| 00:00.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | look in "man interfaces" ⦠|
| 00:00.31 | Exagone313 | Emil: it's included in networkmanager |
| 00:00.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | that was my config ages ago |
| 00:01.00 | Exagone313 | try to use a search engine before asking, it's faster |
| 00:01.05 | Emil | Exagone313: I did |
| 00:01.19 | Emil | Exagone313: nmcli, nmtui, install nmcli, and so forth |
| 00:01.29 | Exagone313 | "debian nmcli" |
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| 00:01.30 | Emil | my google-fu must be shitty |
| 00:01.51 | Emil | Exagone313: hmmm, good fu |
| 00:02.14 | bazhang | ,v nmcli |
| 00:02.15 | judd | No package named 'nmcli' was found in amd64. |
| 00:02.27 | Exagone313 | https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=nmcli&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any |
| 00:02.31 | Emil | yeah, and it isn't mentioned in apt-cache show or apt-cache search, either |
| 00:02.43 | missmbob | could've told you that. cant even find the proper channel or respect our choice to only support debian in #debian |
| 00:02.44 | Emil | Exagone313: yeah your keyword was spot on |
| 00:02.55 | Emil | missmbob: eh? |
| 00:03.14 | Exagone313 | you seem to flood, Emil |
| 00:03.26 | Exagone313 | like me, and that's bad |
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| 00:03.39 | bazhang | Emil, they told you to take it to the #raspbian channel and respect this channel's rules |
| 00:03.44 | Emil | Flood is when irssi ratelimits |
| 00:03.50 | missmbob | bazhang: it's in network-manager |
| 00:03.57 | Emil | bazhang: I also have a debian laptop where I'd like to do it |
| 00:04.05 | bazhang | missmbob, indeed I knew that |
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| 00:06.05 | awal1 | Emil, nmcli is a networkmanager utility |
| 00:06.26 | awal1 | if you dont have networkmanager pkg, you can't have nmcli |
| 00:06.31 | Emil | awal1: yeah figured from the package it comes from |
| 00:06.44 | Emil | awal1: Trying to read the interfaces manpage to see how to do it without nmcli |
| 00:06.48 | missmbob | network-manager not networkmanager |
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| 00:07.50 | awal1 | also wicd, wicd-burses |
| 00:08.00 | awal1 | curses |
| 00:08.05 | missmbob | https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Command_Line |
| 00:08.23 | awal1 | not compliated to edit interfaces file, follow ^ |
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| 00:11.36 | domovoy_ | ddrescue in the "scraping failed blocks" stage, neither ipos, opos, errsize or error have changed since about 5mn, is that normal? should i wait? |
| 00:15.33 | Emil | None of the files mentioned (man interfaces, man wireless nor /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian) specify automatic join of any open connection |
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| 00:20.07 | Emil | Help would be greatly appreciated |
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| 00:32.56 | domovoy_ | Emil: man interfaces, take a look at the sections about (pre-||post-)(up|down) commands, then use those to run a script that will (de)?configure the interface the way you want it |
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| 00:34.27 | Emil | domovoy_: so you are saying that there is no "take any open" but I need to script that myself? |
| 00:34.46 | Exagone313 | yes |
| 00:34.51 | domovoy_ | Emil: yes |
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| 00:37.10 | domovoy_ | Emil: not that hard, just write a script that does the same think you would do yourself: scan networks, filter-out the ones that are not open, then try each one that is left until: connection successful, getting a known page from the web returns the known page (not a hotspot connection page) |
| 00:37.24 | domovoy_ | s/think/thing/ |
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| 00:38.36 | domovoy_ | and if you happen to have some hotspot credentials, you might as well script a way to authenticate with those if they are in the list |
| 00:38.42 | phogg | missmbob: what a delightfully useful page! I wish I'd had that 9 years ago when I was trying to set up wpa_supplicant for the first time. |
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| 00:39.11 | missmbob | phogg: yeah it's pretty great. problem is no one ever reads it :P |
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| 00:40.41 | Emil | domovoy_: me thinks that should already be available |
| 00:41.12 | domovoy_ | Emil: it is, kind of, in nm gui |
| 00:42.00 | domovoy_ | Emil: me thinks that as soon as you put your hands in the command line, you should be ready to get them dirty |
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| 00:45.21 | Emil | domovoy_: by that logic we should all be making our own tools in asm |
| 00:45.35 | Emil | can't have no thing ready, must always reinvent the wheel |
| 00:46.08 | phogg | missmbob: instead we have to repeatedly figure it out the hard way. At least in my case I blogged about the results in some futile attempt to share the knowledge. Didn't even think of the wiki. |
| 00:46.16 | domovoy_ | ok, ddrescue hasn't moved since about an hour now, and i get a lot of read errors in dmesg, always on the same sector (failed command: READ FPDMA QUEUED). Am i right to assume that is the kernel accessing the device and looping on the failure? is it safe to stop ddrescue, and run it again with -d? |
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| 00:47.50 | domovoy_ | Emil: well, if you want something nice and easy that "works _most_ of the time, in _most_ of _known_ conditions", you _do_ have high level fancy tools, like nm gui |
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| 00:49.46 | domovoy_ | "low level" tools are here to provide a reliable way to do things that _will_ work, as long as you learn to use them, the cost of that, is they won't do anything fancy, but they'll always do it right |
| 00:50.37 | domovoy_ | Emil: i'm sure your google-fu can find some already made scripts |
| 00:50.56 | domovoy_ | i know my duck does |
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| 01:02.37 | maher | I'm having problems rebulding the rsync package with the reflink patch - anyone want to give me some remedial help on using dpkg-buildpackage? |
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| 01:05.10 | newcoder | ,v php |
| 01:05.11 | judd | Package: php on amd64 -- sid: 1:7.0+49; stretch: 1:7.0+49 |
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| 01:06.24 | newcoder | ,v php jessie |
| 01:06.25 | judd | No package named 'php' was found in jessie/amd64. |
| 01:06.42 | newcoder | ,jessie |
| 01:06.48 | newcoder | ,v jessie |
| 01:06.49 | judd | No package named 'jessie' was found in amd64. |
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| 01:06.53 | missmbob | ,v php5 |
| 01:06.54 | judd | Package: php5 on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.4.45-0+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 5.4.45-0+deb7u6; jessie: 5.6.29+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.6.29+dfsg-0+deb8u1 |
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| 01:08.11 | thirty3 | Anyone know of a good channel for php help? have a white screen issue and php isn't giving me any errors,, |
| 01:08.31 | missmbob | thirty3: ##php |
| 01:09.01 | thirty3 | thx! |
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| 01:09.08 | domovoy_ | thirty3: apache logs, php config about error reporting |
| 01:13.41 | thirty3 | thx! |
| 01:13.56 | phogg | thirty3: set error_reporting = E_ALL and log_errors = on, then check your log file. |
| 01:14.32 | phogg | thirty3: note that a certain classes of syntax errors are always silent )-: |
| 01:15.05 | OwenBarfield | Could you tell me if this ISO is a 32-bit live CD image: debian-live-8.6.0-i386-standard and is it a "jessie" version? |
| 01:15.29 | tomcres | OwenBarfield, yes it is |
| 01:15.39 | OwenBarfield | thanks you tomcres |
| 01:15.53 | missmbob | OwenBarfield: dont use it to install |
| 01:16.17 | OwenBarfield | ok, so what is that CD image mainly used for? |
| 01:16.32 | tomcres | yeah, the live images are cool if you want to try stuff out, but use an install CD for installation. The installation on the live CDs is broken. |
| 01:16.55 | missmbob | OwenBarfield: just to have a desktop to try stuff. use the iso without live in it to install |
| 01:17.05 | OwenBarfield | It's only used as slackware? |
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| 01:18.33 | OwenBarfield | What about the cinnamon-desktop version? Is that also not supposed to be used for installation either? |
| 01:18.56 | missmbob | OwenBarfield: nothing with the word live in it is meant for installation |
| 01:19.05 | awal1 | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ |
| 01:19.51 | missmbob | OwenBarfield: these are good if you want i386 http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 01:20.30 | OwenBarfield | Oh wow, I should have come here first, before I burned those debian CDs |
| 01:21.10 | missmbob | OwenBarfield: i dont know where people read to get live. install guide doesn't point people there |
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| 01:23.13 | OwenBarfield | that's surprising: why are there 7 CDs for the same version of Debian? |
| 01:24.02 | missmbob | OwenBarfield: there are a lot of packages. only cd1 is needed (or netinst) if you have internet |
| 01:25.11 | OwenBarfield | I had burned some Debian CDs, so I could access files on a hard drive I thought would have malware (it had Windows 98 installed), but so far I haven't found any malware |
| 01:25.45 | OwenBarfield | But I ended up using Linux Lite |
| 01:26.00 | domovoy_ | OwenBarfield: you found at least one (windows!) |
| 01:26.43 | OwenBarfield | to access the files. But I wanted to have a bootable live CD, because some of the old computers I"m accessing now only have CD ROMs on them |
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| 01:27.25 | OwenBarfield | and the processors are slow and they have very little RAM, because these computers were built circa 1995 |
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| 01:39.37 | OwenBarfield | I don't understand why there are two files, when I only tried to download one ISO file for debian-8.7.1-i386-CD-1 |
| 01:40.08 | OwenBarfield | there's an iso.part file and there's another empty file |
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| 01:40.54 | missmbob | .part is how firefox saves partials as they download and i guess the empty will be what it renames it to when finished |
| 01:41.02 | missmbob | you can use wget and make it easier |
| 01:43.02 | OwenBarfield | Can you give me a link for wget? |
| 01:43.41 | missmbob | it's installed by default in debian. just open a terminal and wget url_to_iso.iso |
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| 01:50.10 | OwenBarfield | This computer is running Windows 7, so I don't think that would work here |
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| 01:52.09 | missmbob | open up the browser's download manager to see how it's progressing |
| 01:53.00 | OwenBarfield | oh yeah, it's done now |
| 01:53.32 | OwenBarfield | Now it's one big fat ISO file, thank God |
| 01:54.10 | missmbob | OwenBarfield: putting it an a usb stick? |
| 01:54.22 | missmbob | on* |
| 01:54.36 | OwenBarfield | No |
| 01:54.44 | OwenBarfield | I'm going to burn it onto a CD |
| 01:57.06 | missmbob | OwenBarfield: keep in mind debian doesnt support secure boot. make sure it's off in your bios/firmware |
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| 02:01.51 | OwenBarfield | Is Slacko 6.3.0 Puppy Linux a 32-bit live CD ? |
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| 02:02.28 | ChmEarl | 64 bit puppy is usually FatDog |
| 02:04.24 | ChmEarl | FatDog is now at 7.10 |
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| 02:08.51 | ChmEarl | OwenBarfield, its called Slacko64 |
| 02:09.19 | OwenBarfield | Ok, so Slacko 6.3 is 32-bit ? |
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| 02:11.41 | n4dir | http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/puppy-slacko-6.3.0/32/ |
| 02:13.26 | OwenBarfield | thanks n4dir |
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| 02:15.57 | n4dir | let's hope it will work, is the right one :-) |
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| 02:45.38 | OwenBarfield | I'm burning it now |
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| 02:46.03 | OwenBarfield | No, sorry, debian-8.7.1 |
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| 02:46.10 | newcoder | Are ubuntu and debian package names same? |
| 02:46.32 | n-iCe | newcoder: kinda |
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| 03:19.04 | flaf | Hi @all. I build a package with "debbuild". I would like to put .deb .changes and .build files in a subdir build/ but put nothing in the parent dir of my working directory. Is is possible |
| 03:19.05 | flaf | . |
| 03:19.07 | flaf | ? |
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| 03:39.59 | rfleming | Greetings! |
| 03:40.57 | rfleming | Anyone else having issues with Google Chrome and GNOME? Everytime GNOME locks the screen, I cannot start Chrome after I unlock. Before the lockscreen, everything is fine. |
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| 03:41.55 | rfleming | I can see Chrome running as processes, but I cannot get the browser to show |
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| 03:47.50 | somiaj | rfleming: does chromium work any better? |
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| 03:49.00 | veek | does the default apt in debian secure-apt? does it check the releases file signature |
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| 03:49.37 | veek | 'Secure apt always downloads Release.gpg files when it's downloading Release files' |
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| 03:51.21 | newcoder | rxvt - VT102 terminal emulator for the X Window System |
| 03:51.27 | newcoder | What is VT102? |
| 03:51.38 | hantu | greensql |
| 03:52.00 | newcoder | What is greensql? |
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| 03:52.45 | hantu | What is chromium |
| 03:52.56 | hantu | What is chromium? |
| 03:53.02 | hantu | rxvt |
| 03:53.25 | newcoder | hantu: What? |
| 03:53.59 | somiaj | hantu: chromium is the opensource browser that google-chrome is built on. google-chrom is non-free and not provided by debian, but they are similar browers, so just seeing if you can reproduce the issue with chromium from debian's repos. |
| 03:55.07 | rfleming | somiaj, same thing happens |
| 03:55.50 | somiaj | rfleming: do you have another DE/WM on the system you can test, as in this only an issue with gnome? |
| 03:56.06 | rfleming | I don't know if it's the extensions I have on my account or not |
| 03:56.12 | rfleming | somiaj, the only DE is GNOME |
| 03:57.28 | rfleming | I see the processes running... I just can't access the browser window. |
