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| 00:01.58 | ee | Probably should start from the beginning then I guess. |
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| 00:02.25 | ee | http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/How_to_remove_systemd_from_a_Debian_jessie/sid_installation this will do it? |
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| 00:03.18 | n4dir | the factoid given by dax already told you how to do it. ee |
| 00:03.30 | ee | ye reading it now |
| 00:03.38 | n4dir | i tried both (they slightly differ) and both worked for me |
| 00:03.54 | ee | What was the difference and wich one did you prefer? |
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| 00:04.36 | n4dir | from the top of my head i don't recall. the link you gave does a bit more, iirc. I don't prefer any of the both (if i don't want to use systemd, i prefer different distros than debian) |
| 00:05.09 | n4dir | you are on the safe side if you follow the one given by the factoid. of course |
| 00:05.42 | ee | How can I be sure when they implement this as standard. |
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| 00:05.53 | n4dir | sure about what? |
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| 00:07.42 | ee | Since you said it does more the guide I sent so I assumed in a good way, but maybe it was in a bad way? What's the difference if you can explain? |
| 00:08.31 | n4dir | sorry, i can't really remember (i would need to read, but won't be any smarter than you if you read it ... :-) ) |
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| 00:10.34 | ee | Difference is that I do not understand it as well as you, but I guess I will need to read both and make my own decision :) |
| 00:10.41 | n4dir | well: it also avoids to install systemd-shim (and probably libsystemd0 or however it is called these days). My guess is in the long run that my lead to ... "problems" |
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| 00:12.37 | n4dir | debian packages (can) depend on systemd-shim. If you pin it, that are the problems i have in mind (by no means am saying "that is the way it is". Been too long i cared for it) |
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| 00:13.12 | dax | avoiding libsystemd0 is mostly impossible and completely pointless |
| 00:13.15 | n4dir | if it was me for now i would go to the way dpkg-factoid said (after considering if it is really worth the trouble to avoid systemd) |
| 00:13.22 | dax | so unless it's a very silly link, i doubt it recommends that |
| 00:14.06 | dax | you can do without -shim though, if your desktop environment doesn't depend on logind |
| 00:14.18 | n4dir | dax: i am not much in pinning, but to me it looks like it: |
| 00:14.22 | n4dir | echo -e '\n\nPackage: *systemd*\nPin: release *\nPin-Priority: -1' >> /etc/apt/preferences.d/systemd |
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| 00:25.08 | n4dir | think about for a bit what you just asked |
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| 00:26.58 | ee | I guess I missunderstood upgrade abit ^ It's my thing, question before think then ask more questions without thinking. |
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| 00:27.26 | n4dir | same here ... |
| 00:27.29 | ee | n4dir: what OS do you use? |
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| 00:27.47 | n4dir | mainly Slackware |
| 00:28.02 | n4dir | raspian on the raspberry pi, debian on the iMac |
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| 00:28.41 | n4dir | ppc, where you ain't got much options, as far i can tell (debian, gentoo, BSD*) |
| 00:29.40 | n4dir | and dragora ... |
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| 00:30.29 | OtakuSenpai | how do you add shortcuts in nautilus,shortcuts being those tht come after "HOME","PICTURES",MUSIC",etc |
| 00:31.33 | ryouma | no clue whatsoever, but in linux, a shortcut might refer to a symbolic link |
| 00:31.46 | OtakuSenpai | not a symbolic link |
| 00:31.47 | ryouma | (or not) |
| 00:31.54 | OtakuSenpai | a nautilus shortcut |
| 00:31.58 | ryouma | so like a launching thing/ |
| 00:31.59 | ryouma | ? |
| 00:32.12 | OtakuSenpai | yeah |
| 00:32.14 | ryouma | ok, never mind, somebody who is not clueless will answer |
| 00:32.24 | OtakuSenpai | right clicking on a folder doesnt show any option |
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| 00:36.08 | Xtopherus | how do you upgrade an installed version of apache to latest version ? |
| 00:36.13 | Xtopherus | if its not in the repo |
| 00:36.27 | OtakuSenpai | you backport |
| 00:36.40 | Xtopherus | i have jessie-backports in |
| 00:36.42 | OtakuSenpai | jessie backports must hav it |
| 00:36.50 | OtakuSenpai | ,v apache |
| 00:36.51 | judd | No package named 'apache' was found in amd64. |
| 00:36.59 | OtakuSenpai | idk the package name |
| 00:37.07 | Xtopherus | apache2 i guess |
