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| 00:10.26 | ws2k3 | is there a syslog-ng-mod-python for wheezy? |
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| 00:11.05 | gavit | ericnoan: ubuntu + kde = kubuntu |
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| 00:12.40 | crash_ | ws2k3: it seems that jessie has the package but not wheezy what i can finds |
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| 00:12.59 | ws2k3 | crash_ hmm okay strange |
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| 00:13.46 | ericnoan | gavit: yes, that is certain. but my question is, does the x, l, and kubuntu add any "special sauce"? |
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| 00:30.20 | gavit | ericnoan: it's better tested to work together than you probably will bother to (tweaks etc) |
| 00:30.33 | ericnoan | hmm i suppose |
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| 00:50.19 | oty | hey. I've got a question about GPG : i don't get what brings "singin" to the table. Obviously "signing" means you have the private key. But for encoding something also proves you have the private key. So I don't get the point of signing. :x |
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| 00:56.21 | sypher | oty: Google is your friend. "PGP signing vs encrypting", one of the first results: http://blogs.mdaemon.com/index.php/encrypting-vs-signing-with-openpgp-whats-the-difference/ |
| 00:56.38 | oty | sypher, Google is actually not my friend. |
| 00:56.46 | oty | Thanks sypher |
| 00:57.39 | oty | okay |
| 00:57.45 | awal1 | :) |
| 00:57.46 | oty | It doesn't answer to my question :( |
| 00:58.06 | sypher | oty: Yes, it is, and yes, it does. |
| 00:58.16 | oty | Well sure, signing guarentee data intergirty, non repudation, proof of the origin... |
| 00:58.19 | oty | but |
| 00:58.29 | oty | so does an encrypted message. |
| 00:58.32 | oty | Right ? |
| 00:58.38 | sypher | oty: No. |
| 00:58.41 | oty | Why no ? |
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| 00:59.01 | sypher | oty: I don't need a private key of my own to encrypt a message to you. Encryption means that you're the only one who can read it. This is called "confidentiality." |
| 00:59.10 | sypher | oty: ANYONE can encrypt a message to you, and you have zero assurance of the source. |
| 00:59.16 | oty | Well |
| 00:59.52 | oty | I disagree, only the one with the private key can encrypt a message that I can decode with a public key I'm sure is right. |
| 00:59.54 | oty | No ? |
| 01:00.11 | sypher | oty: No. You might be sure, but that doesn't make you right. |
| 01:00.38 | twistero | Other way around |
| 01:00.40 | sypher | oty: The function of asymmetric cryptosystems like RSA is extremely well documented. |
| 01:01.05 | oty | So what you are saying is anybody can encrypt a message that I would decod with a public key he does not have the private key corresponding ? |
| 01:01.12 | sypher | oty: By the way, encrypting with the private key and decrypting with the public key is exactly how signing works, not encryption. |
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| 01:01.26 | oty | +which |
| 01:02.01 | oty | whaaaat. |
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| 01:02.34 | oty | What the hell. |
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| 01:04.25 | abff | You're thinking of symmetric encryption where bob and alice share a key |
| 01:04.35 | oty | I am not. é_è |
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| 01:10.04 | sypher | oty: In short: "Encryption" encrypts data using the sender's public key, such that only the sender's private key can decrypt it. "Signing" encrypts a hash of a message with the sender's private key such that it can be decrypted by anyone holding the sender's public key. This validates the sender because that public key can only decrypt signatures made by the matching private key. |
| 01:11.11 | oty | sypher, just got it |
| 01:11.27 | oty | I mixed something along the way it seems. |
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| 01:14.32 | oty | I don't know why I was convinced that encrypted messages were all encrypted with the private key of the sender no matter what, so that the recipient could check the sender's origin. Guess I mixxed the two concepts as you said. |
| 01:15.37 | oty | Ahhh. I was so confused. Dammit. |
| 01:16.03 | sypher | oty: Crypto isn't really a simple thing. :) |
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| 01:16.23 | sypher | oty: People who think it is generally screw it up massively anyway. |
| 01:16.35 | oty | I find it quite simple, playing with the metaphor of the key and the lock with a color for recipient/sender |
| 01:16.52 | oty | But let a few years pass without practice, and all is confused again é_è |
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| 01:17.52 | oty | ahm |
| 01:17.57 | oty | guess I do that :D |
| 01:18.26 | oty | thanks anyway |
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| 03:46.33 | karlpinc | somiaj: Humm. When I use wpa_supplicant in "roam" mode, and I have a local access point with no password( and I'm running jessie) what happens is that I am associated with the access point when I bring up the (logical) roam interface. But nothing happens with dhcp. I have to use wpa_cli and disable_network and then enable_network before I get an address assigned with dhcp. Is this expected? |
| 03:47.54 | somiaj | I don't think so, some times I won't connect to the network and have to openup wpa_gui to tweak it, but most the times it works. |
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| 03:48.03 | karlpinc | (I bring the logical interface up with "ifup wlan0=foo".) |
| 03:48.32 | karlpinc | I wonder if it's racy or if I'm doing something wrong. I've repeated the problem a few times. |
| 03:49.42 | somiaj | I think you should be able to get it to automatically assoicate correctly |
| 03:51.19 | karlpinc | somiaj: It does associate. What it does not do is get an IP address with dhcp. I explicitly set id_str to "default", then made a default in the interfaces file that uses dhcp to get the address. But (again) it only works when I manually disable and then enable the network. |
| 03:52.23 | karlpinc | The one thing that does happen is that when I manually enable the network I get attempts to associate with other access points (which fail) before assocating with mine (which also has no password). |
| 03:52.51 | karlpinc | I'm not sure what happens when I do ifup, whether it then also tries to associate with these other access points and fails. |
| 03:53.22 | Rusty1_ | does dmesg offer any clues? |
| 03:53.57 | karlpinc | I don't _really_ care at this point. I kinda have a grip on what I need to do, in the general case, to use wpa_cli to associate. But I do like to know what should happen (and maybe file a bug report if there's an issue.) |
| 03:54.55 | somiaj | I do know there is some config/setting to deal with if you use wpa_cli or wpa_gui to modify things to have it actually wrtie it to the wpasupplicant.conf file used |
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| 03:55.40 | karlpinc | Rusty1_: Grrrr. dmesg is polluted by a whole lot of "drm: intel_pipe_..." seemingly related messages. I can't tell if it helps. I think I get these all the time and have never noticed. |
| 03:56.00 | karlpinc | somiaj: Yah. That I don't care so much about and have not frobbed the knob. |
| 03:56.50 | Rusty1_ | karlpinc: anything ipv6 related in dmesg? |
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| 03:58.59 | karlpinc | Rusty1_: Any clue how I'd grep for that? There's way too much in there, and I seem to get these "pipe" messages constantly. |
| 03:59.36 | Rusty1_ | karlpinc: dmesg | grep ipv6 , i suppose |
| 04:00.02 | karlpinc | Rusty1_: Nope. |
| 04:00.04 | popsch | Every 7-10 days, our SAN device connected via point-to-point on debian just craps out. the logs say that it got offlined "Result: hostbyte=DID_ABORT driverbyte=DRIVER_OK". has anyone an idea of what the problem might be? we did reinstall a clean version of debian. the SAN itself doesn't report errors. all disks are ok. |
| 04:01.11 | popsch | after that the SAN can no longer be pinged from the machine. after rebooting the machine and mounting the SAN, everything's going fine for another 7-10 days |
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| 04:03.11 | karlpinc | popsch: Anything in dmesg? |
| 04:03.48 | karlpinc | popsch: ECC RAM? Tried running memtest86++_on it for 12 hours or so? These are just thoughts. |
| 04:04.05 | popsch | I have ECC RAM according to dmidecode |
| 04:04.30 | popsch | karlpinc, how do I read old dmesg? |
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| 04:06.29 | popsch | karlpinc, here's a snippet of journalctl log: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/xrYVa6xL8IYh0lcJj-hQMl5M1UNdIGYhyRLivL9gydE= |
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| 04:09.26 | karlpinc | popsch: You pretty much don't read old dmesg content. It's in ram and goes away. There's something you can do with bootlogd to record what shows on the console, which is often useful. But I forget the details. (I recall something about having to frob a config in /etc/default for bootlogd, but that could be stale info.) |
| 04:09.29 | mtcj | I have a project that collects statistical data (x,y pairs) and puts them into a file for each of anywhere up to 26K data series per run. |
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| 04:10.41 | mtcj | Lots of small files. Is there anything I can do to in the mkfs side of things maximize my disk availability? |
| 04:11.11 | mtcj | So far it's been CSV files |
| 04:11.26 | karlpinc | popsch: I'm not getting anything back at that url? Does it require javascript? Maybe use paste.debian.net instead. (But also, I'm not the one to ask about SAN problems. Just poking your problem with a stick.) |
| 04:11.30 | mtcj | I'm not committed to it though if there's a more efficient way to store the daya |
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| 04:12.36 | mtcj | Within 20 or so hours I'm generally at 1 GB and over 100K files. |
| 04:12.37 | popsch | karlpinc, http://paste.debian.net/922013/ |
| 04:12.41 | karlpinc | mtcj: Make sure you have enough inodes to store lots of small files. You could also decrease the block size so you don't waste space. But that could well be counter productive. |
| 04:12.45 | popsch | paste.debian.net is much nicer :) |
| 04:13.35 | mtcj | karlpinc: I was worried about inodes, but so far it seems to be fine. I'll look into block size options |
| 04:14.43 | Dagger | check `df -hi /path/to/fs` for inodes |
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| 04:15.20 | mtcj | Yeah. inode usage seems to be tame compared to disk usage. |
| 04:15.21 | Dagger | running out of inodes is never fun. at least I now have nagios checking for low inodes and not just low disk space (guess why) |
| 04:15.34 | mtcj | :) had a bad time huh |
| 04:18.33 | Dagger | and as for ideas, tar+lz4 old files would probably help a lot, if it's viable for you |
| 04:19.15 | mtcj | The files do need to be accessible to a web frontend that creates graphs |
| 04:19.39 | mtcj | At least the way I'm doing it now |
| 04:19.41 | Dagger | I use ZFS most places these days, and it can compress files transparently (but individual files don't compress as well as a tarball of the same files, of course) |
| 04:20.23 | mtcj | I also have I/O problems with this system |
| 04:20.47 | mtcj | I've been running it in a ramdisk but ultimately I think that's not scalable |
| 04:21.10 | Dagger | (and at 10k per file the 4k allocation block size starts to be a problem too) |
| 04:22.01 | mtcj | I'm trying to find a balance between getting all the data I can and finishing each data collection within a time limit |
| 04:22.20 | mtcj | I should check if recent changes I made negate the original need for the ramdisk |
| 04:22.40 | Dagger | you might just need a proper database though. there's stuff that's designed to ingest tons of time series data |
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| 04:23.15 | mtcj | Yeah this is all super primitive |
| 04:23.22 | mtcj | Tons of stuff that needs worked oit |
| 04:23.50 | Dagger | not that I have any recommendations, and it would be hard to give any without knowing what you're doing, but if you need the performance then that's probably where you need to go |
| 04:25.12 | mtcj | I'm collecting data from an API every 15 minutes, that data is the viewers on a live stream |
| 04:25.43 | karlpinc | popsch: I'm not seeing any answers leap out at me. You could also try searching bugs.debian.org and/or file a bug. |
| 04:26.56 | popsch | karlpinc, it's really strange. the machine has a lot of RAM, so I'll run memtest for a while now. nevertheless, I'm wondering whether the iscsi code is stable in the linux kernel |
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| 04:27.41 | Dagger | mtcj: would sqlite work? |
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| 04:28.31 | karlpinc | popsch: You'd think so. It's been there a really long time. But the first google hit on your "Device offlined" log entry gets a 2016 RedHat issue that I didn't try to look at because it requires some kind of login or another. |
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| 04:29.16 | karlpinc | popsch: If you've ecc ram I'd think there'd be some record of a ram problem. |
| 04:29.19 | mtcj | Dagger: tough to say |
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| 04:30.00 | karlpinc | mtcj: It does not sound like RDBMS sort of data. Unless it is, and you're collecting it in hunks that are _way_ too big. |
| 04:30.01 | mtcj | I also think I may benefit from rewriting the app in C++ instead of bash calling external commands. |
| 04:30.16 | popsch | karlpinc, I'm running the SAN fully loaded for these 7-10 days. atop always reports the device to be 88-100% busy. so I'm definitely not giving it an easy time. |
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| 04:31.38 | mtcj | karlpinc: I don't know that using a database to store two column CSV is going to be efficient whether adding or displaying daya |
| 04:31.39 | karlpinc | popsch: There's also the notion that the log entry is right. There's some sort of glitch that's timing out on the SAN. Or maybe a switch or something in-between. Is it physically wired with a crossover ethernet cable? |
| 04:32.06 | popsch | karlpinc, physically wired with a crossover Ethernet cable |
| 04:32.49 | popsch | karlpinc, fsck just completed. found no errors |
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| 04:33.20 | popsch | so I think it's on the debian side and not the SAN |
| 04:33.53 | karlpinc | popsch: If you unplug and replug the cable does it ping again? (Just thinking of various levels of poking at the system.) |
| 04:33.54 | Dagger | mtcj: if you're just after graphs and don't need to keep high resolution data for the entire range, there's rrdtool |
| 04:34.19 | mtcj | I'd like the graphs to be interactive using dygraphs so far |
| 04:34.23 | karlpinc | Dagger: Something else is supposed to be "newer" than rrdtool these days. But I can't recall what. |
| 04:34.35 | karlpinc | Dagger: (Or if it's really better.) |