| 03:57.43 | somiaj | well I'd try a fresh account without any extensions. |
| 03:57.48 | rfleming | yeah |
| 03:57.49 | rfleming | maybe |
| 03:57.55 | rfleming | problems for another day |
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| 03:58.48 | marbl | hello, good morning all. |
| 03:59.32 | marbl | Will it be possible by someone here to help about local configuration file chnages handling in debian? |
| 03:59.40 | hantu | hello,morning |
| 03:59.52 | marbl | ..in automatic upgrade of system |
| 04:00.43 | marbl | We have local configuration files changes in the system and during the upgrade we get the conflict diaglog popping up. |
| 04:00.56 | marbl | what is the best way to handle this? |
| 04:01.36 | marbl | I've used the 'diversion' technique but it also poses challenges if upstream package has changed |
| 04:01.37 | veek | how does apt verify Releases.gpg? shouldn't the public key for the repo be added manually |
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| 04:02.07 | somiaj | veek: it is, it just confgured during the install |
| 04:02.29 | marbl | there are three scenarios..for the problem definition. |
| 04:02.36 | veek | somiaj, but what if i manually edit sources |
| 04:03.04 | somiaj | veek: that should be fine, it should contain the keyring needed for all debian mirrors. If you add third party sources, you may need to manually add their keys |
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| 04:03.16 | veek | ah hmm |
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| 05:55.10 | georgia | hey guys! anyone know how to restore debian grub splash after it gets replaced by bunsenlabs? |
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| 07:19.04 | SmellyPirate | I FOUND IT |
| 07:19.06 | SmellyPirate | ALL OF IT |
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| 07:19.12 | SmellyPirate | THE TREASURE CHEST OF THE INTERWEBZ |
| 07:19.33 | SmellyPirate | ALL THE CRACKED KEYGEN TORRENT WAREZ ARE THERE |
| 07:19.51 | SmellyPirate | AT www.gnaa.eu WHERE THE 1337 H4X0R5 GET THEIR WAREZ |
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| 07:21.05 | heston | !ops |
| 07:21.06 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel. |
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| 07:22.20 | SmellyPirate | !ops niggers |
| 07:22.21 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: smellypirate complains about: niggers |
| 07:22.31 | SmellyPirate | !ops jews |
| 07:22.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: smellypirate complains about: jews |
| 07:22.36 | SmellyPirate | !ops spics |
| 07:22.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: smellypirate complains about: spics |
| 07:22.42 | SmellyPirate | !ops your mom |
| 07:22.42 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: smellypirate complains about: your mom |
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| 08:39.46 | aZz7eCh | okay. so. Debian Jessie. Nautilus (Files). I "Connect to Server", put in 'sftp://user@machine' as the server to connect to, immediately comes up with a dialog that it cant confirm the server details. That this will only come up the first time you connect to the machine. It comes up every time. :/ Suggestions? |
| 08:41.51 | aZz7eCh | "log in anyway" being the button i'm forced to click each time |
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| 08:51.30 | Tired | aZz7eCh, try doing an sftp to the machine from the command line⦠if you get errors, put those into a pastebin |
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| 08:52.27 | Tired | i.e. paste.debian.net |
| 08:53.32 | Tired | (and I don't get any such message from nautilus on jessie, so I guess it's your server) |
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| 09:16.13 | aZz7eCh | Tired, i realise what it is is the same thing I experience at command line. ie, if i ssh to the machine, i get that prompt saying fingerprint isn't stored, type "yes" to connect. through gui obviously its just sayign it differently. i am trying to work out now, how to add the machine to .... my something so it remembers it |
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| 09:21.57 | babilen | aZz7eCh: You'll only be prompted the first time you connect and the information is being stored in ~/.ssh/known_hosts (typically) |
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| 09:23.09 | aZz7eCh | thats what it says babilen |
| 09:23.13 | aZz7eCh | not whats happening however :( |
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| 09:23.26 | aZz7eCh | it appears that the problem was my known_hosts file, belonging to root:root for some reason. |
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| 09:24.02 | aZz7eCh | now fixed. |
| 09:24.20 | babilen | Good, you should now see the desired behaviour :) |
| 09:24.45 | aZz7eCh | indeed ty. |
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| 09:27.06 | r3m1 | hello ! |
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| 09:30.00 | r3m1 | I have an USB device that I plug in and sometimes, devices detection runs in a stucked loop |
| 09:30.14 | r3m1 | *infinite* loop |
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| 09:31.13 | r3m1 | the device I'm pluggin in is something to read serial data through a serial to USB conversion chip by FTDI |
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| 09:33.06 | r3m1 | I would like to understand what is really happening when I plug in a USB device. The vendor is telling me that the driver I'm using is probably corrupted... but when I just plug the device in, there is no driver involved, is there ? |
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| 09:33.57 | r3m1 | as driver, I used open source libftdi to be able to read data from the USB port |
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| 09:37.09 | r3m1 | any hints on where to search at least to try to understand what's going on would be appreciated |
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| 09:51.18 | newcoder | https://www.kernel.org/ , longterm: 3.18.48 [EOL] what is EOL? |
| 09:51.57 | lishoujun | end of life |
| 09:52.10 | newcoder | Why does debian still use 3.16? |
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| 09:53.39 | bezaban | newcoder: eol = end of life. 3.16 is the latest in the stable repo due to the release model. Newer kernels available via backports |
| 09:53.40 | bazhang | ,v linux-image-generic |
| 09:53.41 | judd | No package named 'linux-image-generic' was found in amd64. |
| 09:54.11 | bezaban | ,kernel |
| 09:54.12 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.10.0-rc6-686-pae (4.10~rc6-1~exp2); sid: 4.9.0-2-686 (4.9.10-1); stretch: 4.9.0-1-686-pae (4.9.6-3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.9.2-2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.39-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.84-1) |
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| 09:54.40 | bazhang | cheers bezaban |
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| 09:54.51 | bezaban | bazhang: I was struggling with that yesterday :P |
| 09:55.02 | bazhang | :) |
| 09:55.39 | newcoder | longterm: 3.18.48 [EOL] , |
| 09:55.47 | newcoder | 3.16 is lower than 3.18 |
| 09:55.55 | newcoder | Isn't 3.16 EOL too? |
| 09:56.52 | bezaban | nope |
| 09:57.03 | newcoder | Why not? |
| 09:57.28 | bezaban | because it's not, it is also a lts, longterm supported kernel |
| 09:57.47 | newcoder | longterm: 3.18.48 [EOL] , this has 'longterm' at left too. |
| 09:57.57 | bezaban | ok |
| 09:58.34 | bezaban | do you see the same next to 3.16? |
| 09:58.53 | newcoder | https://www.kernel.org/ |
| 09:59.11 | babilen | newcoder: 3.16 and 3.18 are different versions with different maintenance timeframes |
| 09:59.31 | babilen | 3.16 is still being maintained (due to the fact that Debian uses it more or less) |
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| 09:59.43 | fishbulb | who runs stretch |
| 09:59.49 | fishbulb | who here runs stretch |
| 10:00.00 | bezaban | !survey |
| 10:00.00 | dpkg | i guess survey is Don't ask whether 'somebody uses <app>' unless conducting a survey. Ask the question that you want to ask. |
| 10:00.01 | Tired | dpkg, debian-next |
| 10:00.05 | Tired | pfft |
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| 10:00.25 | Tired | anyways, the guys on #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (not here on freenode) do⦠|
| 10:00.39 | bezaban | goes to lunch |
| 10:00.45 | Tired | also⦠you didn't really want 1700 replies to that⦠and neither do we |
| 10:01.06 | fishbulb | so you mean that 1700 people are running stretch and will reply yes? |
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| 10:02.05 | fishbulb | because did you even consider how worthless someone going "OH ME ME, I DON'T RUN STRETCH" would be |
| 10:02.12 | jelly | it means noone will reply anywa |
| 10:03.01 | jelly | stretch being in freeze and closing to release any year now, you can assume some people will try it |
| 10:03.09 | jelly | and ask your real question |
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| 10:04.00 | jelly | if your real question is "does anyone run stretch" the answer is yes |
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| 10:04.37 | Tired | dpkg, anybody using stretch |
| 10:04.37 | dpkg | Tired: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 10:04.38 | fishbulb | what does a full freeze mean |
| 10:04.39 | newcoder | 4.9.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 4.9.2-2~bpo8+1 , 4.9.0 then 4.9.2.2 why? |
| 10:05.08 | Tired | dpkg, anyone using stretch |
| 10:05.08 | dpkg | No, no one uses stretch, not even the people who use it. |
| 10:05.12 | Tired | jelly, so wrong :) |
| 10:05.29 | Tired | dpkg, freeze |
| 10:05.29 | dpkg | The 'freeze' is when large changes to testing version of Debian are stopped for few months. During this period, no new package uploads are made except to fix critical bugs or to provide documentation updates. During the freeze, bugs are squashed to 'stabilize' the release to make the new 'stable'. Stretch started to freeze in Nov 2016 and entered full freeze on 5 Feb 2017. Also ask me about <slushy>, <stretch freeze>. |
| 10:05.48 | newcoder | ,kernel |
| 10:05.49 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.10.0-rc6-686-pae (4.10~rc6-1~exp2); sid: 4.9.0-2-686 (4.9.10-1); stretch: 4.9.0-1-686-pae (4.9.6-3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.9.2-2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.39-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.84-1) |
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| 10:06.10 | newcoder | 4.9.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.9.2-2~bpo8+1); 4.9.0 then 4.9.2 what is 4.9.2 ? |
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| 10:06.30 | jelly | newcoder: 4.9.2 is kernel version that package was built from |
| 10:06.43 | jelly | !kernel abi |
| 10:06.43 | dpkg | Debian kernel packages have an <ABI> to indicate when out-of-tree modules must be rebuilt; upgrading from a package with 3.2.0-3-amd64 to another 3.2.0-3-amd64 doesn't require fglrx/nvidia/etc to be rebuilt, but upgrading from 3.2.0-3-amd64 to 3.2.0-4-amd64 does. Development kernels intended for <experimental> have the ABI <trunk> to indicate the ABI is unmanaged. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernelABIChanges |
| 10:06.59 | newcoder | jelly: Why is it named 4.9.0 then? |
| 10:07.03 | jelly | newcoder: 4.9.0-0.bpo.1-686 denotes ABI in your case |
| 10:07.23 | newcoder | What to do with ABI? What is ABI? |
| 10:07.30 | jelly | basically, it's compatible with 4.9.0, read above |
| 10:07.30 | babilen | dpkg: abi |
| 10:07.30 | dpkg | i guess abi is application binary interface (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_binary_interface). See also <kernel abi>. https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/02/msg00648.html |
| 10:07.31 | newcoder | It should be named 4.9.2 |
| 10:07.35 | jelly | nope |
| 10:08.06 | jelly | it should be versioned 4.9.2, and it is. |
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| 10:08.34 | newcoder | linux-image-4.9.0-0.bpo.1-rt-686-pae , what is rt? |
| 10:08.44 | babilen | real time |
| 10:08.55 | jelly | newcoder: package descriptions are useful, sometimes |
| 10:08.56 | newcoder | What does it do? |
| 10:09.01 | babilen | dpkg: rt |
| 10:09.01 | dpkg | The PREEMPT_RT (linux-rt) realtime patch set allows for nearly all of the Linux kernel to be preempted, which may help achieve better low-latency behavior in some environments. Since August 2011, the Debian Kernel Team produce binary packages including this patch set, for the amd64 (linux-image-rt-amd64 metapackage) and i386 (linux-image-rt-686-pae metapackage) architectures. http://rt.wiki.kernel.org/ |
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| 10:11.08 | Tired | newcoder, maybe read "linux-image-4.9.0-0.bpo.1-rt-686-pae" and the next couple of questions need not be asked? |
| 10:12.11 | Tired | actually⦠I wouldn't know where the version stuff is documented as just explained⦠maybe nmg |
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| 10:13.06 | newcoder | When should I use rt kernel? |
| 10:15.07 | dionysus69 | can anyone explain to me why kernel versioning went from 4.9.* to 4.1 ? |
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| 10:16.18 | Tired | do you mean 4.10? |
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| 10:20.22 | petn-randall | ,kernels |
| 10:20.23 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.10.0-rc6-686-pae (4.10~rc6-1~exp2); sid: 4.9.0-2-686 (4.9.10-1); stretch: 4.9.0-1-686-pae (4.9.6-3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.9.2-2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.39-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.84-1) |
| 10:20.57 | Tired | it was actually still up there ---^ |
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| 10:24.25 | rr4323 | Sir how to write a webcam driver.please provide me some link ,tutorial,and basic code |
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| 10:26.07 | Tired | how's that even debian-related? |
| 10:26.20 | petn-randall | Tired: pfff, only for people with large enough screens. |
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| 10:27.19 | jelly | to write a webcam driver, you must first... invent the universe |
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| 10:29.50 | rr4323 | Sir .is it a sarcasm if not then tell me how to invent universe |
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| 10:31.13 | rr4323 | (rr4323) I just want to capture live packet from my laptop camera..for that i want to write my driver |
| 10:31.52 | petn-randall | rr4323: What jelly is saying that for writing a webcam driver (for Linux?), you need some experience with programming in C, the hardware, should look at several examples in the source tree, and probably expect 3-6 months of work. Not an easy task. |
