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| 01:29.20 | ThomasP | Good night. |
| 01:30.05 | ThomasP | My internet connection in my Debian is wavering, it's dropping and reconnecting very quickly. |
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| 01:31.18 | ThomasP | I exprrienced connection drops before, and tried updating the realtek firmware to the veraion available in jessie-backports. |
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| 01:32.44 | ThomasP | That didn't cut, so I installed Wicd just so that it would reconnect automatically and not bother with the screen prompt asking me to reconnect. |
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| 01:33.00 | ThomasP | It worked for a while. |
| 01:33.56 | ThomasP | But now the connection drops are constant. |
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| 01:39.04 | SageTGreat | messageHi |
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| 03:06.01 | CeBe | hi, I am looking for a guide on creating debian packages for software that is not packaged yet (my own) but I only find guides on how to re-package existing packages. Can someone point me to the right place please? |
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| 03:06.49 | missmbob | CeBe: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ |
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| 03:07.18 | missmbob | CeBe: there's #debian-mentors on oftc if you want help |
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| 03:08.14 | CeBe | missmbob: thanks! |
| 03:08.19 | CeBe | missmbob: what is oftc? |
| 03:08.54 | missmbob | CeBe: irc.oftc.net |
| 03:09.24 | CeBe | cool, thanks! |
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| 03:13.20 | Kobaz | getting this on wheezy: openssl: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcrypto.so.1.0.0: version `OPENSSL_1.0.1s' not found (required by openssl) |
| 03:14.02 | themill | sounds a lot like mixing wheezy and jessie |
| 03:14.24 | Kobaz | mm |
| 03:14.24 | themill | (or possibly not installing the openssl updates in wheezy-lts) |
| 03:14.31 | Kobaz | well |
| 03:15.32 | Kobaz | apt-get install openssl/wheezy. all 0 |
| 03:15.39 | Kobaz | i did some googling |
| 03:15.50 | Kobaz | apt-get install libssl1.0.0=1.0.1e-2+deb7u20... downgrading |
| 03:15.57 | Kobaz | openssl works now |
| 03:16.32 | Kobaz | dpkg: warning: downgrading libssl1.0.0:amd64 from 1.0.1k-3+deb8u2 to 1.0.1e-2+deb7u20 |
| 03:16.32 | dpkg | kobaz: That isn't enough detail, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 03:18.26 | themill | forcing versions is never going to be a good idea. You might want some of those ssl security updates btw |
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| 03:18.58 | Kobaz | yeah |
| 03:19.04 | Kobaz | this box is going jessie soon anyway |
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| 03:39.42 | Kniaz | how do I search for an installed package name in Debian? |
| 03:40.12 | CeBe | Kniaz: dpkg -l gives a list of installed packages |
| 03:40.21 | Kniaz | thanks |
| 03:40.24 | CeBe | you can use grep to find yours |
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| 03:41.55 | Kniaz | one more question |
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| 03:42.46 | Kniaz | last week when I ran apt-get upgrade, during the upgrade i got a message about CA certificates. How can I find out which application caused it? |
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| 03:43.03 | Kniaz | Debian 8.3 to 8.7 upgraded |
| 03:43.49 | CeBe | that was probably ca-certificates |
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| 03:45.32 | Kniaz | safe to ignore? |
| 03:46.15 | CeBe | Kniaz: afair that was about removing some CAs and adding others |
| 03:46.39 | CeBe | so if you trust which CAs debian thinks can be trusted you can ignore the message. |
| 03:47.27 | CeBe | Kniaz: I think this is what you have seen: http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/c/ca-certificates/ca-certificates_20141019+deb8u2_changelog |
| 03:47.53 | themill | probably the NEWS file rather than the changelog although the contents are often similar |
| 03:48.15 | CeBe | themill: I do not know about that one, where is that located? |
| 03:48.33 | themill | /usr/share/doc/$package/NEWS.Debian{,.gz} |
| 03:49.01 | themill | that's the one that apt-listchanges is showing you unless you configure it otherwise |
| 03:49.18 | CeBe | good to know, thx |
| 03:49.30 | themill | (it's also in the same directory on metadata.f.d.o) |
| 03:51.08 | Kniaz | yeah 2.9 update |
| 03:52.25 | Kniaz | how can I get a verison of ca-certificates packages installed? |
| 03:52.28 | Kniaz | oh |
| 03:52.31 | Kniaz | i know |
| 03:52.40 | Kniaz | ca-certificates --version |
| 03:53.07 | Kniaz | hmm. that didn't work |
| 03:53.19 | CeBe | dpkg -l |grep ca-certificates |
| 03:53.20 | dpkg | ii |grep ca-certificates 3.3-3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 03:54.48 | Kniaz | ii ca-certificates 20141019+deb8u2 all Common CA certificates |
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| 03:54.53 | Kniaz | this is what I have |
| 03:54.56 | Kniaz | did not upgrade? |
| 03:56.03 | CeBe | that is the latest version as far as I see |
| 03:56.44 | CeBe | ,v ca-certificates |
| 03:56.45 | judd | Package: ca-certificates on amd64 -- wheezy: 20130119+deb7u1; jessie: 20141019+deb8u2; sid: 20161130; stretch: 20161130 |
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| 03:57.40 | Kniaz | ok |
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| 04:09.33 | jak2000 | hi friends... where configure reverse DNS? |
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| 04:11.56 | missmbob | jak2000: your isp does that |
| 04:13.22 | jak2000 | in my debian cant configure? |
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| 05:14.19 | awal1 | non debian request :P : how to disable youtube video annotations without registering account/when not logged? |
| 05:14.33 | Older_Dog | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:14.41 | awal1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:15.16 | missmbob | awal1: chrome extension Magic Actions for YouTube |
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| 05:16.09 | awal1 | missmbob, ok, thanks; I'll check if there is something for FF :P |
| 05:16.14 | newcoder | Debian Linux is installed in /dev/sda2 , how can I make it a live-linux.iso? Making livecd |
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| 05:16.41 | awal1 | I forgot, better using mpv :P |
| 05:17.14 | somiaj | newcoder: not that easily. Debian dose have live-build that in theory can build custom live images from package lists, but not many can seem to get it to work right. |
| 05:17.34 | somiaj | newcoder: some try to just copy the install the a usb drive and boot from the usb drive, though usb2 is very slow to use as the root fs of an install |
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| 07:42.43 | rapidshot64 | when will stretch be finally released? |
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| 07:46.10 | deitarion | What's the most foolproof way to programmatically check whether autoremove would remove anything? (I'm writing automated tests for a provisioning script) |
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| 07:53.13 | rjsalts | deitarion: -s, --simulate |
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| 08:05.07 | deitarion | I was more wondering about how to detect it. (ie. return code, grepping, etc.) |
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| 09:17.37 | aerth | if installing outside of $HOME |
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| 09:28.05 | anddam | hello |
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| 09:28.25 | anddam | I was trying to search only in a specific section with apt-cache, couldn't find a way from the man page |
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| 09:28.39 | anddam | can apt-cache search metadata or should I use aptitude instead? |
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| 09:30.08 | initial | hello |
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| 09:39.43 | danderson | Hi. Is there somewhere I can get the debian network installer images (http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/main/installer-amd64/current/images/) that's served over HTTPS? |
| 09:40.01 | danderson | all I've found so far is HTTP mirrors where the checksums are also served over HTTP, which is not great. |
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| 09:41.16 | jelly | danderson: checksums are pgp signed |
| 09:41.49 | jelly | verify the signature, and you can get the key fingerprint over https I think |
| 09:42.21 | danderson | jelly: Where? I don't see any PGP signatures on the mirror I linked. |
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| 09:45.49 | jelly | hmm |
| 09:46.01 | jelly | oh, you're looking at tftp stuff |
| 09:46.31 | danderson | yeah. https://www.debian.org/CD/verify suggests that signatures are only available for the CD/DVD files |
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| 09:47.15 | jelly | yeah, that looks like a bug |
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| 09:49.38 | jelly | danderson: https://wiki.debian.org/PXEBootInstall#Provide_the_boot_image |
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| 09:50.20 | jelly | so, signatures for signature files are in pgp-signed Release |
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| 09:50.32 | danderson | aha, it indirects through Release. Thanks! |
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| 10:01.30 | anddam | any hint about my apt-cache question? |
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| 10:05.01 | themill | anddam: aptitude can search by section or grep-dctrl; apt-cache can't |
| 10:06.25 | anddam | thanks |
| 10:07.01 | anddam | reading about grep-dctrl now |
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| 10:26.51 | anddam | themill: why isn't grep-available -P angry giving any result while apt-cache search --names-only angry does? |
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| 10:27.16 | anddam | those should be equivalent, frmo grep-dctrl man page EXAMPLES section |
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| 10:31.07 | themill | anddam: grep-aptavail and grep-available are oddly different things |
| 10:32.18 | themill | anddam: dpkg |
| 10:32.26 | anddam | themill: ok, but I'm talking about grep-available |
| 10:32.33 | themill | anddam: dpkg's 'available' file is not the list of packages that are available to be installed |
| 10:32.38 | themill | I know, and you should not be |
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| 10:32.45 | anddam | from grep-dctrl(1) |
| 10:32.47 | anddam | % grep-available -F Package -F Description foo |
| 10:32.49 | anddam | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:33.35 | anddam | I read that as they both should provide the same output, for same search argument |
| 10:34.08 | themill | same search but different database |
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| 10:34.45 | themill | I'm not claiming that these tools are easy to use... I normally swear quite a bit when trying to figure out a particular incantantion |
| 10:35.09 | anddam | the Arcane APT Sorcery |
| 10:35.16 | anddam | I'll just install aptitude, thanks |
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| 10:36.21 | themill | :) |
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| 10:40.19 | sqarzz | Hi guys, a question. During boot i do not get further then [ ok ] Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell server: sshd. This is on a debian wheezy. Any ideas how i could debug this? |
| 10:40.49 | sqarzz | I am guessing something goes wring during rc startup |
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| 10:41.51 | Iridos | Uh⦠but then I think "This kind of search is the exactly same that apt-cache does." is grossly misleading⦠|
| 10:42.12 | Iridos | if you get different results and use a different database, it's *not* "exactly" the same |
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| 10:42.38 | Iridos | uh⦠wheezy |
| 10:43.21 | petn-randall | sqarzz: What did you change in the startup process? |
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| 10:43.41 | petn-randall | sqarzz: If it's a blocking command in /etc/rc.local, you can probably just press ctrl + c to end it. |
| 10:43.49 | sqarzz | well i cannot |
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| 10:45.04 | sqarzz | didn't really change something. the only thing i changed was altering a line in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 10:45.12 | sqarzz | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:45.34 | sqarzz | but when rc is loading, this is past grub and mounting the encrypted drive.. |
| 10:46.19 | sqarzz | http://pastebin.com/464bMrcF |
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| 11:03.50 | jolt | maybe you can boot in single user? Or failing that init=/bin/bash? |
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| 11:17.35 | mxn- | Hi! I just figured out a strange issue, couldn't ssh into my server anymore - shells were set to /usr/bin/zsh, however apparently a zsh update moved the real shell to /bin/zsh, disabling ssh login :/ |
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| 11:17.41 | e1z0 | hi |
| 11:17.47 | mxn- | wonder if this is something i botched (this isnt debian stable) or if i should report a bug |
| 11:17.55 | e1z0 | is there any way to debug dhclient? |
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| 11:18.11 | e1z0 | it can't get ip address |
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| 11:18.40 | mxn- | e1z0: would suggest looking at the traffic with tcpdump or wireshark |
| 11:18.46 | sqarzz | i can boot using single mode however |
| 11:18.59 | sqarzz | @jolt |
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| 11:20.35 | e1z0 | ok |
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| 11:21.23 | sqarzz | any logs that can help me find out where my rc startup is failng? |
| 11:21.45 | mxn- | hm, there is something in zsh postinst that is supposed to put a symlink in /usr/bin/zsh.. weird |
| 11:22.17 | babilen | mxn-: I have that symlink on my box, not sure how you ended up without it |
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| 11:22.59 | mxn- | babilen: same on my other boxes too, strange strange |
| 11:24.00 | sqarzz | Feb 22 11:10:33 myhost sshd[2104]: Server listening on 0.0.0.0 port 22. |
| 11:24.00 | sqarzz | Feb 22 11:10:33 myhost sshd[2104]: Server listening on :: port 22. |
| 11:24.00 | sqarzz | Feb 22 11:14:23 myhost sshd[2104]: Received signal 15; terminating. |
| 11:24.15 | sqarzz | this is in my auth.log |
| 11:24.31 | sqarzz | so apparently the process is 'killed' |
