| 00:00.02 | allizom | So it probably unsupported at the moment |
| 00:00.25 | allizom | Do you have another wireless card to use instead? |
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| 00:03.50 | Morp | Yeah but my other one is just as old and had the exact same problem so, it probably wont work. |
| 00:04.17 | allizom | there's only one way to be sure |
| 00:05.51 | awal1 | mpv next file Return. previous? |
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| 02:40.36 | sigdk | I want to update my eclipse as shown here: https://linuxconfig.org/install-the-latest-eclipse-java-ide-on-debian-8-and-ubuntu-16-04-linux |
| 02:40.47 | sigdk | here is my sources.list: https://paste.debian.net/922486/ |
| 02:41.11 | sigdk | in which the jessie-backports is different |
| 02:41.19 | sigdk | than the one he suggests... |
| 02:41.22 | sigdk | shall I replace it? |
| 02:42.32 | somiaj | ,v eclipse |
| 02:42.33 | judd | Package: eclipse on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.8.0~rc4-1; jessie: 3.8.1-7; sid: 3.8.1-8; stretch: 3.8.1-10; sid: 3.8.1-10 |
| 02:43.23 | somiaj | sigdk: the suggestion is you need to install java8 from jessie-backports not eclipse |
| 02:46.17 | sigdk | somiaj, current eclipse release is the 4.6.2... but 3.8.1 is the lastest for debian? |
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| 02:46.49 | somiaj | sigdk: that appears to be the case, so that page suggest you install it locally, as you only need a more modern java for it, and java8 is in jessie-backports |
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| 02:47.28 | sigdk | somiaj, I have openjdk-8-jdk & openjdk-8-jre , aren't they enough? |
| 02:47.57 | sigdk | hm, yes they are |
| 02:48.01 | sigdk | one more question.... |
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| 02:48.15 | steamengine | help |
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| 02:49.15 | sigdk | I want to upgrade to Stretch... can I just replace my sources list and upgrade or shall I expect things to break? |
| 02:49.21 | sigdk | *dist-upgrade |
| 02:49.21 | somiaj | sigdk: yes, those are the packages it is suggesting you install from jessie-backports |
| 02:49.30 | somiaj | !jessie->stretch |
| 02:49.41 | somiaj | hmm, wonder why that factoid dint' triger |
| 02:49.44 | somiaj | !stable->testing |
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| 02:50.13 | somiaj | sigdk: things may break. Debian tries to ensure things are upgradable, but depending on the system there can be issues. The release notes list some of the issues, but those are still in developement. |
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| 02:50.56 | awal1 | whezzy->jessie |
| 02:51.11 | awal1 | jessie stretch |
| 02:51.48 | sigdk | broken ^^ |
| 02:51.53 | awal1 | sorry |
| 02:51.56 | somiaj | sigdk: In most cases the upgrade should be smooth, but if you have third party packages/sources, or other custom things on your system, the upgrade becomes harder. But yes, debian is designed to be upgraded, so if you want to change to stretch, you just need to change your sources. |
| 02:51.57 | EastTexas | Would debian be a too complex for a Web/Graphic Designer? I'm a W7 Pro user |
| 02:52.01 | somiaj | !wheezy->jessie |
| 02:52.05 | awal1 | I was trying with dpkg |
| 02:52.05 | sigdk | somiaj, locally I install to /opt preferably, right? |
| 02:52.20 | somiaj | sigdk: /usr/local is just fine too, and is already in your $PATH |
| 02:52.29 | awal1 | i thought I was with it in private :P |
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| 02:52.57 | somiaj | sigdk: /opt is a good place for standalone thigns that live in their own directory, /usr/local is nice for unix style aps that want to put stuff in /usr/local/bin, /usr/local/share, /usr/local/lib, /usr/local/include etc which debian is already configured to use |
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| 02:54.10 | sigdk | somiaj, how do Install there? the guy at the eclipse url downloads the tar, uncompresses and just calls ./eclipse to start the binary |
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| 02:56.09 | sigdk | somiaj, how do Install there? the guy at the eclipse url downloads the tar, uncompresses and just calls ./eclipse to start the binary |
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| 02:56.51 | EastTexas | Debian too complex for a Web/Graphic Designer? I'm a W7 Pro user I'm going to switch to Linux Full Time - I don't want to go back to a Mac nor will I go Windows 10 (666) |
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| 02:58.12 | somiaj | EastTexas: Debian is actually a nice system to switch to, though there are some common issues you will run into during the switch and it is worth learning how to correctly deal with them. |
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| 02:58.39 | somiaj | sigdk: this is a standlone directory, put it whever you want. Keep it in $HOME/ or copy/move it over to /otp |
| 02:59.00 | EastTexas | I have in the past installed Puppy & Xububto on old boxes |
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| 02:59.31 | EastTexas | spelling 8/ |
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| 03:01.17 | EastTexas | How secure is Debian vs Mint vs Fedora vs uBuntu? |
| 03:02.08 | somiaj | EastTexas: Debian has a very well document policy, part of it requires some software not be included due to poor quality or put into contrib or non-free due to licenses. This does make some things not as automatic as other distros, but for the most part Debian can do anything any distro can, just needs to be configured correctly |
| 03:02.17 | deego | EastTexas: 1 3 4 2 :) |
| 03:02.45 | somiaj | in terms of security, part of a frozen system makes debian a good thing to secure. Debian security team is regurally fixing known security holes. In comparision, by default debian is decentally secure, but a lot of security depends on how it is used. |
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| 03:04.31 | EastTexas | Mints Xfce firewall is stealthed ports but it answers something unlike Fedora 25 Design Suite's firewall |
| 03:04.56 | EastTexas | I'm doing the ShieldUP GRC test... |
| 03:05.43 | EastTexas | In the end I just want to stay safe... |
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| 03:06.09 | somiaj | I don't really follow what you mean. Debian by default won't have any firewall, but it also won't be running open services unless you install them. |
| 03:06.22 | somiaj | If you install services you don't want the outside world to have access to, you will have to configure your own firewall. |
| 03:06.30 | EastTexas | ok thanks 8) |
| 03:07.01 | EastTexas | All I have is a software firewall |
| 03:08.08 | somiaj | debian uses the default iptables with the kernel, but there are front ends to it. Again if you don't install software you don't want listening on a port, you don't really need to worry about a firewall. |
| 03:08.28 | somiaj | but a lot depends on use case, and what software you need/use |
| 03:08.34 | sigdk | I've installed openjdk8... any idea why java version gives me "1.7.0_95" ? |
| 03:09.12 | EastTexas | Java wants a newer or older version? |
| 03:10.12 | somiaj | sigdk: you most likely have both installed and the laternatives is using java 7 by default. |
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| 03:10.31 | somiaj | sigdk: man update-alternatives and look at the the java laternative |
| 03:11.14 | somiaj | sigdk: update-alternatives --config java should allow you to choose java8 as the default |
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| 03:12.08 | sigdk | somiaj, indeed thanks |
| 03:14.09 | EastTexas | Will Krita 3.x run on Debian? it's very picky with Mint/uBuntu |
| 03:15.22 | somiaj | ,krita |
| 03:15.25 | somiaj | ,v krita |
| 03:15.26 | judd | Package: krita on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:2.4.4-3; jessie: 1:2.8.5+dfsg-1+b2; sid: 1:3.1.1+dfsg-1; stretch: 1:3.1.1+dfsg-1 |
| 03:16.03 | somiaj | EastTexas: in debian stable, the suggested version for people new to debian and those who want security 2.8.5 is the version debian comes with |
| 03:16.30 | somiaj | in stretch, 3.1.1 is there, but stretch is only frozen, it won't be released and stable until this summer. Once it releases you can upgrade to stretch and get 3.1.1 from there |
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| 03:16.45 | EastTexas | there is a well know krita artist how had to switch to Manjaro due to Mint Problems |
| 03:16.51 | somiaj | I'm unsure on any issues installing this outside of debian. But debian works best if you stick with the packages it provides and don't go and start mixing things. |
| 03:17.19 | somiaj | if you want to follow bleeding edge software, debian may not be the best for you, we think many people suffer from |
| 03:17.22 | somiaj | !sns |
| 03:17.22 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 03:17.26 | EastTexas | Thanks for the Krita Info 8) |
| 03:17.58 | somiaj | the software debian provides is well tested and is known to work together and you shoudln't have any issues. Issues start to arise if you don't properly install newer versions of software correctly, and in some cases you really can't in a nice manner |
| 03:18.00 | UDBA | Unutrasnja Drzavno Bezbednosna Agencija Socijalisticke Federativne Republike Jugoslavije |
| 03:18.05 | EastTexas | I see both sides of the coin & it dives me nuts |
| 03:18.43 | EastTexas | stability is a plus |
| 03:19.30 | somiaj | depends on the software, there is plenty of software you can develop and run the newest version on Debian, there is also plenty of new software that just isn't compadable with debian due to to many libaries needing to be upgraded too |
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| 03:19.52 | somiaj | but provided one learns how to properly manage debian and deal with say third party software you can get a good mix, a stable base system. |
| 03:19.54 | EastTexas | I learned as kid some of us can't jump that mud puddle.... |
| 03:20.25 | somiaj | the other option is vms, run debian stable and then use vms with other distros/or unstable to use the newer stuff. Means your system will always be running at the stable level |
| 03:21.26 | EastTexas | I like using the latest GIMP, Inkscape, Krita, Scribus |
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| 03:21.59 | somiaj | I don't know enough about those to say how hard they would be to install locally on a debian system. |
| 03:22.36 | somiaj | Depends really on two things, if debian's libaries are new enough and if you want to take the time to build/compile/manage these installs. |
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| 03:22.45 | EastTexas | When it comes to the OS... I'm holding out for after shocks... |
| 03:23.00 | Ragnarokkr_ | EastTexas: If you like the latest I would also consider building them from source |
| 03:23.28 | EastTexas | I have to compile everything? |
| 03:23.42 | somiaj | and debian works good for that with many pieces of software. I have things I always build from source, wine is the main one I like to keep up to date here |
| 03:23.51 | Ragnarokkr_ | EastTexas: Yes |
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| 03:24.51 | somiaj | EastTexas: you might only just have to compile the few peices of software you want to have the newest version of. |
| 03:24.51 | EastTexas | In Win7 i can download the latest whatever & use it... it works most of the time |
| 03:25.50 | somiaj | well this isn't windows. One of the things you have to get use to is you won't be able to just download softawre you find (even if it is .deb form) and install it. The shard libary system doens't work that way. |
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| 03:26.34 | somiaj | but since most things have the source code, one thing that does work is building it on your system. |
| 03:26.40 | Ragnarokkr_ | EastTexas: Also, you usually get a performance increase in speed when you build from source on Linux or Windows |
| 03:27.19 | EastTexas | ok thanks for the tip.. I never compiled anything... |
| 03:28.38 | Ragnarokkr_ | EastTexas: Beyond Linux From Scratch is a good primer for compiling programs on linux |
| 03:29.08 | EastTexas | I hate being a noob again... this time w/ Linux |
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| 03:32.35 | EastTexas | thanks for the help ya'll |
| 03:37.34 | sigdk | I did an upgrade to all packages.... what more will a dist-upgrade do? |
| 03:37.58 | somiaj | eh, on modern systems the preformance increase you gain by compiling for your hardware/libaries is small and not really noticiable (there are situations where this is wrong, but mostly it isn't worth the hassle) |
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| 03:38.22 | somiaj | sigdk: the manpage expalins this, but dist-upgrade allows apt to remove/install packages during the upgrade. So it can allow you to upgrade everything |
| 03:39.17 | sypher | There's also a pretty big section in Don't Break Debian about installing from source. |
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| 03:45.43 | Ragnarokkr_ | sypher: but there is also a command in dpkg to install from source |
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| 03:48.03 | sypher | Ragnarokkr_: You are aware of the difference between the two methods, yes? |
| 03:48.44 | somiaj | what do you mean in dpkg to install from source? |
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| 03:51.51 | Ragnarokkr_ | sypher: dpkg-source |
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| 03:55.01 | johnjay | in a jigdo file there is an md5sum for each individual file in the deb cd. But what is the one at the top of the file for? |