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| 10:32.40 | petn-randall | rr4323: And you probably need the technical documentation to your hardware, too, otherwise you'll have to reverse engineer that. |
| 10:33.31 | rr4323 | Petn-randall:sir i m good in c and started character driver...And video driver comes under character driver |
| 10:33.46 | petn-randall | rr4323: For Linux? |
| 10:33.54 | rr4323 | Yes ,sir |
| 10:34.01 | TyrfingMjolnir | Does the debian system ever empty /tmp/? |
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| 10:35.10 | petn-randall | rr4323: And it was merged into the mainline kernel? |
| 10:35.23 | TyrfingMjolnir | Only this? The cleaning of /tmp is done by the upstart script /etc/init/mounted-tmp.conf. The script is run by upstart everytime /tmp is mounted. |
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| 10:37.32 | a_ | Hi there, can I get some clues about Release.gpg vs InRelease? Which one is deprecating, starting from which distro/apt version? |
| 10:38.07 | rr4323 | petn-randall:yes sir , want write the driver and insert or load as module along with other module...i know sir there is chance of system crash on error..but i just want to write |
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| 10:46.52 | petn-randall | rr4323: Then download your kernel from kernel.org and get starting! :) |
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| 11:35.44 | veek | how do you get softvol working with alsa |
| 11:35.49 | veek | in firefox |
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| 12:05.35 | zurok | Is it possible to assign an FTP server to eth0? |
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| 12:06.43 | bezaban | I'll go for 'sure', although it's more of an 'it depends' |
| 12:06.44 | jelly | zurok: most network services, including ftpd can be configured to bind to a specific local ip address or specific interface, yes |
| 12:07.11 | zZzz | hi |
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| 12:10.32 | mntmn | i have a problem where the keyboard layout in apps like chrome, emacs is different from that in gnome shell (debian 9.0, gnome 3.22.2 w/ wayland) |
| 12:11.15 | mntmn | switching the layout via gnome ctrl/space or the layout menu only changes the layout in gnome terminal (sorry i meant terminal, not shell in the sentence before). |
| 12:11.21 | zurok | Must admit that I have poor network literacy |
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| 12:13.37 | veek | guys if firefox is using pulse from now on as a mandatory thing.. how do i configure it? it seems to be using libpulse directly |
| 12:13.59 | veek | but debian has no tools installed by default for pulse and I use alsa |
| 12:14.42 | veek | i setup /etc/pulse/default.pa with load-module module-alsa-sink device=hw:0,0 but who's going to read that with no daemon |
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| 12:19.49 | veek | must be statically linked |
| 12:19.51 | Brski | I just created a new partition table and partition for my 8 TB disk. gdisk reports a size of 7.3 TiB (all ok) but df -h shows a size of 2.0T. Why is this??? |
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| 12:22.04 | Brski | P.S. It's a GPT partition table ofc. |
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| 12:22.42 | OtakuSenpai | ,v pkill |
| 12:22.43 | judd | No package named 'pkill' was found in amd64. |
| 12:22.58 | jelly | OtakuSenpai: /msg judd file bin/pkill |
| 12:23.24 | OtakuSenpai | thnx jelly |
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| 12:24.14 | FinalX | Brski: depends on the partition type, I guess, and age of your software? some filesystem types can't do > 2 TB, like FAT |
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| 12:24.33 | jelly | Brski: df only shows sizes of mounted filesystems, not partitions |
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| 12:24.57 | jelly | Brski: so resize your filesystem |
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| 12:26.17 | OtakuSenpai | guys is there a way to get gcc-6 on debian jessie? |
| 12:26.41 | themill | no |
| 12:26.50 | OtakuSenpai | ok |
| 12:26.54 | OtakuSenpai | tht sucks |
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| 12:27.59 | rafalcpp | OtakuSenpai: uhm, you probably can always build it always from sources. That's what I do (maybe not gcc6, but some gcc versions, and clang) |
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| 12:28.18 | OtakuSenpai | ok |
| 12:28.38 | OtakuSenpai | but did be hard too much for me |
| 12:28.51 | Brski | FinalX, jelly stupid me. I had created the partition, but not a file system. lol. sorry for bothering. |
| 12:29.02 | FinalX | hehe :) |
| 12:29.15 | rafalcpp | OtakuSenpai: that's easy. Building clang++ from sources it like 3 commands, download, run make |
| 12:29.34 | OtakuSenpai | what about gcc? |
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| 12:30.01 | rafalcpp | OtakuSenpai: afair it was simmilar. Just google instructions for that, it's a solved problem |
| 12:30.09 | OtakuSenpai | ok ill |
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| 12:31.01 | rafalcpp | OtakuSenpai: you can 1) use root and then make install to have system-wide compiler -or- 2) in install use options to set PREFIX like $HOME/.local/ and then you don't need root, and that compiler is just for this use (add it to $PATH or run it with full path to binary). also ask #gcc if really stuck |
| 12:31.22 | OtakuSenpai | ok thnx ill |
| 12:31.51 | rafalcpp | jelly: I think some users don't realize that part about non-debian way and think there is no way at all unless they change OS or use VM etc.. |
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| 12:54.41 | newcoder | ii nodejs 0.10.29~dfsg-2 i386 evented I/O for V8 javascript , is it very old |
| 12:55.02 | newcoder | Here: https://nodejs.org/en/download/ |
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| 12:55.13 | newcoder | above version 6 |
| 12:55.52 | newcoder | ,v nodejs |
| 12:55.53 | judd | Package: nodejs on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 0.10.29~dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.10.29~dfsg-2; stretch: 4.7.2~dfsg-1; sid: 4.7.2~dfsg-2; experimental: 6.9.2~dfsg-2 |
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| 12:57.39 | tw | You can always repackage it/rebuild it, unless the depgraph is problematic. |
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| 13:00.12 | babilen | There are also third-party repos: https://nodejs.org/en/download/package-manager/#debian-and-ubuntu-based-linux-distributions |
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| 13:02.53 | gr8 | how can I restrict firefox so it can only access the directories Download and .mozilla? |
| 13:03.12 | gr8 | or any other program alike |
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| 13:04.02 | rafalcpp | gr8: using linux+grsecurity , see #grsecurity on irc.oftc.net |
| 13:04.27 | rafalcpp | gr8: probably it's also doable using SE Linux, but that lacks PAX security, and default linux kernel is not too secure |
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| 13:05.33 | gr8 | wow ok |
| 13:05.37 | gr8 | sounds complicated |
| 13:05.37 | rafalcpp | ( or wait till 2050 and use linuxgrsecurity kernel from Debian Troikas or something ;) |
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| 13:06.10 | rafalcpp | gr8: it is. But that is what you can do for more seirous security. From very light (and very weak) protections, see also AppArmor (still it's better then nothing) |
| 13:06.20 | rafalcpp | s/From/For |
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| 13:07.58 | gr8 | rafalcpp: thanks is there any linux distribution that has all these things by default? I'm pretty flexible in these terms, and pretty lazy lol |
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| 13:08.21 | gr8 | optimally with a GUI to use these things and setup |
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| 13:08.41 | BluesKaj | Hey folks |
| 13:08.45 | gr8 | hi Kaj |
| 13:08.50 | rafalcpp | gr8: for the best protection (grsecurity) - not really, afair... except Alpine Linux, but it's a live CD mostly |
| 13:09.08 | BluesKaj | hi gr8 |
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| 13:09.29 | gr8 | grsecurity sounds pretty badass tbh :D |
| 13:09.33 | rafalcpp | gr8: other then that, afair Ubuntu does include by default apparmor for some popular internet-facing programs. Best google on this technology names I given above. The exact part to limit file access is "grsecurity rbac" or "se linux" or "apparmor" |
| 13:09.37 | tomcres | gr8, Fedora has SELinux out-of-the-box and openSUSE has AppArmor out-of-the-box |
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| 13:10.17 | rafalcpp | gr8: grsecurity is by far best, but also requires a bit of learning and tuning. but there are irc and forums. where are pros from linux security are hanging out. |
| 13:10.40 | gr8 | yes thanks. I tried to setup this with SELinux years before but it was way too complicated |
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| 13:10.54 | rafalcpp | gr8: one more very easy thing to do, should be to use Qubes OS, just google video demonstration what it does |
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| 13:11.14 | gr8 | I know Qubes thanks, it's too slow on my old laptop |
| 13:11.23 | gr8 | (probably, my laptop is really slow) |
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| 13:12.04 | gr8 | but yeah generally it's a good idea |
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| 13:12.29 | gr8 | also no x86 dowloads |
| 13:12.34 | rafalcpp | gr8: one more really simple thing, is to just create various users, one for games other for banking other for work ... and ctrl-alt-f3,4,5,6,7 switch them |
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| 13:17.48 | gr8 | alpine linux "compiles all user space binaries as position-independent executables with stack-smashing protection." Whoa :D position-independent, that's amazing |
| 13:17.56 | gr8 | maybe I will take a look |
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| 13:18.41 | gr8 | I don't even know how ASLR is normally done on linux?? (Sorry wrong channel) |
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| 13:20.08 | gr8 | ok not as uncommon as I remembered it |
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| 13:29.40 | zamba | after upgrading to debian jessie i'm no longer able to mount an nfs share |
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| 13:30.44 | FinalX | apt-get install nfs-common |
| 13:30.59 | FinalX | perhaps reinstall it; I had the same thing with some upgrades from wheezy => jessie |
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| 13:39.07 | edi | hi all |
| 13:39.16 | edi | I got a strange problem, since a few days |
| 13:39.25 | sim590 | how can I make my ".xinitrc" file launch automatically without any desktop manager? |
| 13:39.26 | edi | everytime I disconnect from a debian container |
| 13:39.35 | edi | the sshd process go defunct |
| 13:39.49 | edi | until there're hundreds of processes in top |
| 13:39.56 | edi | and then the box crashes it seems |
| 13:40.07 | edi | well, then it runs "out of memory" |
| 13:40.08 | sim590 | I'm trying this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Getty#Automatic_login_to_virtual_console, but I'm not sure I can do this on debian. |
| 13:40.15 | edi | it looks related at least |
| 13:40.38 | FinalX | sim590: different shells ("command line") have different rc-files to be executed when you log in |
| 13:40.46 | FinalX | sim590: bash has .bashrc, zsh has .zshrc, etc. |
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| 13:41.06 | FinalX | or well, the rc is executed when the shell starts, there's a seperate one to execute at logins, etc. |
| 13:41.28 | missmbob | sim590: yes it works |
| 13:41.44 | sim590 | FinalX: I have http://paste.debian.net/916019/ in my .profile |
| 13:42.16 | FinalX | ah |
| 13:42.24 | FinalX | in that sense... hm... then I don't know |
| 13:43.25 | sim590 | missmbob: Okay. I tried with tty1 at first and it didn't seem to work. Now I restarted and was forced to login and startx manually. When I do systemctl status getty@tty1.service, it says: fail. |
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| 13:44.06 | sim590 | I'm trying to shift all the configs to use tty2 instead in case it conflicts with tty1. |
| 13:44.13 | sim590 | for some reason. |
| 13:44.33 | missmbob | sim590: you did change username, right? :P |
| 13:44.54 | sim590 | yes ;) I also did s,/bin/,/sbin/,g |
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| 13:50.41 | sim590 | missmbob: Only the .profile part is working. The auto login doesn't work.. |
| 13:52.06 | feliks | is there a way to install a package without its detected dependencies? |
| 13:52.39 | sim590 | missmbob: is the "-" character in the string "-/usr/bin/agetty ..." a typo in https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Getty#Automatic_login_to_virtual_console ? |
| 13:53.56 | sim590 | seems like it's a typo. It doesn't make sense.. |
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| 14:14.32 | sim590 | it finally worked. I had to replace /usr/bin/agetty by /sbin/agetty. |
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| 14:22.36 | CyberJacob | Anybody have an up-to-date guide for replacing /boot with an MD RAID? |
| 14:22.45 | CyberJacob | I found this one, but it's for etch and grub has changed quite a bit: https://www.howtoforge.com/software-raid1-grub-boot-debian-etch-p2 |
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| 14:32.54 | jeenzy | Hello guys |
| 14:33.21 | jeenzy | Too soon for Debian Stretch? |
| 14:33.34 | bolt | too soon? |
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| 14:34.38 | jorb | ne 1 having issues connection to google w/ chromium 56.0.2924.76-1~deb8u1 ? |
| 14:34.57 | bolt | !ne1 |
| 14:34.58 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s). See <standard english>. |
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| 14:36.27 | sim590 | I always get some weird messages when I shutdown my PC. It's complaining about my encrypted partitions. Services for unmounting always stop with FAIL. |
| 14:36.47 | sim590 | I don't know where to check for log if someone could suggest something |
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| 14:40.36 | sim590 | I think the error messages look like this https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/1620 |
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| 14:49.36 | rafalcpp | jorb: I actually didn't know what "ne 1" is |
| 14:50.10 | jasonwc | If I install the jessie-backports kernel, will it retain the stable kernel (3.16)? apt indicates it wants to "upgrade" linux-iamge-amd64 |
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| 14:50.25 | jasonwc | I wasn't sure if I shoudl specify the kernel directly or through the metapackage |
| 14:50.30 | jasonwc | I assumed meta for updates |
| 14:52.27 | tomcres | jasonwc, the 4.9 kernel from backports replaces the 3.16 kernel |
