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| 00:14.12 | michelb | i downloaded screen_away.pl in /home/michelb/.irssi/scripts/autorun/screen_away.pl and when i do script load screen_away.pl nothing happens... i am not away in the room!! what am i doeing wrong? |
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| 00:22.34 | bernhardr | jmcnaught yes i can have both ssd connected at the same time.. for cloning i booted from usb stick with clonezilla and then cloned disk to disk (so had to have both connected). |
| 00:22.34 | jmcnaught | michelb: permission denied when you do what where? |
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| 00:23.15 | bernhardr | jmcnaught but connecting both disk now and boot from one of those might screw things up ? |
| 00:23.26 | michelb | jmcnaught: if i don't do sudo scirpt load i get 'cannot open load : permission denied |
| 00:24.04 | pclover | I have kind of an odd issue maybe somebody can help out with. I have a very old machine that has a SiS 191 Ethernet controller. The kernel buffer says it's negolated 1000 Mbps but ethtool only says 100 Mbps and it has strange network issues. |
| 00:24.13 | jmcnaught | michelb: is the script a file in your home directory? |
| 00:24.24 | michelb | yes |
| 00:24.31 | pclover | The Ethernet controller is crappy crappy imo and it's a machine were it really can't be replaced. |
| 00:24.40 | pclover | Perhaps the only solution is just to get something more modern to replace it? |
| 00:24.41 | jmcnaught | michelb: fix the permissions on the file, don't use sudo |
| 00:24.51 | michelb | ok i'll trie |
| 00:24.53 | michelb | thanks |
| 00:25.35 | jmcnaught | michelb: "ls -l" shows owner and group. chown and chmod to change ownership and permission |
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| 00:26.08 | michelb | so i do chmod 777 screen_away.pl |
| 00:26.19 | michelb | ? |
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| 00:27.06 | pclover | michelb, you shouldn't use 777 permissions for everything just as a fyi. |
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| 00:28.25 | michelb | pclover: ok thanks |
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| 00:28.56 | jmcnaught | michelb: i would delete everything in ~/.irssi/scripts/autorun, install the irssi-scripts package, then for each script you want to use run (as your user, not root) "ln -s /usr/share/irssi/scripts/screen_away.pl ~/.irssi/scripts/autorun" |
| 00:29.03 | jmcnaught | bah |
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| 00:30.51 | pclover | perhaps i should just replace it anyway since it is a giant pile of crap lol |
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| 00:35.31 | pazof | hello, is there any #deb or #packaging channel by there? |
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| 00:37.56 | pazof | to me, nuget is available from stable @version 2.8.1. "nuget update -Self" could update the installed cil image. Isn't this breaking the debian packaging rules of conduite? |
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| 00:41.49 | bubbely | i just installed debian and my wlan0 is not appearing.. this is an asus x205t and ifollowed the instructions here https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Asus/X205TA |
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| 00:41.51 | bubbely | help! |
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| 00:42.33 | pazof | find your micro code, put it on an usb key |
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| 00:42.44 | pazof | and use it @ startup |
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| 00:43.18 | bubbely | pazof: me ? |
| 00:43.28 | pazof | I think yes |
| 00:43.35 | omenius | Hello. I'm trying to resize my partition as I extended my logical volume, but I'm getting confusing results with fdisk. I created a short paste showing it: https://paste.ubuntu.com/24271280/ |
| 00:44.02 | bubbely | pazof: what is a microcode |
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| 00:44.13 | bazhang | omenius, for ubuntu? |
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| 00:44.22 | omenius | yeah |
| 00:44.46 | bazhang | omenius, why crosspost it here, this debian support |
| 00:44.52 | newcoder | NO unicode character support in gnome-terminal, why? |
| 00:45.29 | newcoder | locale -a = http://dpaste.com/33V8Q7R |
| 00:45.34 | omenius | Sorry mate, I like this channel more :D |
| 00:45.48 | pazof | bubbely: the binary and proprietary code that starts your WIFI card |
| 00:46.10 | pazof | (Broadcom 43341) |
| 00:47.05 | newcoder | Doesn't show unicode characters, why? |
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| 00:48.26 | newcoder | gnome-terminal>profile preference>Compatibility>Character>UTF-8 |
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| 00:51.57 | newcoder | Can anyone answer? |
| 00:52.22 | bazhang | newcoder, your amsg crosspost? |
| 00:52.39 | jmcnaught | newcoder: Terminal > Set Character Encoding |
| 00:52.50 | bazhang | newcoder, be patient in the multiple channels you just posted that to |
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| 00:53.23 | newcoder | jmcnaught: Yes, UTF-8 unicode is in character set, I think |
| 00:53.32 | newcoder | gnome-terminal>profile preference>Compatibility>Character>UTF-8 |
| 00:53.44 | bubbely | stupid firmware needs internet to install and its an internet driver =[ |
| 00:54.01 | jmcnaught | newcoder: did you look under the terminal menu in gnome-terminal? |
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| 00:54.56 | JotaMG | hi! is there a irc channel for kfreebsd flavor ?? |
| 00:55.01 | newcoder | jmcnaught: Edit>Profile preference>Compatibility>Character>UTF-8 |
| 00:55.34 | jmcnaught | newcoder: uhmmm⦠yeah i know you said that. please look to the right of the edit menu and find the terminal menu |
| 00:56.02 | JotaMG | I need the command to format a ufs partition? |
| 00:56.36 | jmcnaught | JotaMG: there's #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net |
| 00:56.47 | newcoder | jmcnaught: Terminal>Character encoding>UTF-8(Unicode) |
| 00:57.00 | newcoder | What is kbsd in #debian-kbsd? |
| 00:57.15 | jmcnaught | kernel from bsd |
| 00:57.48 | jmcnaught | https://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ the IRC channel is listed there too ⺠|
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| 00:58.05 | JotaMG | ok thanks! |
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| 01:01.40 | bubbely | https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=firmware-b43-installer <- how can i use this firmware without access to the inter |
| 01:01.42 | bubbely | internet* |
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| 01:07.17 | newcoder | How can I get UTF-16 support in terminal? |
| 01:08.45 | newcoder | u'26b5 , it looks it's utf-16 |
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| 01:11.47 | bubbely | anyone here |
| 01:12.29 | bazhang | yes |
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| 01:18.19 | bubbely | bazhang: im following these (https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Asus/X205TA) directions exactly and i still dont have my wifi device functioninig |
| 01:18.45 | bazhang | whats the chipset |
| 01:19.08 | bubbely | Broadcom 43341 |
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| 01:19.35 | bazhang | what driver did you install |
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| 01:20.07 | bubbely | https://android.googlesource.com/platform/hardware/broadcom/wlan/+archive/master/bcmdhd/firmware/bcm43341.tar.gz |
| 01:20.23 | bubbely | i moved it over to /lib/firmware/brcm/ |
| 01:20.26 | bazhang | android? |
| 01:20.44 | bubbely | do i need to take another step to tell linux to use the driver |
| 01:20.49 | bazhang | thats so NOT how to install the drivers |
| 01:20.54 | bubbely | oh |
| 01:20.56 | bubbely | how can i |
| 01:21.24 | bazhang | why would you imagine an android tar was a good source for that |
| 01:21.31 | bubbely | its not an android tar |
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| 01:21.35 | bubbely | its just hosted on an android site |
| 01:22.08 | bazhang | did you see the exact debian wiki on installing for that |
| 01:22.25 | bubbely | https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Asus/X205TA |
| 01:22.28 | bubbely | thats where i got the link |
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| 01:25.51 | bubbely | bazhang: still with me? |
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| 01:27.12 | pazof | bubbely: there are 1636 connections to this channel, don't ask to ask, just ask |
| 01:27.27 | bubbely | pazof: i asked already! |
| 01:27.36 | pazof | it's a firmware, non free. It cannot be included in the main repo |
| 01:27.56 | pazof | google code or wathever source is the good one |
| 01:28.03 | pazof | it's a firmware |
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| 01:28.42 | bubbely | pazof: i installed that firmware and still no go |
| 01:29.18 | pazof | you did extracted the file in the rigth location? |
| 01:29.28 | bubbely | ya |
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| 01:30.28 | pazof | you also installed the nvram file? |
| 01:30.36 | bubbely | yea |
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| 01:32.26 | pazof | dmesg dosn't help? |
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| 01:32.39 | pazof | +e |
| 01:32.51 | bubbely | what is dmesg |
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| 01:33.15 | pazof | a command to view startup sequence |
| 01:33.58 | newcoder | How can I see unicode character like u'26b5 in terminal? http://dpaste.com/35KRPTY |
| 01:34.09 | bubbely | pazof: how do i run dmesg |
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| 01:34.29 | bubbely | pazof: what must i do s othat debian uses that driver? i have other drivers installed |
| 01:35.15 | bazhang | so they are conflicting |
| 01:35.27 | bazhang | you just kept adding drivers |
| 01:35.52 | bubbely | well this is a new install that was supposed to be "firmware" included |
| 01:36.11 | bazhang | no debian has that |
| 01:36.17 | bubbely | firmware-8.7.1-amd64-netinstr.iso |
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| 01:36.20 | bazhang | what distro are you using |
| 01:36.33 | bubbely | debian |
| 01:36.36 | rivdo | Client: HexChat 2.12.4 ⢠OS: Debian 9.0 ⢠CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-3110M CPU @ 2.40GHz (1.22GHz) ⢠Memory: 11.4 GiB Total (9.7 GiB Free) ⢠Storage: 62.4 GB / 159.9 GB (97.5 GB Free) ⢠VGA: Intel Corporation 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller @ Intel Corporation 3rd Gen Core processor DRAM Controller ⢠Uptime: 8m 40s |
| 01:36.38 | bubbely | someone from this channel sent me to use it |
| 01:36.41 | rivdo | @... |
| 01:38.27 | bubbely | bazhang: how do i tell debian which firmware to use actively |
| 01:39.23 | bazhang | bubbely, so you got some custom created iso, and then added various outside drivers as well |
| 01:40.01 | bazhang | bubbely, where did you download that iso from, give us a link |
| 01:40.49 | missmbob | it's not "some custom iso". it's mentioned in the debian install manual |
| 01:40.52 | missmbob | !firmware iso |
| 01:40.52 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
| 01:41.15 | bubbely | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 01:41.27 | bazhang | yikes |
| 01:41.52 | bazhang | and the iso has all the firmware already there |
| 01:42.05 | missmbob | debian install guide links it. the only difference is it includes non-free which the main one cannot |
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| 01:43.29 | awal1 | bazhang, "all the firmware" available when jessie release |
| 01:43.39 | missmbob | and none of broadcom |
| 01:43.49 | bazhang | heh great |
| 01:44.50 | missmbob | best way is to plug that machine in then use apt-get to install firmware-brcm80211 and firmware-misc-nonfree then reboot |
| 01:45.02 | bubbely | no suhc opporuntity missmbob, it doesn't have an ethernet plug |
| 01:45.16 | bubbely | anyway: bazhang: can u tell me how to tell debian to use the firmware i installed ? |
| 01:45.26 | missmbob | download then manually from packages.debian.org and move then over via usb and dpkg -i to install |
| 01:46.19 | awal1 | I meant if the firmware is produced after the release of jessie, Jessie, since unofficial images are stable specific, won't support it |
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| 01:46.52 | decci | Hi |
| 01:47.33 | decci | I want to pass megaraid_sas driver to Debian OS during the installation |
| 01:47.49 | decci | I have that driver in the form of. Deb |
| 01:47.57 | decci | How to achieve that |
| 01:48.22 | decci | Do I need to follow any format |
| 01:48.54 | cliluw | I am making a Debian package foo that depends on another Debian package bar. Is it ok for foo to overwrite one of bar's files? |
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| 01:49.02 | bubbely | missmbob: i have the firmware installed, i just need to know hwo to set it as my driver |
| 01:49.14 | decci | I tested that driver by installing it on wheezy running on VM and it did get install |
| 01:49.18 | missmbob | cliluw: no. never |
| 01:49.29 | cliluw | missmbob: What should I do instead? |
| 01:49.35 | missmbob | bubbely: doesnt work like that. firmware has to match your kernel version. you must use debian's |
| 01:49.44 | decci | So that's the right driver but I am not sure how to pass it to the installer |
| 01:49.49 | missmbob | cliluw: uh, not overwrite |
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| 01:50.02 | bubbely | missmbob: so, if i have hte firmware on the hd, in the firmware folder, it gets used? |
| 01:50.42 | missmbob | bubbely: if it can. if it doesnt match it wont. you wont know until you reboot and it checks again. or you can do it the debian way |
| 01:50.50 | cliluw | missmbob: foo needs that file to be overwritten for some of its functionality. The file that comes with bar is a sample file. |
| 01:50.54 | bubbely | missmbob: the debian way? |
| 01:50.55 | decci | Any idea |
| 01:51.13 | missmbob | bubbely: i told you the packages you need to manually download and install. pay attention |
| 01:51.49 | bubbely | this: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/firmware-b43-installer ? |
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| 01:57.08 | bubbely | ok im download broadcom-wl-5.11.138.tar.bz2 |
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| 01:57.18 | bubbely | the file firmware b43 tries to download from dpkg |
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| 02:00.43 | bubbely | how do i know where to put these files |
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| 02:22.13 | bubbely | hi. im having trouble gettting my wifi working ---- anyone able to help? i tried following these instructions https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Asus/X205TA but still not working |
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| 02:29.43 | bubbely | what can i put after lsmod to pause the screen as it fills to the bottom with the otpion to press a buttom to go to the next screen |
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| 02:33.56 | r0ph | Hey all. I'm having a super strange issue with a production Debian server of ours. All of a sudden Apache gives a permission 403 error, and none of our commands are working from the command line. Even simple things like ls. |
| 02:34.16 | r0ph | ls doesn't work, but for some reason tab completion is still working |
| 02:34.27 | r0ph | and it looks like /etc's files vanished |
| 02:34.39 | r0ph | wtf could cause that? |
| 02:34.41 | bubbely | anyone able to help me get wifi working on my debian laptop |
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| 02:37.39 | boser | r0ph: have you the task 'Akonadie' an 'Nepomuk' running? -- Because it lok like, that your server is working in the background many thinks. |
| 02:38.00 | boser | <akronadiw |
| 02:38.11 | bubbely | is it possible to put all 3 of the big CDs on a 1 usb stick |
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| 02:39.51 | Verity | what is debian like |
| 02:39.56 | Verity | coming from arch |
| 02:40.50 | boser | bubbely: switch on your WiFi. why your are not using the net installation? That's only a CD (700MB). |
| 02:41.52 | bubbely | boser: live cd ? |
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| 02:42.27 | r0ph | boser: No idea. I can't view any processes |
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| 02:42.42 | boser | yes, some bits. not 3 CD/DVD: :-) |
| 02:43.10 | boser | r0ph: what is the most powerful process? |
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| 02:44.17 | Verity | what is debian like, coming from other distros? |
| 02:44.19 | r0ph | boser: Like, what should it be? MySQL. |
| 02:44.36 | r0ph | Usually takes up like 100gb+ ram |
| 02:44.51 | r0ph | and interestingly enough, i can still connect to the mysql service remotely |
| 02:45.18 | r0ph | but no shell command works, and I can't login via SSH. It immediately kicks me off as soon as I enter my username. |
| 02:45.47 | r0ph | One user still had a SSH session open. That's how we know that no commands are working |
| 02:46.34 | boser | Verity: the most, powerful Operational System, i ever see. It is easy to install and to mantain. It is all you need. |
| 02:47.16 | boser | r0ph: what say the log's? |
| 02:47.37 | r0ph | I can't view anything. No commands are working. |
| 02:47.37 | boser | s/say/said |
| 02:47.42 | Verity | can someone tell me |
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| 02:48.05 | r0ph | Like, I can't open up a new SFTP connection, or use any command line tool to view any kind of log |
| 02:48.20 | r0ph | the only reason we know that etc is empty is because tab completion is still working for some strange reason |
| 02:48.21 | boser | Verity: what you are looking for? |
| 02:48.33 | Verity | can I get, kde plasma, cutecom, visual studio code, codelite, qt-creator, mc8051lide on this debian? |
| 02:49.04 | Verity | also, is debian a good os for a developer |
| 02:49.12 | boser | Verity: try! |
| 02:50.05 | boser | r0ph: hm??? still thinking. |
| 02:50.27 | r0ph | boser: Yeah. This is very bad. It's a production server too. I've never seen anything like this happen before. |
| 02:50.52 | r0ph | And even more strange that I can still connect to MySQL through TCPIP remotely |
| 02:51.02 | r0ph | so it's working... sort of... but not the basics |
| 02:51.43 | theraspberry | hi, I'm trying to get chromium to let me add my own plugins after this https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=856183 change. But I'm not having any luck with the adding my source file in /etc/chromium.d/ . I add the source and it does show up when I run it, but there is an extra --disable-extentions-except flag on the end of the main thread entry in htop. And I have a feeling that is causing my |
| 02:51.44 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/856183 in src:chromium-browser (open): «chromium: safe or unsafe defaults»; severity: important; opened: 2017-02-26; last modified: 2017-03-27. |
| 02:51.44 | theraspberry | problem. |
| 02:52.03 | Verity | oh no |
| 02:52.07 | Verity | lots of bugs on debian? |
| 02:52.38 | theraspberry | Verity: is there a build for visual studio code for linux? |
| 02:52.52 | theraspberry | (ive never heard of it.) |
| 02:53.36 | theraspberry | you use arch? if you've used arch you should be fine lol. |
| 02:53.37 | yokisuci | theraspberry: Yeah,visual studio code is avalible for Linux ^^ |
| 02:54.11 | theraspberry | "lots of bugs" doesn't make sence to me. There are bugs for all software. |
| 02:54.18 | theraspberry | yokisuci: heh, thanks :p |
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| 02:54.42 | Verity | https://code.visualstudio.com/Download |
| 02:54.45 | yokisuci | theraspberry: you're welcome :) |
| 02:54.56 | Verity | looks like debian |
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| 02:54.58 | Verity | ok |
| 02:54.59 | boser | r0ph: hm??? still thinking. let my make a status report: 1. The System is running, but no output of the apatch server. 2. No ssh connection can be make. 3.No consol command are work, due of no reation. -- That's ??????? |
| 02:55.00 | Verity | what distro |
| 02:55.02 | Verity | has the MOST packages |
| 02:55.05 | Verity | it seems like debian? |
| 02:55.09 | Verity | for example |
| 02:55.11 | theraspberry | I also run stretch, the next version of debian so I expect to have bugs. |
| 02:55.17 | Verity | when I need to find a package not in my repo of my distro |
| 02:55.21 | Verity | the format is never arch |
| 02:55.23 | Verity | thats annoying |
| 02:55.26 | Verity | but its often rpm and deb |
| 02:55.32 | Verity | perhaps I should pick those |
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| 02:55.54 | pi__ | pian |
| 02:56.00 | r0ph | boser: That's mostly right, yes. |
| 02:56.24 | r0ph | Apache is giving a 403 Forbidden error |
| 02:56.29 | r0ph | "You don't have permission to access / on this server." |
| 02:56.53 | r0ph | It's like all configs were wiped. Which would make sense since /etc seems to be empty now |
| 02:57.24 | yokisuci | Verity:When it comes to most packages, I would say Ubuntu. But arch has AUR.When it comes to stability, i would say Debian. |
| 02:57.27 | bubbely | boser: live cd isnt booting - advice? |
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| 02:58.13 | boser | bubbely: read. i spoke about a net installation. |
| 02:58.29 | bubbely | boser: link please |
| 02:58.59 | r0ph | As soon as I enter a username in a new SSH connection through PuTTY, it kicks me out with a "Server unexpectedly closed network connection" message. This is bad. Very bad. |
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| 03:00.52 | boser | bubbely: read an cry. https://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 03:01.12 | bubbely | k making a usb |
| 03:02.17 | boser | r0ph: is the SSH deamon running on the server, and have you any firewall between you and the server? |
| 03:02.43 | bubbely | boser: doesn't load |
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| 03:03.09 | boser | bubbely: what! |
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| 03:03.28 | bubbely | :( |
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| 03:04.11 | newcoder | Is tehre any debian live dvd? |
| 03:04.13 | bubbely | the way i got my other iso loaded was putting a custom 32bit efi file in the efi folder |
| 03:04.56 | yokisuci | newcoder: Yep! https://www.debian.org/CD/live/ |
| 03:05.15 | bubbely | yokisuci: it wont boot on my asus x205t laptop .... any idea why ? |
| 03:05.23 | boser | bubbely: more words are funny. go ahead and explain, ahat you mean with 'doesn't load'. your gun or what. |
| 03:05.53 | yokisuci | bubbely: No idea. :( Won't it even boot into the GRUB? Or does it fail when starting X? |
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| 03:06.06 | newcoder | Can we install debian from live dvd? |
| 03:06.08 | bubbely | yokisuci not boots into grub |
| 03:06.39 | bubbely | boser: I put the USB in.. then i turn on the laptop.. then i pick the usb drive to boot from and it just restarts |
| 03:07.00 | yokisuci | bubbely: Have you checked this? https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Asus/X205TA What did you use to write the ISO to USB? |
| 03:07.34 | bubbely | yokisuci: i read that - i think i need to use supergrub |
| 03:07.47 | boser | i use for this 'dd' and it works. ;-) |