| 03:55.20 | johnjay | It says it's "Template-MD5Sum=" but I computed md5 of the template and it's not the same |
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| 03:57.53 | sypher | Ragnarokkr_: Yes, and the other is "make install," which is what I'd assume you mean if you're talking about installing newer versions than are packaged in Debian. |
| 03:58.18 | stoned | I have to run a catching proxy |
| 03:58.23 | stoned | squid or something else? |
| 03:58.29 | stoned | Slow internet here |
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| 04:03.55 | Ragnarokkr_ | sypher: if your installing a newer version of a package configuration and make steps usually throws a warning if there are any problems |
| 04:04.18 | sypher | Ragnarokkr_: I refer you to... |
| 04:04.20 | sypher | !dontbreakdebian |
| 04:04.21 | dpkg | from memory, dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
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| 04:04.40 | sypher | Ragnarokkr_: And the part that says "don't do that." So please don't give that advice in this channel. |
| 04:05.16 | sypher | Ragnarokkr_: Especially to people who are obviously new to both Debian and Linux as a whole. That's asking for trouble. |
| 04:07.22 | sypher | Ragnarokkr_: Those that are sufficiently experienced in Debian system administration will know how to install software from source without breaking things, and won't need to seek assistance here to do so. |
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| 04:12.19 | satyagrahi | so debian is not for those who seek out trouble? |
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| 04:13.23 | sypher | If you want trouble, then by all means. Just don't lead novices into it. :P |
| 04:13.48 | somiaj | satyagrahi: we suggest one learns how debian stable works and why before first. So we try not to advise things that could cause trouble. |
| 04:14.21 | satyagrahi | warning: don't make install unless you are bad to the bone |
| 04:14.35 | satyagrahi | gotcha |
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| 04:43.47 | lep | so there is a list of servers that are queried for apt-get packages. lets say you run across a tutorial that tells you to run "apt-get install X" so you know that somewhere out there, there is a server with X. how do you find the name or address of that server with no other info than the name of X? |
| 04:44.10 | lep | oh and this is assuming that when you sun apt-get it cant find the package |
| 04:44.20 | lep | of course |
| 04:45.10 | lep | is there one central source that can be searched? this has always baffled me |
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| 04:49.48 | Robr3rd | Looking for some help. I'm getting "Depends: [...] is not installable" and "Depends: [...] is not going to be installed" errors on Debian 8. I've done due diligence in searching but all attempts have failed from SO, for instance. System is currently 100% up-to-date. |
| 04:50.01 | Eduard_Munteanu | lep, there's packages.debian.org, but mirrors should be mostly in-sync. |
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| 04:53.44 | lep | Eduard_Munteanu: my package, steamcmd, is not there. i googled it and found a result on launchpad https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/steamcmd |
| 04:53.59 | lep | where on that page is the address that im supposed to add to sources.list |
| 04:54.08 | lep | the url itself? |
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| 04:55.11 | Eduard_Munteanu | lep, steamcmd is in testing and unstable, but not in stable |
| 04:56.02 | Eduard_Munteanu | No, you're not supposed to add anything to sources.list. |
| 04:56.15 | Eduard_Munteanu | That's just the package search interface. |
| 04:56.39 | Eduard_Munteanu | And if you're talking about the launchpad, that's Ubuntu stuff. |
| 04:57.06 | lep | ok. steamcmd is not found. i installed it on another system earlier. wat do |
| 04:57.15 | lep | already did apt-get update |
| 04:57.37 | Eduard_Munteanu | lep, possibly a testing/stretch system? |
| 04:57.54 | lep | https://packages.debian.org/sid/games/steamcmd |
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| 04:59.23 | Eduard_Munteanu | That's the sid/unstable package, not stable. |
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| 05:02.07 | lep | ok it looks like its only stable on ubuntu |
| 05:02.31 | lep | i assumed it would be available for debian for sure |
| 05:02.45 | lep | shows how much i know |
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| 05:14.47 | aZz7eCh | what is this?? I have been running Debian 8 for ... 3 years ish as my primary desktop. I have a Debian server for filesharing sitting over there. I use a Sync program to 'backup' my system regularly to the server. Recently, I decided to try doing away with my "samba" shares on the server, and connect to it via SFTP instead. I can copy and read and do waht I like to my hearts content through nautilus ... my sync program on the other hand ... qu |
| 05:14.47 | aZz7eCh | eues up the 30G of new data to copy over, files to delete and update ... begins copying ... appears to DO the entire 30gb transfer... then at the end ... i get nothing but repeated errors for every single file in the summary / report, ... saying ... |
| 05:15.44 | aZz7eCh | i... accidently closed that windows - rerunning it to grab the exact error info |
| 05:16.32 | aZz7eCh | will copy paste as soon as i can get it back up... but basically its not able to set the 'time' of the file as it writes it to the server |
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| 05:17.11 | somiaj | what sync program are you using? |
| 05:17.47 | aZz7eCh | FreeFileSync .. close to Microsoft's old "SyncToy" |
| 05:17.59 | somiaj | is this part of debian or some third party program? |
| 05:18.13 | somiaj | I personally just suggest using rsync, incldued by default, works great over ssh |
| 05:18.19 | aZz7eCh | FreeFileSync - 3rd Part / pretty general standard program |
| 05:18.27 | somiaj | well included in debian. |
| 05:18.33 | aZz7eCh | i would use Rsync but rsync doesn't 'sync' |
| 05:18.37 | aZz7eCh | it only copies. |
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| 05:18.53 | somiaj | what do you mean by sync then? |
| 05:19.00 | Robr3rd | Update: After I've narrowed my issue down to, "when I have `jessie-backports` enabled I cannot install anything". |
| 05:19.11 | aZz7eCh | :) |
| 05:19.37 | aZz7eCh | somiaj ... rsync isn't a true 'sync' .. it doesn't remove orphaned files or folders etc.. it doesn't check for changes like that |
| 05:19.49 | somiaj | why don't you think it does |
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| 05:20.01 | somiaj | You can remove files that are no longer on the source from the destination if you want to |
| 05:20.23 | aZz7eCh | manually, after the fact ? |
| 05:20.29 | somiaj | no, with rsync |
| 05:20.37 | somiaj | read the manpage, it has a very extensive set of options |
| 05:20.38 | Robr3rd | (`rsync --delete` deletes things on the target that do not exist in the source) |
| 05:20.51 | somiaj | check the --delete option |
| 05:21.14 | somiaj | rsync via options can do all sort of different styles of backups/copies to meet your needs. |
| 05:21.19 | aZz7eCh | there is most definiltely a "major" functionallity that is missing from simply using "rsync" ... else ..i would have been using it all this time. |
| 05:21.48 | somiaj | what? |
| 05:22.20 | somiaj | you can do an exact sync, have it remove old files no longer on the source for the destination, what else do you not think it does? |
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| 05:23.39 | aZz7eCh | you're asking me to, this second, try and set up rsync again like i did last year, year before, year before that ... get to the same 'problem'/'inability' of using plain old rsync ... in order to tell you what the exact failing is. |
| 05:23.50 | aZz7eCh | in any case |
| 05:24.06 | aZz7eCh | i will post the very much 'filesystem' error message shortly |
| 05:24.07 | somiaj | I am saying rsync probably already does what you want it to, provided you give it the right options. |
| 05:24.48 | somiaj | As for your case, we don't really support third party software here, maybe someone will have an idea why it is failing to set the times on the backup files correctly, I was just trying to give you a more supported solution. |
| 05:25.04 | aZz7eCh | i haven't told you what the issue is yet o0 |
| 05:25.07 | aZz7eCh | ... |
| 05:25.07 | somiaj | do post the error, others may know the software or be able to help your solution. |
| 05:26.04 | aZz7eCh | ((actually good test would be to see if rsync throws the same errror : after all, freefilesync simply uses rsync for what it does acheive perfectly fine. |
| 05:26.45 | somiaj | yea maybe just try a few files, do you have a time issue between the two systems, so it is trying to set a future time on the backup? It could also be a permisions issue |
| 05:26.51 | Eduard_Munteanu | FWIW, rsync requires no setup if you just go through ssh. |
| 05:27.23 | aZz7eCh | somiaj, wouldn't servers often have times out of whack ? |
| 05:28.03 | somiaj | aZz7eCh: not unless they are missconfigured. Most just install ntp (which runs ntpd) to keep time synced. |
| 05:28.15 | somiaj | sometimes it is a utc vs local time that maybe samba shares didn't run into. |
| 05:28.26 | aZz7eCh | hmmm |
| 05:29.02 | somiaj | but it isn't uncommon for hardware clocks to drift, and if two systems have different times you can run into issues like one thing tring to write a 'future' time which the system may not like |
| 05:29.07 | aZz7eCh | local machine: 18 March 13:28:47 AWST 2017 |
| 05:29.17 | aZz7eCh | server had: Saturday 18 March 13:30:46 AWST 2017 |
| 05:29.24 | aZz7eCh | within seconds of each other ran date |
| 05:29.46 | aZz7eCh | so actually my desktop is a couple of mins behind the servers tiem |
| 05:30.19 | somiaj | anyways, try to get the error, also if you can reproduce it with rsync on a sample tree it will be easier to debug |
| 05:30.33 | aZz7eCh | yep will have a play and see |
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| 05:35.01 | johnjay | anybody know about the jigdo file format? |
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| 05:36.05 | somiaj | johnjay: not really, what is your oveall goal? |
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| 05:36.12 | johnjay | when i want to know file formats that always seems to be hard info to find somehow |
| 05:36.48 | johnjay | somiaj: basically i wanted to know md5 for old debian releases. in jigdo file there is a line called template-md5 |
| 05:37.04 | johnjay | but it doesn't match the md5 of the template file. |
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| 05:38.43 | somiaj | johnjay: yea saw that question earlier, unsure what it means, any reason you have to use jigdo to get an install image for an older debian release? |
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| 05:38.45 | johnjay | i presume the line-by-line md5s are for individual files at least |
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| 05:39.02 | johnjay | somiaj: it's the only way for most of them |
| 05:39.23 | johnjay | also isn't it the preferred way? i thought i read that on debian site |
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| 05:40.29 | somiaj | I never had much luck with jidgio, nowdays you can download iso's directly, though usually one only needs to download a small netinstall iso for this |
| 05:41.28 | somiaj | downloading lots of large isos can put strain on servers, but I don't think it is a big deal as it was. There are also torents, but unsure for old releases. |
| 05:41.51 | johnjay | my understanding is jigdo is the preferred method for all old releases |
| 05:42.06 | johnjay | basically because it allows to save space by having packages and not isos or something |
| 05:43.31 | somiaj | that could be it, though in that case really I would suggest just a netinstall and download only the packages you need, not big cd, images |
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| 05:45.17 | aZz7eCh | 13:29:34ErrorCannot write modification time of "/run/user/1000/gvfs/sftp:host=holly,user=queeg/mnt/raid/queeg/BACKUP/aaron/Pictures/DCIM/Camera/IMG_20141110_121347.jpg.ffs_tmp". |
| 05:45.17 | aZz7eCh | Error Code 95: Operation not supported [futimens] |
| 05:45.37 | aZz7eCh | somiaj, that is the result for every file in the report at the end of a sync. |
| 05:45.47 | johnjay | does netinstall verify checksums for everything it downloads? i'm on unstable internet |
| 05:45.51 | aZz7eCh | about to sit down and fiddle with rsync - will le tyou know when i've done that |
| 05:45.55 | johnjay | so basically i can't download files > 1 GB. |
| 05:46.04 | johnjay | so jigdo is a godsend for me |
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| 05:51.18 | aZz7eCh | somiaj, https://hastebin.com/bexilomosa.sql |
| 05:51.30 | aZz7eCh | somiaj, exact same error when using rsync |
| 05:51.48 | aZz7eCh | if i switch back to the servers "samba" shares, it will work fine. |
| 05:51.49 | somiaj | what filesystem are you backing up to? |
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| 05:52.04 | aZz7eCh | what is the server ? |
| 05:52.09 | aZz7eCh | base install of debian 8 |
| 05:52.32 | aZz7eCh | the filesystem is NTFS on the server |
| 05:52.37 | somiaj | no the actual filesystem on the backup loaction. I saw an operation not permitted, sounded like maybe you might be backup to some other filesystem |
| 05:52.38 | aZz7eCh | for that shared drive |
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| 05:53.08 | somiaj | that is probabaly the issue, you can't do all the standard time operations on that filesystem from linux, samba was just acting as a translater (it can't do that either) and thus making it work |
