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| 00:00.54 | rudi_s | Bliepo: Well, not exactly "how-tos", but IMO it's the place for specific instructions to get a specific piece of hardware running. And it already contains many such instructions. |
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| 00:01.57 | Bliepo | rudi_s: I'm having trouble finding it though |
| 00:02.15 | rudi_s | Bliepo: Finding what? |
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| 00:02.32 | loeken | Bliepo, suggestion: google for your problem and try to respond your solution to the first result on google |
| 00:02.37 | loeken | that way most ppl will see it :) |
| 00:02.46 | Bliepo | Oh |
| 00:02.50 | Bliepo | That's a good one |
| 00:03.14 | loeken | i do that with the tricky ones :p |
| 00:03.40 | Bliepo | Yeah, this card was a lot of work really |
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| 00:22.52 | Bliepo | If you add backports to sources.list, it will still default to 'normal' packages right? |
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| 00:27.01 | lfmmc | help |
| 00:27.13 | jrtc27 | Bliepo: yes |
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| 00:30.13 | jasonwc | I have a standard MCE IR receiver (Media Center Ed. eHome Infrared Remote Transceiver (147a:e042)) and it doesn't work properly in the 3.16 kernel on Jessie or the 4.9 kernel from backports. On 3.16, the directional keypads work as well as a number of other keys, but enter/OK does nothing, pause doesn't work, as well as a number of other buttons. In 4.9, no keys work. In both cases, the |
| 00:30.13 | jasonwc | reciver lights up indicating it has received a message. The remote should just work as the key presses are treated like they are from a keyboard. I have no issues on OpenELEC, which uses kernel 4.4. |
| 00:30.34 | jasonwc | Here is the dmesg output - no errors shown, http://pastebin.com/GkX83LpF |
| 00:30.57 | somiaj | do you have access to the config that built the 4.4 kernel that works? |
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| 00:31.48 | jasonwc | somiaj: Presumably, I have access to the source for OpenPHT, which can be used to build it |
| 00:32.06 | jasonwc | I initially thought I had this issue: http://lists.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2015-July/379872.html |
| 00:32.13 | jasonwc | However, I checked config.c and it shows n = 10 |
| 00:32.37 | somiaj | well the debian config file is in /boot/config-kernelversion, you can compare this to what you know works see if any options that are needed are missing or different. |
| 00:32.47 | somiaj | but I'm not seeing anything because compare it to the situation it works in |
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| 00:33.07 | jasonwc | I"m not sure what I should be looking for. |
| 00:34.40 | somiaj | me either, but config options related to the device |
| 00:34.47 | jasonwc | The device is found and doesn't show errors in dmesg or syslog. The device presumably "should" be supported but something is broken. The aforementioned bug appeared to match my issue, but I don't see n = 32 in config.c |
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| 00:42.51 | silverblade | Hi. I just installed Jessie from a netinst image. Installation went fine, but upon reboot for some reason my resolv.conf isn't being populated. I'm assigning IP via DHCP and on my older Debian installs I get the DNS configured automatically too. Did something change recently with how resolv.conf is handled? |
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| 01:09.00 | Bliepo | Is there any way to know if a package is included in a default installation of Debian? |
| 01:09.13 | Bliepo | Need to know for the HOWTO I'm writing |
| 01:09.44 | awal1 | that depends which "default" |
| 01:10.13 | awal1 | on |
| 01:10.53 | awal1 | probably by default you mean debian gnome |
| 01:11.10 | Bliepo | Well, actually no, just the CLI install |
| 01:18.18 | eh3 | Are the official packages typically relocatable? |
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| 02:15.34 | sh00p | i like it |
| 02:16.09 | psychoticwarrior | yea me too |
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| 02:18.31 | psychoticwarrior | what about wireless orgasm 2017 |
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| 02:20.52 | mula | my apache is not responding |
| 02:20.58 | awal1 | psychoticwarrior, is there any bridge near you? |
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| 02:21.15 | psychoticwarrior | yea there is |
| 02:21.36 | mula | when i get the ip on the browser it seems to be down |
| 02:21.40 | psychoticwarrior | huh |
| 02:21.46 | psychoticwarrior | try ping 127.0.0.1 |
| 02:21.55 | mula | from yi did it responds to it |
| 02:21.56 | psychoticwarrior | could be a stack problem |
| 02:22.34 | mula | i access the database file is empty |
| 02:22.39 | psychoticwarrior | huh |
| 02:22.45 | psychoticwarrior | maybe someone hacked it and deleted database |
| 02:23.02 | mula | maybe |
| 02:23.22 | mula | but i think i was the one that hacked |
| 02:23.35 | awal1 | psychoticwarrior, it looks like you are bored all the time. so check the bridge and find the highest point then throw yourself |
| 02:23.36 | mula | and destroyed it |
| 02:24.02 | mula | i tried to delete and reinstall apache but still the same |
| 02:24.08 | mula | any ideas? |
| 02:24.15 | awal1 | mula, forget him, he is a troll |
| 02:24.23 | mula | ports are forwarding to the server |
| 02:24.27 | mula | from the router |
| 02:24.37 | mula | and i dont think is a port 80 problem |
| 02:24.39 | psychoticwarrior | im not a troll |
| 02:24.41 | mula | can ftp to it |
| 02:24.46 | mula | ssh |
| 02:24.48 | mula | vnc |
| 02:24.48 | psychoticwarrior | my apache seems fine |
| 02:24.53 | mula | all working |
| 02:24.58 | mula | apart from the webserver |
| 02:25.23 | mula | Rit all happen when i installed wordpress server |
| 02:25.45 | mula | anyone had the same problem |
| 02:25.47 | mula | ? |
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| 02:35.36 | murcielago2 | hola |
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| 02:41.56 | psychoticwarrior | ? |
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| 02:59.33 | squigz | 4 Four Lokos. That's 16 Lokos |
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| 03:31.07 | psychoticwarrior | ssh-keygen should do the trick |
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| 03:31.47 | psychoticwarrior | RSA 2048 |
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| 03:42.25 | NemesisD | hey folks. i just switched from ubuntu to debian and im experiencing some weird font behavior. the web font roboto mono is rendering really strangely. i think its the font system because it renders weird on both chrome and firefox. this site https://fonts.google.com/specimen/Roboto+Mono looks like https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6clO2aUoAAyAyN.jpg |
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| 03:43.08 | NemesisD | anyone have any clue as to what i should look into? |
| 03:43.43 | NemesisD | interestingly, even different variations of the same font look fine. Roboto itself looks totally normal |
| 03:45.21 | psychoticwarrior | damn thats weird |
| 03:45.27 | psychoticwarrior | i dont find out problems |
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| 03:48.40 | NemesisD | yeah its kind of an issue as a lot of sites use roboto mono |
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| 03:53.05 | somiaj | It works here, but I have some non-free fonts installed via ttf-mscorefonts-installer, though this is just a guess |
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| 03:57.19 | iateadonut | yeah, ssh-copy-id, but i can't do that if i'm su'ing into an account that i don't have the pword to and i want to put in my key |
| 03:58.37 | iateadonut | abrotman |
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| 04:02.45 | borsin | iateadonut: su'ing to root or another user? if you're root - then use passwd to change the passwd of the user you want to send the ssh-copy-id to |
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| 04:07.16 | iateadonut | that's true, but then i may as well just do the two commands to create the authorized_keys file and chmod it... |
| 04:07.23 | iateadonut | ssh-copy-id is not prone to human error though. |
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| 04:15.03 | borsin | im aware of what ssh-copy-id does. you claimed your couldnt perform "it" due to not knowing the password. you're aware "su" is switch user and not only "root"? |
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| 04:43.29 | Guest56067 | howdy ya'll |
| 04:43.31 | n-iCe | Hello |
| 04:43.46 | Guest56067 | how are you fine gentleman/woman doing this evening |
| 04:44.00 | n-iCe | alright |
| 04:44.00 | n-iCe | you |
| 04:44.17 | Guest56067 | can't complain |
| 04:44.25 | Guest56067 | what brings you to #debian tonight sir? |
| 04:44.59 | n-iCe | I'm always here :) |
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| 04:46.11 | Guest56067 | i must say I am delighted to see so many people from around the world on here |
| 04:46.15 | n-iCe | hehe |
| 04:46.18 | n-iCe | where are you from? |
| 04:46.29 | Guest56067 | im from the states. east coast |
| 04:46.37 | Guest56067 | you could probably tell from my hostname lol |
| 04:47.14 | Guest56067 | are you affiliated with aircrack, n-iCe? |
| 04:47.28 | n-iCe | maybe |
| 04:47.59 | Guest56067 | i really enjoy the suite |
| 04:51.09 | Guest56067 | know if any good info sec ircs? |
| 04:52.03 | n-iCe | ircs? |
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| 04:53.13 | Guest56067 | networks* |
| 04:57.10 | n-iCe | what do you need |
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| 04:58.26 | Guest56067 | i honestly want to share/converse about a bunch of theories and practices i've been studying for a few years now |
| 04:58.41 | Guest56067 | don't really know where to go anymore. my university is filled with airheads |
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| 05:00.26 | Guest56067 | or maybe they are just real secretive lol |
| 05:00.49 | Guest56067 | though i can't think of why... not like i'm telling them to reveal their darkest of secrets or anything |
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| 05:01.10 | RebelCoder | Guys, as there is a RC2 iso of Debian 9 available already, I an wondering when is the official release ? |
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| 05:09.52 | ambientstate | Hi, I have a fresh install of debian, but have no audio, what do I do to get audio? |
| 05:10.46 | bibble | have you got a desktop environment installed ? |
| 05:10.56 | bibble | could install pulseaudio |
| 05:11.31 | ambientstate | connection to pulseaudio keeps failing |
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| 05:12.12 | ambientstate | I tried the gui, alsamixer and pavucontrol |
| 05:12.20 | ambientstate | I think that about covers it |
| 05:13.14 | psychoticwarrior | pulseaudito -D |
| 05:13.15 | bibble | strange |
| 05:13.15 | psychoticwarrior | pulseaudio -D |
| 05:14.09 | ambientstate | bash: pulseaudio: command not found |
| 05:14.19 | Guest56067 | apt-get install pulseaudio ? |
| 05:14.40 | psychoticwarrior | yea try that |
| 05:14.54 | Guest56067 | don't forget sudo in front |
| 05:14.59 | ambientstate | Guest56067, It is installed, I get this message 'connection to pulseaudio failed' |
| 05:15.10 | ambientstate | frustrating |
| 05:15.14 | ambientstate | Maybe need to reinstall |
| 05:15.15 | psychoticwarrior | yes it is |
| 05:15.21 | Guest56067 | is it already running? check to see if the applet is displayed on panel |
| 05:15.30 | Guest56067 | could try killall pulseaudio |
| 05:15.34 | Guest56067 | then try running it again |
| 05:15.58 | Guest56067 | try kmix |
| 05:16.02 | psychoticwarrior | kill pulseaudio |
| 05:16.04 | Guest56067 | it worked on some debian installs i've done |
| 05:16.07 | psychoticwarrior | pulseaudio -D |
| 05:16.11 | Guest56067 | killall* |
| 05:16.16 | Guest56067 | kill is for pids |
| 05:16.21 | psychoticwarrior | it hates installing it cause of root |
| 05:16.27 | Guest56067 | hmm |
| 05:16.33 | ambientstate | pavucontrol is already the newest version (3.0-3+b3) |
| 05:16.41 | cluelessperson | hey guys, I'm looking for a minimal debian kernel |
| 05:16.56 | cluelessperson | is anyone familiar where I might find one instead of having to compile it myself? |
| 05:17.02 | Guest56067 | have you tested kmix? |
| 05:17.20 | ambientstate | yep |
| 05:17.30 | Guest56067 | no luck, huh? |
| 05:18.33 | Guest56067 | wha about complete reinstall |
| 05:18.37 | Guest56067 | sudo apt-get purge pulseaudio |
| 05:18.37 | Guest56067 | sudo apt-get clean && sudo apt-get autoremove |
| 05:20.20 | psychoticwarrior | apt-get clean |
| 05:20.31 | psychoticwarrior | apt-get autoremove <package> |
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| 05:26.17 | ambientstate | stuff plays back okay, just no audio. weird |
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| 05:28.13 | RebelCoder | ambientstate, do you have an HDMI monitor ? Maybe sounds is going there |
| 05:28.23 | psychoticwarrior | lol |
| 05:28.34 | ambientstate | I picked the correct sound card via alsamixer |
| 05:28.37 | RebelCoder | Exactly |
| 05:28.39 | ambientstate | lspci |
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| 05:29.06 | ambientstate | VIA Technologies Inc. ICE1712 [Envy24] PCI |
| 05:29.09 | psychoticwarrior | yea that could help; |
| 05:29.21 | ambientstate | i picked that card |
| 05:29.29 | ambientstate | increased the levels |
| 05:29.33 | ambientstate | bah |
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| 05:31.13 | ambientstate | just a borked install I guess |
| 05:33.39 | psychoticwarrior | yea i guess |
| 05:34.03 | RebelCoder | Hardly true... |
| 05:34.15 | RebelCoder | Have you used Linux before on this machine ? |
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| 05:35.00 | ambientstate | RebelCoder, Yes. |
| 05:35.14 | RebelCoder | But not Debian.. right ? |
| 05:35.26 | ambientstate | RebelCoder, Wrong. |
| 05:35.30 | psychoticwarrior | juggalo |
| 05:36.00 | RebelCoder | I just don't see how something just did not get installed |
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| 05:36.34 | RebelCoder | Did you try installing/re-installing firmware/drivers ? |
| 05:36.43 | ambientstate | Tried gui,alsamixer and pavucontrol...that abiut does it for opions |
| 05:36.47 | RebelCoder | firmware-realtek |
| 05:38.07 | RebelCoder | And what you wrote here: stuff plays back okay, just no audio. weird |
| 05:38.33 | RebelCoder | Sounds like the software just does work but hardware is not receiving it... |
| 05:38.38 | ambientstate | I am watching a pretty woman on youtube...maybe it is good there is no audio |
| 05:38.48 | RebelCoder | see if that firmware is installed |
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| 05:44.58 | RebelCoder | Which guy ? |
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| 05:45.57 | RebelCoder | psychoticwarrior, seems to be a BOT |
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| 05:48.45 | ambientstate | "Hello friend" |
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| 05:49.34 | Guest56067 | sounds lame...maybe i should give you a name |
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| 07:09.00 | massprog | hi,how can I make usb bootable with three iso file of debian for installing alongside windows 10? |
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| 07:09.55 | SwedeMike | massprog: http://askubuntu.com/questions/46624/how-to-create-a-bootable-usb-with-multiple-iso-images-in-it might help |
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| 07:10.16 | SwedeMike | massprog: https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/39747/how-to-boot-10-different-live-cds-from-1-usb-flash-drive/ as well |
| 07:10.56 | massprog | SwedeMike, thank you :) |
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| 07:37.16 | mandeep | when i run an application from shell, everything works. however when i run the application from the mate menu the application can't find path. is this typical? |
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| 07:47.11 | TimurTheLame | Can someone recommend me a simple color chooser app that does just that? Agave is just plain bullshit |
| 07:47.49 | TimurTheLame | I just want a goddamn simple color wheel X_X |
| 07:49.43 | cluelessperson | hey guys, does anyone know of the smallest kernel I can get? |
| 07:49.44 | cluelessperson | and where? |
| 07:49.49 | TimurTheLame | Nevermind, found gcolor2. Aptitude is so incapable of properly searching a desired package that a google search is better than it. |
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| 07:53.40 | TimurTheLame | cluelessperson, you could build your own |
| 07:54.33 | TimurTheLame | I managed to build mine, but it took me quite some time to figure it out |
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| 07:57.19 | Stummi | TimurTheLame, google is always better than finding stuff. Its almost like its their job |
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| 07:57.56 | TimurTheLame | Stummi, yeah, but compared to archlinux's pacman, aptitude is frustrating as hell |
| 07:58.49 | TimurTheLame | That's what my rant's about |
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| 08:00.10 | camh | mandeep: it has always been typical for me. when logging via a desktop manager (gui login), your .profile/.bash_profile/.bashrc is not sourced, so any settings in there (such as PATH) are not in effect for the desktop environment. |
| 08:00.29 | camh | when you run from a shell, your shell startup config has been loaded, so PATH, etc are correct |
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| 08:01.01 | camh | I thought mate had something somewhere to help this. let me look... |
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| 08:02.00 | mandeep | camh: yeah that seems to be what im experiencing |
| 08:02.21 | camh | mate will source ~/.materc. This is done from a bourne-compatible shell, so you can put stuff in there to get it into your environment |
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| 08:02.54 | mandeep | camh: should this file exist? |
| 08:03.03 | camh | I have split my .bash_profile and .bashrc into separate bourne and bash settings, so I can easily source the bourne stuff when needed |
| 08:03.12 | camh | it will not exist unless you create it |
| 08:03.50 | camh | the technical problem is that a user can use any aribirary shell so it is not possible for the startup script to load that config |
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| 08:03.56 | mandeep | i see |
| 08:04.16 | camh | you will need to provide a bourne-shell-specific environment setup |
| 08:04.20 | mandeep | i need to logout and login for this to wrok right? |
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| 08:04.39 | camh | yes, there's no way to push a new environment into an existing process |
| 08:05.04 | mandeep | brb |
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| 08:06.57 | mandeep | camh: unfortunately the materc file doesnt do anything |
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| 08:07.48 | camh | do you have the file: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/55mate-session_materc ? |
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| 08:08.56 | camh | oh, it appears that the package mate-session-manager only exists in unstable |
| 08:09.04 | mandeep | ah |
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| 08:10.49 | mandeep | there is 40x11-common_xsessionrc |
| 08:11.05 | camh | I'm trying to figure out how I fixed this. The problem has existed for many years and I've solved it myself many times |
| 08:11.11 | mandeep | so i could try adding .xsessionrc to home |
| 08:11.21 | camh | that would work I think |
| 08:11.24 | mandeep | let me try |
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| 08:12.01 | camh | aha, that's what I'm using by the looks of it :) |
| 08:12.21 | mandeep | hmm |
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| 08:12.43 | mandeep | alright brb |
| 08:13.20 | Ax | is it possible to reset a root password that I forgot? I do have physical access to the server |
| 08:13.42 | Ax | https://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Root_Password_Reset already tried this but it didn't work |
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| 08:14.11 | mandeep | camh: yep that worked. thanks for leading me on the correct path :) |
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| 08:36.07 | centurion18 | hi |
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| 08:36.24 | centurion18 | i cannot update flashplugin-nonfree, i'm getting a 404 error not found |
| 08:36.45 | centurion18 | ERROR: wget failed to download https://fpdownload.adobe.com/get/flashplayer/pdc/24.0.0.186/flash_player_npapi_linux.i386.tar.gz |
| 08:36.54 | centurion18 | can i fix this? |
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| 08:37.47 | twouters | is https://packages.debian.org broken? It doesn't show package pages like e.g. https://packages.debian.org/jessie/python-apt |
| 08:40.05 | TimurTheLame | twouters, seems so to me. I can see it on debian unstable. |
| 08:40.32 | TimurTheLame | twouters, https://packages.debian.org/sid/python-apt |
| 08:40.54 | TimurTheLame | twouters, because it's sid only atm, that's why it doesn't show for stable |