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| 14:54.44 | jasonwc | tomcres: I thought that when you install a new kernel, it always kept the old one in case the new one broke something - it allowed you to revert back. There is no way to install 4.9 while retaining 3.16? |
| 14:56.06 | Brigo | jasonwc, i think debian does exactly that. |
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| 14:56.30 | jasonwc | I'm going to install the backports kernel in a VM to test |
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| 14:57.41 | jorb | rafalcpp: much more info 4u, thx bolt |
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| 14:57.49 | jasonwc | But I think Brigo is correct given my past experience installing new kernels |
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| 14:58.04 | jasonwc | yeah, vmlinux.old is now a symlink to 3.16 |
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| 15:00.01 | jhutchins_wk | Debian is a bit more willing to replace a minor kernel version on update, but I think it retains major versions. |
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| 15:07.07 | jasonwc | Also, why does the kernel naming not match the source package? The most recent 3.16 kernel appears to be based on 3.16.39 but the naming for the binary package is 3.16.0-4, indicating the 4th release from Debian, I presume. |
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| 15:15.41 | jasonwc | tomcres: I just tested this in a VM. While the package is replaced, the only vmlinux is retained and Grub allows booting from either 3.16 or 4.9 |
| 15:15.58 | jasonwc | tomcres: So, it doesn't actually remove the old kernel. It just changes the default kernel |
| 15:16.31 | missmbob | of course. what if it removed and the new kernel had a bug for your hardware? you'd be fucked |
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| 15:17.08 | FinalX | happened to me on more than one occasion |
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| 15:18.10 | jasonwc | missmbob Which was exactly my point to him, and why I was suspicious of the claim. I've never seen a kernel replace an onlder non-point release kernel upgrade |
| 15:18.15 | jasonwc | *older |
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| 15:19.09 | missmbob | or we have a failure to communicate :P |
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| 15:19.46 | FinalX | what's also fun on some systems is install a backports kernel and not installing backports udev |
| 15:19.53 | FinalX | with some configurations that gives a world of hell |
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| 15:20.14 | FinalX | makes it appear like your entire filesystem is messed up, but if you reboot into your old kernel there's nothing wrong ;P |
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| 15:20.56 | jasonwc | "<tomcres> jasonwc, the 4.9 kernel from backports replaces the 3.16 kernel" <-- I interpreted that to mean that there would be no more 3.16 kernel after upgrading. |
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| 15:21.40 | FinalX | even though that's what he wrote, and I'd read it like that too, I'm not sure that's what happens, I don't remember any kernel removing older kernels |
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| 15:21.57 | FinalX | (for precisely the above point) |
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| 15:22.32 | FinalX | heck, sometimes I wish they did, I have a very old system that has survived many release upgrades and had like 20 old kernels at some point ;) |
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| 15:23.21 | jasonwc | FinalX I just installed the linux-image-amd64 from jessie-backports without issues. You also need to backport vdev? |
| 15:23.28 | jasonwc | It doesn't show as a dependency or a recommend even |
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| 15:24.26 | FinalX | jasonwc: udev, and no, it does not say that, but in some rare cases it's required or you end up with a messed up non-properly-booting system.. |
| 15:24.39 | FinalX | perhaps something to do with certain raid controllers or something, idk |
| 15:25.22 | jasonwc | Sorry, I had vdev in my head from the /dev/disk/by-vdev lablels I use in ZFS :P |
| 15:25.29 | jhutchins_wk | I do prefer the way other distros do it, each new kernel is a seperate package and doesn't remove the old one. |
| 15:25.53 | jhutchins_wk | I don't know that it's ever caused a problem for me, but theoretically... |
| 15:26.03 | jasonwc | if you remove the old package, doesn't that mean you no longer get security updates for it? |
| 15:26.27 | jasonwc | so, if I installed linux-image-amd64 from jessie-backports, presumably i wouldn't get security updates for 3.16 from Jessie |
| 15:27.45 | jhutchins_wk | jasonwc: Interesting question. |
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| 15:29.28 | jasonwc | jhutchins: I upgraded my storage server from Wheezy to Jessie a few days ago. I see 4 vmlinux entries for 3.16 but none for 3.2. I wonder if the upgrade removed it. |
| 15:29.42 | jasonwc | I had been running 3.16 from pretty much the beginning though |
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| 15:30.32 | missmbob | jasonwc: i bet it did. requires a lower version of udev probably |
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| 15:31.22 | jasonwc | Anyone here use an LSI SAS controller like the M1015 or the 9211-8i? |
| 15:31.54 | jasonwc | I want to know if the mptsas2 errors still exist in 4.9. They appear harmless but fill the logs |
| 15:32.08 | jasonwc | mpt2sas2 |
| 15:32.35 | jasonwc | Specifically for this card: Serial Attached SCSI controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic SAS2008 PCI-Express Fusion-MPT SAS-2 [Falcon] (rev 03) |
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| 15:54.28 | Chrismeister | I have a laptop for which I want to lower the resolution to a different aspect ratio. When I do so the laptop automatically stretches the image (the different aspect ratio makes this look strange). Can this be disabled from debian? |
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| 15:55.08 | Chrismeister | I want the laptop to stretch the image only what is allowed by the aspect ratio |
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| 15:59.05 | jelly | Chrismeister: image of what? the whole user interface? |
| 15:59.20 | jelly | desktop background? |
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| 15:59.56 | Chrismeister | The user interface as shown on the screen. I want 1024x768 for a larger screen with different aspect ration. The image stretches and looks flat |
| 15:59.57 | petn-randall | Chrismeister: Many laptops have a setting in the BIOS to stretch the picture to fill the whole screen. You can probably disable that. |
| 16:00.19 | Chrismeister | petn-randall: Okey, thx, I will check it out |
| 16:00.36 | jelly | Chrismeister: but you want the same picture on both internal and external screen? |
| 16:00.59 | Chrismeister | jelly: No, just the internal screen |
| 16:01.12 | Chrismeister | jelly: I have no external screen |
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| 16:01.46 | Chrismeister | I will broadcast the screen and want to shrink it for optimized broadcasting |
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| 16:08.32 | jelly | Chrismeister: so you want to resize to effective 1024x768, keeping aspect ratio, and leaving part of the screen unused. You may want to ask in #xorg channel, perhaps they know if this can be done with xrandr. |
| 16:09.23 | Chrismeister | jelly: No, scaling is fine. What I want to fix is scaling to a different aspect ratio. |
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| 16:11.35 | jelly | I believe that's what I wrote, you want to keep the correct pixel aspect ratio? |
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| 16:16.37 | newcoder | ,v debian |
| 16:16.38 | judd | No package named 'debian' was found in amd64. |
| 16:16.43 | newcoder | ,debian |
| 16:16.53 | newcoder | ,v kernel |
| 16:16.55 | judd | No package named 'kernel' was found in amd64. |
| 16:17.02 | newcoder | ,v linux-image |
| 16:17.03 | judd | No package named 'linux-image' was found in amd64. |
| 16:17.09 | newcoder | ,v linux |
| 16:17.11 | judd | No package named 'linux' was found in amd64. |
| 16:17.29 | newcoder | ,v python |
| 16:17.30 | judd | Package: python on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.7.3-4+deb7u1; jessie: 2.7.9-1; stretch: 2.7.13-2; sid: 2.7.13-2 |
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| 16:17.39 | newcoder | ,v php |
| 16:17.40 | judd | Package: php on amd64 -- sid: 1:7.0+49; stretch: 1:7.0+49 |
| 16:17.55 | newcoder | Can we upgrade from jessie to stretch now? |
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| 16:20.45 | jhutchins_wk | ,kernels |
| 16:20.46 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.10.0-rc6-686-pae (4.10~rc6-1~exp2); sid: 4.9.0-2-686 (4.9.10-1); stretch: 4.9.0-1-686-pae (4.9.6-3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.9.2-2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.39-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.84-1) |
| 16:21.06 | Chrismeister | jelly: Yeah, that's what you wrote. Sorry. |
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| 16:21.17 | jhutchins_wk | newcoder: You are welcome to join the team testing stretch. |
| 16:21.50 | jelly | Go, Team Testing! |
| 16:21.51 | jhutchins_wk | newcoder: Be aware that major breaks often happen during the freeze period, as major issues are worked out properly rather than just getting a bandaid. |
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| 16:23.33 | newcoder | When will we get stretch as stable? |
| 16:23.45 | colo-work | when it's done |
| 16:24.12 | newcoder | When will it be done? |
| 16:24.19 | vikki | Chrismeister: How do you broadcast the screen, by VNC ? |
| 16:24.27 | jhutchins_wk | When release critical bugs are closed. |
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| 16:24.42 | newcoder | When will it be closed? |
| 16:24.51 | rafalcpp | newcoder: no date is promised. Some programs download by themselves newer version of nodejs and use that by thelselve |
| 16:24.58 | jhutchins_wk | newcoder: When the work is finished. |
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| 16:25.27 | jhutchins_wk | newcoder: If we knew what it took to fix the bugs, they'd be fixed. Finding out takes time, and only when you're finished do you know how much time. |
| 16:25.52 | jhutchins_wk | newcoder: Other distros release on schedule even if there are serious bugs. |
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| 16:25.59 | Chrismeister | vikki: Something I've developed myself |
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| 16:30.20 | vikki | Chrismeister: In that case i can't help much. Tools like VNC has separate settings for resolution in broadcast. |
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| 16:54.28 | sim590 | after I have done systemctl set-default multi-user.target, gpg-agent doesn't use the pinentry anymore. How do I fix this? |
| 16:55.03 | sim590 | it only asks password in the terminal. |
| 16:55.46 | sim590 | my ~/.gnupg/gpg-agent.conf has: http://paste.debian.net/916058/ |
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| 17:01.27 | linux-beginner-2 | hi. using debian9 with kde5. name of the default window-decoration is breeze. per default its color is BLACK.. can I change this somehow, e.g. to blue or so? |
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| 17:05.13 | eh3 | What is a 'headless' deb? I thought it meant relocatable, but it doesn't look like it is. |
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| 17:08.35 | mtn | linux-beginner-2, kde has many many configure options. probably best to ask on the kde channel or look for kde howtos on the web |
| 17:09.30 | linux-beginner-2 | ok. option nr. 2 I already tried.. so I will ask in a kde channel. thanks |
| 17:10.05 | awal1 | linux-beginner, just check system settings and window decor section and you have a lot of choice there |
| 17:10.14 | awal1 | or change the theme |
| 17:10.20 | awal1 | very easy |
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| 17:12.07 | linux-beginner-2 | yes I am in there.. at systemsettings - window decor.. |
| 17:12.47 | linux-beginner-2 | I asked special about this cause I have seen on netrunner they use a blue breeze-window-deco. just found it a little more friendly. but did not find this theme |
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| 17:13.29 | awal1 | netrunner? |
| 17:13.43 | awal1 | dpkg: netrunner |
| 17:13.43 | dpkg | Netrunner is an operating system based on <Kubuntu>. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.netrunner-os.com/ |
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| 17:18.27 | unborn | awail1 YOU do jknow that all rubbish produced around you. you could eliminate like for real reply.. |
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| 17:25.49 | Chrismeister | Is it possible to install debian without a desktop environment but still a GUI? I dont need panels and all that. Only a terminal from where I can start my applications. |
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| 17:27.48 | mtn | Chrismeister, do a minimal install and then add whatever wm you want to use |
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| 17:29.40 | Chrismeister | mtn: Isn't there some default window manager on which all other builds on (Xorg or something)? I was wondering if I can run that instead of installing LXDE, XFCE and so on |
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| 17:30.24 | mtn | Chrismeister, like I said, you can install and use any wm you want. such as openbox, etc. |
| 17:30.50 | mtn | Chrismeister, xorg or wayland is required for any gui |
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| 17:32.21 | Chrismeister | mtn: Aha, I guess LXDE XFCE are not window managers. So I guess I need to find a minimal window manager. |
| 17:32.35 | mtn | Chrismeister, yes, you are correct |
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| 17:33.15 | Chrismeister | mtn: Do you have any suggestions about any lightweight and minimal WM? |
| 17:33.17 | Chrismeister | Openbox? |
| 17:34.09 | mtn | Chrismeister, you can easily resarch them. you might want to start with the arch wiki. openbox would be fine, but there are lots of others to choose from |
| 17:34.33 | Chrismeister | mtn: okey, thanks for your time! I will do some research. |
| 17:34.45 | mtn | Chrismeister, welcome |
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| 17:42.28 | armin | armin@acid:~$ apt-cache search libressl |
| 17:42.29 | armin | armin@acid:~$ |
| 17:42.33 | armin | anyone a hint? |
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| 17:43.11 | petn-randall | armin: That is pretty much the output I expect. |
| 17:43.19 | armin | :( |
| 17:43.55 | petn-randall | armin: apt-cache search openssl |
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| 17:44.12 | armin | petn-randall: openssl 1.1 introduced changes that break my software. libressl would work fine. |