| 00:37.25 | Xtopherus | i have 2.4.10 i need at least 2.4.11 to solve SSL issues |
| 00:37.33 | dax | ,v apache2 |
| 00:37.34 | judd | Package: apache2 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.2.22-13+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 2.2.22-13+deb7u8; jessie: 2.4.10-10+deb8u7; jessie-proposed-updates: 2.4.10-10+deb8u8; jessie-security: 2.4.10-10+deb8u8; sid: 2.4.25-3; stretch: 2.4.25-3 |
| 00:37.40 | c-c | apt search apache | less |
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| 00:38.11 | dax | heh, indeed no backport of it. fun. |
| 00:38.29 | Xtopherus | :( |
| 00:38.33 | dax | !ssb |
| 00:38.33 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 00:38.37 | dax | time for that, i guess ^ |
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| 00:38.48 | OtakuSenpai | you can also build your own package for it |
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| 00:40.38 | c-c | why not just dpkg -i *.deb in that text? |
| 00:41.22 | Xtopherus | will that overwrite and of my shit ? |
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| 00:52.13 | abff | does anyone have something for me to read or maybe look at to explain to me how pulseaudio and alsa do what they do and how they affect each other? even just a diagram would be great |
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| 00:54.55 | ryouma | abff: i can't help you with your question, but know that alsa works. i found that purging pulseaudio made everything work better. |
| 00:55.19 | ryouma | abff: i think alsa is lower level |
| 00:55.40 | abff | Yeah something like pulseaudio is for audio over the network, |
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| 00:55.58 | abff | Can alsa do per-application mixing? |
| 00:55.59 | mr-mister | hello, my debian laptop is freezing once every day. i believe it has to do with xorg which i am running, and maybe video decoding because oftentimes playing a youtube video leads to an eventual freeze |
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| 00:56.57 | mr-mister | the freezing is a lack of keyboard and mouse responsiveness, as well as cessation of audio but not video |
| 00:57.08 | mr-mister | video freezes but does not disappear |
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| 01:22.47 | mr-mister | if i'm experiencing xorg crashes should i switch from stretch to jessie? |
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| 01:30.51 | jsw_ | Couldn't hurt to try, even if just to see if it changes the behaviour? |
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| 01:35.46 | ryouma | downgrading is not supported. it took me 3mo to downgrade xorg long ago. |
| 01:36.05 | hassoon | g'night |
| 01:36.44 | gentz | will ze nick server let me speak? |
| 01:36.49 | gentz | I guess so |
| 01:37.02 | gentz | ignore that |
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| 02:22.40 | gentzy | correct me if I'm wrong, but if a redirect stdout and stderr to a file I shouldn't see anything? |
| 02:23.01 | ryouma | gentzy: not true |
| 02:23.09 | ryouma | there is also the terminal |
| 02:23.57 | gentzy | How would I hide it then? |
| 02:24.28 | gentzy | I'm getting "grep: foo: Is a directory" and I want it to disapear |
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| 02:24.30 | dvs | ??? |
| 02:24.36 | ryouma | that should be stderr |
| 02:24.43 | ryouma | and grep has an option to skip |
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| 02:25.03 | gentzy | Adding &> /dev/null isn't making it go away |
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| 02:25.25 | dvs | gentzy, because you have to add "2>&1" |
| 02:26.11 | AlexLikeRock | I love GNU |
| 02:26.11 | gentzy | Now i'm getting "xargs: grep: terminated by signal 13" |
| 02:26.12 | AlexLikeRock | <3 |
| 02:26.39 | ryouma | gentzy: wha tare you trying to do? |
| 02:26.56 | ryouma | xargs is pretty tricky |
| 02:26.59 | gentzy | I'm tring to find all files with the string "City: " |
| 02:27.07 | gentzy | "find . -name '*' | xargs grep "City: " -c | awk '!/:0/' 2>&1 ~/tst" |
| 02:27.18 | ryouma | grep -r is tricky too; consider gnu parallel |
| 02:28.06 | ryouma | gentzy: find . -type f -exec grep ... + or something maybe |
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| 02:28.20 | ryouma | read grep man page for dirs |
| 02:28.20 | gang | Anyone on? |
| 02:28.38 | dTal | nope |
| 02:29.05 | ryouma | gentzy: find . -type f -print0 | LC_ALL=C parallel --gnu -q -k -X account zmygrep -H -0 "$@" {} |
| 02:29.17 | dTal | nobody here 'cept us bots |
| 02:29.20 | ryouma | or, for me who does not care about newlines, the same thing without the 0 stuff |
| 02:29.25 | Spec | grep -rl 'City:' * |
| 02:29.57 | gang | My pc froze so I had to hold down the power button now I keep getting a black screen with a blinking curse, Any ideas? |