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| 11:25.58 | mxn- | ok, after a zsh reinstall i get a symlink.. damn, i wish i knew what was wrong so it doesn't happen to me again |
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| 11:31.41 | pawiecki_ | I have a debian pc, with static IP and atcive isc-dhcp-server. When i connect my laptop and ssh onto it - it takes ~10 seconds. But i'm connected by single eth cable. What can cause that or how can i check it? |
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| 11:33.46 | spac3h | #linux |
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| 11:35.53 | n4dir | pawiecki_: i would add -v as an option to ssh (or more v's ). just an idea |
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| 11:50.04 | VOIPtUK | Anyone heard of YETI SBC / routing, wondering if its any good? |
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| 11:54.48 | jolt | pawiecki_: Probably that it cannot resolv the hostname of the laptop |
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| 11:56.08 | jolt | pawiecki_: When you login, check with "who" and see if it says your laptops hostname. If you don't have any set, either install and setup a resolver with a hook to dhcp-server, or simply add a hostname for the laptop to /etc/hosts |
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| 11:56.24 | jolt | pawiecki_: Or possibly read sshd_config on how to turn that stuff off. |
| 11:57.11 | pawiecki_ | jolt: thanks, i found that the most common reason is dns |
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| 11:58.22 | pawiecki_ | jolt: what is the "right" way to do here? |
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| 12:01.27 | n4dir | a ~/.ssh/config file has quite a few advantages, pawiecki_ |
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| 12:07.04 | jolt | pawiecki_: That depends. If it's only your laptop that is going to be the client, then I would add an entry to /etc/hosts. Just looks niftier in logs |
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| 12:07.51 | jolt | pawiecki_: But if you want to do this on a small office network, or just have another learning experience, then I would look into either doing isc-dhcp and hooks to bind. Or replace isc with dnsmasq if you want to keep it simple |
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| 12:09.56 | pawiecki_ | n4dir: i have it added to my local .ssh/config file, but the problem seems to be dns not configured properly |
| 12:10.19 | jolt | n4dir: This has to do with the server config, not the client config. |
| 12:10.21 | pawiecki_ | jolt: thanks, since i already have isc one, i'll try that |
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| 12:11.38 | n4dir | ah. |
| 12:12.23 | jolt | pawiecki_: https://wiki.debian.org/DDNS should probably give you some good pointers |
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| 12:25.42 | BluesKaj | Hi folks |
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| 12:29.47 | _Nox | Hello BluesKaj |
| 12:30.16 | BluesKaj | Hi _Nox |
| 12:30.31 | _Nox | ;-) |
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| 12:54.48 | Marethyu | Hi ! I installed Bumblebee from repository (as seen on https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee#From_repository ) but optirun isn't working. When I run "optirun glxgears", nothing happens and I have to kill it with Ctrl+C. I get this message : [WARN]Could not read data! Error: Bad file descriptor |
| 12:55.36 | Marethyu | Could someone help me, please ? I don't want to break Xorg by trying everything I find on Google... |
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| 13:18.50 | tw | After some extensive grep -RFli wicd, I found the autostart file in /etc/xdg/autostart/wicd-tray.desktop had to be removed. |
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| 13:24.04 | babilen | tw: Why do you have wics installed at all? |
| 13:24.11 | babilen | *wicd |
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| 13:31.30 | rafalcpp | would it be possible to update gcc compiler in debian stable more frequently? |
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| 13:34.18 | babilen | No, that would be against the definition of stable (i.e. "not changing") |
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| 13:36.24 | petn-randall | rafalcpp: No, stable doesn't get an feature updates. You can use backports for that. |
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| 13:37.35 | John___ | Hi, how can I use the OpenSans font in Debian? I've installed the package - https://packages.debian.org/sid/texlive-fonts-extra |
| 13:38.00 | John___ | but they don't appear under menus where I can select font. I'm using LXDE/Openbox. |
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| 13:42.58 | Chrismeister | Is it possible to force a specific screen resolution? |
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| 13:43.22 | Chrismeister | Same aspect ration and such but a couple of pixels smaller |
| 13:43.54 | Chrismeister | 1360x768 to 1020x576 to be exact |
| 13:44.33 | John___ | Chrismeister, what desktop environment? |
| 13:44.41 | Chrismeister | John___: lxde |
| 13:45.14 | John___ | Chrismeister, lxrandr |
| 13:45.49 | Chrismeister | xrandr complains that it can't find mode. |
| 13:45.55 | Chrismeister | John___: okey, i'll check it |
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| 13:46.42 | John___ | Chrismeister, ehh, it'll probably behave the same with lxrandr then. it's probably an Xorg thing. |
| 13:47.10 | John___ | might want to check the settings there, but I don't know much about the godforsaken display server. |
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| 13:47.42 | John___ | Chrismeister, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/xorg#Getting_started |
| 13:47.52 | John___ | here's a good place to start, you can change the monitor.conf |
| 13:47.59 | Chrismeister | John___: Okey, thx |
| 13:48.02 | John___ | with Modes and Depth. |
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| 13:48.38 | John___ | that was not spam... but ok. |
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| 13:49.25 | qqx | John___: It wasn't claimed to be spam. But it *was* flooding the channel. |
| 13:49.40 | John___ | qqx, fair. |
| 13:50.19 | rafalcpp | John___: on IRC do not paste more then 1, maaybe 2-3 lines. use pastebin |
| 13:50.38 | rafalcpp | petn-randall: that really sucks, and makes debian sucky platform to support |
| 13:51.01 | John___ | ok, but they were 4. maybe set the limit to 5? ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 13:51.11 | rafalcpp | maybe that rule should be revisited, or there sould be mini-stable releases that just update very crucial stuff (web browser, main compilers, maybe few libs |
| 13:52.40 | baum | rafalcpp: well, there is backports |
| 13:52.59 | rafalcpp | baum: doesn't help for ordinary users |
| 13:53.11 | rafalcpp | now all new software that is written have two options: |
| 13:53.13 | rafalcpp | a) fuck debian |
| 13:53.15 | baum | rafalcpp: ordinary users shouldn't go with stable |
| 13:53.20 | rafalcpp | b) -or- use 3 years old compiler/language |
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| 13:53.53 | rafalcpp | because software vendor not supporting default compiler on debian stable is basically showing the middle finger to most users of distro |
| 13:54.25 | tw | babilen: Mostly because I didn't uninstall it after it was installed by default. |
| 13:54.25 | John___ | I'll actually laugh if xrandr actually modifies the xorg monitor.conf file |
| 13:54.26 | rafalcpp | (that is for software not yet packaged, that users will build from source often). |
| 13:54.34 | John___ | in which case my advice was useless. |
| 13:54.51 | baum | rafalcpp: ordinary users won't build from source... |
| 13:55.08 | rafalcpp | baum: orderinary users should not use stable? then what? |
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| 13:55.18 | baum | rafalcpp: testing |
| 13:55.20 | John___ | rafalcpp, probably he suggests testing. |
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| 13:55.35 | baum | rafalcpp: assuming you want to run it as a desktop |
| 13:55.37 | rafalcpp | and then they come here for qeustions re testing just to find out it's not supported |
| 13:55.37 | John___ | baum, I don't really agree. define an ordinary user first. |
| 13:56.28 | rafalcpp | baum: git clone + ./build is fine for ordinary user. ok providing prepackaged .deb is also an option. |
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| 13:56.49 | baum | John___: ordinary user = someone who doesn't bother reading into the system/ doesn't bother checking out backports |
| 13:57.03 | rafalcpp | but then it's showing midfinger to the a bit more advanced "let's build from source" users of debian, that thought don't want to backports/testing as it's breaking more |
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| 13:57.31 | baum | rafalcpp: "then they came here for qeustions re testing" ? |
| 13:57.47 | rafalcpp | baum: using testing/backports is quite discouraged imo, as in it's not so well supported. Isn't it also getting less coverage by security team |
| 13:57.47 | John___ | baum, so the kind of user that expects complete userfriendliness? how can you suggest testing for that? if things break, how do you expect them to fix it? |
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| 13:58.01 | babilen | tw: I'd just purge it in that case |
| 13:58.21 | baum | John___: testing rarley breaks - the user breaking something is probably a bigger risk here |
| 13:58.22 | rafalcpp | baum: standard reply to questions on #debian regarding using testing, seems to be that "you should not had used tesrting, now you're on your own" |
| 13:59.15 | John___ | I'd only suggest testing to someone who knows overall what they are doing. |
| 13:59.18 | tw | babilen: I thought about it, but it's convenient to keep my package list exactly in sync between my laptop and my workstation. That way my environment stays almost exactly the same, even on the less capable system where I do use wicd. |
| 13:59.21 | John___ | Otherwise, stay on stable. |
| 13:59.22 | baum | rafalcpp: if i recall it right there's a dedicated irc channel to testing |
| 14:00.13 | John___ | I stay on stable because of the lack of bugs I encounter. |
| 14:00.24 | John___ | And backport things I need more upstream. |
| 14:00.36 | baum | John___: in my experience such people broke their system more ofthen running stable - while trying to get some new software to run (though it's only a small sampleset - probably not representative) |
| 14:00.40 | petn-randall | rafalcpp: There are so many falsehoods in what you said, I don't even know where to start. |
| 14:01.12 | John___ | baum, oh, those kind of scenarios. |
| 14:01.24 | petn-randall | rafalcpp: Testing *does* have IRC support, you just have to go to the right channel. And you know which it is, we've already sent you there several times. |
| 14:01.25 | John___ | baum, I see, well in those cases, I agree. |
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| 14:02.17 | petn-randall | rafalcpp: ordinary users don't care that you want newer compilers. If you need them, take them from backports. No need to force other users to upgrade just because you want them. |
| 14:02.28 | baum | rafalcpp: by doing your proposed updates stable wouldn't be stable anymore~ |
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| 14:02.54 | rafalcpp | petn-randall: users that are building from source. the open source way |
| 14:03.11 | tw | I'm a little confused why the compiler version makes such a big different. Do you need C++17? Are there actual defects in the compiler that maybe should be patched? |
| 14:03.36 | {0}_{0} | C++17 |
| 14:03.37 | John___ | tw, libraries |
| 14:03.37 | petn-randall | rafalcpp: And there are rollups for Debian stable, they're called debian-updates. But switching to a new compiler with 40,000+ packages will probably break more software than it would do good. |
| 14:03.47 | rafalcpp | many users, also server admins, are a bit uneasy about idea to use non standard repos like backports, or testing distro. Maybe it's less common issue then I think |
| 14:04.06 | John___ | tw, libraries compiled with previous versions and/or different versions will have trouble being linked/run under programs compiled under different versions, usually. |
| 14:04.10 | rafalcpp | tw: gcc 4.9 in stable doesn't even support c++14 fully |
| 14:04.21 | petn-randall | rafalcpp: Mixing stable and testing is not supported. Using backports is. Quite simple stuff. |
| 14:04.32 | tw | John___: Sure, I get that, but if it's build-from-source anyway, I would hope that is not an issue. |
| 14:04.33 | babilen | tw: Fair enough, but I try to keep my system(s) as minimal as possible. I also gave up on wicd ages ago |
| 14:04.33 | petn-randall | rafalcpp: So what? |
| 14:04.41 | {0}_{0} | gcc-6 isnt in backports |
| 14:05.09 | rafalcpp | yeap c++17 would be even nicer, but current we don't even get full c++14 |
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| 14:05.59 | rafalcpp | petn-randall: the questions is, as upstream can I switch to C++14 now. This means all the users that are on debian stable, will have to start using backports if they want to build from source code instead using provided .deb / .tar.gz |
| 14:06.01 | TomTomTosch | very few projects target newer gcc features than available in stable. and if you need it, it's better to build in a separate build environment anyway. |
| 14:06.02 | petn-randall | rafalcpp: If you're using anything newer than that, you only supporting a small percentile of stable Linux installations, anyway. Have a look at gcc in Redhat/CentOS/etc. |
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| 14:06.57 | baum | rafalcpp: how about creating a section in your readme on how to get your build-requirements? |
| 14:07.06 | petn-randall | rafalcpp: If you want to use the newest stuff, you can't support all stable distros at the same time. |
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| 14:07.11 | petn-randall | !sns |
| 14:07.11 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 14:07.52 | rafalcpp | baum: no problem. But how many users will refuse to do that because they view backports as less table |
| 14:08.15 | rafalcpp | ok maybe my assumption was wrong, to clarify: is debian stable with backports fully supported (as well as debian stable)? |
| 14:08.22 | baum | rafalcpp: if you view it as less stable you won't run soemthing non-stable compiled from source anyways |
| 14:08.53 | tw | In fairness, the C++ threading stuff makes multiplatform support really straightforward, but I can wait for it to mature a little. |
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| 14:09.00 | tw | (re: NSN) |