| 17:44.25 | petn-randall | ,v openssl |
| 17:44.26 | judd | Package: openssl on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u20; wheezy-security: 1.0.1t-1+deb7u1; jessie: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u5; jessie-proposed-updates: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u6; jessie-security: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u6; jessie-backports: 1.0.2k-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.1.0e-1; sid: 1.1.0e-1 |
| 17:44.39 | babilen | It's not packaged -- https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=754513 |
| 17:44.41 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/754513 in wnpp (open): «RFP: libressl -- SSL library, forked from OpenSSL»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2014-07-11; last modified: 2015-03-20. |
| 17:45.08 | petn-randall | armin: 1.1 isn't in stable, you're safe. |
| 17:45.09 | babilen | armin: You might want to consider adapting your software for 1.1 also |
| 17:45.31 | sonOfRa | armin: I strongly suggest fixing the software. You won't, for example, get TLS 1.3 support in openssl 1.0.x. (unless the debian maintainers decide to backport it, which can happen, but I find that unlikely) |
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| 17:48.55 | tw | What's the major change in 1.1? Forcing the use of accessors? |
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| 17:49.26 | armin | tw: https://www.mail-archive.com/tech@openbsd.org/msg36437.html |
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| 17:55.05 | tw | That's a really crappy situation. I'm surprised that they didn't provide compat shims for the older 1.0 releases from the 1.1 ABI. |
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| 17:56.40 | armin | for debian stable i'd be safe, yes. i'll probably just build libressl myself and link against it because it's the easiest for my testing boxes. another possibility would be to use tinc instead of my favourite vpn daemon there. |
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| 18:07.42 | ivan__ | I've looked on wikipedia the list of Linux package managers actually existing and there are a lot of them, but was it Debian the first to introduce the concept of package managers? |
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| 18:12.49 | l4m8d4 | I have a little problem. So I wanted to install a little rescue system onto a USB stick, and the installation went fine, and I installed the bootloader to the drive at the end. Now rebooting the machine into the newly installed system, it doesn't even load grub but just shows me a blinking cursor on the screen |
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| 18:13.22 | centrx_ | ivan__: I think the only thing before apt was Slackware scripts that helped you in compiling |
| 18:13.41 | l4m8d4 | If I try to use the same usb stick on another system, the same happens, so I suspect the problem is with the drive. I also tried multiple different drives, but always the same. |
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| 18:14.32 | l4m8d4 | Does anyone know what causes this? I remember having had this problem already. My workaround was to use ubuntu, where it worked fine |
| 18:14.40 | centrx_ | ivan__: apt was the only package manager even into the 2000s that handled downloading files and had good dependency handling |
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| 18:15.19 | centrx_ | l4m8d4: I don't know |
| 18:16.05 | somiaj | l4m8d4: how are you creating this usb rescue image? |
| 18:16.26 | l4m8d4 | I am using the normal debian installer |
| 18:16.29 | l4m8d4 | debian testing installer |
| 18:16.57 | somiaj | l4m8d4: and how did you make the usb drive with the installer image? |
| 18:17.26 | l4m8d4 | somiaj: dd if=iso-file | pv | dd of=usb-drive |
| 18:17.48 | l4m8d4 | The installer itself works fine though, so don't think theres a problem with that, right? |
| 18:18.06 | somiaj | pv? Anyways grub is the only thing that fails to install at the end? Do you know if you are booting efi or legacy? |
| 18:18.10 | ivan__ | centrx_: thank you, I wasn't sure if there was something like apt and dpkg before debian existed |
| 18:18.35 | l4m8d4 | somiaj: It's equivalent to dd if.. of.. pv just shows the progress :D |
| 18:18.48 | l4m8d4 | somiaj: The thing is, the install of the bootloader doesn't fail |
| 18:19.02 | l4m8d4 | It's just when I reboot into the drive when it just doesn't load grub |
| 18:19.27 | somiaj | l4m8d4: legacy or efi boot? Does it change if you remove the usb drive before booting up? |
| 18:19.31 | l4m8d4 | I also make sure I select bootloader install location manually to ensure that it's installed to the right drive |
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| 18:20.11 | blotek | l4m8d4: how about "dd if=iso-file of=/dev/whatever status=progress" ? |
| 18:20.12 | l4m8d4 | somiaj: Both system I tried it on are EFI systems. I think one of them is set to legacy boot though |
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| 18:20.45 | l4m8d4 | blotek: What does it matter? It's the same |
| 18:20.49 | somiaj | l4m8d4: on efi you install grub into an efi partition, not an mbr of the drive. Do you have this error with the jessie installer? |
| 18:21.07 | l4m8d4 | somiaj: You mean I try again using stable? |
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| 18:21.25 | somiaj | l4m8d4: yes, seeing if the issue is the stretch installer, you should report a bug. |
| 18:21.39 | rapha | hi! i'm trying to compile wine 1.6 in stretch. how do i install X development files? "apt install xorg-dev:i386" unfortunately does not work :( |
| 18:21.42 | l4m8d4 | okay, then let me try again with stable |
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| 18:24.09 | centrx_ | rapha: "does not work" ? |
| 18:24.15 | centrx_ | rapha: apt-get install xorg-dev |
| 18:25.05 | somiaj | rapha: if you want to comiple the 32bit version of wine, you should do it in a 32bit chroot. Also any reason you need to compile wine and not use the version that comes with stretch? |
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| 18:26.27 | somiaj | l4m8d4: are you using lukes/lvm or anything like that on the install, or is this just a basic install on a hard disk? |
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| 18:33.43 | l4m8d4 | somiaj: It's just a basic install with single partitoon ext4 |
| 18:33.55 | l4m8d4 | somiaj: also only base utilities and ssh selected in tasksel |
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| 18:34.33 | damarusama | how do I start xfce4-session by default in lightdm? |
| 18:34.36 | somiaj | l4m8d4: well see if the issue is in the jessie isntaller, also pay attention to if you are doing legacy boot or efi, and if doing efi, make sure you have gtp partition table and an efi partition. |
| 18:34.39 | rapha | somiaj: i have a windows program that does not run anymore with newer version of wine regretably. thank you for the hint with the chroot, trying that now! |
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| 18:35.16 | somiaj | damarusama: there should be a menu in the top left or something that lets you set the default session |
| 18:35.17 | mtn | damarusama, I think lightdm has a config file. you need to edit that file |
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| 18:35.34 | damarusama | somiaj: I'm still on the console |
| 18:35.53 | damarusama | mtn: yeah I was hoping for a .config/lightdm or a .lightdmrc somewhere... |
| 18:36.08 | somiaj | rapha: http://paste.debian.net/916073/ -- I still use this on wine 2.0, it makes a very simple .deb package (not compadable with debian wine .deb's but lets you install outside the chroot) |
| 18:36.27 | mtn | damarusama, it will be in /etc somewhere. the arch wiki has an article on how to use lightdm |
| 18:36.42 | somiaj | damarusama: there is a config file, but if you are running the display manager you can also just use its tools to set the default session. |
| 18:37.00 | damarusama | thanks I'll check it out |
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| 18:38.46 | l4m8d4 | somiaj: The installer doesn't let me choose if I want to deploy gpt or mbr |
| 18:38.53 | l4m8d4 | somiaj: Should I instead do it manually? |
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| 18:39.19 | grumpy | 11:38 p.m. <grumpy> anyone can guide me how i can play playstation4 games on debian |
| 18:39.39 | somiaj | l4m8d4: been a while since I've used the isntaller, it might only let you use the partition table format for the method you boot from. |
| 18:39.58 | l4m8d4 | somiaj: Well then it should be fine, right? |
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| 18:40.07 | grumpy | i want to play playstation 4 games on debian |
| 18:40.33 | towo` | grumpy, buy a playstation |
| 18:40.55 | somiaj | ,v pcsx |
| 18:40.56 | judd | No package named 'pcsx' was found in amd64. |
| 18:41.01 | somiaj | ,v pcsxr |
| 18:41.02 | judd | Package: pcsxr on amd64 -- jessie: 1.9.92-4; wheezy: 1.9.92-4; stretch: 1.9.94-2; sid: 1.9.94-2 |
| 18:41.19 | grumpy | towo`: i heared i can play by using some emulator |
| 18:41.43 | grumpy | judd thanks |
| 18:42.01 | somiaj | unsure if that emulates ps4 though |
| 18:42.16 | towo` | there is no workink ps4 emu |
| 18:42.20 | towo` | *working |
| 18:42.36 | somiaj | what I thought, I see playstation 2 is all |
| 18:42.58 | grumpy | somiaj: can u tel me any playstation emulator |
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| 18:43.36 | grumpy | somiaj: how to get gta vice city for pcxr |
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| 18:44.05 | rapha | somiaj: cool, thank you! |
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| 18:45.46 | somiaj | grumpy: there dosne't appear to be a ps4 emulator in Debian. google gives some exerimetial attempts but unsure on that. My suggestion is get a ps4 if you want to play ps4 games |
| 18:45.56 | grumpy | judd: from where to download gta vice city rom |
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| 18:46.25 | towo` | grumpy, this is not a warez chat |
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| 18:46.40 | towo` | grumpy, and again, there is no working ps3/ps4 emu |
| 18:46.57 | grumpy | somiaj: i will be okay with any playstation if i get some game roms for my son |
| 18:47.28 | OerHeks | grumpy, buy it? |
| 18:47.46 | grumpy | its expensive |
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| 18:48.15 | OerHeks | grumpy, jailtime is more expensive, stop asking for download illigal stuff, thanks. |
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| 18:48.59 | grumpy | OerHeks: thanks |
| 18:49.00 | somiaj | grumpy: we don't support breaking license agreements here. There are playstation 2 emulators in debian, such as pcsx2, but we suggest you only use games you legally own with it. |
| 18:49.18 | solosoft | hi, anyone here hva installed debian/ other distros on a x86 thinkpad tablet? |
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| 18:49.50 | rafalcpp | solosoft: tried googling for the model name yet? (I did not, sorry) |
| 18:49.55 | grumpy | i can borrow games cd from friend its not illegal i think |
| 18:49.55 | somiaj | solosoft: not really a useful question. Google may give you better hits of people atempting such a thing. We maybe able to help if you try to install debian and hit any issues. |
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| 18:51.17 | twosevenzero | solosoft: I have debian installed on an x201 tablet |
| 18:51.28 | solosoft | yes I tried that and found some suting subjects, but was just wondering if anyone here had some hands on experience |
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| 18:52.13 | solosoft | twosevenzero: did you have to use a otg cable whit usbstick? |
| 18:53.07 | twosevenzero | solosoft: maybe we are talking about different things. I just put the USB stick in and ran through a normal install |
| 18:53.11 | twosevenzero | nothing special |
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| 18:53.53 | solosoft | twosevenzero: same thing but mine only have a singel usbminiport and mmcard |
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| 18:55.42 | twosevenzero | whats the model number |
| 18:55.47 | jasonwc | What is the recommended practice for installing kernels from backports. I want to install 4.9 - but I don't want it to upgrade to newer major releases automatically because it might conflict with ZFS. So, is the best option to "sudo apt install -t jessie-backports linux-image-4.9.0-0.bpo.1-amd64" rather than linux-image-amd64. Also, will installing a specific kernel package prevent me from |
| 18:55.47 | jasonwc | receiving security updates? |
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| 18:56.29 | solosoft | twosevenzero: Im not sure I got it from a neibor that was trowing it out |
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| 18:57.14 | Brklyn | Hi! Ss there any way to know in the postinst if the package is being freshly installed or upgraded? |
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| 18:57.24 | solosoft | twosevenzero: he just got a Ipad |
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| 18:58.14 | SuperTramp83 | jasonwc, if you use the official repository to install a supported kernel you will get the security updates AFAIK. So yeah, you can install the one in backports |
| 18:58.15 | twosevenzero | solosoft: ahh.. you mean a real tablet. the x201 tablet that I have is a laptop with a swivel screen and a stylus. |
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| 18:58.27 | twosevenzero | solosoft: sorry for the confusion |
| 18:58.46 | solosoft | twosevenzero: its a intel prosessor |
| 18:59.44 | solosoft | twosevenzero: but are struglig find out the model eaven... |
| 19:00.37 | jasonwc | SuperTramp83 But should I reference the specific kernel I want (4.9) or the meta package (linux-image-amd64). For example, ZFS 0.6.5.9 only supports kernels through 4.9, so if backports updated to 4.10, it would not be able to compoile the ZFS module for the new kernel. This isn't an issue now becuase Stretch is frozen, but would be in the future. |
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| 19:02.39 | SuperTramp83 | jasonwc, the specific one. Backports won't automatically install a newer version, only the point upgrade (the sec fixes) |
| 19:02.48 | jasonwc | Got it, thanks :) |
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| 19:04.59 | rapha | somiaj: that's a whole lot of packages to set up *yawn* |
| 19:05.19 | somiaj | rapha: wine takes a lot to build, but building in a clean chroot makes it easier in the long run |
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| 19:15.55 | nyws | does the 'freezing desktop issue' tell something to someone ? |
| 19:16.20 | nyws | i've installed strech and this issue occurs a lot |
| 19:16.57 | mtn | nyws, usually a video driver problem |
| 19:16.57 | nyws | gnome session doesn't respond anymore, except for the mouse pointer |
