| 00:00.27 | Voldenet | somewhere in section with driver "Intel" |
| 00:00.31 | Voldenet | :P |
| 00:00.34 | Voldenet | I hope there is only one |
| 00:01.15 | LennyKitty | above or below |
| 00:01.16 | LennyKitty | :p |
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| 00:02.46 | Voldenet | I don't think it matters, but I always put additional options on the bottom |
| 00:03.57 | LennyKitty | WHY DOES NOTHING WORK >:( |
| 00:04.01 | LennyKitty | I got the driver working at least |
| 00:04.07 | LennyKitty | so I hope |
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| 00:07.20 | LennyKitty | Voldenet, should I throw in the towel and install ubuntu |
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| 00:12.11 | LennyKitty | Voldenet, sorry, im giving in and installing linux mint :c |
| 00:12.25 | LennyKitty | im not dealing with this at 8pm when I have math homework to do |
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| 00:15.39 | vOYtEC | LennyKitty, what happened? tell your story =) |
| 00:16.03 | jtri | since debian is on python2, how should i make a venv for python3 ? |
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| 03:47.44 | pablin_ | hi all, someone there to help me with an power management issue? |
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| 04:13.41 | dgriffi | what happened here? http://pastebin.com/03Ft4iH2 |
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| 04:15.43 | ilCyx86_64 | Using pulse or alsa, how can I set the output monitor (playing from mopidy) to be the default input source? |
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| 04:16.44 | introom | where can I get the deb package from this url: https://packages.debian.org/experimental/tmux ? |
| 04:17.31 | dgriffi | introom: down at the bottom where it says "download tmux" |
| 04:18.41 | mandeep | introom: are you looking specifically for experimental? |
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| 04:19.39 | introom | dgriffi: but that leads to the repo, not the deb file. |
| 04:19.42 | introom | mandeep: yes! |
| 04:20.14 | dgriffi | introom: it leads to https://packages.debian.org/experimental/amd64/tmux/download and from there you can download it from any of several mirrors |
| 04:20.23 | dgriffi | second 'it' being the deb |
| 04:20.44 | introom | dgriffi: aha. I should click on it.... |
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| 04:58.51 | Beggar | Hi everyone. |
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| 04:59.32 | Papillon | hi |
| 04:59.47 | Beggar | I am trying to set the LCD brightness on this notebook. I would like to do it using the terminal |
| 05:00.09 | Beggar | but nothing seens to be working. I even tried xbacklight. |
| 05:00.49 | Beggar | whatever value i set the brightness does not change. Any advice, suggestion on this? |
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| 05:04.12 | Papillon | there |
| 05:04.22 | Papillon | there's no way to do it in hardware? no brightness buttons |
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| 05:05.39 | Beggar | There is no original keyboard here. it was removed |
| 05:05.58 | Beggar | I never found a compatible one then I jsut use an USB external |
| 05:08.04 | VentGrey | Hello world? |
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| 05:09.10 | abff | Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. |
| 05:10.08 | World | Hi VentGrey |
| 05:10.22 | VentGrey | xD |
| 05:11.14 | VentGrey | I wonder if stretch will include MATE 1.18 |
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| 05:13.21 | Beggar | MATE is not that eye candy desktopy stuffy? |
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| 05:15.15 | VentGrey | That gnome2 forky thingy |
| 05:15.31 | Beggar | OH.... |
| 05:16.08 | abff | wait why did gnome fork? |
| 05:16.11 | Beggar | I do not use GNOME. For a long time I do not know what is a GNOME desktop.... |
| 05:16.33 | Papillon | gnome changed their interface a lot and people didn't like it so they forked the old interface |
| 05:16.42 | abff | thats. . . it? |
| 05:16.53 | Beggar | yes, they are sing 2.0 like interface |
| 05:16.56 | Beggar | seems fancy |
| 05:17.13 | Beggar | using* |
| 05:17.26 | VentGrey | very fancy |
| 05:17.39 | VentGrey | even though i started on Debian 8 and GNOME 3 xD |
| 05:18.02 | Beggar | I am using Debian - XFCE |
| 05:18.07 | abff | why not just use xfce |
| 05:18.13 | VentGrey | saw MATE and said..this looks good and then I found out that it was not GNOME2 o.o |
| 05:18.14 | Beggar | but the DE is DWM hahaha |
| 05:18.31 | VentGrey | I dont like WM :( |
| 05:18.38 | VentGrey | makes me scared |
| 05:18.48 | Beggar | WM = ? |
| 05:19.00 | VentGrey | marco or openbox |
| 05:19.09 | Beggar | Naaa |
| 05:19.11 | VentGrey | i3 when im on a good mood xD |
| 05:19.23 | Beggar | DWM is fancy |
| 05:19.30 | Beggar | everything done by ALT+XXX |
| 05:19.42 | VentGrey | alt pron? |
| 05:19.48 | Beggar | hahahaha |
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| 05:20.41 | VentGrey | I hope they made the right decition by migrating to GTK3 |
| 05:21.06 | Beggar | GTK is useless, too much stuff. |
| 05:21.15 | VentGrey | QT? |
| 05:21.23 | VentGrey | heavy :c |
| 05:21.25 | VentGrey | GTK |
| 05:21.28 | VentGrey | fragile |
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| 05:32.35 | Beggar | Let us poke with FLTK and be happy |
| 05:32.36 | Beggar | hehe |
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| 05:37.27 | Beggar | Today in Debian's Freak Show Room.... The Metap0ackage!!! It will KILL you poke with apt-get remove/purge. |
| 05:37.31 | Beggar | Oh Life... |
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| 05:38.12 | VentGrey | What did you do? XD |
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| 05:39.33 | Beggar | I am fixing what I broke.... |
| 05:39.44 | Beggar | I isntalled XFCE4 |
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| 05:39.53 | abff | love it |
| 05:39.54 | Beggar | and removed the useless lightdm |
| 05:39.58 | VentGrey | ah yes |
| 05:40.08 | VentGrey | Lightdm usually kills everything xD |
| 05:40.25 | VentGrey | i tried to use Slim but when i removed Lightdm it removed like half of XFCE |
| 05:40.54 | Beggar | it is because the lightdm si isntalled as aprt of the xfce metapackage |
| 05:41.05 | Beggar | if you isntall all by hand it will not happen |
| 05:41.21 | VentGrey | What DM you use? |
| 05:41.23 | Beggar | but I was lazy in that aprt and installed alltoghetter |
| 05:41.34 | Beggar | I do nto use DM |
| 05:41.43 | Beggar | jsut type in username then password |
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| 05:41.53 | Beggar | and then if I need desktop type startx |
| 05:42.03 | VentGrey | oh |
| 05:42.14 | VentGrey | im more a workstation desktop user :c |
| 05:42.30 | VentGrey | i know how to move in a terminal but never got comfortable there |
| 05:42.31 | Beggar | Even if you are. typing startx is not that hard hahahaha |
| 05:42.41 | VentGrey | xD too lazy |
| 05:43.35 | Beggar | you need to type in username and password, 6 more eltter will not kill you and you. And the resource saving is good. |
| 05:43.56 | Beggar | letters* |
| 05:47.02 | Beggar | There is any module that need to be laoded in order to change LCD brightness? |
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| 05:48.33 | Beggar | Even # echo 20 > /sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight/brightness do not change anything in thsi screen. |
| 05:48.54 | borsin | xbacklight? |
| 05:49.04 | Beggar | tried also, no changes |
| 05:49.43 | abff | xbacklight worked for me but it doesn't listen to my fn buttons |
| 05:50.05 | borsin | i have a thinkpad and i can't get xbacklight to work either. i changed the permissions on /sys/class/../brightness so i could do your similar approach |
| 05:50.16 | Beggar | I jsut need a terminal solution. No need for hotkeys. |
| 05:50.37 | borsin | change the permissions, then you can echo to the file. |
| 05:50.52 | Beggar | borsin I did thsi as root. |
| 05:50.58 | Beggar | this* |
| 05:51.01 | borsin | hmm |
| 05:51.24 | Beggar | cat returns the value I put there but the brighness do not changed even a bit |
| 05:51.40 | abff | if xbacklight isn't working then I think X is having a problem finding the brightness control |
| 05:51.58 | abff | Xbacklight is used to adjust the backlight brightness where supported. It finds all outputs on the X server supporting backlight brightness control and changes them all in the same way. |
| 05:52.05 | borsin | i have mine set up on a script and works fine. although I need to change the permissions on boot. not using root to do it. |
| 05:52.18 | abff | it's supposed to be a catchall |
| 05:52.56 | borsin | i gave up on xbacklight long ago |
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| 06:11.28 | pragomer_1 | are there ANY live versions of stretch already? |
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| 06:12.24 | Wulf | pragomer_1: you can build your own, it's not too hard |
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| 06:16.32 | pragomer_1 | Wulf: i know for example how to do that with chroot and genisoimage etc.. but I dont know what iso to take as source. cause I only can find the netinstaller of stretch-nonfree |
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| 06:33.43 | Wulf | pragomer_1: live-build |
| 06:33.54 | Wulf | pragomer_1: it uses no iso |
| 06:33.56 | srruby | I'm running sid. Can I install google-chrome ? using deb http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main |
| 06:34.00 | Wulf | pragomer_1: it builds them :) |
| 06:34.07 | Wulf | srruby: try it |
| 06:34.12 | Wulf | srruby: it should work |
| 06:34.46 | srruby | In general can I use these 3rd party debs while running sid? |
| 06:34.54 | Wulf | srruby: yes, sure |
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| 06:35.04 | srruby | Wulf: Thanks. |
| 06:35.10 | Wulf | srruby: but as always with sid, expect trouble |
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| 06:35.23 | srruby | OH |
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| 06:38.07 | pragomer_1 | Wulf: Ye, ok. I used to use live-build some years ago. its ok but I got more friend with taking a live-iso as base and then just changing a few little things.. so .. if there is no live-iso of stretch at this time I will have to wait. |
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| 07:30.00 | usersiis | ?_? |
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| 07:32.33 | tx | usersiis: wait a bit |
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| 07:32.41 | tx | it usually means there have been a lot of people joining |
| 07:32.53 | tx | the channel sets a user limit that goes up and down juuust enough to make this not happen most of the time |
| 07:32.57 | tx | it's to prevent flooding |
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| 07:33.10 | decci | Hi |
| 07:33.59 | decci | Any idea how to insert raid controller drive into debian iso |
| 07:34.09 | decci | driver |
| 07:34.15 | tx | if the iso is a usb drive that you can write to |
| 07:34.19 | tx | that usually makes things a lot easier! |
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| 07:34.29 | tx | what are you writing the installer to? |
| 07:35.43 | decci | tx: I tried installing debian wheezy on system having perc h330 but look like mega raid sas driver is missing |
| 07:35.59 | decci | The same worked if I have jessie installed |
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| 07:36.15 | hexnewbie | decci: So the driver is in Jessie, and not in Wheezy? |
| 07:36.28 | tx | Is there a specific reason why you are trying to install oldstable? |
| 07:36.33 | decci | hexnewbie: yes |
| 07:36.34 | tx | It is not current. |
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| 07:38.09 | hexnewbie | decci: If you have Debian (or other distro) working on the computer, you can use debootstrap to manually install any other Debian without using the installer. |
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| 07:39.54 | decci | hexnewbie: right now jessie is running properly on that system. Do you mean I can use bootstrap to install wheezy |
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| 07:40.01 | hexnewbie | decci: So you can debootstrap wheezy from jessie, or jessie from gentoo (which is how I first installed Debian, hadn't ever used the installer until I bought a laptop), or try to get potato with a stretch kernel. |
| 07:40.07 | decci | I am not sure if I understand that |
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| 07:40.45 | decci | hexnewbie : that sounds cool |
| 07:40.58 | decci | Is there any step to do that |
| 07:41.08 | decci | Can Google it out though |
| 07:41.21 | hexnewbie | decci: Yeah, you can create a new root filesystem on a different partition (doing it on the same one would be way too much voodoo), debootstrap wheezy on it, manually edit fstab, etc, chroot into it, apt-get install the packages (tasks even) that you need, and then install grub from the chroot |
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| 07:41.50 | decci | Got your point |
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| 07:42.07 | decci | Thanks |
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| 07:43.20 | decci | hexnewbie : I will try to search for it, in case you have any link which can help me get started would be cool |
| 07:43.23 | decci | Thanks a lot |
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| 07:46.08 | hexnewbie | decci: I don't think I've come across on one. I simply followed the steps I outlined, and the debootstrap man page comes in handy to start. If you aren't aware which files you need to edit to get the system in the chroot bootable and working, you may have a better time sticking with jessie (wheezy's lts is going to eventually end, and it's not so long in the future IIRC, so starting off with jessie is a good idea anyway) |
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| 07:46.58 | hexnewbie | decci: If you need something from wheezy that's not found in jessie, having wheezy in the chroot (should you fail to make it bootable), is also an option. |
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| 07:47.50 | decci | Okay |
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| 07:48.10 | decci | Noted |
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| 08:06.30 | ololorin | Hello. I have a problem. Yesterday I installed GNOME alongside kde on my system and chose kdm as default manager. I needed to have both of them to check something regarding my work. GNOME installed successfully, I rebooted, switched to it. While I was working in it it decided to install some updates via it's gui update manager. I ignored it, and then, after reboot, it installed some packages durin |
| 08:06.30 | ololorin | g boot (never saw such behavior before). Then, after another reboot, my system broke completely. Systemd says it does start job for six services, fails, and the system fails to boot. I can only use rescue shell and can't even check apt. The services are changing with reboots. Now it's accounts, modem, avahi stack, network manager and realtime kit. Any advice? :( |
| 08:07.40 | babilen | Paste /var/log/apt/history.log* to http://paste.debian.net |
| 08:08.29 | babilen | Output of "head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}" would also be interesting |
| 08:08.43 | ololorin | It also says dependency failed for Network Manager Wait Online |
| 08:09.14 | ololorin | @babilen would be hard, considering I now have ho internet access through this computer |
| 08:10.35 | n4dir | liveCD (usb-stick,etc). Something like that |
| 08:10.35 | babilen | I'd boot a live disk in that case |
| 08:10.46 | babilen | grml is pretty nice for that |
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| 08:14.16 | maskd | I'm having problems getting wifi up at boot with Network Manager. I don't get a connection after I boot (even though ip addr indicates that it's up...), but if I then restart the service it works. any clue as to what might be the issue? |
