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| 00:49.29 | bjonnh | I'm trying to use the netboot xen images in qemu |
| 00:49.50 | bjonnh | (because I want to write my own preseed, and play with it) |
| 00:50.13 | bjonnh | What is the parameter on the kernel command line to tell the installer to not go in graphic mode? |
| 00:50.35 | bjonnh | I could edit the iso |
| 00:50.45 | bjonnh | but I was looking if I could boot the kernel and initrd directly |
| 00:54.09 | Toba | i had a bad time with that bjonnh |
| 00:54.21 | Toba | i am using virt-install in the gui like some kind of plebian now |
| 00:54.23 | Toba | and it's... working |
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| 00:57.06 | bjonnh | you here⦠|
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| 00:59.06 | Toba | hello. |
| 00:59.21 | Toba | came in for qemu help |
| 00:59.22 | Toba | 2 days ago |
| 00:59.25 | bjonnh | hah |
| 00:59.33 | Toba | small world |
| 00:59.36 | bjonnh | indeed |
| 00:59.45 | bjonnh | tell me we aren't in the same building |
| 01:00.04 | Toba | well I'm not sure why you have this much stuff in your garage, but I'm taking this bike |
| 01:00.11 | hanasaki | there is a debian box with several nics and also virtual nics - each on their own subnet. how can I ensure that someone on one subnet can only get to certain others IF they have the correct user ID? how can dhcp udp packets be setup so on dhcp server on one nic/subnet can serve all the subnets? |
| 01:00.48 | bjonnh | Toba: managed to boot it in graphic |
| 01:00.52 | bjonnh | Toba: still not what I want though |
| 01:00.57 | bjonnh | Toba: added vga=788 |
| 01:01.22 | bjonnh | now it is asking for the preseed file, so I think I'm on the good way |
| 01:01.43 | Toba | I dunno. |
| 01:02.00 | bjonnh | I'm tempted to make it run with the speech synthesis in the shop |
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| 01:03.53 | bjonnh | hanasaki: sounds like a lot of different problems |
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| 01:04.23 | hanasaki | bjonnh: yes. however interrelated for a single solution. |
| 01:06.07 | bjonnh | Toba: which images did you use? |
| 01:06.24 | Toba | I downloaded the normal cd1 iso from the debian mirror and checked the sha256sum |
| 01:06.37 | Toba | i wanted minimal, which led me to try netboot at first months ago |
| 01:06.47 | Toba | but virt-install really did not want to deal with the debian netboot iso |
| 01:06.57 | bjonnh | I think I got it working |
| 01:07.03 | Toba | this time around I am just doing it with virt-manager instead |
| 01:07.09 | bjonnh | http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/debian-installer/amd64/ |
| 01:07.11 | Toba | what did you use to kick the install anyway |
| 01:07.18 | Toba | i could not bring myself to use that |
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| 01:07.20 | Toba | its plain http |
| 01:07.33 | bjonnh | qemu-system-x86_64 -kernel vmlinuz -initrd initrd.gz -m 1024 -append "root=/dev/ram vga=788 auto=true priority=critical --" -hda stupiddisk.img |
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| 01:07.59 | Toba | hmm |
| 01:08.01 | bjonnh | the vmlinuz is coming from xen, but I guess the image would work anyway |
| 01:08.04 | Toba | 194F is a good temp for a cpu right |
| 01:08.09 | bjonnh | yes |
| 01:08.16 | bjonnh | time to grab some eggs |
| 01:08.29 | Toba | I'm not ready to install python yet |
| 01:08.45 | VladolfPutler | heil everybody, how can I change the brightness of my display? I'm using XFCE on a Lenovo Yoga, I thought I could use the special Lenovo keys in the past, but I'm not sure, I can't use them now that's for sure |
| 01:08.48 | bjonnh | what was your problem exactly? |
| 01:08.51 | bjonnh | the installer is starting |
| 01:08.54 | bjonnh | Toba: ^ |
| 01:08.55 | Toba | man i don't remembre |
| 01:08.57 | Toba | it was months ago |
| 01:09.23 | Toba | someone on here told me to try non netboot, and another friend told me to just use virt-manager |
| 01:09.27 | Toba | and by listening, i have achieved wonders |
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| 01:09.59 | bjonnh | neat |
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| 01:10.09 | bjonnh | well anyway if you ever need, I got it to work in pure qemu |
| 01:10.16 | pantato | someone halp me :( http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=132317&p=640121 |
| 01:10.17 | bjonnh | look ma' no screen |
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| 01:10.50 | Toba | vga=788 sure is the magic there |
| 01:10.52 | Toba | noted |
| 01:10.59 | Toba | i dont want to play with any linaro overlays |
| 01:11.08 | bjonnh | well and using the initrd from the netboot |