| 14:09.01 | rafalcpp | baum: it's just one packet, and affecting one system user (if installed locally not as root) |
| 14:09.04 | tw | *(SNS) |
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| 14:09.38 | baum | rafalcpp: it's a lot of packets - simply for consistency |
| 14:09.52 | baum | rafalcpp: you even named multiple ones |
| 14:10.18 | rafalcpp | is debian stable + backports supported and expected to be as good, as pure debian stable? |
| 14:10.43 | baum | rafalcpp: if so, what would be the point of stable (alone)? |
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| 14:11.32 | rafalcpp | baum: maybe just philosophy if someone prefers to use old software (for interoperation, contractual reasons)? dunno, I'm asking :) |
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| 14:12.14 | baum | rafalcpp: guess in this case it'd be called debian-retro |
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| 14:12.21 | rafalcpp | what do you use on your server,desktop, what do users use? stable, stable+back, testing? |
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| 14:12.33 | cantus | Will Thunderbird be in Jessie or Stretch? |
| 14:12.34 | petn-randall | rafalcpp: It's supported, it's not expected to be as stable, since longer tested software tends to be more stable. |
| 14:12.36 | rafalcpp | debian stable everywhere; mint on some desktops |
| 14:13.06 | rafalcpp | (and stable+backports in fact on 1 server where that was needed dep) |
| 14:13.18 | baum | rafalcpp: isn't mint a fork of debian-testing? |
| 14:13.27 | rafalcpp | baum: afair yes |
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| 14:15.21 | rafalcpp | petn-randall: "But switching to a new compiler with 40,000+ packages will probably break more software than it would do good." - actually gcc, clang, and in generall C++ should be FULLY compatible |
| 14:15.38 | rafalcpp | some software would probably require adding --std=c++11 to compiler flag and that's all |
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| 14:16.14 | rafalcpp | unlike switching some other libraries that do change API and don't have any way to use old one |
| 14:16.21 | petn-randall | rafalcpp: Feel free to make a fork and support that. |
| 14:16.22 | petn-randall | !next |
| 14:16.23 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 14:17.01 | rafalcpp | petn-randall: funny, alone I can't. But maybe it's a worth while goal to consider by community |
| 14:17.03 | baum | !man |
| 14:17.04 | dpkg | it has been said that man is a little guy that knows everything about Linux... just do "man commandname" and he will teach you all about commandname. You can search for the appropriate man page with "apropos term". Enable <tab completion> in your shell to fill in the man page names. Man pages are available online too, ask me about <dmp>. See also <docs> <grounding>. |
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| 14:17.42 | baum | how does one get a cmdlist for the dpkg bot? |
| 14:17.45 | petn-randall | rafalcpp: Then why do you expect other people to do that job for you? |
| 14:17.56 | petn-randall | baum: /query dpkg help |
| 14:18.00 | baum | thx |
| 14:18.14 | rafalcpp | petn-randall: because newer compiler could be beneficial for many tasks in debian |
| 14:18.47 | petn-randall | rafalcpp: Did you do any research if that question has come up before and been discussed? |
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| 14:18.59 | baum | rafalcpp: you are using debian / in the debian irc channel. this makes you a part of the community - just saying |
| 14:19.12 | rafalcpp | petn-randall: sure. there were some ideas of rolling debian releases. and idea to "just release more often" |
| 14:19.53 | rafalcpp | but what about updating only at least compilers, which sould be far easier then updating entire libs or programs because of --std=c++11 switches |
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| 14:21.10 | rafalcpp | main benefit would be for users that want to use opensource that is too old in debian, by building it from source, |
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| 14:21.17 | petn-randall | rafalcpp: As I said, did you do any research if that question has come up before and been discussed? |
| 14:21.55 | baum | rafalcpp: what if a compiler breaks backwards compatibility? |
| 14:24.44 | rafalcpp | baum: it can not, unless there is a new bug in compiler |
| 14:25.26 | rafalcpp | if that would happen then another stable version of gcc should be picked (or wait until it comes around) |
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| 14:26.12 | baum | rafalcpp: also, what qualifys a compiler to be update-worthy? would i be able to hot-patch my own compiler? |
| 14:26.49 | baum | rafalcpp: how do you know if it's stable without having enoth time to test it? |
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| 14:28.24 | rafalcpp | baum: I would propose: around each 6 months, take current stable gcc, use it to rebuild entire stable debian. If anything fails (and just adding --std doesn't help) then it's gcc bug, report it, wait for nest stable gcc that fixes it |
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| 14:28.54 | baum | rafalcpp: why gcc? what about other compilers? |
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| 14:29.50 | gedas | Hello. Who is using Domino Notes and Traveler?? Need help with it |
| 14:30.00 | petn-randall | Can we call it rafalcppian? |
| 14:30.04 | rafalcpp | baum: gcc/g++, and clang/clang++, afair cover vast majority of software in debian, and also are the thing that causes trouble when building external software from source. (Maybe also java) |
| 14:30.17 | petn-randall | gedas: Ask your real question. |
| 14:30.33 | rafalcpp | petn-randall: or notdamnoldian |
| 14:31.09 | baum | rafalcpp: i usually have bigger troubles with python - also i'd want e.g. ghc to be on it's newest version |
| 14:31.17 | gedas | After traveler update it returns error: Http Status Code: 404 Reason: File not found or unable to read file. Have someone know what to do? |
| 14:31.20 | petn-randall | rafalcpp: It's open source! You can always make a fork if you don't like it and are not willing to fix it within Debian. |
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| 14:31.47 | rafalcpp | software is so old -> it's not even in backports -> omg can't even build it from source --- seems to me to be one of major problems with Debian. Dunno just proposing some idea to maybe improve this |
| 14:32.02 | baum | rafalcpp: thinking of it - i'm not running java on my current system atall |
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| 14:32.32 | rafalcpp | petn-randall: yeah. If I don't find people that like this idea as well, then it's not going to fly, so Im asking community |
| 14:32.38 | baum | rafalcpp: simple fix: backport your dependencies |
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| 14:32.44 | petn-randall | rafalcpp: Time to stop talking and then actually do it. You've been complaining about it for so long, you could have spent that time so much better. |
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| 14:34.54 | baum | rafalcpp: another option: supply a installer-script which downloads the compiler of your choice |
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| 15:08.54 | ar1el | someone haves a video card hybrid nvidia + intel (notebook) works in debian ? |
| 15:08.56 | ar1el | without optirun |
| 15:09.08 | ar1el | i wanna to work like in ubuntu ... :/ |
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| 15:09.39 | ar1el | but i don't like using ubuntu... |
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| 15:13.26 | petn-randall | ar1el: Better ask your real question. |
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| 15:14.19 | ar1el | when i install the nvidia driver 375-xx or whatever, the Xorg stop works. |
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| 15:14.52 | ar1el | I've ajusted nouveau driver in blacklist |
| 15:14.54 | ar1el | modeset=0 |
| 15:14.58 | ar1el | etc. etc.. |
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| 15:15.03 | ar1el | but don't work |
| 15:15.18 | veek | is there a way to safely use an untrusted package repo by verifying the developer signature and the sig on the pkg |
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| 15:15.41 | ar1el | i've installed from the repo too |
| 15:15.45 | ar1el | and nothing.. |
| 15:15.59 | veek | the unknown repos are fast |
| 15:16.18 | ar1el | funny that ubuntu works perfectly |
| 15:16.19 | ar1el | :/ |
| 15:16.25 | petn-randall | veek: What do you mean with "unknown repo"? Is it a mirror, or a 3rd party repo? |
| 15:16.38 | veek | mirror |
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| 15:16.53 | petn-randall | veek: Then it's already being verified by apt. |
| 15:16.55 | veek | but it's unknown in the sense.. not known to me.. |
| 15:17.03 | ar1el | someone haves nvidia driver works with great fps in ubuntu ? |
| 15:17.03 | veek | how does apt verify the repo? |
| 15:17.06 | ar1el | mine is 920M |
| 15:17.17 | veek | Releases.gpg? |
| 15:17.17 | petn-randall | veek: GPG signatures on the release files. |
| 15:17.19 | ar1el | but he is work nouveau driver |
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| 15:17.28 | petn-randall | !secure apt |
| 15:17.29 | dpkg | [apt-secure] Starting with version 0.6, <APT> performs signature checking of the Release file for all archives. See http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt , "man apt-secure" and chapter 7 of the Securing Debian Manual (ask me about <securing debian>) for more information. The archive signing key can be found at https://ftp-master.debian.org/keys.html . See also <key>, <no public key>. |
| 15:17.32 | petn-randall | veek: ^^^ |
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| 15:17.57 | petn-randall | veek: If you get verification errors it's probably not a good mirror. |
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| 15:19.00 | ar1el | glx libs incompatible with nvidia-driver? |
| 15:19.07 | ar1el | i don't know more what to do.. |
| 15:19.22 | veek | petn-randall, ah but isn't possible for the repo to be malicious from birth.. (i'm just curious) as in.. is there a way to confirm random packages against the devloper sig |
| 15:19.45 | petn-randall | veek: From birth? |
| 15:19.54 | petn-randall | veek: The signature would still fail. |
| 15:20.09 | petn-randall | veek: The private key is not shared between mirrors, they only mirror the data. |
| 15:20.28 | veek | petn-randall, as in lets say they went through the verification process and then turned bitter and evil |
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| 15:22.24 | veek | ah! but the releases file points to the sha hashes and what apt-secure does is validate the releases file by download the repo public key - what if an evil repo sticks an evil pkg and signs the releases file |
| 15:23.10 | veek | releases only has the file hash to validate the download was not corrupt .. |
| 15:23.40 | veek | is there a way to validate against the devoloper public key |
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| 15:24.13 | veek | actually maintainer public key |
| 15:25.25 | veek | that's pretty much the holy grail of security :p |
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| 15:26.14 | petn-randall | veek: ... it's already being done? |
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| 15:27.16 | petn-randall | veek: There is no "repo public key". The mirror doesn't sign anything, nor can they. If they'd sign the repo with their own key, it would be rejected by apt since the key isn't trusted. |
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| 15:31.28 | veek | ah hmm.. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CreateAuthenticatedRepository Export your public key that was generated to a text file and store it in the root of the repository: sudo gpg --output keyFile --armor --export 041DA354 Sign the packages with your key. sudo dpkg-sig --sign builder file1.deb |
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| 15:33.22 | NapoleonWils0n | any way to install the proper version of mutt not the neomutt which is broken |
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| 15:34.07 | greycat | huh? |
| 15:34.19 | NapoleonWils0n | mutt isnt mutt on debian its neomutt |
| 15:34.29 | NapoleonWils0n | and neomutt keybinding are broken |
| 15:34.34 | jelly | ,v neomutt |
| 15:34.35 | judd | No package named 'neomutt' was found in amd64. |
| 15:34.58 | NapoleonWils0n | its called mutt but its not mutt its neomutt |
| 15:35.09 | NapoleonWils0n | mutt != neomutt |
| 15:35.19 | greycat | copyright says it's from ftp://ftp.mutt.org/mutt/devel/ |
| 15:35.28 | jelly | NapoleonWils0n: are you talking about package mutt, or about package mutt-patched? |
| 15:35.39 | jelly | NapoleonWils0n: which debian release and which package version? |
| 15:35.40 | greycat | I don't know what your "neomutt" means, or what URLs you are talking about, or anything at all. You are being really vague and weird. |
| 15:35.41 | NapoleonWils0n | mutt that gets installed by defauly |
| 15:35.53 | jelly | NapoleonWils0n: which debian release and which package version? |
| 15:35.55 | NapoleonWils0n | https://www.neomutt.org/ |
| 15:36.25 | jelly | there are some patches even in default mutt, but not very many |
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| 15:36.37 | NapoleonWils0n | running sid and mutt is installed by default, except its not mutt but a basterized version called neomutt |
| 15:36.43 | themill | didn't we go through this yesterday? |
| 15:37.08 | greycat | Why the fuck are you asking SID questions, anywhere, but most of all HERE? |
| 15:37.12 | greycat | ,v mutt |
| 15:37.13 | judd | Package: mutt on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.5.21-6.2+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 1.5.21-6.2+deb7u3; jessie: 1.5.23-3; sid: 1.7.2-1; stretch: 1.7.2-1 |
| 15:37.30 | greycat | OK, that makes zero sense. Same as stretch, and stretch's copyright file says mutt.org |
| 15:37.46 | NapoleonWils0n | i know thats why it confusing |
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| 15:38.04 | NapoleonWils0n | but as soon as you open mutt on debian check the statusbar and youll see its neomutt |
| 15:38.23 | NapoleonWils0n | like asking for coke and getting pepsi |
| 15:38.30 | themill | neomutt is just a different name for a pile of patches everyone had been applying to mutt for a decade |
| 15:38.52 | NapoleonWils0n | great except the keybinding are broken |
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| 15:39.04 | themill | bug number? |
| 15:39.12 | tomcres | so, um. report the broken keybindings as a bug? |
