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| 00:59.09 | umbSublime | what is the application ? |
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| 01:02.16 | thoreau | Any application really, I have many opened. |
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| 01:02.31 | thoreau | One time was trying to input an address in firefox. |
| 01:02.47 | thoreau | Other was deleting a file in nautilus. |
| 01:03.21 | thoreau | I think once I was editing a file in Krita. |
| 01:03.39 | thoreau | I might have Krita open when I was peforming said tasks. |
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| 01:04.25 | umbSublime | that you take a look at Xorg logs ? |
| 01:04.56 | thoreau | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/7f0912ea/ |
| 01:05.11 | thoreau | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/6efb5361/ |
| 01:05.35 | thoreau | Xorg.0.log and Xorg.0.log.old, respectively. |
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| 01:06.39 | umbSublime | L477-530 there is stacktrace, not sure if it concords with timestamps of when the issue occurs |
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| 01:07.35 | umbSublime | something about the laptop touchpad |
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| 01:08.27 | thoreau | Yeah... I forgot the time it happened, precisely. Maybe just before 20. |
| 01:08.30 | thoreau | But |
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| 01:08.56 | umbSublime | timestamp in the log is not actual time, rather a count of seconds since X started |
| 01:09.28 | umbSublime | maybe check the logs again right after this happens |
| 01:09.38 | thoreau | I'm going about my things, the next ime it crashes I'll be ready. XD |
| 01:09.39 | umbSublime | also how often does this happen ? |
| 01:10.12 | thoreau | It happened twice today, so, somewhere between 3 to 4 hurs interval. |
| 01:10.17 | thoreau | hours* |
| 01:10.45 | umbSublime | hmm, yah I'd try to parse some log files right after it happens, it will help you troubleshoot for sure |
| 01:11.08 | thoreau | Which logs should I watch out for? |
| 01:11.29 | thoreau | These from Xorg, journalctl... |
| 01:12.12 | ryouma | i installed libreoffice, but the menu fonts are so small that they are impossible for me to read. i cannot get closer to the screen. what can i do to make sure applications don't do this? |
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| 01:12.33 | ryouma | i already have dpi set to 240, which is just right for most things |
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| 01:45.37 | mandeep | so this is the bug im having with flake8: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=748838 |
| 01:45.38 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/748838 in python3-flake8 (closed): «python3-flake8: Missing "flake8-3" binary»; severity: normal; opened: 2014-05-21; last modified: 2016-04-12. |
| 01:45.57 | mandeep | what's the proper etiquette to continue an archived bug? |
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| 01:48.10 | somiaj | mandeep: do you have any new information about it? |
| 01:48.31 | umbSublime | mandeep, how about the work-around proposed: python3 -m flake8 <your script> |
| 01:48.55 | mandeep | umbSublime: that workaround works, but not inside a text editor |
| 01:49.04 | mandeep | somiaj: yes the head is not /usr/bin/python3 |
| 01:49.15 | somiaj | mandeep: what version of debian are you running? |
| 01:49.21 | mandeep | jessie mate |
| 01:49.38 | umbSublime | also did you install the package python3-flake8 or python-flake8 ? |
| 01:49.42 | mandeep | umbSublime: both |
| 01:50.06 | themill | mandeep: which release of debian is this for? |
| 01:50.08 | somiaj | ,v python3-flake8 |
| 01:50.09 | judd | Package: python3-flake8 on amd64 -- jessie: 2.2.2-1; jessie-backports: 3.0.4+dfsg1-4~bpo8+1; sid: 3.2.1-1; stretch: 3.2.1-1 |
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| 01:50.29 | mandeep | somiaj: 2.2.2-1 is what im using |
| 01:50.31 | somiaj | mandeep: that bug may not have been fixed in jessie, maybe the version in jessie backports unless you want to just do a workaround. |
| 01:50.42 | mandeep | hmm let me try backports |
| 01:51.52 | umbSublime | it looks like the package python3-flake8 does not contain anything in /usr/bin (apt-file search python3-flake8) |
| 01:52.00 | mandeep | umbSublime: right |
| 01:52.11 | themill | the module package should not |
| 01:52.19 | themill | ,depends flake8 --release jessie-backports |
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| 01:52.21 | judd | Package flake8 in jessie-backports/amd64 -- depends: python3-flake8 (= 3.0.4+dfsg1-4~bpo8+1), python3-pkg-resources, python3, python3:any (>= 3.4~). |
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| 01:53.35 | umbSublime | what about installing it with "pip3 --user install flake8" and then just make sure you have /home/<user>/.local/bin/ in your PATH |
| 01:53.43 | themill | no, don't do that |
| 01:53.50 | mandeep | umbSublime: that's an option, but not preferred |
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| 01:54.26 | mandeep | so the backports version of flake8 doesnt contain a /usr/bin install |
| 01:54.31 | themill | yes it does |
| 01:54.39 | mandeep | not what im seeing |
| 01:54.47 | umbSublime | or maybe you can configure the flake8 path used in your text editor and point it to the python3 module |
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| 01:55.19 | themill | dpkg-deb -c flake8_3.0.4+dfsg1-4~bpo8+1_all.deb | grep bin â ./usr/bin/flake8 |
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| 01:56.49 | mandeep | themill: http://paste.debian.net/919065/ |
| 01:57.12 | themill | mandeep: python-flake8 â python3-flake8 â flake8 |
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| 01:59.08 | mandeep | hmm |
| 01:59.38 | umbSublime | mandeep, you want flake8 for python3 right ? then check python3-flake8 |
| 01:59.44 | themill | no. |
| 01:59.47 | themill | ffs |
| 01:59.54 | themill | python-foo packages should be Python 2 modules; python3-foo should be Python 3 modules. Modules are not in /usr/bin. There should normally be a foo package for any binary. |
| 01:59.56 | mandeep | umbSublime: no that's not it |
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| 02:00.52 | umbSublime | geeezzzzz themill loosing patience ? |
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| 02:01.22 | themill | the non-help is pushing the correct answer further and further into the distance |
| 02:02.04 | umbSublime | and btw python-flake8 has /usr/bin/flake8 (jessie) |
| 02:02.17 | themill | yes, and that was a bug that was fixed |
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| 02:02.25 | mandeep | umbSublime: yeah that is the problem that i had |
| 02:02.33 | mandeep | themill: thanks got it working now |
| 02:02.42 | themill | good to hear |
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| 02:22.39 | un214 | is there a way to tell apt-get that certain packages must come from certain sources? |
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| 02:24.08 | themill | !pinning |
| 02:24.08 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at https://web.archive.org/web/20121017070250/http://carlo17.home.xs4all.nl/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. https://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
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| 02:33.03 | un214 | ok next question; how do I re-base a src dpkg from a newer level upstream source |
| 02:33.18 | un214 | (in this case I *am* the newer upstream source) |
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| 02:33.56 | themill | Depends on how much the package has changed |
| 02:33.58 | themill | !uupdate |
| 02:33.58 | dpkg | uupdate (in the <devscripts> package) upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision, or e.g. if the newest foo in debian is 1.2, and upstream is at 1.4: apt-get source foo; wget -nd http://foo.org/foo-1.4.tar.gz; cd foo-1.2; uupdate ../foo-1.4.tar.gz Ask me about <package recompile>. |
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| 02:34.24 | themill | (or gbp import-orig if the package is built using that git workflow) |
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| 02:42.00 | un214 | @themill: I give up I can't find gbp |
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| 02:53.01 | themill | un214: git-buildpackage |
| 02:53.06 | un214 | ah |
| 02:53.11 | un214 | apt-get install knows about that |
| 02:53.57 | daniel331 | hi all. i had to mount some parts of /etc as read-only to pre-install and then protect critical config files before the utilities which use them are installed. now I have apt-get complaining it can't write its default files into the directories i have protected. how can I get it to ignore that problem and continue anyway? |
| 02:54.05 | daniel331 | (this is an automated build process issue, natch) |
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| 02:56.54 | un214 | would you like a dumb solution? |
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| 02:57.45 | daniel331 | un214: very much :-) |
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| 02:58.17 | un214 | I debootstrapped a minimal environment, edited the config files, and shoved it on the iso image used to boot from |
| 02:58.35 | un214 | editing /init will make the autoinstall complete |
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| 03:00.59 | daniel331 | un214: im not sure I understand.. |
| 03:01.29 | un214 | I unpack the system from a local source and upgrade it |
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| 03:01.53 | un214 | the critical config files are already set correctly and dist-upgrade won't overwrite them |
| 03:03.10 | daniel331 | I see |
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| 03:07.41 | daniel331 | thanks :-) |
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| 03:34.03 | trumpy_ | sup all |
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| 03:35.42 | dvs | zzzzzz |
| 03:36.08 | trumpy_ | sleep sounds awesome |
| 03:36.54 | abff | watching tv and trying to fix a possible non-issue with my touchpad |
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| 03:42.59 | trumpy_ | a possible issue with touchpad? |
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| 03:44.44 | abff | Indeed, I have two finger scrolling enabled for vertical and horizontal movements, however they do not work independently. If I begin a scroll using two fingers, for example in a small window web browser, it will allow me to scroll in both directions simultaneously. |
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| 03:45.28 | abff | As cool as that is, it's not very convenient. I want it to restrict scrolling movement to one axis once the scroll has been detected |
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| 03:49.34 | abff | I don't know if it's something to do with the driver or perhaps theres an option or module of my desktop environment I have yet to see/find |
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| 04:07.45 | trumpy_ | yeah that sounds annoying. sorry though im don't have a clue about that though |
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| 04:57.52 | Etothetaui | I dont understand, I was able to connect to wifi with wpa_supplicant and then I installed network-manager-gnome so I would have a gui way to do it |
| 04:58.03 | Etothetaui | and it disconnected from the wifi and wouldnt work again |
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| 04:58.20 | Etothetaui | so I purged network-manager-gnome cause I thought maybe that was the problem |
| 04:58.28 | Etothetaui | but now I cant connect to wifi at all |
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| 05:12.13 | wonton | Putting systemd in 'free' linux is sort of comparable to the USA bombing a country and installing a banana republic in the name of 'freedom' |
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| 05:18.31 | abff | wonton: please, continue and elaborate |
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| 05:19.53 | themill | no, please don't |
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| 05:49.41 | solrize | hi, i stopped an installation halfway through earlier because the box was overloaded |
| 05:49.50 | solrize | when i try again now (with ansible), apt-get just hangs |
| 05:50.04 | solrize | "apt-get changelog" says E: Handler silently failed |
| 05:50.19 | solrize | message shows up in many web searches but no useful advice |
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| 05:51.44 | nvrreddy_ | A dependency job for packetfence-config.service failed. See 'journalctl -xn' for details. dpkg: error processing package packetfence (--configure): subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 Processing triggers for libc-bin (2.19-18+deb8u7) ... Errors were encountered while processing: packetfence |
| 05:51.52 | solrize | apt-get clean and starting over didn't help |
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| 05:52.39 | solrize | oh nm |
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| 05:53.05 | solrize | Media change: please insert the disc labeled |
| 05:53.05 | solrize | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:53.06 | solrize | wtf |
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| 05:53.12 | solrize | gotta update source.list i guess |
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| 05:53.42 | nvrreddy_ | #debian |
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| 05:54.06 | nvrreddy_ | A dependency job for packetfence-config.service failed. See 'journalctl -xn' for details. dpkg: error processing package packetfence (--configure): subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 Processing triggers for libc-bin (2.19-18+deb8u7) ... E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 05:54.21 | nvrreddy_ | how to solve this error in debian |
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| 06:02.39 | themill | nvrreddy_: the starting point would be to look at the logs. Asking whoever you got the software from mightn't be a bad idea |
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| 06:06.28 | abff | nvrreddy_: what were you running when you got the error? |
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| 06:07.17 | jgrilsi | John, Anybody who believes in the holocaust in the year 2017 is mentally retarded or completely mentally enslaved. |
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| 06:07.34 | jgrilsi | Let me get you a preliminary link. |
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| 06:12.00 | ParisVan | I don't see how anyone with an open mind, who actually seeks out the truth, can still believe in the holocaust. |
