSetMaster failed: Permission denied and (EE) AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0 |
| 16:51.52 | lmw | I just have installed xorg and openbox and tried to start it as a normal user |
| 16:51.56 | lmw | How do I solve this? |
| 16:52.22 | NapoleonWils0n | i use i3wm and xorg and havent had that issue |
| 16:52.40 | nik_roll | Can you see the permission on your home dir |
| 16:52.42 | lmw | It doesn't matter what WM I use, I only get this error when not running as root |
| 16:52.47 | nik_roll | Check it |
| 16:53.02 | lmw | My permissions are set to go-rwx |
| 16:53.32 | NapoleonWils0n | permissions on what mate |
| 16:53.38 | NapoleonWils0n | on / |
| 16:53.47 | lmw | WHat? |
| 16:54.07 | nik_roll | No your home directory and xauth*file |
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| 16:54.25 | NapoleonWils0n | missed that on you home i see |
| 16:54.32 | lmw | As I already said: go-rwx in my home dir (so srwx------ |
| 16:54.38 | lmw | And I don't have any xauth file |
| 16:54.53 | lmw | *drwx------ |
| 16:55.10 | NapoleonWils0n | do you have a ~/.xinitrc |
| 16:55.14 | lmw | Yes |
| 16:55.20 | lmw | It contains "exec openbox" |
| 16:55.21 | nik_roll | Dude try ls -la on home directory |
| 16:55.42 | NapoleonWils0n | do you have anything else in your ~/.xinitrc |
| 16:55.43 | lmw | .xinitrc and .Xauthority |
| 16:55.49 | lmw | NapoleonWils0n: no |
| 16:56.15 | NapoleonWils0n | ah thats your problem mate |
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| 16:56.24 | NapoleonWils0n | have a look at my ~/.xinitrc |
| 16:56.26 | NapoleonWils0n | https://github.com/NapoleonWils0n/dotfiles/blob/master/.xinitrc |
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| 16:56.57 | NapoleonWils0n | copy the default xinitrc to your home |
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| 16:57.17 | NapoleonWils0n | cp /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc ~ |
| 16:57.25 | lmw | Well, it worked fine without any .xinitrc before ... after I got a xorg update |
| 16:57.43 | NapoleonWils0n | lmw you got it working then |
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| 16:57.48 | lmw | Well, it worked fine before without any .x* or .X* files until I got a xorg server update ... |
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| 16:59.00 | lmw | brb |
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| 17:01.57 | lmw | back |
| 17:02.12 | lmw | I have tried your .xinitrc and the default one from /etc/X11 and I still get the same error |
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| 17:05.37 | lmw | https://paste.debian.net/plainh/f74ac9bd |
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| 17:09.03 | missmbob | lmw: dpkg -l dbus |
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| 17:10.21 | lmw | not installed |
| 17:10.40 | missmbob | lmw: not sure how the hell that happened. install it |
| 17:10.55 | lmw | I did it now and tried startx again |
| 17:11.00 | lmw | failed |
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| 17:11.27 | missmbob | lmw: is dbus running? you might have to manually start it |
| 17:11.45 | lmw | It's already running |
| 17:11.52 | missmbob | new pastebin |
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| 17:12.33 | lmw | It's the same output, no need for a new one |
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| 17:26.11 | DrBunsen | Hello, I have been thinking of buying a new videocard, and I read that AMD has opensource drivers that are as good as the closed source ones. Does anyone have any experience with this? Currently I have a nvidia card, but the opensource driver is definitely not comparable with the close source driver. |
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| 17:27.34 | mtn | DrBunsen: nvidia has much better support for linux |
| 17:27.45 | AvatarA | if you play games you're going to want closed source for sure |
| 17:27.59 | AvatarA | no matter if AMD or nvidia |
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| 17:28.51 | AvatarA | and with closed source, nvidia seems to be a better choice |
| 17:29.05 | AvatarA | and amd a better choice for open source |
| 17:30.02 | DrBunsen | mtn: still? I thought this had changed? |
| 17:30.05 | zykotick9 | notes that AMD is only "open source" and NOT free. 3d requires a proprietary blob :( |
| 17:30.21 | mtn | DrBunsen: amd has dropped linux support for most cards |
| 17:30.32 | mtn | DrBunsen: https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=229229 |
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| 17:32.17 | majorgeek | mad also dropped support for windows |
| 17:32.26 | majorgeek | amd |
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| 17:33.20 | majorgeek | im stuck with a beta version |
| 17:33.23 | DrBunsen | Thanks for the responses, so it means I do not really have a choice but pick nvidia? |