| 03:08.06 | bubbely | yokisuci: i tried rufus - w32diskimager and unetbootin |
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| 03:09.03 | newcoder | Can anyone anwer? |
| 03:09.07 | yokisuci | bubbely: hmmm ok :/ I normally use "dd" to write an ISO to USB, but i've heard debian had some issues with unetbootin.....or was it rufus?Don't remember. |
| 03:09.37 | yokisuci | newcoder: Probably. Never tried. I usually install from the net inst non-free iso. |
| 03:09.47 | somiaj | yokisuci: any program like unetbootin or rufus that tries to make the usb bootable. If the program is not doing a raw copy of the image, it can have problems. |
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| 03:10.01 | yokisuci | somiaj: Oh ok |
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| 03:10.15 | somiaj | if win32diskimager is not working, could it jsut be your hardware is too new for the jessie kernel? |
| 03:10.35 | bubbely | yokisuci: ill try dd |
| 03:10.59 | yokisuci | bubbely: (Y) |
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| 03:11.52 | r0ph | boser: SSH is running on the server, yes. No firewall that would affect the communication |
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| 03:14.19 | somiaj | bubbely: win32diskimager should be the same as using dd, are you sure it isn't a hardware issue on your end? Maybe try the stretch intsaller and see if it is a kernel issue. |
| 03:14.50 | boser | i'm out of order. sorry, r0ph. but i have it still in my backup-head. |
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| 03:15.17 | r0ph | boser: thanks anyways |
| 03:15.46 | r0ph | We actually had an issue kind of like this a few weeks ago. Entire OS directories just vanishing |
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| 03:16.08 | r0ph | Hardware mfgs. said it was a "RAID Puncture" |
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| 03:16.19 | r0ph | So we replaced everything... and now it's happening again. |
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| 03:16.26 | r0ph | So I'm just a |
| 03:16.31 | r0ph | So I'm just about to go nuts* |
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| 03:18.16 | boser | r0ph: when was your last update/upgrade? |
| 03:18.41 | r0ph | A long time ago. The server has been running nonstop since the last crash a few weeks ago |
| 03:18.48 | r0ph | and before that, an even longer time ago. |
| 03:19.23 | r0ph | And I don't think that the server is pwned, because who would just rm the /etc dir |
| 03:19.36 | r0ph | Something is fucked. :/ |
| 03:19.42 | boser | than, can make it now. |
| 03:19.57 | r0ph | ? |
| 03:20.17 | boser | 'apt-get update' ??? |
| 03:20.49 | r0ph | apt-get isn't found. nothing is found. "ls" not found. |
| 03:21.09 | r0ph | the only commands that i've seen work are "cd" and "echo" |
| 03:21.09 | abff | wut |
| 03:21.31 | r0ph | abff: Yeah. Majorly screwed up. |
| 03:21.32 | abff | maybe you're using a severely handicapped user |
| 03:21.42 | r0ph | it's root |
| 03:21.51 | abff | narph |
| 03:23.13 | boser | r0ph: and restart is a 'nogo'? correct? |
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| 03:24.21 | r0ph | boser: We just dispatched a tech. to go into the office and try a reboot... but we want to make sure that there's nothing that can be done before we resort to that. |
| 03:24.34 | r0ph | Because once we reboot... I'm willing to bet it won't come back online |
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| 03:25.12 | r0ph | If there's nothing in /etc now... I doubt a reboot is going to help :( |
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| 03:28.35 | boser | what i meen is, that the inode-table is out of sync, so that it look like to be eamty, but ... (hope and cry). With an restart, my be that the inode-table is reconfigure. |
| 03:29.13 | r0ph | Interesting. I really hope that's what it is then :) |
| 03:30.11 | boser | r0ph: pls let my know, what the reason is. |
| 03:31.05 | r0ph | Thanks. Will do. |
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| 03:36.27 | Verity | are debian packages really years old |
| 03:37.28 | Toba | you're years old |
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| 03:37.44 | Toba | as are some debian packages |
| 03:38.58 | Verity | fair enough |
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| 03:43.45 | jacks_ | hi, so i have two wireless nics and i want to allow an open wifi network on one nic to forward traffic via the other, i have setup dnsmasq, the interfaces and hostapd and i can connect to the client network ( open network ) but i cannot get internet access, i assume i need some kind of forwarding or nat what am i missing ? |
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| 03:44.39 | likcoras | Hi, some documentation eg. https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse says that you can put wpa-conf and such in /etc/network/interfaces, where can I find documentation on which wpa- values I can specify? |
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| 03:45.53 | likcoras | neither wpa_supplicant(8) and wpa_supplicant.conf(5) says anything about it, as far as I can tell. |
| 03:47.14 | jacks_ | man wireless |
| 03:47.15 | jacks_ | ? |
| 03:47.30 | likcoras | those are wireless-*, not wpa-* |
| 03:50.38 | jmcnaught | likcoras: /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz (also the interfaces man page lists other packages that add options) |
| 03:51.12 | likcoras | Ah, that looks like it. Thanks! |
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| 04:04.37 | memeka | where can i submit bugs for debian? |
| 04:05.21 | jmcnaught | memeka: https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
| 04:06.17 | memeka | jmcnaught: can i submit directly from a page? or just email/reportbug? |
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| 04:07.03 | memeka | it's a serious bug in packaging i want to submit, i don't have a trace |
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| 04:08.31 | jmcnaught | memeka: the Debian bug tracking system is operated by email, there is a read-only version of it on the web |
| 04:08.43 | memeka | jmcnaught: thanks, i will email then |
| 04:10.20 | bubbely | yokisuci: hi |
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| 04:11.40 | jmcnaught | bubbely: does your computer use NVMe or PCI-e for its primary storage? |
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| 04:12.23 | bubbely | =/ its a laptop, asus x205t - not sure |
| 04:12.54 | bubbely | i believe its pci-e |
| 04:13.16 | jmcnaught | bubbely: can you look it up then, or run something like "dmesg | grep -i nvme" ? |
| 04:13.28 | bubbely | ya brb |
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| 04:48.13 | bubbely | jmcnaught: i dont have a distro installed to run dmesg |
| 04:48.19 | bubbely | im trying to get the cinammon live cd working... |
| 04:48.21 | bubbely | doesn't boot though |
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| 04:50.22 | jmcnaught | bubbely: if it's a new computer you should use the debian installer, not a live image. debian live cannot boot from uefi |
| 04:50.29 | bubbely | ah ok |
| 04:50.34 | bubbely | is there a way to put 3 cds on a usb |
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| 04:51.03 | jmcnaught | just use the netinst image if you can connect the computer to the internet while installing |
| 04:51.25 | bubbely | i can't. |
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| 04:51.33 | bubbely | do i need hte internet for dvd 1-3 |
| 04:52.44 | jmcnaught | you probably don't even need dvd 1. even netinst without internet can give you a basic working Debian install (with not GUI). CD1 will have enough to get you a working desktop |
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| 04:53.17 | bubbely | i installed debian with no gui |
| 04:53.22 | bubbely | i broke it on accident trying to install cinnamon |
| 04:53.27 | jmcnaught | once you boot the computer into your new debian install, then you can fix your wireless problem |
| 04:53.32 | bubbely | k |
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| 05:14.16 | bubbely | jmcncaught: dvd 1 not booting |
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| 05:24.21 | jmcnaught | bubbely: how did you prepare dvd 1? have you read the install manual? |
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| 05:58.42 | newcoder | Installing debian from live dvd or from installation dvd? Which one is better? |
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| 06:16.31 | zykotick9 | newcoder: note, Live does NOT support UEFI |
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| 06:20.07 | newcoder | zykotick9: What would I do with UEFI? What is UEFI? I have old bios. |
| 06:20.57 | zykotick9 | newcoder: well, if you have a BIOS then that part doesn't matter. personally, i'd use netinst (2nd choice cd1, 3rd choce dvd1). good luck. |
| 06:22.15 | somiaj | if using the live image, it is better to boot into the installer and not install from the live enviroment |
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| 06:24.09 | newcoder | somiaj: I think, it's not possible install from live environment |
| 06:24.48 | newcoder | somiaj: There is a seperate option(2nd-option) "Install" when you boot from live dvd. |
| 06:25.04 | newcoder | 1st option = start the live system |
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| 06:29.17 | somiaj | newcoder: it is, inside the live enviroment there is a link on the deskto pusually to run an installer, that is the one that I woudn't suggest using |
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| 06:42.42 | pantato | the file that my nonfree-flash package is trying to wget to update is 404'ing. Anyone know a resolution? |
| 06:43.22 | Hoolootwo | have you done an apt-get update recently? |
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| 06:44.08 | pantato | Hoolootwo: makes no diff |
| 06:44.19 | Hoolootwo | then I have no idea |
| 06:44.31 | pantato | Hoolootwo: https://paste.debian.net/924882/ |
| 06:44.44 | Hoolootwo | oh wait nevermind, I misread the first thing you said |
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| 06:46.17 | Hoolootwo | yeah, doesn't look like it's in https://people.debian.org/~bartm/flashplugin-nonfree/D5C0FC14/ |
| 06:46.24 | pantato | fp.24.0.0.186.sha512.amd64.pgp.asc looks like it's the latest in that folder |
| 06:46.33 | pantato | how do i tell nonfree-flash to install that instead? |
| 06:47.01 | Hoolootwo | I have no idea |
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| 06:48.12 | pantato | lol |
| 06:48.16 | pantato | back to square one |
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| 06:51.12 | pantato | Hoolootwo: while i have your attention maybe you can help me with another issue |
| 06:51.41 | pantato | Hoolootwo: have you seen this thread yet ? http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=132317&p=640121 |
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| 06:53.07 | jelly | pantato: don't install the old version. Grab latest 64bit linux NPAPI .tar.gz from https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/otherversions/ and unpack the file libflashplayer.so from downloaded archive directly into /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/ |
| 06:53.50 | pantato | jelly: should i purge what i got from the repo? |
| 06:53.55 | jelly | no need to |
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| 06:54.26 | pantato | jelly: thanks |
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| 06:55.30 | pantato | jelly: why not get the apt / ubuntu version? |
| 06:55.34 | pantato | will it poop on me? |
| 06:56.21 | jelly | pantato: mostly because it's not made for debian, I have no idea what consequences installing it will do |
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| 06:57.15 | Hoolootwo | pantato, I'll try that, though no promises that my mouse supports high polling speeds |
| 06:58.23 | pantato | Hoolootwo: mine does too, but it needs to be adjusted from the OS. It works for a special driver I use on Windows, and it has worked with USBHID on Ubuntu in the past |
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| 07:00.17 | pantato | jelly: so just that file? cp that into usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree ? don't worry about any of the other files in that package? |
| 07:01.19 | pantato | Hoolootwo: wow, i just realized the special driver that i use for windows has the same name as the module for the linux kernel |
| 07:01.30 | jelly | pantato: correct |
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| 07:03.40 | pantato | jelly: how do i make it work for firefox? i'm still not able to use hulu lol |
| 07:03.52 | jelly | pantato: then see what "update-flashplugin-nonfree --status" says |
| 07:04.34 | pantato | jelly: https://paste.debian.net/924884/ |
| 07:05.55 | pantato | jelly: why does it work on chrome but not firefox -_- |
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| 07:07.22 | Hoolootwo | I also can't it to work |
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| 07:07.48 | Hoolootwo | though that might be due to my mice being relatively old |
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| 07:09.57 | jelly | pantato: I guess you can install the missing alternative manually: update-alternatives --install /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flash-mozilla.so flash-mozilla.so /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so 50 |
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| 07:10.29 | jelly | pantato: chrome uses a different build of the plugin, and downloads it on its own |
| 07:11.06 | Hoolootwo | wait no I got it |
| 07:11.11 | Hoolootwo | setting it to 1 worked |
| 07:11.16 | jelly | ("PPAPI" build is for chromium and chrome, "NPAPI" is for firefox / iceweasel) |
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| 07:11.32 | Hoolootwo | at 4, it still polled at 10 |
| 07:12.43 | Hoolootwo | okay I really didn't expect my old logitech red-ball to support 1khz and my kensington to not :/ |
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| 07:15.42 | Hoolootwo | pantato, my uname -r is 4.8.0-rc6+ |
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| 07:20.15 | pantato | Hoolootwo: soo you got 1000 hz working by setting the module? |
| 07:20.20 | pantato | Hoolootwo: kernel 4.8 ? |
| 07:20.31 | Hoolootwo | yes |
| 07:21.30 | pantato | Hoolootwo: Linux picard 4.9.0-2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.13-1 (2017-02-27) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 07:21.38 | pantato | Hoolootwo: how *exactly* did you do it? |
| 07:23.06 | Hoolootwo | I put "options usbhid mousepoll=1" in /etc/modprobe.d/usbhid.conf, then modprobe -r and modprobed usbhid |
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| 07:24.57 | Hoolootwo | it seems as if it only works with my USB2 ports :/ |
| 07:25.16 | Hoolootwo | not that that's really a problem for me, but it's not what I expected |
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| 07:59.40 | tdn | I keep getting these messages in the log: "smartd[980]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Usage Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed from 181 to 187" These temperatures seems extremely high and wrong. What causes this? Is there an actual problem with my disks? |
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| 08:02.17 | die7 | tdn: this is strange run smartctl -x /dev/sda and paste output to pastbin |
| 08:02.58 | tdn | die7, http://paste.yt/p5495.html |
| 08:03.43 | tdn | die7, the machine is in a properly cooled datacenter. |
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| 08:05.17 | die7 | tdn: your HDD fine and have nbice temp |
| 08:05.22 | die7 | 5 0x008 1 33 Current Temperature 5 0x010 1 32~ Average Short Term Temperature 5 0x018 1 32~ Average Long Term Temperature 5 0x020 1 44 Highest Temperature 5 0x028 1 25 Lowest Temperature |
| 08:05.39 | tdn | die7, yeah, that was my impression. So what to do about the messages in the logs? |
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| 08:06.18 | die7 | tdn:look for cronjob which is execute |
| 08:07.58 | die7 | tdn: look for smartd.conf |
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| 08:09.06 | m3rg3r | hello :) |
| 08:09.25 | die7 | tdn: loo for something like /dev/sda -n standby -a -I 194 -W 6,50,55 -R 5 -M daily |
| 08:09.56 | die7 | tdn: at end you can add your email or remove -M - m |
| 08:10.12 | die7 | :q! |
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| 08:11.45 | tdn | die7, all lines in smartd.conf containing 194 are commented out |
| 08:12.02 | tdn | die7, same with "mail" |
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| 08:14.09 | pantato | Hoolootwo: yeah i've done all of that |
| 08:14.20 | pantato | Hoolootwo: I'm really frustrated that it doesn't work |
| 08:14.53 | die7 | tdn: what is inside of /etc/default/smartmontools |
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| 08:18.52 | die7 | tdn: well if you comment out your HDDs in smartd.conf then no monitoring, add your HDDS, adjust your warrning temp and restart smartd , then look at /var/log/syslog |
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| 08:20.02 | tdn | die7, only comments |
| 08:21.08 | die7 | add your disk with /dev/sda -n standby -a -I 194 -W 6,50,55 -R 5 -M daily (add -m youremail@com) if you wish to get report daily |
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| 08:39.58 | dokma | Can someone give me a hand installing ffmpeg? I can't untangle it: http://david.evorion.hr:9000 |
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| 08:42.24 | tx | sure |
| 08:42.25 | die7 | dokma: what's wrong with apt-get install ffmpeg |
| 08:42.35 | OerHeks | dokma, i cannot read that screen, switching too much. explain here please |
| 08:42.42 | dokma | didn't try it |
| 08:42.42 | tx | well, I would but you're a galaxy away and it's super slow :) |
| 08:42.47 | dokma | I usually got through aptitude |
| 08:42.59 | OerHeks | 'didn't try' ... |
| 08:43.14 | tx | dokma: show us your sources.list file |
| 08:43.17 | dokma | but gives same dependency problems |
| 08:43.21 | tx | are you mixing all kinds of crazy repos? |
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| 08:43.31 | die7 | tx: probably |
| 08:43.35 | tx | wait what.. |
| 08:43.52 | tx | you've added stable, unstable and testing? |
| 08:43.57 | tx | what are you actually running lol |
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| 08:44.03 | die7 | :) |
| 08:44.10 | dokma | I have a few packages from unstable and testing |
| 08:44.18 | tx | :f |
| 08:44.18 | die7 | nice source list :) kill your system |
| 08:44.19 | dokma | but wast majority is from stable |
| 08:44.24 | tx | ok |
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| 08:44.29 | tx | can you remove (comment out) |
| 08:44.32 | tx | all but stable for now |
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| 08:44.40 | tx | you can go destroy your system afterwards :p |
| 08:44.57 | tx | then do an aptitude update |
| 08:45.28 | tx | TIL aptitude is graphical |
| 08:45.35 | tx | I have only ever used apt/apt-get/apt-fast |
| 08:45.49 | tx | quit |
| 08:45.53 | tx | we just want to install ffmpeg for now |
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| 08:46.45 | tx | just do it via cli lol |
| 08:46.54 | tx | gotdI am glad I never knew this existed :P |
| 08:47.07 | dokma | seems ffmpeg is not in stable |
| 08:47.25 | tx | ah it's in backports |
| 08:47.28 | tx | is that commented out? |
| 08:47.39 | tx | https://packages.debian.org/jessie-backports/ffmpeg |
| 08:47.44 | die7 | dokma: apt-cache search ffmpeg |
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| 08:47.51 | n4dir | your best bet is to reinstall and don't mix debian with testing and/or unstable again |
| 08:48.07 | tx | uncomment backports, apt-get update |
| 08:48.07 | dokma | I'm not going to reinstall no matter what |
| 08:48.09 | tx | apt-get install ffmpeg |
| 08:48.32 | n4dir | your system is broken. You can also try to upgrade to testing or unstable. |
| 08:48.35 | tx | yeah kinda figured lol, still, even I am a bit stupid when it comes to repos and I don't mix stable/unstable and testing like you have :P |
| 08:48.51 | dokma | broken can get fixed |
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| 08:48.57 | dokma | this is not windows |
| 08:48.59 | n4dir | not in that case. |
| 08:49.11 | tx | eyy |
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| 08:49.27 | tx | gogogo |
| 08:49.36 | n4dir | do whatever you want. I don't really care. But trying to keep it running is pointless. The whole approach is just plain wrong |
| 08:49.45 | tx | I am so confused right now |
| 08:49.50 | die7 | :) |
| 08:49.51 | tx | aptitude's gui is crazy. |
| 08:50.14 | tx | it could be the rate at which I am getting data from this thing though |
| 08:50.19 | tx | ta daaaa |
| 08:50.37 | dokma | someone is viewing this with a mobile phone? |
| 08:50.44 | tx | nope, web browser |
| 08:50.47 | tx | just a long way away |
| 08:50.51 | tx | (desktop) |
| 08:50.52 | dokma | every time you view it with small browser we get a reduced display |
| 08:50.57 | tx | ah |
| 08:50.59 | tx | not me |
| 08:53.21 | dokma | who was that? |
| 08:53.48 | jelly | ,v aptitude |
| 08:53.49 | judd | Package: aptitude on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.6.8.2-1; jessie: 0.6.11-1+b1; sid: 0.8.6-1; stretch: 0.8.6-1 |
| 08:54.28 | Guest50683 | Hello all, what is the directive to force new path log in a systemd script |
| 08:54.33 | dokma | someone is viewing with a small browser window |
| 08:54.39 | dokma | please maximize |
| 08:54.41 | Guest50683 | actually i write a systemd service and the log seems to write in /var/log/daemon.log |
| 08:54.46 | jelly | dokma: get rid of aptitude interactive more; instead, read this and provide all the info: |
| 08:54.48 | jelly | !bat |
| 08:54.49 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 08:54.57 | jelly | interactive mode* |
| 08:55.18 | dokma | jelly: seems to be fine |
| 08:55.23 | dokma | guys already helped |
| 08:56.50 | dokma | this has to be the culprit |
| 08:56.56 | dokma | it's asking for a newer libstdc++ |
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| 08:59.48 | dokma | again ends up in the same hell pit |
| 08:59.53 | dokma | if I try to upgrade it |
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| 09:00.43 | dokma | so ffmpeg depends upon libavformat57 >= 7:3.2.4 |
| 09:00.44 | jelly | if you want actual help, provide info that's readable, as request above, instead of a remote view into a terminal |
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| 09:01.02 | dokma | qwhich is exactly what I have |
| 09:01.14 | jelly | where's the pastebin? |
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| 09:03.22 | dokma | will paste when I narrow it down |
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| 09:09.13 | dokma | well... all seems to be chugging allong except for not being able to upgrade ffmpeg |
| 09:09.24 | dokma | which is not really that big of a deal |
| 09:10.01 | dokma | now to my other problem: subtitleeditor is missing h264 codecs and I cannot figure out which libs it needs |
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| 09:11.12 | dokma | The exact error is: "GStreamer plugins missing. The playback of this movie requires the following decoders which are not installed: H.264 decoder MPEG-4 AAC decoder" |