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| 04:36.05 | karlpinc | popsch: Unplugging and re-plugging the cable pokes at the network stack. and maybe the network card. |
| 04:36.09 | popsch | karlpinc, can't do that now. will test it when I'm next to the machine. So far on the list is: check SAN logs, run memtest, check cabling, check auto-reconnect |
| 04:36.14 | Dagger | I'd give it a go, whatever it is. rrdtool ought to be awesome but I generally find it's a pain to deal with |
| 04:36.28 | Dagger | especially since I like keeping data forever, which it explicitly doesn't do |
| 04:36.54 | karlpinc | popsch: If you can't ping, then that points to a network level problem. |
| 04:37.06 | popsch | yes, I know that once the issue happens, I cannot ping the machine anymore |
| 04:37.37 | karlpinc | popsch: If you still can't ping after the unplug/re-plug then plug the san into some other box and see if that pings. If not, then the problem is at the SAN end. |
| 04:37.41 | popsch | (machine == SAN) |
| 04:38.13 | popsch | karlpinc, if the issue occurs, I can reboot the machine (not the SAN) and everything works fine again |
| 04:38.40 | popsch | karlpinc, so I think it's an issue with the machine. |
| 04:39.32 | karlpinc | popsch: That might be the equalivent of unplugging and re-plugging the ethernet cable and that could reset something at the san end. Not likely, necessarily, just saying. |
| 04:40.15 | popsch | karlpinc, should the SAN and iscsi be able to handle a temporary disconnection? |
| 04:40.56 | karlpinc | popsch: I don't really know. My understanding is there's some sort of timeout and it depends on what "temporary" is. But I don't have a real understanding, just a converstaion with an iscsi designer a decade ago. |
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| 04:42.21 | popsch | karlpinc, it should up to some timeout. but I know that when the issue occurs, then I cannot ping the SAN at all anymore. if I can then get everything to work without rebooting the SAN (and thus resetting it's network stack) I'm quite confident that the issue is with the network stack (or iscsi) of debian |
| 04:42.34 | karlpinc | If you're not pinging. It's not really an ISCSI problem. It's a overall network problem. (I'd look at the arp table, just to see what you can see. I'd expect the mac address of the SAN to go away if you're not pinging. Likewise, the interface should be up ...) |
| 04:43.15 | popsch | have to wait for the issue to arise again |
| 04:43.20 | karlpinc | popsch: Could be something physical in the nic. Or a leak in it's driver. (Odd, since you'd think it'd turn up otherwise.) |
| 04:43.22 | popsch | (or try disconnect/reconnect tomorrow) |
| 04:44.13 | karlpinc | popsch: Lordy, you'd also want to be sure both the Debian box and the SAN are grounded. I've seen wacky stuff when the grounds are off. |
| 04:45.34 | karlpinc | popsch: Once you can't ping you wonder what happens if you power off and on the SAN. Can you ping then? What would happen if you plugged the nic into something besides the SAN. (without rebooting) Would it ping then? |
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| 04:46.34 | karlpinc | popsch: You must have more than one nic on the Debian box. What happens if you switch them and use a different one for the SAN? |
| 04:46.55 | popsch | karlpinc, yes, will try that once the issue comes back. The only problem is: last time the issue appeared, it corrupted all the data on the SAN |
| 04:47.06 | popsch | karlpinc, I have multiple NICs, but they are in use |
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| 04:47.24 | karlpinc | popsch: You could still switch their configurations and their use. |
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| 04:47.35 | popsch | karlpinc, but you raise good points. yes, I'll try switching them |
| 04:47.55 | popsch | karlpinc, it's just that each time it takes 7-10 days with a possible full data corruption to try out something |
| 04:48.04 | karlpinc | popsch: These are things to try. Google does not help either? |
| 04:48.12 | karlpinc | popsch: Understood. |
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| 04:48.35 | popsch | karlpinc, no, only found the redhat thing the last time it happened and as you pointed out, you need an enterprise support subscription for that |
| 04:48.45 | karlpinc | popsch: Try again here during US business hours. Often there's more expers here then, either from Europe after-hours or US daytime. |
| 04:49.03 | popsch | thanks a lot for the ideas and help |
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| 04:49.19 | karlpinc | popsch: Do search bugs.debian.org. |
| 04:50.18 | karlpinc | popsch: You probably won't be able to run memtest86++ because that requires you take the box offline. (You want to run it long enough to bring everything up to running temperature.) |
| 04:50.56 | popsch | I can (and possibly) will take the machine offline. restoring the databases from dumps alone takes 3 days |
| 04:51.32 | popsch | karlpinc, so I rather take the machine offline for 2-3 days to rule out a memory problem is the reasonable thing to do |
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| 04:52.29 | popsch | on a different note: (I hate journalctl) How do I see old logs with journalctl? It says that the log started (after the last reboot) just 1 hour ago. there must be other logs around. |
| 04:52.33 | karlpinc | popsch: I don't know offhand what logs when you get an ecc memory problem. I'd have thought something. But maybe only in dmesg. |
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| 04:53.39 | karlpinc | popsch: That has leaked out of my brain. I've tried to configure so logs are actual log files, and journalctl only looks at them. |
| 04:54.54 | popsch | karlpinc, dmidecode reports for the memory: "Error Correction Type: Multi-bit ECC" |
| 04:55.19 | popsch | karlpinc, so it must be really a catastrophic memory failure |
| 04:56.51 | karlpinc | popsch: Try installing mcelog |
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| 04:58.22 | karlpinc | popsch: Look into the nic driver. Do a "pciid -nn" as root. Then, here in irc "/msg judd pciid XXXX:XXXX". It'll tell you the driver. Then look at the driver options or google for problems with the driver. |
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| 04:59.01 | karlpinc | popsch: Driver options in the linux source "Documentation" dir. |
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| 05:00.08 | karlpinc | popsch: Is it _really_ a crossover ethernet cable or are you relying on the nics to auto-detect? (Something else to look at.) |
| 05:00.39 | popsch | karlpinc, well you make me question my network admin on whether he really used a crossover cable |
| 05:00.53 | popsch | karlpinc, but why would it work for 7-10 days? |
| 05:01.05 | karlpinc | popsch: Some sort of memory leak on the card itself. |
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| 05:01.50 | popsch | weird, I have update-pciids but not the program pciid |
| 05:02.27 | karlpinc | popsch: In the pciutils package. |
| 05:02.45 | popsch | karlpinc, that's already installed |
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| 05:03.05 | karlpinc | popsch: My brain is tired. "lspci -nn" |
| 05:03.07 | popsch | yes |
| 05:03.08 | karlpinc | popsch: Sorry. |
| 05:03.10 | popsch | just found that |
| 05:03.23 | karlpinc | Quitting now. |
| 05:03.33 | popsch | thanks a lot |
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| 05:34.05 | mtcj | I've got a bit more information. I have a large number of files- upwards of 100K- and each is less than 4K until it is updated 195 times. |
| 05:34.41 | mtcj | Does this mean modifying my block size to be smaller would extend my disk space usability? |
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| 06:00.05 | slink | how do i get systemctl to recognize changes to /etc/default/bind9 (e.g. re-generate unit files) |
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| 06:10.45 | rjsalts | slink: systemctl doesn't need to know about that, the systemd unit may include a reference to /etc/default/bind9, but it's not directly related to systemd |
| 06:11.03 | rjsalts | slink: restarting the unit will suffice |
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| 06:11.21 | slink | rjsalts: thank you. i figured it out, i edited the .unit file directly and did reenable, and restarted bind9 |
| 06:11.33 | slink | i just wanted to make sure to do it right |
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| 06:12.58 | rjsalts | slink: if you've edited a unit file, then you will need to do systemctl daemon-reload |
| 06:13.12 | slink | apparently not |
| 06:13.26 | slink | well, doing 'restart' found the changes, and named is checking for my chroot now |
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| 06:15.29 | rjsalts | slink: /lib/systemd/system/bind9.service is what you edited? |
| 06:15.40 | slink | yes |
| 06:15.50 | slink | and i did sytemctl reenable bind9.service, systemctl restart bind9 |
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| 06:16.01 | slink | and it seemed to work (although i am working on permission problems since i copied my chroot dir from my old server) |
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| 06:16.30 | rjsalts | weird |
| 06:16.54 | slink | bind 30913 0.4 3.9 168160 20236 ? Ssl 06:16 0:00 /usr/sbin/named -f -u bind -t /usr/named |
| 06:16.59 | somiaj | you don't really want to edit /lib/systemd/system files, these will get overwritten with package upgrades. Make a copy and put it in /etc/systemd/system |
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| 06:17.09 | slink | k, didn't know, ty |
| 06:17.19 | slink | still very new to systemd |
| 06:17.20 | somiaj | or just include the changes you want in the /etc/systemd/system file, I hear that is better than copying the whole unit |
| 06:18.40 | slink | nope it needs the whole thing |
| 06:18.47 | slink | The unit files have no [Install] section. They are not meant to be enabled |
| 06:18.47 | slink | using systemctl. |
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| 06:19.52 | darxmurf | hi all |
| 06:19.56 | slink | hello |
| 06:20.32 | somiaj | just something I heard in passing from a good source here, don't know the details. |
| 06:21.42 | slink | appreciate the help, thank you |
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| 06:32.25 | DMJC | abff: I fixed the trackpad |
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| 06:32.52 | DMJC | looks like the issue was caused by an apple mac ACPI setting being kept when I migrated to this hardware from my work macbook. |
| 06:33.00 | DMJC | works great! |
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| 08:07.14 | mender27 | somiaj, karlpinc: I managed to migrate from FreeBSD to Debian with my ZFS setup yesterday. |
| 08:08.42 | mender27 | somiaj, karlpinc: apparently, the ZFS on Stretch/Testing was compatible fully with the one on FreeBSD 11-RELEASE and I was not using any super special tricks on FreeBSD to make later transitions harder. I just had to use a transition directory to move stuff around, because Debian prevents "overmounting" system directories if they're non-empty. |
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| 08:30.48 | no_gravity | These days, what's the best virtual machine to use on Debian? Virtualbox? |
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| 08:37.14 | jolt | no_gravity: Depends on the usecase. I really like kvm for full virtualization, or lxc-containers when you just want to run another linux system but don't need the isolation |
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| 08:37.36 | jolt | no_gravity: but if it's for desktop users, then vbox has a nice UI and everything packaged |
| 08:38.00 | no_gravity | jolt: Well, I just want to try these images Microsoft provides: https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/tools/vms/ |
| 08:38.02 | themill | virt-manager |
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| 08:49.23 | jolt | no_gravity: The easy route is vbox I would say |
| 08:49.47 | no_gravity | jolt: Yeah, I think so too. Thank you! |
| 08:50.49 | tdn | After upgrading from debian 7 to 8, the package 'db5.1-util' is kept back. How do I find out why this is kept back? I assume that this is something I need to fix? |
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| 08:52.26 | MaxFrames | hello |
| 08:52.45 | jolt | tdn: did you run apt-get dist-upgrade again? |
| 08:52.53 | jolt | Sometimes stuff get stuck |
| 08:52.55 | tdn | jolt, yes |
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| 08:53.55 | tdn | jolt, this is when it tells me that it is being kept back |
| 08:54.04 | jolt | Ah. Then no idea from my end |
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| 08:57.01 | MaxFrames | I'm preparing a wheezy virtual machine for the upgrade to jessie and I am reviewing its state to try and ensure a smooth upgrade; if I launch aptitude in visual mode and hit "g" I get a long list of "unused packages to be removed": should I go ahead and remove them? can I rest assured they are actually not in use? |
| 08:57.23 | MaxFrames | it's 247 packages (!). I've always used apt-get, never used aptitude. |
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| 08:59.52 | jelly | MaxFrames: inspect the list, only you as the admin can say if you use any |
| 09:00.07 | MaxFrames | hi jelly |
| 09:00.32 | MaxFrames | as you can see, I've decided that I will upgrade the distribution rather than install the backports kernel |
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| 09:00.46 | MaxFrames | I would have to do it anyway sooner or later |
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| 09:01.04 | jelly | well you have a VM. Take a snaphost and try things out. |
| 09:01.12 | MaxFrames | yes |
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| 09:01.44 | jelly | can't spell before the first coffee |
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| 09:03.00 | MaxFrames | never mind, I can't read before the first coffee so I'd read "snapshot" as intended :D |
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| 09:17.10 | mender27 | jolt: do you use lxc-containers on a daily basis? |
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| 09:21.27 | lep | when do prefix a command with "sudo" |
| 09:21.36 | lep | are you "doing that command as root" |
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| 09:22.08 | jolt | mender27: Yeah. I run test stuff at work, and at home I run a couple of smaller ones for misc services, like openhab (don't want to clutter my system with java etc) |
| 09:22.21 | lep | also, why is it when i make a directory with sudo, i cant access it |
| 09:22.40 | rgr | you can. |
| 09:23.00 | MaxFrames | I've let aptitude remove all the packages it had marked as "unused" |
| 09:23.04 | jelly | lep: root can access it. |
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| 09:23.54 | MaxFrames | now I'm at the stage of checking the state of installed packages with "dpkg --audit" and I have a few packages that need to be reinstalled because the md5 checksum is missing in the database |
| 09:23.55 | jelly | lep: you need to set unix permissions and ownership if you want other user(s) to be able to access |
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| 09:24.30 | MaxFrames | what's the correct method for reinstalling them, and will their configuration be retained (one of them is dhcp3-server)? |