| 19:17.22 | nyws | agree |
| 19:17.35 | nyws | but the logs aren't very verbose |
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| 19:17.54 | mtn | nyws, what card/chip? what driver? did you look at the wiki for your card? |
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| 19:18.13 | nyws | that's the new nvidia driver i think |
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| 19:18.21 | nyws | 'NOUVEAU' or something |
| 19:18.22 | mtn | nyws, and you should probably ask on #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) |
| 19:18.34 | dontknow | nyws, i had that issue on jessie. it happens rarely |
| 19:18.38 | nyws | ok, thank for the link |
| 19:18.54 | nyws | dontknow, never had any issue with jessie |
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| 19:19.20 | nyws | well, i was using 'official' nvidia driver |
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| 19:19.56 | somiaj | it is hard to debug the offical nvidia driver, though it works fine for me here in stretch. |
| 19:20.06 | somiaj | part of the problem with non-free software. |
| 19:20.22 | zinks | hello! Trying to set up avahi-daemon. Name resolution works with avahi-resolve but not with other programs ? see http://pastebin.com/j8yjtSbF |
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| 19:21.13 | nyws | mtn, hum, i need to get invited to talk on debian-next channel |
| 19:21.38 | tomcres | zinks, can you paste your /etc/nssswitch.conf? |
| 19:21.51 | mtn | nyws, you need to to go oftc.net |
| 19:22.48 | nyws | thank you |
| 19:23.00 | zinks | tomcres: http://pastebin.com/XMLJLwtT Why do I get the feeling somehitng is missing the "hosts" line? :p |
| 19:23.19 | tomcres | zinks, yes. You are missing "mdns" from the hosts line |
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| 19:23.51 | zinks | tomcres: ah great, indeed it is there on another system i have, but I had no idea about this file? Thanks I learnt something new!! |
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| 19:53.58 | rapha | somiaj: indeed, it's quite cumbersome... esp. with things like https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34329 |
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| 20:01.19 | jhutchins_wk | rapha: It's often more productive to learn how to do the end tasks with OS tools. |
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| 20:08.28 | JhonDoe0 | bla |
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| 20:14.33 | aerth | apt-get install bash-static with custom kernel running: E: The package linux-image-4.9.6aerth needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. |
| 20:16.16 | rapha | jhutchins_wk: ur ... what exactly do you mean? |
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| 20:16.36 | rapha | almost never uses any sort of GUI/etc. for sysadmin work |
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| 20:19.56 | clueless | " The amdgpu driver supports SI and newer families' video cards." - manpage. What's the SI family? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_CPU_microarchitectures |
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| 20:22.05 | tomcres | Southern Islands |
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| 20:22.29 | jhutchins_wk | rapha: Were you the one building wine? |
| 20:23.00 | rapha | jhutchins_wk: yes. |
| 20:23.27 | jhutchins_wk | So I was just saying that it's sometimes less work to learn an OS tool rather than get a Windows tool working on wine. |
| 20:23.42 | clueless | by chance aynone knows if i can run the amdgpu driver with an R7? |
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| 20:24.19 | rapha | jhutchins_wk: well, if there was a native substitute available i wouldn't be going to the trouble of building wine 1.6. |
| 20:24.28 | tomcres | clueless, I believe all the R7 GPU's use the radeon driver |
| 20:25.06 | simbalion | Hi, I use xdotool with keepass and a keyboard shortcut to type passwords. Sometimes after booting up, the keyboard shortcuts do not work. Can someone help me understand why, and how to fix that without rebooting? |
| 20:25.19 | clueless | tomcres: by "radeon driver" you mean the open source one? |
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| 20:25.49 | tomcres | clueless, yes. or the fglrx closed source driver |
| 20:26.14 | tomcres | either one should work. Which R7 do you have, btw? |
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| 20:26.35 | clueless | tomcres: ah yes, should have mentioned that i'm running stretch - fglrx is deprecated (thus i'm looking into amdgpu) |
| 20:27.04 | tomcres | clueless, OK. So am I. I'm using an R7 260X on stretch. |
| 20:27.17 | clueless | tomcres: i'm using the R7870 (xfx) |
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| 20:29.24 | towo` | clueless, in debian-kernel the experimental CIK support for amdgpu is disabled afaik |
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| 20:30.02 | towo` | clueless, in theory amdgpu could work, but you would not have any benefit over radeon |
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| 20:31.13 | clueless | towo`: tomcres: thanks |
| 20:31.24 | somiaj | rapha: I have built my own wine packages for so long that I don't notice it anymore. Compile time is way more than chroot setup time on my end. |
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| 20:32.09 | rapha | somiaj: i just hate that it seems build-dep didn't pull in everything that's needed... |
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| 20:32.37 | towo` | apdgpu-pro should even support your card, but debian is not official supported by apdgpu-pro |
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| 20:34.17 | rapha | somiaj: and indeed, even on a quad core i7 it is taking its sweet time |
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| 20:44.30 | somiaj | rapha: somestuff may be outdated. not build-dep pulls in the dependencies to build, but not nescarally the build tools, and using something like pbuilder/sbuild will automoate this whole procedure. |
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| 20:45.40 | rapha | somiaj: say, if you follow the recipe you posted, is that package then installable alongside the default wine-development package? |
| 20:46.47 | bakboter | Hey debain channel i cant seem to detect a my new hard drive switch from windows to debian i can see the hard drive in windows but no in the installer |
| 20:47.09 | rapha | somiaj: as for the error i'm still getting: "error: called object 'pcupsGetPPD'" ... despite pretty much all of *cups*dev being installed :( |
| 20:47.40 | somiaj | rapha: I think it can be, I know it conflicts with some of the wine packages in debian, and it is a single package not split up into libs, I personally don't install any of debian's wine packages when using my custom build just to avoid any conflicts |
| 20:47.44 | somiaj | rapha: is that a build error? |
| 20:48.07 | rapha | yes it is ... in info.c |
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| 20:48.50 | rapha | somiaj: so you /only/ need wine 1.6? because in the end, i'll need to have 1.6 and 2.0. |
| 20:48.51 | jhutchins_wk | Centos had a tool that would build a specified chroot, build a package in it, and tear down the chroot, so you always had a clean build env. |
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| 20:49.46 | somiaj | rapha: you may not want to build a package and just compile wine in the chroot then run it from inside its build dir, doing something similar to playonlinux, having different versions of wine installed that way. Not positive on these detals |
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| 20:50.09 | somiaj | jhutchins_wk: pbuilder/sbuild/cowbuild all do that\ |
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| 20:50.18 | somiaj | though I only have used pbuilder |
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| 20:52.24 | rapha | i guess i'll keep trying to have it build successfully in the first place |
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| 20:54.07 | somiaj | rapha: when building on a multiarch system you have to be careful, headers/development files aren't multiarch, so you really can't have both amd64 build libs and i386 build libs installed at the same time. I just find chroots easier to deal with in this case. |
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| 20:56.18 | rapha | somiaj: i'm building in a chroot like you suggested. there are problems with wine 1.6 where it requires patching now in order to be built on a modern system. |
| 20:57.39 | Lady_Aleena | Is it normal for there to be 92 different places apt-get update looks for new package? |
| 20:57.45 | somiaj | ahh yea, I haven't built wine 1.6 since 1.8 has come out. |
| 20:57.50 | Lady_Aleena | s/package/packages/; |
| 20:57.58 | greycat | If you mean 92 separate little things to download, yes. If you mean 92 different servers, no. |
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| 20:58.53 | Lady_Aleena | greycat, It seems to get updates from 92 places. |
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| 20:59.27 | greycat | How did you determine this? |
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| 21:00.29 | Lady_Aleena | greycat, when I ran apt-get update, it said get:1 through get:92. |
| 21:00.48 | greycat | That means it's downloading 92 things. Which is normal. It does not mean they come from 92 different servers. |
| 21:01.05 | Lady_Aleena | greycat, so its okay then, right? |
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| 21:02.15 | Lady_Aleena | Also, how should I manage unknown media types? The same list of media types comes up in every upgrade I run. |
| 21:02.35 | TomTomTo1 | did you put a bunch of stuff in sources.list? 92 is a lot. |
| 21:02.45 | jhutchins_wk | Lady_Aleena: you probably have an error in sources.list. |
| 21:03.12 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: care to share your sources.list file and any additional sources you have in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 21:03.18 | Iridos | "unknown media types"? Where did that turn up? |
| 21:03.21 | greycat | or maybe it's just COMPLETELY NORMAL because she's running backports and it's been a while since she last updated and it's doing that thing it does where it grabs little diffs instead of a big re-download |
| 21:03.23 | jhutchins_wk | Doesn't seem like a lot to me. |
| 21:03.24 | Lady_Aleena | all/all, all/allfiles, uri/mms, uri/mmst, uri/mmsu, uri/pnm, uri/rtspt, and uri/rtspu |
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| 21:03.56 | somiaj | On testing/unstable, it will download daily .diff's over the full database, but if you go a while between updates, it will download a large number of these .diffs |
| 21:04.07 | greycat | I have no idea what this MIME-type thing is that she's updating. |
| 21:04.26 | Lady_Aleena | It looks like the list was generated after shared-mime-info triggers were processed. |
| 21:04.45 | greycat | !widhe |
| 21:04.46 | dpkg | When In Doubt, Hit Enter |
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| 21:05.16 | Iridos | uh⦠|
| 21:05.19 | jhutchins_wk | Well, I only get 14 with no backports or dmo and no src. I think I get a lot more at home. |
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| 21:05.37 | Iridos | and don't confuse enter with any red nuclear buttons, kthx |
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| 21:06.09 | Lady_Aleena | My sources.list http://paste.debian.net/916108/ |
| 21:06.42 | greycat | See, backports. |
| 21:07.05 | greycat | although I don't see why you have two of it |
| 21:07.39 | Lady_Aleena | greycat, do I have duplicates? |
| 21:07.42 | somiaj | you have various duplicates in that sourceslist Lady_Aleena |
| 21:07.42 | Iridos | and of volatile |
| 21:08.03 | somiaj | line 7 and 17 for instance, and lines 19 and 21 |
| 21:08.20 | somiaj | and 14/19 |
| 21:08.25 | Lady_Aleena | And here are a few messages I get when upgrading: http://paste.debian.net/916109/ |
| 21:08.26 | greycat | you mean 18 and 21 |
| 21:09.04 | greycat | So yeah, at least 3 lines that can be removed. |
| 21:09.10 | Iridos | and 14 and 19 |
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| 21:09.47 | Iridos | oh, had that |
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| 21:10.21 | Lady_Aleena | So deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ jessie main and deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free are the same? |
| 21:11.02 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: effictivally, in this case the second also contains contrib and non-free, but you don't need a seperate line for that |
| 21:11.04 | greycat | The former is a subset of the latter. |
| 21:11.08 | jhutchins_wk | Lady_Aleena: Well, not the same, but main is duplicated. |
| 21:12.18 | Lady_Aleena | So ftp. and http. are the same? |
| 21:12.31 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: all of your sources use http:// |
| 21:12.36 | TomTomTo1 | just different mirrors... |
| 21:13.13 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: ftp.us.debian.org is a round-robin dns type mirror (old style) and http.debian.net or httpredir.debian.org (the .org is the suggested one) are more mordern redirectors for choosing a close by mirror. |
| 21:13.17 | Iridos | there are different mirrors⦠the names of the mirror hosts don't matter (they just have to be valid mirrors that actually have the repo you're trying to get) |
| 21:14.13 | greycat | The only lines you that aren't just straight-up mirrors are 10-11 and 20 |
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| 21:15.09 | Iridos | yeah⦠I see how 20 would be confusing⦠if you hadn't added it yourself |
| 21:15.29 | Lady_Aleena | Okay, let me edit and see where I am. |
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| 21:16.27 | bakboter | hey in the linux setup menu is it posaable it has trubbel showing more than 4 hardrives |
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| 21:16.36 | Lady_Aleena | So, http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ is old; http://http.debian.net/debian/ is new? |
| 21:17.35 | Lady_Aleena | Meaning the lines with ftp.us.debian.org are no longer needed as long as I have http.debian.net |
| 21:17.52 | Iridos | either is fine |
| 21:17.54 | greycat | More to the point, lines 7-8 only have main, not main contrib non-free |
| 21:18.12 | greycat | Just pick one mirror or redirector and stick with ti. |
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| 21:20.02 | Lady_Aleena | Let me sort the list to try to figure this out. I am getting confused. While I'm doing that, bakboter has a question. |
| 21:20.40 | rapha | bah. i'll give up. the CUPS problem with wine 1.6 seems unsolvable. |
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| 21:21.07 | somiaj | rapha: just disable cups support? |
| 21:21.20 | somiaj | rapha: the configure script should have an option I would think |
