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| 00:08.02 | Vlan | Hello, I have an interesting behavior here with my debian server. I have a script that creates a file (touch or stdout redirection, it doesnt matter) and the new file is properly created. But how is it possible that running the same script via ssh /same user), the file is not created? |
| 00:08.23 | Vlan | Some echo commands are executed, so it works in part |
| 00:08.52 | Vlan | I am pretty sure this is a noob question so hopefully someone can enlighten me :D |
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| 00:11.30 | peterS | Vlan: lots of possibilities. first see whether using 'ssh -t' makes a difference. ('ssh -t' means to do a proper login with a terminal device, whereas ssh by default doesn't bother with that stuff if just directly running a command.) |
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| 00:11.56 | peterS | if so, if ssh -t makes it work, that doesn't directly solve your problem but it does point toward what the problem might be |
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| 00:14.28 | Vlan | peterS: ssh -t didnt do it :( |
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| 00:15.26 | peterS | Vlan: when you say stdout redirection, make sure you aren't making the dumb mistake of: 'ssh servername echo ok > /tmp/testfile' - where the redirection is happening on the client side instead of the server side |
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| 00:15.41 | peterS | (obviously 'touch' would not have this problem though) |
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| 00:16.21 | Vlan | peterS: I understand, however I'm not running the .sh as a oneliner along with the ssh login |
| 00:16.25 | rjsalts | any reason why my interface isn't getting set up? I have auto eth0 iface eth0 inet6 static ... but when the host boots it doesn't seem to add ipv6, the iface eth0 inet dhcp works though |
| 00:16.58 | Vlan | peterS: I am invoking the .sh after I am logged in |
| 00:17.04 | Vlan | this is weird huh? |
| 00:17.11 | peterS | rjsalts: so you have two 'iface eth0' sections, one for inet and one for inet6, and only the one for inet works? |
| 00:17.13 | rjsalts | I also have to do pre-up dhclient -cf /etc/dhcp/dhclient6.conf -pf /run/dhclient6.eth0.pid -6 -P eth0 for dhcppd |
| 00:17.18 | Vlan | also, I can touch files from that |
| 00:17.30 | rjsalts | peterS: yes, that's correct |
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| 00:19.40 | peterS | rjsalts: so it sounds like the 'inet dhcp' is not really working either, if you have to use pre-up in order to launch dhclient |
| 00:20.14 | rjsalts | peterS: and when I do ifup eth0 after boot it brings up the ipv6 addresses, it doesn't say that the process exists or what have you |
| 00:20.30 | rjsalts | peterS: the pre-up is on inet6 interface |
| 00:20.34 | peterS | oh right |
| 00:21.00 | peterS | wait... you have both static and dhcpv6 on the same interface? |
| 00:21.04 | rjsalts | peterS: but the dhclient for dhcp-pd is not running. There is a dhclient for ipv4 addresses |
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| 00:21.57 | rjsalts | peterS: DHCP-PD, I'm requesting a prefix be allocated with my DUID, otherwise the subnets won't be routed to me |
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| 00:22.31 | peterS | rjsalts: you're requesting a prefix via dhcpv6 but you're also starting with a static base v6 address? |
| 00:22.35 | rjsalts | peterS: but it's a static prefix, and I'm selecting the ip address(es) I want out of that range |
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| 00:23.16 | rjsalts | peterS: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefix_delegation |
| 00:23.40 | peterS | yes I know about prefix delegation. But normally if you use dhcpv6 for that you also use it to get your address |
| 00:23.52 | peterS | I do remember being quite unhappy with the level of integration between ifupdown and dhcpv6, though, last time I had to try to make it work |
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| 00:24.39 | rjsalts | peterS: this is my provider's documentation, which is pretty much what I've followed https://documentation.online.net/en/dedicated-server/network/ipv6/prefix |
| 00:25.09 | peterS | (my own current situation is also dumb: my ISP sends me RA packets with no default route in them. So I have to use a script to extract the RA source address and set _that_ as my default gateway. Fun times.) |
| 00:25.35 | missmbob | oh you're using systemd. i heard, not sure if it's true, that you have to specify ipv6 first, then ipv4 when there are both |
| 00:25.48 | missmbob | is that the order you have them in? |
| 00:26.04 | rjsalts | missmbob: no, I have inet before inet6 |
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| 00:26.37 | rjsalts | missmbob: default init from jessie, so it's systemd iirc |
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| 00:27.08 | semitones | hello -- have any of you used openmediavault to make a NAS? |
| 00:28.01 | peterS | rjsalts: my suspicion is that the 'inet6 static' is skipped because something notices you already have dhclient running on that interface (for v4). Or for that matter, already dhclient for v6. |
| 00:28.20 | peterS | rjsalts: if you're launching dhclient for v6 in pre-up, try doing it in post-up maybe? |
| 00:29.32 | peterS | though I do see that the online.net documentation mentions to do it as pre-up ... hmmm. |
| 00:30.09 | peterS | wait ... why do they say 'address IPV6ADDRESS netmask PREFIXLEN'? It's supposed to be 'address IPV6ADDRESS/PREFIXLEN' |
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| 00:30.48 | peterS | (this also works with ipv4, as of debian wheezy, but it's what I've always seen used for ipv6.) |
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| 00:32.25 | peterS | huh, interesting, 'man interfaces' does mention that 'inet6' supports are 'netmask' line, but I've never seen anyone actually use it. |
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| 00:40.31 | rjsalts | and it works fine after boot |
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| 00:40.42 | rjsalts | it's just not acting on the auto eth0 .... |
| 00:41.59 | peterS | strange. |
| 00:42.09 | peterS | I mean, multiple 'iface' have always worked for me. |
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| 00:42.45 | Shadow_7 | peterS: csv with no whitespace? |
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| 00:49.16 | rjsalts | peterS: ah, yes, dhclient[331]: Can't bind to dhcp address: Cannot assign requested address in systemctl status networking.service |
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| 00:50.16 | lf94_ | I have totally destroyed the font system on my debian installation, in an attempt to rid of infinality. How do I fix it? |
| 00:50.43 | lf94_ | I think I still didn't get rid of it |
| 00:51.00 | peterS | rjsalts: I do have to question the documentation page you've got there. Not only do they have an ipv6 'netmask' line that I hadn't seen before, they also say 'pre-up modprobe ipv6' which I have no idea who ever thought that should ever be needed |
| 00:51.15 | peterS | rjsalts: makes me wonder if this is even a tested config. You may indeed have to use post-up instead of pre-up, or similar |
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| 00:52.43 | rjsalts | I would think there might be a race between link up and pre-up dhclient when booting |
| 00:53.03 | peterS | yeah, that too |
| 00:53.42 | rjsalts | but I think you do want dhclient running before you assing prefix/netmask in inet6 static |
| 00:53.50 | rjsalts | assign even |
| 00:54.37 | peterS | hmmmm. I would assume the opposite, as I'd assume it's more likely that the static config would notice dhclient already running than the converse |
| 00:54.42 | peterS | anyway, try it both ways I guess |
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| 00:58.03 | rjsalts | aha, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ifupdown/+bug/1447715 looks like it might be relevant |
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| 00:58.32 | peterS | rjsalts: if you're following those instructions and you left in the 'modprobe ipv6', I think debian kernels have had ipv6 built directly into the kernel for a pretty long time now. (So, modprobe ipv6 is not exactly wrong, just pointless.) |
| 00:58.56 | rjsalts | peterS: I didn't bother with the modprobe ipv6 |
| 00:59.01 | peterS | heh, good |
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| 01:00.49 | missmbob | pre-up sleep 10 really is ugly |
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| 01:01.46 | peterS | that, or just 'dad-attempts 0' to disable DAD |
| 01:01.48 | rjsalts | or pre-up echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/eth0/accept_dad |
| 01:02.02 | peterS | (see 'man 5 interfaces', which does document a couple of DAD options) |
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| 01:02.42 | rjsalts | dad-attempts 0 |
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| 01:03.01 | peterS | yeah, see if that makes a difference |
| 01:03.04 | Shadow_7 | I just set most of my things to "manual". But my use case is desktops with phyiscal access |
| 01:03.30 | peterS | Shadow_7: it's so you can always RTFM, isn't it |
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| 01:04.05 | Shadow_7 | Most times I $(service network-manager stop), I have the "stuff" installed, I just don't use it. |
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| 01:04.26 | Shadow_7 | It's so I do everything full CLI, so whatever I do translates to any distro. |
| 01:04.40 | peterS | yeah, well, I don't have n-m installed at all (: |
| 01:04.45 | Shadow_7 | And any stage of the installation process |
| 01:05.35 | Shadow_7 | I try not to, but when I try things out I don't uninstall them. So it eventually gets there. |
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| 01:06.26 | peterS | I'm so old fashioned I don't even use n-m on my laptop, preferring to 'sudo vi /etc/network/interfaces' to set the wifi network + password when I go somewhere |
| 01:06.45 | stoned | peterS: ditto |
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| 01:18.28 | Shadow_7 | I mostly run wpa_supplicant in an xterm and dhclient -4 -v wlan0. Plus other stuff since I bridge via ethernet through that machine. |
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| 01:54.43 | Eszett__ | Hi! I have a lil question, how can I install the "GCC ARM embedded" toolchain with sudo manager on my Debian? I've tried with "sudo apt-get install gcc-arm-embedded" but it's somehow wrong :-( |
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| 01:59.42 | gnat_x | Eszett__: that's definitely not a package. perhaps you mean one of these: https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=all§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=all&keywords=gcc+arm+embedded |
| 02:00.22 | Shadow_7 | only seeing packages in jessie for gcc-4.9-arm-linux-gnueabi gcc-4.9-arm-linux-gnueabihf gcc-arm-none-eabi |
| 02:00.37 | Eszett__ | Hi gnat, guess so ye.. so the correct command is "sudo apt-get install gcc-arm-none eabi" right? |
| 02:01.14 | Eszett__ | gcc-arm-none-eabi .. Ye, that package is already installed here |
| 02:02.06 | Shadow_7 | Eszett__: seems to provice /usr/bin/arm-none-eabi-gcc |
| 02:02.53 | Eszett__ | ye |
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| 02:26.09 | lf94_ | I have totally destroyed the font system on my debian installation, in an attempt to rid of infinality. How do I fix it? |
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| 02:32.28 | neoweb | does debian change the framebuffer on start |
| 02:32.33 | neoweb | why does the font change? |
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| 02:40.08 | neoweb | hmm |
| 02:40.11 | neoweb | this is intresting |
| 02:40.11 | neoweb | Found dependency on console-setup.service/start |
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| 02:44.29 | somiaj | neoweb: framebuffers are more a thing of the past, everything seems to be kms drivers (which emulate framebuffers). If a kms driver is loaded it will change the console. |
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| 02:45.19 | Shadow_7 | Hmmm... no longer have SVGAtextmode... |
| 02:45.20 | doubledutch | somiaj: I am using frambuffer currently. |
| 02:45.29 | doubledutch | 256 MB ram on this client. |
| 02:46.16 | somiaj | doubledutch: sure they are still there, but most the drivers are now kms, and i think you have to disable modesetting to get the traditional framebuffer drivers (though kms drivers emulate framebuffers) -- though maybe my understanding is a bit off. |
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| 02:46.53 | doubledutch | somiaj: Ah, gotcha, off to read, thanks |
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| 03:08.40 | neoweb | that somiaj Shadow_7 doubledutch |
| 03:08.43 | neoweb | thanks* |
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| 03:11.28 | Shadow_7 | SVGAtextmode was nice back in the day. Could change console resolution and fonts without having X. |
| 03:11.59 | Shadow_7 | Although 90% chance that you'd just mess up your screen by using it. |
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| 03:51.18 | neoweb | Is there a way to fix this: http://pastebin.com/TzM2b5G6 |
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| 03:51.22 | neoweb | ? |
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| 04:00.10 | gry | neoweb: is this the only symptom you see? |
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| 04:19.39 | Shadow_7 | It exists on my system and is a symlink to /lib/systemd/system/lightdm.service ...linked from... /etc/systemd/system/display-manager.service |
| 04:20.07 | Shadow_7 | neoweb: you probably need to install a display manager to have it exist |
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| 04:20.47 | Shadow_7 | tbh, I normally wouldn't have that. But I installed lxde to help answer someones question. |
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| 05:07.15 | devslash | has anyone here set up wpa cpnnection using wicd ? |
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| 05:11.24 | Shadow_7 | done that with dhclient and dhcpcd |
| 05:14.44 | vita_cell2 | guys I need help with debian, one question, I am on default repositories, I have no 3d acceleration with ati9600pro, I already tryed KVM modesetting enabling and disabling |
| 05:15.15 | vita_cell2 | also tryed downgrading mesa to 10.1.3-1 |
| 05:16.15 | vita_cell2 | it is supposed that ati GPUs before R500 series son't neet microcode |
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| 05:20.17 | Shadow_7 | vita_cell2: is the user in the video group? |
| 05:21.15 | vita_cell2 | hmmmm probably not, I just used standart Debian install 8.7 jessie |
| 05:21.38 | Shadow_7 | if not then only root has 3D acceleration |
| 05:22.06 | vita_cell2 | only 3d acceleration is missing, other thing work great |
| 05:22.11 | vita_cell2 | I will try root right now |
| 05:22.16 | Shadow_7 | vita_cell2: $ groups |
| 05:22.37 | Shadow_7 | vita_cell2: glxinfo | grep -i direct |
| 05:22.58 | Shadow_7 | might need mesa-utils to have that |
| 05:25.25 | vita_cell2 | Shadow_7 glxinfo opengl render is software only, with root user |
| 05:25.44 | vita_cell2 | still 3d ati render is missing |
| 05:26.05 | Shadow_7 | vita_cell2: so SGI vender for the GL stuff? |
| 05:26.33 | Shadow_7 | vita_cell2: and $ lsmod | grep -i radeon |
| 05:26.37 | vita_cell2 | but "direct render: yes" |
| 05:26.45 | vita_cell2 | wait a bit |
| 05:26.49 | Shadow_7 | yes == accelerated |
| 05:27.04 | Shadow_7 | vita_cell2: fps is capped at 60 by default |
| 05:27.05 | vita_cell2 | wait, I going to dpaste |
| 05:27.23 | Shadow_7 | vita_cell2: use the paste.debian.org or whatever equiv sites |
| 05:27.51 | neoweb | Is there a way to fix this: http://pastebin.com/TzM2b5G6 |
| 05:28.10 | neoweb | If I start console-setup and kbd my tty lights right up. |
| 05:28.28 | neoweb | gry Shadow_7 I was afk. |