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| 06:14.02 | abff | I don't see how anyone with an open mind can waste their time getting banned on public IRC channels with a single line. If you're going to get kicked for kicking sake at least play the long game and ruin someone's world view with a Ceafening logical wall |
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| 06:35.01 | dmi3on | I need halp, to setup ssh access to linux box, with only access to start and stop python app. any suggestion how to do it ? |
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| 06:39.23 | jelly | dmi3on: create a tool that only does those two things. Create a user with execute permissions for said tool. Set user's login shell directly to that tool. Add its path to /etc/shells. Done |
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| 06:41.11 | dmi3on | @jelly, thats sounds awesome, just to be clear this way use will be able to send commands to python app, see app output and start/stop app |
| 06:41.19 | dmi3on | so I need to use restricted bash ? |
| 06:41.23 | dmi3on | do* |
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| 06:43.32 | jelly | implementing the tool that does "start/stop app" and any other things you need is on you |
| 06:44.10 | jelly | it doesn't have to be a bash script, and you don't need to give user access to restricted bash or anything else but that one tool. |
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| 06:44.44 | dmi3on | wow, mind blown |
| 06:45.05 | jelly | they don't need a shell of any sort if they login directly into your tool's little menu |
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| 06:45.14 | dmi3on | sweet ! |
| 06:45.15 | jpw | i think the setting is something like ssh-command |
| 06:45.39 | dmi3on | @jelly, this is even better then I expected |
| 06:46.16 | jpw | see ForceCommand in sshd_config |
| 06:46.38 | dmi3on | as I understand is user escapes app, he will no be able to do much since there is not even bash |
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| 06:46.57 | jpw | or command= in authorized_keys |
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| 06:47.16 | jelly | depends how "escape" method and how safely your tool is written |
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| 06:47.30 | jelly | oops, broken English |
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| 06:49.00 | dmi3on | this is so cool, why I did not think about this my self :) |
| 06:49.22 | dmi3on | well I can see use can escape somehow and become another user or something like that |
| 06:49.48 | dmi3on | that's fine, I should be able to catch that with some scripting |
| 06:50.59 | dmi3on | user*, my aplogies for broken english too :) |
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| 06:53.02 | dmi3on | jpw, and in case program crashes user will need to reconnect to ssh then |
| 06:54.14 | dmi3on | @jelly, by tool you mean something like C redline that reads user input and starts/restart application ? |
| 06:54.56 | dmi3on | readline* |
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| 06:55.37 | jelly | dmi3on: sure, that's an option |
| 06:56.16 | jelly | for someone who can write safe C apps that accept user input :-) |
| 06:56.51 | TimurTheLame | Why not rust? |
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| 06:57.40 | dmi3on | @jelly, well not sure my about safe apps skills, but I like from time to time writing C apps :) |
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| 06:59.05 | dmi3on | TimurTheLame, never coded in rust, I am primitive C/C++/python and some java/C# for frontends |
| 06:59.37 | jelly | ,v rustc |
| 06:59.38 | judd | Package: rustc on amd64 -- sid: 1.14.0+dfsg1-3; stretch: 1.14.0+dfsg1-3; experimental: 1.15.1+dfsg1-1~exp2 |
| 07:00.01 | TimurTheLame | dmi3on, neither have I; I was trying to start a rust vs C flame war :D |
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| 07:01.40 | dmi3on | I see, will I think about it good small project for trying something new :) |
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| 07:04.03 | trumpy_ | i think ruby hates me, always messes up when installing crap |
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| 07:07.04 | dmi3on | trumpy_, may be it is not ruby that hates you, but crap ? |
| 07:07.38 | trumpy_ | lol |
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| 07:08.06 | dmi3on | thanks, @jelly, jpw for halping out my life is much more enjoyble now :) |
| 07:09.04 | TimurTheLame | Jesus Christ, I don't understand why virtualbox-dkms won't install on my custom kernel after an upgrade. Manually building it with dkms results in an error. If I rebuild my kernel and install linux-headers-custom headers, it builds the problem is solved. |
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| 07:10.50 | TimurTheLame | I have the linux-headers-custom package installed |
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| 07:20.07 | TimurTheLame | http://dpaste.com//140Q9A2 |
| 07:20.28 | TimurTheLame | I even specify --kernelsourcedir correctly, but it still fails |
| 07:22.20 | TimurTheLame | This is the build error message http://dpaste.com//1AT4J98 |
| 07:22.32 | jpw | Its very likely that the headers are wrong then. |
| 07:23.00 | themill | Is that version of virtualbox compatible with that kernel? |
| 07:23.12 | TimurTheLame | themill, before the update, it worked fine |
| 07:23.37 | themill | "the update" |
| 07:23.53 | TimurTheLame | themill, virtualbox-dkms upgrade |
| 07:24.01 | themill | from ___ to ___? |
| 07:24.19 | TimurTheLame | themill, have no idea :D |
| 07:25.03 | TimurTheLame | themill, currently have virtualbox-dkms 5.1.16-dfsg-1 |
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| 07:25.33 | jelly | ,v virtualbox-dkms |
| 07:25.34 | judd | Package: virtualbox-dkms on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports/contrib: 5.1.8-dfsg-6~bpo8+2; sid/contrib: 5.1.16-dfsg-1 |
| 07:26.03 | TimurTheLame | You got me; I'm running sid |
| 07:26.23 | TimurTheLame | Whatever, I'll solve this on my own |
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| 07:26.48 | jelly | or at least ask in the right place |
| 07:26.54 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 07:26.54 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 07:26.56 | themill | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:27.09 | TimurTheLame | I'm pretty sure rebuilding the kernel and reinstalling the kernel-headers package will fix it |
| 07:27.10 | jelly | changelog reading is HARD |
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| 07:27.45 | TimurTheLame | jelly, I have changelog dyslexia. Don't make fun of me! |
| 07:27.54 | jelly | !pal TimurTheLame |
| 07:27.54 | dpkg | points at TimurTheLame and laughs |
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| 07:49.17 | TimurTheLame | Default kernel settings are filled with so much useless crap. "Industrial IO support" X_X |
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| 07:50.57 | TimurTheLame | That would come in handy if my cheap-ass laptop with an ATOM processor will need be needed in a CERN project |
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| 08:00.55 | hid3 | Hello everyone. mysqld process has been using 100% of my CPU power for past two months... I have tried stopping it, starting it, but as soon as it starts, the usage is 100% again. Any clues what might be wrong and where to look for possible cause? |
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| 08:01.37 | hid3 | It seem have started at new year's eve |
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| 08:03.22 | dmi3on | hid3, fitst would looks at threads/process that utilize it |
| 08:03.28 | dmi3on | first* |
| 08:04.01 | dmi3on | then would luch second mysqld with simplified config and --debug |
| 08:04.18 | hid3 | Nothing is using it, that's the matter. The usage is for no reason |
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| 08:04.58 | dmi3on | there is reason somewhere is infinte loop :) |
| 08:05.18 | hid3 | I guess it is due to the leap second, once again |
| 08:05.31 | hid3 | how do I solve it without rebooting the machine? |
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| 08:05.55 | TimurTheLame | hid3, barely know about mysql stuff, but you could look at the mytop application |
| 08:05.56 | dmi3on | start with debug see info there, check which thread is utilizing read about thread |
| 08:06.05 | TimurTheLame | hid3, sudo mytop --prompt |
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| 08:09.18 | hid3 | `date -s now` fixed the problem. Wonder how long is it till they fix the widely known bugs in their crappy software... |
| 08:09.44 | bezaban | hid3: do you have a link to that bug? |
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| 08:11.07 | TimurTheLame | hid3, sudo mytop -u dbuser -d dbname --prompt |
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| 08:12.19 | bezaban | because displaying the time to fix a problem with a service sounds like a very obscure one. |
| 08:12.32 | hid3 | just closed the browsers... But a quick google on "mysql leap second cpu usage" will get you on |
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| 08:14.03 | dmi3on | mysql bug does not compute for me |
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| 08:15.34 | bezaban | ah. leap second, those are tricky. |
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| 08:16.40 | hid3 | anyway, added that to my notes, as I recall dealing with this already in the past too |
| 08:17.42 | TimurTheLame | hid3, tried mytop? |
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| 08:18.32 | bezaban | yeah, there was a leap second added in the summer a few years ago that wreaked some havoc |
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| 08:19.03 | rocknrolla | im trying to set a static ip on my notebook with debian jessie |
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| 08:20.18 | rocknrolla | I changed this is my interfaces in /etc/network |
| 08:20.19 | rocknrolla | http://pastebin.com/usrqKEeC |
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| 08:20.52 | rocknrolla | problem is connection network cant find any wireless network |
| 08:20.54 | Markow | Hi all |
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| 08:23.47 | rocknrolla | I tried rebooting /etc/init.d/networking and network manager but nothing |
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| 08:26.36 | bezaban | rocknrolla: it is probably easier to manage wireless with network manager. Also broadcast is 192.168.0.255 |
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| 08:56.11 | Pepe | Hello guys. I tried yesterday and even now install Debian with UEFI on processor J1900. First I tried amd64 and then multi-arch. (64bit or 32 bit install) after it said: Installation is complete. I cant boot it. It says: "Reboot and select proper boot media" seriously? When I put there Windows 10 it was working. |
| 08:56.21 | Pepe | I also tried netist btw. I reinstalled it 10 times and maybe more. |
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| 08:58.49 | Pepe | and when sometimes I tried to boot from SSD where I'm installing it but it says "GRUB installer" |
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| 08:59.39 | Tachyon_ | apt doesn't work |
| 08:59.39 | apt | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 08:59.46 | Tachyon_ | hehe |
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| 09:00.53 | Tachyon_ | sorry, just came here to see what happens when I say "apt doesn't work". no problem |
| 09:00.58 | userro | Hello, here < https://wiki.debian.org/QemuUserEmulation > it says to use dpkg-cross but it is depreciated. What should I do? |
| 09:01.58 | userro | Setting up qemu is no easy task |
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| 09:02.32 | userro | it is very confusing especially because I can't find good guides |
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| 09:03.23 | userro | easy to understand guides |
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| 09:04.28 | bazhang | #qemu <--- userro |
| 09:05.07 | Pepe | Someone who can help me? |
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| 09:05.56 | bezaban | Pepe: just ask your question and we will see :) |
| 09:06.07 | Pepe | I asked ;-) |
| 09:06.21 | Pepe | see my message from 09:56 and also 09:58 |
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| 09:07.33 | bezaban | pepe: ah right :) might be secure boot related, but not my fortè |
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| 09:07.41 | Pepe | I have secure boot disabled |
| 09:07.46 | Pepe | That's what I checked first |
| 09:07.51 | userro | bazhang, I tried but that channel is dead. I joined their official channel in other irc network but iirc it is dead there too |
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| 09:08.14 | Pepe | IRC isn't dead, userro. I'm also on other channels and members are they active. |
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| 09:09.00 | bazhang | userro, irc is Not mcdonald's drive thru |
| 09:09.06 | Pepe | :D |
| 09:09.09 | bazhang | some waiting happens |
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| 09:09.33 | bazhang | five seconds...chan dead! |
| 09:09.37 | userro | Ikr |
| 09:09.43 | userro | I waited for hours |
| 09:09.50 | bazhang | so what |
| 09:10.00 | bazhang | I waited three weeks once |
| 09:10.08 | userro | lol |
| 09:10.45 | Pepe | three weeks? You're kidding:-) |
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| 09:32.56 | lakada | hello all |
| 09:35.48 | lakada | i have a Problem i cant run blender on my root Server "Debian" i get this error >> "unable to open / load Display" |
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| 09:37.57 | userro | should I just manually install dpkg-cross even though it is depreciated? |
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| 09:38.09 | userro | is it safe? |
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| 09:38.55 | userro | will it cause any dependency issues? |
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| 09:43.58 | vlt | lakada: I don't know blender very well but does it need an X server to run on? |
| 09:46.22 | lakada | i don't know Linux much^^ |
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| 09:53.31 | vlt | lakada: How are you connected to the server and hgow did you try to run blender? |
| 09:54.28 | lakada | first i tryed putty with X11forwarding not working |
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| 09:54.58 | lakada | then i uses tightvnc with kdm and kde not working Window not open and crashed whitout error |
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| 09:56.05 | bezaban | blender remotely sounds like a nightmare |
| 09:56.21 | lakada | but it was working on my last root server^^ |
| 09:56.30 | lakada | with putty^^ |
| 09:56.31 | bezaban | what is a root server? :) |
