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| 00:21.42 | rue_house | when I use the dpkg option to just unpack a deb, where does it put it? |
| 00:22.15 | b0urne | dunderproto: English is not that hard. |
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| 00:24.37 | dunderproto | b0urne: It's not for me but for a friend |
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| 00:25.36 | LiuYan | dunderproto: maybe install chinese language support after booted? or make a live cd image with chinese language support ? |
| 00:25.43 | dunderproto | I wanted to give her something easy-to-use to test out, and a bad impression can scare her away permanently |
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| 00:32.18 | dunderproto | LiuYan: OK, maybe I will do that. Thanks. |
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| 00:39.55 | rue_house | does anyone know how to fix chromium ffmpeg on stable? |
| 00:40.17 | rue_house | there are ubuntu packages everywhere, but cant see any debian packages to fix it |
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| 00:53.51 | rue_house | so, no sound for chromium via debian package |
| 00:53.52 | rue_house | ok |
| 00:55.12 | bazhang | ,v ffmpeg |
| 00:55.13 | judd | Package: ffmpeg on amd64 -- wheezy: 6:0.8.17-2; wheezy-security: 6:0.8.20-0+deb7u1; jessie-backports: 7:3.2.4-1~bpo8+1; sid: 7:3.2.4-1; stretch: 7:3.2.4-1; wheezy-multimedia: 8:1.0.10-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 10:2.6.9-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 10:3.2.4-dmo3 |
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| 00:55.29 | bazhang | why did you think ffmpeg was in a browser |
| 00:55.46 | rue_house | you dont know about chromium and the broken sound problems? |
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| 00:56.02 | rue_house | google debian chromium sound problem |
| 00:56.04 | rue_house | LOTS of hits |
| 00:56.34 | bazhang | ffmpeg is not the solution to sound issues |
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| 00:56.59 | rue_house | basically, debain wont let chromium have sound, casue they did it via a copy of the ffmpeg code, which is agianst rules |
| 00:57.06 | bazhang | perhaps you meant something with youtube/pulseaudio |
| 00:57.12 | rue_house | it looks like the developer isn't intrested in other methods |
| 00:57.24 | rue_house | so no sound with chromium |
| 00:57.36 | bazhang | thats not the issue |
| 00:57.52 | rue_house | of course not, who the hell needs sound on a web browser? |
| 00:57.53 | bazhang | are you aware what ffmpeg does |
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| 00:58.17 | rue_house | ffmpeg is an encoder/decoder library for just about everything |
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| 00:58.46 | rue_house | I needed to start the online training course 5 hours ago tho, so, this is not becomming my largest issue |
| 00:59.55 | bazhang | well looking for ffmpeg via browser sound is barking up the wrong tree |
| 01:00.25 | rue_house | ok, what are you saying is the issue, sound works fine for everything else on my machine |
| 01:00.41 | rue_house | chromeium cant play a peep |
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| 01:01.30 | rue_house | and if you google it, you find lots of ubuntu pacakges to fix it on ubuntu |
| 01:01.54 | rue_house | and its all with a ffmpeg library package |
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| 01:05.30 | rue_house | I think I'm gonna have to start using ubuntu, its less broken, arg |
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| 01:14.57 | plasmoduck | Debian isn't broken, you just have to use it properly. But feel free to use Ubuntu is you want to be spyed on by Canonical. |
| 01:15.20 | plasmoduck | Oh, he's gone. |
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| 01:16.22 | econdudeawesome | Hi all. I'm having trouble getting MOC to launch. I run in debug mode and it just hangs |
| 01:16.46 | econdudeawesome | I start it, but it crashes immediately. I'm still pretty newb to ncurses and all, wondering how I can go about digging into the issue? When I run the debug command it just hangs |
| 01:17.16 | plasmoduck | esainane: does it run as root? |
| 01:17.37 | esainane | Wrong nick, mate :) |
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| 01:19.24 | plasmoduck | sorry |
| 01:19.33 | plasmoduck | econdudeawesome: does itr run as root? |
| 01:22.50 | econdudeawesome | plasmoduck: yes |
| 01:22.55 | econdudeawesome | hadn't tried that before |
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| 01:25.01 | plasmoduck | Okay, so we are getting somewhere. |
| 01:25.13 | plasmoduck | Try again as normal user now. |
| 01:25.24 | econdudeawesome | any thoughts on how to get it working with non-root then? Looking at this, doesn't appear to be the same outcome: https://moc.daper.net/node/599. Running as normal user still crashes |
| 01:26.45 | plasmoduck | econdudeawesome: does it sound like this bug? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=331328 |
| 01:26.46 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/331328 in moc (closed): «moc: random crashes»; severity: normal; opened: 2005-10-03; last modified: 2007-06-17. |
| 01:28.33 | econdudeawesome | Weird. Where to take it from here? |
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| 01:31.52 | plasmoduck | econdudeawesome: you have to options. 1. Wait for the package to be updated and bug fixed. Or 2. Uninstall and download the latest source code and build it to see if that works. Good luck. |
| 01:34.24 | econdudeawesome | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=855125 Message #32 worked |
| 01:34.25 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/855125 in moc (forwarded): «moc: Segmentation fault»; severity: normal; opened: 2017-02-14; last modified: 2017-02-14. |
| 01:35.01 | econdudeawesome | testing now to see if it will play files. But it opened the MC-like interface |
| 01:35.37 | econdudeawesome | Music appears to work. Perhaps there is an encoding error with ID3 tags--but this works around the issue. Thanks! |
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| 02:16.57 | nem | Is sendmail fixed yet? |
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| 02:19.33 | themill | is sendmail fixable? |
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| 02:23.01 | A|an | Yesterday my Gnome Classic locked up and I'm stuck in a tty session... |
| 02:23.04 | A|an | http://paste.debian.net/919443 |
| 02:24.17 | A|an | I'm thinking about jumping ship to KDE's Plasma desktop... |
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| 02:24.47 | nem | KDE is awesome |
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| 02:25.42 | A|an | Thing is, I need this machine fully functional as soon as possible... |
| 02:26.22 | nem | apt-get install truth |
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| 02:27.20 | A|an | I don't want to dork up anything by trying to reinstall Gnome (whack my mail, for instance) |
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| 02:28.11 | A|an | (God, I'm having to peck this out on my 'droid tablet!) |
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| 02:29.06 | A|an | Any thoughts on a solution? I uploaded an xsession-errors file-portion |
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| 02:29.15 | A|an | http://paste.debian.net/919443 |
| 02:29.42 | A|an | nem: truth? |
| 02:29.58 | nem | Its sort of an inside long standing joke... |
| 02:30.05 | themill | A|an: the Xorg log is more likely to be informative |
| 02:30.09 | nem | Google: apt-get install truth |
| 02:31.20 | A|an | themill: okay |
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| 02:37.36 | A|an | themill: where's Xorg locatec? |
| 02:41.25 | th_ | xorg log is at /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 02:42.52 | A|an | It doesn't really provide any insight, that I can make out |
| 02:43.35 | th_ | or look in /var/lib/gdm3/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log |
| 02:44.13 | A|an | I found it under /var |
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| 02:45.19 | A|an | What a mess! Would simply reinstalling Gnome work? |
| 02:45.20 | th_ | the other location might have more logging |
| 02:45.40 | A|an | Ic |
| 02:45.48 | th_ | yea u can try that, or dpkg-reconfigure xorg* && dpkg-reconfigure xserver* |
| 02:46.45 | A|an | Gdm3 isn't there |
| 02:47.12 | th_ | what debian are you on? |
| 02:47.47 | A|an | Jessie 64bit |
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| 02:48.57 | A|an | when your gui freezes, is it typically the desktop or X? |
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| 02:53.10 | th_ | lol it could be X, graphics drivers, bad memory, bad hard drive, loose cables, who knows |
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| 02:54.20 | A|an | well, at least it's narrowed down |
| 02:55.12 | A|an | i'm running a mini-itx...everyrhing is on-board |
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| 02:55.35 | th_ | so gnome never loads, just straight console? |
| 02:55.43 | A|an | Yep |
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| 02:56.24 | A|an | And i can run startx, but it just opens a b |
| 02:56.42 | sir123 | On packages.debian.org, can I get a list of all the packages listed "important" or "critical"? I'm trying to figure out the core packages installed on a Debian system |
| 02:56.55 | A|an | an empty blue screen, with a mouse cursor present |
| 02:57.40 | th_ | reinstall gnome |
| 02:57.44 | A|an | I have to alt-sysrq-r to get outta it |
| 02:57.55 | A|an | Yeah |
| 02:58.07 | A|an | What the hell |
| 02:58.29 | A|an | Okay...are you using kde plasma? |
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| 02:58.57 | th_ | nah |
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| 03:00.05 | th_ | another thing that can cause it is installing outdated/unsupported video drivers, if you did that, just uninstall those |
| 03:01.43 | AlexLikeRock | GMD3 sometimes, drop screen with flat color |
| 03:01.49 | A|an | oh, that was nem....no,i haven't installed any vid drivers |
| 03:02.20 | AlexLikeRock | if you have GDM3 , change to other lightDM , slim , Xdm , etc |
| 03:03.30 | A|an | I was using gnome classic...which is probably my problem, right there |
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| 03:04.06 | A|an | i'll reinstall and see if that works |
| 03:04.18 | AlexLikeRock | very good A|an |
| 03:04.23 | AlexLikeRock | :-) |
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| 03:14.46 | A|an | Well...simple solution...had me damn well going, though |
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| 03:17.15 | AlexLikeRock | its reccomend isntall both DESKTOPs |
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| 03:19.13 | A|an | do you mean gnome AND KDE? |
| 03:19.30 | A|an | or gnome and a second desktop? |
| 03:19.38 | plasm0duck | Install mate desktop |
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| 03:19.53 | AlexLikeRock | yes A|an |
| 03:20.06 | AlexLikeRock | kde, gnome, mate , etc, etc |
| 03:20.16 | AlexLikeRock | what ever you "love" ;-) |
| 03:20.32 | A|an | for whatever reason, I thought doing so would clutter up things needlessly |
| 03:20.33 | AlexLikeRock | i like mate too, its so ligth |
| 03:21.02 | A|an | i noticed mate last night, when i was searching for another desktop |
| 03:21.25 | A|an | yes, a light-wt backup desktop |
| 03:21.36 | A|an | that would be a good idea |
| 03:22.29 | AlexLikeRock | yes, yhis a big difference of Window$ |
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| 03:22.40 | AlexLikeRock | if broke one, you can run the other ;-) |
| 03:23.12 | plasmoduck | This is how my mate desktop looks http://i.imgur.com/wRFrifB.png |
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| 03:23.53 | AlexLikeRock | A|an, https://wiki.debian.org/DesktopEnvironment |
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| 03:24.54 | A|an | what about Pantheon? any experience with it? |
| 03:24.56 | plasmoduck | It's a little like Apple MacOS |
| 03:25.09 | plasmoduck | It's alright... but nah |
| 03:25.22 | plasmoduck | I prefer just mate |
| 03:25.38 | A|an | remind me: is it okay to paste links? |
| 03:25.43 | plasmoduck | Pantheon is too young and buggy |
| 03:25.46 | plasmoduck | yes |
| 03:25.49 | A|an | https://www.linux.com/news/best-linux-desktop-environments-2016 |
| 03:25.57 | A|an | i was picking through that last night |
| 03:26.08 | A|an | mate was well thought of, in the write up |
| 03:26.30 | A|an | it's like he concludes, though, sooo many choices |
| 03:27.06 | A|an | yeah, mate looks good |
| 03:27.17 | A|an | think i'll install it |
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| 03:35.55 | plasmoduck | A|an: did you look at the link I posted of my desktop? |
| 03:36.05 | plasmoduck | That dock at the bottom is cairo-dock |
| 03:36.18 | A|an | no...just a sec |
| 03:36.26 | plasmoduck | http://i.imgur.com/wRFrifB.png |
| 03:37.03 | A|an | that's nice |
| 03:37.05 | A|an | definitely |
| 03:37.09 | A|an | uncluttered |
| 03:37.17 | plasmoduck | yup |
| 03:37.35 | A|an | yeah, i'm going to install mate |
| 03:37.53 | plasm0duck | nice choice |
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| 03:38.38 | A|an | well, this little escapade was a lesson...I was thinking that it would've nice to have a secondary desktop available |
| 03:39.12 | A|an | my gnome installation has been acting squirrely for a while, though |
| 03:39.24 | A|an | freezing |
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| 03:39.56 | A|an | been threatening to do something about it... and got caught |
| 03:40.01 | A|an | per ususal |
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| 03:42.19 | A|an | plasm0duck: is that the standard install...you didn't customize it? |
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| 03:48.04 | plasmoduck | A|an: I installed that icon dock you can see at the bottom called cairo-dock |
| 03:48.13 | plasmoduck | and I installed a different theme |
| 03:48.16 | plasmoduck | thats about it |
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| 03:48.31 | plasmoduck | icon and window theme |
| 03:49.54 | LinuxAdventure | Is it better to run a distro in Virtual Box or in dual boot setup? |
| 03:54.01 | AlexLikeRock | dual boot , for me LinuxAdventure |
| 03:54.18 | AlexLikeRock | some programs make SLOW virtual Box |
| 03:54.30 | LinuxAdventure | ok |
| 03:55.10 | LinuxAdventure | is Solus based on Debian? |
| 03:55.28 | AlexLikeRock | but, some times, just need to somting FASTER like "open a Document a MS office" |
| 03:55.44 | Digz | LinuxAdventure, it depends on what you expect to use mostly as your main OS..... if you run Windows and run Linux programs only on occasion, Virtualization may be the way to go. Personally, I am not a fan of dual booting, especially with ntfs and ext4 partitions on the same computer.... |
| 03:55.53 | AlexLikeRock | this case need a virtual box, and you avoid RESTART aLL sistem LinuxAdventure |
| 03:57.33 | LinuxAdventure | yes. I agree. I have heard that opening Linux system files on Windows can mess up the Linux OS. |
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| 03:57.49 | Digz | My setup is 2 computers, one Windows 10 workstation, and one ESXi server - both have 32 GB ram. The server runs 2 Debian servers, 1 appliance (which under the hood is also debian) and 1 Windows Server 2016. - I just use that. |
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| 03:59.32 | Digz | LinuxAdventure, it should be ok if you leave things alone.... and you let windows fix any ntfs problems, and let linux fix any ext4 problems.... its when you let one OS try to mess with the file system of the other OS you get in trouble. Although debian can work with NTFS pefectly fine in 99% of case, in the cases where the NTFS volume has problems, trying to fix it from linux may just make those problems bigger.... but that's personal experience. |
| 04:00.11 | Digz | That said Debian has been my fav distro since I first ran version 3.0 :) |
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| 04:01.49 | AlexLikeRock | Digz, mee too, well, i love debian, but i hate SystemD , thats why i change to DEVUAN |
| 04:01.51 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:03.56 | Digz | devuan? Hey. Had not seen that fork before..... Looks cool. Although I am wondering if the massive selection of linux distros really needs yaf. (yet another fork). |
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| 04:04.25 | AlexLikeRock | devuan , mean FREEDOM + Debian |
| 04:04.44 | AlexLikeRock | SystemD are Repression |
| 04:06.13 | Rusty1_ | !offtopic |
| 04:06.13 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 04:07.05 | plasmoduck | !idle |
| 04:07.05 | dpkg | Idle is a general term referring to a lack of motion or energy. For the Linux CPU subsystem, ask me about <cpuidle>. |
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| 04:07.19 | plasmoduck | the room is idle anyways |
| 04:07.32 | plasmoduck | When busy, please keep on topic. |
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| 04:10.08 | plasmoduck | Best way is to have 2 physical hard disks, install Linux on one and Windows on the other and add them to Grub. |
| 04:12.49 | LinuxAdventure | ok. |
| 04:13.36 | LinuxAdventure | what advantage does Debian have over some other distros like Fedora, Solus, Arch etc. |