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| 21:21.34 | bakboter | i cant get my 5th / new drive to show up in the debian installer but it shows in windows and i made sure it on the same sata controler |
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| 21:25.08 | rapha | hah! |
| 21:25.14 | Lady_Aleena | SOB, my text editor lost a plug in to sort lines, and I don't remember the name of it. |
| 21:25.21 | rapha | somiaj: need to add "#include <cups/ppd.h>" to info.c! |
| 21:26.07 | rapha | somiaj: is there a way to have dpkg-buildpackage continue where it left off instead of doing make clean and going all over again? |
| 21:26.14 | somiaj | rapha: that seems a bit overkill, I would assume there was a ./configure optoin that would just disable needing the cups libs at all. |
| 21:26.17 | somiaj | rapha: nope |
| 21:26.21 | somiaj | rapha: well not that I know of |
| 21:26.22 | rapha | :( |
| 21:26.57 | rapha | well, it'd be nice to be able to print from within wine. i'll try and see if it works with patching things up as i go. |
| 21:27.06 | rapha | yup, build complete. |
| 21:27.21 | towo` | fakeroot debian/rules binary |
| 21:27.42 | jhutchins_wk | bakboter: If the BIOS sees it, the installer should see it. |
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| 21:28.05 | rapha | towo`: to get dpkg-buildpackage to not do make clean? |
| 21:28.11 | towo` | yes |
| 21:28.16 | somiaj | bakboter: another thing is open up the second console, alt-f2, then use demsg and see what it says about detecing of the different drives |
| 21:28.25 | jhutchins_wk | Lady_Aleena: I can tell you how to do it in vim. |
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| 21:28.28 | bakboter | yea did a replug to the other sata controler |
| 21:28.38 | rapha | towo`: thank you! :) |
| 21:28.43 | somiaj | rapha: that just bypasses the other things dpkg-buildpackage does and goes straight to the building of the binary |
| 21:28.49 | Lady_Aleena | How does this sources.list look? http://paste.debian.net/916113/ |
| 21:28.50 | rapha | oh |
| 21:28.52 | rapha | hmm |
| 21:29.05 | bakboter | now waiting wat the installer is gonne say |
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| 21:29.08 | somiaj | rapha: note that is one thing that dpkg-buildpackage calls, but all the other stuff should be fine |
| 21:29.11 | rapha | somiaj: there's "-nc" according to the manpage |
| 21:29.43 | rapha | tries |
| 21:29.48 | rapha | yup! |
| 21:29.48 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: to much cleaning. |
| 21:29.50 | Lady_Aleena | jhutchins_wk, I don't think I have vim installed. |
| 21:29.55 | somiaj | !jessie sources.list |
| 21:29.56 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 21:29.59 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, what? |
| 21:30.07 | rapha | somiaj: "-nc" works! |
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| 21:30.17 | TomTomTo1 | Lady_Aleena: so... you didn't remove the duplicates and instead combined things that don't belong together. |
| 21:30.20 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: ^^ you need those three lines for jessie, then mayabe one more for jessie-backports and one more for mozilla.debian.net |
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| 21:30.46 | TomTomTo1 | eh, nvm, that's a deb-src line. |
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| 21:31.39 | Lady_Aleena | TomTomTo1 and somiaj: Should I just leave it as it is then? http://paste.debian.net/916108/ |
| 21:31.43 | jhutchins_wk | Don't forget dmo! |
| 21:31.46 | jhutchins_wk | ducks |
| 21:32.56 | Lady_Aleena | I am now very confused. |
| 21:32.58 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: do you want deb-src repos or just binary repos? |
| 21:33.13 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, what is the difference? |
| 21:33.30 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: deb-src repos only have source code that needs to be compiled, not needed to run binaries |
| 21:33.50 | Lady_Aleena | I know nothing except that I have to add certain lines to make sure certain programs like Firefox stay up to date with today. |
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| 21:34.13 | rapha | somiaj: finally! the .deb built and seems to install just fine, but not alongside wine-development. i guess i'll have to figure out how to build my own "wine-1.6" and "wine-2.0" packages. |
| 21:34.19 | greycat | "deb" lines are binaries. You need those. "deb-src" lines are source code. You don't need those unless you plan to rebuild packages from source. |
| 21:34.25 | missmbob | Lady_Aleena: you still have only certain repos with main contrib non-free and others with just main. make them all main contrib non-free |
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| 21:34.35 | bakboter | worked apertnly the |
| 21:35.10 | Lady_Aleena | So, if I am not EVER planning on compiling my programs, I do not need deb-src, correct? |
| 21:35.54 | rapha | sometimes there are packages that require building something |
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| 21:36.36 | n4dir | If you will want to build packages from source, in the future, you can always add deb-src lines. No need to do it, uncommented, right now |
| 21:36.46 | Lady_Aleena | So without all the deb-src lines, I have: http://paste.debian.net/916116/ |
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| 21:37.02 | missmbob | Lady_Aleena: you still have only certain repos with main contrib non-free and others with just main. make them all main contrib non-free |
| 21:37.35 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: http://paste.debian.net/916118/ that should be sufficent |
| 21:37.51 | missmbob | yes. that ^ |
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| 21:39.08 | Lady_Aleena | So jessie, jessie-backports, and jessie-updates are different than main, contrib, and non-free? |
| 21:39.10 | greycat | Now you've done it. Now she'll have to ask what deb.debian.org is. |
| 21:39.24 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: yes |
| 21:39.59 | Lady_Aleena | So they get different lines even though the address is the same. |
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| 21:40.13 | rapha | greycat: why the atttitude? |
| 21:40.27 | Lady_Aleena | greycat, you are welcome to answer that question, because I want to know. |
| 21:40.31 | missmbob | Lady_Aleena: yes. exactly as somiaj has it in that paste |
| 21:40.31 | cef | domovoy__: how'd yoiu go with the h/drive? or still going? |
| 21:40.45 | greycat | deb.debian.org is the THIRD attempt to make an autl-geo-redirector |
| 21:40.48 | greycat | auto-* |
| 21:41.14 | TomTomTo1 | third time's the charm. |
| 21:41.31 | somiaj | I was going to use httpredir.debian.org, but it just points at deb.debian.org anyways and that is easier to type |
| 21:41.38 | Lady_Aleena | What is the base addy? http, httpredir, or deb? |
| 21:41.47 | greycat | *facepalm* |
| 21:41.53 | greycat | See. |
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| 21:42.02 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: deb.debian.org is the one to use, the others just point there anyways. |
| 21:42.04 | Iridos | It's bound to work sometime!! |
| 21:42.07 | Lady_Aleena | greycat, would you rather me stay in the dark? |
| 21:42.31 | Iridos | only from dusk till dawn ^ ^ |
| 21:42.40 | rapha | the greycat don't like them colours |
| 21:42.45 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: using the old ftp.us.debian.org is not recomended (though it still works), but this is just a round robin dns entry, not an actual redirector like the other ones which now all point to deb.debian.org |
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| 21:43.07 | greycat | DNS is telling me they all point to static.debian.org |
| 21:43.09 | Lady_Aleena | So, deb.debian.org it is then. |
| 21:43.39 | Release_ | greetz is there an easy way to edit prompt for jessie cause atm it shows just $ |
| 21:43.39 | Iridos | well⦠it does have going one thing for itself, though⦠that is that it works for everyone everywhere after they picked the correct one |
| 21:44.06 | somiaj | greycat: ahh thanks, I'm just going off of dpkg's factoid. I can't keep up with what to call the mirror. |
| 21:44.21 | jhutchins_wk | rapha: You've heard of grumpycat? greycat is his smarter, grumpier cousin. |
| 21:44.22 | greycat | 16:18 greycat> Just pick one mirror or redirector and stick with ti. |
| 21:44.42 | tomcres | just curious (and hopefully not making it even more confusing), but what ever happened to cdn.debian.net? |
| 21:44.56 | Lady_Aleena | What would one call the group which is jessie, jessie-updates, and jessie-backports? |
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| 21:45.33 | cef | the deb lines in apt's sources.list are made of 4 parts: 'deb' which tells us the type of entry (deb, deb-src), then the URL to the host (eg: http://httpredir.debian.org, then the file/group on the host (eg: jessie, jessie-updates, jessie-backports), then the sub-groups (eg: main, contrib, non-free) |
| 21:45.37 | greycat | tomcres: it, too, points to static.debian.org |
| 21:45.40 | Lady_Aleena | What would one call the group which is main, contrib, and non-free? |
| 21:45.48 | somiaj | Release_: this is controled via an enviorment variable, PS1 is the variable that is used in bash. |
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| 21:46.00 | dax | tomcres: it got replaced by http.debian.net which got renamed to httpredir.debian.org which got replaced by deb.debian.org |
| 21:46.06 | dax | which no doubt will be called something else next week |
| 21:46.08 | cef | only the last part (the sub-groups) can be listed multiple times. |
| 21:46.14 | Release_ | yes i was looking at it right now somiaj |
| 21:46.24 | tomcres | wow⦠more aliases than a fugitive! |
| 21:46.28 | Release_ | i dont know exactly what to change yet |
| 21:46.29 | greycat | Release_: also, '$' is not a default Debian prompt. |
| 21:46.30 | Release_ | in it |
| 21:46.39 | Release_ | hm ok greycat |
| 21:46.55 | greycat | I think the default is user@host:directory$ |
| 21:46.57 | Release_ | is there a way to check what is used atm |
| 21:47.02 | greycat | echo "$PS1" |
| 21:47.10 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: https://wiki.debian.org/RepositoryFormat -- deb mirror distribution [component1] [component2] |
| 21:47.19 | Release_ | $ echo "$PS1" |
| 21:47.19 | Release_ | $ |
| 21:47.26 | Release_ | it showed $ |
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| 21:47.45 | greycat | Sounds like someone edited something on your system already. Which is fine. |
| 21:47.47 | Release_ | box is fresh created |
| 21:47.55 | Iridos | Lady_Aleena, it's a good question⦠not sure there's a great answer⦠|
| 21:48.14 | TomTomTo1 | it's just the archive name and components i believe. |
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| 21:48.17 | n4dir | in debian .bashrc of user sets the prompt. at least default |
| 21:48.23 | Release_ | whats is the easiest and fastest way to edit to correct prompt |
| 21:48.29 | cef | Release_: did you log in as a user or root? did you go all the way thru login, or did you specify some sort of recovery option? |
| 21:48.29 | n4dir | Release_: |
| 21:48.38 | Release_ | as user |
| 21:48.46 | greycat | .bashrc is the correct file to edit for bash on any OS |
| 21:48.56 | Release_ | in root its fine i think |
| 21:48.59 | Release_ | ill check again |
| 21:49.24 | Release_ | yes in root its fine |
| 21:49.29 | cef | Release_: is this a user you created, or the installer? |
| 21:49.36 | Release_ | user |
| 21:49.40 | n4dir | if you didn't do any edits, as you say, then it's odd |
| 21:49.41 | Release_ | with -m |
| 21:49.49 | Release_ | perhaps that changed stuff |
| 21:49.54 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: so the distribution was originally set up so you could have different releases such as 'jessie', 'stretch', 'sid', 'wheezy', etc. The components are the three main branches debian offers, 'main', 'contrib' and 'non-free', so these are additional components you can include (or not include) with the release. Now this system then gets used to provide additional packages. so 'jessie-updates' is the |
| 21:50.00 | somiaj | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:50.02 | cef | ok.. so it probably didn't create the home dir or populate it with skeleton files |
| 21:50.08 | somiaj | Release_: export PS1="mypromt" |
| 21:50.10 | greycat | The default .bashrc file comes from /etc/skel/.bashrc and gets copied to your home directory when your user account is created. |
| 21:50.12 | Release_ | ok |
| 21:50.13 | Iridos | somiaj, only that backports isn't exactly a distribution⦠|
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| 21:50.31 | Iridos | not in the sense of the word |
| 21:50.31 | cef | Release_: did you use useradd or adduser? |
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| 21:50.51 | somiaj | Iridos: and neither is jessie-updates or jessie/security, hence the 'system gets used to provide' but not really its original design from my experience. |
| 21:50.55 | greycat | If you don't have a PS1 at all, I think you would have bash-4.3$ or something. Just '$' is weird. |
| 21:50.57 | Release_ | useradd |
| 21:51.12 | Release_ | useradd -m |
| 21:51.18 | cef | Release_: both have options for this sort of stuff, which probably don't do everything for you if you don't specify. |
| 21:51.18 | somiaj | maybe the shell being used is dash |
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| 21:51.24 | Gabriel | Hi |
| 21:51.27 | somiaj | Release_: echo $SHELL |
| 21:51.35 | Iridos | somiaj, yes⦠it has grown historically⦠why there isn't really a great satisfying answer, I think |
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| 21:51.59 | Gabriel | Is it possible to ssh into my computer, and view the same terminal thats om the computer screen? (I forgot to start a screen session) (I'm using rasbian on Raspberry pi) |
| 21:52.20 | Lady_Aleena | So, here is what I will put in my sources.list, unless there are any last moment problems? |
| 21:52.23 | Lady_Aleena | http://paste.debian.net/916121/ |
| 21:52.31 | Release_ | /bin/sh |
| 21:52.54 | greycat | Release_: for an interactive user, you really should have bash (or zsh or something else that's friendly) as the shell instead of sh |
| 21:53.01 | somiaj | Gabriel: possible I belive, but not in an easy way, but I think it might be possible, you'll have to ask google. |
| 21:53.12 | Release_ | hm ok |
| 21:53.15 | somiaj | Release_: /bin/sh points to dash, so you are using dash which is most likely the reason, change that users shell to /bin/bash |
| 21:53.22 | Gabriel | I tried :/ |
| 21:53.25 | cef | Release_: 'man useradd' and look at the -k option. My guess is that either /etc/default/skel has the wrong thing in it, or /etc/skel (default) is missing the files you want. |
| 21:53.44 | greycat | cef: or he's in the wrong shell |
| 21:53.51 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: Despite line 16, I do recall typing that up myself, though maybe missmbob really did it. (: |
