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| 00:02.01 | redrabbit | i get this error when i try to use iptables |
| 00:02.02 | redrabbit | modprobe: ERROR: ../libkmod/libkmod.c:557 kmod_search_moddep() could not open moddep file '/lib/modules/3.4.39/modules.dep.bin' |
| 00:02.11 | n-iCe | hi |
| 00:02.17 | redrabbit | what should i do to install missing module |
| 00:02.39 | redrabbit | sudo apt-get install linux-image-$(uname -r) < didnt worked |
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| 00:03.41 | missmbob | redrabbit: that's not a debian kernel. |
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| 00:04.15 | tables | how do i upgrade to libc 2.3.2? 'ldd --version' says i'm using 2.19 |
| 00:04.18 | tables | i'm on jessie |
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| 00:04.41 | redrabbit | missmbob: ok, then what would you advice ? |
| 00:04.49 | redrabbit | advise* |
| 00:04.57 | missmbob | redrabbit: as the channel for whatever distro you're actually using |
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| 00:05.13 | redrabbit | its supposed to be debian |
| 00:05.25 | redrabbit | i guess the orange pi guys made a big mess out of it |
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| 00:05.38 | missmbob | yeah. go ask them |
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| 00:07.59 | AvatarA | tables, why do you want to upgrade? |
| 00:08.12 | tables | i'm trying to get a program to work |
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| 00:09.03 | AvatarA | well, jessie will never have 2.3.2 |
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| 00:14.52 | missmbob | 2.3.2 is really. 2.19 is newer. so you're not going to get that to work without setting up a really old chroot or vm |
| 00:15.29 | missmbob | is really old* |
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| 01:02.06 | kody90 | what is stretch final kernel 4.9? 4.10? |
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| 01:02.27 | missmbob | 4.9 |
| 01:02.31 | dvs | kody90, whatever it has now |
| 01:02.35 | bottlewater | would anyone know whats causing my terminal screen to mess up after I resize the window? |
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| 01:02.50 | dvs | kody90, 4.10 just came out TODAy |
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| 01:03.30 | Torqunic | hi all |
| 01:03.35 | Torqunic | can i ask ? |
| 01:03.49 | kody90 | someone says it is freezed for 4.9 the other say 4.10 |
| 01:03.52 | dvs | for a price.... |
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| 01:04.07 | dvs | ,kernels |
| 01:04.08 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.10.0-rc6-686-pae (4.10~rc6-1~exp2); sid: 4.9.0-2-686 (4.9.10-1); stretch: 4.9.0-1-686-pae (4.9.6-3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.9.2-2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.39-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.84-1) |
| 01:04.25 | dvs | no 4.10 kernel in sid or stretch |
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| 01:06.46 | Torqunic | Error please report bug on initramfs-tools |
| 01:06.46 | Torqunic | Include the output of 'mount' and 'cat /proc/mounts' |
| 01:06.46 | Torqunic | update-initramfs: failed for /boot/initrd.img-3.16.0-4-amd64 with 1. |
| 01:06.46 | Torqunic | dpkg: error processing package initramfs-tools (--configure): |
| 01:06.46 | Torqunic | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:06.47 | dpkg | torqunic: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 01:07.19 | Torqunic | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:07.21 | Torqunic | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 01:07.23 | Torqunic | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:07.25 | Torqunic | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:07.27 | Torqunic | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 01:07.29 | Torqunic | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:07.31 | Torqunic | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 01:07.33 | Torqunic | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:13.12 | gbirincsik | hi all |
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| 01:16.49 | gbirincsik | I have an issue with my debian. May you help me to find out the reason of it? https://paste.debian.net/915668/ |
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| 01:18.03 | razer_ | Hi, I'm trying to install a local package for the "Discord" chat program. I tried using apt-get install and dpkg -i |
| 01:19.02 | GreyHazRoot | razer_: try running <apt-get install -f> and see what the output is |
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| 01:19.39 | razer_ | it asks me if I'm root |
| 01:19.44 | razer_ | cannot open lock file |
| 01:19.57 | somiaj | razer_: apt-get install wont' isntall .debs, and dpkg -i will require you run it as root. |
| 01:21.05 | GreyHazRoot | sorry razer_ I meant to tag someone that already left |
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| 01:21.31 | razer_ | kpkg -i install finishes. I don't think it did before and I had to do a few things google results said to do like apt-get update or something. |
| 01:21.33 | GreyHazRoot | but yeah razer_ YOU HAVE TO BE ROOT TO INSTALL MOST .DEB |
| 01:21.39 | GreyHazRoot | lol cap locks |
| 01:21.55 | razer_ | Yes, I logged out of root and had to open another terminal because #debian wouldn't let me talk as root |
| 01:22.13 | GreyHazRoot | lol are you on kali? |
| 01:22.27 | bottlewater | would anyone know whats causing my terminal screen to mess up after I resize the window? |
| 01:23.01 | somiaj | razer_: you can use sudo to run things as root too. |
| 01:23.04 | razer_ | No, I'm not on Kali |
| 01:23.26 | razer_ | Yeah, but I had to install sudo and then I needed to add myself to the sudoers file. I only got so far. |
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| 01:24.08 | somiaj | on debian would only need to add yourself to the sudo group. But anyways, seems your problem was not being root |
| 01:24.16 | razer_ | The file was read only, so might have to chmod it, or then use a special command it said to use instead of "vi". That got complicated quickly just to do sudo |
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| 01:24.51 | somiaj | dpkg only needs to read the file, not execute it |
| 01:24.51 | dpkg | somiaj: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 01:25.02 | razer_ | Ok, but the app shows up in apps now, but I start it and it just closes after showing the icon in the task bar a little bit |
| 01:26.00 | GreyHazRoot | trying starting it from a terminal (not as root) as see what it says |
| 01:26.44 | somiaj | razer_: we can't really support third party apps, where did you get this .deb from? What app is it? |
| 01:27.00 | razer_ | Discord from Discordapp.com |
| 01:27.30 | somiaj | you can try running it from a terminal and see errors, but you'll want to read their docs/info. Also was the .deb made for debian or ubuntu? |
| 01:27.31 | razer_ | I may have installed the app wrong though. Maybe I have to remove and try again. |
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| 01:30.37 | razer_ | The first time I tried to install it said it needed dependances. |
| 01:30.51 | razer_ | So, I googled that and did a few commands people said to do. |
| 01:31.07 | GreyHazRoot | razer_, did you add the non-free or backports to your source list? |
| 01:31.24 | razer_ | No, but it doesn't give me dependancy error anymore. |
| 01:31.35 | razer_ | I did apt-get update and something else I think |
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| 01:31.56 | GreyHazRoot | what it say when you tried starting it from the terminal? |
| 01:32.11 | razer_ | oh, and apt-get -f install |
| 01:33.43 | razer_ | It is kind of weird. I would think the one distro the .deb file would work on would be debian. |
| 01:34.19 | razer_ | I'll try to install my AMD linux driver next. That discord app was supposed to help me figure it out. |
| 01:34.51 | razer_ | It definetaly through me off not havins sudo installed by default because I specified a root password during install. I didn't know about that. |
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| 01:35.40 | GreyHazRoot | you can get root with <su> without having <sudo> installed |
| 01:36.03 | razer_ | Oh, I also had to add amd64 architecture. it only had i386 added by default. |
| 01:36.22 | scaparici | hello a litlle help im tryng to install my amd driver,im a noob:)) |
| 01:36.25 | razer_ | It is really good I hae Google |
| 01:36.44 | razer_ | scaparici: That is about what I'm going to do too! |
| 01:36.54 | GreyHazRoot | have you learned what the <man pages> are yet? |
| 01:37.08 | razer_ | I know about man pages |
| 01:37.59 | razer_ | That helps sometimes, but not for errors a lot. I swear those man pages don't hae all the commands in them either. |
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| 01:41.07 | ryouma | info pages do when man does not; /usr/src/doc does when info does not |
| 01:41.28 | ryouma | share* |
| 01:41.44 | razer_ | Yeah, I was going to mention those info pages. They seem nicer sometimes. I only learned about those in recent years |
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| 01:41.52 | ryouma | try typing info or pinfo |
| 01:42.04 | ryouma | or if you use emacs do c-h i |
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| 01:42.45 | razer_ | Ug, AMD catalyst driver says please install the required pre-requisites before proceeding |
| 01:42.49 | ryouma | info can be much nicer |
| 01:43.27 | razer_ | I also had the option of creating a distro specific install |
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| 01:44.19 | razer_ | Oh, a distro specific drier package, but Im not sure I want to do that |
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| 01:46.56 | razer_ | scaparici: Did you figure it out? I ran into trouble. |
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| 01:50.43 | scaparici | nop |
| 01:51.09 | dvs | ldy |
| 01:51.28 | scaparici | Package fglrx is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 01:51.28 | scaparici | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 01:51.28 | scaparici | is only available from another source |
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| 01:52.15 | dvs | ,v fglrx |
| 01:52.16 | judd | No package named 'fglrx' was found in amd64. |
| 01:52.48 | missmbob | !fglrx |
| 01:52.48 | dpkg | fglrx / AMD Catalyst is the proprietary display driver for AMD Radeon R9 200 series, Radeon R7 200 series, Radeon HD 8000/7000/6000/5000 and FirePro graphic processing units. To install fglrx, see https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary or ask me about <fglrx dkms>. This driver is incompatible with the GNOME desktop of Debian 8 "Jessie" due to lack of EGL support (ref. §5.11 <jessie release notes>), use the <radeon> driver instead. |
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| 01:59.54 | bottlewater | would anyone know whats causing my terminal screen to mess up after I resize the window? |
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| 02:10.17 | awal1 | non debian request: what is the key/keyboard shortcut for youtube html5 "theater mode"? |
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| 02:10.24 | awal1 | like f for fullscreen |
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| 02:11.51 | tx | f11? |
| 02:11.56 | tx | oh youtube |
| 02:12.05 | tx | awal1: I think that might depend on the browser. |
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| 02:12.30 | awal1 | tx, with f11 you get firefox in fullscreen mode |
| 02:12.35 | awal1 | that's the standard |
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| 02:12.58 | awal1 | same for chromium |
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| 02:13.32 | OerHeks | F key = full screen, no theater mode key AFAIK |
| 02:13.46 | tx | yeah it looks like there isn't any, did a quick search on shortcut lists |
| 02:13.55 | awal1 | theater mode is a medium size , bigger than the standard mode and fullscreen |
| 02:13.56 | tx | there may be a plugin for it though |
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| 02:14.42 | awal1 | OerHeks, it is the button between settings and fullscreen |
| 02:15.07 | awal1 | well, on youtube, I'm referring |
| 02:15.16 | OerHeks | https://digiwonk.gadgethacks.com/how-to/30-keyboard-shortcuts-you-should-be-using-youtube-0161382/ |
| 02:15.34 | OerHeks | awak i understand .. sofar no key found :-( |
| 02:15.48 | OerHeks | awal1 |
| 02:16.02 | awal1 | I see yeah |
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| 02:17.49 | OerHeks | no answer on youtube too https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/youtube/SEZPXM-kBGE |
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| 02:18.53 | awal1 | yeah, thanks |
| 02:19.29 | awal1 | probably it is an useless feature |
| 02:19.50 | OerHeks | hmm i like theater mode too, better than full screen |
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| 02:36.33 | Iroha | I got the message "There are 6 newly obsolete packages: cpp-5, gcc-5, gcc-5-base, libasan2, libgcc-5-dev, libmpx0" today when I ran my update. I checked dependencies, and it looks like these are gcc-5 + its dependencies. But it also looks like "linux-compiler-gcc-5-x86" depends on gcc-5. Are these safe to remove? |
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| 02:41.53 | dvs | Iroha, if the system says it's obsolete, then they are no longer necessary. |
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| 02:43.07 | Iroha | dvs: Is it safe to remove the compiler then, too, even though the system didn't say it was obsolete (but one of its dependencies is)? |
| 02:43.32 | Hello71 | usually debian systems do not require compiler for basic functioning |
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| 02:45.33 | Iroha | Hello71 : I see, thanks. I'm a fish outta water when it comes to fixing anything going wrong, so just wanted to confirm I wouldn't break something horribly. |
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| 05:30.59 | webly | hi |
| 05:31.18 | webly | How can I let a php script just parse all php files in a directory (recursively)? |
| 05:31.33 | webly | I have to find all parse errors that may be caused, this is a simple smoke test. |
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| 07:44.21 | boser | hello, i have a problem with firefox and 'shockwave flash'. The firefox has still the version nummber 45.7.0 , but to play the swf-file in firefox, i need the version 50.1.0. Is there a chance to get an newer version of firfox in the next days? |
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| 07:45.20 | boser | that's the problem. https://www.br.de/wetter/action/wetterwarnungen/alerts.do |
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| 08:53.23 | Razva | does the UI installer use GPT by default? |
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| 09:30.21 | tjt263 | what makes this possible? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/LCgHQhzE/IMG_20170220_164405.jpg |