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| 08:41.52 | twouters | TimurTheLame: you're right, looks like it shows only unstable packages atm |
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| 09:08.27 | darxmurf | hi all |
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| 09:08.58 | nwe | j ubuntu |
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| 09:14.03 | darxmurf | I have a few machines running nvidia GTX970 cards with nvidia drivers. The fans on the card are spinning 2 seconds every 20 seconds, is there something I can configure to avoid that ? |
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| 09:14.29 | darxmurf | like to let them spin slowly all the time instead of those rollercoasters |
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| 09:15.24 | TimurTheLame | darxmurf, stable or unstable? |
| 09:18.31 | darxmurf | ? |
| 09:18.40 | darxmurf | about the fans now ? |
| 09:18.47 | darxmurf | or about the speed I want ? |
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| 09:19.33 | darxmurf | or about the debian version ? :-) |
| 09:19.36 | darxmurf | stable |
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| 09:20.27 | darxmurf | driver 375.39. It's weird, the nvidia smi returns 26% of the fan speed and I think it's off |
| 09:20.47 | vlt | Ax: Several ways: Mount and chroot into the root fs of the server and run `passwd`, |
| 09:21.21 | TimurTheLame | darxmurf, your debian version; stable, testing or sid |
| 09:21.23 | vlt | Ax: Copy over a line from an /etc/shadow file from where you know the password, |
| 09:21.24 | Ax | vlt, so with a live usb for example? |
| 09:21.30 | darxmurf | TimurTheLame: stable |
| 09:21.36 | vlt | Ax: Yes. |
| 09:21.43 | Ax | allright I will try that |
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| 09:22.47 | darxmurf | centurion18: https://fpdownload.adobe.com/get/flashplayer/pdc/24.0.0.221/flash_player_npapi_linux.x86_64.tar.gz |
| 09:22.54 | darxmurf | version has changed |
| 09:23.22 | TimurTheLame | darxmurf, hmm. *If* I were you, I'd blame it on the older version of packages of stable, but I'm no expert on your situation. |
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| 09:24.07 | darxmurf | TimurTheLame: I installed the latest package from Nvidia website |
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| 09:24.31 | TimurTheLame | darxmurf, forcibly? As in not the one from the stable repo? |
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| 09:25.03 | cluelessperson | welp, I tried to compile my own debian kernel, trying to make it SMALLER |
| 09:25.07 | cluelessperson | but instead, it's now larger |
| 09:25.25 | darxmurf | as users are using GPU for computation stuffs, I always install the latest version from Nvidia website |
| 09:25.28 | TimurTheLame | cluelessperson, why would you want it smaller? |
| 09:25.36 | darxmurf | ^^ |
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| 09:26.51 | cluelessperson | TimurTheLame: RAM based, live cd? |
| 09:27.01 | TimurTheLame | cluelessperson, oh |
| 09:27.11 | cluelessperson | TimurTheLame: my hope is to just have a linux base system, tiny, that I can do whatever else from easily enouhg |
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| 09:27.41 | cluelessperson | TimurTheLame: I like that I can debootstrap debian into a folder, chroot and configure it, then wrap it up into a 117MB ISO (124MB with python) |
| 09:27.54 | cluelessperson | Seriously, 117MB debian, in ram, so sweet |
| 09:27.58 | cluelessperson | but I'm hoping for even smaller |
| 09:28.03 | cluelessperson | damn small linux does 10 MB |
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| 09:28.17 | TimurTheLame | darxmurf, not sure, but I would personally blame the bug on forcibly using the latest nvidia driver with stable's old kernel and software |
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| 09:28.25 | centurion18 | darxmurf: i'm running debian jessie i386 |
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| 09:28.36 | TimurTheLame | darxmurf, tried testing or sid on one of those PCs? |
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| 09:28.46 | centurion18 | what to do with https://fpdownload.adobe.com/get/flashplayer/pdc/24.0.0.221/flash_player_npapi_linux.x86_64.tar.gz? |
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| 09:29.39 | TimurTheLame | cluelessperson, any practical reason for why you'd want this small live cd? :D |
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| 09:30.58 | TimurTheLame | darxmurf, I'm running sid and the nvidia package is the latest version |
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| 09:32.43 | babilen | darxmurf: We really neither recomend nor support the drivers from the nvidia website as they have broken various things in the past and cause us all sorts of problems |
| 09:32.52 | babilen | You might want to seek support from upstream in that case |
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| 09:33.37 | cluelessperson | TimurTheLame: to deliver easy to download/use tools to people wanting to fix their pc, or whatever else |
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| 09:34.13 | cluelessperson | can probably recover 20 MB to under <100 MB by removing all the excess locales |
| 09:34.18 | darxmurf | centurion18: www.adobe.com |
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| 09:34.37 | cluelessperson | if you don't know TRUMP'S AMERICA'S English, you can install other languages your goda damn self |
| 09:34.40 | cluelessperson | lol |
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| 09:35.47 | darxmurf | TimurTheLame: unfortunately those machines are in a lab and I prefer to run stable release :-) |
| 09:35.54 | babilen | cluelessperson: Please keep it technical in here |
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| 09:36.18 | TimurTheLame | darxmurf, spinning up and down doesn't sound stable :D |
| 09:36.32 | darxmurf | and to be honest, this fan stuff is not a big issue, users a just "complaining" because the machine is on the desk and they have a little noise |
| 09:36.54 | darxmurf | but as those machines are running double Xeon CPU with massive fans, the "noise" is not that terrible :-) |
| 09:37.03 | darxmurf | I will continue to check that :-) |
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| 09:40.24 | babilen | darxmurf: I take it that you are aware that you can grab 375.26-1~bpo8+1 from jessie-backports, aren't you? |
| 09:40.36 | babilen | (which is the variant we typically suggest and support) |
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| 09:42.38 | darxmurf | hmmm |
| 09:42.42 | darxmurf | not bad yep |
| 09:42.44 | darxmurf | I'll have a try |
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| 09:43.24 | babilen | It might be hard to undo the damage the nvidia installer has done, but see if you (and the tool that comes with the Debian package) can work it out |
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| 09:46.23 | darxmurf | well, I can --uninstall it |
| 09:46.26 | darxmurf | it should be ok |
| 09:46.40 | darxmurf | the actual packages are not that bad |
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| 09:53.32 | darxmurf | https://regexcrossword.com |
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| 10:04.07 | n1ck3 | Damnit. Sorry guys. My fat fingers today. :/ |
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| 10:20.30 | darxmurf | where can I remove a entry in the "application finder" popup ? |
| 10:20.37 | darxmurf | don't want to clear it all, just remove an entry |
| 10:20.42 | darxmurf | on XFCE |
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| 10:34.57 | no_gravity | One of the insanities of (all?) Linux distros is that from time to time they ask you crazy update questions. Right not "The configuration file /etc/gnome/defaults.ist was modified. Keep or update?" - How am I supposed to know? |
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| 10:37.24 | pos | So I've got a 4x3TB RAID0 array with a known bad block (reported in dmesg). I've marked the block as bad with "fsck.ext4 -l filecontainingbadblocks /dev/mapper/md0". SMART checks on each of the member drives does not give a culprit, is it possible to determine which of the member drives are failing from the block number alone? |
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| 10:39.26 | rgr | hmm. so much for my "new install and how wonderful gnome is". evolution still as pants as ever and only half working. |
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| 10:46.54 | TimurTheLame | rgr, why not thunderbird? |
| 10:47.03 | seppi91_ | Hi, I already tried my luck at ##proxmox, but without success :-( maybe someone in here can help me better. I'm faceing a real weird issue. My system does not create in /etc/network/interfces defined network bridges. They just dont come up after reboot. When initializing them manually with /etc/init.d/networking restart everything works as expected. |
| 10:47.27 | petn-randall | no_gravity: That's why there's the option to show the difference ... |
| 10:47.52 | no_gravity | petn-randall: The diff is 403 lines of mumbo jumbo. |
| 10:47.59 | petn-randall | no_gravity: And if you get that question, it usually means that the admin edited that file by hand, so it's a valid question. |
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| 10:48.02 | no_gravity | petn-randall: Stuff like "+application/x-lhz=org.gnome.FileRoller.desktop" :) |
| 10:48.14 | no_gravity | petn-randall: I have no idea what that means. |
| 10:48.18 | seppi91_ | cat /etc/network/interfaces > http://paste.debian.net/918925/ |
| 10:48.29 | no_gravity | petn-randall: And surely not the time to learn about 403 of these guys. |
| 10:48.31 | petn-randall | no_gravity: And also that question just pops up if you set the debconf priority low enough, in all other cases it just keep the file. |
| 10:48.47 | TimurTheLame | no_gravity, it means that .lhz archives will be open with FileRoller by default from now on |
| 10:48.53 | TimurTheLame | no_gravity, in case you were wondering :D |
| 10:49.15 | petn-randall | !proxmox |
| 10:49.15 | dpkg | Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial ##proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Get_support |
| 10:49.19 | rgr | thunderbird? No thanks. I'll stick with gmail web interface and command line mailx. |
| 10:49.25 | petn-randall | seppi91_: Sorry, proxmox is not supported in here. |
| 10:49.31 | seppi91_ | e |
| 10:49.31 | petn-randall | seppi91_: see dpkg's message. |
| 10:49.59 | seppi91_ | petn-randall: Okay :-/ Any other channel which could help me in this topic? |
| 10:50.43 | petn-randall | seppi91_: If not #proxmox (you might just have to wait a littler longer, like an hour or two to get a response), try ##linux. |
| 10:51.02 | seppi91_ | thank you, i will give it a try. |
| 10:51.05 | TimurTheLame | seppi91_, ignore petn-randall and keep asking |
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| 10:51.17 | TimurTheLame | seppi91_, it's not like there's heavy traffic right now |
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| 10:51.24 | petn-randall | TimurTheLame: Excuse me? |
| 10:51.30 | TimurTheLame | petn-randall, you heard me :P |
| 10:51.33 | seppi91_ | TimurTheLame: Well that wouldn't be really polite :D |
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| 10:52.04 | petn-randall | TimurTheLame: Those are the channel rules. If you don't like it, feel free to open another channel and put up whatever channels you like. |
| 10:52.07 | petn-randall | !based on |
| 10:52.07 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 10:52.16 | petn-randall | TimurTheLame: ^^^ |
| 10:53.20 | TimurTheLame | petn-randall, X_X |
| 10:53.46 | TimurTheLame | petn-randall, in your world, you'd probably arrest people for jaywalking |
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| 10:54.11 | babilen | TimurTheLame: Please keep it on-topic and friendly in here |
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| 10:56.43 | seppi91_ | Well I've installed proxmox on top of debian so maybe this is a point for helping me anyway :-P |
| 10:57.45 | babilen | seppi91_: I think you've pretty much turned your box into Proxmox by doing that. I'd suggest to seek support in ##proxmox or ##linux on this network |
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| 10:58.39 | tobiasBora | Hello, |
| 10:58.44 | babilen | This intersection of people in #debian and ##linux isn't that small either |
| 10:58.51 | babilen | *The |
| 11:00.17 | tobiasBora | I'm expecting some issues with the Geogebra program: when I run it, I've the errors http://paste.debian.net/918927/ |
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| 11:01.30 | tobiasBora | Does anyone knows what I could do to solve my problem? |
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| 11:11.54 | lol | Cl0udN9ne, hi |
| 11:12.16 | Cl0udN9ne | hey La09x09 |
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| 11:15.36 | BluesKaj | 'Morning folks |
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| 11:21.58 | heap_ | hi, is there a way to hardcode ip address for eth0 after boot instead of using connman (which is buggy in systemd)? thanks |
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| 11:24.03 | babilen | heap_: You'd assign it in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 11:25.37 | heap_ | hm there is nothing inside that file |
| 11:25.42 | heap_ | no sample ;/ |
| 11:25.50 | heap_ | # CONNMAN is installed on this system. Please dont use ifup/down. |
| 11:25.50 | heap_ | # Instead try connman-curses or connmanctl, which are both preinstalled! |
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| 11:26.43 | heap_ | and connman has bug inside systemd its not started after boot properly |
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| 11:28.03 | plasmoduck | I would like to uninstlall gnome3 and just keep mate, whats the command? |
| 11:28.44 | bibble | probably apt-get purge gnome* |
| 11:28.53 | nikitasius | xfce <3 |
| 11:28.57 | BluesKaj | heap_, using a static ip in /etc/network/interfaces, but that requires removing network-manager, which can be problematic and complicated for laptops that need wifi |
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| 11:29.01 | plasmoduck | will that unstall anything gnome related? |
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| 11:29.14 | plasmoduck | I want to keep some of the gnome programs |
| 11:29.28 | bibble | hmm |
| 11:29.55 | heap_ | BluesKaj: ah lord ;/ |
| 11:30.04 | heap_ | i dont know when that bug will be fixed? |
| 11:30.30 | bibble | add -s to command so it just simulates what will happen plasmoduck |
| 11:30.40 | plasmoduck | xfce is terrible |
| 11:30.49 | bibble | xfce is great |
| 11:30.51 | plasmoduck | thanks |
| 11:31.10 | BluesKaj | heap_, yeah , dunno id setting your IP in the interfaces file will sticj since NM probly overwrites upon reboot |
| 11:31.23 | BluesKaj | id=if |
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| 11:32.22 | tobiasBora | I just saw that Geogebra has it's own repo, is there any reason not to put there app in the repo? |
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| 11:32.56 | tobiasBora | Is it because of the non-commercial licence |
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| 11:39.30 | n4dir | tobiasBora: it is in the unstable/sid repositories |
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| 11:44.30 | Shadur | .. Rgh. I'm pretty sure what I'm looking for has a name as a concept but I have no idea what it could be in english. Basically, I want something that'll let me keep a database of all servers I'm running, with IP addresses, basic hardware information and what functions it's supposed to fulfill, as well as interlinkage that'll let me describe which server backs up what functions to where, which webserver uses |
| 11:44.32 | Shadur | what database server as backend, and so on... |
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| 11:48.55 | n4dir | in /etc/hosts you could add a comment bout the purpose/function of each IP (or just use a descriptive name). Probably too limited? |
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| 11:52.11 | plasmoduck | anyone know a cli app to convert a small mp3 -> wav? |
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| 11:52.32 | llamapixel | ffmpeg plasmoduck |
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| 11:53.32 | llamapixel | converting from a compressed format like mp3 to a more expanded file like wav will not produce a better file quality, just in case that is coming up. |
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| 12:58.22 | heap_ | BluesKaj: that sucks. |
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| 13:00.58 | funabashi | stoned: ok can you please show me an example |
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| 13:02.53 | BluesKaj | heap_,is this a laptop ? |
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| 13:04.28 | Brigo | funabashi, you can't the user needs access to /etc /usr /lib, etc, or the programs won't work. |
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| 13:08.28 | funabashi | oke |
| 13:09.08 | funabashi | another question i cant open a dir in in /home/xxxx which has drwxrwx---. but another with same rights i can open , why? |
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| 13:12.00 | jelly | funabashi: show the output of "id -a" as that user, and "ls -ld /path/to/that/dir /path/to/that/dir/.." |
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| 13:12.23 | jelly | funabashi: you need +x permission on all the parent dirs |
| 13:12.37 | heap_ | BluesKaj: no its cubox-i |
| 13:13.07 | heap_ | BluesKaj: running in server mode |
| 13:13.17 | heap_ | with fix ip |
| 13:13.20 | BluesKaj | heap_, with wifi or ethernet? |
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| 13:13.29 | heap_ | eth |
| 13:15.05 | heap_ | BluesKaj: any way to hackit? |
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| 13:18.09 | BluesKaj | then heap_ this will show you how to setup a ststic IP without using NM, but I know nothing about conman and how it would be affected by this setup. https://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-ubuntu-linux-convert-dhcp-network-configuration-to-static-ip-configuration.html |
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| 13:18.24 | BluesKaj | static IP ^ |
| 13:19.41 | BluesKaj | this tutorial works for debian as well, I have it the same setup on stretch |
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| 13:21.44 | heap_ | hm |
| 13:21.50 | heap_ | but there is that conman hm |
| 13:22.31 | heap_ | can i uninstall it? |
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| 13:23.39 | heap_ | i removed that crap |
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| 13:24.24 | stoned | Brigo: I thought he meant over ssh/sftp etc. |
| 13:24.38 | stoned | locally there is no way to jail the user, he needs access to many files across the system to function. |
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| 13:27.03 | heap_ | BluesKaj: doesnt work |
| 13:27.25 | heap_ | even i removed connman package and set the network/interfaces... no ip after reboot |
| 13:27.44 | BluesKaj | heap_, think you need to reboot |
| 13:27.51 | heap_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:28.17 | BluesKaj | heaok run , sudo dhclient |
| 13:28.24 | BluesKaj | heap_,^ |
| 13:28.45 | heap_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:28.45 | heap_ | c connman - Intel Connection Manager daemon |
| 13:28.54 | heap_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:28.54 | heap_ | RTNETLINK answers: File exists |
| 13:29.15 | heap_ | but maybe dhclient is not running at the background? |
| 13:29.25 | BluesKaj | yup ,now try your browser |
| 13:29.31 | heap_ | it works.. |
| 13:29.35 | heap_ | but i need to do it manual |
| 13:29.36 | heap_ | y |
| 13:29.43 | heap_ | its not getting ip after reboot |
| 13:29.53 | heap_ | when it boot up and i typ dhclient eth0 it got ip |
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| 13:30.35 | petn-randall | heap_: If you want to switch via static ip and dhcp on eth0, I recommend using network-manager. |
| 13:30.37 | heap_ | its like in windows. |
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| 13:31.06 | heap_ | i think thats why connman was there? |
| 13:31.24 | vlatko | Changes to etc networking interfaces have no effect after service networking restart |
| 13:31.37 | vlatko | Am I missing something obvious? |
| 13:31.53 | heap_ | i dont think so. |
| 13:31.57 | petn-randall | heap_: You could also use the powers of ifup/ifdown and /etc/network/interfaces to define several schemes, and just use "ifup eth0=<static scheme>" or "ifup eth0=<eth0-dhcp>". |
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| 13:32.19 | BluesKaj | heap_, do you have the gateway and netmask setup ? |
| 13:32.23 | heap_ | i need to get ip after reboot |
| 13:32.26 | petn-randall | vlatko: The usual way is to do "ifdown <if> && ifup <if>" |
| 13:32.32 | heap_ | i cant touch computer... |
| 13:32.36 | heap_ | its headless machine |
| 13:32.38 | vlatko | tried that as well |
| 13:32.47 | heap_ | BluesKaj: i do. |
| 13:32.50 | vlatko | it just keeps to the same setup |
| 13:32.51 | heap_ | once more again |
| 13:33.00 | heap_ | after boot its not assign any ip |
| 13:33.17 | heap_ | i can set it manually ... but i dont want to .. its remote box |
| 13:33.25 | jhutchins | !networking |