| 05:28.46 | neoweb | The display-manager is not the issue from what I have read already. |
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| 05:29.17 | neoweb | Is that something wants two things up at once that cannot possibly be up at the same time. |
| 05:29.59 | neoweb | But systemd is hacked in because there are still init scripts. |
| 05:30.21 | neoweb | it basically is happening because I have a cifs share in my fstab on this one. |
| 05:30.46 | Shadow_7 | None of that seem like errors to me. Booting is messy. As long as the end result is desire-able. |
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| 05:31.36 | vita_cell2 | Shadow_7 |
| 05:31.37 | vita_cell2 | http://dpaste.com/1CJRC4T |
| 05:32.08 | neoweb | Shadow_7, those are some of the same things other people are saying but when kbd and console-setup do not come up correctly it never sets the console up right. |
| 05:32.22 | neoweb | So no console until I ssh in and fix it. |
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| 05:33.10 | Shadow_7 | vita_cell2: dpkg-divert --list |
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| 05:34.20 | neoweb | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=763315 |
| 05:34.21 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/763315 in rpcbind (closed, jessie, patch): «systemd: Dependency loop between basic.target, nfs-common, rpcbind,...»; severity: important; opened: 2014-09-29; last modified: 2016-12-07. |
| 05:34.32 | neoweb | that is nfs but the same thing happens with cifs. |
| 05:35.22 | Shadow_7 | vita_cell2: might have nvidia libGL or something odd. and it should have been lsmod | grep -i radeon |
| 05:36.00 | vita_cell2 | Shadow_7 |
| 05:36.01 | vita_cell2 | http://dpaste.com/0R2T0E8 |
| 05:37.30 | Shadow_7 | vita_cell2: is libgl1-mesa-glx installed? and libdrm-radeon1 plus xserver-xorg-radeon |
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| 05:39.00 | vita_cell2 | Shadow_7 yes, it is installed and downgraded to 10.1.3 |
| 05:39.06 | vita_cell2 | but still no 3d |
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| 05:41.07 | Shadow_7 | why downgraded? 10.3.2-1 for me |
| 05:41.38 | vita_cell2 | some compiled version with some fixes for ati |
| 05:41.44 | vita_cell2 | but still same thing |
| 05:42.13 | Shadow_7 | those fixes carry on to higher versions |
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| 05:43.00 | Shadow_7 | Have you even rebooted since you made the modification? X has to restart at a min to grab new _drv.so stuffs |
| 05:44.23 | vita_cell2 | yeas, reboot obviously |
| 05:44.57 | vita_cell2 | Shadow_7 |
| 05:44.57 | vita_cell2 | http://dpaste.com/26QT628 |
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| 05:45.14 | Shadow_7 | vita_cell2: also... grep \(EE\) /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 05:45.45 | Shadow_7 | Also for \(WW\) |
| 05:46.27 | Shadow_7 | vita_cell2: radeon driver, direct rendering: yes... you should be accelerated |
| 05:46.51 | vita_cell2 | no, 3d applications even won't run |
| 05:47.13 | Shadow_7 | vita_cell2: like $ glxgears -info |
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| 05:47.48 | Shadow_7 | vita_cell2: perhaps you're missing freeglut3 |
| 05:48.15 | Shadow_7 | didn't stop one game I play from running, but had extra pixels with it installed. |
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| 05:49.03 | Shadow_7 | vita_cell2: for java, you might need the jogl packages, aka java open GL. |
| 05:49.38 | Shadow_7 | libjogl2-* |
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| 05:51.03 | vita_cell2 | Shadow_7 |
| 05:51.04 | vita_cell2 | http://dpaste.com/0X2Y50K |
| 05:51.10 | vita_cell2 | glxgears runs fine |
| 05:51.15 | Shadow_7 | vita_cell2: 3D apps should run, that's what mesa provides, software bits for 3D needs. |
| 05:51.42 | vita_cell2 | but it is software 3d rendering, so, my ati doewn't the work |
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| 05:53.36 | Shadow_7 | There's always partian 3D in software. The (EE) stuff is odd. Are you not using a distro provided kernel? |
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| 05:54.20 | Shadow_7 | drm for radeon burped. ...reverting to software... so slower, but should still function |
| 05:55.21 | Shadow_7 | Stuff like that happens if kernel, X, and mesa come from not distro packaged means. Or you're missing jessie-updates in your sources.list |
| 05:56.09 | Shadow_7 | dpkg sources.list |
| 05:56.09 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 05:56.16 | vita_cell2 | Shadow_7 it is default kernel, it it 8.7 Debian with powerpc64 kernel |
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| 05:56.35 | Shadow_7 | Is it a powerPC computer? |
| 05:56.46 | Shadow_7 | macintosh? hackintosh? |
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| 05:57.02 | vita_cell2 | PowerMac7,3 G5 2004 |
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| 05:57.26 | Shadow_7 | I wouldn't expect much 3D acceleration from a 2004 computer |
| 05:57.31 | vita_cell2 | it is great machine, 2 CPUs and 8gb of ram |
| 05:57.46 | Shadow_7 | Or at least a 2004 GPU |
| 05:58.05 | vita_cell2 | I know, but it is ati 9600 pro with 256mb, still great for most free software games |
| 05:58.40 | vita_cell2 | so is it ati who works with 3d or CPU? |
| 05:59.32 | Shadow_7 | half and half? mesa kicks in when the hardware doesn't provide a function. But (EE) in Xorg.0.log might need some investigating. |
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| 06:00.06 | Shadow_7 | that's direct render stuff, not digital rights |
| 06:00.55 | vita_cell2 | so what should I do? |
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| 06:01.11 | Shadow_7 | google those lines from your logs |
| 06:01.12 | vita_cell2 | what happening with that? something is bugged right? |
| 06:01.17 | vita_cell2 | ok |
| 06:01.22 | Shadow_7 | You're probably not the only one with the issue |
| 06:01.36 | Shadow_7 | drm didn't like something |
| 06:01.52 | vita_cell2 | hope mesa devs fix that in the next builds for powerpc |
| 06:01.55 | Shadow_7 | Might need some fancy stuff like a different kernel. |
| 06:02.28 | vita_cell2 | anyway ubuntu12.04 LTS I had it worse, no 3d |
| 06:03.14 | Shadow_7 | When I first used my RPi B, raspbian didn't have software 3D. So I ran debian armel on that for the first year-ish |
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| 06:04.16 | Shadow_7 | had to have my 11 fps glxgears... :) |
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| 06:04.39 | Shadow_7 | now that raspbian has 3D, it gets 17 fps |
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| 06:07.51 | usersiis | what is going on? |
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| 06:15.08 | neoweb | found it |
| 06:15.09 | neoweb | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=816090 |
| 06:15.38 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/816090 in console-setup (closed, patch): «console-setup: does not avoid waiting for $remote_fs during early boot»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-02-27; last modified: 2016-04-06. |
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| 06:16.32 | AnonDol | ll |
| 06:16.49 | AnonDol | w u |
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| 06:21.24 | neoweb | hmm |
| 06:21.27 | neoweb | $local_fs |
| 06:21.31 | neoweb | or blank...fixed it. |
| 06:21.35 | neoweb | peace out |
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| 06:46.11 | jtty | is there a web site like pastebin where i can upload screen captures temporarily? |
| 06:47.19 | r0ck | imgur.com |
| 06:47.20 | r0ck | ? |
| 06:47.26 | jtty | that works thank you |
| 06:47.35 | jtty | can you delete the picturse you upload to imgur.com? |
| 06:47.56 | r0ck | if you have registered acc there |
| 06:48.03 | jtty | great, thank you |
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| 06:52.09 | jim | can overlayfs be used with jessie's default kernel? |
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| 07:04.20 | jim | nm my overlayfs question, found that the answer is it requires some pretty extensive changes |
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| 07:28.38 | julius | says here: http://hands.com/d-i/ that you can choose auto at the install prompt with various parameters to automatically install a machine. looks like on could also set: auto-install/enable to true...but where on the iso image? |
| 07:28.45 | vita_cell2 | guys, why do I need non-free firmware for ati 9600pro for enable 3d render? |
| 07:29.08 | julius | manufactors dont give out information about their stuff willingly |
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| 07:29.27 | julius | so, you need parts of the driver as binary file where nobody knows what it does.... |
| 07:29.58 | vita_cell2 | it is clearly supposed that only R500 (from HD2400) and above need microcode |
| 07:30.23 | julius | or maybe nobody wrote a free driver |
| 07:30.53 | vita_cell2 | I can not understand how and why those GPUs worked years ago without non-free microcode |
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| 07:31.34 | julius | ah ok, the isseu is deeper...sorry cant help you there |
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| 07:32.03 | oiaohm | vita_cell2: most cases they did not. Firmware for gpu use not to be signed so it was replaceable. |
| 07:32.36 | oiaohm | vita_cell2: and if you did not load a firmware it just resulted in running the firmware in rom that could be outdated. |
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| 07:33.38 | oiaohm | vita_cell2: mostly you were using non free firmware in most cases and not noticing. |
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| 07:34.01 | vita_cell2 | oiaohm all Nvidia GPUs before Maxwell v2 (gtx900 series) has no microcode outside the eeprom-rom |
| 07:34.12 | julius | stallman would tip over at this point |
| 07:34.55 | vita_cell2 | all documentations (including gentoo's) that only R500 and abode ati card need microcode, this is what I can not understand |
| 07:35.08 | vita_cell2 | *above |
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| 07:36.46 | oiaohm | vita_cell2: the thing is if it eeprom-rom you were still using it. So any hidden security flaw there you are still exposed to it. |
| 07:36.54 | jtty | What's a rubbity dib dab? |
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| 07:39.09 | oiaohm | vita_cell2: some of it was cost reduction by reducing the size of eeprom on the cards. |
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| 07:40.22 | vita_cell2 | oiaohm thanks for your help, here is no solution, I will buy used agp Nvidia card better |
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| 07:41.14 | oiaohm | vita_cell2: even the newer nvidia cards require firmware to function completely. |
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| 07:41.31 | sefru | Hi! =) I would have a question. I do programming with c++, and I'm just wondering that when you install the developement files of some library, is there a handy way of getting the name you need to use to link to that library in the makefile? |
| 07:41.41 | sefru | I hope that the question was clear enough. :D |
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| 07:41.52 | sefru | I often times find myself stuck programming just beacuse I'm trying to quess the right name to link with. |
| 07:41.58 | vita_cell2 | yeah, HATE IT! I run fine my gtx770 4gb with reclocking, with no microcodes |
| 07:42.32 | oiaohm | vita_cell2: not exactly gtx770 was not signed so it could be reversed and replaced. |
| 07:42.43 | oiaohm | vita_cell2: so you are still using a microcode. |
| 07:42.56 | vita_cell2 | inside the epprom-rom-spi |
| 07:42.59 | vita_cell2 | yes |
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| 07:43.48 | oiaohm | vita_cell2: you do have cases of hte epprom-rom editions on different cards with Nvidia being the source of graphical glitches. |
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| 07:44.30 | oiaohm | vita_cell2: the reality is closed firmware is basically part of using hardware that is not open specification. |
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| 07:44.55 | vita_cell2 | I still prefer microcode inside the rom |
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| 07:45.48 | icez | sefru: pkg-config might help |
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| 07:48.19 | oiaohm | vita_cell2: it is documented that with gtx770 nvidia they are more stable if you extract the roms from the closed source driver and load those or use the provided roms. |
| 07:48.52 | sefru | icez: Thanks for the answer! :) I'll try to figure it out. |
| 07:48.56 | vita_cell2 | obviously, but I shouldn'y do it, as I hate non-free |
| 07:48.59 | oiaohm | vita_cell2: mirocode in the rom on the card these days is only good enough to boot the system. |
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| 07:49.24 | vita_cell2 | yeah, industry tends to move blobs-firmwares outside the rom |
| 07:49.41 | oiaohm | So they can be replaced in case of issues. |
| 07:49.52 | oiaohm | Instead of having to bin the card. |
| 07:50.02 | icez | oiaohm: e.g. pkg-config --cflags zlib |
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| 07:50.17 | icez | and/or --libs |
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| 07:54.33 | icez | oiaohm: also the -l option just prepends 'lib' and appends '.a' while searching in your lib path. |
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| 07:56.22 | Jan\ | anyone know where to find a squid VM image ? |
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| 07:57.09 | sefru | icex: Thank you, this seems to work! :) |
| 07:59.38 | digdilem | n/j #perl |
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| 08:08.31 | sefru | Thanks for the help I got earlier, but I still can't seem to link to the FreeType library properly. |
| 08:09.06 | sefru | I have installed the developement files, and included the library in source with: |
| 08:09.15 | sefru | #include <freetype2/ft2build.h> |
| 08:09.25 | sefru | and #include <freetype2/freetype.h> |
| 08:09.42 | sefru | the on my makefile i link with -l libfreetype |
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| 08:10.25 | sefru | But when I try to compile it gives an error that says: |
| 08:10.36 | sefru | /usr/include/freetype2/ft2build.h:37:29: fatal error: config/ftheader.h: file doesn't exists |
| 08:10.48 | sefru | Alltough it does exists, I have checked it. |
| 08:10.52 | Ticho | exists where? |
| 08:11.20 | sefru | /usr/include/freetype2/config/fthreader.h |
| 08:12.38 | Ticho | are you adding the necessary -I flag? I recommend using pkg-config to get correct compiler and linker flags, e.g. pkg-config --cflags --libs freetype2 |
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| 08:14.26 | sefru | Using that command gives me: |
| 08:14.28 | sefru | -I/usr/include/freetype2 -lfreetype |
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| 08:14.55 | sefru | I now changed the linking in my makefile to -lfreetype, but it still gives the same error |
| 08:15.08 | icez | so you could do: gcc blah.cpp -o blah `pkg-config --cflags --libs freetype2` |
| 08:15.13 | icez | you need the -I part too |
| 08:15.51 | sefru | Oh! :D |
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| 08:15.58 | sefru | Thank you very much! =) |
| 08:16.02 | sefru | Now it works! =) |
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| 08:16.07 | Ticho | and remove the "freetype2" from your #includes |
| 08:16.08 | icez | basically /usr/include is the default but gcc doesn't look inside subdirectories |
| 08:16.39 | sefru | Okay, thanks. :) |
| 08:16.40 | Ticho | just e.g. "#include <freetype.h>", since you're passing a correct dir with the -I flag |
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| 08:17.52 | sefru | Yes, thank you very much Ticho and icez! =) |
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| 08:40.58 | apostolis | hello, I am trying to install stretch. The problem I have is that to connect to the network I need to open a browser first, then it allows me to access the internet. I downloaded the complete xfce cd but it apears that the default browser does not work. |