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| 09:34.30 | tjt263 | is it like a daemon or service that's constantly running in the background? |
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| 09:37.24 | tjt263 | or something like that |
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| 09:39.35 | dayten | tjt263: is it on the server machine? |
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| 09:43.24 | tjt263 | umm, depends how you mean. it is not a networked device. it's just an old laptop running Debian. so the stdout is on the local server in that sense |
| 09:43.29 | tjt263 | if that's what you mean |
| 09:45.09 | dayten | yes, you're understood you correctly |
| 09:45.10 | tjt263 | when it's shutting down it displays this kind of output on the screen |
| 09:45.26 | tjt263 | cool |
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| 09:46.21 | dayten | try to diagnose with lsusb and udevadm |
| 09:46.33 | jelly | dpkg, tell tjt263 about printk |
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| 09:48.46 | tjt263 | I pulled the drives out manually. it's not a problem that I'm troubleshooting, it's more of a curiosity regarding how the operating system works, and so on |
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| 09:50.04 | dayten | ok) |
| 09:50.08 | jelly | tjt263: read the private message dpkg bot sent you. Some kernel messages gets displayed on the console, depending on their priority. |
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| 10:01.24 | tjt263 | can I hook a bash script in to it some how? |
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| 10:03.12 | tjt263 | so I can use certain events to as triggers |
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| 10:04.41 | jelly | tjt263: this stuff is logged to syslog, in kern.* facility, you can do whatever your syslog implementation can do there and default rsyslog can do quite a bit |
| 10:05.12 | tjt263 | and utilize the various informations https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/KXx1N75e/_20170220_175939.JPG |
| 10:05.37 | jelly | it's probably also logged to systemd-journald, I have no idea what can be done there |
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| 10:06.34 | jelly | tjt263: if however you want to do stuff when a device is connected, do it with udev |
| 10:07.28 | tjt263 | cool, thanks. so this isn't output isn't from a particular service that I can identify via name? it's just part of the kernel; is that right? |
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| 10:08.41 | tjt263 | I thought maybe it was something I could investigate in /etc/init.d |
| 10:08.52 | tjt263 | if that makes sense |
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| 10:12.17 | tjt263 | or was that stdout directly from rsyslog |
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| 10:15.46 | tjt263 | it probably seems stupid to ask, Im just trying to gain a better, more thorough understanding |
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| 10:18.19 | tjt263 | it seems like it's on a lower level/lower layer |
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| 10:20.41 | jelly | that output to console was "directly" from kernel to /dev/console, yes |
| 10:21.00 | jelly | (via printk) |
| 10:22.38 | tjt263 | cool thanks jelly |
| 10:22.47 | tjt263 | I think I understand |
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| 10:36.41 | waterbottle | was wondering if anyone knew what was causing my screen in my terminal to wig out? |
| 10:36.48 | waterbottle | after resizing it |
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| 10:59.13 | _Nox | hi all |
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| 11:06.58 | jelly | waterbottle: terminal did not send it signals for window resize at right time? you can force a resize with ^a f, or suspend and resume screen, or detach and reattach |
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| 11:07.06 | Lyrics | is listening to "Good Riddance" by Green Day |
| 11:07.17 | Lyrics | Commencing lyric flood |
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| 11:07.23 | Lyrics | ... |
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| 11:12.47 | waterbottle | jelly: i never had this issue before. screen resize works fine in other vms. |
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| 11:15.02 | jelly | waterbottle: do you mean console, or do you mean the "screen" tool? |
| 11:15.29 | waterbottle | when i use putty and adjust the screen it goes black |
| 11:15.35 | waterbottle | cant see anything |
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| 11:16.12 | jelly | waterbottle: which app do you have open at that time |
| 11:16.12 | u_u | hi im trying to build mpc on a debian shell and i need to tell it where to look for limpdclient, how do i do this? |
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| 11:16.27 | waterbottle | jelly: it does it for irssi and profanity |
| 11:16.38 | jelly | waterbottle: press ^L, see if that helps |
| 11:17.31 | waterbottle | nope |
| 11:17.53 | jelly | waterbottle: what about ^Z, does that get you the shell back? |
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| 11:18.11 | waterbottle | nope |
| 11:18.19 | jelly | pressing enter a couple times? |
| 11:18.25 | waterbottle | nope |
| 11:18.27 | jelly | then no idea |
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| 11:18.43 | waterbottle | pressing 1 and 2 like my life depends on it gives me a few letters |
| 11:18.46 | waterbottle | lol |
| 11:18.53 | BluesKaj | Hi folks |
| 11:19.05 | waterbottle | very odd issue. never had this before. |
| 11:19.07 | petemc | what does echo $TERM say ? |
| 11:19.20 | waterbottle | xterm |
| 11:19.37 | petemc | irssi + putty works fine for me after resizing |
| 11:19.47 | petemc | i use screen |
| 11:19.51 | waterbottle | yeah i have another machine it works fine on |
| 11:19.54 | waterbottle | just this one |
| 11:20.01 | jelly | waterbottle: debian has a terminfo entry for actual "putty", try setting TERM=putty before starting irssi or whatnot |
| 11:20.07 | fishbulb | is debian like one step up from ubuntu |
| 11:20.43 | BluesKaj | debian came first |
| 11:21.13 | fishbulb | so it's the "easiest" starter distro? except ubuntu is run by like one guy, sort of |
| 11:21.47 | BluesKaj | fishbulb, it's not, do some research |
| 11:22.18 | fishbulb | I meant that as a question |
| 11:22.23 | fishbulb | https://github.com/numixproject/numix-gtk-theme |
| 11:22.29 | fishbulb | I did these steps, and it didn't work |
| 11:22.55 | petn-randall | !doesnt work |
| 11:22.55 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
| 11:22.58 | fishbulb | is there some debian reason it didn't, I'm running debian jessie |
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| 11:24.23 | fishbulb | ok. sudo apt install, for anyone reading that github page, for the "official debian package" didn't work. it doesn't exist. or if it does, there's some other reason that I don't know: why it didn't work |
| 11:24.52 | fishbulb | so then I downloaded that package, and tried installing it, there were a bunch of dependencies missing, the murrine gtk engine |
| 11:25.28 | fishbulb | murrine theme engine |
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| 11:25.55 | fishbulb | so I installed the murrine theme engine, it still wouldn't install with dpkg -i |
| 11:26.07 | fishbulb | there was something else missing and I have no idea what |
| 11:26.28 | jelly | that happens when you install packages from who knows where, yeah |
| 11:26.37 | fishbulb | you mean github? |
| 11:26.40 | jelly | yes |
| 11:26.52 | fishbulb | um. ok. it says there are official debian packages though. |
| 11:27.16 | jelly | so ask the author what they meant by that |
| 11:27.30 | fishbulb | "official distro packages" |
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| 11:27.57 | fishbulb | https://github.com/numixproject/numix-gtk-theme |
| 11:28.12 | fishbulb | have you seen the numix theme? it's actually REALLY good |
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| 11:31.46 | jelly | fishbulb: if the packages are in debian ("official distro"), you ought to be able to find them by name: apt-cache search numix |
| 11:32.13 | jelly | fishbulb: perhaps the author means some other distro, or a not yet released branch |
| 11:33.33 | fishbulb | some other distro with the debian logo and .deb package |
| 11:34.02 | jelly | fishbulb: which debian release do you have installed? |
| 11:34.09 | fishbulb | the only current one |
| 11:34.11 | fishbulb | jessie |
| 11:34.24 | jelly | fishbulb: and what does "apt-cache search numix" say? |
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| 11:34.34 | fishbulb | I upgraded the kernel and some firmware for wireless |
| 11:35.23 | fishbulb | what does it say on yours? |
| 11:35.31 | fishbulb | because I think it shows the package I installed |
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| 11:36.06 | fishbulb | except I couldn't apply it to gnome |
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| 11:37.00 | towo^work | apt-cache search doesn't show only installed packages |
| 11:37.05 | towo^work | learn the basics! |
| 11:37.07 | fishbulb | and if it does show up on yours, can you tell me which repos... or whatever, you have enabled? |
| 11:37.08 | jelly | fishbulb: it says nothing -- there is no package with that name in jessie |
| 11:37.28 | jelly | judd: versions numix-gtk-theme |
| 11:37.28 | fishbulb | it shows up on mine so I must have installed the package |
| 11:37.29 | judd | Package: numix-gtk-theme on amd64 -- stretch: 2.6.6-1; sid: 2.6.6-1 |
| 11:37.40 | fishbulb | ok I don't have sid enabled |
| 11:37.46 | fishbulb | so it must be the one I installed |
| 11:37.54 | jelly | fishbulb: you may have installed a package from testing or unstable on jessie, that's a bad idea |
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| 11:38.04 | fishbulb | no, I installed it from github |
| 11:38.07 | bezaban | lol |
| 11:38.11 | jelly | fishbulb: even worse |
| 11:38.13 | fishbulb | from the authors of this theme |
| 11:38.18 | fishbulb | why the fuck is that worse |
| 11:38.24 | jelly | fishbulb: ask them to provide a build for debian 8 |
| 11:38.26 | fishbulb | they say what it contains |
| 11:38.45 | fishbulb | github is transparent, I thought that was the whole point of it |
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| 11:39.04 | jelly | fishbulb: because it's not guaranteed to work with anything, it hasn't passed even the cursory checks present in debian |
| 11:39.35 | jelly | you can transparently store software and data of untested quality on github, yes |
| 11:39.37 | fishbulb | if I want something that isn't 3 years old, and made by someone else, what am I supposed to do |
| 11:40.20 | jelly | verify that it's built for jessie |
| 11:40.26 | fishbulb | I either install it from the source, or I wait another 3 years? one of those things is happening, the other isn't |
| 11:40.32 | fishbulb | how would it be built for anything else |
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| 11:41.32 | jelly | fishbulb: easily -- the author may not have written the software with versions of gtk and gnome available with jessie in mind |
| 11:41.45 | fishbulb | did you look at the github page? |
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| 11:41.50 | jelly | no |
| 11:42.15 | fishbulb | so am I supposed to transcribe it here for you |
| 11:42.44 | fishbulb | could you please look at the github page? |
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| 11:43.09 | jelly | fishbulb: ok, I did, it doesn't say "we tested this to work on Debian 8" |
| 11:43.37 | jelly | so... it may not actually work as designed |
| 11:44.01 | fishbulb | is there like a dial I can turn for autism |
| 11:44.14 | fishbulb | where context and other stuff is recognised |
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| 11:45.04 | jelly | here's a free hint: if a piece of software says "Debian/Ubuntu", these days it's likely the one writing it did not even try Debian |
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| 11:46.03 | lost_soul | that sounds about right |
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| 11:46.30 | jelly | fishbulb: so whatever context you think may be there, it may be better to adjust your expectations |
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| 11:49.30 | petn-randall | That discussion turned snarky really fast. |
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| 11:54.12 | jelly | random theme doesn't work built from source, and SAYS it requires gtk3 >= 3.18? |
| 11:54.15 | jelly | ,v libgtk-3-0 |
| 11:54.23 | judd | Package: libgtk-3-0 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.4.2-7+deb7u1; jessie: 3.14.5-1+deb8u1; stretch: 3.22.7-2; sid: 3.22.8-1 |
| 11:54.48 | jelly | 3.14.5 is not 3.18 or bigger |
| 11:55.03 | petn-randall | Looks like the author doesn't care about backwards compatibility, or didn't even check. |
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| 11:55.23 | jelly | they did state requirements. |
| 11:55.34 | jelly | it's just fishbulb did not notice them |
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| 11:56.55 | jelly | it will probably work in stretch (it's in there already, so someone has presumably checked basic functionality) |
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| 11:57.56 | jelly | fishbulb: so please do turn your dial to attention for detail, or yes you're going to get snark back |
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| 11:58.52 | themill | and leave random personal insults out of it |
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| 12:12.04 | fishbulb | ok day 3 of debian |
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| 12:13.09 | fishbulb | I think I'm doing alright, others would seem to disagree |
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| 12:16.14 | petn-randall | fishbulb: You're doing fine, as long as you're not running Kali. ;) |
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| 12:20.44 | BluesKaj | fishbulb, expreimenting with unknoen app sources can be fun . but a little research beforehand is probly a safe practice |
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| 12:23.52 | Chrismeister | Hello, I have a pdf of presentation slides. I want to merge the seperate pages into smaller squares to fit in a single page. Is there some good command for this? |
| 12:24.50 | petn-randall | Chrismeister: So, you have slide that are A4, and you want to e.g. fit 4 slides on one A4 page? |
| 12:24.59 | petn-randall | s/slide/slides/ |
| 12:25.04 | Chrismeister | petn-randall: Yes, that is correct |
| 12:26.01 | Chrismeister | It's not actually A4 either I think. But I want to create a A4 |
| 12:26.09 | petn-randall | Chrismeister: The easiest way, when using the desktop is to print to PDF, and then adjust the "pages per slide" setting. |
| 12:26.17 | jelly | Chrismeister: convert to .ps, then do scaling/mapping pages with enscript or pstops |
| 12:26.47 | Chrismeister | petn-randall: Pages per slide is not available it says |
| 12:27.39 | themill | Chrismeister: pdf23 is handy |