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| 09:57.28 | bezaban | it sounds like it might not be able to access the local X server? for troubleshooting try 'xhost +' then see if it works. |
| 09:57.55 | lakada | -bash: xhost: command not found |
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| 09:58.13 | bezaban | if that works you NEED to find out how to add exceptions for the hosts you want to connnect |
| 09:58.19 | bezaban | oh.. is this windows10 bash or the likes? |
| 09:58.30 | bezaban | then I am blank and you are probably in the wrong place :) |
| 09:58.54 | bezaban | 'putty' should have alerted me to that :P |
| 09:58.58 | lakada | linux Debian server |
| 09:59.34 | bezaban | doesn't sound like it's server side, it is not able to connect to the client |
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| 10:00.03 | bezaban | when I've used x forwarding between os previously I've used xming or similar, but it's been a while |
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| 10:06.39 | lakada | TightVNC KDE KDM blender not popup and close after loadng whats wrong? |
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| 10:13.43 | lakada | how i upgrade the graphic Driver |
| 10:14.04 | bazhang | which card |
| 10:14.30 | lakada | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v2/3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller (rev 09) |
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| 10:15.44 | bazhang | lakada, what driver is that using now |
| 10:17.03 | lakada | how i can check it |
| 10:17.47 | bazhang | lakada, so to date, nothing installed for that? |
| 10:17.58 | lakada | fresh root setup^^ |
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| 10:20.08 | bazhang | lakada, have you done 'apt-get update and apt-get upgrade ? |
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| 10:20.15 | lakada | yes |
| 10:20.29 | bazhang | lakada, thats up to date then |
| 10:21.02 | lakada | okay but why blender is not starting in tighvn kde kdm |
| 10:21.43 | bazhang | what does blender have to do with kde |
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| 10:22.11 | lakada | to get a Desktop you Need kde |
| 10:22.22 | lakada | to connect to Desktop i using tightvnc |
| 10:22.32 | bazhang | lakada, were you the one asking about downgrading mesa earlier |
| 10:22.58 | lakada | ohh mesa let me check that |
| 10:23.08 | bazhang | lakada, no dont do that |
| 10:23.14 | lakada | okay |
| 10:24.35 | bazhang | lakada, you want to remote desktop blender in high 3D or something |
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| 10:27.18 | lakada | basicly yes connecto VNC and run blender^^ |
| 10:27.43 | bazhang | does that intel onboard chip even allow for that |
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| 10:29.02 | lakada | to run blender? |
| 10:29.17 | lakada | i dont know how i can check it |
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| 10:29.31 | lakada | but i can connect to Desktop |
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| 10:32.20 | bazhang | is blender installed on the desktop you are remoting tino |
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| 10:32.46 | lakada | yes |
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| 10:33.09 | bazhang | so you want x11 over ssh |
| 10:33.25 | lakada | ssh no tighvnc |
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| 10:34.56 | bazhang | http://blender.stackexchange.com/questions/47386/how-to-run-blender-from-server lakada |
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| 10:41.49 | faraco | Hi guys, I'm a Ubuntu user for years already. I'm looking to try Debian and make it as my primary distribution to use for work, but I'm not sure what I will lose and gain by switching to Debian from Ubuntu. |
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| 10:42.31 | bazhang | faraco, whats the planned use case |
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| 10:43.36 | faraco | I'm gonna use it for my own personal software development environment. So, pre-packaged packages is my priority. |
| 10:44.03 | faraco | Can Debian run all of Ubuntu packages ? (except snappy of course) |
| 10:44.10 | bazhang | debian is a very good fit then |
| 10:44.30 | bazhang | ubuntu packages? no |
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| 10:50.37 | lakada | now blender say initial window could not find GLX extension |
| 10:50.52 | lakada | this mean OpenGL is not found ? how to install it |
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| 10:51.37 | bazhang | lakada, are you tryâing to do a render farm on the remote computer? |
| 10:52.20 | lakada | nope i try to just start blender |
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| 10:52.59 | Pepe | ok grub works, but uefi doesnt. really weird |
| 10:53.16 | bazhang | lakada, have you checked the blender quirements |
| 10:53.22 | bazhang | requirements |
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| 10:54.06 | faraco | hmm, no? Launchpad packages seems out of luck then. What actually differs Debian and Ubuntu then? |
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| 10:56.00 | moldy | faraco: that's hard to answer in one sentence |
| 10:56.37 | moldy | faraco: you may actually be able to use some ubuntu packages, but it's generally not supported |
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| 10:57.29 | faraco | hmm I see, thank you. |
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| 10:58.31 | moldy | faraco: it's probably best to just try debian for a week or two and see how you like it |
| 10:58.33 | bezaban | and not recommended as you may put your system in a borken state |
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| 10:59.51 | bezaban | ubuntu maintains their own kernel and adds a lot of stuff on top of debian, what you will or will not miss is hard to say, but most stuff I need at least is available either via regular repositories, backports or I can run them in a chroot from a different version (I usually run stable, but use some software from testing) |
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| 11:00.49 | bezaban | a few things I've had to install into /opt or /home from tarballs, |
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| 11:05.51 | saiju | Hi All, I am trying to start a service on my debian box , but its giving error (Lock file found, aborting execution) , How can i find the lock file. http://pastebin.com/qkzFjqXn |
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| 11:17.51 | faraco | bezaban: thank you. I forgot we have lxc, with both Debian and Ubuntu templates available. |
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| 11:18.23 | faraco | that surely, testing software will not be a much of a problem. |
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| 12:34.47 | dpkg | gusman: Ã possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-8.7.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 13:08.27 | zaq | Hi is it possible to acces old debian version repo like etch ? |
| 13:09.27 | petn-randall | zaq: http://archive.debian.org/ is the place to find all that, I believe. |
| 13:09.44 | zaq | thx petn-randall |
| 13:09.48 | petn-randall | zaq: If you still have etch in production, it's time to upgrade! ;) |
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| 13:12.09 | zaq | Yes petn-randall |
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| 13:28.35 | zaq | I have just a fetch netinstall cd When I try to configure the package manager with archive.debian.org I get an error. Is it possible to launch a net install with an old debian version ? |
| 13:29.59 | zaq | It is for test an old php application on php4 / debian etch which is in production |
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| 13:30.03 | BluesKaj | zaq, try a different mirror |
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| 13:30.36 | zaq | I have just archive.debain.org for old releases |
| 13:30.53 | plasmoduck | I have a question, I just downloaded this http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/bt-cd/debian-8.7.1-amd64-CD-1.iso.torrent |
| 13:31.00 | n4dir | can debootstrap install old/archived debian versions? |
| 13:31.21 | plasmoduck | and I used the following command to write it to usb sudo dd if=debian-8.7.1-amd64-CD-1.iso of=/dev/sdb1 bs=4M |
| 13:31.25 | plasmoduck | but it isn't booting |
| 13:31.27 | n4dir | if it is only to test php4, it should suffice, imho |
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| 13:32.13 | plasmoduck | what am I doing wrong? |
| 13:33.29 | TomTomTo1 | plasmoduck: you are meant to write the iso to the device, not the partition. |
| 13:33.51 | zaq | n4dir, can debootstrap intall application from archive.debian.org ? |
| 13:33.54 | plasmoduck | I thought that was the command to do so, what is it then? |
| 13:33.56 | zaq | install* |
| 13:34.12 | plasmoduck | TomTomTo1: |
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| 13:34.33 | plasmoduck | that did write the iso to usb |
| 13:34.35 | TomTomTo1 | plasmoduck: /dev/sdb1 is the first partition on the device /dev/sdb |
| 13:34.43 | plasmoduck | oh |
| 13:35.14 | n4dir | zaq: i am not sure, hence the question mark. |
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| 13:35.29 | BluesKaj | plasmoduck, did you use the correct path to the if=/path/to/isofile |
| 13:35.37 | plasmoduck | yup |
| 13:35.47 | TomTomTo1 | debootstrap installs a whole system. you can then chroot and use apt to install whatever package you want. |
| 13:35.49 | wreck_boo | says hello |
| 13:35.50 | plasmoduck | when i plug it into my laptop it mounts and looks fine |
| 13:35.50 | BluesKaj | was it in Downloads? |
| 13:36.26 | zaq | ok I am gonna try |
| 13:36.36 | wreck_boo | when mounting a shared folder on virtualbox it says fs type unknown |
| 13:37.03 | wreck_boo | the command i typed is mount -t vxboxsf gu /share |
| 13:37.09 | plasmoduck | ok thats better :) |
| 13:37.31 | wreck_boo | where share is the guest folder and gu the host folder to be shared |
| 13:38.04 | wreck_boo | how do i make the vm recognize the vxboxfs type |
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| 13:38.14 | BluesKaj | plasmoduck, yes the device to write to should be /dev/sdb not sdb1 |
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| 13:38.43 | wreck_boo | needs answers |
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| 13:39.43 | towo-nb | wreck_boo, and you have the guest additions installed? |
| 13:39.49 | wreck_boo | nop |
| 13:39.54 | towo-nb | wreck_boo, btw, this is not a debian problem |
| 13:40.18 | wreck_boo | am running debian |
| 13:40.24 | towo-nb | wreck_boo, i strongly suggest to you,m read the vbox manual |
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| 13:58.05 | lakada | hello um....can someone help me xorg >> (EE) No devices detected. |
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| 14:04.28 | stoned | lakada: lspci -n to find out which video card you have in system |
| 14:04.59 | stoned | or lspci -nn |grep VGA |
| 14:05.32 | stoned | that give you the pci id of the video card, and you can then get a driver package from xorg for it. |
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| 14:12.10 | lakada | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v2/3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller [8086:0162] (rev 09) |
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| 14:14.03 | userro | hello |
| 14:14.22 | userro | "libc6:amd64 : Depends: libgcc1:amd64 but it is not going to be installed" |
| 14:14.25 | lakada | hi |
| 14:14.38 | petn-randall | userro: This is on what system? |
| 14:14.48 | stoned | lakada: okay |
| 14:15.06 | userro | petn-randall, armhf |
| 14:15.24 | petn-randall | userro: and which OS release? |
| 14:15.35 | stoned | lakada: you have this package installed? xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 14:15.53 | stoned | lakada: please do not msg me in private, thanks. |
| 14:15.58 | lakada | yes |
| 14:16.09 | userro | petn-randall: Jesse |
| 14:16.13 | lakada | okay |
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| 14:16.36 | stoned | lakada: https://wiki.debian.org/Xorg |
| 14:16.40 | userro | petn-randall, do you know how to solve it? |
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| 14:16.47 | stoned | lakada: do you ahve /etc/X11/xorg.conf? |
| 14:17.07 | lakada | yes |
| 14:17.13 | petn-randall | !bat |
| 14:17.13 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 14:17.16 | petn-randall | userro: ^^^ |
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| 14:17.43 | stoned | lakada: rename /etc/X11/xorg.conf to xorg.conf.backup (so that you don't have xorg.conf file) and then let the xorg auto detection |
| 14:17.52 | stoned | See if that auto works. |
| 14:18.22 | lakada | okay give me a sec |
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| 14:18.37 | stoned | In most case, intel video is always working, it's amd/nvida that give issues mostly. |
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| 14:20.01 | lakada | umm..in the log i searched for "Display" and found this >> [ 461.707] (II) VESA(0): Creating default Display subsection in Screen section |
| 14:20.01 | lakada | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:23.12 | babilen | lakada: Is that after you (re)moved xorg.conf? |
| 14:23.15 | userro | petn-randall, ok. But is it possible to install the package if it says "it cannot be installed"? |
| 14:23.24 | lakada | yes |
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| 14:23.57 | userro | like any workarounds |
| 14:24.02 | petn-randall | userro: It means that something on your system is broken. If you provide the info asked for we might be able to help you fix it, though. |
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| 14:24.34 | userro | ok |
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| 14:44.10 | petn-randall | userro: Are you still collecting the info? |
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| 14:49.08 | userro | I'm still looking. I trying to fix it by myself |
| 14:49.22 | userro | I am |
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| 14:52.01 | Mosterd | If I'm using testing and I put this line in /etc/apt/sources.list (deb http://http.debian.net/debian unstable main), will testing remain the default? |
| 14:53.55 | zykotick9 | Mosterd: perhaps you should state what it is you want to accomplish. NOTE your current plan is a very bad idea IMO (see "/msg dpkg frankendebian" for some details). |
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| 14:55.45 | petn-randall | userro: It's probably easier to provide the info, and then let us help you, but each to their own. |