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| 08:42.51 | apostolis | Is there a stretch cd with the lynx browser? |
| 08:43.10 | oiaohm | apostolis: I guess pings work |
| 08:43.24 | apostolis | Only to the local gateway. |
| 08:43.25 | oiaohm | apostolis: if using wifi sometimes this can be missing firmware. |
| 08:43.54 | oiaohm | nslookup does work? |
| 08:44.14 | Psy-Q | does e10s (multiprocess) work for you with firefox 51 from mozilla.debian.net? for me it's always disabled, even in safe mode |
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| 08:44.59 | n4dir | lynx probably doesn't have much dependencies. download the deb packages from packages.debian.org and install them with dpkg. perhaps ? |
| 08:45.22 | apostolis | Yes, that is what I will probably do. |
| 08:45.34 | apostolis | But it is time consuming |
| 08:45.39 | n4dir | indeed |
| 08:46.12 | n4dir | wondering if any other cli browser is installed per default. |
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| 08:49.53 | Donquixote | How can I add an AppImage to the menu? |
| 08:50.41 | n4dir | if update-grub doesn't do it? |
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| 09:00.18 | oiaohm | Donquixote: it one of the bugs with appimage https://musescore.org/en/node/108396 there is example here of a person writing there own .desktop file to spec and adding tht. |
| 09:00.54 | oiaohm | Donquixote: compared to some of the other problems of attempting to make application run on multi distributions its not too bad. |
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| 09:09.14 | Donquixote1 | How can I change the standard browser? I did it about fifty times already within Chromium, but nothing happened |
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| 09:10.22 | n4dir | https://wiki.debian.org/HOWTO/DefaultWebBrowser |
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| 09:11.50 | Donquixote | How do I do it on Xfce? :x |
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| 09:12.20 | n4dir | the main thing is to use update-alternatives, which doesn't care about the DesktopEnvironment |
| 09:13.47 | n4dir | well: i think |
| 09:14.19 | Donquixote | I did it, but it doesn't work |
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| 09:14.26 | Donquixote | Do I have to restart the OS? |
| 09:15.56 | n4dir | i don't think so. if it doesn't work, i got no ideas, sorry |
| 09:15.59 | Donquixote | Also, is there any way to change th order of the programs in the Xfce taskbar? I am absolutely unsatisfied with how it is |
| 09:16.04 | Donquixote | Fuck =( |
| 09:16.39 | oiaohm | Donquixote: right click move? |
| 09:17.21 | Donquixote | I could change the standart Browser in the settings! |
| 09:17.33 | Donquixote | oiaohm: Nope. It simply stays there |
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| 09:20.29 | Donquixote | Another issue I had: I installed Debian originally with LXDE, and set up Redshift as a autostart application. Since then, I could not get into LXDE. How do I fix that? |
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| 09:20.40 | Donquixote | On Lubuntu, it worked perfectly fine |
| 09:20.45 | Donquixote | *have |
| 09:21.00 | n4dir | remove it from being autostarted again? |
| 09:21.13 | oiaohm | Donquixote: you mean the Xfce webbrowser entry its deleteable and that is exo-open what is xfce unique bit of configuration for custom selectable applications. |
| 09:21.26 | oiaohm | Yes at times you hate xfce for not following standards. |
| 09:21.49 | Donquixote | n4dir: How do I do that? |
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| 09:22.29 | Donquixote | I couldn't fine the command line for "Start applications for Lxsession" or what it's called |
| 09:22.36 | Donquixote | *find |
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| 09:23.30 | n4dir | my guess would be ~/.config/openbox/autostart or similar |
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| 09:24.29 | n4dir | cd && find . -iname '*autostart*' ; could help |
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| 09:25.34 | n4dir | no? |
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| 09:27.54 | Donquixote | I found ./.config/lxsession/LXDE/autostart |
| 09:28.00 | Donquixote | How do I start/edit it? |
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| 09:28.33 | Donquixote | Oh |
| 09:28.34 | Donquixote | I got it |
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| 09:29.38 | Donquixote | I edited it and will try it now |
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| 09:40.48 | Donquixote | Nope |
| 09:40.50 | Donquixote | Didn't work |
| 09:40.52 | n4dir | dang |
| 09:40.55 | Donquixote | I think LXDE is dead |
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| 09:41.56 | n4dir | well: you could rm (or first cp and then rm) all occurences of lxde/openbox/whatever in your home directory |
| 09:42.41 | n4dir | if i got it right they should be in .config, not in the top directory (/home/user/.[somestuff] ... |
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| 09:43.32 | Donquixote | I think I'll just get rid of LXDE and Xfce |
| 09:43.37 | Donquixote | I don't like that that much |
| 09:43.42 | Donquixote | KDE is cool |
| 09:43.51 | Donquixote | Or was when I used it two years ago |
| 09:44.01 | n4dir | still would make sense to remove the config files if you remove the environments anyway |
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| 09:44.16 | Donquixote | If I need some lightweight applications, I'll just start on Openbox session |
| 09:44.21 | Donquixote | For emulators and shit |
| 09:44.24 | Donquixote | Yeah |
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| 09:44.54 | n4dir | been ages i used kde, but i haven't heard of any dramatic changes (but then: as i don't use it i don't listen carefully). |
| 09:45.02 | Donquixote | Is there a command line that removes Xfce and LXDE in their entireties (expect Openbox), placing KDA as the main environment? |
| 09:45.09 | Donquixote | I might also get MATE |
| 09:45.35 | suexec | I am trying to set up a local repository for my LAN. Is there any way I can download a specific package and all its dependencies for a different architecture? (I have amd64 on server, and want to serve i386) |
| 09:45.37 | Donquixote | When I installen my 100% free Debian two years ago, I installed 4 desktop environments |
| 09:45.43 | Donquixote | LXDE, Xfce, KDE and MATE |
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| 09:46.00 | Donquixote | Making them kook like Win2000, WinXP, Win7 and MacOSX |
| 09:46.10 | Donquixote | I was especially proud about how KDE turned out |
| 09:46.14 | Donquixote | It looked so nice |
| 09:46.45 | Hanonim | Hi! |
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| 09:47.28 | Hanonim | I have an odd behavior using iptables. Using 'iptables -A INPUT -j DROP -p icmp -s localhost' appends the rule twice |
| 09:47.44 | Hanonim | but with '-s 127.0.0.1', only once (like expected) |
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| 09:48.25 | missmbob | Hanonim: iptables has a home in #netfilter |
| 09:49.15 | Hanonim | missmbob: thanks ! |
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| 09:52.39 | veek_ | why does ausyscall --dump not give info on connect and accept |
| 09:53.09 | veek_ | there's no bind |
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| 09:58.57 | Wzup | Yo guys. Where can I see what packages each dvd iso contains? There should be some form of site on debian where I can search for the packages and it will show me what dvd that contains it. ANyone knows? |
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| 09:59.48 | babilen | dpkg: cd content |
| 09:59.48 | dpkg | To find out which CD or DVD image contains a particular package or source file, use the search engine at http://cdimage-search.debian.org/ . To see what a specific image contains, examine the package lists within the list-{cd,dvd} subdirectories for the relevant architecture at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ (e.g. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/list-cd/). |
| 09:59.51 | babilen | Wzup: ^ |
| 10:00.20 | Wzup | babilen: there it is. Tyvm. |
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| 10:32.52 | ausinch | Shadow_7: are you there? |
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| 10:34.15 | veek_ | why doesn't ausyscall --dump|grep -i accept match it looks to be only on debian |
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| 10:44.07 | ausinch | dpkg cifs-utils |
| 10:44.07 | dpkg | ausinch: are you using Windows? |
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| 10:44.53 | ausinch | dpkg cifs-utils_2%3a5.5-1_amd64.deb |
| 10:44.54 | dpkg | ausinch: I wish you would RTFM. |
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| 10:45.59 | ausinch | %3a = ? |
| 10:46.20 | themill | : |
| 10:46.35 | ausinch | themill: Thanks |
| 10:46.44 | ausinch | dpkg cifs-utils_2:5.5-1_amd64.deb |
| 10:46.44 | dpkg | ausinch: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 10:47.07 | ausinch | dpkg cifs-utils_2 |
| 10:47.08 | dpkg | ausinch: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 10:47.11 | veek_ | guys how come: ausyscall --dump|grep -i accept doesn't work on debian |
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| 10:47.45 | veek_ | it works on RHEL |
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| 10:48.44 | themill | ausinch: asking a question might help |
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| 10:52.15 | ausinch | themill: Yeah - ongoing problem from yesterday. It was speculated that my kernel and /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/fs/cifs/cifs.ko were not matched causing cifs not to mount |
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| 10:52.46 | themill | ausinch: did you install a kernel update and not reboot? |
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| 10:53.02 | ausinch | I will get back to asking more questions when I get time - - have to run now for an apointment |
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| 10:56.31 | ausinch | themill: lots of reboots between each change/update |
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| 11:01.30 | jcplouf | hi, in tput, the reset color command, tput sgr0, prints "\E[m\E(B" - any idea what the "\E(B" part is/does? |
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| 11:56.43 | BluesKaj | Hey folks |
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| 11:57.52 | tdn | I just upgraded to debian 8 and noticed that no ed25519 host key is generated for SSH server on upgrade. How do I manually generate this ssh host key after upgrade? |
| 11:58.36 | tdn | Can I just run: ssh-keygen -q -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_ed25519_key -N "" -t ed25519 ? |
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| 12:08.25 | jolt | tdn: Yeah, that should work |
| 12:08.38 | tdn | jolt, thanks |
| 12:08.50 | tdn | Maybe this should be done automatically on upgrade |
| 12:08.55 | tdn | Or some systems may never be upgraded |
| 12:09.18 | bezaban | yeah, file a bug if it isn't already :) |
| 12:09.46 | bezaban | or documented in the dist upgrade docs |
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| 12:11.11 | jolt | I don't have one on my upgraded server, but it doesn't seem to matter here |
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| 12:33.44 | reev | Hi how can i run services in particular order like I want to run mysql after dnsmasq at boot time? |
| 12:34.38 | phicode | ~reev editing run-time init script |
| 12:35.27 | phicode | if you've got system-D good luck with that! |
| 12:35.40 | phicode | lol |
| 12:36.10 | Shadow_7 | Or bring it all down after boot and start to taste |
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| 12:40.36 | ausinch | Hi Shadow_7 yesterday you helped me determine that the cifs mod was not loading - possibly due to a wrong version in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/fs/cifs/ how do i correct this? |
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| 12:41.34 | Shadow_7 | ausinch: I would imagine... apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-amd64 |
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| 12:42.17 | Shadow_7 | ausinch: plus whatever you need for your rap song... while the real /boot/ please stand up. |
| 12:42.26 | Shadow_7 | s/while/will/ |
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| 12:42.54 | FinalX | phicode: it's actually much easier with systemd than it was than "just editing the init scripts", because you won't have to touch those scripts; you can make a simple override-file that just requires dnsmasq to be up before you start mysql |
| 12:43.17 | FinalX | s/than/with/2 |
| 12:43.22 | ausinch | Shadow_7: yeah, i found there was just the one /boot/ after all |
| 12:44.58 | phicode | ill take your word for it, I've never tried |
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| 12:45.15 | phicode | havent used Linux in ages |
| 12:45.53 | phicode | Got turned off in a big way years back and am only now using it because I cant use dd anywhere else ;) |
| 12:46.41 | FinalX | uses a lot of different OS's and distro's |
| 12:46.54 | phicode | same. ;) |
| 12:47.23 | FinalX | people have looked at me funny at my department for years for using Windows as desktop OS on my laptop while I administer over a thousand Linux (and formerly *BSD) servers :) |
| 12:47.31 | FinalX | now they just shrug |
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| 12:47.44 | FinalX | I like OS X as well, but it's not productive for me |
| 12:47.46 | missmbob | !chat |
| 12:47.46 | dpkg | This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net. |
| 12:47.46 | phicode | im partial to Freedos because it can use things like Norton Commander and Midnight Commander and brings back many unfond memories of MSDOS |
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| 12:48.39 | phicode | mutters "Ya mine furor!" |
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| 12:54.10 | stoned | huh |
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| 12:54.47 | stoned | The only productive OS for the stoned guy, is the debian one. |
| 12:55.07 | stoned | Windows, has distractions. Solaris/indiana are not good for desktops. Freebsd is not good for desktops. |
| 12:55.22 | stoned | Debian has all the goodness, and not the crappiness of the rest of them operating systems. |
| 12:55.31 | stoned | For the stoned, I mean. For you, whatever works. |
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| 12:56.07 | Shadow_7 | I use cwm for my desktop that is a BSD wm with a portable version. |
| 12:56.19 | Iridos | missmbob, tsk, tsk⦠that factoid calls chanserv a liar⦠notte goode. |
| 12:56.38 | ausinch | Shadow_7: ran "apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-amd64" - rebooted - lsmod | grep cifs shows nothing loaded |
| 12:56.55 | stoned | why use cifs in kernel module? |
| 12:56.59 | Shadow_7 | ausinch: it doesn't load until you try to mount with it |
| 12:56.59 | stoned | I don't understand this. |
| 12:57.05 | Iridos | but yeah⦠keep focused around technical problems with debian |
| 12:57.20 | Shadow_7 | ausinch: or you manually modprobe it. or it loads at boot from /etc/modprobe entry |
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| 13:00.32 | ausinch | I have mounts in /etc/fstab that have worked for years until an update last week |
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| 13:00.47 | pila | someone used pssh with more than 25+ servers? i had no problems managing 10 servers but with 25+ i get timeouts and some commands are not transferred to some serves |
| 13:00.53 | ausinch | i just tried a manual mount again - always the same error: |
| 13:00.58 | Shadow_7 | ausinch: then modprobe cifs and check dmesg |
| 13:01.08 | stoned | There should be a channel for debian people with beards. only beards. |
| 13:01.09 | ausinch | mount error: cifs filesystem not supported by the system |