| 12:27.48 | themill | err pdfnup |
| 12:29.20 | jelly | right, psnup was the name I couldn't remember |
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| 12:29.58 | Chrismeister | Okey thanks, I will check pdfnup and psnup |
| 12:30.27 | themill | Chrismeister: http://paste.debian.net/915755/ |
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| 12:32.12 | themill | there's also pdfjam-slides3up |
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| 12:33.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | Chrismeister, if this is for one document⦠you can just open the pdf in evince or something, print to pdf and tell it to put 4 pages on one page and what output format |
| 12:34.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | pdfjam and so are nice if you have to do more difficult/precise operations⦠or if you have to do it on a lot of documents, though |
| 12:34.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | for a single document, choosing stuff grapically in the print options may be quicker&easier |
| 12:35.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, that's what petn-randall said⦠but ⦠it *is* available⦠depends on your DE how the menus look, though |
| 12:36.33 | themill | probably also want cups-pdf installed |
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| 12:38.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno⦠I have "un cups-pdf â¦â¦â¦â¦" and it prints to pdf beautifully⦠|
| 12:39.30 | themill | Some applications implement a "Save as PDF" |
| 12:39.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's in the print dialogue to evince (and probably all programs, haven't really tried everything) |
| 12:40.22 | themill | poppler implements a "print to file" that is really "save as" |
| 12:40.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | it looks like a virtual printer⦠I may possibly have done something for that to be as it is about 3 years ago |
| 12:40.50 | Chrismeister | Okey, I will try another pdf-viewer |
| 12:40.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno⦠it can put 4 pages on one without a problem |
| 12:41.13 | Chrismeister | The one I have right now says it's not available |
| 12:41.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess it'd be an interesting question how one can find out what does it on an existing machine |
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| 12:42.09 | CyrusYzGTt | when grub2 in UEFI , show error crc32 or gcm_nes... |
| 12:42.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | cups doesn't seem to know about it⦠maybe it's really poppler |
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| 12:44.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno⦠okular has it, firefox does⦠|
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| 12:44.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | Chrismeister, the option is usually on a different tab of the print dialogue, though |
| 12:45.21 | Chrismeister | CutMeOwnThroat: Firefox worked excellent! |
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| 12:46.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | weird |
| 12:46.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | what did you try before that |
| 12:46.58 | Chrismeister | CutMeOwnThroat: I started it in a virtual machine. Does firefox inherit the pdf-viewer from the OS? |
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| 12:48.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno really⦠I think for me it's an adobe plugin/extension⦠that opens them⦠|
| 12:49.30 | Chrismeister | I think I run Evince |
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| 13:03.13 | lmw | judd versions linux-image-amd64 |
| 13:03.14 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.16+63~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.16+63; jessie-backports: 4.8+77~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.9+78; sid: 4.9+79 |
| 13:03.45 | lmw | no 4.10 in sid or experimental? |
| 13:03.57 | jelly | Chrismeister: firefox has its own embedded pdf thingy |
| 13:04.22 | jelly | not adobe's, mozilla's own |
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| 13:04.48 | tomcres | lmw it's in experimental |
| 13:04.50 | tomcres | ,kernels |
| 13:04.51 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.10.0-rc6-686-pae (4.10~rc6-1~exp2); sid: 4.9.0-2-686 (4.9.10-1); stretch: 4.9.0-1-686-pae (4.9.6-3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.9.2-2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.39-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.84-1) |
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| 13:05.17 | lmw | Ah, thank you! But not the stable release yet :( |
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| 13:05.29 | lmw | still rc6 |
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| 13:08.59 | jelly | lmw: kernel team starts caring more about the release kernel this time of cycle |
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| 13:09.41 | jelly | so 4.9.10 takes priority over uploads to experimental |
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| 13:09.53 | duser | Hello to everyone, I've noticed that Debian uses the packaging system to ship any type of file, not only software. Pratically all files present on the file system of a Debian system are shipped by a package. Anyway I was wondering if there are any files that are present on all Debian systems but are not actually shipped by a package. |
| 13:09.55 | VOIPtUK | hello, since moving from centos I've noticed that with the same applications my open files has gone from 15,000 to 300,000 +, is this normal? |
| 13:10.35 | jelly | VOIPtUK: does it stay fixed or slowly increase? |
| 13:10.52 | jelly | 300k sounds excessive for a workstation |
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| 13:11.19 | VOIPtUK | fixed is, I just did some voip testeing of 1000 calls and it went to 16 million. Where my other server on centos was around 30,000 |
| 13:11.28 | VOIPtUK | 16 million seems a bit excessive |
| 13:11.46 | jelly | so it's a server, not a workstation? |
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| 13:12.20 | VOIPtUK | server yes |
| 13:12.46 | jelly | what are you using, asterisk or something else? |
| 13:12.53 | VOIPtUK | freeswitch |
| 13:13.28 | jelly | from their distro or self-built or what? |
| 13:13.35 | jelly | s/distro/repo/ |
| 13:13.38 | VOIPtUK | freeswitch self built |
| 13:13.46 | VOIPtUK | latest vresion 1.6 |
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| 13:15.00 | jelly | since you built from source, you'll probably have better luck asking the freeswitch people |
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| 13:15.56 | jelly | VOIPtUK: did you try using lsof to figure out which processes leak fd-s |
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| 13:16.21 | VOIPtUK | I did, just still looking for command that will single out the pid |
| 13:16.26 | VOIPtUK | showing a count |
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| 13:17.27 | garn32 | having problems with chromium on debian, all google related services respond with 'sent an invalid response' ERR_SSL_PROTOCOL_ERROR, anyone else having this types of issue? |
| 13:17.57 | VOIPtUK | If I do lsof -p PID, it doesnt do a count |
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| 13:19.17 | BluesKaj | garn32, try google-chrome browser instead |
| 13:19.26 | petn-randall | garn32: Sounds like you're using https for a http site, like https://google.com:80/ |
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| 13:20.16 | garn32 | petn-randall: I don't think so... I see "https://www.google.com" in the url |
| 13:20.25 | garn32 | BluesKaj: I will give that a try |
| 13:20.34 | zykotick9 | duser: the installer puts some files on the system... /etc/fstab is one. "dpgk -S /etc/fstab" returns "dpkg-query: no path found matcthing..." <- 'cause it didn't come from a package. |
| 13:21.57 | WangDang_ | VOIPtUK: "lsof -p <PID> | wc -l" then subtract 1 from the total to account for the header line in the lsof output |
| 13:22.12 | VOIPtUK | ok thanks |
| 13:22.48 | jelly | VOIPtUK: count them with awk, or perl, or something. sudo lsof -n| awk '{count[$2]++; name[$2]=$1} END {for (k in count) {printf "%-20s %6d %6d\n", name[k], k, count[k]}}' |sort -k3,3n|tail -n 20 |
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| 13:24.18 | jelly | VOIPtUK: that's name, pid, count columns in output |
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| 13:24.48 | duser | zykotick9: thank you for the response. So the installer just places files that are specific to the local system which cannot be generic like in the case of the partition table in /etc/fstab |
| 13:25.35 | WangDang_ | jelly: wow! your scriptfu is awesome! It's going to take me a while to work through that example to figure it out... |
| 13:25.58 | zykotick9 | duser: i'd "guess" the installer puts a lot of files on the system (not from packages), but that's just a guess... |
| 13:26.00 | Razva | guys, why is Debian not showing X552 NICs? |
| 13:26.19 | VOIPtUK | ok thanks, I just checked PID of freeswitch and my application and on centos and debian they matching well enough. So its something else thats doing it. No idea what...hum |
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| 13:28.02 | dTal | zykotick9: check the instructions for debootstrap https://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
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| 13:28.54 | dTal | the 'debbootstrap' stage just installs the base system packages, so the rest is a nice little guide to the other things that have to happen |
| 13:29.04 | missmbob | VOIPtUK: so...run the script jelly gave you |
| 13:29.17 | dTal | of course those instructions are for a chroot - a live install would need a bootloader etc |
| 13:29.27 | jelly | WangDang_: learn about "associative arrays" in whatever scripting language you like best, then you'll be able to write oneliners yourself and impress ladies (or gentlemen, or whoever you like best) |
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| 13:30.11 | WangDang_ | :) lol |
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| 13:30.23 | lmw | Hm? |
| 13:30.58 | garn32 | BluesKaj: google-chrome does work |
| 13:31.16 | WangDang_ | is laughing at impressing the ladies (or gentelmen) not at learning about assiative arrays |
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| 13:31.43 | BluesKaj | garn32, good |
| 13:32.03 | tomcres | who knew awk skills could help you get dates! |
| 13:32.13 | n4dir | only awk ! |
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| 13:36.03 | petn-randall | It gets awkward when she wants to see your python, but you only know JS. >_> <_< |
| 13:37.31 | WangDang_ | hahaha |
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| 13:40.38 | VOIPtUK | found the culprit jsvc, going to run the jar outside of this to see what happens |
| 13:40.46 | fearnothing | hi, I'm trying to run a ./configure script which is breaking on nfnetlink, saying it's not found |
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| 13:40.53 | tw | lol awk associative accumulator. that's actually a good one-liner to have memorized considering how often the problem comes up. |
| 13:41.04 | fearnothing | but... "libnfnetlink0 is already the newest version." |
| 13:41.26 | fearnothing | so clearly the ./configure is not looking for the right name, or is looking in the wrong place, right? |
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| 13:41.41 | fearnothing | how do I figure out where it should be looking, and point it there? |
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| 13:41.45 | tw | do you have libnfnetlink0-dev installed? |
| 13:41.45 | missmbob | fearnothing: you need the dev package. libnfnetlink-dev |
| 13:41.50 | jelly | VOIPtUK: jsvc from distro? |
| 13:41.51 | fearnothing | oh |
| 13:41.52 | tw | or that name. |
| 13:42.30 | VOIPtUK | from memory it was apt-get install jsvc |
| 13:42.58 | jelly | we usually use jsw instead (service-wrapper package, it seems) |
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| 13:43.40 | VOIPtUK | oh, I was thinking that maybe jsvc with systemd could be an issue |
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| 13:45.50 | fearnothing | thank you tw, that worked |
| 13:46.18 | fearnothing | why does everything seem to want -dev packages? |
| 13:46.20 | tw | How painful is switching my workstation to sid and not a sid chroot+multistrap instead? |
| 13:46.24 | fearnothing | what's the issue with the non -dev ones? |
| 13:46.38 | tw | fearnothing: -dev packages are only needed for compiling. They are the headers and sometimes dev docs. |
| 13:47.28 | fearnothing | ahh |
| 13:47.29 | jelly | tw: if you have a second workstation to do _work_ on when this one breaks, sure, knock yourself out |
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| 13:48.10 | tw | jelly: That's the question I'm asking. So a chroot or KVM for sid is highly recommended. |
| 13:48.22 | jelly | tw: if this is your only/main machine, don't. Buy more RAM and set up VM, yeah |
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| 13:53.04 | Vertigo89_89 | Hi |
| 13:53.07 | tw | How good is linux KVM at vballoon these days? Can I set it as 1-24GB (of 32+GB) and have the host apply memory pressure correctly? |
| 13:53.29 | tw | I usually do hugepage allocations for KVM, but I've never had an adaptive workload I wanted to allocate. |
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| 13:56.21 | tw | k, I suppose I better try it. This is possibly the wrong place for that particular question. |
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| 14:10.43 | VOIPtUK | back again guys, I have started my .jar file outside of jsvc and it starts up with 185,000. MY other server running it via jsvc is currently at 2500 |
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| 14:10.56 | razer_ | Debian comes with the open source ATI Radeon drivers installed by default, right? |
| 14:11.10 | VOIPtUK | the jar itself is the same, identical copy. The only difference here is OS |
| 14:11.52 | jelly | VOIPtUK: which JVM and version are you using to run it, tho |
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| 14:12.24 | VOIPtUK | on debain server its OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea 2.6.7) (7u111-2.6.7-2~deb8u1) |
| 14:12.31 | VOIPtUK | if thats what you mean? |
| 14:12.48 | VOIPtUK | and OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 24.111-b01, mixed mode) |
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| 14:14.05 | VOIPtUK | oh I missed this too java version "1.7.0_111" |
| 14:14.24 | jelly | and the other server? |
| 14:14.40 | VOIPtUK | java version "1.7.0_65", OpenJDK Runtime Environment (rhel-2.5.1.2.el5_10-x86_64 u65-b17), OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 24.65-b04, mixed mode) |
| 14:15.00 | jelly | that's reasonably similar but who knows with java |
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| 14:15.16 | VOIPtUK | haha, yeah them see quite close |