| 08:14.39 | babilen | ololorin: The "installed some packages during boot" is highly irregular and I'd love to see what's going on there. What you have done (i.e. installing Gnome) should have been perfectly fine. |
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| 08:15.16 | babilen | ololorin: Also does "I ignored it" mean "I ignored that it automatically installed packages already" or "I ignored that it prompted me to upgrade some packages" ? |
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| 08:15.53 | ololorin | It just said "I'm installing something in background, don't mind me" |
| 08:15.54 | babilen | It sounds as if you mixed in packages from other sources and it would really be good to know about all configured sources on your system |
| 08:16.03 | n4dir | just as an info: someone just posted something like that at linuxquestions.org (upgrades getting installed after reboot). I wondered quite a bit (mainly if that is a joke) |
| 08:16.38 | babilen | "Windows is doing this horrible thing, maybe we should implement a daemon to do likewise?" |
| 08:17.04 | ololorin | I had some side repositories, such as bumblebee, but apt has started to consider them untrustworthy since sometime and ignored them, so I didn't clean them |
| 08:17.07 | babilen | I'd immediately purge anything and file bug reports if I were to see that behaviour |
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| 08:17.38 | babilen | Well apt and whatever ran those upgrades might treat repositories differently |
| 08:17.45 | ololorin | I can only get livecd when I will be at home, which will be in 7 hours lol |
| 08:17.55 | n4dir | https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/stretch-restart-to-install-updates-4175602227/ |
| 08:18.07 | babilen | It sounds as if you installed packages from random sources and thereby broke your system |
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| 08:18.25 | missmbob | !frankendebian |
| 08:18.25 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 08:18.34 | missmbob | bumblebee is pretty serious to get from third party |
| 08:19.02 | ololorin | But how do I fix it if I can't get to apt? |
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| 08:19.30 | n4dir | chroot |
| 08:20.33 | ololorin | Could you elaborate, please? |
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| 08:20.43 | n4dir | !chroot |
| 08:20.43 | dpkg | To chroot into your Debian system boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2). Mount your root filesystem with "mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target" and make /dev, /proc and /sys usable with "mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys". You can then chroot into the system with "chroot /target". |
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| 08:21.32 | ololorin | Thanks |
| 08:21.49 | missmbob | at that point of mixing things i'd reinstall |
| 08:22.03 | ololorin | I'm afraid of using data |
| 08:22.06 | ololorin | *losing |
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| 08:22.37 | ololorin | I have some important files there. Dunno if they will be lost upon reinstall |
| 08:23.18 | n4dir | i agree with missmbob (if mixed, reintsall). data? Well: back them up. |
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| 08:23.43 | missmbob | use chroot or live cd for easier method to backup. reinstall. dont mix like that again. |
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| 08:24.25 | n4dir | to me not mixing or adding third party apps was the one golden rule, when it comes to debian |
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| 08:25.36 | ololorin | Got it. Thanks for your help. The GNOME update manager is strange though. I had these repositories over there for years |
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| 08:32.04 | n4dir | for whatever it might be good for ... :-) |
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| 08:50.01 | LibertyWeNeed | what is the best contacts application on GNU/Linux (Debian or Ubuntu)? I need one that will work with http://gmx.net/Â which uses the CardDAV protocol. I am trying to convert my mother to GNU/Linux, she is a school teacher used to using a MacBook Pro. And since the newer models are a lot more expensive nowadays I thought I should learn important information that could help convince her. |
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| 08:59.22 | n4dir | LibertyWeNeed: i am not in the subject, but perhaps evolution |
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| 09:00.12 | edi | LibertyWeNeed, icedove/lightning ? |
| 09:00.41 | n4dir | the german ubuntu wiki has a good list of apps (but is probably not that useful if one doesn't speak german, duh): https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Software/ |
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| 09:00.48 | edi | on the serverside I like radicale, and it works fine with icedove |
| 09:00.55 | edi | which is also Dav |
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| 09:02.05 | LibertyWeNeed | Thank you:) |
| 09:02.22 | LibertyWeNeed | n4dir, my mother studied Germany and is half german. :) |
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| 09:02.35 | LibertyWeNeed | Although she would probably prefer information in english |
| 09:02.47 | LibertyWeNeed | Studied German |
| 09:02.48 | LibertyWeNeed | oops |
| 09:02.51 | n4dir | oh, then the link will be really good. one can find according apps in a very quick time |
| 09:03.04 | LibertyWeNeed | Are they in English? |
| 09:03.04 | n4dir | nah, if you understand the basics is enough |
| 09:03.09 | LibertyWeNeed | the apps I mena |
| 09:03.11 | LibertyWeNeed | mean |
| 09:03.12 | n4dir | the apps? yeah, sure |
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| 09:03.23 | LibertyWeNeed | cool |
| 09:03.31 | n4dir | i only go there to check if i search for a certain app. there probably is a English too, but i only know that one |
| 09:04.00 | LibertyWeNeed | I need one that is a contacts app that is compatible with card dav |
| 09:04.12 | n4dir | well: you can also quickly ask in IrC or a forum, duh ... |
| 09:04.35 | LibertyWeNeed | Isn't that what I am doing here? |
| 09:04.45 | n4dir | the ubuntu wiki says evolution is compatible but one would need to install a plugin. I only had a quick glance |
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| 09:04.56 | LibertyWeNeed | will take a look |
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| 09:05.04 | n4dir | Yup, i try to explain that the link i gave is only half-useful ... |
| 09:05.22 | TimurTheLame | LibertyWeNeed, you could check this wiki https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/List_of_applications#Graphical_2 |
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| 09:06.09 | LibertyWeNeed | By the way isn't lightning a calendar plugin? |
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| 09:44.05 | babilen | ws2k3: What does it look like? |
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| 09:51.11 | ws2k3 | babilen it looks like a linux proces for the irq of those interfaces for tx and rx |
| 09:51.18 | ws2k3 | but i dont understand why they are there |
| 09:51.25 | ws2k3 | cause on several other machines i dont have them |
| 09:52.07 | ws2k3 | babilen i do have to say that machine has a self compiled kernel instead of the default one. but im just trying to find out why that is. and how its done |
| 09:52.12 | babilen | ws2k3: Draft a list of feature and eliminate those common to all of them |
| 09:52.46 | ws2k3 | babilen i assume you mean kernel features? how can i do that |
| 09:52.50 | babilen | On how many other boxes do you see it where you are also using this self-compiled kernel? |
| 09:52.56 | FuzzyHandcuffs | bigpresh why you mute me on #freenode you fag? |
| 09:53.06 | babilen | I meant "all features one can think of" |
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| 09:53.11 | bazhang | FuzzyHandcuffs, stop now |
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| 09:53.17 | ws2k3 | babilen i have 3 machines where this kernel is installed |
| 09:54.07 | babilen | And how many of those have this process? |
| 09:54.16 | babilen | And why do you care? |
| 09:54.19 | ws2k3 | babilen all 3 |
| 09:54.30 | ws2k3 | babilen but default debian 7 install does not have this |
| 09:54.45 | ws2k3 | babilen i care cause i wanne learn/find out why that is |
| 09:54.48 | babilen | I'd argue that the likelihood is high that it is due to your self-compiled kernel |
| 09:55.13 | ws2k3 | babilen yeah im pretty sure of that. but how/why |
| 09:55.28 | babilen | Eliminate differences between "your" kernel and the Debian one and I'm sure you'll track it down eventually |
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| 10:08.56 | wreck_boo | says hi |
| 10:09.31 | wreck_boo | how do i setup wlan0 as my default interface |
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| 10:10.50 | somiaj | wreck_boo: vaiours ways, do you use a gui, maybe network-manager? |
| 10:11.05 | wreck_boo | yeah |
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| 10:11.07 | wreck_boo | tell me |
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| 10:11.39 | somiaj | what gui/desktop are you using? Is there a tool alreayd to configure the network? |
| 10:11.51 | wreck_boo | lxde |
| 10:12.01 | wreck_boo | but i hav network manager installed |
| 10:12.04 | BluesKaj | Hey all |
| 10:12.53 | somiaj | wreck_boo: and network manager deosn't see your wlan0 device? |
| 10:13.07 | wreck_boo | it sees it |
| 10:13.27 | wreck_boo | but it makes eth0 my default instead of wlan0 |
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| 10:13.45 | somiaj | network manger does? Are you both pluged in and using wifi at the same time? |
| 10:15.21 | wreck_boo | somiaj: yeah |
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| 10:17.02 | somiaj | wreck_boo: well eth0 will have faster speeds than the wifi, but you can probably tell network manager to disable eth0 and it will then just use wlan0 |
| 10:17.04 | BluesKaj | ethernet will take precedence over wifi |
| 10:17.30 | somiaj | but if you ahve both I would use ethernet over wifi, you may have to disable eth0 to only use wlan0 |
| 10:17.35 | BluesKaj | or unplug the ethernet cable |
| 10:17.45 | somiaj | you could mess with routes if you really wanted to, but I woudln't suggest that route |
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| 10:18.59 | wreck_boo | how do i? |
| 10:19.15 | abff | unplug the ethernet cable is the best suggestion |
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| 10:19.36 | jushur | why do you even want to use wifi as a primary? its like so unsecure its ridiculus? |
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| 10:21.31 | wreck_boo | yeah its for developmetn purpose |
| 10:21.37 | BluesKaj | jushur, don't use scare tactics, it doesn't help |
| 10:23.08 | abff | just pop out the ethernet cable whenever you need to force wlan0 to be used, do what testing you need to be done, and pop the eth cable back in when you're in need of a wired connection again |
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| 10:23.22 | abff | trying to convince to software to do what your hand could do in half a second is unecessary |
| 10:23.37 | abff | unless that is also an issue, then I apologize |
| 10:24.07 | wreck_boo | its for development purpose itwnt help that way |
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| 10:24.12 | BluesKaj | abff, well said |
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| 10:28.15 | BluesKaj | wreck_boo, unplug the ethernet cable, reboot, let network manager search for the gateway, it'll be listed , choose the correct connection, enter the pw and it should work assuming you have the correct wifi driver instaled |
| 10:28.50 | jushur | route add default dev eth0 metric 20 |
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| 10:29.45 | jushur | will force the use of the wireless dev before the eth0 |
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| 10:32.32 | jushur | and will autocorrect to the eth0 when wireless is not avail |
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| 10:38.12 | abff | youtube. . . why. I can have 30 tabs open in firefox and be streaming a over lan with kodi and use less CPU then a single video in youtube |
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| 10:43.13 | jushur | abff: that sentence makes no sense? |
| 10:44.05 | abff | Maybe? |
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| 10:44.22 | abff | Maybe I was exagerating a little bit |
| 10:44.58 | jushur | abff: not that, i dont get what "youtube" is. besides the site? you play it trough firefox or what? |
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| 10:46.24 | abff | one embedded video on www.youtube.com in one tab on firefox is using 30% of my cpu, while a whole boat load of non-embedded-video-stream tabs AND a stream from another application wasn't even pushing 25 |
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| 10:47.06 | TuTizz | Hi everyone, I would like to downgrade tar to version 1.26, I have a weezy distro what's wrong with the following cmd : apt-get install tar=1.26+dfsg-0.1+deb7u1 |
| 10:47.58 | jushur | abff: sounds like a denial of service type of bug inside the embedded tab, look at its error console? |
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| 10:48.37 | jushur | abff: also Fx has issues with large textures, so that may be the issue. |
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| 10:49.35 | BluesKaj | abff, streaming is not using X to create video, it's merely data |
| 10:51.01 | Brigo | TuTizz, what's the problem? |
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| 10:51.59 | TuTizz | Brigo, it told me that E: Version '1.26+dfsg-10' for 'tar' was not found |
| 10:52.09 | Brigo | ,v tar |
| 10:52.10 | judd | Package: tar on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.26+dfsg-0.1; wheezy-security: 1.26+dfsg-0.1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 1.27.1-1~bpo70+1; jessie-security: 1.27.1-2+deb8u1; jessie: 1.27.1-2+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 1.29b-1~bpo8+1; sid: 1.29b-1.1; stretch: 1.29b-1.1 |
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| 10:52.50 | Brigo | TuTizz, that's right there is not such version |
| 10:53.23 | abff | jushur, I'll look into that; BluesKaj then task to render it? |
| 10:53.37 | abff | BluesKaj then firefox is tasked to render it?* |
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| 10:55.14 | BluesKaj | abff, use system monitor or some such to check FF and X cpu loads |
| 10:56.10 | abff | BluesKaj X does seem to take some of the load when the video is playing, about 1/3rd of the resources firefox demands |
| 10:56.13 | BluesKaj | unless you have dedicated PCI graphics |
| 10:56.20 | TomTomTo1 | TuTizz: i think you made a typo. the command you gave looks correct but the output is different. |
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| 10:57.19 | BluesKaj | FF is quite bloated , abff |
| 10:57.28 | TomTomTo1 | TuTizz: also check with apt-cache policy tar what versions are listed. |
| 10:57.33 | abff | BluesKaj I suspect it's youtube. . . |
| 10:57.40 | Brigo | TuTizz, do you have wheezy-security enable? |
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| 10:58.50 | abff | BluesKaj I do have an integrated card as well as a discrete nouveau card. How can I tell which one is being used for different applications? |
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| 11:00.25 | BluesKaj | abff, system monitor works well IME |
| 11:00.34 | TuTizz | ok, well my mistake cat /etc/debian_version give me 8.7 so a jessie version |
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| 11:01.59 | BluesKaj | abff, why use nouveau...it's ok, but a the correct nvidia driver for your card give will much better performance |