| 13:33.25 | dpkg | For basic networking, «man interfaces» and see http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration . For further information, see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/254 and http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05 . See also <interfaces>, <wifi>, <wireless connection managers>. |
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| 13:33.43 | petn-randall | vlatko: Then you might have a bug in the syntax. Show us the full output you get from those commands, and the contents of /etc/network/interfaces for starters. |
| 13:33.43 | BluesKaj | heap_, you need to assign the IP address in interfaces for it to be static |
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| 13:34.14 | heap_ | http://paste.debian.net/918947/ |
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| 13:34.34 | ychaouche | Hello #debian |
| 13:35.03 | BluesKaj | heap_, you need the pc IP in the "address" |
| 13:35.25 | heap_ | ? |
| 13:35.35 | heap_ | its tehre? |
| 13:35.37 | heap_ | there? |
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| 13:35.45 | heap_ | address 10.0.1.20 |
| 13:35.48 | ychaouche | I rebooted my debian server and it says ALERT /dev/disk/byuuid does not exit. Dropping to a shell. I have a command line with a (initramfs) prompt |
| 13:35.52 | ychaouche | what to do now ? |
| 13:36.26 | heap_ | so what |
| 13:37.05 | petn-randall | ychaouche: What is the full error message? It looks like your /etc/fstab is miconfigured. |
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| 13:37.09 | BluesKaj | no heap, that's not it , run ip addr in the terminal and look at the IP assighed to eth0 |
| 13:37.10 | petn-randall | *misconfigured |
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| 13:37.58 | ychaouche | reboots again to read the error message |
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| 13:38.04 | petn-randall | heap_: Are you still using connman? If not just adding "auto eth0" before "iface eth0 ..." might be enough. |
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| 13:38.22 | ychaouche | petn-randall, It said something like "I give up after waiting the root partition for too long" |
| 13:38.40 | ychaouche | a cat /etc/fstab shows an empty file |
| 13:38.55 | ychaouche | a mount on /dev/sda5 gives an error (not in fstab) |
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| 13:39.30 | ychaouche | I guess I'm an in a situation where the whole OS fits in the RAM, right ? |
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| 13:39.36 | petn-randall | ychaouche: Seems like that is your problem. What OS version are you running? |
| 13:39.55 | ychaouche | only debian 8.5 |
| 13:40.14 | petn-randall | ychaouche: Did you install and it was like that, or what did happen? |
| 13:40.49 | snowkrash | ssmtp worked today |
| 13:40.56 | ychaouche | petn-randall, no the system was working for like 8 months or so, then I rebooted it and it didn't want to boot up. |
| 13:41.00 | snowkrash | seems i configured it wrong yesterday |
| 13:41.15 | BluesKaj | heap_, petn-randall is correct you also need 'auto eth0' in the list |
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| 13:41.49 | ychaouche | exact error message is : "Gave up waiting for root device. Common problems : ..." |
| 13:42.14 | petn-randall | ychaouche: Anything that you changed that could have introduced that problem? |
| 13:43.13 | ychaouche | not that I'm aware of, I purged rsyslog and reinstalled it after missing some log files from postfix, but that's it |
| 13:43.24 | ychaouche | some log lines* |
| 13:44.00 | ychaouche | then postfix started complaining it couldn't talk to mysql even though mysql was running, so I just thought why not reboot the thing ? |
| 13:44.10 | ychaouche | bad idead. |
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| 13:45.11 | ychaouche | There's also another error message that says : Firmware bug : bios has corrupted hw_PMU ressource (MSR 38d FS 330) |
| 13:45.22 | ychaouche | IS 330* |
| 13:46.07 | ychaouche | If it's a disk problem can it be fixed from initramfs ? |
| 13:47.02 | colo-work | no, it's your BIOS/firmware that is buggy |
| 13:47.22 | colo-work | PMU = performance monitor unit |
| 13:47.27 | ychaouche | ack |
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| 13:47.40 | colo-work | iirc, that think can measure/estimate how much power indivudal subsystem resources consume |
| 13:47.43 | colo-work | on intel platforms |
| 13:47.55 | colo-work | and it's buggy/inaccurate as fuck, which is why the kernel doesn't trust the data it reports |
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| 13:48.06 | colo-work | unless your platform is whitelisted |
| 13:48.19 | ychaouche | for the info it's an HP proliant G8 |
| 13:48.35 | ychaouche | oops no it's a G6 |
| 13:49.16 | like2k1 | Is there any change to capture the apt-get update progress for use in dialog --gauge ? |
| 13:49.42 | jelly | ychaouche: which particular proliant model, does it have a hw raid controller? |
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| 13:50.13 | ychaouche | jelly, yes it has, it's a DL380 G6 |
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| 13:50.22 | jelly | ychaouche: do you have iLO configured? You can see some hw issues on the iLO web UI |
| 13:50.25 | ychaouche | jelly, and the disks are all green |
| 13:50.48 | ychaouche | jelly, web UI ? the machine doesn't boot ? |
| 13:50.58 | jelly | yes. |
| 13:51.13 | ychaouche | but I can use the DVD it has a diagnostic tools |
| 13:51.17 | jelly | iLO is HP's remote/lights-out management |
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| 13:51.48 | tx | Super cool, especially with the advance license |
| 13:51.56 | bluss | it might be a common question, but what happened with ublock origin and chromium? the extension has been removed somehow and can't be installed again. chromium 56.0.2924.76-5 (stretch) |
| 13:52.00 | ychaouche | is confused |
| 13:52.10 | tx | bluss: really? since when? |
| 13:52.28 | tx | https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/cjpalhdlnbpafiamejdnhcphjbkeiagm |
| 13:52.29 | bluss | since I updated chromium, let's check what the old version was |
| 13:52.49 | jelly | tx: and G6 still has iLO2, buy one license install on all servers... I mean in theory! |
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| 13:53.27 | tx | I have G7's, same boat. |
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| 13:53.56 | bluss | my impression was that in chromium 55.0.2883.75-2 it was working fine. I updated to the new version today |
| 13:54.10 | jelly | ychaouche: with ilo, you can power off and on and hard reboot from remote, boot from .iso image, inspect most hw issues |
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| 13:55.24 | Guifle | hello! :) I installed debian, but I cannot "sudo" as my user is not sudoer, terminal says. I found out that I could solve this from grub, but I'd like to ask if there's another way for it? |
| 13:55.25 | seoner | How do I full disk encryption my hard drive on debian? |
| 13:55.52 | bluss | chromium gives an error 'Installation is not enabled. |
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| 13:56.22 | bezaban | Guifle: log in as root and add your user to sudoers :) |
| 13:56.24 | ychaouche | i remember playing with rsync between this server and another server |
| 13:56.29 | bluss | (upon trying to add it from the chrome store again. Manual install also did nothing (no error). Reproduces with --temp-profile) |
| 13:56.37 | ychaouche | trying to achieve cloning by rsyinc |
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| 13:57.20 | bezaban | Guifle: or rather, for full access, add it to the group sudo |
| 13:57.32 | ychaouche | the uuid given ni the ALERT error message isn't in /dev/disks/by-uuid/ |
| 13:58.00 | ychaouche | maybe I have corrupted the /dev/ directory ? |
| 13:58.33 | Guifle | bezaban, so, for the second method, I login with my user, and add it sudo on terminal? |
| 13:58.35 | ychaouche | or the other way around maybe the uuid that is in the ALERT error message has been copied from the other machine I was rsyncing from. |
| 13:58.40 | Guifle | to sudo* |
| 13:58.41 | toruvinn | anyone else has ntpd (package `ntp') die randomly in jessie with nothing left in logs? can work for months and then *poof*. |
| 13:58.42 | ychaouche | but I don't know where to fix it |
| 13:58.48 | Brigo | seoner, you have to reinstall. |
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| 13:59.09 | seoner | Brigo: Why? And then? |
| 13:59.16 | bezaban | Guifle: no. you either log in as root (you set the password during install) or issue 'su' then type the root password. Then usermod -a -G <groupname> username |
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| 13:59.44 | Brigo | seoner, you have to create the encryption and the put the system there. |
| 13:59.54 | Brigo | seoner, you can do it with the debian installer. |
| 14:00.13 | bezaban | Guifle: that 'no' was a little misplaced. Use 'su' to become root with the root password (not yours) |
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| 14:00.51 | Guifle | bezaban, but in order to do these, I need to login with my non-sudo user to my system, right? |
| 14:01.16 | bezaban | Guifle: if you are using the 'su' approach you log in with your user, but you may optionally log in directly as root |
| 14:01.42 | bezaban | the last approach will not work if accessing over ssh though |
| 14:01.48 | bluss | tx: ok so it seems this is not something that has been experienced by all users |
| 14:01.57 | bezaban | (are ssh root logins disabled by default now?) |
| 14:02.09 | darxmurf | password login yes |
| 14:02.14 | bezaban | darxmurf: aye. good :) |
| 14:02.16 | seoner | Brigo: Do you mean - Guided - use entire disk and set up encrypted LVM? |
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| 14:02.50 | Brigo | seoner, i guess, i have never done that. |
| 14:03.03 | Brigo | seoner, but it looks like quite right. |
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| 14:03.26 | n4dir | seoner: that is one option, and the most easy one. You can also to encrypted installations without lvm, but it is quite a bit of back-and-forth |
| 14:03.50 | ychaouche | jelly, thanks for ilo |
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| 14:03.57 | seoner | n4dir: What is the different? |
| 14:04.11 | n4dir | the difference is that the one uses lvm and the other doesn't. |
| 14:04.29 | Bliepo | I installed my kernel from backports because of a driver, but since I use automatic-updates for security packages Debian helpfully downgraded my kernel. How do I prevent this from happening? And would it be best to update to the most recent kernel of backports, stay on the current kernel version of backports, or use a specific version from backports? |
| 14:04.30 | seoner | n4dir: And what does that mean? |
| 14:05.02 | n4dir | seoner: i only have a vague understanding of lvm, and can't put it in words. Some people like it, it sure has it advantages, others don't |
| 14:05.03 | petn-randall | Bliepo: I'm not sure how that should have happened. Can you provide logs and more details? |
| 14:05.07 | Brigo | Bliepo, holt it. |
| 14:05.10 | n4dir | sorry. |
| 14:05.12 | n4dir | !lvm |
| 14:05.12 | dpkg | [lvm] the Linux Logical Volume Manager (http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/). Resources: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, <install using lvm>, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410, http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/ IRC: #lvm on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 14:05.18 | n4dir | well: better than nothing |
| 14:05.40 | bluss | apparently this is intended behaviour. Needs chromium --enable-remote-extensions to work |
| 14:06.24 | Bliepo | dpkg.log or another one? |
| 14:06.42 | petn-randall | Bliepo: If you install a kernel from backports, that kernel package will "automagically" track backports so any "apt update && apt upgrade" should give you the current backports kernel. If that kernel got removed, you must have requested it so. |
| 14:06.45 | seoner | n4dir: is it secure to use it togheter with LVM or not? |
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| 14:07.00 | n4dir | seoner: this is without lvm, but it is an old writeup and might be out of date http://refracta.freeforums.org/debian-encrypted-installation-t323.html |
| 14:07.21 | n4dir | seoner: sure, using lvm is fine. If you don't know if you want it or not, then you can use it (i guess). |
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| 14:07.33 | Guifle | bezaban, what would be the 'groupname' in the user add command? |
| 14:07.45 | Donquixote | Where can I join the offtopic chat? |
| 14:07.45 | bezaban | Guifle: sudo |
| 14:07.46 | n4dir | during installation just choose that option, and everything is nice and easy, not much headaches |
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| 14:08.01 | Guifle | bezaban, ah, thank you :) |
| 14:08.13 | bezaban | Guifle: then you need to log in and out (or spawn a login shell) for it to work. Do the first |
| 14:08.19 | Bliepo | petn-randall: I'm certain that is not what happened, because I have an email from unattended-upgrades which specifically says: "Packages that were upgraded: |
| 14:08.19 | Bliepo | linux-compiler-gcc-4.8-x86 linux-headers-3.16.0-4-amd64 linux-headers-3.16.0-4-common linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 linux-libc-dev" |
| 14:08.26 | bezaban | I should stop offering alternate approaches :P |
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| 14:09.03 | bezaban | also out & in rather. |
| 14:09.22 | n4dir | seoner: you satisfied? |
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| 14:10.02 | Guifle | bezaban, it didn't work, I still can't sudo |
| 14:10.06 | seoner | n4dir: What would you say about using encrypted partition with LVM vs truecrypt |
| 14:10.13 | Guifle | do I need to restart? |
| 14:10.13 | bezaban | Guifle: did you log completely out and in again? |
| 14:10.17 | Guifle | ah no |
| 14:10.31 | bezaban | no restart required |
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| 14:10.36 | Guifle | ok |
| 14:10.38 | n4dir | i never heart of anyone using truecrypt to do an encrypted installation with debian, seoner |
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| 14:11.21 | Bliepo | seoner: Truecrypt is also discontinued. I'd recommend using Verascrypt instead. |
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| 14:11.30 | n4dir | in my case the OS itself doesn't have data which are kinda private, need to be protected. Setting up an encrypted folder in my home would suffice. i would use encfs though |
| 14:12.11 | TomTomTosch | Bliepo: both the stable and backports kernel can be installed at the same time. check dpkg -l linux-image-* |
| 14:12.12 | seoner | Bliepo: Would you use Verascrypt before encryption with LVM? |
| 14:12.17 | Guifle | bezaban, yes, done! thank you very much! |
| 14:12.37 | seoner | Bliepo: I mean, what would you recommend for full disk encryption? |
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| 14:13.02 | bezaban | Guifle: great! Good luck :) |
| 14:13.15 | Bliepo | seoner: I never really looked into it, I just know that Truecrypt has been discontinued and that Veracrypt is a fork of Truecrypt. |
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| 14:13.17 | seoner | n4dir: I want full disk encryption, would encfg do the work? |
| 14:13.40 | Guifle | bezaban, thank you :) can I ask another question? |
| 14:13.42 | n4dir | if you want full disk-encryption, then choose the guided way during debian installation and call it a day |
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| 14:14.02 | Bliepo | Ah, I see, both 3.16 and 4.9 are installed |
| 14:14.13 | Guifle | to upgrade to stretch, do I only need to replace "jessie" with "stretch" in sources.list file? |
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| 14:14.24 | bezaban | Guifle: sure, someone else might have to handle it though |
| 14:14.30 | Markow | Question & issue: I downloaded debian-live-8.7.1-amd64-standard.iso (Debian "Live" CD) and placed the iso on a USB Pen Drive using DD. When I boot up, the menu successfully appears. I chose the 1st option, it partially enters the booting process, and then freezes on "Debian login:". I tried using "nomodeset", "nvidia.modeset=0", and "nouveau.modeset=0". Nothing works. |
| 14:14.35 | bezaban | Guifle: there is extensive documentation online, I'll see if I can find it |
| 14:14.59 | Bliepo | So I will have both kernels installed and I will be able to choose which kernel to boot in Grub, with the highest version being the default? |
| 14:15.19 | bezaban | or well. the documentation wouldn't be finalized until stretch is released |
| 14:15.23 | seoner | n4dir: so the guided way will provide nobody else access my hard drive? |
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| 14:15.47 | petn-randall | Bliepo: zes |
| 14:15.48 | Guifle | bezaban, I remember doing that to be sufficient. but jus wanted to make sure |
| 14:15.50 | bezaban | Guifle: that's the basic flow, but testing is testing, so it *should* work |
| 14:15.56 | petn-randall | Bliepo: yes (damn keyboard layout) |
| 14:16.12 | Brigo | seoner, right and with a password you have to enter every boot. |
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| 14:16.21 | Bliepo | Alright, seems I was worried for nothing then! Thanks for the help! |
| 14:16.22 | bezaban | Guifle: important part is to keep release name in sources.list and not 'stable' or 'testing' |
| 14:16.38 | seoner | Brigo: how "strong" is the guided encryption btw |
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| 14:16.51 | n4dir | seoner: yes. |
| 14:17.07 | bezaban | dpkg, dist-upgrade |
| 14:17.08 | dpkg | dist-upgrade tells apt to also install/remove packages when handling dependencies; security updates may require a dist-upgrade to install (they introduce new packages). Dist-upgrade does not mean changing from stable to testing; apt and aptitude both call dist-upgrade "full-upgrade" to remove this confusion. Read man apt-get carefully. See also <why not dist-upgrade>, <full-upgrade>. |
| 14:17.36 | seoner | i heard some people talking about luks encryption for the best encryption solution. Thats why im not sure what to use. |
| 14:17.36 | n4dir | seoner: no one without the passwd will be able to boot it, and no one without the password will be able to mount the partitions |
| 14:17.37 | bezaban | right. thanks for clearing that up dpkg |
| 14:17.37 | Brigo | seoner, as i already said, i have never used it. Maybe it is configurable. |
| 14:18.05 | Brigo | bezaban, it is a bot |
| 14:18.05 | n4dir | seoner: pretty sure the lvm uses luks. that is a 99% at minimum |
| 14:18.17 | Guifle | bezaban, sure, thank you! |
| 14:18.30 | bezaban | Brigo: I know, I invoked the trigger |
| 14:18.39 | ShalokShalom | https://packages.debian.org/stable/ |
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| 14:18.42 | ShalokShalom | empty? |
| 14:18.57 | Brigo | bezaban, right. |
| 14:18.57 | j4ckcom | -su: pip: command not found. <â whatâs wrong? |
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| 14:19.11 | seoner | Brigo: configurable like in setup or after the installation? |
| 14:19.11 | bezaban | Brigo: but it was not the one I was after :) |
| 14:19.22 | Brigo | j4ckcom, su didn't found the command |
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| 14:19.33 | j4ckcom | Brigo: then how can i do? |
| 14:19.37 | petn-randall | j4ckcom: "Command not found" usually means that whatever you try to run isn't installed. |
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| 14:20.06 | seoner | n4dir: Then why are people using "manual" full disk encryption and not LVM? |
| 14:20.08 | Brigo | seoner, just try it and see |
| 14:20.16 | lroe | can someone help me understand what would cause my etcap cap_net_raw+eip <file> to be removed? |
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| 14:20.21 | j4ckcom | petn-randall: then how can i do? |
| 14:20.25 | seoner | Brigo: Maybe, Thank you. |
| 14:20.29 | Brigo | seoner, np |
| 14:20.31 | petn-randall | j4ckcom: Install pip. |
| 14:20.31 | n4dir | seoner: i for one am not much in the mood to get the head into lvm, that is the only reason |
| 14:20.40 | j4ckcom | petn-randall: then how? |
| 14:21.08 | n4dir | seoner: the ones who use it like it pretty much, can give good examples for the advantages, etc. |
| 14:21.16 | petn-randall | j4ckcom: Are you running Debian? |
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| 14:21.23 | j4ckcom | yes petn-randall |
| 14:21.25 | wasanzy | hello |
| 14:21.28 | petn-randall | j4ckcom: apt install pip |
| 14:21.33 | j4ckcom | apt-get install python-pip? |
| 14:21.38 | Brigo | python-pip or python3-pip |
| 14:21.38 | j4ckcom | ok petn-randall ? |
| 14:21.40 | wasanzy | am trying to download ftp://ftp.tw.debian.org/pub/CLE/pub2/frugalware/frugalware-testing/source/lib-extra/srtp/srtp-1.4.2.tgz |
| 14:21.42 | petn-randall | j4ckcom: or that |
| 14:21.46 | petn-randall | j4ckcom: try it and see. |
| 14:21.48 | j4ckcom | thanks :) |
| 14:21.48 | wasanzy | but am being asked for user and password |
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| 14:22.15 | petn-randall | wasanzy: I'm not |
| 14:22.16 | seoner | n4dir: may I ask why you not using it? |
| 14:22.32 | wasanzy | petn-randall: I don't understand |
| 14:22.53 | wasanzy | I mean I am being asked to enter user and password when I tried to download the package |
| 14:23.02 | n4dir | i already said so, seoner. As far it's me everything is said. |