| 01:11.17 | bjonnh | « If you have control over the DHCP server on your network, this method allows fully automated installations; as demonstrated and documented at Hands-off. |
| 01:11.20 | bjonnh | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:11.34 | bjonnh | Toba: ^ that's neat, I'll be able to put that on our DHCP |
| 01:11.53 | bjonnh | so people will not understand why it fails when they will try preseed 5 years from now |
| 01:12.14 | VladolfPutler | ok guys, I'll just use xbacklight |
| 01:12.22 | Toba | that sounds like it might work, VladolfPutler |
| 01:13.48 | bjonnh | I wonder how I'm going to get them to presetup ssh and zeroconf though |
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| 01:19.57 | bjonnh | wow I forgot to enable kvm |
| 01:20.01 | bjonnh | that's way faster :p |
| 01:20.14 | bjonnh | yeah it works beautifuly Toba |
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| 01:25.04 | pylegomer | quaigon is gone. get ur light saber obiwan and cut that crooked nigger sob in half and let his pieces fall down the drain |
| 01:25.32 | bjonnh | pylegomer: ? |
| 01:25.48 | pylegomer | make sure they never forget star wars |
| 01:26.11 | pylegomer | or el toro usmc |
| 01:26.36 | bazhang | !ops | pylegomer trolling |
| 01:26.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: bazhang complains about: | pylegomer trolling |
| 01:26.49 | bjonnh | bazhang: thanks |
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| 02:39.14 | laughingtiger | hello every guru pls help me, lspci can't see i3 380m built-in intel gpu, as well as the other commands, only see the amd card, is it possible the cpu gpu is broken? or how can this be possible? |
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| 02:42.32 | pylepfc4evr | let those f?#*!ing ni66er trash know that killing a white quaigon will not be tolerated. let their nigger pieces fall down the drain |
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| 02:44.12 | pylepfc4evr | luke told his daughter "if i wanted a nigger in the family i would have married one |
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| 02:49.37 | Beggar | lscpu returns anything usefull? |
| 02:49.37 | Beggar | laughingtiger ^ |
| 02:50.55 | dvs | gone |
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| 02:51.48 | Beggar | yea... |
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| 03:00.58 | jeddi | probably set in BIOS to ignore onboard when pci card present. |
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| 03:07.35 | bubba | howdy folks |
| 03:07.42 | bubba | were having major issues here |
| 03:07.51 | bubba | debian 8.7 |
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| 03:08.05 | bubba | in apper |
| 03:08.09 | bubba | You have failed to provide correct authentication. |
| 03:08.09 | bubba | Please check any passwords or account settings. |
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| 03:08.47 | bubba | I think weve come under attack or something? |
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| 03:10.12 | bubba | it all started when tor implant stopped updating months ago, then slowly slowly the rest of the system, cannot updated shitola |
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| 03:10.50 | bubba | cannot delete shitola |
| 03:10.55 | bubba | or uninstall |
| 03:11.50 | bubba | anybody suffering these type of issues? |
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| 03:18.30 | bubba | we cannot even "kill" any processes |
| 03:19.50 | bubba | sippose we shall archive what we can, and start over... Debian 8.7 was working almost flawlessly |
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| 03:51.23 | jmcnaught | Mr_Tea: check your sources.list https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
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| 03:59.34 | Rusty1_ | Mr_Tea: in a terminal try: apt update , as root , then try apt install |
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| 04:18.06 | icantgoforthat | https://beeg.com/tag/black-cock. look how the niggers like to kill the white men and do this to their little girls |
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| 04:18.54 | Rusty1_ | somiaj: |
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| 04:22.04 | somiaj | Rusty1_: please use !ops reason (so it hilgihts other ops as well) |
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| 04:28.22 | rootkea | Hello! This is not a Debian issue per se. But I'm using gcc 4.9.2 on Debian Jessie. I configured the source for project with `./configure --enable-fsanitize-asan --enable-fsanitize-ubsan` I can see `CFLAGS` in configure output. But it shows nothing when I say `echo $CFLAGS`. Why is that? |