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| 14:15.45 | jelly | both are openjdk, 64bit, 7uSomething |
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| 14:16.42 | razer_ | Does anyone know why the Macintosh ISO for Debian doesn't boot on Macintosh, but the regular one does? |
| 14:16.43 | jelly | VOIPtUK: maybe find 7u65 or 7u66 on snapshot.debian.org, downgrade, see if that stops fs leaks |
| 14:16.59 | jelly | fd* |
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| 14:17.27 | jelly | VOIPtUK: or try openjdk 8 if your app supports it. It's available from jessie-backports repo |
| 14:17.31 | jelly | !jessie-backports |
| 14:17.31 | dpkg | Selected packages intended for the Debian 9 "Stretch" release but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. Note that jessie-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main». Also ask me about <bdo>. |
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| 14:20.46 | VOIPtUK | thanks for this jelly, I'll try OpenJDK 8 to see how that goes |
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| 14:27.40 | Kobaz | hmm |
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| 14:28.57 | Kobaz | echo "-1.pm" | sed s/[0-9]\+\.pm// |
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| 14:29.04 | allizom | razer_: where did you find this Mac image? if it is the netinst mac image, it is for mac minis as can be read here https://wiki.debian.org/MacMiniIntel#Macmini_1.2C1 |
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| 14:29.19 | Kobaz | why does that print out -1.pm... it's not matching the [0-9]\+ |
| 14:29.52 | razer_ | allizom: I found it with the CD images. It was net-install. I have an iMac, not a mac mini. |
| 14:30.41 | allizom | you should use the regular image, then. Using an USB stick or optical media? |
| 14:30.44 | razer_ | allizom: These are the ISO's I have debian-mac-8.7.1-amd64-netinst.iso, debian-mac-stretch-DI-rc2-amd64-netinst.iso, debian-mac-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 14:31.33 | razer_ | allizom: Only this one booted and allowed me to install: debian-8.7.1-amd64-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 14:32.20 | allizom | you should not use the debian-mac images as they are intended for a different hardware model |
| 14:32.53 | razer_ | allizom: Ok. I guess just mac mini. That is weird it wouldn't even boot though. |
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| 14:33.06 | allizom | but you should convert the image beforehand if using an USB stick |
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| 14:34.08 | razer_ | allizom: Convert? I did not convert it. I did see an ubuntu guide that said to use hditul convert and tried that. |
| 14:34.10 | allizom | hdiutil convert /path/to/debian.iso -format UDRW -o /path/to/target.img |
| 14:34.14 | allizom | yep, that |
| 14:34.40 | razer_ | allizom: Yeah, I did that on an ubuntu ISO, but it didn't help. I think it still didn't boot or the ubuntu install crashed. |
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| 14:35.28 | razer_ | allizom: I've tried installing ubuntu multiple times over the years on my iMac and the installer always crashes. I've only been able to install Debian and openSuse. |
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| 14:35.34 | allizom | I guess that's an issue for #ubuntu then :P |
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| 14:36.42 | cookie4700 | Hello, is there a way I can figure out what options a package can have when I want to install it with apt-get |
| 14:36.58 | VOIPtUK | and back, updated to java 8 started jar and it was higher with 193,000. |
| 14:37.26 | allizom | cookie4700: define "options" |
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| 14:39.01 | cookie4700 | Options: parameters you can define with -o OPTION=VALUE |
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| 14:43.16 | cookie4700 | or is there a possibility to omit package configuration at install time? |
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| 14:44.26 | allizom | cookie4700: seems that man apt.conf is what you're looking for |
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| 14:48.15 | cookie4700 | allizom: I'll have a look, thanks! |
| 14:48.31 | cookie4700 | I was reading man apt-cache |
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| 15:08.28 | dTal | this is why Linux on the desktop is dead |
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| 15:08.54 | dTal | went to play with SolveSpace, cool looking parametric CAD program |
| 15:09.05 | dTal | and it supports Linux! Yay! |
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| 15:09.15 | dTal | go to download |
| 15:09.17 | dTal | "You will need CMake, libpng, zlib, json-c, fontconfig, freetype, gtkmm 2.4, |
| 15:09.18 | dTal | pangomm 1.4, OpenGL, OpenGL GLU and OpenGL GLEW, and optionally, the Space Navigator |
| 15:09.19 | Lowl3v3l | dTal: in which universe is linux dead on the desktop? i really need to tell my systems and 20+ people Linux user Group. |
| 15:09.20 | dTal | client library." |
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| 15:09.48 | dTal | grabbed the Windows version and ran under wine, runs instantly ans flawlessly |
| 15:10.10 | missmbob | dTal: that's the developer's problem. they could make a flatpak or snap |
| 15:10.18 | rgr | Any of you fellas any experience in using a DELL XP 13 laptop with current debian stable? I desperately need a new laptop and it seems to fit the bill. Nothing opengl/gaming but needs to be a strong development machine. |
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| 15:10.27 | jelly | dTal: welcome to open source software, vendor can't be bothered building for each one of 50 major distros and releases |
| 15:10.39 | Lowl3v3l | rgr: tuxedo maybe? |
| 15:10.52 | rgr | Lowl3v3l: because your 20+ people are such a huge representation. Out there Linux desktops are very very rare. Lets add another very. Certainly in some web technology development houses they use Linux but very rarely elsewhere. |
| 15:10.56 | Lowl3v3l | jelly: well vendor COULD just package all stuff together with an installer script ;) |
| 15:10.57 | rgr | tuxedo? |
| 15:11.04 | dTal | jelly: missmbob:I'm trying to figure if this is a cultural problem or a technical one |
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| 15:11.11 | jelly | Lowl3v3l: go do the work for them. |
| 15:11.16 | Lowl3v3l | rgr: yeah its rare. but its far from dead. |
| 15:11.16 | jelly | dTal: both |
| 15:11.30 | Lowl3v3l | jelly: nah. I dont care about this specific software, sorry^^ |
| 15:11.38 | dTal | there's no reason why they couldn't provide a static build, just like the single-exe Windows build |
| 15:11.40 | missmbob | dTal: both methods are newish, so there's that. takes time to catch on. but it's available |
| 15:11.46 | Lowl3v3l | rgr: https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/index.php |
| 15:12.06 | dTal | Why couldn't they roll the whole thing into a static binary? |
| 15:12.08 | rgr | of course its not dead or we wouldnt be here. But its effectively dead for many commercial SW developers who target desktop users. But doesn't bother us as we dont need their commercial stuff in the most part. |
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| 15:12.17 | bezaban | rgr: I share offices with a guy who runs linux on a skylake xps13, but he went with arch. Personally I did fedora for my x260 skylake, but with a newer kernel you might get debian to work, it was not as straight forward as I had hoped 6 months ago. The older xps13 supports debian very well |
| 15:12.32 | missmbob | dTal: that's basically what those methods do. that's why i said it's a developer problem |
| 15:12.34 | rgr | That said I did cough up for PHPStorm. And thats a yearly license. |
| 15:12.40 | jelly | dTal: because testing static binaries on a dozen disros is work, too |
| 15:12.46 | rgr | bezaban: thanks |
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| 15:13.11 | bezaban | rgr: cpu is one, the usb-c dongle/dock whatnot is still problematic afaik |
| 15:13.12 | dTal | Why should it need testing? Kernel ABI is stable |
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| 15:13.19 | rgr | (that said I tend to go with testing) |
| 15:13.24 | missmbob | dTal: so, yeah. feel free to ask them why they dont use flatpak or similar |
| 15:13.30 | rgr | I wont be using any usb c. I think... |
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| 15:13.39 | tw | correction, kernel userspace ABI is stable. |
| 15:13.43 | jelly | dTal: lol |
| 15:13.48 | tw | ish. |
| 15:13.51 | bezaban | since the xps13 has most ports via dongles, including ethernet |
| 15:14.24 | dTal | missmbob: I may well do so, if I end up liking it - but it's also just an example. Lots of free software has "binaries for Windows, source for Linux" |
| 15:14.28 | rgr | I usually used thinkpads over the years but i hear good things about this particular dell. |
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| 15:14.41 | rgr | but now I look it seems there are a host of versions. |
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| 15:15.31 | Vutral|BSD | hm |
| 15:15.31 | Vutral|BSD | how do i easy get a net bootable debian kernel |
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| 15:15.54 | jelly | dTal: however if you package it up for inclusion in debian, it will automatically be installable for lots of users 5 years from now |
| 15:16.00 | jelly | ^_^ |
| 15:16.06 | bezaban | rgr: yeah, it's a nice one. For me it was between 13xps, carbon x1 and lenovo x260. Ended on the latter |
| 15:16.21 | rgr | is that lenovo a TP? |
| 15:16.31 | bezaban | TP? |
| 15:16.31 | rgr | oh it is I think yeah. And no issues? |
| 15:16.34 | rgr | thinkpad |
| 15:16.37 | bezaban | yeah, right. |
| 15:16.47 | thinkpad | dankpad |
| 15:16.58 | dTal | jelly: part of the appeal of this program is it's a full parametric CAD program in a single binary that's a little over 6 megs |
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| 15:17.04 | bezaban | I had some issues, but now absolutely everything is working with fedora, some quirks on the 4g modem, but otherwise golden. |
| 15:17.16 | bezaban | will try debian again soon, ubuntu 16 worked pretty well |
| 15:17.27 | rgr | I love the x series. had an x30 with debian running a company's web site for a few years. Always sniggered when I saw many people spending thousands of HW and SW they never needed. |
| 15:17.57 | dTal | so packaging is in a sense redundant |
| 15:18.13 | rgr | I wont touch Ubuntu. I despise their release policy and the fan boy element in the forums ;) I'm too old and crusty to be dealing with 18 year old HaxOrz. |
| 15:18.26 | rgr | ;) |
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| 15:20.10 | bezaban | rgr: haha yeah, I wasn't happy with the state of the initial ubuntu install and replaced it pretty quick. My workflow fits debian simplicity very well, although running i3 on an i7 might be considered overkill by some :P |
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| 15:20.47 | bezaban | but more cpu for other stuff, and that's i3wm if there was confusion |
| 15:21.50 | jasonwc | Hello, I upgraded my Wheezy server to Jessie and the ZFS On Linux packages I was using for Wheezy (no ZFS packages prior to Jessie) are preventing ZFS from being upgraded, leaving the system in a broken state. I tried manually removing the ZFS packages to no avail. apt-get -f install also doesn't work. How do I manually remove them so I can install the packages from jessie-backports? Here's |
| 15:21.50 | jasonwc | the output from apt: http://pastebin.com/kiJ6KT45 |
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| 15:23.58 | jelly | rgr: that was 10 years ago. ubuntu is now mainstream and fanboys have long gone |
| 15:24.19 | jelly | also, they have LTS releases |
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| 15:25.19 | centrx | On the other hand, Ubuntu sucks, Debian rulez~ |
| 15:25.21 | centrx | ! |
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| 15:31.22 | jasonwc | Nevermind, the Debian manual had the solution. I just had to use sudo dpkg -r --force-depends for the broken packages |
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| 15:33.42 | tw | I basically agree on the linux packaging thing; there are no solid userspace compiled interfaces that are guaranteed to be ABI compatible or have compat. shims between distribution releases except maybe zlib, Xlib, and openssl. Linux/FOSS just doesn't seem to have the desire or the necessary resources to hit that objective. |
| 15:35.16 | VOIPtUK | I have matched the same java version now and its still the same, when I start my app its starting with 185,000 |
| 15:35.33 | fishbulb | I'm on day 3 of debian |
| 15:35.44 | fishbulb | can someone help with this |
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| 15:36.23 | fishbulb | https://github.com/numixproject/numix-gtk-theme |
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| 15:37.26 | fishbulb | I want to install this, it's in the next release |
| 15:37.59 | fishbulb | I know WHY it's in the next release, it looks completely great |
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| 15:38.24 | fishbulb | but I want to apply it to this debian install, jessie |
| 15:38.25 | missmbob | you can just download stretch's deb from the website and dpkg -i |
| 15:38.45 | fishbulb | you were helping the other night, I tried that |
| 15:39.15 | missmbob | i tried it here and it worked. so start pastebining commands/output |
| 15:39.19 | fishbulb | and I even think the package is installed |
| 15:39.32 | fishbulb | did you apply the icons and theme though? |
| 15:39.42 | missmbob | yes |
| 15:39.56 | fishbulb | can you tell me how? |
| 15:40.02 | tw | you ran the gsettings commands? |
| 15:40.09 | tw | like on the page you linked. |
| 15:40.29 | missmbob | menu->settings->appearance |
| 15:40.32 | fishbulb | did you build it or just install the debian package? |
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| 15:41.03 | missmbob | package |
| 15:41.30 | fishbulb | menu settings appearance? there's no appearance here in the settings |
| 15:41.47 | missmbob | you asked how i did it. in my DE there is. |
| 15:41.59 | fishbulb | is it gnome |
| 15:42.23 | missmbob | *shrug* havent touched it since 3 came out |
| 15:42.39 | fishbulb | the dozens of little tweaks I did with arch have all gone |
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| 15:43.00 | missmbob | and you kept the same home dir? |
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| 15:43.13 | fishbulb | no I saved my personal content and trashed everything |
| 15:43.32 | missmbob | .config files? |
| 15:43.54 | fishbulb | I saved only the content I created, and I wiped everything, clean install, get shit done right |
| 15:44.27 | fishbulb | start from the start, not from a clusterfuck of shit I don't remember |
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| 15:45.16 | missmbob | just google how to for gnome. cant be that difficult to find |
| 15:45.42 | fishbulb | (process:7507): dconf-WARNING **: failed to commit changes to dconf: The connection is closed |