| 02:30.06 | ryouma | grep -r might or might not have issues with symlinks or so |
| 02:31.04 | ryouma | oops, i did not give you zmygrep, which is LC_ALL=C xzgrep -i --color=auto --devices=skip |
| 02:31.35 | Spec | so...: find . -type f -exec grep "City: " -l "{}" \; |
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| 02:32.48 | gentzy | Ryouma: gives "Error: Command line too long" |
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| 02:33.57 | gentzy | Spec: first one is perfect |
| 02:33.59 | ryouma | gentzy: try spec's command |
| 02:34.00 | gentzy | thanks |
| 02:34.35 | Spec | it does not handle compressed files so well if you need that |
| 02:34.45 | ryouma | aha, grep maybe fixed its symlink issue |
| 02:34.47 | Spec | you could -name "*gz" and zgrep/etc accordingly if that's a thing you need |
| 02:35.13 | gentzy | Nope, just was looking for things in *.c and *.h files |
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| 02:35.57 | Spec | -r "following symbolic links only if they are on the command line. " |
| 02:36.04 | Spec | whatever that means |
| 02:36.16 | Spec | -R " Read all files under each directory, recursively. Follow all symbolic links, unlike -r." |
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| 02:36.34 | Spec | maybe -r only follows symlinks if they're arguments provided to grep directly |
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| 02:37.09 | ryouma | there is a device called a dylos that has a serial port output. can you just read from an adaptor to get serial port data? |
| 02:37.21 | ryouma | Spec: yeah |
| 02:37.43 | Spec | you can use minicom to read from various serial devices, like ttyUSBs and so forth, if that's what you're looking for |
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| 02:42.02 | gang | My pc froze so I had to hold down the power button now I keep getting a black screen with a blinking curse, Any ideas? |
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| 02:44.30 | AlexLikeRock | do you restart to SAFE MODE ? gang ? |
| 02:44.38 | gentzy | Get your syslog or something? |
| 02:44.55 | gentzy | I keep a usb with ubuntu live right by py pc |
| 02:45.09 | AlexLikeRock | gang, ant start GRUB , choice "AVANCED OPTIONS" , select SAFE MODE |
| 02:46.29 | gang | AlexLikeRock I have sparklinux and I went to advanced options and choose the oldest kernal and I'm on it now |
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| 02:49.37 | gang | Any idea what went wrong and how to fix it? |
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| 02:50.35 | gry | gang check your logs. maybe already in syslog.1 rather than syslog, and other respective names. |
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| 02:53.36 | AlexLikeRock | gang, this channel its to support DEBIAN |
| 02:53.43 | AlexLikeRock | i dont now sparklinux |
| 02:54.04 | AlexLikeRock | but, what say gry , its good start |
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| 02:54.10 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:54.48 | gang | AlexLikeRock I'm 90% Sparkylinux is Debian |
| 02:54.53 | gang | What should I look for in the logs? |
| 02:55.16 | AlexLikeRock | are you at safe mode as i say ? |
| 02:55.19 | gry | oh sorry. sparklinux isn't supported here. or is it sparkylinux? |
| 02:56.15 | gry | you need to ask https://sparkylinux.org/forum/, it may be something they broke. we can't afford spending time investigating that. |
| 02:56.15 | somiaj | !sparkylinux |
| 02:56.15 | dpkg | SparkyLinux is a Linux distribution based on <testing>. It is not supported in #debian or #debian-next. http://sparkylinux.org/ See also <based on debian>. |
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| 03:02.38 | gang | AlexLikeRock I'm on an older kernal not safemode |
| 03:03.03 | gry | gang you two would need to visit ##linux or sparkylinux forum or private message. it is not supported in this channel |
| 03:03.28 | AlexLikeRock | http://askubuntu.com/questions/172319/how-can-i-start-in-safe-mode |
| 03:03.36 | AlexLikeRock | RECOVERY MOMDE |
| 03:03.58 | gang | Recovery gives the same black screen |
| 03:04.09 | AlexLikeRock | ok, |
| 03:04.21 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:04.29 | AlexLikeRock | do you now ??? |
| 03:04.30 | gry | AlexLikeRock: please |
| 03:04.31 | AlexLikeRock | that ? |
| 03:04.53 | gry | AlexLikeRock: it is not supported here. use ##linux or sparkylinux forum or private message |
| 03:05.39 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:05.42 | AlexLikeRock | bye |
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| 03:10.30 | gang | AlexLikeRock thanks |
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| 03:15.06 | AlexLikeRock | j/ #php |
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| 03:52.08 | brabo | gry: ohai thar |
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| 03:52.34 | gry | hey brabo :) |