| 09:11.15 | Velizar | I'm cleaning space on a Pi, and /usr/share/locale takes quite a bit, but most of it is locale/[unused locale]/LC_MESSAGES. Is it safe to just rm -rf the folders for those unused locales? btw localepurge didn't remove those. |
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| 09:12.35 | dokma | This is what I have of gstreamer packages: http://paste.debian.net/924906/ |
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| 09:13.02 | petn-randall | Velizar: Please ask in #raspbian. |
| 09:13.03 | n4dir | Velizar: not sure, only ideas. If localpurge didn't get rid of them, perhaps "dpkg-reconfigure locales" will? |
| 09:13.13 | n4dir | there sure is a command to get rid of unused locales |
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| 09:13.45 | n4dir | i would first check how much space they use at all. |
| 09:15.50 | dokma | Now I've installed gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad:amd64 and now only the H.264 is a problem... |
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| 09:18.56 | dokma | I've installed a bunch more gstreamer stuff and it still chokes on H.264 |
| 09:19.14 | dokma | So the problem is subtitleeditor is missing gstreamer H.264 plugin. |
| 09:19.22 | dokma | Anyone knows where that one is found? |
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| 09:20.15 | n4dir | if it was me i would use apt-cache search |
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| 09:22.36 | Velizar | dpkg-reconfigure locales didn't remove them; I'll ask in #raspbian as well |
| 09:22.56 | dokma | n4dir: apparently debian doesn't ship H264 gstreamer plugin for legal issues |
| 09:23.02 | dokma | some stuff I'm reading from 2009 |
| 09:23.09 | dokma | don't know if it still applies? |
| 09:23.15 | dokma | http://gstreamer-devel.966125.n4.nabble.com/H-264-encoder-for-Debian-td970819.html |
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| 09:24.49 | n4dir | i am not in the subject, but search for 264 gives (for example) libx264-142 |
| 09:25.02 | dokma | I have that one installed |
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| 09:25.08 | dokma | Seems like it's not the one |
| 09:25.15 | n4dir | also x264 (ah, so they don't do it) |
| 09:25.54 | dokma | The description for libx264-142 says it is a shared library but no encoder is mentioned... |
| 09:25.59 | dokma | Perhaps that's the downfall |
| 09:26.18 | dokma | On the other hand: http://www.deb-multimedia.org/dists/stable/main/binary-amd64/package/x264 |
| 09:27.09 | dokma | Probably also this: http://www.deb-multimedia.org/dists/stable/main/binary-amd64/package/gstreamer0.10-plugins-really-bad |
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| 09:29.16 | dokma | Yeah, here guys strongly advise against using Debian Multimedia repos: https://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?t=70719 |
| 09:29.27 | missmbob | !dmo |
| 09:29.27 | dpkg | We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See http://deb-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm wheezy>, <dmm jessie>. See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>, <dmm remove>. |
| 09:29.30 | dokma | So it seems I'm screwed |
| 09:29.58 | dokma | !why not dmm |
| 09:29.58 | dpkg | The deb-multimedia.org repository was once the only way of getting good multimedia support. By the release of Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" this was mostly not true and for Debian 7 "Wheezy" this situation is even better. Libraries from dmm are known to cause incompatibilities with packages from Debian; packages may not meet the <DFSG> so are not allowed in Debian. Use dmm as a last resort; ask me about <dmm pinning> and <dmm remove>. |
| 09:30.42 | dokma | So are there any other options to get H264 encoder under Debian? |
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| 09:30.55 | dokma | As a gstreamer plugin... |
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| 09:54.51 | die7 | has any good HowTo to setup OpenAFS + LDAP/Kerberos |
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| 10:01.20 | blackflow | Anyone running steam? The wiki suggests its runtime be disabled by removing some files but those paths don't exist, and in fact those files at correct paths (~/.steam/ubuntu...) don't exist either. So, the issue is resolved and the wiki needs updating? |
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| 10:02.13 | blackflow | Or in other words, other than enabling multiarch and installing 'steam' package, is there anything else that should be done nowadays to run steam? |
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| 10:03.25 | petn-randall | blackflow: Which wiki entry are you talking about? |
| 10:03.42 | blackflow | petn-randall: https://wiki.debian.org/Steam |
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| 10:05.06 | petn-randall | blackflow: AFAIK it's enough to just install the package, but that's only second hand experience I'm passing along. |
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| 10:07.14 | blackflow | well, I also installed libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 per that wiki, so in essence all I did was enable i386 arch, install steam, install that file. Steam seems to be running fine, though, so I'm assuming the wiki needs an update. |
| 10:07.29 | blackflow | s/that file/that package/ |
| 10:08.03 | petn-randall | blackflow: You can register an account and fix the wiki entry, it's open for everyone. |
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| 10:10.24 | blackflow | petn-randall: sure, I can do that. when I get all the facts straight :) that's why I am asking here about it. |
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| 10:30.10 | dadinn | hi all |
| 10:30.27 | dadinn | I have an issue with jessie-backports repo |
| 10:31.04 | dadinn | where would be the best place to report it? |
| 10:31.25 | petn-randall | !ask |
| 10:31.25 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 10:32.28 | petn-randall | dadinn: ^^^ |
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| 10:33.51 | dadinn | it seems that the package linux-image-grsec-amd64 in jessie-backports repository has out-of-date dependency on linux-image-4.8.0-2-grsec-amd64, which is not available in the jessie-backports repository; instead it should use 4.9.0 which is available. |
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| 10:35.49 | blackflow | dadinn: have you used the grsec kernel before? I ask what your experiences with it are, any breakage, instabilities, anything like that? |
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| 10:39.11 | uniTosch | dadinn: seems like you are right. the maintainer forgot to rebuild the meta package. you can write a bug report if you want to. you can just omit the meta package for now. |
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| 10:40.12 | dadinn | blackflow: I haven't been using it in "production", but have been experimenting with it before, and like a month ago it was installing without issue: "apt install -t jessie-backports linux-image-grsec-amd64" has installed the grsec kernel without issue, was able to install ZFS kernel modules with it, and reboot into it, and it was running correctly. It was approx. a month ago. Now the install fails with unm |
| 10:40.18 | dadinn | et dependencies error: linux-image-4.8.0-2-grsec-amd64 is not installable" |
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| 10:42.10 | blackflow | dadinn: hmm, I was interested if you had any experience in production, since grsec is no longer giving out stable patches and they don't recommend the testing ones for production. I've been using it on gentoo, and had some minor problems with it, but what scares me are issues reported on grsec forums about systems crashing or locking up after certain time has passed. eg, things you can't catch in |
| 10:42.16 | blackflow | immediate testing. |
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| 10:42.49 | blackflow | I wanted to push our debian servers to grsec too, but I think I'm gonna pass |
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| 10:45.14 | dadinn | blackflow: yeah, I think instead of grsec, just use: echo "Fuck you CIA/NSA/Russia/anyone! Take what you want..." > /root/README.txt |
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| 10:46.33 | blackflow | dadinn: well, I'm going the route of apparmor + as much isolation as possible through systemd features / cgroups / namespaces |
| 10:47.15 | blackflow | I'll also be rebuilding the kernel and removing anything I don't need in production. |
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| 10:51.20 | dadinn | blackflow: I feel soon ending up in this: https://xkcd.com/456/ |
| 10:52.11 | blackflow | heh yeah, gentoo does that to you :) |
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| 11:03.26 | SanaZ | test |
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| 11:11.44 | tdn | How do I configure whether a LUKS crypto disk is to be unlocked at startup or not? |
| 11:12.12 | tdn | I mean if the boot up process should prompt user for passphrase or just continue without the crypto disk? |
| 11:13.12 | blackflow | tdn: it should be automatical, if it's needed (mounted), but it'll need the help of crypttab to map between mountpoint and luks container |
| 11:13.29 | blackflow | tdn: and if it's not root, I suggest using keys rather than passphrases |
| 11:13.58 | tdn | blackflow, so how does the system determine if it is needed or not? How does it determine if a passphrase prompt should be shown or not? |
| 11:14.25 | tdn | blackflow, will removing the disk from crypttab cause the system not to try to unlock it? |
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| 11:15.39 | blackflow | tdn: iirc, yes, if it's not in crypttab, the system doesn't know about it |
| 11:16.21 | blackflow | so you specify the container to be unlocked via crypttab, in conjunction with unlocked, mapped name (eg. /dev/mapper/sda3_crypt) used in fstab |
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| 11:20.54 | tdn | blackflow, ok. So if I specify a LUKS device in crypttab and not provide a keyfile, then it will prompt for passphrase at startup. |
| 11:21.42 | tdn | blackflow, is there a way to specify a keyfile on a USB stick or something like that? I mean so that the machine will boot just fine if the stick is in. But if it is not. It WILL boot, but not unlock the volume? Or will that need to be scripted manually after startup? |
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| 11:24.19 | BluesKaj | Hi folks |
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| 11:30.44 | blackflow | tdn: well, the crypttab config is used by initramfs scripts to set up the initial environment, critical for when you have encrypted root. So I'm guessing it could be possible to specify a path to the key being on some external device, I'm just not sure how to do that exactly, maybe through uuids |
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| 11:31.26 | blackflow | tdn: and I mean that in the context of existing initramfs scripts and hooks, without having ot resort to writing your own |
| 11:32.06 | blackflow | otherwise I see nothing that would prevent the init script of initramfs to unlock the container for root using a key from an external device |
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| 11:34.54 | tdn | blackflow, ok, I will look into that. I think the hard part if making it continue to boot even if the USB is not there. That and figuring out "where" the USB is at boot time. |
| 11:35.17 | tdn | blackflow, I guess I can alway just have the system boot up fully and then run a script that does the unlocking and restart the various services. |
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| 11:45.34 | blackflow | tdn: the "where" part is the uuids (or partuids) I mentioned |
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| 11:47.06 | rm-rfchik | hi, suddenly, java stops working. All java commands crash with "SIGSEGV (0xb) at pc=0x00007f140f5d0de8, pid=11510, tid=0x00007f13b08e0700" |
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| 11:47.38 | rm-rfchik | openjdk-8 8u121-b13-4 |
| 11:47.42 | Mazhive | hello guys , i want some insight of the latest debian stable (8.7.1) on using nvidia drivers better saying using a gfx card nvidia 660gtx as i am pretty familiar with debian (server sides) i was wandering , on my desktop pc i am using fedora at the moment but i am planning to use debian so i want to do a fresh install with my gtx660 would this be smooth fresh install or do i have to take notice of some particular steps to make the install |
| 11:47.43 | Mazhive | swiftly. |
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| 11:48.09 | rm-rfchik | debian stretch |
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| 11:48.24 | rm-rfchik | any ideas/ |
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| 11:48.52 | petn-randall | !debian-next |
| 11:48.52 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 11:48.56 | petn-randall | rm-rfchik: ^^^ |
| 11:49.15 | rm-rfchik | thanks |
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| 11:51.10 | Brigo | Mazhive, i think so, do you need non-free support? |
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| 11:51.21 | BluesKaj | Mazhive, after installing debian, install dkms and nvidia-detect then you should find the recommended driver after running detect and you shoild be good |
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| 12:16.19 | fairway | morning |
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| 12:17.05 | raidghost | Morning |
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| 12:17.21 | fairway | irc is still alive these days? |
| 12:17.25 | fairway | hehe |
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| 12:17.33 | abff | .gm |
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| 12:19.31 | Stummi | fairway, why shouldn't it? |
| 12:19.54 | raidghost | fairway: Abit more idle from my side since the old dialup days |
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| 12:21.35 | fairway | well yes |
| 12:21.36 | fairway | laters |
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| 12:42.02 | linuxthefish | hi, i upgraded from wheezy to jessie (changed sources file, dist-upgrade) and it failed at restarting the ssh server but didn't give a reason why |
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| 12:42.39 | linuxthefish | "systemctl status ssh.service" just tells me "ssh.service: Main process exited, code=exited, status=255/n/a" before "Failed to start OpenBSD Secure Shell server." |
| 12:42.51 | petn-randall | linuxthefish: Could you complete the upgrade completely? |
| 12:43.12 | petn-randall | linuxthefish: "journalctl -u ssh" or look at /var/log/daemon.log. |
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| 12:45.55 | linuxthefish | yeah even after --purge removing it and installing again it still won't start |
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| 12:46.03 | linuxthefish | petn-randall, i get http://paste.debian.net/plain/924940 for that |
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| 12:46.36 | petn-randall | linuxthefish: Did you reboot into the jessie kernel? |
| 12:47.13 | linuxthefish | ah no, i'll try now |
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| 12:52.48 | linuxthefish | thanks petn-randall, that works perfectly! |
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| 12:53.04 | petn-randall | linuxthefish: Glad I could help :) |
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| 12:53.31 | gtristan | Ok so I always forget how to do this... How do I find the upstream source repository for say, this package I'm looking for right now: https://packages.debian.org/sid/genisoimage |
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| 12:53.57 | gtristan | doesnt matter sid or what version, just... what link to press in order to discover the information of where this code comes from ? |
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| 12:56.31 | gtristan | Hmmm, looks like this one is a debian thing, is there a git repo ? |
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| 12:57.48 | tremon | gtristan: follow the "developer information (PTS)" link in the right-side menu |
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| 12:58.49 | tremon | there should usually be an "upstream" link on the PTS page... |
| 12:59.39 | tremon | for debian-only packages, you probably want the "browse source code" link |
| 12:59.54 | themill | http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debburn/ |
| 12:59.55 | gtristan | tremon, thanks... indeed there is no "upstream" on that PTS page |
| 13:01.36 | gtristan | So, is there a git repo for this ? |
| 13:01.51 | gtristan | Sorry I'm at a bit of a loss, I have this browse source code page |
| 13:01.56 | gtristan | doesnt really indicate the VCS |
| 13:02.03 | gtristan | or how to clone etc |
| 13:02.29 | planetmaker | hi I need to check whether there is some machine re-using an IP which is assigned to one of three device I run in our local network. I'm not exactly versed in that business. How should I best try to approach this issue? |
| 13:03.00 | themill | Software development was possible prior to git. |
| 13:03.30 | planetmaker | the setup is bascally such that one device is an IP camera, an FTP server and a laptop used to configure the camera via HTTP |
| 13:04.25 | planetmaker | they're all assigned their unique, hard-coded IPs, the FTP server is accessible, the camera's HTTP is accessible, but the connection from camera to the FTP seems to fail always very quickly |
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| 13:07.40 | petn-randall | planetmaker: How is this related to Debian? |
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| 13:08.49 | synthnassizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:08.49 | synthnassizer | windows. Since I have been using the nxnode and nxserver 3.5 debian packages on other computers (namely on these slakcware and xubuntu computers), I wonder if perhaps a fonts apt package is missing. thank you in advance for your help |
| 13:09.08 | gtristan | themill, sure, show me the cvs repo, I mean it's got to be revisioned with *something* |
| 13:09.32 | themill | maybe |
| 13:10.09 | gtristan | at least finds: https://github.com/Distrotech/cdrkit, not sure what distrotech is but it builds |
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| 13:11.08 | themill | gtristan: maybe you could ask your real question then -- that's not the current source |
| 13:11.59 | gtristan | themill, I have just been looking for the upstream, the "where the source code is maintained" |
| 13:12.05 | tremon | not all packages have public repositories, maybe somewhat odd but it's not mandated by debian policy |
| 13:12.11 | themill | gtristan: why? |
| 13:12.14 | gtristan | themill, a "browse files" page does not really tell me this |
| 13:12.37 | gtristan | themill, not that it is at all relevant to my question but, because I intend to build it from source repo |
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| 13:12.43 | planetmaker | petn-randall, it's related such to debian that I'm sitting on a debian machine now and try to figure out how I can tackle that problem |
| 13:12.50 | tremon | you can always use apt-get source to get the source for version that you're currently using |
| 13:12.56 | petn-randall | gtristan: You can retrieve the source with 'apt-get source <foo>'. |
| 13:13.04 | gtristan | tremon, that would assume someone is using debian |
| 13:13.05 | themill | gtristan: if you want to build the source, you want the source package not the maintainer's repo (if one even exists) |
| 13:13.05 | planetmaker | if you can point me to a place to get better help, I very much appreciate that |
| 13:13.27 | tremon | a fair assumption, given the channel name though :) |
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| 13:13.50 | gtristan | themill, but here, I am _only_ looking for the source repo, not assuming the user is using any particular distro |
| 13:13.52 | petn-randall | planetmaker: It's not meant as criticism, I'm just wondering if the FTP or the camera are running Debian. |
| 13:14.04 | themill | gtristan: you're making assumptions that are bad |
| 13:14.06 | themill | !goal |
| 13:14.07 | dpkg | Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is. |
| 13:14.15 | planetmaker | the camera surely not... it's one of those cheap IOT devices |
| 13:14.20 | planetmaker | the ftp server not sure |
| 13:14.33 | gtristan | tremon, right, I have ended up here because I am looking for source code, which only shows google results at debian |
| 13:14.59 | petn-randall | planetmaker: Ah, in that case I'd further debug this is ##networking. You'll probably have to check the logs on both devices, and check if network resolution works fine, etc. |
| 13:15.03 | themill | gtristan: so what you want is the source code not a non-existent git repo. That we can do. |
| 13:15.07 | gtristan | tremon, assuming that debian has some relatively official version of this thing, I think coming here or browsing the debian web pages is a good lead for finding that source |
| 13:15.27 | planetmaker | right, thanks |
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| 13:15.37 | gtristan | themill, I dont care what it's revisioned in, I only want the real upstream in whatever VCS is used by that upstream |
| 13:16.24 | themill | gtristan: why is there an obsession with a vcs? |
| 13:16.31 | themill | Don't you want the source? |
| 13:16.48 | themill | The PTS page you were at earlier had the following "Download Source Package cdrkit:" |
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| 13:17.50 | Guest50683 | I all; my question is simple. Is there a way with systemd to specify a path to log files ? I create a new systemd script and log is written is /var/log/daemon.log.. |
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| 13:18.21 | gtristan | themill, rather, what is the obsession of hiding the vcs ? the answer could just be "The maintainer only releases tarballs" |
| 13:18.28 | themill | there is no vcs |
| 13:18.33 | gtristan | I can live with that, but it's less than desirable |
| 13:18.39 | petn-randall | gtristan: To the more general question, the answer is that not every source package has a VCS, and even if, there's not requirement to document it currently in Debian. |
| 13:19.01 | themill | fwiw I just asked the maintainer and his reply was: cdrkit is dead, it would be better using xorriso and friends, |
| 13:19.31 | themill | gtristan: you keep asking for something that doesn't exist. I keep telling you it doesn't exist and asking what you really want |
| 13:19.48 | gtristan | themill, understood, but I suspect it will be years until everything relevant stops depending on cdrkit |
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| 13:22.47 | petn-randall | Wasn't that the Jörg Schilling project? |
| 13:23.12 | petn-randall | Ah, that was cdrtools. |
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| 13:24.47 | petn-randall | gtristan: Maybe this does it for you? https://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/debburn/ |
| 13:24.59 | themill | that's out of date |
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| 13:38.14 | bal | How to get full screen mode in windows virtual machine after installing debian in win 7? |