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| 15:45.54 | fishbulb | that's the output when I try to do either of the commands to apply the theme |
| 15:46.43 | fishbulb | so what you did was just install the package? |
| 15:46.51 | fishbulb | and then it was there and you could apply it? |
| 15:46.57 | missmbob | yes |
| 15:47.12 | fishbulb | the package is installed here |
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| 15:47.57 | jelly | fishbulb: short answer is you can't use it, it requires newer GTK3 than what's in jessie |
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| 15:48.45 | fishbulb | ok then how do I get the newer gnome |
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| 15:48.59 | jelly | upgrade to stretch, no other way |
| 15:49.01 | domovoy_ | hi |
| 15:49.09 | fishbulb | and I know perfectly well why it's in the next version of debian, because this is the best theme in existence |
| 15:49.39 | fishbulb | is stretch ready to use? I just started on debian |
| 15:49.47 | jelly | no, it's no |
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| 15:50.14 | jelly | when it's ready, the fine release team will make a release |
| 15:50.38 | fishbulb | ok I need a newer version of gnome |
| 15:50.49 | jelly | fishbulb: there is none for jessie |
| 15:51.00 | fishbulb | what about backports or sometihng |
| 15:51.03 | jelly | nope |
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| 15:51.32 | fishbulb | I'm so sick of distro hopping |
| 15:51.35 | jelly | this is what none means. It does not exist. Anywhere. Noone made it. Not backports, not anyone |
| 15:52.15 | domovoy_ | i'm in big trouble here. laptop was in hibernate, when i started it again, no grub, no boot, no nothing, just the hdd led being lit (constantly). So reboot on a usb, dmesg reports a lot of read errors on the disk, smartctl tests too... tried fsck.ext4 on all filesystems, and then chroot to try and fix things: a LOT is missing (ie libpcre, /etc/apt...), any way to recover? or am i screwed? why did this happen? |
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| 15:52.32 | fishbulb | so I can't use the software I want to |
| 15:53.48 | fishbulb | so the operating system restricts the software to only what "it" wants me to use, and I am not allowed to use what I actually want to |
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| 15:55.36 | zykotick9 | fishbulb: i can't install DirectX 11 on my debian! debian is restricting me! </sarcasm> |
| 15:55.56 | fishbulb | I was talking about gnome |
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| 15:56.29 | fishbulb | that's not even sarcasm, no part of that makes any sense at all |
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| 15:56.54 | zykotick9 | fishbulb: that's ok, your argument/complaint doens't make sense either |
| 15:57.16 | fishbulb | that I can't use a newer version of gnome? |
| 15:58.03 | fishbulb | whatever your opinion about that is, it's not worth anything |
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| 15:58.22 | ackb | does mod security for apache2 not support json ? |
| 15:58.46 | ackb | running debian 8 and I get "ModSecurity: JSON support was not enabled" -.- |
| 15:59.12 | towo` | fishbulb, how many days you will crying again and again about that? |
| 15:59.29 | fishbulb | this is day 3 on debian |
| 15:59.29 | towo` | fishbulb, use arch if you want allways the nevest software |
| 15:59.44 | towo` | fishbulb, debian does not fit your needs |
| 15:59.48 | fishbulb | I sometimes want the newest software |
| 15:59.54 | dTal | domovoy_: your disk failed, you're screwed |
| 16:00.34 | dTal | you should not have fsck'd, that will have fsckd it up more |
| 16:00.47 | fishbulb | so in answer to your question, I'll keep "crying" about it about as long as it takes to find a distro where I can actually use LINUX software that I want to |
| 16:01.17 | towo` | fishbulb, then go away and use $whateveryouwant |
| 16:01.18 | dTal | the proper procedure when that happens is to attempt to dump the entire contents of your drive, byte by byte, with something like ddrescue |
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| 16:02.01 | dTal | then you use a data carving tool to rescue what you can from the corrupted image |
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| 16:02.32 | fishbulb | unless debian can be upgraded to squeeze now |
| 16:03.09 | towo` | who is stopping you for upgrading to stretch? |
| 16:03.16 | domovoy_ | dTal: this disk can't have failed, it's not that old, it looks like something similar to that: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/550559 |
| 16:03.29 | fishbulb | how is that upgrade done |
| 16:03.40 | zykotick9 | doh... |
| 16:04.19 | dTal | domovoy_: disks don't have to be old to fail - in fact you typically see two failure rate peaks, one when the disk is nearly new and one when it's worn out |
| 16:04.28 | towo` | fishbulb, rtfm |
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| 16:04.50 | dTal | you're talking about read errors and smartctl failures, that's nothing to do with filesystems or anything software |
| 16:04.51 | domovoy_ | a disk can't fail "just like that" can it? there must be warning signs |
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| 16:04.55 | dTal | that's just a borked disk |
| 16:05.09 | zykotick9 | fishbulb: note, when testing breaks seek support in #debian-next on the OFTC network... not here. |
| 16:05.19 | dTal | domovoy_: I'm afraid they can |
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| 16:06.04 | fishbulb | didn't I already tell you what your opinion is worth to me |
| 16:06.15 | domovoy_ | dTal: so... i'm f*cked? can i at least try to recover important data? |
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| 16:07.00 | dTal | your best bet is to follow the procedure I mentioned - boot a recovery disk, do NOT mount your drive, run ddrescue |
| 16:07.32 | dTal | then you can try fscking (a copy of) the disk image, or if that doesn't work as I say a data carving too |
| 16:07.37 | dTal | *tool |
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| 16:08.31 | domovoy_ | dTal: like testdisk? |
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| 16:10.12 | dTal | domovoy_: worth a shot, but testdisk might not be powerful enough if the disk is properly corrupted |
| 16:10.32 | dTal | just do all your screwing around on an image, make the image first and back it up |
| 16:10.46 | dTal | unless there's no personal data on it, in which case screw it |
| 16:12.12 | tw | domovoy_: I use a knoppix live CD and an external USB drive to do that imaging. You may want to try the same disk with a different HDD controller or motherboard to make sure it isn't controller failure. |
| 16:12.38 | tw | But you still don't want to mount it, just check for read errors in the system log when running ddrescue. |
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| 16:13.56 | domovoy_ | well, at least one partition have important data... but that means, i need an external drive with enough space to store the image... which i don't have |
| 16:14.14 | tw | I take it you don't have backups either. =/ |
| 16:14.27 | domovoy_ | f*ck, now is not the time for something like this |
| 16:14.32 | dTal | ouch |
| 16:14.36 | jhutchins | domovoy_: You also need a new internal drive. |
| 16:15.01 | dTal | that's a point, you have to buy a new hard drive anyway |
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| 16:15.27 | jhutchins | domovoy_: Actually, you need two, one to use for backups in the future. |
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| 16:16.07 | jhutchins | I don't know of any software that will watch smartutil errors and alert you if the drive's going bad. It would be useful. |
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| 16:17.07 | zykotick9 | gets emails on smart errors... |
| 16:17.10 | tw | actually, I think smartmontools, the default smart package does exactly that. |
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| 16:17.54 | dTal | as a general principle, you should assume that any drive can fail at any time |
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| 16:19.54 | domovoy_ | ok then, if i got it right: buy an external drive to store a ddrescue image of the partition with important data, ddrescue it. Try the bad disk on another controller to make sure the problem is the disk itself. if it is, buy a new disk, start with a new os on it, try and recover as much as possible from the ddrescue image. right? |
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| 16:23.08 | tw | domovoy_: About right. To give you some scope, ddrescue with a failing disk of reasonable size (~1TB) can take from hours to days depending on the disk size, error frequency, and if the kernel is resetting the device after errors. Plan accordingly. |
| 16:23.54 | domovoy_ | tw: ok, thanks. the partition is 120GB |
| 16:24.31 | domovoy_ | now i also need another machine on which i can plug that disk, in order to make sure the problem is not the controller itself... |
| 16:24.43 | domovoy_ | f*ck f*ck f*ck |
| 16:25.35 | domovoy_ | that will screw up my wallet, and put me way beind on some work i have to do |
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| 16:26.12 | domovoy_ | ok, let's go buy a disk then |
| 16:26.29 | tw | Or a PCIe controller host adapter, or a friend's PC. I do not recommend a USB HDD dock, though it technically qualifies because getting a good one is more exploratory than predictable. |
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| 16:27.21 | ychaouche | Hello #debian |
| 16:27.39 | domovoy_ | thanks for the advices guys, i'm sure i'll come back later for more |
| 16:27.47 | ychaouche | I'd like to know if let's encrypt certificate is present in /etc/ssl/certs ? |
| 16:28.06 | ychaouche | I can't find anything that starts with capital L or just l. |
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| 16:31.18 | tw | let's encrypt's root is "DST Root CA X3" |
| 16:31.52 | tw | At least for the one I checked. |
| 16:32.22 | ychaouche | So it's not a root certificate but an intermediate one, right ? |
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| 16:35.06 | tw | let's encrypt is an intermediate CA, yes, deriving trust from the CA I listed. By default in jessie, the ca-certificates package contains the required root CA cert. |
| 16:36.00 | ychaouche | thanks tw, all clear. |
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| 16:44.12 | tw | ychaouche: actually, I looked it up and their intermediate is cross-signed by the above. Let's encrypt's main root is "ISRG Root X1" but since it isn't in my google-chrome's trusted roots list, it didn't show it to me in the CA chain when I inspected it. |
| 16:44.38 | tw | "ISRG Root X1" is also in ca-certificates in jessie. |
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| 16:47.14 | ychaouche | can't seem to find it... https://gist.github.com/ychaouche/25c9ae7c1f8169e2395bace478e83809 |
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| 16:51.32 | soulspire | I use Nitrogen on i3wm to display a wallpaper that usually spans across 2 displays, does i3 not support this? |
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| 16:53.03 | TomTomTosch | i3 has nothing to do with the background. i use feh to set one. |
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| 16:54.38 | soulspire | So you have dusal display supporting one wallpaper TomTomTosch ? |
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| 16:54.57 | soulspire | dual* |
| 16:55.24 | TomTomTosch | mine is just copied. i don't care much, it's covered most of the time anyway. |
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| 16:55.48 | Razva | it seems that Debian 8 doesn't have ixgbe drivers, so I cannot download the driver. I have IPMI but it's useless, as I cannot just "insert" the driver into Debian (or at least not at my skill level) |
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| 16:56.04 | Razva | so any hints on how to load ixgbe before the net setup? |
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| 17:02.50 | soulspire | Sometimes I assign 2 blank workspaces to show the background when not using my PC, I have no issues with other WM with dual display wallpaper support, I will try FEH though TomTomTosch |
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| 17:05.35 | TomTomTosch | feh does actually have support for different files on differens screens, never used it, though. |
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| 17:07.21 | TomTomTosch | i then put a script in the .i3/config file to run i3 and redshift once i3 gets started. |
| 17:07.38 | TomTomTosch | eh, to run feh and redshift. ^^ |
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| 17:08.25 | jhutchins | goes of too google ixgbe |
| 17:09.03 | jhutchins | Razva: https://sourceforge.net/projects/e1000/files/ixgbe%20stable/ |
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| 17:09.36 | Razva | jhutchins: yeah but how in the world should I "send" the file to the server, as I have only IPMI... |
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| 17:10.13 | jhutchins | Razva: No direct acces? |
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| 17:10.35 | jhutchins | Razva: I would expect the e1000 driver to work, just not at 10G. |
| 17:10.45 | soulspire | tyvm TomTomTosch |
| 17:11.19 | jhutchins | Razva: How did you boot to an install medium? |
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| 17:13.17 | Razva | jhutchins: via IPMI |
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| 17:40.10 | v0lk | is it possible to remove gnome 3 and have debian run builtin desktop without causing any problems if it's already installed? |
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| 17:41.12 | somiaj | what do you mean by builtin desktop? |
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| 17:41.26 | somiaj | if you remove gnome3 but still want a grahical de/wm, y ou'll have to isntall the one you want |
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| 17:41.52 | v0lk | the standard window manager desktop (I forget the name) |
| 17:42.16 | v0lk | would it be gnome 2? |
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| 17:42.30 | somiaj | no, it would be gnome3 |
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| 17:42.54 | somiaj | well it defaults to gnome3, but I don't like to thikn of debian having a default, install the de you want. If you want a gnome2 like de, use mate |
| 17:42.59 | v0lk | tbh I just want to get rid of all the social media integration bullshit and try save some ram when running a gui |
| 17:43.12 | somiaj | I don't know gnome or how to configure it |
| 17:43.26 | somiaj | but debian provides you the choice of many DE's and lots of WMs |
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| 17:44.07 | nkuttler | v0lk: there are many lightweight window managers, or xfce |
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| 17:45.38 | SuperTramp83 | Xfce or LXDE, v0lk |