| 11:02.30 | TuTizz | TomTomTo1, Brigo, judd, Is tar 1.26 available on jessie? |
| 11:03.01 | TomTomTo1 | TuTizz: no, jessie has 1.27 |
| 11:03.06 | abff | BluesKaj I haven't needed it for anything, and probably never will, my GPU intensive applications are all on dedicated machines these days |
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| 11:03.47 | BluesKaj | abff, ok |
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| 11:04.43 | TuTizz | TomTomTo1, Brigo, judd, ok thank you |
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| 11:05.53 | Brigo | TuTizz, np, judd is a bot, |
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| 11:06.09 | TuTizz | :D ok |
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| 12:35.37 | kieselW | I created a debian package using dh_make and the "make install" target places a config in $(DESTDIR)/etc/foo.conf but when I install the created package there's nothing in /etc ? |
| 12:36.06 | kieselW | (I also tried to add /etc/foo.conf to debian/conffiles, but then I get a warning that /etc/foo.conf is a duplicate) |
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| 12:43.45 | missmbob | kieselW: i'd try #debian-mentors on oftc for packaging questions |
| 12:44.31 | kieselW | missmbob, thx |
| 12:44.55 | themill | kieselW: are you checking inside the package or are you just trying to install it? |
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| 12:45.30 | kieselW | I installed the created package using dpkg -i |
| 12:45.51 | themill | Better to look inside it using mc or unpack it to a temp dir using dpkg -x |
| 12:46.36 | themill | reason is that conffile handling is different -- if you had deleted that file, installing the package won't bring it back |
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| 12:49.08 | wreck_boo | says hi |
| 12:49.26 | wreck_boo | how can i setup my defaul interface to wlan0 |
| 12:50.48 | babilen | deja vu |
| 12:51.01 | babilen | wreck_boo: I believe that question has already been addressed |
| 12:51.21 | wreck_boo | babilen: nop |
| 12:51.37 | babilen | How so? |
| 12:52.33 | wreck_boo | babilen: the answer wasnt satisfying |
| 12:53.04 | themill | Does that mean it didn't work? The command wasn't pretty enough? |
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| 12:53.19 | die7 | is there any command in apt/aptitude to see whi9ch files comes with package like "yum provides" or rpm -ql? |
| 12:53.25 | BluesKaj | wreck_boo, first of all, do you have the proper wifi driver installed? |
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| 12:53.33 | babilen | die7: "dpkg -L PKG" |
| 12:53.37 | themill | die7: installed or not installed? |
| 12:53.40 | die7 | babilen: tnx |
| 12:53.51 | babilen | (that would address the "installed" part) |
| 12:54.47 | die7 | babilen: but for example I wish to know which package provide hosts.deny |
| 12:55.03 | foogu | how can i then configure servers to use different interface on debian |
| 12:55.08 | themill | die7: that's the inverse of the question you asked; dpkg -S filename |
| 12:55.09 | babilen | die7: For that you'd use apt-file |
| 12:55.21 | missmbob | i like dpkg -S foo |
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| 12:55.30 | babilen | Doesn't work for uninstalled packages |
| 12:55.41 | die7 | thank you all |
| 12:55.41 | babilen | Which brings us back to themill's question |
| 12:55.43 | themill | and no package ships hosts.deny |
| 12:55.44 | babilen | :) |
| 12:55.52 | foogu | how can i then configure servers to use different interface on debian |
| 12:56.17 | babilen | foogu: You have been given the answer already |
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| 12:57.27 | die7 | themill: really, how comes then to system , standard conf file? |
| 12:57.37 | foogu | how can i then configure servers to use different interface on debian |
| 12:58.04 | babilen | foogu: What was/is wrong with the command and explanation that has been mentioned earlier? |
| 12:58.10 | themill | foogu: perhaps you should try asking your question in a different way or explaining what it is you didn't understand about the earlier answers. |
| 12:58.22 | themill | die7: it's created in the maintainer scripts for the package |
| 12:59.02 | die7 | themill: sure means it is till a part of any package but in pre or post part |
| 12:59.18 | themill | it is not part of any package |
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| 13:02.43 | foogu | babilen: how can i configure a vpn server to use wlan0 |
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| 13:07.37 | darxmurf | I know it's not the right place but if somebody can help for a mysql query ? :-) |
| 13:07.39 | themill | foogu: servers normally bind to a specific IP address (not a specific device). |
| 13:08.04 | darxmurf | http://paste.debian.net/923697/ |
| 13:08.40 | darxmurf | I don't get how to "left join" the "group prices" next to each other |
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| 13:09.39 | darxmurf | I could get one line for each task and price but can't get everything in one line |
| 13:11.15 | missmbob | darxmurf: try #sql |
| 13:12.00 | darxmurf | okay :-) |
| 13:12.18 | darxmurf | 14:11 -!- #mysql Cannot send to channel <- cool folks ^^ |
| 13:12.47 | petn-randall | darxmurf: What does the /topic say? |
| 13:13.10 | themill | darxmurf: register and identify to nickserv |
| 13:13.58 | darxmurf | hum I did not see my irc client did reload |
| 13:14.01 | darxmurf | sorry about that |
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| 13:14.21 | darxmurf | ok now :-) |
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| 13:21.04 | tdn | What password manage do you recommend for Debian? Keepass? |
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| 13:21.59 | LnxBil | Hi, |
| 13:22.02 | missmbob | keepassxc. it's not in debian but they provide a deb |
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| 13:24.20 | Papillon | wow |
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| 13:38.17 | colo-work | is /var/lib/dpkg/available relevant on a modern Debian release? |
| 13:38.35 | colo-work | I have this file on my host that's been set up with squeeze (and is running jessie now), and its mtime is from 2015... |
| 13:40.10 | jelly | colo-work: not really |
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| 13:40.34 | jelly | dselect cares for it, but let's be honest when did you last use dselect |
| 13:40.34 | dselect | jelly: I give up, what is it? |
| 13:40.42 | jelly | dselect: be quiet |
| 13:40.42 | dselect | Ah, shuddup. |
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| 13:41.07 | OnceMe | how can I install cron, I thought that simple copying cron to /var/spool/... will do the job, but I was wrong |
| 13:41.14 | OnceMe | cron was not running, because it was not "installed" |
| 13:41.23 | colo-work | hehe |
| 13:41.27 | jelly | OnceMe: is the "cron" package installed? |
| 13:41.40 | colo-work | jelly, ok, so there's no use for it on a system using apt-get and aptitude exclusively? |
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| 13:42.08 | OnceMe | jelly: yes it was |
| 13:42.14 | jelly | colo-work: pretty much. If you have lots of cruft in dpkg -l output you can update the file... |
| 13:42.18 | jelly | !available |
| 13:42.18 | dpkg | If /var/lib/dpkg/available is corrupted (or generating warnings about illegal version numbers etc), "apt-cache dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/available && dpkg --update-avail /var/lib/dpkg/available". Alternatively, you can try "rm /var/lib/dpkg/available; dselect update". |
| 13:42.42 | OnceMe | jelly: what are corect perms of cronjob file? |
| 13:42.46 | OnceMe | user:crontab ? |
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| 13:43.09 | jelly | OnceMe: don't touch files in /var/spool/cron/crontabs/ directly, use "crontab -e" to edit them instead |
| 13:43.41 | colo-work | jelly, thanks, I will read up on what these things do. I have another, even older host which produces warnings like this one: |
| 13:43.41 | jelly | OnceMe: if you disregard and di it directly, at the very least you need to "service cron restart" |
| 13:43.41 | colo-work | dpkg: warning: parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 223031 package 'epic4': |
| 13:43.41 | colo-work | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:43.43 | dpkg | colo-work: That isn't enough detail, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 13:44.01 | colo-work | I guess treating it with the same medicine should make that go away? |
| 13:44.07 | jelly | nod |
| 13:44.36 | colo-work | thanks :) |
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| 13:45.04 | jelly | OnceMe: but that way you can accidentally set up a file with invalide syntax. Using "crontab -e" will do some checking. |
| 13:45.16 | OnceMe | ok |
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| 13:53.43 | OnceMe | I am trying to run cron task as www-data user |
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| 14:30.20 | unborn | hi folks - got question.. how on earth I can do replace very first line on start in gedit? - since provided by debian gnome as default text editor.. bugs are ignored - which is bad enough but - still the question is how to replace fist line in logs with custom text.. anyone knows? |
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| 14:39.11 | jhutchins | OnceMe: Have you read the manpage for crontab? (man 1) |
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| 14:40.38 | OnceMe | jhutchins: I did |
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| 14:41.29 | jhutchins | OnceMe: So you know how you would edit/create a cron table for a specific user, right? |
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| 14:42.30 | unborn | anyone with knowledge of gedit in debian? |
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| 14:42.57 | Stummi | unborn, your question doesn't make sense. You are talking about the GUI-Texteditor from gnome, right? |
| 14:43.21 | Stummi | I mean, just put your cursor on line 1, press ctrl+d and insert whatever you want |
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| 14:43.38 | unborn | Stummi: yes indeed. which part of the question did not make sense to you? |
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| 14:43.43 | panga | Hello o/ |
| 14:43.57 | Stummi | unborn, you are asking how to edit files in this texteditor.. |
| 14:44.02 | unborn | Stummi: sorry - its default gnome editor and there are some bugs |
| 14:44.10 | Stummi | theres no real answer beside "just do it" |
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| 14:44.40 | panga | Question, there is a guide to create a local debian repo? I cannot find any in a correct manner |
| 14:44.49 | Iridos | Shia LaBeouf? |
| 14:45.00 | unborn | Stummi: wrong.. I've asked how to replace (ctr+h) first line in that editor.. since using debian non free.. |
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| 14:45.39 | unborn | Stummi: means any edits.. be it withing debian nano or text editor provided to me.. |
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| 14:46.57 | Iridos | dpkg, own repo |
| 14:46.57 | dpkg | To feed your own packages into apt, you need to create a repository with a Packages file that lists the packages. If you only have a few packages and don't have very sophisticated requirements, you can use <dpkg-scanpackages>. If you want to be able add/remove packages using regular Debian tools like dput then try <reprepro> or mini-dinstall. See http://wiki.debian.org/HowToSetupADebianRepository |
| 14:47.01 | jhutchins | panga: https://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror |
| 14:47.10 | carp_ | I just installed something with apt-get and it automatically installed several other packages that work with it. How do I fully delete all of these new packages? I believe it is 'apt-get purge' but how do I get it to purge all the extra support packages too? |
| 14:47.53 | Iridos | panga, see the bots reply above⦠you may want to also /msg dpkg reprepro |
| 14:48.03 | panga | Thank you jhutchins |
| 14:48.14 | BluesKaj | carp_, those are most likely dependencies and are required by the package you installed to work properly |
| 14:48.17 | dixson | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:48.27 | msl09 | hiya is the postgresql package on stable ok? |
| 14:48.29 | msl09 | http://paste.debian.net/923719/ |
| 14:48.30 | panga | Thank you Iridos I'll tried that but there is too many info and not clear steps |
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| 14:48.33 | Iridos | carp_, apt-get autoremove |
| 14:48.34 | unborn | Stummi: I did asked my question very clear.. no need to ask additional questions about it |
| 14:48.53 | BluesKaj | !dependecies | carp_ |
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| 14:49.30 | panga | !dependencies |
| 14:49.30 | dpkg | methinks dependencies is one of the killer benefits of Debian. Packages have or provide dependencies on other packages. The packaging tools (apt-get, aptitude, synaptic, etc.) automatically determine these dependencies and select additional packages for installation or removal if necessary, or may have to download deb files and do dpkg -i from time to time, or they are set in the file control of a package (see <package>) |
| 14:49.43 | carp_ | BluesKaj: yes I did 'apt-get install wordpress' but Im now thinking I want to purge wordpress and all the support packages it installed. |
| 14:49.52 | BluesKaj | thanks panga |
| 14:50.17 | panga | BluesKaj sure (y) |
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| 14:51.12 | SpeakerToMeat | Hello |
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| 14:51.16 | carp_ | Iridos: so to purge wordpress and all the support packages it installed too, what would one type in the command line? "sudo apt-get autoremove wordpress" ? |
| 14:51.30 | SpeakerToMeat | Question, what debian version was based mainly on kernel 2.2 and Glibc 2.0 or 2.1 please? |
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| 14:54.42 | BluesKaj | carp_, sudo apt purge wordpress, the run sudo apt-get autoremove |
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| 14:55.28 | msl09 | oh I just needed to specify -t jessie-backports |
| 14:55.46 | carp_ | BluesKaj: I see, and that will firstly purge wordpress, then it cleans up any unnecessary packages that remain? Debian is awfully clever :) |
| 14:56.10 | carp_ | Alternatively is there a kind of undo last command kind of thing? |
| 14:56.22 | BluesKaj | carp_, exactly ,autoremove removes other unneeded packages as well |
| 14:56.55 | FinalX | does anyone still have a squeeze install somewhere? i'm curious to /etc/gai.conf's content.. if there was a precedence line rolled out in libc's package |
| 14:57.04 | unborn | carp_: you do realise that wordpress is php app.. meaning all you need is access to db and rest of the install is very simple.. no need for apt-get? |
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| 14:58.12 | FinalX | we have some jessie installs that have a fully commented-out /etc/gai.conf, and some that have a precedence line and we can't figure out what got that precedence line in there :) |
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| 14:58.38 | carp_ | unborn: I dont know how easy/hard it is to install wordpress but I have 5 guides open on separate tabs, all are quite long, for example: http://www.tecmint.com/install-wordpress-using-apache-in-debian-ubuntu-linux-mint/ |
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| 14:58.52 | jhutchins | FinalX: I have a lenny install available. |
| 14:59.19 | carp_ | I am thinking of following that guide, and see how it goes. Still quite scared of mucking things up as I am a new user from windows. |
| 14:59.19 | FinalX | I don't think we upgraded those from that old, but, sure? :) anything in /etc/gai.conf there? :) |
| 14:59.20 | unborn | Stummi: where did you go? if you still here - I would be delighted if you would provide me some light out in my darkness :) |