| 04:13.45 | plasmoduck | Best performance and best security that way. |
| 04:13.57 | LinuxAdventure | they have different package management. |
| 04:14.02 | LinuxAdventure | isn't it? |
| 04:14.29 | LinuxAdventure | which is better .deb or rpm or aur? |
| 04:14.57 | plasmoduck | LinuxAdventure: Debian is very stable because all the software versions are a little older then you would find in other distros but it is tested very well and most bugs are ironed out. Also the package mangement is very good. |
| 04:15.28 | plasmoduck | There is no better, think of it like Coke & Pepsi or Coffee and Tea, user preference. |
| 04:15.30 | Digz | LinuxAdventure, they are all built around the same kernel and basic infrastructure, but yes among others debian uses a different package management than e.g. fedora or centos. It isn't that one is better than the other really, but Debian is one of the most stable releases out there. |
| 04:16.19 | LinuxAdventure | ok. shall I go for Debian or a Debian derivative like MX Linux or Sparky? |
| 04:16.21 | plasmoduck | !debian |
| 04:16.21 | dpkg | well, debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 04:16.26 | Digz | LinuxAdventure, if you are looking at a linux experience for the desktop, I like Linux Mint. It is based on Debian (well, based on Ubuntu, really) and is aimed to be a bit more friendly to beginning users. |
| 04:16.58 | LinuxAdventure | because those have been constructed really well. |
| 04:17.17 | LinuxAdventure | Have all the packages that a new user would need. |
| 04:18.04 | plasmoduck | If you use Ubuntu or any of it's derivitaves your search data is sent to Canonical servers which means they can spy on your search and browsing habits. They sell your metadata to Amazon which in turn displays ads based on your search history. |
| 04:18.47 | LinuxAdventure | ok. That is somewhat disturbing. |
| 04:19.01 | LinuxAdventure | But Mint is based on Ubuntu. Is it not? |
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| 04:19.20 | plasmoduck | Richard Stallman explains it here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CP8CNp-vksc |
| 04:19.33 | LinuxAdventure | and I have heard there were some security issues with Mint. |
| 04:19.37 | plasmoduck | Good video to watch ^ |
| 04:19.38 | LinuxAdventure | It was hacked. |
| 04:19.40 | Digz | the level of disturbancy depends on what you actually search for. ;) personally, it doesn't really bother me, but that is just me. |
| 04:19.59 | AlexLikeRock | yes, ubuntu have virus SPY |
| 04:20.08 | LinuxAdventure | Is Mint secure? |
| 04:20.14 | plasm0duck | No |
| 04:20.34 | plasm0duck | Go with Debian, ity's more pure and just build your system from the ground up. |
| 04:20.37 | LinuxAdventure | could anybody elaborate on why Mint is not secure? |
| 04:20.54 | plasmoduck | But watch this video, it doesn't go for long but you will be surprised! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CP8CNp-vksc |
| 04:21.09 | LinuxAdventure | How is Sparky linux? or MX Linux? |
| 04:21.19 | somiaj | LinuxAdventure: this really isn't a channel to talk about mint or other debian derivatives. As for mint's security, you should ask mint support about their security support and auditing |
| 04:21.40 | AlexLikeRock | yes , that i talk about ... FREEDOM |
| 04:21.44 | somiaj | we should try to stick to debian support here. ##linux may be a preferable place to discuss differences among distros. |
| 04:21.55 | AlexLikeRock | non-free pakages |
| 04:22.08 | AlexLikeRock | SYSTEMD are NON FREE |
| 04:22.34 | LinuxAdventure | yes. But, they will always say that Mint is secure and stable. As a newbie who doesn't have any technical knowledge about Linux I can't be sure about many such things. |
| 04:23.07 | somiaj | LinuxAdventure: and why would you be more secure in debian people sayind debian is secure. |
| 04:23.33 | somiaj | AlexLikeRock: please keep on topic, this isn't the place to rant about systemd. |
| 04:23.45 | AlexLikeRock | not so much somiaj , SYSTEMD its not secure |
| 04:24.38 | somiaj | AlexLikeRock: enough. If you know of a security issue that is not already in the debian security tracker report it. But this is not the place for that. |
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| 04:25.12 | AlexLikeRock | repression >:-( |
| 04:25.17 | AlexLikeRock | fine somiaj |
| 04:25.48 | somiaj | LinuxAdventure: Each distro has their own policy of how they handel things, software they use, and so forth. That is the big thing you get when choosing a distro. Debian tries open and has a very clear policy on what software gets put into debian main and how packages and security are managed. You can find various info for this starting at debian.org |
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| 04:26.47 | AlexLikeRock | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHGTs1NSB1s |
| 04:26.52 | AlexLikeRock | ON-TOPIC |
| 04:26.57 | somiaj | AlexLikeRock: it is just noise and does nothing in helping support users with Debian. You of course can choose to either use debian or not, or use debian without systemd as the init system. |
| 04:27.38 | AlexLikeRock | somiaj, , yes , ok , fine |
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| 04:37.58 | LinuxAdventure | But, I face some problem in using Debian Jessie live usb. |
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| 04:38.33 | LinuxAdventure | Please do something to make Debian live usb workable on modern laptops. |
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| 04:41.18 | AlexLikeRock | its alot job with GRUB Vs UEFI , LinuxAdventure |
| 04:41.52 | AlexLikeRock | its sooo hard , then LILO drop the tale |
| 04:42.18 | LinuxAdventure | ok. Does it mean, Debian stable is not compatible with modern computers? |
| 04:42.21 | AlexLikeRock | towel *** |
| 04:42.49 | AlexLikeRock | the big problem are SECURE BOOT and UEFI |
| 04:42.55 | LinuxAdventure | I liked Debian a lot, but despite trying everything I could not make Debian Stable live usb work on my new laptop. |
| 04:42.56 | plasmoduck | Not at all |
| 04:43.23 | plasmoduck | LinuxAdventure: Debian Linux USB works fine on all my systems. |
| 04:43.42 | Epakai | !does not work |
| 04:43.43 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
| 04:43.50 | LinuxAdventure | It didn't get detected during boot up. |
| 04:44.13 | plasmoduck | LinuxAdventure: You probably didn't write the image to usb correctly. How did you do it? |
| 04:44.27 | plasmoduck | Did you write it to the drive and not the patition? |
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| 04:44.35 | LinuxAdventure | I tried every method of creating a live usb. |
| 04:44.45 | plasmoduck | e.g /dev/sdc and not /dev/sdc1 |
| 04:44.50 | LinuxAdventure | It just doesn't get detected during boot up |
| 04:45.09 | plasmoduck | Care to try again? I can walk you thought the steps if you like? |
| 04:45.27 | LinuxAdventure | with the same methods, I created live usb of other distros. And they work fine. |
| 04:45.49 | LinuxAdventure | I have tried many distros on live usbs. |
| 04:45.57 | plasmoduck | Could be a corrupt image, did you verify the md5 checksum? |
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| 04:46.27 | LinuxAdventure | strangely it is only Debian Stable or stable based distros like MX Linux that have this problem |
| 04:46.47 | LinuxAdventure | Debian testing based distros like Sparky linux don't have this problem |
| 04:47.11 | LinuxAdventure | I verify the integrity of files everytime. |
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| 04:47.50 | LinuxAdventure | https://www.debian.org/CD/live/ |
| 04:47.58 | LinuxAdventure | I downloaded from this link. |
| 04:49.06 | LinuxAdventure | and Debian live usb of 32 bit edition didn't have this problem on my old 32 bit laptop. |
| 04:49.21 | Epakai | what tool did you use to write the image? |
| 04:49.25 | plasmoduck | Maybe it's time for a new laptop. |
| 04:49.32 | LinuxAdventure | I did explain this issue before on this channel |
| 04:49.35 | plasmoduck | Could be the hardware |
| 04:50.30 | LinuxAdventure | yes. I have a brand new laptop on which I tried to boot the live usb of 64 bit version of Debian Jessie. It didn't get detected. |
| 04:50.52 | plasmoduck | LinuxAdventure: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/bt-hybrid/debian-live-8.7.1-amd64-mate-desktop.iso.torrent |
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| 04:51.08 | plasmoduck | try again, using dd to write the image |
| 04:51.33 | userro | how often does the iso file get updated? |
| 04:51.38 | userro | approximately |
| 04:52.02 | LinuxAdventure | I did try dd also. |
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| 04:52.10 | plasmoduck | Aprox very 2 months? |
| 04:52.26 | plasmoduck | LinuxAdventure: try again, ill get it working with you. |
| 04:52.36 | userro | oh ok thanks |
| 04:52.37 | LinuxAdventure | As I said there is nothing wrong with the method of creating the live usb or the pendrive and laptop I am using now. |
| 04:53.06 | LinuxAdventure | ok. let me download the image first. |
| 04:53.10 | plasmoduck | LinuxAdventure: Obviously there is, because it works for the other 90% of the popuilation. |
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| 04:53.32 | somiaj | LinuxAdventure: Debian's live cds are fairly basic, you will get a far better experience with an actual debian install. |
| 04:53.45 | plasmoduck | So you are clearly doing something wrong. |
| 04:54.14 | somiaj | one is they only support legacy boot, so if you have efi boot configured and legacy disabled they won't boot. Second is they do have an older kernel. Bleeding edge hardware will have trouble with the 3.16 kernel. |
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| 04:54.29 | LinuxAdventure | somiaj, ok. So, should I go for installer images instead of live images? |
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| 04:54.47 | LinuxAdventure | I'll try that too. |
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| 04:55.18 | somiaj | the install images will support efi boot, if it is due to the age of the kernel, the installer images still use 3.16 |
| 04:55.46 | LinuxAdventure | Ok. I got it. |
| 04:55.47 | somiaj | stretch is now frozen and is on the way to be the next release, newer laptops may benifit from the stretch installer, though there won't be security support for stretch until the release. |
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| 04:56.16 | LinuxAdventure | when is Stretch going to be released? |
| 04:56.27 | somiaj | my guess is this summer |
| 04:56.38 | somiaj | so 3-6 months or so |
| 04:56.54 | LinuxAdventure | yes. exactly. It could be due to that older kernel. |
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| 04:57.42 | LinuxAdventure | Because, it is only Debian Stable or some Stable based distro like MX Linux that I am experiencing this problem with. |
| 04:58.19 | somiaj | most the time one can still install on the 3.16 kernel, it is just gpu, wifi or some preferial that needs a newer kernel. Jessie has newer kernels in jessie-backports, so in this light an install is better than a live system as you can change the kernel to get the gpu or other parts to work. |
| 04:58.23 | LinuxAdventure | Sparky linux, which is a testing based distro doesn't have this issue. |
| 04:58.46 | somiaj | so if the 3.16 kernel works enough to install, you can run a newer kernel with jessie for the newer hardware suuport. |
| 04:58.52 | LinuxAdventure | Ok. I'll wait till the next stable release. |
| 04:59.33 | somiaj | you can test it now, it is frozen, so it is actually quite close to what the release will be, there are just some rc bugs that need to be dealt with. |
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| 04:59.47 | LinuxAdventure | ok. |
| 04:59.50 | somiaj | there is even an installer out there you can use with the 4.9 kernel on it which will be released with stretch |
| 05:00.03 | LinuxAdventure | ok |
| 05:00.09 | somiaj | the biggest disavantage to stretch (provided you don't hit one of the rc bugs) is security support isn't as timely as stable. |
| 05:00.27 | LinuxAdventure | I'll download it and test it. |
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| 05:01.47 | userro | I just tried to boot live cd but it didn't work. I also have old kernel. |
| 05:02.00 | LinuxAdventure | thanks guys. Will come back later. |
| 05:03.52 | somiaj | userro: how did you create the live cd/usb medium you are booting off of, did you configure your system for legacy boot? |
| 05:04.30 | userro | I just downloaded the iso file and used qemu |
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| 05:05.42 | userro | when I click something, it will freeze |
| 05:06.15 | userro | when it shows the options to boot at first |
| 05:06.34 | userro | cursor will disappear |
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| 05:07.52 | userro | yesterday I tried amd64 version and today I tried i386 version |
| 05:07.56 | userro | both failed |
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| 05:12.51 | somiaj | userro: got it to work here, I had to specify the ramsize otherwise it gavem me kernel panics |
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| 05:33.03 | veek | how do i run two X servers using systemd.. i've setup the service and they start but it's one or the other not both.. |
| 05:33.11 | veek | i'm using: /bin/su - root -c /usr/bin/xinit /root/.xinitrc -- /usr/bin/X :1 VT2 -nolisten tcp |
| 05:33.38 | veek | and /bin/su - mummy -c '/usr/bin/xinit /home/mummy/.xinitrc -- /usr/bin/X :0 -nolisten tcp' |
| 05:35.27 | veek | i get Server is already active for display 0 |
| 05:37.25 | somiaj | veek: could it be the default display manager is already running a server on display 0? |
| 05:37.43 | somiaj | I also woudln't suggest running an xserver as root |
| 05:37.54 | veek | somiaj, ah nope.. i have no display manager - custom install |
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| 05:38.53 | veek | somiaj, should be safe with nolisten ? |
| 05:39.05 | veek | i su - veek browser etc |
| 05:39.18 | somiaj | are you positive your syntax is correct? I don't know the syntax for running X directly, I usually use startx as a wraper |
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| 05:39.40 | veek | well one of them starts.. |
| 05:39.51 | somiaj | but if you say only run one of those, does it run a server on display 0 each time, in this case it is just the syntax specifiying the display isn't correct |
| 05:41.16 | veek | hmm let me check.. i'll change it to 1 and 2 |
| 05:41.55 | veek | export DISPLAY=:0; xclock works so i know 0 is working but that could be default |
| 05:43.01 | somiaj | yea if it is running on 0 no matter what you set, something is not parsing in the syntax |
| 05:43.06 | somiaj | I can't say what though |
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| 05:46.32 | veek | yay working great |
| 05:47.11 | veek | :2 vt2 and :1 vt1 |
| 05:47.37 | veek | thanks somiaj |
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| 05:51.43 | nomade | Am I missing something? The LiveCD has sshd running, no fail2ban, a standard user pw and sudo rights? |
| 05:52.14 | nomade | how irresponsible is that exactly? |
| 05:54.10 | somiaj | which livecd? I didn't think sshd was running by default. |
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| 05:55.17 | nomade | stable I guess |
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| 05:56.22 | nomade | it used to be that the openssh apt package would autostart sshd too |
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| 05:57.14 | somiaj | well sshd will be autostarted when the server is installed. I can confirm the sshd server is running on the live image. I agree that this maybe isn't needed for a live image. |
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| 05:58.00 | somiaj | wonder what psudeo package you could report a bug to the live team for this, maybe they can disable the ssh server or just not install the openssh-server package on the live images. |
| 05:58.30 | nomade | needed? how could opening all ports and inviting attackers to rape my shit be possibly needed |
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| 05:58.56 | nomade | thats not even the question |
| 05:59.56 | nomade | yeah, im wondering how to report that |
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| 06:00.47 | somiaj | as I said you can report a bug. I agreed that the live system probably shouldn't be running sshd. Not sure the best package. You could report it against the debian-live psudopackage, that will at least get to the debian live team. |
| 06:01.18 | somiaj | debian-live â General problems with Debian Live systems -- yea that appears to be the correct package to report a bug against. |
| 06:01.34 | nomade | ok thank you |
| 06:02.33 | somiaj | It appears the live systems are installing task-ssh-server which is why the package is there. |
| 06:03.43 | somiaj | hmm it appears that PasswordAuthentication no is set in /etc/ssh/sshd_config so it may not be an issue. |
| 06:04.20 | nomade | thats a relieve |
| 06:04.22 | somiaj | just tested, users won't be able to ssh in without a key |
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| 06:04.34 | somiaj | and you will have to generate keys for this, I doubt there is any default keys already built |
| 06:05.05 | somiaj | I'm not seeing any keys on the live system, so in effect the server is running but cannot be logged into. |