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| 13:42.41 | teraflops | bal: it depends on the virtualization platform or the client app youre using for accessing the windows host |
| 13:43.04 | jguillen | Hi bal, which hypervisor are you using ? |
| 13:43.17 | teraflops | bal: are you aware how vague was your question? |
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| 14:00.22 | russw | I'm having trouble with my keyboard setup. Alt-F2 should be launching xfce4-appfinder, but it does not. It is also (when in a console) being picked up as a 'Q' char for some reason. |
| 14:01.17 | russw | I've tried reconfiguring my keybaord with `keyboard-configuration`, but it didn't help. I'm not sure whether it is that the keystrokes are being intercepted by something else, or if i ust don't have the right layout. |
| 14:01.27 | russw | Anyone have any ideas on how to resolve this? |
| 14:01.46 | dontknow | russw, do you have function lock key in keyboard? |
| 14:01.56 | russw | dontknow: no |
| 14:02.08 | dontknow | ok |
| 14:02.56 | russw | more info... This is on a laptop, and I also have a usb kb plugged in. Both fail to work. It worked yesterday. Difference is a dual monitor setup (no change to kb section in xorg.conf), and I added the second keyboard. |
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| 14:03.16 | russw | (yesterday meaning with just the laptop... now not working) |
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| 14:28.23 | dft | good morning, I'm looking for the package that provides 'stuff' that can be used with screenrc files. I've scoured apt and packages.debian.org and have come up with nil. Any help is appreciated. |
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| 14:29.04 | nkuttler | dft: is stuff a command? |
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| 14:31.15 | dft | nkuttler: from what I've been reading yes, the examples i've been reading for automating from within screenrc don't seem to be using it as a replacement for the usual "foo/bar" type variables |
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| 14:33.36 | jelly | dft: afair, "stuff" is screen's internal command used to push something into the input buffer, pretending the user typed it in |
| 14:34.00 | jelly | valid within screenrc and ctrl-a : |
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| 14:34.18 | uniqdom | Hello. I'm the sysadmin and I need that a script from an unprivileged user change the system datetime from cmd line or script. How can I achieve that. |
| 14:34.23 | uniqdom | Is there a group that has control over the date cmd? |
| 14:34.53 | jelly | uniqdom: install sudo, and give them sudo privileges to run /bin/date as root. |
| 14:35.17 | jelly | uniqdom: man sudoers after you install the package |
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| 14:35.42 | uniqdom | that makes sense... thanks jelly |
| 14:36.07 | jelly | uniqdom: you will want to make sure "requiretty" is off |
| 14:36.13 | uniqdom | ok |
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| 14:37.22 | jelly | (if the script is to be run from a cron job, or some other automated way) |
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| 14:37.31 | fulcan | what happened to the lamp-server one command install package? How do I get it back? I am using Jessie |
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| 14:38.03 | jelly | fulcan: it never existed |
| 14:38.08 | jelly | !lamp |
| 14:38.08 | dpkg | LAMP: Linux, Apache, MySQL, {PHP,Perl,Python} server. Ask me about <install debian><install apache><install mysql><install php>. (Hmm... doesn't that make it a DAMP stack?), or "aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 mysql-server php5-mysql". http://wiki.debian.org/LaMp, or http://geek-and-poke.com/geekandpoke/2013/6/15/the-geekpoke-old-chestnut-of-the-week |
| 14:38.25 | fulcan | jelly: apt-get install lamp-server^ |
| 14:38.35 | jelly | right, that never existed |
| 14:39.26 | fulcan | jelly: exist on every version of debian I have ever worked on http://www.sudo-juice.com/install-lamp-server-ubuntu/ |
| 14:39.46 | jelly | fulcan: then you've never used an actual debian installation |
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| 14:40.15 | fulcan | jelly: I'll go ahead and delete debian now |
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| 14:40.59 | jelly | fulcan: sure! Use the tools that are most appropriate to get your work done. |
| 14:41.04 | Artemis3 | fulcan, https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
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| 14:41.46 | Artemis3 | there is no such package. |
| 14:42.34 | Artemis3 | and the bot here also replies to lamp but i forgot the command |
| 14:42.37 | Habitual | I rely on https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/ |
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| 14:42.47 | jelly | Artemis3: and there never has been, at least not since I've been using debian (from around 2.0) |
| 14:43.07 | Artemis3 | i started with potato |
| 14:43.21 | johnkeates | are you polandball? |
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| 14:44.28 | jelly | Artemis3: already triggered !lamp after their first question, fulcan can read it on their own |
| 14:45.21 | Artemis3 | jelly, ah clever use of they, i was reading about it yesterday :3 |
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| 14:46.07 | jelly | singular they is best they! |
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| 14:48.29 | petn-randall | learned that from jelly, too. |
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| 14:49.44 | istevenmon | hi guys, i have a question i configured a pptpd to connect my windows users and strongswan to create a s2s vpn to my azure subscription, both vpn works great and the debian server is able to route my windows clients to the azure the only problem i have is i want to enable internet access to the pptp clients but when i add iptables masquerade I stop reaching the azure servers |
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| 14:50.22 | istevenmon | does the strongswan needs rules in the nat table? |
| 14:50.30 | istevenmon | + |
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| 14:50.51 | eumel | how can i force limits.conf to be loaded when a program does not use the PAM system for authentication? |
| 14:51.18 | bernhardr | I need to resize the space on my ssd drive (getting write error while updating the kernel). Since i have no experience with resizing, I cloned my 120 ssd disk to a 250 gb ssd disk with clonezilla (to make sure i do not wreck the original ssd drive when resizing). I am able to boot from the 250 gb ssd witch the cloned os debian 7. The extra space (minus about 10 gb) i created a new partition |
| 14:51.18 | bernhardr | for of about 100gb. Now i would like to try to resize /dev/mapper/root space size 322M used 265M left 41M 87% mounted on / |
| 14:51.32 | jelly | eumel: you can't, /etc/security/limits.conf is the config file _for_ a pam module |
| 14:51.42 | bernhardr | jmcnaught how can i do this ? |
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| 14:53.16 | eumel | jelly: thank you, i'm having this issue with a daemon that's granting access to a server from the network, it's running as root and switching users with setuid afterwards, but customers need limits.conf to be directly loaded afterwards |
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| 14:53.37 | eumel | jelly: is there any way i could cause the daemon to load the pam modules before forking in the background? |
| 14:54.02 | plasmoduck | guys I just ran rkhunter and I got these warnings, is it anything to be concerned about? https://paste.debian.net/924957/ |
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| 14:54.22 | jelly | eumel: not without coding PAM support in it |
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| 14:55.35 | Artemis3 | plasmoduck, i think you are supposed to use lynis nowdays... |
| 14:55.51 | petn-randall | plasmoduck: What about the gals in this channel? :) |
| 14:56.16 | plasmoduck | petn-randall: ? |
| 14:56.22 | teclo- | gals ? |
| 14:56.28 | teclo- | this isn't undernet or something |
| 14:56.30 | plasmoduck | what about them? |
| 14:56.39 | jelly | plasmoduck: investigate if any of software you have installed creates or uses those. rkhunter often gives out false positives, take its output with a grain of salt |
| 14:56.47 | eumel | jelly: okay thank you, it's a daemon from bmc, people loggin in to servers throught it will simply keep doing su - afterwards .. |
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| 14:57.05 | plasmoduck | guys and gals :p |
| 14:57.10 | jelly | eumel: thankfully su has pam support |
| 14:57.13 | plasmoduck | thanks guys and gals |
| 14:57.55 | petn-randall | plasmoduck: :) |
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| 14:58.43 | eumel | jelly: it's crazy, bmc documents say that it's the OS's fault, but an ldd on the binary proves that there's no PAM support built into their product .. |
| 14:58.47 | plasmoduck | I take it you're a gal petn-randall |
| 14:59.17 | plasmoduck | I have 1 more question. How could one stop someone chrooting into a drive? Would encrpytion prevent that? |
| 14:59.43 | plasmoduck | I'm talking about not being able to mount the drive. |
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| 15:00.05 | plasmoduck | just for future reference |
| 15:00.55 | petn-randall | plasmoduck: Use LUKS to prevent people from tampering with your data. |
| 15:01.17 | plasmoduck | cheers |
| 15:01.22 | petn-randall | plasmoduck: On laptops it works pretty fine. You can even run it on servers with a little preparation. |
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| 15:02.57 | Artemis3 | petn-randall, i don't see much point, since you need to script the password when booting, in the clear... unless you hire someone to type it for you xD |
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| 15:05.23 | petn-randall | Artemis3: You can use dropbear to log in via ssh to pass the password to LUKS. |
| 15:06.06 | rootkea | Hello! I have -std=gnu99 on commandline but it still shows "ISO C90 forbids mixed declarations and code". Why the C90 warning? |
| 15:06.39 | plasmoduck | so I have to wipe my drive to install luks? |
| 15:06.43 | petn-randall | Artemis3: This at least prevents any type of passive eavesdropping, or accessing the data by stealing the server. The only attack scenario would be to tamper with the initramfs to add a password logger. But hopefully Debian soon support secure boot to prevent that, too. |
| 15:06.53 | plasmoduck | I can't just encrypt it on the fly like in MacOS? |
| 15:07.09 | Artemis3 | im checking that, it might come handy. |
| 15:07.26 | petn-randall | plasmoduck: Correct. IIRC there's a tool that would allow that, but I'd always backup my data first. Better safe than sorry. |
| 15:07.59 | n4dir | plasmoduck: you could use encfs (assuming i understand your problem correct). Well: you could look if it helps |
| 15:08.11 | Artemis3 | oh i see dropbear is a tiny ssh server for initram |
| 15:08.23 | petn-randall | ,v luksipc |
| 15:08.24 | judd | Package: luksipc on amd64 -- sid: 0.04-2+b1; stretch: 0.04-2+b1 |
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| 15:08.45 | petn-randall | plasmoduck: You could use this ^^^. But it's not bulletproof, so back up your data. |
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| 15:09.56 | petn-randall | plasmoduck: Safer and cleaner is to back up your data, create a LUKS partition, and then restore the data. |
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| 15:10.48 | plasmoduck | ok thanks |
| 15:10.49 | jelly | petn-randall: and interesting and easier variation of an in-place migration could be possible if there's raid1 in place already |
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| 15:11.11 | plasmoduck | I might just buy a new SSD tomorrow and replace the hdd and do a fresh install with luks |
| 15:11.46 | plasmoduck | breath some new life into this old toshiba i5 |
| 15:12.00 | petn-randall | jelly: You might have that on servers, but I don't have that on my laptop :) |
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| 15:15.20 | bernhardr | I use gparted and see that /dev/sda2 /dev/sda is locked. how can i unlock it so that i can resize ? |
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| 15:15.50 | martin-_-_ | hi |
| 15:15.50 | jelly | bernhardr: boot from some other disk |
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| 15:15.58 | martin-_-_ | can i remove /var/lib ? |
| 15:16.02 | jelly | martin-_-_: no |
| 15:16.02 | martin-_-_ | it got 400mb! |
| 15:16.09 | hanasaki | any package / scripts to harden a debian install? |
| 15:16.19 | petn-randall | bernhardr: Is /dev/sda2 your root partition? Then you need to boot from a live system to do that. |
| 15:16.36 | martin-_-_ | what can i remove? |
| 15:16.41 | petn-randall | martin-_-_: You can remove it, but that'll likely make your system unbootable. You might also want to ask your real question. |
| 15:16.46 | jelly | bernhardr: eg. grab latest gparted live usb/cd image, boot that, then do your work |
| 15:17.01 | jelly | martin-_-_: why are you asking this? |
| 15:17.04 | jelly | !goal |
| 15:17.04 | dpkg | Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is. |
| 15:17.17 | bernhardr | petn-randall i booted from an usb stick with gparted on it. gparted-live-0.28.1-1-amd64 |
| 15:17.25 | martin-_-_ | https://paste.debian.net/924964/ jelly |
| 15:17.39 | martin-_-_ | its a nas |
| 15:17.44 | martin-_-_ | i cant modify the partions |
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| 15:18.16 | bernhardr | jelly i booted from an usb stick with gparted on it. gparted-live-0.28.1-1-amd64 |
| 15:18.33 | petn-randall | martin-_-_: You might want to reinstall with a larger root filesystem. What kind of system is this? |
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| 15:18.57 | martin-_-_ | i can't install a new debian on this machine |
| 15:19.08 | martin-_-_ | debian lenny |
| 15:19.26 | petn-randall | lenny? That's EOL for ages now. |
| 15:19.27 | martin-_-_ | readynas duo (released in 2009) |
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| 15:19.52 | martin-_-_ | and yes its a fucking sparc machine :) |
| 15:20.17 | martin-_-_ | i need to free up some space |
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| 15:20.55 | martin-_-_ | https://paste.debian.net/924965/ |
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| 15:25.22 | martin-_-_ | where else can i free up space petn-randall ? |
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| 15:27.03 | n4dir | what have you done yet to free space? |
| 15:27.23 | jelly | bernhardr: I guess it ought to work then |
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| 15:28.04 | jelly | martin-_-_: ask you hardware vendor for support? |
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| 15:28.13 | n4dir | i would always start with cleaning anything package related (apt-get clean, aptitude purge ~c, apt-get autoremove, deborphan, etc) |
| 15:28.20 | martin-_-_ | the support was discounted |
| 15:28.33 | jelly | discontinued |
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| 15:28.45 | petn-randall | maybe both? |
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| 15:28.58 | martin-_-_ | ahh thanks n4dir for the apt-get clean hint |
| 15:29.25 | jelly | martin-_-_: show the output of du -x / | sort -n | tail -40 |
| 15:29.34 | n4dir | i am pretty tired, but you got 2 Gigs for the root partition ? And everything like usr and such on the same partition? |
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| 15:30.14 | jelly | why do people run -s and then still don't know where _precisely_ disk usage goes |
| 15:30.36 | martin-_-_ | n4dir: no the user dir is on /c/homes |
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| 15:31.01 | rose32 | does anyone know how can I execute with logrotate a script in postrotate section passing the destionation file? |
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| 15:31.03 | n4dir | yeah, but all the system stuff. 2 Gigs seems very sparse. |
| 15:31.19 | jelly | scarce? |
| 15:31.21 | n4dir | I would also remove all apps i sure don't need. |
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| 15:31.26 | n4dir | jelly: thanks, yes |
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| 15:31.33 | martin-_-_ | https://paste.debian.net/924968/ jelly |
| 15:31.56 | bernhardr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:32.31 | bernhardr | jelly i booted from an usb stick with gparted on it. gparted-live-0.28.1-1-amd64 might it stay locked because it is an LVM2 PV partition ? |
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| 15:33.07 | jelly | bernhardr: perhaps gparted doesn't know how to deal with lvm2, yes |
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| 15:33.20 | ToHellWithGA | quick question about stretch. if it is the new stable release, do i need to revise my sources.list to some keyword other than "stretch" to stay on the testing release? |
| 15:33.27 | jelly | bernhardr: what's your goal? |
| 15:34.19 | n4dir | /var/log/frontview whatever frontview might be, check if you can remove something to be found there, martin-_-_ (stuff like *gz ) |
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| 15:34.24 | petn-randall | ToHellWithGA: I'd wait for 6+ months before switching to testing/buster then. After the release testing will point to an empty repository. |
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| 15:34.44 | jelly | martin-_-_: If you have more space on other filesystems, you could copy one or more non-critical subtrees to some other mountpoint, and use symlinks to make things work |
| 15:34.46 | bernhardr | jelly, i want to resize the /root space since i cant upgrace the kernel (write error). I need to resize the space on my ssd drive (getting write error while updating the kernel). Since i have no experience with resizing, I cloned my 120 ssd disk to a 250 gb ssd disk with clonezilla (to make sure i do not wreck the original ssd drive when resizing). I am able to boot from the 250 gb ssd witch |
| 15:34.46 | bernhardr | the cloned os debian 7. The extra space (minus about 10 gb) i created a new partition for of about 100gb. Now i would like to try to resize /dev/mapper/root space size 322M used 265M left 41M 87% mounted on / |
| 15:35.08 | martin-_-_ | okay thanks |
| 15:35.09 | ToHellWithGA | petn-randall: thanks. i'll set a reminder for october. there's a guy in my office named "buster" so he'll be super confused when he sees his name on my calendar. |
| 15:35.11 | jelly | bernhardr: show the output of "vgs" and "lvs" |
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| 15:35.48 | martin-_-_ | could i also use gparted live for my sparc nas? |
| 15:36.19 | martin-_-_ | http://www.system-rescue-cd.org/SystemRescueCd_for_Sparc/ tells me it supports only sparc64 |
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| 15:36.27 | martin-_-_ | but im afraid that i got a sparc32 |
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| 15:36.40 | jrtc27 | martin-_-_: what's in /proc/cpuinfo? |
| 15:37.07 | martin-_-_ | https://paste.debian.net/924970/ |
| 15:37.11 | jelly | martin-_-_: you could, in theory, plug that disk into a different machine, and do resizing there. |
| 15:37.19 | bernhardr | jelly ok one moment |
| 15:38.11 | jelly | martin-_-_: but that gives a possibility of making the system unbootable back on NAS, so make backups and exercise caution |
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| 15:39.23 | jelly | martin-_-_: that 350MB in /var/lib/php5 looks suspicious. Inspect the contents. |
| 15:39.37 | martin-_-_ | jelly: i read on nas-central that when the nas boots it checks the checksum of the kernel from the hard disc with the checksum on the rom. if it differs it will reset the nas :/ |
| 15:39.59 | martin-_-_ | thanks jelly i will have a look on this |
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| 15:40.46 | martin-_-_ | strange |
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| 15:41.15 | martin-_-_ | it contains files like sess_vvuseueas01bhll36fi8csoqe6 |
| 15:41.28 | bernhardr | jelly https://pastebin.com/nySbkCWL |
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| 15:43.15 | bernhardr | jelly it only shows the 120 gb that i cloned form the 120 gb ssd drive. but it does not show the extra space of the 250 gb ssd (even though within gparted i can see the extra partition that i created for it 100gb). |
| 15:44.06 | bernhardr | jelly, but actully when i could resize the space for /root that would be fine for now to test if i can resize it.. |
| 15:44.16 | jelly | bernhardr: so you got a 90GB home LV but only 300MB for / ? |
| 15:44.51 | bernhardr | jelly yes.. It was an default server install debian seven some time ago.. |
| 15:45.06 | jelly | you could have shrinked that home a bit and that would have made space for / to be extended, no need for a new disk |
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| 15:45.44 | bernhardr | jelly, resizing /dev/mapper/root space 322M used 265M left 41M 87% / would solve my issue |
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| 15:45.50 | jelly | yes, guided partitioning from the installer leads the unwary user to pick some very strange recommendations |
| 15:45.53 | simbalion | Can someone point me to documentation for the --install option with update-alternatives? |
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| 15:47.02 | jelly | bernhardr: well, there's no need to have two partitions as separate PVs on the same disk |
| 15:47.34 | jelly | bernhardr: you can delete the new partition you just made, and grow the current /dev/sdc5 manually |
| 15:47.44 | bernhardr | jelly, ok, i can remove the newly created one.. |
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| 15:48.03 | jelly | or, if you want to save this 250G device, you can shrink home a bit, and keep using the 120G disk |
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| 15:48.15 | jelly | bernhardr: what will it be? |
| 15:48.55 | jelly | shrink home and keep using 120G disk, or grow sdc5 PV on this one? |
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| 15:50.10 | bernhardr | jelly first grow sdc5 pv on this one |
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| 15:50.59 | bernhardr | jelly do i need to delete the newly created 100 gb sda3 first right ? |
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| 15:51.38 | jelly | bernhardr: no need to, you can do both in one step. do a "sfdisk -d /dev/sda", redirect the output to a file, and also pastebin the output |
| 15:52.08 | jelly | that will just dump the current partition table in an easily editable format |
| 15:52.45 | jelly | bernhardr: also pastebin the output of "blockdev --getsize64 /dev/sda" and "lsblk" |
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| 15:53.18 | bernhardr | jelly in the mean time i deleted sda3 (so now got 113 gb unallocated space) plus the clomete inmage of the 120 gb acctive but locked. |
| 15:53.32 | jelly | martin-_-_: you may safely delete all the old sess_* files there. |
| 15:53.48 | martin-_-_ | jelly: done |
| 15:54.04 | jelly | martin-_-_: did that clean up enough space |
| 15:54.16 | martin-_-_ | 4.5mb are free :) |
| 15:54.48 | bernhardr | jelly can i still do sfdisk -d /dev/sda ? |
| 15:54.48 | jelly | martin-_-_: weird, what does "du /var/lib/php5" and also "ls -ld /var/lib/php5" say now |
| 15:55.04 | jelly | bernhardr: yes |