| 05:54.13 | aZz7eCh | holy carp le tunnel |
| 05:54.44 | aZz7eCh | i need to wipe the ntfs part and redo with ext4 ? |
| 05:55.01 | somiaj | or configure rsync or whater your sync tool is to not update the time info |
| 05:55.22 | aZz7eCh | if the time isn't updated ... i'll be left only able to comparison by sie |
| 05:55.24 | aZz7eCh | size* |
| 05:55.44 | aZz7eCh | and thats no good |
| 05:56.45 | somiaj | well I would suggest backing up to the same file system, you will loose filesystem info copying from ext4 to ntfs. |
| 05:57.31 | aZz7eCh | yeah when i built the server years ago ... i put ntfs on the partition and samba... expecting to still be living in a windows world needing access to the box |
| 05:57.34 | somiaj | I was just suggesting you could work, you most likely wern't copying over the same time info, and just getting the time the file was last updated on the file system. |
| 05:57.41 | aZz7eCh | i haven't touched windows in like ... 4-5 years now |
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| 05:58.02 | somiaj | with samba you should still use ext4 on the linux side, the samba will do the translation into window sharing info for you. |
| 05:58.12 | aZz7eCh | ahhh okay |
| 05:58.13 | somiaj | this way when working on the system itself you are using a nice *nix filesytem. |
| 05:58.22 | aZz7eCh | alright - i'll make that my next step then |
| 05:58.30 | aZz7eCh | .. where the hell to move all this data to? :P |
| 05:58.46 | aZz7eCh | thanks for your input today man. |
| 05:58.49 | somiaj | try running rsync to an ext4 part of your install witha few files, I think you'll notice the error goes away as a test. |
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| 05:58.59 | aZz7eCh | okay yep |
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| 06:08.31 | sn0wmonster | what's a good web proxy i can use for debian? |
| 06:08.45 | sn0wmonster | something that i can just connect to directly in my browser, enter an address, and be wisked away |
| 06:08.53 | sn0wmonster | (not tunnel, not openvpn, etc) |
| 06:09.51 | sn0wmonster | has anyone used "tinyproxy" before? |
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| 06:28.55 | jsync | Hello, I'm curious if anybody can give me an easy & quick fix to this situation. My debian install does not recognize my nvidia card & I can't even get to a login screen. |
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| 06:34.03 | somiaj | what nvidia card and what version of debian? |
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| 06:35.17 | jsync | somiaj, I have a simple Verto pci nvidia card. The nouveau drivers do not let me see login screen. I can get into Grub, & that's about all. |
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| 06:38.36 | twistero | sn0wmonster: tinyproxy works fine |
| 06:39.04 | somiaj | jsync: what actual card, like gforce, quadro, version, etc? You can disable the display manager and maybe boot up into a console and debug things from there |
| 06:39.36 | sn0wmonster | twistero, do you happen to know where it installs to? i just 'apt-get install tinyproxy' but |
| 06:39.49 | sn0wmonster | if i tinyproxy from the command-line, it doesn't recognize it |
| 06:39.58 | jsync | PNY Verto Geforce 6200 |
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| 06:40.30 | twistero | maybe in /usr/sbin |
| 06:40.48 | twistero | but you should probably run it as a service |
| 06:40.51 | somiaj | jsync: that is an older card, I'm surprised nouveau don't work with it. If you want to use the non-free drivers, you'll have to use the legacy drivers, I think 304.xx is the version that might support cards that old. |
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| 06:40.56 | sn0wmonster | how does one do that? |
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| 06:41.09 | sn0wmonster | cd tinyproxy |
| 06:41.13 | sn0wmonster | oops wrong window |
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| 06:41.45 | twistero | first try running systemctl |
| 06:42.00 | twistero | look for tinyproxy in the list |
| 06:42.07 | jsync | Are there instructions published for this problem? It seems inescapably common considering the issue, though I didn't find instructions. |
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| 06:43.08 | twistero | The config file is probably /etc/tinyproxy.conf |
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| 06:43.54 | somiaj | !tell jsync about nvidia kernel dkms |
| 06:44.05 | somiaj | jsync: those are some rough instructions, but you'll have to adjust you want this package |
| 06:44.11 | sn0wmonster | twistero, tinyproxy.service loaded active running LSB: Tinyproxy HTTP proxy |
| 06:44.14 | somiaj | !nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver |
| 06:44.20 | somiaj | ,v nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver |
| 06:44.22 | judd | Package: nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/non-free: 304.134-0~deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 304.134-0~deb8u1; jessie-backports/non-free: 304.134-1~bpo8+1; sid/non-free: 304.135-2; stretch/non-free: 304.135-2 |
| 06:45.01 | jsync | ok, can I edit my grub so that I can see my login screen? |
| 06:45.04 | somiaj | jsync: that driver will support your older card, it is the nvidia non-free driver, so only use it if you want to. Again I'm surprised that the nouveau driver didn't support that card, you may want to debug that. You could also try the nvidia driver, your choice. |
| 06:45.22 | somiaj | jsync: isn't there a safemode you can boot into? Maybe that won't load the display manager |
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| 06:46.18 | twistero | sn0wmonster: so it's already running, check the config file to see what port it's listening on |
| 06:46.44 | sn0wmonster | ty, and to restart it would i just use systemctl restart tinyproxy ? |
| 06:47.33 | twistero | yeah, [sudo] systemctl <start|stop|restart|enable|disable> tinyproxy |
| 06:47.48 | twistero | use journalctl to see logs |
| 06:47.50 | somiaj | jsync: all the solutions I know of to boot and disable the display manager require first booting from a live system. I think you can do something like 'init=/bin/bash', but not really fmailar with this |
| 06:47.57 | sn0wmonster | is systemctl something specific to systemd? |
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| 06:48.07 | twistero | yup |
| 06:48.46 | sn0wmonster | ty twistero |
| 06:48.51 | twistero | np |
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| 06:49.50 | jsync | I can't believe that somebody hasn't written a page to help with this issue. I installed debian just fine, though this system doesn't have an onboard video (it's a large Dell T7400), & so I had to use an auxilary card & can't see the login screen. |
| 06:51.36 | jsync | I did various google searches "debian install for nvidia card", etc., & there's not a page with help instructions. :( |
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| 06:57.23 | PoaB | hi guys |
| 06:57.58 | PoaB | anybody an idea where i get official information about maintenance and support windows for debian? so e.g. debian 7 if still in support / extended security support or not? |
| 06:59.17 | mandeep | PoaB: i believe each LTS is 5 years after release |
| 06:59.48 | mandeep | so Debian 7 would be May 2018 i think |
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| 07:00.22 | sn0wmonster | twistero, hmm. seems i am confused. i wanted a "web proxy" in the sense that it has a page to visit in a web browser that you can tell it where to go after. tinyproxy is a "web proxy" in the sense that it's an HTTP proxy you add to a browser's connection settings |
| 07:00.35 | dutchfish | PoaB, about extended support (once debian 9 is released) https://wiki.debian.org/LTS |
| 07:01.05 | PoaB | mandeep and dutchfish: ok. that helps a lot.. was afraid that i have to go for a migration on my priv. server |
| 07:01.11 | dutchfish | PoaB, for now it is still stable, so fully supported. |
| 07:01.12 | PoaB | thx |
| 07:01.32 | jsync | I kept looking around. I finally found a page subreferenced within a separate column. It seems promissing, though Ctrl+Alt+F1 has yet to actually incite the terminal login prompt. http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=63487 |
| 07:03.18 | twistero | sn0wmonster: ah, then you want something like glype https://www.glype.com/ |
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| 07:03.31 | jsync | Thus far, Ctrl+Alt+F1 is giving distorted [ 157.83--774 ] nouveau E[ etc. ] DMA_PUSHER - ch 0 [DRM] etc. lines of code. |
| 07:03.53 | sn0wmonster | www.glype.com is protected by BlockScript. BlockScript is security software which protects websites and empowers webmasters to stop unwanted traffic. Your request was blocked because you appear to be accessing this website from a Tor exit node. |
| 07:03.56 | sn0wmonster | oh the irony |
| 07:04.01 | sn0wmonster | (since that's why i wanted to install it :)) |
| 07:04.19 | twistero | lol |
| 07:04.50 | twistero | search for "glype proxy" to see some openly hosted glype instances |
| 07:05.09 | twistero | maybe try them |
| 07:05.46 | twistero | in order to install glype to your own server you would need apache + php, or substitute apache with any other web server you like |
| 07:06.40 | jsync | I just got in. I kept reading. I had to type Ctrl+Alt+F1 & then type Ctrl+Alt+F2 & I got the terminal login. |
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| 07:11.09 | sn0wmonster | twistero, lol BlockScript® Integration protects the proxy by blocking specified countries, filtering companies, malicious traffic, bots and spiders, and more. |
| 07:11.13 | sn0wmonster | that's a feature of glype itself! |
| 07:11.25 | sn0wmonster | i hope that can be disabled, because i'd be using it *from* Tor :X |
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| 07:22.28 | twistero | sn0wmonster: well, you could host it as a hidden service |
| 07:22.40 | sn0wmonster | good point. |
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| 07:23.54 | amitprakash | Hi, vulkaninfo throws a /build/vulkan-kX_g0b/vulkan-1.0.39.0+dfsg1/demos/vulkaninfo.c:1485: failed with VK_ERROR_INITIALIZATION_FAILED |
| 07:23.57 | amitprakash | How do I resolve this? |
| 07:26.15 | aZz7eCh | somiaj, you still around? you wouldn't believe it. i set up another drive on the server. wiped/partitioned/formatted ext4. mounted. gave permissions for the sftp user i'm logging in as ... go to sync ... exact same error again. |
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| 07:31.14 | aZz7eCh | https://hastebin.com/mejajudoli.sql |
| 07:31.29 | aZz7eCh | that target, is an ext4 fs on the server. |
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| 07:32.28 | aZz7eCh | the dialog that comes up in gnome says error 95 = Operation not supported [futimens] |
| 07:32.48 | aZz7eCh | doesn't seem to reflect the specifics from rsync verbose |
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| 07:50.32 | aZz7eCh | how do i give my main user chmod/chown permissions ... i think that might be the issue |
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| 07:51.34 | jelly | aZz7eCh: you can't. What you can do, is give them permissions to run some commands via sudo. |
| 07:52.51 | aZz7eCh | i dont think that would help in this situation |
| 07:53.12 | jelly | aZz7eCh: gvfs mount points may not support all the POSIX features anyway |
| 07:53.38 | jelly | try using rsync via ssh instead. |
| 07:54.22 | jelly | (you need rsync installed on both ends) |
| 07:55.22 | aZz7eCh | i am so confused as to why i can copy files fine, manually through nautilus. I can rsync/freefilesync to my hearts content if my gvfs is pointed at a "samba" share location ont he same machine ... |
| 07:55.51 | aZz7eCh | but rsync/freefilesync via sftp is complete fail ? i 'thought' sftp 'was' ssh-ftp |
| 07:56.47 | aZz7eCh | or ssh period ... like you're suggesting i now do |
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| 07:58.29 | jelly | all the gvfs stuff is hacky. I have no idea which features are implemented properly and which and missing or buggy |
| 07:58.47 | BenNZ | aZz7eCh: what are you wanting to do ? |
| 07:58.56 | aZz7eCh | BenNZ scroll up to see the issue. |
| 07:59.02 | aZz7eCh | and links. |
| 07:59.25 | aZz7eCh | thing is jelly - i'm not interested in rsync command lining such a basic hting |
| 07:59.27 | BenNZ | aZz7eCh: not sure i was in the channel at the beginning of the issue |
| 07:59.37 | aZz7eCh | i am networked to the machine ... i can nautilus all i like to it |
| 08:00.13 | aZz7eCh | i have all the permissions under the sun ... i can create/delete/execute as the user, through simply 'connecting to server' in nautilus (files) |
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| 08:00.24 | aZz7eCh | is this not the Correct way to be networked ? |
| 08:00.44 | aZz7eCh | if it is correct ... then why in the WORLD ... would i not be able to rsync / freefilesync to the location |
| 08:01.18 | aZz7eCh | a samba share as the destination on the same machine, does everything fine ? seeming crazy |
| 08:01.20 | BenNZ | aZz7eCh: are you able to ssh into the machine using that user without a password ? |
| 08:01.30 | aZz7eCh | no |
| 08:01.33 | aZz7eCh | dont think so |
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| 08:02.28 | BenNZ | aZz7eCh: what access does your user have to /run/user/1000/gvfs/sftp:host=holly,user=queeg/mnt/ext500/DCIM2/DCIM2/.VID_20170206_072158.mp4.UDHR2u as an example |
| 08:02.43 | jelly | aZz7eCh: I'm offering a workaround that may give less issues |
| 08:02.55 | jelly | aZz7eCh: if you need it |