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| 09:24.41 | lep | thank you jelly, your squishy body has been of great use to me |
| 09:25.17 | mender27 | jolt: I was so far running FreeBSD jails via ezjail and don't know how well established are LXC containers in the Linux community. |
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| 09:26.25 | jelly | MaxFrames: dhcp3-server is just a transitional package in wheezy and may be safely removed. isc-dhcp-server is the real deal |
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| 09:26.48 | MaxFrames | thanks |
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| 09:27.11 | rgr | any views on putting ~/.config into dropbox so I can share config parms across almost two identical machines or a recipe for disaster? |
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| 09:27.50 | pi_ | hi every one |
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| 09:27.53 | mender27 | Erm, does anyone know where is the apt/dpkg database located? I know it's not in /var/db and I cannot seem to find any note of it in the manpages. |
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| 09:28.58 | jelly | mender27: /var/lib/dpkg, /var/lib/apt |
| 09:29.20 | themill | if you want to know, that's a bad sign ;) |
| 09:29.25 | rgr | var/lib/apt/lists I think |
| 09:29.35 | rgr | +1 |
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| 09:30.13 | balor | I'm running Debian 8 on ARM, rasbian in particular. If I pass "net.ifnames=1" to the kernel on bootup I still get `wlan0` as my wifi iface name. Am I missing some step to enable the newer interface naming scheme? |
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| 09:30.37 | jelly | !raspbian |
| 09:30.37 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 09:31.12 | balor | jelly, Thanks. Am aware of that. I'll ask there. I had thought this was more of a debian policy issue than rasbian implementation. |
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| 09:35.09 | pi_ | my raspbian are very slow . because of my is 1 GO . rpi3 is what it is ? |
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| 09:36.35 | mender27 | themill: why is it a bad sign? |
| 09:37.45 | mender27 | jelly: thanks a lot. Is there a specific reason why it's not in /var/db? I thought that's the standard Unix directory for databases. |
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| 09:38.27 | themill | mender27: these are not places the user (or admin) should be poking unless they already know what they are doing (in which case, they wouldn't need to ask ;) |
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| 09:39.16 | mender27 | themill: well, I am administering the system myself. I just wanted to make sure any tinkering with my ZFS pool will not damage dpkg/apt vitals. |
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| 09:40.40 | mender27 | themill: as in, I would keep bits that cannot be regenerated on the system drive and all of the variable parts in the ZFS pool. |
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| 09:41.38 | mender27 | themill: FreeBSD allowed a clean-cut separation of what the system is, not sure whether I can recapitulate it in Debian :(. |
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| 09:42.38 | themill | different definitions of "system" don't help that |
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| 09:43.09 | mender27 | themill: yeah, I realized it yesterday when importing the pool and now again when thinking of the directories I moved |
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| 09:45.26 | mender27 | themill: I think I'll need to relearn a couple of things to better understand the Linux way of doing stuff. |
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| 09:50.39 | mtcj | I think FreeBSD refers to it as "base" as in base system. Debian also refers to it as base system. |
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| 09:56.10 | tdn | After upgrading from debian 7 to 8, the package 'db5.1-util' is kept back. How do I find out why this is kept back? I assume that this is something I need to fix? I have tried running apt-get dist-upgrade again. This is when it tells me that it is being kept back. |
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| 09:57.06 | themill | what happens if you try to remove it (or explicitly install the jessie version)? |
| 09:57.16 | themill | I have vague recollections about that one |
| 09:59.41 | mender27 | mtcj: yes, there are quite some parallels between FreeBSD and Debian. One of the reasons I chose Debian as my Linux distro :). |
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| 10:00.31 | mender27 | mtcj: I'm just trying to figure things out now, especially concerning the filesystem hierarchy so that in case things go wrong, I can always recover the base system. |
| 10:05.44 | mender27 | Hmm...in principle Debian can live without the /usr/src dir, right? |
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| 10:06.32 | mender27 | Or is it required for kernel related things during standard system operation? |
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| 10:10.58 | themill | mostly only used for building out-of-tree kernel modules |
| 10:11.09 | themill | (apt-file search -l /usr/src) |
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| 10:26.47 | det19 | Hello, has anyone succeeded in installing guix on Debian and got it working? |
| 10:26.58 | tdn | themill, if I try to do apt-get install on it, I get: The following packages will be REMOVED: libdb5.1 libdb5.1-java-jni libpython2.6 python2.6 python2.6-dev python3.2 |
| 10:27.08 | tdn | themill, does that seem right? |
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| 10:31.24 | themill | tdn: python2.6 and python3.2 aren't in jessie so yeah |
| 10:31.28 | tdn | themill, ok |
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| 10:32.23 | tdn | themill, thanks |
| 10:32.29 | themill | np |
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| 10:49.53 | MaxFrames | after editing the sources to point to jessie, I've run "apt-get update" followed by "apt-get upgrade" (planning to run "apt-get dist-upgrade" afterwards) but I got an error |
| 10:50.13 | MaxFrames | I will pastebin it, I hope someone can help me sort it out |
| 10:50.20 | babilen | dpkg: paste |
| 10:50.20 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 10:50.37 | MaxFrames | I forgot to delocalize the output unfortunately, sorry :( |
| 10:51.24 | MaxFrames | http://pastebin.com/LUz89wqN |
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| 10:53.16 | themill | upgrading from what to what? |
| 10:53.26 | MaxFrames | wheezy to jessie |
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| 10:54.53 | sCiphre | Hey guys. I have a strange issue: incrond ( in wheezy and jessie ), runs my tasks once and then ignores future events. I tried the upgrade to jessie, but didn't notice incrond was abandonware at that time. Systemd is an option, but I was hoping not to change this stuff to units yet. Any idea why ? All scripts exit cleanly with "exit 0". Logs and cronfile: http://pastebin.com/6xLmZq0f . If i service incron restart, then everything works... until |
| 10:55.46 | themill | MaxFrames: I'm guessing /usr/sbin is missing from PATH |
| 10:56.12 | MaxFrames | forewarning: lame questions ahead |
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| 10:56.28 | MaxFrames | how do I make that sure, and if that is the case, include it in path? |
| 10:56.39 | themill | it should be in root's path |
| 10:57.24 | sypher | MaxFrames: Decided to go that route, huh? |
| 10:57.28 | MaxFrames | yes |
| 10:58.01 | MaxFrames | I would have to upgrade eventually so might as well do it now |
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| 10:59.16 | MaxFrames | to see if it's in the path, do I "sudo echo $PATH" ? |
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| 10:59.43 | babilen | MaxFrames: Please do us a favour and use a different pastebin such as http://paste.debian.net, https://gist.github.com, http://sprunge.us, ⦠|
| 10:59.52 | MaxFrames | babilen: ok |
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| 11:00.48 | babilen | MaxFrames: Are you following the instructions on https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html ? |
| 11:01.24 | MaxFrames | yes and I am at step 4.4.4 |
| 11:01.34 | MaxFrames | which is where the error occurred |
| 11:01.45 | themill | MaxFrames: $PATH is expanded before sudo or echo run |
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| 11:01.54 | babilen | Which version of "install-info" is that currently? What does "apt-cache policy install-info" give you? |
| 11:02.36 | MaxFrames | installed is "4.13a.dfsg.1-10", candidate is "5.2.0.dfsg.1-6" |
| 11:02.44 | sypher | MaxFrames: Uh, did you do a system update BEFORE trying to upgrade to jessie? I remember you had about 180 out of date packages. |
| 11:02.54 | themill | MaxFrames: are you running this via sudo? |
| 11:03.06 | MaxFrames | sypher: that has been fixed before trying the upgrade |
| 11:03.16 | MaxFrames | themill: yes |
| 11:03.27 | themill | MaxFrames: have you fiddled with the sudo configuration? |
| 11:03.37 | MaxFrames | not that I can recall |
| 11:03.58 | MaxFrames | anyway, /usr/sbin is not in the path currently |
| 11:04.08 | babilen | Could be the sudo path issue |
| 11:04.57 | MaxFrames | should I "su" instead of "sudo"? |
| 11:04.58 | sypher | MaxFrames: "sudo -i" to get an actual root shell, and then try again. |
| 11:04.59 | themill | MaxFrames: sudoers would normally define secure_path |
| 11:06.00 | mender27 | I think in Debian the regular user does not have access to a couple of system directories per his/her standard path. |
| 11:06.05 | MaxFrames | ok, after "sudo -i" it will be just "apt-get upgrade", right? |
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| 11:06.20 | themill | MaxFrames: check PATH first |
| 11:06.34 | sypher | MaxFrames: And no. |
| 11:06.43 | themill | You'll probably need an "apt-get -f install" first |
| 11:06.44 | MaxFrames | $PATH now does include /usr/sbin |
| 11:07.11 | sypher | Well, per the manual, yes "apt-get upgrade" first. |
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| 11:07.32 | themill | not if apt has failed like that |
| 11:07.40 | sypher | themill: Ah, true. |
| 11:07.42 | mender27 | Quick one - I was thinking of reading the Debian Administrator Handbook. It is worth the time and are some of the details there portable to other GNU/Linux distributions or is it just for Debian? |
| 11:07.44 | sypher | MaxFrames: ^ What he said. |
| 11:07.55 | MaxFrames | I've done what themill said |
| 11:08.10 | MaxFrames | and now apt-get upgrade... let's see |
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| 11:09.38 | babilen | dpkg: sudo path |
| 11:09.38 | dpkg | As of sudo version 1.8.2 (Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later releases), sudo does not include /usr/sbin and /sbin in the PATH. You must set secure_path in /etc/sudoers (as prompted by dpkg during the upgrade); see Debian bug #639841: Defaults secure_path="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin" |
| 11:09.40 | babilen | btw |
| 11:09.51 | MaxFrames | got it |
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| 11:10.20 | MaxFrames | I somehow didn't notice the prompt |
| 11:11.03 | babilen | mender27: It is definitely worth your time, but focusses on Debian. Aspects that pertain to the Debian packaging system won't help you on boxes that don't use it though. |
| 11:11.12 | themill | !factinfo sudo path |
| 11:11.12 | dpkg | sudo path -- created by themill <~stuart@unaffiliated/themill> at Wed Sep 7 10:21:20 2011 (2018 days); it has been requested 79 times, last by babilen, 1m 34s ago. |
| 11:11.22 | themill | I knew I'd written that down somewhere... |
| 11:11.51 | babilen | serves as external memory |
| 11:11.58 | themill | \o/ |
| 11:12.15 | mender27 | babilen: thanks a lot for your input :). I'll then try to skim through it and focus on points of interest. |
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| 11:14.00 | mender27 | I'm off for now, got loads of work to do :). |
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| 11:16.32 | BluesKaj | Howdy folks |
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| 11:24.04 | MaxFrames | :( once again an error... but this time I have no way to tell what happened |
| 11:24.28 | MaxFrames | it went smooth till near the end, then just "W: the operation was aborted before completion" |
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| 11:24.37 | MaxFrames | and I am back to the root prompt |
| 11:24.58 | themill | rerun apt-get -f install and pastebin the whole thing |
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| 11:25.45 | MaxFrames | these anyway are the last few lines http://paste.debian.net/922196/ |
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| 11:27.11 | MaxFrames | this is the output of "apt-get -f install", it lists a few unneeded packages but other than that it says "0 updated, 0 installed, 0 to remove and 742 outdated" |
| 11:27.31 | MaxFrames | this is after issuing "apt-get upgrade" (I still have to run "apt-get dist-upgrade") |
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| 11:30.38 | MaxFrames | the last message before the error was "processing menu triggers" |
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| 11:31.53 | MaxFrames | "Processing triggers for menu" is the correct translation... then the error |
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| 11:34.45 | MaxFrames | and the error translation should be "W: operation was interrupted before it could finish" |
| 11:35.02 | MaxFrames | gosh... I know what happened |
| 11:35.36 | MaxFrames | during the upgrade, I was asked to review the differences between the currently installed version of an ini file and the default one, so I hit "D" to review them |
| 11:35.50 | MaxFrames | then by mistake I hit ctrl+c to exit (instead of :q) |
| 11:36.14 | MaxFrames | nothing happened, so I exited with :q and the whole thing went on, until the end |
| 11:36.19 | MaxFrames | then this error appeared |
| 11:36.31 | MaxFrames | so I guess I'm fine? |
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| 11:50.43 | MaxFrames | I must have used up my daily quota of lame questions :P |
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| 11:56.24 | MaxFrames | well, on a positive note today's bofh issue is epic. |
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| 12:11.26 | lakada | hello HELP ! >> Xlib: extension "XInputExtension" missing on display ":1". |
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| 12:20.22 | lakada | >> Xlib: extension "XInputExtension" missing on display ":1". |
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| 12:22.29 | jelly | lakada: which debian release is this |
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| 12:22.43 | jelly | lakada: is :1 your local console session or what |
| 12:23.29 | jelly | MaxFrames: after that happens, run dpkg --configure -a, run apt-get -f install, then redo the actual command you did |
| 12:23.55 | jelly | aaand you were already told all of that |
| 12:23.55 | lakada | umm |