| 15:56.39 | martin-_-_ | damn... it still got 375mb |
| 15:56.50 | martin-_-_ | maybe i removed the wrong files |
| 15:57.02 | martin-_-_ | when executing /var/lib/frontview# rm /var/lib/php5/* -Rf -bash: /bin/rm: Argument list too long |
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| 15:59.20 | bernhardr | jelly ok https://pastebin.com/93DczZPj it takes me some time because i need to type it.. |
| 15:59.54 | jelly | martin-_-_: I didn't say to remove _all_ the files in there, or to use recursion, just the ones starting with sess_ |
| 16:00.34 | martin-_-_ | still the same error |
| 16:00.47 | jelly | martin-_-_: "Argument list too long" means your shell thinks you gave it too long a line and refused to run the command at all |
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| 16:01.41 | martin-_-_ | i need a shellscript with a for loop and remove each file with rm arg |
| 16:01.42 | jelly | martin-_-_: use "find" to delete them. find /var/lib/php5 -name 'sess_*' -type f -print0 | xargs -0 rm & |
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| 16:02.31 | bernhardr | jelly i will reboot that server so that i can copy past rthe output (now booted from usb so i cannot connect to it..) one moment |
| 16:02.36 | n4dir | i would assume find has the --delete option |
| 16:02.36 | jelly | martin-_-_: & puts the command in background. It will take a while, mostl likely there are millions of files in there. |
| 16:02.46 | jelly | n4dir: find version on lenny? |
| 16:03.14 | jelly | n4dir: my memory is not that good to remember such details |
| 16:03.28 | n4dir | i didn't even think that he is on lenny. |
| 16:03.31 | martin-_-_ | so there seems to be a wrong php config |
| 16:03.36 | n4dir | i avoid xargs like a plague, but anyway |
| 16:04.05 | martin-_-_ | maybe I should move the /var/lib/php5 folder to /c/var/libphp5 or something like that |
| 16:04.08 | jelly | bernhardr: hm, that doesn't look like output of "sfdisk -d ...", which command was that |
| 16:04.29 | jelly | martin-_-_: no |
| 16:04.44 | bernhardr | jelly one moment.. restarting and ill paste all info you requested |
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| 16:05.31 | jelly | martin-_-_: first wipe the stuff, see how much space is recovered |
| 16:06.09 | jelly | n4dir: they said it was an embedded copy of lenny on a NAS thing |
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| 16:06.30 | martin-_-_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:07.40 | n4dir | yeah, after you pointed it out i remembered it was mentioned above |
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| 16:08.11 | jelly | martin-_-_: this will keep filling up as long as you're using the web ui for the NAS |
| 16:08.11 | n4dir | at least we agree that find is the way to go :-) |
| 16:08.38 | jelly | martin-_-_: later releases have a cron job to wipe old php session files |
| 16:09.34 | martin-_-_ | when you say later releases you mean the php software? |
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| 16:09.39 | bernhardr | jelly here is the output https://pastebin.com/cj2YiwW9 |
| 16:09.42 | jelly | later debian releases. |
| 16:09.50 | martin-_-_ | ahh okay |
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| 16:11.52 | jelly | martin-_-_: if this system has cron installed and it is running, you can set up a job to run something like "/usr/bin/find /var/lib/php5 -name 'sess_*' -type f -mtime +5 -print0 | xargs -0 rm" every now and then |
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| 16:12.19 | martin-_-_ | yes there is cron installed |
| 16:12.33 | martin-_-_ | I'll add it to weekly |
| 16:12.38 | jelly | martin-_-_: also see if "find /var/lib/php5 -name 'sess_*' -type f -mtime +5 -delete" works or throws an error, that's a bit simpler and does the same thing |
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| 16:13.55 | martin-_-_ | jelly: find: invalid predicate `-delete' |
| 16:14.14 | martin-_-_ | find /var/lib/php5 -name 'sess_*' -type f -mtime +5 works |
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| 16:16.11 | sine0 | hi folks. I want to run a virtual desktop on an i5 from my home using debian. I normally install debian from net install min and use only headless mode. would it be better to install a full GUI version of debian and then setup remote desktop |
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| 16:17.38 | petn-randall | sine0: You don't need a different installer, if that is your question. |
| 16:17.58 | sine0 | I was going to grab the full version iso |
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| 16:18.05 | jelly | bernhardr: right. Now save that output of sfdisk, because if you mess up your partition table, it can be used to restore it. Then you can very carefully resize sda2 and sda5 to span the 250GB size of new device. |
| 16:18.07 | sine0 | but ill stick with net inst |
| 16:18.20 | jelly | bernhardr: the result would look something like this: http://paste.debian.net/plain/924975 |
| 16:18.39 | petn-randall | sine0: The full version will just save you a little bit of downloading during installation. |
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| 16:19.53 | jhutchins | sine0: Which you will make up for downloading the full image. |
| 16:20.08 | jelly | bernhardr: you can download that changed partition table into a file, and rewrite the partition table on disk using something like sfdisk -f /dev/sda < downloaded-file-name |
| 16:20.10 | Azulflame | sorry if this is OT, but is there a room for Raspberry Pi stuff? I can't pull the channel list right nowl |
| 16:20.10 | jhutchins | sine0: The full image contains a lot of stuff you won't use. |
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| 16:20.20 | bernhardr | jelly ok .. how do we continue.. currently i booted from that ssd. do i need to boot from usb disk again with gparted ? |
| 16:20.24 | jhutchins | !raspian |
| 16:20.24 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 16:20.34 | sine0 | jhutchins: i like it light ill just stick with it, got lan fibre connection anyway |
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| 16:20.48 | Azulflame | #join #raspian |
| 16:20.51 | jhutchins | Azulflame: I don't know if there's generic Pi channel, they might. |
| 16:20.59 | jelly | bernhardr: you don't have to, no, but you'll need to reboot after that to make kernel see the new sizes |
| 16:21.02 | Azulflame | ^ ignore my inability to type |
| 16:21.03 | sine0 | #raspbian |
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| 16:21.52 | jelly | bernhardr: sfdisk will complain a little because you're forcing it to write on disk that's currently in use |
| 16:21.56 | jelly | that's expected |
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| 16:22.54 | jelly | bernhardr: the important part is to notice how sda2 and sda5 start at EXACTLY the same sector as your old partition table, and are just extended a bit |
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| 16:23.55 | jelly | bernhardr: if you can, pastebin the output of sfdisk -f ... < file |
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| 16:24.21 | jelly | bernhardr: also, you can verify the partition table got written to, by doing "sfdisk -d /dev/sda" again |
| 16:24.23 | bernhardr | jelly one sec |
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| 16:27.11 | jelly | bernhardr: sometimes you don't even have to reboot after this, but can just run "partprobe /dev/sda" instead. This doesn't always work, often a reboot is required. |
| 16:27.58 | bernhardr | jelly i saved the content of this paste.. https://pastebin.com/cj2YiwW9 |
| 16:28.35 | bernhardr | jelly so how do i do i allocate the rest of the unused space to it ? |
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| 16:29.46 | bubbely | hi. i just installed debian (dvd1) and my wifi card is not detected. what can i do |
| 16:29.58 | greycat | !nonfree firmware |
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| 16:30.18 | greycat | !firmware |
| 16:30.18 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 16:30.20 | Azulflame | let's say I wanted to set up an alias "real" such that $ alias real='/usr/bin/', how could I set it so that I could do "realmd5" and run /usr/bin/md5sum ? |
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| 16:30.34 | greycat | Azulflame: that would be a separate alias. |
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| 16:31.01 | bernhardr | jelly when i look at my paste. sda2 and sda5 do not start exactly at the same ooint SDA2 start 501758 SDA5 start 501760 |
| 16:31.05 | rohit | hey guys, I was trying to install libfontconfig1, which got interrupted and now my dpkg is all messed up |
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| 16:31.22 | rohit | how can I correct it? |
| 16:31.29 | jelly | bernhardr: they start at exactly the same point in the new partition table, as they did in the old one |
| 16:31.33 | nkuttler | !tell rohit about errors |
| 16:31.38 | greycat | Azulflame: but you could make a FUNCTION named real (not an alias) and have a local PATH variable inside the function.... |
| 16:31.48 | Azulflame | I would want a master alias such that I can do "real <command>" and run "/usr/bin/<command>". Is there a way to do this with 1 alias, or would I have to do it for each individual program in /usr/bin ? |
| 16:32.27 | greycat | real() { local PATH=/usr/bin:$PATH; "$@"; } |
| 16:32.30 | bernhardr | jelly ok, how do we continue from here ? |
| 16:32.33 | jelly | bernhardr: I've taken the liberty to update the partition table at http://paste.debian.net/plain/924975, download that, and redirect into "sfdisk -f /dev/sda" |
| 16:32.45 | rohit | dpkg:error process package <package name>, there are lot of packages |
| 16:32.45 | dpkg | rohit: I think you lost me on that one |
| 16:33.33 | nkuttler | rohit: please paste the command + entire output on paste.debian.net |
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| 16:34.20 | jelly | bernhardr: I've only used exactly 250,000,000,000 bytes so you can clone the disk to some other 250G disk if need be, even if it has slightly less or slightly more space |
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| 16:34.52 | bernhardr | jelly i see your content.. i need to put that in a file and save it eg as ssd and then import it with sfdisk -f /dev/sda < downloaded-file-name |
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| 16:35.00 | jelly | bernhardr: yes |
| 16:35.06 | bernhardr | jelly ok one moment |
| 16:35.32 | Azulflame | since you are using ssds, I'm going to remind everyone that DD is not SSD friendly. Also, is sfdisk a SSD-friendly dd clone? |
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| 16:35.49 | jelly | bernhardr: wget http://paste.debian.net/plain/924975 && sfdisk -f /dev/sda < 924975 |
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| 16:36.10 | jelly | Azulflame: it's not a dd at all, it's a fdisk. |
| 16:36.16 | Azulflame | ah |
| 16:36.53 | bernhardr | jelly i wrote the file ssd and will now sfdisk -f /dev/sda < ssd |
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| 16:37.58 | rohit | http://paste.debian.net/plain/924978 |
| 16:38.08 | deepworld | ls |
| 16:38.15 | rohit | @nkuttler here is the link http://paste.debian.net/plain/924978 |
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| 16:38.18 | deepworld | oups ahah |
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| 16:38.31 | bernhardr | jelly this is the output after the command https://pastebin.com/32MjudUM |
| 16:39.28 | nkuttler | rohit: try a dpkg --configure -a |
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| 16:40.07 | rohit | did that |
| 16:40.10 | rohit | did not work |
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| 16:40.23 | nkuttler | rohit: what was the output? |
| 16:40.35 | rohit | same error as apt-get -f install error |
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| 16:42.22 | Trozz | does anyone use SSSD for AD auth? |
| 16:42.45 | greycat | !anyone |
| 16:42.45 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 16:42.47 | bubbely | https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Asus/X205TA i followed the instructions here to instal broadcom 43341 firmware and sitll no wlan0 device |
| 16:43.26 | nkuttler | rohit: is that paste the actual output? or did you remove anything? |
| 16:43.37 | bernhardr | jelly and this is the output of sfdisk -d /dev/sda https://pastebin.com/jf2KsNKB |
| 16:43.40 | nkuttler | rohit: anyway, i'd probably try to dpkg -r the offending packages next |
| 16:44.01 | jelly | bernhardr: so it didn't do anything |
| 16:44.13 | rohit | no |
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| 16:44.24 | rohit | its just the last part of the output |
| 16:44.28 | bubbely | jelly: still in the sme situatoin as yesterday =/ |
| 16:44.34 | nkuttler | rohit: .. yeah, that's not very useful... |
| 16:45.01 | jelly | bernhardr: which debian release is this? your sfdisk seems to behave different than the one in wheezy or jessie |
| 16:45.19 | bernhardr | Debian Wheezy |
| 16:45.37 | jelly | hmm |
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| 16:48.07 | bernhardr | jelly the fact that gparted also stated that that partition is locked could be the issue ?or prevented to change from bios ? |
| 16:48.33 | greycat | "locked"? Is it a failing USB mass storage device? |
| 16:49.08 | bernhardr | jelly actually just resizing the /root would give the same problem ? |
| 16:49.28 | rohit | @nkuttler here is the complete error |
| 16:49.29 | rohit | http://paste.debian.net/plain/924980 |
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| 16:51.28 | bubbely | is there an app to download deb with all its dependenceis? someone should make one... |
| 16:51.37 | jelly | bernhardr: try this instead: sfdisk -uS -f /dev/sda < file |
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| 16:52.30 | bernhardr | jelly sfdisk: can specify only one device (except with -l or -s) |
| 16:52.32 | Azulflame | bubbely, yeah, it's called apt-get |
| 16:52.57 | jelly | bernhardr: what was the exact command line you gave |
| 16:53.16 | bernhardr | jelly sfdisk -uS -f /dev/sda ssd |
| 16:53.25 | bubbely | Azulflame: without internet |
| 16:53.27 | jelly | bernhardr: you forgot < |
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| 16:53.41 | bubbely | Azulflame: maybe u can help.. https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Asus/X205TA <- i followed these wifi instructions and still no wlan0 detected |
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| 16:54.25 | Azulflame | have you made sure that the Wifi is enabled in Bios and that you haven't hit the hardware switch |
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| 16:55.10 | bubbely | my bios doesnt have anything in it about wifi |
| 16:55.14 | bubbely | and ya there is no hardware switch |
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| 16:56.36 | bubbely | oh |
| 16:56.40 | bubbely | maybe i turned on airplone mode by accident |
| 16:56.47 | bernhardr | jelly sfdisk -uS -f /dev/sda < ssd https://pastebin.com/yvakwmwx |
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| 16:57.22 | jelly | bernhardr: that's good! |
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| 16:57.41 | jelly | bernhardr: confirm with sfdisk -d /dev/sda it really wrote it |
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| 16:58.48 | bernhardr | jelly sfdisk -d /dev/sda https://pastebin.com/WvXYWiT7 |
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| 16:59.39 | jelly | bernhardr: so those are new sizes. now reboot, and after reboot you'll be able to do "pvresize /dev/sdc5", and then you'll have free space to grow any LV |
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| 17:00.02 | bernhardr | jelly ok first ill reboot :) |
| 17:00.31 | jelly | bernhardr: after reboot, do "pvs" and "vgs" before "pvresize /dev/sdc5", then do it again afterwares |
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| 17:02.17 | jelly | if it doesn't boot properly, then you learn not to trust random people on irc |
| 17:02.25 | jelly | so it's a win-win situation |
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| 17:03.35 | bernhardr | jelly pvs and vgs shows 119 GB https://pastebin.com/sH4KuZpu |
| 17:03.45 | bernhardr | jelly after reboot |
| 17:04.29 | jelly | yep, because lvm "format" on that partition has not been changed |
| 17:04.52 | jelly | bernhardr: now do "pvresize /dev/sda5" and look at the numbers again |
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| 17:05.43 | pldiem | test |
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| 17:05.54 | jelly | pldiem: test failed |
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| 17:06.06 | Braccio|D|Ferr0 | sera |
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| 17:06.53 | Meerkat | Why is this the case (404 not found) for so many debian packages? http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/e/eject/eject_2.1.5+deb1+cvs20081104-13.1+deb8u1_changelog |
| 17:07.16 | bernhardr | jelly ok.. it changed to 232 GB.. i reached past limit of pastebin hehe so i cant show the output.. |
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| 17:07.49 | jelly | bernhardr: now you can go resize / LV and filesystem without further reboots. |
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| 17:08.29 | bernhardr | jelly great, i learned a lot.. so how is this resing done for /root (the space that is giving me issues i guess).. |
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| 17:09.11 | rohit | hey guys, can anyone help me with these errors, http://paste.debian.net/plain/924980 |
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| 17:09.23 | jelly | bernhardr: eg. to resize it to 1GiB, lvresize -L 1G -r /dev/mapper/SSD-root |
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| 17:10.08 | jelly | bernhardr: -r will call "resize2fs" automatically to grow the filesystem structures, after resizing the LV device |
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| 17:10.28 | oftc_ftw | Hi all. I want to install clamav and the wiki entries most times suggest to install "optional dependencies" to ensure clamav can open/extract all files. However, the Debian package does not seem to have any such opt-dependencies or suggestions, e.g. bzip2 is not in there. |
| 17:10.30 | jelly | bernhardr: you can omit it, but then you have to run resize2fs /dev/mapper/SSD-root separately |
| 17:10.37 | synthnassizer | 1 |
| 17:10.53 | oftc_ftw | So, do I have to install these packages or not for clamav to be fully operational? |
| 17:11.24 | jelly | oftc_ftw: which wiki entries? |
| 17:11.50 | centrx | oftc_ftw: clamav depends on clamav-data, and clamav-data depends on several libraries including libbz2 |
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| 17:12.11 | bernhardr | jelly So it resize now to 1GiB with , lvresize -L 1G -r /dev/mapper/SSD-root |
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| 17:12.28 | oftc_ftw | jelly: the ones you find when you search for something like "Debian clamav installation" or something. |
| 17:12.45 | bernhardr | jelly the last two remarks i do not understand.. but i will try the command.. lvresize -L 1G -r /dev/mapper/SSD-root |
| 17:12.53 | oftc_ftw | bernhardr: i see, but bzip2 is not in there, right? That's what specifically made me wonder. |
| 17:13.01 | tw | bernhardr: that's a really bad idea to blindly try. |
| 17:13.03 | oftc_ftw | o sorry, centrx ^ |
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| 17:13.26 | tw | bernhardr: -L 1G sets a 1 GiB size, which is probably really, really wrong. |
| 17:13.47 | jelly | tw: it's a much better size than their current 300MB |
| 17:13.53 | tw | Then I take it back. |
| 17:14.01 | bernhardr | tw why ? the size is now 322 mb so yes 1 gb should be ok |
| 17:14.04 | jelly | tw: context is important! |
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| 17:14.35 | oftc_ftw | centrx: hmm, clamav-data doesn't seem to be a package: "Note, selecting 'clamav-freshclam' instead of 'clamav-data'" |
| 17:15.05 | centrx | oftc_ftw: oh sorry, I meant libclamav7 instead of clamav-data |
| 17:15.09 | bernhardr | jelly The filesystem on /dev/mapper/ssd-root is now 1048576 blocks long. should i need to do anything else for /root to take it in affect ? |
| 17:15.32 | jelly | bernhardr: /root is just a directory on the / mountpoint |
| 17:15.51 | tw | Check it with df -h to see if online resize worked. |
| 17:15.52 | jelly | bernhardr: look at "df" output and enjoy your extended filesystem. |
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| 17:16.01 | jelly | that's it |
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| 17:16.16 | oftc_ftw | centrx: ok, i see libclamav7 in the new packages to be installed, but none of these: arj bzip2 cabextract cpio file gzip lha ... |
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| 17:16.37 | centrx | oftc_ftw: It depends on the libraries, not the executables. Those libraries are used to extract/examine the archives |
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| 17:17.00 | centrx | oftc_ftw: so instead of bzip2, it depends on libbz2 |
| 17:17.05 | bernhardr | jelly /dev/mapper/ssd-root 1015880 272472 691236 29% / (got the extra space).. |
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| 17:17.13 | jelly | yep |
| 17:17.42 | oftc_ftw | centrx: So then all the Wiki entries about installing clamav are simply wrong and copy wrong info from other infos? |
| 17:17.57 | bernhardr | jelly can i use the same command to resize /usr (68% used of 8 gb) |
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| 17:18.06 | centrx | oftc_ftw: link? |
| 17:18.15 | oftc_ftw | centrx: it seems libbz2 is not in there :/ nor any other lib that matches |
| 17:18.20 | jelly | bernhardr: you now have lots of free space in the LVM volume group. Don't allocate all of it right away, but rather resize each mountpoint as needed, yes |
| 17:18.35 | bernhardr | jelly where does it shifts the space from ? from /home ? |
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| 17:18.45 | OtakuSenpai | ,v vimtutor |
| 17:18.46 | judd | No package named 'vimtutor' was found in amd64. |
| 17:19.03 | OtakuSenpai | whats the package name for vimtutor |
| 17:19.14 | Brigo | OtakuSenpai, i think it comes with vim |
| 17:19.19 | jelly | bernhardr: no, it's the larger /dev/sdc5 partition, you told the kernel to use all of it for LVM with that pvresize |
| 17:19.21 | OtakuSenpai | ok |
| 17:19.34 | centrx | oftc_ftw: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/libclamav7 |
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| 17:19.45 | Brigo | OtakuSenpai, vim-runtime |
| 17:19.52 | bernhardr | jelly Ah yes.. now i understand this is very cool jelly.. your the best :) |
| 17:20.09 | OtakuSenpai | Brigo: thnx |
| 17:20.19 | Brigo | OtakuSenpai, np |
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| 17:21.52 | bernhardr | jelly since the first ssd disk which is actually 120 gb.. this resing would not be that easy right ? first i would need to shrink for instance /home to give it too /dev/mapper/ssd-root ? |
| 17:22.06 | jelly | bernhardr: basically there's like 3-4 layers to get to the filesystem, and each needed extending from the bottom up. First you got a larger disk and cloned the data. Then you extended the partition used for LVM. Then you extended LVM structures on that partition. Then you extended logical volume and filesystem for / |
| 17:22.15 | jelly | bernhardr: yes. |