| 06:05.10 | somiaj | unless you add a key for a user |
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| 06:06.43 | nomade | ok, pls excuse my language and thank you |
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| 06:07.40 | nomade | it used to be though that wasnt the case in the previous non-live release |
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| 06:08.34 | nomade | seeing random login attempts was a pretty big surprise then |
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| 06:09.18 | somiaj | yea I'm surprised it is running, but it looks like they have taken percautions to keep it secure |
| 06:09.36 | somiaj | might make using persistance with a self made key easier. |
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| 06:11.47 | nomade | I wonder how, but I don't need it anyway. was just testing why the sound in my hdd install is broken |
| 06:11.50 | nomade | its not the card |
| 06:13.24 | nomade | i suspect vlc messed something up, because it started to always hang up trying to play the second file in queue |
| 06:13.25 | somiaj | so works fine in the live image? Are you running a different kernel? |
| 06:13.36 | nomade | yes, testing |
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| 06:14.09 | somiaj | have you checked the card is detected the same by looking at the output of dmesg? |
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| 06:15.59 | nomade | no, i got as far as looking at pulseaudios sinks and sources to pipe the audio into a file and reverse proxy over usb to my android :D |
| 06:16.30 | nomade | but the sound file was all quiet too |
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| 07:06.39 | bibble | ok to install gcc 5.1 this way ? http://unix.stackexchange.com/a/290021 |
| 07:06.53 | bibble | testing repo |
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| 07:09.20 | userro | nope |
| 07:09.32 | userro | it won't work anymore |
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| 07:10.24 | userro | do you want exactly 5.1 version? |
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| 07:10.48 | bibble | userro: oh ;_; need 5.1+ to compile an app |
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| 07:10.59 | bibble | for c++11 support |
| 07:11.45 | userro | ok |
| 07:12.30 | bibble | userro: https://github.com/fireice-uk/xmr-stak-cpu |
| 07:12.42 | userro | I think you need to use 'stretch' instead of 'testing' then |
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| 07:13.04 | bibble | will try. thanks. |
| 07:14.09 | userro | just replace testing with stretch |
| 07:14.48 | userro | wait |
| 07:15.08 | userro | I tried it and broke my system |
| 07:15.12 | userro | lol |
| 07:15.26 | userro | I just remembered |
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| 07:16.34 | userro | so be careful |
| 07:17.22 | bibble | ah, ok :) |
| 07:17.26 | userro | it's better to fully upgrade to stretch |
| 07:17.52 | userro | instead of single package |
| 07:18.39 | userro | you can probably avoid dependency error that way |
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| 07:21.29 | bibble | looks for debian testing xfce desktop iso |
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| 07:33.38 | cef | Any suggestions for getting intel HD 630 graphics running with actual accelerated 3D? I've tried instlaling the latest xorg intel drivers from backports, plus the intel-microcode pkg.. 3D still seems horribly slow. |
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| 07:37.32 | TimurTheLame | cef, um. Maybe try setting the intel driver to DRI3 if it's not already enabled? https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=intel-skylake-dri3&num=1 |
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| 07:39.10 | TimurTheLame | cef, first check if it's not already enabled with "cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep DRI" |
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| 07:43.37 | rdococ | One of my documents has become, as the file type says, "differences between files", and the icon has a bandage on it...? |
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| 07:48.32 | rdococ | nvm |
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| 07:49.27 | cef | TimurTheLame: ta.. I'll have a poke.. but looks like it's not even loading a driver. `inxi -G` is showing only Gallium is being used for GLX |
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| 07:52.25 | cef | TimurTheLame: specifically: GLX: Initialized DRISWRAST GL provider for screen 0 <-- SW GL |
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| 08:01.16 | m00n | hello |
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| 08:01.42 | m00n | I'm having some trouble with a new debian install ive been setting up. With nvidia drivers, of course. |
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| 08:03.22 | m00n | Graphics work fine with nouveau but I have an SLI and I'd like to get the power out of it that it can put out |
| 08:03.58 | wam | How would you open a service (TCP) like an intranet only to authenticated computers? SSH tunnel, OpenVPN, Firewall are obvious, but is there sth simple yet compatible w/ windows, android, apple and linux which I'm overseeing? |
| 08:04.11 | m00n | When I go to install the jessie-backports nvidia-driver package, everything seems to work, but on reboot x doesnt start properly |
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| 08:04.43 | m00n | wam, ssh is compatible with those, depending on what you need |
| 08:05.09 | wam | m00n: of course, but tunnelling via SSH is a pain for management ppl in windows. |
| 08:05.20 | m00n | yeahh i feel |
| 08:05.44 | m00n | i mean, putty does it alright though, with pageant and the profile setup |
| 08:05.53 | wam | but you know⦠;) |
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| 08:06.21 | wam | I was thinking about NTLM in apache, but our networks are not connected. |
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| 08:07.32 | m00n | wam could you dedicate a machine on each network to create a vlan or something? |
| 08:08.11 | wam | m00n: Ah, good idea, however, it's not that simple. They want to connect on the road too while their company network is down. This is more or less a backup system in case of fire. |
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| 08:09.03 | wam | I was hoping for an app that exists on all operating systems which makes ssh tunnelling in one click available or a *very* simple VPN solution, however, I don't need a VPN. I just need an authorization gateway more or less. |
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| 08:16.12 | sysadmin | Hello... Debian is frustrating me. I set up my two NICS in /etc/network/interfaces but WICD takes ofer the config |
| 08:16.30 | sysadmin | how do I obliterate this damn WICD from the system? |
| 08:17.29 | bazhang | sysadmin, did you remove network manager |
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| 08:18.39 | bibble | where's the checksum to verify netinstall iso ? |
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| 08:18.49 | bibble | for testing |
| 08:19.35 | sysadmin | bazhang: apt-get remove network-manager says that's all already uninstalled :( |
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| 08:20.36 | bazhang | sysadmin, if memory serves, installing wicd does that |
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| 08:20.38 | themill | bibble: in the same directory as the iso image |
| 08:20.48 | sysadmin | oh |
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| 08:21.02 | themill | !verify iso image |
| 08:21.02 | dpkg | On a Debian box, you can check the installer images are legitimate using the signature file that comes with them. When downloading the ISO, also get the SHA256SUMS and SHA256SUMS.sign files in the same directory, then: "apt-get install -t sid debian-keyring; sha256sum -c SHA256SUMS; gpg --keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-role-keys.gpg --verify SHA256SUMS.sign". See also <check iso image>. |
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| 08:24.26 | bibble | thanks themill . trying to find now, as clicked amd64 on debian.org and downloaded instantly, no checksum files |
| 08:24.42 | themill | look at the URL, same directory |
| 08:25.37 | bibble | themill: u r a q t ! |
| 08:25.50 | bibble | <3 |
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| 08:27.37 | sysadmin | ok I'm gonna kill myself |
| 08:28.29 | TimurTheLame | throws a revolver at sysadmin |
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| 08:28.37 | bibble | :D |
| 08:28.48 | themill | sysadmin: if you don't want wicd, don't install it |
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| 08:29.24 | TimurTheLame | It has 5 bullets in the chamber and just in case you get lucky and trigger the unloaded one, that means that fate has decreed that you should live |
| 08:30.14 | bibble | for now |
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| 08:42.06 | dionysus69 | how do I set global dns in gnome? not per adapter |
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| 08:43.48 | rook2pawn | i can't find libvirt-bin. I'm using apt-get install libvirt-bin and im on sid |
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| 08:46.03 | msn | rook2pawn: its renamed in sid |
| 08:46.12 | msn | rook2pawn: what are you trying to install? |
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| 08:48.09 | nikitasius | folks, what do you prefer: clusterssh or mssh ? |
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| 08:57.54 | rook2pawn | msn: https://wiki.debian.org/KVM#Installation |
| 08:58.11 | rook2pawn | trying to install qumu-kvm and libvirt-bin |
| 08:58.47 | rook2pawn | qemu-kvm is installed, but libvirt-bin is not to be found in either stretch or sid |
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| 09:00.27 | msn | rook2pawn: apt-get install libvirtd |
| 09:00.35 | msn | that should do it |
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| 09:00.47 | msn | stretch/sid have renamed it the wiki always follows "stable" |
| 09:01.30 | msn | try libvirt-daemon-system |
| 09:02.40 | rook2pawn | so the debian wiki isn't for sid systems |
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| 09:03.34 | rook2pawn | thanks! how did you find the rename? |
| 09:04.49 | syshape | hello, I've written a netinstall on a usb key, which is a 4GB, and now using fdisk I can only see a 10MiB space. I've tried to use sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=1, without any success. Would you know about this problem ? |
| 09:05.09 | SynrG | rook2pawn: the wiki is for whatever systems people bother to put there. it's uneven. |
| 09:05.28 | SynrG | community-maintained ... not "official" in any way |
| 09:05.50 | msn | rook2pawn: apt-get install libvirt-bin gave me the package name which provide the same binary |
| 09:06.16 | eumel | syshape: try bs=1M |
| 09:06.26 | SynrG | also, pay attention to the revision history of the page (under "info"). some very old pages might refer to "stable" meaning a much older release than you think |
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| 09:07.01 | SynrG | though in this case, the page looks actively maintained, so it's a safe bet it means Jessie |
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| 09:07.19 | OnceMe | if I install fail2ban is that enough to stop ssh failed logins and ddos attacks? |
| 09:07.22 | OnceMe | with default rules |
| 09:07.41 | msn | i just ran into same issue, trying to setup opennebula on stretch the node package needs libvirt-bin and poof can't install |
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| 09:08.51 | SynrG | msn, rook2pawn: i'd say where the release is unspecified on the wiki, stable is *implied*. however, there's some stretch info there (but explicitly marked as such) |
| 09:09.10 | syshape | eumel: it doesn't work, I gonna try to reboot, maybe there was a conflict with the last usb key |
| 09:09.26 | msn | SynrG: thanks , i noticed that |
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| 09:34.02 | the_punisher | hi |
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| 09:35.49 | jvelasquez | how come the nodejs install script from nodesource isn't working for satretch? `curl -sL https://deb.nodesource.com/setup_6.x | sudo -E bash -` apt-get isn't adding resources to the package cache. |
| 09:36.14 | jvelasquez | Wow. make -j20 really works. my system load is 20!! |
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| 09:38.24 | babilen | jvelasquez: You might want to ask the node people about that. That script and the repositories it, supposedly, configures have nothing to do with Debian |
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| 09:55.16 | Aristide | Hello :) |
| 09:55.31 | Aristide | I have a problem with xrdp packaged by debian. Xrdp with XVNC work, but not with X11rdp |
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| 09:55.46 | Aristide | Wait I give you detail about error |
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| 10:09.55 | BluesKaj | Hi folks |
| 10:10.40 | eumel | BluesKaj: hi |
| 10:11.02 | BluesKaj | Hi eumel |
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| 10:46.36 | DoberMann | hi, any known issues with ipv6 security.debian.org mirrors ? i've got connection refused errors on port 80 for 2607:f8f0:614:1::1274:31 and 2001:648:2ffc:deb::211:201 (aka geo2 and geo3 according to AAAA answers) |
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| 10:56.30 | Shadur | Hrm, is it possible to recover a deleted executable if it's still running and you know the process id? |
| 10:57.22 | pfote | not sure, but doubt it |
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| 10:59.21 | Shadur | I ask because it looks like this wordpress site (not mine, customer) was broken into, installed a file called 'cron.php' that runs a listener on a port, then deleted its executable but stays running. |
| 10:59.49 | Shadur | I'm torn between wanting to kill it outright and tryign to pry as much information out of it before I do so. |
| 11:02.44 | eumel | Shadur: you could search in /proc/${PID} for process related content |
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| 11:03.53 | Shadur | eumel: Yeah, that's where I'm looking, but the exe is a symlink to the original and it was deleted. |
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| 11:06.27 | eumel | Shadur: that's true, there won't be any more information for the running process, maybe some filesystem recovery tools could help? |
| 11:06.41 | Shadur | ... Ah well. This is their production server, I don't think they'd be happy wth "I let a suspicious process keep running on your server because I wanted to see if I could find out what it did" |
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| 11:10.21 | eumel | Shadur: i don't think so either |
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| 11:10.58 | eumel | Shadur: i'd kill the process first and try finding the executed bits with some recovery tool afterwards |
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| 11:42.25 | cef | Any suggestions on how to debug i965 driver not loading glx properly in Xorg? Xorg log: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/5882bd8e/ - Kaby Lake (i7-7700) inbuilt video, already using jessie-backports, no other graphics cards in the system. |
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| 11:57.11 | TimurTheLame | cef, do you have the modesetting package installed? |
| 11:57.44 | TimurTheLame | cef, try uninstalling it? |
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| 11:59.31 | TimurTheLame | cef, https://packages.debian.org/jessie/xserver-xorg-video-modesetting |
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| 12:00.59 | TimurTheLame | cef, and restart X |
| 12:01.40 | petn-randall | cef: What packages have you pulled from backports? |
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| 12:06.27 | cef | hrm, uninstalling xserver-xorg-video-modesetting wants to remove task-desktop :/ |
| 12:07.12 | cef | petn-randall: xserver-xorg-video-intel and most of the mesa packages.. |
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| 12:07.56 | Iridos | cef, apt-cache show task-desktop |grep Depends: |
| 12:08.02 | Iridos | those are you probably want instead |
| 12:08.22 | cef | petn-randall: basically what you'd install for skylake from jessie-backports |
| 12:09.52 | cef | Iridos: ahh.. yep.. and digging further, it seems it depends on ALL the xorg video drivers.. so you can't uninstall one without breaking that |
| 12:11.01 | Iridos | no, you have to go at least one level deeper |
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| 12:12.15 | cef | still seems to depend on all of them.. ie: I can't uninstall just a single driver. |
| 12:12.32 | cef | so.. how to disable it is pretty much the next step to dig into |
| 12:13.03 | Iridos | you have to mark the packages that the meta-packages depend on as "installed manually", then you can remove the meta-packages |
| 12:13.42 | Iridos | so for task-desktop apt-get install xorg xserver-xorg-video-all xserver-xorg-input-all desktop-base |
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| 12:13.44 | Iridos | should do that |
| 12:13.47 | Iridos | dpkg, unmarkauto |