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| 17:34.17 | majorgeek | they just did one release of crimson and droped the ball |
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| 17:34.29 | sleepster | is there an installer image I can use for a bare bones debian install? |
| 17:34.35 | sleepster | basically nothing except the core components |
| 17:34.40 | majorgeek | im never going to buy another AMD card |
| 17:35.22 | mtn | sleepster: all the installers will allow you to do a basic install. not sure if it is basic enough for you |
| 17:35.46 | DrBunsen | reading this I think the RX 460 looks quite ok? https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amdgpu-1640-open&num=2 |
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| 17:36.16 | AvatarA | if you want the total minimum you can just use a live image and do everything manually, partition and all that stuff and then use debootstrap command |
| 17:36.32 | majorgeek | there should be a law that if the vendor stop supporting a piece of hardware they should have to release the code for thirty party's to continue support |
| 17:37.22 | DrBunsen | majorgeek: can't you just use an older driver package and pin it? |
| 17:37.42 | majorgeek | for how long? |
| 17:38.11 | majorgeek | im going to use an outdated OS? |
| 17:38.20 | majorgeek | that still supports it |
| 17:38.39 | DrBunsen | if the driver is opensource can't you compile it yourself? |
| 17:38.40 | GreyHazRoot | anyone have an idea why Alfa card AWUS036NH isn't being recognized on Jessie/BunsenLabs? |
| 17:38.40 | tw | you would if you were a windows user. They're still wanting to run win7. |
| 17:38.41 | majorgeek | i guess thats why somany are still using windows xp |
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| 17:39.01 | majorgeek | is the driver opensource? |
| 17:39.46 | DrBunsen | Were you using the prop? |
| 17:39.51 | GreyHazRoot | majorgeek: if you're talking to me, it's suppose to be plug-n-play |
| 17:40.30 | majorgeek | actually have that card on windows 10 machine |
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| 17:41.07 | majorgeek | navidea supports its cards alot longer then AMD |
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| 17:41.42 | DrBunsen | I know, I have a card from 2012 that is still supported |
| 17:42.11 | majorgeek | think 2006 |
| 17:42.21 | majorgeek | at least 10 yeas |
| 17:42.35 | majorgeek | years of support is what one should expect |
| 17:43.02 | tw | what is this, a govt contract? =p |
| 17:43.04 | majorgeek | and after they should release it so thirth partys keep continue extended support |
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| 17:44.12 | tw | Their future codebase is built on the same software platform, that's not a reasonable expectation unless they can lock you out of the hardware with security like secureboot. |
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| 17:45.12 | majorgeek | so thats makes it easy for them to continue to support old hardware |
| 17:45.38 | majorgeek | they just dont do it because they want you to buy newones |
| 17:45.56 | AvatarA | not really easy cuz they have to adapt the drivers to changes in the OS |
| 17:46.04 | tw | It's a cost they don't have to incur. It's well out of the support period for hardware unless you're paying for extended support. As an enterprise you could buy that support -- this is how enterprise hardware works. |
| 17:46.13 | AvatarA | like let's say adapt driver to changes in Xorg server |
| 17:46.22 | tw | But I'm branching into OT territory, so I will stop now. |
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| 17:48.30 | majorgeek | is there a given number of years they are abide by law to support a piece of hardware? |
| 17:48.56 | majorgeek | i suppose not thats who google gets away with out updating android |
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| 17:49.40 | majorgeek | if you and new android you need to buy new phone |
| 17:50.13 | OerHeks | good point, tw |
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| 17:51.16 | majorgeek | android that was supposed to be open source |
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| 17:53.42 | OerHeks | "openstandard" majorgeek, but you are way offtopic |
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| 18:00.07 | lmw | I have fixed my Xorg issue :) |
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| 18:00.24 | Neobenedict | in a terminal, lets say my output is "foo . bar" |
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| 18:00.35 | Neobenedict | what can i pipe it into to only print what's after the . |
| 18:00.40 | Neobenedict | so ". bar" |
| 18:00.44 | Neobenedict | or " bar" |
| 18:00.46 | Neobenedict | either is the same to me |
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| 18:01.32 | yukip | sed |
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| 18:02.34 | yukip | or grep |