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| 04:31.23 | Rusty1_ | try #gcc if nobody answers here |
| 04:31.54 | somiaj | rootkea: the script will add to it using things like CFLAGS="options $CFLAGS" I belive |
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| 04:32.56 | rootkea | somiaj: So CFLAGS isn't a variable in environment? And mya be that's why echo $CFLAGS prints nothing? |
| 04:33.05 | rootkea | *may |
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| 04:33.39 | somiaj | rootkea: it is, but it is used by the script as well |
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| 04:35.08 | somiaj | rootkea: notice how that command takes what is in the enviorment and adds info to it for the script. |
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| 04:38.35 | rootkea | somiaj: I can see `CFLAGS = ` many times in configure script and from the configure output it's clear that CFLAGS gets set as expected. My issue is why doesn't `echo $CFLAGS` print anything? I'm echoing *after* configuring |
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| 04:39.09 | somiaj | rootkea: the script doesn't export the variable to the enviroment, it only adds to it using the enviorment |
| 04:39.22 | somiaj | if you added something to CFLAGS in your enviorment (made it non empty) that would be included in the script |
| 04:39.31 | somiaj | this is so you can add additional options if needed |
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| 04:41.35 | rootkea | somiaj: Ok. How can I see what's in `CFLAGS` after configure? I tried export CFLAGS and then echo $CFLAGS. But it didn't work. Guess I'm missing something. |
| 04:42.17 | somiaj | you would have to add an echo $CFLAGS at the end of the script |
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| 04:42.32 | somiaj | though I think the configure.log should tell you what it used |
| 04:42.37 | somiaj | did you check the log file |
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| 04:43.54 | pragomer_1 | does /etc/rc.local work in stretch? |
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| 04:45.09 | somiaj | pragomer_1: I belive so, systemctl status rc.local |
| 04:45.49 | somiaj | at least it is on my strettch sytem |
| 04:46.06 | pragomer_1 | it says that |
| 04:46.06 | pragomer_1 | https://pastebin.com/8d5Z1iHq |
| 04:46.21 | pragomer_1 | loaded.. but inactive, right? |
| 04:46.49 | pragomer_1 | because a command I put in the file does not work on start |
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| 04:57.07 | rootkea | somiaj: echoing at the end of script did print CFLAGS. But can't we export variable from script to environment so that we should be able to do `echo $VAR` on commandline? |
| 04:59.00 | somiaj | I guess you could export it, but then you would have that in your enviorment next time you ran and start adding to it. |
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| 05:00.09 | somiaj | why do you want to get the CFLAGS into your enviorment from some ./configure script, this sounds like an xy problem. |
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| 05:01.52 | rootkea | somiaj: Initialy I just wanted to see what the CFLAGs were without scrolling up for the configure output but explicitly echoing it. But now this has turned into exporting a variable from shell script to environment and accessing it's value in environment. |
| 05:04.20 | rootkea | somiaj: I did `export $CFLAGS` and it threw error. Then I did `export CFLAGS` but still echoing in environ prints nothing. I exported at the end of script |
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| 05:06.05 | somiaj | you should just check the configure.log file |
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| 05:08.40 | rootkea | somiaj: I see `CFLAGS=' -I/usr/include/p11-kit-1 -DNDEBUG '` in config.log and indeed that's what got printed when I did `echo $CFLAGS` at the *end* of configure script. Why can't I `export` it to environment? |
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| 05:10.12 | somiaj | rootkea: you can, there is just no real point to. |
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| 05:11.42 | rootkea | somiaj: Ok. Think of `configure` as a user created shells script foo.sh which happens to have a vraible CFLAGS. Now how do I export that varible to environment? I tried export CFLAGS but it didn't work |
| 05:11.59 | rootkea | *shell *variable |
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| 05:13.44 | somiaj | rootkea: ask #bash |
| 05:14.19 | rootkea | somiaj: Ok. Thanks! |