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| 17:46.07 | somiaj | mate, kde, cinimon, and then list all the WMs, there is lots of choice, choose the one that fits your needs |
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| 17:47.00 | v0lk | SuperTramp83,somiaj.nkuttler; I'll give it a go and see what happens, xfce and lxde seem pretty resource saving, thanks for the advice :) |
| 17:48.41 | v0lk | thanks again & have a good one! |
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| 17:59.34 | jhutchins | Razva: There are ways to supply additional drivers during the install sequence. |
| 17:59.40 | jhutchins | !firmware |
| 17:59.40 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 18:00.02 | jhutchins | !drivers |
| 18:00.02 | dpkg | [driver] a piece of code, typically in kernelspace (but not always), which allows you to control a piece of hardware. The biggest exception is video drivers for Linux, which are often part of the (userspace) X server. (3D accelerated video drivers are a weird hybrid that have both kernelspace *and* userspace components.) Ask me about <driver locator>, <module>, <nodriver>. |
| 18:00.22 | jhutchins | !nodriver |
| 18:00.22 | dpkg | Some hardware types do not require a Linux kernel driver for their use, see http://linuxdriverproject.org/mediawiki/index.php/No_Linux_Driver_Needed |
| 18:00.55 | jhutchins | Razva: There have been ways to get an installer with out-of-band drivers in the past. |
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| 18:05.23 | npower10 | hello |
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| 18:10.29 | npower10 | hello |
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| 18:12.00 | jhutchins | npower10: Did you have a support question? |
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| 18:14.00 | binaryc | Mesing with centralized authentication. Think I am going with freeipa. Freeipa-client in debian is pretty new/in unstable. What is stable go to standard for IDM (Kerbsos/LDAP) interopability in Debian ? LDAP nss manual configuration per https://wiki.debian.org/LDAP/NSS ? |
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| 18:16.09 | npower10 | so how to set up 2 hdd of 7gb into one with brtfs or ext4 in gparted,and only with root and home in one,no separation between home and root,i want a extensive root between the two |
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| 18:16.53 | npower10 | someone maybe to help |
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| 18:18.47 | jhutchins | npower10: Probably easiest to do with LVM and ext3/4. |
| 18:19.00 | jhutchins | npower10: 14G is pretty tight. |
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| 18:19.13 | npower10 | ok but how to set it up,with gparted |
| 18:19.28 | jhutchins | npower10: one partition per drive. |
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| 18:20.16 | npower10 | ok,format in ext 4 the two now,what next |
| 18:21.20 | tw | You really need 2 physical disks as 1 virtual disk and they are 7GB disks? What's the use case here? |
| 18:21.33 | npower10 | i just need it |
| 18:21.48 | npower10 | i'm in a little hurry here,please tell me |
| 18:22.02 | tw | k, you should read the lvm2 docs on vgcreate and lvcreate. |
| 18:22.29 | tw | then create your ext4 or btrfs on top of the final LV. |
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| 18:33.16 | donofrio | is broadcast the gateway from ifconfig? |
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| 18:34.32 | Joel | is there a way using dpkg to get details such as version, without first installing a deb? |
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| 18:34.52 | tw | You can't get the gateway from ifconfig unless it's point-to-point. Gateway comes from ip ro show or netstat -r |
| 18:35.18 | tw | broadcast is very much not the gateway address. |
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| 18:35.34 | donofrio | tw, tnx |
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| 18:36.35 | Brigo | Joel, yes, man dpkg |
| 18:36.58 | Joel | Brigo, I did that, and couldn't find a relevant option, thanks though. |
| 18:38.49 | Brigo | Joel, try dpkg-deb -W or -I. |
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| 18:39.24 | jasonwc | I upgraded from Wheezy to Jessie yesterday and ever since, I've been receiving emails informing me that my RAID changed status. However, a review of /proc/mdadm and mdadm --detail /dev/md0 shows no issues |
| 18:39.44 | jasonwc | "This is a RAID status update from mpt-statusd. The mpt-status |
| 18:39.44 | jasonwc | program reports that one of the RAIDs changed state" |
| 18:40.38 | jelly | jasonwc: mpt-statusd looks at LSI hw raid controllers and their state, not md raid. |
| 18:40.45 | jelly | or is it mpt-status |
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| 18:43.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | Joel, -I -c ? |
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| 18:43.48 | bin_bash | when is php7.0 going to stable? |
| 18:44.05 | bin_bash | also is dotdeb a legitimate and reliable repository? |
| 18:44.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, dotdeb |
| 18:44.15 | dpkg | http://dotdeb.org/ is an unofficial package repository with emphasis on the <LAMP> solution stack, unsupported in #debian. To get support, read http://www.dotdeb.org/2012/08/24/how-to-post-useful-bug-reports/ and report any issues to https://github.com/gplessis/dotdeb-php5/issues . Ask me about <dotdeb alternatives>. |
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| 18:44.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, dotdeb alternatives |
| 18:44.31 | dpkg | Software from <dotdeb> historically had a number of packaging or functional issues. If you require newer versions than what <stable> offers, a lot of the packages now have updates in backports.debian.org, ask me about <bdo>. To remove Dotdeb packages: "aptitude purge '~Vdotdeb'". |
| 18:45.51 | bin_bash | well php7.0 is not on backports :( |
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| 18:46.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks to me like the next stable will have php7.0 as php https://packages.debian.org/testing/php/ |
| 18:47.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | ---> php virtual package provided by php7.0 |
| 18:47.16 | Brigo | yes, it is already in Stretch |
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| 18:47.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions php7.0 |
| 18:47.27 | judd | Package: php7.0 on amd64 -- sid: 7.0.14-2; stretch: 7.0.15-1; sid: 7.0.16-2 |
| 18:47.44 | bin_bash | so when is the next stable? |
| 18:47.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | when it's ready |
| 18:47.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | sooner if you help |
| 18:48.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, wwsr |
| 18:48.22 | dpkg | Well... it's starting to get distinctly chilly... Debian 9 "Stretch" will probably release in mid-2017. It will release sooner if you help fix bugs in stretch and sid... take that as a challenge. Ask me about <stretch freeze>, <how-can-i-help> https://udd.debian.org/bugs/ |
| 18:48.31 | npower10 | anyone for my problem |
| 18:48.46 | jasonwc | jelly Yeah, these LSI cards spit out harmless errors in dmesg. I've had these errors since installing them on my Wheezy system in Oct 2014. However, I haven't seen any checksum errors in my ZFS pool despite doing about 100TB in reads monthly. |
| 18:49.15 | jasonwc | jelly In that case, it's probably referring to the mpt2sas2 errors like this: mpt2sas2: log_info(0x30030101): originator(IOP), code(0x03), sub_code(0x0101) |
| 18:49.29 | donofrio | tw, what sets the gateway? (aka what file do I have to vi) |
| 18:50.06 | npower10 | so how to set up 2 hdd of 7gb into one with brtfs or ext4 in gparted,and only with root and home in one,no separation between home and root,i want a extensive root between the two |
| 18:50.16 | npower10 | if someone can help |
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| 18:51.14 | mtn | npower10, did you read the lvm sites/howtos? |
| 18:51.28 | tw | donofrio: depends, it could be /etc/network/interfaces, or it could be in your networkmanager config. |
| 18:51.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | npower10, also⦠did you try if the installer can do it? |
| 18:51.50 | tw | donofrio: If you're using dhcp, it comes from your dhcp server's gateway field. |
| 18:52.11 | donofrio | tw, it's a server so guessing not dhcp |
| 18:52.21 | donofrio | tw, oh ok I'll check |
| 18:52.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway 2x7GB? what is this⦠a computer for ants? |
| 18:52.57 | tw | donofrio: probably not dhcp then. you'll want a static IP configuration in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 18:54.46 | unborn | bin_bash: setup your current server setup in virtualbox for testing purposes and then do Dotdeb PHP7 deploy and play with it there.. it is working for me on my real server however in next release I will possibly leave php7 out from my server as I do not need it and I would not benefit it from having it. |
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| 18:55.25 | unborn | im still very happy with current php version provided by debian repos |
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| 19:01.32 | bin_bash | unborn: ok thanks. for now i just installed php5, i dont need php7 right now |
| 19:02.11 | unborn | oh just googled that php7 possibly would be in next release eh bin_bash so I guess you will have it right there after update :) |
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| 19:06.13 | bin_bash | ok thanks |
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| 19:15.34 | ChmEarl | unborn, d-i preseed/late_command string my script |
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| 19:20.33 | somiaj | unborn: various ways, with that many machines you may want to look into something like puppet |
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| 19:26.53 | Iota | On a scale of 1 to 10, how soon should I buy a new HDD? http://i.imgur.com/UI7CCM4.png |
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| 19:27.55 | Kobaz | take another screenshot in a few minutes, what's the change in raw_read_error_rate |
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| 19:28.24 | unborn | ChmEarl: yes, can you share the manual perhaps something which will get me up fast? |
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| 19:29.31 | unborn | somiaj: yes I was thinking about that, but script should be very simple, after first logon user should be asked if he wants some stuff.. like git cone somewhere.. simple bash |
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| 19:36.20 | Kobaz | Iota: what's it at now |
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| 19:37.17 | tw | Iota: I'd also run an offline smart test to see if it clears out the pending sectors. |
| 19:38.00 | Apostle | hello my consoles tty1, tty2, etc ...resolution mode is way too small, how do I change the video mode for them? |
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| 19:38.28 | zykotick9 | Apostle: using fbset is one method. |
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| 19:39.17 | Apostle | k let me try |
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| 19:39.50 | Apostle | k installing now |
| 19:39.50 | somiaj | fbset is kinda outdated, though may kms drivers have compadability with it. I would just make the font bigger and use the native resolution of the kms driver |
| 19:40.06 | Apostle | kms not working because of my nvideo card I think? |
| 19:40.10 | Apostle | nvidia |
| 19:40.26 | somiaj | nvidia drivers do support kms. Are you booting efi? |
| 19:40.33 | zykotick9 | Apostle: if you have nvidia, i'd just give up on using VTs... ymmv. |
| 19:40.45 | somiaj | Apostle: dpkg-reconfigure console-setup from a tty, select a bigger font is the way I found is easier than changing the resolution |
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| 19:41.52 | somiaj | also if you use efi, efi doens't have the standard vga console like legacy boot will, I think a default kms driver gets loaded for efi systems. |
| 19:41.56 | Apostle | k trying now |
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| 19:42.18 | somiaj | yea, I'm currently having trouble with xorg + nvidia, I can't exit xorg (but I can swtich tty's so it is odd) |
| 19:42.20 | Apostle | any idea how I can get the tty1 to go to my second monitor |
| 19:42.29 | Apostle | I still have not figured that out either |
| 19:42.37 | somiaj | Apostle: using efi or legacy boot? |
| 19:42.44 | Apostle | not efi |
| 19:43.04 | somiaj | hmm, surprised that both monintors don't just show the console, that is what I"m use to in legacy systems. |
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| 19:43.24 | frosite | when i run primusrun playonlinux in debian 8 jessie x64 the terminal gives: https://paste.debian.net/915874/ i have installed support for x32 bit with: sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386 && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install bumblebee-nvidia primus primus-libs:i386 when i installed bumblebee but still it says that the 32bit OpenGL library isnt there. what is rong here? |
| 19:44.05 | somiaj | ,v primus |
| 19:44.06 | judd | Package: primus on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 0~20130904-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 0~20140711-1; jessie-backports: 0~20150328-4~bpo8+1; stretch: 0~20150328-4; sid: 0~20150328-4 |
| 19:44.38 | somiaj | frosite: it doesn't look like you installed the 32bit nvidia driver pieces. |
| 19:45.08 | somiaj | ,v nvidia-driver-libs |
| 19:45.09 | judd | Package: nvidia-driver-libs on amd64 -- jessie-backports/non-free: 375.26-1~bpo8+1; sid/non-free: 375.26-2; stretch/non-free: 375.26-2 |
| 19:45.31 | somiaj | frosite: trying to recall what they are called in jessie, but you need the 32bit gl libaries for the non-free nvidia blob if using it |
| 19:45.36 | Apostle | somiaj, do I need to reboot after the dpkg-reconfigure console-setup |
| 19:45.56 | somiaj | Apostle: did you run it from a tty or from a terminal in X? When I did it, it just changed the fonts. |
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| 19:46.45 | Apostle | oh |
| 19:46.46 | Apostle | k |
| 19:46.50 | Apostle | let me try in tty1 |
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| 19:47.57 | somiaj | yea for some reason taht command doens't work if not run from a tty |
| 19:51.55 | Iota | Kobaz: Still at 17178 |
| 19:52.26 | Iota | tw: I've just enabled the offline stuff. How exactly does that work, when the OS is powered down? |
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| 19:54.40 | frosite | can it be this: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/libgl1-nvidia-glx-i386 ? |
| 19:55.01 | bezaban | what is the package name of the kernel, I thought it was linux-image?Ã
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| 19:56.16 | zykotick9 | bezaban: ahhh "apt-cache search linux-image" |
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| 19:56.25 | Apostle | somiaj, k found some nicer setting for sure, any idea how to get my tty1 to go to my second monitor? |