| 18:02.53 | mfranzwa | solid answers. he speaks the truth |
| 18:03.05 | Neobenedict | i need an example |
| 18:03.14 | Neobenedict | sed regex is different to anything i know |
| 18:03.31 | missmbob | ##sed is the place for that |
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| 18:06.10 | [jasper] | hej guys, I have a debian docker which is having some issues with the cronjobs...for some reason they keep failing with the following message: /bin/sh: 1: root: not found |
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| 18:06.40 | [jasper] | when I run crontab -e this is the contents: /bin/sh: 1: root: not found |
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| 18:06.50 | [jasper] | http://paste.ubuntu.com/24028432/ |
| 18:07.41 | [jasper] | so all the hourly crons fail.....the only one that succeeds is ./learnspam.sh..... but that fails initialy also...but for some mysteriour reason it's run again 5 minutes later and then succceeds... |
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| 18:08.48 | [jasper] | can anyone explain why the learnspam.sh would run twice within 5 minutes after eachother? |
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| 18:09.49 | tw | [jasper]: my guess is you are putting it in a user crontab and it is also in /etc/crontab |
| 18:09.58 | yukip | [jasper]: sudo nano /etc/crontab |
| 18:10.14 | [jasper] | this is the contents of /etc/crontab |
| 18:10.39 | [jasper] | crontab -e shows system wide right? |
| 18:10.44 | Neobenedict | did it using awk |
| 18:10.53 | yukip | remove the # |
| 18:11.04 | yukip | in the middle |
| 18:11.22 | tw | crontab -e does not show system wide |
| 18:11.29 | tw | it shows root's user crontab, which is different. |
| 18:11.53 | missmbob | and you shouldn't use username in user cron |
| 18:12.05 | tw | ^- that's the tell from your error message |
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| 18:16.43 | [jasper] | thx tw, yukip. think this solved it |
| 18:16.55 | [jasper] | both /etc/crontab and crontab -e were identical in this docker contaoiner |
| 18:16.59 | [jasper] | so kinda confused me |
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| 18:39.09 | Tom01 | How is Debian 9 testing running. Stable enough for everyday usage? |
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| 18:41.09 | SynrG | testing is still testing, with all the problems that come from running testing. |
| 18:42.00 | lmw | Tom01: Testing still has some problems, but stable enough if you know how to fix broken things |
| 18:42.15 | SynrG | as it always has been |
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| 18:43.48 | missmbob | 230 RC bugs to go |
| 18:44.15 | lmw | I' running testing on my desktop ... and didn't got any crash or broken stuff yet ... except xorg ... but I think this was myself with my stupidness with apt :D |
| 18:44.21 | lmw | * I'm |
| 18:45.51 | yukip | i think beta distros always have had xorg problems in the past |
| 18:46.05 | yukip | ubuntu did i remember |
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| 18:46.21 | SynrG | testing is not a "beta" in the usual sense of that word. |
| 18:46.41 | yukip | if only people would just make their code perfect before merging, jk |
| 18:47.07 | lmw | yukip: I have fixed my broken xorg by installing additional drivers :) |
| 18:47.44 | lmw | I think --no-install-recommends isn't really needed anymore in the 21st century |
| 18:48.09 | yukip | did you people hear about intel intigrating amd gpu's into their cpus |
| 18:48.24 | yukip | should fix the drive problems then |
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| 18:48.36 | yukip | for amd gpus |
| 18:49.56 | towo` | which driver problems? |
| 18:50.08 | towo` | and why should it fix them? |
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| 18:53.54 | yukip | have to use closed source |
| 18:54.06 | yukip | intel's gpu drivers are open, and work great |
| 18:54.09 | towo` | does not answer anything |
| 18:54.41 | yukip | [jasper], said he needed to install drivers to get it to work... |
| 18:54.44 | towo` | all intel graphics since skylake are needing non-free firmware too |
| 18:54.51 | yukip | oh |
| 18:54.55 | yukip | didn't know that |
| 18:55.10 | towo` | and amd gpus are well supported in linux |
| 18:55.16 | yukip | yes... |
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| 19:11.16 | likcoras | Hi, what's the point of weechat-scripts package/how do I get weechat to use those instead of downloading them again from the website? |
| 19:11.46 | somiaj | likcoras: do you have those same scripts included in your $HOME/ dir? |
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| 19:12.11 | likcoras | Oh, so I'd need to copy them from /usr/share/weechat to $HOME/.weechat/ ? |
| 19:12.35 | somiaj | unsure exactly, but you may need to tell weechat to load them, or if you have them in $HOME, it will most likely use the user version over the system one. |