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| 05:15.57 | bodom | Hi there! Does anybody know what's the name of the apt metapackage for the "base" system? |
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| 05:20.52 | zykotick9 | !standard |
| 05:20.52 | dpkg | methinks standard task is a "task" that should be installed on all machines during the installer stage. It installs packages that are important, required and standard (i.e. "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant"). Packages in the <essential> set are always installed. Also ask me about <tasksel>. |
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| 05:21.01 | zykotick9 | bodom: ^ |
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| 05:22.10 | bodom | zykotick9: thanks! |
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| 06:36.07 | Flynnn | Okay. I've got a system gone rogue here. |
| 06:36.20 | Flynnn | By some sketchy means I set up a script to run on system boot via tmux |
| 06:36.34 | Flynnn | Trouble is, the program has, suddenly, started running without showing up on either tmux ls or sudo tmux ls |
| 06:37.05 | Flynnn | Basically, my theory is that there is some mystical third user that its running under |
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| 06:37.44 | Flynnn | My problem is that I cannot figure out how to prevent this mysterious source from running the program. I would like to be able to monitor the program via tmux at will |
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| 06:39.13 | Flynnn | Never mind I am a fucking idiot. I removed the call to tmux and started calling the code directly. Omfg... |
| 06:39.54 | Flynnn | hahaha easy fix at least |
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| 07:13.46 | Woniken | ,v conky |
| 07:13.47 | judd | Package: conky on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.9.0-2+deb7u1; jessie: 1.9.0-6; jessie-backports: 1.10.6-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.10.6-1; sid: 1.10.6-1 |
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| 07:23.17 | thms | Hi .Why are debian changelog ALWAYS 404: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/eject click on changelog and yay, 404. ? |
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| 07:36.55 | darxmurf | hmmm is there a way in one line in bash to match all the email addresses except ".+@thismail.com" ? |
| 07:38.00 | angor | grep -v ? |
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| 07:38.45 | darxmurf | well, this works |
| 07:38.51 | darxmurf | if echo "pifpaf@thismail.com" | grep -qiE ".+@[a-z0-9_\.-]+\.[a-z]+" && ! echo "pifpaf@thismail.com" | grep -qiE ".+@thismail.com"; then |
| 07:39.02 | darxmurf | but I was wondering if something shorter was possible |
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| 07:40.46 | darxmurf | and yep I can replace ! by grep -v |
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| 07:42.53 | angor | if [[ $something =~ .+@[a-z0-9_\.-]+\.[a-z]+ ]] && [[ "$something" != "your@mail" ]]; then |
| 07:43.19 | darxmurf | ah yep, directly using the regex |
| 07:43.23 | darxmurf | I'll try that :-) |
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| 07:47.01 | darxmurf | except for the 2nd test: && [[ ! "$something" =~ .+@notthismail.com ]] |
| 07:47.02 | darxmurf | thanks :-) |
| 07:47.13 | angor | yw :) |
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| 07:52.04 | streuner | hi |
| 07:52.52 | darxmurf | angor: by the way, I have to set the case options first :-) |
| 07:52.55 | darxmurf | shopt -s nocasematch |
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| 07:54.10 | streuner | tails-installer is buggy, how to install tails on an usb-stick? |
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| 07:55.25 | streuner | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=814190 |
| 07:55.26 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/814190 in tails-installer (open, moreinfo): «tails-installer: tails installer fails to authentication»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-02-08; last modified: 2016-07-30. |
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| 07:59.54 | altyr | thms: that package is in debian security, so the changelog isn't in the main repository. you'll find if you switch to stretch and search for the version number. |
| 08:00.06 | altyr | as stretch has it in the main repo |
| 08:00.26 | thms | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:00.34 | thms | Alright. |
| 08:00.47 | altyr | yeah, i'm not sure why it doesn't work directly |
| 08:00.55 | altyr | http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/e/eject/eject_2.1.5+deb1+cvs20081104-13.1_changelog is what you're looking for i think |