| 13:01.11 | ausinch | mount error(19): No such device |
| 13:01.13 | ausinch | R |
| 13:01.16 | stoned | I use samba. |
| 13:01.21 | stoned | I have never had to mess w/ kernel/cifs stuff |
| 13:01.56 | stoned | I mount samba/cifs shares from windows all the time. |
| 13:02.06 | stoned | never had to deal w/ kernel stuff. What are you doing? |
| 13:02.09 | stoned | If I maybe ask |
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| 13:03.16 | Shadow_7 | ausinch: ls /boot/ and uname -r... make sure you're running the kernel you think that you're running. |
| 13:04.15 | Shadow_7 | ausinch: also... find /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/ -iname '*cifs*' ... you might have more than one copy of the module there and the wrong one loads or fails to load. |
| 13:05.00 | ausinch | modprobe cifs: ERROR: could not insert 'cifs': Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| 13:05.02 | ausinch | dmesg: [ 695.787160] cifs: Unknown symbol setattr_prepare (err 0) |
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| 13:06.45 | Shadow_7 | ausinch: that's normally something that happens when you use a module not built for your kernel. I would rm that module and --reinstall and see if it actually is part of the package. |
| 13:07.10 | pila_ | hello is this a really high value on a 4c / 8t machine? load average: 63.47, 37.15, 47.82 |
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| 13:08.58 | ausinch | s /boot/: config-3.2.0-4-amd64 grub initrd.img-3.2.0-4-amd64 lost+found System.map-3.2.0-4-amd64 vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 13:09.00 | ausinch | uname âÂÂr: 3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 13:09.02 | ausinch | find /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/ -iname '*cifs*' : /lib/modules/3.2.0-4-amd64/kernel/fs/cifs |
| 13:09.04 | ausinch | /lib/modules/3.2.0-4-amd64/kernel/fs/cifs/cifs.ko |
| 13:09.16 | missmbob | that's not a debian kernel |
| 13:09.42 | missmbob | oh by bad, misread |
| 13:10.47 | pila_ | anyone? |
| 13:11.21 | NiLon | pila_ well it's high, more than your system can handle |
| 13:12.01 | pila_ | mhh |
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| 13:13.01 | NiLon | pila_ but depending of the load it might not cause any problems |
| 13:13.21 | pila_ | i think it comes from my php-fpm children |
| 13:13.46 | NiLon | then you should see longer loading times |
| 13:13.47 | Shadow_7 | ausinch: using wheezy? |
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| 13:14.17 | pila_ | i have 250 php fpm children |
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| 13:14.36 | pila_ | if i am using less, i get lots of socket not available errors in nginx, but increasing it it drives my load very high |
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| 13:15.50 | NiLon | you should maybe tune down how many requests nginx is processing |
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| 13:17.41 | Shadow_7 | ausinch: have you rebooted? |
| 13:17.43 | ausinch | Shadow_7:yes |
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| 13:18.05 | ausinch | Shadow_7: lots of rebooting |
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| 13:21.21 | ausinch | Shadow_7: Debian GNU/Linux 7.4.0 _Wheezy |
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| 13:21.33 | stoned | I remember potato. |
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| 13:21.34 | Shadow_7 | ausinch: do you have "other" kernels available to you? It appears to be a kernel issue that one is broke for all intents |
| 13:21.55 | stoned | I fulltime started debian on ALL my home pc when sarge was announced testing. |
| 13:22.17 | stoned | Waiting for stretch. |
| 13:22.20 | Shadow_7 | ausinch: it could just be that the initrd image didn't update, or the bootloader is using the wrong one. |
| 13:22.22 | ausinch | No I tidied up apt-get auto-remove |
| 13:22.53 | Shadow_7 | ausinch: is cifs-utils still installed? |
| 13:22.54 | stoned | http://sprunge.us/TPAS <- here is an upgrade script I wrote. |
| 13:23.07 | stoned | Well, modified from the idea of another. |
| 13:23.40 | ausinch | Shadow_7: yes i have removed - purged - installed again |
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| 13:26.08 | Shadow_7 | ausinch: have you depmod -a ?, technically the pm does that for you. |
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| 13:27.22 | ausinch | Shadow_7: I have not - tring now |
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| 13:28.12 | Shadow_7 | ausinch: might be some /boot/ stuff going on too. Like /boot on it's own partition and not mounted when you reinstalled. So the external partition that the bootloader uses has the OLD kernel, but the mount point /boot/... has the new one. |
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| 13:33.30 | ausinch | Shadow_7: cross checking with fdisk -l & df -h |
| 13:34.35 | Shadow_7 | ausinch: it should be in /etc/fstab if used (correctly). Probably with a ,noauto |
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| 13:35.10 | Shadow_7 | ausinch: otherwise it's a partition and you shouldn't have many of those (in theory). # blkid |
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| 13:36.41 | ausinch | Shadow_7: yesterday I checked fstab against a month old fstab. The UUID is the same so I presume the /boot/ location is the same. |
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| 13:37.45 | Shadow_7 | ausinch: mount /boot/ and do the --reinstall thing again. |
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| 13:38.07 | Shadow_7 | ausinch: if /boot/ is not mounted, check that /boot/ is empty before you mount it. |
| 13:39.13 | ausinch | mount /boot: mount: /dev/sda1 already mounted or /boot busy |
| 13:39.15 | ausinch | mount: according to mtab, /dev/sda1 is already mounted on /boot |
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| 13:39.55 | Shadow_7 | ausinch: can you umount it? and check the /boot is empty |
| 13:40.03 | Shadow_7 | s/the/that/ |
| 13:40.49 | ausinch | Shadow_7: done and it is empty |
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| 13:44.57 | Shadow_7 | ausinch: and /boot/ points at that partition? You may need to re-install the bootloader if there are other /boot/ things in play. |
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| 13:45.35 | ausinch | Shadow_7: i think you are on the right track. i see boot is now /dev/sda1. BUT I think yesterday it may have been /dev/sdc1 |
| 13:45.44 | Shadow_7 | ausinch: otherwise my last guess is that /boot/vmlinuz and the /boot/initrd are mismatched. check timestamps on those. |
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| 13:46.28 | Shadow_7 | ausinch: they swap around, and why you use UUID in /etc/fstab... blkid helps to fill in those details |
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| 13:48.52 | p3rs3us | hey guys, I have this software (known as smartgit) asking me for Java 1.8. For those on debian stable what does it mean? |
| 13:48.59 | ausinch | Shadow_7: sorry, are you saying I should not use UUID - i thought there is no chance of moving using this method |
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| 13:49.48 | missmbob | p3rs3us: install openjdk-8-jre from jessie-backports |
| 13:50.03 | ausinch | Shadow_7: i checked the UUID of /boot a year ago and it was the same |
| 13:50.03 | p3rs3us | missmbob, hmmm |
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| 13:50.26 | Hanonim | it looks like vim doesn't read /etc/vim/vimrc when it starts, is that normal ? |
| 13:51.01 | missmbob | p3rs3us: https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 13:51.06 | petn-randall | Hanonim: What does the man page say? |
| 13:51.15 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:51.18 | stoned | It's here, I think |
| 13:51.26 | stoned | I looked at man vim, and botom of page lists all the files. |
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| 13:51.50 | p3rs3us | missmbob, thank i will try to get it |
| 13:52.05 | stoned | petn-randall: when in doubt, consult the "Man". |
| 13:52.15 | stoned | I mean Hanonim |
| 13:52.18 | Shadow_7 | ausinch: otherwise building your own custom kernel might be a viable solution. |
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| 13:53.04 | Hanonim | right, i was mislead because /etc/vim/vimrc actually exists on my system |
| 13:53.35 | ausinch | Shadow_7: or distro upgrade ? . . . . |
| 13:53.35 | Hanonim | thanks ! |
| 13:53.44 | stoned | Hanonim: really? |
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| 13:53.55 | stoned | Hanonim: is this a debian or debian derivative? |
| 13:54.04 | Hanonim | stoned: raspbian, to be honest |
| 13:54.11 | p3rs3us | missmbob, thanks again. It worked. |
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| 13:54.18 | missmbob | p3rs3us: np |
| 13:54.21 | stoned | Hanonim: it's not supported here. We only support debian. |
| 13:54.31 | stoned | I knew it wasn't a Debian! |
| 13:54.33 | stoned | :) |
| 13:54.53 | Hanonim | stoned: my bad ! since they are pretty similar... thanks anyway |
| 13:54.58 | stoned | np |
| 13:55.01 | stoned | I think they have a channel |
| 13:55.05 | stoned | !raspbian |
| 13:55.06 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
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| 14:01.59 | Shadow_7 | ausinch: a distro upgrade would have a new and potentially not broken cifs module |
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| 14:03.28 | BluesKaj | raspbian is a nice OS, works well on the rpi3, especially if you have / on a USB and use the sdcard strictly for booting |
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| 14:08.59 | petn-randall | BluesKaj: The SD card reader is quite slow, but then again you usually don't boot those things too often. |
| 14:09.35 | Shadow_7 | or load things of enough size to be adversely affected by the card reader |
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| 14:12.16 | BluesKaj | petn-randall, I decided to move the / to a usb after my first sdcard died from too many formats after trying different OSs and desktops |
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| 14:19.18 | dannyLopez | I try to change the $JAVA_HOME to /opt/jdk/jdk1.8.0_121/ but echo $JAVA_HOME don show me nothing |
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| 14:20.58 | petn-randall | dannyLopez: How are you trying to change it? |
| 14:22.41 | dannyLopez | petn-randall: editing /etc/profile and add 3 lines |
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| 14:24.20 | petn-randall | dannyLopez: Which 3 lines? Details matter! |
| 14:24.50 | dannyLopez | JAVA_HOME=/opt/jdk/jdk1.8.0_121/ PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin:$JAVA_HOME/bin export JAVA_HOME export JRE_HOME and |
| 14:25.22 | dannyLopez | JAVA_HOME=/opt/jdk/jdk1.8.0_121/ > PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin:$JAVA_HOME/bin > export JAVA_HOME > export JRE_HOME and export PATH |
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| 14:25.41 | dannyLopez | Add this 4 lines, jajaja, sorry |
| 14:26.54 | bezaban | did you invoke a new login shell after that? bash -l ? |
| 14:27.02 | bezaban | or logout/login |
| 14:27.27 | bezaban | or source .profile I guess |
| 14:27.39 | dannyLopez | login shell, yes, logot/in no |
| 14:27.48 | bezaban | so you did a bash -l? |
| 14:27.55 | dannyLopez | source .profile, no have idea |
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| 14:29.22 | dannyLopez | Why only works in bash -l? http://pastebin.com/i30jRBCi |
| 14:29.39 | bezaban | dannyLopez: the difference is between a login shell and a non-login shell. Non-login shells only apply .bashrc |
| 14:30.12 | bezaban | also what is the difference between 'su -' and 'su' |
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| 14:31.49 | dannyLopez | To apply this change to all system, need logout/in in the OS? |
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| 14:32.22 | bezaban | to the user you edited, yeah |
| 14:32.26 | bezaban | for. |
| 14:32.35 | bezaban | not good with words, multitasking :) |
| 14:33.14 | dannyLopez | :) |
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| 14:35.30 | zykotick9 | bezaban: regarding "su -" that fakes a login, thus paths get updated (so for instance, bash's autocomplete shows root's completion abilities, where su does not) |
| 14:36.11 | bezaban | zykotick9: my point exactly :) |
| 14:36.13 | dannyLopez | The thing is, I tried to follow a tutorial of DHIS2 in Ubuntu, but I use Debian, and a instruction say "Next edit the file tomcat-dhis/bin/setenv.sh and add the lines below. The first line will set the location of your Java Runtime Environment" |
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| 14:36.46 | john_rambo | I am trying to convert a video.... I am using Avidemux.....FOr Video I am using "Copy" and for Audio I have selected MP3.....The encoding process completes without any error but WHen I play the output file there is no audio file |
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| 14:37.23 | petn-randall | not only is there a difference between login/non-login shell, there's also interactive vs non-interactive, so you end up having four different combinations sourcing different files. |
| 14:37.50 | dannyLopez | Obviously I have install Oracle Java, because OpenJDK dont work. |
| 14:38.29 | jhutchins_wk | bezaban: the dash causes the target user's (root's) environment to be loaded just like a login. Without - it only changes the UID. So many new users had problems with this that they hacked su so that for root it always applies the environment. su - is a better habit for cross-platform compatibility. |
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| 14:38.33 | BluesKaj-pi | john_rambo, think you nneed to choose the format the audio is in atm, if you didn't record it in mp3 then it has to be converted to mp3 |
| 14:38.51 | jhutchins_wk | Ah lag. |
| 14:40.19 | paw | Hi, question. I need a kernel module built in my current running default Debian kernel (not enabled by default), how can I do this? |
| 14:40.43 | john_rambo | BluesKaj-pi, I source file's audio is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opus_%28audio_format%29 |
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| 14:40.59 | petn-randall | paw: You usually just install the corresponding kernel-headers and starting compiling. What module do you need? |
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| 14:44.05 | BluesKaj-pi | john_rambo, does Avidemux have opus audio format as an option? |
| 14:44.15 | john_rambo | BluesKaj-pi,No |
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| 14:44.59 | john_rambo | I want to keep the video (h.264) and convert the audio to mp3 |
| 14:45.03 | john_rambo | BluesKaj-pi, |
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| 14:46.29 | paw | petn-randall: tcg_vtpm_proxy |
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| 14:48.22 | dannyLopez | The last question: If I logout to all system or reboot, in the next login the changes works to all system and users? |
| 14:48.32 | BluesKaj-pi | john_rambo, you'll have to find a converter or a Video editor that can handle opus to mp3 conversion, or perhaps you could convert the audio file separately |
| 14:49.53 | john_rambo | BluesKaj-pi, WinFF can do that but it converts both the Video and Audio... No option to keep the Video and encode the audio only |
| 14:51.46 | jhutchins_wk | paw: Several of the more common ones are set up to use dkms, which builds them automatically and rebuilds if the kernel gets updated. |
| 14:51.51 | jhutchins_wk | !dkms |
| 14:51.51 | dpkg | Dynamic Kernel Module Support (DKMS) is a framework for generating out-of-tree Linux kernel modules. Packages using DKMS build modules during installation and when updated Linux versions are installed, provided Linux kernel headers are present (these are not installed by dkms). DKMS-managed modules are installed to /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/updates/dkms/ . The module build log file is at /var/lib/dkms/$module/$version/build/make.log |