| 14:55.54 | Mosterd | zykotick9: my plan is to get an up to date version of firefox following the instructions here: https://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 14:56.34 | Mosterd | I only want firefox release nothing else even if it will be a statically linked binary |
| 14:56.54 | zykotick9 | Mosterd: well that's certainly m.d.n's instructions, so i guess it's all good... best of luck. |
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| 14:57.44 | jhutchins_wk | Mosterd: I think that would have unintended consequences. Other packages might be "upgraded" to unstable. |
| 14:57.55 | jhutchins_wk | Mosterd: I see nothing that would restrict it to firefox. |
| 14:58.10 | jhutchins_wk | ,v firefox |
| 14:58.11 | judd | Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 51.0.1-3~bpo80+1; sid: 52.0-1; experimental: 53.0~b1-1 |
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| 14:58.33 | Mosterd | I'm open to alternatives |
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| 14:58.44 | Mosterd | But I'm not on jessie, but on testing |
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| 14:59.19 | zykotick9 | notes m.d.n's firefox-release doesn't seem to be present, for the last couple of days... |
| 14:59.30 | zykotick9 | ^ for jessie |
| 14:59.36 | Mosterd | At least apt-get -s install firefox doesn't show any other upgradetes |
| 14:59.52 | Mosterd | but does pull in firefox from unstable |
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| 15:00.01 | pota_ | ciao ci sono italiani? |
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| 15:02.23 | Mosterd | on noes, apt-get -s dist-upgrade does show stuff from unstable |
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| 15:02.49 | Mosterd | So it's not restricted to firefox at all |
| 15:03.09 | cadeirn | hi all; I have a strange question: a long time ago (Etch/Lenny era) I seem to recall a Gnome graphical utility where it was possible to set the disk spindown time. I'm trying to find what commands it issued in the background, but for that, I first need to find the utility itself. (It's completely possible that my mind is tricking me and there was no such thing.) Does anyone have any recollection of settings like this? |
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| 15:03.41 | Mosterd | then i'll have to set up apt-pinning (which I think is a bit user-unfriendly as it works now) |
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| 15:05.21 | Mosterd | Why are /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/preferences in separate files? |
| 15:05.28 | Mosterd | it would be easier to have them in one place |
| 15:06.19 | jhutchins_wk | cadeirn: Not sure why you'd need a GUI, hdparm can change that setting. |
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| 15:06.25 | cadeirn | I know |
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| 15:08.22 | Mosterd | I'm still now sure if I have configured it right, because I can't complete apt-get install -t unst(able) |
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| 15:08.36 | cadeirn | jhutchins_wk http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_hard_drive_clicking - this never bitten a few laptops before; it does nowadays, and I'm putting my notes together that you need to disable apm (-B 255) and enable spindown (-S [reasonable value]). Since historically this wasn't a problem, I wanted to check if some former power manager daemon in gnome did the same or not, and is it missing from the current ones |
| 15:09.16 | cadeirn | it's only an interest, that's all |
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| 15:10.30 | plasmoduck | What's the difference between Debian desktop environment and MATE? |
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| 15:10.40 | plasmoduck | I thought Debian desktop environment is MATE? |
| 15:10.50 | johnkeates | MATE is a desktop environment based on Gnome 2 |
| 15:10.57 | plasmoduck | I know that |
| 15:11.06 | johnkeates | "Debian desktop environment" is whatever is default, currently that is GNOME 3 |
| 15:11.10 | johnkeates | MATE is not Gnome3 |
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| 15:11.39 | plasmoduck | But I remember in the past, just leaving Debian desktop environment selected and getting MATE? |
| 15:11.47 | johnkeates | no |
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| 15:11.55 | johnkeates | in the past you got gnome2 when gnome3 wasn't mature |
| 15:12.03 | johnkeates | which is what mate looks like and is based upon |
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| 15:12.23 | plasmoduck | By past, I mean last year. |
| 15:12.32 | plasmoduck | Not 5 years ago... |
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| 15:14.31 | plasmoduck | The naming is missleading, it should be titled "Gnome 3" rather than "Debian desktop environment", it feels like you're getting a lucky dip. |
| 15:15.00 | teraflops | debian desktop environment? what's that? |
| 15:15.20 | plasmoduck | Or rather, "Debian desktop environment GNOME 3" |
| 15:15.45 | johnkeates | "Debian Desktop environment" isn't actually a thing... |
| 15:15.56 | johnkeates | but there is a taskel task |
| 15:15.59 | babilen | Isn't that just the header of the dialogue where you can select more specific ones? |
| 15:16.03 | jelly | plasmoduck: but this way you can pick either "Debian desktop environment" or "Gnome desktop environment" which are obviously not the same thing! |
| 15:16.03 | johnkeates | that installs "a desktop environment" |
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| 15:16.46 | plasmoduck | No, you can actually select/deselect "Debian desktop environment" or the others beneath. |
| 15:17.03 | johnkeates | which makes it a tasksel dialog option, nothing more |
| 15:17.11 | johnkeates | it is just an alias or a pseudo-package |
| 15:17.18 | johnkeates | it's not a program or a thing by itself |
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| 15:23.55 | jhutchins_wk | Does the dde include some debian specific customizations that aren't installed if you just choose xfce f'rinstance? |
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| 15:29.41 | plasmoduck | is there something wrong with the debian package mirrors? Mainly au.debian.org? My downloads have been so slow from there over the last 2 days |
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| 15:29.53 | plasmoduck | All other traffic is fine. |
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| 15:31.35 | babilen | plasmoduck: It's the heat! |
| 15:32.52 | plasmoduck | It's autumn now though? |
| 15:33.20 | babilen | Hmm ... must be something else then. Did you try different mirrors? (NZ/deb.debian.org/...) already? |
| 15:33.32 | gdot | Has anyone recently had any luck preseeding a "zero-touch" strech netboot installation via a certain mixture of values in the preseed file and kernel append values so that the resulting installation has a) system language english and b) a non-us keyboard layout? Any pointers / pastes / help would be appreciated. |
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| 15:34.03 | plasmoduck | What command can I run to reselect a mirror? |
| 15:34.05 | babilen | gdot: Isn't the keyboard selection tied to the language selection? |
| 15:34.15 | cadeirn | no, it's not |
| 15:34.21 | babilen | plasmoduck: "emacs /etc/apt/sources.list" ;) |
| 15:34.57 | babilen | cadeirn: I seem to recall that the installer offers certain layouts based on your language selection |
| 15:34.58 | plasmoduck | babilen: no thank, I want to go back a few steps in the setup, im still installing the system. |
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| 15:35.10 | babilen | Should be free to set it to whatever in your preseed file though |
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| 15:35.37 | BluesKaj | gdot: I used the netinstall image and all the options you mentioned were available , didn't need to preseed |
| 15:35.58 | babilen | gdot: Could you paste your preseed file? |
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| 15:36.48 | gdot | https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apbs04.html.en states, regarding alternatives to locale=en_US or others: "Although this method is very easy to use, it does not allow preseeding of all possible combinations of language, country and locale[24]. So alternatively the values can be preseeded individually. Language and country can also be specified as boot parameters." |
| 15:37.33 | babilen | gdot: So, which options did you try and what happened? |
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| 15:37.54 | plasmoduck | why does ctrl+c not work to kill the Retrieving file process? |
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| 15:38.07 | plasmoduck | during install |
| 15:38.17 | plasmoduck | I've even unplugged my ethernet cable |
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| 15:41.46 | gdot | babilen: unfamiliar with paste.debian.net, took a moment: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/15d315e6/ |
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| 15:43.17 | gdot | as you can see from the multitude of append parameters I more or less declared bankruptcy ^^ The result of this and variations thereof consistently is a english system language with an english (us, I presume) keyboard |
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| 15:44.09 | babilen | But you want British English with a German nodeadkeys keyboard layout? |
| 15:44.45 | gdot | or American English with a German nodeadkeys keyboard layout, yes. |
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| 15:46.53 | babilen | I'm setting the following four in some bootstrap settings for boxes meant to be used by humans: http://paste.debian.net/919143/ -- I would expect good results from changing kbd-chooser/method to 'de' and setting eyboard-configuration/xkb-keymap do a sensible value |
| 15:47.01 | babilen | *to a sensible value |
| 15:47.20 | babilen | I don't know the right one for German nodeadkeys though |
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| 15:48.18 | babilen | gdot: Ah, I forgot "console-keymaps-at/keymap=gb ", |
| 15:48.30 | babilen | (forgot to paste that is) |
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| 15:49.17 | gdot | will try that out promptly, thanks! |
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| 15:55.51 | jelly | ,bug rm imapsync |
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| 16:05.13 | plasmoduck | what is wrong with flashplugin-nonfree??? ERROR: wget failed to download https://fpdownload.adobe.com/get/flashplayer/pdc/24.0.0.186/flash_player_npapi_linux.x86_64.tar.gz |
| 16:05.19 | wreck_boo | asks is there an enviromental variable that determines path to kernel modules? |
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| 16:08.46 | wreck_boo | needs answers |
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| 16:09.24 | Brigo | plasmoduck, maybe that versions isn't there any more |
| 16:10.23 | czesmir | https://fpdownload.adobe.com/get/flashplayer/pdc/24.0.0.221/flash_player_npapi_linux.x86_64.tar.gz |
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| 16:11.23 | wreck_boo | is waiting for answers |
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| 16:11.53 | babilen | wreck_boo: You want it to use the URL provided by czesmir, I guess |
| 16:12.15 | babilen | Ah, ENICK .. plasmoduck ^ |
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| 16:12.46 | babilen | The version might not have been updated yet, so .. patience |
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| 16:13.03 | plasmoduck | ??? |
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| 16:13.13 | plasmoduck | what version? |
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| 16:13.23 | wreck_boo | czesmir: u sent me a url to a gz archive |
| 16:13.24 | babilen | 24.0.0.221 |
| 16:13.26 | plasmoduck | Im just trying to apt install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 16:13.31 | wreck_boo | how does it help? |
| 16:13.38 | plasmoduck | it installs then starts to wget files and 404s |
| 16:13.44 | plasmoduck | how can I get around this? |
| 16:13.51 | babilen | "wait" |
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| 16:14.21 | babilen | Read the script its running .. I believe it checks on a specific website which version to use and takes it from there |
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| 16:14.43 | plasmoduck | I just want to play a simple flash game :/ |
| 16:14.45 | dTal | wreck_boo: no I don't believe so |
| 16:14.59 | plasmoduck | now adobe flash installing is broken :/ |
| 16:15.01 | dTal | you might try scraping /etc/modules.conf |
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| 16:15.16 | greycat | "modprobe looks in the module directory /lib/modules/`uname -r`" |
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| 16:15.50 | greycat | "ENVIRONMENT The MODPROBE_OPTIONS environment variable can also be used to pass arguments to modprobe." |
| 16:15.58 | greycat | No mention of any others. |
| 16:16.06 | jelly | plasmoduck: stupid workaround: install google chrome |
| 16:16.30 | jhutchins_wk | plasmoduck: There is this thing called "google"... |
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| 16:18.40 | jelly | plasmoduck: what does «update-flashplugin-nonfree --status» run as root say? |
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| 16:19.04 | Bombo_ | hi |
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| 16:20.43 | Bombo | i seem to have lost /usr/share is there a command to check every installed package, check if all files are existing? |
| 16:20.58 | plasmoduck | jelly: Flash Player version installed on this system : |
| 16:20.58 | plasmoduck | Flash Player version available on upstream site: 24.0.0.221 |
| 16:21.23 | greycat | Bombo: debsums? |
| 16:21.30 | plasmoduck | I am using chromium |
| 16:21.43 | jelly | plasmoduck: that looks good, and what does «update-flashplugin-nonfree --verbose --install» say? Use a pastebin site like paste.debian.net |
| 16:21.44 | jhutchins_wk | https://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
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| 16:23.22 | plasmoduck | jelly: ERROR: wget failed to download https://fpdownload.adobe.com/get/flashplayer/pdc/24.0.0.186/flash_player_npapi_linux.x86_64.tar.gz |
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| 16:23.54 | plasmoduck | debian is broken |
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| 16:24.07 | greycat | You mean Flash is broken. |
| 16:24.10 | teraflops | ಠ_ಠ|
| 16:24.10 | plasmoduck | it needs to be updated to point to the correct version |
| 16:24.15 | jhutchins_wk | plasmoduck: Don't be an idiot. Debian isn't broken. |
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| 16:24.36 | plasmoduck | the wget script or what ever part it is |
| 16:24.40 | jhutchins_wk | plasmoduck: Often what happens is that Adobe updates the package and removes the one the script points at. You get a 404. |