| 19:12.49 | somiaj | you can also see if /usr/share/doc/weechat-scripts has any info |
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| 19:13.32 | likcoras | I checked, only had a changelog and license info |
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| 19:14.49 | likcoras | Ah, that worked, thanks. |
| 19:15.01 | somiaj | yea unusre if those scripts will load automatically, or if you need to tell weechat to load them or copy them to $HOME |
| 19:15.20 | somiaj | if you make links over copying them, then you get the upgrades without having to recopy |
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| 19:16.28 | likcoras | oh right, did not think of that. |
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| 19:37.02 | cleancode | can someone plz help me with chroot problems in an LUKS environment ? have issues with some important binaries, that are recognized as "data" only |
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| 19:42.59 | awal1 | exim4, or any other mail transfer agent, is needed for internal (local - root / standard user) mails, eh? |
| 19:43.39 | awal1 | if not I'l disable it |
| 19:43.41 | somiaj | exim4 should have a local option, but yes lots of older stuff still assums you have a working mail system, even if it is only local. |
| 19:43.46 | somiaj | this is getting less common |
| 19:46.10 | awal1 | if i disable exim4 service, I'll not get local mails (/var/log/messages)? |
| 19:46.49 | awal1 | when I'm in shell upgrading or something I get " you have a new mail" or something like that, Well I nerver really check them |
| 19:47.14 | awal1 | so without exim4 I'll not get that advise? |
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| 19:48.09 | awal1 | I dont use exim4 or somethng similar for anything |
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| 20:02.07 | awal1 | for my personal mail I use a web browser or mutt, for report bugs smtphost bugs.debian.org; so exim4 is just there... |
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| 20:09.46 | razer_ | I'm having some trouble getting Debian setup on my external hard drive on my Macintosh. |
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| 20:10.25 | razer_ | I got it installed using the standard image, but the Macintosh does not detect the installation as bootable. |
| 20:11.28 | razer_ | I then found the Macintosh ISO and copied that to my USB jump drive to install from that, but the Macintosh does not find that USB flash drive to be bootable then if I copy the Macintosh Debian ISO to it instead of the regular Debian ISO. |
| 20:12.03 | razer_ | I tried the testing and 8.7.1 ISO |
| 20:12.24 | BluesKaj | razer_, where did you install grub during the install? |
| 20:12.53 | razer_ | I did tell it where to install grub, but I believe it is not working because it installed it to the external hard drive. |
| 20:13.14 | razer_ | Sorry, I mean to say "I did not tell it where to install grub". |
| 20:13.55 | BluesKaj | thenmake the external the first in the boot sequence in the BIOS or whatever mac calls it |
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| 20:14.54 | BluesKaj | you didn't see the option then |
| 20:15.28 | BluesKaj | I'll bet grub is on the external |
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| 20:18.19 | razer_ | BlueKaj, I can't choose the external drive as the startup disk in system preferences. It is not an option. I have to select it by pressing the option key during boot and selecting the drive there, but it is not displaying with Debian installed to it. |
| 20:18.42 | BluesKaj | razer_, here's how to access the Mac equivalent of BIOS , http://blandname.com/category/bios/ |
| 20:19.27 | razer_ | BlueKaj, is this a workaround or the way it is supposed to work? |
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| 20:20.04 | razer_ | I know SUSE for example makes the installation EFI bootable. Perhaps the Macintosh version of the ISO also does that. |
| 20:20.16 | razer_ | Or, there is an option during setup that I missed like you said. |
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| 20:22.24 | BluesKaj | razer_, think it depends on which install method you use, I always choose the regular default/text option since the gui method tends to fail on this old pc |
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| 20:22.37 | razer_ | I used the text install/default |
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| 20:24.48 | AndroUser | Did some used Debian as a hipervisor for KVM? Is it stable? |
| 20:25.11 | towo` | there is no hipervisor |
| 20:25.13 | BluesKaj | ok , I guess debian didn't see the Mac drive as an option to install grub |
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| 20:25.39 | towo` | and debian can be the hos vor KVM |
| 20:25.44 | towo` | *host |