| 08:03.17 | aZz7eCh | no i realise - i'm just saying jelly ... seems crazy that i am networking exactly the way linux machines connect to each other by default, no? |
| 08:03.18 | BenNZ | aZz7eCh: in my opinion if you want to use sftp then use that rather then gvfs |
| 08:03.37 | aZz7eCh | i am tho, no ? |
| 08:03.45 | aZz7eCh | i have connected to the server |
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| 08:03.47 | jelly | aZz7eCh: you're not. linux servers do not use gvfs, that's Gnome-only |
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| 08:03.53 | aZz7eCh | ergo its location is now /run/user/blah blah |
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| 08:04.45 | jelly | there's no real "default" for networked filesystems on linux. You may pick cifs/samba, or nfs, or something else |
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| 08:05.31 | aZz7eCh | o0 i've been dumping samba shares for straight sftp "connect to server" through a nautilus |
| 08:05.31 | BenNZ | aZz7eCh: personally i would use sshfs and mount the location in /mnt/whatever , then change the perms to suit |
| 08:05.55 | BenNZ | not sure if that is the "proper" way , but it works |
| 08:05.57 | aZz7eCh | problem with that BenNZ is if the server goes to 'sleep' .... it freezes any machine that currently had it open or is tryignt o locate it |
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| 08:06.18 | BenNZ | aZz7eCh: another reason not use gvfs |
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| 08:06.37 | Faded11 | hi |
| 08:07.01 | aZz7eCh | well i cant leave the server sshfs connected because of the sleeping |
| 08:07.07 | aZz7eCh | so that no solution |
| 08:07.08 | damo22 | anyone tried to use clang on debian? theres no linker... |
| 08:08.43 | BenNZ | aZz7eCh: ok i dont use sleep for the server here , except for drives , and when i need to access it remotely it wakes them up |
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| 08:28.15 | Steve__ | Hi.. Can any tell me the exact meaning of "Event log Wrapped" |
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| 08:32.52 | Guest65717 | i'm using a live usb stick with debian 8.7.1 and unfortunately the desktop is not starting, i'm just getting a screen with lines as though an image is broken. however i am getting access to tty and the terminal is working fine |
| 08:33.12 | Guest65717 | i tried with 8.7.1 kde, 8.7.1 gnome, and currently with 8.6.0 kde |
| 08:33.35 | Guest65717 | but it's always the same behavior |
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| 08:34.45 | aZz7eCh | okay Jelly, BenNZ, thank you for fielding the issue. I will play around with sshfs'ing for now as it seems to resolve ANY time/filesystem issue |
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| 08:36.13 | jelly | aZz7eCh: sshfs works over sftp as well, there should be no functional difference, which points to the gvfs sftp thingy being buggy |
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| 08:37.13 | jelly | I wouldn't rely on gnome components like that for anything but casual, workstation use |
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| 08:37.58 | aZz7eCh | tbh i have no idea how sshfs 'connects' |
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| 08:38.14 | aZz7eCh | i would have presumed sftp |
| 08:38.21 | aZz7eCh | one thing i have always noticed tho |
| 08:38.28 | aZz7eCh | is sshfs is the only way i get gigabit lan speeds |
| 08:39.05 | aZz7eCh | all other protocols i seem to only get 20mb/s tops |
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| 08:41.24 | aZz7eCh | the downside to fstabbign sshfs connections, like i said however ... is that if the server is in 'sleep mode' and your sysetm tries to ping i ... ie, you open Files (nautilus) ... you're then in for a 2 minute FREEZE while it times out |
| 08:41.46 | aZz7eCh | same crud on booting obviously |
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| 08:41.55 | amitprakash | Hi, I am getting a /build/vulkan-kX_g0b/vulkan-1.0.39.0+dfsg1/demos/vulkaninfo.c:1485: failed with VK_ERROR_INITIALIZATION_FAILED .. how do I resolve this? |
| 08:44.21 | Steve__ | hi |
| 08:46.24 | Steve__ | Can any one help me with the exact meaning of "Event log wrapped" |
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| 08:47.29 | plasmoduck | I can only run gparted as room |
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| 08:55.37 | Guest65717 | i'm using a live usb stick with debian 8.7.1 and unfortunately the desktop is not starting, i'm just getting a screen with lines as though an image is broken. however i am getting access to tty and the terminal is working fine |
| 08:55.38 | Guest65717 | i tried with 8.7.1 kde, 8.7.1 gnome, and currently with 8.6.0 kde |
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| 09:12.21 | jelly | Guest65717: which graphic card is in there? How new is this hardware? |
| 09:12.55 | jelly | Guest65717: can you show the complete "lspci -nn" for that card |
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| 09:19.19 | Guest65717 | jelly: my hardware may be damaged, I'm not sure, it's a thinkpad x301 |
| 09:19.46 | Guest65717 | jelly: i'm creating a new stick, it's taking a few minutes, then I'll be able to give the output for lspci |
| 09:20.23 | jelly | x301 sounds old enough to be supported |
| 09:20.49 | Guest65717 | it's an old computer I haven't used in a while, and has no hard drive |
| 09:22.07 | aZz7eCh | so if i run [ sudo sshfs -o allow_other queeg@holly:/mnt/ext500 /mnt/usb500 ] ... i get my lovely little connection. i want to add this to fstab ... but sudo i causing me an issue. every time i sudo this command, it wants me to add it to hosts like this: https://hastebin.com/hoxurejabu.coffeescript so i type yes. it then asks me for my password as that user on the server ... so i type that in.. voila, i'm connected. so whats the prob? well. i |
| 09:22.07 | aZz7eCh | f i then umount and add this command to fstab in this method: https://hastebin.com/uciwugozux.rb it indeed runs when i [ sudo mount -a ], but still, asks me to type yes, and then the password for the user. how can i automate this so that it just uses the ssh key info from my local user ? |
| 09:22.20 | jelly | Guest65717: you may want to try an older debian 7 image, maybe |
| 09:22.55 | aZz7eCh | root obviously isn't storing .ssh key stuff like my default user ~./ssh is |
| 09:23.09 | Guest65717 | jelly: how can I make sure in the command-line that the wifi is disconnected? |
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| 09:24.47 | Guest65717 | jelly: is it possible to check some error messages somewhere to see what's wrong during the boot? or when I type startx in tty? |
| 09:24.52 | jelly | Guest65717: I don't know. rfkill? Does that machine not have a physical kill switch for wifi? |
| 09:25.29 | jelly | Guest65717: X keeps logs in /var/log/Xorg.0.log. kernel logs are in /var/log/kern.log, or output of "dmesg" command |
| 09:26.07 | Guest65717 | jelly: ok i'm trying a new boot now I'll see |
| 09:26.26 | jelly | aZz7eCh: root user has a different home dir, its ~ is /root |
| 09:26.33 | Guest65717 | no there is no kill switch, except for a button on the F5 key (with Fn modifier) |
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| 09:27.02 | aZz7eCh | yeah no i realise but if i [ sudo ssh queeg@holly ] ... why does that not automatically update root's .ssh/ info |
| 09:28.13 | jelly | aZz7eCh: update what? |
| 09:28.49 | jelly | it will add the remote machine host key to ~/.ssh/known_hosts once, after that it's there |
| 09:28.54 | aZz7eCh | okay jelly. i'm logged into this pc as Aaron right now. if i [ssh queeg@holly ] for the first time, it will come up saying something liek this : https://hastebin.com/hoxurejabu.coffeescript |
| 09:28.58 | aZz7eCh | in which you hav eto type "yes" |
| 09:29.03 | aZz7eCh | once you have done this, it is done for good. |
| 09:29.03 | Guest65717 | Xorg.0.log has some errors |
| 09:29.06 | aZz7eCh | you dont get asked again. |
| 09:29.19 | Guest65717 | open /dev/dri/card0 no such file or dir, same for /dev/fb0 |
| 09:29.24 | aZz7eCh | so why if i "SUDO ssh queeg@holly" does that not automatically update root's .ssh key info |
| 09:29.27 | Guest65717 | Screen 0 deleted because of no matching config section |
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| 09:29.38 | Guest65717 | AIGLX, reverting to software rendering |
| 09:30.03 | jelly | aZz7eCh: you seem to already have some conflicting host keys in place, remove those first |
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| 09:31.54 | aZz7eCh | okay |
| 09:32.02 | aZz7eCh | that fixed the being asked for a yes no |
| 09:32.17 | aZz7eCh | but sudo mount -a is still prompting me for password for queeg@holly |
| 09:32.45 | aZz7eCh | this is my fstab entry: https://hastebin.com/uciwugozux.rb |
| 09:33.07 | jelly | aZz7eCh: do you have a key pair in /root/.ssh/id* to be used? |
| 09:33.58 | aZz7eCh | all thats in /root/.ssh is known_hosts (and old) |
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| 09:34.34 | jelly | then you have to enter a password |
| 09:34.55 | aZz7eCh | every time my computer boots ? |
| 09:35.04 | aZz7eCh | because as is ... you simply get no connection |
| 09:35.15 | aZz7eCh | unless you manually terminal and sudo mount - a |
| 09:35.34 | jelly | yes |
| 09:35.47 | jelly | if you don't have key-based auth, you need a password |
| 09:35.47 | aZz7eCh | ... i never had to do this before |
| 09:35.56 | jelly | that's how ssh works |
| 09:36.51 | jelly | presumably you've set up key-based auth for your normal user at some point in the past |
| 09:37.08 | aZz7eCh | but the normal user cant run fstab |
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| 09:37.17 | jelly | the same thing would now have to be done with root as well, if that's what you want |
| 09:37.48 | aZz7eCh | i never had to previously |
| 09:38.02 | aZz7eCh | and ... i'm LOOKing at the very lines i commented out from back when i use to run sshfs |
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| 09:38.47 | aZz7eCh | this is my fstab entries |
| 09:38.47 | aZz7eCh | https://hastebin.com/cigohalagu.rb |
| 09:38.51 | aZz7eCh | the 2nd one from the top |
| 09:39.02 | aZz7eCh | is the one that ALWAYS use to create the connection COMPELTELY automatcially for me |
| 09:39.18 | aZz7eCh | the rest are me tryign to make the same shit work again |
| 09:39.20 | jsync | hello, has anybody else noticed that the screen tries to lock even after lockscreen is turned off within Jessie? |
| 09:39.23 | aZz7eCh | oop - excuse the french sorry |
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| 09:40.05 | jelly | aZz7eCh: it's cut off. |
| 09:40.44 | aZz7eCh | oh so it was. sorry. https://hastebin.com/tahevujuxe.rb |
| 09:40.45 | jelly | you seem to have pasted from an editor that goes "$" instead of wrapping the line |
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| 09:40.56 | aZz7eCh | i'm copyign from nano :P |
| 09:41.19 | missmbob | nano -w |
| 09:41.38 | aZz7eCh | its okay i just increased the window and recopy pasted |
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| 09:42.00 | missmbob | !tell aZz7eCh -about pastebinit |
| 09:42.15 | jelly | I don't automount sshfs, no idea what's needed for that. however I do "mount /blah" as normal user sometimes, and the entry for /blah in fstab looks like |
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| 09:42.31 | jelly | alucard:/export/cartman /export/sshcart fuse.sshfs noauto,x-systemd.automount,_netdev,user,idmap=user,allow_other,reconnect 0 0 |
| 09:42.51 | aZz7eCh | -.- |
| 09:43.10 | jelly | aZz7eCh: note the lack of sshfs# in device and different fstype |
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| 09:44.01 | jelly | noauto,x-systemd.automount,_netdev,user are fstab options. The rest is sshfs-specific options. |
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| 09:49.22 | jelly | aZz7eCh: also, IdentityFile=/home/aaron/.ssh/known_hosts looks very wrong. You probably wanted IdentityFile=/home/aaron/.ssh/id_rsa or similar |
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| 09:51.14 | jelly | so then root uses the ssh key from a specific path, instead of looking in /root/.ssh/ for available keys |
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| 09:52.40 | aZz7eCh | does .ssh/id_rsaetc ... refer to entries inside known_hosts? |
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| 09:53.58 | aZz7eCh | because if its looking for actual files or folders called id_* .. they simply aint there. known_hosts and .old are the only files |
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| 10:10.39 | BluesKaj | 'Morning all |
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| 10:37.43 | lakada | Hello all |
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| 10:40.34 | lakada | I Have a Question: |
| 10:40.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | we guessed that much ^ ^ |
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| 10:41.10 | lakada | how i can disable x11vnc / kde shutdown / restart button |
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| 10:42.58 | lakada | why the user "lakada" have rights ro shutdown or restart on kde |
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| 10:44.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | because he's logged in locally and could just press the button to shut it off or pull the plug |
| 10:45.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | and x11vnc just hooks into that existing local session (I think it can also start a virtual server, though) |
| 10:45.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you start some vnc server with a virtual X, that's a remote and not a local console login and the user shouldn't be able to shut down |