| 16:24.55 | plasmoduck | yup thats what im talking about |
| 16:25.06 | jhutchins_wk | plasmoduck: If you will read the wiki page about FlashPlayer, it will show you how to download the package manually and installe it for Debian. |
| 16:25.59 | Bombo | crap, apt-get tells me 'debconf: Perl may be unconfigured (Can't locate strict.pm in @INC ...' |
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| 16:26.27 | BluesKaj | i gave up on FF flash , it works on some sites and not at all others, so I'm using chrome. no more problems |
| 16:26.35 | greycat | Bombo: extract the perl pacakge by hand if need be (ar, tar) |
| 16:26.53 | greycat | (or dpkg -x, if that still works) |
| 16:27.04 | Bombo | apt-get install --reinstall debconf gives me 'ImportError: No module named debpython' |
| 16:27.06 | jelly | plasmoduck: that does not look like the complete output |
| 16:27.11 | Bombo | greycat: hmm |
| 16:27.34 | jelly | plasmoduck: care to paste the full output |
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| 16:33.38 | plasmoduck | when i do: # update-alternatives --quiet --install /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flash-mozilla.so flash-mozilla.so /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libpepflashplayer.so |
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| 16:33.57 | plasmoduck | I get: update-alternatives: --install needs <link> <name> <path> <priority> |
| 16:34.24 | greycat | so specify the priority |
| 16:34.43 | plasmoduck | I don't even know what I am doing let alone priority? |
| 16:34.45 | greycat | you only gave 3 args; its wants another one |
| 16:34.54 | greycat | read the man page |
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| 16:35.11 | plasmoduck | ? |
| 16:35.16 | greycat | . |
| 16:35.31 | plasmoduck | what man page? |
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| 16:35.43 | plasmoduck | why is so hard to install flash this is rediculous |
| 16:36.07 | plasmoduck | Is there not a binary or a .deb I can use? |
| 16:36.07 | greycat | Because it's proprietary and evil. |
| 16:36.14 | plasmoduck | *looks* |
| 16:36.30 | BluesKaj | the man pages aren't written for ordinary users . mostly they're arcane and have no examples to guide the user , mostly hopeless for non coders like me |
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| 16:37.08 | greycat | Do you put a space before your periods just to piss me off, or did you just never attend a school? |
| 16:37.12 | plasmoduck | is there not a free flashplugin? |
| 16:37.14 | BluesKaj | plasmoduck: install chrome |
| 16:37.35 | plasmoduck | BluesKaj: I am using chromium |
| 16:37.37 | jelly | plasmoduck: yes there is, it's called google-chrome-stable_57.whatever-1_amd64.deb |
| 16:37.43 | greycat | So use google-chrome instead of chromium. |
| 16:37.45 | CeBe | man update-alternatives is pretty detailed with a lot of examples |
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| 16:38.34 | plasmoduck | So I am "forced" to use a different browser? One that is not open source? |
| 16:38.44 | plasmoduck | This is like going around in circles. |
| 16:38.45 | greycat | FLASH IS NOT OPEN SOURCE |
| 16:38.45 | jelly | plasmoduck: flash is not open source. |
| 16:38.56 | plasmoduck | Chrome is not open source either |
| 16:38.59 | jelly | exactly |
| 16:39.01 | plasmoduck | Chromium is |
| 16:39.04 | greycat | You can't plead open-source-purity and then insist on using Flash. |
| 16:39.08 | BluesKaj | use chrome, they look the same but they're different when it comes to flash, plasmoduck |
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| 16:39.25 | jelly | plasmoduck: if you ask for an easy solution, a deb, that's it |
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| 16:40.02 | CeBe | there is also a flashplugin-nonfree package |
| 16:40.05 | jelly | if not, wait a couple days until the person taking care of flashplugin-nonfree verifies and signs the new version |
| 16:40.13 | jelly | CeBe: they _started_ with that not working |
| 16:40.22 | CeBe | oh, sry not seen that |
| 16:40.32 | plasmoduck | how about just a free version of flash instead of switching browsers? |
| 16:40.37 | plasmoduck | Does that even exist? |
| 16:40.37 | greycat | Apparently Adobe updated its software and removed the previous version, and the installer-wrapper hasn't caught up. |
| 16:40.43 | jelly | plasmoduck: such a thing does not exist |
| 16:41.01 | BluesKaj | bah, more pedantic paranoid geeks ...God help us |
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| 16:44.23 | plasmoduck | why couldn't you guys just tell me about pepperflashplugin-nonfree? Googles version of flash.... |
| 16:45.18 | greycat | !pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
| 16:45.18 | dpkg | Pepper Flash Player is a proprietary <flash> plugin included with the Google Chrome web browser. The pepperflashplugin-nonfree Debian package can be used to install this plugin for the <Chromium> browser, ask me about <contrib>. https://wiki.debian.org/PepperFlashPlayer |
| 16:45.51 | plasmoduck | exactly |
| 16:45.52 | greycat | does not know or care about this shit and just waits for the day that Flash is dead and gone. |
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| 16:46.14 | jelly | plasmoduck: probably suffers from a very similar issue, now that it's Adobe taking care of both builds |
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| 16:46.26 | jelly | try it and see? |
| 16:46.59 | jelly | it's not google's any more, adobe builds it again, and it only works on chromium and derivatives |
| 16:46.59 | BluesKaj | plasmoduck: pepper flash works and sometimes it doesn't it's not the fix you think it is |
| 16:47.12 | semitones | Hey you know how the debian-installer will create a sudoer user account for you if you don't give it a root password? Is there a way to create an account like this automatically later? |
| 16:47.31 | semitones | because "useradd" has a lot of options... |
| 16:47.43 | greycat | semitones: it's just adding the user to the sudo group |
| 16:47.44 | petn-randall | semitones: 'apt install sudo && adduser <youruser> sudo' |
| 16:47.47 | jelly | semitones: run "adduser username sudo", log off that user and log on, that's it |
| 16:48.36 | semitones | Ok! I thought I had to create a new group for the user, specify a default shell, create a /home/user directory with the proper perms, ... |
| 16:48.46 | greycat | semitones: nope |
| 16:48.46 | BluesKaj | it's not useradd, it's adduser as jelly just posted |
| 16:48.58 | BluesKaj | semitones: ^ |
| 16:49.14 | semitones | Is what I said the difference between useradd and adduser? |
| 16:49.17 | greycat | semitones: I mean, that's what you do when you create a new user, but just to give it sudo powers? That only requires adding it to one additional group. |
| 16:49.29 | greycat | semitones: adduser is the friendly wrapper |
| 16:49.37 | greycat | useradd is the low-level underlying tool |
| 16:49.41 | semitones | Well right now I just have a root account, but I want to create a brand new user |
| 16:49.51 | greycat | So run adduser. |
| 16:50.19 | greycat | Or I guess you have to give one argument, the username. |
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| 16:50.54 | semitones | Ok -- but I don't have to give it any more arguments I could mess up, like specifying /bin/bash as the shell, and creating a home directory, and adding it to the necessary groups? |
| 16:51.05 | semitones | For some reason I thought if I created "user" I |
| 16:51.15 | jelly | it will ask you for some of that but you don't have to change defaults |
| 16:51.20 | semitones | I'd have to create a group called "user" and make user a part of it |
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| 16:51.39 | greycat | If you just run it with one argument (username), it prompts you for everything else. |
| 16:52.38 | Bombo | waits for fonts to be reinstalled |
| 16:53.32 | Bombo | should have done a backup *writesontodolist* |
| 16:53.33 | jelly | semitones: it's not easy to manage to have a debian system with just root, since the first normal user always gets created during the normal installation process |
| 16:53.46 | jelly | how did you do that |
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| 16:54.01 | semitones | jelly, is there a way to find out all the users I have? |
| 16:54.07 | greycat | cat /etc/passwd |
| 16:54.08 | jelly | semitones: getent passwd |
| 16:54.35 | greycat | (They both appear to do the same on a regular system.) |
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| 16:55.38 | semitones | Ok I had a few users I didn't know about -- I'm using a pre-configured version of debian called openmediavault and learning about debian as I go. So I didn't know I had any other accounts. |
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| 16:56.04 | semitones | I think if I were doing it again, I'd just install debian-minimal, and then install the openmediavault software on top, so I had a more normal system |
| 16:56.09 | greycat | *facepalm* |
| 16:56.28 | jelly | ah, OMV isn't really debian any more |
| 16:56.30 | semitones | is it that bad? |
| 16:56.32 | greycat | But ok, at least you are learning. |
| 16:56.53 | greycat | !omv |
| 16:56.53 | dpkg | OpenMediaVault is a NAS operating system with a web-based control panel. It is <based on Debian> but not supported in #debian. Support can be found at http://wiki.openmediavault.org/ and #openmediavault on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 16:57.34 | semitones | it seems debian and debian-based are more different than I thought. But I don't really understand these differences. Thanks I'll stick to that channel and come back when I have a real debian server to work on :) |
| 16:58.32 | jelly | installers can differ wildly, as can the results of installation |
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| 16:58.59 | jelly | but the main issue is, people in here don't know what derivative distros changed |
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| 16:59.26 | semitones | that makes sense |
| 16:59.39 | jelly | we also don't know if best practices for debian apply to a specific derivative or if they're going to break something |
| 17:00.27 | semitones | one thing that I was really mad about, for example, is OMV changed the default behavior of the installer so that if you select a drive to partition, it wipes the drive without asking for user confirmation. That's gotta be a *worst* practice |
| 17:00.39 | jelly | so unless a user installed actual debian, they get pointed to the right support venue for their product |
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| 17:02.16 | semitones | so if I get the nuance right -- if I installed the system from a debian-minimal iso, learned how to configure it, and then installed the openmediavault package -- would the underlying OS be debian still, or would the openmediavault package be able to make all those same changes that make it hard to support |
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| 17:03.40 | teraflops | is OMV a package or a repo? |
| 17:04.05 | jelly | semitones: you'd still get punted to OMV support because it makes a lot of changes to the system probably |
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| 17:04.49 | jelly | semitones: but if you made all the necessary setup yourself to arrive at a working NAS, then you'd be able to ask here :-) |
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| 17:05.31 | semitones | jelly, I almost think that would be better than what I'm doing now |
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| 17:05.47 | semitones | this webgui plugins stuff feels pretty unnecessary on a debian system |
| 17:06.12 | semitones | but then again I don't know how to configure SMB/CIFS and stuff yet... |
| 17:06.24 | jelly | maybe you don't want to deal with sysadmining and just want a NAS appliance |
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| 17:08.18 | Datz | Hi, I'm looking for information on how to find out how often, or not the time is set or read from the hwclock. |
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| 17:08.59 | petn-randall | Datz: Only at boot and shutdown, AFAIK. |
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| 17:09.56 | Datz | I see. |
| 17:10.38 | Datz | So the every 11 min sync isn't enabled by default. |
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| 17:12.19 | jelly | Datz: does ntp(d) do that? If so, you need to install it |
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| 17:12.34 | semitones | jelly, clearly I DO want to deal with sysadminning because I'm trying to do everything the hard way here instead of using the GUI :p |
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| 17:13.23 | semitones | like I don't have to create another user, I just wanted to so I wouldn't be logged in as root when I SSH into the box. But you don't really need to SSH if you're using the webgui |
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| 17:16.06 | jelly | Datz: I have chrony on this machine, it seems it also puts the system into this mode (as shown by adjtimex --print) |
| 17:16.10 | Datz | jelly: I have ntp installed. I don't know how often it syncs the rtc though. |
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| 17:16.29 | Datz | jelly: ok. I just installed adjtimex |
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| 17:17.25 | jelly | sorry, it's off (when status: bit 6 (= value 64) is set, and on when unset apparently |
| 17:17.37 | jelly | google told me, it must be true |
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| 17:18.29 | jelly | (ref: http://serverfault.com/a/351121) |
| 17:19.02 | neglesaks | Q: Apparently by system log viewer refuses to launch now. its not in the process tree. any things to check? it happened just this afternoon. |
| 17:19.18 | Datz | thanks |
| 17:19.25 | neglesaks | oh, btw: Debian jessie stable |
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| 17:19.49 | jelly | neglesaks: what is "system log viewer", a gui app for gnome? |
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| 17:22.38 | neglesaks | yes, exactly. |
| 17:23.13 | jelly | I'll switch to dumb mode, did you try logging off and back on again |
| 17:23.36 | neglesaks | yes, but i was about to do it again just to be safe. |
| 17:23.47 | neglesaks | so ill try that and anotehr thing and get back to you. thanks |
| 17:24.05 | jelly | if you can figure out which specific command is called, try starting it from a terminal and see if there's any output |
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| 17:26.34 | plasmoduck | why is this not installing? Wait let me guess, someone decided to remove it... https://packages.debian.org/sid/utils/mate-applet-topmenu |
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| 17:28.22 | jelly | plasmoduck: which debian release are you using? |