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| 17:23.31 | jelly | bernhardr: extending can almost always be done online without reboot, shrinking requires unmounting and some extra steps, and as it's done rarely, it's not very optimized (read: shrinking ext4 is horribly slow) |
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| 17:23.41 | oftc_ftw | centrx: i'm sorry, after intensely looking at the installation candidates, i realized that libbz2-1.0 is already installed on my machine. sorry for the noise... :/ |
| 17:23.54 | neilthereildeil | can interrupting a package installation with ctrl+c corrupt my package DB? |
| 17:23.55 | oftc_ftw | and thanks a lot |
| 17:24.09 | rohit | guys I am getting these error when I run "apt-get -f install" can you please help http://paste.debian.net/plain/924980 |
| 17:24.22 | jhutchins | ,v squirrelmail |
| 17:24.23 | judd | Package: squirrelmail on amd64 -- jessie: 2:1.4.23~svn20120406-2; wheezy: 2:1.4.23~svn20120406-2 |
| 17:24.39 | jelly | squirrelmail is a-dead! |
| 17:24.52 | jhutchins | !why is squirrelmail not in stretch? |
| 17:24.54 | dpkg | jhutchins: what are you talking about? |
| 17:25.06 | jelly | !bug rm squirrelmail |
| 17:25.12 | jelly | ,bug rm squirrelmail |
| 17:25.16 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/846069 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: squirrelmail -- RoQA; RC-buggy; little upstream activity»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-11-28; last modified: 2017-01-31. |
| 17:25.33 | jhutchins | Recommended replacement? |
| 17:25.34 | jelly | jhutchins: notice it's not in sid either. |
| 17:25.41 | jelly | roundcube possibly |
| 17:25.51 | jhutchins | I've heard that before. |
| 17:25.54 | bernhardr | jelly i was able upgrade the kernel now with the added space. i am very glad. thank you so much for your help. |
| 17:26.14 | jhutchins | ,v roundcube |
| 17:26.22 | judd | Package: roundcube on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.7.2-9+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 0.7.2-9+deb7u6; jessie-backports: 1.1.5+dfsg.1-1~bpo8+4; sid: 1.2.3+dfsg.1-3; stretch: 1.2.3+dfsg.1-3 |
| 17:26.22 | jelly | bernhardr: you're welcome. Have a nice day! |
| 17:26.48 | jelly | jhutchins: the one in jessie-bpo seems to be up-to-date on security fixes |
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| 17:27.14 | jelly | but it's still a typical php app with new security issues on a monthly basis |
| 17:27.56 | jhutchins | Yeah, I mostly update those from upstream, but I often install from the package so I'll have a standard framework and layout. |
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| 17:32.27 | doslas | hi |
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| 17:34.16 | doslas | i have this problem in Variety : There are SSL incompatibilities between your version of Python and some https sites like Wallhaven. |
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| 17:36.54 | jelly | doslas: what's "Variety"? |
| 17:36.56 | jelly | !ask |
| 17:36.56 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 17:37.38 | doslas | 8.7 |
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| 17:37.51 | doslas | "Variety"? |
| 17:37.57 | doslas | ok |
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| 17:38.44 | doslas | https://launchpad.net/variety |
| 17:39.43 | jelly | doslas: ok, did you install it from a debian repository or some other place? |
| 17:39.50 | jelly | ,v variety |
| 17:39.51 | judd | Package: variety on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 0.6.2-1~bpo8+1; sid: 0.6.3-1; stretch: 0.6.3-1; experimental: 0.6.3-2 |
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| 17:42.12 | doslas | i do not remember |
| 17:42.28 | jelly | doslas: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy variety" |
| 17:42.35 | jelly | !paste |
| 17:42.35 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 17:42.49 | doslas | ok |
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| 17:43.47 | doslas | http://paste.debian.net/924984/ |
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| 17:46.16 | russw | is there a way to check what package versions exist in backports? |
| 17:46.27 | russw | I tried `apt-cache -t jessie-backports policy xfce4`, but it gave the same as without the -t. |
| 17:46.42 | russw | not sure if that means no backport for xfce4, or if it ignored the -t |
| 17:48.05 | jelly | doslas: good, that seems to come from jessie-backports repo |
| 17:48.26 | doslas | good |
| 17:48.40 | zykotick9 | russw: i doubt there are any DEs in backports... |
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| 17:48.52 | russw | zykotick9: too sprawling? |
| 17:49.10 | altyr | ,v xfce4 |
| 17:49.11 | judd | Package: xfce4 on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.8.0.3; jessie: 4.10.1; stretch: 4.12.3; sid: 4.12.3 |
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| 17:50.12 | russw | interesting. I usually just stick to stable and use the odd backport... any recommendations on pulling that 4.12.3 into my system or should I avoid it? |
| 17:50.15 | jelly | russw: visit backports.debian.org and check there? "apt-cache policy xfce4" will tell you about ALL the available versions in ALL the configured repos. If you have jessie-backports configured and it's not listed, it means there's no package with such a name there. |
| 17:50.37 | russw | thx, jelly |
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| 17:51.47 | jelly | russw: unless someone somewhere has done all the work of backporting 4.12 for jessie, you can't |
| 17:52.00 | doslas | jelly any ideas? |
| 17:52.43 | jelly | doslas: not really, tried installing it but it looks complex enough that I don't want to give any advice |
| 17:52.45 | russw | jelly: isn't sid for jessie? |
| 17:52.55 | jelly | russw: jessie is for jessie. |
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| 17:54.24 | jelly | russw: sid, also called unstable, is basically the development branch of debian. You do not want to mix an installation of a stable release like jessie with unstable. |
| 17:54.31 | russw | ok, so why does stretch have a repo when it isn't official yet? I thought sid would be the leading edge until release point... but stretch was listed in that ,v command |
| 17:54.49 | doslas | jelly In order to show you the problem. |
| 17:54.49 | doslas | You must restart. |
| 17:54.49 | doslas | It works automatically with reboot |
| 17:55.17 | jelly | russw: for people wanting to help with the next release |
| 17:55.30 | russw | is it that stretch was feature-frozen while sid remains unconstrained? |
| 17:55.40 | jelly | yes and no... |
| 17:55.43 | jelly | !freeze |
| 17:55.43 | dpkg | The 'freeze' is when large changes to testing version of Debian are stopped for few months. During this period, no new package uploads are made except to fix critical bugs or to provide documentation updates. During the freeze, bugs are squashed to 'stabilize' the release to make the new 'stable'. Stretch started to freeze in Nov 2016 and entered full freeze on 5 Feb 2017. Also ask me about <slushy>, <stretch freeze>. |
| 17:55.44 | doslas | You'll see a message on your desktop |
| 17:55.47 | jelly | !slushy |
| 17:55.48 | dpkg | When a <testing> release becomes frozen, <unstable> tends to partially freeze as well. This is because developers are reluctant to upload radically new software to unstable, in case the frozen software in testing needs minor updates and to fix release critical bugs which keep testing from becoming <stable>. |
| 17:56.25 | jelly | doslas: maybe, but I don't have Gnome running and I'm not willing to mess this machine up too much, using it for work |
| 17:56.59 | russw | awesome. thx, jelly. |
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| 17:57.22 | russw | So when in slushy mode, where do radical changes happen? private repos only? |
| 17:57.29 | doslas | There is nothing wrong |
| 17:57.43 | doslas | send you a picture.Ø |
| 17:58.03 | russw | nm... I guess that is where it always happens since it is only what changes are accepted to sid, anyway. |
| 17:58.09 | doslas | Website Images Please? |
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| 17:59.24 | jelly | doslas: imgur.com, picpaste.com |
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| 18:00.07 | jelly | russw: some of it goes to experimental, but there're no rules really |
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| 18:00.12 | doslas | i will reboot and i take a picture |
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| 18:06.21 | autofsckk | hi, im using debian for the first time and its really great so far :D i still have to configure but it has been a great experience until now |
| 18:06.51 | autofsckk | just wanna say thanks to the group that makes that possible :D |
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| 18:08.14 | abff | :) there are thousands of dev teams |
| 18:08.27 | doslas | http://picpaste.com/2017-03-29--1490810707_1366x768_scrot-JPy7Mxlm.png |
| 18:08.41 | doslas | <jelly> |
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| 18:10.28 | autofsckk | ive been using linux for years, but never debian, almost arch all the time, maybe like 7-8 years, tired of the brake all updates, that rolling release is very expensive on time consumption jajaja |
| 18:10.46 | jelly | doslas: I guess that's why they have a script called /usr/share/variety/scripts/install_ssl_deps.sh in the package. Maybe you want to take a look at what it does, and run it (as root?) if it's safe |
| 18:10.50 | autofsckk | abff : are you one dev? |
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| 18:11.14 | abff | Not yet, I haven't the confidence |
| 18:11.26 | abff | Though I do know one, I'll pass it on :) |
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| 18:12.32 | doslas | I did more than once But it did not work |
| 18:13.50 | doslas | I have something to try to do to make it work |
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| 18:14.42 | Azulflame | autofsckk, to speed up your boot process, you may want to put 'kill -9 -1' in your .bashrc. It'll stop the loading of mostly unnecessary processes. |
| 18:14.52 | Azulflame | (just kidding, don't do that) |
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| 18:15.42 | hagabaka | I'm on 9.0 and I can't install php5-mysql any more, even though I added debian-ports. Is that expected, and is there a easy way to fix that? |
| 18:16.18 | jhutchins | ,v php5-mysql |
| 18:16.19 | judd | Package: php5-mysql on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.4.45-0+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 5.4.45-0+deb7u8; jessie: 5.6.29+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 5.6.30+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.6.30+dfsg-0+deb8u1 |
| 18:16.22 | autofsckk | Azulflame: jajaja thanks |
| 18:16.24 | missmbob | what the hell is debian-ports? |
| 18:16.33 | jhutchins | ,v php7-mysql |
| 18:16.35 | judd | No package named 'php7-mysql' was found in amd64. |
| 18:16.44 | jhutchins | ,v php7 |
| 18:16.45 | judd | No package named 'php7' was found in amd64. |
| 18:16.46 | Azulflame | I think he's referring to debian backports repo, which has updates ported to previous versions |
| 18:17.00 | FinalX | judd: there's no mysql in stretch and there's no php7 in jessie. |
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| 18:17.16 | FinalX | eh, jhutchins |
| 18:17.24 | missmbob | Azulflame: wouldnt use jessie-backports when he's on debian 9 |
| 18:17.30 | Azulflame | ah |
| 18:17.31 | jhutchins | FinalX: So what replaces mysql? Maria? |
| 18:17.35 | FinalX | yes, mariadb |
| 18:17.50 | abff | mariadb :) |
| 18:17.53 | greycat | ,v mariadb |
| 18:17.55 | judd | No package named 'mariadb' was found in amd64. |
| 18:17.59 | jhutchins | FinalX: Stretch does get php7, right? |
| 18:18.01 | greycat | ,v mariadb-server |
| 18:18.02 | judd | Package: mariadb-server on amd64 -- jessie-security: 10.0.25-0+deb8u1; jessie: 10.0.25-0+deb8u1; jessie: 10.0.27-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 10.0.30-0+deb8u1; sid: 10.1.21-1; stretch: 10.1.22-1; sid: 10.1.22-2 |
| 18:18.17 | greycat | ,v php7-fpm |
| 18:18.18 | judd | No package named 'php7-fpm' was found in amd64. |
| 18:18.22 | greycat | Pssht. |
| 18:18.48 | greycat | ,v php7.0-fpm |
| 18:18.49 | judd | Package: php7.0-fpm on amd64 -- sid: 7.0.16-3; stretch: 7.0.16-3 |
| 18:18.50 | FinalX | it's php7.0 |
| 18:18.54 | greycat | Wow, that is obnoxious. |
| 18:19.01 | FinalX | as you can now run multiple php versions next to eachother |
| 18:19.05 | FinalX | incl 7.0 and 7.1 on the same machine |
| 18:19.22 | FinalX | they no longer have conflicting paths |
| 18:19.48 | greycat | Oh, there's a php-fpm without ANY version digits. That's OK then. |
| 18:20.13 | jhutchins | FinalX: Good luck getting mod-php to work with that. |
| 18:20.42 | hagabaka | missmbob, I meant debports |
| 18:21.17 | hagabaka | I have unstable enabled in apt/sources.list too, and https://packages.debian.org/sid/php5-mysql says [debports] |
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| 18:21.56 | FinalX | jhutchins: ? |
| 18:21.58 | somiaj | hagabaka: scroll down, you'll see that the package is only sticking around in arm64 (unoffical port) |
| 18:22.12 | hagabaka | oh |
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| 18:22.35 | FinalX | jhutchins: with what? I'm not the one who needs to get it to work? you were querying for it. mariadb is an in-place replacement for mysql anyway. plus, nobody should use mod_php. nobody. |
| 18:22.39 | somiaj | if you mouse over debports it also says what it means |
| 18:22.47 | jhutchins | !debports |
| 18:22.48 | dpkg | well, debports is a perl script to create a BSD-like ports structure on debian systems; get it at <http://www.the-labs.com/Linux/debports> |
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| 18:23.06 | jhutchins | https://www.ports.debian.org/ |
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| 18:24.09 | somiaj | in this case it is just what p.d.o gives to packages that are in unoffical ports but not in the main supported ports. |
| 18:24.38 | hagabaka | so do I have to build it myself? |
| 18:25.08 | jhutchins | hagabaka: How did you add the debports repo? Paste just that line. |
| 18:25.32 | somiaj | jhutchins: he is talking about https://packages.debian.org/sid/php5-mysql -- makes it look like the package is in sid when it isn't |
| 18:25.49 | somiaj | hagabaka: use mariadb, sid doesn't have mysql packages anymore. |
| 18:25.51 | hagabaka | jhutchins, I added the three lines from https://www.ports.debian.org/archive |
| 18:26.48 | hagabaka | I don't see any package for php and mariadb eitehr |
| 18:26.57 | FinalX | hagabaka: as to your original question, Debian 9 isn't supported here until it's officially released. but to respond to your "is that expected": yes, PHP 5.6's final release and support ended last january. Debian 9/stretch ships with PHP 7.0 for that reason. You shouldn't try to downgrade at all. |
| 18:27.39 | hagabaka | ls |
| 18:27.41 | hagabaka | oops |
| 18:27.47 | altyr | FinalX: so what package is going to supply mariadb/mysql support for php in stretch? there doesn't seem to be any php{5,7}-{maria,mysql} around |
| 18:27.54 | jelly | hagabaka: there is no php5 in stretch |
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| 18:28.02 | somiaj | hagabaka: you don't use that repo, what arch are you using? |
| 18:28.11 | hagabaka | amd64 |
| 18:28.20 | jelly | hagabaka: php7.0-mysql |
| 18:28.28 | jelly | is probably what you're after |
| 18:28.41 | somiaj | hagabaka: so there is no reason to add www.ports.debian.org to your sources.list, they are for arches you are not using. |
| 18:28.46 | greycat | having to put that .0 in the middle of the package names is a real bitch |
| 18:28.50 | altyr | oh, it has a .0 |
| 18:29.00 | FinalX | obviously. I just explained why it has an added .0. |
| 18:29.01 | hagabaka | I don't think my php code is compatible with 7.0 :/ |
| 18:29.10 | FinalX | PHP moved to multiple installable versions. |
| 18:29.11 | jhutchins | I would expect you would have to use something like -t stretch-ports |
| 18:29.14 | somiaj | hagabaka: are you running a server on sid? |
| 18:29.22 | FinalX | biggest change between 5.6 and 7.0 our customers experience is the lack of mysql_* functions. |
| 18:29.25 | greycat | somiaj: he's using PHP |
| 18:29.38 | greycat | 'nuff said, right? |
| 18:29.38 | jelly | hagabaka: then you probably don't want stretch ("debian 9") |
| 18:29.43 | FinalX | root@stretch:/# apt-cache search php7 mysql |
| 18:29.44 | somiaj | jhutchins: I don't think ports work like that, they are for unoffical arches, not just another repo. |
| 18:29.46 | FinalX | php7.0-mysql - MySQL module for PHP |
| 18:29.48 | jhutchins | altyr: Maria installs as mysql iirc. |
| 18:29.49 | FinalX | really wasn't THAT hard |
| 18:29.54 | hagabaka | ok |
| 18:29.57 | jelly | FinalX: or even just apt-cache search php mysql |
| 18:29.58 | jhutchins | I believe they conflict. |
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| 18:30.14 | hagabaka | so what distro is the latest that still supports php5? |
| 18:30.25 | somiaj | hagabaka: sounds like you should be using debian jessie. |
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| 18:30.29 | jelly | hagabaka: debian 8 (jessie), current release |
| 18:30.35 | greycat | Jessie is the latest stable release, and it has PHP5. |
| 18:30.46 | neilthereildeil | hey guys, im having a lot package dependency issues on Debian |
| 18:30.53 | somiaj | !bat |
| 18:30.53 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 18:31.07 | somiaj | neilthereildeil: maybe start with giving us the output of apt-cache policy at paste.debian.net |
| 18:31.29 | jelly | nah, start by providing ALL OF THE ABOVE |
| 18:31.40 | jelly | those CAPS are there for a reason |
| 18:31.44 | jhutchins | hagabaka: The problem is that PHP5 is End-of-Life and not supported any more. |
| 18:31.51 | neilthereildeil | http://paste.debian.net/924994/ |
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| 18:32.13 | hagabaka | jhutchins, I know, but we have a lot of old PHP code that we still need to run |
| 18:32.40 | neilthereildeil | somiaj: apt-get install -f gives a lot of errors also |
| 18:32.41 | jelly | hagabaka: eh, we still have php 5.2 code. |
| 18:33.10 | jelly | kinda sorta works on debian 7 with php5 transplanted from 6 |
| 18:33.14 | somiaj | neilthereildeil: yea we'll need more details, I was just wanting to check if your sources.list seemed sane. Execpt for that skype repo it looks fine. What package did you install to cause these problems. |
| 18:33.17 | neilthereildeil | http://paste.debian.net/924995/ |
| 18:33.33 | altyr | jhutchins: it even depends on some mysql packages. there are some real balancing acts going on |
| 18:34.22 | neilthereildeil | libfont, libfontconfig1 |
| 18:34.29 | neilthereildeil | not X doesnt start on reboot |
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| 18:34.33 | neilthereildeil | now* |
| 18:34.51 | neilthereildeil | i think its a package DB issue on the machine |
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| 18:35.55 | jelly | neilthereildeil: see all the package names conflicting with each other, listed near the bottom of that output? Do step 2. from what dpkg said. |
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| 18:36.47 | jelly | neilthereildeil: you probably removed a metapackage that held the installation together at some point in recent past. |
| 18:36.50 | neilthereildeil | yea i already ran "apt-get autoremove" |
| 18:37.01 | somiaj | neilthereildeil: the main package I see causing you trouble is libgtk2.0-0:amd64, make sure to at least include that in your apt-cache policy line |
| 18:37.38 | neilthereildeil | http://paste.debian.net/924996/ |
| 18:37.53 | neilthereildeil | somiaj: what am i supposed to do to inlcude it? |
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| 18:38.27 | somiaj | neilthereildeil: as jelly said, do step 2 the bot dpkg said, list all the packages that are having trouble. The main one being libgtk2.0-0:amd64 |
| 18:38.59 | jhutchins | altyr: Yay! I get to be the subject matter expert for our leap from 5.3 to 7. |
| 18:39.04 | neilthereildeil | ohh i just saw that above |
| 18:39.41 | neilthereildeil | http://paste.debian.net/924998/ |
| 18:39.56 | jhutchins | Did we gegt neilthereildeil's source list yet? This is not release conflicts? |
| 18:40.12 | somiaj | jhutchins: stock jessie sources + a skyp repo |
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| 18:40.37 | jhutchins | somiaj: Fun. |
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| 18:40.56 | altyr | jhutchins: congratulations! i'm sure there will be no funny changes in behavior. |
| 18:40.56 | neilthereildeil | skype seems to be the only nonstandrd thing here. could that be the cause? |
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| 18:41.20 | somiaj | something strange is going on, the error that was original posted said "ackage libgtk2.0-0:amd64 is not installed." but that last line said it is installed, did you do something between the apt-get -f install line you pasted and that last paste? |
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| 18:41.58 | neilthereildeil | i tried to install kde-full, but that failed |
| 18:42.05 | jhutchins | altyr: It's stock WordPress, which supposedly _requires_ 7.0 (but runs on 5.x), my main concern is integration with mod-php in apache. |
| 18:42.15 | jhutchins | altyr: That or converting to php-fpm |
| 18:42.46 | neilthereildeil | when installing libgtk explicitly, it says its already the newest version |
| 18:42.47 | jhutchins | altyr: Our provider did a parallel install, and I couldn't find any way to get it to run except from the cli. |
| 18:42.59 | jhutchins | altyr: I don't think they installed everything. |
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| 18:43.23 | somiaj | neilthereildeil: what is the output of 'dpkg --configure -a' |
| 18:43.40 | neilthereildeil | nothing |
| 18:44.12 | oftc_ftw | Hi all. Is there a way to see why a certain package suggests (in apt) another package? |
| 18:44.25 | somiaj | neilthereildeil: okay, now the output of apt-get -f install again |
| 18:44.28 | oftc_ftw | Why as in why did someone add this suggestion |
| 18:44.53 | greycat | oftc_ftw: No. It's just a metadata field in the package DB. |
| 18:44.55 | altyr | jhutchins: oof. i jumped ship to php-fpm a while back, so i wouldn't know how stretch apache handles that. i'm sure the maintainer managed to get it to work somehow? |
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| 18:45.23 | hagabaka | so I cleared apt/sources.list and left only jessie and jessie-updates, and edited /etc/apt/preferences to say "Pin: release a=jessie-updates", and I still can't install php5-mysql |
| 18:46.09 | somiaj | oftc_ftw: /usr/share/doc/packagename/changelog.Debian.gz should list some things, if a package was added to the suggested list it should be documented there. This may list a bug number or some other reason as the why. |
| 18:46.13 | jhutchins | altyr: So php-fpm does still exist, they just didn't install it. |
| 18:46.19 | neilthereildeil | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/924999/ |
| 18:46.33 | somiaj | hagabaka: you don't want to mix stretch/sid/jessie. Since you had upgraded to sid, you'll need to reinstall to run jessie |
| 18:46.47 | oftc_ftw | greycat: ok thanks! |
| 18:47.05 | oftc_ftw | somiaj: thanks, going to check it |
