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| 00:04.41 | gry | after installing squirrelmai and running the conf.pl script, a user still gets `ERROR: Config file ' . '"config/config.php" not found. You need to ' . 'configure SquirrelMail before you can use it.` error at http://foo/squirrelmail, I'm a bit puzzled as to why that could be. tried on my own debian machine and that works ok |
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| 00:06.08 | angular_mike_ | perl...php |
| 00:06.18 | angular_mike_ | figures |
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| 00:07.50 | somiaj | gry: sounds like config/config.php not found, so maybe the script didn't create it correctly. Unsure other than to start looking there |
| 00:08.23 | gry | somiaj: i can even open http://foo/squirrelmail/config/config.php in browser and it exists, it's odd |
| 00:09.13 | somiaj | gry: then maybe a typo in the code that it isn't looking for the config file in the right spot, the ' . '"config/config.php" seems weird |
| 00:09.46 | gry | works ok on my server though.. it's perhaps a webserver issue but i can't figure out why, we're even using the same debian version and stuff |
| 00:09.57 | somiaj | but that seems odd too, but if the file it wants exists and has correct permsisions. I'm surprised it doesn't work. |
| 00:10.53 | somiaj | it isn't just some permissions issue? Yes it does seem odd, the webserver shoudln't matter with php, as that would be the script at that point I would imangine. Same version of php the only difference is the webserver actually beign used? |
| 00:12.27 | gry | we're even using the same webserver so i'll suggest to check apache error log as a next step |
| 00:12.30 | somiaj | I can't see what the issue is, but maybe talking about it can help. |
| 00:12.57 | somiaj | ,v squirrelmail |
| 00:12.58 | judd | Package: squirrelmail on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:1.4.23~svn20120406-2; jessie: 2:1.4.23~svn20120406-2 |
| 00:13.21 | somiaj | gry: could it be something silly that one of the servers is using something from jessie-backports? |
| 00:13.50 | somiaj | assuming jessie in both cases, but seems the squirrelmail package hasn't changed since wheezy |
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| 00:42.53 | chomwitt | to display control info of a debian package must i use as argument a deb fole ? |
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| 00:43.54 | chomwitt | s/fole/file |
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| 00:44.04 | somiaj | chomwitt: what info do you want? apt-cache show packagename |
| 00:44.23 | chomwitt | somiaj: let me check .. |
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| 00:45.15 | chomwitt | somiaj: thanks! |
| 00:45.38 | chomwitt | i wanted to see dependencies etc . |
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| 01:31.46 | user7915 | Haá algum brasileiro aqui? |
| 01:31.50 | missmbob | !br |
| 01:31.50 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 02:29.00 | plasmoduck | hey guys, just doing my first install on an SSD |
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| 03:15.42 | jushur | plasmoduck: what filesystem you using on it? |
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| 05:06.45 | xormor | is it OK for me to still use the i386 32-bit Debian? I also have a 64-bit machine but prefer this older one. |
| 05:07.09 | xormor | when will the support end for 32-bit machines, for debian? when debian 9 comes out, or what? |
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| 05:09.35 | OtakuSenpai | xormor: its perfectly fine if you choose so |
| 05:09.55 | OtakuSenpai | as for support,let the debian maintainers inform you |
| 05:09.59 | xormor | OtakuSenpai, yes |
| 05:13.07 | xormor | OtakuSenpai, this machine is a "Pentium 4", and the 64-bit machine is an "intel Core i3". |
| 05:13.50 | OtakuSenpai | xormor: if the Pentium 4 doesnt take too much power,then you can use it as a small server for example |
| 05:14.02 | OtakuSenpai | consume* |
| 05:14.13 | xormor | OtakuSenpai, i686 is supported, as the help page said that other Pentiums are supported as well, but not the 80386 and 80486 since their support was dropped earlier (in "sarge" 3.? and some other version, 6). |
| 05:14.23 | xormor | OtakuSenpai, yes |
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| 05:35.06 | OtakuSenpai | can anyone name some good strategy games for debian? |
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| 05:35.47 | abff | https://packages.debian.org/sid/games-strategy |
| 05:36.19 | OtakuSenpai | thnx |
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| 06:01.37 | OtakuSenpai | damn |
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| 06:55.07 | steiman | Hi. I've just installed debian in virtualbox and booted up. Gives me a blank screen? |
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| 06:58.36 | julius_ | hi |
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| 06:58.49 | steiman | Hi |
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| 06:59.13 | steiman | How's it going? |
| 07:00.07 | julius_ | just installed a new network card, debian loads the driver: 3c59x (haven checked the exact model, but its the only 3com in there) eth0 already exists - its the first card. but running ifconfig eth1 x.x.x.x gives me: SIOCSIFADDR: No such device |
| 07:00.19 | julius_ | sunny :) |
| 07:00.48 | julius_ | ifconfig also only shows one network adapter |
| 07:00.50 | steiman | I've just installed debian in virtualbox and booted up. Gives me a blank screen? Never used Linux before |
| 07:01.40 | julius_ | steiman, did you install jessie (stable) ? |
| 07:02.47 | steiman | I installed the bare minimum of everything from yakkety? |
| 07:03.51 | julius_ | what is yakkety? |
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| 07:04.16 | julius_ | did you download a .iso image? |
| 07:05.01 | somiaj | julius_: ifconfig -a (to list all devices) or ip addr |
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| 07:05.43 | julius_ | somiaj, doesnt change the output |
| 07:06.23 | julius_ | yesterday i thought the realtek nic from 2003 died....but today im thinking maybe its the pci slot |
| 07:06.24 | steiman | I downloaded a .iso with Jessie in the readme |
| 07:06.58 | somiaj | julius_: what does dmesg say about the output? |
| 07:06.58 | julius_ | good, never seen virtualbox fail to boot with a jessie .iso or install from it |
| 07:07.06 | somiaj | julius_: I mean about the card? |
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| 07:08.25 | julius_ | somiaj, dmesg looked fine...now looking a bit further up it says: 3c59x: probe of 0000:04:01.0 failed with error -22 |
| 07:08.34 | julius_ | google says nothing about that, no hits |
| 07:08.51 | julius_ | steiman, did you do a "default" install or did you get crazy creative= |
| 07:08.52 | somiaj | I would look around there to see if you can get more info on that error |
| 07:09.38 | steiman | Default? I believe? Literally just hit next as fast as I could ;D |
| 07:11.15 | julius_ | steiman, sounds like default |
| 07:11.36 | steiman | Trying again (guess I like that about Vbox) |
| 07:11.39 | somiaj | steiman: yakkety? Isn't that ubuntu, not debian? |
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| 07:11.48 | julius_ | somiaj, youre right..there are 2 more lines. one is : *** EEPROM MAC address is invalid. and that shows up a fedora bug report from the end of 2006 |
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| 07:11.59 | somiaj | steiman: or is that your host? Maybe I missed what the issue was. |
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| 07:12.21 | julius_ | they say that hopefully the patch will be accepted upstream |
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| 07:13.41 | steiman | Hmm. I dunno why. I thought it was debian? Definitely installing debian :D |
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| 07:16.00 | steiman | The install image is "install Debian GNU/Linux" |
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| 07:20.23 | pragomer_1 | whereis /etc/rc.local in stretch? |
| 07:20.47 | steiman | Hmmm. My virtual box seems to be frozen in its installation tracks :/ |
| 07:20.50 | plasmoduck | <plasmoduck> ive just installed nvidia-driver |
| 07:20.50 | plasmoduck | <plasmoduck> and then xserver-xorg |
| 07:20.50 | plasmoduck | <plasmoduck> andrebooted |
| 07:20.50 | plasmoduck | <plasmoduck> and the system boots to a cirtan point then the screen is just black |
| 07:20.50 | plasmoduck | <plasmoduck> so I selected the previous kernel version and same thing |
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| 07:21.18 | plasmoduck | should I do a reinstall? |
| 07:21.22 | steiman | Try not to flppd |
| 07:21.29 | steiman | *flood |
| 07:21.42 | plasmoduck | sorry |
| 07:23.23 | steiman | Not sure if I should restart machine partway through install? Is that a bad move? |
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| 07:24.25 | julius_ | steiman, YES |
| 07:24.33 | julius_ | steiman, do it again |
| 07:24.51 | steiman | Lol. Ok |
| 07:25.04 | steiman | Trying that now. :D |
| 07:25.10 | julius_ | unpredictable behavior... |
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| 07:25.45 | plasmoduck | ? |
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| 07:26.24 | julius_ | plasmoduck, sorry nvidia is out of my league |
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| 07:26.37 | steiman | Who has unpredictable behaviour? Lol |
| 07:26.55 | somiaj | pragomer_1: it should be there, you may ahve to enable the systemd service for that, forget if it is enabled by default or not |
| 07:27.53 | julius_ | just found a workaround for my 3com driver problem, one should: 2. Run /sbin/lspci and identify the PCI device of the 3Com chip (e.g., "00:03.0"). yeah ok....its 04:01.0 and than: . Run /usr/sbin/pci-config and identify the corresponding device# (e.g., #5). i dont see how step2 gives me data to identify the card in step 3? |
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| 07:28.18 | pragomer_1 | somiaj: so should it be default to have systemd enabled or is there an equivalent to rc.local in newer versions of debian? |
| 07:28.19 | julius_ | the pci-config command is in the package nictools-pci |
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| 07:28.51 | somiaj | pragomer_1: systemctl status rc.local -- looks enabled here |
| 07:28.58 | julius_ | pragomer_1, in debian 9 / testing its still there |
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| 07:34.24 | steiman | (julius_) you said you installed driver for 3C59x? I found a 592, a 595, a 597 and a 5x9b on list.driverguide.com/list/Linux/company2/ if any of that helps you? |
| 07:34.59 | julius_ | steiman, yes thanks...debian did load that module by itself so im guessing its right |
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| 07:35.48 | steiman | Hmmm.... I had an acer that screwed up the drivers it loaded by default. That was fun to work out :/ |
| 07:36.59 | steiman | Soo.... Software I need to install on my virtualbox? I honestly just want to run one game and try to get used to Linux a bit. So need more than a blank screen on boot ;P |
| 07:37.52 | julius_ | a default jessie install should always work on virtualbox |
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| 07:38.12 | julius_ | since it doesnt need to recognize your real hardware but what vbox presents to debian |
| 07:38.26 | steiman | So no need to install GNOME, Xfce, KDE etc? |
| 07:38.33 | julius_ | steiman, sure |
| 07:38.38 | julius_ | you want a desktop environment |
| 07:38.56 | steiman | Ok. Anything else? |
| 07:39.16 | julius_ | you can install that later |
| 07:39.19 | julius_ | anything later |
| 07:39.37 | julius_ | with gnome as a desktop env you can comfortable get used to linux |
| 07:39.54 | steiman | Ok. I left the desktop, print and system utilities selected and we move on |
| 07:40.31 | steiman | Does gnome resemble a windows/mac interface? |
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| 07:40.51 | julius_ | pretty much |
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| 07:41.01 | julius_ | you can google that before |
| 07:41.09 | steiman | I only wonder because I read somewhere that Linux default is a text based interface |
| 07:41.22 | julius_ | btw installing it in vbox as a beginner is a smart move |
| 07:41.35 | julius_ | well, thats a awkward statement |
| 07:41.42 | julius_ | depends on what you want it todo |
| 07:42.00 | julius_ | on a server it doesnt need gnome....not like a windows server |
| 07:42.10 | julius_ | on a desktop you want gnome |
| 07:42.42 | julius_ | ok, im out for now...cu guys |
| 07:43.02 | pingfloyd | whatever happened to epdfview? |
| 07:43.09 | steiman | Ahhk. I literally want to try it out from the familiar place if windows and try running a game |
| 07:43.22 | steiman | Ty julius. Cya next time |
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| 08:01.18 | pragomer_1 | thats state of my rc.local: |
| 08:01.20 | pragomer_1 | http://pastebin.com/5619beeV |
| 08:02.08 | pragomer_1 | so that means loaded but inactive, right? |
| 08:03.53 | maskd | for some reason dhclient isn't setting the gateway when the network is brought up at boot, although running dhclient manually or restarting NetworkManager works. does anyone know where I should look into to debug this? |
| 08:04.57 | plasmoduck | how do I startx? |
| 08:05.06 | plasmoduck | Ive installed mate and xserver-xorg |
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| 08:13.36 | dbrgn | hello. how can I create a coredump for a segfaulting service on debian 8? |
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| 08:14.32 | afsto | Hello, I am running debian jessie on arm. How could I add mirrors in order to use unstable releases? |
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| 08:17.39 | yang | afsto: you could edit /etc/apt/sources.list and replace "jessie" with "stretch" (which is testing release) then run "apt-get update" and "apt-get full-upgrade" |
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| 08:18.22 | afsto | Thanks yang! |
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| 08:18.31 | yang | this is if you want to migrate your system to the testing distribution |
| 08:18.41 | alakx | Hello everyone. How can i limit sudo users for becoming root while allowing then still do su to any other user? |
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| 08:18.59 | afsto | Yes. |
| 08:19.10 | yang | when you have done that and rebooted, you can proceed to replace "stretch" with "sid". Make sure before you proceed that you have the backup of everything on HDD, if it fails to upgrade |
| 08:19.47 | afsto | I will take care of it. Thank you again! |
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| 08:19.56 | yang | afsto: good luck |
| 08:20.10 | yang | you can also use "aptitude" instead of "apt-get" if you like |
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| 08:20.25 | afsto | I see. |
| 08:21.38 | yang | afsto: to refer to original documentation, I can find you the infos , hold on |
| 08:22.29 | afsto | Ok, it is so kind of you. |
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| 08:23.15 | yang | https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-upgrade-debian-8-jessie-to-debian-9-stretch |
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| 08:23.55 | afsto | I will read it carefully. |
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| 08:25.05 | yang | dbrgn: I think you should find some instructions about how it is being done with program "lsof" |
| 08:25.47 | yang | afsto: actually, i just read up you were using arm |
| 08:25.54 | shockingbehavur | hi, needing to ask...i need more help with network ideas or how to get a home network completed |
| 08:26.27 | yang | afsto: ARM might have some specific ARM custom kernels it would be better if you refer to #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net for specific questions, not to break the system etc. |
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| 08:27.07 | yang | afsto: it depents if your ARM runs u-boot etc. |
| 08:27.29 | afsto | Ok, thank you for you general help! |
| 08:27.56 | shockingbehavur | im running debian jessie |
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| 08:28.24 | yang | shockingbehavur: what do you mean "network completed" ? |
| 08:28.36 | afsto | Do you use pppoe or dhcp etc |
| 08:28.45 | yang | shockingbehavur: whatr do you want to achieve ? |
| 08:29.55 | shockingbehavur | yang... i mean ive only got remote access with my cellphone ti desktop via ssh |
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| 08:30.22 | dbrgn | yang: how so? |
| 08:30.31 | yang | shockingbehavur: do you want to connect to another computer at home, from your home PC/laptop ? |
| 08:30.54 | shockingbehavur | i want to achieve alot than just ssh into a terminal |
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| 08:31.47 | yang | shockingbehavur: I don't really understand |
| 08:32.39 | shockingbehavur | i have computer network all in one room and wouldnt mind what extras i guess |
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| 08:33.58 | yang | dbrgn: maybe this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7732983/core-dump-file-is-not-generated |
| 08:34.20 | shockingbehavur | i have one desktop and two cellphones all connected to only the internet not much is happening yang |
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| 08:36.06 | yang | dbrgn: or this https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Core_dump |
| 08:36.21 | shockingbehavur | not much connected while together |
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| 08:37.43 | yang | shockingbehavur: in general if you want to apply network changes, you need to probably do that on your router |
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| 08:38.29 | yang | unless your router is also a debian machine |
| 08:38.58 | yang | shockingbehavur: try to also ask in channel ##networking |
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| 08:39.44 | shockingbehavur | thanks yang ill move away to this now |
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| 08:43.14 | dbrgn | yang: debian 8 doesn't have coredumpctl, that's why I'm asking. |
| 08:43.37 | dbrgn | yang: ulimit is set and working directory (/tmp) is writable. |
| 08:44.20 | yang | dbrgn: ok I don't know then |
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| 08:51.56 | suexec | I have a server that every 5/10 minutes peaks in CPU usage. I have been trying to watch it, but been unable to spot the culprit. I.e just now the load average reported by top jolted to 15.7, but there were no processes consuming neither memory nor cpu according to the same list. What's the best way of tracking down this ? |