| 20:26.00 | razer_ | What does the Macintosh version of the ISO do? |
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| 20:26.51 | AndroUser | Oh. So I can't put KVM over Debian |
| 20:27.18 | tw | you can. It can either be KVM host or guest. |
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| 20:27.49 | razer_ | debian-mac-8.7.1-amd64-netinst ; debian-mac-testing-amd64-netinst ; These wouldn't even boot so I could install |
| 20:28.56 | BluesKaj | deoes mac have the option to boot from a usb? |
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| 20:29.36 | BluesKaj | or boot into a usb with live media on it |
| 20:29.45 | razer_ | Yes, I just hold the option key and it will boot show usb devices I can boot from. That is how I boot the Debian USB jump drive to install. |
| 20:30.54 | somiaj | BluesKaj: many macs don't support legacy boot afiak, and debian live images don't support efi boot. |
| 20:31.13 | BluesKaj | did you say there's an special debian iso for mac |
| 20:31.21 | razer_ | BlueKaj, yes |
| 20:31.48 | razer_ | BlueKaj, but the special debian iso for mac is the one that won't boot on mac, only the regular one will. |
| 20:32.10 | AndroUser | Hmm. Than is recommended to have it as a host? I try to get my web server and file server in two separate virtual machines. So two Deabians over one... Make sense? I need to know if is stable and worth going forward with this structure. |
| 20:32.26 | razer_ | And I used that regular ISO to install Debian on my external hard drive, but then the Macintosh doesn't see that as a bootable device. |
| 20:32.54 | somiaj | AndroUser: doesn't matter, you can use debian host with debian guests, or another host. Your call. |
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| 20:33.20 | somiaj | AndroUser: and yes, qemu-kvm works fine here for guests. |
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| 20:35.52 | AndroUser | Thanks got more confidence. Probably I smell like a beginner in this |
| 20:36.18 | razer_ | The netinstall is really nice to copy fast. It only takes 17 seconds or so to use dd to copy to USB |
| 20:36.35 | razer_ | I used to hate the dd tool because it would take a long time. Also have to use rdisk for raw |
| 20:36.38 | BluesKaj | razer_, did you consider installing the debian/mac iso on a partition on the mac hdd? |
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| 20:36.42 | razer_ | and bs=1m |
| 20:36.46 | AntoineLive | Hi |
| 20:37.14 | AntoineLive | I have a problem with debian, i have install ftp package but when i connect on ftp server, debian don't ask me to give the user and pass |
| 20:37.25 | AntoineLive | and if i do a command he ask me: Not connected |
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| 20:37.41 | AntoineLive | I'm not an expert on debian :/ :) |
| 20:37.52 | razer_ | BlueKaj, no. So, install the iso to a partition on a drive that is formatted for mac with an EFI already on it.? |
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| 20:39.11 | BluesKaj | razer_, no, think you would need to use legacy mode |
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| 20:39.56 | BluesKaj | and use an ext4 partition |
| 20:40.08 | razer_ | BlueKaj, I'm not familiar with that. |
| 20:40.18 | Bliepo | Looking for a Riser card that allows to transfrom one x16 PCIE slot to 4 x4 PCIE slots but I cannot find any... Do these even exist? |
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| 20:40.38 | user_ | Hi |
| 20:41.02 | dean_ | user: Hi!! |
| 20:42.11 | BluesKaj | razer_,my nick is BluesKaj , not BlueKaj, I'm not feeling blue, but I di feel the blues |
| 20:42.25 | BluesKaj | do |
| 20:43.42 | razer_ | BluesKaj: Ah, ok. |
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| 20:45.07 | BluesKaj | thanks razer_ , in your options/bios there should be a boot mode called legacy instea of EFI...try that |
| 20:45.29 | BluesKaj | instead of |
| 20:47.57 | razer_ | The only other solution may be to install reFIND. That isn't how it's supposed to work though |
| 20:48.56 | BluesKaj | razer_, so there's no legacy mode in your options ? |
| 20:49.39 | razer_ | I think it doesn't exist, or I don't know how. |
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| 20:54.54 | BluesKaj | razer_, https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-UEFI-and-Legacy-Mode-which-we-need-to-choose-while-installing-the-OS |
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| 20:56.01 | BluesKaj | razer_, ignore that url, it's not correct |
| 20:56.02 | razer_ | BluesKaj, That doesn't talk about a Macintosh I don't think. |
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| 20:57.47 | BluesKaj | razer_, I'm out of ideas , can't seem to find anyuthing relevant |
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| 20:58.15 | razer_ | BluesKaj, I'll have to try installing reFIND and see if it detects the Debian install on the external drive. |