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| 12:24.10 | lakada | Debian 8.7 minimal |
| 12:24.32 | jelly | lakada: it's not that minimal any more if you got X running? |
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| 12:24.40 | jelly | !ask |
| 12:24.40 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 12:25.13 | lakada | putty console -> but same error when i try it with tightVNC with KDM |
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| 12:26.51 | stoned | Good morning |
| 12:27.26 | Iridos | I fear that the user HELP isn't here right now⦠|
| 12:27.51 | Guest60518 | Good evening |
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| 12:29.13 | d3xter | hey guys |
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| 12:29.40 | lakada | whow i can solved the issues |
| 12:29.49 | d3xter | is there any way to "simulate" fullscreen for a specific window? i want to run firefox in fullscreen-mode (without any bars) and still have lxpanel at the bottom |
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| 12:31.37 | persiandrugs | d3xter: tried wmctrl? |
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| 12:32.02 | davetk | oops :p |
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| 12:39.47 | petn-randall | !tell d3xter -about crosspost |
| 12:39.59 | petn-randall | !tell d3xter -about raspbian |
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| 12:43.40 | plaindave | I've tried about 4 different times to get my computer to boot up to Debian installer, to no avail. I've used Ubuntu to create a bootable disk, and I've used Windows 10 also. Nothing seems to work. I've gone into my BIOS settings and made sure that my thumbdrive is at the top of the list in the boot sequence. It always works with any flavor of Ubuntu, but not Debian. Any advice would be appreciated. |
| 12:44.22 | petn-randall | plaindave: Are you booting in legacy BIOS or UEFI mode? |
| 12:44.35 | plaindave | I don't know. sorry. |
| 12:44.38 | petn-randall | plaindave: Also, how did you create the images? |
| 12:44.57 | plaindave | I used both ubuntu and Win 10 |
| 12:45.08 | persiandrugs | Do you know what model your motherboard is dave? |
| 12:45.26 | plaindave | no, I don't. It's a Dell laptop. |
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| 12:46.02 | persiandrugs | Oh, in that case. What model laptop? |
| 12:46.05 | petn-randall | plaindave: I mean, which tools did you use to create the bootable disk? |
| 12:46.24 | plaindave | Inspiron 15 |
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| 12:46.43 | BluesKaj | was W10 installed on the laptop when you bought it. plaindave? |
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| 12:47.15 | plaindave | I used Startup Disc Creator in ubuntu, and Rufus in Win10 |
| 12:47.34 | persiandrugs | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=122209 |
| 12:47.51 | MaxFrames | ok, so I've upgraded this VM to jessie, and then installed the hyperv-daemons, but live migration is still failing |
| 12:48.07 | petn-randall | plaindave: Ah, those are both tools know to create problematic images. |
| 12:48.14 | petn-randall | !win32diskimager |
| 12:48.14 | dpkg | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show Debian .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details. |
| 12:48.22 | plaindave | okay |
| 12:48.46 | plaindave | they've worked for about 5 different distros of Ubuntu. hmmm |
| 12:48.54 | petn-randall | plaindave: ^^^ use this under Windows. For Linux, a simple 'cp debian.iso /dev/sdx' is enough. Just make sure it's the right block device. |
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| 12:49.33 | petn-randall | plaindave: Yes, they do work for Ubuntu because they have specific bits that take care of Ubuntu images. These don't work with Debian. |
| 12:49.57 | plaindave | oh, good to know. thanks! |
| 12:50.21 | petn-randall | plaindave: If you have UEFI, just make sure that "secure boot" is deactivated. That's the only thing that could stop Debian from booting then. |
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| 12:50.47 | petn-randall | Ubuntu got their boot loader signed by Microsoft, which is why Ubuntu also boots with secure boot. |
| 12:51.16 | plaindave | oh okay cool. thanks. |
| 12:51.38 | petn-randall | plaindave: Let us know if you run into any problems, and we'll try to help. Good luck! |
| 12:51.48 | plaindave | thanks! |
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| 12:57.05 | MaxFrames | I don't get it. I'm on a supported distro. I have the hyperv-daemons installed. what else shall I do to perform a live migration? all the windows guests can live migrate, so the cluster should be ok, it's something with this specific vm |
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| 12:58.48 | d3xter | petn-randall: well, i first posted here and then thought because i run raspbian it would be better to post there ^^ sorry |
| 12:59.08 | d3xter | persiandrugs: tried that, but it just puts firefox into fullscreen above everything |
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| 13:04.08 | TimurTheLame | Is there a purpose to using ublock origin and https everywhere on thunderbird? |
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| 13:05.35 | TimurTheLame | Err... I mean, do they help? |
| 13:07.33 | ompaul | oh, if only there was a way to read up about them. The second one does. The first ... that depends on many things. Read it. Compare it's actions with free but advert supported websites that you might use. Consider the implication. Choose. |
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| 13:21.06 | echosystm | my app creates a socket at /run/app-socket |
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| 13:21.25 | echosystm | how can i stop other processes from being able to hijack that, without making a folder first? |
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| 13:21.43 | echosystm | in the past i've had for example /run/app/socket |
| 13:22.07 | echosystm | but since /run is a tmpfs, that means the app directory has to be created before every time the app runs, which is a pain |
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| 13:26.37 | p3rs0h | Hi everybody, i would like put a question about apache2 on debian jessie plz > can you confirm to me that apache2 must be start with sudo command's ? i must start /etc/init.d/apache2 with this because when i try without the system return access denied (i have stop with sudo and try to restart without also.) |
| 13:26.50 | jelly | p3rs0h: that's correct |
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| 13:27.04 | p3rs0h | why please ? |
| 13:27.07 | jelly | p3rs0h: you don't _have_ to use sudo, but you need to do it as root |
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| 13:27.39 | p3rs0h | acces denied also :s |
| 13:27.48 | p3rs0h | *else |
| 13:28.59 | p3rs0h | an other user can confirm please ? |
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| 13:29.07 | jelly | p3rs0h: open a root shell ("su -", or "sudo -i", or log in as root). Pastebin the full command and output of "/etc/init.d/apache2 start" and "service apache2 status" and "systemctl status apache2" |
| 13:29.11 | jelly | !paste |
| 13:29.11 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 13:29.43 | jelly | p3rs0h: I can confirm this is not a global issue, restarting apache works well on our jessie systems |
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| 13:31.52 | p3rs0h | just for confirm please jelly > all /etc/init.d/ is chowned on root, it's normally ? :x |
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| 13:32.57 | petn-randall | p3rs0h: Yes, it's a fundamental UNIX concept that normal users can't change the system configuration. |
| 13:32.59 | mefistofeles | p3rs0h: yes, that's normal |
| 13:33.17 | petn-randall | "normal" = unprivileged |
| 13:33.23 | p3rs0h | ok thank you so :) |
| 13:33.35 | p3rs0h | *for your help |
| 13:34.47 | p3rs0h | good continuing issue, bye ! :) |
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| 13:36.37 | petn-randall | Oh nice, just found this gem: |
| 13:36.38 | petn-randall | !plz |
| 13:36.39 | dpkg | methinks plz is german abbreviation for 'Postleitzahl' (zip-code). this aint a warez channel. L33t-speak for "please", or don't type it If you say 'plz' because it's shorter than 'please', I'll say 'no' because it's shorter than 'yes'. |
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| 13:37.07 | johnkeates | !1337 |
| 13:37.08 | dpkg | i guess 1337 is lamer talk for cool,, or shitkitty talk, or http://www.googlism.com/where_is/1/1337/ |
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| 13:38.19 | petn-randall | I guess it has a valid use if you want to describe a certain time of day in military time. ;) |
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| 13:42.45 | Iridos | 1337 is too short to be a plz |
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| 13:43.13 | johnkeates | military time? does that mean that americans still muddle with that strange am/pm system? |
| 13:43.22 | johnkeates | i thought the world would all be on 24 hr time by now |
| 13:43.35 | johnkeates | then again, they still haven't updated to metric... |
| 13:43.46 | plaindave | I can't remember who helped me a while ago, but thanks. All I had to do was turn off secure boot , and I was able to install Debian. |
| 13:43.54 | jelly | #debian-offtopic is still over there -> |
| 13:44.11 | petn-randall | runs. |
| 13:44.46 | Iridos | I reconfigured⦠it's now there â |
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| 14:23.19 | meldron | Hey guys, after I boot into debian my wifi module is softblocked and I have to use rfkill to unblock it, do you know who is responsible for this block? |
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| 14:23.56 | teraflops | meldron: not really, do yo do dual boot? |
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| 14:24.04 | meldron | teraflops: only debian |
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| 14:24.51 | teraflops | meldron: built in wireless nic or external one? (e.g usb) |
| 14:24.59 | meldron | teraflops: it's a usb wifi module, manager with /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:25.19 | teraflops | meldron: maybe the driver is a bit ewwww, idk |
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| 14:25.59 | meldron | hm |
| 14:26.34 | teraflops | meldron: if it persists you can write a rfkill systemd service |
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| 14:26.41 | meldron | is it possible that the network manager is responsible for the softblock |
| 14:27.07 | teraflops | idk to be honest, try it and see |
| 14:27.33 | teraflops | but you should not be using more that one network manager at the same time |
| 14:27.35 | meldron | i already tried this rfkill via /etc/rc.local |
| 14:27.38 | BluesKaj | perhaps an old driver is interfering and needs blacklisting |
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| 14:28.16 | BluesKaj | meldron, ^ |
| 14:28.45 | meldron | but i am not sure if the rfkill works with /etc/rc.local because of the usb network inteface |
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| 14:29.53 | BluesKaj | meldron, usb wifi dongle? |
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| 14:30.16 | meldron | BluesKaj: yes |
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| 14:30.26 | BluesKaj | details |
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| 14:30.46 | Raven737 | Hi, question, i just set up a new debian installation for a small system that is supposed to run in the background (so no desktop). It doesn't have a lot of space so i want to use btrfs with compression (already setup). However, the demain site says that it is only reliable with a kernal after 4.4.... at it seems Debian 8.7 comes with 3.6 something (on the 386 install, at least). So, i want to install a later kernel.. i see a packa |
| 14:30.47 | meldron | BluesKaj: https://gist.github.com/meldron/a04ccf8d3a8c0efee2e4c96e7d83b87b |
| 14:30.56 | meldron | lshw output |
| 14:30.57 | BluesKaj | for pc or laptop, meldron? |
| 14:30.58 | Raven737 | but when i try to install that one it gives me an error that the base system is not compatible |
| 14:31.02 | Raven737 | what do i do? |
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| 14:32.18 | n4dir | how did you try to intall the newer kernel version, Raven737? |
| 14:32.19 | meldron | BluesKaj: hm a little bit more complicated, soredi blackline device |
| 14:32.24 | petn-randall | Raven737: Your first message was truncated after "So, i want to install a later kernel.. i see a packa". |
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| 14:32.35 | meldron | https://soredi-touch-systems.com/de/ |
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| 14:33.12 | Raven737 | n4dir, petn-randall: I tried to aptitude install linux-image-4.6.0-1-grsec-686-pae |
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| 14:33.54 | Raven737 | it was shown when i searched for linux-image and the only one that was no a bp (but maybe it is since it needs a newer base?) |
| 14:34.13 | petn-randall | !bat |
| 14:34.14 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 14:34.29 | JotaMG | Hi all! |
| 14:34.39 | JotaMG | I don't nkow if this is the right place to ask, but I'm trying to compile the 4.4.54 kernel on a debian amd64 system, but I want a i386 package: |
| 14:34.39 | JotaMG | fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --arch i386 --revision=1.0 kernel_image |
| 14:34.39 | JotaMG | gives error: |
| 14:34.39 | JotaMG | make[2]: i686-linux-gnu-gcc: Command not found |
| 14:34.39 | JotaMG | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:35.12 | BluesKaj | meldron, what i mean is, if this is a device with an additional usb wifi dongle then the wifi onboard has to be disabled |
| 14:35.39 | Raven737 | petn-randall: http://paste.debian.net/922268/ |
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| 14:36.19 | meldron | BluesKaj: additionals usb wifi dongle |
| 14:36.19 | JotaMG | help, please?? |
| 14:36.28 | meldron | there is no onboard wifi |
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| 14:37.12 | Raven737 | and http://paste.debian.net/922269/ |
| 14:37.18 | BluesKaj | meldron, ok |
| 14:38.29 | Raven737 | n4dir: I tried to install the linux-image package that i found but it says it needs a newer base system. I don't see a different base package system |
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| 14:38.57 | n4dir | it is installed from the default stable repositories? |
| 14:39.40 | Raven737 | oh, i see now the cache policy |
| 14:39.45 | Raven737 | ok |
| 14:39.45 | Raven737 | it is a backport |
| 14:40.15 | Raven737 | Thank you for suggesting that, i now learned how to find out what it uses even without pb tag :) |
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| 14:41.42 | Raven737 | with that it's also clear i need to follow https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
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| 14:42.58 | Raven737 | petn-randall: thank you for the help! it's working =) |
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| 14:45.20 | petn-randall | Raven737: Cool, you're welcome. |