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| 03:55.09 | brabo | how;s life on the south side? :) |
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| 03:56.20 | gry | it's ok. I am trying to get started with packaging things. learnt about alioth the other week. I keep trying to figure out how to get started with that and what is the review process for package updates. already read on some of the packaging things beforehand |
| 03:57.04 | brabo | cool :) |
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| 03:59.00 | hanasaki | What can you recommend for a home high speed router with 1000GB and wifi for the home / small business that works with debian clients and windwows? |
| 03:59.21 | gentzy | What's #debian-next for? |
| 03:59.44 | hanasaki | debian 9 |
| 03:59.44 | brabo | gentzy: testing/unstable as topic states |
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| 04:01.19 | gentzy | nvm |
| 04:01.26 | gentzy | OFTC network only |
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| 04:21.28 | krazzgal | "I've been aware of the Jew deception against humanity for several years now and although it seems hopeless at times, I've seen a huge awakening recently that gives me hope." || "You really say the words Alfred. This is your best, most daring video yet! You name the Jew and explain how they make the good guy the bad guy, and the bad guy the good guy. How they planed to exterminate the Germans, etc. I'm Tweeting this out. Well done!" |
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| 04:31.45 | nagchampa | what's the difference between the zlib1g and lib64z1 packages? |
| 04:32.07 | AlexLikeRock | X32 & X64 ? |
| 04:32.52 | nagchampa | except zlib1g includes amd64 builds |
| 04:32.54 | themill | nagchampa: multi-arch vs biarch |
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| 04:33.19 | themill | (as in, if stuff is using lib64z1 it's old, crufty, and should be updated) |
| 04:33.21 | AlexLikeRock | biarch ???? |
| 04:33.23 | AlexLikeRock | exist ? |
| 04:33.45 | gentzy | lib64z1 only has an i386 build |
| 04:33.50 | gentzy | the other has both |
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| 04:34.50 | nagchampa | themill: thanks |
| 04:34.53 | dax | gentzy: try again without a space in front :) |
| 04:35.02 | gentzy | ya |
| 04:35.04 | gentzy | opps |
| 04:35.29 | Insi22 | Loyality to jewishness is loyality to oppression and world domination. The only way to end jewish supremecy and oppression is for jewish women to race mix with black men. This is the only answer. israel also must transform and learn to become multicultural by race mixing with blacks and palastainans. |
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| 04:46.22 | AlexLikeRock | Gansta Debian >:-D |
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| 06:07.35 | mr-mister | how do i downgrade a package? |
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| 06:08.03 | gentzy | you can pin it |
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| 06:09.10 | mr-mister | i'm running xorg 1:7.7+18 and want to downgrade to jessie stable 1:7.7+7 |
| 06:09.50 | gentzy | put "Package: xorg(newline)Pin: release a=stable(newline)Pin-Priority: 1001(newline)" |
| 06:10.06 | gentzy | in your /etc/apt/preferences |
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| 06:10.19 | gentzy | then do apt update and apt upgrade |
| 06:11.01 | mr-mister | do i type the quotation marks |
| 06:11.09 | gentzy | no |
| 06:11.20 | gentzy | and replace the (newline) with a new line |
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| 06:11.34 | gentzy | (should be 3 lines) |
| 06:11.53 | gentzy | also, it might want to uninstall a ton of crap |
| 06:12.02 | gentzy | so dont blindly hit yes |
| 06:12.32 | mr-mister | nah, just chromium |
| 06:12.33 | mr-mister | which has tearing issues anyway |
| 06:12.54 | mr-mister | oh, wait |
| 06:13.07 | mr-mister | didn't want to uninstall anything as far as i can tell |
| 06:13.23 | gentzy | good |
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| 06:14.03 | mr-mister | still says 1:7.7+18 |
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| 06:14.20 | gentzy | did you do apt update and apt upgrade? |
| 06:14.26 | mr-mister | yeah |
| 06:14.30 | gentzy | hmm |
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| 06:14.42 | mr-mister | you put a (newline) at the end of the string |
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| 06:14.53 | mr-mister | so i just hit enter for a blank line |
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| 06:15.36 | gentzy | could you post the /etc/apt/preferences file? |
| 06:15.42 | gentzy | (in pastbin) |
| 06:16.05 | mr-mister | http://pastebin.com/6vjtfJy3 |
| 06:16.14 | mr-mister | i removed the 4th, blank line |
| 06:17.55 | gentzy | what does "apt-cache policy xorg" give? |
| 06:19.04 | mr-mister | could it be that i don't have the jessie repo in sources.list? |