| 12:13.47 | dpkg | Is apt trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it causing the gnome meta-package to be uninstalled and then all its dependencies. Fix this by running "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage> (apt-get also has unmarkauto from squeeze onwards). |
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| 12:14.13 | Iridos | or aptitude unmarkauto, same list from the Depends: |
| 12:14.14 | cef | ugh.. easier just to disable it probably.. anyway, gives me something to investigate tomorrow... bit late now (damn timezones) |
| 12:14.19 | petn-randall | cef: You also want to have the kernel from backports. Also, I don't think that uninstalling a driver will improve anything. |
| 12:14.28 | Iridos | but those are again meta-packages, so you need at least one level more |
| 12:14.38 | cef | petn-randall: ahh yes, I'm running 4.9 from backports. |
| 12:14.42 | Iridos | it's not hard! it's two commands so far⦠|
| 12:14.46 | petn-randall | Timur didn't explain why removing xserver-xorg-video-modesetting would help. |
| 12:14.52 | Iridos | well, there's that |
| 12:15.04 | jelly | also, apt-mark manual |
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| 12:15.55 | cef | seems i can just turn off modesetting at boot to the kernel by adding `nomodeset i915.modeset=0 nouveau.modeset=0` to the kernel cmdline |
| 12:16.17 | cef | anyway, late here.. thanks and nite. |
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| 12:54.34 | jelly | !qotd0 |
| 12:54.35 | dpkg | greycat|home | TummyAcid: TAB TAB TAB TAB TAB!!! Tab is your friend! Use the tab key! |
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| 12:57.31 | GoGi | Why does the stretch kernel report its version as 4.9.0-2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.13-1? |
| 12:57.45 | GoGi | is this based on 4.9.13 or 4.9.0? or both somehow? |
| 12:57.49 | themill | !kernel abi |
| 12:57.49 | dpkg | Debian kernel packages have an <ABI> to indicate when out-of-tree modules must be rebuilt; upgrading from a package with 3.2.0-3-amd64 to another 3.2.0-3-amd64 doesn't require fglrx/nvidia/etc to be rebuilt, but upgrading from 3.2.0-3-amd64 to 3.2.0-4-amd64 does. Development kernels intended for <experimental> have the ABI <trunk> to indicate the ABI is unmanaged. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernelABIChanges |
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| 12:57.59 | mort | hey |
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| 12:58.20 | mort | I accidentally did `chsh -s bash root` instead of `chsh -s /bin/bash root`. Is there a way to fix that? |
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| 12:58.46 | mort | I have another user account which I can log into, but don't have sudo installed |
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| 13:00.44 | GoGi | so the debian kernel contains those things from 4.9.13 which do not change the abi that existed in 4.9.0? |
| 13:01.35 | jer0me | mort: su -c /bin/bash ? |
| 13:01.42 | themill | GoGi: it will be all of 4.9.13 and that hasn't changed the ABI. Basically that 0 is redundant but noone is brave enough to break the world by removing it |
| 13:02.05 | mort | jer0me: still getting the "cannot execute bash" message |
| 13:02.24 | themill | GoGi: You won't believe how many bits of scripting want to split x.y.z-a-arch into some bits |
| 13:02.34 | mort | jer0me: same with `su -s /bin/bash` |
| 13:02.45 | GoGi | I see |
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| 13:03.09 | DoberMann | liveCD or singleuser boot may be anoption |
| 13:03.18 | GoGi | so even the kernel maintainers do not allow abi changes in their longterm kernels? |
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| 13:03.47 | themill | GoGi: try to avoid but it happens. That's why there's a -2- there not a -1- |
| 13:03.59 | GoGi | ok |
| 13:04.08 | GoGi | thanks |
| 13:04.11 | the_punisher | i need help |
| 13:04.28 | the_punisher | in vmware |
| 13:04.43 | the_punisher | i got a message said that |
| 13:04.44 | themill | GoGi: for the most part, the ABI sting is an opaque string and if it changes, you need to recompile out-of-tree modules (vbox, vmware, nvidia etc). If it doesn't change, you shouldn't need to. |
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| 13:05.13 | tx | the_punisher: debian doesn't really support vmware |
| 13:05.17 | tx | doesn't package it. :( |
| 13:05.20 | tx | (which is good!) |
| 13:05.45 | GoGi | I see |
| 13:05.48 | the_punisher | so what shoould i do |
| 13:06.06 | jer0me | mort: maybe try ssh root@host /bin/bash |
| 13:06.06 | towo` | the_punisher, ask the vmware people? |
| 13:06.30 | the_punisher | where can i found him plz |
| 13:06.35 | jer0me | mort: or you may need to reboot and issue init=/bin/bash or something long these line |
| 13:06.53 | GoGi | if git is update to allow other hashes than sha1, is this a security problem that will allow the debian stable package to be updated or not? |
| 13:06.59 | towo` | the_punisher, unable to put vmware community in a serachengine? |
| 13:07.38 | the_punisher | towo |
| 13:07.53 | the_punisher | what you suggest |
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| 13:08.14 | towo` | the_punisher, i suggest to ask on the right place |
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| 13:11.14 | mort | from single user mode, `chsh` didn't work due to a PAM authentication issue (related to the shell being set incorrectly?), but I've edited /etc/passwd now, and now the shell works again |
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| 13:11.55 | mort | ssh didn't work btw, I assume debian disallows logging into root with a password by default |
| 13:12.12 | jelly | mort: correct, only key-based for root by default |
| 13:12.27 | edeca | jelly: At the console too? |
| 13:12.31 | mort | I could've copied over the ssh key to the non-root user then |
| 13:12.31 | jelly | for ssh |
| 13:12.37 | mort | but alas, it works now |
| 13:13.07 | DoberMann | mort: need to remount / un rw mode to avoid "pam auth issue" |
| 13:13.16 | DoberMann | *in |
| 13:13.19 | mort | makes sense |
| 13:13.27 | DoberMann | (default to ro) |
| 13:14.05 | mort | hmm I was still able to edit /etc/passwd though, which doesn't make sense if it was mounted read only |
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| 14:19.33 | b3h3m0th | I created a file /etc/systemd/system/hostapd.service so that hostapd runs as a service. But when I try systemctl status hostapd, it says no such file or directory. Please help https://paste.ubuntu.com/24170870/ |
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| 14:28.54 | b3h3m0th | Hello |
| 14:29.16 | b3h3m0th | why does systemd give me a "Loaded: not-found (Reason: No such file or directory)" for systemctl status? |
| 14:29.17 | jelly | b3h3m0th: don't forget to run "systemctl daemon-reload" |
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| 14:29.44 | jelly | after adding a new service unit |
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| 14:30.06 | b3h3m0th | jelly: that was it! my 3 hours :'( |
| 14:30.09 | b3h3m0th | thank you very much |
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| 14:34.47 | b3h3m0th | jelly: could you please review this: https://paste.ubuntu.com/24170913/ |
| 14:35.08 | b3h3m0th | My requirement is that hostapd should start as a service after wlan0 is up and it should restart on fail |
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| 14:40.18 | nguyenphi | How to deal with when the package you need only available in ppa or aur? |
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| 14:40.56 | n4dir | you simply don't care if it is in aur or ppa. It means nothing |
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| 14:41.08 | nguyenphi | n4dir: why? |
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| 14:41.23 | n4dir | because it doesn't matter, as far debian is concerned. |
| 14:42.02 | n4dir | or: it doesn't help |
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| 14:42.07 | nguyenphi | n4dir: another question do you use backport instead? |
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| 14:42.58 | n4dir | yes. you check if it is in stable backports, if it isn't, you check if it is possible to backport yourself from unstable, last you consider if it is worth to build it yourself |
| 14:43.03 | john_rambo | I am using Debian Stable LXDE....After installing k3b it hasnt appeared in the menu .... How do I add it ? |
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| 14:44.21 | jelly | b3h3m0th: sorry, I'm not the right person to ask about systemd details |
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| 14:45.04 | jelly | b3h3m0th: there's #systemd channel here, or #debian-systemd on irc.oftc.net (and you can try asking in #debian there as well) |
| 14:45.09 | n4dir | there is a bot-factoid about backporting, i assumed !bbl or !bbi, but no. |
| 14:45.13 | jelly | !ssb |
| 14:45.13 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 14:45.22 | n4dir | ta-da. thanks jelly |
| 14:45.25 | jelly | (simple sid backport) |
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| 15:01.18 | elg75 | trying to install ModemManager-0.5.tar.bz2 and running into many many dependencies...hot to resolve them? |
| 15:03.28 | elg75 | how to resolve? |
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| 15:06.49 | towo` | elg75, install them? |
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| 15:08.32 | elg75 | right- apt-get install yields about 4 dependencies- I'm just needing a way to get ModemManager installed. |
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| 15:11.39 | n4dir | dpkg -f , if you use gdebi or such it will install them without such hazzle |
| 15:11.39 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, n4dir |
| 15:12.03 | n4dir | damnit, was wrong anyway. apt-get install -f , i think |
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| 15:17.42 | fastputty | hi guys, could someone help me out. my iostat show 24.60 for IOWAIT. im not sure what is the reason for it. I have 4 cores so i guess its 100% IOWAIT on a single core. |
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| 15:19.12 | F443 | hi. I am trying to dd debian installation images (netinst or live) onto usb keys but they don't boot. the isos are not corrupt/damaged. When I open the usb keys with gparted after dd'ing the isos onto them, gparted gives me an "invalid recursive partition" error. what's going wrong here? |
| 15:19.29 | fastputty | hi guys, could someone help me out. my iostat show 24.60 for IOWAIT. im not sure what is the reason for it. I have 4 cores so i guess its 100% IOWAIT on a single core. |
| 15:19.33 | gslima_ | game on! |
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| 15:19.42 | jelly | fastputty: typically that means your storage is slow enough that one of the running processes is just waiting for I/O to finish most of the time |
| 15:20.08 | fastputty | jelly: yes but with iotop it show nothing wrong |
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| 15:20.26 | jelly | fastputty: "iostat -x 1" (from sysstat package) will help figuring out which device is ~100% in use |
| 15:20.33 | jelly | s/in use/busy/ |
| 15:20.46 | jelly | fastputty: there's nothing wrong, things are jsut slow |
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| 15:21.08 | fastputty | hmm let me pastebin some stuff |
| 15:21.43 | fastputty | here is the result of iostat -x 1 : http://pastebin.com/JkybNJXD |
| 15:22.26 | jelly | fastputty: right, so you've got contention on dm-0 / sdb |
| 15:22.49 | fastputty | here is the iotop: http://pastebin.com/jDjASywP |
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| 15:23.06 | jelly | fastputty: ls -la /dev/dm-0 /dev/mapper/ will tell you which device/mountpoint is this |
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| 15:27.26 | jelly | fastputty: processes with names like [...] are typically kernel threads. [jbd2-...] is a part of ext4 file system kernel driver |
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| 15:28.17 | F443 | what kind of partition table does a dd'able usb key need? msdos or mbr or gpt? |
| 15:28.28 | jelly | F443: msdos IS mbr. |
| 15:29.14 | F443 | ok, so which one do I need for a debian iso? |
| 15:29.37 | jelly | F443: you don't need ANY preexisting partition table, the image has its own and you write it to the whole device |
| 15:30.34 | jelly | F443: and use "cp bla.iso /dev/sdq" instead of "dd if=bla.iso of=/dev/sdq ..." to write it |
| 15:30.44 | F443 | jelly: i deleted all my partitions from my usb keys so that only unallocated space was left, but that didnt work. then I tried FAT partitions or ext4 but they didnt work either. |
| 15:31.05 | jelly | F443: the image will overwrite any existing partitions\ |
| 15:31.25 | jelly | if it doesn't, you're doing something wrong |
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| 15:31.30 | abff | F443: don't write to the partition, write to the whole disk /dev/sdb or /dev/sdc whatever it may be |
| 15:31.31 | F443 | ok, i will try cp |
| 15:31.45 | jelly | F443: which OS are you doing this from? |
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| 15:32.24 | F443 | jelly: debian |
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| 15:34.05 | TimurTheLame | I keep getting checksum mismatches when downloading with apt-get. Have the secret services finally figured out that I'm dangerous and they're doing a MITM attack on me? |
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| 15:35.21 | TimurTheLame | The mirror might be broken, though |
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| 15:38.00 | jelly | TimurTheLame: change the used mirror before going into 100% paranoid mode |
| 15:38.11 | TimurTheLame | jelly, I was making a joke |
| 15:38.26 | jelly | I was completely 100% serious |
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| 15:38.54 | jelly | On internet, noone can hear you being subtle. |
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| 15:39.26 | Aristide | Hello ! I have a problem with XRDP (with xorgxrdp module). If i'm connect with Xvnc its work, but not with xorgxrdp, I get success, and in log, I have http://pastebin.com/1T2ZMN7N |
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| 15:39.53 | Aristide | (I have edit IP Address on log :p) |
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| 15:40.43 | Aristide | I get "connected : OK" into log console |
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| 15:43.29 | jelly | Aristide: whish debian release? |
| 15:43.49 | fastputty | jelly: but wha ti understood, [jbd2-...] is slow and this is normal. it is not the cause of my iowait |
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| 15:44.03 | Aristide | jelly: Debian 8 |
| 15:44.04 | jelly | fastputty: yes it is |
| 15:44.24 | jelly | ,v xorgxrdp |
| 15:44.25 | judd | Package: xorgxrdp on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 0.9.1-4~bpo8+1; sid: 0.9.1-7; stretch: 0.9.1-7 |
| 15:44.37 | jelly | Aristide: how did you install xorgxrdp? |
| 15:45.39 | fastputty | jelly: what so far, im not sure what cause this 25% iowait |
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| 15:45.57 | Aristide | jelly: Must be installed after or before xrdp ? |
| 15:46.08 | fastputty | jelly: this is http://pastebin.com/CUNQaZtK |
| 15:46.39 | jelly | Aristide: I have no idea, didn't even know there was a backport. I still x11vnc |
| 15:46.57 | Aristide | jelly: In Sid its work without problem |
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| 15:49.12 | rdococ | 1725? New record!!! |
| 15:49.18 | rdococ | jk |
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| 15:54.25 | fastputty | jelly: from the pastebin i shared, is there anything suspecious? |
| 15:54.56 | carp_ | Hi, I have debian jessie. I want to start a wordpress website and so Im looking for a good guide to follow. Does anyone have a recommendation? Im currently looking at following this guide: http://www.linuxserve.com/2015/05/install-latest-wordpress-version-on.html |
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| 15:55.47 | carp_ | Something that is worrying me though is the part where it says "chmod -R 755 /var/www/html/wordpress". Is that something I should be concerned about security wise? |
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| 15:56.19 | fastputty | carp_ : if you are the only person using the server and you have a updated version of wordpress |
| 15:56.22 | petn-randall | ,v wordpress |
| 15:56.23 | judd | Package: wordpress on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.6.1+dfsg-1~deb7u10; wheezy-security: 3.6.1+dfsg-1~deb7u13; jessie: 4.1+dfsg-1+deb8u11; jessie-proposed-updates: 4.1+dfsg-1+deb8u12; jessie-security: 4.1+dfsg-1+deb8u12; jessie-backports: 4.7.2+dfsg-1~bpo8+1; sid: 4.7.3+dfsg-1; stretch: 4.7.3+dfsg-1 |
| 15:56.27 | fastputty | carp_: i think it should be save |
| 15:56.39 | stew | carp_: who owns that directory? |
| 15:56.53 | petn-randall | carp_: I would just install the version that comes with jessie. 'apt install wordpress'. |
| 15:57.05 | stew | carp_: in general, running wordpress is a huge security liability |
| 15:57.44 | carp_ | Hi guys. It is my own personal machine, Im the only user. |
| 15:57.50 | jer0me | webapps security is not trivial indeed. |
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| 15:58.51 | carp_ | petn-randall: I like the sound of your plan. But Im sure I will need a guide to get it working. |