| 10:46.12 | lakada | how can i disable the Buttons ?..i already disabled the ssh reboot command and startet the vnc with user "lakada" |
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| 10:51.10 | lakada | To: CutMeOwnThroat , how i can i set this up ? |
| 10:52.04 | lakada | sorry for my typing too early this morning |
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| 11:23.22 | Guest65717 | i started tails on TTY (I have no access to the desktop), and I'm not able to run any sudo command, I get "Sorry, user is not allowed to execute [...] as root" |
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| 11:26.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | lak⦠oh well |
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| 11:28.25 | hiya | Do you know why Chromium on linux won't turn on Cam even when it has permissions? |
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| 11:28.34 | hiya | I am on Debian 8 |
| 11:29.19 | petn-randall | hiya: Did you test the camera if it works with other software? |
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| 11:30.07 | hiya | petn-randall, it works |
| 11:31.39 | petn-randall | hiya: So the problem is, you go on a website that requests the camera, a box shows up that asks for permission, you click allow. Then nothing happens? |
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| 12:28.45 | stoned | chromium uses flash for camera |
| 12:28.56 | stoned | most sites request acesss and it is done through flash iirc |
| 12:29.04 | stoned | so maybe flash is a chromium problem? |
| 12:29.16 | stoned | chrome come with it, maybe in chromium you need a flash? |
| 12:29.32 | stoned | hiya: ^ |
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| 12:41.01 | stoned | !penix sypher |
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| 12:41.06 | stoned | penix strike no more? |
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| 12:41.17 | stoned | And would you kindly stop spamming me w/ the bot? Thanks. |
| 12:41.29 | stoned | I'm not a very nice person especially in the morning. Don't poke me. |
| 12:41.37 | raidghost | Web interface for admininistration of openvpn (other vpn) servers. Any suggestion? |
| 12:41.43 | raidghost | Must be opensource |
| 12:42.53 | sypher | stoned: I'm not a very nice person to arrogant little shitheads like you at any time of day. So would you kindly fuck off with your attitude? |
| 12:43.08 | sypher | raidghost: https://community.openvpn.net/openvpn/wiki/RelatedProjects#Activeprojects |
| 12:43.25 | stoned | ignored. |
| 12:43.28 | sypher | raidghost: There MIGHT be some promising projects listed there, probably under the management GUI section. I can't speak for any of them. |
| 12:44.01 | stoned | I honestly don't have time for this. Go try to police over someone else. I dont' functio in the conditioned nonsense way you do. Now g'way. G'way, you. |
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| 12:44.48 | stoned | jelly: ping |
| 12:44.51 | stoned | jelly: 12:40 <dpkg> sypher wants you to know: The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. |
| 12:44.54 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:44.57 | stoned | 12:44 <dpkg> sypher wants you to know: The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. |
| 12:45.00 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:45.16 | stoned | this guy is constantly spamming me bot messages, and I don't wish to be spammed or annoyed. Could yo ukindly have this man stop abusing the bot? |
| 12:45.19 | stoned | Thanks. |
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| 12:47.15 | stoned | hiya: i was trying to podcast once and chrome (not chromium) had a similar issue with the camera, let me know if you can't figure out |
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| 12:47.27 | stoned | I might could be able to help figure it out. |
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| 12:47.28 | stoned | Wicked. |
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| 12:49.02 | stoned | raidghost: there was one written by a japanese university, unsure if it's a FE for openvpn or another vpn solution altogether |
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| 12:49.29 | stoned | raidghost: might be called Softether |
| 12:49.48 | stoned | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SoftEther_VPN |
| 12:49.59 | stoned | University of Tsukuba ahh. |
| 12:50.57 | stoned | SoftEther VPN Server serves the SoftEther VPN protocol, but it also serves OpenVPN, Microsoft Secure Socket Tunneling Protocol (SSTP) |
| 12:51.10 | stoned | I dunno, Japanese people make awesome things. Maybe this too |
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| 12:51.39 | stoned | That's got some pretty alright features. Nice. |
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| 12:54.54 | raidghost | sypher: Thanks for great info. Have a blessed Day/night/Afternoon :) |
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| 13:01.50 | Cl0udN9ne | yo stoned |
| 13:02.03 | Cl0udN9ne | one of your stoned moments huh? |
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| 13:03.11 | sine0 | is there a build tools meta package |
| 13:03.15 | sine0 | im on minimal |
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| 13:03.27 | sine0 | trying to apt-get every damn compilation error |
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| 13:04.15 | towo` | sine0, what are you trying to build? |
| 13:04.21 | missmbob | build-essential is the normal start |
| 13:04.57 | sine0 | ok |
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| 13:06.35 | sameer | The channel is set to hidden, so it will not show up in when searching channels. |
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| 13:24.08 | jelly | sypher, stoned: please play nicely with other kids. And stoned, repasting flood in the public channel is not a good idea. If you have a grievance and quotes to paste, do it in #debian-ops next time (or PM) |
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| 13:44.14 | stoned | jelly: ok |
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| 13:44.43 | stoned | I wonder if there is a way to run a radio stream online using any software in debian |
| 13:45.08 | stoned | I was interviewed by TokeRadio.com yesterday regarding my book, and I noticed they had prop. hundreds of dollars worth software (I forgot the name) windows stuff. |
| 13:45.30 | stoned | Something about taking an audio input from mic, and turning that into a stream that I can maybe host on my website |
| 13:45.40 | stoned | Not sure how any of this works, anyone have experience or ideas? |
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| 13:47.46 | jelly | "SAM Broadcaster" is one such windows stuff, dunno about any comparable free software with a similar featureset |
| 13:47.57 | stoned | That was the one I think they were using |
| 13:48.05 | stoned | hm. |
| 13:48.20 | jelly | or, indeed, hw and software linux platform to make your audio not stutter, ever |
| 13:48.27 | stoned | I don't even rememer or know any features, I just want to be able to talk into my mic and have it stream live on my site. I have a debian vps. |
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| 13:48.50 | stoned | I wonder there has to be soem kinda streaming software in linux |
| 13:49.03 | stoned | http://www.rivendellaudio.org/ found this |
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| 13:49.59 | teraflops | ,v butt |
| 13:50.00 | judd | No package named 'butt' was found in amd64. |
| 13:50.08 | missmbob | i know when i looked into youtube live they suggest some software to use in linux for streaming. dont remember which one |
| 13:50.40 | teraflops | stoned: butt is a good one, not packaged in debian though |
| 13:51.04 | jelly | stoned: apt-cache search icecast |
| 13:51.15 | stoned | Well, for now, I am streaming to FB and to YT using this thing called OBS studio on laptop |
| 13:51.21 | stoned | ok |
| 13:51.21 | teraflops | stoned: https://sourceforge.net/projects/butt/files/butt/butt-0.1.13/ |
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| 13:51.44 | stoned | Oh, the shoutcast clone thingy |
| 13:51.46 | stoned | nice |
| 13:53.00 | stoned | So I need a mixer, and at least two mics, put mixer into PC and have that convert audio input to a stream, and then host that on my website? |
| 13:53.03 | stoned | hm. |
| 13:53.28 | stoned | I wonder how to make that from my pc to my vps. |
| 13:53.39 | stoned | (reading the butt page now) |
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| 13:55.16 | jelly | find an icecast channel and ask about their ecosystem, there's tons of components in and around it |
| 13:55.29 | stoned | looking at the ice docs now |
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| 13:56.29 | stoned | So I setup the icecast server on my vps, which will stream to the world? and locally I run a client which connect to the sever and streams from my pc to there? |
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| 13:56.41 | stoned | man this is a bit confusing, sure it will maybe clear up in time |
| 13:56.59 | teraflops | stoned: you can use ffmpeg + pulseadio and a set of scripts or something with a GUI like butt or similar |
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| 14:01.00 | teraflops | stoned: right, you can use something like mpd/ffcast/whatever to stream to an Icecast2 server |
| 14:01.04 | mtcj | Can someone tell me what the consequences of a larger- or smaller-than-default inode size? |
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| 14:01.31 | mtcj | Other than less or more inodes in the filesystem |
| 14:01.42 | dTal | determines the smallest filesize |
| 14:01.58 | dTal | or rather the smallest amount of space a file can take up |
| 14:02.03 | teraflops | mtcj: you dont want to run out of inodes |
| 14:02.25 | stoned | if you have lots of small files, you might want s amaller inode size |
| 14:02.55 | mtcj | I reduced the blocksize on a filesystem to accommodate tens of thousands of small files, but ran out of inodes. |
| 14:03.13 | mtcj | So I specified the number of inodes manually and recreated the filesystem. |
| 14:03.31 | stoned | blocks per inode: 3.99628 |
| 14:03.31 | stoned | bytes per inode: 16368.7 |
| 14:03.40 | stoned | For me, default I think is ext4 |
| 14:03.53 | stoned | 16k, you can make it small but you'd hve to nuke the fs |
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| 14:04.21 | mtcj | I have a bs of 1K and a manually specified 256000 inodes in a 1GB filesystem |
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| 14:09.14 | mtcj | So what's the difference between inode size and block size? |
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| 14:13.41 | coreutil | hello channel members, how can I enable touchpad scrolling on debian? it is not available in settings. |
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| 14:14.24 | deznuts | Think it is |
| 14:15.02 | coreutil | no, I see only natural scrolling option |
| 14:15.05 | deznuts | Im on my phone but i do remember messing with that |
| 14:15.19 | teraflops | which touchpad? which settings? jessie? libinput? |
| 14:15.33 | coreutil | it is stretch. |
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| 14:15.49 | coreutil | synaptic touchpad, and the settings manager > mouse and touchpad |
| 14:16.02 | teraflops | also "in settings"? your not being specific at all? |
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| 14:16.37 | teraflops | coreutil: gnome? plasma? xfce? mate? ^ |
| 14:16.38 | coreutil | sorry, what have I not presented so far? |
| 14:16.45 | coreutil | oh it's gnome 3 |
| 14:17.17 | teraflops | so stretch + gnome3 is libinput I think |
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| 14:17.47 | coreutil | teraflops, do I need to install libinput? |
| 14:17.57 | teraflops | coreutil: is it installed? |
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| 14:18.03 | coreutil | I will check |
| 14:18.14 | teraflops | coreutil: this channel is for jessie support mainly |
| 14:19.13 | teraflops | coreutil: if youre using libnput xinput can list all available properties of your touchpad |
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| 14:20.01 | coreutil | teraflops, on this channel I was recommended to upgrade to stretch. besides, both are debian, where else am i supposed to go? |
| 14:20.27 | coreutil | teraflops, install libinput says unable to locate package |
| 14:20.39 | teraflops | coreutil: here is fine if there is no jessie support questions going on i think |
| 14:21.08 | jelly | before stretch is released, you can also ask in |
| 14:21.11 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 14:21.12 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 14:21.26 | coreutil | ok |
| 14:21.52 | jelly | teraflops: this channel is for _stable_ and older mainly, whatever stable may point to |
| 14:22.16 | teraflops | ok |
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| 14:30.19 | coreutil | hello again, it may probably have looked like I just left the channel, but first my display went black (with backlight) and in a few seconds my machine suddenly shut down. it'd never happened. maybe related to "stretch", too? |
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| 14:32.49 | Klaus_Dieter | hello world. I have been following https://wiki.debian.org/Wine but seem to be unable to install wine32 on a amd64 host. Unfortunately this is what seems necessary to run some 32 bit apps. This is what dpkg tells me; http://paste.debian.net/922529/ (complaining about unmet dependencies). What can I try to make this work without breaking the system? |