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| 14:59.34 | jhutchins_wk | john_rambo: You could look at ffmpeg, and you might want to look at the packages from deb-multimedia.org - sometimes they have additional formats enabled. |
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| 15:00.04 | Donquixote | Is there an AddOn like "HTML5 everywhere" for Chromium? |
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| 15:00.42 | john_rambo | jhutchins_wk, deb-multimedia.org is added ....I have installed avidemux from deb-multimedia.org |
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| 15:01.54 | han-solo | i though ffmpeg was deprecated :/ |
| 15:02.28 | doubledutch | han-solo: through standards or amount of use today? |
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| 15:02.56 | pepee | you mean replaced by libav= |
| 15:02.59 | pepee | ? |
| 15:03.16 | han-solo | yeah, libavconv |
| 15:03.22 | han-solo | no? |
| 15:04.18 | pepee | there was some drama there, I have no idea how it ended |
| 15:04.27 | han-solo | hmm |
| 15:04.33 | pepee | apparently, the devs moved back to ffmpeg or something |
| 15:05.21 | han-solo | okay |
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| 15:07.16 | petn-randall | Donquixote: What does it do? Is it still needed in this time and day? |
| 15:07.22 | doubledutch | I use it |
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| 15:07.48 | Shadow_7 | You can extract the video and audio and edit the audio and remux the video and altered audio together. |
| 15:08.32 | Shadow_7 | There's -sn -an -vn flags for no subtitles, audio, video, and -codec:a copy, -codec:v copy... with avconv a fork of ffmpeg |
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| 15:09.03 | Shadow_7 | You'll still need to install the opus codec to use it though. |
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| 15:10.08 | jhutchins_wk | ,v ffmpeg |
| 15:10.09 | judd | Package: ffmpeg on amd64 -- wheezy: 6:0.8.17-2; wheezy-security: 6:0.8.20-0+deb7u1; jessie-backports: 7:3.2.4-1~bpo8+1; sid: 7:3.2.4-1; stretch: 7:3.2.4-1; wheezy-multimedia: 8:1.0.10-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 10:2.6.9-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 10:3.2.4-dmo2 |
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| 15:10.33 | jhutchins_wk | No official jessie package. I think upstream stalled or something. |
| 15:10.50 | Shadow_7 | it's libav-utils on jessie |
| 15:11.05 | Shadow_7 | libav-tools actually |
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| 15:12.10 | jhutchins_wk | There's some sort of 'why is ffmpeg not in jessie' function on one of the bots but I'm not sure how to address it. |
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| 15:13.10 | doubledutch | are you saying my LAME scripts don't work anymore? |
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| 15:13.30 | doubledutch | wrote hooks into an entire network for that, am I behind on the times? Jesus |
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| 15:14.25 | Shadow_7 | they mostly work, just avconv instead of ffmpeg. # ln -s /usr/bin/avconv /usr/bin/ffmpeg ????? |
| 15:14.54 | Shadow_7 | there are some CLI syntax differences though |
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| 15:15.59 | Shadow_7 | or wait until stretch when ffmpeg returns |
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| 15:18.01 | han-solo | , libav-tools |
| 15:18.13 | han-solo | ,v libav-tools |
| 15:18.14 | judd | Package: libav-tools on amd64 -- wheezy: 6:0.8.17-2; wheezy-security: 6:0.8.20-0+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 6:10.1-1~bpo70+1; jessie-security: 6:11.8-1~deb8u1; jessie: 6:11.8-1~deb8u1; jessie-backports: 7:3.0.2-4~bpo8+1; jessie-backports: 7:3.2.4-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 7:3.2.4-1; sid: 7:3.2.4-1; wheezy-multimedia: 8:1.0.10-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 10:2.6.9-dmo1 |
| 15:19.10 | doubledutch | Thanks Shadow_7 |
| 15:19.39 | doubledutch | That makes a lot of sense, reviewing the scripts and it's mostly good |
| 15:19.59 | somiaj | jhutchins_wk: http://ircbots.debian.net/ is a useful search. libav seems to give some info |
| 15:20.13 | somiaj | or just get ffmpeg from jessie-backports |
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| 15:26.18 | jhutchins_wk | doubledutch: You can also install ffmpeg from backports. |
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| 15:26.36 | jhutchins_wk | Sorry. |
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| 15:48.02 | Iridos | hey, or he could install ffmpeg from backports⦠|
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| 15:51.15 | cronic | Anyone know where I can find some in depth documentation on dpkg and how it handles packages/broken packages? |
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| 15:53.16 | Iridos | the manpage⦠/usr/share/doc/dpkg ⦠the source? |
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| 15:54.33 | cronic | I was hoping for a TRM or something instead of combing through the source. |
| 15:54.43 | cronic | The manpage doesn't give me what Im looking for. |
| 15:55.12 | cronic | I broke several packages by using a repo, reverted back to standard debian repo and now I've got broken packages. |
| 15:55.31 | cronic | aptitude tried fixing them, sucked up 92GB of RAM and took the server down in the process. |
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| 15:55.46 | Iridos | it's mainly apt that tries to resolve dependencies, not dpkg |
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| 15:56.02 | cronic | Right but it looks like I need to do this manually. |
| 15:56.15 | cronic | Set the version of these packages to a lower version than testing and update from apt. |
| 15:56.18 | Iridos | re-installing is probably easier |
| 15:56.26 | Iridos | and ends up cleaner |
| 15:56.35 | cronic | I'd prefer not reinstalling the OS. |
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| 15:56.42 | cronic | netbase is one of the broken packages. |
| 15:56.47 | cronic | install --reinstall doesn't fix it. |
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| 15:56.52 | rockon | hello |
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| 15:57.52 | Shadow_7 | cronic: apt-get -f install |
| 15:57.59 | cronic | Tried it. |
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| 15:58.15 | cronic | Even aptitude can't fix these. |
| 15:58.19 | cronic | I borked it good. |
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| 15:58.32 | rockon | ethernet connection in debian and hp probook seems to have a problem. I have my hp probook dual booted with windows and debian 8, and whenever ethernet wire is connected on my laptop on windows a green light blinks on the port but not on debian |
| 15:58.38 | Shadow_7 | cronic: so what's in the way? you can dpkg -i --force /var/cache/apt/archives/package.deb to get past certain hurdles |
| 15:58.39 | rockon | it says ethernet disconnected |
| 15:59.28 | rockon | same happens with hp pavillion |
| 15:59.32 | rockon | and ubuntu |
| 15:59.32 | Shadow_7 | rockon: dhcp is by default on for windows, so whatever gets plugged in, automagically configures itself |
| 15:59.38 | cronic | Shadow_7, dpkg: error: unknown force/refuse option '/var/cache/apt/archives/package.deb' |
| 15:59.58 | Shadow_7 | rockon: running dhclient -4 -v eth0 or whatever applies probably brings it to an equivalent state |
| 16:00.03 | cronic | Shadow_7, not sure what's in the way. The packages that the repo installed are newer than Testing repo. |
| 16:00.08 | Shadow_7 | cronic: --force-all |
| 16:00.08 | Iridos | you could probably re-install into a chroot on a different partition using debootstrap |
| 16:00.12 | cronic | So it wont downgrade them, and it wont install some items. |
| 16:00.14 | cronic | Ill try that. |
| 16:00.25 | rockon | Shadow_7: dhcp comes into picture when eth0 link is ready i suppose? |
| 16:00.30 | Iridos | fixing dependencies with a lot of packages trying to break them is an uphill struggle |
| 16:00.38 | cronic | Shadow_7, No such file or directory. |
| 16:00.52 | Shadow_7 | cronic: man dpkg ... you can force individual aspects or just --force-all and to break it all, not best practices at this point basically. |
| 16:01.17 | cronic | I tried that as well with the broken packages. It just tells me it can't do that. |
| 16:01.32 | Shadow_7 | cronic: for the package that is failing, tab completion is your friend. It was not a literal command. |
| 16:01.33 | rockon | Shadow_7: in my case when i do dmesg, it says eth0 is not ready |
| 16:02.00 | Shadow_7 | rockon: perhaps you're missing firmware. $ dmesg | grep -i firm |
| 16:02.11 | jhutchins_wk | rockon: Please clarify, it works in Windows but not in Linux? |
| 16:02.16 | cronic | rockon, can you ifconfig eth0 up ? |
| 16:02.36 | jhutchins_wk | rockon: Also, how is the network configured? interfaces or network_manager? |
| 16:02.45 | rockon | cronic: u mean ip link set eth0 up |
| 16:02.47 | rockon | ? |
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| 16:03.02 | cronic | I still use ifconfig. lol |
| 16:03.04 | Shadow_7 | rockon: functionally equivalent probably |
| 16:03.17 | Shadow_7 | rockon: or ifup circa long ago |
| 16:03.52 | Shadow_7 | But if you're missing firmware, the driver doesn't function so futile |
| 16:04.20 | cronic | I still remember using ipfwadm for firewalling. |
| 16:05.01 | Shadow_7 | I remember debating ipchains or iptables, but ipchains was all but deprecated at that point anyway |
| 16:05.15 | rockon | Shadow_7: it behaves in a weird way. Sometimes it is eth0 is down and then i restart several times and then eth0 functions properly |
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| 16:05.50 | cronic | rockon, that almost sounds like hardware. Or a module failure. |
| 16:05.51 | rockon | Shadow_7: if it is a firmware problem, then this shouldn't happen |
| 16:06.13 | Shadow_7 | rockon: perhaps there's newer firmware that fixes that? or newer driver, probably on github. $ lspci -nnk | grep -i eth |
| 16:06.49 | rockon | cronic: i have consulted my friends and they have the same problem too |
| 16:07.02 | rockon | Shodow_7: your command returns : Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller [10ec:8168] (rev 07) |
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| 16:07.25 | Shadow_7 | rockon: heh... same ethernet here... but (rev 06) |
| 16:07.56 | Shadow_7 | rockon apt-get install firmware-realtek |
| 16:08.22 | rockon | Shadow_7:already the newest version |
| 16:08.43 | Shadow_7 | It can be quirky if the ethernet cable isn't top quality |
| 16:09.18 | Shadow_7 | Assuming that it works at all |
| 16:09.27 | rockon | Shadow_7: i don't think that is the problem because it works fine on windows |
| 16:09.50 | bolovanos | hithere |
| 16:09.50 | bolovanos | I have txt file, by doing "cat file.txt | grep xyz | less" i will get only subset of "less -> / -> xy" |
| 16:09.51 | rockon | Shadow_7: also my friends who have hp laptop are also experiencing this issue |
| 16:10.02 | Shadow_7 | Mine's working fine in linux, although slightly different (rev 06) |
| 16:10.15 | n4dir | the question is still how you configure internet connection, rockon via network-manager ? i am not sure if /etc/network/interfaces is still used (if yes, you can't use both, the file and a graphical network-manager) |
| 16:10.46 | rockon | Shadow_7: how can i install rev06? |
| 16:10.51 | n4dir | also what does "dhclient -v eth0" give (if it ain't connected, if it is first release with dhclient -r eth0) |
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| 16:10.57 | jhutchins_wk | n4dir: interfaces can still be used and should cause NM to ignore anything configured there (ie not manage it). |
| 16:11.13 | Shadow_7 | I configure mine manually by old methods... ifconfig eth0 192.168.2.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 mtu 1440 up && route add default gw 192.168.2.1 |
| 16:11.28 | rockon | n4dir: i use gui but /etc/network/interfaces is also present |
| 16:11.37 | Shadow_7 | rockon: (rev 06) via output of lspci, it's a hardware difference. |
| 16:11.58 | jhutchins_wk | rockon: If the interface is configured in interfaces, please pastebin the contents of that file. |
| 16:12.00 | jhutchins_wk | !paste |
| 16:12.00 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 16:12.10 | Shadow_7 | rockon: perhaps you need the amd64-microcode |
| 16:12.13 | n4dir | rockon: though jhutchins_wk says otherwise, i think using both, file and a gui network-manager can (can!) give problems |
| 16:12.58 | jhutchins_wk | n4dir: Expected behavior is if an interface (eth0) is configured in interfaces, NM will show it as "Not Managed". |
| 16:13.21 | Shadow_7 | I also manually stop all networking extras installed via service / systemctl, before I manually config the network. |
| 16:13.28 | n4dir | jhutchins_wk: fine for me. Just shooting some ideas where to look for the culprit |
| 16:13.56 | n4dir | won't hurt if he pastes his interfaces file, as you proposed |
| 16:14.24 | Shadow_7 | sounds more like the interface file is whatever the distro supplied. |
| 16:14.30 | jhutchins_wk | n4dir: I suspect it might be "auto" vs. "allow-hotplug". |
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| 16:16.15 | rockon | here's my interfaces file: http://pastebin.com/eyVaVMad |
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| 16:17.57 | n4dir | i can't see an entry for eth0 |
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| 16:18.12 | jhutchins_wk | rockon: Anything in /etc/network/interfaces.d/*? |
| 16:18.22 | Introoter | testing /amsg |
| 16:19.01 | rockon | jhutchins_wk: it's empty |
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| 16:21.08 | rockon | jhutchins_wk: n4dir: Shadow_7: any ideas? |
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| 16:21.39 | Shadow_7 | rockon: do you have any networking over that interface at all? |
| 16:21.55 | n4dir | connect via network-manager, if that's what you use. or for troubleshooting: dhclient -v eth0 (perhaps). |
| 16:22.05 | rockon | Shadow_7: i have wlan0 |
| 16:22.27 | Shadow_7 | rockon: and $(ifconfig a) shows eth0 ? |
| 16:22.38 | rockon | Shadow_7: yup |
| 16:22.52 | Shadow_7 | rockon: dhclient -4 -v eth0 |
| 16:23.04 | Shadow_7 | with root perms ofc... |
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| 16:23.14 | Shadow_7 | might drop your wlan0 in favor of ethernet |
| 16:24.02 | Donquixote | Is there a german debian channel? |
| 16:24.10 | n4dir | yes. |
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| 16:24.28 | Donquixote | Is it called #debian-de? |
| 16:24.38 | n4dir | dunno, just checking |
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| 16:25.33 | n4dir | looks like it's #deban.de ? (odd), probably on oftc |
| 16:25.43 | petn-randall | !de |
| 16:25.43 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 16:27.21 | rockon | Shadow_7: n4dir: i can successfully ping google.com now. But as i told u it sometimes works and sometimes won't. Behaves in a weird way. But since it is working now, i suppose i cannot troubleshoot the actual cause |
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| 16:27.56 | Shadow_7 | rockon: random-ness is either cable quality or other hardware / driver problems |
| 16:28.10 | n4dir | write down the given commands for troubleshooting when the problem occurs again, rockon |
| 16:28.30 | rockon | Shadow_7: what's amd64-microcde u mentioned earlier? |
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| 16:29.13 | Shadow_7 | Stuff that loads into the CPU for various arches. intel has one too ... packages intel-microcode or amd64-microcode |
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| 16:29.43 | Shadow_7 | Normally included in the initrd image of the kernel, or an additional entry on the bootloaders line for the initrd |
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| 16:30.36 | Shadow_7 | basically it's software for the hardware to help it cope with any known issues the hardware might have. |
| 16:30.55 | Shadow_7 | or in intels case, on some skews, to disable overclocking on non-K model cips |