| 14:23.05 | petn-randall | wasanzy: I can download that file without entering username and password. |
| 14:23.19 | petn-randall | wasanzy: What tool are you using? |
| 14:23.36 | seoner | n4dir: ok, thank you. |
| 14:23.55 | n4dir | good luck, take it easy |
| 14:23.56 | wasanzy | petn-randall: google chrome |
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| 14:24.25 | wasanzy | I enter the link in browser and it gives me that window to enter user and password |
| 14:24.58 | snowkrash | how can i configure that all localhost mails e.g. root,... are sent by ssmtp? |
| 14:25.30 | petn-randall | wasanzy: then type anything there. |
| 14:25.36 | Markow | Question & issue: I downloaded debian-live-8.7.1-amd64-standard.iso (Debian "Live" CD) and placed the iso on a USB Pen Drive using DD. When I boot up, the menu successfully appears. I chose the 1st option, it partially enters the booting process, and then freezes on "Debian login:". I tried using "nomodeset", "nvidia.modeset=0", and "nouveau.modeset=0". Nothing works. Can anyone provide suggestions, please? |
| 14:25.59 | jhutchins_wk | snowkrash: You would read the documentation for ssmtp, then install and configure it (and probably remove postfix). |
| 14:26.01 | Markow | Should I include more options on the kernel line when booting the live cd? |
| 14:26.18 | Brigo | Markow, and you are in an amd64 capable machine, are you? |
| 14:26.22 | snowkrash | removed postfix |
| 14:26.34 | wasanzy | petn-randall: well it gives me empty response |
| 14:26.41 | wasanzy | can you give me the link you are using? |
| 14:26.42 | Markow | Brigo: yes |
| 14:26.50 | lysol | Markow, try user/live as the login |
| 14:27.04 | petn-randall | wasanzy: I'm using the same link! |
| 14:27.07 | Markow | lysol: You mean, I actually need a username and password for it? |
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| 14:27.31 | lysol | Markow, no it typically auto logs in, dont know what you did to it :) |
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| 14:27.38 | Markow | lysol: So, "user" as my username, and "live" as my password? |
| 14:28.15 | Markow | lysol: I did nothing to it, lol! It simply freezes at "debian login: " |
| 14:28.32 | Markow | lysol: Prior to that, the boot process appears to be fine |
| 14:28.42 | lysol | Markow, does it freeze or is it asking you to login? |
| 14:28.44 | Markow | ...until it freezes at that point |
| 14:28.58 | Markow | It prompts me to login it seems |
| 14:29.00 | Markow | but it shouldn't |
| 14:29.04 | Markow | It's a "live" cd |
| 14:29.10 | Markow | There should be no login ,right? |
| 14:29.15 | jhutchins_wk | Markow: "freeze" has a specific meaning that is different from "stop". |
| 14:29.32 | Markow | Let's just say, it "pauses" at "Debian login: " |
| 14:29.46 | lysol | have you tried logging in |
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| 14:29.54 | petn-randall | chuckles. |
| 14:29.55 | Markow | I'm able to type at that point, but how would I know the proper username / password? |
| 14:30.04 | lysol | google ? |
| 14:30.05 | Markow | I tried "root / root" |
| 14:30.17 | petn-randall | Markow: Isn't it documented on the debian live page? |
| 14:30.17 | Markow | I tried "blank / blank" |
| 14:30.28 | Markow | petn-randall: No |
| 14:30.32 | lysol | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/30842216/debian-8-live-cd-what-is-the-standard-login-and-password |
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| 14:30.42 | Markow | hmm. I'll check that |
| 14:31.29 | Markow | Ah, so: username "user" and the default password "live" |
| 14:31.39 | Markow | Why doesn't Debian provide that info on their download page? |
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| 14:32.44 | BluesKaj | shouldn't need a login page. should boot directly to the dektop |
| 14:33.03 | BluesKaj | desktop even |
| 14:33.38 | petn-randall | Markow: Good point. Can you e-mail the Debian CD team <debian-cd@lists.debian.org> about it? |
| 14:34.01 | petn-randall | BluesKaj: You do need a password if you want to use sudo. |
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| 14:34.22 | heap_ | BluesKaj: what? inet 10.0.1.20/24 brd 10.0.1.255 scope global eth0 |
| 14:34.30 | heap_ | petn-randall: no i removed package |
| 14:34.33 | Markow | petn-randall: Sure will. Hopefully, that username / password info works! |
| 14:34.33 | jhutchins_wk | Markow: Did you try user/live? Did it work? |
| 14:34.39 | Markow | I'm going to try now |
| 14:34.52 | jhutchins_wk | Markow: Have you verified the md5sum of the iso file and the burned image? |
| 14:34.53 | Markow | Thank everyone. I shall return, with the result. |
| 14:35.00 | Markow | jhutchins_wk: No |
| 14:35.16 | heap_ | i added |
| 14:35.17 | heap_ | auto eth0 |
| 14:35.17 | heap_ | iface eth0 inet static |
| 14:35.26 | heap_ | will restart once im back home |
| 14:35.45 | BluesKaj | petn-randall, can't you adduser username sudo ? |
| 14:35.46 | Markow | I'll test the username / password and be back here |
| 14:35.58 | Markow | Thanks again |
| 14:36.04 | petn-randall | BluesKaj: sudo always asks for authentication. |
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| 14:37.04 | BluesKaj | odd i had to install sudo on jessie after installing the OS |
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| 14:39.11 | BluesKaj | as root |
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| 14:39.46 | petn-randall | BluesKaj: If you set a root password, sudo is not installed/used. |
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| 14:39.59 | lysol | BluesKaj, pretty sure thats normal |
| 14:40.16 | BluesKaj | I always set a root pw in debain |
| 14:40.43 | BluesKaj | debian :-) |
| 14:40.57 | Guifle | hello again :) while changing /etc/apt/sources.list of jessie in order to upgrade to stretch, should I alter the lines in 'volatile' section? |
| 14:41.16 | Guifle | like replacing 'jessie' with 'stretch' in these lines |
| 14:41.17 | petn-randall | Guifle: Is there a reason you're upgrading to stretch? |
| 14:41.29 | Guifle | petn-randall, yes |
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| 14:41.38 | petn-randall | Guifle: which is? |
| 14:41.58 | Guifle | petn-randall,a program works in stretch only |
| 14:42.06 | petn-randall | Guifle: which one? |
| 14:42.36 | Guifle | petn-randall, I was advised that I could safely upgrade to stretch. can I not? |
| 14:43.05 | petn-randall | Guifle: Rule of thumb is, if you have to ask, the answer is probably no ;). stretch is not released yet, so it has more bugs than stable. |
| 14:43.15 | Guifle | hm |
| 14:43.18 | lysol | ^ |
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| 14:43.28 | petn-randall | Guifle: Which is why I'm asking which program, since there are probably better solutions. |
| 14:43.32 | Guifle | but I was told it was 'frozen', |
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| 14:43.58 | petn-randall | Guifle: That doesn't in any way contradict what I said. |
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| 14:44.04 | BluesKaj | I'm on stretch and np problems sof ar for an ordinary home user install |
| 14:44.17 | seoner | Why are some people using manual full disk encryption and not encryption with LVM? |
| 14:44.39 | petn-randall | seoner: Just a matter of taste. LVM and LUKS are different solutions to different problems. |
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| 14:44.45 | bluss | why is one more manual than the other |
| 14:45.21 | Guifle | petn-randall, I've just changed my mind upon what you said. I'll stick with jessie first, then |
| 14:45.32 | petn-randall | seoner: If you have 5 LUKS encrypted partitions, you have to type 5 passwords on boot. LVM makes that easier by providing several partitions within a single LUKS container. |
| 14:45.43 | seoner | petn-randall: What solutions and problems? |
| 14:45.55 | petn-randall | Guifle: You still haven't told us what program you're trying to use, we might still help you with that. |
| 14:46.15 | BluesKaj | Guifle, I did have wifi problems on my laptop with stetch so i reverted to jessie |
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| 14:46.31 | seoner | petn-randall: Ok, thank you. |
| 14:46.38 | jhutchins_wk | Guifle: One possibility would be a chroot or dual-boot setup with Stable jessie for reliable use and Stretch testing for testing and running new software. |
| 14:46.55 | petn-randall | seoner: LVM is a level of indirection to partitions. You can for example move a partition, while it's mounted, to another disk. Or snapshot a partition for backup purposes. |
| 14:47.10 | Guifle | BluesKaj, didnt you just write that you had no problems as home user? |
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| 14:47.19 | petn-randall | Yeah |
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| 14:47.41 | Guifle | jhutchins_wk, yes that makes more sense |
| 14:47.56 | BluesKaj | Guifle, yes, that 's on this desktop with ethernet. no wifi |
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| 14:48.24 | Guifle | BluesKaj, ah, I see |
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| 14:48.48 | Guifle | BluesKaj, so stretch cannot be used with wifi yet? |
| 14:49.08 | petn-randall | I'm guessing BluesKaj just forgot to install the firmware. |
| 14:49.21 | plasmoduck | is there an easy way to encrypt my drive? |
| 14:49.28 | petn-randall | Guifle: wifi works fine here on two machines running stretch. |
| 14:49.38 | petn-randall | plasmoduck: Yes, use LUKS. |
| 14:49.57 | jhutchins_wk | Guifle: There's a wide variation in wifi chipsets. Some work, some don't, many require a little extra effort to set up. |
| 14:50.09 | plasmoduck | some gui program |
| 14:50.16 | plasmoduck | gpartd? |
| 14:50.31 | BluesKaj | Guifle, well, I'm not sure, because i found out later that the wifi channels 1 and 11 had problems on stretch, which i also had on jessie , and solved by switching a different wifi channel on the router. |
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| 14:51.03 | seoner | petn-randall: What I want is full disk encryption so nobody can access my hard drive. And Im not sure what method I should use. |
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| 14:51.14 | Guifle | petn-randall, ah, nice :) is it the same firmware as in jessie; 'iwlwifi-5000-1.ucode'? and which one of those shown is required; 5000-2,3,4,5 ? |
| 14:51.32 | petn-randall | seoner: LUKS+LVM is completely fine for that. Just remember that with encryption, if you loose the password, the data is forever gone. |
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| 14:51.46 | darxmurf | plasmoduck: did you try with cryptsetup ? |
| 14:51.52 | darxmurf | it's not a GUI but not that complicated |
| 14:52.01 | seoner | petn-randall: Okay, thank you. |
| 14:52.10 | Guifle | BluesKaj, ah, I see |
| 14:52.11 | petn-randall | seoner: Also, if the LUKS header, which contains the password-protected key, is damaged, the data is also gone. So I recommend making regular backups. |
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| 14:53.02 | BluesKaj | Guifle, so I'm happy with stretch on the desktop and jessie on the laptop for now |
| 14:53.16 | snowkrash | jhutchins_wk, do i have to remove sendmail? |
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| 14:53.55 | Guifle | petn-randall, are the two machines both laptops? |
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| 14:54.43 | plasmoduck | also, whats the command to update adobe-flash |
| 14:55.23 | lroe | plasmoduck, update-flashplugin-nonfree --install ? |
| 14:55.31 | plasmoduck | thats the one;) |
| 14:56.07 | plasmoduck | wow, 404 |
| 14:56.07 | jhutchins_wk | snowkrash: You probably don't have the sendmail package installed. dpkg -l | grep sendmail |
| 14:56.25 | snowkrash | i have |
| 14:56.30 | jhutchins_wk | snowkrash: You don't actually have to remove postfix (but you already said you did). |
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| 14:56.56 | jhutchins_wk | snowkrash: Most MTAs provide a sendmail executable for compatibility. |
| 14:57.43 | petn-randall | Guifle: zes |
| 14:57.45 | petn-randall | Guifle: yes |
| 14:59.07 | erdave | hello, I have the following situation: I have no internet at my house, and I've installed debian stable. Now I just want to update my repository from my usb memory, to get the security updates, and get fresh packages from my synaptic scripts. How can I accomplish that? |
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| 15:00.49 | Guifle | petn-randall, sounds good :) currently post-installation update-upgrade doesnt happen in jessie, though. is there nothing to install, or am I missing a step? |
| 15:00.49 | erdave | I mean: made an "apt update" and get the list of actual packages from the repos, and then tell synaptic to generate the script with the needed packages. |
| 15:02.14 | petn-randall | Guifle: What do you mean with that? |
| 15:02.30 | bluss | erdave: I don't have any experience with that, but https://debian-administration.org/article/648/Offline_Package_Management_for_APT seems just like the tool |
| 15:02.39 | bluss | erdave: maybe there are other ones of the same kind |
| 15:03.03 | erdave | bluss: I'll take a look, thanks! |
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| 15:03.08 | petn-randall | bluss: apt-offline is the way to go, yes. |
| 15:03.24 | petn-randall | err, erdave ^^^ |
| 15:03.54 | bluss | hm the first question is how easy is it to install apt-offline offline |
| 15:04.17 | Guifle | petn-randall, do I need to add 'contrib' and 'non-free' to all lines in sources.list? |
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| 15:04.26 | Markow | Hi |
| 15:04.48 | Markow | I just want to say, username: "user" and password "live" indeed works! lol |
| 15:04.56 | Markow | for the Live Debian USB / CD |
| 15:04.59 | Markow | amazing |
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| 15:05.21 | erdave | bluss: jajajaja... yeah, I guess I'll have to find it out... |
| 15:05.21 | Markow | Now who should I contact at Debian to place this info on their Live CD web page? |
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| 15:05.46 | babilen | Markow: #debian-www or #debian-live on irc.oftc.net maybe |
| 15:05.46 | Markow | It really should be on their website, because who would ever guess this username / password combo? |
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| 15:06.19 | Markow | babilen: I'll look for contact info on their Live CD website, should be some e-mail address there |
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| 15:07.05 | Markow | Another thing I did when I logged in: It was required to 'sudo' into "root", so I disabled that by: passwd -d root |
| 15:07.06 | jhutchins_wk | Guifle: Only if you want programs from those repos. Contrib includes software that may rely on non-free packages. |
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| 15:07.09 | Markow | ;) |
| 15:07.36 | jhutchins_wk | Markow: It's a little inconvenient to find, but it's not impossible. |
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| 15:07.51 | ychaouche_fromdo | speak test |
| 15:07.54 | jhutchins_wk | Markow: There is documentation. |
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| 15:08.07 | ychaouche_fromdo | anyone seen "speak test" ? |
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| 15:08.23 | Markow | jhutchins_wk: It's really unfortunate that login info is not placed on the download page as it is pretty pertinent |
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| 15:08.59 | Markow | jhutchins_wk: That Live Debian 'standard' non-gui cd makes an excellent utility app |
| 15:09.00 | wreck_boo | says hello |
| 15:09.04 | snowkrash | jhutchins_wk, i see |
| 15:09.10 | ychaouche_fromdo | hello wreck_boo |
| 15:09.11 | snowkrash | i only have ssmtp |
| 15:09.13 | Guifle | jhutchins_wk after install nothing is upgraded, that's strange. have all packages been made ready through installation only? that's why I wondered whether repos were maybe missing |
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| 15:09.22 | snowkrash | it even connects to my smtp |
| 15:09.24 | Markow | jhutchins_wk: Which is why Debian should readily provide the username / password info for it |
| 15:09.30 | wreck_boo | how can i decompile a debian pacake |
| 15:09.34 | snowkrash | but tries to send root@localhost |
| 15:09.51 | ychaouche_fromdo | wreck_boo, i believe it's a xz archive |
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| 15:10.02 | plasmoduck | how can I install a free flashplugin |
| 15:10.07 | wreck_boo | no a deb file |
| 15:10.28 | wreck_boo | how can i decompile it |
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| 15:10.58 | teraflops | wreck_boo: you meant decompile a binary or decompress a debian package? |
| 15:11.04 | ychaouche_fromdo | wreck_boo, a deb file is a xz file |
| 15:11.15 | ychaouche_fromdo | only with a .deb extension isntead of .xz |
| 15:11.24 | ychaouche_fromdo | try ar x on it |
| 15:11.34 | teraflops | because decompile!=decompress |
| 15:11.38 | wreck_boo | ok yzchaouche_fromdo |
| 15:11.44 | wreck_boo | how can i? |
| 15:11.45 | Markow | Anyway, thanks again for the assistance on this channel! |
| 15:11.52 | BluesKaj | Guifle, hope you did apt update after changing the sources.list |
| 15:12.05 | ychaouche_fromdo | <ychaouche_fromdo> try ar x on it |
| 15:12.15 | Guifle | BluesKaj, sure |
| 15:12.25 | teraflops | that's for unpack it |
| 15:12.28 | BluesKaj | Guifle, i had to ask :-) |
| 15:12.35 | petn-randall | Guifle: Show us the problem you're seeing, I'm having a difficult time to follow what you're talking about. |
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| 15:12.50 | Guifle | BluesKaj, yes, sure :) |
| 15:13.05 | ychaouche_fromdo | I am on rescue mode and wonder if I should select sda5 or Assemble RAID ? |
| 15:13.07 | wreck_boo | ok so a package of say squid i shld try: ar x squid...........deb? |
| 15:13.12 | ychaouche_fromdo | I have hardware RAID |
| 15:13.19 | Guifle | petn-randall, I just wondered why apt-get update/upgrade doesn't update-upgrade anything |
| 15:13.24 | Guifle | didn't |
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| 15:13.33 | ychaouche_fromdo | wreck_boo, uyp |
| 15:13.34 | Markow | Btw, what's the best ZFS to use for Debian? |
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| 15:13.37 | ychaouche_fromdo | yup* |
| 15:13.38 | Markow | There are several |
| 15:13.49 | Markow | ZoL ? |
| 15:13.52 | petn-randall | Guifle: It does, but only when there is something to upgrade. |
| 15:14.01 | BluesKaj | Guifle, do sudo apt dist-upgrade |
| 15:14.18 | Guifle | petn-randall, but right after install there is always something to upgrade, no? |
| 15:14.26 | Guifle | BluesKaj, yes, I tried it, too |
| 15:14.48 | Markow | Another question, on Debian, what's more bleeding edge: "SiD (Unstable)" or "Experimental" ? |
| 15:15.08 | bluss | Markow: they are not the same kind of thing |
| 15:15.26 | TimurTheLame | Markow, you should probably use sid |
| 15:15.31 | Markow | I know they are not the same |
| 15:15.43 | BluesKaj | check your package manager sources, make sure they're changed , Markow |
| 15:15.55 | teraflops | none of them. Markow what does bleeding edge mean for you? |
| 15:16.09 | Markow | teraflops: Most recent version of the packages |
| 15:16.11 | bluss | Markow: they are not even the same kind, experimental is just carrying a few experimental packages, not a complete debian system |
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| 15:16.55 | Markow | Probably sid |
| 15:17.00 | Markow | ok |
| 15:18.46 | wreck_boo | now to build a debain package with python what do i do |
| 15:19.02 | wreck_boo | all the source code are written in python... |
| 15:19.10 | ychaouche_fromdo | grub should be installed in master boot record of first drive, not in a partition, right ? |
| 15:19.18 | ychaouche_fromdo | I have only Debian on this system I want to rescue |
| 15:19.37 | TimurTheLame | ychaouche_fromdo, yep |
| 15:19.41 | ychaouche_fromdo | 3 partitions /dev/sda1 for /, /dev/sda2 for swap and /dev/sda5 for /var |
| 15:19.56 | ychaouche_fromdo | ok thanks TimurTheLame |
| 15:19.59 | TimurTheLame | ychaouche_fromdo, on /dev/sda |
| 15:20.44 | ychaouche_fromdo | I hope this will fix it |
| 15:20.56 | ychaouche_fromdo | reboots |
| 15:21.10 | wreck_boo | ask how to build a package for debian written in python |
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| 15:22.02 | petn-randall | Guifle: It already downloads the current packages from the repositories during installation. |
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| 15:22.58 | Guifle | petn-randall, ah, then that's why |
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| 15:23.15 | wreck_boo | needs answers |
| 15:24.03 | petn-randall | wreck_boo: Tell us about your goal, not what you think the solution is. |
| 15:24.43 | Guifle | petn-randall, as for wifi, which package do I need to install? during install I was shown 'iwlwifi-5000-1.ucode' (and same with 5000-2,3,4,5) |
| 15:24.46 | ychaouche_fromdo | reinstalled grub, still the same erroneous UUID in the ALERT message at boot time and my debian won't boot. |
| 15:24.55 | ychaouche_fromdo | Where is it taking this uuid from ? |
| 15:25.08 | petn-randall | ychaouche_fromdo: /etc/fstab |
| 15:25.31 | petn-randall | ychaouche_fromdo: If you updated that, you might need to update the initramfs with 'update-initramfs -k all'. |
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| 15:26.14 | wreck_boo | i have built a large block of cold written in python i want to distribute it as a debian package not as a module since it relies on a lot of debian binaries |