| 08:53.16 | suexec | Or any suggestions to further steps I can take.. doesn't have to be the best one ;) |
| 08:53.28 | babilen | Could be IO, watch "vmstat 1" and "iotop" |
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| 08:55.21 | suexec | Anything inparticular I should/could look for using vmstat 1? |
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| 08:57.33 | babilen | suexec: wa in particular |
| 08:58.48 | suexec | babilen, I will watch that and wait for next peak. In the case this spikes .. anything I could do to prevent this situation ? |
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| 08:58.53 | babilen | Take a look at its manpage - it explains the various fields. |
| 08:59.07 | babilen | Are you running iotop also? |
| 08:59.07 | suexec | babilen, thank you. I found the explanations online :) |
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| 08:59.18 | suexec | Machine doesn't have internet access or iotop installed |
| 08:59.45 | babilen | No, this is more of a general approach in that it *might* allow you to figure out which part of the system is causing the load |
| 08:59.45 | suexec | I guess iotop would show me what process is hogging the io ? |
| 09:00.08 | babilen | Yeah, it's much like top, but lists processes in order of write/reads |
| 09:01.01 | suexec | OK, I see a suddent jolt up to 50% wa for a period of time .. then it drops down again |
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| 09:04.45 | babilen | So, something is performing quite a bit of IO then |
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| 09:06.42 | suexec | babilen, the machine is virtual. Would it remedy the problem assigning more ram/cpu ? |
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| 09:08.10 | babilen | suexec: Not necessarily - You want to figure out which process is writing or reading data (to disk/...) and scale that |
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| 09:09.23 | suexec | babilen, machine is MTA and DNS. Pretty sure it's postfix that's hogging. I installed iotop and I see a lot of postfix' "cleanup" processes. Do you think I need to increase the amount of children allowed to postfix ? |
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| 09:12.39 | GermanyRulesAll | ICH SPRECHE DEUTSCH!!!!! |
| 09:13.03 | xormor | damn, K-Lined |
| 09:13.26 | xormor | ich kann auch spreche ein bisschen deutsch darum dass das habe ich es im schule gelernt. |
| 09:13.33 | babilen | suexec: cleanup would write the messages. You could take a look at qshape for debugging postfix performance bottlenecks |
| 09:14.41 | babilen | suexec: http://www.postfix.org/QSHAPE_README.html |
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| 09:18.48 | Xatenev | Hi |
| 09:18.58 | Xatenev | I am trying to use less to view a .tar.gz file |
| 09:19.12 | Xatenev | but its showing encoded text only - is less not capable of doing that @ debian yet? |
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| 09:22.43 | petn-randall | Xatenev: try 'zless file.tar.gz'. |
| 09:23.10 | Xatenev | petn-randall: that shows somethign |
| 09:23.15 | Xatenev | its really broken though :p |
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| 09:23.55 | seb_ | Hi all, what's the right channel to discuss a debian networking problem? I am having trouble with udev persistent network rules (which are being ignored) |
| 09:23.58 | Xatenev | Whatever :) |
| 09:24.19 | petn-randall | Xatenev: That is your tar file. A tar is a collection of files, so I'm not sure what you exactly expect. |
| 09:24.35 | Xatenev | petn-randall: I thought it maybe shows me the files that are included in a good list |
| 09:24.43 | Xatenev | petn-randall: as when i do vim my.tar for example. |
| 09:24.47 | Xatenev | But maybe that is not possible :) |
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| 09:25.01 | petn-randall | Xatenev: If you want to look at the contents, you can use 'tar' to inspect or extract it. |
| 09:25.28 | Xatenev | oh tar does that |
| 09:25.29 | Xatenev | ah |
| 09:25.31 | Xatenev | my bad |
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| 09:26.17 | Xatenev | petn-randall: Maybe you can answer me anothre question about curl? |
| 09:26.34 | Xatenev | I have a call like: cat myTestFile | curl -F 'clbin=<-' https://clbin.com |
| 09:26.44 | Xatenev | What is that =<- syntax - its not in the curl manual |
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| 09:29.10 | petn-randall | Xatenev: No idea, but maybe the channel knows. |
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| 09:48.18 | plasmoduck__ | how can I make network-manager-gnome manage ethernet connections? |
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| 09:51.14 | babilen | There is typically nothing you have to do for that -- Please note that it won't manage interfaces that are managed in /etc/network/intferfaces by default |
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| 10:07.18 | yossarianuk | hi - windering if anyone can help me... |
| 10:07.30 | yossarianuk | For PCI compliance I need to set a timeout for remote connections - I normally use TMOUT for servers, however we have desktops also - the issue is that on a desktop the TMOUT closes any open terminal (xterm, etc) which is terrible for desktop usage |
| 10:07.50 | yossarianuk | I cannot use the SSH 'ClientAliveInterval' setting as clients are sending packets so the setting has no effect at all. |
| 10:08.14 | yossarianuk | is there a way of setting TMOUT per user, in a global file (readonly) |
| 10:08.22 | yossarianuk | i.e not ~/.bash_profile |
| 10:08.37 | jelly | how are you connecting to desktops remotely? |
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| 10:08.58 | Kiril | hello is there any way to extract .deb package i mean to vie the source code inside ? |
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| 10:09.25 | yossarianuk | jelly: we're not... thats the issue. - i.e its a local desktop, but sysadmins remote (via SSH) to admin it |
| 10:09.57 | yossarianuk | so really I want the TMOUT setting for local users to 0 and everyone else to 900.. |
| 10:10.09 | jelly | so you need to set timeout for ssh connections, not shells |
| 10:10.30 | yossarianuk | jelly: doesn;t work setting ClientAliveInterval |
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| 10:10.50 | yossarianuk | as the clients are set to send packets.. |
| 10:10.58 | yossarianuk | so doesn;t drop connection |
| 10:11.14 | fishsticks | Xatenev: you can use zless to view zipped files or zmore |
| 10:11.25 | jelly | yossarianuk: I'd look at pam_env and set an additional variable for ssh service only |
| 10:11.35 | Iridos | Kiril, .deb packages are binary packages |
| 10:11.35 | fishsticks | if the contents are text files |
| 10:11.47 | yossarianuk | jelly: ah - thats a really good idea ! |
| 10:11.49 | yossarianuk | cheers |
| 10:11.58 | yossarianuk | that's why I asked here..... |
| 10:12.10 | Kiril | Iridos i am aware of this. |
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| 10:12.18 | Kiril | May be with core file ;) |
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| 10:12.48 | Iridos | so phrase the question in a way that makes sense⦠|
| 10:13.19 | Iridos | you can unpack .deb packages, they're ar archives with tar files inside |
| 10:13.24 | jelly | yossarianuk: whether this will work, will that shell accept and use the predefined TMOUT value at all, is another thing |
| 10:13.57 | Iridos | but obviously you cannot get the source by unpacking them (except for scripts where source and program are the same) |
| 10:13.59 | jelly | Kiril: dpkg-deb has --extract and you give it a deb file and a directory to extract into |
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| 10:14.16 | yossarianuk | jellly: worth a try ! thanks |
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| 10:15.48 | BluesKaj | Hi folks |
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| 10:25.37 | pantato | if I want to end up having the very latest debian , which version should i install initially? |
| 10:25.54 | pantato | i'm grabbing 8.7 stable lxde right now |
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| 10:28.25 | pantato | nevermind, i found the guide |
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| 10:29.56 | babilen | pantato: Which is "the very latest debian" ? The current stable release? A development release such as testing/stretch? Unstable? |
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| 10:30.31 | pantato | babilen: SID is what I was asking about. I got it now, though. |
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| 10:32.01 | babilen | pantato: For that I'd probably grab the latest stretch installer and just add sid to sources |
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| 10:32.26 | babilen | dpkg: ssm |
| 10:32.26 | dpkg | «echo 'APT::Default-Release "stretch";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf», edit sources.list, copy your non-security stretch lines and change one set to sid, then apt-get update. apt-get -t sid install foo; to install foo from sid rather than stretch as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release: set Preferences->Distribution. See <jum caveat> and use this setup to track <stretch> after its release. |
| 10:33.06 | babilen | You could use ^^^ to keep it on stretch after the release (might be a little less bumpy in the first couple of weeks) |
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| 10:34.33 | pantato | babilen: thanks. Guide says to apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 10:34.38 | pantato | but i'm sure your method is just as viable |
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| 10:36.01 | bernhardr | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:36.01 | bernhardr | Now i would like to try to resize that space. But to make sure that i do not destroy the working server ssd drive, i would like to clone this boot drive to another disk (and boot from it) to see if i am able to resize the disk without problems. |
| 10:36.01 | bernhardr | So question is, can i Clone a 120 GB SSD drive with Debian server to 240 GB WD harddrive ? |
| 10:36.01 | bernhardr | If this is possible i would try to boot the cloned image on the 240 GB disk to see if i can resize the partitions with LVM |
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| 10:36.18 | pantato | would it be a disaster if i tried installing via usb stick in a usb 3.1 slot? |
| 10:36.25 | bernhardr | Or are there other suggestions ? |
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| 10:38.29 | babilen | pantato: At this point in the release cycle I'd just take it from stretch, but I'd hope that you don't run into too many problems during the upgrade from jessie |
| 10:40.39 | pantato | babilen: stretch? |
| 10:40.57 | pantato | looks like unetbootin is giving me the option to create an unstable stick off the bat |
| 10:41.04 | pantato | i also get the option for "testing" |
| 10:41.14 | pantato | is there a difference? or is it outdated? |
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| 10:42.27 | pantato | oh ok testing is between stable and unstable |
| 10:42.41 | petn-randall | Can anyone tell me how compatible SNTP is with NTP? Wikipedia says it uses "the same protocol", but the client doesn't track state (I'm guessing clock drift). I'm asking because I have a Dell PowerConnect switch that can only sync via SNTP. |
| 10:43.45 | Papillon | presumably sntp is just ntp in an ssl tunnel |
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| 10:44.10 | petn-randall | Papillon: The S stands for "simple". |
| 10:44.21 | Papillon | huh |
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| 10:44.27 | Papillon | confusing |
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| 10:46.06 | babilen | pantato: You really don't want to use unetbootin at all |
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| 10:47.08 | babilen | pantato: https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ -- download it and copy it to your stick with "cp /path/to/debian.iso /dev/sdX; sync" with /dev/sdX being your USB stick and something like /dev/sdc |
| 10:47.53 | BluesKaj | bernhardr, yes use dd to copy the source image/partition to the target partition, just make sure thet target partition is slightly larger than the source partition |
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| 10:48.48 | babilen | Or just use cp |
| 10:49.16 | bernhardr | BluesKaj so can i use it to clone the 120 gb ssd to a 240 wd harddisk? will it boor from the 240gb wd then ? |
| 10:49.48 | bernhardr | dd or cp |
| 10:49.55 | bernhardr | or meaby clonezilla ? |
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| 10:51.17 | bernhardr | i would just like to connect an extra hd to the mainboard and clone the ssd disk.. then remove the ssd disk (temporarily) and boot from the HD to see if i can resize the boot partiotion withou any problems |
| 10:51.22 | Aebian | if I want to run a specific cron-tab'ed script as a specific user then will this just do the job? /bin/su - stpuser -c |
| 10:51.32 | babilen | bernhardr: You'll have to resize the ... right |
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| 10:53.08 | BluesKaj | bernhardr, yes, but make sure you size the partitionon on the 240 to the same or slightly larger than the source partition. Recommend you do some reaerch aboutr dd first if you haven't used it before. |
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| 10:53.46 | bernhardr | babilen, yes i think i would need to resize rootfs (but are afraid that i destroy my ssd hd (server install).. |
| 10:54.31 | bernhardr | get this message, cannot copy extracted data for /dvb-usb/dvb-usb-af9015.ko' to '/lib/modules/3.2.0-4-686-pae/kernel/drivers/media/dvb/dvb-usb/dvb-usb-af9015.ko.dpkg-new': failed to write (No space left on device) |
| 10:55.55 | babilen | That sounds as if you are copying files rather than block devices |
| 10:55.59 | bernhardr | or might there be another way to clean up.. |
| 10:56.01 | bernhardr | rootfs 322M 265M 41M 87% / |
| 10:56.16 | bernhardr | cant write the new kernel |
| 10:56.46 | bernhardr | already tried apt-get autoclean |
| 10:57.01 | bernhardr | but size stays the same |
| 10:58.21 | babilen | "clean" |
| 10:58.30 | babilen | autoclean keeps installed packages |
| 10:59.22 | BluesKaj | bernhardr, don't make it too complicated , you aren't destroying your source partition using dd to another ssd or disk , it still exists, no need to experiment |
| 10:59.59 | BluesKaj | bernhardr, cp won't clone |
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| 11:03.38 | Iridos | cp will do the same thing as dd if you don't limit dd to stop before the end of the source file |
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| 11:05.15 | Iridos | 322M isn't much for a root partition ^^ |
| 11:05.20 | BluesKaj | Iridos, it won't, cp doesn't make the image bootable |
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| 11:05.35 | Iridos | neither does dd |
| 11:05.53 | BluesKaj | oh lord |
| 11:06.18 | Iridos | or⦠both do if you copy the whole disk, because it's just a flag saying if a partition is bootable⦠|
| 11:06.54 | Iridos | BluesKaj, he was speaking about copying the raw device⦠well, at least I hope he was because that's the only thing that'd make sense |
| 11:07.25 | babilen | cp and dd just copy data .. the result isn't different in the end and it only matters if you are planning to use dd's options to, for example, only copy segments of files/devices |
| 11:07.43 | BluesKaj | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:08.01 | babilen | cp copies data just fine |
| 11:08.08 | TimurTheLame | babilen, BluesKaj is right |
| 11:08.13 | babilen | How so? |
| 11:08.13 | Iridos | cp clones if you copy the correct raw device |
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| 11:08.33 | babilen | What's the difference between "copy" and "clone" if I may ask? |
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| 11:08.36 | Iridos | cp (and dd) don't clone if you copy the files of the file system |
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| 11:09.11 | babilen | What is the difference between "cp /dev/sdb foo.img" and "dd if=/dev/sdb of=foo.img" ? |
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| 11:09.33 | BluesKaj | Iridos, I'm talking about partitions , not dirs |
| 11:09.37 | babilen | Iridos: I'd argue that they clone the files in that case |
| 11:09.43 | TimurTheLame | babilen, https://superuser.com/questions/609211/why-do-we-use-cp-to-copy-files-and-not-dd-in-unix-derivatives |
| 11:10.55 | babilen | TimurTheLame: So, please explain the difference between the commands above |
| 11:11.02 | Iridos | TimurTheLame, that's a link |
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| 11:11.22 | TimurTheLame | babilen, nothing wrong with being wrong once in a while, you know :P |
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| 11:11.38 | TimurTheLame | babilen, no need to turn this into a 30-minute shouting match :D |
| 11:11.38 | babilen | Indeed ;) |
| 11:12.10 | TimurTheLame | If you want to clone, use dd |
| 11:12.15 | Iridos | or cp |
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| 11:12.38 | BluesKaj | I'm not debating this, but I's like to see cp-ing a partition work |
| 11:12.54 | Iridos | I still suspect we may be talking about different things⦠|
| 11:12.57 | babilen | BluesKaj: Then why don't you try it? |
| 11:12.59 | Iridos | BluesKaj, then just do it? |
| 11:13.00 | Iridos | heh |
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| 11:13.37 | BluesKaj | no need, I can use dd because I know it works |
| 11:13.46 | TimurTheLame | Iridos, cp copies FILES while dd copies the raw data that is on a device/partition |
| 11:14.03 | babilen | TimurTheLame: You might want to start by explaining why both "dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sdb" and "cp debian.iso /dev/sdb" result in the same result |
| 11:14.03 | Iridos | TimurTheLame, in your link someone says exactly the same thing as I did, only a little bit more verbosee: They do the same thing UNLESS you are specifying one of the options to dd which limits which bytes are copied, such as seek or skip or count or if you use the dd options to mutate bytes such as conv. |
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| 11:14.23 | Iridos | TimurTheLame, cp and dd both copy whatever you give them as arguments. |
| 11:14.56 | babilen | But .. as you say .. it is fine to be wrong every now and then |
| 11:15.01 | Iridos | dd and cp just have different extra mumbo-jumbo |
| 11:15.20 | Iridos | so cp can copy directories recursively |
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| 11:15.38 | TimurTheLame | Uh, whatever |