| 16:30.58 | Shadow_7 | chips* |
| 16:31.53 | rockon | Shadow_7: so, isn't it installed by default? |
| 16:32.14 | Shadow_7 | it generally doesn't prevent the hardware from working, just helps it run better. |
| 16:32.20 | jhutchins_wk | rockon: Usually detected & installed, but not always. |
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| 16:32.44 | jhutchins_wk | rockon: You should see it loading in dmesg. |
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| 16:33.22 | n4dir | at least intel-microcode is non-free or contrib. so i am not sure if or how it should install automatically. |
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| 16:35.31 | rockon | Well, i just learned that amd64-microcode is also non-free |
| 16:35.38 | petn-randall | Shadow_7: Check the changelog of intel-microcode, there have been cases where they patched out certain CPU instructions. Which caused all kinds of processes to fail when you patched that at runtime. |
| 16:36.33 | Shadow_7 | I only know if the microcode because arch would have it and grub would only grab the .cfg for the microcode, and not include the kernel initrc image by default. |
| 16:36.53 | Shadow_7 | rendering arch not bootable |
| 16:36.56 | babilen | It's commonly forgotten for some reason |
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| 16:37.54 | Shadow_7 | It's always a good read to find the "undocumented" opcodes on sandpile.org |
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| 16:40.19 | Shadow_7 | s/if/of/ and it's not even a microsoft keyboard |
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| 16:41.10 | Shadow_7 | initrc instead of initrd... really need to upgrade my glasses. Or stop using the 6x13px neep variant font |
| 16:42.07 | rockon | haa |
| 16:42.11 | Shadow_7 | petn-randall: probably why intel is laying 12k employs this year. Or not |
| 16:42.48 | Shadow_7 | or was that last year. m$ 3k, intel 12k, hp 4k, oracle 1k, ... ... ... anyone out here hiring? |
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| 16:43.26 | Donquixote | n4dir: Thank you! |
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| 16:44.14 | n-iCe | hi |
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| 16:44.26 | n4dir | :-) |
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| 16:47.04 | jhutchins_wk | rockon: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html |
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| 16:47.42 | rockon | thanks a lot jhutchins_wk |
| 16:47.47 | it0 | Hi everyone, hope you're all doing fine :) |
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| 16:50.20 | raynold | ahh it's a wonderful day |
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| 16:52.37 | ambient | After upgrading the debian kernel, what are the next steps to point all the drivers, such as graphics, to the new kernel so that they may be used? |
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| 16:53.03 | Shadow_7 | reboot if all things are provided by the distro |
| 16:53.23 | Shadow_7 | otherwise recompile / install the non-distro supplied bits |
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| 16:55.12 | jhutchins_wk | ambient: If you have dkms modules they should recompile themselves on boot. |
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| 16:56.00 | drs | is there a way to build new kernels quicker than make deb-pkg (since that does a make clean, every time?) |
| 16:56.12 | ambient | jhutchins_wk, Regrettably, this did not happen. |
| 16:56.22 | jhutchins_wk | ambient: Mostly the "drivers" are kernel modules, and are supplied with the kernel. |
| 16:56.45 | jhutchins_wk | ambient: Just repeat the process you used to compile them in the first place. You'll need the new kernel headers. |
| 16:57.20 | Shadow_7 | drs: old school kernel making, but you bypass the package management that way. make localmodconfig && make modules_install && make install ... or whatever applies |
| 16:57.49 | ambient | jhutchins_wk, I did not compile the drivers in the first place, I installed them. |
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| 16:57.53 | Shadow_7 | drs: there's also ccache that might help speed things up even with make clean |
| 16:57.54 | drs | thanks Shadow_7 |
| 16:58.07 | drs | (well this is an intel atom) |
| 16:58.08 | n-iCe | I'm bored, what can I do with my Debian system? |
| 16:58.15 | ambient | jhutchins_wk, When you say new kernel headers, what do you mean? |
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| 16:58.41 | Shadow_7 | drs: and older one? cmoov missing? |
| 16:58.42 | petn-randall | n-iCe: You could start fixing bugs for stretch :) |
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| 16:59.31 | Shadow_7 | or install flash and welcome your neighboring netizens to take control of your system. |
| 16:59.42 | n-iCe | petn-randall: I don't think I know how to, would love though. |
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| 16:59.47 | n-iCe | I'm just a normal user. |
| 17:00.04 | petn-randall | n-iCe: Well, we all started as users at some point. Small steps :) |
| 17:00.20 | Shadow_7 | n-iCe: cp libflashplayer.so ~/.mozilla/plugins/ |
| 17:00.54 | drs | Shadow_7: no this is new.. using amd64, it's a baytrail |
| 17:00.57 | n4dir | n-iCe: networking is an interesting subject. bash (or shell ) scripting is an interesting subject. packaging too. etc. |
| 17:01.05 | Shadow_7 | :) ... just kidding of course. But there's lots of bugs or videos on various sites out there |
| 17:01.36 | n4dir | ssh, git. cool too |
| 17:01.37 | Shadow_7 | drs: trying to squeeze the most out of it? |
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| 17:01.52 | drs | Shadow_7: just trying to get it to work on something other than Windows 10. |
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| 17:02.12 | Shadow_7 | drs: does it not boot from USB? |
| 17:02.30 | drs | Shadow_7: everything works fine with efifb, just not inteldrm |
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| 17:02.44 | Shadow_7 | debian is pretty atom friendly IME. Even worked on my dads 1GB atom, that ubuntu crashed on while doing a simple dd |
| 17:03.10 | Shadow_7 | drs: intel-gpu-tools ? |
| 17:03.23 | drs | Shadow_7: i probably need to move to linux-next, even 4.10.1 isn't liking the i915 |
| 17:04.07 | Shadow_7 | drs: there's a list of required packages for ark.intel.com or dev. or something. The intel GPU has a few deps, probably not all of them are installed. |
| 17:04.24 | n-iCe | n4dir: problem is, I'm not a tech guy, I'm actually a Dentist lol, not sure why would I use bash, shell scripting for :p |
| 17:04.54 | n-iCe | I was thinking about, maybe install a software, change my DE, you know. |
| 17:05.03 | n4dir | n-iCe: shell scripting goes a long way. Just start somewhere and take it easy. |
| 17:05.16 | n4dir | http://mywiki.wooledge.org is good |
| 17:05.30 | n4dir | if i can script in 10 years i am fine |
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| 17:06.02 | n-iCe | how old are you? |
| 17:06.24 | n4dir | old. 46, and i didn't touch a PC before i was 36 ... :-) |
| 17:06.43 | n-iCe | and you code? |
| 17:06.44 | n4dir | n-iCe: but sure, if you care more for change DE or such. That is fun too. |
| 17:06.48 | n4dir | a little bit. |
| 17:06.55 | n-iCe | awesome! |
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| 17:07.04 | n4dir | i start, i stop, like that |
| 17:07.18 | n4dir | bash is ok to learn. all other languages are way beyond me |
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| 17:07.48 | drs | Shadow_7: i'm rebuilding the kernel with i915 driver debugging, we'll see what i can learn from that. |
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| 17:09.26 | Shadow_7 | drs: https://01.org/linuxgraphics/ the community for the intel drivers I guess... |
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| 17:12.17 | Shadow_7 | drs: mes3d, xserver-xorg-video-intel libdrm, cairo, libva-intel-vaapi-driver and other deps |
| 17:12.34 | ambient | jhutchins, http://pastebin.com/U5uDejff |
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| 17:14.28 | ambient | jhutchins_wk, http://pastebin.com/ceCiepce |
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| 17:15.13 | ambient | jhutchins_wk, , http://pastebin.com/U5uDejff |
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| 17:16.58 | ambient | ambient, Looks like the graphics driver does not like the kernel update, hence why I cannot get it to work |
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| 17:17.43 | ambient | jhutchins_wk, Looks like the graphics driver does not like the kernel update |
| 17:17.58 | towo` | fglrx will never build against kernel 4.9 |
| 17:18.06 | towo` | and btw, fglrx is a dead horse |
| 17:18.24 | towo` | you should really purge that crap and use radeon |
| 17:18.37 | ambient | towo`, So dual monitors are out of the question for linux 4.9? |
| 17:18.58 | towo` | the free driver has zero problems with dual monitor |
| 17:19.33 | ambient | towo`, The free drivers won't support my graphics card either |
| 17:19.49 | towo` | i would never believe that |
| 17:20.01 | towo` | lspci | grep -i VGA |
| 17:20.06 | ambient | towo`, What graphics card do you have? |
| 17:20.26 | towo` | ambient, does it matter? |
| 17:20.42 | towo` | r7 something |
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| 17:20.50 | ambient | 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Kaveri [Radeon R7 Graphics] |
| 17:21.03 | ambient | 01:00.0 VGA compatible con01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Oland PRO [Radeon R7 240]troller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Oland PRO [Radeon R7 240] |
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| 17:21.33 | ambient | 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Kaveri [Radeon R7 Graphics] |
| 17:21.47 | towo` | radeon does support that card |
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| 17:22.58 | towo` | and since it is hybrid graphics you can use dri offloading for switching between the chips |
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| 17:23.31 | ambient | towo`, You installed the radeon graphics on debian? |
| 17:23.43 | towo` | radeon comes pre installed |
| 17:23.58 | towo` | you need firmware-amd-graphics from backports |
| 17:24.07 | ambient | I have all that installed |
| 17:24.14 | ambient | already |
| 17:24.48 | towo` | but as long you have installed that fglrx crap, it will not work propper |
| 17:24.52 | ambient | I was excited there for a moment, I thought you were going to tell me AMD has something operational to install |
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| 17:26.18 | ambient | AMD is still lightyears away from decent graphics drivers for GNU/Linux |
| 17:26.41 | ambient | Windows is still king for graphics drivers stuff |
| 17:26.49 | ambient | ugh |
| 17:26.53 | towo` | if you think so |
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| 17:27.21 | towo` | many people, include myself, have no problems with amd graphics |
| 17:27.22 | ambient | towo`, I do video work, I am VERY interested in getting my graphics drivers operational |
| 17:27.36 | towo` | my notebook, even with hybrid graphics, is working fine |
| 17:27.52 | ambient | towo`, So you can select your graphics card in Blender? |
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| 17:28.32 | towo` | i can select the card for the app i want to start |
| 17:28.46 | ambient | towo`, So you can select your graphics card in Blender? |
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| 17:29.04 | towo` | i never seen blender, so i have no clue, what you mean |
| 17:29.19 | ambient | Exactly |
| 17:29.26 | towo` | i could start blender on the dgpu or igpu if it is that, what you mean |
| 17:30.32 | ambient | towo`, Blender is a 3d rendering program that also has video editing capabilities. It defaults to CPU, however,you can select your graphics card, if you have drivers for it |
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| 17:31.14 | towo` | ambient, then you should say, you want to use openCL |
| 17:31.25 | towo` | and that even should work with radeon |
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| 17:31.48 | ambient | should and what actually happens are two different things |
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| 17:32.19 | ambient | towo`, However, if you can kindly install Blender and tell us how you got the graphics card fired up, that would be a huge help |
| 17:32.31 | towo` | why should i? |
| 17:32.34 | ambient | You can blog about it and help lots of people |
| 17:32.46 | ambient | towo`, Uhh, to help lots of people? |
| 17:32.53 | towo` | i have no clue about, blender, videoediting or opencl |
| 17:33.01 | towo` | https://www.google.de/search?q=radeon+plender+opencl&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-ab&gfe_rd=cr&ei=fwW3WMiJE_LM8getxrnYDw |
| 17:33.09 | towo` | that say, it works |
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| 17:33.56 | ambient | "If you are using Blender on AMD, you probably have noticed that Cycles doesn't support AMD GPUs. " |
| 17:34.09 | ambient | towo`, You are absolutely right. |
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| 17:35.57 | gomoran | Has mysql been replaced by mariadb in testing? |
| 17:36.34 | ambient | AMD is still lightyears away from decent graphics drivers for GNU/Linux |
| 17:36.51 | ambient | towo`, Thanks for the fun chat |
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| 17:55.29 | FinalX | gomoran: it seems so |
| 17:55.45 | FinalX | in stretch, there's only mariadb and no mysql |
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| 17:56.17 | gomoran | FinalX: Yes, but is this temporary or permanent. |
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| 18:00.17 | FinalX | gomoran: since stretch is frozen, permanent |
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| 18:00.30 | gomoran | FinalX: O.K. Thanks |
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| 18:06.10 | lf94 | Hey, yesterday I totally destroyed the font system on my debian installation. Any ideas how to fix it? |
| 18:07.13 | dontknow | lf94, do you mean you broke the font rendering? |
| 18:07.22 | lf94 | I suppose |
| 18:07.36 | lf94 | All fonts are now defaulting to this serif monospace font |
| 18:07.47 | lf94 | I still have infinality, which is broken |
| 18:07.59 | lf94 | That was my main goal: to remove it |
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| 18:08.47 | dontknow | my font rendering had broken before. i had to reinstall |
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| 18:09.38 | lf94 | there must be a way to re-install the font packages |
| 18:09.42 | lf94 | and recreate the defaults |
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| 18:31.51 | alpharray | Hello |
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| 18:32.35 | alpharray | I am running debian as my main host, I have some IDE's running but I would like them to run their programs inside a Virtual Machine (Debian) |
| 18:32.57 | alpharray | I don't know how to accomplish this task... |
| 18:34.44 | dumbl3d0re | Differs from IDE to IDE. |
| 18:35.16 | dumbl3d0re | Probably easiest to ask in the IDE's support channels. |
| 18:35.25 | alpharray | dumbl3d0re: Oh, ok. Thanks |
| 18:35.53 | the_punisher | i have problem with ap-get |
| 18:36.14 | the_punisher | apt-get install wingw32 |
| 18:36.24 | alpharray | dumbl3d0re: is it possible to sync a directory with a virtual machine, so that everything moved, copied and modified in that directory is done in the virtual machine? |
| 18:36.26 | the_punisher | dont work |
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| 18:37.20 | dumbl3d0re | alpharray: You can share a directory between the host and VMs |
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| 18:38.18 | the_punisher | apt-get install wingw32 dont work |
| 18:38.59 | mtn | !doesn't work |
| 18:38.59 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
| 18:39.21 | dumbl3d0re | the_punisher: There's no package `wingw32` in Debian repos. https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=wingw32&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all |