| 15:00.09 | Iridos | carp_, any packages you haven't manually specified to be installed are marked as "automatically installed". "man apt-get" answers your last question much better than I could. be careful with that feature, though⦠there are some metapackages in debian (like task-desktop or desktop-base etc. ) if you remove any of their dependencies, the metapackage will be removed⦠and if you then do an autoremove, it removes all of gnome |
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| 15:00.46 | FinalX | oh, we even have a lenny install left. |
| 15:00.50 | FinalX | nobody dares to touch that machine. |
| 15:00.50 | unborn | carp_: sure.. I do respect it.. but no one should use apt-get install wordpress or whatever..if you do run proper server that should be handled a bit different. Unless you do it on your local host.. aka just for your self |
| 15:01.09 | rohit_ | hello guys, I trying to open ssh port from my debian machine, i configured static ip on my debian and through Dlink router configured virtual server to forward port 22 as well. but still not able to ssh from outside of network, can someone please help |
| 15:01.16 | stoned | one should use wp-cli |
| 15:01.24 | stoned | http://wp-cli.org/ |
| 15:01.35 | stoned | Don't use anything but this, if you really want to play w/ WP |
| 15:01.37 | unborn | carp_: expect some issues while you do pull it out from repo.. |
| 15:01.39 | galex-713 | how much gigas to install xfce4 and a debian base system? |
| 15:01.43 | stoned | I would stay away from that and try to move toward JAM |
| 15:01.57 | stoned | Javascript, (external) APIs, Markdown/Markup |
| 15:01.57 | somiaj | unborn: I think in debian one should isntall wordpress from the repo, this way wordpress gets security updates just like any other packages. |
| 15:02.08 | unborn | stoned: you do not even use wp.. what are you talking about? :) btw how are ya? |
| 15:02.14 | stoned | JAM is clientside only, and relies on third party services, JS, no backend, no db, nothing. |
| 15:02.20 | stoned | No sir. |
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| 15:02.31 | carp_ | BluesKaj: Ah your method worked perfectly to undo the wordpress and supporting packages installation. Thanks. |
| 15:02.35 | galex-713 | Iâve a 3G usb stick but it continually says âno more spaceâ so I have to free space in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 15:02.40 | carp_ | Iridos: thanks i will check this out now. |
| 15:02.43 | somiaj | galex-713: depends on what you consider space used, but for an xfce system 4 gigs should be sufficent. |
| 15:02.48 | stoned | unborn: https://psychedelicsdaily.com/ Complete static site, generated on debian jessie using Hugo static site generate in GoLang |
| 15:02.48 | petn-randall | galex-713: "a few". I'd at least have 10 GB for /. |
| 15:03.00 | BluesKaj | carp_, the wonders of debian :-) |
| 15:03.03 | somiaj | galex-713: 3gigs is going to be a bit tight for having room to download packages, save logs, and do other stuff. |
| 15:03.08 | stoned | unborn: I also use netlify for fast testing/protyping/deployment via webooks from gitlab. |
| 15:03.10 | unborn | somiaj: hello, sure - well - from where? coz stuck install did not updated for me with apt-get update but wordpress from .org did it it self |
| 15:03.11 | stoned | http://accountant-beaver-62358.netlify.com/ |
| 15:03.35 | stoned | It's free for open source projects, and I was thinking of redoing some debian stuffs in static sties |
| 15:03.39 | carp_ | unborn: ok great, well thats why I just undid the install using apt-get and will try following the above linked guide next instead. Do you think that looks like a good way of doing it? |
| 15:03.46 | Iridos | SpeakerToMeat, guess you'd have to look at the Packages files of the distros here: http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/ if you don't find a compiled list on Wikipedia or somesuch |
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| 15:04.05 | unborn | stoned: most of those folks here would not understand.. never mind - you know. |
| 15:04.06 | stoned | Possibly petition debian to move to better website format for a few things |
| 15:04.06 | galex-713 | somiaj, 4 gigs at the end? :/ so I will not be able to install xfce? |
| 15:04.08 | somiaj | unborn: debian is frozen so you get the version that comes in debian, but you will get secuirty updates when you run apt-get update && apt-get ugprade regurally. If using some other system to install wordpress you won't get to take advntange of debians securiey updates. |
| 15:04.17 | stoned | unborn: well, yo umentioend wp, so I mentiond this. |
| 15:04.21 | galex-713 | petn-randall, what? you mean for a day-to-day full-used system, not a base system with XFCE? |
| 15:04.22 | stoned | Otherwise, yes, ths is not a place for web dev. |
| 15:04.26 | somiaj | galex-713: you can probably get away with just 3 gigs, but since you said this is a usb, why not just use a live system? |
| 15:04.27 | stoned | thi sis linux/debian admin/support |
| 15:04.27 | unborn | somiaj: Im on jessie.. |
| 15:04.32 | somiaj | ,v wordpress |
| 15:04.33 | galex-713 | itâs for a shared pc to teach âinternetâ to old persons |
| 15:04.33 | judd | Package: wordpress on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.6.1+dfsg-1~deb7u10; wheezy-security: 3.6.1+dfsg-1~deb7u14; jessie: 4.1+dfsg-1+deb8u11; jessie-proposed-updates: 4.1+dfsg-1+deb8u12; jessie-security: 4.1+dfsg-1+deb8u12; jessie-backports: 4.7.3+dfsg-1~bpo8+1; sid: 4.7.3+dfsg-1; stretch: 4.7.3+dfsg-1 |
| 15:04.43 | stoned | http://wp-cli.org/ |
| 15:04.52 | unborn | frozen or not - if virtual stuff setup properly - no need for apt-get.. |
| 15:04.53 | somiaj | unborn: wordpress is in jessie with security support, and in jessie-backports for a newer version |
| 15:05.12 | darkseg | rohit_: if you run netstat are you listening on port 22? |
| 15:05.16 | unborn | okay, Im just one of those stupit.. |
| 15:05.22 | SpeakerToMeat | Iridos: Slink, I need Debian Slink, Sweet Mother Of God |
| 15:05.23 | stoned | !wpcli is http://wp-cli.org/ WP-CLI is a set of command-line tools for managing WordPress installations. You can update plugins, configure multisite installs and much more, without using a web browser. |
| 15:05.23 | dpkg | stoned: okay |
| 15:05.28 | galex-713 | somiaj, because itâs for installing, iâd like to install other packages then (thunderbird, libreoffice, etc. especially those that work on non-free OSes too) |
| 15:05.43 | stoned | now, if anyone mentions instaling wp thorugh debian repos, please dont. !tell them about wp cli |
| 15:05.46 | stoned | thank you |
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| 15:06.07 | unborn | stoned: no one needs debian repos for installing wp.. |
| 15:06.08 | stoned | it will install and mage latest wp versions fo ryou |
| 15:06.12 | stoned | unborn: true. |
| 15:06.26 | unborn | just..one of those useless things out there. |
| 15:06.32 | stoned | *nod* |
| 15:06.59 | unborn | somiaj: i was devops before sysops.. |
| 15:07.10 | stoned | No idea why someone would een pakage cms and other security prone things which need constant updates on debian. Debian is stable/frozen. |
| 15:07.12 | galex-713 | somiaj, and unpacking, upgrading and repacking live-system is tedious, also it adds the bother of useless boot entries like âinstallâ, âgraphical installâ, â[install] advanced optionsâ, etc. |
| 15:07.28 | stoned | and I'm not sure if wp debian packag keeps up w/ security updates as fast as they happen. |
| 15:07.53 | galex-713 | wait, whatâs the default dm for debian when you install xfce? |
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| 15:08.06 | stoned | lightdm? |
| 15:08.07 | unborn | stoned: coz they would like it.. however as it happens - no one needs it, also 99% installs it outside.. |
| 15:08.07 | galex-713 | tried to install gdm and is noticing apt is installing gnome-shell |
| 15:08.28 | galex-713 | ah ok |
| 15:08.31 | unborn | documentation is outdated and not clear so - you know it well.. |
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| 15:10.10 | unborn | somiaj: as well you are advanced about os - that I am very well advanced regards the servers.. trust me if I would say I note you - or not.. its mean to be like I would say. |
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| 15:11.43 | carp_ | stoned: unborn: You guys are clearly for more technical than me, but Im trying to understand. So what is your recommendation for wordpress. Basically I want to make a small personal website, maybe eventually it will have a forum. Im on Debian Jessie and have backports enabled. Id like security updates to be handled as simply as possible on my part (running update and upgrade commands daily would be the easiest). |
| 15:12.09 | srg | I know exact release dates aren't identified, but is the stretch release months away or a year away? I'm not super familiar with debian's release cycle timing and I'm trying to plan for a prod server. |
| 15:12.11 | petn-randall | ,v wordpress |
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| 15:12.19 | judd | Package: wordpress on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.6.1+dfsg-1~deb7u10; wheezy-security: 3.6.1+dfsg-1~deb7u14; jessie: 4.1+dfsg-1+deb8u11; jessie-proposed-updates: 4.1+dfsg-1+deb8u12; jessie-security: 4.1+dfsg-1+deb8u12; jessie-backports: 4.7.3+dfsg-1~bpo8+1; sid: 4.7.3+dfsg-1; stretch: 4.7.3+dfsg-1 |
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| 15:13.27 | unborn | carp_: well - if that is small personal website - I would go to wordpress .org website and install directly latest wordpress onto your server. also I would consider mysqlite against mysql.. its just text file |
| 15:13.45 | Iridos | srg, months |
| 15:13.50 | unborn | carp_: also this will make things for bacup easier. |
| 15:14.05 | carp_ | unborn: Thanks for the tips. |
| 15:14.08 | unborn | I would not use anything from apt-get.. too much hassle for sites |
| 15:14.25 | petn-randall | carp_: If you care about security support, either install the packages from Debian, or install from source. I've heard wordpress now comes with an auto-updater by default which can't be turned off. |
| 15:14.29 | unborn | carp_: if you need more info. just pm me. |
| 15:14.32 | Iridos | dpkg, tell srg about stretch freeze |
| 15:14.49 | carp_ | Thanks guys. |
| 15:15.01 | Iridos | srg, when these are done https://udd.debian.org/bugs/bugs/?release=stretch_and_sid&patch=ign&merged=ign&done=ign&fnewerval=7&rc=1&sortby=id&sorto=asc&ctags=1&ctags=1&cdeferred=1#results |
| 15:15.01 | Iridos | ^^ |
| 15:15.49 | unborn | petn-randall: to be honest he should be always off for source.. as debian repos are pretty much outdated. |
| 15:16.26 | unborn | plus he would have freedom of configs.. |
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| 15:17.41 | Stummi | unborn, sorry, went away. I am also not a user of gedit |
| 15:17.53 | srg | Thanks Iridos |
| 15:18.14 | unborn | Stummi: its okay.. it was just general question :) |
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| 15:19.05 | unborn | Stummi: I would be glad if you could suggest me an terminal option.. please do so. |
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| 15:21.42 | carp_ | petn-randall: just to be clear, when you say install the packages from Debian, thats with something like apt-get right? So I would be running wordpress with the 2015 theme by default and would always be atleast a year behind the most up to date worpdress. (this is totally fine as far as Im concerned). |
| 15:22.22 | Stummi | unborn, echo "first line"; sed 1d yourfile |
| 15:22.23 | TomTomTo1 | carp_: debian packages the latest wordpress release as you can take from the version list above. |
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| 15:23.20 | unborn | Stummi: sorry but it did not worked for me.. I just had your highlights on me that's all |
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| 15:23.53 | unborn | ,v wordpress |
| 15:23.54 | judd | Package: wordpress on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.6.1+dfsg-1~deb7u10; wheezy-security: 3.6.1+dfsg-1~deb7u14; jessie: 4.1+dfsg-1+deb8u11; jessie-proposed-updates: 4.1+dfsg-1+deb8u12; jessie-security: 4.1+dfsg-1+deb8u12; jessie-backports: 4.7.3+dfsg-1~bpo8+1; sid: 4.7.3+dfsg-1; stretch: 4.7.3+dfsg-1 |
| 15:24.08 | petn-randall | carp_: Yes, with apt-get. That way you get security support as long as you regularly install updates. Look at 'unattended-upgrades' for example. |
| 15:24.51 | transhuman_ | hi! I am wondering. (In light of the SHA-1 fail. I notice that SHA-1 is now disabled on Debian. Which is good of course, but I notice the default is to accept the current version of the ssh_config. Would the settiings in ssh_config EVER have any relevance on the sha-1 subject? |
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| 15:25.51 | unborn | perhaps this is right carp_ but since wordpress does automatic updates - hm nothing working for me... unless apt-get.. |
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| 15:27.06 | unborn | sha1? - goolge it.. so far to my knowledge - it should be banned or removed at least |
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| 15:27.43 | carp_ | petn-randall: unborn: great. well honestly as I am a noob, Im much more comfortable using apt-get so I think I will use that method. |
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| 15:29.03 | unborn | carp_: sure.. i did not know that debian would be able to feed new releases about the app it self - usually they don't tell you at all. that is why I did keep wordpress separate.. |
| 15:29.18 | unborn | you know... all of those things. |
| 15:29.52 | unborn | + no one will talk to you.. its just bad insult to debian it self. |
| 15:30.06 | dixson | Hello friends; I need you to help me with a problem. Connect 2 computers in network (windows 7, linuxmint 18.1 mate). From windows to linux no problem, but from linux to windows if, ask me for username and password. |
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| 15:30.28 | carp_ | unborn: ok this is interesting for me to learn. So do you think the guide I linked would be a good one to try following? http://www.tecmint.com/install-wordpress-using-apache-in-debian-ubuntu-linux-mint/ |
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| 15:30.35 | petn-randall | hi dixson, how is this related to Debian? |
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| 15:32.23 | unborn | carp_: all I am saying if you did install it via apt-get update - follow they guide if you did installed to your server via wordpress .org - just let if go for automatic safety updates... |
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| 15:33.03 | unborn | ...i use only debian.. no mint or ubuntu on my end |
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| 15:34.06 | carp_ | I too am on debian only, the guide is for debian and the others. Thanks for the help though. |
| 15:35.37 | dontknow | carp_, you need to remove password protection from windows. i don't remember how. maybe by disabling uac. i am not sure |
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| 15:36.27 | carp_ | dontknow: i think you meant to reply to dixson ? |
| 15:36.41 | dontknow | ah yes |
| 15:39.09 | unborn | carp_: sure I understand that guide is out of date withing all and others.. so far I was unable to contact anyone to modify those docs out there and I do not think I or anyone else would be successfully - contact form on those pages are just bad joke.. be honest - its shit. |
| 15:39.34 | jhutchins | ,v wordpress |
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| 15:39.36 | judd | Package: wordpress on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.6.1+dfsg-1~deb7u10; wheezy-security: 3.6.1+dfsg-1~deb7u14; jessie: 4.1+dfsg-1+deb8u11; jessie-proposed-updates: 4.1+dfsg-1+deb8u12; jessie-security: 4.1+dfsg-1+deb8u12; jessie-backports: 4.7.3+dfsg-1~bpo8+1; sid: 4.7.3+dfsg-1; stretch: 4.7.3+dfsg-1 |