| 08:01.11 | thms | yup thanks. It's been likez that for month |
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| 08:05.35 | tnorth | Hi there |
| 08:06.32 | tnorth | With debian stretch, is it recommanded to configures interfaces in the good old way by editing /etc/network/interfaces, or rather using systemd-networkd ? (wired connection) |
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| 08:08.26 | rozie | tnorth: not sure what is recommended, but use whatever you like |
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| 09:09.10 | tnorth | rozie: ok, thanks, going for systemd-networkd then... |
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| 09:18.25 | doublehp | I would like to update ffmpeg without installing it; apt-get can do it, but I 'd prefer using aptitude; when I ask aptitude to install zoneminder (which depends on ffmpeg) it does not offer to update ffmpeg. Is there an alternative ? ask aptitude to update ffmpeg without installing ? |
| 09:19.11 | bazhang | what version did you need, what do you have now |
| 09:19.27 | jelly | !bat |
| 09:19.27 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 09:19.31 | jelly | doublehp: ^^ |
| 09:19.32 | bazhang | ,v ffmpeg |
| 09:19.33 | judd | Package: ffmpeg on amd64 -- wheezy: 6:0.8.17-2; wheezy-security: 6:0.8.20-0+deb7u1; jessie-backports: 7:3.2.4-1~bpo8+1; sid: 7:3.2.4-1; stretch: 7:3.2.4-1; wheezy-multimedia: 8:1.0.10-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 10:2.6.9-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 10:3.2.4-dmo3 |
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| 09:19.48 | doublehp | bazhang: ffmpeg [7:3.2.2-1 -> 7:3.2.4-1] but, upgrading ffmpeg implies updating many deps as well ... |
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| 09:20.04 | doublehp | bazhang: and aptitude handles the dep tree better than apt-get |
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| 09:20.52 | jelly | show all the info dpkg asked for. That will show which debian release (repos) you have set up and any extras, and available package versions |
| 09:21.57 | doublehp | bazhang: jelly https://paste.debian.net/925077/ |
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| 09:25.19 | doublehp | in gentoo , it's easy to install a package, and manually remove it from the world file (when we forgt using -1) |
| 09:25.36 | jelly | doublehp: that all seems fine, let upgrade install all the new deps. |
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| 09:26.13 | doublehp | jelly: i agree that for this time, apt-get does almost the same as aptitude, but, isn't there an aptitude solution for this ? |
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| 09:26.57 | jelly | doublehp: realize you're on testing and ABIs are still in flux, deps can and wil change a bit, before the release |
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| 09:27.51 | jelly | doublehp: lines 10-27 show a solution. You just have to accept it. |
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| 09:28.30 | doublehp | jelly: yes, but according to forums, this will make ffmpeg as installed, and not keep it as dep |
| 09:28.53 | jelly | I don't understand what that means. |
| 09:29.12 | doublehp | jelly: this will make a difference if I remove zoneminder: if ffmpeg is installed, it will be kept; while if ffmpeg is a dep, it will be removed when i remove ZM |
| 09:30.03 | jelly | doublehp: you can do an "aptitude full-upgrade" and patch up your whole system. Or you can mark ffmpeg as automatically installed after upgrading it. |
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| 09:30.35 | jelly | doublehp: use "aptitude markauto ..." or "apt-mark auto ..." |
| 09:31.02 | doublehp | ah yes , that's it, thanks |
| 09:31.37 | doublehp | why isn't that mentionned in policy ? where do I check the markauto state ? |
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| 09:49.39 | doublehp | jelly: aptitude search ... seems to indicate a A for auto-inserted deps |
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| 10:00.38 | n4dir | in general i am wondering why you don't upgrade the packages which can be upgraded. |
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| 10:05.33 | hiya | Should a laptop with Intel® Core⢠i5-4210U CPU @ 1.70GHz à 4 | Intel 4400 HD graphics | 4GB RAM be OK for running Debian 8 Gnome? |
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| 10:07.30 | doublehp | n4dir: because aptitude upgrade often breaks things; so, when I don't have a full week in front of me, I don't run updates; cause each update usually keeps me buzy for several days fixing new mess. |
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| 10:09.24 | n4dir | That is odd. I never had such problems. |