| 19:56.29 | bezaban | or rather, how do I determine which kernel is the latest one available or installed via apt, not the one running |
| 19:56.35 | tomcres | frosite, yes you need that in order to run 32-bit OpenGL apps/games |
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| 19:56.50 | frosite | strange... i didnt find it in synaptic when search |
| 19:56.51 | somiaj | Apostle: might be a bios setting, or unsure if the nvidia blob takes over at that stage. |
| 19:57.05 | somiaj | Apostle: I'm use to just all monintors at the kernel level being shown. |
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| 20:01.02 | frosite | primusrun playonlinux now works, thanks for the help |
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| 20:03.32 | tw | Iota: if you started an offline test, it starts running pretty much after you issue the command. It uses more IO than the online test and takes longer to run. you can check the status with smartctl. |
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| 20:04.22 | Kobaz | Iota: well that's promising that the read error rate hasn't gone up recently... keep an eye on the rate of change |
| 20:04.45 | Kobaz | Iota: i would recommend a non-destrictive badblocks test (be careful with the options, make sure you have the right ones) |
| 20:04.55 | Kobaz | Iota: and if you care about your data, well. you should have backups already |
| 20:05.11 | Kobaz | *destructive |
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| 20:06.33 | Iota | Thank you for the advice! :) |
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| 20:10.23 | marioxcc | Hello. |
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| 20:10.45 | NapoleonWils0n | hi all |
| 20:11.12 | NapoleonWils0n | im trying to install dante-server but it wont install properly |
| 20:11.12 | PPaFin_ | OXXL4-CTO-Laptop |
| 20:11.24 | NapoleonWils0n | had same issue on stable and unstable |
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| 20:15.21 | marioxcc | Hello. |
| 20:16.12 | marioxcc | How can I configure a computer with Debian 8 to use a VPN with a desktop program?. In Debian 7, this could be done with network manager. |
| 20:16.33 | NapoleonWils0n | hi mate you can still do that you just need to install another package |
| 20:16.50 | NapoleonWils0n | i think its called something like networkmanager-openvpn |
| 20:17.22 | NapoleonWils0n | network-manager-openvpn |
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| 20:17.44 | NapoleonWils0n | sudo apt install network-manager-openvpn |
| 20:17.46 | somiaj | marioxcc: you should still be able to use network-manager, you just may need to isntall the plugins as NapoleonWils0n states |
| 20:17.55 | marioxcc | NapoleonWils0n: I got it. It is network-manager-gnome. |
| 20:17.57 | NapoleonWils0n | not sure if you might need to reboot as well |
| 20:18.08 | marioxcc | Yes, I needed to reboot. I see it is working now. |
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| 20:18.18 | marioxcc | Thanks somiaj. I found the package. |
| 20:18.27 | NapoleonWils0n | privateinternetaccess for vpn what i swear by |
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| 20:19.03 | NapoleonWils0n | i like to create a split openvpn route |
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| 20:19.25 | marioxcc | NapoleonWils0n: I need a VPN for 48 hours only, does privateinternetaccess allows to pay for day of use. |
| 20:19.33 | NapoleonWils0n | usually i used dante server to bind to tun0 interface then i can set programs to use the socks5 proxy and go over the vpn |
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| 20:19.53 | NapoleonWils0n | £25 for a year and you can use it on 5 devices at once |
| 20:20.06 | NapoleonWils0n | you could probably buy for a month |
| 20:20.07 | marioxcc | I do not need it for a year. It would be wasted. |
| 20:20.30 | NapoleonWils0n | https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/ |
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| 20:20.52 | NapoleonWils0n | prices: https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/pages/buy-vpn/ |
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| 20:21.10 | NapoleonWils0n | $6.95 a month or £25 punds a year |
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| 20:23.27 | marioxcc | NapoleonWils0n: Do you know any VPN which will allow one to hire less than one month of service?. |
| 20:23.43 | marioxcc | Preferably one day. I only need 24 or 48 hours of VPN. |
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| 20:24.21 | NapoleonWils0n | i dont im afriad, but to be honest would probably cost you a couple of dollars anyway |
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| 20:24.55 | NapoleonWils0n | could just get PIA for 1 month for $7, not sure youll find anything cheaper |
| 20:25.28 | marioxcc | NapoleonWils0n: Ok. The problem is that I can only pay with Bitcoin and I am running out of them. I can't buy more bitcoins for the moment. |
| 20:25.35 | marioxcc | Although I have fiat money. |
| 20:25.40 | marioxcc | Thanks you very much anyway. :) |
| 20:25.49 | marioxcc | I think I will hire 1 week at Mullvad |
| 20:26.15 | marioxcc | It used that be that one could pay for a single day as well: https://mullvad.net/ |
| 20:26.22 | NapoleonWils0n | looks like you can pay with bitcoin |
| 20:26.25 | NapoleonWils0n | https://helpdesk.privateinternetaccess.com/hc/en-us/articles/219330588-How-can-I-pay-with-Bitcoins- |
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| 20:26.55 | NapoleonWils0n | there is a university in japan that offeres free vpn access |
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| 20:27.15 | NapoleonWils0n | http://www.vpngate.net/en/ |
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| 20:30.06 | marioxcc | NapoleonWils0n: Ok, thanks. I think I will hire Mullvad. |
| 20:30.10 | marioxcc | :) |
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| 20:30.23 | NapoleonWils0n | no problem mate whatever works for you |
| 20:30.58 | marioxcc | Sure, thanks. |
| 20:31.53 | unborn | ChmEarl: thanks.. i was able to deploy :) |
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| 20:32.20 | unborn | - now free time.. later all. |
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| 21:04.35 | domovoy_ | ok, so that disk failed. I'm currently doing a ddrescue of the whole disk on a brand new external drive. Any advice for the following steps? i'd like to recover as much as possible, particularly on one partition (the one where i stored all my personal data). By browsing the web i found stuff like testdisk/photorec,autopsy/sleuthkit,scalpel. Any opinion on any of these? |
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| 21:15.34 | cef | domovoy_: vsn |
| 21:15.59 | cef | domovoy_: can't comment on those tools. What FS is on those partitions? |
| 21:16.10 | domovoy_ | cef: ext4 |
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| 21:16.20 | cef | domovoy_: (sorry, usual k/b died and I'm using a replacement I'm not used to). |
| 21:17.04 | domovoy_ | cef: what is vsn? |
| 21:17.06 | cef | domovoy_: once you get the data off, you could just try mounting the files directly ro and see if they work. |
| 21:17.19 | cef | domovoy_: a typo. keyboard as above. |
| 21:17.30 | domovoy_ | ok |
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| 21:18.35 | cef | domovoy_: just mounting them directly will at least give you an idea on how badly they're damaged. but yeah, definitely read only. |
| 21:19.16 | cef | domovoy_: and if you get specific errors out of ext4, that might help you choose the tool you need. |
| 21:19.42 | domovoy_ | cef: thing is... i stupidly tried to read some data before ddrescue... saw that a lot was lost (luckily my personal data seems to have survived somehow), but i have a lot of software configs i'd like to get back |
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| 21:21.49 | cef | domovoy_: read should be fine.. if you did an fsck tho.. then you might have issues. ie: Might be either in 'lost & found' in parts, or else it's someone in the raw disk and that'll also be in parts. |
| 21:21.50 | domovoy_ | an awfull lot seems to have disapeared from my / partition only, which is at the begining of the disk where most of the read errors are, good thing i had several partitions, i might have luck getting stuff back from those. But /etc was on /... |
| 21:22.25 | domovoy_ | cef: yep, did the fsck... shouldn't have |
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| 21:23.16 | fearnothing | if I wanted to get a newer version of libpcap than what is available through the standard repos, what's the best way to do it? |
| 21:23.40 | nickenchuggets | is it just me, or does it seem like my OS just accumulates crap files lingering around |
| 21:23.44 | SerajewelKS | fearnothing: if the version in testing or unstable is new enough, you can backport it to stable |
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| 21:24.08 | SerajewelKS | nickenchuggets: you're going to have to be a lot more specific than that |
| 21:24.14 | nickenchuggets | it seems, every so often, I have this compulsion to re-install an OS from scratch |
| 21:24.48 | nickenchuggets | I don't have a specific problem |
| 21:24.52 | cef | domovoy_: testdisk seems to be the one I hit the most when searching on this stuff. The grsecurity guys do know what they're doing. |
| 21:24.52 | nickenchuggets | sorry |
| 21:25.04 | SerajewelKS | nickenchuggets: the "crap files" are probably not crap, but you don't know what they are for |
| 21:25.29 | nickenchuggets | it's just a compulsive feeling |
| 21:25.36 | nickenchuggets | that re-installing the OS would feel nice |
| 21:25.47 | nickenchuggets | and that any lingering junk would be lost forever |
| 21:26.06 | SerajewelKS | until the new install recreates the "junk" because it needs it :P |
| 21:26.12 | nickenchuggets | yeah, I suppose |
| 21:26.18 | fearnothing | SerajewelKS - nope, they're all still on 0.8 |
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| 21:26.46 | SerajewelKS | if there are specific files you are curious about, we might be able to tell you why they are there. if it's just a general feeling, you should do what you can to manage that feeling because "general feelings" are not a good way to manage your systems. |
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| 21:27.11 | SerajewelKS | fearnothing: then i guess the answer depends on why you need a never version / what you intend to do with it |
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| 21:27.23 | domovoy_ | cef: yeah that's my feeling too. anyway, after ddrescue is done, i'll make a backup of the image and work on a copy, there i can try any/everything, as much as i want |
| 21:27.32 | fearnothing | SerajewelKS - I'm trying to capture traffic on nflog:2, but having problems |
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| 21:28.02 | cef | domovoy_: yup. Long as you can go back to the original copies, you're gonna get as good as you can. |
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| 21:28.07 | fearnothing | this page: https://wiki.wireshark.org/CaptureSetup/NFLOG says that I need a certain kernel or greater, and gives a hash for a minimum version of libpcap |
| 21:28.23 | SerajewelKS | "having problems" is a bit vague, what kind of problems |
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| 21:28.41 | fearnothing | "(Can't listen on group group index: Operation not permitted)." |
| 21:28.49 | domovoy_ | i'll still need to find a way to try this disk on another controller before i install a new one though |
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| 21:29.43 | cef | domovoy_: What -r level did you use for ddrescue? |
| 21:29.43 | domovoy_ | wouldn't want to screw up a brand new disk because the problem comes from the controller... |
| 21:30.07 | domovoy_ | cef: 0 for now, i'll do another run with -r3 after |
| 21:30.13 | cef | domovoy_: :D |
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| 21:30.33 | cef | domovoy_: Just what I was going to suggest if you hadn't already. ;) |
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| 21:31.27 | cef | domovoy_: what brand/model drive? |
| 21:31.32 | domovoy_ | cef: i did some reading before :) well, actually... after i f*cked things up by running fsck on those partitions |
| 21:31.57 | SerajewelKS | fearnothing: a quick google indicates that either (1) you're not root or (2) something else is already capturing nflog |
| 21:32.08 | domovoy_ | cef: can i check that while ddrescue is running? |
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| 21:32.30 | cef | domovoy_: should be possible. hold a sec |
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| 21:33.54 | fearnothing | SerajewelKS - you're right, I had googled and found the first bit of information, but hadn't seen anything saying about the something else capturing |
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| 21:34.07 | fearnothing | could you tell me what your search terms were please? |
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| 21:34.59 | cef | domovoy_: assuming ddrescue has /sys somewhere and a console you can use, try `cat /sys/block/sd*/device/model` - that'll list each drive in order. |
| 21:35.38 | domovoy_ | cef: HITACHI HTS72323 |
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| 21:37.20 | SerajewelKS | fearnothing: "Can't listen on group group index: Operation not permitted" |
| 21:37.29 | SerajewelKS | fearnothing: led me to https://www.wireshark.org/lists/wireshark-bugs/201501/msg00554.html |
| 21:37.43 | SerajewelKS | "As noted by Peter Wu, this is due to the double connection that wireshark-qt makes to nflog." |
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| 21:38.37 | fearnothing | ahh, I misread that one |
| 21:38.47 | fearnothing | looked in the replies instead of the op |
| 21:38.58 | fearnothing | or post that you linked to rather |
| 21:39.00 | cef | domovoy_: nothing specific that stands out to me on that model. there used to be a tool from hitachi for their drives, but the site it used to be on is down.. probably gone now they're part of IBM. |
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| 21:39.37 | cef | domovoy_: but always a good idea to check the model cos if there are quirks with recovery with certain drives, some of the tools will have it documented. ;) |
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| 21:41.24 | domovoy_ | cef: i usually buy seagate drives for my computers (no particular reason other than that i _never_ had any problem with those, excepted old age, which gives warning signs), but on a laptop it's not like you're given a choice |
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| 21:42.15 | cef | domovoy_: yeah.. tho you can always replace.. but yeah, know what you mean. |
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| 21:43.17 | domovoy_ | cef: well, as it is now, i guess i will replace x) unless it comes from the sata controller, which i hope not... |
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| 21:43.30 | cef | waits for rsync to finish on a 30GB file. *sigh* |