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| 14:47.09 | LiuYan | JotaMG: maybe have a look at http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16051224/cross-build-i386-linux-kernel-on-amd64-host |
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| 14:52.46 | JotaMG | LiuYan: thanks, will try that |
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| 14:53.17 | JotaMG | LiuYan: in that link someone says that "make-kpkg is deprecated", is that right? what is the best (official) way to compile a kernel in debian? |
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| 14:54.59 | mender27 | JotaMG: does dpkg not have the make-kpkg facilities now? I remember following this tutorial: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s06.html.en |
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| 14:55.37 | LiuYan | JotaMG: sorry, I don't know about it. |
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| 14:58.44 | babilen | dpkg: kernel handbook |
| 14:58.45 | dpkg | The Debian Linux Kernel Handbook http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ - packaged as debian-kernel-handbook since Debian 7 "Wheezy" - serves as a single access point to all kernel-related documentation. See chapter 4.2 to rebuild official Debian kernel packages, see chapter 4.5 to build a custom kernel from Debian kernel source. |
| 14:58.49 | babilen | JotaMG: ^ |
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| 15:09.35 | demens | Hello, I would need help on compiling kernel module |
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| 15:10.38 | babilen | demens: Why is that? |
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| 15:44.08 | d3xter | hey guys, i'm trying to send Control+R to Firefox with xvkbd, but all i get is "X error trapped: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes), request-code=42" when running 'xvkbd -window "Firefox" -text "\Cr" '. any hints? |
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| 15:45.53 | plaindave_ | Well, I got bare bones Debian installed, but all I get is a terminal prompt. What command do I give to enter the GUI? |
| 15:46.55 | d3xter | plaindave_: what installation medium did you use to install debian? |
| 15:47.37 | centrx | plaindave_: startx is the command if starting from console, but you may need to install the GUI if you did a bare bones install |
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| 15:50.40 | sypher | xrfang: A local implementation of bind using conditional forwarders should do the job. |
| 15:51.30 | plaindave_ | thanks |
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| 15:51.44 | d3xter | hey guys, i'm trying to send Control+R to Firefox with xvkbd, but all i get is "X error trapped: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes), request-code=42" when running 'xvkbd -window "Firefox" -text "\Cr" '. any hints? |
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| 15:53.17 | xrfang | sypher: local "implementation" means to configure bind, not to write a bind clone, right? |
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| 15:53.43 | sypher | xrfang: Yes. |
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| 15:54.21 | khronos | Hi all. |
| 15:54.41 | khronos | I am trying to setup a local mirror for a site that has limited connectivity to the internet. |
| 15:54.59 | korst3n | Hello, i have two interfaces set up statically in /etc/network/interface. eth0 not route to anywhere, eth1 does. How do I set it up so that eth0 won't show up in my route config? |
| 15:55.21 | khronos | I am using debmirror to download the sections I want, but am unsure how I should go about downloading the updates / security patches. |
| 15:56.19 | jhutchins | ,v exaile |
| 15:56.20 | judd | Package: exaile on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.3.2.2-3; wheezy-backports: 3.4.0.2-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.4.0.2-1 |
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| 15:58.14 | BluesKaj | khronos, security updates will run at bootime if unattended upgrades is installed on your machine |
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| 15:59.24 | SerajewelKS | korst3n: just don't configure eth0 with a gateway? |
| 15:59.50 | korst3n | SerajewelKS, well I have specified just an IP address |
| 15:59.59 | SerajewelKS | korst3n: okay, then what is the issue? |
| 16:00.12 | korst3n | it still becomes the default route |
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| 16:00.48 | SerajewelKS | korst3n: did you ifdown/ifup that interface after making changes? can you pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces and the output of "ip route"? |
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| 16:01.42 | korst3n | SerajewelKS, I did. sure, just a second |
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| 16:01.50 | ssarah | Hi guys. There's this app, workrave. I filled in a bug report 2 years ago and they said they fixed it. But apparently it didnt go up to the .deb repositories yet. How can i speed this up? The bug is pretty annoying. |
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| 16:02.13 | jhutchins | korst3n: How are you using this interface? |
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| 16:02.36 | korst3n | jhutchins, I'll be listening to packets on another network |
| 16:02.41 | jhutchins | ssarah: Did you file the bug with debian or upstream? |
| 16:03.08 | jhutchins | korst3n: You might still need a netmask. |
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| 16:03.50 | sobersabre | hi. I'm trying to rebuild tmux package using debian tools. I have older version of the package. |
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| 16:04.22 | sobersabre | I see that the code state I'm using (master of the repo now) has the so called 'upstream-<hash>.patch' files. |
| 16:04.30 | sobersabre | So I removed them from `series` file. |
| 16:04.36 | korst3n | SerajewelKS, http://pastebin.com/wvdveLSF |
| 16:05.00 | sobersabre | I wonder though where do I add params for `configure`, I have not built packages for like 10 years. |
| 16:05.21 | sobersabre | I remember there was 'rules` file. |
| 16:05.32 | ssarah | jhutchins, i filled in the bug in the workrave bug report system. |
| 16:05.41 | SerajewelKS | korst3n: if you just want to capture packets, you could use "iface eth0 inet manual" and just leave it not configured |
| 16:05.42 | BluesKaj | khronos, what sattelite internet service has a 12Gig monthly cap, that's ridiculuous |
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| 16:05.55 | korst3n | SerajewelKS, thank you I'll be trying right away. |
| 16:05.57 | SerajewelKS | korst3n: but with this config, eth0 should not have a default route |
| 16:06.15 | SerajewelKS | korst3n: there will be *A* route for eth0, to reach its local network -- but there should not be a default route out dev eth0 |
| 16:06.21 | khronos | Satellite bandwidth is really restricted. |
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| 16:06.38 | khronos | It isn't anything like regular land line bandwidth. |
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| 16:07.38 | BluesKaj | khronos, like i said , deb package upgrades are mostly scripts so they don't use much bandwidth unless you install new packages |
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| 16:08.37 | korst3n | SerajewelKS, thanks again! works great |
| 16:09.06 | SerajewelKS | korst3n: np |
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| 16:09.42 | khronos | BluesKaj: This site will have a lab over there so there is anybody's guess what packages students may install. |
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| 16:12.47 | BluesKaj | khronos, well, then the students should share the cost of the service ...seems to me a cellphone provider data cost might cheaper |
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| 16:13.40 | khronos | BluesKaj: This might work in some situations, but not in the Bahamas. |
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| 16:14.42 | khronos | BluesKaj: In this particular situation satellite is the only internet that can really be used. |
| 16:14.57 | BluesKaj | khronos, well, that's the cost of living in Paradise :-) |
| 16:15.35 | khronos | BluesKaj: I'm with you on that one... I am just trying to work with the restrictions that I have put on me. |
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| 16:23.55 | BluesKaj | khronos, surely your service provides a higher cap at a higher price ...seems to me you need to pay more |
| 16:24.15 | BluesKaj | BBL |
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| 16:32.11 | jhutchins | ssarah: I'd file a bug with Debian so they know there's a problem, and include a link to the closed bug report upstream that shows what fixed it. |
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| 16:32.36 | jhutchins | ssarah: That's one of the reasons Debian recommends against filing upstream. |
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| 16:34.44 | jhutchins | khronos: What about mailing physical disks once a month or something? |
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| 16:38.05 | jhutchins | exaile doesn't seem to be doing streams well any more. |
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| 16:42.01 | cusco | hey folks.. any recommendations on a http proxy server software, very lightweight (just to test a app connecting via proxy) |
| 16:42.28 | cusco | I used tinyproxy in the past, but it does not support user/pass authentication |
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| 16:42.59 | cusco | and squid seems overkill |
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| 16:46.45 | labrat | hello |
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| 16:57.37 | ssarah | jhutchins, where do i do that? |
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| 16:58.57 | khronos | jhutchins: This would work, but I sitll would have to put them on the server for the individual machines to download. |
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| 16:59.05 | khronos | jhutchins: still |
| 16:59.42 | khronos | jhutchins: I have the main portion of the archive in place, I just don't have the security and update pools. |
| 16:59.55 | jhutchins | ssarah: https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
| 17:00.34 | jhutchins | khronos: You should be able to download the updates, write them to a disk, then copy/import them to the remote archive. |
| 17:00.46 | jhutchins | khronos: Possibly even training a student assistant to do it. |
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| 17:02.14 | khronos | jhutchins: Maybe I need to use a different tool other than debmirror to get the other archives. |
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| 17:07.39 | BluesKaj | khronos, for security upgrades: https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades |
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| 17:11.36 | sobersabre | I'm setting up this status line left part: http://dpaste.com/1MGJR1S |
| 17:11.44 | sobersabre | on tmux 2.2 it used to work. |
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| 17:21.31 | jhutchins | ,v exaile |
| 17:21.32 | judd | Package: exaile on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.3.2.2-3; wheezy-backports: 3.4.0.2-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.4.0.2-1 |
| 17:21.46 | jhutchins | Not in sid? |
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| 17:24.11 | TomTomTosch | #813255 |
| 17:24.12 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/813255 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: exaile -- RoQA; depends on gstreamer 0.10»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-01-30; last modified: 2016-03-12. |
| 17:25.42 | TomTomTosch | jhutchins: you can always look at the package tracker if you want to know what happened to a package. https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/exaile |
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| 17:27.01 | greycat | Hmm. Does that URL work as a replacement for "why isn't __ in testing" also? |
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| 17:28.39 | jhutchins | TomTomTosch: Thanks. The last message on their site was that they working on migrating to QT3 and whatever replaces gstreamer, but that was 2015. |
| 17:29.16 | jhutchins | I don't use it a lot, but I was setting it back up after moving to 64b and noticed that most of the streaming doesn't work. |
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| 17:30.54 | greycat | dpkg, cmd: why isn't (.*?) in testing =~ s#http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=$1#https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/$1# |
| 17:30.54 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 17:31.22 | GNU\colossus | why isn't dspam in stable? |
| 17:31.26 | GNU\colossus | 8^) |
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| 17:38.13 | BluesKaj | . |
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| 17:38.31 | BluesKaj | oops |
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| 17:43.36 | jhutchins | greycat: Verified that works. |
| 17:43.40 | Bodhammer | Hi - using firmware-bnx2 for network drivers. System is Stretch RC2 AMD64. System has 16GB of memory. I'm streaming cameras using ffmpeg. I changed wmwm_max to 262114 and seem to clear some problems I was having. Do I need to change rmem_max or anything else? Any good rules of thumb? |
| 17:44.27 | Bodhammer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:45.17 | Jean-Pichet | Hello :) |
| 17:45.25 | Jean-Pichet | What is default timeout for fstab and network drive ? :x |
| 17:45.56 | `Kevin | Bodhammer: I dont think you need much tuning (if any) unless you are pushing >1Gb/s or a high packet rate with small packets |
| 17:46.05 | Jean-Pichet | Actually, I have forget to remove a « fstab » line about webdav FS. My server has reboot, actually he probably wait a « username / password » and ... Don't boot (I don't have access to server actually ^^) |
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| 17:47.34 | jhutchins | Jean-Pichet: Insert # at the beginning of the line. |
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| 17:48.07 | Jean-Pichet | jhutchins: I don't have physical access for now ^^ |
| 17:48.19 | Jean-Pichet | (I must go to home :x) |
| 17:48.21 | jhutchins | Jean-Pichet: Ah, and it's not booting far enough to run ssh. |
| 17:48.27 | Jean-Pichet | Yes :x |
| 17:48.36 | jhutchins | Jean-Pichet: Hey, at least it's not on a different continent. |
| 17:48.38 | Jean-Pichet | Only one solution : Wait for a « timeout » |
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| 17:49.58 | Jean-Pichet | jhutchins: Only one solution, check on public transportation website timetable, and go to home ahahhaha |
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| 17:53.44 | Cortex | hello |
| 17:53.52 | Cortex | is therre anyone online |
| 17:53.58 | mtn | heh |
| 17:54.10 | Cortex | dude i have a problem about my channel |
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| 17:54.18 | mtn | heh, dude |
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| 17:54.27 | mtn | !ask |
| 17:54.28 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 17:54.36 | sypher | mtn: Was looking for that, thanks. |
| 17:54.39 | Cortex | when i exit my hexchat then i came back i cannot kick whom i want to kick |