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| 21:53.57 | cef | greycat: that could be possible too |
| 21:54.04 | Release_ | how to change that |
| 21:54.05 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: looks fine, notes don't use the same jargon as the docs will but idea is basically correct. |
| 21:54.23 | Release_ | the /bin/bash |
| 21:54.29 | Release_ | i mean the sh |
| 21:54.31 | cef | greycat: he should just be able to run 'bash' as that user and see everything go right if he's in the wrong shell tho. |
| 21:54.37 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, you have been added to the thanks. |
| 21:54.52 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: its fine, I was more just teasing you, I don't need to be cited. (: |
| 21:54.55 | greycat | Release_: chsh, as the user |
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| 21:55.22 | Iridos | Gabriel, well⦠on debian⦠ttysnoop, I think |
| 21:56.04 | Gabriel | To specify, I ran an update (sudo apt-get distro-upgrade), but now its stuck on a "yes/no" choice thingy, but I can physically accsess my machine atm. Is there a way to cancel the update, and resume over ssh? Thx |
| 21:56.42 | rapha | Release_: btw i really like PS1="\n\[\e[32;1m\](\[\e[37;1m\]\u\[\e[32;1m\])-(\[\e[37;1m\]jobs:\j\[\e[32;1m\])-(\[\e[37;1m\]\w\[\e[32;1m\])\n(\[\[\e[37;1m\]! \!\[\e[32;1m\])-> \[\e[0m\]" |
| 21:56.53 | Gabriel | can I use ttysnoop without having physical access to it? |
| 21:57.04 | Release_ | tnx for all the suggestions folks |
| 21:57.05 | Lady_Aleena | Why didn't alt-a select the text in nano? I looked it up on google, and alt-a didn't work to select all the text. Also, ctrl-u did not paste the text into nano either. |
| 21:57.14 | dax | dpkg: raspbian |
| 21:57.14 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 21:57.30 | Release_ | thnx rapha |
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| 21:57.38 | rapha | sure :) |
| 21:57.47 | greycat | And on the other side of the spectrum, I like PS1='\h:\w\$ ' |
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| 21:57.58 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: nano is run inside your terminal, I so if you select it is the terminal that selects, not nano. Usually a middle mouse button can paste after that |
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| 21:58.06 | greycat | The default debian PS1 from skel is somewhere in between. |
| 21:58.13 | Gabriel | #rasbian was empty/silent |
| 21:58.50 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, so I have to delete the entire sources.list file character by character? |
| 21:58.53 | n4dir | Gabriel i didn't really understand, hence not sure if pkill apt-get might be an option |
| 21:59.12 | Iridos | Gabriel, that doesn't make it more valid here⦠anyway, we did answer you, go and try it |
| 21:59.40 | Gabriel | Sure, it wont corrupt anything, right? |
| 21:59.46 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: no, you should be able to copy/paste using the terminal. I just click the middle mouse button and it pasts |
| 21:59.56 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: oh for deleting, ctrl-k will delete a whole line |
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| 22:00.05 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, middle mouse not working for me. |
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| 22:00.23 | n4dir | can't say that i consider stopping a running package-manager action a good idea |
| 22:00.29 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: just use an editior you are use to like gedit, so sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:00.55 | Gabriel | So should I try ttysnoop? (If it works on rasbian) |
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| 22:01.13 | somiaj | Gabriel: you should really be asking rasbian or ##linux -- as we don't support it here. |
| 22:01.20 | Lady_Aleena | I have to wait, my terminal is screwy at the moment. |
| 22:01.31 | somiaj | Gabriel: you are in the configure state of the install, if you stop it you have a lock file to deal with and will need to run dpkg --configure -a |
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| 22:02.15 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Nano -- this says Ctrl+U or f10 to paste |
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| 22:02.42 | Gabriel | So, "sudo pkill apt-get" then "sudo dpkg --configure -a"? |
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| 22:03.07 | somiaj | Gabriel: if you want, but please take raspbian support to the proper location |
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| 22:07.09 | Gabriel | Woo, seems like it worked I assume. So thanks a lot! :) |
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| 22:07.16 | Lady_Aleena | I'm going to have to type all of this in manually, because it is not pasting from my text editor. Ctrl-U is pasting the lines I deleted with Ctrl-K. |
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| 22:09.04 | Gabriel | Thanks somiaj :) cya |
| 22:09.15 | tomcres | Lady_Aleena, you can always use the download link at the bottom of the pastebin and then just mv the file to /etc/sources.list |
| 22:09.21 | n4dir | depends on the file, Lady_Aleena, but cat filename might be an option. |
| 22:09.27 | n4dir | and that would even be better: |
| 22:09.31 | n4dir | alias sprunge="curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us" |
| 22:09.31 | n4dir | #usage cat text.txt | sprunge |
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| 22:10.51 | tomcres | *sorry, /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 22:11.28 | n4dir | uh, oh, ah, well: "apt-get install pastebinit". |
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| 22:16.05 | Lady_Aleena | Okay, my sources.list file is updated, and I've run apt-get update and apt-get upgrade with no errors at the moment. |
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| 22:17.55 | locrian9 | I'm installing Debian onto a new PC, and it asked to install some 'non-free' driver for my realtek hardware. I found it at the Debian mirror (http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-realtek_0.43_all.deb), but do I just 'curl -O' that link, put this onto a USB stick, replace the installer USB with this new UBS stick, and hit enter? Just wanted to know if the '.deb' file |
| 22:18.01 | locrian9 | is going to be readable once I download and offer it to the installation prompt. |
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| 22:20.47 | Iridos | locrian9, as far as I remember, you copy it to the install disk/usb before⦠look at https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 22:21.06 | Iridos | there's also inofficial images that already contain the firmware |
| 22:21.09 | missmbob | locrian9: probably the easiest way is to use the iso that includes the firmware |
| 22:21.28 | Iridos | dpkg, firmware installer |
| 22:21.28 | dpkg | Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch06s04 . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. |
| 22:22.01 | Lady_Aleena | Now uping may be a smidge faster. |
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| 22:26.51 | Lady_Aleena | Now to fix these things when I upgrade: http://paste.debian.net/916109/ |
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| 23:07.18 | Lady_Aleena | head desks. She can not remove Konqueror without installing all of KDE. |
| 23:08.09 | Lady_Aleena | Why is everything starting with a K on my system so tightly tied to KDE to the point I can't remove just one component? |
| 23:08.50 | Lady_Aleena | I want to remove Konqueror because some programs will open web pages in it instead of my default Firefox. |
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| 23:08.59 | themill | that's the whole point of kde -- integrated. |
| 23:09.23 | themill | (also, konqueror is used internally by things to show html content) |
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| 23:09.56 | dannyLpz | Who is the name for F3, I mean, for F1 is meta2-P |
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| 23:10.29 | awal1 | Lady_Alena, if you go system settings and check default apps and enable for example firefox for web stuff instead of konqueror, you solve you problem |
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| 23:11.33 | egrain | how does your chroot work? |
| 23:11.45 | awal1 | Lady_Aleena, also update-alternatives --config x-www-browser & www-browser |
| 23:12.02 | egrain | nevermind. find it. |
| 23:12.05 | egrain | found. |
| 23:13.55 | Lady_Aleena | Thank you awal1. Thank worked! |
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| 23:16.53 | awal1 | Lady_Aleena, np |
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| 23:17.47 | guest523 | Is Intel's SSD firmware update tool in the Debian repositories, and is it needed or recommended after installing os? I'm replacing a broken hard drive in a laptop with an SSD and want to make sure it works properly. |
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| 23:18.23 | NapoleonWils0n | hi all |
| 23:18.41 | NapoleonWils0n | installed mutt but i see in the status bar it says neomutt |
| 23:19.02 | NapoleonWils0n | would explain why my keybindings dont work |
| 23:19.18 | missmbob | guest523: i see nothing in repos for it |
| 23:21.03 | NapoleonWils0n | anyone else having problems with mutt today |
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| 23:22.07 | zykotick9 | NapoleonWils0n: installed mutt? doesn't mutt come with the base debian install these days? |
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| 23:22.16 | NapoleonWils0n | yes your right mate |
| 23:23.31 | NapoleonWils0n | but it says neomutt in the statusbar, some of my keybindings from my muttrc arent working |
| 23:25.05 | zykotick9 | is unable to mind any debian package called neomutt, or mutt with neo in the name... |
| 23:25.45 | TomTomTosch | it's just mutt in stretch. |
| 23:26.00 | zykotick9 | ah... |
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| 23:26.11 | NapoleonWils0n | i see there is a /etc/Muttrc config file |
| 23:26.37 | Lady_Aleena | taking a break as she is about to have a fit of rage. |
| 23:26.55 | NapoleonWils0n | i would have thought my ~/.muttrc file should override the defaults |
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| 23:28.56 | NapoleonWils0n | i want classic coke not new coke |
| 23:29.13 | NapoleonWils0n | wheres the old mutt :( |
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| 23:30.03 | TomTomTosch | replaced by shiny patched-up mutt. |
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| 23:31.38 | NapoleonWils0n | problem is mutt has been around for a while and youll get a lot more hits for mutt than neomutt |
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| 23:32.17 | NapoleonWils0n | so have to spend time trying to figure out what neomutt has added that breaks my muttrc |
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| 23:33.45 | zykotick9 | will remember NapoleonWils0n's issue, after Stretch is released, and will start with a blank mutt config :( |
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| 23:36.39 | guest523 | Looks like Intel's update tool can be put on a bootable usb, so besides that any other concerns for SSD or Intel SSD on Debian? |
| 23:37.30 | Zewwy | lol Hardware on software |
| 23:37.56 | Zewwy | I think you meant to say Debian on SSD, no, there should be no issues from a HDD |
| 23:38.08 | Zewwy | vs SSD |
| 23:38.09 | guest523 | yea, worded weird |
| 23:39.01 | locrian9 | In VirtualBox, how come I'm getting a "USB device 'LexarMedia,Inc.' with UUID {b5e6a9a7-d00e-4498-a96d-4ac0e58bdadb} is busy with a previous request. Please try again later" |
| 23:39.02 | Zewwy | unless there something special I bleieve the OS isn't much aware other than what the storage controller provides? |
| 23:39.41 | Zewwy | locrian9: attached to another VM? or locked to host? |
| 23:39.46 | NapoleonWils0n | so no way to install the proper mutt on debian |
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| 23:40.27 | Zewwy | no backups? |
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| 23:42.05 | locrian9 | Zewwy: Host is Win7, and nothing is open on the USB. I'm pretty much just putting the USB into the host, right-clicking on the bottom-right USB icon in VirtualBox, selecting the 'Lexar USB [0101]' that appears when inserted, then getting that error. No new device showing up in /dev. |
| 23:42.31 | Zewwy | no autorun happening in teh background maybe?\ |
| 23:43.08 | Zewwy | i don't have much of any experience with VirtualBox, or how it handles hardware passthorugh |
| 23:43.20 | locrian9 | Zewey: Hmmm it would be good to have a syslog in Win7 to see if that's going on. |
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| 23:43.41 | Zewwy | you mean event viewer, or procmon by sysinternals |
| 23:44.08 | locrian9 | Zewey: Hmmm, right. I'll see what that's doing. |
| 23:44.30 | locrian9 | Zewey: All the #vbox people are sleeping in that channel... |
| 23:44.42 | Zewwy | I figured VirtualBox would be aare of such things and provide a better erro message, but meh |
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| 23:45.17 | Zewwy | i know Handles by sysinternals |
| 23:45.31 | Zewwy | would be a good start to see if there are any unkown locks taking place |
| 23:45.58 | locrian9 | Zewwy: Yeah, I had this working before. Something weird now. I'll check procmon / sysinternals |
| 23:46.00 | Zewwy | Mark Russianovich is an awesome dev |
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| 23:46.38 | Zewwy | when in doubt reboot, but not sure if you are runnign, lol, critical servers on your VirtualBox |
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| 23:48.13 | Zewwy | I've since long learned I can spend hours trying to dig deep and solve an issue, just to discover a reboot would have solved it too |
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| 23:49.20 | Zewwy | Best example of this was one time I noticed I wasn't getting auto out of my TV's HDMI inputs, cable was fine, RCA was fine, but all my HDMI wasn't working, no matter which system I used (Xbox or PS)... turned out I simply had to turn the TV off and back on... |
| 23:49.33 | Zewwy | I was at the point I was convinced the HDMI chip in teh TV was done somehow |
| 23:49.57 | Zewwy | nope simple "reboot" of the TV worked |
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| 23:57.11 | NapoleonWils0n | cant believe theres no mutt package for debian |
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| 23:57.29 | missmbob | ,v mutt |
| 23:57.44 | judd | Package: mutt on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.5.21-6.2+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 1.5.21-6.2+deb7u3; jessie: 1.5.23-3; sid: 1.7.2-1; stretch: 1.7.2-1 |
| 23:58.48 | NapoleonWils0n | except is neomutt which seems to muck up muttrc keybindings |
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