| 15:59.22 | stew | carp_: what is your plan for learning when you need to make security patches? |
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| 15:59.53 | fastputty | someone could give me a hand for diagnose why my server is having a 25% iowait in a iostat. (4 core cpu) |
| 16:00.15 | petn-randall | fastputty: Sure, can you share the output on https://paste.debian.net? |
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| 16:00.42 | fastputty | petn-randall: iostat : http://pastebin.com/JkybNJXD iotop: http://pastebin.com/jDjASywP |
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| 16:01.17 | carp_ | stew: Im a new user to Debian, Im a beginner all round unfortunately. At the moment what I do is just "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade" each day. |
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| 16:02.05 | M4GNV5 | whoever is running that server: the timestamps on the mails from debian-news-request@lists.debian.org are always 1 hour in the past |
| 16:02.45 | doubledutch | M4GNV5: Not always, just last 10 hours. Thanks. |
| 16:02.46 | doubledutch | !ops |
| 16:02.46 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel. |
| 16:02.52 | han-solo | maybe it's because of DST :} |
| 16:03.20 | fastputty | petn-randall: what more output would you need? |
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| 16:03.39 | M4GNV5 | han-solo, yah that would be my guess too |
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| 16:08.53 | jer0me | TIL, countries / TZ do not change DST on the same day. |
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| 16:09.06 | Datz | Hi, I had a question about how DST is propagated the RTC chips in a computer. I'm using a DS3231 for a RTC, which doesn't keep track of DST, and I wasn't aware tht my setup was writing to the RTC, yet it accounted for DST. |
| 16:09.12 | jer0me | yesterday in the US, end of month in France. |
| 16:09.17 | johnkeates | jer0me: are you one of those engineers that got stuck on a date/time piece of software? |
| 16:09.23 | johnkeates | because in that case, i feel your pain |
| 16:09.41 | johnkeates | Datz: it uses a tzdata database |
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| 16:09.58 | Datz | the system clock |
| 16:10.11 | johnkeates | date and time is a complex beast since it's made by humans for humans and sucks for machine |
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| 16:10.21 | johnkeates | Datz: every time the system shuts down it writes the RTC |
| 16:10.22 | Datz | So something like hwclock automatically updates the RTC |
| 16:10.30 | jer0me | johnkeates: I got bitten quite a few times in the past (!), but nowadays, I mostly use golang, which date handling is prety great. |
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| 16:10.32 | teclo- | ah it's again that-time-of-the-year-when-its-so-dumb-that-they-dont-change-to-DST-at-the-same-date |
| 16:10.32 | Datz | This system was left running |
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| 16:10.51 | johnkeates | it also updates on leap seconds, ntp syncs etc. |
| 16:11.05 | Datz | ntp has been stopped |
| 16:11.25 | johnkeates | they don't change DST at the same time for the same reason time zones exist and christmas in australia is on the beach |
| 16:11.42 | johnkeates | Datz: the chip itself isn't magical, the OS must be responsible |
| 16:11.47 | Datz | I guess the system clock updates the RTC unknowingly to me |
| 16:11.52 | jelly | Datz: which hw platform is that? |
| 16:11.53 | johnkeates | yeah |
| 16:12.01 | johnkeates | it's a Pi i bet |
| 16:12.02 | jelly | Datz: and which debian release? |
| 16:12.12 | Datz | jelly: it's raspian or whatever/ |
| 16:12.27 | johnkeates | It's Debian on ARM on the Raspberry Pi |
| 16:12.31 | jelly | Datz: raspbian is quite different from debian |
| 16:12.31 | johnkeates | it's a good distro |
| 16:12.32 | Datz | yes |
| 16:12.36 | Datz | I see |
| 16:12.39 | jelly | !raspbian |
| 16:12.39 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 16:12.49 | johnkeates | that is also true |
| 16:12.51 | Datz | right.. |
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| 16:13.06 | jelly | ask in their channel, we have no clue what workaround and settings they have in addition to what was in debian |
| 16:13.14 | johnkeates | while most things that are true for debian are also true for raspbian, it doesn't work the other way around |
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| 16:13.26 | Datz | Ah, I thought it'd be the same config for time, relativly. |
| 16:13.27 | johnkeates | rasbpian is debian with hacks on top, comparable to ubuntu ;-) |
| 16:13.37 | jelly | no, raspbian is raspbian |
| 16:13.39 | johnkeates | no, especially since it has no RTC by default |
| 16:13.40 | teclo- | yeah but "Christmas in Australia is on the beach" is a natural phenomenon, daylight savings time is the consequence of the silliness of mankind |
| 16:13.50 | Datz | That's true |
| 16:13.52 | johnkeates | jelly: i can build images for both from the same toochain |
| 16:14.09 | jelly | johnkeates: good for you! Have a cookie |
| 16:14.14 | johnkeates | has a cookie |
| 16:14.19 | johnkeates | ur just jelly |
| 16:14.21 | Datz | I wonder if anyone there will know anything.. |
| 16:14.31 | jelly | if you have an r.pi3 and actual debian and can reproduce the same issue, ask in here (or better, in #debian-arm on OFTC) |
| 16:14.36 | johnkeates | they will, since RTC stuff is a day-to-day issue for Pi and the gang |
| 16:14.53 | Datz | tis a r.pi3 |
| 16:14.56 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:15.01 | johnkeates | ;-) |
| 16:15.24 | johnkeates | but jelly is right, this is #debian, if the channel starts accepting stuff for everything that remotely smells like debian ist's gonna be a shitstorm in here |
| 16:15.25 | Datz | runs debian on this current machine |
| 16:15.34 | Datz | hehe |
| 16:15.38 | jer0me | teclo-: it was pretty smart at the time. Not quite sure nowadays. |
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| 16:16.09 | jelly | !based on debian |
| 16:16.09 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 16:16.52 | teclo- | johnkeates, jelly: well there is #raspbian for that, for instance |
| 16:16.59 | jer0me | Any recommendation on photo library management tools that would make sync between machines not a huge PITA? |
| 16:17.03 | johnkeates | that's true |
| 16:17.11 | jelly | teclo-: yes, dpkg just said that |
| 16:17.23 | johnkeates | dpkg sometimes lies |
| 16:17.23 | dpkg | johnkeates: I give up, what is it? |
| 16:17.28 | johnkeates | see |
| 16:17.35 | jelly | dpkg: spank johnkeates |
| 16:17.35 | dpkg | bends johnkeates over his knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 16:17.41 | johnkeates | nice |
| 16:17.45 | teclo- | jelly: indeed |
| 16:17.48 | johnkeates | do it again |
| 16:17.49 | johnkeates | :p |
| 16:17.52 | jelly | dpkg: spank johnkeates |
| 16:17.52 | dpkg | bends johnkeates over his knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 16:17.53 | johnkeates | rawr |
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| 16:18.37 | han-solo | err |
| 16:18.39 | han-solo | :} |
| 16:19.16 | Datz | I guess I could ask the same question about my other debian install.. |
| 16:19.25 | Datz | Shouldn't have based it on the Pi :P |
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| 16:20.03 | Datz | Is there a config where I can see how often the RTC is written to? |
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| 16:23.28 | jelly | a good question for #raspbian |
| 16:23.54 | Datz | They'd probaly tell me to get help with debian in #debian |
| 16:24.00 | Datz | :p |
| 16:24.01 | han-solo | :} |
| 16:24.25 | jelly | Datz: what does "uname -a" say on your debian system |
| 16:24.44 | Datz | Linux media 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.78-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 16:24.55 | jelly | yeah, that looks like debian |
| 16:25.05 | Datz | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:25.11 | jelly | 3.2.84-2 is current, patch your OS |
| 16:25.18 | Datz | yeah |
| 16:25.24 | jelly | and reboot, too |
| 16:25.27 | Datz | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:25.30 | Datz | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:25.35 | Pr0metheus | my Tomcat is constantly running at 7-10% and there is nothing in the logs, any idea where should I look for tihs? |
| 16:25.40 | jelly | hopes that's not on public ip |
| 16:25.53 | jelly | Pr0metheus: 7-10% of what? |
| 16:26.06 | jhutchins_wk | Pr0metheus: What is tomcat doing? |
| 16:26.31 | jelly | it's jvm, idle loop probably eats half a core :-) |
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| 16:26.58 | jhutchins_wk | Logging may not be turned on. |
| 16:27.06 | Pr0metheus | jelly it's on a VMware virtual machine and with top -> I get 7-10% cpu |
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| 16:27.20 | Pr0metheus | jhutchins_wk I don't know what it is doing |
| 16:28.15 | jelly | Pr0metheus: java can do all sorts of asynchronous stuff, GC comes to mind. You'll probably get more help asking in a tomcat or java channel |
| 16:28.34 | Pr0metheus | ok jelly thanks |
| 16:28.47 | jelly | even if there's nothing accessing its listener services |
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| 16:48.12 | alwyn | Hello! For some reason postfix stopped, and now when I try to start it again, I get "fatal: bind 0.0.0.0 port 25: Address already in use" in the logfile |
| 16:48.26 | alwyn | However, "lsof -i :25" returns empty |
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| 16:52.21 | han-solo | netstat -nat | grep :25 |
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| 16:53.42 | bezaban | sudo lsof -i :25 ? |
| 16:53.51 | alwyn | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN |
| 16:53.54 | alwyn | Hmmm |
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| 16:57.20 | donofrio | do you folks know if yaboot is needed anymore, aka can I apt-get grub2 and have a working ppc system? |
| 16:57.28 | alwyn | Euh postfix is running again :P |
| 16:57.32 | alwyn | Anyways gotta run, thanks :) |
| 16:57.43 | Diveyez | Can you please unban nem |
| 16:57.51 | Diveyez | Had ti migrate a server |
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| 16:58.33 | gang | hello? |
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| 17:01.22 | Wulf | gang: hello. |
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| 17:02.35 | kaleidoscope | hey guys, i'm in the process of harding my debian server. is using grsecurity a recommended idea? |
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| 17:02.45 | Wulf | kaleidoscope: I think so |
| 17:02.54 | gang | Wulf Is this a help channel? |
| 17:03.16 | Wulf | gang: yeah, feel free to help others |
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| 17:03.23 | kaleidoscope | Wulf: neat, thank you. do you know which package i should install? |
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| 17:03.24 | kaleidoscope | i see two packages linux-patch-grsecurity2 and kernel-patch-grsecurity2 |
| 17:03.33 | kaleidoscope | i'm using debian jessie |
| 17:03.50 | Wulf | kaleidoscope: read the description of both |
| 17:03.54 | Wulf | kaleidoscope: then decide :-) |
| 17:04.03 | nmschulte | linux-patch is the wrong one, IIUC. |
| 17:04.09 | gang | Wulf I'm the one who needs helping haha |
| 17:04.24 | gang | xset m is doing nothing for me no matter what I do |
| 17:04.43 | kaleidoscope | ah, looks like i need both i'm guessing. kernel-patch is a transitional package |
| 17:04.55 | Wulf | gang: what should it di? |
| 17:05.30 | Wulf | kaleidoscope: you don't need transitional packages. |
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| 17:06.06 | gang | Wulf It should be changing the mouse settings no? |
| 17:06.12 | kaleidoscope | Wulf: ah whoops, gotcha |
| 17:06.19 | Wulf | gang: do you supply any other parameters? |
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| 17:08.52 | plum | hi |
| 17:08.57 | plum | does anyone here use psad? |
| 17:09.11 | gang | Wulf I'm typing xset m 1/2 0 |
| 17:09.14 | gang | no mouse speed changes |
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| 17:22.58 | kaleidoscope | okay, so i installed grsecurity, but i'm not exactly sure how to verify the kernel has been patched |
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| 17:26.24 | jelly | M4GNV5: can you pastebin full headers of an affected message from lists.debian.org? |
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| 17:31.05 | jelly | kaleidoscope: boot into it and try to run firefox or java, when it breaks horribly it will be apparent :-) |
| 17:32.13 | kaleidoscope | jelly: even on a headless server? i guess i can use java, but not sure about firefox |
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| 17:35.46 | jelly | kaleidoscope: #grsecurity channel over on irc.oftc.net will have less stupid suggestions, probably |
| 17:35.59 | kaleidoscope | ah, sounds great, thank you |
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| 18:07.10 | petn-randall | fastputty: What type of block devices are sda, sdb, and sdd? Are they assemble to RAID somehow? |
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| 18:21.36 | kupi | Hello |
| 18:21.48 | doubledutch | !hello |
| 18:21.48 | dpkg | Hi, doubledutch! |
| 18:22.31 | kupi | what is the group of nginx on debian 8? |
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| 18:25.00 | truth-wok | its www-data for me |
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| 18:25.24 | doubledutch | kupi: Same here, www-data |
| 18:25.59 | truth-wok | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/350141/how-to-find-out-what-group-a-given-user-has |
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| 18:26.44 | kupi | I have added my user to that group, do I need to log out? |
| 18:26.56 | bibble | kupi: user 'nginx' if you use the dotdeb repo |
| 18:27.17 | bibble | what nginx version ? |
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| 18:27.59 | kupi | 1.6.2 |
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| 18:39.47 | imeanmean | hi all |
| 18:39.56 | imeanmean | I have a broken package (Debian jessie) and can't apt remove it, also can't install any other packages from apt |
| 18:40.03 | imeanmean | reconfigure, remove, force aren't working also |
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| 18:42.34 | somiaj | !bat |
| 18:42.34 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 18:42.49 | somiaj | imeanmean: give us that output. Being a broken package in jessie, usually occurs when mixing in unoffical third party packages |
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| 18:44.33 | imeanmean | @somiaj yes |
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| 18:45.14 | imeanmean | E: package telegram needs to be reinstalled, but not file found |
| 18:45.18 | somiaj | if using thrid party packages/repos, make sure they are compadable with jessie, else you'll have trouble. |
| 18:45.22 | imeanmean | (sorry for translation, output is in spanish) |
| 18:45.28 | somiaj | ,v telegram |
| 18:45.29 | judd | No package named 'telegram' was found in amd64. |
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| 18:45.43 | somiaj | imeanmean: well that package doesn't exist in debian, unsure what is requireing it. |
| 18:45.44 | Latituder | debian is rock solid. except for one thing. browser (chrome) has bad fonts. how to fix it |
| 18:45.55 | somiaj | imeanmean: with LANG=C apt-cache policy -- you can get output in english. |
| 18:46.04 | imeanmean | ok will try |
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| 18:46.22 | somiaj | Latituder: might just need to install other font packages. Unsure what free fonts are good, I use non-free fonts and don't have issue with chromium. |
| 18:46.49 | Latituder | somiaj, what non free do you use |
| 18:46.52 | imeanmean | "telegram needs to be be reinstalled" |
| 18:46.56 | imeanmean | "not file found" |
| 18:47.02 | Latituder | and do I need to configure them after installing from apt install? somiaj |
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| 18:47.48 | somiaj | Latituder: actually don't have any non-free fonts here and it seems to work. |
| 18:48.05 | somiaj | imeanmean: we cna't really support a package we don't know anything about, that package is not in debian. If it is installed on your system, where did it come from? |
| 18:48.18 | somiaj | Latituder: do you have an example/screenshot of a webpage that gives bad fonts? |
| 18:48.42 | somiaj | Latituder: do you have the fonts-liberation package installed? |
| 18:48.43 | Latituder | all webpages |
| 18:48.50 | Latituder | in browser chrome / chromium |
| 18:48.53 | Latituder | tiny distorted |
| 18:49.01 | imeanmean | somiaj i need to unistall it |
| 18:49.08 | imeanmean | uninstall* |
| 18:49.13 | imeanmean | since apt is now broken |
| 18:49.28 | Latituder | somiaj, fonts-liberation is already installed according to apt |
| 18:49.41 | somiaj | imeanmean: so what is the output of LANG=C apt-get remove telegram -- paste the full output including the command you typed at paste.debian.net |
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| 18:51.23 | somiaj | Latituder: unsure what the issue could be, tiny fonts sounds like it could be a dpi setting, if you say zoom the webpage do the fonts get better? |