| 18:47.06 | somiaj | neilthereildeil: try this, apt-get --reinstall install libgtk2.0-0 |
| 18:47.09 | jhutchins | oftc_ftw: The packager thinks the suggested package would be useful if you're using this package, but it's not essential. |
| 18:47.13 | hagabaka | can't it just downgrade packages automatically? |
| 18:47.20 | somiaj | !downgrade |
| 18:47.20 | missmbob | hagabaka: no |
| 18:47.20 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 18:47.23 | somiaj | hagabaka: no |
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| 18:47.58 | neilthereildeil | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/925000/ |
| 18:48.25 | neilthereildeil | somiaj: looks like it was sucessfully reinstalled... |
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| 18:49.00 | jhutchins | hagabaka: RPM can do downgrades because the repos contain every version of each package under that release. |
| 18:49.06 | neilthereildeil | jhutchins: could this be conflicts in the package repo? |
| 18:49.29 | jhutchins | neilthereildeil: Unlikely, thousands of users would be afffected. |
| 18:49.47 | somiaj | neilthereildeil: you should be fixed now, try apt-get -f install again |
| 18:49.58 | somiaj | neilthereildeil: and don't run apt-get autoremove, you most likely don't want to remove all those packages |
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| 18:50.16 | neilthereildeil | oh cool i think that worked |
| 18:50.22 | neilthereildeil | the errors are gone |
| 18:50.50 | neilthereildeil | somiaj: so the issue was a partial install of libgtk? |
| 18:51.06 | hagabaka | so is this just wrong? http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/117122/how-to-get-back-from-testing-to-stable-kernel-downgrade |
| 18:51.21 | somiaj | neilthereildeil: yea, the install of that package errored out and needed to be reinstalled. |
| 18:51.39 | neilthereildeil | impressive. thanks a lot |
| 18:51.51 | somiaj | hagabaka: you can try to downgrade, it is not supported. And in your situation I suggest a reinstall with jessie since you have mixed things togehter |
| 18:51.54 | somiaj | !don't break debian |
| 18:51.54 | dpkg | somebody said dont break debian was https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 18:51.58 | somiaj | hagabaka: you should read that ^^ |
| 18:52.01 | neilthereildeil | can i try reinstalling libfont/libcontconfig1 now? |
| 18:52.13 | somiaj | neilthereildeil: you'll be fine. |
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| 18:52.46 | jelly | neilthereildeil: also, do you remember if you picked any desktop environment at installation time and which one? lots of xfce-related stuff in the autoremove list |
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| 18:53.23 | somiaj | neilthereildeil: yuo may need to figure out what meta package to install to hold most those autoremoves in, try this, apt-mark manual xfce4 or just apt-get install xfce4 to make sure you hold in your de |
| 18:53.37 | oftc_ftw | Ok, so I checked the Debian changelog for amavisd-new and found that [1] added the suggestions for p7zip, rpm, unrar-free, ... but no explanation why. Does anyone know why I should install these even though clamav does not use/require them? What would amavisd do with these binaries? [1] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=511226 |
| 18:53.38 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/511226 in amavisd-new (closed): «amavisd-new: include p7zip,rpm,pax,unrar-free in recommends»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2009-01-08; last modified: 2009-03-31. |
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| 18:54.04 | somiaj | oftc_ftw: suggested packages will not be installed by default and are not needed for most use of the package. |
| 18:54.20 | somiaj | oftc_ftw: or do you mean recommeneded packages? |
| 18:54.48 | oftc_ftw | No, its suggest, but why suggest something (apparently) completely useless? |
| 18:55.08 | somiaj | oftc_ftw: it is something a user sees when installing and then might go, oh I also need that thanks. |
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| 18:55.45 | neilthereildeil | ok im just installing xfce4 |
| 18:55.47 | oftc_ftw | somiaj: Now I go "oh well, why would I need these? Am I missing something?" |
| 18:55.54 | altyr | oftc_ftw: why would those be useless? doesn't amavisd-new have to unpack stuff in order to scan it? |
| 18:56.06 | jhutchins | oftc_ftw: It suggests those packges because they would be used to open those tipes of packages in order to scan their content. |
| 18:56.10 | oftc_ftw | altyr: i think it passes stuff to clamav and clamav doesn' |
| 18:56.14 | oftc_ftw | doesn't need it |
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| 18:56.32 | somiaj | oftc_ftw: clamav can't read the contents of archives, so it might be useful to be able to unpack them to scan them. |
| 18:56.39 | oftc_ftw | why would amavis unpack the file and pass it to clamav instead of having clamav unpack it? |
| 18:56.48 | oftc_ftw | wait, what? |
| 18:57.04 | jhutchins | oftc_ftw: Because clamav doesn't do unpack. That's why amavisid is there. |
| 18:57.20 | somiaj | clamav isn't an archiver, so it won't unpack stuff. Now if you have the additional tools to unpack the package, clamav can use them. |
| 18:57.45 | somiaj | hence most likely why they are suggested as they can be used with clamav |
| 18:57.46 | oftc_ftw | ok, i assumed clamav does unpack, hence the dependency for libbz2 and stuff :/ |
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| 18:58.24 | oftc_ftw | the clamav website states that clamav does support unpacking |
| 18:58.36 | oftc_ftw | "ClamAV supports multiple file formats, file and archive unpacking, and multiple signature languages" |
| 18:59.17 | neilthereildeil | somiaj: ok, xrfce4 installed. i rebooted but dont see X |
| 18:59.26 | neilthereildeil | how can i fix X now? |
| 18:59.39 | jhutchins | oftc_ftw: clamav does three things: take up space on disk, burn CPU cycles, satisfy audit requirements that a virus scanner be installed. |
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| 18:59.41 | greycat | neilthereildeil: Does startx work? |
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| 18:59.57 | oftc_ftw | jhutchins: not productive ;) |
| 18:59.57 | somiaj | neilthereildeil: figure out what is wrong with X, do you have a display manager installed? Dies startx work? What kinda of errors do you get from startx or in your Xorg.0.log file |
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| 19:00.11 | jhutchins | oftc_ftw: Correct. |
| 19:00.39 | altyr | oftc_ftw: do clamav's libraries have support for *all* the formats? the ones suggested by amavisd might be an expension. |
| 19:00.53 | neilthereildeil | startx works |
| 19:00.54 | missmbob | neilthereildeil: install lightdm. probably got removed with your autoremove |
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| 19:01.11 | somiaj | oftc_ftw: clamav isn't unpacking stuff, it is using other tools to do the unpacking. These are made as suggested packages so one really only needs to install the tools for the types of files they want to scan. |
| 19:01.42 | neilthereildeil | yea startx starts xfce on desktop directly |
| 19:01.48 | neilthereildeil | no login screen |
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| 19:01.52 | neilthereildeil | im guessing that slightdm |
| 19:01.55 | neilthereildeil | installing lightdm now |
| 19:02.04 | somiaj | you just lost your displaymanager installing one should fix that |
| 19:02.15 | neilthereildeil | actually wait, can i make kde and KDM the default? |
| 19:02.28 | jhutchins | neilthereildeil: Sure. |
| 19:02.29 | jelly | !install kde |
| 19:02.29 | dpkg | The 'kde-standard' package gets you the common set-up, 'kde-plasma-desktop' and 'kde-plasma-netbook' provide minimal KDE 4 setups with respective flavouring, and 'kde-full' installs everything KDE 4. To install using Debian-Installer (if not using KDE CD-1): from the 'Software selection' dialog, choose "KDE" (use space bar to toggle selections), then "Continue". |
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| 19:05.53 | neilthereildeil | how can i set KDE as default window manager, rather than xfce? |
| 19:06.45 | greycat | neilthereildeil: update-alternatives --config x-session-manager (I think) |
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| 19:07.50 | somiaj | neilthereildeil: light dm should have a button/menu you can use if you have kde installed to select which to log into |
| 19:08.32 | somiaj | neilthereildeil: and if using kde you can remove xfce, I just thought that was another issue and didn't want you to uninstall your desktop |
| 19:08.52 | oftc_ftw | altyr: okay, granted. |
| 19:09.10 | oftc_ftw | somiaj: the suggestions are for amavisd-new, not for clamav itself - hence the question. |
| 19:10.23 | oftc_ftw | i guess i will just install them to be sure... :/ |
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| 19:14.37 | xhip | quick question.. how can I install g++ on devian? |
| 19:14.52 | greycat | xhip: apt-get install build-essential |
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| 19:15.11 | xhip | awesome I will try it |
| 19:16.06 | xhip | it says that I already have it.. hmm |
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| 19:16.39 | xhip | but when I do ./configure I get "checking dependency style of g++... gcc3" |
| 19:16.52 | xhip | checking whether g++ supports C++11 features by default... no |
| 19:17.00 | xhip | and others |
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| 19:17.02 | AlexPortable | How do I install go 1.4 on debian? |
| 19:17.05 | xhip | with this final msg.. |
| 19:17.05 | xhip | configure: error: *** A compiler with support for C++11 language features is required. |
| 19:17.24 | somiaj | oftc_ftw: they are optional things that you may need, if you don't use those type of archives you won't need them |
| 19:17.56 | greycat | xhip: what version of Debian is this? |
| 19:18.05 | xhip | let me check |
| 19:18.18 | somiaj | ,v golang |
| 19:18.18 | xhip | Debian 3.2.86-1 |
| 19:18.18 | judd | Package: golang on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:1.0.2-1.1; wheezy-backports: 2:1.3.3-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:1.3.3-1; jessie-backports: 2:1.5.1-4~bpo8+1; jessie-backports: 2:1.7~5~bpo8+1; stretch: 2:1.7~5; sid: 2:1.7~5; experimental: 2:1.8~1 |
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| 19:18.51 | somiaj | AlexPortable: would 1.7 work, it seems that is in jessie-backports. Thought I'm seeing a 1.5 in jessie backports from that bot too. |
| 19:19.16 | AlexPortable | i havei installed 1.3.3 |
| 19:19.27 | AlexPortable | now tried this tutorial https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-go-1-6-on-ubuntu-14-04 |
| 19:19.30 | AlexPortable | or well this one says 1.3.3 |
| 19:19.32 | AlexPortable | but i need 1.4 |
| 19:19.47 | somiaj | AlexPortable: you running debian jessie? |
| 19:20.02 | greycat | xhip: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 19:20.13 | AlexPortable | 8.5 |
| 19:20.17 | xhip | 7.11 |
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| 19:20.32 | xhip | @greycat do I need to update my distro? |
| 19:20.33 | mefistofeles | hey |
| 19:20.36 | somiaj | AlexPortable: install the golang package from jessie-backports. |
| 19:20.43 | somiaj | AlexPortable: it won't be 1.4, but it will be newer than 1.4 |
| 19:20.46 | greycat | xhip: That's wheezy, which should have g++ version 4.7.2. Is that new enough? |
| 19:21.05 | greycat | xhip: I am quite confused by the "gcc3" in your ./configure output |
| 19:21.18 | xhip | hmm |
| 19:21.26 | xhip | the thing is I'm trying to install this https://github.com/jart/hiptext @greycat |
| 19:21.30 | mefistofeles | I installed dropbear to setup a small ssh server at boot (with initramfs) but I'm not sure where are the ssh keys stored in this case, do you know? |
| 19:21.36 | xhip | but it faisl on ./configure |
| 19:21.44 | xhip | "configure: error: *** A compiler with support for C++11 language features is required." |
| 19:21.49 | greycat | xhip: what does "g++ -v | tail -1" say? |
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| 19:22.02 | xhip | oh so I have it |
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| 19:22.04 | greycat | CRAAAAAP. It's on stderr. Gods. |
| 19:22.15 | xhip | gcc version 4.7.2 (Debian 4.7.2-5) @greycat |
| 19:22.43 | AlexPortable | somiaj: put it into sources list and renewed. how can I install the one from backports? |
| 19:22.58 | greycat | Yes, that's correct for wheezy. I don't understand your ./configure output. Did you set any weird env vars or pass any arguments to configure that might be telling it to use an older compiler? |
| 19:23.17 | xhip | let me pastebin this |
| 19:23.39 | somiaj | AlexPortable: apt-get -t jessie-backports packagename |
| 19:23.45 | AlexPortable | why -t ? |
| 19:23.47 | somiaj | AlexPortable: apt-get -t jessie-backports install packagename |
| 19:24.04 | somiaj | AlexPortable: by default jessie-backport packages will not be installed (for good reasons), so you have to manually tell apt-get when you want to install jessie-backport packages |
| 19:24.15 | xhip | https://pastebin.com/YGmEVMxb @greycat |
| 19:24.50 | greycat | 13. checking for g++... g++ |
| 19:25.14 | greycat | I don't know C++. Is 4.7.2 too old or something? |
| 19:25.42 | xhip | hm |
| 19:26.06 | missmbob | "You need clang or gcc >=4.7." |
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| 19:27.26 | xhip | ye |
| 19:27.30 | xhip | but 4.7 its ok |
| 19:27.40 | xhip | I have 4.7.2.. I think |
| 19:27.49 | greycat | You may have to go to the support channel (or mailing list) for this application. |
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| 19:27.59 | xhip | gcc (Debian 4.7.2-5) 4.7.2 |
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| 19:28.21 | xhip | oh ok I thought it was something that I was missing |
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| 19:30.03 | bubbely | whats the key combination to enter a shell |
| 19:30.29 | greycat | From what context? |
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| 19:34.52 | bubbely | found it |
| 19:35.01 | bubbely | anyway, iwconfig finds no wireless extensions --- i dont know why |
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| 19:39.33 | bubbely | nah |
| 19:39.34 | bubbely | only lo |
| 19:39.35 | bubbely | no wlan |
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| 19:48.13 | bubbely | BluesKaj: any ideas? |
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| 19:50.45 | BluesKaj | bubbely, does lspci even show a "Wirekess Network Adapter" ? |
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| 19:51.08 | bubbely | No. Strange though, i had a different install of debian earlier and it did |
| 19:51.40 | BluesKaj | which debian are you running? |
| 19:51.47 | bubbely | jessie 32bit |
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| 19:52.28 | BluesKaj | which chip, do you recall from the previous install? |
| 19:53.04 | bubbely | brcm Broadcom 43341 |
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| 19:53.12 | bubbely | https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Asus/X205TA i followed these instructions |
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| 19:53.16 | bubbely | they dont work on this debian tho |
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| 19:57.25 | bubbely | BluesKaj: makes sense 2 u ? |
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| 20:02.28 | bubbely | oh i see |
| 20:02.31 | bubbely | i need a higher kernel version |
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| 20:02.43 | bubbely | need kernel > 4 |
| 20:03.07 | greycat | Stretch has a 4.9.x kernel. |
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| 20:03.26 | missmbob | jessie-backports has 4.9. no need to upgrade to stretch |
| 20:03.28 | greycat | https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/stretch_di_rc2/ |
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| 20:03.45 | missmbob | or that. *shrug* |
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| 20:04.05 | greycat | But... yeah, if you HAVE a network already (ethernet or whatever) and you can install backports using that to get your OTHER network up, then you can go that route. |
| 20:04.51 | bubbely | yeah no |
| 20:04.53 | bubbely | no network |
| 20:05.15 | greycat | (But, again, here you are.) |
| 20:05.36 | BluesKaj | `bu yes floow grecat's advice , that's what i had to do with my laptop to get the 4313 driver |
| 20:05.42 | BluesKaj | bubbely,^ |
| 20:05.57 | greycat | I got the url by putting "stretch nonfree installer" into google. |
| 20:05.58 | BluesKaj | greycat even :-) |
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| 20:06.42 | bubbely | missmbob: are u saying the link greycat sent me i should use to reinstall debian? |
| 20:07.08 | missmbob | bubbely: sure |
| 20:07.13 | bubbely | =( |
| 20:07.20 | bubbely | does that come with cinammon |
| 20:07.25 | bubbely | or is there an easier way |
| 20:07.34 | greycat | It comes with whatever you want, once you have a network. |
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| 20:08.44 | bubbely | is that my quickest option |
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| 20:09.10 | missmbob | for newbies yeah |
| 20:09.18 | bubbely | k |
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| 21:09.48 | jhutchins | bubbely: tias |
| 21:09.59 | bubbely | tias ? |
| 21:10.09 | jhutchins | bubbely: I would do cat file > /dev... |
| 21:10.23 | bubbely | tias = try it and see? |
| 21:10.23 | jhutchins | bubbely: Try It And See. |
| 21:10.26 | bubbely | =) |
| 21:10.46 | psychoticwarrior | want to make the system go crazy ' |
| 21:11.15 | psychoticwarrior | cat /dev/sda1 |
| 21:11.16 | bubbely | hey.. where can i find a source.list to install cinnamon dekstop environment in full |
| 21:11.44 | greycat | bubbely: on which release of Debian? |
| 21:11.49 | bubbely | jessie |
| 21:11.53 | greycat | !jessie sources.list |
| 21:11.53 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 21:12.02 | bubbely | k |
| 21:12.02 | missmbob | i thought he was installing stretch? |
| 21:12.07 | jhutchins | Seems like we used to play with cat /boot/vmlinuz > /dev/dsp or something like that. |
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| 21:12.16 | bubbely | hold on - i installed what u sent and its called debian 9 i think |
| 21:12.32 | missmbob | you dont need to touch sources.list. default will have it |
| 21:12.38 | bubbely | doesn't |
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| 21:12.58 | missmbob | what are you typing? |
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| 21:13.12 | bubbely | apt-get install cinnamon-desktop-environment cinnamon-l10n |
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| 21:13.45 | missmbob | you didnt set up a mirror when the installer asked you to? |
| 21:13.52 | bubbely | there was no internet connection |
| 21:13.56 | greycat | He probably had no network during the install. |
| 21:13.59 | jhutchins | tasksel cinnamon-desktop |
| 21:14.22 | greycat | Stupid Debian installer doesn't put the lines in sources.list unless there's a network. Not even commented out. I proposed doing that in a debian-user thread not long ago. |
| 21:14.25 | missmbob | !stretch sources.list |
| 21:14.25 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 21:14.36 | missmbob | bubbely: use those for stretch then apt-get update |
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| 21:19.38 | bubbely | deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main = 404 |
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| 21:20.40 | rmotao | Wich version of Eclipse will be installed via apt-get? |
| 21:20.46 | rmotao | 3.8 or 4.6? |
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| 21:21.01 | greycat | ,v eclipse |
| 21:21.02 | judd | Package: eclipse on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.8.0~rc4-1; jessie: 3.8.1-7; sid: 3.8.1-8; stretch: 3.8.1-10; sid: 3.8.1-10 |
| 21:21.14 | missmbob | bubbely: stretch doesnt have security right now. you can remove that line. add it when it's released |
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| 21:22.03 | bubbely | http://deb.debian.org/debian strecht Release = 404 |
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| 21:22.07 | bubbely | strech* |
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| 21:23.03 | missmbob | dont type. copy/paste |
| 21:23.15 | rmotao | looks like the eclipse maintener fell sleep |
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| 22:01.27 | bubbely | so i just installed cinnamon andtrying to run cinnamon in command gives me unable to open x display |
| 22:01.30 | bubbely | does that mean i need to install xorg |
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| 22:11.22 | dTal | bubbely: you will need xorg installed to run cinnamon |
| 22:11.25 | bubbely | hm |
| 22:11.40 | bubbely | dTal: i just got cinnamon running but i login and theeres just a blank screen - normal ? |
| 22:12.48 | dTal | maybe? it's not clear what you've done, cinnamon is just a window manager |
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| 22:13.10 | bubbely | i just installed cinnamon-desktop-environment from shell |
| 22:13.17 | Verity | is there a very basic debian |
| 22:13.24 | Verity | that will let mne customize and run fast |
| 22:13.27 | Verity | but have current pakcages |
| 22:13.28 | Verity | im so sick of arch |
| 22:13.32 | Verity | I CANT TAKE IT ANYMORE |
| 22:13.34 | Verity | I could smash my pc |
| 22:13.42 | Verity | today the wifi went out during an online test |
| 22:13.44 | Verity | --- failed |
| 22:13.55 | Verity | yesteday, it took 11 hours to configure 3 programs I require |
| 22:14.00 | dTal | bubbely: how did you launch it? |
| 22:14.01 | mtn | Verity: different distros won't make a difference in how the wifi works |
| 22:14.06 | bubbely | a restart |
| 22:14.06 | jhutchins | Verity: Debian packages are not the latest versions, they are thoroughly tested and patched, but the version numbers are going to be a year or two old. |
| 22:14.09 | missmbob | Verity: by design debian uses older programs. not new |
| 22:14.12 | Verity | well thats simply not true mtn |
| 22:14.17 | Verity | I never had problems with wifi on opensuse |
| 22:14.20 | Verity | "it just woked" |
| 22:14.23 | Verity | out of the box, always |
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| 22:14.24 | mtn | Verity: well, yes, it is. linux is linux |
| 22:14.27 | Verity | thats what I'm looking for |
| 22:14.29 | Verity | no |
| 22:14.32 | Verity | linux is the kernel |
| 22:14.34 | Verity | the distro is the resat |
| 22:14.46 | Verity | and thoughtful distros dont leave you with broken wifi or to congigure it yourself |
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| 22:14.49 | Verity | I'm looking for PLUG AND PLAY |
| 22:14.53 | jhutchins | The wifi stuff is all kernel.org |
| 22:14.58 | Verity | I have work to do USING the pc, not ON the pc |
| 22:15.06 | Verity | so debian isnt what I want |
| 22:15.11 | Verity | its opensuse or ubuntu |
| 22:15.17 | Verity | basically im looking for |
| 22:15.22 | Verity | the linux for people who dont lioke to fuck around all day |
| 22:15.22 | jhutchins | Verity: Debian is sometimes not "plug and play", but if it works in linux you can make it work on Debian. |
| 22:15.25 | Verity | and have actualk work to do |