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| 06:19.21 | gentzy | that would be nice ^.^ |
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| 06:20.39 | gentzy | I assumed you were running stable and accidentally put the stretch/sid packages into your system |
| 06:21.11 | mr-mister | i installed stretch by accident and now i'm in too deep |
| 06:21.19 | mr-mister | don't have time to reinstall |
| 06:21.32 | gentzy | err, your gonna pin more than stretch |
| 06:21.45 | gentzy | replace xorg with "*" |
| 06:21.47 | mr-mister | ? |
| 06:21.57 | mr-mister | more than xorg you mean? |
| 06:22.01 | gentzy | yes, sorry |
| 06:22.22 | gentzy | your gonna want to downgrade everything |
| 06:22.23 | mr-mister | will my system be broken if i don't do * ? |
| 06:22.44 | gentzy | generally mixing stable and stretch is bad |
| 06:22.50 | gentzy | better to use backports |
| 06:23.36 | mr-mister | brb |
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| 06:39.46 | xormor | https://www.cloudlinux.com/kernelcare-blog/entry/vulnerability-found-in-linux-kernels?campaign=KCFB-CVE-2017-2636 |
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| 06:41.58 | mr-mister | [02:26] <mr-mister> downgrading all the packages seems like it would break my system though [02:26] <mr-mister> or i might lose features that i'm used to [02:27] <mr-mister> i read that stretch is going to be stable soon maybe so once it is i could just stay on that [02:27] <mr-mister> i'm new to debian tbh [02:27] <mr-mister> the lingo is confusing sometimes [02:28] <mr-mister> but yeah, i got the right version after adding the |
| 06:42.07 | mr-mister | wrong channel :| |
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| 06:44.27 | gentzy | you could keep it on stretch |
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| 07:16.52 | gentzy_ | "Segmentation fault" |
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| 07:17.18 | gentzy_ | thanks for the clear mesage |
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| 07:19.51 | mr-mister | i can't confirm but believe seeing that aptitude wanted to downgrade 4 packages, pinning downgrades all dependencies too i guess? |
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| 07:22.28 | gentzy | you prob wanna pin either everything or nothing |
| 07:22.56 | mr-mister | dpkg -l | wc -l ==> 1722 though |
| 07:22.57 | dpkg | No packages found matching | wc -l ==> 1722 though |
| 07:23.11 | mr-mister | just seems risky |
| 07:23.55 | gentzy | well, debian doesn't support downgrading in the firstplace |
| 07:24.00 | gentzy | so it is risky |
| 07:24.27 | mr-mister | does apt dist-upgrade on jessie upgrade to stretch? |
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| 07:24.43 | gentzy | only if you have stretch in your sources |
| 07:24.48 | mr-mister | lol |
| 07:24.53 | gentzy | and preferences perfers stretch |
| 07:24.59 | mr-mister | i put stretch in my sources and then did that, because i saw 9 > 8 |
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| 07:25.09 | mr-mister | didn't know about testing/stable/etc |
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| 07:26.02 | mr-mister | when do you think stretch will become stable? |
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| 07:26.20 | gentzy | early 2018 is my guess |
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| 07:26.44 | gentzy | tbh, I'd just upgrade to debian sid (unstable) |
| 07:26.59 | gentzy | I've only seen 1 but in the last two months |
| 07:26.59 | mr-mister | why |
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| 07:27.14 | gentzy | its cutting edge |
| 07:27.32 | mr-mister | the latest xorg was crashing for me |
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| 07:27.34 | mr-mister | freezing* |
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| 07:27.49 | gentzy | did you check the log files? |
| 07:27.56 | mr-mister | yeah, no logs |
| 07:28.09 | mr-mister | only thing i can't rule out is a hardware failure |
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| 07:28.35 | mr-mister | syslog and Xorg.log.0 etc |
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| 07:28.50 | gentzy | How bout ~/.xsession-errors? |
| 07:29.04 | gentzy | and /var/log/messages |
| 07:29.09 | mr-mister | yeah checked those |
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| 07:29.31 | gentzy | was thier *no* logs or just nothing interesting |
| 07:29.37 | mr-mister | nothing interesting |
| 07:29.43 | mr-mister | everything seemingly fine |
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| 07:30.20 | gentzy | Sounds like what happened to my VMs when going from stable to sid |
| 07:30.28 | gentzy | not sure what caused it |
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| 07:31.53 | gentzy | Anyways, just backup all your files then pin everything to stable |