| 20:58.32 | razer_ | I wish I knew more about that Debian Macintosh ISO though |
| 20:58.43 | razer_ | This doesn't work: https://wiki.debian.org/MacBook#Installation_Overview |
| 20:58.54 | BluesKaj | razer_, like here ? http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/configfile.html |
| 20:59.39 | razer_ | Yes, that. |
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| 21:00.25 | BluesKaj | razer_, could be your only option remaining |
| 21:00.56 | razer_ | It shouldn't be necessary though. I think Debian should be able to do this differently. I know SUSE was. |
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| 21:01.28 | razer_ | But I can't use SUSE because it isn't supported by AMD. |
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| 21:02.25 | BluesKaj | amd not supported by suse? |
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| 21:02.53 | razer_ | The proprietary GPU drivers stopped supporting SUSE. |
| 21:03.22 | BluesKaj | ahh the gpu |
| 21:03.23 | rubin110 | If I have this in my sources.list, I take it that means I'm more or less on experimental, correct? |
| 21:03.26 | rubin110 | https://paste.debian.net/915626/ |
| 21:04.00 | missmbob | !experimental |
| 21:04.00 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
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| 21:04.23 | rubin110 | missmbob: I'm asking for some clarificaiton on how sources.list works. |
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| 21:04.59 | razer_ | But, SUSE knows how to install on a Macintosh. Once installed to an external drive it is bootable. |
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| 21:05.14 | zykotick9 | rubin110: also, using "testing" isn't great form... it's better to use codenames. |
| 21:05.31 | rubin110 | Ok. |
| 21:05.37 | missmbob | rubin110: it means you have experimental sources. it doesnt mean you're using experimental. |
| 21:05.59 | rubin110 | I've inherited this box from someone else and am cleaning house. |
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| 21:08.48 | rubin110 | Thanks for the information. |
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| 21:11.07 | Razva | I've used the ZFS-RAID1 install method (2x400gb SSD), everything looks fine, BUT I don't know if Proxmox really did what it was "supposed" to do. at this point each node in the cluster has a "local" and "local-zfs" Storage, each having the size of the 400gb. now...how is this possible? I'm really not familiar with ZFS, but it looks like Proxmox just used a |
| 21:11.07 | Razva | disk for "local" and another disk for "local-zfs"? here's the df -h: https://gist.github.com/Razva/468025ca90bec3afec394d77ee824304 |
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| 21:11.48 | Razva | or maybe I'm just wrong and not understanding ZFS correctly? |
| 21:12.10 | RAWs_Ghost | heyyo someone just told me its not important to encrypt / or swap. wtf? |
| 21:12.23 | towo` | Razva, and maybe with proxmox you are in the wrong channel |
| 21:12.50 | Razva | towo`: well, Proxmox is kinda "based" on Debian so that's why I'm asking.. |
| 21:12.56 | SerajewelKS | !based on debian |
| 21:12.56 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 21:14.28 | Razva | I fully understand. still, as nobody is "alive" in the official Pmx channel, maybe you can take a look...? :\ |
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| 21:14.43 | SerajewelKS | ZFS isn't even in debian |
| 21:14.58 | missmbob | Razva: it says "please respect our choice"...so you dont understand or didn't read |
| 21:15.14 | SerajewelKS | the odds of someone here knowing how ZFS works on your distro are very small |
| 21:15.15 | Razva | ok, thanks anyway |
| 21:15.23 | Razva | understood :) |
| 21:15.40 | SerajewelKS | RAWs_Ghost: whether you should encrypt / or swap depends on what you're doing |
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| 21:16.02 | Razva | have a great evening, cheers |
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| 21:19.07 | RAWs_Ghost | serajewelKS well, nothing too important on the Debian partitions. email. running VMs. logging in to institutional resources. certainly nothing remotely shady that I can think of, but probably lots of passwords, and I want my /home partition to be invulnerable, preferably |
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| 21:59.21 | janne_ | when add linux log terminal software? |
| 22:00.07 | janne_ | i ask this question! |
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| 22:00.49 | lmw | janne_: What do you mean? |
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| 22:02.09 | OerHeks | terminal log? type 'history' ( but root actions are not logged) |
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| 22:02.43 | OerHeks | lmw, i think that is what janne_ asks, not sure about that in broken english |