| 15:39.45 | unborn | carp_: it will leads you nowhere or to the ban here.. at irc chat.. that's what it is. |
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| 15:40.38 | jhutchins | carp_: Mainstream jessie wordpress is currently insecure, backports is current and secure. |
| 15:41.02 | jhutchins | carp_: Many people rely on the internal update checks and automatic minor-version updates within wordpress. |
| 15:41.50 | unborn | carp_: so far no one give a toss about documentation here.. ops here would mute you or ban you however docs would never change.. that is an as they call it ; reality ; |
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| 15:42.17 | jhutchins | carp_: If you're going to be working with WP you will want to learn and use wp-cli. Among other things you can rescue an installation when you have lost access to wp-admin. |
| 15:42.25 | transhuman_ | well, this isn't an official debian source, but it indicates that the KeyAlgorithm" accepts sha-1 as an algorithm. I am not trying to start anything just suggesting that if people during upgrade process don't change the ssh_config settings...does that mean it will accept sha-1 if people don't catch the default sha_config setting of not upgrading to package maintainers version? |
| 15:43.46 | carp_ | unborn: sorry Im not quite sure what you are saying. I think you are saying you think the guide I linked is out of date and so I shouldnt follow it. Its the most up to date guide I could find for installing wordpress on debian jessie. I dont understand what you are saying about banning and muting in IRC chat. |
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| 15:44.13 | carp_ | jhutchins: Thanks for these tips. Im on jessie backports already so thats good. I will look into wpcli more. |
| 15:44.26 | TomTomTo1 | nobody is ever sure what unborn is saying. |
| 15:44.27 | unborn | jhutchins: if the user would love to learn about wordpress - he does not need to learn about cli.. sorry but you are advising the user rubbish. |
| 15:45.00 | unborn | TomTomTo1: sure.. face the truth.. finally |
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| 15:46.06 | TomTomTo1 | transhuman_: RSA is using SHA256 for the fingerprint afaik. i'm not sure you can change that. |
| 15:47.10 | unborn | carp_: the only site I suggest is worpress.org.. I do not use debian repos for being updated.. what i did said is bebian is a bit outdated -and you can avoid this... |
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| 15:47.17 | unborn | that is all I said. |
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| 15:48.58 | petn-randall | transhuman_: It's always the job of the admin to make sure any needed config changes are done. Regarding sha1, it's still going to be safe for verifying data. The attack on SHA-1 was a collision attack, not a pre-image attack. |
| 15:49.25 | unborn | regards wordpress just install it properly from withing wordpress .org repos and chill out.. no need to apt-get.. which does not work from jessie gui at all - save your self from this. |
| 15:49.37 | petn-randall | Meaning: It doesn't enable an attacker to exchange a valid key with a malicious one without going unnoticed. |
| 15:50.20 | jhutchins | carp_: Wordpress tends to do major updates about every four months - April, August, December. It's not a schedule, but a trend. |
| 15:50.41 | transhuman_ | oh ok, just thought I might have come across something to let the Debian folks know about, no problem |
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| 15:51.04 | unborn | ...meaning all your comments to get lost...perhaps no one get it out properly yet :) |
| 15:51.10 | carp_ | jhutchins: right. |
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| 16:00.38 | JamesB | Is there any way to revert a Debian security update? |
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| 16:01.06 | petn-randall | ,v samba |
| 16:01.08 | judd | Package: samba on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u7; wheezy-security: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u11; wheezy-backports: 2:4.1.17+dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u2; jessie-security: 2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u2; sid: 2:4.5.6+dfsg-1; stretch: 2:4.5.6+dfsg-1 |
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| 16:01.56 | petn-randall | JamesB: Are you sure that the problem didn't exist before, and just showed up on restart? |
| 16:02.20 | JamesB | Yes, I am very sure. It has been working fine for months, between many power-offs. |
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| 16:02.36 | JamesB | I can create and edit files in the root directory of the share, but Explorer freezes on creating files in any subdirectory, and nobody can access any files in any subdirectories. |
| 16:02.59 | petn-randall | JamesB: You might have the old package still in /var/cache/apt/archives/. If not, you can use snapshots.debian.org. |
| 16:03.27 | petn-randall | JamesB: If you verified it works with the old version, I'd check the BTS and file a high severity bug report against samba. |
| 16:03.30 | JamesB | I received the breaking update at 7:37 this morning. |
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| 16:03.54 | JamesB | Hmm, okay. I will look in there. |
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| 16:04.35 | legionmoss | exit |
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| 16:05.29 | petn-randall | JamesB: It seldomly happens, but when it does, it's annoying. There was a asterisk security update a few years back that broke SIP. Twice. |
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| 16:07.10 | jhutchins | JamesB: It's likely that some configuration item has changed syntax or changed defaults. |
| 16:07.45 | jhutchins | JamesB: You can enable (more verbose) logging to help diagnose the problem, but remember to disable it when you're done fixing it (samba logging is a major performance hit). |
| 16:08.07 | JamesB | Hmm. I have the package. I have not installed in this manner before, though... if I use gdebi on the samba .deb, I get 'dependency is not satisfiable', if I use it on samba-common, I get 'breaks existing package dependency'... What's the appropriate way to install this old version? |
| 16:08.29 | petn-randall | jhutchins: Unlikely. Upstream version number didn't change, so this should be non-changing bugfixes only. |
| 16:08.41 | jhutchins | petn-randall: Should. |
| 16:08.58 | petn-randall | Wait, jessie changelog isn't up yet |
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| 16:09.30 | jhutchins | I have had situations where fixing a bug broke my system, because my system had relied on the bug. |
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| 16:09.48 | JamesB | Let me try disabling AppArmor first, just in case. It's possible the AppArmor profile wasn't tested for the change. |
| 16:10.58 | JamesB | OK, it's not AppArmor. |
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| 16:13.00 | jhutchins | JamesB: It sounds like the dirmask is wrong. |
| 16:13.33 | jhutchins | JamesB: Can you check and see how Explorer sees the permissions on the subdirs? |
| 16:14.27 | JamesB | The dirmask should at least cause it to give errors, though. When I create a file, Explorer will literally freeze until I end task it. |
| 16:15.01 | JamesB | I am using ACLs and extended attributes and all that jazz, by the way. Permissions for a test directory are |
| 16:16.01 | JamesB | Everyone none, (the creator) full control this folder, CREATOR OWNER full control, (the group) full control of the folder, CREATOR GROUP full control |
| 16:16.02 | JamesB | Pretty normal |
| 16:16.37 | JamesB | How does one force an old version install? apt-get tells me about unmet dependencies if I try to specify deb8u2 instead of deb8u4. gdebi won't install either .What is the normal way to do this? |
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| 16:20.10 | JamesB | If I try apt-get install samba-common=2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u2, it does offer to downgrade samba-common, but it will also remove samba. Will I lose my settings if I do this? |
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| 16:25.28 | Daiwo | anyone pretty familiar wiith "gnu shred" here ? |
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| 16:25.53 | jhutchins | !downgrade |
| 16:25.54 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 16:26.42 | jhutchins | JamesB: It is going to be more difficult to downgrade something as complex as samba than to find and fix the actual problem. |
| 16:26.57 | jhutchins | JamesB: I assume you do not havea pre-upgrade backup? |
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| 16:28.47 | rmasoumvand | !test |
| 16:28.47 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 16:29.26 | Daiwo | hmm |
| 16:29.32 | Daiwo | guess i'll just ask ;p |
| 16:29.47 | JamesB | Yup |
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| 16:29.52 | JamesB | I reverted |
| 16:29.54 | JamesB | and it works again |
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| 16:30.05 | JamesB | to deb8u2 from deb8u4. |
| 16:30.27 | Daiwo | trying to figure out what is be an appropriate (sure bet) amount of overwrite (n) passes (iterations) to reach a reasonable unrecoverable assumption.. (using gnu shred) |
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| 16:30.42 | Daiwo | cmd I use currently isââ$ find <PathToTargetParent'sPath> -depth -type f -exec shred -f -v -n 3 -z {} \; |
| 16:31.16 | JamesB | For now I'll just disable unattended upgrades and file a bug. |
| 16:31.29 | Chrismeister | Any suggestions for a really fast file copying protocol to use between two IP-adresses? |
| 16:31.31 | Daiwo | which does pretty nifty job ... but having not much knowledge nor background on data erasal/sanitization , I though asking expert first |
| 16:32.24 | Papillon | iscsi? http? rsync? |
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| 16:38.11 | somiaj | JamesB: you can also put the package on hold so you can keep your other upgrades going |
| 16:38.43 | Guest50683 | Hello how to display the ulimit value for a given process ? |
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| 16:40.43 | somiaj | Guest50683: I think it is located under /proc/pid |
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| 16:42.31 | JamesB | OK, I've reported the bug. |
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| 16:43.04 | petn-randall | JamesB: Putting the package on hold should be enough. |
| 16:43.46 | Guest50683 | somiaj, cool, thank you |
| 16:44.23 | Guest50683 | process='MyProcess' ; cat /proc/$(ps aux |grep $process |grep -v grep |cut -c 1-100 |awk '{print $2}')/limits |grep 'Max open files' |
| 16:44.25 | somiaj | Guest50683: /proc/pid/limits |
| 16:44.38 | somiaj | Guest50683: oh you found it. I was looking it up |
| 16:44.55 | Guest50683 | somiaj, :) thank you |
| 16:45.11 | somiaj | systemd seems to do its own thing here, so limits.conf isn't always allowed. I had a service I had to increase the limit and I did it in its unit file in the end |
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| 17:02.17 | hiya | I am having a strange issue with my Dell Inspiron 3542 laptop, when I plug in the power to charge the battery when laptop is on, performance goes sluggish and pointer freezes and everything tends to hang.. What to do? |
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| 17:05.37 | bamb | hi im trynna install tightvncserver on debian 8.7 |
| 17:05.45 | bamb | but it says it canot locate the package |
| 17:05.48 | bamb | how can i install it? |
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| 17:06.57 | decci | Hello |
| 17:07.21 | mefistofeles | bamb: did you run apt-get update? |
| 17:07.25 | decci | I am trying to use ISO Master to include megaraid_sas driver into wheezy |
| 17:07.53 | decci | I was watching a video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sbcUcQtACQ where it talks about adding firmware into ISO |
| 17:08.14 | decci | But in my case its RAID controller driver, where shall I copy it to |
| 17:08.39 | bamb | yep |
| 17:09.06 | bamb | mefistofeles: i am trying "apt-get install tightvncserver" |
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| 17:09.51 | unborn | decci: that is very well outdated links.. been using isomaster in 2002... |
| 17:10.02 | mefistofeles | bamb: and what's the exact complete output? use paste.debian.net to paste long text |
| 17:10.24 | decci | unborn: but I believe it would help me insert right driver easily |
| 17:10.32 | bamb | mefistofeles: http://pastebin.com/Y7j8jJaW |
| 17:10.39 | decci | unborn: any idea under what directory wll megaraid_sas go |
| 17:11.06 | decci | unborn: usually I see it under /lib/modules/<kernel version> kernel/scsi/ |
| 17:11.21 | unborn | decci: I do not use it any more as it is well outdated.. did you try to use anything else - yet? |
| 17:11.23 | decci | unborn: But while I mount ISO I dont see any directory |
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| 17:11.31 | mefistofeles | bamb: and what apt-cache search tightvncserver says? |
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| 17:11.34 | rockyiii | hi all |
| 17:11.35 | decci | unborn: I believe its just mounting the ISP |
| 17:11.37 | decci | ISO |
| 17:11.56 | bamb | mefistofeles: nothing |
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| 17:12.19 | decci | unborn: boot..css..dists.. |
| 17:12.33 | mefistofeles | bamb: paste the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list please |
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| 17:13.21 | bamb | http://pastebin.com/EYiMZh0Y |
| 17:13.26 | rockyiii | one cuestion. Does anyone know if Firefox 52 will support alsa in debian? |
| 17:13.27 | bamb | ohh im guessing that could be the problem... |
| 17:13.41 | mefistofeles | bamb: oh, your sources.list is wrong |
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| 17:14.06 | mefistofeles | you are missing the core/main repos, you only have the security ones available |
| 17:14.19 | bamb | what should i add? |
| 17:14.24 | decci | bamb: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/amd64/tightvncserver/download |
| 17:14.30 | mefistofeles | decci: no |
| 17:14.35 | petn-randall | rockyiii: They dropped support because some ALSA drivers only support one input stream and that caused a lot of bug reports from people not realizing this. |
| 17:14.37 | mefistofeles | he needs to fix his sources.list |
| 17:14.49 | unborn | decci: ;e |
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| 17:15.04 | mefistofeles | bamb: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
| 17:15.24 | Voldenet | bamb: why not just change your sources.list to default one |
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| 17:15.48 | mefistofeles | Voldenet: I believe that's not an option,he probably changed/overwrote the default one, not sure |
| 17:15.54 | david7 | hi |
| 17:15.55 | unborn | perhaps you use different way to create your own iso.. ? that isomaster is I'll adviced |
| 17:16.05 | unborn | *ill adviced |
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| 17:16.14 | Voldenet | mefistofeles: he installed from a cd/dvd I think |
| 17:16.20 | mefistofeles | bamb: the example they put on the wiki I linked should be enough |
| 17:16.22 | mefistofeles | Voldenet: yes |
| 17:16.23 | decci | unborn: All I need to know is where shall I add that megaraid_sas .DEB package |
| 17:16.24 | Voldenet | bamb: here's the 'default one' for jessie http://pastebin.com/2SDVUQZM |
| 17:16.46 | unborn | Voldenet: sure.. |
| 17:16.48 | decci | unborn: I got the right driver in the form of megaraid_sas-06.812.07.00-1_Debian7.0.amd64.deb |
| 17:16.54 | unborn | v, isomaster |
| 17:17.01 | mefistofeles | uh, upgrading server from debian 7 to 8 :P |
| 17:17.04 | mefistofeles | wish me luck |
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| 17:17.32 | jhutchins | ,v minetest |