| 07:32.02 | gentzy | then run apt update |
| 07:32.08 | gentzy | then apt upgrade |
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| 07:32.15 | gentzy | then apt dist-upgrade |
| 07:32.21 | gentzy | and hopefor the best |
| 07:32.27 | mr-mister | i will if i experience any more freezes/ crashes |
| 07:33.09 | mr-mister | xorg somehow is acting nicer regularly now |
| 07:33.20 | mr-mister | noticeably better performance or it's in my head |
| 07:33.58 | gentzy | (some) games run faster to with the new mesa |
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| 20:29.47 | michelb_ | how do i save in vipw? |
| 20:30.00 | cerealkill3r | michelb_, Escape and write :w |
| 20:30.18 | greycat | Depends on which text editor it used. |
| 20:30.56 | michelb_ | vim |
| 20:31.21 | greycat | In that case, what cerealkill3r said. |
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| 20:31.51 | cerealkill3r | greycat, I installed the drivers from my graphics card and it now works, my wifi still doesnt |
| 20:32.00 | greycat | I don't know anything about wifi. |
| 20:32.56 | cerealkill3r | greycat, As in you can't help me with it or I haven't told you about my wifi issue? |
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| 20:33.40 | greycat | I do not know how to do wifi. |
| 20:33.51 | cerealkill3r | greycat, Alright, thank you so much for your time :) |
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| 20:35.33 | michelb_ | i still am root cause i don't get prompted for a password if i switch to root! but when i do idmichelb i get "not found" |
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| 20:36.28 | michelb_ | can i change uid and guid into whatever i want exept 0? |
| 20:36.50 | greycat | Changing the passwd file does not change the privileges of your *current* login. It changes your next login. |
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| 20:37.17 | michelb_ | ok i am logging out then |
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| 20:39.42 | michelb_ | nope stil uid and guid are 0 |
| 20:41.09 | greycat | What does "getent passwd michelb" say now? |
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| 20:42.08 | michelb_ | michelb:x:0:0::/home/michelb:/bin/sh |
| 20:42.56 | greycat | So you didn't change the line, or you didn't save it, or something. What text editor do you normally use? Which one do you actually *know* how to use? |
| 20:43.44 | michelb_ | normal i do gedit but that did not work. probably have to apt-get it first? i am very new at this stuff |
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| 20:44.07 | greycat | Christ. Which text editor do you use IN A TERMINAL? |
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| 20:44.22 | greycat | Do you not know how to use ANY text editors at all that aren't graphical? |
| 20:44.31 | michelb_ | nano |
| 20:44.36 | michelb_ | pico |
| 20:44.47 | greycat | OK, update-alternatives --config editor and tell it to use nano |
| 20:45.21 | greycat | Then the next time you run vipw, it should use nano instead of vim. (Unless you have set the EDITOR or VISUAL environment variable.) |
| 20:46.01 | michelb_ | cool i am learning here , like it. where can i find al this stuff? where is config editor? |
| 20:46.30 | greycat | man update-alternatives |
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| 20:50.08 | DK2 | http://abload.de/image.php?img=imag1185-107uwv.jpg |
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| 20:50.16 | michelb_ | weird stuff if i do nano vipw unreadable signs |
| 20:50.25 | DK2 | this screen appears after grub, any ideas? its happening with 5+ machines, so i exclude hw failure |
| 20:50.34 | greycat | I never told you to run the command "nano vipw" |
| 20:50.49 | michelb_ | oh ok |
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| 20:50.54 | greycat | If you want to override the alternatives system for a single invocation of vipw, you can use: EDITOR=nano vipw |
| 20:52.03 | jhutchins_wk | DK2: It looks like a lilo error screen. More likely grub2, possibly it can't find your boot drive. |
| 20:52.27 | jhutchins_wk | DK2: Is that a translatable word it's displaying? |
| 20:52.44 | cerealkill3r | jhutchins_wk, I got 4.9 to work, it was a problem with my graphics card drivers. Wifi still isn't working tho |
| 20:52.58 | DK2 | jhutchins_wk no its gibberish |
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| 20:56.59 | jhutchins_wk | cerealkill3r: I saw that in the scrollbuffer. Disappointing. |
| 20:57.31 | jhutchins_wk | cerealkill3r: The driver was actually merged quite a while back, but it could be you have a newer version of the chipset. You did grab the backported firmware, right? |
| 20:57.43 | cerealkill3r | jhutchins_wk, Yes |
| 20:57.56 | cerealkill3r | Remember it said something about ath9k |