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| 22:15.39 | Verity | arch is not that linux |
| 22:15.45 | jhutchins | Verity: Debian is excellent for that. |
| 22:15.45 | Verity | it sounds like debian might be, with some tweaking |
| 22:16.12 | Verity | and ubuntu is based on debian? |
| 22:16.17 | jhutchins | Arch is actually one of the better all-new-packages distros. It's a trade-off. |
| 22:16.30 | Verity | for some people it is, my experience has been poor with arch |
| 22:16.39 | Verity | I find it cuts into productivity immensely |
| 22:16.39 | jhutchins | Verity: Ubuntu was originally based on debian. It is very much it's own animal now. |
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| 22:17.20 | jhutchins | Verity: No, reall, of the new-package distros it's one of the best. That's the price you pay for running new stuff. |
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| 22:17.42 | jhutchins | Verity: By which I mean the other "rolling" or latest-greatest distros are worse than Arch. |
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| 22:18.03 | Verity | other than perhaps tumbleweed |
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| 22:18.10 | jhutchins | Verity: You're going to have to spend time trying out distros anyway at this point. |
| 22:18.33 | Verity | I just cant summarize it any better |
| 22:18.40 | jhutchins | Verity: I find Debian very reliable and out-of-my-way. I can just get work done instead of working on the computer. |
| 22:18.41 | Verity | I spent 4/10 hours today fixing arch |
| 22:18.45 | Verity | the rest was actual work |
| 22:18.48 | Verity | this is a typical day |
| 22:18.54 | jhutchins | Verity: If you're running a server, it's one of the top choices for stability. |
| 22:19.02 | Verity | this is for development |
| 22:19.03 | Verity | coding |
| 22:19.05 | dTal | bubbely: okay, so you're logging in graphically? |
| 22:19.11 | Verity | C++, ruby, python |
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| 22:19.26 | jhutchins | Verity: Ah, development! You need gentoo! |
| 22:19.27 | bubbely | ya |
| 22:19.27 | Verity | I think I might go debian. |
| 22:19.29 | Verity | I've always loved it |
| 22:19.33 | Verity | I run it on all my vps |
| 22:19.36 | Verity | just not as a desktop |
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| 22:20.26 | dTal | bubbely: do you have other desktop environments installed? |
| 22:20.38 | bubbely | no |
| 22:20.56 | Verity | jhutchins, I do? |
| 22:21.02 | Verity | I heard gentoo was even worse than arch |
| 22:21.10 | Verity | when it comes to efficency |
| 22:21.34 | Verity | which I get by dividing time spent on work by total time fixing pc + work time |
| 22:22.03 | Verity | so today, 36% is what arch gave me |
| 22:22.19 | Verity | I'm looking for more like 90% efficiency on my machine |
| 22:22.32 | Verity | 1 hour out of every 10 productive spent fixing broken shit |
| 22:22.54 | dTal | bubbely: when you say "blank screen", what are we talking here - mouse? background? inky blackness? blinking cursor? |
| 22:23.01 | Verity | hell, its a bad sign when windows is more stable than arch, easier to use |
| 22:23.04 | Verity | does all of the same things |
| 22:23.10 | Verity | thats when you have to ask yourself ---- why? |
| 22:23.18 | Verity | Am I running arch just to say that I do |
| 22:23.24 | Verity | not a very good reason |
| 22:23.25 | missmbob | Verity: i dont remember the last time i fixed something. but keep in mind, it's old software |
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| 22:23.30 | bubbely | dTal: bakcgruond, mouse nothing else |
| 22:23.37 | Verity | missmbob, how old and will that be a problem? |
| 22:23.44 | Verity | can I still get the latest version of ruby |
| 22:23.47 | dTal | !offtopic |
| 22:23.47 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 22:23.56 | Verity | dTal, send address |
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| 22:24.04 | missmbob | Verity: debian can be a couple years old. it's not a problem for me |
| 22:24.19 | gry | Hi Verity. You can compile your own ruby versions on Debian, but this is harder to update when a new version comes out. |
| 22:24.19 | Verity | can you get the current package? or does it not work that way |
| 22:24.24 | Verity | because things changed in ruby just yesterday |
| 22:24.34 | Verity | gry, hi. And thanks |
| 22:24.41 | Verity | shit |
| 22:24.42 | missmbob | Verity: there are a few in jessie-backports that you can get new versions of. not a lot |
| 22:24.51 | gry | Verity, if they had security features they would get cherrypicked. Just a 'new release yesterday' would not enter Debian immediately. |
| 22:25.35 | bubbely | dTal: still there ? |
| 22:25.38 | Verity | ok |
| 22:25.42 | Verity | lots to think about with debian |
| 22:25.42 | dTal | still here, just thinking |
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| 22:26.28 | dTal | do you know your login manager? probably lightdm |
| 22:27.05 | dTal | at this point I'd switch to another virtual console and try and find out what was and wasn't running, you clearly have X working |
| 22:28.20 | bubbely | ok |
| 22:28.22 | dTal | and also try and figure out what thing was supposed to launch what |
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| 22:28.35 | dTal | and from this deduce what thing is failing |
| 22:29.18 | Verity | ok |
| 22:29.20 | Verity | banned from arch |
| 22:29.25 | Verity | that rules that out |
| 22:29.28 | Verity | next is debian |
| 22:29.37 | mefistofeles | lol |
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| 22:30.34 | mefistofeles | Verity: Namarrgon was right, though |
| 22:30.35 | mefistofeles | xD |
| 22:31.06 | dTal | bubbely: don't know if you know about virtual consoles, ctl-alt-f1 through f6 should bring you back to a terminal you can use to poke around |
| 22:31.21 | bubbely | yea |
| 22:31.23 | bubbely | im in a terminal |
| 22:31.25 | bubbely | wondering what to do next lol |
| 22:31.51 | dTal | type 'ps aux'? |
| 22:31.56 | bubbely | is there another package for having a dektop? |
| 22:31.57 | bubbely | desktop* |
| 22:31.58 | Verity | mefistofeles, nah hes just a troll |
| 22:32.03 | Verity | and hes destined for the camps |
| 22:32.06 | Verity | so f that guy |
| 22:32.11 | mefistofeles | Verity: lol ok whatever |
| 22:32.11 | Verity | hillary voter |
| 22:32.16 | bubbely | dTal: now what |
| 22:32.50 | dTal | heh, make that "ps aux | less" |
| 22:33.08 | dTal | well, see if cinnamon's running |
| 22:33.11 | bubbely | hmm my wifi connection keeps dropping shell |
| 22:33.27 | bubbely | less: command not found |
| 22:34.00 | dTal | ...*surely* less is installed by default in debian. Am I out of touch? |
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| 22:34.19 | dTal | try "more" instead |
| 22:34.30 | bubbely | that worked |
| 22:34.32 | missmbob | it is. priority: standard |
| 22:35.15 | dTal | and now I'm thinking "bubbely doesn't even have 'less'. What else is super funky with that setup?" |
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| 22:35.28 | bubbely | missmbob: heres my situatoin, when i restart it loads into cinnamon with a un/pw screen. i login and tehres no desktop no menus etc... i try the command "cinnamon" from shell and it gives me the Unable to pen X display |
| 22:35.56 | dTal | the username/password screen is a display manager, not cinnamon |
| 22:35.59 | missmbob | of course it wouldnt be able to because there's already an x session running |
| 22:36.12 | dTal | bubbely: how did you obtain this copy of Debian? |
| 22:36.46 | bubbely | missmbob : oh |
| 22:36.57 | bubbely | dTal: someone here pointed it out to me,, its debian strech |
| 22:37.06 | bubbely | mssmbob: if i pressed ctrl + f3 to go to shell, how do i go back to cinnamon |
| 22:37.36 | bubbely | missmbob: is there more i need to do to get a desktop/start menu ? |
| 22:37.45 | missmbob | you can do alt+left arrow until you get back |
| 22:37.52 | Verity | does debian leave you without working network config as a sick joke also> |
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| 22:38.02 | dTal | it's usually alt-f7 |
| 22:38.08 | bubbely | k that worked |
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| 22:38.57 | bubbely | so if i install cinnamon im supposed to have a working desktop environemnt, menus and all? |
| 22:39.21 | missmbob | Verity: if it installer detects your network card you'll have the choice to have it auto configured or manual |
| 22:39.55 | Verity | http://www.moravia-microsystems.com/download/mcu8051ide/mcu8051ide/1.4.8/] |
| 22:39.57 | dTal | bubbely: if you install "cinnamon-desktop-environment", pretty sure yes |
| 22:39.59 | missmbob | bubbely: install task-cinnamon-desktop and reboot |
| 22:40.00 | Verity | there is a deb for me |
| 22:40.02 | Verity | will that work |
| 22:40.22 | missmbob | Verity: who knows. it's for ubuntu. |
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| 22:40.29 | missmbob | !tell Verity about dont break debian |
| 22:40.39 | missmbob | !tell Verity about frankendebian |
| 22:41.05 | Verity | maybe I should get ubuntu |
| 22:41.12 | Verity | isnt that the ultimate "easy to use" distro |
| 22:41.14 | Verity | that "just works" |
| 22:41.24 | missmbob | Verity: sure. go talk to them #ubuntu |
| 22:41.27 | Verity | I just didnt like the name or the telemetry |
| 22:41.32 | Verity | but I think they removed the latter |
| 22:43.05 | bubbely | strange |
| 22:43.07 | bubbely | it just loaded |
| 22:43.10 | bubbely | =) |
| 22:45.45 | jhutchins | Verity: Because ubuntu uses newer packages and does less testing, it can break more often. |
| 22:46.02 | jhutchins | Verity: I would ask your fellow developers what they use. |
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| 22:46.21 | missmbob | and seriously dont ask us for help. now that they've switched to mostly snap and whatever the hell...no one here knows what they're doing |
| 22:46.39 | jhutchins | Verity: Whatever kind of software you're working on dictates how current an environment you need. |
| 22:46.47 | fearnothing | have an odd problem with a systemd service |
| 22:47.17 | jhutchins | Verity: In the time you've been discussing this here you could have downloaded a live image, tried it, and possibly even installed it. |
| 22:47.33 | fearnothing | I've been trying to install a newer version of the binary which has gone into /usr/local/sbin (original is in /usr/sbin) |
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| 22:48.03 | fearnothing | I updated the .service file, it didn't work with the newer one, something to do with some missing libraries. Anyway, I changed the service file back to point to the old binary |
| 22:48.19 | fearnothing | but the service won't start again, it's still trying to use the path to the old one |
| 22:48.27 | fearnothing | even though I've done systemctl daemon-reload |
| 22:48.39 | fearnothing | what gives? |
| 22:49.08 | jhutchins | fearnothing: You are not using the package management system. We know that works. |
| 22:49.39 | jhutchins | fearnothing: You haven't told us anything about your system, what "binary" you're working with, where you got it. |
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| 22:50.10 | fearnothing | I'm on debian jessie, and I'm trying to run libvirt 3.1.0 built from source |
| 22:50.25 | somiaj | ,v libvirt |
| 22:50.31 | judd | No package named 'libvirt' was found in amd64. |
| 22:50.34 | fearnothing | the version that came from repositories is 1.2.9, that's the one that was working |
| 22:50.53 | somiaj | ,v libvirt-bin |
| 22:50.54 | judd | Package: libvirt-bin on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.9.12.3-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 0.9.12.3-1+deb7u2; wheezy-backports: 1.2.9-9+deb8u2~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.2.9-9+deb8u3; jessie-security: 1.2.9-9+deb8u3 |
| 22:51.16 | fearnothing | yep, 1.2.9 |
| 22:51.17 | somiaj | fearnothing: i was just checking to see if there was any backports made. |
| 22:51.24 | fearnothing | k |
| 22:51.41 | somiaj | building from source will require more work, and I was just checking to see if you could install a newer libvirt from source |
| 22:51.57 | fearnothing | yeah I looked for that before going to the effort :) |
| 22:52.09 | fearnothing | I managed to get the configure, make and make install working |
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| 22:52.27 | somiaj | hmm, yea seems they backported it to wheezy, but not stretches version to jessie. |
| 22:52.30 | fearnothing | but there's an error when trying to run it, so I decided to revert to my existing version until tomorrow |
| 22:53.02 | fearnothing | however, can't get the service to start again :( |
| 22:53.13 | fearnothing | all that I changed was the execpath |
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| 22:53.19 | somiaj | fearnothing: unsure how badly you need this newer libvirt, stretch is going to be released this summer sometime, if you can manage to wait for the release, you can use the newer libvirt on a stretch host. |
| 22:53.29 | somiaj | fearnothing: did you run a 'make install' |
| 22:53.36 | fearnothing | yes |
| 22:53.58 | missmbob | but stretch doesnt even have libvirt-bin |
| 22:54.26 | fearnothing | however I don't think the installation of the new one is the problem |
| 22:54.34 | somiaj | fearnothing: this will put stuff in your $PATH that may take presents over the stuff installed by debian (if it installed it to /usr/local) whcih could be messing with things, make sure you clean it up |
| 22:54.39 | altyr | missmbob: it was replaced by other packges by the looks of it |
| 22:54.49 | somiaj | missmbob: yae, was trying to find a libvirt package it had, unsure what changed, but libvirt is in stretch. |
| 22:54.57 | fearnothing | somiaj - ok, more detail |
| 22:55.00 | somiaj | ,v libvirt-daemon |
| 22:55.01 | judd | Package: libvirt-daemon on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 1.2.9-9+deb8u2~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.2.9-9+deb8u3; jessie-security: 1.2.9-9+deb8u3; sid: 3.0.0-4; stretch: 3.0.0-4 |
| 22:55.52 | fearnothing | doing journalctl -xn shows that the service is still trying to run from /usr/local/sbin/libvirtd, even though I've changed the service file to point at /usr/sbin/libvirtd |
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| 22:56.24 | somiaj | fearnothing: you have to reload the service file (forget the exact command) if you make changes |
| 22:56.26 | fearnothing | other than doing 'systemctl daemon-reload' what would I need to do? |
| 22:56.32 | fearnothing | done that |
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| 22:56.40 | somiaj | do you write the full path in the service file? |
| 22:56.52 | fearnothing | somiaj - yes |
| 22:57.32 | somiaj | well if it is still using /usr/local/sbin/libvirtd after you did a daemon-reload, something is not loading correctly, or refreshing. |
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| 22:57.56 | fearnothing | that's what I'm saying |
| 22:58.05 | fearnothing | what I don't know is why, or what else I can try |
| 22:58.53 | somiaj | I don't think this is an issue, but I do know sometimes shells seems to cache things and a fresh login(1) clears that up. |
| 22:58.59 | teraflops | fearnothing: idk about debian specifically but you need to systemctl start virtlogd too |
| 22:59.51 | fearnothing | no dice |
| 22:59.56 | fearnothing | will try logging out / in |
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| 23:00.43 | fearnothing | nope |
| 23:00.52 | fearnothing | I give up |
| 23:00.54 | somiaj | fearnothing: well in this case it might be the shell systemd is running that unit form. |
| 23:01.02 | fearnothing | this is a problem for someone else clearly |
| 23:01.09 | fearnothing | and another day |
| 23:01.12 | somiaj | try the random 'reboot' to see if it helps? |
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| 23:01.24 | fearnothing | srsly? |
| 23:01.26 | fearnothing | >_< |
| 23:01.30 | teraflops | the itcrowd approach :D |
| 23:01.34 | teraflops | yeah |
| 23:01.40 | somiaj | there is also a systemd channel that may help, it might point into why systemd isn't reloading the unit file correctly |
| 23:01.45 | fearnothing | ok maybe it will work, but no. |
| 23:02.21 | somiaj | fearnothing: I doubt it would do much, but if it is some issue with systemd caching info and not correctly changing, it may work (highly unlikely), but since you have tried most other things, if it doens't hurt to try.... |
| 23:02.34 | somiaj | though if it is a server that takes 30 mins to boot and all that likes, might not be worth just trying |
| 23:02.45 | teraflops | fearnothing: I'm late to the party, are you backporting libvirt to jessie? |
| 23:03.07 | abff | No he's building libvirt 3.1 from source |
| 23:03.10 | somiaj | teraflops: more compling it with ./configure, make, make install -- that failed, trying to revert back to using the jessie version. |
| 23:03.11 | teraflops | ugh |
| 23:03.12 | abff | sid is only at 3.0 |
| 23:03.31 | somiaj | and the reverting back to the jessie version is where the issue is |
| 23:03.45 | oftc_ftw | Hi all. I have a small issue setting up AWL for spamassassin on Debian with SQL. I receive errors for user_awl* settings like this: info: config: failed to parse line, skipping, in "/etc/spamassassin/local.cf": auto_whitelist_factory Mail::SpamAssassin::SQLBasedAddrList |
| 23:04.14 | oftc_ftw | The strange thing is that the other sql related config lines work and i copied these from my previous server |
| 23:04.16 | teraflops | I wish stretch add quemu version with virgl enabled |
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| 23:04.34 | teraflops | because it's great |
| 23:04.36 | somiaj | teraflops: to late for that, its frozen, but yea I was looking into that with spice gl too |
| 23:04.43 | teraflops | :( |
| 23:04.51 | oftc_ftw | I'm getting slightly paranoid because I don't see a difference in the lines and both servers run Debian 8. |
| 23:05.49 | teraflops | somiaj: stretch guest with -vga virtio -display gtk,gl=on works like a dream |
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| 23:06.46 | oftc_ftw | Any ideas what could be wrong are much appreciated. |
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| 23:07.18 | teraflops | oftc_ftw: upstream libvirtd needs virtlogd no idea if you have that service too, and there's a virtlockd socket too |
| 23:08.07 | oftc_ftw | teraflops: wrong highlight? |
| 23:08.12 | somiaj | teraflops: oh I didn't think the gl libaries for spice + gl made it into stretch, I'll have to look into it more. |
| 23:08.19 | teraflops | oftc_ftw: oh heh yeah sorry |
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| 23:08.25 | oftc_ftw | np |
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| 23:10.03 | teraflops | somiaj: as guest it works, and the guest needs at least xorg server 1.19, or 1.18 with commit "5627708 dri2: add virtio-gpu pci ids" backported |
| 23:10.03 | TheFlyingCorpse | does anyone here know why ntp for jessie is still 4.2.6 and not newer, considering all the CVE's present in it? we were alerted earlier today by our national CERT about ntp, strongly advising everyone to get to version 4.2.8p10 |
| 23:11.05 | zykotick9 | TheFlyingCorpse: i don't know any specific in _this_ case, BUT note security patches are backported to stable, so pure version #s are NOT a good indicator of security in debian. |
| 23:11.12 | teraflops | somiaj: I played a 60fps 1080p video at the stretch guest without tearing at all |
| 23:11.30 | TheFlyingCorpse | zykotick9: there ahve been a considerable amount of CVE's since last summer, when the last time 4.2.6 was patched. |
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| 23:11.43 | TheFlyingCorpse | *there has |
| 23:12.19 | TheFlyingCorpse | the package status of ntp: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/ntp |
| 23:12.43 | TheFlyingCorpse | quite vulnerable |
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| 23:14.46 | teraflops | TheFlyingCorpse: is openntp a good alternative for you? |
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| 23:14.59 | TheFlyingCorpse | I have never tested openntp |
| 23:15.07 | teraflops | saner |
| 23:15.14 | TheFlyingCorpse | ? |
| 23:15.20 | teraflops | saner and safer |
| 23:15.26 | TheFlyingCorpse | openntp is? |
| 23:15.28 | teraflops | yep |
| 23:15.37 | TheFlyingCorpse | oh |
| 23:15.57 | TheFlyingCorpse | I need to look into that then, thanks |
| 23:15.59 | TheFlyingCorpse | :) |
| 23:16.29 | Zynkx | olivetree_, [[]] mano |
| 23:17.34 | zykotick9 | is surprised by that s-t link regarding ntp and the status of stable |
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| 23:18.47 | TheFlyingCorpse | zykotick9: so was I. even SLES 11 SP4 has a newer NTP than debian 8. |
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| 23:19.11 | TheFlyingCorpse | the suse admin came quite smug over to me, as one of our two NTP servers died over the weekend, they ran sles previously. |
| 23:19.29 | TheFlyingCorpse | and then when he came back with package version, debian 8 runs older package / vulnerable. |
| 23:20.03 | jhutchins | ,v ntp |
| 23:20.04 | judd | Package: ntp on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-2+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-2+deb7u7; jessie: 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-7+deb8u2; jessie-security: 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-7+deb8u2; stretch: 1:4.2.8p10+dfsg-1; sid: 1:4.2.8p10+dfsg-1 |
| 23:20.24 | TheFlyingCorpse | last update to ntp in jessie was last summer |
| 23:20.38 | abff | Can I create personal virtual packages with apt, apt-get, or aptitude? |
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| 23:20.45 | jhutchins | Just wondering if it was backported since stretch is patched. |
| 23:20.54 | TheFlyingCorpse | I wish :) |
| 23:21.16 | TheFlyingCorpse | teraflops: OpenNTPD doesnt give millisecond accuracy according to wikipedia. |
| 23:21.29 | TheFlyingCorpse | it can wary 50-200ms from real-time |
| 23:21.36 | TheFlyingCorpse | thats a issue |
| 23:21.40 | zykotick9 | abff: if it's from source, and it's just for "personal use" you can try checkinstall, it's so easy - i could do it. |
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| 23:22.19 | teraflops | TheFlyingCorpse: that's why I asked if it was a good alternative for you |
| 23:22.27 | TheFlyingCorpse | it likely isnt :/ |
| 23:22.54 | TheFlyingCorpse | esp considering its our ntp servers that need the patch, had it been from client, sure. but across our datacenters, no. |
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| 23:23.48 | abff | zykotick9 ah okay, I was just curious, I kind of wanted to flag certain packages so I could upgrade only them more often then I do the rest of rolling. I'll just write a script to do it |
| 23:24.37 | zykotick9 | abff: oh, that's something different. I got nothing to suggest there... i just have an install script that starts from netinst and installs everything i want. |
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| 23:25.52 | abff | zykotick9 nice recipe. definitely task add project:beprepared Make a script to install all necessary packes in the case of reinstalling the system |
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| 23:50.59 | Skaag | I have a 3M Touchscreen, and when I press my finger against the screen and release, it thinks I'm still pressing |
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