| 17:17.33 | judd | Package: minetest on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.3.1+dfsg-4; jessie: 0.4.10+repack-1; jessie-backports: 0.4.15+repack-1~bpo8+1; sid: 0.4.15+repack2-1; stretch: 0.4.15+repack2-1 |
| 17:17.42 | jhutchins | mefistofeles: Backup? |
| 17:17.45 | unborn | mefistofeles: you should be fine.. as long as no apache configs are involved ;) |
| 17:17.50 | unborn | go ahead! |
| 17:17.52 | mefistofeles | jhutchins: yes, daily backup here |
| 17:18.00 | david7 | who is the admin here? |
| 17:18.01 | jhutchins | xlnt |
| 17:18.02 | mefistofeles | unborn: lots of apache configs involved |
| 17:18.04 | mefistofeles | LOTS |
| 17:18.22 | decci | Shall i put it under the firmware directory and try creating ISO |
| 17:18.22 | jhutchins | mefistofeles: Oh, fun, you get to do 2.2 to 2.4, right? |
| 17:18.43 | jelly | david7: we have a number of ops, do you have an issue? |
| 17:18.49 | unborn | well...try to read before update mefistofeles .. apache 2.2 !=2.4 |
| 17:18.53 | mefistofeles | jhutchins: I have to check that, yes |
| 17:19.06 | mefistofeles | unborn: ok |
| 17:19.11 | david7 | yes |
| 17:19.51 | jhutchins | mefistofeles: The big thing is all the allow, deny statements need to be updated. |
| 17:19.51 | unborn | mefistofeles: perhaps do update in your virtual machine first? |
| 17:19.57 | mefistofeles | https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/upgrading.html this should be enough |
| 17:20.07 | mefistofeles | unborn: yes, this is a container for testing purposes |
| 17:20.33 | jelly | david7: state it please. If you feel uncomfortable doing it in public, /msg me, join #debian-ops and do it there |
| 17:21.00 | jelly | OR* join #debian-ops |
| 17:21.03 | decci | I added it to firmware folder and now creating the ISO. Lets see if it goes well |
| 17:21.09 | david7 | ok thx |
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| 17:22.22 | unborn | mefistofeles: - well never been using containers for server it sefl as they have its own security issues - you can do your own research about it.. but if you do update - test it first in your virtual machine or read about changes first.. - perhaps you should be fine.. |
| 17:23.12 | mefistofeles | unborn: yeah, we've been using LXC for our virtual servers, no issues so far |
| 17:23.18 | mefistofeles | unborn: thanks for the tip |
| 17:23.53 | unborn | mefistofeles: ain't said that you will have a problem.. all I said is to test it before deployment ;) |
| 17:24.10 | mefistofeles | sure |
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| 17:25.58 | unborn | mefistofeles: you know what to edit plus how to test it.. once satisfied - just deploy it on your live server... |
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| 17:28.15 | jelly | dpkg, tell david7 about ask |
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| 17:46.25 | Chrismeister | I try to send an image over FTP with bash. I tried this: https://paste.debian.net/923772/ |
| 17:46.25 | Chrismeister | This works bad since I think the session is closed before my whole image is transferred. Do anyone have an idea how to fix this? |
| 17:46.55 | petn-randall | !ftp must die |
| 17:46.55 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie . If you really just want to provide anonymous download of files, use HTTP: http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/ftp-vs-http.html |
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| 17:47.59 | petn-randall | Chrismeister: That is because command and data streams are two different things in FTP. So when your put command returns, the file isn't finished uploading. |
| 17:48.06 | petn-randall | Chrismeister: Solution is not to use FTP. |
| 17:48.20 | rmasoumvand | use rsync |
| 17:48.27 | petn-randall | Chrismeister: Use scp or many other safer alternatives. |
| 17:49.09 | Chrismeister | petn-randall: Just got it to work by writing binary before the put statement. Thanks for the help anyways! |
| 17:49.13 | DoberMann_ | Chrismeister: you should look at ncftp and its ncftpget ncftpput |
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| 17:49.43 | `Kevin | people still use ftp? :( |
| 17:50.06 | DoberMann_ | yep, and FTP is easier than http for upload ;p |
| 17:50.14 | rmasoumvand | whats wrong with ftp? |
| 17:50.16 | DoberMann_ | scp rules ofc ;) |
| 17:50.17 | Iridos | yes⦠and hair-dos you can hide a bee-hive in \o/ |
| 17:50.27 | petn-randall | Chrismeister: I'm surprised that fixed it for you. Are you sure it's not just a timing issue? |
| 17:50.43 | JamesB | FTP works fine on a LAN |
| 17:51.02 | napping | Is it at all reasonable to take my mbr-formatted system disk and try to move it to a new UEFI computer without reinstalling Debian? |
| 17:51.08 | petn-randall | See dpkg's message for why ftp needs to die. |
| 17:51.19 | JamesB | I kind of wish there was something like SSHD but more like Nginx, namely, I'm not by default exposing my whole system when I just want to copy a file |
| 17:51.46 | `Kevin | JamesB: and having linux on the LAN there is no need for a ftp daemon to run so... |
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| 17:52.09 | `Kevin | anyhow I see a flameware coming <- goes away |
| 17:52.19 | jelly | JamesB: you can configure openssh server to only allow sftp (for certain users) |
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| 17:53.24 | jelly | scp is kind of crap and relies on shell features, sftp is fine and single purpose |
| 17:54.39 | DoberMann_ | https://github.com/scponly/scponly/wiki |
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| 17:55.43 | jelly | DoberMann_: all the scp-only workaround shells have had security holes in the past |
| 17:56.11 | jelly | scponly, rssh, etc |
| 17:56.45 | rmasoumvand | for ftp i use vsftpd, its great |
| 17:57.30 | jelly | david7: ask here. |
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| 17:59.34 | Chrismeister | petn-randall: No, I am pretty sure. No issues so far! :) |
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| 18:01.37 | jhutchins | jelly: OpenSSH now has an internal mechanism. It's been a couple of years since I set it up, but it overcomes the holes in the fake shells. |
| 18:01.49 | jhutchins | jelly: There are also options to restrict filesystem access. |
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| 18:06.00 | jelly | jhutchins: yeah, no thanks, scp still has problems with symlinks and needs shell escaping |
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| 18:07.08 | jelly | sftp is a lot saner, use it. |
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| 18:08.31 | rafalcpp | isn't sftp using that braindead FTP protocol |
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| 18:09.02 | teraflops | rafalcpp: not at all |
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| 18:09.36 | rafalcpp | client "sftp" can go over ssh? |
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| 18:09.37 | Poster | you might be thinking of FTPS, which is entirely different than SFTP |
| 18:09.45 | Poster | sftp is a subsystem of SSH |
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| 18:24.39 | jelly | rafalcpp: that's how it always goes |
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| 18:25.57 | prppedro | #c4ll |
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| 18:26.37 | jelly | prppedro: are you a bot? |
| 18:27.02 | prppedro | jelly, nope... It was just an keyboard incident. hahaha |
| 18:27.14 | prppedro | a* |
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| 18:27.42 | rafalcpp | yes, damn cats |
| 18:27.45 | jelly | phew |
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| 18:28.07 | rafalcpp | although... that is a likelly auto-reply from a bot who sees string "bot" |
| 18:28.52 | prppedro | rafalcpp, guess you're right (?) |
| 18:28.52 | jelly | and it automatically makes a typo and corrects it, to look more ahumany |
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| 18:29.53 | Ooze | Hello. I just ran 'find . -type f -exec sed -i 's/http/https/g' {} +' a directory higher than I meant to... |
| 18:30.12 | Ooze | Is there a log file I can check to see the files that were updated? |
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| 18:30.53 | jelly | Ooze: nope. Do you have backups? |
| 18:31.04 | rafalcpp | prppedro: if minority of people in a population are the really smart ones, if we create a system in which the majority of voters decides about future of nation, will such decission be in the effect made by the stupid or smart part? |
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| 18:31.39 | jelly | Ooze: what you can do is use find to find files updated in last 5 minutes or so, find . -mmin -5 |
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| 18:32.23 | rafalcpp | Ooze: make a backup before trying to fix it |
| 18:32.42 | jelly | um, it's too late now |
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| 18:33.03 | rafalcpp | jelly: still it can get even worse by botched fixing, e.g.by running reverse replace |
| 18:33.13 | jelly | making a backup to redo a mistake sounds silly |
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| 18:33.37 | rafalcpp | no, it's just to not make situation even worse :) |
| 18:34.19 | Ooze | Yeah, I was about to do that but held off |
| 18:34.26 | Ooze | jelly: this was in my backups dir :) |
| 18:34.37 | Ooze | I noticed it was hanging longer than it should |
| 18:34.42 | jelly | you done goofed up |
| 18:34.47 | Ooze | I don't think much damage could be done by it, but very unfortnuate |
| 18:34.55 | Ooze | was the root of my website dir |
| 18:34.57 | prppedro | rafalcpp, well, if they vote for someone among smart people to make the decision... |
| 18:35.06 | rafalcpp | prppedro: lol |
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| 18:35.33 | rafalcpp | jelly: yeah he's a typical human |
| 18:35.49 | prppedro | rafalcpp... hahaha... Just kiddin'... There's no way for a collective decision to be much wise... |
| 18:36.04 | jelly | Ooze: next time, don't keep backups on the some mountpoint? |
| 18:36.12 | jelly | or same system |
| 18:36.17 | Ooze | Was on my NAS |
| 18:36.26 | rafalcpp | Ooze: try pulling out powercord, but in like 5 second after mistake |
| 18:36.31 | rafalcpp | so maybe next time |
| 18:36.54 | Ooze | ok |
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| 18:37.19 | jelly | but yeah, I also haven't made an offsite backup in a long while |
| 18:37.19 | Ooze | ooh I could do a find for http and https |
| 18:37.21 | prppedro | oh, looks like university class is requiring my full attention, now |
| 18:37.22 | rafalcpp | it gives a chance to have no damage if you noticed it in few seconds. but also to lose this or even other files due to entire FS damage. depends |
| 18:37.23 | Ooze | and just check up on things |
| 18:37.28 | prppedro | may be it's more human than I ever liked |
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| 18:37.47 | prppedro | see ya, humanoid fellows |
| 18:37.59 | rafalcpp | prppedro: bye o/ |
| 18:38.03 | prppedro | \o |
| 18:38.08 | Ooze | Will 'find . -R -type f -exec grep http*' do what I'm looking for? |
| 18:38.08 | rafalcpp | leaks coolant fluid at alarming rate |
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| 18:38.34 | jelly | Ooze: what's wrong finding files recently changed? |
| 18:38.36 | rafalcpp | Ooze: or simply grep -r 'http' * ? |
| 18:38.43 | `Kevin | x2 @ jelly |
| 18:38.52 | Ooze | jelly: yeah that would actually be preferred... |
| 18:39.01 | `Kevin | use -mmin -20 or something similar |
| 18:39.31 | rafalcpp | Ooze: curious, it was just some data? I wonder why not in some git |
| 18:39.36 | jelly | `Kevin: maybe he'll read it the third time it's said |
| 18:39.40 | rafalcpp | if it's work, then use versioning sys :) |
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| 18:39.42 | `Kevin | jelly: :( |
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| 18:40.29 | Ooze | no mostly web pages and pix |
| 18:40.42 | missmbob | seriously using git for websites is a great idea. even for personal use |
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| 18:41.26 | rafalcpp | yes |
| 18:41.52 | rafalcpp | you mean even for amator use? of course professionals keep projects in git or other vcs |
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| 18:45.09 | jelly | rafalcpp: git (and git-annex) can be used as a poor man's versioned filesystem, you can put anything in not just source code |
| 18:45.22 | Ooze | I got my listing... I don't understand how non-text files were modified by that command |
| 18:45.30 | jelly | how? easily. |
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| 18:46.18 | jelly | sed doesn't care what's inside as long as it looks a bit like a something with occasional line-endings |
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| 18:46.27 | init7 | !help |
| 18:47.08 | Ooze | Well, any suggestions as to how to remediate this list? http://paste.debian.net/923791/ |
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| 18:47.35 | Ooze | The command was stupid as it swapped existing https files with httpss |
| 18:47.39 | Ooze | Sooooooooooooo |
| 18:47.52 | Ooze | :s/files/strings |
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| 18:48.28 | jelly | Ooze: not easily. some can be re-downloaded, of if this is backups, you have other copies to compare from |
| 18:49.08 | Ooze | uggggh |
| 18:49.17 | Ooze | broke a bunch of my images |
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| 18:50.15 | rafalcpp | Ooze: try google image search with site:pornhub.com |
| 18:50.19 | rafalcpp | worked for me |
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| 18:50.38 | jelly | Ooze: as rafalcpp said, make an additional backup of current state, THEN play with s/https/http/g on the copy, and see if your images get unbroken |
| 18:50.49 | babilen | rafalcpp: That's not really appropriate |
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| 18:51.16 | rafalcpp | babilen: are you from the purists police? |
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| 18:51.31 | rafalcpp | one could write a small program to try various combinations of http/https in each file, Ooze |
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| 18:51.49 | jelly | Ooze: "myWebsite/u/Books/O'Reilly Ultimate Collection/sedhyCBR9" seems to be the temporary file sed has been last working on |
| 18:51.53 | rafalcpp | if files now has N occurances of "https" then there are 2^n ways to fix it |
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| 18:52.07 | ksk | If I setup a timer in systemd, can it handle locking for me? Like, only one copy should run? thanks! |
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| 18:52.51 | Ooze | hmmm |
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| 18:53.27 | jelly | rafalcpp: they did say s/http/https/g made all the https into httpss now, so it might be reversible (assuming sed doesn't corrupt other pieces of data, eg. if it encounters a \0 byte) |
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| 18:54.31 | rafalcpp | jelly: oh right. because luckilly ALL http were replaced, a reverse would work likely |
| 18:55.01 | babilen | rafalcpp: I have no idea what the purist police is, but a technical support channel is not the right place nor do I think if helps Ooze in resolving the issue at hand |
| 18:55.01 | Ooze | Well, but perhaps not all were replaced as I didn't allow it to run to completion |
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| 18:55.44 | jelly | "all" the files from -mmin find |
| 18:55.50 | rafalcpp | Ooze: but it worked file by file, so probably all that are replaced are fully replaced - perhaps except last one |
| 18:55.51 | Ooze | Ah |
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| 18:56.21 | jelly | Ooze: sed uses a temporary file. Either it did the whole file and replaced it atomically, or it didn't change it at all |
| 18:56.22 | Ooze | so just swap httpss with http? |