| 17:28.26 | jelly | ,v mate-applet-topmenu |
| 17:28.27 | judd | Package: mate-applet-topmenu on amd64 -- stretch: 0.3-1; sid: 0.3-1 |
| 17:29.15 | plasmoduck | 3.16 |
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| 17:30.54 | jelly | plasmoduck: that looks like a kernel version, |
| 17:30.56 | jelly | !debian suite |
| 17:30.57 | dpkg | cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab almost all distributions. |
| 17:31.23 | jelly | as the bot says, that package does not exist in debian 8 (jessie), only testing and unstable |
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| 17:33.37 | plasmoduck | 8.7 |
| 17:33.41 | plasmoduck | sorry |
| 17:33.59 | plasmoduck | can I enable it with backports? |
| 17:34.11 | plasmoduck | or still install it anyway? |
| 17:35.01 | jelly | it's not available in backports either, only stretch (current testing) and sid (unstable) |
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| 17:35.23 | plasmoduck | I thought I installed testing on here, bummer |
| 17:35.26 | Alina-malina | wow i set the time zone, and it give me wront gime, what is going on :-/ |
| 17:35.36 | plasmoduck | can I upgrade my sistem to stretch? |
| 17:35.36 | Alina-malina | wrong time |
| 17:35.41 | plasmoduck | via a command |
| 17:36.01 | greycat | Alina-malina: you also need to set the time, either by running ntp, or by manually running date, or whatever |
| 17:36.05 | jelly | plasmoduck: yes, but be aware testing is a work in progress and not ready for casual users. /msg dpkg jessie->stretch |
| 17:36.17 | topyli | like they say, if you don't know how, you probably shouldn't :) |
| 17:36.25 | jelly | plasmoduck: also, /msg dpkg debian-next |
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| 17:36.30 | Alina-malina | greycat, ok let me set the time manually and then ugrade it again with dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 17:36.46 | greycat | No, set the time zone FIRST. Don't keep flipping it around. |
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| 17:37.18 | jelly | plasmoduck: if being unable to pull flash annoys you, expect at least half a dozen similar annoyances in testing any given day or upgrade |
| 17:37.52 | Alina-malina | with hwclock? |
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| 17:39.02 | jhutchins_wk | plasmoduck: If not being able to get flash just because there's an error in the script has stopped you, testing is DEFNINETLY not a good idea. |
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| 17:39.14 | greycat | Alina-malina: Set the time zone. Then set the time, either by installing ntp and letting that go, or by manually running the date command with a carefully constructed argument. |
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| 17:39.32 | jhutchins_wk | plasmoduck: I posted a link to a page that includes the manual procedure to get it earlier. |
| 17:39.40 | greycat | (there's also ntpdate and rdate and some systemd crap and who knows what else, but just keep it SIMPLE for now) |
| 17:39.49 | Alina-malina | greycat, the timezone is set correctly |
| 17:39.55 | jhutchins_wk | plasmoduck: It's very unlikely that the script is not broken on testing as well. |
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| 17:40.18 | plasmoduck | jelly: ok its updating but I see some jessie sources still, will that cause conflicts? https://paste.debian.net/919157/ |
| 17:40.19 | lysol | what side of a lithium ion battery is the postive side |
| 17:40.21 | topyli | plasmoduck: i would rather backport the specific package from testing or sid, rather than upgrade the whole system if i were you. 1) you'd be still be running stable, 2) you would learn how to backport stuff. which is not very diffictult |
| 17:40.54 | jhutchins_wk | Sounds like he already kicked off the upgrade, too late. |
| 17:41.33 | topyli | plasmoduck: then again, that package in particular might depend on a newer version of the whole desktop though, so.... oh right, godspeed :) |
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| 17:41.51 | plasmoduck | I have stretch installed on another computer already so I am familiar with what to expect |
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| 17:42.09 | topyli | ok good |
| 17:42.52 | plasmoduck | But please see my debian paste about jessie sources for dropbox ect still in there, will that cause problems or can I ignore it? |
| 17:43.01 | jhutchins_wk | plasmoduck: And yet you couldn't figure out how to get flash with written instructions posted. |
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| 17:43.20 | plasmoduck | jhutchins_wk: don't worry about flash :) |
| 17:43.29 | plasmoduck | I've moved on from there. |
| 17:43.32 | edeca | Why oh why does easy-build.sh from debian-cd overwrite half the settings you've set in CONF.sh. Aghh. |
| 17:43.41 | plasmoduck | I have better things to worry about now. |
| 17:44.13 | topyli | plasmoduck: apt is already ignoring the problem, so it's not something you should worry about right now. but you should fix your sources.d at some point |
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| 17:45.49 | plasmoduck | okie dokie |
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| 17:48.11 | mefistofeles | hello, how can I know in which "repository" is some package located? |
| 17:48.21 | nikitasius | hi folks! what does mean expression: "loot rascals"? |
| 17:48.27 | greycat | mefistofeles: Debian. |
| 17:48.27 | mefistofeles | with apt |
| 17:48.34 | mefistofeles | greycat: ? |
| 17:48.39 | greycat | In the Debian repository. |
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| 17:48.53 | mefistofeles | greycat: yes, but wich? updates? main? non-free? backports? |
| 17:48.56 | mefistofeles | which* |
| 17:49.10 | mefistofeles | apt-cache show doesn't show that |
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| 17:49.32 | greycat | You added jessie-backports? OK, then you can use apt-cache policy pkgname to try to figure out where a specific pkg came from that you already have. |
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| 17:50.17 | mefistofeles | greycat: hmm that gives me the version installed and candidate, but not the repo |
| 17:50.43 | greycat | ... |
| 17:50.47 | greycat | Losing. Patience. |
| 17:50.55 | jelly | plasmoduck: get rid of any unofficial or backport sources during a release upgrade, and re-add them later, that's usually in the release notes |
| 17:51.07 | mefistofeles | greycat: nvm then |
| 17:52.20 | mefistofeles | greycat: oh, if I get /var/lib/dpkg/status that means it was installed directly form deb? |
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| 17:52.29 | mefistofeles | from* |
| 17:52.56 | jelly | mefistofeles: no, it means it's present in current package state of this system |
| 17:53.18 | greycat | mefistofeles: http://paste.debian.net/919162/ |
| 17:53.29 | jelly | it says nothing about where it got installed _from_ |
| 17:53.41 | mefistofeles | lets see... I get https://bpaste.net/show/9849901f7653 |
| 17:53.49 | mefistofeles | as you can see there'sno reference to a repository |
| 17:54.05 | greycat | So it's not in ANY of your sources. You manually installed a .deb file. |
| 17:54.14 | mefistofeles | that's what I thought, thanks |
| 17:54.28 | mefistofeles | I may have compiled it by hand and created the deb... now I have to figure out how I did that xD |
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| 17:54.34 | plasmoduck | How can I fix this problem where the edge of windows a pixelated and not smooth? https://s2.postimg.org/opgbwsevt/Screenshot.png |
| 17:55.06 | jelly | mefistofeles: it also may be that version _used_ to be in a repository but got removed since, or that you got it from a repository that you removed from configuration since |
| 17:55.17 | jelly | !obsolete |
| 17:55.17 | dpkg | If you remove a repository from your sources.list (e.g. removing <dmm>), then you should check what packages you have installed from the other repository. Synaptic and aptitude have a "Obsolete and Locally Created Packages" list. Or, "aptitude search ~o". Note this doesn't include packages that exist in the repo at a different version to the one you have installed; see <not available> <list repositories>. |
| 17:55.27 | jelly | mefistofeles: ^^ |
| 17:55.31 | mefistofeles | jelly: I'm almost sure now that I created the deb manually |
| 17:55.41 | mefistofeles | I do that a lot with debian, since it lacks some packages I use in stable |
| 17:57.40 | mefistofeles | sudo pypi-install blosc |
| 17:57.41 | mefistofeles | there it is |
| 17:57.45 | mefistofeles | jelly: that was it, thanks |
| 17:57.47 | mefistofeles | greycat: thanks |
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| 18:01.27 | neglesaks | ok. in re the system log viewer - it requires the usual su credentials to launch. if i give it, it immediately quits are creashes. if i dont give it, it launches successfully, but with only two of the logfiles visible in sidebar (the usual /var/log/ ..) |
| 18:02.16 | stoned | just view the logs on the comman dline |
| 18:02.19 | stoned | don't need a gui |
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| 18:06.31 | stoned | http://lnav.org/ |
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| 18:07.44 | neglesaks | yeah i was reachoing that conclusion since there seems to have been a fuse shorted somewhere in the cofigs... thanks. |
| 18:08.05 | neglesaks | thank you jelly and stoned |
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| 18:08.28 | stoned | THE LOG FILE NAVIGATOR |
| 18:08.31 | stoned | oop |
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| 18:14.54 | jhutchins_wk | neglesaks: There's a system log viewer? |
| 18:15.33 | jhutchins_wk | neglesaks: Is this something in gnome? |
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| 18:16.38 | stoned | jhutchins_wk: check my link too |
| 18:17.01 | stoned | jhutchins_wk: kde has ksystemlog |
| 18:17.19 | stoned | KSystemLog is a system log viewer tool. This program is developed for beginner users, who don't know how to find information about their Linux system, and don't know where log files are. |
| 18:17.27 | stoned | Probably same as Gnome, for beginners. |
| 18:17.28 | jhutchins_wk | ,v lnav |
| 18:17.29 | judd | Package: lnav on amd64 -- jessie: 0.7.0-3; stretch: 0.8.1-2+b1; sid: 0.8.1-2+b1 |
| 18:17.49 | stoned | :) |
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| 18:18.26 | jhutchins_wk | Colorization can be useful. |
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| 18:24.33 | stoned | pretty colors |
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| 18:26.53 | stoned | lnav takes a ridiculous amount of memory |
| 18:26.55 | stoned | jeez. |
| 18:27.08 | stoned | I pointed it to /varlog and it's taking ages to load. |
| 18:27.23 | stoned | Probably should try it on a specific log direc |
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| 18:30.45 | JordiGH | Can apt and aptitude disagree by default on what to do on an install command if there are no conflicts? |
| 18:31.07 | OnceMe | I have on local debian 8.5 and in production 8.6. Will my configure setup be affected in anyway? |
| 18:32.39 | somiaj | JordiGH: I don't think so, unless they some how deal with recommended and suggested packages differently. |
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| 18:32.56 | somiaj | JordiGH: but they should use the same preferences for this, one would have to have cli options to change this I think. |
| 18:33.01 | JordiGH | That used to happen once, but I don't think it happens anymore? |
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| 18:35.19 | somiaj | JordiGH: a long time ago, they use to have different configurations so it could be different. I don't think that is possible now, I think the only difference would be if one atached command line options to deal with recommended or installed different |
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| 18:35.51 | somiaj | actually wait, there is one place it could be different, if an install requires you to remove a package, and that package is holding in automatic installed packages, aptitude would remove those and apt wouldn't |
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| 18:38.57 | OnceMe | are there any big changes between 8.5 and 8.6 versions of debian jessie? |
| 18:39.10 | bschool | http://pastebin.com/1xezSikX when trying to upgrade I get this error. |
| 18:39.51 | somiaj | OnceMe: point releases try to only provide security fixes and bug fixes, so there shouldn't be big changes. Unfourntally there are sometimes issues with upstream and secuirty support that makes this not always true, but it is almost always true |
| 18:40.09 | OnceMe | ok thanks, thats what I thought |
| 18:40.11 | somiaj | the iceweasel->firefox or the samba 4.1 -> 4.2 were examples of security fixes that did a version bumb. |
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| 18:40.27 | OnceMe | somiaj: I have on a local server some provision scripts which need to be ran on production, but local is 8.5 and production is 8.6 |
| 18:40.39 | OnceMe | so I have doubts that *integrity* is not fully confirmed |
| 18:40.54 | hexnewbie | JordiGH: You can schedule installations (--schedule-only, etc.), which may cause future aptitude runs to look different from apt-get runs. Or at least I believe it can -- i have not used these features, but I've seen others struggelw ith them |
| 18:41.01 | somiaj | OnceMe: that should be fine, except if you hit one of these rare cases that the security team has to do a version bump to address a security issue. |
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| 18:42.50 | OnceMe | as I can see, no major security issue was release from 8.5 to 8.6 |
| 18:42.59 | OnceMe | I guess it should be fine |
| 18:43.29 | somiaj | yea, the only one I can think of samba, has already hit and is no longer needed |
| 18:43.39 | somiaj | though you should consider upgrading your local system to 8.6 for the security issues |
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| 18:46.24 | neglesaks | jhutchins_wk, yes its the "system log" app that follows with GNOME3 |
| 18:46.33 | neglesaks | and otherwise as stoned says |
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| 18:52.17 | TomTomTo1 | bschool: samba depends on file-rc, openrc or sysv-rc, which you don't seem to have. the maintainer scripts fail without. |
| 18:53.13 | bschool | TomTomTo1: how do i fix that? |
| 18:53.23 | bschool | can i just install those? |
| 18:53.29 | plasmoduck | Im loving this "Swipe fingerprint" for sudo commands :) |
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| 18:55.07 | dev987 | Newbie question: On new Debian 8 server, how do I enable incoming TCP traffic on a specific port? |
| 18:55.29 | dev987 | Is iptables the right tool to configure? I'm doing this via Ansible, btw |