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| 10:10.54 | n4dir | the longer you wait, the more messy it might get. I think and btw. |
| 10:11.09 | n4dir | when running sid or testing i usually upgraded daily. |
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| 10:12.27 | doublehp | n4dir: when I am busy, I may not have time to even touch the power-on button of my computer for 1 or 2 weeks; and when I do after this, I usually do it only to let the system do auto-backups and synchronise my phone, and power-it down after 20mn, without even touching the keyboard or the mouse. |
| 10:13.05 | n4dir | yeah, sure. The reasoning makes sense. I only gave some (more or less pointless) feedback. |
| 10:13.27 | n4dir | In such a case i would run stable though. But hey: your choice |
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| 10:14.22 | planetmaker | hiya, sure |
| 10:14.23 | itsiam | but stable need upgrading too. not so often, but |
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| 10:14.37 | n4dir | and it doesn't break anything, itsiam |
| 10:14.52 | planetmaker | I've a similarily-equipped not-so-new desktop which it runs on fine |
| 10:15.16 | doublehp | n4dir: I don't run testing; I run stretch, to gaina few months ahead; I always install new machines using the testing by name; I won't stick to testing; my machine will stick to stretch. This delays the time it will become obsolete by 6 or 9 months |
| 10:15.35 | hiya | planetmaker, which DE do you use? |
| 10:15.38 | n4dir | stretch is testing. i think |
| 10:15.46 | planetmaker | hiya, gnome |
| 10:15.50 | doublehp | n4dir: now, yes; in 1y, not anymore :) |
| 10:16.13 | n4dir | doesn't help you much with not being able to fiddle with possible problems, right now |
| 10:16.46 | n4dir | as far i can tell: if you run the full upgrade right now, there won't come much more upgrades after it. |
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| 10:18.06 | n4dir | even sid gets boring during the freeze (as far upgrades are concerned) |
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| 10:18.42 | hiya | planetmaker, but you have a desktop right? |
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| 10:21.10 | planetmaker | yes, I do. Though I run a gnome desktop on a laptop, too. I forgot the CPU... but works fine |
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| 10:21.44 | n4dir | as far it's me the bigger problem is a web-browser these days, not the DE ... |
| 10:22.13 | n4dir | the specs of above sound fine to me though (not much in hardware). None of my machines got such specs |
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| 10:22.43 | planetmaker | in what respect are web browsers an issue? They simply work (and eat LOADS of ressources) |
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| 10:23.01 | n4dir | if you are low on ressources, then they are a problem. |
| 10:23.24 | n4dir | rather than the DE i use. |
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| 10:28.21 | superlinux | hello |
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| 10:29.29 | superlinux | I am getting "systemctl daemon-reload : Failed to get D-Bus connection: Unknown error -1" . what is the solution this error? |
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| 10:32.57 | blackflow | superlinux: in a container or on the host? |
| 10:33.02 | d3xter | hey guys, is there any way to find out how many seconds until the screensaver is started on lxde? |
| 10:33.17 | superlinux | blackflow, as root from ssh |
| 10:34.19 | superlinux | or even when I do su and login as root and issue systemctrl daemon reload |
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| 10:35.23 | superlinux | I just don't know why the switch to systemd.. older rc style was just fine to me and is ok. |
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| 10:37.58 | d3xter | hey guys, is there any way to find out how many seconds until the screensaver of xserver is started? |
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| 10:39.22 | aloo_shu | mint has compiz going with xfce - need help to achieve this on debian jessie. probs: decorators do not start, xfce / lightdm seem to launch their own environment in persistent way |
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| 10:41.01 | Uzzi | hi I'm tryng to remove a package, but E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)! where can I find exaustive log about? |
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| 10:43.18 | aloo_shu | <Uzzi , how/from where did you try to remove the pkg? |
| 10:43.19 | rephlexie | d3xter, try 'xset q', don't know if that is still in play though. |