| 11:15.41 | Iridos | and dd has options to limit copying to a certain amount of data and other options |
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| 11:16.34 | TimurTheLame | Hmm. You guys are actually right. :P |
| 11:16.35 | babilen | And, fwiw, if you *really* need dd as you want to, for example, create partial copies you might want to look at dclfdd in lieu of dd |
| 11:16.37 | TimurTheLame | My bad |
| 11:16.37 | pantato | why does linux seem to have so much trouble with crt monitors? i would have figured linux would love my crt |
| 11:16.52 | TimurTheLame | I thought you couldn't clone partitions with cp |
| 11:17.05 | TimurTheLame | But I just did |
| 11:17.08 | babilen | It's a common myth that dd has "super powers" |
| 11:17.31 | babilen | Or is more low-level .. |
| 11:17.50 | TimurTheLame | TIL |
| 11:19.02 | Papillon | linux seems to be on a fucking over old tech kick |
| 11:19.07 | bernhardr | So actually what would do the job for me, clone the ssd to HD so that i can directly boot from it ? Is this possible ? |
| 11:19.17 | Papillon | dumping non x86 architectures, dumping 32 bit |
| 11:19.18 | pantato | Papillon: that's what it feels like |
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| 11:20.22 | Papillon | the 586 only added one instruction that the linux kernel doesn't even use, but debian decided to drop 486 support and move to 586 support minimum just so someone could say they did something stupid |
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| 11:21.05 | babilen | There's quite a large number of packages besides linux-image* |
| 11:21.34 | Papillon | the implementation of the instruction is such that using it hurts performance |
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| 11:22.31 | Papillon | and even if it didn't, I really don't think anyone could justify it |
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| 11:23.22 | eduardas_m | hello, is there anyone I can ask about how uvcdynctrl and libwebcam are maintained? |
| 11:23.42 | petn-randall | !ask |
| 11:23.42 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 11:24.01 | Papillon | you could ask their maintainers, their identities and emails should be on the package page on package.debian.org or something |
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| 11:24.45 | Papillon | they might also show up if you do a dpkg -i or something |
| 11:24.50 | Papillon | there might be an apt command |
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| 11:25.03 | Papillon | apt info maybe |
| 11:25.05 | Xatenev | Hello |
| 11:25.12 | Xatenev | cat test1 | cat < - > test3 - Shouldnt that create a new file named test3? |
| 11:25.13 | petn-randall | Papillon: It's usually a good idea to ask in here before redirecting people to mail the maintainers directly. |
| 11:25.17 | petn-randall | also: |
| 11:25.18 | Xatenev | With the same content as test1 has? |
| 11:25.20 | petn-randall | !enter |
| 11:25.20 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 11:26.25 | Papillon | hey, if someone answer them here that's great |
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| 11:27.24 | l4kj | Hi guys. I have a python script which should run every 4 hours. How can I achieve this through cron? |
| 11:27.46 | petn-randall | Xatenev: That's a bit convoluted, 'cat test1 > test3' would work, or a simple 'cp test1 test3'. |
| 11:27.55 | Xatenev | petn-randall: Yes i know - im practicing |
| 11:28.01 | Xatenev | petn-randall: And imho that "complicated" way should work, or not? |
| 11:29.24 | petn-randall | Xatenev: What happens if you do it? |
| 11:29.32 | Xatenev | petn-randall: I get the error bash: -: File not found |
| 11:30.09 | petn-randall | Xatenev: That is because < expects a filename, and in this case it doesn't find a file with that name. |
| 11:30.32 | Xatenev | petn-randall: Does it? I thought < only redirects stdin ? |
| 11:31.09 | Xatenev | Oh that makes no sense, the stdin is automatically passed |
| 11:31.10 | Xatenev | Ur right |
| 11:31.13 | Xatenev | cat test1 | cat - > test3 works |
| 11:31.32 | Xatenev | petn-randall: thank you.. again :) |
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| 11:32.35 | petn-randall | Xatenev: You don't even need to '-' in the command after the pipe. 'cat test1 | cat > test3' works just fine. |
| 11:32.44 | bernhardr | TimurTheLame so cp would clone the ssd drive to HD and i would be able to boot from the HD ? |
| 11:32.48 | Xatenev | petn-randall: true |
| 11:33.06 | Xatenev | petn-randall: but I remember cat - a lot easier :D its more readable for me |
| 11:33.11 | petn-randall | !useless use of cat |
| 11:33.11 | dpkg | UUOC is the Useless Use of Cat Award. Given out for years by Randal Schwartz on the newsgroup comp.unix.shell. Basically, most constructions that look like "cat filename | grep pattern" can be more easily written as "grep pattern filename". Works for grep and most other Unix utilities. Easier to type and marginally more efficient. |
| 11:33.15 | petn-randall | Xatenev: ^^^ :) |
| 11:33.17 | Xatenev | :) |
| 11:33.18 | Xatenev | wohoo |
| 11:34.42 | Urchin | petn-randall: does he have a chance to win? |
| 11:35.03 | pantato | i'm experiencing overscan on my bios, my terminal, and x screen :/ ... it wasnt doing this before tinkering |
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| 11:36.52 | embrik | Can anyone help me connecting to wireless at school? Domain, username and passwd |
| 11:37.13 | embrik | Am using debian, jessie, networkmanager wicd |
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| 11:41.43 | TomTomTosch | embrik: does your school have instructions online? |
| 11:41.54 | pantato | hmm looks like i fixed my overscan with some random gaming option in the bios tuning wizard |
| 11:41.59 | pantato | computers are so random |
| 11:42.33 | embrik | TomTomTosch: No |
| 11:42.47 | fishsticks | if by random you mean either 0 or 1 then you are correct |
| 11:42.59 | embrik | TomTomTosch: I have username, passwd and domain name |
| 11:44.48 | embrik | TomTomTosch: Encryption WPA2 PEAP - I get "Wrong passwd". But I know it's the right pwd |
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| 11:47.35 | TomTomTosch | then it might be the username. try username and username@domain really depends on how your school has set things up. |
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| 11:55.13 | pantato | https://wiki.debian.org/Steam#Installation is this outdated? aptitude can't find steam when I follow this guide |
| 11:56.17 | TomTomTosch | pantato: did you add contrib and non-free to your sources and run aptitude update? |
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| 11:58.27 | pantato | TomTomTosch: ah it didn't tell me to do that :P |
| 11:58.46 | TomTomTosch | but it did... |
| 11:59.38 | TomTomTosch | it's step 1 and 2 ^^ |
| 11:59.46 | pantato | TomTomTosch: what the heck...not sure how i missed that. I'm tired. Sorry |
| 12:00.00 | TomTomTosch | it happens. ^^ |
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| 12:07.04 | pantato | yay!! i fixed my resolution |
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| 12:09.58 | Haris | hello all |
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| 12:10.38 | Haris | what's the release cycle or support for current release or for nagios/zabbix pkgs on it. I understand the pkg or dist upgrade command moves one install flawlessly to the next version |
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| 12:14.23 | Haris | guys ? |
| 12:14.48 | pantato | i think it's dead in here right now Haris. I'd answer if I knew |
| 12:14.57 | Haris | np |
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| 12:16.27 | txdv | in what directory are i386 packages installed? |
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| 12:17.18 | BluesKaj | Haris, I'm on stretch and nagios is in the repos, but that's all i know |
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| 12:18.24 | pantato | how do i overclock my mouse on debian? on ubuntu 14.04 i could put an option in /etc/modules for usbhid |
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| 12:18.43 | ezra-s | Haris: you can try "apt-cache show package" see who is the maintainer and ask him/her |
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| 12:22.40 | Haris | don't have a debian box accessible yet |
| 12:25.31 | pantato | what does it mean when I've successfully changed my usbhid option to 2 and my mouse is still not overclocked? |
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| 12:27.11 | seb_ | Has anyone else out there had trouble with udev for network device naming in Jessie? I've just given up on a project to install a 4 port card to stand in place of a network hub because I couldn't get the device names to be predictable! |
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| 12:35.24 | darxmurf | hum, NFS is "overwriting" the rights in subfolders ? I have an export like "/opt/ myserver(ro)" follower by "/opt/data myserver(rw)" but I can't write in the /opt/data folder |
| 12:35.43 | darxmurf | if I kick out the /opt export, I can write in the other one |
| 12:35.44 | BluesKaj | wonders why a mouse needs overclocking ....games? |
| 12:36.04 | Papillon | yea |
| 12:36.09 | Papillon | pointer update speed |
| 12:36.13 | Papillon | 144hz yo |
| 12:36.20 | darxmurf | BluesKaj: maybe 1000 fps for a lazer sensor is still too slow :-x |
| 12:37.13 | koollman | darxmurf: iirc, in nfs first match is used. try putting the exports in the reverse order |
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| 12:37.45 | darxmurf | yep I tried already |
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| 12:44.30 | ezra-s | Haris: you can get the same info from packages.debian.org |
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| 12:50.51 | gr8 | what is the best way to install https://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/ on Debian? |
| 12:51.14 | gr8 | I can't find it in the debian repository |
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| 12:55.19 | petn-randall | gr8: It's not packaged in Debian. The best way is the one described on their web page. |
| 12:55.49 | ezra-s | doens't look like it's being updated much |
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| 12:56.58 | ezra-s | nevermind, I was looking at an outdated mirror |
| 12:57.48 | petn-randall | gr8: You'd have to keep track of security updates by hand, which is why I wouldn't recommend using that. |
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| 12:59.25 | gr8 | petn-randall: what would you recommend? |
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| 12:59.50 | petn-randall | gr8: Just use chromium or firefox. |
| 13:00.33 | gr8 | but why isn't gnuzilla packaged for debian? It's GNU software and it's nice for privacy |
| 13:00.52 | Haris | hmm |
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| 13:02.11 | petn-randall | gr8: Then file a ITP bug and start packaging. :) |
| 13:02.32 | hanasaki | in evolution calendar : how do you make it show just hours 8am to 6pm? it is showing all 24 hrs |
| 13:02.33 | ezra-s | gr8: there is no maintainer for it |
| 13:03.31 | gr8 | interesting. |
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| 13:12.20 | jimmi1010 | ciao |
| 13:12.23 | jimmi1010 | !list |
| 13:12.24 | dpkg | jimmi1010: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per saperne di più. |
| 13:12.58 | GNU\colossus | lol |
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| 13:13.10 | Raven737 | Hi, question, is there some kind of tool that allows one to find a system that has an invalid network configuration (i.e. static 192.168.x.x but you're working with 10.x.x.x) and perhaps even set the network configuration? Something like a mdns listener but for, i guess, mac level? |
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| 13:15.15 | petn-randall | Raven737: You could listen to traffic on promiscuous mode, that could show any traffic that doesn't belong. |
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| 13:16.16 | Raven737 | I would like to make a standard image for a rapi that I want to use without having to create DHCP servers and such. Just plug it in (no monitor or antything) and from another system, run tool "findsystem", then run too "setsystemip" etc. |
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| 13:17.21 | Raven737 | I mean i can try to make software like that myself. I was just wondering if there isn't already a standard solution for it. |
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| 13:17.58 | petn-randall | !raspbian |
| 13:17.58 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 13:18.10 | petn-randall | Raven737: You may ask in the right channel. ^^^ |
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| 13:20.00 | Raven737 | petn-randall: yes, it was a more genral question. Actually I am working on a debian image, not a rapi one, just would like to use it for that too later on. What I am asking is if there is a standard software soltuion that can be installed with apt-get that will listen for traffic and respond to it when queried to identify itself that will work even if the network is missconfigured |
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| 13:21.17 | Raven737 | petn-randall: a lot of simple devices, like ethernet over powerline adapters, have software like that installed so they can be configured even when they don't have a valid network configuration |
| 13:21.28 | petn-randall | Raven737: no, I'm not aware of such software. Unfortunately Raspbian is a bit different to Debian, for example backports don't exist on the former, so you might find a solution on Debian that doesn't work on Raspbian. |
| 13:22.09 | Raven737 | petn-randall: if i find a solution then i am willing to compile it for rapsian :) |
| 13:22.44 | petn-randall | Raven737: Only way would be to switch the interface to such a configuration and ping sweep the subnet. But the devices would only respond when the scanner's IP is within the configured subnet, so the chance to miss a device is quite high. |
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| 13:29.51 | Raven737 | petn-randall: yes, that's not how it should be done. You should use broadcast. Either mac lebel or udp global (if that goes past subnet on the same network). |
| 13:30.26 | petn-randall | Raven737: ... and how do you know the broadcast address without knowing the subnet? |
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| 13:30.45 | Raven737 | petn-randall: FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF ? 255.255.255.255? |
| 13:31.42 | petn-randall | Raven737: And why would a device respond to that? |
| 13:31.46 | Raven737 | that's why i said mac level or udp global (there is also subnet broadcast for which you need to know the subnet, of course :) |
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| 13:32.00 | Raven737 | petn-randall: well... they already do... with arp |
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| 13:32.19 | petn-randall | Raven737: What type of ARP? |
| 13:32.25 | Raven737 | arp request is a mac level broadcast... it's just that arp |
| 13:32.52 | Raven737 | apr request to resolve ip to mac |
| 13:33.33 | petn-randall | AFAIR they're always from a specific source address, and if that's not within the subnet, I'd expect the devices to ignore it. |
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| 13:34.06 | petn-randall | Completely untested, but I'd expect a few fundamental things to break if that were the case. |
| 13:34.13 | Raven737 | petn-randall: i think the network stack does not ignore it, a software can handle it |
| 13:34.41 | sypher | That's one variety of gratuitous ARP, and the normal behavior is no reply. |
| 13:34.46 | petn-randall | Raven737: You can always test it, and if it works, bundle the software and package it for Debian. :) |
| 13:35.06 | Raven737 | petn-randall: well, as i said, it's already being used in many embedded linux systems so i thought maybe somehting already exists as a ready to consume packet ;-) |
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| 13:35.28 | petn-randall | The software already exists? |
| 13:35.56 | Raven737 | petn-randall: I mean it is being used, it may not be open source or if it is i don't know it.. that's why i was asking :) |
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| 13:36.37 | petn-randall | Raven737: How do you know? Do you have such a device? |
| 13:37.49 | Raven737 | petn-randall: yes, i do, a few actually. a ethernet over powerline adapter, some io module that works by ethernet, some protocol converterbox.. a lot of embedded devices use it |
| 13:37.58 | sypher | 1. Devices simply take a standard network interface configuration prior to being configured for the environment. Just because they don't have internet connectivity doesn't mean they don't have valid NIC settings. 2. Only ARP requests are sent to the broadcast MAC, and only the system whose IP is in the request will respond. |
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| 13:38.31 | sypher | This sounds like a lot of misconception and misunderstanding as to how networks function. |
| 13:39.09 | Raven737 | sypher: I know what the limitation of arp is. You don't need to use arp. You can use your own mac level protocol |
| 13:39.28 | petn-randall | ??? |
| 13:39.35 | Raven737 | I bough a few different china full hd ip cams... they all have this |
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| 13:40.02 | sypher | So you're trying to write your own version of LLDP, basically. |
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| 13:40.46 | Raven737 | configured for 192.168.0.10 or something... totally different from my network... with the included software i can find it immedietly.. with tcpdump i can see it uses mac level broadcast to which the cam responds... then sends similar mac level unicast to set the network configuration |
| 13:40.52 | petn-randall | Raven737: I was asking if such a network scanner which we discussed existed. It's a given that many embedded devices use ARP, you don't need to tell me that.. |
| 13:41.06 | Raven737 | i don't know what lldp is |
| 13:41.09 | Raven737 | that is why i ask xD |
| 13:41.31 | Raven737 | googleing lldp |
| 13:41.41 | sypher | Raven737: Either way, this is pretty far off-topic for #debian. |
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| 13:42.22 | Raven737 | sypher: I wanted to know if there is a package that i can install... if lldp is the solution, i am sure there are many, i want it for debian so.. i thought i would be correct and sorry i don't know what it's called |
| 13:42.36 | Raven737 | sypher: so i try to explain what i am looking for |