| 18:55.31 | plasmoduck | dev987: using iptables |
| 18:55.39 | dev987 | plasmoduck: thank you! |
| 18:56.04 | somiaj | dev987: you shoudln't hvae to do anything to enable incomming trafic, by default debian won't have any firewall up. |
| 18:56.08 | greycat | dev987: simply install whatever program listens on that port. |
| 18:56.11 | greycat | iptables is NOT in use by default |
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| 19:01.12 | plasmoduck | dev987: checkout firestarter, it's an iptables frontend |
| 19:01.39 | greycat | Or stop even THINKING about iptables, because it's not what you want, it's not in play, and it's just distracting you. |
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| 19:21.10 | somiaj | hmm, is there a regex command to only capatilize some letters without having to do multiple replacements. so something like s/[bdw]/[BDW]/ -- doesn't work, but I would like to say only captalize b, d and w without doing three seperate s/b/B/ replacements. |
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| 19:22.17 | greycat | somiaj: tr |
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| 19:22.45 | somiaj | tr? |
| 19:22.47 | greycat | wooledg@wooledg:~$ echo abcdefg | tr ace ACE |
| 19:22.47 | greycat | AbCdEfg |
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| 19:23.17 | somiaj | ahh doing this in perl though |
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| 19:25.45 | greycat | perl has a tr function also |
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| 19:26.23 | OnceMe | somiaj: 8.6.1 vs 8.6.0 ? |
| 19:26.40 | somiaj | greycat: thanks, didn't realize perl had that. |
| 19:26.59 | greycat | wooledg@wooledg:~$ perl -e '$foo="abcdefg"; $foo =~ tr/ace/ACE/; print $foo, "\n"' |
| 19:27.00 | somiaj | OnceMe: I think this was due to a bug with the 8.6 release images so they had to make an 8.6.1 to fix it |
| 19:27.02 | greycat | AbCdEfg |
| 19:27.11 | greycat | is not a perl guru, so that may be ugly or horrible |
| 19:27.23 | somiaj | yup, tr/// was what I needed, was trying to do it with s/// |
| 19:27.25 | OnceMe | somiaj: yeah, 8.6.0 network cables fails, on 8.6.1 it works fine |
| 19:27.39 | OnceMe | hmm, my production box says its 8.6 |
| 19:27.46 | OnceMe | how do I get a full release name? |
| 19:28.04 | teclo- | lsb something |
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| 19:28.16 | teclo- | lsb_release -a |
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| 19:28.25 | somiaj | OnceMe: just keep things upto date, don't really need to distnigish that much between point releases, just make sure you have all the updates that are provided. |
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| 19:29.32 | OnceMe | lsb_release -a says its 8.6 |
| 19:29.52 | OnceMe | it's a production server |
| 19:30.03 | OnceMe | with pre-made iso on linode |
| 19:30.07 | OnceMe | I can't affect on that |
| 19:30.35 | OnceMe | somiaj: can you tell me how to get the exact release? |
| 19:30.40 | DebianUser1 | Hey guys. I got a question regarding encryption type when you install Debian. On a virtual machine is xts-plain64 the best option, or is it cbc-essiv:sha256? |
| 19:31.02 | greycat | OnceMe: what more do you think you need than what lsb_release -a told you? |
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| 19:31.39 | OnceMe | it says to me its 8.6 |
| 19:31.43 | OnceMe | I want 8.6.0 or 8.6.1 |
| 19:31.47 | OnceMe | precise release if possible |
| 19:32.19 | greycat | There is no "8.6.1" |
| 19:33.02 | greycat | base-files (8+deb8u7) stable; urgency=low |
| 19:33.02 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:33.06 | greycat | base-files (8+deb8u6) stable; urgency=low |
| 19:33.06 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:33.13 | greycat | There is nothing in between those. |
| 19:33.31 | greycat | zless /usr/share/doc/base-files/changelog.gz |
| 19:33.48 | somiaj | OnceMe: run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade (that will give you the most current versions) |
| 19:33.57 | OnceMe | for Jessie? |
| 19:34.01 | OnceMe | I dont want to upgrade on stretch |
| 19:34.08 | greycat | Current point-release of jessie is 8.7 |
| 19:34.10 | somiaj | 8.6.1 was as I said due to a bug with the install images for 8.6.0, but no other changes. |
| 19:34.35 | somiaj | OnceMe: your sources.list should say jessie and that should only upgrade your packages to the current versions in jessie |
| 19:35.05 | OnceMe | this is on production: Linux version 4.9.7-x86_64-linode80 (maker@build) (gcc version 4.7.2 (Debian 4.7.2-5) ) #2 SMP Thu Feb 2 15:43:55 EST 2017 and this is on local: Linux version 3.16.0-4-amd64 (debian-kernel@lists.debian.org) (gcc version 4.8.4 (Debian 4.8.4-1) ) #1 SMP Debian 3.16.36-1+deb8u1 (2016-09-03) |
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| 19:35.26 | OnceMe | are both systems the same? |
| 19:35.31 | greycat | Your "production" is useing a custom or backported kernel. |
| 19:36.04 | OnceMe | greycat: what should I do then? |
| 19:36.10 | OnceMe | it's linode's iso file |
| 19:36.22 | greycat | You should use apt-get update and apt-get -u upgrade on a regular basis to keep up to date on security patches. |
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| 19:37.04 | greycat | Your kernel is not likely to receive any updates unless you have a "linode" repository that is maintaining it. |
| 19:37.08 | greycat | whatever that is |
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| 19:38.52 | emx | i got this strange issue: when my system booted i have to restart dnsmasq for it to resolve domain names. what could be the reason? |
| 19:38.58 | OnceMe | greycat: so I basically should run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade on both boxes to save consistency? |
| 19:39.10 | OnceMe | somiaj: yeah its jessie |
| 19:39.20 | greycat | The kernels will never match, but otherwise yes. |
| 19:40.06 | OnceMe | ok |
| 19:40.23 | OnceMe | I just want to be sure that if I install nginx on local server, and then run script on production, that Ill get the same nginx version |
| 19:40.24 | somiaj | due to security concerns you should keep both boxes upgraded |
| 19:40.37 | OnceMe | somiaj: with apt-get upgrade? |
| 19:41.24 | greycat | OnceMe: there is always apt-get --print-uris install nginx |
| 19:41.43 | greycat | or if you prefer, apt-cache policy nginx |
| 19:41.46 | OnceMe | greycat: but I cant manually track which version is installed for nginx mysql etc etc |
| 19:41.52 | greycat | Why not? |
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| 19:42.15 | greycat | Do you mean "I can't" or "I don't want to" or "I don't know how"? |
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| 19:42.54 | OnceMe | greycat: well I could for small parts |
| 19:43.02 | OnceMe | for example now, I get different nginx version |
| 19:43.19 | greycat | Did you forget to do apt-get update first, or are you using different sources? |
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| 19:46.22 | wanawhut | hello - I've a KVM that I can ssh into with macintosh and archlinux, however with debian it simply times out |
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| 19:46.58 | dontknow | debian mozilla team doesn't support latest firefox for jessie anymore? |
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| 19:48.00 | JordiGH | dontknow: Yeah, apparently not. |
| 19:48.03 | OnceMe | greycat: forgot to run script :D |
| 19:48.16 | OnceMe | anyway, I have nginx 1.10.3 which is latest, released in january |
| 19:48.23 | OnceMe | however its from dotdeb, along with php7.0 and other stuff |
| 19:48.25 | JordiGH | dontknow: But y'know, with how fast Firefox changes, I think I'm happy with ESR anyway. |
| 19:48.25 | greycat | ,v nginx |
| 19:48.26 | OnceMe | is dotdeb safe? |
| 19:48.26 | judd | Package: nginx on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy4; wheezy-security: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy4; wheezy-backports: 1.6.2-5+deb8u2~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.6.2-5+deb8u4; jessie-security: 1.6.2-5+deb8u4; sid: 1.10.1-1; jessie-backports: 1.10.3-1~bpo8+1; sid: 1.10.3-1; stretch: 1.10.3-1; experimental: 1.11.2-1~exp1; experimental: 1.11.10-1~exp1 |
| 19:48.33 | JordiGH | !dotdeb |
| 19:48.33 | dpkg | http://dotdeb.org/ is an unofficial package repository with emphasis on the <LAMP> solution stack, unsupported in #debian. To get support, read http://www.dotdeb.org/2012/08/24/how-to-post-useful-bug-reports/ and report any issues to https://github.com/gplessis/dotdeb-php5/issues . Ask me about <dotdeb alternatives>. |
| 19:48.40 | greycat | You are apparently using jessie-backports, or stretch, or something non-Debian. |
| 19:48.45 | JordiGH | !dotdeb alternatives |
| 19:48.45 | dpkg | Software from <dotdeb> historically had a number of packaging or functional issues. If you require newer versions than what <stable> offers, a lot of the packages now have updates in backports.debian.org, ask me about <bdo>. To remove Dotdeb packages: "aptitude purge '~Vdotdeb'". |
| 19:49.00 | lunario | hi. i am looking for a way to make my linux (debian) more comfy for focused writing, so I need nothing more than an office suit basically. i know i could theoretically just use that and ignore the rest but it#s about having a creativity-enhancing desktop environment that is not bloated or distracting. what's the best way to achieve that (in debian, or perhaps another distro if there is a good alternative f |
| 19:49.06 | lunario | or that?)? |
| 19:49.26 | OnceMe | greycat: so basically I can use backports.debian.org repo instead of dotdeb to get php7 nginx latets versions? |
| 19:49.27 | OnceMe | latest* |
| 19:49.38 | greycat | lunario: Try using a simple window manager instead of a desktop environment. |
| 19:49.55 | greycat | OnceMe: You are NOT USING STABLE. That's for god damned sure. |
| 19:50.06 | greycat | I don't know what the fuck you are using. Probably a frankendebian. |
| 19:50.38 | OnceMe | greycat: ok |
| 19:50.41 | OnceMe | so should I add backports.debian.org repo? |
| 19:50.54 | greycat | Dear gods you don't ALREADY have it?! |
| 19:51.00 | greycat | Where the fuck did you get these things... |
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| 19:51.03 | topyli | greycat: yes, what greycat says. use a window manager like openbox or fvwm and make your writing app start automatically on login |
| 19:51.21 | topyli | greycat: sorry, that was for lunario |
| 19:51.50 | OnceMe | greycat: but backports doesnt have php7 |
| 19:52.02 | lunario | alright, thanks greycat and topyli, i will look into openbox and fvwm (actually used openbox and awesome a while ago) |
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| 19:52.35 | greycat | OnceMe: OK, forget EVERYTHING I said earlier about maintaining a stable system by keeping up to date on security patches. That advice was given in the NAIVE expectation that you had NOT ALREADY BROKEN DEBIAN. |
| 19:52.40 | greycat | !dontbreakdebian |
| 19:52.41 | dpkg | well, dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 19:53.00 | topyli | lunario: in that case, you should probably use openbox again, instead of learning another window manager for no reason :) |
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| 19:53.11 | OnceMe | greycat: I've reinstalled debian |
| 19:53.15 | OnceMe | with no dotdeb |
| 19:53.20 | OnceMe | now how do I install php7? |
| 19:53.34 | greycat | Why the fucking hell WOULD you do that?! |
| 19:53.44 | greycat | does NOT understand |
| 19:54.31 | OnceMe | php7 is 50% faster than 5.6? |
| 19:54.35 | topyli | greycat: do we really need that language? |
| 19:54.36 | OnceMe | I dont want to use obsolete stuff |
| 19:54.55 | greycat | No, we really do not need that language. PHP is a horrible language. You are completely correct. |
| 19:55.02 | greycat | OnceMe: *plonk* |
| 19:55.18 | topyli | ok |
| 19:55.22 | Markow | likes Node.js w/ MongoDB better! |
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| 19:55.44 | greycat | https://eev.ee/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/ |
| 19:55.57 | OnceMe | not here to argue with that |
| 19:56.19 | Markow | PHP is just about "stitched" together |
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| 19:59.48 | JordiGH | Huh, what was that meltdown about? |
| 19:59.56 | JordiGH | Someone wants to install PHP 7 so we yell at them to not do that? |
| 20:00.04 | JordiGH | Because we hate PHP? |
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| 20:01.24 | wanawhut | can someone please tell me why this ssh connection times out on debian but not other distros? http://sprunge.us/UeMJ |
| 20:01.41 | JordiGH | OnceMe: It's going to be pretty difficult to get PHP 7 in Debian stable. Probably impossible. If you really need, you'll probably have to Debian unstable. |
| 20:02.04 | greycat | You mean stretch. Not unstable. |
| 20:02.55 | greycat | But yes, if he NEEDS to run PHP 7.x because the stable version is bleeding fast enough to fill up his chalices of blood, then stretch is the next step. |
| 20:03.01 | greycat | isn't* |
| 20:03.04 | JPT | wanawhut: Are you sure it is related to the OS? A timeout usually indicates a firewall eating your packets |
| 20:03.09 | OnceMe | I would like to use stretch, but linode doesnt offer it |
| 20:03.29 | wanawhut | JPT: on the same lan, archlinux and macintosh has no trouble with connecting to this address |
| 20:03.53 | wanawhut | but I have a proxmox box, a turnkey-lamp kvm, and a debian jessie box - and each of them time out |
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| 20:04.23 | greycat | I won't ask why he needs a bleeding edge bullshit failure language on his "stable" server. I'm well past that point. That's why I /ignored him. |
| 20:04.23 | wanawhut | its just this one address though |
| 20:05.07 | JPT | wanawhut: You may want to check your ip address configuration on both machines, client and server. Are they in the same subnet? If not, is routing working between those subnets? What do your routes look like on both machines? |
| 20:06.21 | OnceMe | greycat: why do you hate me? |
| 20:06.58 | wanawhut | JPT: yes, same subnet, each machine is assigned an IP via dhcp on the router (lets exclude the proxmox host for simplicity sake for now) |
| 20:07.00 | OnceMe | you can just tell me that you don't like dotdeb, and ok I get it |
| 20:07.08 | JPT | wanahut: Also run iptables -S on the ssh server machine and check if for some reason the client ip is firewalled. fail2ban can do things like that if present |
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| 20:07.33 | dTal | drama in #debian |
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| 20:07.53 | JPT | wanawhut: Is that proxmox host related to the problem? If so, why? |