| 15:39.28 | jelly | NapoleonWils0n: if you're using sid, please check the BTS and file a bug report if not present already |
| 15:40.22 | jelly | tbh it's a bigger pile of patches than it used to be |
| 15:40.25 | jelly | -rw-r--r-- 1 jelly src 129328 Dec 4 2014 mutt_1.5.23-3.debian.tar.xz |
| 15:40.25 | jelly | -rw-r--r-- 1 jelly src 937396 Jan 20 23:22 mutt_1.7.2-1.debian.tar.xz |
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| 15:41.11 | NapoleonWils0n | but the problem is there is documentation for mutt, but non for whatever patches neomutt uses |
| 15:41.39 | jelly | yeah, well, you're using sid, please help fixing this problem |
| 15:41.49 | NapoleonWils0n | so when you go to set up mutt on debian, with you muttrc that works on every other version of linux and bsd it doesnt work |
| 15:41.49 | greycat | opens mutt on stretch which is the same as sid, and the first few key bindings I tried worked as expected |
| 15:42.06 | greycat | What specific key, in what context? |
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| 15:42.30 | NapoleonWils0n | bind pager j next-line |
| 15:42.36 | NapoleonWils0n | bind pager k previous-line |
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| 15:42.48 | NapoleonWils0n | wont let me use vim keybindings |
| 15:42.49 | frosite | im working on backport a software from sid: https://packages.debian.org/sid/handbrake to debian jessie x64 stable. i have added the "deb-src sid main" << only in sources.list but when i run fakeroot debian/rules binary the terminal gives: https://paste.debian.net/916227/ ? what am i doing rong here? |
| 15:42.58 | greycat | Damn, I don't have any emails big enough to need a pager on that box... |
| 15:43.04 | jelly | those wfm in pager on stretch |
| 15:43.24 | greycat | Or is pager the list of emails, rather than reading an individual email? j and k work in the index screen. |
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| 15:43.36 | greycat | Was like the first thing I pressed. |
| 15:43.44 | jelly | j, k work in both pager and index for me |
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| 15:43.55 | NapoleonWils0n | weird thing is other keymaping i have like gg work fine |
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| 15:44.39 | DammitJim | the debian-sys-maint user that gets created when installing mysql... does it automatically get grants to ALL PRIVILEGES? |
| 15:44.40 | NapoleonWils0n | exactly the same set up on debian as arch, all same config files |
| 15:44.49 | jelly | but I had those bindings in my own muttrc |
| 15:44.52 | jelly | bind pager j next-line |
| 15:44.52 | jelly | bind pager k previous-line |
| 15:45.08 | NapoleonWils0n | only difference is neomutt on debian and real mutt on arch |
| 15:45.17 | veek | petn-randall, 'Not all apt repository keys are signed at all by another key. Maybe the person setting up the repository doesn't have another key, or maybe they don't feel comfortable signing such a role key with their main key.)' also this link http://askubuntu.com/questions/131397/what-is-a-repository-key-under-ubuntu-and-how-do-they-work |
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| 15:45.28 | NapoleonWils0n | my muttrc even worked on freebsd |
| 15:45.32 | veek | i don't understand it though.. |
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| 15:45.46 | jelly | NapoleonWils0n: wfm with older ii mutt 1.7.1-5 i386 text-based mailreader supporting MIME, GPG, PGP and threading |
| 15:46.00 | jelly | did not patch up this system in a couple weeks |
| 15:46.30 | jelly | NapoleonWils0n: is your muttrc in ~/.muttrc or ~/.mutt/muttrc or where? |
| 15:46.36 | NapoleonWils0n | ~/.muttrc |
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| 15:46.54 | NapoleonWils0n | it connects to my gmail fine |
| 15:47.13 | NapoleonWils0n | just the keybindings for j k dont work |
| 15:47.18 | jelly | NapoleonWils0n: when you press ? in pager, do you see those two bindings? |
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| 15:47.30 | NapoleonWils0n | no those bindings arent listed |
| 15:47.50 | NapoleonWils0n | but then they are listed when they are working on other distros either |
| 15:47.54 | greycat | Oh, pager is when you press "?"? That all works for me as expected. Even if I put those two explicit bind lines in ~/.muttrc it still works. |
| 15:48.19 | jelly | greycat: ? gives a list of bindings in any given context |
| 15:48.20 | NapoleonWils0n | so when you ? j and k arent mapped to next and previous line |
| 15:48.31 | jelly | and pager is, yes, viewing a message |
| 15:48.35 | NapoleonWils0n | up and down keys dont work either |
| 15:48.39 | greycat | I'm trying to duplicate his bug report, and I cannot duplicate it. |
| 15:48.52 | jelly | NapoleonWils0n: so something unbinds them, I guess |
| 15:48.58 | NapoleonWils0n | so cant move up or down in neomutt at all |
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| 15:49.29 | greycat | If I put the two bind lines in ~/.muttrc and then run mutt and enter an individual message and press "?" then j and k work as expected. |
| 15:49.31 | NapoleonWils0n | yes exactly some patch that has been added with neomutt breaks muttrc |
| 15:49.52 | jelly | I'm not asking whether they work in "?", but if they're _listed_ |
| 15:49.52 | greycat | And I am on latest stretch mutt which calls itself "NeoMutt" in an obscure place I had never looked before. |
| 15:49.57 | NapoleonWils0n | also has /etc/Muttrc file and /etc/Muttrc.d dir |
| 15:50.00 | greycat | ii mutt 1.7.2-1 amd64 text-based mailreader supporting |
| 15:50.05 | NapoleonWils0n | never seen that before with mutt |
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| 15:50.22 | greycat | jelly: If I have them in ~/.muttrc then they are listed and they work. |
| 15:50.23 | NapoleonWils0n | also a load of .rc config files in /etc/Muttrc.d |
| 15:50.26 | jelly | nod |
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| 15:51.39 | DammitJim | this is not a direct mysql question, but does the debian-sys-maint user normally show up in show grants? |
| 15:52.09 | NapoleonWils0n | may have to find another distro that doent basterdize upstream packages |
| 15:52.14 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: Should be in the tables. |
| 15:52.31 | DammitJim | I can find it in SELECT * FROM mysql.user; |
| 15:52.34 | DammitJim | but not in: show grants; |
| 15:52.45 | DammitJim | oh dammit |
| 15:52.48 | DammitJim | wrong query! |
| 15:52.49 | DammitJim | thank you! |
| 15:53.16 | greycat | NapoleonWils0n: if you can describe a way to reproduce the problem, please file a bug report so it can get fixed. |
| 15:53.17 | DammitJim | for some reason, the privileges changed for that user |
| 15:54.02 | NapoleonWils0n | greycat fresh install of debian installs neomutt, add your ~/.muttrc and the keybinding dont work |
| 15:54.24 | jelly | NapoleonWils0n: mine do! |
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| 15:54.52 | jelly | NapoleonWils0n: can you isolate and provide a minimal muttrc? |
| 15:55.15 | greycat | NapoleonWils0n: neither of us can reproduce your error. Tell us exactly what to put in ~/.muttrc to make the problem happen. |
| 15:55.21 | NapoleonWils0n | my muttrc |
| 15:55.23 | NapoleonWils0n | https://github.com/NapoleonWils0n/dotfiles/blob/master/.muttrc |
| 15:55.59 | NapoleonWils0n | this works: bind index gg first-entry |
| 15:56.13 | NapoleonWils0n | bind pager k previous-line and bind pager j next-line dont work |
| 15:56.21 | NapoleonWils0n | did see this: https://github.com/neomutt/neomutt/issues/56 |
| 15:56.27 | greycat | They work for me if they are the only two lines in .muttrc |
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| 15:57.10 | themill | frosite: it builds just fine for me, but I'd build with dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 15:57.39 | petn-randall | veek: I don't know where you're quoting this from, but random sites are probably not a good source for such information. A good starting point is here: https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.package-authentication.html |
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| 15:58.24 | greycat | They also work for me if I copy the 6 bind lines from page 5/9 of your muttrc as displayed by elinks |
| 15:58.49 | jelly | greycat: you can download raw file from https://raw.githubusercontent.com/NapoleonWils0n/dotfiles/master/.muttrc |
| 15:59.08 | themill | veek: developer signatures are not a good starting point for package authentication for the end user; signed Release files are. |
| 15:59.29 | greycat | Gah. If I download that with wget and fire up mutt, it wants me to type someone's password.... |
| 15:59.52 | greycat | And it's GREEN ON FUCKING WHITE. And it says "no mailbox". |
| 16:00.12 | NapoleonWils0n | if i try my arch version of muttrc key bindings work |
| 16:00.14 | greycat | NapoleonWils0n: you're going to have to provide a MINIMAL example that reproduces the problem. |
| 16:00.29 | NapoleonWils0n | https://github.com/NapoleonWils0n/arch-dotfiles/blob/master/.muttrc |
| 16:01.07 | themill | NapoleonWils0n: that's about 115 lines longer than "minimal" |
| 16:01.09 | greycat | Something with just bind lines, no changes to where the mailbox is. |
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| 16:02.12 | greycat | OK, commenting out a shitload of lines I can make it start up and load my mailbox. But the cursor is invisible (white on white?) so I can't tell what message I'm on until it says "You are on the last message." when I press j |
| 16:02.40 | greycat | Then space to enter a message, and ? to enter the help pager, and j and k work as expected. |
| 16:02.48 | NapoleonWils0n | thats weird only difference between the 2 muttrc is some color difference |
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| 16:03.14 | greycat | I *still* cannot reproduce your problem even with your entire .muttrc (minus a dozen lines about where things are) |
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| 16:03.30 | NapoleonWils0n | its the colors in the muttrc that break the j and k keybidings |
| 16:03.33 | jelly | NapoleonWils0n: your colors are strange, but your muttrc works with a fresh user after purging and installing mutt |
| 16:03.38 | greycat | I did not touch your colors. |
| 16:03.44 | NapoleonWils0n | only differeence between the 2 files |
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| 16:04.04 | jelly | NapoleonWils0n: selected message in index is invisibl |
| 16:04.12 | greycat | I commented out "set from" and "set realname" and "set imap_user" and "set smtp_url" and so on down to "set mailcap_path" |
| 16:04.37 | jelly | and personalized gpg stuff on the bottom |
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| 16:05.28 | NapoleonWils0n | its the colors that seem to be the issue, go figure |
| 16:05.31 | DammitJim | how do I fix my debian-sys-maint user in mysql? |
| 16:05.37 | DammitJim | I don't understand what happened to it |
| 16:05.59 | DammitJim | can I just drop it and create it/grant stuff to it? |
| 16:06.03 | DammitJim | or is there a utility to fix this? |
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| 16:08.53 | NapoleonWils0n | commented out colors on line 6 - 20 and keybinding work, just look fucking awful |
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| 16:09.49 | Iridos | maybe you have some typo/syntax error, that stops parsing the rest of the file |
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| 16:10.23 | greycat | Can I just delete this .muttrc now? I don't want it around any more. |
| 16:10.39 | greycat | Not that I ever really use mutt on that stretch box, but still. |
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| 16:10.53 | jelly | greycat: you didn't run all of this in a safe sandbox?!?!? |
| 16:11.01 | Iridos | uh, there's no colors in 6-20? |
| 16:11.04 | jelly | shame |
| 16:11.30 | Iridos | "mark all messages as read" was a trojan macro |
| 16:11.37 | greycat | There's no mail that I care about on this box. Just 3 random things, good enough to test that mutt works. |
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| 16:13.03 | jelly | NapoleonWils0n: for me, the keybindings worked but the result was not immediately visible in index |
| 16:13.10 | NapoleonWils0n | this is the line that causes the error |
| 16:13.12 | NapoleonWils0n | color indicator default default |
| 16:13.39 | NapoleonWils0n | soon as i add that line mutt locks up and j and k and up and down dont work |
| 16:14.06 | NapoleonWils0n | bizaree |
| 16:14.12 | greycat | Maybe some really strange interaction with your terminal? |
| 16:14.17 | greycat | I tested in urxvt. |
| 16:14.45 | NapoleonWils0n | yes im using rxvt-256colors |
| 16:14.47 | greycat | And my results were the same as jelly's. |
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| 16:15.22 | NapoleonWils0n | wouldnt have thought color settings would stop key bindings working |
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| 16:15.55 | NapoleonWils0n | thanks guys, at least i have mutt working again |
| 16:15.57 | jelly | NapoleonWils0n: maybe it just makes the selected line invisible but it still works |
| 16:16.20 | NapoleonWils0n | although color scheme is a little odd, but it works |
| 16:16.50 | jelly | eg. in a large mailbox, press j and keep it autorepeating, and eventually mutt shows the next page |
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| 16:16.58 | NapoleonWils0n | yes you are right mate |
| 16:17.05 | NapoleonWils0n | make the line invisible |
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| 16:17.16 | jelly | but that's not "pager" context, that's "index" |
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| 16:18.18 | NapoleonWils0n | changed to: color indicator black green |
| 16:18.28 | NapoleonWils0n | all good now |
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| 16:18.45 | NapoleonWils0n | must be some mad color issue |
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| 16:19.14 | NapoleonWils0n | thought i was going bonkers, which is a real possibility |
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| 16:20.08 | jelly | userdel -r testni |
| 16:20.34 | jelly | !next |
| 16:20.34 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 16:21.52 | veek | petn-randall, thanks - just checked the ftp.nl.debian.org_debian_dists_stable_Release.gpg and it's signed by Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (7.0/wheezy) |
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| 16:22.28 | Dreaman | how to use full hd in my debian radeon free driver |
| 16:22.45 | Dreaman | 100 time i ask |
| 16:23.20 | towo` | install firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 16:23.38 | Dreaman | link pakets |
| 16:23.49 | towo` | no link needed |
| 16:23.50 | Dreaman | repo |
| 16:23.56 | towo` | !non-free |