| 10:43.43 | d3xter | rephlexie: thats what i looked through first, but no sign :( just if the monitor is off or on |
| 10:44.10 | Uzzi | apt-get remove xyx --purge |
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| 10:45.06 | rephlexie | d3xter, damn, haven't used lede in ages but xset was the fix for a lot of that at the time |
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| 10:46.14 | aloo_shu | Uzzi, and if you try dpkg -P xyz instead ? readup man dpkg in case I'm wrong on something, dpkg is rather verbos, and has a dry run option, too |
| 10:47.03 | aloo_shu | any debian xfce forum? |
| 10:47.09 | aloo_shu | mint has compiz going with xfce - need help to achieve this on debian jessie. probs: decorators do not start, xfce / lightdm seem to launch their own environment in persistent way |
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| 10:48.01 | superlinux | blackflow kindly asking, got a solution to my problem? |
| 10:48.18 | superlinux | it's OK if you don't |
| 10:48.19 | blackflow | superlinux: well, systemd and dbus are very close pals, and dbus is so critical you can't restart the service, has to be rebooted. |
| 10:48.31 | blackflow | superlinux: so the question is, is this just this one time thing, or it happens repeatedly? |
| 10:48.52 | superlinux | not sure.. |
| 10:49.03 | superlinux | and it's on our production server |
| 10:49.35 | superlinux | but it happens every time i run `systemctrl daemon-reload` |
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| 10:50.54 | superlinux | blackflow, so do you consider it as a repeat? |
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| 10:53.11 | blackflow | superlinux: yeah, but I wouldn't know what the cause could be. dbus runnign fine? anything in the logs? |
| 10:53.45 | superlinux | blackflow, thereis a pidof for dbus |
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| 10:56.20 | superlinux | blackflow, this is the log error when running the reload : GLib-CRITICAL: Source ID 28 was not found when attempting to remove it |
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| 10:57.46 | blackflow | superlinux: not sure what could be the problem. maybe you could ask in #systemd |
| 10:58.23 | superlinux | blackflow, console-kit-daemon[20150]: GLib-CRITICAL: Source ID 28 was not found when attempting to remove it ... I found google results |
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| 10:59.32 | blackflow | console kit? I thought that's not used anymore on systemd systems |
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| 11:01.35 | superlinux | I don't know.. it seems that microsofts MSSQL server f'd things up |
| 11:01.37 | aloo_shu | mint has compiz going with xfce - need help to achieve this on debian jessie. probs: decorators do not start, xfce / lightdm seem to launch their own environment in persistent way |
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| 11:13.17 | arturo | is it possible to offer IPv6 autonconfiguration from a box different than the subnet router? Kind of what happens with the dhcpv4 |
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| 11:16.04 | doublehp | arturo: #ipv6 ... but, not on this network, let me check |
| 11:16.36 | doublehp | arturo: but, yes you can add a router with it's own advertising. |
| 11:18.00 | arturo | doublehp: I mean, I want to offer IPv6 config from a box A (which is also DHCPv4) but router in the subnet is box B (for both IPv4/IPv6). I don't want to run radvd on box B (the router) |
| 11:18.07 | doublehp | arturo: there is #ipv6 on this network, but, ask them where is the other #ipv6 ... there is a better one |
| 11:18.23 | arturo | xd |
| 11:18.29 | laughingtiger | turned out the radeon driver is good enough for nearly everything, don't need no ati proprietary driver at all, now all problems solved, like I said earlier thank you for all the help, which was all kept being quiet or I won't feel the joy of figure this out by myself. |
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| 11:29.38 | laughingtiger | sorry, what I really wanted to say was thank you those open source programmers, the world is a far better place because of you |
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| 12:36.53 | Guest50683 | Hello all, i am looking for a way to change the path log with systemd.. actually with my new systemd script the log have been written in /var/log/daemon. How to change that please ? |
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| 12:49.27 | Guest50683 | is there anybody have an idea ? |
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| 12:50.55 | pragomer_1 | tyring to get editor NANO in blue/white. but setting this in .nanorc dont helP |