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| 13:43.32 | Raven737 | wow, yes lldp sound exactly like that i need =) |
| 13:43.43 | sypher | If this stuff is using L2 broadcasts as a discovery mechanism, that is a gross misimplementation. |
| 13:43.44 | galex-713 | Hi |
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| 13:43.56 | petn-randall | Raven737: LLDP is a protocol. You might want to read up on the relevant networking parts. TL;DR: It's tricky to write a network scanner you want to have because you'll always get false negatives. |
| 13:43.58 | galex-713 | just fixed back an xfce debian stable install |
| 13:44.13 | galex-713 | so now lightdm works |
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| 13:44.25 | galex-713 | but if I login then the screen goes blanks and I get the lightdm screen again |
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| 13:44.35 | galex-713 | like xfce4 wonât start |
| 13:44.47 | galex-713 | so where can I find the errors that says why wonât it start? |
| 13:45.00 | Raven737 | sypher: thank you! yes, maybe horrible but if it works and you can't tell me a better solution... i uhh guess i will try it? :) |
| 13:45.27 | NeilHanlon | is it "safe" to upgrade to stretch right now? |
| 13:45.39 | NeilHanlon | or should I wait until the official release |
| 13:46.28 | Raven737 | sypher: no worries, it will be only for small local networks so i think it would be ok for that... |
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| 13:46.46 | sypher | NeilHanlon: I'd wait. |
| 13:47.08 | petn-randall | NeilHanlon: Rule of thumb with testing/unstable is: If you have to ask, the answer is no. :) |
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| 13:51.12 | galex-713 | any idea? |
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| 13:55.55 | Iridos | dpkg, any idea? |
| 13:55.55 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of rutabagas, a little vegemite, and a dozen rabid hamsters. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few minutes! |
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| 13:57.04 | Iridos | galex-713, check if the disk is full first |
| 13:57.20 | nkuttler | somebody apparently sent me google calendar events by mail, but icedove doesn't render anything. any ideas why? does that require scripting, or can i get a debug console, .. |
| 13:57.39 | NeilHanlon | sypher petn-randall: I figured as much. Just some packages in stretch I want to install :( haha |
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| 13:58.44 | Iridos | nkuttler, I think icedove doesn't have a calendar integrated? The point of those things is that the appoinment is automatically put into your calendar, as far as I understand it |
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| 13:59.36 | nkuttler | Iridos: i see, ty. it's just odd that i don't even see an attachment |
| 13:59.56 | Iridos | then maybe they didn't really send it⦠|
| 14:00.09 | Iridos | they're smallish text files with an ".ics" ending, iirc |
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| 14:01.01 | Iridos | NeilHanlon, only these left https://udd.debian.org/bugs/?release=stretch&merged=ign&fnewerval=7&flastmodval=7&rc=1&sortby=id&sorto=asc&format=html#results |
| 14:01.12 | nkuttler | Iridos: they show fine in gmail though :| |
| 14:01.23 | Iridos | you can always join in the exciting hunt for bugs before the release⦠haven't heard they ever reject people ^^ |
| 14:01.29 | nkuttler | aaanyway.. i can use gmail, more billable hours .oO |
| 14:01.44 | Iridos | that's pretty weird |
| 14:01.49 | nkuttler | yeah |
| 14:01.51 | Iridos | I haven't tried icedove |
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| 14:02.22 | Iridos | evolution shows them as an attachment⦠not sure it enters them into the internal calendar |
| 14:02.35 | NeilHanlon | Iridos: only 200 bugs. that shouldn't take long! :P |
| 14:02.58 | galex-713_ | Iridos, afaik now itâs thunderbird again |
| 14:02.59 | Iridos | NeilHanlon, well⦠you can always write new bug reports for stuff that's not in there |
| 14:03.06 | nkuttler | Iridos: ah, let me try evolution |
| 14:03.15 | galex-713_ | there's clawsmail too |
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| 14:03.33 | nkuttler | i tried geary, that just showed a "none" attachment it didn't open |
| 14:03.36 | jhutchins_wk | nkuttler: You may have heard that icedove/thunderbird is one of the most horrible mail clients ever devised. |
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| 14:03.55 | Iridos | uh. I tried clawsmail some years ago⦠it's so long I can't remember details, but it was horrible |
| 14:04.09 | Iridos | maybe it changed in the time since I did, though |
| 14:04.11 | nkuttler | mutt is the only good email client anyway |
| 14:04.22 | jhutchins_wk | Pegasus is ok by itself, but does not play well with others. |
| 14:04.34 | Iridos | nkuttler, no, keybindings suck⦠only alpine works well |
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| 14:04.53 | jhutchins_wk | vots for pine |
| 14:05.17 | Iridos | dpkg, start an email client war |
| 14:05.17 | dpkg | Iridos: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 14:05.41 | Iridos | pfft |
| 14:05.53 | jhutchins_wk | Pine does about 99% of what I need, squirrelmail about 90%. |
| 14:06.26 | galex-713_ | also checkroot.sh timeouts at boot and then / remain read-only |
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| 14:07.03 | galex-713_ | Iridos, why are clawsmail and thunderbird horrible? |
| 14:07.08 | galex-713_ | jhutchins_wk, ^ |
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| 14:11.11 | petn-randall | NeilHanlon: Which packages? We have jessie-backports for that. |
| 14:11.25 | NeilHanlon | gnome-calendar, quassel-* |
| 14:11.33 | NeilHanlon | possibly some more I've forgotten about |
| 14:11.38 | NeilHanlon | they don't appear to be backported |
| 14:11.42 | nkuttler | Iridos: evolution seems to work nicely, thanks again |
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| 14:14.45 | nkuttler | i think i haven't touched evolution in at least ten years.. used to be too tightly integrated with gnome |
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| 14:19.39 | galex-713_ | checkroot.sh timeouts, any idea of how to debug this? |
| 14:19.48 | galex-713_ | also lightdm not starting xfce |
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| 14:20.46 | nkuttler | galex-713_: the latter sounds like an xfce problem ~/.xsession-errors, or perhaps delete your xfce config |
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| 14:22.02 | galex-713_ | I have no xfce config |
| 14:22.09 | galex-713_ | and there is no .xsession-errors |
| 14:22.17 | galex-713_ | itâs a fresh install |
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| 14:23.10 | galex-713_ | nkuttler, ^ |
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| 14:23.39 | nkuttler | galex-713_: can you launch any desktop environment? |
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| 14:23.48 | galex-713_ | yes, under root, using startx |
| 14:24.10 | galex-713_ | I can do # âstartx startxfce4â and it works, under root |
| 14:24.10 | nkuttler | galex-713_: what happens when you startx as user? |
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| 14:24.31 | galex-713_ | something about unable to create files in /tmp |
| 14:24.43 | nkuttler | galex-713_: ls -ld /tmp/ |
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| 14:25.16 | galex-713_ | drwxr-xr-t if thatâs what you want to know |
| 14:25.27 | galex-713_ | root root (uid gid) |
| 14:26.21 | galex-713_ | should I chmod a+rw? |
| 14:26.30 | nkuttler | galex-713_: you need +w, yeah |
| 14:26.40 | nkuttler | it's drwxrwxrwt on my boxes |
| 14:26.51 | galex-713_ | yeah on mine too, just checked |
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| 14:27.03 | galex-713_ | probably that |
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| 14:27.17 | galex-713_ | also, any idea on checkroot.sh? |
| 14:27.49 | galex-713_ | I have to âmount -o remount,rw /dev/sda1 /â at each boot, thatâs tedious, especially since this computer is not for me |
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| 14:28.07 | Finnix | hi2all |
| 14:28.13 | nkuttler | galex-713_: not really sure what that does, but set -x on line 2 to debug |
| 14:28.31 | nkuttler | galex-713_: and if your /tmp permissions are wrong, that's an indicator more things might be broken.. |
| 14:28.47 | galex-713_ | yeah, install interrupted because no more space |
| 14:28.57 | nkuttler | galex-713_: eh.. |
| 14:29.13 | nkuttler | galex-713_: does dpkg --configure -a anything |
| 14:29.17 | nkuttler | do anything? |
| 14:29.34 | galex-713_ | so I did chroot, apt-get clean, dpkg -a --configure, apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade; tasksel |
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| 14:29.51 | galex-713_ | also mounting the required stuff in /proc, /dev, /sys, etc. |
| 14:29.54 | nkuttler | galex-713_: i'd probably just reinstall. quicker than trying to fix things.. |
| 14:30.05 | Aebian | if I want to run a specific cron-tab'ed script as a specific user then will this just do the job? /bin/su - stpuser -c |
| 14:30.28 | nkuttler | Aebian: why not add it to the crontab of that user? |
| 14:30.33 | galex-713_ | well, thatâs pretty long, also at the time I didnât have another solid storage, and most of time I donât have internet, and yet thatâs quite slow |
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| 14:33.47 | Aebian | nkuttler: hmm yeah good pint, thanks |
| 14:33.51 | Aebian | *point |
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| 14:37.04 | Iridos | nkuttler, maybe I should also try thunderbird⦠I have a lot of gripes with evolution |
| 14:37.26 | Iridos | I might actually quite like mutt if the keybindings didn't drive me crazy |
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| 14:41.07 | centrx | Thunderbird sucks too |
| 14:41.11 | centrx | nothing beats Gmail |
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| 14:41.26 | Aebian | I like inbox |
| 14:41.26 | atralheaven_ | Hi, I've used the split -n command to split a file into two files, now I want to put them together and create the original file from them, should I use join command or cat? |
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| 14:42.07 | atralheaven_ | I think both will work but which tool is for this purpose? |
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| 14:44.00 | Iridos | have a look at "man join" and it should be quite obvious what that does |
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| 14:45.35 | atralheaven_ | Iridos: you mean join is should be used for text only? because I saw both cat and join being used after using split |
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| 14:50.06 | jhutchins_wk | galex-713_: It sounds a lot like you have a seriously horked disk. |
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| 14:50.44 | jhutchins_wk | galex-713_: You shouldn't have to manually do that much low-level stuff. |
| 14:50.57 | Iridos | atralheaven_, "For each pair of input lines with identical join fields, write a line to standard output. " |
| 14:51.13 | jhutchins_wk | galex-713_: I would suggest booting to live media and doing a fsck. |
| 14:51.40 | jhutchins_wk | galex-713_: If you don't find hardware problems, I would strongl suspect that your install media might not be good. |
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| 14:51.57 | Iridos | isn't it quite clear what that says? |
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| 14:52.07 | jim | I'm toying with the idea of building a python 3.6... would I build a package for that? should I avoid putting it in system-wide places? |
| 14:52.35 | Iridos | judd, versions python3 |
| 14:52.36 | judd | Package: python3 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2.3-6; jessie: 3.4.2-2; stretch: 3.5.3-1; sid: 3.5.3-1 |
| 14:52.48 | jim | yeah read that already :) |
| 14:52.59 | Iridos | well, I hadn't |
| 14:54.46 | jim | ok... what do you think? |
| 14:54.52 | Iridos | dunno |
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| 14:56.05 | Iridos | I don't think system scripts use python3 yet ⦠but apt-rdepends -r python3 ⦠|
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| 14:56.16 | jim | apt-get build-dep python3 ; get source, configure--prefix=/home/me/inst-py36; make; make install? |
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| 14:56.49 | galex-713_ | jhutchins_wk, the fs is clean, already checked |
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| 14:57.15 | Iridos | not sure if I'd prefer building outside the package system⦠guess depends on the actual use case |
| 14:57.25 | jhutchins_wk | galex-713_: Then with the errors you're getting I suspect a corrupt install. |
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| 14:57.53 | jhutchins_wk | jim: What's the motivation behind going to 3.6/ |
| 14:57.55 | jhutchins_wk | ? |
| 14:57.57 | hiya | how to set the Power Management to balanced or powersave mode in Debian like we do in Windows? |
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| 14:58.03 | galex-713_ | jhutchins_wk, the usb stick I made the install on (itâs on a computer with a broken hard disk so I use the usb stick as replacement) works fine, but is only 4G, and I set up a 512M swap (same size of RAM, this way it can hibernates for example), so I have a bit more than 3G for the system |
| 14:58.12 | Iridos | but there's a lot of things that depend on python3⦠I think I'd very much try to avoid them to break |
| 14:58.13 | jim | I just wanna play with it |
| 14:58.35 | galex-713_ | yeah of course, since I said the install was aborted while it was installing packages, thatâs why I âfixedâ it with dpkg, apt-get and tasksel |
| 14:58.37 | jhutchins_wk | hiya: Do not attempt to apply Windows concepts to Linux. Focus instead on the actual goals. |
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| 14:59.10 | xormor | RemixOS is trash. It could not find my Wi-Fi from my cell phone (Samsung), and it did not have any options to use my USB modem Internet. |
| 14:59.33 | hiya | jhutchins_wk, my laptop freezes when I plug in the power, it is so sluggish. On battery it is smooth as butter |
| 14:59.36 | hiya | What could be done? |
| 14:59.45 | jhutchins_wk | jim: You could try it in a chroot and see what it breaks, or take some other container-like approach, or just install it outside the normal path. |
| 14:59.48 | jim | see what new stuff it has... plus, raymond hettinger (python core dev) is filmed in talks that get to youtube, and he's pretty often saying "got py3.6 yet?", which is probably what made me curious |
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| 15:00.17 | jhutchins_wk | jim: RH has some interesting concepts in their SCL setups where you can invoke a new environment. |
| 15:00.31 | jim | I can make sure it doesn't get into root's path |
| 15:00.42 | Iridos | I guess I'd build it outside the package system and the paths that all other programs use because of all the dependencies |
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| 15:01.05 | jim | SCL? |
| 15:01.09 | jhutchins_wk | Then there's PHP, which is at 5.3 - 5.5 in most distros, but current and only supported release is 7.0. |
| 15:01.14 | Iridos | I'm not sure it's only as root⦠|
| 15:02.06 | jim | so, tell me php is now used in the base of debian (heh, not) |
| 15:02.23 | TimurTheLame | hiya, you could try installing the tlp package |
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| 15:02.46 | Genk1 | Hello guys |
| 15:02.50 | jhutchins_wk | jim: I think it's "Software Collection Library". |
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| 15:03.09 | n4dir | wouldn't virtualenv be the way to go as far newer versions of python is concerned? |
| 15:03.13 | Iridos | hiya, there shouldnt be any difference when the power is plugged in⦠look into logs /var/log/messages and the like and journalctl ⦠and dmesg if something is stuck in a loop when you plug in power |
| 15:03.20 | TimurTheLame | hiya, it's a daemon that handles battery/plugged in power settings. The default options do wonders for me. |
| 15:03.21 | jim | has something to do with their venv concept? |
| 15:03.35 | Genk1 | How the file /etc/inetd.conf was replaced in Debian 8 ? |
| 15:04.00 | jim | n4dir, well, the original has to go somewhere |
| 15:04.10 | n4dir | which original? |
| 15:04.22 | hiya | TimurTheLame, which daemon? |
| 15:04.26 | hiya | Iridos, ok trying |
| 15:04.33 | TimurTheLame | hiya, the one that tlp installs |
| 15:04.34 | jim | if I build it, does it go into a venv? |
| 15:05.26 | TimurTheLame | hiya, http://linrunner.de/en/tlp/tlp.html |
| 15:05.30 | n4dir | i always confuse perlbrew and virtualenv. So am not too sure. I assume one will build different versions of the lang in the users home. ... |
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| 15:06.32 | n4dir | at least that they don't get in the way of the systems versions. |
| 15:06.35 | jim | n4dir, oh ok |
| 15:06.39 | n4dir | by which means ever. |
| 15:06.58 | n4dir | perhaps wiki.debian.org has more info ... |
| 15:07.15 | n4dir | !virtualenv |
| 15:07.15 | dpkg | hmm... virtualenv is a python development environment that's separate from global system installed binaries and libraries. https://linuxconfig.org/setting-up-the-python-virtualenv-development-environment-on-debian-linux Always use a virtualenv rather than running <pip> as root. Repeat after me: DO NOT RUN PIP AS ROOT. See <local python> |
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| 15:07.34 | celyr2 | Hi |
| 15:07.46 | celyr2 | I'm interested in understading when a debian package will be updated |
| 15:07.49 | jim | hi |
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| 15:07.58 | celyr2 | and if there is any update in queue for that package |
| 15:08.04 | celyr2 | how I can do that ? |
| 15:08.30 | jim | ,versions linux-image |
| 15:08.31 | judd | No package named 'linux-image' was found in amd64. |
| 15:08.32 | celyr2 | I mean I know that upstream there are updates for that packages and those upates fixes also a number of critical bugs, what I'm trying to understand |
| 15:08.41 | celyr2 | ,versions firebird2.5 |
| 15:08.42 | judd | No package named 'firebird2.5' was found in amd64. |
| 15:09.06 | jhutchins_wk | Genk1: What are you actually trying to do? |
| 15:09.09 | celyr2 | ,versions firebird2.5-classic |
| 15:09.10 | judd | Package: firebird2.5-classic on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.5.2.26540.ds4-1~deb7u2; wheezy-security: 2.5.2.26540.ds4-1~deb7u2; jessie: 2.5.3.26778.ds4-5 |
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| 15:09.26 | jim | celyr2, doing that, you can at least find out what versions are in the archive right now |