| 18:39.28 | dumbl3d0re | Debian's |
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| 18:41.03 | the_punisher | where can i found this package |
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| 18:41.58 | dumbl3d0re | Ask the dev of the application. |
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| 18:43.58 | the_punisher | <dumbl3d0re> where can i found dev |
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| 18:44.17 | TomTomTo1 | ,i mingw32 |
| 18:44.19 | judd | Package mingw32 (devel, optional) in jessie/amd64: Minimalist GNU win32 (cross) compiler (transition package). Version: 4.9.1-19+14.3; Size: 1.5k; Installed: 2k; Homepage: http://www.gnu.org/software/gcc/ |
| 18:44.27 | TomTomTo1 | the_punisher: are you lookng for this? |
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| 18:46.25 | the_punisher | yes <TomTomTo1> |
| 18:46.25 | the_punisher | i will try this and gie the reponse |
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| 18:46.55 | the_punisher | but how can i download this |
| 18:47.15 | TomTomTo1 | you apt-get install it if you are on jessie. |
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| 18:59.26 | jhutchins_wk | ,v ningq32 |
| 18:59.27 | judd | No package named 'ningq32' was found in amd64. |
| 18:59.31 | jhutchins_wk | ,v wingq32 |
| 18:59.32 | judd | No package named 'wingq32' was found in amd64. |
| 18:59.41 | jhutchins_wk | Sheesh. |
| 18:59.54 | missmbob | kids, dont drink |
| 18:59.57 | jhutchins_wk | ,v mingw32 |
| 18:59.58 | judd | Package: mingw32 on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.2.1.dfsg-2; jessie: 4.9.1-19+14.3 |
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| 19:27.30 | OS-27110 | hey all, anyone know if i can use globs with Popen with shell=False? |
| 19:28.51 | dannyLopez | Im touching ay of update-rc.d and hope know if I can remove any script put here? |
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| 19:30.10 | greycat | dannyLopez: manual removal of the S* and K* symlinks from /etc/rc*.d/ directories is respected as you, the local sysadmin, making an explicit change, and Debian will not circumvent that. |
| 19:32.32 | somiaj | note if using systemd, those directories might not be respected, better to disable the corresponding units |
| 19:33.02 | greycat | Right, update-rc.d is a sysvinit thing, for wheezy and older, or for jessie+ packages that for whatever reason have not yet been migrated to systemd. |
| 19:33.31 | greycat | Or in other words, What are you trying to do? On what version of Debian? To what package? |
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| 19:35.08 | dannyLopez | Ok, try to aotu star a tomcat scrip, in stable. |
| 19:35.30 | dannyLopez | Auto* |
| 19:35.32 | greycat | "auto start"? |
| 19:35.43 | dannyLopez | Yes. |
| 19:35.44 | somiaj | you are most likely using systemd, so if you put the LSB script in /etc/init.d/ you should be able to see it with systemctl, but it would be more efficent to write a unit file |
| 19:35.47 | greycat | Is this script part of a Debian package, or are you doing this all from scratch? |
| 19:36.05 | somiaj | dannyLopez: do you want the script to run when tomcat is brought up/down normally? |
| 19:36.31 | dannyLopez | Tomcat is part of Debian, but the server DHIS no. |
| 19:37.22 | dannyLopez | I follow this tuto http://pastebin.com/PEBKVArz |
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| 19:38.06 | somiaj | that is kinda dated. |
| 19:38.56 | dannyLopez | :O |
| 19:39.10 | greycat | Unless you are *extremely* well versed in sysvinit and start-stop-daemon scripts on Debian for some reason, it is enormously easier to write a systemd unit file than to write a sysvinit script with all the LSB *bullshit* that Debian's sysvinit expects. |
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| 19:40.39 | OS-27110 | haha i thought i was in the offsec channel |
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| 19:40.45 | OS-27110 | fck sake :) |
| 19:41.06 | somiaj | dannyLopez: all that looks like it is doing is making a start up script for tomcat, does tomcat in debian not already come with a unit file to start/stop it on boot/reboot? |
| 19:42.18 | dannyLopez | somiaj: Tomcat yes, but tomcat-dhis no |
| 19:43.21 | somiaj | dannyLopez: the tomcat unit file should be in /lib/systemd/system/tomcat.service or something like that, copy it to /etc/systemd/system/tomcat-dhis.service and adjust it to what you need. |
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| 19:43.43 | greycat | You shouldn't copy a whole unit file to /etc/systemd/system/ |
| 19:43.55 | somiaj | greycat: why not? |
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| 19:44.00 | greycat | You should just make your tiny little local changes in /etc/systemd/system/foobar.service to override individual parts of the Debian one |
| 19:44.24 | somiaj | oh so both unit files would be used, I thought if you wanted local changes you copied the whole thing over. |
| 19:45.10 | dannyLopez | Ok, Ill try this somiaj, but now, how can I delete the 2 script that I put? |
| 19:45.20 | somiaj | dannyLopez: sure |
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| 20:13.03 | edeca | I am trying to build a custom Jessie CD using build-simple-cdd. However it fails because vim-tiny is not installable. This seems to be due to a security release of vim-common, which fails the ==version test. Is there any way to convince simple-cdd to honour or ignore security updates? |
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| 20:14.43 | Shadow_7 | edeca: do you have the jessie-updates in your sources.list too? Would jigdo suite your needs? |
| 20:15.05 | Shadow_7 | dpkg sources.list |
| 20:15.06 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
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| 20:17.20 | userro | I've detected a dependency incompatibility in between two packages |
| 20:17.22 | edeca | Shadow_7: Good point on jessie-updates. I'll check if simple-cdd includes that :) |
| 20:17.30 | userro | how to report it? |
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| 20:18.36 | userro | I mean two packages can't be installed at the same time |
| 20:18.52 | Shadow_7 | userro: which two? ipchains and iptables? wicd and network-manager? isc-dhcp-client and dhcpcd? |
| 20:19.06 | userro | 1 sec |
| 20:19.26 | edeca | Shadow_7: vim and emacs ;) Hah |
| 20:19.29 | Shadow_7 | Some are mutual exclusive by design |
| 20:19.44 | Shadow_7 | I have vim and emacs installed |
| 20:19.52 | missmbob | i have both installed |
| 20:20.13 | Shadow_7 | I want to use emacs, but bugs, so vim it is if I want things done. |
| 20:20.30 | missmbob | !bat |
| 20:20.30 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 20:21.21 | userro | libgcc1 and libstdc++6 |
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| 20:21.42 | userro | wait |
| 20:21.56 | missmbob | i have both of those as well |
| 20:22.01 | missmbob | you should follow bat |
| 20:22.09 | Shadow_7 | If $LINES > 256 and emacs -nw, then one page down maybe and locked up. |
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| 20:22.31 | userro | gcc-6-base |
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| 20:22.44 | userro | it is in stretch |
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| 20:23.07 | userro | gcc-6-base causes problem |
| 20:23.18 | userro | one wants only one version |
| 20:23.27 | userro | another wants other version |
| 20:24.09 | userro | ok |
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| 20:25.33 | userro | wait what |
| 20:25.43 | userro | it is now fixed |
| 20:25.50 | userro | wow thanks |
| 20:26.33 | userro | I swear they both wanted different versions before |
| 20:27.13 | userro | it still says that in my terminal error |
| 20:27.25 | userro | I'll not update it |
| 20:27.36 | userro | s/not/now |
| 20:28.59 | Shadow_7 | userro: you can have multiple gcc's. The default is whatever /usr/bin/gcc symlinks to. Or whatever environment vars are set to, but not always respected by the build scripts. CC, CXX, ... ... ... |
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| 20:29.55 | Shadow_7 | There can be issues with building something with multiple gcc versions. Like kernel things need to be built with the same gcc that built the kernel. |
| 20:30.37 | userro | ok |
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| 20:31.15 | Shadow_7 | In the end there can be only one ... ... ... (default) ... |
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| 20:42.49 | Plushwolf | Hello. As of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext4#Delayed_allocation_and_potential_data_loss , is it safe to use ext4 in a little environment that is 24/7 running? |
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| 20:44.08 | petemc | Plushwolf: lots of people, myself included, do |
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| 20:44.26 | alpharray | Hello |
| 20:45.09 | Plushwolf | And is it wise to use XFS for a little server? |
| 20:45.19 | petemc | i dont |
| 20:45.42 | Plushwolf | You dont what? |
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| 20:46.43 | missmbob | xfs is good for really large files. that's about it. |
| 20:46.56 | Shadow_7 | I've had issues with xfs. If you hard crash you may need to boot another linux to make / bootable again |
| 20:47.11 | Shadow_7 | Not such issues with ext4 and it can check/fix as part of booting it |
| 20:47.15 | missmbob | there's a reason ext4 is default |
| 20:47.50 | Shadow_7 | xfs is mildly faster on slow storage |
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| 20:48.41 | Plushwolf | We are running some QEMU machines, about 100 GB for each machine, not accessed 24/7 day, but 24/7 running, and I'm not sure what FS I should use. I tend to XFS, but I'm not sure ... |
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| 20:49.37 | Plushwolf | And I have read both ext4 and XFS have delayed allocation in RAM ... so where's the real difference? |
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| 20:52.49 | missmbob | Plushwolf: https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/33552/htg-explains-which-linux-file-system-should-you-choose/ |
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| 20:54.15 | Plushwolf | missmbob: Okay, thanks for the link ... so, ext4 looks like the standard to me, but is there a way to disable delayed allocation? |
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| 20:54.35 | jhutchins_wk | Plushwolf: I tend to like to stick pretty close to defaults. It makes it a lot easier to hand off administration to new people. |
| 20:54.52 | jhutchins_wk | Plushwolf: We use ext4 on several thousand high availability servers. |
| 20:54.57 | missmbob | Plushwolf: mount with data=journal |
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| 20:55.17 | Plushwolf | missmbob: Oh, data=nournal disables that? |
| 20:55.21 | Plushwolf | * journal |
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| 20:55.29 | missmbob | in ext4 it does. i dont know about xfs |
| 20:55.31 | alpharray | Hello |
| 20:55.38 | alpharray | I have two hosts running Debian |
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| 20:55.47 | alpharray | One is a VM and the other one is my main host |
| 20:55.58 | Plushwolf | missmbob: We have data=ordered at the moment, does this means that delayed allocation is forcefully enabled? |
| 20:56.03 | alpharray | I am trying to edit code on the main machine while running it over the VM |
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| 20:56.10 | alpharray | how should I do this? |
| 20:56.49 | missmbob | Plushwolf: i'm not sure. you'll want to look it up |
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| 20:57.16 | Plushwolf | missmbob: Okay, thank you very much |
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| 21:22.15 | chomwitt | that's my default iptable in debian 8 ( https://paste.debian.net/917521/ ) and it blocks incomming connection to ports like 8080 , 8011. When i flush it no problem. What chain'rule causes the issue? |
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| 21:22.38 | missmbob | chomwitt: iptables support is in #netfilter |
| 21:22.48 | tdn | In tinyca 0.7.5-5, there is a security bug that makes all certificates generated in this version use the broken sha1 algorithm and sha2 suite is not possible to use at all. This seems to be fixed in 0.7.5-6, but this version is NOT in stable. Only in testing. Since sha1 certs stopped working in all major browsers since January 2017, I think it is fair to say that this should be fixed in stable as a security up |
| 21:22.54 | tdn | date. How can I know if this is already happening? |
| 21:23.53 | tdn | I mean, should I report a bug on this? (likely already been done since it is fixed in testing) Or some other way to propose this fix be included in stable. It is a somewhat trivial fix according to the patch I have seen for this |
| 21:25.06 | missmbob | well that's the laste version of the software, so no |
| 21:25.10 | missmbob | latest* |
| 21:25.30 | chomwitt | missmbob: thanks |
| 21:25.30 | missmbob | you should be talking to the tinyca people about updating their software |
| 21:25.42 | tdn | missmbob, email to the maintainer of this package? |
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| 21:26.01 | missmbob | tdn: no, directly upstream |
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| 21:26.59 | peterS | missmbob: yes but debian already has that fix. Just not in stable. I think you're missing the point of tdn's question |
| 21:27.39 | missmbob | ok |
| 21:27.40 | peterS | as tdn notes, debian _did_ patch tinyca, but tdn thinks this bugfix is important enough to also be applied to the stable release. The question is, is this in progress, and if not, how to start the process of doing so |
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| 21:29.02 | peterS | tdn: the answer is, probably it is not being done. I see https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=759481 is closed and archived, and since it was only severity 'important', that's not considered high enough to risk a stable update |
| 21:29.03 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/759481 in tinyca (closed, patch): «tinyca: No support for SHA2 as a signature algorithm. SHA1 gets deprecated in 2016.»; severity: important; opened: 2014-08-27; last modified: 2016-01-31. |
| 21:29.17 | peterS | judd, thanks |
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| 21:55.12 | Donquixote | Why can't I get Twitter to run with Icedove |
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| 21:57.02 | the_punisher | how can i install all pachages of kali linux |
| 21:57.25 | mtn | the_punisher: aren't you running mint? |
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| 21:57.48 | mtn | the_punisher: debian won't support you, either |
| 21:58.48 | somiaj | the_punisher: in general you do not want to install .deb packages made for another os/distro, if running mint, install mint packages. |
| 21:59.18 | the_punisher | i running kali linux 2016.1 |
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| 22:00.06 | somiaj | !kali |
| 22:00.07 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
| 22:00.16 | somiaj | the_punisher: then you should use kali support to ask about how to install kali packages |
| 22:00.26 | Vlan | hello. Could anyone please help me with this error? "Package 'openjdk-8-jdk' has no installation candidate" |
| 22:00.35 | mtn | he said he was using mint a few minutes ago :P |
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| 22:01.13 | alpharray | Hello |
| 22:01.41 | alpharray | I am trying to use Shared Folders on a VM (Debian) on Virtual Box |
| 22:01.50 | alpharray | sudo mount -t vboxsf share /home/toto |
| 22:01.55 | the_punisher | where can i find kali support like you |
| 22:02.05 | alpharray | I am using that command and it is not working |
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| 22:02.41 | Shadow_7 | Vlan: openjdk-7-jdk exists. You can use java-package to create packages from oracles releases. |