| 20:11.29 | wanawhut | JPT: I'll have to check that too I guess - the proxmox box is hosting the debian kvm that is timing out, so I wonder if it could block all debian-specific clients somehow |
| 20:11.51 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: PHP7 has been out since November 2015. It's listed as a requirement for WordPress, although WP runs fine on 5.3.3. |
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| 20:12.13 | JPT | wanawhut: I don't know how proxmox sets up the networking of the client boxes. Perhaps you need to manually take care of routing or something else. |
| 20:12.22 | jhutchins_wk | It is a nightmare to deal with in the RH world. |
| 20:12.26 | greycat | So Wordpress is telling lies also. Nice. |
| 20:12.48 | JPT | wanawhut: If your client box in question is able to ssh into the proxmox host, it is probably the rest of the path to the vm that does not work. |
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| 20:14.00 | wanawhut | yeah - i can connect any box/kvm/lxc to any other ssh server on the subnet (proxmox hosted or not) - it's just this one debian kvm that is timing out when other debian machines connect to it |
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| 20:14.42 | wanawhut | so I'll investigate the config in more detail - thanks for the suggestions |
| 20:14.48 | JPT | Sure thing :) |
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| 20:25.56 | wanawhut | JPT: I figured it out - it was a conflict with the ecdsa keys - a stupid oversight on my part (I made the debian kvm a while ago and forgot it was made as a clone of a previous kvm - it had retained the old ecdsa keys |
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| 20:26.23 | wanawhut | simple fix, ssh-keygen and service restart - they can connect again :) |
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| 20:28.13 | dev987 | Very simple networking question if anyone can take a look: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/42727107/simple-network-issue-cant-tcp-connect-to-server-via-static-ip |
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| 20:30.14 | JPT | wanawhut: Wait what? Why would that cause a timeout? :o |
| 20:31.19 | JPT | An already known host key on a new ip address would not be an issue as far as i know |
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| 20:31.48 | wanawhut | JPT: i'm not sure o.o never had the problem before - it does appear to have resolved the problem though |
| 20:32.23 | JPT | Weird ... i would have imagined conflicting ip address configurations or even conflicting mac addresses to cause issues. |
| 20:32.44 | JPT | I mean - if there is something seriously wrong with your keys, you get very clear error messages |
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| 20:34.23 | thoreau | Hi. |
| 20:34.48 | thoreau | I'm trying to install a automation program, and went for "Actiona". |
| 20:35.03 | thoreau | The application fails to launch. |
| 20:35.32 | thoreau | This is what I get when trying to initialize it in the terminal: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/25472cdd/ The GUI initializes, but freezes while loading "Creating action dialog Pixel color". |
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| 20:37.10 | JPT | thoreau: Not sure how to deal with such gtk errors, but perhaps Actiona requires a different version of gtk (or other gtk- packages that are not present)? How did you install the software? |
| 20:38.11 | thoreau | I'm using Debian Stretch, so I picked it up from Stretch's repository with $ sudo apt install actiona |
| 20:38.40 | JPT | Is stretch already stable? :o |
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| 20:39.18 | JPT | thoreau: I assume stretch is still testing or unstable. |
| 20:39.45 | greycat | No, stretch is still testing. |
| 20:39.46 | thoreau | :/ |
| 20:39.47 | JPT | In that case, please ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net . They will surely appreciate your feedback and might even be able to help you out |
| 20:40.01 | thoreau | Thank you! |
| 20:40.03 | JPT | [Never been there myself, but the topic states that :)] |
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| 20:40.13 | JPT | Good luck on your journey :) |
| 20:40.25 | greycat | It's slightly less active than this channel, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Less chaos. |
| 20:41.07 | topyli | it's a good, helpful channel last i looked |
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| 20:48.56 | K|NgGh0sT | So I have a weird problem, fresh install and Gnome loads fine. But the Desktop is split in half acting as if the window is not centered |
| 20:48.59 | K|NgGh0sT | Hard to explain... |
| 20:49.00 | edeca | Is it possible to add a preseed file with debian-cd? |
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| 20:51.35 | mefistofeles | K|NgGh0sT: screenshot? |
| 20:51.43 | mefistofeles | opr photo |
| 20:51.47 | K|NgGh0sT | hmm, can't really do that |
| 20:51.49 | K|NgGh0sT | I can do that one |
| 20:51.50 | K|NgGh0sT | one sec |
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| 20:53.01 | jhutchins_wk | ,v grub2-efi |
| 20:53.02 | judd | No package named 'grub2-efi' was found in amd64. |
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| 20:53.20 | jhutchins_wk | ,v grub2-common |
| 20:53.21 | judd | Package: grub2-common on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.99-27+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 1.99-27+deb7u3; jessie: 2.02~beta2-22+deb8u1; jessie-security: 2.02~beta2-22+deb8u1; sid: 2.02~beta3-5; stretch: 2.02~beta3-5 |
| 20:53.57 | K|NgGh0sT | http://i.imgur.com/nngbNCQ.jpg |
| 20:54.02 | K|NgGh0sT | mefistofeles, http://i.imgur.com/nngbNCQ.jpg |
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| 20:55.40 | jhutchins_wk | If I interpret those version numbers correctly, the jessie/jessie-security version is newer than sid/stretch? |
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| 20:56.48 | jhutchins_wk | K|NgGh0sT: Do you know what graphics chipset you have, and what driver it's using? |
| 20:57.03 | jhutchins_wk | K|NgGh0sT: Which release? |
| 20:57.04 | TomTomTo1 | no, beta 3 is the current preview release of grub 2. |
| 20:57.19 | jhutchins_wk | Ah, 3 vs 2. |
| 20:57.40 | jhutchins_wk | Got a new HP laptop and grub isn't playing nice. |
| 20:58.48 | K|NgGh0sT | jhutchins_wk, Radeon 6850 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
| 20:58.49 | jhutchins_wk | It looks like update-grub is failing to parse some system parameters, which is causing grub-install to fail. There's a Debian entry in EFI, but it dumps to the grub prompt. Manual boot from there says "no suitible graphics mode found, booting blind", then nothing. |
| 21:00.11 | K|NgGh0sT | ah. nevermind purged gnome going to xfce |
| 21:00.14 | K|NgGh0sT | Works like a charm |
| 21:00.31 | jhutchins_wk | K|NgGh0sT: You might be able to fix it with xvidtune or maybe just xrandr. Your sync is incorrect. |
| 21:00.46 | K|NgGh0sT | xfce works fine, it's just gnome |
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| 21:01.45 | jhutchins_wk | In that case I'd pursue it with Gnome's video config tools. |
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| 21:02.22 | jhutchins_wk | (Actually, I would run XFCE and keep far away from Gnome.) |
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| 21:03.24 | nikitasius | +1 for xfce |
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| 21:08.31 | K|NgGh0sT | it's for a htpc so xfce makes more sense |
| 21:08.42 | K|NgGh0sT | now I gotta figure out my audio issues |
| 21:08.57 | jhutchins_wk | Fun. |
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| 21:17.37 | K|NgGh0sT | Sound works, it's just very very quiet |
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| 21:23.13 | emx | how do i make network bootscript to start all interfaces? |
| 21:23.43 | jhutchins_wk | !networking |
| 21:23.43 | dpkg | For basic networking, «man interfaces» and see http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration . For further information, see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/254 and http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05 . See also <interfaces>, <wifi>, <wireless connection managers>. |
| 21:24.00 | jhutchins_wk | emx: Set them as "auto" in the interfaces file. |
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| 21:24.30 | greycat | Why would you need a script for that? Mark them with "auto" in /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 21:24.56 | mandeep | is there a problem with flashplugin on jessie? i remember there being an oustanding bug for stretch |
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| 21:26.13 | emx | jhutchins_wk, k. read about it. but here comes the strange part: ethernet is managed by a service that i dont know yet and wlan0 (the interface that i want to be up) is managed by NetworkManager. |
| 21:26.36 | mandeep | or maybe it was on adobe's side |
| 21:26.58 | emx | that is: i would have to get rid of NetworkManager and configure wlan0 with the other service. but how to find out which service that is? |
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| 21:29.09 | mandeep | http://paste.debian.net/919199/ |
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| 21:46.15 | semitones | Is there a way to add users "alice" "bob" and "charlie" to the same group "family" all in one line, or is it usermod commands for each one? |
| 21:46.57 | SerajewelKS | semitones: do you consider a for loop to be one line? |
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| 21:47.11 | SerajewelKS | semitones: for u in alice bob charlie; do adduser $u family; done |
| 21:47.15 | semitones | yeah that could work. and it's about time I got used to writing those |
| 21:48.00 | semitones | is it adduser or usermod? |
| 21:48.23 | greycat | adduser username groupname # puts user inna group |
| 21:48.38 | greycat | As I said to you before, adduser is the friendly wrapper. |
| 21:48.48 | SerajewelKS | i think the low level command would be groupmod, but adduser takes care of some of the details for you |
| 21:49.21 | semitones | great, I didn't know that adduser did more than just add users |
| 21:49.26 | SerajewelKS | (a group has a list of members; a user does not have a list of groups) |
| 21:49.44 | greycat | "If called with two non-option arguments, adduser will add an existing user to an existing group." |
| 21:49.47 | Klaus_Dieter | I always use gpasswd -a user group |
| 21:50.37 | SerajewelKS | i remember back when there wasn't a wrapper, and groupmod only had a way to set a complete list of users. so the process was to enumerate the users in the group, append the user you wanted to add, then groupmod to set the new members. |
| 21:51.44 | nikitasius | wipe or shred for hdd?) |
| 21:52.04 | SerajewelKS | (and you had to walk uphill both ways, too) |
| 21:52.11 | greycat | I remember when you just edited /etc/group with vi. |
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| 21:52.28 | SerajewelKS | i think you could do that too |
| 21:52.41 | greycat | And then did a make in /var/yp if this was on the NIS master. |
| 21:52.42 | somiaj | and here my suggestion was ging to be use sed to append users to /etc/group |
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| 21:52.52 | SerajewelKS | sometimes i did because i could never remember the damn arguments to groupmod, and editing /etc/group was easier than reading the groupmod manpage |
| 21:54.20 | nikitasius | guess enught 'shred -n8 -v /dev/sda' |
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| 21:55.15 | Klaus_Dieter | if it is a rotating drive I would simply do fro /dev/zero |
| 21:55.23 | Klaus_Dieter | for most usecases |
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| 21:58.02 | danke | i have a two machines, a desktop and a server. both jessie. if i ssh into one i get the motd, the other one i get a single line with "Last Login". any idea where i can look? |
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| 22:01.14 | pansophical | danke: /etc/ssh/sshd_config ? |
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| 22:03.37 | pansophical | danke: /etc/motd ? |
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| 22:05.28 | danke | sshd has 2 lines different |
| 22:05.50 | danke | UsePAM no vs yes... huh. |
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| 22:08.28 | danke | does pam do the motd? |
| 22:08.46 | danke | i guess i must've disabled pam to not have password auth. |
| 22:10.55 | mandeep | what's the command to paste a bash command's output to paste.debian.net? |
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| 22:13.50 | Nekojimi | mandeep, pastebinit |
| 22:14.43 | mandeep | Nekojimi: there's not a command installed by default? |
| 22:14.57 | Nekojimi | I don't think so |
| 22:15.24 | mandeep | hmm i thought there was |
| 22:15.39 | mandeep | Nekojimi: doesnt pastebinit paste to the actual pastebin.com ? |
| 22:16.33 | nikitasius | `shred: /dev/sda: pass 1/8 (random)...193GiB/1.9TiB 10%` <3 |
| 22:16.53 | Nekojimi | mandeep, it pastes to debian pastezone by default |
| 22:17.27 | frostschutz | nikitasius, one pass is enough ... |
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| 22:18.36 | mandeep | Nekojimi: thanks |
| 22:20.49 | nikitasius | frostschutz: hmm.. im bit paranoid. they can still resore data with special hardware after 1-2 passes. |
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| 22:25.36 | frostschutz | nikitasius, only in area 51 using alien tech |
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| 22:28.24 | nikitasius | frostschutz: well.. i will keep it will morning and cancel it if it will not stop. |
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| 22:29.51 | teraflops | ,v thunderbird |
| 22:29.52 | judd | Package: thunderbird on amd64 -- sid: 1:45.8.0-1 |
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| 22:33.38 | nikitasius | .v libpam-mysql |
| 22:33.43 | nikitasius | ,v libpam-mysql |
| 22:33.44 | judd | Package: libpam-mysql on amd64 -- jessie: 0.7~RC1-4+b3; wheezy: 0.7~RC1-4+b3; stretch: 0.8.0-1; sid: 0.8.0-1 |
| 22:34.02 | nikitasius | cool :) since 2006 0.7 -.- 11 years stable! |
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| 23:48.34 | Girc | \o. Would someone be so kind as to lend some help with getting grc to work? |
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| 23:52.09 | somiaj | Girc: you may find more specific support best for something like that, any paticular question though? |
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| 23:52.24 | somiaj | I assume you have say installed grc and read the manpage/documentation related to it? |
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| 23:56.03 | user134 | Debian automatically generates ssh keys? And they are stored in /etc/ssh/? Would these rsa.pub and rsa.key work for vsftpd? |
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