| 18:56.29 | jelly | fuck no? |
| 18:57.07 | jelly | replace all https with http, see how sane the result looks. |
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| 18:57.12 | rafalcpp | Ooze: *after* doing a backup now, run a reverse replace, that is s/https/http/g |
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| 18:57.43 | babilen | Assuming "https" didn't occur in the files beforehand |
| 18:57.47 | rafalcpp | and run it only on files found by that find -mmin |
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| 18:58.07 | jelly | babilen: those are now httpss |
| 18:58.37 | babilen | Ah, true .. happy times :) |
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| 18:59.04 | jelly | maybe. I'm not sure sed is binary-file safe |
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| 18:59.19 | babilen | I've never used it on binaries tbh |
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| 19:01.00 | Ooze | export the finds to a file and execute on that, or is there a better way of going about this? |
| 19:01.43 | rafalcpp | Ooze: are the damaged files in one directory, or in some complicated tree |
| 19:02.02 | Ooze | Mildly complicated tree |
| 19:02.07 | rafalcpp | if not a simple dir, then some find .... -exec like you did first time, but with proper --mmin added |
| 19:02.21 | rafalcpp | keep updating that --mmin as time passes |
| 19:02.25 | Ooze | Right |
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| 19:02.39 | jelly | the simplest thing to do is make a copy of the whole tree, then work on only the relevant files |
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| 19:03.01 | Ooze | There's another massive mountpoint in this tree, so I don't want to copy all of that |
| 19:03.25 | rafalcpp | yeap then find |
| 19:03.38 | rafalcpp | make sure first you did the backup properly, across filesystem and all |
| 19:04.04 | jelly | Ooze: you can tell rsync, cp, tar and find to avoid following mountpoints |
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| 19:04.26 | jelly | to avoid entering a different mountpoint |
| 19:04.28 | rafalcpp | Ooze: first carefully verify backup, then proceed |
| 19:04.31 | Ooze | Yeah, I copied the small files I care about |
| 19:05.15 | jelly | (usually something like --one-file-system or -x or -xdev or... rtfm) |
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| 19:06.56 | jelly | if you're doing actions on lots of files, you probably want to learn about such an option anyway |
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| 19:07.36 | Ooze | I believe I've used that once before |
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| 19:08.52 | Ooze | find myWebsite/ -type f -mmin -60 -exec sed -i 's/https/http/g' {} + |
| 19:08.54 | Ooze | Ja? |
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| 19:09.47 | Ooze | Need to confirm the time is good, but I think that's good |
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| 19:10.51 | rafalcpp | Ooze: jawohl ; |
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| 19:11.37 | Ooze | So that should fix httpss, leaving newly changed http to https alone |
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| 19:11.54 | Ooze | Still may not accomplish my original goal, but I did that re-running in the subdir I originally intended |
| 19:12.02 | Ooze | I have no idea what that means rafalcpp |
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| 19:12.16 | Ooze | Ah |
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| 19:13.43 | jelly | Ooze: no, that would ideally revert everything to original state |
| 19:13.49 | rafalcpp | Ooze: that command looks right. and it will fix everything |
| 19:14.00 | Ooze | I translated rafalcpp ;) |
| 19:14.01 | jelly | if it worked, that is |
| 19:14.08 | Ooze | Gotcha jelly, running now |
| 19:14.11 | rafalcpp | well maybe not mess behind obama, but everything with that files |
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| 19:14.48 | tw | but just think, someone out there is trying to write a regex for that. |
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| 19:16.34 | rafalcpp | tak |
| 19:17.00 | rafalcpp | oh. thanks, missing keep-windows-focus default option in my WM |
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| 19:19.16 | Ooze | I got a Permission Denied on that temp file, but aside from that... |
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| 19:21.53 | Ooze | I think I'm back on solid ground |
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| 19:30.04 | rafalcpp | Ooze: all worked? |
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| 19:35.07 | legionmoss | hi |
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| 19:38.33 | anekant | what's the best text browser for 8.0 minimal, is there a particular lynx package recommended? |
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| 19:42.36 | jelly | anekant: also try elinks or links2 or w3m |
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| 19:43.38 | jelly | Ooze: files inside that git repo can probably be verified using some git fsck thingy |
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| 19:54.37 | r7st | hello, i am using debootstrap and would like to use ssh to access a user inside. how would i do this? |
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| 19:56.21 | debian2017 | can debian with cinnamon be as user friendly as Mint cinnamon? |
| 19:56.27 | johnkeates | no |
| 19:56.32 | jelly | try it and see? |
| 19:56.32 | nkuttler | r7st: why not chroot? |
| 19:56.35 | johnkeates | go to #mint |
| 19:56.50 | debian2017 | I like debian for its stability |
| 19:56.53 | teraflops | r7st: use tmux or ssh before chrooting |
| 19:56.59 | johnkeates | i like it for sanity |
| 19:57.16 | jelly | a coworker uses cinnamon on jessie, it appears to be working for them |
| 19:57.17 | teraflops | tmux/screen ^ |
| 19:57.24 | debian2017 | sanity? |
| 19:57.39 | debian2017 | which is more sane? debian or mint? |
| 19:58.02 | teclo- | well Debian is Debian and Mint is Mint |
| 19:58.10 | r7st | basically i am running a server where many users must have access to eachothers processes through screen |
| 19:58.17 | r7st | and i want to secure it as well as i can |
| 19:58.19 | johnkeates | and chocolate is chocolate |
| 19:58.35 | johnkeates | imagine eating chocolate mints while using debian |
| 19:58.41 | debian2017 | and if as a newbie, I want to use debian, which DE shall I use? which is most well integrated with debian? |
| 19:58.44 | r7st | figured a smaller environment with debootstrap would be easier to manage, but i am not sure if this is the best way to do it. i have tried jails as well |
| 19:58.47 | johnkeates | gnome3 |
| 19:58.49 | jelly | johnkeates: keep it on-topic in here please |
| 19:58.56 | somiaj | debian2017: they have their differences, we here suggest Debian. It has a clear policy, and is a well tested frozen system with security support. Though this does mean it may lack the newest and greatest. |
| 19:59.11 | johnkeates | jelly: you're just jelly about cinnamon and mint ;-) |
| 19:59.18 | r7st | nkuttler: i need other users to ssh into the environment without accessing the host |
| 19:59.21 | johnkeates | debian2017: by default it's gnome-shell |
| 19:59.27 | r7st | can i just change the port and have that work? |
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| 19:59.45 | somiaj | debian2017: you have your choice, mint will work just fine. Some things due to policy (such as non-free firmware) may make things require different (or more) configuration than mint. |
| 19:59.47 | johnkeates | debian2017: but since you're free to choose whatever you like and others are free to 'integrate' whatever they like it doesn't really matter |
| 19:59.49 | debian2017 | ok. I was asking about the DE. which DE is most beginner friendly? |
| 20:00.02 | somiaj | debian2017: arg I mean cinnimon will work just fine. There is also gnome, kde, xfce, lxde and mate to choose from. |
| 20:00.02 | johnkeates | it's also not a single "Operating System", it's the DE that's what you are seeing |
| 20:00.09 | Voldenet | debian2017: probably gnome or kde |
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| 20:00.17 | johnkeates | most people won't care about what it's running on |
| 20:00.22 | somiaj | debian2017: if you like cinimon, I'd go with that. |
| 20:00.26 | nkuttler | r7st: you can configure ssh to chroot users into a dir, not sure though how exactly that behaves if you have a full os there.. |
| 20:00.28 | debian2017 | ok |
| 20:00.35 | johnkeates | with Debian, by default, you get Gnome3 on Debian userland on Linux kernel |
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| 20:00.50 | johnkeates | but you can get KDE on Debian userland and freebsd kernel just as well |
| 20:00.53 | johnkeates | both are debian |
| 20:00.57 | debian2017 | tried several distros. some debian stable based distro as well. |
| 20:00.58 | Voldenet | well cinnamon is pretty much fork of gnome |
| 20:01.00 | johnkeates | but they are definitely not the same |
| 20:01.02 | r7st | nkuttler: debootstrap is working now, i a a fool and forgot to restart ssh |
| 20:01.04 | r7st | d |
| 20:01.08 | debian2017 | found them to be somewhat unstable. |
| 20:01.25 | debian2017 | they freeze randomly |
| 20:01.34 | johnkeates | most of them are unstable |
| 20:01.39 | Voldenet | eh? |
| 20:01.44 | johnkeates | you some have LTS versions, those are good |
| 20:01.55 | johnkeates | some have enterprise versions, those are sometimes good too |
| 20:02.00 | debian2017 | LTS? what are they? |
| 20:02.00 | Voldenet | Tbh. I've given up on using linux desktops after a few years of constant xorg fights |
| 20:02.07 | johnkeates | LTS = long term support |
| 20:02.28 | debian2017 | LTS? which are they? |
| 20:02.31 | johnkeates | LTS = long term support |
| 20:02.38 | Voldenet | oh, deja vu |
| 20:04.13 | tw | rhel, ubuntu, suse... there are probably a number of others that have similar-length support periods for major releases on at least some packages. |
| 20:04.14 | Voldenet | the problem is that companies making gpus are either not very friendly or just stingy towards anything xorg-based... |
| 20:04.21 | Voldenet | ...or the problem is in xorg |
| 20:04.57 | Voldenet | so if you're getting some random gpu freezes and hangs, it's probably a driver problem (not too surprising) |
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| 20:06.50 | debian2017 | ok |
| 20:07.25 | Voldenet | however, it might be just misconfiguration |
| 20:08.00 | debian2017 | ok. I will try a distro with LTS. |
| 20:08.11 | Voldenet | Well then, good luck ;) |
| 20:08.16 | debian2017 | thanks a lot for your suggestions. |
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| 20:08.33 | debian2017 | maybe debian can solve that problem |
| 20:08.42 | tw | debian support duration is pretty long. |
| 20:09.10 | UUSSEERR | I need a grownup to point me in the right direction |
| 20:10.04 | UUSSEERR | I have installed a second wifi card in my pci express slot but debian NO SEE IT |
| 20:10.19 | jhutchins | RHEL is ~10 yrs. |
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| 20:10.58 | jhutchins | UUSSEERR: ifconfig -a? lspci? lshw? |
| 20:11.13 | jhutchins | UUSSEERR: Or are you just looking in Network Manager? |
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| 20:11.40 | UUSSEERR | I have looked with lspci I do not have lshw installed |
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| 20:12.02 | jhutchins | debian2017: If you continue to have problems with Debian (stable) you can pursue the specific problem and what's causing it. |
| 20:12.02 | UUSSEERR | lspci only sees my original card |
| 20:12.32 | phogg | UUSSEERR: tail -f /var/log/kern.log, plug and unplug. Does it react? |
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| 20:12.44 | Voldenet | UUSSEERR: is it a laptop? |
| 20:12.50 | UUSSEERR | hotplug pci card? |
| 20:12.57 | UUSSEERR | yes it is a laptop |
| 20:13.04 | Voldenet | Oh, I hope it's not the case |
| 20:13.10 | jhutchins | UUSSEERR: does lspci see anything that's unidentified. |
| 20:13.14 | Voldenet | but some laptops don't accept some wifi cards :D |
| 20:13.16 | jhutchins | ? |
| 20:13.35 | UUSSEERR | It is the same card as original |
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| 20:14.06 | somiaj | hotplug pci card in a laptop? I don't think pci is nesicarally the bus those will use, trying to recall their names. |
| 20:14.17 | jhutchins | It's most likely a hardware problem then. |
| 20:14.44 | jhutchins | UUSSEERR: If the driver sees the other card, it should see the new one too. |
| 20:14.56 | UUSSEERR | there are no unidentified cards |
| 20:15.00 | Voldenet | Maybe, check if you don't have some bios/firmware settings for this |
| 20:15.43 | jhutchins | UUSSEERR: Either the BIOS is disabling it, or that card can't have two instances, or the new card is bad. I would try re-seating it. |
| 20:15.45 | debian2017 | ok. I'll check |
| 20:15.58 | Voldenet | you could check if there's anything 'critical' in dmesg, but that's a long shot |
| 20:16.06 | debian2017 | I will be back later |
| 20:16.13 | jhutchins | debian2017: Good luck. |
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| 20:16.59 | tw | I'm going to guess wildly that it isn't exactly the same PCI device ID that the bios is expecting in the whitelist. |
| 20:17.09 | tw | unless it's actually a hw problem. |
| 20:17.36 | jhutchins | tw: lspci would show an unidentified ID in that case. |
| 20:17.52 | tw | Mine just disables the port. |
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| 20:18.06 | Voldenet | all up to firmware |
| 20:18.06 | missmbob | i'd expect it to disable |
| 20:18.20 | Voldenet | there's more than one way to do it :P |
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| 20:18.36 | UUSSEERR | I will reset the card and doublecheck bios standby |
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| 20:19.02 | UUSSEERR | dmesg clean as usual btw |
| 20:19.26 | Voldenet | as expected |
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| 20:26.35 | jhutchins | The chances of an aftermarket laptop PCI card being bad are pretty high. |
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| 20:33.33 | UUSSEERR | reset card while powered down and checked bios.no dive |
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| 20:33.47 | UUSSEERR | dice* |
| 20:34.03 | UUSSEERR | card isn't recognized |
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| 20:36.34 | UUSSEERR | installed lshw and it doesn't see it either |
| 20:36.53 | johnkeates | it's probably burnt |
| 20:36.57 | johnkeates | bury it with dignity |
| 20:37.31 | UUSSEERR | nooooooooooo!!!! It was a gift! |
| 20:37.49 | tomreyn | bury it with double dignity then |
| 20:38.09 | UUSSEERR | should |
| 20:38.19 | tw | Return it, say it didn't work. |
| 20:38.29 | UUSSEERR | should i try switching the cards slots |
| 20:38.55 | tw | is this not a laptop? There are other card slots it fits in? |
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| 20:40.44 | UUSSEERR | maybe it is the whitelist im using a pci express slot for the new card and the original card is still installed |
| 20:41.25 | UUSSEERR | they are the same model but idk |
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| 20:52.23 | UUSSEERR | ok so is there a possibility that it is a grouping issue? |
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| 20:54.41 | linuxthefish | hey, does anyone know where vinagre stores saved passwords? even after removing it with --purge and deleting everything with vinagre in the name it still remembers the password! |
| 20:54.50 | linuxthefish | or is there like a global password database on linux? |
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| 20:56.06 | UUSSEERR | is it in shadow or handled by another password password manager? |
| 20:56.08 | Papillon | typically operating systems have what's called a "keyring" |
| 20:56.16 | Papillon | it might be stored there |