| 14:34.00 | towo` | Klaus_Dieter, you have enabled multiarch before? |
| 14:34.07 | Cl0udN9ne | coreutil: see dmesg or /var/log/syslog idk |
| 14:34.24 | Klaus_Dieter | towo`: yes. dpkg --print-foreign-archs shows i386. |
| 14:34.56 | towo` | Klaus_Dieter, you hve backports enabled and installed some packages from there? |
| 14:35.08 | Klaus_Dieter | towo`: unfortunately yes. |
| 14:35.20 | coreutil | Cl0udN9ne, syslog file doesnt open, so strange. it says unknown file type |
| 14:35.23 | Cl0udN9ne | thts not unfortunate |
| 14:35.36 | towo` | Klaus_Dieter, then propably you want apt install wine32 -t jessie-backports |
| 14:35.37 | Cl0udN9ne | coreutil: either tht or dmesg |
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| 14:35.57 | Cl0udN9ne | idk i havent seen my systems dmesg logfiles |
| 14:36.22 | Klaus_Dieter | towo`: ineed that makes dpkg stop barfing. thank you! :) |
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| 14:37.04 | coreutil | Cl0udN9ne, and dmesg says 'dmesg: read kernel buffer failed: Operation not permitted' machine shuts down, nothing works, what's going on? |
| 14:37.28 | Cl0udN9ne | coreutil: maybe you require permissions to see the logs |
| 14:37.31 | Klaus_Dieter | odd situation though. apparently that is where bpo and stable come into conflict with package versions. |
| 14:37.54 | rdz | hey all. i have would like to configure exim4 on server example.org so that it sends mails to example.org to the MX domain for example.org instead of to localhost ... how can i do that? |
| 14:37.55 | Cl0udN9ne | idk you should ask someone more experienced with how to see dmesg output |
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| 14:38.10 | Klaus_Dieter | thank you for your help. towo` |
| 14:38.48 | coreutil | Cl0udN9ne, ok, I ran the command as root, and it gave a 'long' output. what do I need to look for there? |
| 14:39.21 | Cl0udN9ne | coreutil: a blank shot but try dmesg | less |
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| 14:42.00 | Cl0udN9ne | coreutil: did it work? |
| 14:42.29 | coreutil | Cl0udN9ne, yes. I could also open syslogs with sudo. |
| 14:42.45 | Cl0udN9ne | ok cool |
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| 14:45.06 | coreutil | Cl0udN9ne, in dmesg nothing seems unusual except that at the very end I see these two lines in red: https://paste.debian.net/922533/ |
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| 14:46.10 | Cl0udN9ne | IDK man |
| 14:46.28 | Cl0udN9ne | i havent looked at the dmesg log of my own laptop |
| 14:46.37 | Cl0udN9ne | i hav no idea |
| 14:47.15 | Cl0udN9ne | is their a process named ironlake_irq_handler in your system |
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| 14:48.07 | Cl0udN9ne | jelly: srry for disturbing,but what do you think? |
| 14:48.28 | coreutil | I dont know either. and right now opening syslog gives this message: 'The file you opened has some invalid characters. If you continue editing this file you could corrupt this document. You can also choose another character encoding and try again.' never saw any of these things happening. maybe I should return to jessie |
| 14:48.47 | coreutil | this is syslog file, what invalid character? |
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| 14:49.28 | Cl0udN9ne | you shouldnt return to jessie just for this small issue |
| 14:49.49 | Cl0udN9ne | i hav been running sid for 3 months and its been fine all this tim |
| 14:49.58 | Cl0udN9ne | time^ |
| 14:50.12 | teraflops | well you better do not recommend sid imo |
| 14:50.23 | Cl0udN9ne | >:) |
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| 14:51.02 | Cl0udN9ne | what do you guys think? |
| 14:51.12 | teraflops | about what? |
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| 14:52.02 | coreutil | found out what "invalid characters" there are. it is directly related to shutdown as the characters showed up right at the moment it happened. pasting it in a minute |
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| 14:52.48 | Cl0udN9ne | teraflops: https://paste.debian.net/922533/ |
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| 14:53.17 | Cl0udN9ne | coreutil: software problem? |
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| 14:54.12 | teraflops | it looks to me like a harmless message |
| 14:54.14 | jelly | Cl0udN9ne: I think... you should avoid highlighting specific helpers especially if their idle time is nonzero |
| 14:54.21 | coreutil | Cl0udN9ne, this is what I have in syslogs. the line with zeroes are from the moment when display went dark and shutdown happened: https://paste.debian.net/922536/ |
| 14:54.34 | Cl0udN9ne | jelly: srry pls |
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| 14:56.36 | Cl0udN9ne | idk |
| 14:56.53 | Cl0udN9ne | maybe mount problem? |
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| 14:57.13 | Cl0udN9ne | Mounted POSIX Message Queue File System. |
| 14:57.21 | coreutil | I was originally here to know how I can enable scroll up/down on touchpad. while I was getting an answer, this thing happened. |
| 14:58.05 | coreutil | recently, I was recommended to install libinput. but when I tried it I got 'unable to locate package' |
| 14:58.34 | coreutil | Cl0udN9ne, I will see if it happens again, and meanwhile search for information on it |
| 14:58.50 | Cl0udN9ne | ok |
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| 14:59.10 | missmbob | coreutil: it's xserver-xorg-input-libinput |
| 14:59.22 | pos | What is the optimal way of assigning cpu/core to a KVM vm? My current config on a quad-core, octa-thread host has my vm seeing eight CPUs... |
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| 15:00.49 | zykotick9 | pos: cross posting is rude... and if you are using ubuntu keep your question(s) in #ubuntu... |
| 15:00.54 | coreutil | missmbob, oh. ok :) |
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| 15:01.07 | coreutil | missmbob, thank you |
| 15:01.32 | pos | zykotick9, ub host, deb vm ;) |
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| 15:01.46 | coreutil | it's already installed |
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| 15:02.06 | coreutil | how can I enable scroll up/down? |
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| 15:11.02 | rgr | is there really no way to get gnome shell integration working with google chrome in debian? It seems to only work with chromium but even on a new install chromium wont let me install any extensions so am using google-chrome-stable. |
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| 15:12.15 | coreutil | how can I use scrolling on synaptic touchpad on gnome3 on stretch? |
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| 15:13.07 | admiral0 | hello. I need help with flash-kernel in jessie |
| 15:13.43 | admiral0 | initrd does not set root even if Bootloader-Sets-Incorrect-Root: yes |
| 15:13.52 | admiral0 | i did update-initramfs |
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| 15:20.03 | Cl0udN9ne | coreutil: scrolling...like using the middle button of your mouse? |
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| 15:20.38 | sitejo | halloo |
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| 15:23.23 | coreutil | Cl0udN9ne, no, vertical scrolling, using the edge of the touchpad |
| 15:23.44 | Cl0udN9ne | arrow keys? |
| 15:25.24 | coreutil | not the same thing |
| 15:25.41 | Cl0udN9ne | touchpad.... |
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| 15:30.53 | lowin | Stretch won't be running a linux recent enough that'd support amd ryzen chipsets, right? |
| 15:31.00 | oojacoboo | Hey, trying to get `& ;` going within a single command, anyone know how to write this? |
| 15:31.30 | somiaj | lowin: stretch will release with the 4.9 kernel, but after stretch is released, newer kernel and hardware support may be provided via backports. |
| 15:31.31 | oojacoboo | `&` to background the previous command and `;` to execute the following regardless of the exit status of the previous |
| 15:31.43 | coreutil | Cl0udN9ne, thank you for your help. I will ask another time |
| 15:31.51 | Cl0udN9ne | ok np |
| 15:31.58 | coreutil | ciao! |
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| 15:32.45 | lowin | somiaj, ah.. the joy of backports channel. Part of the reason i'm excited for stretch is to get rid of it for a year or two! |
| 15:34.07 | somiaj | lowin: they are a solution when ones hardware isn't supported by the versions frozen in stable though. I just don't buy bleeding edge hardware |
| 15:35.46 | lowin | somiaj, ofcourse. I'm not against it. just don't like it personally because I like that the software never change so i can setup a cronjob for automatic updates without much worry |
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| 15:52.17 | streulma | what's debian's latest? Sid or unstable, can I install experimental release? |
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| 15:53.16 | JPT | streulma: There is stable, testing and unstable |
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| 15:53.29 | JPT | stable is the latest debian considered for use in production |
| 15:53.38 | JPT | testing might contain minor issues, tread with care |
| 15:53.40 | missmbob | sid == unstable. and no you cant install experimental |
| 15:54.16 | missmbob | !debian-next |
| 15:54.17 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 15:54.20 | streulma | I want to use an equivalent of Ubuntu Devel |
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| 15:54.39 | streulma | as iPad is recognised there |
| 15:54.44 | mtcj | https://wiki.debian.org/InstallFAQ |
| 15:55.15 | missmbob | streulma: that channel is best for help with sid |
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| 15:55.20 | streulma | ok thanks |
| 15:55.22 | mtcj | You can mess with Sid, but the channel for that type of discussion is that other one |
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| 15:56.37 | pi__ | test test |
| 15:56.43 | pi__ | does it work..? |
| 15:56.49 | streulma | yes |
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| 15:58.28 | pi__ | awesome! |
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| 16:01.24 | pi__ | hmm |
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| 16:02.45 | notpi | yay i did stuff |
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| 16:04.35 | oojacoboo | anyone know how to background a task with using `;` for another command? |
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| 16:05.53 | Wulf | oojacoboo: (foo; bar)& |
| 16:06.03 | oojacoboo | Wulf: ah yes |
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| 16:06.22 | oojacoboo | wait |
| 16:06.34 | oojacoboo | you have it backwards - wondering where to put the parenthesis |
| 16:06.47 | oojacoboo | I guess around the background job with the ampersand |
| 16:07.08 | Wulf | oojacoboo: so what are you trying to do? |
| 16:07.33 | oojacoboo | Wulf: something like `command -a thing & ; PID=$! true` |
| 16:08.51 | Wulf | oojacoboo: that makes no sense to me. |
| 16:09.23 | Wulf | oojacoboo: foo & PID=$!; bar |
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| 16:10.01 | oojacoboo | I want the PID assigned irregardless of the exit status of `foo` in your example |
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| 16:10.30 | Wulf | oojacoboo: what exit status? it's a background task. |
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| 16:12.48 | oojacoboo | would I want nohup? |
| 16:13.11 | Wulf | how should I know? :) |
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| 16:35.18 | jhutchins | What'd the default MTA for jessie? |
| 16:36.37 | nkuttler | still exim4, isn't it? |
| 16:36.45 | missmbob | yes |
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| 16:37.36 | centrx | Exchange |
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| 16:48.31 | awal1 | dpkg -S wmagnify ---» wmaker: /usr/bin/wmagnify wmaker: /usr/share/man/man1/wmagnify.1.gz but aptitude show wmagnify ---» E: Unable to locate package wmagnify |
| 16:48.32 | dpkg | You Fool! wmagnify ---» wmaker: /usr/bin/wmagnify wmaker: /usr/share/man/man1/wmagnify.1.gz but aptitude show wmagnify ---» E: Unable to locate package wmagnify is installed! |
| 16:48.47 | awal1 | what happens there exactly? |
| 16:49.22 | awal1 | wmagnify is provided by wmaker and it isn't a single/separate pkg? |
| 16:49.47 | awal1 | I would like to have that small app without wmaker. how? |
| 16:49.55 | jhutchins | postfix was back around lenny? |
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| 16:50.09 | petn-randall | awal1: The first command searches for package *contents*, the second command searches in package names. |
| 16:50.15 | awal1 | It is a great replacement for xzoom and the kde magnifying tool |
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| 16:50.52 | awal1 | petn-randall, I know ; I just wanted to know who provides that small utility |
| 16:50.59 | awal1 | wmagnify |
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| 16:51.18 | awal1 | looks like it is provided by wmaker |
| 16:51.31 | vlt | Hello. What package do I need to install aditionally to freerdp-x11 to get it running on an X screen on a Debian jessie install without a desktop environment? |
| 16:51.49 | awal1 | well, I have wmaker in a VM but I want that single utility in my host without wmaker, petn-randall |
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| 16:52.23 | petn-randall | awal1: Then ... compile yourself? |
| 16:52.41 | petn-randall | awal1: It's not like extra 6MB would hurt a lot. |
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| 16:53.08 | awal1 | petn-randall, compile what? |
| 16:54.10 | petn-randall | awal1: wmagnify |
| 16:54.34 | awal1 | petn-randall, oh, ok; I thought you meant compile the whole wmaker :P |