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| 20:58.37 | jhutchins_wk | I'm out for the trip home. Might spend some time on google. I don't think I'd run the installer from github yet. |
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| 20:59.13 | michelb_ | greycat, Swap file "/etc/.passwd.edit.swp" already exists! |
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| 20:59.50 | greycat | That means your old editor is still running somewhere. Possibly you used Ctrl-Z to suspend it instead of saving and exiting. |
| 21:00.18 | michelb_ | ok i trie again |
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| 21:01.38 | blawiz | anyone know of a 4chan reader (pref for the terminal) that can easily be installed on debian stretch? |
| 21:01.41 | paxcoder | Hi. How come a package (libdispatch) is available for stable and unstable, but not for testing? |
| 21:02.22 | paxcoder | oh and oldstable too, everything but testing... |
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| 21:02.52 | greycat | !why isn't libdispatch in testing |
| 21:02.53 | dpkg | libdispatch is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=libdispatch |
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| 21:03.11 | paxcoder | OS-19881: easy |
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| 21:05.24 | greycat | Crap, that one still says last modified july 4. |
| 21:05.44 | paxcoder | greycat: it's actually https://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=libdispatch0 (or -dev) |
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| 21:05.56 | paxcoder | But I see no reasons |
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| 21:06.32 | greycat | Damn it, does anyone have one that's NOT showing last modified jul 4? |
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| 21:07.35 | greycat | And yes, it is showing the reason "libdispatch has new bugs!" but that may be from July 2016. Or maybe not, who the hell knows. |
| 21:07.40 | paxcoder | Anyway "has new bugs" leads to no bugs (automatically filtered by severity though) |
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| 21:08.23 | paxcoder | So I'm none the wiser. For once, your bot foo failed :) |
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| 21:09.40 | paxcoder | Now I have to remember... |
| 21:09.42 | paxcoder | !pinning |
| 21:09.42 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at https://web.archive.org/web/20121017070250/http://carlo17.home.xs4all.nl/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. https://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 21:10.09 | paxcoder | -_- |
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| 21:10.22 | paxcoder | googles debian pinning |
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| 21:11.12 | georgia | Does anybody know how the cruft package works? I can't tell from its output which files I should have and which I shouldn't. |
| 21:11.15 | michelb_ | it worked :) |
| 21:11.23 | michelb_ | thanks very much |
| 21:11.53 | michelb_ | where can i learn al this stuf. i just typ man something? |
| 21:12.37 | paxcoder | michelb_: i don't know who you're addressing |
| 21:12.42 | paxcoder | *m |
| 21:12.56 | georgia | ... |
| 21:13.10 | michelb_ | greycat |
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| 21:13.28 | greycat | man pages are a good starting point, yes. Any time someone gives you a command, that command *should* have a man page. |
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| 21:13.38 | greycat | Otherwise, you can ask here. |
| 21:14.19 | georgia | I've seen the man page. it lists options and arguments but doesn't explain the output files "cruft less" generates |
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| 21:15.00 | michelb_ | okay cool. i began lpic learning but seem that it is out of date. i was learning about hal dbus udev etc... but seems that hal does not exits anymore. where can ik find the new accurate stuff? |
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| 21:19.18 | georgia | for example: what does must_DIVERSIONS mean? |
| 21:19.49 | georgia | do I need install the files listed in it, are they corrupted, changed, can I delete them? |
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| 21:21.09 | greycat | ,info cruft |
| 21:21.10 | judd | Package cruft (admin, optional) in jessie/amd64: program that finds any cruft built up on your system. Version: 0.9.19; Size: 101.6k; Installed: 289k; Homepage: http://alioth.debian.org/projects/cruft/ |
| 21:21.26 | greycat | I would imagine it is generating a listing of things that it considers "cruft". |
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| 21:23.23 | georgia | right, but I don't have some of those things, so do I need to install them? |
| 21:23.40 | greycat | That would make zero sense. |
| 21:23.41 | JyZyXEL | # echo "0000:01:00.0" > /sys/bus/pci/drivers/vfio-pci/unbind |
| 21:23.43 | JyZyXEL | bash: echo: write error: No such device |