| 20:56.24 | UUSSEERR | thank you yes "keyring" |
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| 20:57.17 | UUSSEERR | I have done some research and it seems people have had grouping issues with gpu's on pcie |
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| 20:58.20 | UUSSEERR | should I try to switch the cards slots? |
| 20:58.26 | TomTomTo1 | It's using the gnome keyring. you can manage it using seahorse. |
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| 21:01.46 | UUSSEERR | will hotplugging fry it? |
| 21:03.13 | linuxthefish | ah thanks so much TomTomTo1! |
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| 21:04.17 | linuxthefish | i did a search for "apt-cache search keyring" and vinagre was listed in there even though it doesn't have the word keyring in the package description O.o |
| 21:04.30 | linuxthefish | how did you find out? it's not in the help manual either! |
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| 21:05.17 | jelly | UUSSEERR: laptops typically do not have pci express in that format exposed. Are you talking about an ExpressCard slot? |
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| 21:06.11 | TomTomTo1 | linuxthefish: it's in the long package description. apt-cache show vinagre |
| 21:06.46 | UUSSEERR | no I have an expresscard slot a minicard slot (where the original card lives) and a full size slot where I hadto use a halfmini to full size bracket |
| 21:07.18 | jelly | UUSSEERR, show a picture of those slots. |
| 21:07.32 | linuxthefish | ah i'm not used to apt, thanks so much once again :D |
| 21:08.00 | UUSSEERR | lenovo t430s I do not have photo implements |
| 21:08.06 | jelly | I have no idea what you're talking about, is it ExpressCard, or Mini PCIe or what |
| 21:08.16 | linuxthefish | pcmcia is another laptop card slot |
| 21:08.58 | `Kevin | this? http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/t-series/t430/#tab-tech_specs |
| 21:09.04 | jelly | UUSSEERR, here's a hint: if you had to unscrew something to get access to it, it's probably not hotpluggable |
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| 21:09.27 | rgb-one | yo |
| 21:09.36 | rgb-one | ah, wrong place |
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| 21:09.40 | jelly | UUSSEERR, and here's another hint: Lenovo are bastards and have BIOS whitelists of hardware that will work in Mini PCIe slots. |
| 21:10.09 | jelly | UUSSEERR, you put it anything else, it does not work |
| 21:11.01 | Papillon | tbf they inherited those from big blue iirc |
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| 21:11.21 | jelly | UUSSEERR, can you point out the slot(s) you're talking about in the hardware maintenance manual for your model? |
| 21:11.35 | jelly | still has no idea |
| 21:11.41 | UUSSEERR | I have an external expresscard slot I have a mini pcie slot with the original nic in the bay with the ram and full size pcie slot with a mini bracket. It is similar to the 430 but smaller. I chose the same model number to avoid whitelist. |
| 21:11.51 | `Kevin | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:11.54 | `Kevin | which has pcie |
| 21:12.17 | Papillon | I think express card has usb too |
| 21:13.26 | jelly | not going to suggest UUSSEERR anything is hotpluggable or not before being 100% sure what they're talking about |
| 21:14.16 | UUSSEERR | http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/t-series/t430s/#tab-tech_specs |
| 21:14.29 | `Kevin | from what i see it is not hot pluggable |
| 21:14.33 | jelly | in particular, wtf is "full size pcie slot with a mini bracket" |
| 21:14.47 | `Kevin | Replacing a PCI Express Mini Card with two connectors |
| 21:14.48 | `Kevin | 1. Turn off the computer; t |
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| 21:15.50 | UUSSEERR | full size pcie slot is too long for 32 mm. bracket mounts it |
| 21:15.58 | jelly | UUSSEERR, here: https://download.lenovo.com/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/t430s_t430si_hmm_en_0b48538_01.pdf point out which slot you wish to hotplug stuff in/out |
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| 21:16.47 | jelly | UUSSEERR, "pcie slot" is what desktops and servers have. Do you mean a 54mm ExpressCard slot? |
| 21:16.54 | tw | UUSSEERR: http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/t430-second-pcie-slot.685107/#post-8805529 |
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| 21:17.04 | tw | no pcie pins. |
| 21:17.45 | UUSSEERR | I dont want to hotplug I just want debian to see my other card. If hotplugging helps then yes |
| 21:17.50 | jelly | if it's 34mm ExpressCard those (usually?) only have usb support |
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| 21:20.06 | jelly | tw: that link talks about mini pcie slots |
| 21:20.42 | UUSSEERR | https://www.amazon.com/Advanced-N-6205Anhmw-INTEL-Pci-e-Wireless/dp/B01EDVKAV0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1490304012&sr=8-1&keywords=intel+6205 is what i installed |
| 21:20.59 | jelly | tw, and those are definitely not hotpluggable |
| 21:21.15 | tw | Is that not what he's using? he's adding a 2nd wifi board to a t430s in a 2nd slot (apparently not designed for it). |
| 21:21.30 | jelly | UUSSEERR, so you're actually talking about mini pcie slots. |
| 21:21.30 | tw | No, they're not. |
| 21:21.34 | UUSSEERR | https://www.amazon.com/Height-Express-PCI-E-Bracket-Adapter/dp/B007VXJ9IS/ref=pd_sim_147_1?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B007VXJ9IS&pd_rd_r=4VGVC6AJD54NN64EYHZJ&pd_rd_w=pJlAS&pd_rd_wg=AmRbg&psc=1&refRID=4VGVC6AJD54NN64EYHZJ is the bracket |
| 21:22.01 | UUSSEERR | yes mini pcie slots |
| 21:22.20 | jelly | then tw's link has the answer: hardware does not support it |
| 21:22.42 | UUSSEERR | it can support a dang egpu but not an extra nic? |
| 21:22.59 | jelly | no actual mini pcie card will work, only usb-based and mSATA |
| 21:24.09 | jelly | ##ibmthinkpad would probably be a better channel to ask about hw compatibility on thinkpads |
| 21:25.05 | tw | And it's probably a good thing you couldn't find it too, because powering up the radio FEs without antenna loads would probably burn them out. |
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| 21:25.32 | UUSSEERR | thank you all i guess I will look into wwancards you guys are great thanks. I have antennas set up too. |
| 21:25.42 | tw | Okay, that's good. |
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| 21:59.50 | UUSSEERR | thanks all bye |
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| 22:05.43 | psychoticwarrior | juggla |
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| 22:12.10 | angular_mike_ | How to set up a venv that uses python3(newest) on debian? |
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| 22:22.45 | jhutchins | I wonder why he wants two WiFi cards anyway? |
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| 22:22.52 | angular_mike_ | I dont |
| 22:23.07 | theraspberry | people that want to do mitm? |
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| 22:24.44 | nkuttler | plenty of uses for two cards |
| 22:25.02 | angular_mike_ | http://pastebin.com/DPhMyF7e |
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| 22:25.05 | angular_mike_ | Debian |
| 22:25.06 | angular_mike_ | pls |
| 22:25.21 | missmbob | angular_mike_: python3 -m venv /path |
| 22:25.49 | angular_mike_ | no module named venv |
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| 22:26.08 | angular_mike_ | and apt-get is unable to locate package venv |
| 22:26.16 | missmbob | python3-virtualenv |
| 22:27.38 | angular_mike_ | E: Unable to locate package python3-virtualenv |
| 22:27.51 | missmbob | ,v python3-virtualenv |
| 22:27.52 | judd | Package: python3-virtualenv on amd64 -- jessie: 1.11.6+ds-1; stretch: 15.1.0+ds-1; sid: 15.1.0+ds-1 |
| 22:28.23 | angular_mike_ | judd: update |
| 22:28.26 | theraspberry | i've done python3 venv's on debian stretch.. |
| 22:28.46 | missmbob | p.d.o says it exists as well |
| 22:28.49 | angular_mike_ | is it some exotic repo? |
| 22:28.59 | TomTomTosch | no |
| 22:29.08 | angular_mike_ | is stretch your lingo? |
| 22:29.11 | themill | !local python |
| 22:29.12 | dpkg | An installation of python in /usr/local/bin/ is a great way of breaking a great many tools in Debian, which assume running "python" runs the Debian python with the installed python modules. Removing /usr/local/bin/python* should be enough to fix the problem; if you really need your own local version of system tools like python (and perl, and ...) make sure they are not on $PATH when you are performing upgrades. Ask me about <virtualenv> |
| 22:29.38 | angular_mike_ | dpkg: debian, pls |
| 22:29.39 | dpkg | angular_mike_: wish i knew |
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| 22:30.31 | theraspberry | I don't understand why you came in here then. |
| 22:30.34 | TomTomTosch | angular_mike_: check that you didn't make a typo. paste the output of apt-cache policy to paste.debian.net if you still can't install the package. |
| 22:30.34 | angular_mike_ | do I need some source? |
| 22:31.19 | nevrou | Hey. Does anyone here have experience using ISPmanager web client? |
| 22:31.27 | angular_mike_ | https://packages.debian.org/jessie/python/python3-virtualenv |
| 22:31.29 | theraspberry | just to complain about "debian, pls" like you come from a supirior distro. |
| 22:31.31 | angular_mike_ | how do you add this repository? |
| 22:31.46 | theraspberry | angular_mike_: what version of debian have you got? |
| 22:31.52 | angular_mike_ | theraspberry: what do you want me to say? |
| 22:32.08 | theraspberry | angular_mike_: that is a standard package in jessie debian or debian 8. |
| 22:32.22 | theraspberry | you'll be able to install it with apt. |
| 22:32.36 | angular_mike_ | theraspberry: 7.8 |
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| 22:32.41 | theraspberry | well... |
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| 22:32.57 | themill | angular_mike_: you need to upgrade to a supported release |
| 22:33.45 | theraspberry | wheezy or debian 7.x does not have a python3 virtualenv package. |
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| 22:39.20 | angular_mike_ | ok, I think I'm starting to remember |
| 22:39.30 | angular_mike_ | sorry, I've just been losing a lot of blood for the past week |
| 22:41.25 | Papillon | where's the last place you saw it? |
| 22:42.22 | angular_mike_ | ? |
| 22:42.35 | theraspberry | lol |
| 22:42.37 | Papillon | bad joke about losing blood |
| 22:42.44 | angular_mike_ | is true |
| 22:42.50 | angular_mike_ | oh |
| 22:43.02 | angular_mike_ | no, is not about family, I lost them long time ago |
| 22:43.06 | angular_mike_ | is literal blood |
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| 22:43.41 | Papillon | the joke was that "losing" blood is an expression, it's not literal, but the joke was taking the expression "losing" blood literally |
| 22:45.09 | angular_mike_ | oh |
| 22:45.21 | angular_mike_ | I last saw it on the carpet |
| 22:45.35 | TomTomTosch | ... |
| 22:45.36 | angular_mike_ | I had to clean it out quickly before it dries up |
| 22:45.42 | theraspberry | what |
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| 22:46.00 | angular_mike_ | when you get cut and blled |
| 22:46.04 | angular_mike_ | but notice later |
| 22:46.11 | theraspberry | is this #debian or #archlinux? |
| 22:46.11 | angular_mike_ | you need to clean up whole appartment |
| 22:46.13 | angular_mike_ | which sucks |
| 22:46.20 | angular_mike_ | themill: har har |
| 22:46.27 | angular_mike_ | I got that reference |
| 22:46.30 | Papillon | debian |
| 22:46.47 | cnnx | in the top command, which reading is the real amount of ram currently available in real time? is it the "KiB Mem free" or "avail Mem" ? |
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| 22:50.32 | Somelauw | Is it better to download Debian Jessie and download all updates or to download a Stretch image? |
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| 22:51.15 | angular_mike_ | cnnx: `free -m` |
| 22:51.25 | angular_mike_ | what is this stretch? |
| 22:51.38 | angular_mike_ | when I see debians talking I feel like I'm in ghetto |
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| 22:51.58 | Papillon | debian 8? |
| 22:51.59 | Somelauw | it's the new underground version |
| 22:52.24 | missmbob | !stretch |
| 22:52.24 | dpkg | The release following Debian 8 "Jessie" is codenamed "Stretch" (the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3) and will be Debian 9: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/11/msg00005.html. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch . Stretch is frozen. See <stretch freeze> <freeze> <slushy> |
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| 22:52.30 | cnnx | angular_mike_: angular_mike_ ok that matches kib mem free from top |
| 22:52.35 | cnnx | so whats avail mem in top then? |
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| 22:53.11 | angular_mike_ | total mem - used mem + mem used for disc cache |
| 22:53.32 | cnnx | ok so avail mem is cache mem available |
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| 22:53.37 | SuperTramp83 | free -h |
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| 22:53.44 | angular_mike_ | it is emi available |
| 22:53.55 | angular_mike_ | becuase it is meant to be given to other applications when they need it |
| 22:53.58 | cnnx | so i just want to look at the "free" |
| 22:54.02 | cnnx | not "avail free" |
| 22:54.06 | cnnx | in both free -m and top |
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| 22:55.29 | angular_mike_ | ah, so memory is not getting freed from disc caching fast enough for you? |
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| 22:59.31 | angular_mike_ | ok, upgrading helped, thanks |
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| 23:25.02 | domovoy | hi |
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| 23:25.37 | domovoy | i installed debian from a debootstrap minbase, any idea in what package is the "file" command? |
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| 23:27.09 | missmbob | ,i file |
| 23:27.10 | judd | Package file (utils, standard) in jessie/amd64: Determines file type using "magic" numbers. Version: 1:5.22+15-2+deb8u3; Size: 59.0k; Installed: 76k; Homepage: http://www.darwinsys.com/file/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/file |
| 23:27.32 | domovoy | ho, simple as that, thanks |
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| 23:45.58 | angular_mike_ | according to this, the latest available version of postgresql for debian is 9.4, right? |
| 23:45.59 | angular_mike_ | https://packages.debian.org/jessie/postgresql |
| 23:46.24 | angular_mike_ | I've upgraded debian to 8.7 but after trying to upgrade postgresql it's still 9.1 |
| 23:46.39 | angular_mike_ | I want to get the UPSERT working |
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| 23:50.31 | angular_mike_ | oh shit |
| 23:50.36 | angular_mike_ | I tried to force install 9.4 |
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| 23:50.55 | angular_mike_ | and now when I do anything with service postgresql, it controls both 9.1 and 9.4 |
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| 23:55.55 | angular_mike_ | hm, might be intentional http://blog.endpoint.com/2012/08/using-different-postgresql-versions-at.html |
| 23:56.20 | bazhang | angular_mike_, are you /amsg this to multiple channels |
| 23:56.36 | angular_mike_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:56.48 | bazhang | crossposting all at once |
| 23:56.53 | angular_mike_ | not at once |
| 23:57.05 | angular_mike_ | I gave it time here but channel was dead |
| 23:57.13 | bazhang | the bots might catch that, just a fyi |
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| 23:57.54 | angular_mike_ | do they do fuzzy matching? |
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| 23:59.26 | angular_mike_ | anyway, how do I get my UPSERT? |
| 23:59.53 | angular_mike_ | I want it |