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| 22:03.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | thought they all spoke splendid english in finland |
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| 22:04.18 | basdb | anyone else running into "ERR_SSL_PROTOCOL_ERROR" via Chromium on any Google-based site? "Version 56.0.2924.76 Built on 8.7" |
| 22:04.51 | janne_ | all computer live program and site history and web site surfing history! Terminal Command history? |
| 22:05.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | not right now, no |
| 22:05.31 | OerHeks | basdb, read those errors before, delete ~/.config/chromium could be your fix too |
| 22:06.25 | missmbob | basdb: make sure your computer's time is syncd |
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| 22:06.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | There was a thing in chromium that root certificates would expire some fixed time after build⦠but that probably shouldn't be a protocol error anyway |
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| 22:07.17 | janne_ | server log book. Anyway? |
| 22:07.32 | basdb | hah, just removed the config entry -- now I can't restore as I can't log into my google account :D |
| 22:07.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | and well done OerHeks, seems that was the question⦠or not⦠meh. who can tell. |
| 22:08.00 | basdb | just a big ol' "SSL_PROTOCOL_ERROR" message upon sign-in. I've kicked ntpd to update system time several times now :/ |
| 22:08.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | the google account doesn't have a password? |
| 22:08.26 | basdb | CutMeOwnThroat: the sign in page is just the error page. I can't access anything on any google domain. |
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| 22:08.40 | henkla | janne: vad försöker du fråga? |
| 22:08.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah |
| 22:08.54 | lmw | Is your ca-certificates package up to date, basdb ? |
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| 22:09.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions chromium |
| 22:09.21 | judd | Package: chromium on amd64 -- wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie: 55.0.2883.75-1~deb8u1; stretch: 55.0.2883.75-6; jessie-security: 56.0.2924.76-1~deb8u1; sid: 56.0.2924.76-3 |
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| 22:10.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks like you have the current version |
| 22:10.29 | basdb | ca-certificates is the newest version: 20141019+deb8u2 |
| 22:11.16 | basdb | guess I'll just use iceweasel for now, that isn't having any issues |
| 22:11.21 | basdb | so this is chromium specific :/ |
| 22:11.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, I'm not up to date wit the version, though |
| 22:12.24 | lmw | judd, versions ca-certificates |
| 22:12.26 | judd | Package: ca-certificates on amd64 -- wheezy: 20130119+deb7u1; jessie: 20141019+deb8u2; sid: 20161130; stretch: 20161130 |
| 22:12.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | google's also offereing packages for chrome |
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| 22:13.52 | basdb | I'll try the google chrome .deb package then and see what I get. fwiw also blew away ~/.cache/chromium |
| 22:13.57 | basdb | no luck :( |
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| 22:14.32 | basdb | son of a gun the .deb package works. |
| 22:15.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's pretty much separate in everything |
| 22:15.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | so it should |
| 22:15.16 | basdb | thanks for the suggestion, much appreciated CutMeOwnThroat |
| 22:15.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could try chromium from a completely fresh account |
| 22:15.22 | missmbob | basdb: chromium runs in the background, right? did you make sure you completely closed it? |
| 22:15.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | instead of removing more random config files :) |
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| 22:15.59 | basdb | missmbob: yeah closed, removed (purged), and reinstalled |
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| 22:17.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | but have you checked there's not one chromium process left⦠running |
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| 22:18.43 | AvatarA | probably this https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=664177 |
| 22:18.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | sleep. nn |
| 22:19.21 | missmbob | no, google does not use symantec certificates on their sites. heh |
| 22:19.56 | AvatarA | I hit the problem occasionally with Symantec certificates, but never happened on google |