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| 22:05.05 | Donquixote | I can't get Twitter to run with Icedove please help |
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| 22:06.48 | Vlan | Shadow_7: not sure exactly what you mean. I have two almost identical servers, from one I can install java 8, from the other I get this error. Same output in uname -a, same repos, same everything :( |
| 22:06.51 | the_punisher | <somiaj> |
| 22:07.44 | Shadow_7 | Vlan: are you sure they're the same? one have -backports? |
| 22:07.58 | Vlan | Shadow_7: it does not |
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| 22:08.06 | Shadow_7 | It's a virtual one on my vanille jessie install |
| 22:08.08 | Vlan | not in /etc/apt/sources.list anyways |
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| 22:10.40 | n4dir | post your sources list |
| 22:10.48 | n4dir | s/post/pastebinit |
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| 22:13.20 | Vlan | n4dir: http://pastebin.com/3JXVNmWU |
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| 22:14.46 | n4dir | i would call that a miracle. |
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| 22:15.21 | Vlan | n4dir: what you mean? |
| 22:15.30 | n4dir | oh, openjdk-8-jdk? |
| 22:15.35 | Vlan | yes |
| 22:15.45 | alpharray | Hello |
| 22:15.48 | Vlan | apt-get install openjdk-8-jdk |
| 22:16.02 | n4dir | i read 7, 7 is here. 8 ain't here. In that case the miracle is that it is to be found on your other machine |
| 22:16.02 | Vlan | it's supposed to be installable |
| 22:16.03 | qmr | Vlan: java is never the answer |
| 22:16.05 | alpharray | How can I configure a shared folder in debian virtual box? |
| 22:16.11 | missmbob | 8 is in jessie-backports |
| 22:16.20 | qmr | alpharray: plenty of docs on virtualbox site |
| 22:16.30 | qmr | you could also just do it with nfs / smb |
| 22:16.52 | Vlan | missmbob: sorry for the noob question, but how come a most recent version is in backports? |
| 22:17.17 | Vlan | qmr: I'm trying to install rundeck, which requires java |
| 22:17.19 | missmbob | Vlan: that's the point of backports. newer versions for stable system |
| 22:17.29 | alpharray | qmr: There is supposed to be something working on with the configuration I have. Runned: "sudo mount -t vboxsf share /home/..." but it is not recognizing vboxsf |
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| 22:17.39 | qmr | Vlan: again java is never the answer |
| 22:17.49 | qmr | alpharray: as in 'command not found' ? |
| 22:17.52 | Vlan | qmr: is it that bad? |
| 22:17.58 | qmr | Vlan: yes |
| 22:18.16 | keltim | Vlan, yes, but it's not like we have a choice |
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| 22:18.53 | Vlan | qmr: keltim: bad for the opensource community? |
| 22:19.00 | Vlan | or bad like the code is shit? |
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| 22:19.09 | alpharray | qmr: "Mount point share does not exist" |
| 22:19.10 | qmr | bloated, slow, and bloated |
| 22:19.23 | qmr | alpharray: do you understand what a 'mount point' is? |
| 22:19.34 | qmr | you need an empty directory to mount a block device (or whatever) on |
| 22:19.51 | alpharray | qmr: Not to be honest. |
| 22:20.04 | keltim | Vlan, just so many issues with it ... slow to start, slow to die, usually they're very messy and poorly packaged, apps take forever to warm up, etc. |
| 22:20.12 | qmr | also are you sure you're trying to mount from right spot? ( inside / outside the vm ) |
| 22:20.27 | alpharray | qmr: The thing is, I am trying to have my coding projects run on a VM and written in my main host. |
| 22:20.30 | keltim | enterprise java apps are without a doubt the most unprofessional crap I think I've ever seen |
| 22:20.39 | alpharray | qmr: I have heard that this is the best way to do it, not sure still. |
| 22:20.43 | missmbob | yeah android sucks |
| 22:21.01 | alpharray | qmr: I really don't know, guides say this is what I am supposed to do, but really don't know |
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| 22:21.12 | qmr | alpharray: yea years since I've messed with something like that. I would just do nfs or smb |
| 22:21.25 | qmr | alpharray: the naive thing to do is 'mkdir share' so that directory exists, then try mounting again |
| 22:21.48 | alpharray | qmr: already done that |
| 22:21.56 | qmr | didn't change the error message? |
| 22:22.02 | alpharray | Nah |
| 22:22.15 | qmr | restart the vm? |
| 22:22.15 | alpharray | qmr: should I just go into nfs? |
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| 22:22.21 | n4dir | alpharray: Guest Additions are installed? |
| 22:22.22 | alpharray | qmr: Like 10 times |
| 22:22.26 | alpharray | n4dir: yep |
| 22:22.35 | qmr | I would also suggest using dvcs and writing your code wherever |
| 22:22.54 | keltim | alpharray, I just use nfs with vbox |
| 22:23.05 | Vlan | qmr: keltim: I could look for an alternative to rundeck but I'm hardly finding anything. It must be opensource, of course. Do you guys happen to know any nice job automation software? |
| 22:23.07 | alpharray | I have no idea what smb, nfs or dvcs are, let me check if out |
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| 22:23.16 | qmr | idk what rundeck is |
| 22:23.17 | alpharray | keltim: thanks keltim. I am going to try |
| 22:23.26 | n4dir | alpharray: well, then ... the how-to looks easy enough (pretty much what you said). Been ages i fooled with VBox |
| 22:23.26 | Vlan | I know it's off topic, forgive me with that :) |
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| 22:23.49 | qmr | Vlan: https://www.reddit.com/r/devops/comments/3szdgz/which_rundeck_equivalent_is_better/ |
| 22:23.53 | alpharray | n4dir: Hahaha, shit happens |
| 22:23.56 | keltim | oh rundeck. I thought that was ssas ... |
| 22:24.20 | n4dir | alpharray: depending on what exactly you need either a simple rsync or sshfs are further options to share between guest and host |
| 22:24.40 | alpharray | n4dir: I need to compile my code in a virtual machine |
| 22:24.42 | alpharray | That is all |
| 22:24.54 | keltim | Vlan, I'm sure rundeck is alright, but we use saltstack (it has a pretty complete remote job scheduler built in). It doesn't have a nice gui or anything. |
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| 22:25.01 | n4dir | i guess in that case you will get away with rsync (or even something like filezilla) |
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| 22:25.16 | alpharray | n4dir: are they secure to use? |
| 22:25.35 | n4dir | imho they are (at least rsync or sshfs or anything based on ssh) |
| 22:25.36 | alpharray | n4dir: I think I will get into nfs and see how it goes |
| 22:25.42 | niggard | hello, debs, could anyone advice a simple tool for photo/image editing? |
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| 22:25.50 | alpharray | GIMP |
| 22:25.54 | n4dir | sure. I recall it gave me headaches, but perhaps for you it's easy |
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| 22:26.09 | alpharray | n4dir: That is not going to be the case |
| 22:26.10 | niggard | gimp is an overkill, it's too big for a simple task that I have (just scale an image down) |
| 22:26.26 | alpharray | n4dir: which one do you recommend for my scenario? |
| 22:26.33 | keltim | niggard, like what sort of editing tasks ... what is "simple"? |
| 22:26.35 | alpharray | I am mostly going to be running from pycharm |
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| 22:26.42 | koollman | niggard: it's pretty easy to do, though |
| 22:26.47 | n4dir | can't say, as i only know rsync and sshfs, i don't know nfs or samba or such |
| 22:27.10 | keltim | niggard, imagemagick's cli tools should be fine for that |
| 22:27.26 | niggard | keltim: I prefer GUI tools for such stuff |
| 22:27.26 | n4dir | most easy would probably be the shared folder of Vbox ... |
| 22:27.29 | peterS | niggard: yeah in particular 'mogrify' from the imagemagick package - see 'man mogrify', it can do a lot |
| 22:27.46 | niggard | awcrap, well, thanks, gimp it is then. |
| 22:28.00 | alpharray | n4dir: Let me attempt once again the shared folder option |
| 22:28.39 | n4dir | alpharray: the ubuntu how-to has a troubleshooting section https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox/SharedFolders#Troubleshooting |
| 22:29.12 | Shadow_7 | gimp, krita, and others for gui. imagemagick is good if you want to do a lot of little edits to many images. aaphoto is nice if you're not so good at color correction. |
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| 22:29.32 | niggard | Shadow_7: thanks! |
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| 22:31.06 | Shadow_7 | Depending on what you want for results, it useful to mix your edit back with the original image to smooth things out. |
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| 22:32.02 | alpharray | n4dir: using Debian currently |
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| 22:34.10 | n4dir | i think in that case it doesn't matter. |
| 22:34.36 | n4dir | it can matter, of course, but often you get away with ubuntu how-to's |
| 22:34.41 | alpharray | n4dir: Holy crap. I am getting headaches... |
| 22:35.22 | alpharray | n4dir: is "home/a/Documents/Coding" a valid shared name? |
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| 22:36.02 | n4dir | if a is a username |
| 22:36.38 | n4dir | well: /home/a/... not home/a/... |
| 22:36.46 | alpharray | Yeah |
| 22:36.48 | alpharray | a is a username |
| 22:36.53 | alpharray | and I put the / |
| 22:37.02 | n4dir | my username is user, but a is even better. lol |
| 22:37.22 | tdn | peterS, do you not agree that it is important enough to be foxed in stable? it is my understanding that this is based on an assesment of the severity of the bug and also the risk of the patch breaking anyrhing. i think the risk should be very small as the patch seems almost trivial and the impact of not being able to generate secure certs is high |
| 22:37.44 | n4dir | you can ask at the VirtualBox forum, in case it still exists (i guess so), but back then they haven't been outstanding friendly . |
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| 22:38.13 | n4dir | they to know the stuff in and out though (or did( |
| 22:38.13 | alpharray | I am in there n4dir |
| 22:38.22 | alpharray | No one talks, I am at #vbox |
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| 22:38.48 | alpharray | n4dir: error message changed apparently |
| 22:38.58 | n4dir | https://forums.virtualbox.org/ |
| 22:38.59 | peterS | tdn: yeah, I'd say so |
| 22:39.15 | alpharray | n4dir: know I am getting: "/home/a/Documents/Coding" is not a valid mounting place |
| 22:39.27 | alpharray | Meaning by place point |
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| 22:39.29 | n4dir | alpharray: i doubt i will be able to help. And VirtuaBox is broken beyond all repair over here ... |
| 22:40.08 | alpharray | Ok |
| 22:40.14 | alpharray | n4dir: Thank you for your time either way |
| 22:40.14 | n4dir | try a different mountpoint? /home/a/Documents ? or even /home/a |
| 22:40.28 | n4dir | good luck (try the forum, ignore them being tough guys) |
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| 22:41.55 | alpharray | n4dir: tried a different mountpoint and I failed |
| 22:41.57 | alpharray | Thanks once again |
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| 22:43.29 | tdn | peterS, ok so who should i contact in order to raise awareness of this problem and have its inclusion in stable benreconsidered? |
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| 22:46.39 | peterS | tdn: I just heard from a release manager who said he thinks it is probably not suitable for a stable update |
| 22:47.49 | tdn | wow really. because of risk in the patch? or does not agree it is important? |
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| 22:48.37 | somiaj | tdn: it maybe that it can be provided via stretch-backports after the release. |
| 22:48.40 | peterS | I don't know, he just said 'probably not' |
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| 22:49.23 | niggard | Shadow_7: is aaphoto a CLI util? |
| 22:49.24 | peterS | somiaj: well, and this is written in perl and is arch:all. So you may as well just install the stretch .deb directly. |
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| 22:52.17 | tdn | peterS, how long till that? stretch release? |
| 22:52.18 | Shadow_7 | niggard: yes |
| 22:52.42 | somiaj | tdn: about 6 months, give or take 2 is my rough guess |
| 22:52.44 | lf94 | Is there a way to re-install the font system in debian? |
| 22:52.48 | tdn | what alternatives are there to tinyca in debian? |
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| 22:52.56 | lf94 | I have totally trashed it |
| 22:53.19 | peterS | tdn: well, you could just pull it down right now. I mean, the package is out there. wget http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/t/tinyca/tinyca_0.7.5-6_all.deb; sudo dpkg -i tinyca_0.7.5-6_all.deb |
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| 22:54.14 | somiaj | peterS: I must have missunderstood, thought the conversation was about getting the package into stretch for the release, not the current stable. |
| 22:54.36 | somiaj | ,v tinyca |
| 22:54.37 | judd | Package: tinyca on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.7.5-4; jessie: 0.7.5-5; stretch: 0.7.5-6; sid: 0.7.5-6 |
| 22:54.43 | peterS | somiaj: tdn's point is that a package designed to manage a CA should not be signing things with SHA-1, even in jessie |
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| 22:56.51 | peterS | on its merits, SHA-1 isn't really dangerous for certs, and probably won't be for years to come... but various entities including Microsoft and Google have stopped accepting SHA-1-signed certs in browsers |
| 22:57.28 | Hello71 | "there are not yet any published attacks on X.509 certificates using SHA-1" |
| 22:57.54 | peterS | Hello71: yeah, that's a much much much much harder problem than the collision that Google announced a few days ago |
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| 22:59.33 | Hello71 | "it is not yet 100% broken, we will wait until there are active exploits before changing" |
| 23:00.08 | peterS | eh? who said that? |
| 23:00.56 | tdn | Hello71, problem is that browsers no longer accept sha1 signed certs |
| 23:01.22 | tdn | Hello71, that means sites using sha1 certs stop working |
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| 23:01.34 | tdn | broken sha1 or not |
| 23:02.25 | peterS | tdn: right, because the only use for X.509 certificates is web browsing (: |
| 23:03.46 | tdn | peterS, not the only use but by far the most prevalent |
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| 23:18.40 | AAS13 | I've just followed the instructions on this page https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Version_340.96 to install the nvidia driver for a gtx960, rebooted and getting 'Error: could not insert 'nvidia_current': No such device |
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| 23:23.49 | AAS13 | I ran nvidia-xconfig as well |
| 23:25.04 | OerHeks | AAS13, according to nvidia, gtx960 is supported by the 346 driver and up |
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| 23:32.12 | AAS13 | OerHeks, that page installs 367.44, why would it be saying 'no such device'? |
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| 23:33.01 | oiaohm | AAS13: what version of debian are you on. If you are on jessie 367.44 (via jessie-backports)<< the big in brackets says you need to add a repository. |
| 23:33.25 | OerHeks | AAS13, oh it did install 367 |
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| 23:35.00 | oiaohm | AAS13: https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ this is backports. I am on debian testing so I don't need to worry about that. |
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| 23:54.12 | pupuser80aa5c | Is it possible to switch from a live running linux operating system to debian OS? If so, then how? |
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