| 15:26.19 | wreck_boo | how do i do it |
| 15:26.21 | wreck_boo | ? |
| 15:26.35 | ychaouche_fromdo | petn-randall, the /etc/fstab is emtpy at the initramfs prompt, but non-empty when I boot from the rescue CD and mount /dev/sda1 on / |
| 15:26.39 | petn-randall | Guifle: There are several packages named 'firmware-<foo>', check from the description which one you need. There's no downside in installing a firmware package you don't need. |
| 15:27.01 | ychaouche_fromdo | petn-randall, the one in /dev/sda1 includes the correct uuid |
| 15:27.01 | petn-randall | ychaouche_fromdo: Yes, of course I'm referring to the /etc/fstab in your system. |
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| 15:27.21 | ychaouche_fromdo | petn-randall, well at boot it seems it's not reading from it. |
| 15:27.29 | ychaouche_fromdo | will check again |
| 15:27.39 | Guifle | petn-randall, but the above ones were shown to me during install, and I was asked if I had them on a removable media. so one of these must be correct, I presume=? |
| 15:27.48 | petn-randall | ychaouche_fromdo: Then your initramfs needs updating (see above). |
| 15:28.06 | ychaouche_fromdo | petn-randall, from the prompt or from the rescue CD ? |
| 15:28.19 | petn-randall | ychaouche_fromdo: From within the chroot. |
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| 15:28.35 | ychaouche_fromdo | has to figure out what the chroot is in this particular situation |
| 15:28.41 | petn-randall | !tell ychaouche_fromdo -about chroot |
| 15:28.47 | petn-randall | ychaouche_fromdo: check dpkg's msg |
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| 15:29.15 | wreck_boo | needs answers |
| 15:29.23 | rmrfchik | where I can ask about icedove->thunderbird transition? |
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| 15:29.43 | ychaouche_fromdo | oh ok from the CD |
| 15:30.09 | ychaouche_fromdo | wreck_boo, I'm sure that debian packaging is documented somewhere on the Internet. |
| 15:31.04 | petn-randall | wreck_boo: https://mentors.debian.net/intro-maintainers |
| 15:31.04 | wreck_boo | yeah using c binaries but am working on python3 |
| 15:31.38 | petn-randall | wreck_boo: Start at "3." if you don't want to package it for inclusion in Debian. |
| 15:32.14 | wreck_boo | says thanks |
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| 15:35.13 | ychaouche_fromdo | that's strange, blkid doesn't show /dev/sda2 at all |
| 15:36.40 | petn-randall | wreck_boo: You're welcome. |
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| 15:38.20 | ychaouche_fromdo | dmsg has 3 lines : "/dev/sda2 unable to read superblock" |
| 15:38.26 | jhutchins_wk | ,v php |
| 15:38.27 | judd | Package: php on amd64 -- stretch: 1:7.0+49; sid: 1:7.0+51 |
| 15:39.03 | petn-randall | ychaouche_fromdo: Can you use pastebinit to show us the complete output? |
| 15:39.17 | jhutchins_wk | ,v mod-php |
| 15:39.18 | judd | No package named 'mod-php' was found in amd64. |
| 15:39.41 | ychaouche_fromdo | fsck /dev/sda2/ says : attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while trying to open /dev/sda2/ |
| 15:39.58 | ychaouche_fromdo | petn-randall, that's a phyical machine so I guess not. |
| 15:40.01 | Guifle | thank you all for your help! I will leave shortly and be back in a bit :) |
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| 15:40.33 | ychaouche_fromdo | petn-randall, if it were a virtual machine I guess I could have copy/paste options but here... |
| 15:40.41 | petn-randall | !pastebinit |
| 15:40.41 | dpkg | A command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
| 15:40.45 | petn-randall | ychaouche_fromdo: ^^^ |
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| 15:41.51 | ychaouche_fromdo | petn-randall, for some reason I also couldn't configure the network, I also had an error message about a required proprietary driver in order for my NICs to be operational |
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| 15:45.06 | ychaouche_fromdo | update-initramfs asks about wether to create a new initramfs or update an existing one (-c or -u) ? |
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| 15:50.00 | petn-randall | ychaouche_fromdo: update-initramfs -k all -u |
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| 15:51.58 | ychaouche_fromdo | thanks petn-randall, I was being cautious. |
| 15:52.23 | ychaouche_fromdo | I'll try and reboot now |
| 15:52.29 | ychaouche_fromdo | Didn't reinstall the grub again |
| 15:52.36 | ychaouche_fromdo | I think I don't need to |
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| 15:55.45 | ychaouche_fromdo | problem persists :( |
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| 16:02.56 | ychaouche_fromdo | I'll leave it here for today. |
| 16:03.01 | ychaouche_fromdo | Thanks to all who helped |
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| 16:03.12 | cluelessperson | Hey guys, I'm trying to get as SMALL of a debian footprint as possible, I've installed minbase , 124 MB, any suggestions? |
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| 16:05.51 | dontknow | cluelessperson, are you going to install desktop environment? |
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| 16:10.10 | mandeep | is there a recommended way to improve font smoothing/rendering on mate? |
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| 16:10.38 | mandeep | theres seems to be many options, but not sure which is the best |
| 16:10.44 | plasmoduck | how do I update my graphics drivers? Why isn't apt update/upgrade doing it for me? :/ |
| 16:11.06 | mandeep | plasmoduck: which video card/ |
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| 16:11.35 | plasmoduck | "This game requires OpenGL Version 3.0 however you have version 2.*.* installed, please upgrade your driver" |
| 16:11.40 | plasmoduck | It's a laptop |
| 16:11.47 | plasmoduck | intel intergrated I think |
| 16:12.06 | mandeep | and you're on jessie? |
| 16:12.06 | greycat | start with lspci -nn | grep -i vga |
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| 16:12.48 | plasmoduck | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0046] (rev 02) |
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| 16:13.20 | plasmoduck | I wish that I had jessies girl |
| 16:13.45 | zykotick9 | does anyone have any information on what happened to "release" from mozilla.debian.net? i'm getting an error from "apt update", so i visted the webpage, and it's "Sorry, this version is not available." it was there yesterday?!?! |
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| 16:14.32 | dontknow | :O |
| 16:14.42 | towo` | plasmoduck, you would need a newer mesa, kernel, drm and intel-ddx |
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| 16:15.00 | plasmoduck | towo`: where do I get that? |
| 16:15.12 | towo` | not from stable afaik |
| 16:15.13 | plasmoduck | from the store? |
| 16:15.26 | plasmoduck | how about if im testing? |
| 16:15.33 | dontknow | plasmoduck, what is the generation of cpu |
| 16:15.45 | plasmoduck | core i5 vPro |
| 16:15.50 | bluss | zykotick9: most likely because firefox got a new version |
| 16:15.56 | dontknow | plasmoduck, write full name |
| 16:16.04 | greycat | plasmoduck: yes, towo` is suggesting that you may do better on stretch (which is currently frozen testing) |
| 16:16.05 | towo` | plasmoduck, oh, backports has 13.0.5, could be enaugth |
| 16:16.15 | plasmoduck | m 560 |
| 16:16.27 | greycat | although if jessie-backports works.... |
| 16:16.28 | dontknow | i don't know what is that! |
| 16:16.31 | towo` | that's skylake |
| 16:16.47 | plasmoduck | ok im on stretch now |
| 16:16.53 | dontknow | ah ok. it supports opengl 3.0 then |
| 16:16.54 | plasmoduck | ill try on this computer |
| 16:16.55 | towo` | you realy need at minimum backports kaernel, drm and intel-ddx |
| 16:17.04 | towo` | i would go with stretch |
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| 16:17.23 | plasmoduck | so how do I upgrade them? Im on the stretch laptop |
| 16:17.31 | towo` | and you need non-free firmware |
| 16:17.38 | greycat | !skylake |
| 16:17.38 | dpkg | an <intel-gfx> chipset requiring firmware. For jessie support, enable <backports> and <non-free sources>, then install <bpo kernel>, xserver-xorg-video-intel and firmware-misc-nonfree from jessie-backports. |
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| 16:17.57 | towo` | plasmoduck, you have testing? |
| 16:18.07 | plasmoduck | yup |
| 16:18.09 | towo` | plasmoduck, then maybe only the firmware is missing |
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| 16:18.18 | plasmoduck | I have all 3 versions of debian installed |
| 16:18.35 | plasmoduck | stable, testing, unstable |
| 16:18.40 | greycat | .oO( which 3 ) |
| 16:18.58 | greycat | So, not so much "installations" as "I am tracking each of the symlinks" |
| 16:19.15 | plasmoduck | there is like 20 computers sitting here |
| 16:19.32 | greycat | well, try installing firmware-misc-nonfree |
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| 16:20.19 | plasmoduck | thanks |
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| 16:25.09 | cluelessperson | Hey guys, I'm trying to get as SMALL of a debian footprint as possible |
| 16:25.22 | cluelessperson | So far, with deian alone, I can get a bootable ISO of 106MB |
| 16:25.33 | cluelessperson | but I'm having difficultying getting that number any lower |
| 16:25.39 | cluelessperson | Anyone have any ideas? |
| 16:25.53 | cluelessperson | I tried compiling the kernel once, but without much change |
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| 16:26.32 | babilen | cluelessperson: Why are you doing this? |
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| 16:27.29 | babilen | And 106M is pretty alright, isn't it? |
| 16:27.52 | cluelessperson | babilen: not small enough! :P |
| 16:27.58 | babilen | Why? |
| 16:28.06 | babilen | Or rather: Whatfor? |
| 16:28.08 | cluelessperson | babilen: I want < 100 MB |
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| 16:28.18 | cluelessperson | babilen: because it's a livecd that boots into RAM |
| 16:28.24 | babilen | I want a fluffy kitty, but I can't have that at the moment |
| 16:28.34 | cluelessperson | babilen: kill your dog. :) |
| 16:29.00 | Iridos | hands babilen a fluffy kitten |
| 16:29.06 | TimurTheLame | cluelessperson, whaa? |
| 16:29.10 | babilen | 106M is fine for a live cd |
| 16:29.34 | babilen | Which problems are you facing? |
| 16:29.57 | TimurTheLame | cluelessperson, anyway, sorry for going on a tangent, but what's the live cd going to be used for? |
| 16:30.07 | TimurTheLame | cluelessperson, I mean, is it a hobby project or something? |
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| 16:31.10 | babilen | That isn't necessarily a tangent but crucial to solving the problem, isn't it? :) |
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| 16:32.10 | Iridos | dpkg, minimal install |
| 16:32.10 | dpkg | See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s04 for required/recommended disk space. Debian keeps the base install relatively small for both hardware requirements and flexibility. As a consequence half the people are surprised that basic tools (like bzip2) are not "default" and half think that the existing base install contains too much (cron, python, ...). Also see <emdebian> <base install> <standard task>. |
| 16:32.30 | Iridos | seems to me you're already well under the 2GB that are to be expected⦠|
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| 16:33.13 | TimurTheLame | I'm glad to know that half of debian users are bewildered by the fact that cron is part of the base system |
| 16:33.25 | TimurTheLame | Not only that, but exim4 seems to be as well |
| 16:33.29 | cluelessperson | TimurTheLame: right now it's hobby, but I'm making some hopefully portable scripts that can be used to create easy livecd tools. |
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| 16:33.49 | cluelessperson | It's useful to just have, "run commands to customize system here" and pop out a <200MB bootable iso |
| 16:33.50 | Iridos | dpkg, sort by package size |
| 16:33.50 | dpkg | to see a list of installed packages by installed size install dctrl-tools and run 'grep-status -FStatus -sInstalled-Size,Package -n "install ok installed" | paste -sd " \n" | sort -n' |
| 16:34.48 | greycat | !ds |
| 16:34.49 | dpkg | ds is a little perl script that lists installed Debian packages in descending size order. It's available at http://wooledge.org/~greg/ds or just use this "dpkg-query -W -f='${Installed-Size}\t${Package}\t${Status}\n' | grep installed | sort -rg | less", or dpigs -n 500 (in the debian-goodies pkg), or "wajig size". |
| 16:35.45 | greycat | "My cart has 7 wheels, all different!" |
| 16:35.47 | Iridos | maemo, a debian clone that ran/runs on the N900 deleted all man-pages |
| 16:35.48 | Iridos | I hated that |
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| 16:37.24 | Iridos | also, I guess this is a⦠|
| 16:37.27 | Iridos | dpkg, pure blend |
| 16:37.27 | dpkg | A Debian Pure Blend (formerly Custom Debian Distribution) is a subset of Debian configured to support a particular target group out-of-the-box. Not to be confused with distributions <based on Debian>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPureBlends http://blends.debian.org/ #debian-blends on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 16:39.02 | Iridos | there doesn't seem to be one focusing on disk space⦠but I'd go along the lines of a pure blend if I'd try to do something like that |
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| 16:40.51 | TimurTheLame | I used to have a problem with installing every single optional dependency of most packages that I installed. I usually reached ~30GB on / :D |
| 16:41.38 | SerajewelKS | i generally do a dry run install with recommends and one without, then compare the output to see what extra junk would be installed |
| 16:41.45 | SerajewelKS | and pick things out specifically if i think they would be useful |
| 16:41.51 | TimurTheLame | I cut down on them and now I have "only" 15GB :D |
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| 16:42.47 | SerajewelKS | i wish aptitude did a better job of handling recommended packages. when you go to the action summary screen, have a section "these packages will be installed because they are recommended" so that i can sort through them in one place. |
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| 16:44.07 | TimurTheLame | SerajewelKS, I'm going to get a lot of hatred for saying this, but pacman is far superior to aptitude |
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| 16:45.41 | Casper366 | hi. i hope i'm right here. is there a fstab(mount)-option to automount when connected (so not only at startup)? |
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| 16:46.28 | greycat | "connected" meaning when some network interface is brought up? or what? |
| 16:46.43 | SerajewelKS | Casper366: fstab is only read when mount and friends are executed. there's nothing there for automated mounting when devices are attached. |
| 16:46.49 | Casper366 | haha, hi greycat. connected means plugged in |
| 16:47.01 | SerajewelKS | there are daemons that will do that, and there's probably a way to configure udev to look for specific devices and mount them |
| 16:47.03 | greycat | Powered on? With electricity? That's the same as booting. |
| 16:47.29 | Casper366 | no, the pc runs and the electricity of the external hdd is plugged in |
| 16:47.52 | greycat | Oh, you want Debian to somehow detect that you have powered on and attached a new external disk? |
| 16:47.56 | Casper366 | thus beeing recognized by the system (visible in dmesg) |
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| 16:48.29 | Casper366 | damn, missus is calling for supper. bb in about 20 min :-) |
| 16:48.38 | greycat | I originally read "connected" as "my computer has been connected to a network" |
| 16:49.10 | SerajewelKS | greycat: that's what i thought at first read but on the second read i figured he meant connected by USB cable or similar |
| 16:49.53 | SerajewelKS | the terms were a bit ambiguous, but the context in the first part of the question was sufficient |
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| 16:50.33 | greycat | well, maybe by the time he comes back someone will know how to answer his question |
| 16:51.54 | cluelessperson | Here's my script to create that bootable ISO with a minimal debian installation |
| 16:51.57 | cluelessperson | https://github.com/cluelessperson/ZLIVE |
| 16:52.09 | cluelessperson | With Python, it becomes 124 MB |
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| 17:08.47 | stoned | That's cool |
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| 17:08.54 | stoned | cluelessperson: nice job |
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| 17:09.23 | Casper366 | back. sorry for my fast dissapearance |
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| 17:10.36 | Casper366 | so, yes, i'd like a hdd be automounted when attatched (better word than connected) |
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| 17:11.23 | Casper366 | while pondering on my problem over meal i remembered a package called usbautomount or similar. i think i'll try if thats possible |
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| 17:11.44 | stoned | try pmount |
| 17:11.45 | greycat | google said "usbmount" which is apparently not in stretch, but is in wheezy, jessie and sid |
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| 17:12.31 | stoned | ,v pmount |
| 17:12.32 | judd | Package: pmount on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.9.23-2; jessie: 0.9.23-3+b1; sid: 0.9.23-3+b2; stretch: 0.9.23-3+b2; experimental: 0.9.99-alpha-1 |
| 17:12.45 | greycat | The pkg description for pmount says nothing about automounting or detection. |
| 17:12.57 | stoned | https://wiki.debian.org/pmount |
| 17:13.15 | stoned | I used it once in etch. |
| 17:13.17 | stoned | I think. |
| 17:13.28 | greycat | Nothing in there about automountig. |
| 17:14.36 | stoned | Yeah, you have to set it up... |
| 17:14.39 | Casper366 | found it: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/usbmount |
| 17:14.46 | stoned | Feel free to write further the wiki article. |
| 17:14.58 | greycat | stoned: Why? It's the wrong STARTING point. |
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| 17:15.28 | stoned | That's what was advised to me once in here, and that's what I used to setup my automounting rules. |
| 17:15.47 | greycat | So what did you use for the "auto" part? |
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| 17:16.56 | stoned | for example ACTION=="add",KERNEL=="sdb*", RUN+="/usr/bin/pmount --sync --umask 000 %k" or something of that nature in udev automount rules |
| 17:17.05 | greycat | So you are actually using udev. |
| 17:17.14 | greycat | The starting point therefore would be a udev page. |
| 17:17.17 | stoned | What else is gonna use? |
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| 17:17.28 | greycat | ,info usbmount |
| 17:17.42 | judd | Package usbmount (admin, extra) in jessie/amd64: automatically mount and unmount USB mass storage devices. Version: 0.0.22; Size: 17.3k; Installed: 116k; Homepage: http://usbmount.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 17:18.04 | yeik | hello all |
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| 17:19.13 | stoned | it's automatic now, nice |
| 17:19.14 | Casper366 | that concludes my search. Thanks all for your help, especially greycat. And thanks for your time you invest in helping people like me |
| 17:19.15 | stoned | that's useful |
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| 17:19.29 | yeik | whats automatic? |
| 17:19.43 | stoned | usb automount w/ usbmount seems |
| 17:19.47 | stoned | i wonder how it does it. |
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| 17:20.38 | stoned | USBmount is intended as a lightweight solution which is independent of a desktop environment. Users which would like an icon to appear when an USB device is plugged in should use the pmount and hal packages instead. |
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| 17:21.00 | stoned | eh. |
| 17:21.14 | stoned | like I was advised once, pmount and udev. |
| 17:21.18 | stoned | have fun |
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| 17:21.44 | stoned | https://wiki.debian.org/usbmount |
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| 17:22.42 | greycat | stoned: "The script that does the mounting is called by the udev daemon." |
| 17:22.50 | greycat | from the pkg description |
| 17:22.50 | stoned | greycat: stoned> What else is gonna use? <- what else but udev? |
| 17:23.00 | greycat | well, the other choice is autofs |
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| 17:23.12 | stoned | is that used in debian? |
| 17:23.27 | greycat | But udev is a more natural fit here, because it knows about *things getting attached and detached* whereas autofs does not. |
| 17:23.39 | stoned | *nod* |
| 17:23.44 | stoned | seems like a good solution |
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| 17:47.44 | bin_bash | Hi... I can't access the wiki for some reason. Any page I go to gives me: Forbidden <p>You are not allowed to access this!</p |
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| 17:49.00 | somiaj | bin_bash: what page in paticular |
| 17:49.05 | greycat | DNS problem (you're getting the wrong IP), or you overrode it in /etc/hosts, or you tried to use an IP address in the URL instead of a hostname |