| 16:23.56 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 16:24.01 | towo` | learn the basics |
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| 16:24.34 | greycat | Change "main" to "main contrib non-free" unless that has already been done. Then apt-get update, then apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree |
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| 16:26.53 | tehmartian | oh hello |
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| 16:28.08 | dannyLopez | o/ tehmartian |
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| 16:32.38 | Dreaman | how to use full hd in free radeon driver card is 4830 le |
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| 16:33.55 | towo` | install firmware-linux-nonfree (again and again and again) |
| 16:34.02 | Dreaman | i use triple boot win 10 debian and ubuntu |
| 16:34.12 | Dreaman | reboot and no see |
| 16:34.16 | radw62 | hello, I found that debian only show terminal on desktop |
| 16:34.22 | Dreaman | comands |
| 16:34.27 | radw62 | not appear nay taskbar |
| 16:35.09 | radw62 | *any |
| 16:35.34 | Dreaman | towo` oot@debian-ivan:/home/nikolov# apt install firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 16:35.34 | Dreaman | ЧеÑене на ÑпиÑÑÑиÑе Ñ Ð¿Ð°ÐºÐµÑи... ÐоÑово |
| 16:35.34 | Dreaman | ÐзгÑаждане на дÑÑвоÑо ÑÑÑ Ð·Ð°Ð²Ð¸ÑимоÑÑи |
| 16:35.34 | Dreaman | ЧеÑене на инÑоÑмаÑиÑÑа за ÑÑÑÑоÑниеÑо... ÐоÑово |
| 16:35.34 | Dreaman | E: ÐакеÑÑÑ firmware-linux-nonfree не може да бÑде намеÑен panimaesh |
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| 16:35.59 | dannyLopez | What is the "name" of the keys function? I mean, F1=="Meta2-P" |
| 16:36.08 | radw62 | also, I make changes on terminal, and dont save any change |
| 16:36.09 | Dreaman | simple repo add comand i no how to isntall |
| 16:36.14 | Dreaman | point |
| 16:36.33 | greycat | Dreaman: next time, please use LC_ALL=C apt install ... so we see the errors in English |
| 16:36.56 | Dreaman | greycat no repo not this packet |
| 16:36.57 | greycat | And if you need to paste more than 2 lines, use a web site. |
| 16:37.06 | Dreaman | in my repos |
| 16:37.13 | baum | Dreaman: by chance you ment apt-get? |
| 16:37.30 | towo` | !non-free |
| 16:37.30 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 16:37.32 | greycat | "apt" is a command in jessie and beyond |
| 16:37.38 | towo` | Dreaman, read that! |
| 16:37.46 | Dreaman | i use stretch xfce |
| 16:37.52 | baum | greycat: ah, thanks |
| 16:37.55 | Dreaman | stable same problem |
| 16:38.29 | tomcres | Dreaman, https://wiki.debian.org/ru/SourcesList |
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| 16:40.45 | radw62 | any idea?? |
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| 16:42.17 | KillCMOS | hello there friends!. there is someone working with ARToolKit to make augmented reality? I have problems with the SDK. Thanks! |
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| 16:47.42 | Dreaman | add repo and |
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| 16:47.52 | Dreaman | packet |
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| 16:48.29 | Dreaman | to install this old card use full hd |
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| 16:48.40 | Dreaman | in my old monitor |
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| 16:50.20 | Dreaman | no idea full relax large linux distro support chanel :) i not a russian :) and cyrillic is not rusian alphabet :) |
| 16:51.53 | greycat | Dreaman: You must edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:51.57 | greycat | Can you understand this so far? |
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| 16:54.40 | dannyLopez | What is the "name" of the keys function? I mean, F1=="Meta2-P" |
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| 16:54.58 | Dreaman | work thenks |
| 16:55.20 | greycat | dannyLopez: their names in English are "F1" or "function keys". What is the context of your question? What are you trying to do? |
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| 16:59.01 | mauro25987 | hi |
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| 16:59.25 | mauro25987 | how mount partition in ntfs with owner nobody and nogroup? |
| 16:59.38 | mauro25987 | UUID=76F24B4A3A6D6AE6 /home/dvr/hdd ntfs auto,rw,sync,exec,user,uid=65534,gid=65534 0 0 |
| 16:59.38 | dannyLopez | greycat: Jajaja, yes, but I try to configure IRSSI, and the config have this lines: |
| 16:59.43 | mauro25987 | not work :/ |
| 16:59.45 | dannyLopez | keyboard = ( |
| 16:59.45 | dannyLopez | { key = "meta2-P"; id = "command"; data = "nicklist scroll -1"; }, |
| 16:59.45 | dannyLopez | { key = "meta2-Q"; id = "command"; data = "nicklist scroll +1"; }, |
| 16:59.45 | dannyLopez | ); |
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| 17:00.11 | jhutchins_wk | !ntfs |
| 17:00.12 | dpkg | Windows NT File System (NTFS) has drivers available in Debian: the read-only Linux kernel driver and a <FUSE> driver providing write support. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about read/write access, ask me about <ntfsrw>. See also <ntfsclone>, <label>. http://wiki.debian.org/NTFS |
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| 17:00.23 | dannyLopez | Really 3 lines? |
| 17:00.47 | greycat | dannyLopez: try asking in #irssi |
| 17:01.00 | petn-randall | dannyLopez: Four, but it also warns you in the /topic. |
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| 17:01.37 | dannyLopez | Ah, sorry. |
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| 17:02.07 | dannyLopez | I considered SPAM more of 9 lines. |
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| 17:02.29 | petn-randall | shrugs. |
| 17:02.37 | petn-randall | Each to their own. |
| 17:02.45 | greycat | In larger channels, each user has to be more restrained, or it turns into bedlam. |
| 17:03.17 | petn-randall | dannyLopez: In here you get kicked for 1 line of spamming. |
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| 17:06.35 | dannyLopez | I love. :3 |
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| 17:14.39 | CrazyTux | can jscoder be found here? when was he online last time? |
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| 17:16.48 | petn-randall | CrazyTux: Better to ask you question directly. |
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| 17:17.37 | CrazyTux | I had something to discuss with him. |
| 17:17.49 | CrazyTux | Needed some info from him. |
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| 17:18.08 | CrazyTux | Anyway, I'll come back tomorrow. |
| 17:18.16 | jelly | !seen jscoder |
| 17:18.16 | dpkg | jscoder <~user@unaffiliated/jscoder> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 5d 11h 51m 58s ago, saying: 'the upstream devs said samba would have to be rewritten from the ground up to support that kind of feature described, but the maintainers refused to pull the document'. |
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| 17:18.47 | CrazyTux | ok. thanks a lot. |
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| 17:19.00 | jelly | CrazyTux: use MemoServ, /msg MemoServ help |
| 17:19.15 | amz31 | I have an issue with deboostrap, http://dpaste.com/2G655RN |
| 17:19.18 | jelly | assuming they have an account |
| 17:19.38 | jelly | oh, they do, there's a cloak. |
| 17:19.45 | amz31 | basically debootstrap can't reach http://deb.debian.org/debian/dists/current/Release |
| 17:20.27 | CrazyTux | jelly, thanks a lot. |
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| 17:21.17 | jelly | amz3`: are you sure there's a suite called "current" and not say "jessie" or "stable" ? |
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| 17:21.29 | jelly | I: usage: [OPTION]... <suite> <target> [<mirror> [<script>]] |
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| 17:21.59 | password2 | hello |
| 17:22.15 | jelly | hello |
| 17:22.21 | jelly | this is dog |
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| 17:23.28 | password2 | hello dog |
| 17:23.31 | password2 | this is user |
| 17:24.44 | password2 | how do i install something from stretch again if i'm on jessie? |
| 17:24.52 | greycat | you don't |
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| 17:24.56 | greycat | !frankendebian |
| 17:24.57 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
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| 17:25.34 | password2 | so is backports now frowned upon? |
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| 17:25.55 | greycat | backports are fine. that is not what you asked. |
| 17:26.04 | password2 | its not? |
| 17:26.12 | password2 | how does it differ? |
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| 17:26.24 | greycat | jessie-backports is a completely different repository from stretch |
| 17:26.42 | greycat | !jessie-backports |
| 17:26.43 | dpkg | Selected packages intended for the Debian 9 "Stretch" release but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. Note that jessie-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main». Also ask me about <bdo>. |
| 17:26.43 | password2 | but it contains things from stretch? |
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| 17:27.05 | greycat | It contains packages compiled from stretch *source* but using jessie *libraries and dependencies*. |
| 17:27.19 | password2 | ah |
| 17:27.25 | password2 | so its a more sane way |
| 17:27.34 | greycat | So they actually run on jessie. |
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| 17:29.09 | password2 | cool , how do I specify i want a backport? |
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| 17:29.26 | greycat | http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
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| 17:30.56 | password2 | meh |
| 17:31.02 | password2 | my packages is already broken |
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| 17:31.51 | password2 | or rather i have a lot of uninstallable dependencies |
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| 17:32.25 | TomTomTosch | !bat |
| 17:32.25 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 17:32.30 | jelly | that's what happens when you try mixing releases |
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| 17:32.57 | password2 | :O |
| 17:33.08 | TomTomTosch | or don't use the -t jessie-backports option when installing backports. |
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| 17:33.19 | password2 | jelly, i think something else actually caused this |
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| 17:33.50 | password2 | TomTomTosch, then it says my kicad is already up to date |
| 17:34.25 | TomTomTosch | just give us the information from the factoid, then we can tell you more. |
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| 17:35.12 | password2 | first bits of info pastebin.com/eXitp3q5 |
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| 17:36.05 | TomTomTosch | you added jessie-backports to your wheezy system. |
| 17:36.34 | password2 | and? |
| 17:36.41 | password2 | did i confuse the two/ |
| 17:36.51 | TomTomTosch | that's bad. jessie-backports has packages built for jessie. |
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| 17:37.17 | password2 | oh |
| 17:37.36 | password2 | i read it as back port from jessie , not for jessie |
| 17:37.49 | TomTomTosch | but i guess there's not much harm done yet. remove it from your sources, add wheezy-backports instead. |
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| 17:38.26 | password2 | would i be fine just changing the jessie-backports to wheezy-backports? |
| 17:38.45 | TomTomTosch | yes |
| 17:38.52 | password2 | ok thank you |
| 17:40.52 | password2 | updates his notes |
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| 17:42.05 | password2 | hmm |
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| 17:42.16 | password2 | my kicad still seems really old |
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| 17:43.43 | TomTomTosch | yes, oldstable does not get backports. the one in wheezy-backports is from when jessie was still testing and wheezy was stable. |
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| 17:44.33 | password2 | meh |
| 17:44.39 | password2 | i need to upgrade sometime |
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| 17:56.45 | amz3` | tx jelly |
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| 18:13.32 | jhutchins_wk | password2: You can try backporting it yourself. |
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| 18:14.06 | password2 | backporting what? |
| 18:14.14 | password2 | oh i just gave up |
| 18:14.32 | password2 | i dont have the bandwidth, time , or disc space |
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| 18:40.52 | password2 | facedesks |
| 18:41.01 | password2 | i stalled kicad to my server |
| 18:41.07 | password2 | *installed |
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| 19:16.12 | Diogenes_ | Good evening. |
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| 19:16.57 | nickgaw | Hi, I was trying to locate either a downloadible format of the new maintainers guide or a single page version of it does any such document exist? |
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| 19:17.41 | Diogenes_ | Got myself a fresh install of Debian, the only thing I did with it by now was to install Linux 4.9 from backports and reboot. |
| 19:17.58 | Diogenes_ | It failed to load the iwlwifi firmware. |
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| 19:19.01 | Diogenes_ | How would I load it? |
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| 19:19.54 | jhutchins_wk | Diogenes_: AFIK you just need the firmware in the correct folder, which the .deb should do. |
| 19:20.13 | jhutchins_wk | !iwlwifi |
| 19:20.13 | dpkg | The iwlwifi Linux kernel driver supports several Intel 802.11n (WiFi Link, Wireless-N, Advanced-N, Ultimate-N) and 802.11ac adapters. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. Supported devices are listed at https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi . See also <iwlegacy>, <iwl7000>. |
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| 19:21.31 | Diogenes_ | Do you know which is the correct folder? |
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| 19:21.33 | tomcres | ,v firmware-iwlwifi |
| 19:21.34 | judd | Package: firmware-iwlwifi on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free: 20161130-2~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-2; sid/non-free: 20161130-2 |
| 19:21.38 | nickgaw | Why are some debian channels on freenode and others like debian-boot on oftc? |
| 19:21.45 | tomcres | Diogenes_, did you also install the firmware from backports? |
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| 19:22.15 | jhutchins_wk | Diogenes_: Not off hand, but the message in dmesg (dmesg | grep firmware) says where it's looking for it. Have you installed it? |