| 18:51.46 | somiaj | Latituder: My fonts here look just fine and I haven't done anything special. But I'm also one who is okay with the default fonts. |
| 18:52.23 | Latituder | somiaj, zooming improves readability |
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| 18:52.44 | somiaj | Latituder: what DE are you using? |
| 18:52.49 | imeanmean | somiaj http://paste.debian.net/plain/919673 |
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| 18:53.06 | somiaj | Latituder: was it defaulted to be zoomed at 100%, or was it some how zoomed at say 50% and you had to zoom in to get it to be normal. |
| 18:53.09 | Latituder | somiaj, MATE |
| 18:53.18 | Latituder | 100 |
| 18:53.42 | somiaj | imeanmean: LANG=C dpkg -l | grep telegram-cli |
| 18:54.25 | imeanmean | FR telegram-cli 1.0.6-1 amd64 Telegram messenger |
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| 18:55.14 | mandeep | Latituder: ive had success with infinality but it takes some configuration |
| 18:55.53 | Latituder | doesnt debian come with infinality like default config |
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| 18:57.28 | somiaj | imeanmean: I have never had a package in that state, but unsure what to do if you don't have access to the package. You could try to configure it or purge it and see if that gets you anywhere. dpkg --configure telegram-cli or dpkg --purge telegram-cli |
| 18:58.34 | imeanmean | somiaj http://paste.debian.net/plain/919676 |
| 18:59.13 | mandeep | Latituder: unsure |
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| 19:00.11 | somiaj | Latituder: maybe check under Mate's configuration/settings dialogs and see if you can find one on fonts, default font size, or font scaling/dpi |
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| 19:00.44 | somiaj | imeanmean: yea that package is in a bad state, and purging doesn't get rid of it? Seems like you need to track down what third party site gave yo utha tpackage. |
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| 19:01.59 | imeanmean | can't remove it in a hard way? |
| 19:02.15 | imeanmean | apt is stuck since 2 days, can't install any package or remove |
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| 19:04.05 | somiaj | imeanmean: if dpkg --purge won't remove it, it is very broken and you need to track down where you got this third party package |
| 19:04.09 | somiaj | maybe read the following link |
| 19:04.14 | somiaj | !don't break debian |
| 19:04.14 | dpkg | dont break debian is probably https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
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| 19:04.52 | Latituder | somiaj, pdfs are crystal clear, only browser fonts suck |
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| 19:05.43 | somiaj | pdf's usually have the fonts included in them, the browser will get the fonts from the system. |
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| 19:05.48 | imeanmean | so my Debian is now broken, since I can't get the original .deb file for this package |
| 19:05.49 | imeanmean | lol |
| 19:05.56 | imeanmean | format time? |
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| 19:06.36 | somiaj | or you can track down where you got this package. |
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| 19:07.54 | imeanmean | :( |
| 19:07.56 | imeanmean | looks bad |
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| 19:08.23 | abff | testing |
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| 19:08.58 | jelly | abff / [][]Jack: yes? |
| 19:09.22 | abff | Just testing quassel, wasn't sure which nick I was wearing |
| 19:09.32 | jelly | both apparently |
| 19:09.55 | abff | yeah weird |
| 19:10.29 | abff | try that autocomplete again, couldya? |
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| 19:10.59 | jelly | imeanmean: what does «dpkg -l telegram-cli |tail -n 1» say? |
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| 19:12.43 | hexnewbie | imeanmean: You didn't pastebin the result from âdpkg --purge telegram-cliâ |
| 19:13.51 | jelly | that too |
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| 19:18.08 | Rembo | when i try to install php extension i'm getting this: https://hastebin.com/acuwosebet.sql |
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| 19:19.04 | Rembo | can someone help? |
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| 19:19.29 | jelly | Rembo: run "apt-get update" and try again |
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| 19:20.43 | jelly | Rembo: your system wasn't patched up in quite a while. Consider running an "apt-get dist-upgrade" after that update, too |
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| 19:33.23 | Rembo | i'm getting this after php upgrade: https://hastebin.com/awatavuliy.sql |
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| 19:35.22 | jelly | Rembo: that looks incorrect for debian 8, where are you reading this? |
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| 19:35.40 | jelly | Rembo: do you have complete logs of said php upgrade? |
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| 19:40.17 | jhutchins_wk | ,v php5 |
| 19:40.18 | judd | Package: php5 on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.4.45-0+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 5.4.45-0+deb7u7; jessie: 5.6.29+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 5.6.30+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.6.30+dfsg-0+deb8u1 |
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| 19:41.48 | jhutchins_wk | Rembo: You probably just need to apt update |
| 19:42.27 | jhutchins_wk | As jelly said. |
| 19:43.41 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: that's not "just need to update", that's "I've possibly mixed jessie repos into something significantly older and/or have a broken php setup" |
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| 19:43.57 | jelly | their last pastebin, that is |
| 19:44.43 | TomTomTosch | that's the path wheezy uses for php modules. apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy php5 php5-mysql output to paste.debian.net would be helpful. |
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| 19:46.16 | TomTomTosch | Rembo: were you trying to upgrade that machine from wheezy to jessie? |
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| 19:47.43 | jelly | I may have accidentally told them to break their setup even more, guessing they managed to have "stable" or "jessie" repos on a mostly-wheezy system |
| 19:47.58 | jelly | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 19:48.06 | jelly | NO WARRANTY |
| 19:49.19 | Devastator | hahah |
| 19:49.37 | Devastator | that face |
| 19:50.52 | paradigmarson | Rembo: Did you run apt-get update and try again? If so, how did it go? Any different? |
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| 19:53.52 | TomTomTosch | He's dead, Jim. |
| 19:54.21 | jhutchins_wk | PHP is a mess. WordPress claims it requires PHP7, but that's not in any mainline release. |
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| 19:54.43 | jelly | ,v php7.1 |
| 19:54.44 | judd | Package: php7.1 on amd64 -- sid: 7.1.0-5; sid: 7.1.1-1 |
| 19:54.46 | jelly | ,v php7.0 |
| 19:54.47 | judd | Package: php7.0 on amd64 -- sid: 7.0.14-2; stretch: 7.0.16-3; sid: 7.0.16-3 |
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| 19:55.11 | jhutchins_wk | RSN |
| 19:55.51 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: xenial has it, or does ubuntu lts not count as mainline |
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| 19:56.43 | jhutchins_wk | Meh, I guess it does these days. For a long time it wasn't respected as a server distro, but these days it's used a lot. |
| 19:57.35 | jhutchins_wk | I wonder... there's probably a site that will show you what versions of a package are available in various distros. |
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| 19:59.28 | elg75 | Yes- right: how to install a tar.bz2 package (Modem Manager-0.5.tar.bz2) on Debian 8? |
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| 20:00.09 | jhutchins_wk | elg75: Depends on what's in the tar.gz. |
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| 20:00.47 | jelly | elg75: that's a compressed archive, not really a package. Unpack it into a directory and look at the contents |
| 20:02.01 | elg75 | Very good- there is an INSTALL file in the unzip filesystem- however it does not talk about <how to install>. |
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| 20:02.23 | jhutchins_wk | jelly: What's that utility that you can wrap a source build in to make it uninstallable? |
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| 20:03.25 | jhutchins_wk | checkinstall |
| 20:03.26 | jelly | elg75: what does it say, then? |
| 20:03.29 | TomTomTosch | elg75: where is that from? |
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| 20:03.51 | jhutchins_wk | elg75: There may also be a README |
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| 20:04.44 | elg75 | it's from launchpad.net/ModemManager |
| 20:05.00 | jhutchins_wk | ,v modemmanager |
| 20:05.01 | judd | Package: modemmanager on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.5.2.0-2; jessie: 1.4.0-1; stretch: 1.6.4-1; sid: 1.6.4-1 |
| 20:05.07 | elg75 | Yes- there is also a README file- but again it does not address how to actually install. |
| 20:05.41 | jhutchins_wk | elg75: Which is a pretty good sign that if you have to ask, you probably shouldn't. |
| 20:06.04 | jelly | elg75: and you're not using the packaged version because...? |
| 20:06.08 | jelly | ,v modem-manager-gui |
| 20:06.09 | somiaj | jhutchins_wk: or stow |
| 20:06.09 | judd | Package: modem-manager-gui on amd64 -- jessie: 0.0.17.1-2; sid: 0.0.18-3+b1; stretch: 0.0.18-3+b1 |
| 20:07.08 | jelly | elg75: install those two packages we just looked up versions of ^^ instead, see if they're good enough for your needs |
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| 20:07.44 | elg75 | modem-manager-gui. didn't know about it...now I do! great- will go with it and C. |
| 20:07.54 | jelly | elg75: next time, do an "apt-cache search keyword" for a quick search at packages already available in the distro |
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| 20:10.12 | jhutchins_wk | Debian has one of the largest collection of packaged software around, managed through the repository system and apt/dpkg. |
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| 20:10.53 | jhutchins_wk | elg75: The "download it from the manufacturer and run their installer" model is not how most Linux distros work. |
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| 20:20.07 | rgr | whats the "go to standard" for running other Linuxes under debian these days? I need to run Ubuntu 14.04. |
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| 20:20.25 | heArtbreakers | Dunno |
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| 20:20.44 | abff | What's wrong with debian? |
| 20:20.54 | jelly | everything! |
| 20:20.57 | rgr | are you talking to me? |
| 20:21.07 | abff | rgr: yeah sorry |
| 20:21.22 | rgr | nothing. Thats why I want to run ubuntu under it. Its for testing something. |
| 20:21.26 | jelly | rgr: kvm? debootstrapped chroot? |
| 20:21.33 | jelly | it depends |
| 20:21.35 | rgr | ta I'll google those. |
| 20:21.36 | TomTomTosch | docker ^^ |
| 20:21.56 | jelly | there's no usable docker in jessie, or is there |
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| 20:22.12 | rgr | wasn't vmware or something the flavour of the month not so long ago. cant remember ;( |
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| 20:22.28 | jelly | heArtbreakers: if you have an actual debian question, PM me and I may unmute you |
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| 20:22.34 | TomTomTosch | ,v docker.io |
| 20:22.35 | judd | Package: docker.io on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 1.6.2~dfsg1-1~bpo8+1; sid: 1.11.2~ds1-6; experimental: 1.13.0~ds1-1 |
| 20:22.51 | jelly | rgr: vmware isn't in debian |
| 20:23.01 | TomTomTosch | hmm, good question. that's rather old. i've been using the one packaged by upstream tbh. |
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| 20:23.36 | jonkristian | None of these suggestions works. Does anyone know how to fix this? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=767798 |
| 20:23.37 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/767798 in bind9 (pending, patch): «bind9: ignores OPTIONS from /etc/default/bind9 w/ systemd»; severity: important; opened: 2014-11-02; last modified: 2017-02-22. |
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| 20:38.11 | somiaj | jonkristian: does the bug report not have a workaround, it may require modifing the systemd unit file to deal with them |
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| 20:40.01 | Rembo | i'm getting this https://hastebin.com/evuvosopoh.rb , can someone help? |
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| 20:41.18 | somiaj | Rembo: where did you get this /etc/apache2/conf.d/phpmyadmin.conf package? |
| 20:41.42 | somiaj | Rembo: are you using the phpmyadmin and php from jessie (or your debian release) or are you using another version of php from say dotdeb or some other source? |
| 20:41.52 | Digz | Rembo, does /var/log/apache2 logs reveal anything? |
| 20:42.22 | somiaj | my initial guess is mixing of debian packages and other ways of installing php |
| 20:42.51 | Rembo | somiaj, i'm using debian7 |
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| 20:43.06 | Rembo | i did try a php upgrade and my apache doesn't start |
| 20:43.09 | somiaj | Rembo: so this is on debian wheezy, where did you get your php from? Where did you get phpmyadmin from? |
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| 20:43.32 | somiaj | where did you get th epackage you upgraded php too, that is probably th eissue, you shoudln't mix other versions of php that aren't provided by debian for wheezy. |
| 20:43.42 | Rembo | i did apt-get update |
| 20:44.07 | TomTomTosch | earlier pastes: https://hastebin.com/acuwosebet.sql https://hastebin.com/awatavuliy.sql |
| 20:44.26 | Rembo | do i need to remove php and reinstall it ? |
| 20:44.31 | Rembo | with phpmyadmin also? |
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| 20:45.17 | TomTomTosch | going from your earlier paster you mixed debian 7 and debian 8 packages, which is generally not a good idea. |
| 20:45.25 | TomTomTosch | * pastes |
| 20:45.49 | Rembo | TomTomTosch, what shall i do? |
| 20:46.05 | somiaj | Rembo: if you are mixing debian 7 and 8 packages, you could be in a strange broken state. You need to run either only debian 7 packages or only debian 8. |
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| 20:46.15 | paradigmarson | Rembo: Could try downgrading or reinstall Debian. |
| 20:46.22 | somiaj | depending on how much is mixed, it may require a bit of work to manually downgrade back to wheezy, or upgrade your whole server to jessie. |
| 20:46.35 | _jdccdevel | Does anyone know if I can use a systemd link file in /etc/systemd/network to rename a network interface on Debian Stretch (9) ? If not, will a udev rule work? |
| 20:47.20 | somiaj | _jdccdevel: I belive so, stretch supports systemd's new predictiable interface naming method, so you can use systemd with udev to name them. |
| 20:47.33 | somiaj | unsrue on the details as I haven't looked into this yet |
| 20:47.48 | bmomjian | So I installed ipmitool, then decided I didn't want it. Unfortunately, some kernel modules were left loaded, e.g. ipmi_devintf, and some module files were remove but still attempted to load on boot, causeing a failure boot message, e.g. ipmi_si. Is this normal? I ended up commenting them out in /etc/modules. Is that the right approach? |
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| 20:48.27 | jelly | predictable unless your PCI setup changes in any little way |
| 20:48.51 | somiaj | jelly: so it uses the pcislot to make the name instead of the order detected by the kernel? |
| 20:49.02 | _jdccdevel | somiaj: I've used udev rule files before, but never used the systemd link files. |
| 20:49.07 | paradigmarson | Rembo: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_emergency_downgrading https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_basic_precautions https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_rescue_with_the_dpkg_command |
| 20:49.15 | jelly | somiaj: that's where the kernel gets the "order" from |
| 20:49.17 | somiaj | _jdccdevel: me either, I know it is supported, but I also know the old way is supported to. |
| 20:49.20 | paradigmarson | hope those links help |
| 20:49.29 | pila | sorry for offtopic, can someon recommend a channel to get help for server hosting? |
| 20:51.22 | paradigmarson | Rembo: I'm afriad that's the trouble with mixing suites (e.g. running stable and installing some packages from testing): incompatibilities arise and downgrading isn't supported, though often works acceptably. I hope you get it sorted anyway. |
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| 20:52.51 | Pr0metheus | Do you guys feel a little concerned about Debian after the wikileaks reveals? |
| 20:52.52 | _jdccdevel | somiaj: Awesome, I'll use udev rule files then, if it's supported. The new device names are based on pci slots, so they're always the same between reboots. Unless you change your hardware around, they will always have the same name. I like to name them myself, so I can move things around easily, without changing a dozen config daemon configurations if I need to switch hardware. |