| 16:54.42 | awal1 | ok, I may try yeah ;) |
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| 16:54.57 | vlt | tries xserver-xorg |
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| 16:57.46 | awal1 | apart wmagnify, xzoom and the kde magnifying tool, is there anything else? |
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| 16:58.56 | petn-randall | awal1: What are you missing on all three? |
| 16:59.12 | petn-randall | awal1: Or are you writing up an overview of all zoom applications? |
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| 17:01.12 | awal1 | petn-randall, too much kde stuff for the kde one and xzoom just zooms once. wmagnify is perfect because it zooms continously and follows mouse but it came with wmaker :P |
| 17:02.24 | awal1 | so wondering if I missed something searching apart what I listed |
| 17:02.37 | jhutchins | This is very strange. My exim4 does not appear to have a configuration file. |
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| 17:03.03 | awal1 | probably I'll have just to try to compile wmagnify; I may get it :P |
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| 17:04.10 | nkuttler | jhutchins: purge and reinstall? |
| 17:05.03 | jhutchins | nkuttler: It's working fine, but I can't get it to relay for a local host. |
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| 17:06.10 | vahe | hi all , how to remove program completely? all database date and history |
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| 17:06.51 | awal1 | vahe, purge it |
| 17:07.04 | awal1 | apt/apt-get/aptitude purge pkgname |
| 17:08.42 | vahe | awal1: thanks |
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| 17:26.01 | orb | Hmm |
| 17:27.16 | hiya | Do you know why Chromium on linux won't turn on Cam even when it has permissions? |
| 17:27.29 | hiya | it is like it works, just that webcam won't work or turn on |
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| 17:27.35 | hiya | it did in previous version though |
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| 17:33.58 | jhutchins | It's like it's running off of the update file. |
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| 17:34.19 | jhutchins | !webcam |
| 17:34.19 | dpkg | For webcam device support in Debian, ask me about <gspca>, <uvcvideo>. See also <quickcam>, <ov51x-jpeg>, <ov511>, <m560x-driver>, <w9968cf>, <pwc>, <sn9c20x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Webcam |
| 17:34.31 | jhutchins | Chromium's not really a Debian package/project. |
| 17:34.51 | jhutchins | hiya: Obvious question is whether it works in other apps. |
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| 17:36.53 | hiya | jhutchins, it works fine |
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| 17:37.38 | bmomjian | Are there any downsides to having 4 ethernet ports on a server? My two SuperMicro ethernet ports built into the motherboard are occasionally hanging and generating kernel messages so I am thinking of buying a two-port PCI-E card and using that for networking instead. My open bug report is https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=858125 |
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| 17:38.14 | hiya | jhutchins, just that with current version of chromium won't turn on webcam |
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| 17:38.24 | hiya | Version 57.0.2987.98 |
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| 17:41.37 | n-iCe | hi |
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| 17:50.46 | orb | Ok |
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| 18:18.47 | mtcj | What do MTAs do if not given a send-to address? |
| 18:19.33 | mtcj | Apparently a send-to address is not required in the email message but I'm not sure exactly what the point of the message is at that point |
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| 18:20.28 | mtcj | No specific mention of a requirement for "one of: to, cc, or bcc" in the relevant RFC so I'm very curious |
| 18:20.45 | JPT | There's an envelope and then there's the actual message |
| 18:21.04 | mtcj | There's headers and a body |
| 18:21.24 | JPT | Delivery uses the address stated on the envelope |
| 18:21.39 | JPT | headers and body are parts of the actual message |
| 18:21.41 | mtcj | In the headers no actual destination appears to be required. I'm just wondering if there's some useful behavior if you actually omit them |
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| 18:22.12 | JPT | I don't think so - it's usually best to put useful information in there |
| 18:22.23 | mtcj | Ah so the MTA does need them, but the ultimate recipient might not get them |
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| 18:22.32 | mtcj | That makes more sense now |
| 18:22.47 | JPT | Maybe take a look at the smtp protocol and how it is used to send emails :) |
| 18:23.15 | JPT | There's "MAIL FROM", "RCPT TO" and "DATA". Everything stated in the "DATA" step is the actual message (headers + body) |
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| 18:24.50 | mtcj | I suppose that leaves me with the question, are those headers encrypted when sending mail? |
| 18:25.02 | JPT | Encryption is a tricky subject. |
| 18:25.27 | mtcj | Since now I'm realizing there's a difference between envelope and message it seems like the headers should (but not necessarily are) encrypted |
| 18:26.02 | JPT | From submission to transport to delivery there are several steps involved in the path of an email |
| 18:26.34 | JPT | First, your client (MUA, could be a web frontend or thunderbird) connects to an MTA through a submission interface (usually port 587). |
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| 18:26.54 | JPT | Since authentication takes place on there, the connection usually makes use of STARTTLS to encrypt communication |
| 18:27.32 | JPT | When the MTA accepts the submitted email, it does some dns looksup and starts to talk to the appropriate MX server through smtp (port 25) |
| 18:28.00 | JPT | If both parties support STARTTLS, they /may/ encrypt the communication. But it is not mandatory since no authentication through credentials takes place |
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| 18:28.33 | JPT | The receiving MTA may then deliver the email into your postbox (which might be accessible through imap or pop3). This is territory of an MDA. |
| 18:29.03 | JPT | When your MUA (thunderbird or something) connects to the MDA via imap or pop3, it usually authenticates itself (Since only you can access your mailbox) |
| 18:29.10 | JPT | This connection is usually encrypted |
| 18:29.42 | JPT | To conclude, the path an email takes from sender to recipient can, but does not need to be fully encrypted. |
| 18:29.52 | JPT | That's why "end to end encryption" is a thing |
| 18:30.26 | mtcj | It sounds to me like those headers could be encrypted, whether by individual systems or by users |
| 18:30.29 | JPT | This can be done using SSL user certificates through smime or through tools like gpg |
| 18:30.58 | JPT | In that case the whole body of the mail (excluding subject and other headers) is encrypted |
| 18:31.01 | mtcj | Just up to the MUA to handle it and the servers between the two to not break (anti-spam for example) |
| 18:31.58 | JPT | Well, i am not 100% certain, but i guess that the headers of an email are still relevant to do basic email routing |
| 18:32.24 | JPT | e.g. there are headers like "errors-to" which take care of where mail transport errors are supposed to go |
| 18:32.41 | JPT | If you encrypted all the headers, email routing would basically be impossible to do |
| 18:32.43 | mtcj | Hmm ok |
| 18:33.02 | JPT | Encrypting the body of an email already makes it impossible to do anti spam |
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| 18:34.15 | JPT | Email itself is a ever growing construct of technology, trying to fix issues of the past |
| 18:34.28 | JPT | If you want to get into it, prepare for a big mess :) |
| 18:34.31 | mtcj | The MDA is the point where the anti-spam is likely to happen, but what about routing? |
| 18:34.55 | mtcj | Regarding headers as opposed to the envelope |
| 18:35.11 | JPT | The MDA usually only takes care of putting emails into the inbox they were directed to (and perhaps tagging or moving email to folders based on rules) |
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| 18:35.38 | JPT | The anti-spam usually happens in a step between the MTA and the MDA, where additional headers are added to the mail indicating the spam test results |
| 18:35.54 | mtcj | Ah ok |
| 18:37.39 | mtcj | What happens with routing that would break without the headers being visible? |
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| 18:39.34 | JPT | Umm ... well, mail routing in general should still be fine since the envelope data exists. But what is supposed to happen when an MTA tries to deliver the mail to the next MTA who then rejects it. Now that mail has to bounce back somewhere |
| 18:39.48 | JPT | It's usually something like the errors-to header that takes care of this |
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| 18:40.07 | JPT | Also, additional headers in the bounce mail avoid bounce ping-pong loops |
| 18:40.33 | JPT | Feel free to research this a little :) |
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| 18:45.13 | mtcj | It sounds like a project to encrypt those headers might be fun |
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| 18:45.50 | mtcj | Gotta experiment with different service providers and create some errors, see how the services behave |
| 18:46.12 | mtcj | It might even be not a total duct tape job |
| 18:46.17 | mtcj | ;) |
| 18:46.31 | missmbob | google tried end to end encryption and gave up. fun isnt the word |
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| 18:47.47 | JPT | When it comes to end-to-end encryption, the most basic problem is exchanging keys and making sure that a public key actually belongs to the person you believe it belonged to |
| 18:47.54 | JPT | And then there's tons of other issues |
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| 18:48.22 | JPT | But if you manage to come up with a convenient and still secure concept, that would be awesome :) |
| 18:49.00 | vlt | Hello. How can I make the X server listen (on port 600x) to incoming TCP connections? |
| 18:49.38 | JyZyXEL | is it possible to convert a MBR debian installation into a GPT one? |
| 18:50.21 | missmbob | no. reinstall |
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| 18:55.20 | jelly | JyZyXEL: can you recreate all the partitions with exact same start sectors and sizes, without data loss? |
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| 18:56.24 | vlt | vlt: You replace -nolisten tcp@ with @-listen tcp@ in &etc&X11&xinitr |
| 18:56.33 | JyZyXEL | jelly: yeah |
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| 18:56.54 | vlt | (sorry, horribly wrong kb layout) |
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| 18:57.38 | JyZyXEL | i need to just add a 100 MiB EFI System Partition in the partition table and install grub-efi and use it to generate a boot image on to the ESP? |
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| 18:58.35 | JyZyXEL | oh and i also need to convert to GPT |
| 18:59.11 | mtcj | I would Google your question |
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| 18:59.32 | mtcj | Since data loss is a possibility I'm hesitant to suggest any, but there seem to be people indicating easy ways to do it |
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| 19:00.54 | JyZyXEL | is there a command line tool to show the current partition layout with all the blank space as well? |
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| 19:02.27 | mtcj | Like I said, I would Google it. It sounds like you're hoping to manually recreate the partition table and that doesn't sound like the safest choice compared to "sgdisk -g /dev/Foo" |
| 19:03.42 | JyZyXEL | it likely does need some free space in the beginning and at the end of the disk |
| 19:04.05 | jelly | JyZyXEL, sfdisk -d ... is very precise. Translating the offsets and sizes to gpt, tho, no idea |
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| 19:04.28 | jelly | make a sparse file and play with it, I guess |
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| 19:05.42 | JyZyXEL | none of the CLI disk tools show free space :/ |
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| 19:05.58 | JyZyXEL | fdisk -l, gdisk -l, cfdisk and parted, none of them show |
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| 19:07.10 | JyZyXEL | ESP doesn't need to be at the front of the disk? |
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| 19:20.55 | JyZyXEL | the standard debian jessie installation starts it's first partition at 2 MiB, meaning there is enough room for a GPT header |
| 19:21.40 | jelly | if it picks MBR, first partition starts at 1MiB (2048 sectors) |
| 19:21.42 | JyZyXEL | then there is some empty free space before the next Extended partition, that is swap |
| 19:21.55 | JyZyXEL | oh yeah, 1 MiB, not 2 MiB |
| 19:21.56 | jelly | I didn't know it picked a different offset with GPT |
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| 19:22.24 | JyZyXEL | there is also some free space at the end, around 2015 bytes |
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| 19:23.02 | jelly | JyZyXEL, note that there's also a copy of GPT at the end of the disk. An automatically generated MBR will typically occupy _all_ the space right to the end of disk |
| 19:23.04 | JyZyXEL | i wonder if that is enough for GPT footer? |
| 19:23.14 | jelly | 2015 bytes does not make sense |