| 17:49.11 | bin_bash | somiaj: literally any of them |
| 17:49.30 | bin_bash | greycat: what IP should i be getting? |
| 17:49.32 | somiaj | bin_bash: okay, just checking it wasn't one paticular page. |
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| 17:50.18 | greycat | wiki.debian.org is a nickname for wilder.debian.org |
| 17:50.18 | greycat | wilder.debian.org has address 82.195.75.112 |
| 17:50.47 | bin_bash | anon7@singularity:~$ ping wilder.debian.org |
| 17:50.47 | bin_bash | PING wilder.debian.org (82.195.75.112) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 17:50.53 | bin_bash | that is the IP address I'm getting |
| 17:50.58 | bin_bash | and yet curl gives a 403 as well |
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| 17:52.09 | somiaj | bin_bash: are you using wilder.debian.org or wiki.debian.org in your urls? |
| 17:52.15 | bin_bash | wiki.debian.org |
| 17:53.09 | bin_bash | https://s7.postimg.org/8vaateckb/2017_03_09_1489081950_1363x708_scrot.png |
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| 17:54.39 | cluelessperson | stoned: thanks, but how can I do better? |
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| 17:55.43 | TimurTheLame | bin_bash, weird |
| 17:56.02 | bin_bash | i think my ip address is banned... |
| 17:56.08 | bin_bash | or something? |
| 17:56.08 | bin_bash | idk |
| 17:56.12 | Iridos | but the certificate seems intact |
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| 17:56.34 | Iridos | looks like it⦠maybe your IP is in a known spammer-IP range |
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| 17:56.47 | bin_bash | =/ |
| 17:57.05 | bin_bash | so how do i get my ip unbanned... i can't exactly rtfm if i'm forbidden |
| 17:57.22 | TimurTheLame | bin_bash, where are you from? |
| 17:57.29 | bin_bash | the US |
| 17:57.33 | TimurTheLame | bin_bash, lol |
| 17:57.35 | bin_bash | this IP is in NY |
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| 17:58.12 | TimurTheLame | bin_bash, don't think that they'd ban an US IP range |
| 17:58.26 | bin_bash | well apparently they did |
| 17:58.28 | plasmoduck | [04:56:44] Warning: Suspicious file types found in /dev: |
| 17:58.28 | plasmoduck | [04:56:44] /dev/shm/cjg-Shm_125376fc: data |
| 17:58.28 | plasmoduck | [04:56:44] /dev/shm/cjg-Shm_2c4a33cf: data |
| 17:58.28 | plasmoduck | [04:56:44] /dev/shm/cjg-Shm_3527aa31: PGPSecret Sub-key - |
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| 17:58.37 | bin_bash | and my IP isn't on any blocklists. |
| 17:58.47 | plasmoduck | sorry I didnt mean to send so many lines |
| 17:58.52 | plasmoduck | what is this about? |
| 17:59.09 | greycat | You are still *speculating* that the problem you are seeing is the result of an admin policy decision. |
| 17:59.17 | somiaj | bin_bash: what version of chromium is that? |
| 17:59.22 | bin_bash | somiaj: it's firefox |
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| 17:59.30 | somiaj | bin_bash: sorry firefox, can't tell them apart |
| 17:59.57 | bin_bash | somiaj: firefox-esr 45.x |
| 18:00.15 | somiaj | yea my thought doesn't apply to firefox anyways. |
| 18:00.56 | TimurTheLame | bin_bash, anything curious in a traceroute wiki.debian.org? |
| 18:01.06 | greycat | Just for grins, I tried http://wilder.debian.org/ and http://82.195.75.112/ and they both give a tiny "Welcome to wilder!" page. https://82.195.75.112/ gives me something that I think is my browser telling me it doesn't like the SSL thingy. |
| 18:01.29 | plasmoduck | should I delete them? |
| 18:01.39 | greycat | I would suspect that he has an HTTP proxy in the way, before I would suspect a problem that would show up in traceroute. |
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| 18:02.00 | TimurTheLame | bin_bash, oh yeah, are you using a proxy? |
| 18:02.12 | Iridos | that sounds likely |
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| 18:02.50 | Iridos | greycat, well, sounds likely EXCEPT that I can see the lock-sign showing an intact https connection to wiki.debian.org⦠|
| 18:02.55 | bin_bash | TimurTheLame: SOCKS5 |
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| 18:03.33 | Iridos | and how would a proxy intercept that without triggering some name conflict thing with the certificate |
| 18:04.15 | bin_bash | well when i use a different IP it works |
| 18:04.39 | bin_bash | so i think the problem is this particular IP, which is not good, since a) it's located in buffalo NY, and b) it's not on any blocklists |
| 18:04.48 | greycat | "use a different IP" meaning "I go through a different ssh -D proxy"? |
| 18:04.51 | bin_bash | yes |
| 18:04.53 | bin_bash | a different server |
| 18:05.00 | bin_bash | same method |
| 18:05.05 | greycat | Maybe your DNS is just fucked on that one server. |
| 18:05.27 | bin_bash | why would the DNS be a problem? |
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| 18:05.33 | bin_bash | it goes to the correct IP address |
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| 18:05.45 | greycat | That's the part I'm not clear on. |
| 18:05.53 | somiaj | it could be a routing/firewall issue where that request is being redirected somewhere. |
| 18:05.54 | Iridos | hm⦠funny⦠wiki.debian.org says "config available", linking to https://git.debian.org/?p=collab-maint/wiki.debian.org.git;a=summary â which is dead |
| 18:06.03 | greycat | although Iridos makes a good point about the SSL being happy |
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| 18:06.38 | bin_bash | same thing happens in chromium 55 as well |
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| 18:06.59 | bin_bash | why would the SSL have anything to do with the SOCKS connection? |
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| 18:07.11 | Iridos | bin_bash, what about https://www.dg-i.net/ ⦠can you see that site? |
| 18:07.32 | bin_bash | yep |
| 18:07.43 | greycat | bin_bash: I'm wondering if your ssh -D endpoint is connecting to the wrong web server. But Iridos points out that your browser seems happy with the SSL connection, which is evidence AGAINST my theory. |
| 18:08.03 | bin_bash | ahh i see what you mean |
| 18:08.13 | bin_bash | do you want the traceroute? hold on.... |
| 18:08.18 | wonton | is systemd riddled with CIA backdoors ? |
| 18:08.23 | bin_bash | no lol |
| 18:08.27 | bin_bash | i mean it's unlikely |
| 18:08.36 | bin_bash | im not anyone of importance |
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| 18:09.08 | Iridos | well, wiki.debian.org says that hosting is provided by https://www.dg-i.net/ ⦠that you can acces that speaks against a deliberate blocking that they use on all their sites⦠|
| 18:09.27 | bin_bash | eir sites⦠|
| 18:09.29 | bin_bash | oops |
| 18:09.34 | Iridos | wonton, no, the backdoors inside the intel chips make that unnecessary |
| 18:09.34 | bin_bash | https://dpaste.de/zvDT/raw |
| 18:09.44 | greycat | It also seems unlikely that a wiki admin trying to stop a spammer would completely disable ALL access to the wiki from an IP, instead of just disallowing edits from the IP. |
| 18:09.53 | greycat | But, it's possible. |
| 18:10.16 | bin_bash | greycat: that would have been my assumption as well, but im wondering if maybe there was smeone who had this ip or block before that was a real problem specifically for them |
| 18:10.22 | bin_bash | since i dont see it on any blocklists at all |
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| 18:11.23 | Iridos | hmm, maybe ⦠this? https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2007/03/msg03808.html but that'd be for the main site, not for the wiki |
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| 18:13.35 | Iridos | bin_bash, you could check if your IP is in that list⦠https://www.iblocklist.com/list.php?list=bt_level1 |
| 18:13.51 | bin_bash | the list loads |
| 18:13.53 | Iridos | oh, but wait⦠they were discussing iptables and this is some htaccess based thing from the look of it |
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| 18:14.26 | Iridos | forget it, that was barking up the wrong tree |
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| 18:15.08 | TimurTheLame | bin_bash, the only rational explanation is that you're being targeted by the NSA and they're playing mind games on your by refusing you access to random websites! |
| 18:15.24 | TimurTheLame | *on you |
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| 18:16.51 | Iridos | uh, the next page says that http://www.man-da.de/ provides hosting |
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| 18:31.24 | bin_bash | that site works too lol |
| 18:31.46 | bin_bash | also just checked my hosts file and nothing weird there |
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| 18:44.32 | coreutil | hello ! :) how can I install wifi firware on stretch? can I use this package for jessie: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/firmware-iwlwifi |
| 18:44.33 | coreutil | ? |
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| 18:45.08 | greycat | ,v firmware-iwlwifi |
| 18:45.09 | judd | Package: firmware-iwlwifi on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free: 20161130-2~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-2; sid/non-free: 20161130-2 |
| 18:45.17 | greycat | looks like it exists in stretch too |
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| 18:47.36 | coreutil | oh yes, indeed, greycat, you're right..the package contains a number of versions. so with the install, I will have version that I don't need, too? |
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| 18:49.07 | greycat | What. |
| 18:49.14 | towo` | you not really have a clue, how package management works? |
| 18:49.31 | coreutil | you're asking me? |
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| 18:49.43 | towo` | coreutil, who else? |
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| 18:49.48 | coreutil | I dont know |
| 18:49.52 | coreutil | I am not alone here |
| 18:50.08 | coreutil | yes, I dont have a clue. is that a sin and a shameà |
| 18:50.09 | coreutil | ? |
| 18:50.40 | towo` | learn the debian basics |
| 18:50.42 | n4dir | if you don't have a clue you probably shouldn't be running stretch (assuming stretch is testing). |
| 18:50.50 | greycat | yes, stretch is testing |
| 18:50.52 | coreutil | thanks. but I will run it. |
| 18:51.12 | coreutil | now if I can get for my real question from someone, I will be thankful |
| 18:51.17 | coreutil | get help* |
| 18:51.31 | towo` | apt install firmware-iwlwifi |
| 18:51.32 | n4dir | apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi |
| 18:52.07 | n4dir | won't hurt to post your sources list, coreutil |
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| 18:53.53 | coreutil | do I need to install 'wireless-tools' at all? |
| 18:54.18 | coreutil | it is referred as prereq. on wiki |
| 18:54.34 | greycat | If it is literally required by the package, apt will pull it in. |
| 18:55.08 | coreutil | ah, ok, thanks |
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| 18:56.11 | coreutil | will be back in a min |
| 18:57.37 | Iridos | well, but the firmware package doesn't depend on anything because it only contains the firmware blob⦠which I guess is loaded in by the kernel itself in some way⦠|
| 18:58.31 | Iridos | but seems to me like you need/want wirelesstools if you actually want to use the wireless |
| 18:58.49 | coreutil | back again..I installed firmware-iwlwifi. do I need to restart? |
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| 18:59.30 | jpw | you shouldnt have to |
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| 19:00.06 | jpw | if you type `ip l\ you should see your wireless card |
| 19:00.45 | coreutil | jpw, I installed them all, but no wifi appeared. now that I restarted, I have the, |
| 19:00.48 | coreutil | them* |
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| 19:01.18 | jpw | let me just read the backlog, 1 sec |
| 19:01.18 | aesthetik | Click on the link and get $110! |
| 19:01.18 | aesthetik | https://richmondberks.com/?ref=rbd118972 |
| 19:01.18 | aesthetik | - Make 1,5% Daily profit ! |
| 19:01.18 | aesthetik | - Invite a friend and get 1$ as a gift ! |
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| 19:01.26 | coreutil | by the way, so I dont need to install the deb package from the net? |
| 19:01.42 | greycat | coreutil: you should be installing everything with apt-get |
| 19:01.48 | greycat | (or aptitude, or apt, or synaptic) |
| 19:01.52 | coreutil | greycat, right |
| 19:02.03 | n4dir | no, you use apt-get, aptitude or one of the gui frontends (synaptic?) coreutil |
| 19:02.24 | n4dir | dang, too slow |
| 19:02.28 | stoned | sometimes you can install from the net, using a .deb packages (which is not in repository) but that's not uspported |
| 19:02.39 | stoned | only official reposityr packages are uspported (techsupport wise) |
| 19:03.13 | greycat | For coreutil in particular, that would be an EXTREMELY unwise idea. He doesn't even understand the basic concepts. |
| 19:03.37 | n4dir | to solve the wireless problem you will probably have to offer some of this info: ifconfig, ifconfig -a, lspci ; or lspci | grep -i net (or such) |
| 19:04.00 | jpw | *ahem* iwconfig or ip please :p |
| 19:04.05 | n4dir | use pastebinit (the program) or a side like paste.debian.net to give that info |
| 19:04.27 | coreutil | greycat before I talked to you here, I'd first found this deb page, and installed it, frankly. is my system darned forever now? |
| 19:04.33 | n4dir | jpw: sure. old dogs don't learn new tricks. aka my fault |
| 19:04.45 | greycat | coreutil: what *precisely* did you do? What commands did you run? |
| 19:05.38 | coreutil | greycat, I went to the deb package page, clicked on 'all', selected a mirror and downloaded deb. then ran 'dpkg -i *.deb' |
| 19:05.57 | jpw | facepalms |
| 19:05.58 | greycat | Which packages did you install this way? What filenames? |
| 19:07.27 | coreutil | it was 'firmware-iwlwifi_20161130-2_all.deb' |
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| 19:08.29 | greycat | That is the stretch version. So if you are really running stretch as you claimed, that should be perfectly fine. And apt-get install should do nothing since you already have the current version. |
| 19:09.10 | coreutil | greycat, so it was fine to download from the wild web instead of apt-get? |
| 19:09.34 | greycat | No. You got lucky. |
| 19:09.42 | stoned | web is wild. |
| 19:09.48 | stoned | web gone wild. |
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| 19:10.53 | dowwie | debian stretch cannot come quickly enough |
| 19:11.59 | coreutil | can I get sha256sum etc. from somewhere? I cant see it on the page |
| 19:12.23 | greycat | wooledg@wooledg:~$ type sha256sum |
| 19:12.23 | greycat | sha256sum is /usr/bin/sha256sum |
| 19:12.35 | greycat | wooledg@wooledg:~$ dpkg -S /usr/bin/sha256sum |
| 19:12.35 | greycat | coreutils: /usr/bin/sha256sum |
| 19:12.48 | sonOfRa | sha256sum is part of coreutils, isn't it |
| 19:12.51 | greycat | Yes. |
| 19:12.54 | BluesKaj | dowwie, it's stable for home users who don't kmail/PIM/akonadi/mysql |
| 19:12.57 | jpw | yea it should be standard |
| 19:13.01 | BluesKaj | need |
| 19:13.11 | greycat | Not just standard. Required. |
| 19:13.14 | coreutil | I found the sha256sum by command line, but I need to compare it with the one on download page |
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| 19:13.27 | greycat | coreutil: what the FUCK are you talking about |
| 19:13.44 | coreutil | greycat, maybe go grab a coffee? |
| 19:13.48 | jpw | im fairly sure he's trolling now |
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| 19:13.53 | n4dir | yup |
| 19:13.54 | BluesKaj | greycat, easy now.... |
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| 19:15.00 | dowwie | wait, mysql is bundled in stretch? |
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| 19:15.17 | jpw | coreutil: in case you are being serious `sha256sum --version` |
| 19:15.53 | jpw | however if you're not, please quit. thanks |
| 19:16.02 | coreutil | jpw I thing those here didnt understand my sentence. I just meant to say that I precisely did that on terminal |
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| 19:16.40 | TomTomTosch | you want the hash to check if the package you downloaded is not corrupted? |
| 19:16.41 | BluesKaj | dowwie, yes |
| 19:16.44 | jhutchins_wk | dowwie: Bundled? |
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| 19:16.59 | dowwie | BluesKaj: is postgres ? |
| 19:17.07 | greycat | If you want to replace your manual download with the one from apt, use: apt-get --reinstall install pkgname |
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| 19:17.40 | dowwie | ah I understand now, nvmd |
| 19:17.46 | BluesKaj | dowwie, no postgres |
| 19:17.57 | coreutil | and I need to verify the terminal output by comparing it to the value on the download page. right? |
| 19:18.05 | jpw | coreutil: you were talking about firmware-iwlwifi a second ago. I assume english isn't your first language but please articulate ecaxtly what you would like help with. im very confused right now :) |
| 19:18.45 | jpw | yes that is correct. |
| 19:18.56 | greycat | terminal output OF WHAT. FOR WHAT PURPOSE. WHY. |
| 19:19.19 | coreutil | greycat, feel free to withdraw from conversation if that doesnt appeal to you |
| 19:19.42 | greycat | coreutil: feel free to stop being a fucking idiot |
| 19:20.15 | jpw | greycat: please keep it professional |
| 19:20.26 | n4dir | someone has to say it |
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| 19:20.43 | greycat | He doesn't get to be an idiot and then insult me because I ask him to clarify. No. |
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| 19:21.22 | coreutil | fuck you dumbass! you insult people, who the fuck do you think you are? a troll or a FOSS developer? |
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| 19:21.35 | heap_ | auto eth0 |
| 19:21.38 | coreutil | in a place like FOSS what do you have to do? |
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| 19:21.44 | heap_ | helped, thanks it leases its ip |
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| 19:23.18 | Dark-Root | hello |
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| 19:36.00 | tharkun | If I want to download a set of files using the ftp provided program how can I do it. |
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| 19:37.20 | greycat | mget command inside ftp |
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| 19:44.08 | jelly | wonders if .netrc is still a thing |
| 19:44.18 | greycat | Far as I know. |
| 19:44.22 | aparaatti | hi firewalld.service won't start in debian stretch, anyone have any pointers what might be wrong/where to look? |
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| 19:44.41 | greycat | Hah. I don't have ftp installed.... |
| 19:44.43 | aparaatti | i have tried to reinstall it and dependencies with apt-get install --reinstall |
| 19:44.54 | aparaatti | also purged firewalld |
| 19:45.18 | jelly | aparaatti: which package provides that service? |
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| 19:45.56 | aparaatti | jelly: it's firewalld |
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| 19:46.12 | jelly | ha. Oh well, try asking in |
| 19:46.18 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 19:46.18 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 19:46.38 | aparaatti | oh, thanks! will do |
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| 19:48.34 | OnceMe | does php7 comes with debian 8? |
| 19:48.45 | likcoras | Hi, I'm having trouble connecting to ftp with explicit tls. lftp and pure-ftpd. logs: https://paste.debian.net/919018/ https://paste.debian.net/919020/ |
| 19:48.53 | greycat | ... and yes, stretch ftp(1) still has .netrc |
| 19:49.10 | bin_bash | no |
| 19:49.15 | bin_bash | damnit wrong channel |
| 19:49.16 | bin_bash | sorry |
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| 19:50.03 | bin_bash | OnceMe: i think only stretch & sid |
| 19:50.10 | OnceMe | not jessie? |
| 19:50.11 | bin_bash | https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=php7.0 |
| 19:50.26 | jelly | judd: v php7 |
| 19:50.27 | judd | No package named 'php7' was found in amd64. |
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| 19:50.35 | likcoras | What am I doing wrong? |
| 19:50.42 | OnceMe | how to install php7 then?> |
| 19:50.48 | jelly | judd: v php7.1 |
| 19:50.50 | judd | Package: php7.1 on amd64 -- sid: 7.1.0-5; sid: 7.1.1-1 |
| 19:51.00 | greycat | Sid, or sid. |
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| 19:51.13 | jelly | OnceMe: from sources, into a custom prefix like /opt/php7 ? |
| 19:51.14 | bin_bash | OnceMe: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=install+php7+debian+jessie |
| 19:51.30 | jelly | judd: v php7.0 |
| 19:51.31 | judd | Package: php7.0 on amd64 -- sid: 7.0.14-2; stretch: 7.0.16-3; sid: 7.0.16-3 |
| 19:51.34 | OnceMe | is dotdeb good? |
| 19:51.40 | bin_bash | greycat: lol two good choices :P |
| 19:51.47 | bin_bash | don't like sid? use sid! |
| 19:51.52 | jelly | OnceMe: not really, but I guess it's better than nothing |
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| 19:52.12 | bin_bash | OnceMe: do you need php7 for sure |
| 19:52.43 | OnceMe | bin_bash: yes why? |
| 19:53.01 | bin_bash | just curious |
| 19:53.38 | bin_bash | is this a personal server or a production one or a desktop/laptop/etc |
| 19:53.47 | OnceMe | production |
| 19:53.48 | jelly | I'd probably go with stretch but I'm a seasoned debianite |
| 19:53.49 | OnceMe | why is dotdeb bad? |