| 20:53.19 | pila | Pr0metheus have a link? |
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| 20:54.16 | cerealkill3r | Hello, I just did a fresh install of debian and my wifi isn't working. Lspci shows this : Network controller: Qualcomm Atheros Device 0042 (rev 30). I heard i have to upgrade my kernel (never done that) |
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| 21:00.08 | imeanmean | @jelly @hexnewbie jelly hexnewbie |
| 21:00.25 | imeanmean | http://paste.debian.net/plain/919698 |
| 21:00.36 | _jdccdevel | somiaj: Just FYI, I can confirm that the udev rules work for renaming network interfaces on Stretch. the Systemd link files didn't work for me, but I can't be sure it wasn't a problem with the file, since I haven't used a "link" file before. |
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| 21:02.48 | hexnewbie | imeanmean: dpkg --simulate --purge --force-remove-reinstreq telegram-cli |
| 21:03.08 | cerealkill3r | Could someone tell me what i have to do to upgrade my kernel *sorry for the newbie question |
| 21:03.56 | hexnewbie | imeanmean: If you're happy with what it says (maybe pastebin and ask here first), run it without --simulate. For more on the --force options, see âdpkg --force-helpâ. Be warned that remote-reinstreq is marked [!] - meaning, it can seriously damage your installation |
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| 21:04.52 | hexnewbie | imeanmean: I have obviously never ran anything of that sort, so I have no idea what --simulate will tell you, so maybe share first. Running it without --simulate may break your system, as warned |
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| 21:07.57 | hexnewbie | cerealkill3r: There's a new kernel in jessie-backports (4.9+79~bpo8+1), not sure if that's the solution for your wireless issue, though |
| 21:07.59 | hexnewbie | !backports |
| 21:07.59 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 21:09.04 | hexnewbie | cerealkill3r: Er, that omitted the important URL - https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
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| 21:12.08 | balor | If I set `net.ifnames=1` and move my usb wifi dongle between USB ports, will its device name change? I'm guessing yes. |
| 21:13.31 | cerealkill3r | hexnewbie, Added the backports to my sources.list, but when i run apt-get install linux-image-amd64/jessie-backports i recieve that it has unmet dependencies |
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| 21:14.26 | imeanmean | hexnewbie |
| 21:14.26 | imeanmean | http://paste.debian.net/plain/919700 |
| 21:14.30 | hexnewbie | cerealkill3r: What's the exact output of: aptitude -t jessie-backports install "linux-image-amd64" |
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| 21:15.14 | cerealkill3r | hexnewbie, It worked, i think I just upgraded it |
| 21:15.57 | hexnewbie | cerealkill3r: Do keep your 3.16 kernel around, in case you have trouble with the new one. Although that's a fresh install, so that doesn't count as a change of a working install |
| 21:16.20 | cerealkill3r | hexnewbie, I'll reboot and check if my wifi works, hope it does tho |
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| 21:19.01 | hexnewbie | imeanmean: Can you pastebin the output of: cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/telegram-cli.prerm; echo '----o-o-o----'; cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/telegram-cli.postrm |
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| 21:19.32 | spell | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:19.40 | spell | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:19.50 | spell | ssh: connect to host 192.168.1.89 port 22: Connection refused |
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| 21:19.58 | teraflops | spell: armbian is not debian⦠|
| 21:20.08 | spell | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:20.29 | imeanmean | sure hexnewbie, http://paste.debian.net/plain/919701 |
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| 21:23.33 | spell | traflops leaving out this feature what can i do? |
| 21:24.27 | F777 | hi. I've been meaning to install debian 2 (slink) on my laptop. for that I downloaded the CD isos from the archive. I dd'd the first ISO on a usb key but my laptop doesn't boot into it (I tried on two laptops in fact). The iso is not corrupt. What could be the reason? |
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| 21:25.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | iso images are for burning on CD, not for usb keys |
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| 21:26.05 | bazhang | CutMeOwnThroat, thats not correct |
| 21:26.06 | allizom | F777: earlier ISOs not being isohybrid maybe? So they can't boot from an USB drive |
| 21:26.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | at some point the images were made as hybrid images, that could boot from cd and from usb/normal media |
| 21:26.19 | hexnewbie | imeanmean: Extremely risky solution that will destroy the prerm script, try to uninstall, then manually clean up: sed -i 's/^/#/' /var/lib/dpkg/info/telegram-cli.prerm && dpkg --purge --force-remove-reinstreq telegram-cli && deluser --remove-home telegramd |
| 21:26.21 | F777 | ahh ok, probably that's the reason then |
| 21:26.23 | F777 | thanks |
| 21:26.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, hybrid image |
| 21:26.34 | dpkg | Since the 6.0 "Squeeze" release, Debian installation images for x86 systems - e.g. <netinst>, <CD1>, DVD1 - are hybrid images. These can be written directly to CD or HD Media (e.g. USB thumbdrive) without further preparation. See http://www.debian.org/News/project/2010/14/#hybrid for details. See also <install debian>, <usb install>. |
| 21:27.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | bazhang, if you say that, you might go to the bother of saying what exactly is not correct and what is correct instead |
| 21:27.26 | imeanmean | thanks hexnewbie, will try! |
| 21:28.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | because saying "that's not correct" is, as such, about as helpful as "it doesn't work" |
| 21:28.37 | imeanmean | thanks hexnewbie, looks working now :)! |
| 21:28.41 | imeanmean | why is risky solution? |
| 21:28.52 | imeanmean | thanks hexnewbie, looks working now :)! |
| 21:28.52 | imeanmean | why is risky solution? |
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| 21:30.29 | teraflops | spell: hard to say, if you setup your locales properly that should not have happened. since it's not debian who knows if that's related to armbian? |
| 21:31.35 | c-c | I have a very strange bug in debian jessie - synaptic is broken. All sources in sources.list & sources.list.d are http.debian.net or security.debian.org. $ apt-get install synaptic says "is already the newest version". On command line "synapt<tab>" autofills only "synaptic-pkexec". What on earth is going on!!!! |
| 21:32.32 | c-c | And what on earth is "synaptic-pkexec" |
| 21:33.49 | c-c | - apt-get purge synaptic && apt-get install synaptic doesn't help |
| 21:33.50 | hexnewbie | imeanmean: The --force-remove-reinstreq was documented as risky in itself (I presume something to do with prerm scripts), and you literally edited the prerm script to force it to not do anything - which seemed fine in this case, but may be very bad in other cases |
| 21:35.17 | hexnewbie | imeanmean: I suspect (but may be wrong), both the documented and undocumented risk here only concern more complicated packages that do complex things in postinst and prerm |
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| 21:35.38 | wwwutz__ | hi, I'm setting up a couple of debian systems with a central /home on NAS. autofs on wiki.debian.org only handles usb mounts, so I was wondering if there is a more suitable "auto-mounter" for network-/home's ? |
| 21:36.37 | hexnewbie | wwwutz__: Automount solutions are for removable drives. A network /home would simply be put in fstab and will be auto-mounted on boot. |
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| 21:37.04 | eumel | wwwutz__: are you sharing the /home share with nfs? |
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| 21:37.25 | hexnewbie | wwwutz__: You are probably able to add dependencies to make systemd wait for /home to be mounted, so your system wouldn't boot until it does. |
| 21:37.47 | wwwutz__ | nah, I want to get rid of the network mount when a user logs off. nfs or cifs .. whatever |
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| 21:38.43 | c-c | Ok, I found a solution, start synaptic with $ gksudo synaptic. For some reason required when on my other boxes not. |
| 21:38.44 | allizom | c-c that is expected behavior |
| 21:38.51 | wwwutz__ | I would use the kernel automounter, but maybe theres a more 'shiny' way 8) |
| 21:39.39 | eumel | wwwutz__: nfs mount in /etc/fstab should be fine for you |
| 21:39.48 | allizom | c-c: synaptic executable is in /usr/sbin |
| 21:40.13 | eumel | hexnewbie: shouldn't filesystems get mounted before systemd starts it's work? |
| 21:40.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | bazhang, ? |
| 21:40.15 | wwwutz__ | eumel: yes, but it wont unmount when there are no locks anymore. |
| 21:40.35 | allizom | c-c: when you run synaptic-pkexec you are just doing "pkexec /usr/sbin/synaptic" |
| 21:40.49 | c-c | allizom: for some reason my daily jessie desktop runs synaptic without gksudo. This confuse. |
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| 21:41.06 | hexnewbie | wwwutz__: Why do you want to unmount when the user logs out? |
| 21:41.51 | imeanmean | hexnewbie should I change prerm or is fine now? thanks for your help and explanation |
| 21:42.05 | hexnewbie | imeanmean: I suspect dpkg removed it |
| 21:42.15 | wwwutz__ | hexnewbie: keeping things clean. |
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| 21:43.00 | eumel | wwwutz__: is this supposed to be an environment for yourself or other users as well? |
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| 21:43.38 | hexnewbie | wwwutz__: OK, but if you use the same NFS mount for all the users, it would only be âcleanâ when the computer is not used â what am I missing? |
| 21:44.22 | wwwutz__ | eumel: well more or less "science". I'm playing around with debian and try to build up a system suitable for multiuser/cluster. |
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| 21:45.43 | wwwutz__ | hexnewbie: yes, in that case you're right. But I'm planning a setup which would be scalable for several /home-fileserver with users spread over the systems. |
| 21:45.50 | eumel | wwwutz__: sounds like a windows-like approach for user login with home directories located on a domain controller |
| 21:46.52 | hexnewbie | wwwutz__: You could create a systemd mount unit (man systemd.mount) for the users and have it start with their user@1000.service. |
| 21:48.01 | wwwutz__ | eumel: hmm... I don't think so. having different users with /home on different servers but a transparent /home, so you can login on any host and have the same /home is a common setup |
| 21:48.03 | hexnewbie | wwwutz__: If their home directories are named after their uid, that may even be somewhat easy. |
| 21:48.55 | wwwutz__ | hexnewbie: systemd.mount ... that's an interesting aproach. |
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| 21:49.34 | eumel | wwwutz__: i got you, hexnewbie's systemd idea sounds very interesting, i was thinking about some .bash_profile / .bash_logout thing .. |
| 21:49.58 | hexnewbie | wwwutz__: There's also a libpam-mount package, you may look at it also |
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| 21:50.42 | wwwutz__ | hexnewbie: ah, thanks for the inspiration, i'll have a look into that |
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| 21:54.18 | cerealkill3r | It didn't work, could someone help me update to the latest kernel using backports? |
| 21:54.22 | c-c | Ah well, now I can upgrade to stretch. Thanks for help allizom |
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| 21:55.03 | c-c | cerealkill3r: do you have backports in your sources.list |
| 21:55.25 | cerealkill3r | c-c, Yep deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-backports main non-free contrib |
| 21:55.47 | c-c | cerealkill3r: do you have a specific kernel package from there in mind? |
| 21:55.56 | cerealkill3r | No, I just want the latest one |
| 21:56.06 | cerealkill3r | Or something above 4.6 |
| 21:56.41 | cerealkill3r | I want to upgrade it because my wifi isn't working |
| 21:56.50 | c-c | cerealkill3r: look up the kernel version and try apt-get -t testing install linux-image-nnnnn |
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| 21:57.17 | c-c | cerealkill3r: first backup everything and prepare for ultimate disaster, though |
| 21:57.29 | cerealkill3r | c-c, Why would that be? |
| 21:57.46 | c-c | cerealkill3r: what if the install succeeds but the kernel doesn't work or boot |
| 21:57.51 | cerealkill3r | Right now I have 3.16, my wifi isn't working |
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| 21:58.08 | c-c | look up a kernel version in the release repo you want |
| 21:58.15 | cerealkill3r | I upgraded it half an hour ago and it didn't boot, I thought I messed up |
| 21:58.41 | c-c | also sorry, I misunderstood your intent. ignore my '-t testing' suggestion |
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| 21:59.14 | cerealkill3r | c-c, I don't know what exactly to do here. The main reason I'd want to upgrade my kernel is for my wifi to work. lspci output : Network controller: Qualcomm Atheros Device 0042 (rev 30) |
| 21:59.40 | c-c | cerealkill3r: did you try to install a firmware for it |
| 21:59.55 | cerealkill3r | c-c, No, did not find much online |
| 22:00.01 | ee | Hello boyz. I'm trying to isolate my computers internet connection from the rest of my network, but I'm abit confused what I need to do. I'm running a bridged router (acts as a normal modem) that has 4 LAN ports. The PC I'm isolating is directly connected to the modem while the rest of the network is connected to a router, wich is also connected to the modem. By directly connecting the pc to the modem am I already isolating it, or do I need to do s |
| 22:00.20 | c-c | cerealkill3r: install 'firmware-atheros' package. If it installs, reboot. |
| 22:00.48 | cerealkill3r | c-c, Thank you, will try now |
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| 22:02.09 | cerealkill3r | c-c, Did that, nothing changed |
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| 22:03.17 | c-c | cerealkill3r: did what, and what was the output, and how do you know nothing changed and what did you expect to change |
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| 22:04.53 | cerealkill3r | c-c, Installed the firmware-atheros package, it installed properly and then i rebooted |
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| 22:06.14 | c-c | cerealkill3r: so what is the hardware version of your atheros. Find out. Something like "AR0****" |
| 22:06.58 | c-c | cerealkill3r: then see, if it listed here: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/kernel/firmware-atheros |
| 22:07.13 | c-c | - if not, see if it is here: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/kernel/firmware-atheros |
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| 22:07.58 | c-c | Wow, upgrading from jessie to stretch is going to take a long time |
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| 22:08.48 | cerealkill3r | c-c, I'm pretty new, how do i find out what the hardware version is? |
| 22:08.57 | imeanmean | any good HTTP sniffer for debian? |
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| 22:09.11 | bazhang | sniffer? |
| 22:09.16 | mefistofeles | cerealkill3r: lspci might help |
| 22:09.21 | bazhang | imeanmean, why do you need that |
| 22:09.32 | allizom | c-c: I wouldn't use/install gksu/gksudo (they have been superseded and seem abandoned). The default way to require administrative rights for synaptic is "pkexec /usr/sbin/synaptic", which is equivalent to launching synaptic-pkexec |
| 22:09.47 | imeanmean | HTTP debuger/sniffer to inspect websocket requests of a website |
| 22:09.53 | ee | I need to leave, but if anyone can answer my question or link to some page that is readable for a rookie please just send me a priv msg. |
| 22:10.13 | imeanmean | (chrome has one built-in in Dev tools -> F12 but is hard to read responses there) |
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| 22:10.35 | c-c | cerealkill3r: use 'lshw'. if not installed, install it with $ sudo apt-get install lshw |
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| 22:11.45 | c-c | cerealkill3r: also you can try googling the name and see what the manufacturer of you wifi card has for download (firmware) |
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| 22:12.24 | jelly | imeanmean: mitmproxy? |
| 22:12.41 | imeanmean | thanks jelly, but mitm isn't able to debug websockets |
| 22:12.47 | jelly | oh, WebSockets, no idea if it supports em |
| 22:12.54 | imeanmean | (ws:// | wss://) |
| 22:13.05 | cerealkill3r | https://paste.debian.net/919708/ |