| 15:09.37 | Genk1 | jhutchins_wk, I am trying to disable legacy services like nis, ftp, rsh etc |
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| 15:09.57 | Genk1 | jhutchins_wk, how can I search for them ? |
| 15:10.04 | jim | for ftp, don't install ftpd |
| 15:10.09 | jhutchins_wk | Genk1: Don't install/configure them. |
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| 15:10.40 | celyr2 | jim, Well I know this, what I'm trying to understand is if the mantainer is actually working on newer versions, if those newer versions are going throught unstable-testing and when I'll eventually get them on the stable archive |
| 15:10.44 | jim | for rsh, don't install an rshd or a telnetd (you shouldn't anyway) |
| 15:10.52 | Genk1 | jhutchins_wk, it seems like debian has changed strategy and use something else |
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| 15:11.21 | Genk1 | jhutchins_wk, how normaly we look for services in debian ? |
| 15:11.33 | celyr2 | jim, firebird2.5.2 was release on 2012, last version for 2.5 is 2.5.7 |
| 15:11.55 | jim | celyr2, for that, I would think you could ask him (maybe find his email addr or email packagename@packages.debian.org |
| 15:11.59 | n4dir | celyr2: that is an easy questions. Once debian stable has been released, upgrades don't happen via testing/unstable. If at all there are security upgrades |
| 15:12.47 | celyr2 | jim, how I can find the name of the maintainer ? |
| 15:12.59 | jhutchins_wk | Genk1: We ask the person who built the system what they installed. |
| 15:13.03 | jim | ,maint python3 |
| 15:13.03 | n4dir | packages.debian.org |
| 15:13.04 | judd | Package python3-defaults version 3.3.0-2 was uploaded by Piotr Ozarowski on 2013-01-19, last changed by Piotr Ożarowski and maintained by Matthias Klose. |
| 15:13.14 | celyr2 | n4dir, Jessie was not released on 2012 :) |
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| 15:13.35 | jhutchins_wk | Genk1: dpkg -l | sort |less |
| 15:13.43 | Genk1 | jhutchins_wk, ok |
| 15:14.03 | missmbob | celyr2: dont email them directly. it's not polite. use a bug report if you want. |
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| 15:14.49 | jhutchins_wk | Genk1: Most distributions use xinetd if they have tcp wrappers enabled. Most just don't run those legacy systems unless they're manually installed. |
| 15:15.00 | jhutchins_wk | s/systems/services/ |
| 15:15.09 | Genk1 | jhutchins_wk, OK I see |
| 15:15.11 | Genk1 | thanks |
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| 15:15.59 | jhutchins_wk | Genk1: There are several other replacements for inetd if it's needed. |
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| 15:16.20 | Genk1 | jhutchins_wk, yes like systemd etc |
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| 15:16.21 | Genk1 | ? |
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| 15:16.42 | McErroneous | Hi, Knoppix 6.7, does not recognize my external USB HDD, anybody familiar with this problem ? |
| 15:16.44 | jhutchins_wk | celyr2: Remember that while bugfix patches may be applied, the general rule is that new versions of packages do not get added to stable. |
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| 15:17.05 | jhutchins_wk | Genk1: aptitude search "inetd". |
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| 15:17.16 | Genk1 | ok |
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| 15:17.29 | celyr2 | jhutchins_wk, I get this but the wired thing is that looking at: https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=dmn%40debian.org it seems that new versions are not pushed even in testing and unstable |
| 15:17.34 | teraflops | McErroneous: this channel is for debian support not knoppix support |
| 15:17.58 | celyr2 | missmbob, Thank you I'll try to find the bugtracker then |
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| 15:18.23 | McErroneous | teraflops: you sound like you are an Ubuntu user... |
| 15:18.41 | teraflops | McErroneous: knoppix is by there â |
| 15:19.08 | McErroneous | :D... hmmm, yummy feed me.. |
| 15:19.14 | dax | dpkg: knoppix |
| 15:19.14 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distribution which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.org/ unofficial: http://Debian-knoppix.alioth.Debian.org/ <Debian-live> is the Debian equivalent for publishing live systems. |
| 15:19.25 | n4dir | https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/firebird2.5 celyr2 |
| 15:19.36 | celyr2 | n4dir, tnx |
| 15:19.50 | teraflops | McErroneous: also youre being a dick, there's no need to behave like a 5yo kid. |
| 15:20.18 | celyr2 | n4dir, what this does mean in your opinion ? https://tracker.debian.org/news/810733 |
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| 15:21.23 | n4dir | all i got is an opinion. Looks like it will be removed from debian. Perhaps the maintainer lost interest ? Like proposed above i would write a bug report (perhaps he will get interest again :-) ) |
| 15:21.37 | celyr2 | https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/firebird2.5 |
| 15:22.13 | n4dir | to put it different: it isn't that clear to me either |
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| 15:22.52 | celyr2 | And I have in production this package |
| 15:23.06 | celyr2 | I think I should really compile it from source, what do you think ? |
| 15:23.44 | n4dir | i would start with the bug report. But yeah, sure, give it a try to build it yourself |
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| 15:24.16 | celyr2 | n4dir, Ok I try with a bug report |
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| 15:25.15 | jhutchins_wk | celyr2: I would suggest building a .deb package rather than just a compile/install. |
| 15:25.22 | jhutchins_wk | celyr2: Easier to manage. |
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| 15:25.34 | celyr2 | jhutchins_wk, I agree, and this is why I'm avoiding to do it now |
| 15:25.46 | jhutchins_wk | celyr2: What are the reasons for using firebird as opposed to a more common/mainstream database? |
| 15:25.51 | celyr2 | My skills on building packages are a bit rusty at least |
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| 15:26.01 | jhutchins_wk | celyr2: It's pretty well automated. |
| 15:26.05 | celyr2 | jhutchins_wk, Because our ERP is designed on top of it |
| 15:26.08 | jhutchins_wk | !uupdate |
| 15:26.08 | dpkg | uupdate (in the <devscripts> package) upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision, or e.g. if the newest foo in debian is 1.2, and upstream is at 1.4: apt-get source foo; wget -nd http://foo.org/foo-1.4.tar.gz; cd foo-1.2; uupdate ../foo-1.4.tar.gz Ask me about <package recompile>. |
| 15:26.30 | n4dir | what is ERP? |
| 15:27.06 | celyr2 | n4dir, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enterprise_resource_planning |
| 15:27.20 | jhutchins_wk | celyr2: Some flake developer wanted job security by using an obscure program? |
| 15:27.50 | celyr2 | jhutchins_wk, Well... |
| 15:28.01 | celyr2 | jhutchins_wk, It's a long story that roots back to 1980s |
| 15:28.15 | jhutchins_wk | WE have plenty of that here. Custom compiles, wild variation from standard practices. |
| 15:28.39 | jhutchins_wk | celyr2: Ok, yeah, the 80s were Wild West when it came to databases. FoxPro! |
| 15:28.41 | celyr2 | jhutchins_wk, when a small company started to do business and invested a lot of money into their custom crafted ERP and now 37 years laters it's too customised |
| 15:28.44 | n4dir | my guess is there is a reason the official maintainer of it doesn't upgrade to new versions. So problems might occur. Hence i would first ask via bug-report what is going on. but all of that are only guesses |
| 15:29.03 | celyr2 | jhutchins_wk, For them to just evalue to change it to a more mainstram ERP... |
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| 15:29.15 | celyr2 | jhutchins_wk, So it was build on top of Interbase and it Died |
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| 15:29.55 | celyr2 | jhutchins_wk, with borland... Then firebase took the burden of the development of the Intebase sources... |
| 15:30.29 | celyr2 | jhutchins_wk, At that time Interbase was mainstream I would say |
| 15:30.55 | jhutchins_wk | celyr2: Well, as much as anything was. DB3/4, FoxPro, whatever that Apple one was... |
| 15:30.59 | celyr2 | jhutchins_wk, We are planning to switch to postgresql but there are lot of stored procedures and triggers that the software house is not confortable to migrate... |
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| 15:31.43 | celyr2 | aka they are afraid that eventually everything will just blow up |
| 15:31.53 | celyr2 | and things are going decently anyway so |
| 15:32.39 | jhutchins_wk | celyr2: interbase appears to still be in production: https://www.embarcadero.com/products/interbase |
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| 15:34.01 | celyr2 | jhutchins_wk, And that's even funnier since on embarcadero website they treat firebird as a joke and they do vice-versa on the firebird ml |
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| 15:34.40 | celyr2 | jhutchins_wk, But I guess that firebird is better right now, embarcadero just rebranded it and gave support with 0 development |
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| 15:37.11 | celyr2 | http://www.mail-archive.com/firebird-support@yahoogroups.com/msg15903.html |
| 15:37.14 | celyr2 | and follow up |
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| 15:41.59 | testerbeta | i've a question |
| 15:42.03 | testerbeta | about a package |
| 15:42.05 | Papillon | shoot |
| 15:42.08 | testerbeta | what does chromium-shell |
| 15:42.37 | Papillon | maybe it's related to chromebooks chromeos? |
| 15:42.48 | Papillon | or the chrome browser? |
| 15:42.53 | celyr2 | Ok I've found out that http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-firebird-general/2016q4/002856.html firebird3.0 will not be supported in debian Stretch |
| 15:42.57 | Stummi | ,v chromium-shell |
| 15:42.58 | judd | Package: chromium-shell on amd64 -- sid: 57.0.2987.98-1; stretch: 57.0.2987.98-1 |
| 15:43.10 | Papillon | apt infor chromium-shell |
| 15:43.14 | Papillon | apt info chromium-shell |
| 15:44.13 | Papillon | that is less than helpful |
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| 15:49.52 | jhutchins_wk | celyr2: Um, that actually says that 3.0 WILL be in stretch, 2.5 will not be supported. |
| 15:50.26 | celyr2 | jhutchins_wk, yeah. I did a mistake in reporting it |
| 15:50.42 | celyr2 | I meant 2.5 will not ... |
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| 15:54.54 | celyr2 | jhutchins_wk, but I hope that since there is CVE-2017-6369 open they will eventually backport 2.5.7 |
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| 15:56.09 | McErroneous | Hi, my System does not boot into Squeeze-based distro, it says s.th. like: "initrd to big it does not fit in the memory between 15-16M - will be moving initrd into extended memory.... " but it fails to boot... |
| 15:56.32 | jhutchins_wk | celyr2: Is there a bugreport/request open? |
| 15:56.51 | celyr2 | jhutchins_wk, I wrote to their ml |
| 15:56.58 | jhutchins_wk | McErroneous: Define "squeeze-based". |
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| 15:58.49 | McErroneous | jhutchins_wk: Crunchbang - Linux... |
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| 15:59.09 | petn-randall | !crunchbang |
| 15:59.09 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbang.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
| 15:59.20 | petn-randall | McErroneous: Try askingi in there ^^^ |
| 15:59.33 | petn-randall | -i |
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| 16:03.49 | McErroneous | That is why i do not like to anser those kind of questions, is debian getting like Ubuntu ? Answering with questions on a question beeing asked.. |
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| 16:04.58 | teraflops | add McErroneous to the ignore list |
| 16:05.31 | teraflops | +s |
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| 16:06.42 | mutante | what i don't like is that half the channel is argueing about that. people chose to use something without support and then expect it here. they even found the right place for you but not good enough |
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| 16:08.06 | McErroneous | mutante , it is just like saying: Am i your mother ? go away... |
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| 16:08.31 | teraflops | !kick McErroneous |
| 16:08.31 | dpkg | kicks McErroneous in the ass. |
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| 16:08.43 | somiaj | McErroneous: we choose to only support Debian here, not anything based on debian for both techenical and social. One thing you should think about when choosing a distro is the support comunity if you are going to use it. |
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| 16:09.31 | McErroneous | okay, i have a butt, but i am sitting on it right now... |
| 16:09.55 | somiaj | if you are wanting a general support channel for linux, try ##linux, there is a community that is built around supporting linux in general. |
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| 16:10.15 | McErroneous | somiaj: well... |
| 16:10.44 | teraflops | for 2 times you were told kindly that we do not support debian based distros here. it's our choice. so stop complaining |
| 16:11.40 | teraflops | you don't like it? we don't care. keep on-topic or go away |
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| 16:12.34 | McErroneous | Change topic to : you use debian base ?? WE DO NOT CARE, GO TO HELL... |
| 16:13.02 | abff | pfft I use windows |
| 16:14.20 | somiaj | McErroneous: try to be more civil, we are volunteer's who choose to support debian and not things based on debian due to various technical reasons. You have the freedom to choose a distro you want to use, part of that choice is support. If you had a problem with windows you woudln't call up apple support and demand they fix it for you. |
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| 16:15.09 | McErroneous | somiaj: I can support debian as well: just saying: this is not our concern... |
| 16:15.09 | somiaj | and here we are supporting you in trying to point you to proper places for crunchbang support, use their channel/forums or ##linux for general linux support. |
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| 16:15.26 | raktajino | McErroneous: you're not entitled to anyone's time. |
| 16:15.32 | teraflops | somiaj: IMO arguing with McErroneous is a mistake |
| 16:16.04 | somiaj | teraflops: I see it as trying to educate, prefer that over banning or just letting the conversation turn into flaming. |
| 16:16.21 | teraflops | fair enough |
| 16:17.01 | McErroneous | If there is no pupil, where is there gonna be a teacher ? Is a man going to teach himself ? |
| 16:18.22 | raktajino | McErroneous: you were literally told where to go to find help |
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| 16:20.04 | McErroneous | raktajino: hopefully i gonna get smart enough soon... |
| 16:20.43 | raktajino | the evidence thus far suggests otherwise, but anything is possible. |
| 16:21.02 | BluesKaj | found the secret to make chrome-browser default on stretch, sudo sed -i 's/firefox-esr.desktop/google-chrome.desktop/' /home/user/.config/mimeapps.list |
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| 16:23.08 | petn-randall | McErroneous: You're simply asking in the wrong channel, nothing more, nothing less. We kindly asked you to take your request there. |
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| 16:24.19 | teraflops | BluesKaj: that's a dirty hack. either use alternatives system or xdg ⦠|
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| 16:25.21 | petn-randall | McErroneous: We only support Debian in here for a number of technical and social reasons. Chances are good your problem is not reproducible on Debian, then nobody in here can help you. |
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| 16:25.36 | BluesKaj | teraflops, alternatives doesn't work |
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| 16:26.07 | petn-randall | McErroneous: That's like getting angry because you insist on asking your dentist about your back pains. They won't be able to help, and just insisting more and more will only make them angry. |
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| 16:26.54 | BluesKaj | teraflops, what's the xdg procedure? |
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| 16:29.31 | jhutchins_wk | BluesKaj: Which alternative did you change? |
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| 16:30.18 | hek293z | hi |
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| 16:30.59 | hek293z | when is 9 out |
| 16:31.01 | teraflops | BluesKaj: e.g xdg-settings set default-web-browser firefox.desktop or xdg-mime default firefox.desktop x-scheme-handler/http (for x-scheme-handler/https too) |
| 16:31.04 | jhutchins_wk | My systems have a setting for "Debian Sensible Browser" - I don't know where that converts to an actual program. |
| 16:31.06 | McErroneous | petn-randall: I am not using Slackware ... , asking for help in debian, and my experience tells me, that debian-based is smilar, even if not, just give others the chance to help if the is a solution... |
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| 16:31.58 | jhutchins_wk | McErroneous: The kind of problem you're having is not common to Debian, and is likely the result of the customization for your specific distribution. |
| 16:32.11 | jhutchins_wk | McErroneous: Trust us, our collective experience is far greater than yours. |
| 16:32.18 | BluesKaj | jhutchins_wk, all the references from firefox-esr.desktop to google-chrome.desktop in /home/user/.config/mimeapps.list |
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| 16:32.52 | jhutchins_wk | BluesKaj: I thought you said you'd tried /etc/alternatives and it didn't work, I was wondering what you'd changed. |
| 16:32.53 | McErroneous | you are an individual person, maybe 3 or 4.., so , let it be... |
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| 16:34.33 | sypher | McErroneous: Your issue is occuring in something that is not Debian. Therefore it is off-topic for this channel. That you wish it weren't does not change the reality in which you live. Stop expecting for people to cater to your needs. |
| 16:35.12 | BluesKaj | jhutchins_wk, i meant the command , sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 16:36.00 | jelly | McErroneous: anyone can help if they wish, but in the right place (##linux channel if there's no better) |
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| 16:37.18 | jhutchins_wk | BluesKaj: x-www-browser was what I was looking for. |