| 19:54.24 | jelly | their packages are sometimes half-assed and they don't care about upgradeability when the next release happens |
| 19:54.24 | bin_bash | i still get stretch and sid confused :( |
| 19:54.31 | bin_bash | it's been explained to me and ive read about it |
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| 19:54.41 | bin_bash | but i have some kind of mental block lol |
| 19:55.19 | OnceMe | jelly: so what is my option to install php7 then? |
| 19:55.24 | OnceMe | every tutorial reocmmends dotdeb |
| 19:55.25 | jelly | OnceMe: from sources, into a custom prefix like /opt/php7 ? |
| 19:55.55 | OnceMe | jelly: any tutorial on installation from sources? |
| 19:56.07 | jelly | i mean sure, go install dotdeb, just don't come crying back here if something breaks down the line |
| 19:56.21 | jelly | no tutorials, sorry |
| 19:57.01 | bin_bash | there are if you google it |
| 19:57.10 | jelly | I've seen very few tutorials that explain what to do when things go wrong, and most common ways things can go wrong (if you miss a step, for example) |
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| 19:57.37 | jelly | bin_bash: yeah no. Telling people to "google it" is amazingly not that helpful |
| 19:57.47 | bin_bash | why? i just did and got numerous results |
| 19:58.08 | jelly | which one of the fifty are bound to have least issues? |
| 19:58.37 | jelly | which one will give OnceMe less problems when they do a release upgrade to stretch 6 months from now? |
| 19:59.03 | jelly | which one is not just a stream of steps and hope nothing goes bad? |
| 19:59.11 | jelly | !tutorials |
| 19:59.11 | dpkg | A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their system without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way. |
| 19:59.38 | bin_bash | jelly: i never said that there are comprehensive spoon-feeding sites |
| 19:59.42 | bin_bash | i said there are tutorials |
| 19:59.43 | bin_bash | https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html |
| 19:59.53 | jelly | bin_bash: also, they can think of that THEMSELVES without someone parroting that line |
| 20:00.04 | bin_bash | jelly: except this guy didn't seem to think of it |
| 20:00.47 | jelly | bin_bash: ok. Let me spell it clearly: don't do that unless you can point to a specific result that you've personally verified it works well |
| 20:01.02 | bin_bash | i just linked to one |
| 20:01.05 | Iridos | There's been times in my life where I followed tutorials⦠on random blogs or whatever⦠and the really annoying thing is that they often just don't say what it is that they're doing at that point and why |
| 20:01.28 | jelly | bin_bash: and no, apt howto won't tell one how to build decent packages for a newer php |
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| 20:01.34 | bin_bash | also think about how many peoiple come on irc to ask a question without having ever looked it up, or done any of their own research with the expectation of being spoon-fed and hand-held through the whole experience |
| 20:01.52 | jhutchins_wk | Iridos: I hate when there's no date and no version numbers mentioned. |
| 20:02.03 | Iridos | that's nice, too |
| 20:02.44 | bin_bash | or what about this one, jelly https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-compile-and-install-php-7-on-debian-jessie-linux |
| 20:02.59 | jhutchins_wk | Someone at work sent me documentation for setting up PHP 5.4/5.5 on RH, and they installed PHP7. |
| 20:03.00 | bin_bash | like there are a lot of things he could have at least attempting to search for before joining. |
| 20:03.03 | jelly | bin_bash: I don't know. What about it? Have you tested it? |
| 20:03.18 | jelly | do you KNOW it works? |
| 20:03.39 | bin_bash | i haven't personally done it since im using php5 for now |
| 20:03.46 | jelly | then don't suggest it please |
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| 20:04.14 | bin_bash | so only suggestions for things we've personally done are allowed?? |
| 20:04.16 | jelly | you don't have to answer every question. Deal with stuff you got personal hands-on experience with |
| 20:04.27 | bin_bash | i do ahve experience with compiling from source though |
| 20:04.34 | jelly | bin_bash: if you have to ask that, yes |
| 20:04.45 | bin_bash | well that's an interesting way of doing things, but ok |
| 20:04.45 | jhutchins_wk | bin_bash: sid is always sid, no matter what the releases are. |
| 20:04.55 | bin_bash | this is the first irc channel where i've heard of a rule like that |
| 20:05.03 | bin_bash | jhutchins_wk: what are you talking about |
| 20:05.13 | jelly | because it's trivially easy for any non-idiot to look up some keywords on google and read it themselves |
| 20:05.25 | bin_bash | yea but you're assuming that people who come on irc are non-idiots |
| 20:05.30 | bin_bash | that;s a very large assumption |
| 20:05.31 | jelly | yes |
| 20:05.48 | jelly | if they're idiots, they shouldn't be using debian |
| 20:05.57 | bin_bash | a lot of idiots use debian lol |
| 20:06.02 | n4dir | it is also trivially easy for any idiot to state that google has the answer. |
| 20:06.08 | jelly | ^^ |
| 20:06.13 | bin_bash | a lot of idiots who don't know how to google but there's no point in arguing |
| 20:06.17 | bin_bash | if that's the rule, then that's the rule |
| 20:06.52 | jelly | you're allowed to give a specific search query that has the correct answer in the first 3 results. |
| 20:07.08 | jelly | but "google it" is just insulting |
| 20:07.08 | bin_bash | ok |
| 20:07.10 | jhutchins_wk | bin_bash: You said you confused stretch & sid. Sid is always sid, no matter what release is in testing or prod. |
| 20:07.29 | bin_bash | jhutchins_wk: i only meant which is more bleeding edge |
| 20:07.36 | bin_bash | "testing" vs "unstable" |
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| 20:08.08 | jhutchins_wk | bin_bash: testing is a release in development. sid is packages headed toward testing. |
| 20:09.25 | bin_bash | so it goes stable -> testing -> sid? |
| 20:09.47 | bin_bash | currently it would be jessie -> stretch -> sid |
| 20:09.52 | n4dir | and old-stable. no idea if experimental is still around too ... |
| 20:09.59 | bin_bash | jessie is most stable, sid is least? |
| 20:10.34 | greycat | jessie is the most recent stable release, from ~2 years ago. |
| 20:11.01 | teraflops | bin_bash: after the long idiot speech are you really asking that here? |
| 20:11.32 | jelly | !sid faq |
| 20:11.32 | dpkg | http://deb.li/sidfaq ; it doesn't hurt to read the FAQ, even if you are using <testing>. See also http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/08/msg00041.html and <sid upgrade test>. |
| 20:11.52 | n4dir | https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-choosing.en.html |
| 20:12.24 | bin_bash | teraflops: i guess you missed my joking comment earlier when i said i have a mental block regarding the release names |
| 20:12.49 | teraflops | sure |
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| 20:13.17 | n4dir | might be an idea to assume that other people have blocks too, only different ones bin_bash |
| 20:13.20 | bin_bash | i can repaste it for you if you need it... i have read the docs and when i need to remember i look it up, but in general discussion i always seem to get them confused |
| 20:13.32 | bin_bash | n4dir: of course |
| 20:13.45 | bin_bash | that would be silly to assume otherwise lol |
| 20:13.51 | n4dir | stable should be clear, yes? |
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| 20:14.09 | bin_bash | ya i understand the different levels |
| 20:14.17 | n4dir | new software get's into unstable. and if after 10 days , or so, no bug reports, they get into testing |
| 20:14.20 | bin_bash | i just for some reason get the names mixed up in their associations |
| 20:14.23 | n4dir | testing will be the next stable |
| 20:14.25 | n4dir | helps? |
| 20:14.37 | bin_bash | right no, that part makes sense. |
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| 20:14.48 | n4dir | ah, so the problem is jessie and such? |
| 20:14.50 | bin_bash | yea |
| 20:14.57 | n4dir | welcome to my world. :-) |
| 20:15.01 | bin_bash | i just always get stretch and sid mixed up in my head lol |
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| 20:18.41 | jelly | well "stretch" didn't even exist before 2015 |
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| 20:20.49 | n4dir | correct me if i am wrong, but wasn't testing only referred to as testing in the past? Only the actual release had a "name" ? |
| 20:21.24 | greycat | testing was created many years ago to make releases more sane |
| 20:21.37 | greycat | as a buffer between sid and stable |
| 20:21.50 | n4dir | greycat: yeah, i was unclear. I meant names like "stretch" for testing right now |
| 20:22.18 | greycat | What about it? I don't understand the question. |
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| 20:22.56 | n4dir | In the past you either said lenny (or stable), but if you referred to testing, you called it "testing", not jessie (or whatever came after lenny) |
| 20:24.06 | jelly | n4dir: oh, every testing had a codename |
| 20:24.13 | jpw | nah releases even unstable have had names forever |
| 20:24.16 | n4dir | ok. thanks |
| 20:24.28 | jpw | toystory characters for the uninitiated. |
| 20:24.59 | jpw | and sid breaks all your toys. |
| 20:25.08 | n4dir | you wish it would ... |
| 20:25.12 | greycat | !sid |
| 20:25.13 | dpkg | [sid] the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
| 20:25.26 | jelly | unstable merely has a fixed codename FOREVER |
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| 20:25.52 | greycat | dpkg, sid =~ s/that, when it breaks/that when it breaks,/ |
| 20:25.52 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
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| 20:26.11 | n4dir | probably was only me who referred to stable with the "name" and to testing simply with "testing" |
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| 20:26.57 | jelly | all the codename references are so confusing to a newbie |
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| 20:27.37 | n4dir | or if you don't deal with it every day ... |
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| 20:29.30 | jpw | even if you do, i still think we're on lenny |
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| 20:29.37 | jpw | my brain will catch up eventually |
| 20:29.39 | n4dir | lol. |
| 20:29.44 | jhutchins_wk | Figuring out which codename was what release can be tough for people who don't constantly follow it. Fortunately, easy to look up. |
| 20:29.59 | userro | how to run get packages designed for different architecture? |
| 20:30.16 | jhutchins_wk | userro: emulator or VM. |
| 20:30.26 | greycat | unless it's i386 on amd64 |
| 20:30.57 | userro | there are deb files but I want the binary file |
| 20:31.13 | greycat | what does that MEAN. what arch are you on, and what arch is the binary program built for? |
| 20:31.26 | jelly | userro: what's your actual goal? |
| 20:31.34 | userro | I am testing qemu |
| 20:31.52 | jelly | qemu user/syscall wrappers? |
| 20:32.04 | userro | I want different package to test if it works |
| 20:32.18 | userro | qemu user mode |
| 20:32.22 | jelly | userro: what kind of "different package"? |
| 20:32.23 | greycat | hopes jelly understands this, because I sure as hell don't |
| 20:32.41 | teraflops | e.g you can run x86 binaries in arm with qemu |
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| 20:33.00 | userro | yes |
| 20:33.02 | jelly | userro: stupid way: set up a chroot for the non-native arch using debootstrap or similar |
| 20:33.40 | jelly | more stupid way: enable the foreign arch with dpkg multiarch capabilities |
| 20:33.59 | jelly | then install whatever package:whateverarch |
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| 20:35.02 | jelly | !multiarch |
| 20:35.02 | dpkg | Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>. |
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| 20:35.33 | jelly | thus you can eg. enable "armhf" on an "amd64" installation |
| 20:35.52 | userro | oh |
| 20:36.29 | Vladimirski | I want to try my internet speed which should be 2Gbit/s and have tried speedtest but it won't come up in this high speed, is there any alternative way to test? |
| 20:36.36 | userro | does it change all my current installed packages? |
| 20:36.53 | jelly | no, it does not (read the links!) |
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| 20:37.48 | jelly | Vladimirski: does your machine have a network card that can give more than 1Gbit/s ? |
| 20:38.04 | jelly | both ways? |
| 20:38.11 | jhutchins_wk | Vladimirski: https://sourceforge.net/speedtest/?source=slashdotannouncement |
| 20:38.36 | userro | jelly, thanks |
| 20:39.07 | jhutchins_wk | jelly: A recent NIC and an SSD will usually push pretty close. |
| 20:39.23 | jelly | note that many packages are still not multiarch-enabled, and you can't have eg. coreutils:amd64 installed at the same time as coreutils:armhf |
| 20:39.40 | jhutchins_wk | jelly: Datacenters are typically 10G these days. |
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| 20:39.50 | jhutchins_wk | If not higher. |
| 20:39.50 | Vladimirski | jelly: yes, I have multiple 1gbit ethernet cards on the server and I have bonded them to my switch |
| 20:40.26 | jhutchins_wk | Vladimirski: My ssd system gets pretty close to 1G up/down on Google's test, far less on other tests. |
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| 20:40.34 | jelly | Vladimirski: bonding typically requires multiple parallel tcp (or udp) connections to be able to use all the member links |
| 20:40.35 | jhutchins_wk | (GFiber). |
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| 20:41.05 | jelly | Vladimirski: if you test with a single tcp stream, it goes thru a single member of the bond |
| 20:41.18 | Vladimirski | jelly: so I should have multiple tcp sessions with iperf for instance? |
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| 20:41.25 | jelly | yes, precisely |
| 20:41.28 | Vladimirski | I see |
| 20:41.32 | Vladimirski | thank you jelly |
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| 20:45.45 | mnd | hi guys how do I disable auto start gui while still being able to use startx? |
| 20:46.15 | greycat | !nodm |
| 20:46.15 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (http://www.enricozini.org/sw/nodm/). |
| 20:46.18 | mnd | how do I remove the stretch display manager while still being able to use startx |
| 20:46.24 | greycat | (That factoid is out of date now.) |
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| 20:46.41 | mnd | @greycat so it doesnt work on stretch? |
| 20:46.52 | greycat | Sure, it'll work. |
| 20:46.58 | mnd | but? |
| 20:47.01 | greycat | Removing the display manager is a great way to make it stop running. |
| 20:47.27 | mnd | there's no but? |
| 20:47.36 | greycat | But it skips over all the systemd stuff. |
| 20:48.21 | jelly | judd: whatprovides x-display-manager --release stretch |
| 20:48.23 | greycat | systemd being developed by Red Hat people, it brings back the notion of run levels (just calls them "targets" instead), and there's a whole shitload of complex ways to specify an alternative "target" from the grub layer, etc. |
| 20:48.28 | judd | Package x-display-manager in stretch/amd64 is provided by: gdm3, lightdm, lxdm, nodm, sddm, slim, wdm, xdm. |
| 20:48.39 | userro | jelly, do you know how to see the list of all available architectures? |
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| 20:52.09 | mnd | it says lightlocker and task-xfce-desktop will be removed are you guys sure I can still use startx to get a gui running after this? xD @jelly @greycat |
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| 20:52.36 | jelly | userro: no, but there's probably a list somewhere on debian's web site |
| 20:52.40 | greycat | If all else fails you can always reinstall lightlocker. The task-* is just a metapackage, not anything important. |
| 20:52.57 | jelly | userro: they vary between releases/branches |
| 20:53.04 | jhutchins_wk | systemd uses target files to set what used to be runlevels. multi-user.target will start everything but the GUI. Set that as your default. |
| 20:53.21 | jelly | mnd: if you like xfce, you probably don't want to do that I guess? |
| 20:53.28 | userro | jelly, yeah |
| 20:53.35 | mnd | :( |
| 20:53.49 | userro | I've found the list by Google search |
| 20:53.57 | jelly | mnd: just disable the service in some way, then |
| 20:54.00 | mnd | so startx will run the old X11 desktop? |
| 20:54.02 | greycat | jhutchins_wk: right, that is the part that's missing from the nodm factoid |
| 20:54.21 | jhutchins_wk | systemctl set-default multi-user.target |
| 20:54.34 | jhutchins_wk | systemctl set-default graphical.target to return to normal config. |
| 20:54.47 | jelly | how does one see the default |
| 20:55.14 | greycat | looks like get-default, from the man page |
| 20:55.26 | jelly | I managed to guess it. |
| 20:55.34 | jhutchins_wk | systemctl get-default |
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| 20:55.50 | jhutchins_wk | https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/7/html/System_Administrators_Guide/sect-Managing_Services_with_systemd-Targets.html |
| 20:55.53 | jelly | still peeved at the horribly verbose syntax |
| 20:56.01 | mnd | thanks jhutchins_wk |
| 20:56.26 | jelly | and inability to tab-complete systemctl |
| 20:56.36 | jelly | still uses "service" |
| 20:56.52 | greycat | dpkg, nodm =~ s/Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just/In systemd, "systemctl set-default multi-user.target", or/ |
| 20:56.52 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
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| 20:58.00 | jelly | !cookie jhutchins_wk and greycat |
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| 20:58.02 | dpkg | pulls out the cookie jar and finds ... |
| 21:00.03 | jpw | art by steevie wonder? |
| 21:00.22 | greycat | dpkg, nodm =~ s/xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim/gdm3 kdm lightdm lxdm nodm sddm slim wdm xdm/ |
| 21:00.22 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 21:00.34 | greycat | merger of jessie/stretch lists |
| 21:02.13 | jelly | if you're still running wheezy with a GUI, the terrorists have already won |
| 21:02.43 | jelly | wait, is there a "gdm" again? |
| 21:02.58 | greycat | maybe I screwed up |
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| 21:03.07 | jelly | ,v gdm |
| 21:03.08 | judd | No package named 'gdm' was found in amd64. |
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| 21:03.33 | cnnx | is there such a thing as debian 9 yet? |
| 21:03.39 | cnnx | even in beta |
| 21:03.49 | jpw | yes |
| 21:03.51 | cnnx | ok |
| 21:03.52 | jelly | oh, you didn't screw up, I'm reading the s/// wrong |
| 21:03.52 | greycat | We call it "testing". |
| 21:03.57 | cnnx | cool |
| 21:03.57 | greycat | !nodm |
| 21:03.57 | dpkg | In systemd, "systemctl set-default multi-user.target", or remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove gdm3 kdm lightdm lxdm nodm sddm slim wdm xdm". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (http://www.enricozini.org/sw/nodm/). |
| 21:04.42 | cnnx | i have a more general question, don't want to start any wars, but when people talk about stable production systems they often refer to RHEL/centos, no one really mentions debian and i find its a stable distro, why is that? |
| 21:04.56 | greycat | Red Hat has better marketing, probably. |
| 21:04.58 | jelly | cnnx: it's not really a beta or alpha, because the release process is... weird |
| 21:05.17 | jpw | cnnx: debian is an enterprise OS |
| 21:05.26 | cnnx | jpw: does it offer paid support? |
| 21:05.27 | jpw | stability is everything |
| 21:05.30 | bin_bash | greycat: also enterprise support for rhel |
| 21:05.38 | jelly | s/enterprise/universal/ :> |
| 21:05.46 | jpw | cnnx: no thats why people often omit it. |
| 21:05.51 | cnnx | ok |
| 21:05.59 | cnnx | and is it true the creator of it passed away ? |
| 21:06.03 | cnnx | like last year or something? |
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| 21:06.18 | jelly | eyes cnnx |
| 21:06.26 | greycat | One of the original developers. Far from the only one. |
| 21:06.30 | cnnx | oh ok |
| 21:06.38 | jpw | cnnx: debian is much more that a single person |
| 21:06.51 | jpw | and we value everybody. |
| 21:07.00 | cnnx | okay.. (you're talking to a guy who's wearing a debian hoodie sweater right now |
| 21:07.41 | jhutchins_wk | cnnx: Some companies/organizations feel like if they pay for something they're entitled do blame the company if something goes wrong. If something is free, they can't blame anyone. I've had pushback on using anything other than RH or SuSE because of that. |
| 21:07.45 | jpw | Are you refering to Ian Murdock, cos thats a bit crass. |
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| 21:08.09 | cnnx | yes him |
| 21:08.21 | jpw | yes he was the founder. |
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| 21:09.05 | cnnx | i just ordered myself a custom dedicated server right now thats being provisionned and i chose debian 8 on it |
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| 21:10.05 | jpw | boom, enjoy it |
| 21:10.13 | cnnx | as soon as they deliver it |
| 21:10.17 | jhutchins_wk | Gotta wonder what would happen to Ubuntu if they lost Mark Shuttleworth. |
| 21:10.21 | RoyK | http://paste.debian.net/919031/ <-- I have an 8GB Micro SD card and I want to put a small FAT partition on it and then a larger ext4 partition. Everything looks fine, but I can't mount it. Works with a 16GB card. Any idea where to look? dmesg contains "JBD2: no valid journal superblock found" and "EXT4-fs (sdj2): error loading journal" |