| 22:21.02 | basdb | truth be told, I did not check if any processes were still running, though fwiw this problem persisted after reboot as well. booted into windoze for a sanity-check. |
| 22:21.32 | missmbob | basdb: yeah but we dont know when. after you checked the time, after you checked cache, etc. |
| 22:21.57 | lmw | Google has its own CA :) |
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| 22:43.52 | basdb | fair enough. there are no processes running matching chromium, I tried reinstalling still getting the issue |
| 22:44.04 | basdb | but I'll just stick to using the .deb package of chrome which seems to be working. |
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| 22:44.46 | AvatarA | so what site specifically doesn't work for you? |
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| 22:45.06 | AvatarA | like, youtube.com? |
| 22:45.15 | Razva | in this scenario - https://www.screencast.com/t/QldLEwyN15 - where should I install GRUB? |
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| 22:49.27 | CeBe | Razva: from what I see in the screenshot I'd say in sda and sdb |
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| 22:49.49 | Razva | CeBe: agreed, but check this out please https://www.screencast.com/t/kvZ7qdzN0 |
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| 22:50.53 | CeBe | well... the question is why did it fail. any way to get more information than that? |
| 22:51.23 | Razva | I'm using the GUI so...no idea? |
| 22:51.39 | CeBe | I never used the gui :) |
| 22:52.37 | Razva | do I need to set sda/sdb as bootable? |
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| 22:52.44 | Razva | or the / partition? |
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| 22:54.08 | CeBe | Razva: could be that you need to have /boot outside of the lvm, but that is only a guess |
| 22:54.22 | Razva | I don't have any /boot partition |
| 22:54.30 | CeBe | maybe you should have one |
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| 22:54.36 | Razva | ah, ok |
| 22:54.58 | CeBe | I ususally have /boot on a separate partition on raid1 without lvm |
| 22:55.05 | CeBe | that could be a problem, I don't know |
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| 22:59.05 | user1 | . |
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| 23:01.58 | Razva | CeBe: should I RAID1 that partition? |
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| 23:02.09 | Razva | because that would be the logical thing to do... |
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| 23:02.21 | CeBe | Razva: yes |
| 23:02.31 | Razva | k |
| 23:03.07 | CeBe | Razva: here is a setup that works on one of my servers: https://gist.github.com/cebe/2cc6ce427135f2bc3b4b684ba6ed1deb |
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| 23:09.42 | basdb | not really super relevant to debian, but anyone have good recommendations for getting a free SSL cert for your domain / website? |
| 23:09.52 | basdb | signed cert that is* |
| 23:10.17 | epsilon | Razva I would crete a 256MB partition on both disk as first partition and make raid1 on them - enough for /boot. And grub belongs on sda/sdb directly (without number) |
| 23:10.20 | missmbob | basdb: https://letsencrypt.org/ |
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| 23:11.12 | epsilon | and letsencrypt.sh as cronjob (forgot how it has renamed to...) |
| 23:13.17 | m4x | epsilon: i think it's now called dehydrated |
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| 23:15.27 | GreyHazRoot | it's renamed but also still in the repos as letsencrypt.sh |
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| 23:37.00 | rocket__ | hi |
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| 23:37.31 | rocket__ | anyone in mood to answer me some question regarding VFIO? |
| 23:37.47 | bazhang | just ask |
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| 23:38.32 | rocket__ | i blacklisted the gpu but there is still some error |
| 23:38.34 | rocket__ | vfio: error, group 6 is not viable, please ensure all devices within the iommu_group are bound to their vfio bus driver. |
| 23:38.44 | rocket__ | do i have to remove the gpu driver as well? |
| 23:39.15 | rocket__ | 06:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation Device 1b81 (rev a1) |
| 23:39.15 | rocket__ | Subsystem: NVIDIA Corporation Device 1b81 |
| 23:39.15 | rocket__ | Kernel driver in use: nvidia |
| 23:39.15 | rocket__ | Kernel modules: nvidiafb, nouveau, nvidia_375_drm, nvidia_375 |
| 23:39.16 | rocket__ | 06:00.1 Audio device: NVIDIA Corporation Device 10f0 (rev a1) |
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| 23:39.28 | rocket__ | ups |
| 23:39.30 | rocket__ | sorry |
| 23:39.45 | rocket__ | but pci stub shows not in the nvidia driver |
| 23:39.50 | rocket__ | so i guess i have to remove it right? |
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| 23:42.27 | rocket__ | bazhang, ? |
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