| 16:37.19 | abff | !crunchbang |
| 16:37.19 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbang.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
| 16:37.44 | abff | McErroneous: maybe next time don't bother mentioning you're not on debian ;) |
| 16:37.54 | bin_bash | rip crunchbang :( |
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| 16:38.33 | sypher | abff: That's also called lying. Please don't. |
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| 16:38.47 | teraflops | abff: this conversation is taking too much time.⦠|
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| 16:42.20 | McErroneous | yes, it is a real waste of time telling people you wont help... |
| 16:42.43 | buu | Speaking of debian does anyone know of a reason why this system would refuse to boot unless a video card is plugged in? |
| 16:42.49 | BluesKaj | jhutchins_wk, the change in ~/.config/mimeapps.list works and is recognized in the chrome browser when checking the default browser setting ...if teraflops thinks it's a dirty hack is fine with me as long as it works |
| 16:42.51 | buu | As far as I can tell it gets stuck somewhere loading the bios |
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| 16:43.06 | celyr2 | McErroneous, people here are on volunteer basis |
| 16:43.15 | sypher | McErroneous: Quit being a child. You've been directed to the proper forum. |
| 16:43.28 | celyr2 | McErroneous, they are quite helpful indeed but mind that if they don't want to help you well, they owe you nothing |
| 16:43.42 | teraflops | BluesKaj: sure, whatever floats you goat, xdg-open is crap anyway, nothing to complain from here |
| 16:43.47 | celyr2 | McErroneous, So be kind and maybe they will help you anyway |
| 16:44.09 | jelly | drop this please. They are welcome to ask in ##linux about generic help for their (end-of-life distro) linux |
| 16:44.17 | teraflops | McErroneous: hey, youre being annoying. |
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| 16:44.49 | jelly | buu: does it run POST at all? |
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| 16:45.30 | jelly | buu: can you set up a serial console and see if linux kernel starts at all? |
| 16:45.42 | buu | jelly: I'm not 100% sure since the only information I have at the moment is the bios codes |
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| 16:46.04 | jelly | so what does the manual say about those bios codes |
| 16:46.36 | jelly | did it reach "normal running state, control passed to OS/boot loader" |
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| 16:47.24 | buu | "Oboard devices Initialize and Detect (USB/ SATA/ |
| 16:47.25 | buu | SCSIâ¦â¦)n" |
| 16:48.16 | buu | This is a certain amount of guesswork but it appears to be stopping at the last stage before "ready to boot" |
| 16:48.34 | buu | Is it possible for the kernel to require video output as part of its boot sequence? |
| 16:49.12 | celyr2 | buu, I have a computer running without video card and it boots just fine |
| 16:49.41 | celyr2 | buu, I guess it's something in the bios |
| 16:51.11 | buu | I'm pretty sure I don't have anything like a serial port |
| 16:51.20 | buu | Is there some way to fake it? |
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| 16:51.56 | jhutchins_wk | buu: Install a serial or video card? |
| 16:51.57 | Papillon | they sell usb dongles to do tha |
| 16:52.01 | Papillon | to do that I think |
| 16:52.15 | jhutchins_wk | Papillon: Yeah, but they're unlikely to be active during POST. |
| 16:52.15 | celyr2 | buu, Are you using grub ? |
| 16:52.30 | Walakea | are there packages with headers, which are used in Stroustrup's Programming principles and practice using C++? |
| 16:52.30 | jhutchins_wk | celyr2: Doesn't sound like it's getting that far. |
| 16:53.01 | celyr2 | jhutchins_wk, yeah I agree |
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| 16:55.09 | buu | celyr2: Yes |
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| 16:56.47 | celyr2 | buu, I'm pretty sure that you won't solve it with serial port |
| 16:56.57 | celyr2 | buu, bios will not output anything to the serial port |
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| 16:57.50 | celyr2 | buu, I think that your best chance is to plug a video card and seek the bios for any option regarding a video card... Also plug a keyboard usually leds blinks if bios get stuck by errors this can give you some clues |
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| 16:58.10 | buu | celyr2: Well, it's got built in bios leds |
| 16:58.19 | jelly | celyr2: depends on the bios. However, both grub and linux kernel will output to serial if asked nicelyt |
| 16:58.40 | jelly | this is probably a question for ##hardware |
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| 17:00.05 | jorb | so i patched to the 3.16.39-1+deb8u2 kernel on Monday, and now my CIFS mounts in my office aren't working.. any way to get back to the 3.16.39-1+deb8u1 |
| 17:00.30 | jorb | not entirely sure how the kernel could have caused that but that was the only package update that makes sense at this point |
| 17:00.52 | buu | jorb: did you actually remove the previous versions? |
| 17:00.59 | buu | Usually they're still installed and bootable |
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| 17:02.27 | jorb | buu: where? i just `sudo apt-get upgrade` |
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| 17:03.19 | buu | jorb: try dpkg -l | grep kernel-image |
| 17:03.31 | buu | er, linux-image |
| 17:04.31 | jorb | yeap just 2 packages one is the meta-package |
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| 17:04.45 | jelly | jorb: did you reboot into the newer kernel since, or not? |
| 17:04.52 | jorb | ye |
| 17:04.56 | jorb | yes* jelly |
| 17:05.49 | jelly | jorb: show what your mount command or fstab entry looks like, and what happens in dmesg and mount command output when you try mounting |
| 17:05.56 | jelly | !paste |
| 17:05.56 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 17:06.37 | jelly | jorb: as last resort, or temporary fix, you can find older versions of packages on snapshot.debian.org |
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| 17:08.04 | gospod2 | can someone here with nginx installed tell me what are the default user and group values in nginx+debian? |
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| 17:08.09 | jorb | thx jelly, its telling me "mount error(13): Permission denied" which is like a no-duh thing, but i just slightly suspected the kernel so... |
| 17:08.29 | jorb | don't really want to deubg this via IRC heh, just the kernel dealie |
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| 17:08.41 | jelly | nod |
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| 17:10.58 | xcin | hey folks |
| 17:11.08 | Papillon | hi |
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| 17:11.35 | xcin | i'm trying to use youtube-dl on jessie 8.7 |
| 17:11.53 | xcin | it won't work due to some bugs which the internet and the yt-dl site tell me have been fixed in subsequent version |
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| 17:12.04 | teraflops | xcin: from repos? my condolences |
| 17:12.12 | xcin | no i used apt-get |
| 17:12.18 | xcin | the jessie version is from 2014 |
| 17:12.28 | jelly | xcin: there's a build in jessie-backports |
| 17:12.29 | xcin | jessie-backports, stretch and sid have the current 2017 ver |
| 17:12.37 | xcin | how do i specify to install that one |
| 17:12.39 | jelly | dpkg, tell xcin about jessie-backports |
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| 17:13.35 | jhutchins_wk | buu: I worked with some Compaq desktops that would not work without a monitor. I was hoping to build a cluster with them, but the wouldn't boot headless. |
| 17:13.39 | jelly | (see the private message from dpkg, xcin) |
| 17:13.52 | xcin | thx |
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| 17:14.23 | xcin | can i specify to only use the backport version for this package or will i just start getting the unstable versions of everything i download if i add it to my sources.list |
| 17:15.05 | jelly | gospod2: probably runs as www-data:www-data like the other http servers are configured to |
| 17:15.23 | jhutchins_wk | xcin: Backports will only install specified packages + dependencies. |
| 17:15.26 | teraflops | xcin: if you install it with -t jessie-backports you'll be fine |
| 17:15.27 | gospod2 | jelly thx! |
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| 17:16.10 | jelly | xcin: no other packages from backports will get automatically installed or upgraded |
| 17:16.43 | jelly | it's made to be safe to use with jessie |
| 17:16.49 | xcin | I mean, if I add this just to get the new youtube-dl, and then I later install other packages |
| 17:17.15 | xcin | it'll keep doing the thing where it takes the backport preferentially to the stable build unless i remove backports from sources.list? |
| 17:17.18 | jelly | we know what you meant, telepathy works |
| 17:17.42 | xcin | I mean, I'm not worried about it low-key updating things I already have installed |
| 17:17.53 | SuperTramp83 | xcin, use pip for youtube-dl |
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| 17:18.01 | jelly | (and yes, once you've picked one package from jessie-backports, it and only it keeps getting upgraded from there if there's a newer one) |
| 17:18.19 | xcin | bash: pip: command not found |
| 17:18.39 | teraflops | xcin: don't use pip as root⦠|
| 17:18.40 | xcin | Oh okay I think I get it now. |
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| 17:19.09 | SuperTramp83 | xcin, u need to install it, and yes, no need to give it sudo, --user |
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| 17:20.13 | jelly | if you rely on youtube-dl to work every single second and absolutely cannot wait for backports to do their thing, then building from source (= pip) may be preferable |
| 17:20.47 | jelly | but for casual use, I suspect it doesn't get broken that often |
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| 17:21.12 | SuperTramp83 | jelly, it depends on the user case, ie which websites you need it for |
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| 17:21.51 | jhutchins_wk | xcin: You might read the backports web page. |
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| 17:22.53 | teraflops | well, from time to time ytdl gets a bit broken like failing miserably even for youtube site videos, I think that was jelly was talking about |
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| 17:24.08 | SuperTramp83 | teraflops, yeah, it does, some websites much more often than yt, say openload for instance :/ |
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| 17:35.35 | tw | Does pip pull from github? I usually git pull to update ytdl. |
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| 18:14.17 | teraflops | you can pip install git+https://github.com/⦠|
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| 18:16.27 | decci | Any idea what format does Debian installer accept for installing RAID driver during the Debian installation |
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| 18:16.57 | decci | I verified and got the right driver which is in .deb format . I want to load it during the installation tie |
| 18:16.59 | decci | time |
| 18:17.10 | Papillon | standard linux module? |
| 18:17.17 | newcoder | What's the difference between ubuntu and debian? Which one should someone use? |
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| 18:17.24 | Papillon | although I don't know how you would handle version differences |
| 18:18.09 | decci | The driver is megaraid_sas.x.x.deb |
| 18:18.19 | decci | I want to load it during the installation time |
| 18:18.35 | pgrunwald | http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/debian-vs-ubuntu-far-ubuntu-come-10-years/ |
| 18:18.37 | mtn | newcoder: you can find descriptions and reviews of distros at distrowatch.com |
| 18:19.23 | pgrunwald | https://www.debian.org/intro/about#what |
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| 18:20.05 | SerajewelKS | decci: you can try to 'dpkg -i' the file in the installer environment |
| 18:20.09 | jhutchins_wk | decci: That's an interesting question. You would actually have to load the driver into the installer. |
| 18:20.31 | SerajewelKS | decci: alt+F2 will take you to a shell, from there you can mount removeable media for example |
| 18:20.45 | SerajewelKS | alt+F1 will return to the installer. whether the .deb will work in this environment though... |
| 18:20.49 | decci | SerajewelKS: Can't it be load like driver disk |
| 18:20.54 | decci | *loaded |
| 18:21.04 | jhutchins_wk | decci: Not as a deb. |
| 18:21.19 | decci | SerajewelKS: Usually in RHEL or CentOS, we used driver disk to load RAID driver |
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| 18:21.45 | decci | jhutchins_wk: I was thinking of creating ISO out of .deb and allow installer to accept ot |
| 18:21.46 | SerajewelKS | the debian installer doesn't really have that mechanism. i assume you are thinking of windows installers where you can hit an F-key to interrupt the installer startup sequence and pull drivers off of a disk. |
| 18:22.01 | jhutchins_wk | decci: I take it the objective is to install Debian ON the raid? |
| 18:22.04 | SerajewelKS | decci: you can build a custom installer ISO with the .deb preloaded probably |
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| 18:22.36 | decci | SerajewelKS: That would be complete custom Debian ISO of 4 GB :) |
| 18:22.47 | SerajewelKS | decci: not using the netinstall? |
| 18:23.03 | decci | SerajewelKS: I have been using plain DVD 1 |
| 18:23.21 | decci | SerajewelKS: dpkg -i on alt terminal looks good to me |
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| 18:23.30 | SerajewelKS | decci: yeah i would try that first anyway |
| 18:23.32 | jhutchins_wk | decci: I have no idea if this is a sensible plan, but boot a live image, install the driver (to the live image), set up the raid, partition & format, install with debootstrap. |
| 18:24.00 | decci | jhutchins_wk: I am on Wheezy..does we have Live CD |
| 18:24.05 | SerajewelKS | decci: if it does work and you need to install on a lot of machines with the same hardware, a custom installer ISO might be beneficial. if it's a one-off, installing the driver in the installer shell is probably good enough. |
| 18:24.06 | Papillon | I remember linux installs where you could do add on drivers |
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| 18:24.22 | Papillon | I think |
| 18:24.33 | decci | SerajewelKS: Any link which talks about custom ISO. Last time I did that for FreeBSD |
| 18:24.39 | SerajewelKS | Papillon: you can with debian too, it's just not quite as streamlined as it is in more... "enterprisey" distros |
| 18:25.55 | SerajewelKS | decci: i've built custom ISOs but not custom installer ISOs so honestly i'm not sure where to look. i just know i've heard it discussed as an option before. |
| 18:25.57 | decci | SerajewelKS: TO verify that I have correct driver in place, I installed Wheezy on one of VM, installed megaraid_sas, it got installed well |
| 18:26.25 | SerajewelKS | decci: "debian custom installer iso driver" might not be a bad google query |
| 18:26.38 | SerajewelKS | you'll probably find people talking about your same situation |
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| 18:29.03 | tw | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CD |
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| 18:30.28 | SerajewelKS | decci: yeah that ^ :) |
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| 18:31.01 | SerajewelKS | decci: if your system supports booting from a USB drive, you could even use one of those and save yourself a DVD+-R |
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| 18:39.55 | pgrunwald | Hi - deb 9 stretch - I'm getting this in dmesg |
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| 18:40.04 | pgrunwald | [ 2.864369] EXT4-fs (sda1): couldn't mount as ext3 due to feature incompatibilities |
| 18:40.05 | pgrunwald | [ 2.864749] EXT4-fs (sda1): couldn't mount as ext2 due to feature incompatibilities |
| 18:40.05 | pgrunwald | [ 2.904019] EXT4-fs (sda1): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: |
| 18:40.05 | pgrunwald | fstab: |
| 18:40.05 | pgrunwald | UUID=92c956ec-b60e-4625-8eea-de7bb31e32b3 / ext4 errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
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| 18:41.03 | pgrunwald | sorry http://paste.debian.net/924159 |
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| 18:43.35 | pgrunwald | Not sure where it is picking up ext2 and ext3 to mount |
| 18:45.34 | Brigo | pgrunwald, ext4 is backward compatible with ext3 and ext2. |
| 18:45.52 | pgrunwald | search suggeted rootfstype=ext4 to kernal params but it sounded dangerouse |
| 18:45.58 | pgrunwald | ignore the error? |
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| 18:51.47 | jhutchins_wk | pgrunwald: I think it's safe to ignore, but it doesn't look normal (not on my D8 VM). Which release? |
| 18:51.56 | jhutchins_wk | pgrunwald: Ah, 9. |
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| 18:52.17 | jhutchins_wk | pgrunwald: You might ask about it in #devian-next on oftc.net - more stretch users there. |
| 18:52.26 | jhutchins_wk | #debian-next |
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| 19:03.47 | pgrunwald | jhutchins_wk: thx |
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| 19:43.59 | scotthanson | i install macchanger. log shows the mac is changed, but the checking ifconfig doesn't change anything. what goes wrong? |
| 19:45.07 | jhutchins_wk | scotthanson: Some hardware doesn't like mac spoofing. |
| 19:45.38 | jhutchins_wk | scotthanson: The real MAC is actually on the chipset. |
| 19:45.42 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_wk: i wonder how that hardware works (or doesn't) with bridging |
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| 19:46.00 | jhutchins_wk | SerajewelKS: Bridging is software (emulation). |
| 19:46.20 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_wk: right but it still requires sending out packets with a different source hwaddr, right? |
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| 19:46.43 | jhutchins_wk | SerajewelKS: The physical nic acts as a gateway. |
| 19:47.18 | SerajewelKS | right, but bridging doesn't use address translation |
| 19:48.06 | scotthanson | jhutchins_wk: get it. so actually no universal way to spoof mac addr right? |
| 19:49.53 | jhutchins_wk | scotthanson: I don't know for certain, and I don't know to what extent the physical address is detectable if you have a soft address. |