| 21:10.22 | cnnx | got it from an american hosting company |
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| 21:11.08 | jhutchins_wk | RoyK: How are you trying to mount it? |
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| 21:13.11 | RoyK | jhutchins_wk: doesn't really matter how - first "mount dev mountpoint" since everything usually works with autoprobe. Then mount -t ext4 dev mp, then perhaps fsck, which finds something strange, but still unmountable |
| 21:13.49 | jhutchins_wk | Please use the actual command, how are you specifying which partition to mount? |
| 21:14.04 | mnd | debian+apache+php+mysql+ssh = only 281 MB amazing! |
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| 21:14.39 | RoyK | jhutchins_wk: mount /dev/sdj2 sometwhere or mount -t ext4 /dev/sdj2 somewhere |
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| 21:14.55 | RoyK | jhutchins_wk: it works well with a 16GB card - I just don't see how |
| 21:14.58 | RoyK | s/how/why/ |
| 21:15.01 | RoyK | tries badblocks |
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| 21:15.42 | RoyK | only... it's two different 8GB cards showing the same issue |
| 21:15.45 | RoyK | which is rather strange |
| 21:15.50 | jhutchins_wk | RoyK: I've seen FAT12 systems look totally crazy in fdisk. |
| 21:16.10 | RoyK | jhutchins_wk: I created the partition table with linux' fdisk, as you can see |
| 21:16.11 | jhutchins_wk | RoyK: Like a whole bunch of partitions. I've also seen dead sticks look like that. |
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| 21:16.43 | jhutchins_wk | RoyK: I would try formatting it as a single partition and see if that works. |
| 21:17.06 | jhutchins_wk | you did mkfs, right? |
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| 21:17.38 | RoyK | jhutchins_wk: did you check the thing I pastebinned? |
| 21:17.55 | jhutchins_wk | RoyK: Nope. |
| 21:17.55 | RoyK | hm - doesn't work with sdj1 alone either |
| 21:18.00 | RoyK | jhutchins_wk: it's all there |
| 21:18.28 | RoyK | jhutchins_wk: all your questions answered - before you asked them :P |
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| 21:20.11 | jhutchins_wk | So the DOS partition works, it's the ext partition that's giving you grief. |
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| 21:20.24 | RoyK | yeah |
| 21:20.33 | RoyK | I can mkfs alright, but not mount it |
| 21:20.34 | jhutchins_wk | I dunno, re-run mkfs, maybe try ext3. |
| 21:20.56 | RoyK | jhutchins_wk: already tried |
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| 21:21.48 | borsin | RoyK: do you need the journal, try with different mount -o journal options? |
| 21:22.17 | jelly | RoyK: which debian release is this? Does your kernel support ext4? |
| 21:22.27 | jhutchins_wk | I'm thinking it's got something to do with the block emulation on the drive. |
| 21:22.40 | RoyK | something is rather strange here... http://paste.debian.net/919036/ |
| 21:23.10 | mnd | whats the best smtp server for sending and receiving? |
| 21:23.22 | jhutchins_wk | suspects someone let the smoke out. |
| 21:23.23 | RoyK | mnd: I use postfix - works well |
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| 21:23.29 | greycat | mnd: whichever one you know how to use best |
| 21:23.37 | RoyK | jhutchins_wk: on both cards? |
| 21:23.44 | mnd | thanks RoyK was looking into it too, never used any greycat |
| 21:24.03 | jelly | mnd: the best smtp server is one someone else maintains |
| 21:24.03 | RoyK | mnd: some prefer exim or even sendmail - it's up to you |
| 21:24.16 | jhutchins_wk | mnd: sendmail has the broadest capabilities - but more than half of them are undocumented. |
| 21:24.25 | jelly | I'd strongly advise against self-hosting mail services |
| 21:24.56 | RoyK | jelly: works well if you know what you're doing ;) |
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| 21:24.56 | mnd | @jelly why so |
| 21:24.56 | jelly | it's needless pain |
| 21:25.05 | RoyK | jelly: you'll need an mta every now and then, though |
| 21:25.09 | jhutchins_wk | So is dealing with commercial email services. |
| 21:25.19 | RoyK | jelly: rather nice to have something email you when the shit hits the fan |
| 21:25.22 | jelly | RoyK: I know, I'm sr. mail admin at an ISP |
| 21:25.35 | cnnx | anyone have any experience with a company called internetwholesale.net for dedicated servers? |
| 21:25.39 | jelly | it's not worth it unless you're being paid a LOT |
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| 21:25.49 | RoyK | well, you still need an mta to talk to mr jelly's mta ;) |
| 21:25.59 | jelly | RoyK: they said "and receiving" |
| 21:26.08 | jelly | that's self-hosted. |
| 21:26.29 | jelly | a null-mailer, that I can recommend. |
| 21:26.33 | jhutchins_wk | "Receiving" means dealing with spam. Sending means not getting flagged as spam. |
| 21:26.40 | RoyK | jelly: well, I do self-hosted and have done for a decade and a half - works for me (tm) |
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| 21:27.04 | cnnx | RoyK: self hosted at your home? |
| 21:27.05 | RoyK | likes to keep in sync with today's IT issues |
| 21:27.14 | jhutchins_wk | mnd: A lot of people use fetchmail to receive, but then there's the question of sending. |
| 21:27.15 | RoyK | cnnx: at a server I manage |
| 21:27.18 | jelly | it works for me as well, but I wouldn't recommend it to someone asking which MTA software to even pick |
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| 21:27.25 | cnnx | RoyK: in a DC? unmanaged you mean? |
| 21:28.43 | mnd | @jelly im running a non-profit education website doubt anyone will actually send us mail but if we get haxxed there will be no actual damage |
| 21:28.48 | mnd | or were you reffering to someting else? |
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| 21:29.31 | jelly | mnd: it's half a dozen separate services to get things running neatly, and a few months-years of expertise |
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| 21:30.08 | mnd | @jelly won't postfix & roundcube work fine for the start? :D |
| 21:30.16 | jelly | mnd: no |
| 21:30.28 | mnd | why not |
| 21:30.29 | jelly | roundcube requires an imap server. |
| 21:30.43 | jelly | postfix is a MTA and maybe MDA. |
| 21:30.44 | mnd | it says stmp or imap on their website |
| 21:30.46 | mnd | oh |
| 21:30.52 | jelly | mnd: no, smtp AND imap. |
| 21:31.18 | mnd | @jelly what do you recommend then? :s |
| 21:31.28 | mnd | besides |
| 21:31.32 | jelly | mnd: don't go there is what I recommend |
| 21:31.39 | mnd | yeah besides that :D |
| 21:31.57 | jelly | get fastmail, or google for domains, or something |
| 21:32.21 | jelly | at $3 per user fastmail will be cheaper than time wasted on mail :-) |
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| 21:33.09 | mnd | any books you recommend as a mail sysadmin if I choose wasting time though? :D |
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| 21:33.38 | mnd | I have a pretty powerful dedicated server and time |
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| 21:34.59 | jpw | i concur, email - don't bother |
| 21:35.20 | jpw | it's so hard to get right |
| 21:35.59 | jpw | and it costs effectively nothing to out source. |
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| 21:36.23 | bencc | ttf-adf-gillius is "a purified variation to Gill sans" https://packages.debian.org/sid/ttf-adf-gillius |
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| 21:36.34 | bencc | any reason why it doesn't define a font substitution? |
| 21:36.38 | jelly | mnd: you'd need a smtp server (eg. postfix), imap server (eg. dovecot-imapd), antispam (eg. amavisd-new), antivirus if your users do Windows (eg. clamav, with added sanesecurity), throttling measures (fail2ban), probably calendar and addressbook (caldav, carddav), some sort of user mgt if you don't have unix users already... |
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| 21:36.47 | mnd | thanks jelly <3 |
| 21:36.57 | jelly | don't thank me |
| 21:37.21 | heyodoggo | Hey all, what is avahi-daemon do and can I safely disable/uninstall it? From looking it up it just seems like it's there for autodiscovery of devices. |
| 21:37.36 | heyodoggo | Is this default on Debian, or did I install another package that started this. |
| 21:37.36 | jpw | if you have to host it yourself consider zimbra but beware - its disaster recovery blows |
| 21:37.40 | jelly | mnd: maybe look at workaround.org for an example setup |
| 21:38.19 | jelly | (their "ISPmail tutorials") |
| 21:38.21 | mnd | oh im not setting it up for multiple users, just for me @jelly postfix dovecot-imapd and roundcube will do the trick |
| 21:38.37 | mnd | but thanks again <3 |
| 21:39.18 | jelly | mnd: if it's for you, limit roundcube accessibility to your IP only (eg. leave it visible only via VPN) |
| 21:39.32 | jelly | it's a php app. Those get exploited quickly and often. |
| 21:39.50 | jelly | when exposed to public internet |
| 21:40.38 | jelly | heyodoggo: it's installed by default if you pick a desktop environment I think |
| 21:41.00 | jelly | it usually does not hurt anything |
| 21:42.18 | heyodoggo | jelly: thank you, I figured out I'd just disable it if it doesn't hurt to. |
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| 21:43.21 | jpw | wow i had no idea there were so many exploits for roundcube |
| 21:43.39 | jelly | again, it's a php app |
| 21:44.07 | jelly | one of the more decent ones possibly |
| 21:44.09 | jpw | eval() everything |
| 21:44.13 | jpw | strikes again |
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| 21:45.22 | jelly | they're past that but it's still a bad platform for safe programming, and there're no decent free generic rules for a web application firewall |
| 21:46.02 | FREENOODLES | eval() has no boundaries |
| 21:46.18 | greycat | Bad programmers have no boundaries. |
| 21:46.36 | greycat | You can write bad programs in any language. PHP just makes it easier than most. |
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| 21:47.00 | FREENOODLES | you mean like web foruns |
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| 21:47.30 | jpw | php nuke springs to mind |
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| 21:49.05 | FREENOODLES | jelly you just banned a hole house hold |
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| 21:50.11 | FREENOODLES | why dont people use cgi anymore? |
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| 21:50.35 | jpw | generally because it's more convenient not to |
| 21:51.06 | jpw | last job i used cgi's all over the place... and it sucked |
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| 21:51.21 | greycat | It's not a scalable design. |
| 21:51.41 | mandeep | when installing python3-flake8 via apt, the package doesnt show in usr/bin/. is this a bug? |
| 21:51.54 | FREENOODLES | i used a cgi web ircclient |
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| 21:52.17 | greycat | mandeep: you can use dpkg -L pkgname to see a list of files installed |
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| 21:53.32 | mandeep | greycat: the files show, but there should be an alias for the application |
| 21:53.55 | jpw | i think the main problem with CGI's is that they require very specific environments in order to run. debugging this can be a real pain in the derriere |
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| 21:56.15 | mnd | http://i.imgur.com/u9AkmFI.png wooo @jelly |
| 21:56.20 | mandeep | greycat: nvm i realized i needed to install another package. thanks for letting me know about -L though |
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| 21:56.58 | buggytom | /amsg i'm a holocaust survivor too. i get a fat pension with the rest of the tens of the millions of survivors. |
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| 22:04.01 | Etothetaui | hi |
| 22:04.11 | Etothetaui | does anyone know why sudo apt autoremove doesnt work |
| 22:04.28 | Etothetaui | I'm getting "Invalid operation autoremove" |
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| 22:04.54 | babilen | Etothetaui: You want apt-get for that |
| 22:05.13 | dax | the version of apt in stable doesn't do autoremove |
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| 22:05.18 | dax | so yeah, apt-get |
| 22:05.23 | Etothetaui | oh |
| 22:05.25 | Etothetaui | cool |
| 22:05.26 | Etothetaui | ok |
| 22:05.27 | greycat | stretch's apt has autoremove; jessie's doesn't |
| 22:05.32 | Etothetaui | gotcha |
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| 22:05.59 | Etothetaui | stretch is still in development right? |
| 22:06.10 | greycat | It's testing, currently frozen. |
| 22:06.15 | babilen | It is indeed (but will be released soon) |
| 22:06.21 | Etothetaui | If I'm still new at this would it be a bad idea to switch to that? |
| 22:06.26 | pansophical | babilen: how soon is soon |
| 22:06.28 | Etothetaui | should I wait till its released? |
| 22:06.59 | babilen | pansophical: We don't know, but I'd say 3-4 months are likely |
| 22:07.10 | babilen | Etothetaui: Wait with what? |
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| 22:07.38 | Etothetaui | like should I keep using jessie till stretch comes out |
| 22:07.41 | pansophical | babilen: is that a fixed time length after every freeze or dependent on the situation at hand? |
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| 22:08.02 | babilen | It always depends on the situation at hand. There are no fixed release dates. |
| 22:08.16 | greycat | !stretch pool 1 |
| 22:08.16 | dpkg | ! nauticalnexus=2017-04-19 cruncher=2017-04-12 cruncher=2017-02-18 bæbÄ«len=2017-05-06 TomTomTosch=2017-08-08 greycat=2017-08-15 jellÿ=2017-03-17 themÃll=2017-05-01 |
| 22:08.58 | babilen | Etothetaui: That really depends on your situation and your requirements. On a workstation, laptop or desktop I'd happily run stretch at the moment, but I see no harm in waiting for the actual release either. |
| 22:09.08 | Etothetaui | cools |
| 22:10.08 | pansophical | babilen: I actually did that, quite successfully until I came to a point where there were missing packages, hehe |
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| 22:11.31 | sim590 | I have high CPU usage with pulseaudio (20-30%) continuously. |
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| 22:11.41 | psychoticwarrior | nice |
| 22:11.58 | sim590 | version 10.0-1 |
| 22:12.32 | sim590 | Anyone else? I'm looking at the bugs, but nobody reported that. I have seen this a couple of times yet and no bug reports still. |
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| 22:12.55 | psychoticwarrior | im running pulseaudio 10.0 |
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| 22:13.57 | sim590 | if I kill pulseaudio, it starts back and it's using 8% CPU as normal. |
| 22:14.03 | sim590 | It has been doing that from time to time. |
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| 22:17.24 | tomg2 | pulseaudio is appallingly buggy, try ALSA |
| 22:17.40 | tomg2 | or just about anything else ;) it's the only thing I have to offer |
| 22:18.05 | jpw | ,v pulseaudio |
| 22:18.06 | judd | Package: pulseaudio on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.0-6.1; wheezy-backports: 4.0-6~bpo7+1; jessie: 5.0-13; jessie-backports: 7.1-2~bpo8+1; sid: 10.0-1; stretch: 10.0-1 |
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| 22:20.46 | jpw | would you consider 8% normal? |
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| 22:24.22 | sim590 | jpw: I think it is normal than 20-30%. |
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| 22:24.28 | sim590 | more* |
| 22:25.50 | psychoticwarrior | does anybody like junkie sluts |
| 22:26.03 | sim590 | If I stop my music, then it goes down to 6, so.. I guess it's reasonable. |
| 22:26.10 | psychoticwarrior | yup |
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| 22:27.33 | tomg2 | sim590: it's not reasonable, I'm afraid |
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| 22:27.45 | tomg2 | playing zero music should result in 0 cpu usage |
| 22:28.16 | tomg2 | you can try remedying pulseaudio somehow, or just don't use it. it's not good for much actually |
| 22:28.30 | psychoticwarrior | get a sub and speakers |
| 22:28.35 | psychoticwarrior | that should be good |
| 22:28.37 | tomg2 | a sound server or daemon isn't necessary anyway |
| 22:30.37 | sim590 | tomg2: it's good if you like to share your audio between multiple latpop you use with synergy setup so that you can take advantage of all laptops in a sain manner. |
| 22:31.22 | sim590 | I'm not sayin I'm doing that right now, therefore it cannot explain the CPU usage in any way. |
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| 22:32.46 | psychoticwarrior | don't really need synergy |
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| 22:35.16 | teraflops | im idling at 0/1% CPU and I'm using pulseaudio... |
| 22:35.25 | teraflops | and mpd |
| 22:36.37 | sim590 | psychoticwarrior: I don,t like moving my hands. That's why I use synergy, awesomeWM, vim, qutebrowser, etc. |
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| 22:38.12 | psychoticwarrior | nice |
| 22:38.21 | sim590 | wow. https://i.imgur.com/wQbxzyA.jpg. pulseaudio is not very nice! |
| 22:38.27 | sim590 | it's nice value is -11!!! |
| 22:38.31 | sim590 | Is it considered okay? |
| 22:39.10 | psychoticwarrior | pulseaudio is alright |
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| 22:40.49 | tomg2 | sim590: I can only recommend looking for some other software that lets you share audio between laptops |
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| 22:41.39 | tomg2 | i wonder how a user-owned process gets a nice of -11 without suid anyway. please don't say consolekit/policykit/dbus/systemd |
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| 22:44.39 | sim590 | I do use systemd. |
| 22:45.11 | sim590 | http://paste.debian.net/919041/ |
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| 22:45.14 | psychoticwarrior | what is the purpose of udev seems like it creates a bug and hangs there |
| 22:45.17 | psychoticwarrior | so idisabled it |
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| 22:45.30 | psychoticwarrior | i disabled it |
| 22:45.42 | phogg | psychoticwarrior: as long as you don't add or remove devices you can get away with that... probably |
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| 22:45.52 | psychoticwarrior | ok cool |
| 22:45.52 | phogg | some things won't work |
| 22:46.00 | psychoticwarrior | cause i disabled it and my system works fine |
| 22:46.15 | phogg | psychoticwarrior: udev should not be causing any problems, so if you have some you should address the root cause |
| 22:46.23 | psychoticwarrior | ok |
| 22:46.30 | psychoticwarrior | it just says there is a start job created |
| 22:46.40 | psychoticwarrior | just hangs there for hours but i fixed it |
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| 22:47.16 | thoreau | Hello. |
| 22:47.28 | psychoticwarrior | that was the worst thing ive encountered running kali |
| 22:47.37 | thoreau | I'm getting trown out of my user session. |
| 22:47.41 | phogg | psychoticwarrior: this isn't a channel for kali support |
| 22:47.51 | thoreau | The screen goes dark, and I'm at the login screen. |
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| 22:48.11 | psychoticwarrior | whats the kali linux channel |
| 22:48.43 | phogg | psychoticwarrior: no idea, ask google or try #kali (just guessing) |
| 22:48.49 | thoreau | I reported this problem here before. I was then recommended that I switch from my current x11 session to a Wayland session. |
| 22:49.16 | phogg | thoreau: I don't know why that would help. |
| 22:50.01 | dax | #kali-linux |
| 22:50.03 | thoreau | Me neighter, but it seemed to work, at least for the kind of work that I was doing, it didn't crash anymore. |
| 22:50.51 | thoreau | But Wayland doesn't recognize my Wacom tablet, so in order to do some graphic designy work, I reverted to x11 |
| 22:51.27 | thoreau | Another solution that was suggested is to unistall the intel xorg driver in order to enable modesetting. |
| 22:51.56 | thoreau | I did it, and it didn't affect my performance in the least, but the problem persisted. |
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| 22:53.02 | tomg2 | throws up his hands |
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| 23:17.25 | pflanze | Hello. How can I "dpkg-reconfigure debconf" to non-interactive settings without running this command interactively? :) |
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| 23:23.16 | stew | pflanze: try echo 'debconf debconf/frontend select Noninteractive' | debconf-set-selections |
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| 23:30.05 | thoreau | Hello. I'm getting thrown out of my user session. When I'm in the middle of using a GUI application, every now and then, the screen goes dark and I'm at the login screen. |
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| 23:52.11 | MadHezz | thoreau inactivity? |
| 23:52.30 | thoreau | XD |
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| 23:52.51 | thoreau | Nope, while i'm in the middle of using said application. |
| 23:53.01 | thoreau | The user session is terminated. |
| 23:53.19 | MadHezz | Oh ok |
| 23:53.29 | thoreau | I'm back at the login screen and when I get back all programs were closed. |
| 23:53.46 | thoreau | Back at the session, that is. |
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