| 22:13.29 | cef | Anyone gotten GLX running with Intel Kaby Lake (i7-7700) inbuilt video? inxi -G tells me it's still using the Gallium (software) renderer. Disabling modesetting at kernel boot doesn't help. Installed `linux-image-amd64 xserver-xorg-video-intel libegl1-mesa libgl1-mesa-glx libgl1-mesa-dri firmware-misc-nonfree` pkgs from jessie-backports. Do I need to manually install firmware from Intel's 01.org site? Any ideas? |
| 22:14.20 | jelly | cef: I don't think you're going to get that running on jessie at all, even stretch is questionable |
| 22:14.24 | c-c | cerealkill3r: do you know its name & model |
| 22:15.09 | cerealkill3r | c-c, Let me check, dont think i'll find much tho |
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| 22:15.13 | c-c | cerealkill3r: also, can you paste $ lspci |
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| 22:15.52 | cef | jelly: ugh. :( |
| 22:16.18 | cerealkill3r | c-c, Here's lspci https://paste.debian.net/919709/ |
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| 22:16.50 | c-c | cerealkill3r: so it looks like it says 0042 |
| 22:16.58 | c-c | cerealkill3r: are you on Wheezy? |
| 22:17.07 | benjaminaxis | /amsg 1984+33=? English || Alfred Schaefer Speaks || https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfywkITR1-E || 1984 is here today. We have lost our ability to think and to speak clearly. || Those who do not want us to be able to think, do not want you to understand this. Please copy this video and upload again and share with all of the people you know. |
| 22:17.08 | cerealkill3r | c-c, Yes |
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| 22:17.57 | c-c | cerealkill3r: hm, that 0042 probably doesn't map directly to https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/kernel/firmware-atheros |
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| 22:19.12 | c-c | cerealkill3r: can you do $ lspci -nnk |
| 22:19.24 | rowdypiper | [1] 1984+33=? English (24:02) by Alfred S [+113/-4, 1380 views] [YouTube] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfywkITR1-E || Those who do not want us to be able to think, do not want you to understand this. Please copy this video and upload again and share with all of the people you know. |
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| 22:19.51 | cerealkill3r | c-c, https://paste.debian.net/919711/ |
| 22:20.03 | cef | jelly: I get 2D fine.. it's just 3D.. *sigh* |
| 22:20.17 | c-c | cerealkill3r: ok so no driver there |
| 22:20.38 | c-c | cerealkill3r: with the code in [ : ] you can google stuff up |
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| 22:21.02 | cerealkill3r | c-c, What should i do? |
| 22:21.16 | c-c | cerealkill3r: looks to me like you need to find "ath10k_pci" package |
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| 22:21.37 | c-c | cerealkill3r: I guess it may be in Debian Jessie or the manufacturer makes it |
| 22:21.54 | jelly | cef: eh... no, 3d is not "just 3d" |
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| 22:22.57 | c-c | cerealkill3r: So, you have enabled backports for wheezy? |
| 22:23.25 | tyron | Police Raid and my Confession by Alfred Schaefer || German Ministry of Thought Control had the "Kriminal Polizei" raid my house to steal all of my Computers and Storage devices to search for Forbidden Thoughts. || https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8mBgMaLVPc |
| 22:23.25 | cef | jelly: yeah i know.. the intel driver is using the chip though.. it just fails setting up GLX.. I do wonder if it's firmware. Oh well. Pastebin of Xorg.0.log, inxi -F and lspci -k here: http://paste.debian.net/919716/ |
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| 22:23.37 | cerealkill3r | c-c, Wait, I' running Jessie 8.7 |
| 22:24.14 | c-c | cerealkill3r: ok, so you have enabled backports for Jessie in sources.list? |
| 22:24.30 | c-c | (or via synaptic or some other way= |
| 22:24.36 | cerealkill3r | c-c, Ugh i have the wheezy ones |
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| 22:25.26 | c-c | cerealkill3r: yeah, in any case the wheezy firmware-atheron doesn't probably include the correct firmware for your device |
| 22:26.04 | cerealkill3r | c-c, Ok, added the jessie backports, should i update and install firmware-atheros again? |
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| 22:26.33 | c-c | cerealkill3r: yes, try that first |
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| 22:26.40 | somiaj | cerealkill3r: are you running a kernel from jessie-backports. Just installing the firmware from jessie-backports won't be enough, you'll most likely need a kenrel too |
| 22:26.50 | cerealkill3r | I'll try to reboot now |
| 22:27.18 | c-c | looks like kernel 4.2 doesn't support that Atheros 0042, but kernel 4.4 does. |
| 22:27.47 | somiaj | well the choices in jessie are either the offical 3.16 or the backported 4.9 kernels. |
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| 22:35.32 | BlueProtoman | I'm currently installing Debian, but the arcane means by which I'm remotely connected to the target server is *really* slow. Is it possible to ssh into an active Debian installer? |
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| 22:36.20 | somiaj | BlueProtoman: yes, but it requires someone to set this up, so you have to answer a few of the intial questions to run the ssh server, you can then complete the install over ssh |
| 22:36.34 | BlueProtoman | somiaj: That's fine, how can I do that? |
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| 22:36.55 | somiaj | BlueProtoman: here is a way to try it with a preseed file, https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Remote |
| 22:37.11 | BlueProtoman | 403 Forbidden |
| 22:37.12 | somiaj | https://blog.sleeplessbeastie.eu/2015/10/12/how-to-install-debian-remotely/ |
| 22:37.26 | somiaj | here is a nicer set of instructoins with screenshots |
| 22:37.30 | BlueProtoman | Thank you |
| 22:37.40 | somiaj | this isn't automatic, this requires you to do some stuff first. The preseed will be more automatic. |
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| 22:38.12 | BlueProtoman | If that needs another ISO it's too late for that |
| 22:38.19 | somiaj | nope |
| 22:38.41 | BlueProtoman | Huh? |
| 22:38.50 | somiaj | the preseed requires adding a preseed file the iso can find, but the offical debian installer should work just fine if you can do those initial steps to load the ssh server |
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| 22:38.59 | somiaj | you should be just fine using the iso you have |
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| 22:39.11 | BlueProtoman | Okay, sounds good, thanks! |
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| 22:47.24 | c-c | Ok, 45 minutes to get from Jessie to Stretch, including some time that I didn't notice popups/prompts |
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| 22:54.08 | dannyLopez | I have this problem try to connect ssh: http://pastebin.com/rub8JG5z |
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| 22:55.02 | somiaj | dannyLopez: deafult ssh config won't allow root to login via a password on debian. |
| 22:55.22 | somiaj | dannyLopez: check /etc/ssh/sshd_config for the options that disable this, or use a key for rootlogins |
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| 22:56.19 | dannyLopez | somiaj: I add this line PermitRootLogin yes, but don wors |
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| 22:56.44 | somiaj | dannyLopez: did you modify the other line in there |
| 22:56.59 | dannyLopez | No, just this |
| 22:57.18 | somiaj | I woudln't add a new line, I would change the line PermitRootLogin no to PermitRootLogin yes, is that all you did? |
| 22:57.44 | dannyLopez | http://pastebin.com/XLx3cbhZ |
| 22:58.18 | somiaj | that is /etc/ssh/ssh_config, I said /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 22:58.42 | somiaj | so remove that line from the client, and go modify tha tline in the sshd_config file, there is already a line that says no, just change it to yes, you shoudln't need to add a new line |
| 22:58.44 | dannyLopez | The line PermitRootLogin no, no exist, I add PermitRootLogin yes, to end |
| 22:59.07 | dannyLopez | Oh, oh |
| 22:59.09 | somiaj | again you are editing the wrong file |
| 22:59.13 | dannyLopez | Sorry, I have no glasses |
| 22:59.14 | somiaj | be more careful when you read |
| 23:00.37 | dannyLopez | Gracias somiaj, I go to diner. C 2morow |
| 23:00.57 | somiaj | make sure to reset the ssh server afterwards |
| 23:01.04 | cef | c-c: which method did you use? |
| 23:01.08 | somiaj | note allowing root to login via ssh is a very big security issue dannyLopez |
| 23:01.16 | dannyLopez | Yes, sure |
| 23:01.28 | somiaj | dannyLopez: bots are always tryign to crack root passwords this way, a key will be much more secure and easier to use. |
| 23:01.30 | dannyLopez | Is only local |
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| 23:02.16 | dannyLopez | And my pass is 10 alphanumeric and some capitals |
| 23:02.16 | c-c | cef: update stuff, /etc/apt/sources.list in vim :%s/jessie/stretcg/g (+wq), apt-get update etc a lot |
| 23:02.58 | c-c | cef: something happened, didn't install everything, synaptic + mark all upgrades, apply, wait, done |
| 23:03.10 | somiaj | dannyLopez: only local is good security, then your firewall is the weak spot, though generating an ssh key is not that hard and better than a 10 character password. |
| 23:03.21 | somiaj | https://xkcd.com/936/ |
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| 23:03.44 | dannyLopez | And, is only a test, sure I put a public key |
| 23:03.57 | somiaj | dannyLopez: that is fine, just trying to give some advise/knowledge. (: |
| 23:04.39 | n4dir | fail2ban and non-default port won't hurt too, as far ssh security is concerned |
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| 23:06.30 | cef | c-c: no probs.. sounds like it's worked for you.. have you rebooted yet? |
| 23:06.33 | dannyLopez | Is only with research purposes, somiaj always help me and I listel all U say, and all is a good advice. I appreciate it. :) |
| 23:06.53 | c-c | I wonder what is the '[' file in /usr/bin |
| 23:07.10 | c-c | cef: yes |
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| 23:07.28 | dannyLopez | C U 2morrow. |
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| 23:08.07 | cef | c-c: cool.. thinking with all my graphics woes.. it might be worth going to stretch to see if that might work any better. |
| 23:08.20 | cef | Speaking of which.... |
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| 23:08.53 | cef | Anyone gotten GLX with Intel KabyLake (i7-7700) inbuilt video? It's still using the Gallium (software) renderer. Already tried modesetting at boot. Installed `linux-image-amd64 xserver-xorg-video-intel libegl1-mesa libgl1-mesa-glx libgl1-mesa-dri firmware-misc-nonfree` pkgs from jessie-backports. Also firmware from Intel's 01.org site (not in firmware-misc-nonfree). Logs/info: http://paste.debian.net/919721 Any ideas? |
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| 23:10.11 | c-c | cef: 4.x kernel? |
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| 23:11.27 | somiaj | cef: have you seen if that video card is even supported in linux yet, that is the first thing I see is what kernel one needs. It could be support for it is only in staging in the current kernel trees |
| 23:12.14 | cef | c-c: 4.9 currently |
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| 23:12.48 | somiaj | cef: do you see the i915 module loading at all for that card? |
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| 23:13.01 | cef | somiaj: I'm guessing that's the issue. I might need to run something later.. that was why I was thinking of going to stretch: more likely to get it going later. |
| 23:13.27 | somiaj | well if it is related to the kernel not supporting that gpu yet, stretch won't help as the kernel is the same. |
| 23:13.46 | cef | somiaj: yes. Also included not just xorg in logs, but lspci -k and inxi -F |
| 23:13.51 | somiaj | If it isn't a kernel issue, stretch has the newer modesetting drivers that may help on the xorg side, but I would check to see what the 4.9 kernel is actually loading. |
| 23:14.04 | cef | somiaj: until it's released and they make backports available. :P |
| 23:14.24 | cef | Anyway, gotta go to work.. back later. |
| 23:14.39 | cef | thanks for all the responses. |
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| 23:16.06 | c-c | cef: make a small partition for stretch iso w/ all firmware, and boot into it to see if it works proper |
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| 23:22.11 | c-c | I have systemd on my computer, will I risk cancer? |
| 23:22.28 | c-c | runs and hides |
| 23:26.53 | n4dir | c-c: not exactly cancer http://suckless.org/sucks/systemd |
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| 23:29.12 | mandeep | doesnt stable use systemd? |
| 23:29.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 23:29.27 | mandeep | i guess i dont get the joke |
| 23:29.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's because it's not overly funny |
| 23:29.41 | somiaj | yes they are being off topic. Debian uses systemd by default, though allows one to use other init systems besides systemd. |
| 23:29.59 | mandeep | somiaj: thanks |
| 23:30.05 | c-c | n4dir: that belongs in #devuan |
| 23:30.36 | bezaban | !why systemd |
| 23:30.36 | dpkg | a tired argument. Start by reading rra's excellent analysis at https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2013/12/msg00234.html Support for other init systems (sysvinit) is still present in Debian 8. systemd-shimallows userspace requiring some systemd APIs to work without it. See <jessie sysvinit> if you have to delay or wish to avoid using it. |
| 23:30.41 | n4dir | well: i was not the one who came up with the subject. |
| 23:31.16 | n4dir | and c-c you got way more choices than devuan if you don't wanna use systemd |
| 23:31.29 | dax | that factoid has a typo, s/ systemd-shimallows/systemd-shim allows/ |
| 23:31.33 | dax | doesn't know how to edit dpkg |
| 23:33.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg =~ s/shimallows/shim allows/ |
| 23:33.15 | dpkg | CutMeOwnThroat: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 23:33.19 | somiaj | dpkg why systemd =~ s/systemd-shimallows/systemd-shim allows/ |
| 23:33.19 | dpkg | OK, somiaj |
| 23:33.27 | somiaj | !why systemd |
| 23:33.27 | dpkg | a tired argument. Start by reading rra's excellent analysis at https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2013/12/msg00234.html Support for other init systems (sysvinit) is still present in Debian 8. systemd-shim allows userspace requiring some systemd APIs to work without it. See <jessie sysvinit> if you have to delay or wish to avoid using it. |
| 23:33.41 | bezaban | :D |
| 23:33.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, forgot the factoid⦠was so focused on the weird order of =~ |
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| 23:39.43 | drm | when i run 'env' in a terminal i dont see 'npm' defined anywhere in my environment variables, yet when i run the command 'npm' everything works as expected. When i look in .profile, .bashrc, and /etc/environment i dont see 'npm' defined either. how does my bash terminal know where the command 'npm' is supposed to point to? |
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| 23:40.37 | n4dir | run "type npm" |
| 23:40.57 | babilen | drm: Your PATH .. use "whereis npm" and "which npm" and compare that to "echo $PATH" |
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| 23:44.31 | drm | ah ok, so does the PATH here refer to the PATH in .profile or .bashrc? |
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| 23:44.57 | drm | or are they just both read into the environment?\ |
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| 23:46.12 | n4dir | profile sources bashrc, at least in debian, so ... |
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| 23:51.47 | linuxthefish | hi, i just updated chromium to version 57 on debian sid but when trying to install extensions i get "installation is not enabled" |
| 23:53.22 | linuxthefish | all the workarounds say to set "export CHROMIUM_FLAGS="$CHROMIUM_FLAGS --enable-remote-extensions""" which i did but no luck |
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| 23:57.06 | ee | Is it possible to install debian without systemd? Or Is it enough to just uninstall it after installation? |
| 23:57.41 | linuxthefish | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=852398 grr it's annoying when package maintainers break stuff for no reason... |
| 23:57.42 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/852398 in chromium (closed): «chromium: option --enable-remote-extensions does work: extensions cannot be enabled nor be installed»; severity: important; opened: 2017-01-24; last modified: 2017-03-11. |
| 23:58.31 | n4dir | ee: as far i know you can only replace it after installation. There is a factoid how to do so ... probably !sysv or such |
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| 23:58.43 | dax | dpkg: jessie sysvinit |
| 23:58.43 | dpkg | To use an init system other than systemd in jessie, install the systemd-shim package (for logind) and remove the systemd-sysv package: aptitude install systemd-shim sysvinit-core systemd-sysv-. To stick with sysvinit for wheezy->jessie upgrades, follow the pinning advice in the release notes: http://deb.li/30Kby - See also <upstart> and <openrc> |
| 23:59.11 | dax | (and yes, you'd do that after a normal installation) |