| 19:22.56 | Diogenes_ | I didn't. I see that there's a version of it there. But as I said I just installed linux and lost connection. |
| 19:23.32 | Diogenes_ | I have the version originally installed with debian stable. |
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| 19:24.58 | jelly | nickgaw: all the debian channels are on OFTC, this one is pretty much the only leftover |
| 19:25.11 | jelly | nickgaw: irc.debian.org points to OFTC |
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| 19:26.20 | jhutchins_wk | Diogenes_: I would say install the one from backports (possibly using the old kernel). |
| 19:26.22 | Diogenes_ | dmsg and grep firmware just seem to show me a list of attemps to load drivers, in which iwlwifi is listed... |
| 19:26.45 | Diogenes_ | "Failed with error -2" |
| 19:26.54 | Diogenes_ | If that's of any help. |
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| 19:27.19 | Diogenes_ | I see, ok. |
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| 19:27.21 | jelly | Diogenes_: what jhutchins_wk said. If that's your only way to get network access, boot back to 3.16, upgrade firmware packages to versions from jessie-backports just like your desired kernel, then reboot |
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| 19:27.48 | Diogenes_ | I just did that with this computer, so I could reinstall and do that. |
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| 19:28.18 | Diogenes_ | But, just for my information, is there a way to rollback the kernel? |
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| 19:29.08 | jelly | Diogenes_: look at the contents of /boot/ -- you should have the original 3.16 kernel in place, you need to pick it in the boot menu |
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| 19:30.05 | Diogenes_ | Yep, it's s there. |
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| 19:30.33 | jelly | so boot it. |
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| 19:31.27 | jelly | may be hiding under Advanced options... |
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| 19:31.38 | dannyLopez | Hi, anybody use Wildfly? |
| 19:31.53 | Diogenes_ | Worked. Thanks! |
| 19:32.13 | jhutchins_wk | ,v wildfly |
| 19:32.14 | judd | No package named 'wildfly' was found in amd64. |
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| 19:33.42 | dannyLopez | Jajaja, no, no, is a diferent instalation |
| 19:34.35 | nickgaw | What programs handle the debian moving of packages from unstable to testing to stable as I was wanting to read more about the internals of how debian handles releases? |
| 19:37.49 | greycat | Packages never move from testing/unstable to stable. |
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| 19:39.25 | jhutchins_wk | nickgaw: Probably custom scripts maintained by the maintainers. |
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| 19:48.34 | nickgaw | I meant unstable to testing no one knows what tools are used to maintain the debian repositories? |
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| 19:49.36 | jhutchins_wk | nickgaw: I'm sure the maintainers know. |
| 19:49.54 | nickgaw | for example how do new distributions who wish to base their destribution on debian do this? |
| 19:50.15 | jhutchins_wk | nickgaw: They start out with a mirror. |
| 19:50.36 | jelly | source* mirror. and set up buildd's for building |
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| 19:51.09 | jelly | s/'// |
| 19:51.15 | jelly | !buildd |
| 19:51.15 | dpkg | it has been said that buildd is Debian's automated build system that automatically compiles everything it finds. http://buildd.debian.org/ http://wiki.debian.org/buildd |
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| 19:51.35 | nickgaw | I have read somewhere about automated tools that handle bug tracking and moving packages from unstable to testing no one knows what these tools are? |
| 19:51.36 | somiaj | nickgaw: what part of the internals are you wanting? You wanting the tools that build the package, or the transition. Transition doens't rebuild packages (usually |
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| 19:52.05 | somiaj | nickgaw: #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net might have better answers, also have you seen the package tracker? The tools are linked to that |
| 19:52.35 | somiaj | nickgaw: https://tracker.debian.org/ |
| 19:52.47 | nickgaw | I will have a look |
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| 19:53.44 | nickgaw | Does debian or any dealers sell laptops or desktops preinstalled with debian on them? |
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| 19:54.02 | jhutchins_wk | nickgaw: Debian does not. |
| 19:54.02 | netzverweigerer | nickgaw: not that i know of. |
| 19:54.31 | jhutchins_wk | nickgaw: I think there are some small retailers that will pre-install it for you. |
| 19:54.36 | somiaj | nickgaw: closest I've seen is computers sold with ubuntu on it, which means it most likely can run debian. |
| 19:54.39 | netzverweigerer | nickgaw: i've seen laptops with ubuntu flavors being sold, but i don't know of anything with pre-installed debian. |
| 19:54.47 | netzverweigerer | somiaj: ^5 |
| 19:54.53 | somiaj | nickgaw: well in terms of big compienes, I'm sure some small company will install debian if asked. |
| 19:54.56 | nickgaw | My linux laptop has been telling me a lot core temperature above threshold and I am not sure what portion of the system to have someone take a look at? |
| 19:55.26 | jhutchins_wk | nickgaw: Probably not real current: https://www.debian.org/distrib/pre-installed |
| 19:55.28 | somiaj | nickgaw: ventalation of laptops can be a big factor, where you set it, make sure the fans are clean and not gettnig gunked up. |
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| 19:56.29 | jhutchins_wk | nickgaw: Not Debian specific: https://www.cyberciti.biz/hardware/laptop-computers-with-linux-installed-or-preloaded/ |
| 19:56.43 | nickgaw | now a days can a linux system get so hot it is automatically shutdown by the kernel? |
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| 19:57.02 | jhutchins_wk | nickgaw: More often by the bios, but yes. |
| 19:57.06 | missmbob | nickgaw: yes |
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| 19:57.21 | jhutchins_wk | nickgaw: Cleaning the dust out of the cooling system often helps. |
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| 19:58.18 | nickgaw | How much would a normal store like best buy charge to clean up the system and if heatsyncs need replacing do everything to cool down the system? |
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| 19:59.27 | missmbob | nickgaw: those stores are run by 18 year olds. i'd be surprised if they opened your box |
| 19:59.41 | jhutchins_wk | nickgaw: https://www.officesupply.com/technology/computer-accessories/cleaning-maintenance/air-dusters/dust-professional-canned-compressed-duster/p79223.html?ref=pla&cid=ad-pla-non-brand&product_id=79223&adpos=1o5&creative=82620382353&device=c&matchtype=&network=g&gclid=CjwKEAiAirXFBRCQyvL279Tnx1ESJAB-G-Qvqi2kKI3357wBhDNLPjpYeh4itWenajXCR7pP_RgF8xoCfZzw_wcB |
| 19:59.43 | netzverweigerer | nickgaw: it really depends. if you still have warranty on your thinkpad they will do what's needed to get your system running cool again. that's all i really know. |
| 20:00.06 | jhutchins_wk | nickgaw: I can't imagine replacing a heatsink. |
| 20:00.18 | missmbob | jhutchins_wk: why? i've had to several times |
| 20:00.34 | jhutchins_wk | missmbob: Replace it, or fix the thermal paste? |
| 20:00.51 | missmbob | jhutchins_wk: replace |
| 20:01.11 | jhutchins_wk | missmbob: Something like a badly clogged laptop heatsink? |
| 20:01.37 | missmbob | jhutchins_wk: a lot of heatsinks, yes most laptops, have the heatsink fused with the cpu fan |
| 20:01.37 | somiaj | I don't see heatsinks going bad, though it might be easier to replace the whole thing with a nicer designed one than just cleaning it up and replacing the thermal paste |
| 20:02.13 | nickgaw | My system I bought off of a friend who did not really take good care of it so it is not under any protection plan but other then the over heating messages the system works just fine I just want to get it cooler if possible to avoid those messages. |
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| 20:02.50 | missmbob | nickgaw: yeah. clean it up. if that doesnt work replace the fan and it should go away |
| 20:03.12 | somiaj | nickgaw: get some sort of platform to rest it on so it gets airflow under the laptop can help a lot, also just clean it out as best as you can. I just use an air compressor, though some like the cans of cleaner better. |
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| 20:03.17 | jhutchins_wk | nickgaw: Sorry for not trimming the URL better, but just get a can of air ($3.99 above), blow backwards from the exhaust, take off covers if you can. |
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| 20:04.07 | jelly | if it's older than 4-5 years it will be worth to let someone open it, clean it properly, reapply thermal paste possibly |
| 20:04.19 | nickgaw | ok the system is currently directly on a desk and I think the fans are under the system. |
| 20:04.21 | ambient | Hello, I am currently running Jessie Stable, but want to upgrade my kernel. Is it too much of a pain to bother? |
| 20:04.50 | missmbob | ambient: there's 4.9 on jessie-backports. that's easy |
| 20:04.51 | jhutchins_wk | ,kernels |
| 20:04.52 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.10.0-rc6-686-pae (4.10~rc6-1~exp2); sid: 4.9.0-2-686 (4.9.10-1); stretch: 4.9.0-1-686-pae (4.9.6-3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.9.2-2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.39-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.84-1) |
| 20:04.55 | jelly | ambient: what fails to work with the current kernel? |
| 20:04.58 | jhutchins_wk | !backports |
| 20:04.58 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 20:05.20 | ambient | jelly, I have newish hardware so would like to take advantage |
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| 20:05.43 | ambient | I heard later kernels have better amd apu support, perhaps that is not so? |
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| 20:06.41 | ambient | Perhaps it is all just false marketing from linux, the old kernels may be just as good as the new... |
| 20:07.26 | ambient | missmbob, what command to use to upgrade the kernel? |
| 20:07.47 | nickgaw | Why do things lots of the time remain in the staging area of the kernel source for years and never move out of there or features never get finished like the native ntfs kernel write driver? |
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| 20:08.36 | missmbob | ambient: read the instructions. https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ set up your sources properly for backports. apt update && apt install -t jessie-backports linux-image-amd64 for example |
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| 20:09.42 | jhutchins_wk | ambient: Might be a good idea to look at the changelogs. |
| 20:09.57 | ambient | missmbob, any post install work you have to do, like reconfigure the boot loader and such? |
| 20:10.05 | missmbob | ambient: no |
| 20:10.11 | ambient | : - ) |
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| 20:11.04 | somiaj | ambient: that should all be done by the post install scripts of the kernel package. |
| 20:11.47 | jelly | ambient: typically, to take advantage of newer hardware, more than just the kernel may need to be upgraded |
| 20:12.16 | ambient | jelly, So you think it will be a bit of a cluster duck? |
| 20:12.36 | jelly | if your hardware needs any non-free firmware (eg. for wifi, or GPU video acceleration, or something), that may need upgrading |
| 20:12.39 | jelly | as well. |
| 20:13.00 | jelly | ambient: I don't think anything, I'm clueless about amd cpu or gpu. |
| 20:13.01 | somiaj | well what advantanges do you want, a gpu sounds like xorg and gl stuff. So you may need firmware and even the newer mesa from jessie-backports for openGL. |
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| 20:13.23 | ambient | jelly, I have an AMD apu and gpu, it sucks under linux |
| 20:13.32 | somiaj | but even then, you won't get the amdgpu driver in jessie, so you'll have to stick with the radeon driver. |
| 20:13.52 | jelly | ambient: but if 3d and video and graphic mode setting already works for you, then you probably won't notice things working better with a newer kernel |
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| 20:14.23 | somiaj | ambient: A newer kernel might help, but in jessie the linux-firmware-nonfree and the radeon driver is about the best you can do, or use fglrx. If your card is so new it needs amdgpu support, this isn't in jessie afiak. |
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| 20:18.33 | ambient | somiaj, It's an a10-7800 apu with an r7-240 graphics card |
| 20:19.18 | somiaj | ambient: I'm not that familar with the amd cards, but if the radeon driver doesn't work with a newer kernel, you may just need to use stretch to get decent support for that. Stretch as the amdgpu driver for the newer cards |
| 20:19.19 | jelly | ambient: what does the "lspci -nn" line for the gpu say, exactly? |
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| 20:19.33 | somiaj | I don't know what cards need the amdgpu driver and what can run just fine with the radeon driver |
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| 20:20.08 | jelly | and even stretch kernel is missing build-time options for some amdgpu generations |
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| 20:20.20 | ambient | jelly, http://pastebin.com/Cjz426ec |
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| 20:20.34 | somiaj | and if you want the amdgpu pro driver, then well not offically supported in debian (though possible to get) |
| 20:20.54 | jelly | so there's two? |
| 20:20.57 | jelly | 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Kaveri [Radeon R7 Graphics] [1002:1313] |
| 20:21.11 | jelly | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Oland PRO [Radeon R7 240] [1002:6613] |
| 20:21.25 | jelly | judd: pciid 1002:6613 |
| 20:21.27 | judd | [1002:6613] is 'Oland PRO [Radeon R7 240/340]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:6613 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
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| 20:21.42 | jelly | judd: pciid 1002:1313 |
| 20:21.43 | judd | [1002:1313] is 'Kaveri [Radeon R7 Graphics]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:1313 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 20:21.50 | jelly | meh |
| 20:22.20 | towo` | OLAND is SI card and is well supported by radeon |