| 21:44.06 | cef | domovoy_: Yeah. Do you have another drive spare that works you could put in there? eg: for testing? |
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| 21:45.35 | cef | domovoy_: given it's a 320GB HDD tho, not too surprising as they're usually quite old, so not as likely to be controller. Still, you never know till you test. |
| 21:45.35 | domovoy_ | cef: no, but i believe i can get my hands on another controller in a friends computer, i'll run some diag on the disk from there, if i still get read errors, than the disk is clearly dead, else... it's my controller |
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| 21:48.04 | domovoy_ | cef: i believe a smartctl test would be enough to check for disk errors, right? |
| 21:48.17 | cef | domovoy_: sounds like a plan. FWIW: beware of some of those USB external bays.. some handle drive read failures pretty poorly, and run really slowly when you get a read error. Won't actually cause problems, but will take like 10x the time to do a read on a bad sector than normal (eg: if you put the suspect drive in an external drive bay). |
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| 21:48.54 | cef | domovoy_: yup. There's several levels of testing.. there's at least one read only test from memory that you can try first. |
| 21:49.44 | domovoy_ | cef: my idea was to either plug it on an internal controller, or by one which plugs on a pci-e. I' don't believe usb is the right tool for this kind of job |
| 21:50.37 | domovoy_ | (could be, but is usually not, because of cheap fabric usb "gadgets") |
| 21:50.38 | cef | domovoy_: in some cases it's even possible to map out the bad blocks on the drive (there's usually some spare for this). . really important for SSD's due to wear leveling and the like, slow on spinning disks but can sometimes get you out of trouble to recover stuff, assuming the drive at least can read the block. |
| 21:51.13 | cef | domovoy_: yup. Partly why I mentioned it. but sometimes, if you have no other tool, you use what you have available. |
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| 21:53.21 | domovoy_ | cef: right, but that data _is_ important, so i'll do it right from now, and anyway i'll get my money back by recovering other peoples drives, since after that i'll know how to do it :) |
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| 21:54.29 | domovoy_ | i did recover some screwed up disks before, but never that screwed |
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| 21:54.46 | domovoy_ | too bad for my data, but good for the experience |
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| 21:58.50 | cef | domovoy_: backups are always useful. of course, you need to check on them occasionally to make sure they're working. Been there before. *sigh* |
| 21:59.20 | cef | domovoy_: and is somewhat related to the current rsync job I'm waiting to finish. |
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| 22:00.23 | domovoy_ | cef: yeah, actually i have a computer which store most of my data on a raid5 array, but the data from my laptop usually never get out of it... lesson learned here |
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| 22:08.05 | domovoy_ | hmmm, ddrescue has done about 2/3 of my disk, and only reports 1MB of error. so, most of my disk is actually good... guess i screwed up good by doing those fsck. Hope i can recover some anyway (file carving i guess) |
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| 22:34.37 | cef | domovoy_: always check lost & found too... you may have your /etc dir in there or something. |
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| 22:35.04 | cef | domovoy_: I'm off to work (damn living in Australia). good luck with the rescue efforts |
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| 22:36.18 | domovoy_ | cef: thanks, good luck with your backup |
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| 22:41.36 | gnat_x | i'm using chromium browser, on jessie. as of friday or so, i can no longer access any google property without getting a ERR_SSL_PROTOCOL_ERROR. |
| 22:42.06 | gnat_x | i've read some ubuntu bugs that suggest that this might be an issue with older versions, or libnss3. |
| 22:42.17 | gnat_x | i can't seem to find a relevant debian issue. |
| 22:42.52 | missmbob | gnat_x: you're the third person i've seen here in the last two days. all worked installing google-chrome |
| 22:42.52 | blotek | gnat_x: is your time correct? |
| 22:44.01 | dvs | sends out the memo |
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| 22:45.52 | SerajewelKS | gnat_x: i am also using chromium on jessie and i don't have this problem |
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| 22:48.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | only the 2nd person I've seen⦠but you weren't there for the one I saw |
| 22:48.06 | gnat_x | blotek: yes. seems to be. |
| 22:48.12 | dgm78 | Hi! My Debian/Armbian not connecting wireless on startup... after boot need "killall -q wpa_supplicant && /etc/init.d/networking restart", but these commands not work in rc.local... why? |
| 22:48.22 | blotek | gnat_x: ? |
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| 22:48.52 | gnat_x | blotek: my time seems to be correct. |
| 22:49.38 | gnat_x | hrm. weird, this vm didn't seem to have ntp on... so maybe not. |
| 22:49.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh wait, let me try again |
| 22:49.51 | blotek | gnat_x: then no clue - but let me ask stupid question - did you try to reinstall it ? |
| 22:50.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | blotek, do you use google profiles? |
| 22:50.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | err, sorry gnat_x |
| 22:50.22 | blotek | CutMeOwnThroat: ;) |
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| 22:50.53 | gnat_x | blotek: yes i reinstalled chromium. |
| 22:51.00 | SerajewelKS | gnat_x: doesn't your hypervisor support host->guest time sync? |
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| 22:51.05 | gnat_x | also blew away the .conf file |
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| 22:51.21 | blotek | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:51.23 | gnat_x | CutMeOwnThroat: nope. |
| 22:51.24 | blotek | or some details? |
| 22:51.32 | SerajewelKS | ERR_SSL_PROTOCOL_ERROR usually indicates something more serious though; time being incorrect would just flag the cert as invalid and you'd be prompted to accept it |
| 22:51.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, ok⦠the last guy did and I don'T |
| 22:52.43 | blotek | gnat_x: you're not behind double nat in your VM by any chance btw ? |
| 22:53.06 | gnat_x | blotek: not currently, no. |
| 22:53.44 | blotek | gnat_x: then I guess it's the best idea if it provides any more details you have to let us know |
| 22:53.51 | gnat_x | also, this setup worked fine until friday, and has been working for years. |
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| 22:54.35 | blotek | gnat_x: anyone else on your network ? |
| 22:54.44 | blotek | (locally) ? |
| 22:54.54 | SerajewelKS | gnat_x: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=855434 <-- might want to subscribe to this bug report. it seems to be exactly what you are describing. |
| 22:54.55 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/855434 in chromium (open): «chromium: Invalid SSL connection failure»; severity: important; opened: 2017-02-18; last modified: 2017-02-20. |
| 22:55.58 | blotek | might be man in the middle if you have strangers on your network anyhow;) |
| 22:56.15 | blotek | saw it before - simmilar issues with any browser;) |
| 22:56.25 | gnat_x | okay. time is correct. running a jessie guest on a jessie host. qemu-kvm launched via a script is the hypervisor. there are others on the network, including two other vms on my machine running iceweasel, and other folks running whatever they're running. this was happening at work, and is happening at home. |
| 22:56.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's funny ⦠I have no idea how to debug this |
| 22:57.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | trying to think of one⦠|
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| 22:57.09 | SerajewelKS | that's particularly odd given that i'm also running jessie and chromium, and i don't experience this |
| 22:57.14 | blotek | I would run wireshark to find mitm ;) |
| 22:57.22 | blotek | just to exclude someone playing with you ;) |
| 22:57.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | there is a chromium-dbg with symbols⦠but I don't see the exact benefit |
| 22:57.37 | AvatarA | 99% it's not mitm, it's just chromium and some weird bug |
| 22:57.50 | AvatarA | doesn't happen in firefox |
| 22:57.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | wireshark won't help you to look inside the connection |
| 22:58.07 | AvatarA | I remember I have experienced this bug a few days ago when using a VPN |
| 22:58.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | you'd funnily need to be mitm yourself to debug it⦠which the whole thing is built to prevent |
| 22:58.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | which seems a bit ironic |
| 22:58.33 | AvatarA | without VPN, working, with other VPN, working, with the problem VPN but firefox, also working, just chromium misbehaving |
| 22:58.35 | SerajewelKS | at that layer, yes. you can debug it from within chromium without mitm. |
| 22:58.47 | SerajewelKS | if you don't mind building chromium from source and trying some stuff out |
| 22:58.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could, if chromium would let you |
| 22:58.49 | gnat_x | mitm myself would be easy, it is a vm, i control the network path. |
| 22:58.55 | gnat_x | "easy" |
| 22:59.21 | gnat_x | but, if it upstream of me, it should be affecting my other vms. |
| 22:59.24 | AvatarA | Ubuntu guys saying last chromium update fixed it for them |
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| 22:59.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, maybe you can put something in the middle⦠you don't really need to connect to the same server |
| 23:00.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | just simulating the responses you get in regard of offered protocols would be enough |
| 23:00.49 | blotek | AvatarA: gnat_x then try something ugly and install chrome from ubuntu repo ;) |
| 23:00.51 | SerajewelKS | i'd say that unless you know what you are doing, you should leave the debugging to the developers, who probably already know about it, are fixing it, or have fixed it |
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| 23:01.01 | SerajewelKS | debugging SSL/TLS is not simple |
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| 23:01.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | whatever in life that's worthwhile is simple⦠|
| 23:01.30 | gnat_x | #855434 seems to match my issue. |
| 23:02.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes⦠but nobody smart started debugging it |
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| 23:03.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | The connection to this site is encrypted and authenticated using a strong protocol (TLS 1.2), a strong key exchange (ECDHE_ECDSA with X25519), and a strong cipher (AES_128_GCM). |
| 23:04.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's what I get for mail.google.com when I click on the lock for https and Details |
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| 23:05.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | ooh⦠if you can reproduce with your own server, wireshark can decrypt the ssl using the private key and you can even see inside |
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| 23:09.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | gnat_x, for a chromium with no user config, you can run chromium --data-dir=$(mktemp -d) |
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| 23:09.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | the last person with the problem removed some config, but ⦠not sure that was complete |
| 23:10.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | using a fresh user would be even better |
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| 23:10.40 | gnat_x | CutMeOwnThroat: doesn't rming the whole chromium dir in ~/.conf accomplish that? |
| 23:10.49 | gnat_x | or fresh system user? |
| 23:11.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, I meant fresh user on the system would mean there isn't *any* user config that could possibly interfere |
| 23:11.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | maybe there's some ssl config that the lib reads (long shot) |
| 23:12.07 | pfred1 | my Chrome broke a while back on me |
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| 23:49.59 | Emil | How can I make linux (a raspbbery pi with raspbian) automatically connect to known wlan's and if none are available, try open wlans |
| 23:51.01 | bazhang | ask in #raspbian |
| 23:51.17 | bazhang | #debian wont support that |
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| 23:52.49 | Emil | bazhang: what if I have a normal linux computer? |
| 23:52.58 | Emil | What's the standard way to do it there? |
| 23:53.07 | bazhang | Emil, what version of debian |
| 23:53.14 | Emil | bazhang: 8.7 |
| 23:53.38 | missmbob | Emil: we dont play those games. dont pretend. waste of time |
| 23:53.58 | Emil | missmbob: so I can't have a laptop and a sbc? |
| 23:54.00 | missmbob | Emil: if we wanted to play we wouldnt tell you to ask raspbian |
| 23:54.10 | tomcres | !based on debian |
| 23:54.11 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 23:54.22 | Exagone313 | what is that "wlans"? |
| 23:54.36 | Emil | Exagone313: you might know them by the marketing term WiFi |
| 23:54.51 | Exagone313 | just reading his question |
| 23:55.43 | Exagone313 | oh it said to switch it on |
| 23:55.45 | Exagone313 | he |
| 23:55.59 | Exagone313 | Emil: look at nm cli |
| 23:56.19 | Emil | Exagone313: thanks, I'll see what I can find |
| 23:56.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | /etc/network/interfaces configs still work⦠and I used to have one that just chose any open wifi |
| 23:57.05 | Emil | Exagone313: in what package is it? |
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| 23:57.15 | Emil | CutMeOwnThroat: what's the way to specify "try open" |
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| 23:57.25 | Exagone313 | switch on |
| 23:57.33 | Emil | Exagone313: ? |
| 23:57.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems to be easier to use network manager with some gui thing to approve open wireless networks |
| 23:57.42 | Emil | CutMeOwnThroat: nah, cli all the way |
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| 23:58.02 | abrotman | there is nm-cli ? |
| 23:58.20 | missmbob | nmcli |
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| 23:58.30 | missmbob | and of course nmtui |
| 23:59.13 | Emil | missmbob: nmcli doesn't match anything with show or search |
| 23:59.25 | Emil | apt-cache |
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