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| 17:55.00 | greycat | Cortex: This has nothing to do with Debian, or even this IRC network. |
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| 17:55.45 | Cortex | okay how about linux problems |
| 17:55.54 | bin_bash | it's not even a linux problem |
| 17:56.05 | bin_bash | your channel is just setup improperly |
| 17:56.06 | Cortex | ? debian... |
| 17:56.12 | bin_bash | you need to talk to the network admin, not us |
| 17:56.20 | Cortex | then who is it? |
| 17:56.23 | greycat | Old IRC networks that work this way? You have to set up a swarm of operators (usually one of them being a bot under your control) and re-op yourself every time you join. |
| 17:56.25 | Jean-Pichet | Not us :) |
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| 17:56.30 | greycat | Nothing to do with THIS network. |
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| 17:56.36 | bin_bash | the network admin of whatever never it is, Cortex |
| 17:56.47 | Cortex | okay then ... |
| 17:56.53 | bin_bash | s/never/network/g |
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| 17:57.28 | Cortex | guys what about exploit codes |
| 17:57.32 | bin_bash | eat |
| 17:57.34 | bin_bash | wat |
| 17:57.37 | sypher | Cortex: Go. Away. |
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| 17:58.13 | Cortex | dude i create some exploit programs i mean |
| 17:58.19 | bin_bash | go away |
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| 17:58.25 | bin_bash | go bother anonops |
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| 17:58.50 | Cortex | im not anonops im a security researcher |
| 17:59.02 | sypher | Cortex: HAHAHAHAHA doubt that. |
| 17:59.05 | mtn | shakes his head |
| 17:59.06 | bin_bash | go away dudd |
| 17:59.15 | greycat | Cortex: you are off topic. Please go elsewhere. |
| 17:59.29 | bin_bash | if you were a "security researcher" you wouldn't coem to a debian channel complaining about not understanding irc |
| 17:59.57 | Cortex | im just new about it and im still studying |
| 18:00.07 | Cortex | as a college student in texas |
| 18:00.18 | sypher | Cortex: Then you're not a security researcher. You're a student. |
| 18:00.29 | Cortex | thats my degree |
| 18:00.31 | bin_bash | congratulations. this is channel about debian. do you have a debian question or concern? |
| 18:00.38 | bin_bash | "security researcher" is a degree now? |
| 18:00.39 | bin_bash | what |
| 18:00.51 | Cortex | ahh nevermind |
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| 18:00.55 | TomTomTosch | you are all noisy. |
| 18:01.05 | Cortex | sorry for that |
| 18:01.08 | bin_bash | my idlerpg score has plummeted, TomTomTosch :( |
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| 18:01.36 | sypher | Cortex: Someone majoring in physics is not a physicist, they're a student. |
| 18:01.40 | sypher | Cortex: Now shoo. |
| 18:01.44 | inthl | I am having a slight problem with APT I can't solve. looking at http://packages.libregeek.org/steamos-tools/pool/main/k/kodi/ there you can see kodi with a git-version from february 23rd. Now I do have that one in my sources lists, I just have some older one (locally installed) visible in aptitude, but no mention about that one from february. when performing an update it lists some sources as ignore. I am not sure whether that ignoring |
| 18:01.44 | inthl | might cause the issue, perhaps some timestams or whatever are not correct. you can see what happens while updating here: http://pastebin.ca/3781883 any ideas ? |
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| 18:02.03 | nutshell | hey |
| 18:02.22 | Cortex | why im out im a debian user also |
| 18:02.42 | nutshell | what could be dosing a linux client in a lan so much that it freeze complete after some minutes ? |
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| 18:04.44 | Cortex | ** (gedit:3126): WARNING **: Set document metadata failed: Setting attribute metadata::gedit-spell-language not supported |
| 18:04.46 | Cortex | ** (gedit:3126): WARNING **: Set document metadata failed: Setting attribute metadata::gedit-encoding not supported |
| 18:04.46 | Cortex | ** (gedit:3126): WARNING **: Set document metadata failed: Setting attribute metadata::gedit-position not supported |
| 18:04.50 | Cortex | thats my problem |
| 18:05.04 | bin_bash | that's not a debian problem |
| 18:05.25 | sypher | Cortex: Your problem is that you don't read. Including the channel topic. |
| 18:05.26 | Cortex | it is still a linux |
| 18:05.28 | sypher | !paste |
| 18:05.28 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 18:05.37 | bin_bash | Cortex: this channel is for DEBIAN problems |
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| 18:05.54 | MD5_SUM | lol |
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| 18:06.04 | sypher | greycat: You're my hero. |
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| 18:06.20 | bin_bash | ty greycat lol |
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| 18:06.30 | inthl | oh, and look at this: http://pastebin.ca/3781888 it mentions the old one, nothing from february 23rd. it's like those sources are being ignored completely. |
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| 18:07.10 | inthl | but it is clearly stated that "main" is fetched from packages.libregeek.org brewmaster-testing, according to the HTTP listing it has the one from february |
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| 18:07.52 | BluesKaj | inthl, that usually mrans there's nothing elevant to your packages in those repos |
| 18:08.04 | BluesKaj | relevant |
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| 18:08.33 | greycat | '"main" is fetched from' does not make a lot of sense. |
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| 18:09.08 | BluesKaj | poor choice of words |
| 18:09.37 | greycat | It could indicate a gross conceptual mistake, like thinking that 'I want "main" to come from X instead of from Y' |
| 18:10.08 | greycat | Rather than the more realistic "My sources include foo.bar/main and baz.quux/main" |
| 18:10.24 | inthl | wut |
| 18:10.30 | inthl | wait, why does that make a difference? |
| 18:10.46 | inthl | it is main from http://X and main from http://Y, like seen here http://pastebin.ca/3781883 |
| 18:10.59 | inthl | is "main" supposed to be an exclusive identifier? |
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| 18:11.25 | greycat | No, but the way you wrote your sentences made it sound like you thought it was. |
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| 18:13.11 | TomTomTosch | which distro do you run anyway? debian jessie, ubuntu precise or steamos brewmaster? |
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| 18:15.14 | OnceMe | I have vagrant user and in /var/www/app files are owned by www-data:www-data how can I make the vagrant user perform operation git pull inside /var/www/app/ ? |
| 18:15.28 | inthl | it is steamos, according to preferences it has Pin-Priority: 900. jessie is there just to get some additional packages, precise was as I guess (I may be wrong) added by the steamOS setup. I can't recall. maybe I added it, I am not sure. |
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| 18:18.07 | Biotek | l |
| 18:19.19 | inthl | so what's the conclusion..? or am I wrong somewhere? no matter what I try, I don't see that kodi .deb as it is listed in http://packages.libregeek.org/steamos-tools/pool/main/k/kodi/ |
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| 18:19.59 | greycat | !steamos |
| 18:20.00 | dpkg | SteamOS is an operating system released by Valve as a gaming platform, based on Debian 7 "Wheezy". It is not supported in #debian, support is available in #steamOS on irc.freenode.net or at http://support.steampowered.com/ . See <based on debian>. |
| 18:20.44 | inthl | I do not believe that this issue is steamos-specific, as it addresses apt, sources and repos, and I doubt that this was modified by valve in steamos |
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| 18:22.25 | BluesKaj | inthl, afaik , you should be able to jsut apt install kodi if you run the same repos in your sources.list as debian |
| 18:23.46 | inthl | BluesKaj, not necessarily due to depencies. these libregreek repos are designed to overcome the depencies between the releases. I've tried that once and failed, at least for the very latest kodi-releases (which is v17). I think I was able to install v16, but in no way 17 |
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| 18:24.35 | BluesKaj | actually kodi 16 isa less clunky than 17 IMO |
| 18:25.18 | BluesKaj | newest isn't always best in this case |
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| 18:25.29 | Raven737 | Hi, question, i would like to block all incomming network traffic except for ports that a certain application opens. I can't just define the ports becuase the application can be reconfigured to listen on different port. In windows i can just add an application to be allowed without setting the port. How can i do this in debian? |
| 18:25.30 | inthl | as a matter of fact I can not use any files from that source. I just tried downloading that .deb from the http-server and all the depending files were not found althow they are in libregeek. it seems that this repo is being completely ignored |
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| 18:26.40 | Raven737 | I tried to start the application with a new user and make an iptable rule to allow this user: iptables -A INPUT --match owner --uid-owner 1000 --jump ACCEPT |
| 18:26.59 | BluesKaj | inthl, why not just run an OS that supporst steam apps instead of the steamOS , you 'll have more optiona and fewer dependency problems |
| 18:27.02 | Raven737 | however I get an error that this is only allowed for output / postrouting (which i can see is a lot easier) |
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| 18:28.34 | GNU\colossus | Raven737, by allowing only ESTABLISHED and RELATED connections (that works even for connectionless UDP) on INPUT, you could guarantee that |
| 18:28.46 | inthl | well there are lots of reasons. the only issue is that steamos does not have kodi. there you go with libregreek, it worked for me for that older rc that is installed, I noticed that it was not updated for some time and now I see why: the repo is ignored. Still no idea why that is happening. |
| 18:28.52 | sobersabre | ok. I got my package working. |
| 18:29.00 | GNU\colossus | other than that, a datagram arriving via IP, per definition, doesn't have an associated UID |
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| 18:29.20 | GNU\colossus | so that match is pretty obviously limited to egress traffic |
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| 18:30.52 | Raven737 | GNU\colossus: OK, so is there a way to open ports matching what a certain application binds to? |
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| 18:31.14 | BluesKaj | well, inthl that's a linux gamer's dilemma you have there |
| 18:31.17 | oty | hey. Is there a way (server service anything) that can give you a public key from a certain fingerprint ? |
| 18:31.28 | oty | (GPG) |
| 18:32.03 | GNU\colossus | Raven737, as I said - have INPUT match on state ESTABLISHED,RELATED only. allow OUTPUT for that uid match that you have now, and you should be golden |
| 18:32.07 | Raven737 | GNU\colossus: without knowing what those ports are before this application opens it? I.e. define a trusted application that can receive anything and drop everything else |
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| 18:32.34 | inthl | yes, I am using debian for games and multimedia. so? |
| 18:32.40 | inthl | works perfectly fine |
| 18:32.42 | GNU\colossus | trusting an application in that manner, afaik, cannot be done via netfilter alone. you'd have to have a selinux policy to allow for that. |
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| 18:34.00 | Raven737 | GNU\colossus: About established related, i already have that, however, that is only for incomming response traffic, not for new traffic comming in (i.e. only when the application initiates the traffic) |
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| 18:34.31 | Bodhammer | Kevin: cameras are pushing data. My question was more along the lines of if rmem needed to match wmem or any other parameters at the same time. |
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| 18:34.39 | sypher | oty: Look up the key ID on a key server. keys.gnupg.net is one. |
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| 18:34.57 | Bodhammer | Kevin: cameras are pushing data. My question was more along the lines of if rmem needed to match wmem or any other parameters at the same time. |
| 18:35.02 | sypher | oty: Again, Google is your friend. ;) |
| 18:35.07 | Raven737 | GNU\colossus: Thanks, i am reading about SELinux now |
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| 18:35.12 | oty | sypher, I don't use google man. |
| 18:35.14 | oty | é_è |
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| 18:35.40 | userro | bung? |
| 18:35.48 | userro | bing? |
| 18:36.13 | sypher | oty: Search engines generally follow the same format. Enter query, get results. So try doing that. I don't really care what search engine you use. |
| 18:36.30 | oty | Okay. Try not to say google then, and I'll try :) |
| 18:36.50 | sypher | oty: I could simply not answer your questions. How about that? |
| 18:37.00 | oty | I invite you to do so. |
| 18:37.09 | sypher | oty: Then enjoy fumbling around on your own. :) |
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| 18:37.19 | oty | My problem :) |
| 18:37.43 | oty | (your pride :D) |
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| 18:37.52 | userro | are you using bing? oty |
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| 18:38.02 | GNU\colossus | Raven737, I don't really get how your problem isn't solved already |
| 18:38.02 | oty | Neh. |
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| 18:38.12 | sypher | userro: Given his propensity to ask simple questions here, I think he doesn't use -any- search engine. |
| 18:38.34 | GNU\colossus | iptables -F INPUT; iptables -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT; iptables -P INPUT DROP |
| 18:38.41 | GNU\colossus | and the rule you already have for OUTPUT |
| 18:38.46 | GNU\colossus | and that's it - isn't it? |
| 18:38.50 | userro | are we search engine? :P |
| 18:38.53 | greycat | In that case, when everyone gets sick and tired of being his unpaid interns to run web searches FOR him, we will just kick him the fuck out. |
| 18:39.52 | BluesKaj | nice language greycat, not necessary |
| 18:39.55 | oty | greycat, sorry I'm pissing you off too :x |
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| 18:44.38 | Raven737 | GNU\colossus: ok, thanks, i try that |
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| 18:52.32 | jhutchins | oty: If I understand your question, no, that process is supposed tobe non-reversible. That the whole reason for using the hash instead of the actual data. |
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| 18:54.22 | sypher | jhutchins: He can feed the key ID to a keyserver. If the keyserver has the matching public key, it will return it. |
| 18:54.47 | jhutchins | sypher: Yeah, but that's a match, not a generate. |