| 21:23.50 | greycat | Give an example of one of these "things". |
| 21:24.10 | greycat | !confirm |
| 21:24.13 | greycat | bah, ECHAN |
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| 21:26.10 | georgia | hmmmm. actually those files I didn't have were the originals to broken symlinks |
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| 21:29.00 | georgia | so you're right about that. but how do I know they are actually cruft? |
| 21:29.18 | georgia | and not just broken files that need fixing? |
| 21:29.34 | paxcoder | Would anyone know what the relation is between libobjc-6-dev (the package) and libobjc2 (the project)? |
| 21:30.04 | greycat | georgia: by looking at them. |
| 21:30.22 | paxcoder | Or better yet, libobjc2 vs libobjc4 |
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| 21:31.13 | georgia | but it says it's cruft |
| 21:31.28 | georgia | woops previous post didn't post |
| 21:31.48 | georgia | why wont it let me post it? |
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| 21:32.15 | georgia | .. |
| 21:32.27 | georgia | slash etc slash lsb-release is listed as cruft but it looks important |
| 21:32.41 | greycat | Heh. |
| 21:32.44 | georgia | there we go. I guess the problem was the slash |
| 21:32.54 | greycat | This is why you look at each one instead of blindly automating their removal. |
| 21:33.09 | georgia | That's why I came here :) |
| 21:34.31 | georgia | (slash)etc/systemd/system/display-manager.service |
| 21:34.35 | georgia | also looks important |
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| 21:39.34 | georgia | and should I be fixing symbolic links instead of deleting them? Right now I'll delete localizations, I'll come back if I'm really stuck. Thankya kindly. |
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| 22:06.06 | bin_bash | a lot |
| 22:06.25 | bin_bash | but it also depends on what each session is doing |
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| 22:43.56 | AciD` | am I missing something? I created a Debian 8 usb key, insert it in a computer on which I changed the BIOS boot order. When I start the laptop it shows me the debian menu, I choose 'Graphical install', and then after asking for the language, it get stuck in a loop searching for 'Detect and mount the CD'. Since the usb key is not a CD, what's happening here? |
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| 22:46.02 | AciD` | the same thing happens when choosing 'Install', obviously |
| 22:46.29 | petemc | how did you create usb? |
| 22:47.28 | AciD` | with dd |
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| 22:53.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's a jessie image? |
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| 22:55.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | gn |
| 22:55.30 | AciD` | CutMeOwnThroat -> yes |
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| 22:56.23 | AciD` | unfortunately, installing in an a very old eeepc 1001px means the `live (amd64)` entry only result on an infinite flickering debian logo |
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| 22:56.45 | AciD` | I'd prefer to not have to launch the live entry, and just use the install/graphical install |
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| 23:20.56 | init7 | BRR! ty bo torte me FloRenTina |
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| 23:25.55 | AciD` | anyone? |
| 23:26.19 | mtn_ | anyone what? |
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| 23:29.06 | zykotick9 | AciD`: i'd suggest trying the non-Live version (netinst/cd1/dvd1) |
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| 23:43.55 | AciD` | zykotick9 -> I'll take a look thanks (though without much hope ; as far as I remember, Debian installations done with a usb key always have had this problem :?) |
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| 23:53.24 | freeroute | hello, I want to basically make a bootable USB stick but not like a live environment. Not sure how it's called. Usually you'd just dd the iso onto a USB stick, but I want to make it so that I'll make the usb stick ready with already debian pre-installed. I think I have to partition the stick and do installation manually. |
| 23:53.43 | freeroute | I don't know if I'm explaining it stupidly but if so please forgive me. |
| 23:54.00 | abff | persistentence? |
| 23:54.21 | abff | so the usb can boot into debian and also have a persitent fs on it for file storage? |
| 23:54.59 | freeroute | yeah, so like the main debian install on your HDD but on the USB stick |
| 23:55.52 | abff | https://www.linux.com/blog/creating-debian-live-usb-flash-drive-persistence-non-techies |
| 23:57.16 | abff | The link at the end of the first paragraph should be able to cover any extra options you feel is missing in the guide |
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