| 19:50.04 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_wk: i guess my point is that for bridging two interfaces to work, each interface needs to be able to send ethernet frames with a different hardware address than its own |
| 19:50.45 | jhutchins_wk | SerajewelKS: Ok. |
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| 19:50.53 | SerajewelKS | so it seems to me that if an interface cannot spoof MAC addresses then it can't be used in a bridge... right? |
| 19:51.24 | jhutchins_wk | SerajewelKS: Why can't it use it's physical address? |
| 19:51.26 | Poster | it doesn't spoof, it forwards |
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| 19:52.27 | scotthanson | understanable. thank you again for the explanation! |
| 19:52.38 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_wk: that would require hwaddr translation, right? how do you do the reverse mapping so replies can come back through? ethernet doesn't have ports or anything similar that could be used to reliably establish a reverse mapping. |
| 19:53.03 | SerajewelKS | basically NAT but with hw addresses instead of IP addresses. i can't see any way that could work correctly. |
| 19:53.05 | Poster | I think you're mixing up layer 2 with layer 3 |
| 19:53.12 | SerajewelKS | Poster: i'm not |
| 19:53.14 | Poster | think about what a network switch does |
| 19:53.22 | Poster | the ethernet frames are forwarded |
| 19:53.28 | jhutchins_wk | Think about what a hub does. |
| 19:53.32 | SerajewelKS | Poster: yes, i know this |
| 19:53.57 | SerajewelKS | so for an ethernet interface to be part of a bridge, it must be able to transmit ethernet frames with a different source hardware address than its own, yes? switches do this. |
| 19:54.08 | Poster | by your definition, do you consider a layer 3 switch as spoofing? |
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| 19:54.37 | Poster | the bridge goes into a learing state, when it sees no other active bridges it goes into a forwarding state |
| 19:54.59 | SerajewelKS | i think we are talking past each other |
| 19:55.30 | SerajewelKS | if bridge port A receives an ethernet frame that should be routed out bridge port B, the physical interface for bridge port B must be able to reproduce that ethernet frame without changing either hardware address, correct? |
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| 19:55.56 | Poster | bridging and routing are not the same thing |
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| 19:56.53 | Poster | This might help clear it up- https://community.openvpn.net/openvpn/wiki/BridgingAndRouting |
| 19:57.01 | SerajewelKS | Poster: if you are attaching the term routing to layer 3 then yes |
| 19:57.26 | Poster | routing means connecting disjoined networks |
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| 19:57.48 | Poster | that cannot talk to eachother otherwise |
| 19:57.49 | SerajewelKS | Poster: then substitute the word "forwarded" for "routed" in my previous statement |
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| 19:58.23 | Poster | ok yes bridge port B will retransmit was received on bridge port A |
| 19:58.56 | SerajewelKS | what if the physical ethernet hardware for bridge port B refuses to transmit packets except with its own hwaddr? |
| 19:59.06 | SerajewelKS | (source hwaddr, to be clear) |
| 19:59.17 | Poster | ok forwarding is not the same as being the origin |
| 19:59.22 | SerajewelKS | right |
| 19:59.32 | SerajewelKS | but does the physical hardware make this distinction? |
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| 19:59.56 | Poster | it has no idea, it could be a switch or hub or someting in between |
| 19:59.57 | SerajewelKS | how is the physical hardware to know the difference between a frame with a spoofed source hwaddr and a forwarded frame? |
| 20:00.06 | Poster | by the source mac address |
| 20:00.35 | SerajewelKS | but a forwarded frame will also have a different source mac address than the interface's own, yes? |
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| 20:00.49 | Poster | yeah the frame is not _originated_ on the bridge |
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| 20:01.15 | Poster | when you create a 2 port bridge, you add interfaces to it, we'll all it eth0 and eth1, they combine to form br0 for example, br0 will have it's own mac and if you wish you can assign an IP address to it and have IP connectivity |
| 20:01.20 | SerajewelKS | right, so my point is that if an ethernet network adapter refuses to transmit frames except with its own baked-in hwaddr, then it can't be used in a bridge, right? unless i am missing something? |
| 20:01.44 | SerajewelKS | right, i understand how it interacts with respect to layer 2 and 3. the bridge ports are individual layer 2 devices that combine into a single layer 3 device. |
| 20:01.48 | Poster | I have never heard of that being a thing, I've created bridges with all types of hardware on Linux and BSD |
| 20:01.56 | Poster | and a few times on Windows |
| 20:01.58 | SerajewelKS | layer 3 isn't important for this discussion, really |
| 20:02.10 | jhutchins_wk | I suspect that we may be thinking of two diffrent kinds of bridging here. |
| 20:02.23 | Papillon | a switch is a multiport bridge |
| 20:02.47 | jhutchins_wk | We have the kind where we combine interfaces for more bandwidth, and we have the kind that's used with a VM. |
| 20:02.47 | SerajewelKS | i'm just trying to grok "19:45 < jhutchins_wk> scotthanson: Some hardware doesn't like mac spoofing." <-- it seems if that is the case that this hardware also wouldn't be able to participate in bridging, and i've not heard of such a case (personally) |
| 20:02.54 | Papillon | a bridge just translates/interprets from one side to the other, I don't see why it would have to mirror the source mac |
| 20:03.16 | Poster | changing of mac address only impacts traffic which is originated from or destined to a device |
| 20:03.41 | Poster | it does impede the ability to forward layer 2 frames |
| 20:03.54 | Papillon | a network bridge doesn't mac spoof afaik |
| 20:04.00 | Poster | no it doesn't |
| 20:04.07 | Papillon | unless it's a transparent bridge I suppsoe |
| 20:04.09 | Papillon | suppose |
| 20:04.21 | Poster | well by definition a bridge is transparent :o |
| 20:04.25 | SerajewelKS | Poster: right. but it seems that if you change the hwaddr of a kernel network interface, the kernel should be able to simply send frames with a different source hwaddr. |
| 20:04.33 | Poster | you can do filtering with ebtables and iptables though |
| 20:04.36 | Papillon | a transparent bridge is transparent |
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| 20:04.41 | SerajewelKS | Poster: and the physical hardware doesn't really have anyway to tell if this is a spoofed or forwarded frame |
| 20:04.48 | Papillon | a non transparent bridge is a non transparent bridge |
| 20:05.02 | Poster | I put an ipless firewall between the Internet and a Windows VPN system many years ago, I got to use netfilter to screen it without putting a hop between it and the Internet |
| 20:05.15 | Papillon | all switches are multiport bridges and AFAIK most switches don't do mac spoofing unless you ask 'em real pretty like |
| 20:05.23 | Papillon | and if they're into that |
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| 20:05.25 | SerajewelKS | Poster: in other words, it seems to me that if the physical hardware is capable of being used in a software network bridge, it should also be able to be used to transmit spoofed ethernet frames |
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| 20:05.35 | Poster | SerajewelKS: the part I think you're hung up on is that the bridge does not change it's address when it forwards a frame, it remains the same |
| 20:05.56 | Poster | it doesn't originate the frames, it doesn't have to change it's mac address |
| 20:05.58 | Poster | go set one up and see |
| 20:06.04 | SerajewelKS | Poster: correct, but the physical interface doesn't know the difference between the two cases (spoofed frame vs forwarded frame) |
| 20:06.22 | SerajewelKS | Poster: both cases are "ethernet frame with a different source hwaddr from my own" |
| 20:06.27 | Poster | there is no spoofing going on |
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| 20:06.31 | Papillon | a non-transparent bridge doesn't spoof the mac |
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| 20:07.18 | Papillon | nic A with mac a sends to bridge port b with mac b, bridge sends it out port c with mac c, the packet has mac c as the source mac addy |
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| 20:07.42 | Papillon | that's a non transparent bridge |
| 20:08.12 | SerajewelKS | Papillon: that sounds a bit useless? how is the destination to know the origin mac address to direct replies? |
| 20:08.31 | Poster | the origin mac is forwarded, a bridge learns mac addresses and on which interface to send them |
| 20:08.42 | SerajewelKS | Poster: for a transparent bridge, yes |
| 20:08.52 | Poster | http://linuxcommand.org/man_pages/brctl8.html |
| 20:09.01 | Poster | "brctl showmacs" |
| 20:09.19 | SerajewelKS | what Papillon is describing a non-transparent bridge, where forwarded frames get their source hwaddrs changed each time they are forwarded |
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| 20:09.32 | SerajewelKS | i'm having trouble understanding conceptually how such a non-transparent bridge is useful |
| 20:09.36 | Poster | I don't think that counts as a bridge |
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| 20:09.48 | SerajewelKS | that's what i thought too |
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| 20:10.46 | SerajewelKS | Poster: so yeah, i do understand how transparent bridging works. to rephrase then, it seems that if a hardware ethernet interface is compatible with software-implemented transparent bridging (e.g. can transmit frames with an hwaddr different from its own), then it should also be able to transmit frames with a spoofed source hwaddr. right? |
| 20:11.17 | SerajewelKS | if not, i'm curious the mechanism that is able to detect forwarded vs source-spoofed frames |
| 20:11.18 | Poster | the mac on a bridge never, ever has to change, it forwards the entire frame, including the source and destination mac address |
| 20:11.36 | SerajewelKS | right |
| 20:11.47 | Poster | I do not understand why you're stuck on the idea of "spoofing" |
| 20:11.55 | SerajewelKS | because that was the question originally asked |
| 20:12.07 | Poster | there is no spoofing on a layer 2 bridge, it is forwarding |
| 20:12.34 | SerajewelKS | and my reply was something along the lines of "if it can be used in a bridge, it can be used to transmit spoofed frames" because both cases are the physical adapter transmitting a frame with a different source hwaddr than its own |
| 20:12.52 | SerajewelKS | i'm not saying they are the same, i'm saying hardware that can do one necessarily has to be able to do the other |
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| 20:13.28 | SerajewelKS | (when under the control of a software environment that is able to do both, anyway) |
| 20:13.32 | jhutchins_wk | This is really not on topic for #debian, I think there's a ##networking? |
| 20:13.50 | Poster | ok so when you have a NAT router connecting you to the internet, you ping 8.8.8.8, are you going under the assumption that your router is spoofing 8.8.8.8? |
| 20:13.53 | SerajewelKS | yeah it kind of spiraled from a misunderstanding |
| 20:14.05 | SerajewelKS | Poster: no, i am not talking about layer 3 at all |
| 20:14.28 | Poster | yeah I get that, I also get that you're using the term spoof and I am trying to get a better understanding as to what it means to you |
| 20:14.29 | SerajewelKS | layer 3 routers do not forward ethernet frames at all |
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| 20:14.49 | SerajewelKS | if you would like we can continue the discussion in a query? |
| 20:14.57 | Poster | nah I give up |
| 20:15.01 | Poster | set it up, I think you'll get it |
| 20:15.03 | Poster | best of luck |
| 20:15.45 | SerajewelKS | i have, i have two physical interfaces and a tinc VPN interface in a bridge with multiple ebtables/iptables rules and tc classes, it's not a new concept to me. i'm just relating two concepts and i think we are crossing wires. |
| 20:15.49 | SerajewelKS | no pun intended |
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| 20:32.21 | Papillon | I think paul ryan rip van winkeled for like 6 years because he's saying he thought the republicans were the minority in the last congress |
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| 20:33.23 | Papillon | or maybe it's a stepford wives thing, maybe he's a stepford wife |
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| 20:35.26 | Papillon | wrong window |
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| 20:36.05 | psf45 | Hello is there anyone who can please help me recovering ecryptfs from an external drive? |
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| 20:39.29 | SpeakerToMeat | Is there a searchable list of packages for 2.1 somewhere? |
| 20:39.46 | greycat | !archive |
| 20:39.46 | dpkg | it has been said that archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For the package archive, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
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| 20:40.19 | SpeakerToMeat | !snapshot |
| 20:40.20 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces snapshot.debian.net. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 20:40.31 | SpeakerToMeat | Meh only 2005 |
| 20:40.49 | TomTomTosch | that's not the archive. |
| 20:41.01 | SpeakerToMeat | Ah archive.debian.net |
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| 20:43.03 | SpeakerToMeat | Mein gots there's packages still avail |
| 20:44.28 | SpeakerToMeat | Did you know for 2.1 there was no /etc/networking and the interface settings where set and applied in /etc/init.d/networking ? |
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| 21:06.31 | Guest89224 | is it possible to replace android os with debian |
| 21:08.25 | Papillon | possibly if your phone can be jailbroken or whatever but I don't think it would still work as a phone |
| 21:08.33 | Papillon | or if it did it would be fairly torturous |
| 21:09.13 | Guest89224 | don't like chroot env cos you cant compile kernels etc |
| 21:10.00 | Guest89224 | i was wanting to install linux from android system recovery |
| 21:10.09 | Guest89224 | ie. a linux firmware |
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| 21:11.49 | Papillon | do you still want to use the device as a phone? |
| 21:11.52 | SpeakerToMeat | You would need to use the android provided kernel, and will lose almost every hardware functionality provided in the android stack. |
| 21:12.04 | randy1985 | so assuming its an extremely popular device, you can flash a rom to it and you don't care about it staying a phone, how torturous might it be? |
| 21:13.08 | SpeakerToMeat | Man I miss familiar linux a little |
| 21:13.11 | SpeakerToMeat | that an qpie |
| 21:13.34 | Guest89224 | its not a phone - an android box (mini pc) |
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| 21:19.37 | julius_ | hi |
| 21:19.56 | Papillon | hi |
| 21:20.03 | abff | hu |
| 21:20.14 | julius_ | need some input on a network card being recognized but not being useable, posted all the details here: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=132300 of course you dont have to answer there |
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| 21:23.01 | velix | Debian as its best... again: "10mount: mount: special device /home/root/ubuntu/scratch does not exist" |
| 21:23.15 | velix | somebody seems to have hardcoded /home/$USER |
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| 21:25.09 | fofo | hi |
| 21:25.34 | SerajewelKS | velix: what? |
| 21:25.57 | velix | SerajewelKS: Somebody seems to have hardcoded "/home/$USER" in a script. |
| 21:26.09 | velix | SerajewelKS: I'm running it as root and it tries to find /home/root |
| 21:26.09 | jelly | velix: it's unlikely a tool coming from debian has anything like "ubuntu/scratch" in the default config |
| 21:26.21 | SerajewelKS | velix: ah, right. umm, is this debian? |
| 21:26.30 | velix | jelly: Nah, I'm installing an ubuntu chroot to debian :) |
| 21:26.32 | sypher | Survey says... |
| 21:26.33 | fofo | I want to make a multi boot. Is the choice to use GUID for extended partition, MBR for system and GUID FOR personnal datas a good choice? |
| 21:26.50 | SerajewelKS | velix: what makes you think the problem is in the debian script and not the ubuntu script then? |
| 21:26.50 | velix | SerajewelKS: Yep, sbuild scripts. |
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| 21:27.16 | Papillon | mbr as in master boot record? |
| 21:27.18 | velix | SerajewelKS: It can't finish installing the chroot, since the directory can't be found. |
| 21:27.21 | SerajewelKS | velix: if there is a problem, consider creating a bug report instead of joining the channel just to complain about it? |
| 21:27.39 | velix | SerajewelKS: Normally, IRC is about discussion problem. |
| 21:27.41 | velix | problems* |
| 21:27.44 | SerajewelKS | velix: workaround with "sudo ln -s /root /home/root"? |
| 21:27.51 | velix | SerajewelKS: sure, or run as non-root. |
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| 21:28.32 | SerajewelKS | velix: not to put too fine a point on it, but starting your "question" (which you never asked) with "Debian as its best..." does not particularly indicate a good faith effort to discuss a problem |
| 21:28.44 | jelly | it's a rant |
| 21:28.54 | SerajewelKS | seems that way, yeah |
| 21:29.21 | velix | ;) |
| 21:29.21 | greycat | More of a bug report to the wrong place. |
| 21:29.37 | velix | I'll file a bug and maybe a patch. |
| 21:29.43 | jelly | dpkg, tell velix about reportbug |
| 21:29.52 | velix | jelly: I know reportbug. Used it a lot. |
| 21:30.06 | jelly | then you know what to do |
| 21:30.12 | velix | Since I'm using Jessie, it's outdated anyway. |
| 21:30.22 | SerajewelKS | IRC is better for "i'm having this weird problem, can someone help me diagnose it or figure out the appropriate package to file a bug" |
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| 21:30.34 | rca_connection | how much longer does my lennie live? |
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| 21:30.52 | rca_connection | lenny |
| 21:31.15 | rca_connection | silence isn't good |
| 21:31.17 | jelly | velix, if you want to do unconstructive rants and are not actually looking for tech support, perhaps #debian-offtopic is a more suitable place |
| 21:31.19 | rca_connection | lol |
| 21:31.26 | teraflops | nah irc is 70% idling 20% trolling and 10% support |
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| 21:31.45 | velix | jelly: ok ok ok ;) |