| 18:55.03 | jhutchins | Not clear what he actually wants. |
| 18:55.07 | sypher | jhutchins: He asked for a service that would provide such information, that's what he gets. |
| 18:55.21 | oty | I find out for myself searching on my own x) |
| 18:55.38 | oty | just see now that ignoring someone is problematic when he talks much :O |
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| 18:56.03 | bin_bash | using /ignore is lame |
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| 18:57.29 | e_xistense | Hi everyone! Any tool that could create out-of-the-box a multiboot pendrive with debian+kali+linux+windowsISOs and actually work? Tools I've tried so far(yumi, universal usb installer, unetbootin) work ok for everything except debian. the only tool that work ok with debian is Rufus, but it cannot create multiple boot options. |
| 18:57.34 | oty | wathever. The answer, for the log, was "you can, just querry a server with "gpg --recv-keys <fingerprint>". |
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| 18:58.04 | userro | is anyone using qemu now? |
| 18:58.10 | greycat | !poll |
| 18:58.10 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
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| 18:58.42 | userro | ok lol |
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| 19:49.59 | userro | petn-randall: nevermind. |
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| 19:51.50 | d3xter | hey guys! is there any way to "simulate" fullscreen for a specific window? i want to run firefox in fullscreen-mode (without any bars) and still have lxpanel on top of it |
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| 19:55.10 | mtn | d3xter: in firefox: F11 |
| 19:55.20 | mtn | d3xter: also, it is in the firefox menu ;) |
| 19:55.37 | d3xter | mtn: but then lxpanel is gone ;) |
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| 19:56.32 | mtn | d3xter: you can turn off menu bar and maximize. is that good enough? |
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| 20:04.22 | d3xter | mtn: if possible it should be kiosk-mode + panel ^^ |
| 20:04.50 | oty | maybe ratpoison could be handy here. Never used it that way thought. |
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| 20:06.28 | oty | you could also have firefox fullscreen and force lxpanel to stay "in front", using wmctrl, but it's kinda dirty, part of firefox will be hidden by the panel obviously. |
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| 20:09.05 | d3xter | oty: how would you do that? i've tried with "lxpanel -b add,above" after firefox, but didnt really work |
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| 20:10.33 | oty | d3xter, good point I have no idea if it would work, then x) |
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| 20:15.02 | oty | d3xter, could you try "wmctrl -r lxpanel -b add,above" ? |
| 20:15.48 | d3xter | oty: yeah, i did that, but that just sets "always on top" for that specific window |
| 20:16.20 | oty | Isn't that your goal, for lxtask I mean, over everything else, even fullscreen ? |
| 20:16.29 | oty | As I said earlier, still dirty way |
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| 20:17.44 | oty | (but yeah, I have nothing else in stock, sorry. I don't master the Xorg magic :p) |
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| 20:19.18 | d3xter | oty, yes thats what i want, but it isn't displayed above fullscreen firefox :( |
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| 20:20.02 | whats0ns | hi |
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| 20:20.06 | d3xter | i've been working on this the whole afternoon, maybe we just ditch that idea ^^ |
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| 20:20.10 | whats0ns | what's up |
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| 20:20.20 | oty | If you don't find anything else, ratpoison should be able to do what you want, but there is a little learning curve that may not be funny if you are not playful x) |
| 20:20.41 | whats0ns | someone can help me with a fresh compiled kernel 4.10.3? |
| 20:20.53 | whats0ns | i have an error i can't handle :( |
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| 20:23.19 | jhutchins | Aptitude' |
| 20:23.40 | jhutchins | s search function is a mess. How is xul-ext-livehttpheaders a valid return for search ttf*? |
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| 20:25.02 | OnceMe | for git pull I get error: cannot open .git/FETCH_HEAD: Permission denied. dir and files are owned by www-data and I'm vagrant user. I added vagrant user to www-data group, but still cannot perform git pull, can someone help me to solve this? |
| 20:25.11 | greycat | If ttf* is interpreted as a regex instead of a glob, it means "tt followed by any number of f's, even 0 f's", so the "tt" in http matches. |
| 20:25.12 | n4dir | does ratpoison have a panel at all? i don't remember so |
| 20:26.32 | oty | n4dir, it does not, but you can open a window that would handle the panel |
| 20:27.05 | greycat | Since it appears to be an unanchored match, you might as well just write ttf without any * |
| 20:27.16 | jhutchins | greycat: That, sir, is why I come to you for answers. I figured it was some sort of regex vs. glob thing. |
| 20:27.36 | greycat | You could also try ^ttf if you wanted it anchored. |
| 20:27.51 | jhutchins | greycat: Not necessarily plain ttf worked. |
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| 20:29.11 | jhutchins | I could stand to improve my knowledge of regex and where and when it's used. |
| 20:29.36 | jhutchins | Ugh. Instead, they want me to learn iis and sharepoint at work. |
| 20:29.43 | `Kevin | :| |
| 20:30.04 | jhutchins | I know how to fix iis, install apache on linux instead. |
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| 20:36.33 | OnceMe | can someone help me with perms problem |
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| 20:44.02 | somiaj | !ask |
| 20:44.02 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 20:44.50 | olivetre- | OnceMe, what is the problem? |
| 20:45.15 | OnceMe | for git pull I get error: cannot open .git/FETCH_HEAD: Permission denied. dir and files are owned by www-data and I'm vagrant user. I added vagrant user to www-data group, but still cannot perform git pull, can someone help me to solve this? |
| 20:45.53 | somiaj | you will have to give the group www-data write permissions I belive. |
| 20:46.04 | olivetre- | try man chmod |
| 20:46.15 | OnceMe | somiaj: how to accomplish that? |
| 20:46.17 | olivetre- | or change the owner chown |
| 20:46.20 | OnceMe | yeah I have proper chmod perms |
| 20:46.25 | OnceMe | olivetre-: I cant |
| 20:46.31 | olivetre- | humm |
| 20:46.39 | OnceMe | owner must be www-data as nginx reads data from www-data |
| 20:46.52 | olivetre- | hum |
| 20:48.23 | OnceMe | im clueless |
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| 20:49.10 | somiaj | OnceMe: many ways, chmod g+w filenames |
| 20:49.30 | somiaj | though if manging git this way you'll have to be careful and set up masks, why not just have the git repo owned by your main user? |
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| 20:49.56 | OnceMe | somiaj: well I could do that |
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| 20:50.15 | OnceMe | but that the rest of my app will be owned by www-data:www-data and .git by vagrant |
| 20:50.17 | OnceMe | is that approach? |
| 20:50.30 | somiaj | why does it need to be owned by www-data? |
| 20:50.38 | somiaj | do you have multiple users modifing this? |
| 20:50.59 | OnceMe | no |
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| 20:51.04 | OnceMe | one user |
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| 20:51.09 | OnceMe | but nginx requires to be www-data |
| 20:51.12 | somiaj | then there is no reason you need www-data to own any of the app |
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| 20:51.23 | somiaj | only read access is required, which can be done with the group or just everyone |
| 20:51.38 | somiaj | write access is only required for select directories you want users to be able to upload stuff |
| 20:51.54 | OnceMe | is it okay to make .ssh owned by vagrant then? |
| 20:52.40 | OnceMe | somiaj: but git pull will execute however it cannot write |
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| 20:53.07 | somiaj | OnceMe: do you have www-data running the git-pull command? |
| 20:53.21 | somiaj | I think you need to re anaylize how you want to setup permisions/control of this app. |
| 20:53.26 | OnceMe | no |
| 20:53.31 | OnceMe | its vagrant running git pull |
| 20:53.41 | OnceMe | how to run git pull as www-data? |
| 20:53.46 | OnceMe | www-data is not real user |
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| 20:54.19 | somiaj | I would go learn how permissions work, and then reanalize this situation and find a sutible way to set up permissions correctly |
| 20:55.17 | OnceMe | I know how permissions work |
| 20:55.27 | OnceMe | I don't know how to make this work with custom user running git pull |
| 20:57.33 | somiaj | why is the user running git pull? Or better why is vagrant running git pull? I thought you said you only had one user but I see at least two users running git pull, your user and vagrant. In that case you'll have to read up on how group permisions work to put those two in the same group and they can share permissions |
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| 20:58.32 | OnceMe | what is my user? |
| 20:58.35 | OnceMe | my user is vagrant |
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| 20:59.15 | somiaj | what user is vagrant running as, what user are you running as, sounds like it is different. |
| 21:00.21 | jhutchins | I should know this: What does the + at the end of crw-rw-r--+ mean? |
| 21:00.43 | OnceMe | I am logged as vagrant user |
| 21:00.50 | jhutchins | I thought it might be extended attributes, but attr -l doesn't return anything. |
| 21:00.51 | OnceMe | vagrant is not vagrantup user, its my custom made user |
| 21:01.09 | greycat | jhutchins: ACL or extended attributes |
| 21:01.17 | greycat | try getfacl also |
| 21:01.22 | jhutchins | greycat: That's what I thought. |
| 21:01.42 | grift | . is extended attributes + is acl |
| 21:02.19 | jhutchins | greycat: Thank you, getfacl returned some interesting stuff. |
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| 21:03.18 | jhutchins | indicates I should have both group and user rw, but xsane can't find the scanner. |
| 21:03.29 | jhutchins | ... even as root. |
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| 21:04.01 | Jeeves_Moss | hey guys. I'm having some issues with PBIS. When I try to login with my domain creds, it just disconnects the SSH session. |
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| 21:04.17 | Jeeves_Moss | then I get " pam_sss(sshd:session): Request to sssd failed. Connection refused" |
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| 21:04.56 | greycat | Maybe you need to install sssd for this thing to work? I have no idea what PBIS is. |
| 21:05.23 | greycat | sssd is not a thing that's installed by default |
| 21:05.26 | Jeeves_Moss | greycat, PIBS is the old Likewise-open |
| 21:06.23 | Jeeves_Moss | now, I'm getting |
| 21:06.24 | Jeeves_Moss | "fatal: Access denied for user scott@moseley.ca by PAM account configuration |
| 21:08.34 | Jeeves_Moss | I think this is a PAM missmatch |
| 21:10.01 | Jeeves_Moss | now weâre getting somewhere. weâre up to account is expired |
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| 21:11.44 | Jeeves_Moss | frickinâ PAM. |
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| 21:26.08 | sleepster | I am trying to get genymotion to work on debian (https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/genymotion-users/bBm6n8U47ak). I keep getting some network issue where I can't connect to the virtual device. I am running the exact same versions of genymotion/virtualbox on my ubuntu machine and everything works great. I can't figure out what the difference would be |
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| 21:26.22 | sleepster | I checked iptables on debian to see if there is something blocking it but iptables -L shows empty |
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| 21:30.40 | LACampbell | I have a debian system on a remote VPS. I want to have a local debian VM that I can make changes to and test, then deploy those changes to the VPS. will I run into much trouble doing rsync from the root folder? is there a better way to keep two debian jessie instances in sync? |
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| 21:32.44 | somiaj | LACampbell: this maybe over commplicated, but maybe look at something like puppet. |
| 21:33.19 | somiaj | LACampbell: due to logs and how package databases are kept, you don't relaly want to just sync the root fs, you want something that will install/remove packages on the system, then copy over the configuration data in say /etc, /home, etc |
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| 21:34.29 | LACampbell | somiaj: right, that makes sense. it might interrupt some writes. |
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| 21:37.04 | LACampbell | maybe some combination of apt-clone, and a limited rsync where I just back up server config and website content would be more feasible |
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| 21:40.40 | somiaj | yea rsync is good for data, but good for system stuff, like packages |
| 21:40.58 | somiaj | though usually once you get a system configured, you rarely need to change the system packages outside of regular security updates |
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| 21:42.21 | LACampbell | somiaj: I'm just trying to avoid the nightmare scenario of "but it works on the VM!". without becoming a full time dev op. I'll see if I can have my cake and eat it too |
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| 21:47.53 | somiaj | LACampbell: there are various ways to sync package installs, puppet is kinda a top level tool that can do this to configure tons of slaves to be like the master in a nice fashion |
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| 21:48.41 | LACampbell | somiaj: people have recommended both puppet and chef to me. I am just one guy doing this in my spare time, so I am wondering if it's over kill or I'll spend more time wrestling with the tool |
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| 21:51.25 | somiaj | yea these are more tools for many vps, it might be a bit over kill for one. In most cases once you get it configured you shouldn't need to be installing/removing packages, so just rsyncing the data is what most things will be |
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| 21:57.51 | gluptirp | hello, I have an issue that's been bothering me for months now... I have my notifications toggled off, and I'm still getting a useless notification "security updates for root mail" on startup and it makes a sound and it's really annoying me... I'm using gnome |
| 21:57.57 | gluptirp | stable jessie |
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| 22:23.43 | maerz | uname -a |
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| 22:23.57 | somiaj | linux 2.6.25 |
| 22:24.07 | bin_bash | lol |