| 20:22.26 | towo` | does not need amdgpu |
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| 20:22.52 | towo` | and since debian kernel does not enable CIK support, amdgpu can't be used on such cards |
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| 20:23.38 | ambient | Not worth the kernel upgrade ya think? |
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| 20:24.05 | jelly | you can try but don''t expect a lot to change? |
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| 20:24.10 | somiaj | judd is bad at finding drivers for newer hardware |
| 20:24.27 | jelly | judd: bad bot! |
| 20:24.39 | ambient | It's also AMD's fault for not pitching-in more. |
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| 20:25.01 | towo` | install backports-kernel and libdrm from backports and be happy |
| 20:25.31 | jelly | ,v xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
| 20:25.32 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-video-radeon on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:6.14.4-8; jessie: 1:7.5.0-1; stretch: 1:7.8.0-1+b1; sid: 1:7.8.0-1+b1 |
| 20:25.32 | ambient | towo`, I did that already, but it crossed my mind, ;maybe I should update kernel...does it matter? Better ask' |
| 20:25.37 | towo` | what is essentiell is firmware-linux-nonfree |
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| 20:26.08 | somiaj | ,v xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu |
| 20:26.09 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 1.1.2-1~bpo8+1; sid: 1.2.0-1+b1; stretch: 1.2.0-1+b1 |
| 20:26.17 | somiaj | oh that is in jessie backports, last I checked it wasn't |
| 20:26.32 | towo` | but it would not help here |
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| 20:26.42 | somiaj | ambient: you might be able to try the amdgpu driver in jessie-backports of the radeon driver doesen't work, but again I'm unsure what cards actually need that driver |
| 20:26.51 | somiaj | towo`: ahh so the card in question works on the radeon driver? |
| 20:26.59 | towo` | debian kernel only supports polaris and above with amdgpu |
| 20:27.11 | jelly | somiaj: backported kernels also do not have the necessary CONFIG_ enabled |
| 20:27.15 | towo` | sojes, since it is pre polaris |
| 20:27.30 | towo` | and that is good so |
| 20:27.49 | towo` | sins CIK is highly experimental and does not work well at the moment |
| 20:27.52 | towo` | since |
| 20:28.05 | towo` | that's why it is disabled |
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| 20:28.58 | sentsy | Hello everyone, can i ask u for help? |
| 20:29.29 | mtn | !ask |
| 20:29.29 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 20:29.54 | tehmartian | Thanks dpkg |
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| 20:33.23 | sentsy | I have an issue with interface on jessie.. more precise, i cant install it from net and not sure if i am installing from usb correctly. What should i do, show me right path |
| 20:33.55 | somiaj | sentsy: what chipset is the hardware? Is it wifi? It may just need non-free firmware. |
| 20:34.19 | somiaj | sentsy: if using wifi, there is an unoffical installer with the non-free firmware included |
| 20:34.24 | somiaj | !firmware images |
| 20:34.24 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
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| 20:34.56 | sentsy | Ok, didnt look for it ;) thank u |
| 20:35.15 | ambient | Sorry to belabor this, but if I already did all the proprietary backports stuff for the graphics card end I could, and then I just upgrade the kernel, there is no need to upgrade graphics side any more? At that point I just have a shinnier kernel? |
| 20:35.30 | ambient | Shiny-er |
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| 20:36.14 | somiaj | ambient: correct, in your case sounds like you just want the linux-firmware-nonfree and the kernel from jessie-backports. That is about the best you can do with that hardware in jessie. |
| 20:36.26 | somiaj | ambient: you can check the /var/log/Xorg.0.log file to see what is being loaded. |
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| 20:36.32 | luxio | any DE recommendations for debian? |
| 20:36.59 | teclo- | Deutschland ? |
| 20:37.04 | somiaj | ambient: there is a newer mesa available in backports, but this won't give you more preformance afiak, only needed if you need access to new openGL specs |
| 20:37.04 | jelly | xfce? lxde? cinnamon? |
| 20:37.40 | somiaj | luxio: the one that fits your needs, debian has plenty to choose from (including smaller WMs). xfce/lxde are popular for people wanting a lighter weight system, mate for those who like the gnome2 feel, cinnamon is also available |
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| 20:40.10 | luxio | is openbox on debian? |
| 20:40.14 | somiaj | luxio: yes |
| 20:40.16 | greycat | ,v openbox |
| 20:40.18 | judd | Package: openbox on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.5.0-7; wheezy-backports: 3.5.2-6~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.5.2-8+deb8u1; sid: 3.6.1-4; stretch: 3.6.1-4 |
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| 20:40.41 | somiaj | luxio: debian has a lot of wms available, even twm if you want it. |
| 20:40.44 | somiaj | ,v twm |
| 20:40.45 | judd | Package: twm on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:1.0.6-1; jessie: 1:1.0.8-1; sid: 1:1.0.9-1; stretch: 1:1.0.9-1 |
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| 20:41.52 | somiaj | luxio: note wms require more user configuration for the software/integration you want. Debian gives you choice, choose the one you like the best, and try them all if needed |
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| 20:43.35 | luxio | I want something lightweight, minimal, and works without much configuration. |
| 20:43.38 | luxio | I'm coming from Gentoo |
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| 20:44.11 | somiaj | luxio: lxde/xfce will probabaly be the lightest choices that are still complete DE's with little to no configuration. |
| 20:44.29 | somiaj | luxio: wm's arne't to bad, but depending on the wm you may have to tinker with things a bit. I don't know what the defaults in openbox are like. |
| 20:44.50 | crash_ | Mate is good choiche as well |
| 20:44.53 | somiaj | luxio: lxde being the lightest, xfce being a little more fancy |
| 20:45.04 | somiaj | crash_: is it that light, I never concidered gnome2 light, but I guess on modern hardware. |
| 20:46.10 | crash_ | somiaj: i'm running Mate on this laptop i5, but i have runned mate on lower specs as well as dual core PC's and it's very light in my mind. |
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| 20:46.36 | somiaj | crash_: I don't know what has changed since it was gnome2, but yea light is relative. (: |
| 20:46.44 | missmbob | even so it's not "light" compared to lxde/xfce |
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| 20:48.07 | ambient | reboot |
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| 20:48.14 | ambient | : - ) |
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| 20:49.37 | crash_ | missmbob: xfce and mate is the same i think in resources use. at least in my testing scenarios |
| 20:50.23 | luxio | can I still configure my kernel like in gentoo? |
| 20:50.53 | somiaj | luxio: you can compiile your own kernel if wanted, but this is a lot of extra work. |
| 20:51.09 | somiaj | luxio: you also won't get the security updates automatically from debian this way, you'll have to recompile the kernel each time it is updated. |
| 20:51.13 | greycat | The vast majority of Debian systems do not customize their kernels, I believe. |
| 20:51.34 | greycat | It's just a difference in philosophy for the users. |
| 20:51.46 | somiaj | luxio: the advantage in most cases is small, espically on modern hardware. |
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| 20:55.56 | Dan39 | hi, does debian provide a GUI date/time utility like system-config-date? |
| 20:56.13 | RFleming | Hello Debian |
| 20:56.42 | RFleming | how well does Debian (out-of-the-box) support bluray? |
| 20:56.57 | RFleming | (for video, not storage) |
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| 20:58.24 | RFleming | I'm looking to use Debian as my HTPC OS. |
| 20:58.41 | jhutchins_wk | Dan39: Most desktops have interactive clocks. What do you actually want to do? |
| 20:58.49 | somiaj | Dan39: xclock? |
| 20:58.57 | teclo- | xdaliclock |
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| 20:59.21 | Dan39 | jhutchins_wk: provide a standalone utility for setting the time |
| 20:59.44 | somiaj | RFleming: it should support some playback, some blueray encription may require non-free software to decode, unsure here. |
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| 21:00.06 | Dan39 | exactly like system-config-date :P |
| 21:00.11 | jhutchins_wk | Dan39: Like "date"? |
| 21:00.17 | Dan39 | but GUI |
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| 21:00.33 | jhutchins_wk | Dan39: I don't know why anyone would bother with a GUI. |
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| 21:00.53 | RFleming | somiaj: yeah, I've been reading and reading. For the most part, I think I can use libbluray libaacs and libbdplus |
| 21:00.56 | jhutchins_wk | Dan39: systemd sets the clock at boot, ntp kees it synced with timeservers. |
| 21:01.16 | somiaj | RFleming: I'm getting some hits that says blueray playback in linux is hit and miss, and the software I'm seeing is more propriotary and wno't be in debian by default, you may have to do some work and even then may not get all blu ray discs to work |
| 21:01.18 | RFleming | somiaj: but then read that kodi in backports is compiled to not use libbluray |
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| 21:01.41 | Dan39 | jhutchins_wk: because the system is setup offline and kind of kiosk-like (but not for public use, only for a few people in an office) without a full desktop |
| 21:01.45 | RFleming | I'd hate to have to use Windows for HTPC |
| 21:02.16 | jhutchins_wk | Dan39: The BIOS clock setting is kindof GUI. |
| 21:02.20 | Dan39 | -_- |
| 21:02.40 | Dan39 | BIOS is password protected, dont want the computer illiterates in the bios |
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| 21:02.57 | Dan39 | do you know of a tool or not? |
| 21:02.58 | jhutchins_wk | Don't want computer illiterates setting the system time either. |
| 21:03.01 | RFleming | Dan39: Why do you need to set the date and time so often you need a utility? |
| 21:03.16 | Dan39 | because modern motherboard RTCs suck |
| 21:03.31 | RFleming | Dan39: that's why man invented NTP |
| 21:03.37 | Dan39 | since like you guys mentiond, everyone now is on internet with ntp |
| 21:03.42 | Dan39 | but this isnt on internet -_- |
| 21:04.04 | gzcwnk | hi, need some info on how to mod debian8's default (fresh install) firewall setup please, ie what doc do I look at |
| 21:04.11 | RFleming | BIOS clock NEVER was meant for RTC |
| 21:04.31 | Dan39 | maybe i can just install system-config-date from source... its all just python iirc, can drop it in a single folder without much effort i bet |
| 21:04.41 | Dan39 | RFleming: huh? |
| 21:04.45 | jhutchins_wk | gzcwnk: What firewall did you install? This isn't Windows. |
| 21:04.58 | Dan39 | BIOS clock wasnt meant to hold proper time? |
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| 21:05.14 | Dan39 | i tried looking into getting a radio clock without much luck |
| 21:05.35 | ambient | Hello, I upgraded the kernel but lost dual monitors. That's to be expected, right? |
| 21:05.35 | RFleming | Dan39: found this: http://ahsoftware.de/usb-rtc/ |
| 21:05.38 | jhutchins_wk | Dan39: Yeah, they're mostly expensive. There are ways to use a GPS chip. |
| 21:05.44 | gzcwnk | jhutchins_wk, I didnt but running iptables -L -n I see one is running so I want to change it "correctly" rather than try hacking it |
| 21:05.53 | Dan39 | good luck getting a GPS signal indoors haha |
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| 21:06.23 | jhutchins_wk | gzcwnk: If there are IPTables rules then you installed something, and it's best to use whatever that was to change them. |
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| 21:06.27 | Dan39 | RFleming: looks like an interesting option, thanks |
| 21:06.42 | Dan39 | the board im using debain on actually has a great rtc built in though |
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| 21:06.58 | RFleming | Dan39: you don't actually need to get GPS indoors, you just need to get the AM signal broadcast from NIST |
| 21:06.59 | gzcwnk | jhutchins_wk agree but I have no idea what, hence I am asking what the "default" would be |
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| 21:07.02 | jhutchins_wk | Dan39: So why the need to change it from a GUI? |
| 21:07.12 | Dan39 | RFleming: i know, but thats not GPS now is it :P you said gps |
| 21:07.15 | jhutchins_wk | gzcwnk: The default would be nothing. |
| 21:07.17 | Dan39 | i did say radio, you said otherwise |
| 21:07.41 | jhutchins_wk | Dan39: GPS is radio. |
| 21:07.42 | Dan39 | jhutchins_wk: because the people getting the system cant use command line |
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| 21:07.50 | gzcwnk | jhutchins_wk well something got installed so my problem is how to work with it |
| 21:08.09 | Dan39 | jhutchins_wk: ok but when referring to clocks there is usually radio and gps |
| 21:08.16 | Dan39 | way to be freakin technical |
| 21:08.19 | Dan39 | ffs |
| 21:08.20 | RFleming | now we're grasping at straws... the difference is frequency :) |
| 21:08.25 | jhutchins_wk | gzcwnk: Figure out what it is. |
| 21:08.30 | gzcwnk | would there be a cli file under /etc somewhere? |
| 21:08.36 | jhutchins_wk | gzcwnk: Otherwise it'll probably just overwrite your changes. |
| 21:08.47 | gzcwnk | i'd suspect so |
| 21:08.53 | gzcwnk | hence why I am here asking |
| 21:09.04 | RFleming | Dan39: it was jhutchins_wk that mentioned GPS chips |
| 21:09.06 | Dan39 | radio = like WWVB in US |
| 21:09.09 | jhutchins_wk | gzcwnk: So the answer is there isn't one by default. |
| 21:09.10 | Dan39 | GPS = fucking gps. |
| 21:09.13 | steinborn | gzcwnk: Hey, maybe show us the output if iptables -nvL on paste.debian.net. That could help. |
| 21:10.04 | gzcwnk | that would be fun as I cant seem to cut and paste out of VMs |
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| 21:10.50 | Dan39 | i cant believe you just pulled the "well gps IS radio"... ugh. typical #debian |
| 21:11.16 | steinborn | gzcwnk: well are there actually *rules* or do you see just the empty default Chains (INPUT, FORWARD, OUTPUT)? |
| 21:11.17 | jhutchins_wk | gzcwnk: There shouldn't be a firewall tool installed unless you installed it. (Or unless someone else did.) |
| 21:11.33 | gzcwnk | yeah therer are rules |