| 19:23.25 | JyZyXEL | i calculated it myself, so it might be off a little |
| 19:23.28 | jelly | you can't slice disks to bytes |
| 19:23.39 | jelly | sectors only |
| 19:23.40 | JyZyXEL | Disk /dev/vda: 100 GiB, 107374182400 bytes, 209715200 sectors |
| 19:23.42 | JyZyXEL | /dev/vda5 199233536 209713151 10479616 5G 82 Linux swap / Solaris |
| 19:23.45 | JyZyXEL | thats the last partition |
| 19:24.04 | JyZyXEL | ends at 209713151 and the disk is 209715200 long |
| 19:24.11 | jelly | sectors? |
| 19:24.30 | JyZyXEL | yeah |
| 19:24.46 | jelly | not bytes |
| 19:25.36 | JyZyXEL | yeah, the start and end columns are in 512-byte sectors |
| 19:25.43 | jelly | but it's not hard to recreate a slightly smaller swap if need be |
| 19:25.48 | JyZyXEL | indeed |
| 19:26.07 | JyZyXEL | just, how much smaller does it need to be |
| 19:26.24 | jelly | you can even take notice of its current UUID and LABEL, recreate with exactly the same values, and not have to update fstab |
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| 19:27.49 | JyZyXEL | i think it only needs 1 LBA at the end? |
| 19:28.19 | JyZyXEL | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table#/media/File:GUID_Partition_Table_Scheme.svg |
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| 19:29.04 | JyZyXEL | so there already is enough free space at the end |
| 19:29.40 | JyZyXEL | but, still, i need to take 100 MiB off for the ESP |
| 19:30.20 | JyZyXEL | if debian supports ESP that is not the first partition? does it? |
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| 19:31.36 | jelly | why do you care about switching to UEFI boot on a VM? |
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| 19:33.16 | jelly | (and are you positive your VM solution even supports booting guest OS in UEFI mode) |
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| 19:34.01 | JyZyXEL | yeah, Qemu supports UEFI boot via OVMF and it makes passtrough of VGA devices simpler |
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| 19:35.12 | jelly | what's ESP? Is it that thing that gets mounted as /boot/efi ? |
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| 19:37.03 | JyZyXEL | yeah |
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| 19:37.36 | jelly | this windows 10 + ubuntu laptop has it on third partition, after windows boot manager partition and some other thing http://paste.debian.net/922576/ |
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| 20:22.28 | Limix | Hi all, how can I install the needed sounds packages to play sounds from a rasperry pi 2? I am using resin io with the following dockerfile: http://pastebin.com/kM6iv4ED |
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| 20:23.26 | skx | !debian |
| 20:23.26 | dpkg | hmm... debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
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| 20:24.56 | Qas | hello everyone, I am using stretch, and for 3rd time today my machine goes dark and subsequently shuts down, each time while using hexchat. this didn't happen when the system was running for hours before. what could be the problem here? syslogs (of both my system and hexchat) show lines of "00/00/00..." at the moment of this incident. |
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| 20:30.30 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 20:30.30 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 20:30.39 | jelly | Qas, consider asking there ^^ |
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| 20:35.16 | Qas | jelly, I will try there, too, thanks |
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| 20:53.30 | _KaszpiR_ | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=845323 not sure if Evgeni is on IRC, but you can tell him I'll probably test it this week |
| 20:53.31 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/845323 in ovirt-guest-agent (open): «ovirt-guest-agent: Ovirt-guest-agent crashes with a stack smash»; severity: serious; opened: 2016-11-22; last modified: 2017-03-06. |
| 20:53.58 | _KaszpiR_ | cba with sending email to mailing list |
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| 20:55.47 | Qas | jelly, debian-next is invite-only. if someone here invites me, I can ask it there, too |
| 20:56.05 | Qas | otherwise it'll be great to get help here. finally, both are debian, rightà |
| 20:56.06 | Qas | ? |
| 20:56.09 | missmbob | read the whole message. it's on oftc not here |
| 20:56.15 | Qas | ah |
| 20:56.23 | Qas | can anyone still help? |
| 20:56.52 | petn-randall | Qas: Sure, on #debian-next. |
| 20:57.59 | Qas | somehow I cant connect to oftc |
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| 20:58.04 | bzed | _KaszpiR_: you are looking for Zhenech, try #debian-devel or so on OFTC |
| 20:58.26 | _KaszpiR_ | thx for info |
| 20:58.58 | bzed | _KaszpiR_: passed your message on |
| 20:59.35 | _KaszpiR_ | thx, I'm actually on OFTC |
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| 21:01.02 | _KaszpiR_ | why people move away from freenode? |
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| 21:01.19 | missmbob | !tell _KaszpiR_ about oftc move |
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| 21:02.06 | _KaszpiR_ | wow 2006 |
| 21:02.15 | _KaszpiR_ | wasn't aware of that |
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| 21:04.26 | Qas | ok, I am on #debian-next |
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| 21:09.28 | Qas | missmbob, now I'm there, sorry |
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| 21:17.18 | stephanie92 | how do you guys feel about rkhunter or chkrootkit? |
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| 21:17.54 | stephanie92 | Do you think you're technically more vulnerable by running rkhunter (since pulling definitions from a remote server leaves could be exploited) |
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| 21:27.47 | Qas | it just happened again and I was disconnected. can someone maybe help on #debian-next? |
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| 21:46.08 | rgr | !tell rgr about oftc move |
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| 21:50.14 | mohamed | hi |
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| 21:55.48 | sweb | debian stuck on "Looking for other operating systems" during installation on KVM, ubuntu Host 16.04.1 LTS |
| 21:55.57 | sweb | what's the probelm |
| 21:56.08 | sweb | i reinstall it but problem not solved |
| 21:56.15 | Wulf | sweb: so you're still in the installer? |
| 21:56.25 | sweb | Wulf: yes |
| 21:56.26 | Wulf | sweb: check the logs. alt+f4 iirc |
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| 21:57.43 | sweb | Wulf: how send Alt+F4 using Virtmanager ? :/ |
| 21:58.05 | Wulf | sweb: alt-right alt-right alt-right |
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| 21:59.46 | sweb | Wulf: http://uupload.ir/files/s8un_screenshot_from_2017-03-19_01-28-16.png |
| 22:00.49 | Wulf | sweb: nothing suspcious. Check the process list? |
| 22:01.10 | sweb | on Host machine ? |
| 22:01.25 | Wulf | sweb: in the installer |
| 22:01.37 | Wulf | it's the installer that's stuck, not the host, right? |
| 22:02.40 | sweb | No host is good the installer work well until this part. |
| 22:03.36 | sweb | Wulf: how can i get process list |
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| 22:03.58 | Wulf | sweb: ps |
| 22:04.05 | Wulf | sweb: with some parameters |
| 22:05.21 | sweb | no bash available : http://uupload.ir/files/fd1x_screenshot_from_2017-03-19_01-34-38.png |
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| 22:05.54 | sweb | Wulf: found |
| 22:05.57 | sweb | please w8 |
| 22:08.07 | sweb | Wulf: http://uupload.ir/files/den3_screenshot_from_2017-03-19_01-37-28.png, http://uupload.ir/files/zps4_screenshot_from_2017-03-19_01-37-04.png |
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| 22:09.25 | Wulf | "modprobe btrfs" |
| 22:09.39 | Wulf | Why is a modprobe running? This should be a short-lived process... |
| 22:10.03 | Wulf | try killing it. kill 12935 |
| 22:10.09 | sweb | this is the pure debian-installer-net install 8.7.1 amd64 |
| 22:11.35 | sweb | Wulf: problem solved ... but why ?! |
| 22:11.44 | Wulf | dunno |
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| 22:12.28 | sweb | maybe weired but My Host has UEFI boot bios4grub ... any relation ? |
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| 22:22.54 | drab | hi, I'm trying to figure out a possible but with netcfg and a quadnic card |
| 22:23.19 | drab | anybody around familiar with that codebase that could help? or that pxe install servers with more than a nic. thanks |
| 22:23.39 | drab | (or if this isn't the right channel, where can I ask this question?) |
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| 22:43.49 | rgr | really no way to get a gnome sheel extension listener working in google chrome on debian? Thats a bit sucky if so. It only works with chromium. |
| 22:43.55 | rgr | shell |
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| 22:46.48 | Lazar_ | Zivela Srbija - Long Live Serbia |
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| 22:49.30 | ws2k3 | i have 4 interfaces in my system. 2 are onboard and 2 are a pci express NIC how can i find out which eth is onboard and which is pci-e? |
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| 22:54.17 | Wulf | ws2k3: any hint in "ls -l /sys/class/net/" ? |
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| 22:54.40 | Rusty1_ | ws2k3: do you know the manufacture of the pci-e nic chipsets ? lokk at lspci -v |
| 22:55.06 | ws2k3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:55.11 | drab | any idea about netcfg failing on a quadnic? |
| 22:55.19 | Rusty1_ | all are intel? |
| 22:55.23 | drab | it picks up the wrong interface |
| 22:55.32 | drab | all intel using the igb module |
| 22:56.12 | drab | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:56.29 | Rusty1_ | type: lspci -v | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 22:57.06 | drab | wow, the future of pasting |
| 22:57.22 | Wulf | ws2k3: also ls -l /sys/class/net/ |
| 22:57.27 | drab | poor bastard I was still on copy pasting to dpaste :) |
| 22:58.02 | Rusty1_ | take all the cables out, plug onw at a time in and look at dmesg |
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| 22:59.33 | Rusty1_ | do they have led 's , ifup/down them |
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| 23:19.47 | multi_io | are there people who configure their network via their own scripts rather than /etc/networks, but still manage to integrate nicely with systemd units that depend on network-related systemd services? |
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| 23:21.28 | somiaj | multi_io: How are you wanting to configure your network? What is wrong with /etc/network/interfaces? What method are you trying to use? |
| 23:22.23 | multi_io | somiaj: my own script, basically |
| 23:23.30 | multi_io | it's a relatively complicated setup, a router two nested bridges (one physical, one software) and a WLAN AP / hostapd as part of one of the bridge... |
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| 23:24.38 | TomTomTo1 | will stretch release with icedove? so far thunderbird is only in sid. |
| 23:24.39 | multi_io | I just barely got this to work using a bunch of brctl / ip up etc. statements and a hostapd.conf, I don't even know if this can be mapped to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:25.02 | somiaj | multi_io: you can run personal preup and postup scripts with the interfaces to make anything possible. |
| 23:25.06 | multi_io | ...and what the point of doing so would be |
| 23:25.14 | multi_io | hm |
| 23:25.42 | somiaj | TomTomTo1: if it isn't in stretch, most likely not, it is really hard to get a package back in stretch yet, have you checked the package tracker page why it was removed from testing? |
| 23:26.43 | somiaj | multi_io: I guess you could bypass the debian scripts, you may just have to make your own unit file or modify the networking target to ensure things work well at boot. I'm unsure on the details here, but I suggest using using the interfaces file so you don't have to go through all that |
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| 23:29.20 | multi_io | somiaj: yeah, that's basically my question, whether anyone has done this before |
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| 23:29.45 | multi_io | maybe I'm just ignorant to not want to do it the standard way lol |
| 23:29.55 | multi_io | *standard debian way |
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| 23:31.30 | TomTomTo1 | somiaj: they are both built from the icedove source package, so they share a tracker page. https://packages.qa.debian.org/i/icedove.html but icedove in sid is a transitional package for thunderbird but not in stretch yet. it's the same spiel as the iceweasel rebranding, only they didn't resolve it before the freeze, i guess. |
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| 23:32.49 | somiaj | TomTomTo1: yea looks like all the recent updates in icedove didn't make it into stretch in time for the freeze. There are exceptions that can be made, but I see some RC bugs against icedove, it could be that they are going to have to backport the security fixes and the likes to the version in stretch |
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| 23:34.37 | somiaj | TomTomTo1: I do see this, Ignoring block request by freeze, due to unblock request by pochu -- but it is only 3 of 10 days old. So it maybe that the new version is on its way into stretch. Appears the matainer got an exception/unblock for this package. |
| 23:35.46 | TomTomTo1 | somiaj: awesome. i missed that. thanks. |
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