| 22:24.26 | bin_bash | 3.16.0-4-amd64 |
| 22:24.36 | bin_bash | wow that's actually quite old |
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| 22:25.20 | somiaj | not really, that is the jessie kernel that is still getting secruity and bug fixes |
| 22:26.00 | siete | I installed debian without a WM used wpa_supplicant to connect to the wifi and then installed network manager, but then the wifi stopped working. Does network manager and wpa_supplicant conflict? do I have to change or delete my wpa_config file? |
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| 22:26.08 | siete | *wpa_supplicant file |
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| 22:26.25 | somiaj | siete: how did you launch wpa_supplicant at boot? did you use the interfaces file? |
| 22:26.44 | siete | no |
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| 22:27.45 | somiaj | so network manager has no knwoledge that you were configuring your network manually, it could have updated/replaced the wpa_supplicant .conf file, or it could be using its own. |
| 22:27.46 | bin_bash | somiaj: old in comparison to the most current linux kernel, not other debian distros |
| 22:28.42 | siete | so how would you set up wifi on a fresh debian install with no WM? is there a better way? |
| 22:28.59 | siete | I want to use i3 as the only WM |
| 22:29.13 | siete | and connect to networks with the nm-applet |
| 22:29.23 | somiaj | siete: wpa_supplicant is just fine. I personally use that. I just configure it partly in the interfaces file so it comes up automatically at boot |
| 22:29.53 | somiaj | in /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant is a nice guide on how to do this, link an interfaces file with wpa_supplicant, and even better for roam mode. You can also use wpa_cli and wpa_gui to configure it |
| 22:30.02 | somiaj | I use wpa_gui which runs in my systray on my simple wm setup |
| 22:31.34 | siete | what wm do you use? |
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| 22:33.50 | somiaj | fvwm here |
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| 22:35.55 | siete | anyway, so I dont have to delete my wpa_supplicant.conf file after installing networkmanager? |
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| 22:37.05 | somiaj | networkmanager will use wpasupplicant, but unsure how it interacts with a configuration file. It may use its own configuration files and just make the correct calls to wpasupplicant for wpa networks |
| 22:37.20 | siete | gotchu |
| 22:37.37 | siete | thanks for your help somiaj, I'll try to do more research and try again |
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| 22:38.14 | siete | I think this was helpful :) I am learning a lot |
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| 22:42.32 | ScottE | siete: wpa_gui works nicely with i3 - it's the exact setup I use (no networkmanager) |
| 22:43.01 | somiaj | yea really no reason to use networkmanager for a single interface when wpa_gui does the job |
| 22:43.43 | bin_bash | i like networkmanager cuz it has everything bundled into one thing |
| 22:43.58 | bin_bash | and im lazy |
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| 22:46.16 | Morp | Yo |
| 22:46.32 | Morp | Would anybody mind helping me with a small problem? |
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| 22:47.45 | n-iCe | hi |
| 22:47.51 | Morp | Sup |
| 22:47.53 | n-iCe | Morp: ask |
| 22:47.55 | somiaj | Morp: only if we don't have to read your mind |
| 22:48.25 | Morp | Fresh install of Debian on a Dell Inspiron laptop I got a few days ago, and my wifi doesn't work. |
| 22:48.43 | Morp | The laptop does not have a network card so I tried both my USB wifi dongles, and neither are detected by Debian |
| 22:49.10 | Morp | A wired connection, is detected and works fine. |
| 22:49.19 | somiaj | debian has a clear distincition between open free (DSFG free) software and non-free software. Most wifi cards require non-free firmware. |
| 22:49.39 | somiaj | you most likely just need to determine what wifi card you have and install the non-free firmware from the non-free repo (which may need to be enabled) |
| 22:50.29 | Morp | D-Link wireless adapter |
| 22:50.36 | Morp | Should I just google the firmware for it? |
| 22:51.03 | bin_bash | yeah you should look up the device and linux driver |
| 22:51.07 | bin_bash | ive had issues with that kind of thing |
| 22:51.28 | allizom | Morp: lspci | grep -i net |
| 22:52.12 | bin_bash | allizom: it's external |
| 22:52.24 | bin_bash | lspci wouldnt show it |
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| 22:52.31 | bin_bash | but Morp if you do lsusb you should see something there |
| 22:52.35 | allizom | thought it was built-in card |
| 22:52.38 | bin_bash | nope |
| 22:53.14 | somiaj | lsusb will show usb connections. The chipset might help out, unsure what d-link uses for chipsets |
| 22:54.16 | Morp | lsusb | grep -i net had no output, lspci won't either because, its not a PCI device |
| 22:54.26 | Morp | oh. uh. I should try plugging it in. |
| 22:54.43 | somiaj | yea without it pluged in you won't get much info |
| 22:55.03 | Morp | Running lsusb with it plugged in had no difference. |
| 22:55.25 | somiaj | don't grep for net, just run lsusb and list all the devices, figure out which one is the network card, you can also check the output of dmesg |
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| 22:55.32 | bin_bash | unplug it and then do dmesg --follow and then plug it back in again |
| 22:55.52 | bin_bash | i gtg <3 have a good weekend folks |
| 22:56.25 | Morp | lsusb with it plugged in resulted in a few "device 001, root hub" |
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| 22:57.59 | Morp | "You must go to *long link to wireless.kernal.org* and download the correct firmware for this version |
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| 22:58.04 | Morp | Im assuming thats what im looking for. |
| 22:58.28 | somiaj | we are just trying to figure otu what chipset you have so we know what firmware package to suggest. Debian provides most firmware pacakges from their non-free repo |
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| 23:01.08 | Morp | I went to the link the error gave me for the correct firmware, I think im good from here. |
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| 23:02.51 | somiaj | Morp: you should really get the firmware from debian if you can, this way upgrades can be provided automatically from debian. |
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| 23:03.08 | somiaj | but so far you have not told us what chipset or firmware it needs so we can't help tell you what package to install |
| 23:04.57 | Morp | I found a package for it. |
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| 23:05.27 | Morp | I did some google-fu on the chipset and found the open source ones for the card. |
| 23:06.38 | somiaj | the firmware is not opensource, that is why you had to install it sepratally |
| 23:06.43 | somiaj | the driver is open, the firmware is not |
| 23:06.46 | Morp | ah |
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| 23:08.43 | Morp | Using dmesg, I can't find the chipset for the usb |
| 23:09.47 | somiaj | dmesg won't give you the chipset, lsusb or dmesg will |
| 23:10.00 | somiaj | dmesg will give you errors from your kernel, it might tell you what firmware file you are missing to search for which can be just as useful |
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| 23:10.35 | Morp | lsusb has nothing listed on a chipset. |
| 23:12.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | is it one you can plug in and out? then the relevant bits should turn up in dmesg when you plug it in |
| 23:12.24 | Morp | Yes those bits showed up but the chipset wasnt one of them |
| 23:15.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | maybe you can put that in a pastebin⦠|
| 23:15.18 | Morp | SURE |
| 23:15.21 | Morp | *sure |
| 23:15.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's better to see *something* of the original data |
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| 23:16.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | than nuffin |
| 23:16.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | also⦠shouldn't you see what device it is in lsusb by comparing the output before and after plugging it in? |
| 23:18.09 | Morp | http://pastebin.com/b2fKEt0F |
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| 23:20.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | is that by any chance 15ish years old |
| 23:20.32 | Morp | Definately not 15 years old but maybe 10 |
| 23:20.36 | Morp | But then again, so is this laptop. |
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| 23:21.05 | somiaj | realtek might had been enough info, it is the chipset manufacture, so firmware-realtek should have the firmware |
| 23:21.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah |
| 23:21.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I just found a post with someone trying to load it on potato |
| 23:21.41 | somiaj | also your dmesg says you have a usb disconnect, did you disconnect the usb device before running lsusb |
| 23:21.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | potato's from ~2000 |
| 23:21.52 | Morp | No. |
| 23:22.35 | Morp | This laptop is borderline potato status. Runs Debian and a few light-ish games flawlessly though. |
| 23:23.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, so is firmware-realtek installed? |
| 23:23.36 | Morp | I diddnt manually install that so where could I look |
| 23:23.53 | Morp | would dpkg work? |
| 23:24.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:24.11 | somiaj | Morp: if you get a copy of the firmware-realtek package |
| 23:24.17 | somiaj | ,v firmware-realtek |
| 23:24.18 | judd | Package: firmware-realtek on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free: 20161130-2~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-2; sid/non-free: 20161130-2 |
| 23:24.21 | somiaj | !non-free |
| 23:24.22 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 23:24.32 | somiaj | you may need to configure a non-free repo so you can apt-get install the package |
| 23:24.53 | Morp | firmware-realtek is not installed |
| 23:25.24 | Morp | yeah sudo apt-get install firmware-realtek wasnt able to find the package |
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| 23:26.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | that is debian jessie, right |
| 23:26.19 | Morp | found it on debian.org |
| 23:26.23 | Morp | oldstable? |
| 23:26.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | wheezy? |
| 23:26.46 | Morp | https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=firmware-realtek |
| 23:26.51 | Morp | Thats where I am right now. |
| 23:26.55 | somiaj | I woudln't use wheezy for a desktop, as it has security issues, but you need to add non-free |
| 23:27.06 | somiaj | Morp: add non-free as I've said multiple times and the bot told you how to do it |
| 23:27.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's no oldstable right now |
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| 23:27.11 | somiaj | !non-free sources |
| 23:27.11 | dpkg | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «aptitude update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
| 23:27.19 | somiaj | !wheezy-lts |
| 23:27.19 | dpkg | Security support for Debian 7 "Wheezy" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2016-04-25. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures receive additional long term support (LTS) via <wheezy/updates> until 2018-05-31. See http://deb.li/2aC for excluded packages. No changes to /etc/apt/sources.list are needed for wheezy-lts. |
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| 23:27.29 | somiaj | it has some support, but desktop things like browsers are outof date and insecure |
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| 23:27.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | time for me to sleep. good luck; bye |
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| 23:28.48 | Morp | I am currently on jessie |
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| 23:30.07 | somiaj | anyways change the end of the lines from 'main' to 'main contrib non-free' in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:30.12 | somiaj | then run apt-get update, then install it with apt |
| 23:30.16 | Morp | Just did and apt-get updated |
| 23:30.23 | Morp | It found realtek's firmware |
| 23:30.42 | Morp | Alright it finished apt-get installing that |
| 23:30.57 | Morp | Going to try going off of wireless instead of this ethernet, so I may drop. |
| 23:31.25 | somiaj | you'll have to reload the correct module, or maybe reboot to get the firmware to work |
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| 23:34.13 | Morp | testing |
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| 23:34.31 | Morp | Looks like dropping the ethernet killed my connection |
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| 23:35.02 | Morp | USB is still not detected even though I now have realtek-firmware |
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| 23:37.41 | Morp | According to dpkg, firmware-realtek is installed, but changed nothing for the USB dongle |
| 23:37.45 | allizom | Morp: can you try to reboot? |
| 23:37.54 | Morp | Sure. dropping connection. |
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| 23:40.30 | Morp | Diddnt work. |
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| 23:44.34 | allizom | are you running a DE? Do you use NetworkManager? What have you tried doing? |
| 23:44.54 | allizom | "didn't work" is a bit vague |
| 23:46.45 | allizom | ^ Morp |
| 23:46.48 | Morp | Whatever the default DE for Debian is, I havnt gotten around to installing Cinnamon yet |
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| 23:47.05 | Morp | and "diddnt work" happened when I dropped ethernet and tried to switch to the wifi |
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| 23:47.13 | Morp | That was my return message after the suggested reboot |
| 23:47.48 | allizom | Have you configured it to use your WLAN? |
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| 23:48.04 | Morp | Diddnt know I had to do that. |
| 23:48.55 | allizom | Ok, so I assume you're using GNOME. There should be an icon in your upper-right bar on your screen |
| 23:49.43 | Morp | yep |
| 23:49.52 | allizom | And when you click on it, available SSIDs are shown |
| 23:50.01 | Morp | Wired is my only option |
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| 23:52.32 | allizom | hm, I am reading that this specific USB card may only be supported with a nonfree driver, give me some time |
| 23:52.58 | allizom | Is that an 802.11ac card? |
| 23:53.03 | Morp | Sure. |
| 23:53.26 | Morp | We already tried to find the chipset, wasnt listed anywhere |
| 23:53.48 | allizom | it's right there in your paste |
| 23:53.55 | allizom | idVendor=2001, idProduct=3314 |
| 23:54.03 | Morp | Diddnt know that was the chipset |
| 23:54.04 | Morp | So okay. |
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| 23:58.18 | Morp | Accidentally killed the process for my IRC client |
| 23:59.49 | allizom | I can't find a reference saying there's support for this in the mainline kernel |