| 21:12.14 | jhutchins_wk | Dan39: Wife worked for Garmin Aviation for a couple of years, I have my Pilot and Mechanic licenses and studied avionics. I know GPS pretty well. |
| 21:12.20 | gzcwnk | so are the rules stored under a common file somewhere? |
| 21:12.31 | missmbob | !chat |
| 21:12.31 | dpkg | This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net. |
| 21:12.37 | steinborn | gzcwnk: dpkg -l | egrep '(fw|firewall)' could be worth a try |
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| 21:12.50 | jhutchins_wk | Dan39: I think a GPS chip would probably be cheaper than a WWV rig though. |
| 21:13.08 | jhutchins_wk | Dan39: Then again my bathroom clock uses WWV. |
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| 21:13.40 | gzcwnk | steinborn no packages |
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| 21:14.28 | steinborn | gzcwnk: hum. |
| 21:14.34 | RFleming | Dan39: Other than using the date at the CLI, and whatever utility is available in your DE of choice, I never gave much thought to a dedicated GUI utility to set the clock |
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| 21:15.08 | RFleming | Dan39: it's one of those things I never have to set other than the first time I get the computer. |
| 21:15.12 | steinborn | gzcwnk: don't have an idea then atm, sorry. how to 'work' with it would indeed depend of the software that installed the rules in the first place. |
| 21:15.35 | gzcwnk | which is my problem, I have no idea what was installed |
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| 21:16.20 | RFleming | Dan39: but my computers aren't disconnected from a network long enough to incur that much drift, and when they do reconnect... they use NTP. |
| 21:16.33 | steinborn | gzcwnk: maybe you could skim over 'systemctl list-units' to see if you spot something firewalley there |
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| 21:17.28 | jhutchins_wk | gzcwnk: dpkg -l, identify all of the packages. |
| 21:17.39 | jhutchins_wk | gzcwnk: That's always a good security exercise anyway. |
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| 21:18.05 | jhutchins_wk | gzcwnk: Is this maybe a pre-built VM, or did you build it yourself? |
| 21:18.10 | aotaointbin | debian jessie, systemd, running `/usr/sbin/update-rc.d myservice enable` (yes, i know i should use systemctl) errors: "update-rc.d: error: myservice Default-Start contains no runlevels, aborting." |
| 21:18.20 | gzcwnk | built myself off a cdrom just now |
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| 21:18.45 | aotaointbin | but /etc/init.d/myservice contains "# Default-Start: 2 3 4 5" |
| 21:18.52 | gzcwnk | ive actually built 3 to play with a docker swarm |
| 21:18.53 | aotaointbin | any ideas? |
| 21:18.55 | jhutchins_wk | aotaointbin: Read the template/example in /etc/init.d/ for how to do the headers properly. |
| 21:19.49 | aotaointbin | jhutchins_wk: "not all fields are required" and there's no mention of which ones are. also, no mention of whether or not line order makes a difference. |
| 21:19.53 | RFleming | Dan39: I did find this cool gadget to build though: https://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~heha/basteln/PC/FunkUsb/index.en.htm |
| 21:19.54 | jhutchins_wk | checks his recently built D8 VM and finds no IPTables rules by default. |
| 21:20.08 | aotaointbin | jhutchins_wk: in any case, i do have a "# Default-Start: 2 3 4 5" line |
| 21:20.12 | jhutchins_wk | gzcwnk: So either that's not debian or you installed a firewall. |
| 21:20.21 | RFleming | Dan39: you'd have to get the right receiver chip... WWVB60, DCF77, etc. depending where you are |
| 21:20.37 | gzcwnk | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:22.03 | gzcwnk | Ok so I cant see anything in dpkg -l that points at a firewall |
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| 21:27.19 | aotaointbin | i think i was missing the ### BEGIN INIT INFO \n ### END INIT INFO lines :P |
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| 21:31.09 | jhutchins_wk | gzcwnk: use aptitude in menu mode. |
| 21:31.37 | jhutchins_wk | gzcwnk: Or whatever the GUI thing is - synaptic? |
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| 21:32.03 | gzcwnk | no idea I dont do gui's much |
| 21:32.30 | gzcwnk | I think its gnome |
| 21:33.30 | gzcwnk | aptitude is installed but I have no idea how to use it |
| 21:33.58 | eri451 | what's wrong with chromium v55 and v56? I cannot install extensions and all my extensions are gone after I updated |
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| 21:34.40 | eri451 | gzcwnk: i use 'sudo aptitude' and go with the intuitive gui |
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| 21:35.07 | gzcwnk | eri451 um I odnt find aptitude intuitive |
| 21:35.12 | zykotick9 | likes ncurses programs... but he doesn't find aptitude "intuitive"... |
| 21:35.24 | eri451 | you can click on the menu on top |
| 21:35.30 | gzcwnk | eri451 um I odnt find aptitude intuitive |
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| 21:36.43 | eri451 | okay then you maybe prefer to use apt |
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| 21:37.04 | eri451 | but you should not use apt in scripts they say |
| 21:38.12 | aotaointbin | who says that? |
| 21:38.28 | gzcwnk | Ok so ssh works, and --> http://paste.debian.net/916289/ |
| 21:38.41 | aotaointbin | what's the recommended method to automate provisioning of new systems then? |
| 21:38.51 | missmbob | aotaointbin: the developers. if it detects it's being run in a script it'll warn you not to do it |
| 21:38.51 | eri451 | the command tells you that when you pipe it e.g. to grep |
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| 21:39.41 | aotaointbin | interesting. i've not seen that. |
| 21:39.49 | jhutchins_wk | gzcwnk: You don't suppose that those rules that all say DOCKER were installed by DOCKER do you? |
| 21:39.54 | eri451 | aotaointbin: do you know puppet or salt-stack or chef |
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| 21:40.16 | gzcwnk | jhutchins yes I said I installed docker x3 |
| 21:40.19 | aotaointbin | eri451: i know ansible... |
| 21:40.25 | jhutchins_wk | aotaointbin: Provisioning preseed or kickstart. Management Ansible. |
| 21:40.34 | eri451 | well then there you go |
| 21:40.55 | jhutchins_wk | gzcwnk: Apparently DOCKER sets up IPTables rules. Maybe there are docs for DOCKER? |
| 21:40.59 | aotaointbin | my ansible playbooks make extensive use of apt-get on debian-flavored systems. |
| 21:41.22 | eri451 | here could be an example for salt-stack https://github.com/zentralwerk/network |
| 21:41.26 | aotaointbin | i didn't know this was recommended against. |
| 21:41.49 | jhutchins_wk | aotaointbin: I think the recommendation is specific to apt rather than apt-get or aptitude. |
| 21:41.56 | aotaointbin | aha, fair enough. |
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| 21:42.37 | aotaointbin | i didn't even know there was an 'apt' |
| 21:42.55 | missmbob | stretch's apt is pretty great. |
| 21:42.57 | jhutchins_wk | aotaointbin: Latest and some day to be greatest, not full-featured yet. |
| 21:43.03 | gzcwnk | jhutchins_wk I would hope like say Redhat there is a single point of management somewhere |
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| 21:43.22 | missmbob | jessie's apt leaves a bit to be desired |
| 21:43.40 | jhutchins_wk | gzcwnk: READ THE DOCUMENTATION FOR DOCKER. |
| 21:43.59 | gzcwnk | I have been cant see any mention |
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| 21:44.12 | jhutchins_wk | <facedesk> |
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| 21:47.58 | somiaj | eri451: did you get your answer? I belive the newer chromium disables installing extensions by default. To renable this you have to add some config to /etc/chromium.d/ to add the correct flag to chromium to install/update extensions by default |
| 21:48.00 | aotaointbin | i really haven't been keeping up. stretch is in full freeze! |
| 21:48.32 | aotaointbin | but jessie still feels so new :P |
| 21:48.59 | missmbob | aotaointbin: just 212 bugs remaining :P |
| 21:49.27 | eri451 | somiaj: thanks, someone not on this channel told me to start with --enable-remote-extensions |
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| 21:50.17 | eri451 | but this way it's persistent right? |
| 21:50.22 | somiaj | eri451: correct, that will be the flag. Now you can put a config file in /etc/chromium.d/ with CHROMIUM_FLAGS="$CHROMIUM_FLAGS --enable-remote-extensions" so it is loaded by default on your system. |
| 21:50.38 | somiaj | eri451: and hopefully I got the variable correct, check the README or other files in that directory to be sure |
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| 21:51.15 | eri451 | somiaj: thanks so much |
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| 21:53.49 | eri451 | somiaj: that worked perfectly |
| 21:54.29 | eri451 | is it a debian policy not to touch the defaults |
| 21:55.53 | eri451 | in such case e.g. |
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| 22:15.19 | somiaj | eri451: what do you mean by not touch? Debian provides defaults but users can configure as they choose |
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| 22:17.05 | lizzie | if you mean, "do debian packages have custom configs and not just copies of upstream's default config," yes |
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| 22:22.57 | sqarzz | hi guys, I am following a guide. step 1. Create one 100Mb primary partition. Set the bootableflag. step 2. Create an extended partition with the rest of the disk. |
| 22:23.00 | sqarzz | this was easy |
| 22:23.04 | sqarzz | now step 3 |
| 22:23.09 | sqarzz | Inside the extended one, create another partition. |
| 22:23.17 | sqarzz | not sure how i have to get this done in fdsik |
| 22:23.19 | sqarzz | fdisk |
| 22:23.43 | mtn | sqarzz, why not use gparted from a live disk? |
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| 22:24.44 | zykotick9 | sqarzz: create "logical" partitions, inside the extended one |
| 22:25.47 | zykotick9 | sqarzz: and any instructions including the step "set the bootableflag" are suspect IMO... |
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| 22:26.42 | sqarzz | so i've created partition 1 and 2 using the whole space |
| 22:26.42 | teraflops | sqarzz: hmm, which "guide" if youre using bios/mbr setting the bootable flag is useless, and you'll only want an extended partition if you plan having more then 4 partitions |
| 22:28.09 | teraflops | also having a separated boot partition can be arguable if you're not using UEFI |
| 22:28.35 | teraflops | a "guide" always scares me^ |
| 22:28.36 | zykotick9 | uses a separate boot for encrypted LVM... on a BIOS system |
| 22:28.41 | sqarzz | okat the last one was a logical partition |
| 22:28.55 | sqarzz | kept adding a primary, hence that didn't work |
| 22:29.01 | sqarzz | thx teraflops |
| 22:29.28 | sqarzz | i'm following this guide in order to remove fde from a system i want to import on linode |
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| 22:29.32 | teraflops | zykotick9: that's fine, I bet he's not setting up encrypted lvm |
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| 22:47.16 | p00 | the package im trying to install requires libssl1.0.0 but debian stretch uses 1.0.2 |
| 22:47.38 | p00 | any ideas for a workaround minus removing 1.0.2 and installing 1.0.0 |
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| 22:48.16 | somiaj | ,v libssl1.0.0 |
| 22:48.17 | judd | Package: libssl1.0.0 on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u20; wheezy-security: 1.0.1t-1+deb7u1; jessie: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u5; jessie-security: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u6; jessie-proposed-updates: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u6; jessie-backports: 1.0.2k-1~bpo8+1 |
| 22:48.19 | teraflops | p00: no, unless you give more information |
| 22:49.10 | somiaj | p00: stretch has 1.0.2 (for the 1.0.0 branch) and 1.1.0) are you positive 1.0.2 won't work, there shouldn't be major abi changes from 1.0.0 |
| 22:49.22 | p00 | yes I'm trying to install skype |
| 22:49.44 | p00 | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 22:49.44 | p00 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:49.53 | somiaj | libssl1.0.0 is in stretch |
| 22:49.56 | somiaj | so install it |
| 22:50.03 | somiaj | ,v libssl1.0.0 |
| 22:50.04 | judd | Package: libssl1.0.0 on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u20; wheezy-security: 1.0.1t-1+deb7u1; jessie: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u5; jessie-security: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u6; jessie-proposed-updates: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u6; jessie-backports: 1.0.2k-1~bpo8+1 |
| 22:50.15 | p00 | E: Package 'libssl1.0.0:i386' has no installation candidate |
| 22:50.20 | somiaj | wait, I thought it was there, one second |
| 22:51.03 | somiaj | ahh the renamed the package libssl1.0.2 -- I see, anyways you are kinda out of luck. Also skype doens't even support their old skype package, use the webapp if possible |
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| 22:53.53 | p00 | ah |
| 22:53.54 | p00 | thanks |
| 22:54.10 | somiaj | p00: I would look into the webapp, no one really supports that old skype package anymore |
| 22:54.18 | Iridos | the package name contains the version⦠why shouldn't you be able to install both? |
| 22:54.36 | p00 | I just found this https://blog.rsaffi.com/2016/02/install-skype-on-debian-stretch-next-stabletesting/ |
| 22:54.39 | p00 | hopefully it works |
| 22:54.56 | somiaj | yea you might be able to install the older package from jessie, but it will conflict with the one from stretch |
| 22:55.20 | p00 | ah |
| 22:55.37 | somiaj | s/will/may/ |
| 22:55.44 | p00 | i'll just use pidgin |
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| 22:56.29 | somiaj | i.e. the libssl1.0.0 in jessie provides 1.0.1t version and 1.0.2k version from jessie-backports, but the stretch package libssl1.0.2 provides the 1.0.2k version |
| 22:56.46 | somiaj | p00: you could also recompile the libssl1.0.2 package and call it libssl1.0.0 to make skype happy, or use equivs |
| 22:56.49 | somiaj | !equivs |
| 22:56.50 | dpkg | equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell <apt> you really have installed (through some other means) the package. aptitude install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, see also <usrlocal>. A better plan is often to adapt the Debian packages to your needs, ask me about <package recompile> <uupdate> <ssb>. |
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| 22:57.03 | somiaj | p00: again unsure which way will work in the end |
| 22:57.42 | p00 | i'll try that thanks |
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