| 21:31.47 | jelly | rca_connection, read /msg dpkg lenny |
| 21:31.52 | rca_connection | I have a lenny running on a raq4i I am not trollin |
| 21:32.23 | velix | jelly: I am sorry. And I will NOT give a rant about grub2 scripts. |
| 21:32.54 | jelly | !slap velix |
| 21:32.55 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across velix's face |
| 21:33.12 | greycat | lenny is way beyond its end of life. |
| 21:33.24 | jelly | it's undead. |
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| 21:33.36 | jelly | an ex-release |
| 21:33.39 | rca_connection | hmm maybe I went to jessie |
| 21:33.52 | digdilem | nonsense, lenny's just asleep |
| 21:34.37 | rca_connection | dave studman would know |
| 21:34.38 | greycat | !lenny |
| 21:34.38 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on February 15th, 2009. Lenny security support ended on 2012-02-06, this release is no longer supported. Lenny users should upgrade to Squeeze, ask me about <lenny->squeeze>. Removed from the mirrors (2012-03-25), ask me about <lenny sources.list>. For old Lenny ISOs, ask me about <lenny iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120209 |
| 21:34.52 | SerajewelKS | i just got all my boxes on jessie last year |
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| 21:35.27 | SerajewelKS | i just realized how long i've been on debian. woody was the first release i installed. |
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| 21:36.55 | digdilem | my first version was woody (2.2). it#s come a long way (especially with the GUIs) since then |
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| 21:37.09 | SerajewelKS | digdilem: 2.2 was potato |
| 21:37.14 | digdilem | hand editing X config files for specific monitors wasn't fun |
| 21:37.18 | digdilem | oh r, potato. |
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| 21:37.49 | SerajewelKS | yeah i remember xfree86 fun |
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| 21:41.37 | teraflops | potato was a great release |
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| 21:46.42 | ws2k3 | how can i check in debian of DCA is enabled in the bios? |
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| 21:54.32 | towo` | ws2k3, dmesg | grep -i dca? |
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| 21:57.19 | ws2k3 | towo machine is already up pretty long so dmesg is full of crapp |
| 21:57.37 | towo` | that's why you should use grep |
| 21:57.53 | towo` | problems with reading what's written? |
| 21:58.00 | ws2k3 | towo` i know but when dmesg gets filled alot old stuff gets removed |
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| 21:58.08 | ws2k3 | so i cant see the boot proces anymore in dmesg |
| 21:59.38 | towo` | if you use systemd with persistent journal, journalctl -b | grep -i dca should do the job |
| 22:00.12 | ws2k3 | towo` no dmesg its debian 7 |
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| 22:00.35 | towo` | even with systemd there is dmesg |
| 22:00.48 | ws2k3 | no systemd i mean. cause its debian 7 |
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| 22:02.34 | bernhardr | I have an issue that i cant upgrade the kernel because the boot partition rootfs is about full.. What would be a good way to fix this ? |
| 22:02.52 | bernhardr | rootfs 322M 265M 41M 87% / |
| 22:03.03 | ws2k3 | Bercik clean up the rootfs? |
| 22:03.16 | ws2k3 | bernhardr clean up the rootfs? |
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| 22:04.23 | bernhardr | ws2k3 already tried apt-get clean |
| 22:04.40 | bernhardr | but space stays at 87% full |
| 22:05.06 | mtn | bernhardr: do you have more than one kernel installed? |
| 22:05.21 | bernhardr | i tried to find that out but seems not.. |
| 22:05.39 | mtn | bernhardr: "treid to find out"? |
| 22:05.45 | bernhardr | dpkg -l 'linux-image-*' |
| 22:05.45 | dpkg | ii 'linux-image-*' 3.1-1.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
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| 22:05.56 | bernhardr | as dpkg -l 'linux-image-*' |
| 22:06.16 | bernhardr | un linux-image-2. <none> (no description available) |
| 22:06.39 | bernhardr | that 9 times plus |
| 22:06.41 | bernhardr | ii linux-image-3. 3.2.84-2 i386 Linux 3.2 for modern PCs |
| 22:06.41 | bernhardr | ii linux-image-68 3.2+46 i386 Linux for modern PCs (meta-packag |
| 22:07.10 | towo` | ws2k3, is ioatdma loaded in your system? |
| 22:07.32 | somiaj | bernhardr: please use a pastebin for posts like that |
| 22:07.37 | bernhardr | ok |
| 22:08.15 | somiaj | also prefix with a COLUMNS=200 or similar so the names don't get cut off |
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| 22:09.54 | bernhardr | ws2k3 so it seems that only 1 kernel is installed. but actually i do not know what these lines mean. un linux-image-2. <none> (no description available) |
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| 22:10.45 | johnkeates | run ncdu -x / and you'll know where your space is |
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| 22:12.16 | bernhardr | johnkeates i know where the space is. but that is not the issue.. issue is that the boot partition is to small to upgrade to latest kernel.. rootfs 322M 265M 41M 87% / |
| 22:12.50 | johnkeates | make it bigger |
| 22:13.12 | bernhardr | Like this.. extract to '/lib/modules/3.2.0-4-686-pae/kernel/drivers/media/dvb/dvb-usb/dvb-usb-af9015.ko.dpkg-new': failed to write (No space left on device) |
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| 22:13.26 | johnkeates | that's not boot, that's root |
| 22:13.39 | johnkeates | also, just because it seems there's free space, doesn't mean there is |
| 22:13.45 | johnkeates | maybe you nave no more inodes |
| 22:13.49 | johnkeates | or the free space is reserved space |
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| 22:15.01 | Poster | it's also possible that unpacking the package is filling up what is left, on faiure it's removed |
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| 22:15.24 | Poster | I tend to keep my root filesystem small, kernel upgrades with all of their associated modules are usually what will fill it up |
| 22:15.28 | bernhardr | johnkeates Yes Root, thats the answer. Resize it.. now only 41 meg left so not enough space to extract. |
| 22:16.32 | johnkeates | don't extract |
| 22:16.35 | johnkeates | just resize it first |
| 22:16.41 | johnkeates | and then do your space-hungry stuff |
| 22:16.53 | bernhardr | but this is my production server, so i cant take a chance to mess it up with resizing, so i think i would need to free up space.. or clone the drive and test resizing. |
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| 22:17.06 | johnkeates | then what are you doing here |
| 22:17.12 | johnkeates | we can't fix your small disks magically :p |
| 22:17.46 | johnkeates | ncdu will give you a nice overview of what's where and how big it is |
| 22:17.54 | johnkeates | so you know what to delete to free up space |
| 22:17.59 | johnkeates | other than that you're screwed :p |
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| 22:18.11 | bernhardr | johnkeates funny, meaby you came here once for advise.. now you past that station and dont understand why other come for advice. |
| 22:18.20 | johnkeates | no |
| 22:18.37 | johnkeates | if you can't manage a production server you shouldn't be the one doing it |
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| 22:18.44 | mtn | looks for the magic wand |
| 22:18.47 | johnkeates | also, me, and others, gave you options |
| 22:18.51 | johnkeates | and you didn't like them |
| 22:19.22 | johnkeates | you either have to make more space or reclaim space |
| 22:19.26 | johnkeates | those are your options |
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| 22:21.15 | velix | Does Debian use auFS or overlayFS ? |
| 22:21.20 | johnkeates | no |
| 22:21.38 | johnkeates | unless you configure it to use it. by default it uses ext3/ext4 |
| 22:21.48 | johnkeates | it has support for many filesystems |
| 22:22.54 | randy1985 | what about ntfs? |
| 22:23.48 | johnkeates | yes, it supports that too |
| 22:23.59 | johnkeates | ntfs-3g is the best supported r/w option |
| 22:24.31 | velix | Anyone with an idea? I can find both on the web. |
| 22:25.00 | johnkeates | what do you mean with "an idea". A list of supported systems is here: a number of |
| 22:25.03 | johnkeates | https://wiki.debian.org/FileSystem |
| 22:25.05 | missmbob | ,v aufs-dkms |
| 22:25.06 | judd | Package: aufs-dkms on amd64 -- stretch: 4.9+20161219-1; sid: 4.9+20161219-2 |
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| 22:26.12 | velix | johnkeates: thanks. I've also found texts about OverlayFS. |
| 22:26.29 | johnkeates | good |
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| 22:26.43 | johnkeates | isn't sure what the deal is here, but as long as they're happy it's fine. |
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| 22:28.13 | bernhardr | Johnkeates must have voted for Trump .. i sense the same empathy in his manners.. |
| 22:28.37 | johnkeates | lol, i'm glad i don't live in the USA, i'd have to deal with that shitshow politics of theirs |
| 22:28.54 | SerajewelKS | this isn't the appropriate channel for political discussions |
| 22:28.55 | missmbob | please leave politics out of #debian |
| 22:29.16 | Aleric | Hi - I'm using a multi-monitor setup (three monitors). Ever since I upgraded to Xenial, *every* X application suffers from a complete graphical-update freeze; that is, the application keeps running normally but the window isn't updated anymore unless I move the mouse between windows or some such (and then they are only updated once). The only way to recover a window in this state is to close it and restart the application :/ |
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| 22:29.43 | Aleric | This seems a very serious issue, so I was wondering if there is anything known about it :/. |
| 22:29.58 | missmbob | Aleric: please ask the #ubuntu people |
| 22:29.58 | SerajewelKS | !ubuntu |
| 22:29.58 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 22:29.59 | johnkeates | ubuntu isn't debian |
| 22:30.11 | Aleric | Oh.. right :/ |
| 22:30.23 | johnkeates | yeah.. sorry, that's the channel rules |
| 22:30.43 | Aleric | I suppose this freeze isn't known for debian? |
| 22:31.09 | johnkeates | no, it hasn't happened here |
| 22:31.28 | Aleric | well - I'll try asking on #ubuntu .. |
| 22:31.56 | SerajewelKS | Aleric: not that we're hostile to ubuntu, but there's nothing we can do for you. even if we experienced the same issue, there is no guarantee the fix for debian is the same as the fix for ubuntu. |
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| 22:46.06 | Skaag | I just finished dd'ing an 8gb partition from one small drive to a larger drive, how do I make it use the newly available space on the new drive? |
| 22:46.15 | Skaag | I tried resize2fs but see no change in the partition size |
| 22:46.48 | Skaag | i'm guessing resize2fs only does it on the filesystem level, not the partition level |
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| 22:48.09 | Skaag | ok parted seems to be able to do that |
| 22:50.36 | SerajewelKS | Skaag: resize2fs only resizes to fill the partition |
| 22:50.46 | SerajewelKS | Skaag: you need to extend the partition before running resize2fs |
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| 22:52.22 | SerajewelKS | Skaag: so yes, resize2fs only resizes filesystems. it does not resize partitions. that's the job for fdisk and friends. but yes, parted/gparted can do both. |
| 22:52.39 | SerajewelKS | (they'll resize the partition and then invoke resize2fs for you) |
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| 22:55.20 | Skaag | yah parted did a good job |
| 22:55.43 | Skaag | now I'll try again but without removing sdb2 and sdb5, and see if it can still somehow resize sdb1 to fill the disk |
| 22:55.59 | SerajewelKS | i have a CD sitting around with gparted live (a debian-based live CD). i use it a lot for partition editing and data recovery. gparted is pretty slick. |
| 22:56.20 | SerajewelKS | i remember back when partitionmagic really seemed like magic. nowadays, gparted can do pretty much all the same stuff and is better at it. |
| 22:56.24 | Skaag | nope, "Error: Can't have overlapping partitions" |
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| 22:56.43 | SerajewelKS | Skaag: i hope these partitions are not mounted |
| 22:56.48 | Skaag | they aren't |
| 22:56.57 | Skaag | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/a4tEx4vE/ |
| 22:57.09 | missmbob | !gparted iso |
| 22:57.09 | dpkg | i guess gparted iso is live cd to manage partitions http://gparted.org/livecd.php |
| 22:57.26 | Skaag | I think 2 and 5 are really the same one, and it's just a swap partition |
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| 22:59.04 | SerajewelKS | Skaag: no, 2 is an extended partition |
| 22:59.22 | SerajewelKS | Skaag: a disk is allowed to have at most one extended partition, which contains every logical partition |
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| 22:59.59 | SerajewelKS | Skaag: primary partitions are numbered 1-4, logical partitions are numbered starting at 5. a disk can have at most 4 physical partitions. an extended partition is a physical partition that contains logical partitions. |
| 23:00.09 | SerajewelKS | Skaag: so the extended partition must necessarily overlap every logical partition |
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| 23:00.44 | Skaag | right I guess I meant that seeing as 5 is the only one within 2, and seems to take up the entire space allowed within 2, they are basically the same block of data |
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| 23:00.56 | SerajewelKS | Skaag: if you want to extend partition 1 then you must move partition 2/5 somewhere else, because they immediately follow it. | partition 1 | partition 5 | free space | |
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| 23:01.24 | SerajewelKS | Skaag: the easiest solution is disable swap (swapoff -a), delete partitions 5 and 2, recreate them at the end of the disk, then extend partition 1. |
| 23:01.37 | Skaag | that's what I did |
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| 23:02.03 | Skaag | now I need to figure out the new UUID to replace the old one in /etc/fstab of the new drive |
| 23:02.18 | SerajewelKS | Skaag: if you dd'd the partition, i don't think the UUID changed |
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| 23:02.47 | Skaag | I erased 2 and 5 and created a new type 82 (linux swap) partition to replace the old (and too small) swap partition |
| 23:02.49 | tw | the swap partition uuid has changed for sure. |
| 23:02.54 | Skaag | yah, I'm sure it has |
| 23:02.57 | SerajewelKS | Skaag: oh, the swap's UUID. yes. |
| 23:03.03 | tw | it doesn't have a puid. |
| 23:03.28 | tw | (because it isn't gpt) |
| 23:03.35 | Skaag | ah |
| 23:04.20 | tw | lsblk will give you the UUID after you mkswap /dev/something5 |
| 23:04.47 | Skaag | yah, mkswap actually printed out the new uuid |
| 23:04.50 | SerajewelKS | parted probably already did mkswap for you |
| 23:04.54 | tw | Convenient. |
| 23:04.58 | SerajewelKS | but yeah, doesn't hurt to just do it again |
| 23:05.45 | Skaag | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/mhTxC0rR/ |
| 23:06.22 | Skaag | that last line is weird, I mean I'm looking at the original drive, and the / fs is on /dev/sda1 and yet that last line in fstab shows some usb0 media device |
| 23:06.27 | Skaag | I think I can safely remove that line |
| 23:06.37 | tw | I'd comment it out. |
| 23:06.53 | Skaag | I only need the two lines beginning with UUID, right? |
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| 23:07.45 | SerajewelKS | yeah |
| 23:07.52 | SerajewelKS | assuming the UUIDs are correct |
| 23:08.15 | Skaag | I know for sure the swap uuid is correct (the new one) |
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| 23:10.30 | tw | because of the way you did it, I doubt the bootloader needs to be updated, but it's another thing you need to be mindful of in this kind of change. |
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| 23:23.37 | Skaag | I'll verify this to be certain - how do I find the uuid of the existing root partition? |
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| 23:26.12 | hicks_ | if you know which device the root partition is on, /dev/disk/by-uuid/ has uuid to devices |
| 23:26.45 | hicks_ | also blkid |
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| 23:33.20 | Kobaz | apt-file ceph-deploy |
| 23:33.38 | Kobaz | apt ceph-deploy |
| 23:33.49 | Kobaz | pokes apt |
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| 23:42.18 | Kobaz | dpkg: file search |
| 23:43.40 | Kobaz | izza not working |
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| 23:46.55 | buu | is there some way from debian to ask which disks are connected to which hba? |
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| 23:48.12 | Kobaz | probably something in /proc or /sys |
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| 23:48.52 | Kobaz | your dmesg should have some info as well |
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| 23:50.12 | buu | that's a tad vague |
| 23:50.28 | Kobaz | it depends on your driver, really |
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| 23:51.03 | buu | they're lsi sas2008 type cards |
| 23:52.05 | Kobaz | hwinfo may give you a clue |
| 23:52.11 | Kobaz | hwinfo --disk |
| 23:52.15 | Kobaz | it does show attachments |
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| 23:52.50 | Kobaz | 26: IDE 400.0: 10600 Disk Serial ID: "S12RNEAD359797Y" Device File: /dev/sde Attached to: #16 (SATA controller) |
| 23:53.53 | Kobaz | it doesn't seem to line up with the pci list though |
| 23:54.01 | Kobaz | my pci item 17 is my disk controller |
| 23:54.08 | Kobaz | and i don't have a 16 |
| 23:54.09 | Kobaz | hwinfo --pci |
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| 23:54.28 | Kobaz | maybe it's an off-by-1 issue |
| 23:54.40 | Kobaz | buu: see if that works for you |
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| 23:56.34 | Kobaz | the numbers definitely don't match up, but if you have different cards you can tell by the name of the card |
| 23:57.02 | Kobaz | i'm looking at my storage server that's got a few cards and it shows different attachments, and i can tell which one is which since i have three different model cards |
| 23:57.17 | Kobaz | if you have the same model card you can probably call by irq, and then figure out which pci slot is taking which irq |
| 23:58.05 | Kobaz | bit of a shame that the attachment # has no bearing with respect to any other data that i see.... if you're feeling up to it you can submit a bug report to hwinfo |