| 12:51.01 | pragomer_1 | color blue,white |
| 12:51.10 | pragomer_1 | dont know how to understand nanos manpage |
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| 12:54.01 | plasmoduck | how can I password protect a folder in mate? |
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| 12:54.15 | plasmoduck | so if I double click it prompts for a password? |
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| 12:56.31 | blackflow | plasmoduck: maybe with something like eCryptFS |
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| 13:03.26 | bloggle | Hi guys. Question about playing video games on debian. Blizzard has just released starcraft brood war as free to download. Does anyone have experience with playing BLizzard games on Debian? |
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| 13:05.47 | plasmoduck | also |
| 13:05.57 | plasmoduck | I need to format a drive and make it read/write user |
| 13:06.02 | plasmoduck | how? |
| 13:06.33 | mefistofeles | what format/filesystem? |
| 13:06.39 | plasmoduck | ext4 |
| 13:06.46 | mtn | plasmoduck: read/write is handled by how it is mounted, and the file system |
| 13:06.52 | plasmoduck | it's a 2tb drive just to use a backup |
| 13:07.06 | mefistofeles | well, you format and change owner, as usual |
| 13:07.20 | plasmoduck | in mate desktop, when I click on it, it asks me for the root password to mount it. I don't want that. I want it to auto mount as user |
| 13:07.27 | plasmoduck | with read/write access |
| 13:07.42 | plasmoduck | So I've formated it with gparted |
| 13:07.48 | plasmoduck | but it's owned as root |
| 13:07.52 | plasmoduck | how do I change it to user |
| 13:08.57 | mefistofeles | I don't know how to change that in Mate, but you may want to take a look to udisks |
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| 13:10.26 | jelly | plasmoduck: mount it, then chown the mountpoint |
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| 13:10.59 | jelly | if you want it to be mounted at boot time, add it to /etc/fstab |
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| 13:11.54 | gebjgd | bloggle, just wine it |
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| 13:12.19 | plasmoduck | jelly: whats the command please? |
| 13:12.27 | mefistofeles | xD |
| 13:12.33 | mefistofeles | plasmoduck: man mount |
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| 13:12.38 | bloggle | gebjgd: I havent got wine yet, do you use wine? Do you find it works easily and stuff? Im a bit scared of it |
| 13:12.45 | plasmoduck | mefistofeles: I know how to mount. |
| 13:13.28 | bloggle | gebjgd: actually scratch that, I dont want to use a modern windows OS |
| 13:13.30 | mefistofeles | plasmoduck: change the owner of the mount point and try mounting it as user, not sure if that's going to work but no harm trying |
| 13:13.36 | gebjgd | bloggle, then just install windows |
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| 13:14.00 | plasmoduck | nevermind I done it |
| 13:14.04 | mefistofeles | ok |
| 13:14.08 | mefistofeles | plasmoduck: mind sharing how? |
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| 13:14.24 | plasmoduck | all you had to say was udo chown cjg /media/cjg/Backup |
| 13:14.45 | mefistofeles | exactly, that's what we told you |
| 13:14.45 | mefistofeles | xD |
| 13:14.48 | plasmoduck | instead of being all crypto |
| 13:15.13 | mefistofeles | plasmoduck: I can tell you how to hunt but I won't spoon-feed you |
| 13:15.21 | mefistofeles | anyways, good |
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| 13:17.27 | bloggle | Oh wait, wine is not emulator, ok I will look into it more. |
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| 13:20.19 | bloggle | Do people here who use Wine find it easy to use? I am a bit worried about if it introduces massive security holes or bugs and stuff. |
| 13:21.07 | mefistofeles | bloggle: I wouldn't use it for anything in production services or anything like that |
| 13:21.18 | mefistofeles | bloggle: I just use it for specific stuff and/or games back in the gaming days |
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| 13:21.41 | bloggle | mefistofeles: yeah this is just for personal computer to play games |
| 13:22.45 | mefistofeles | bloggle: ok, then it should work "fine" |
| 13:22.55 | bloggle | thanks |
| 13:22.58 | mefistofeles | bloggle: read the documentation in the wineha database |
| 13:23.03 | mefistofeles | *winehq |
| 13:24.13 | bloggle | Can Wine be installed with apt-get and updated through that? |
| 13:24.27 | mefistofeles | bloggle: debian commonly has old versions of packages |
| 13:24.37 | bloggle | mefistofeles: I will do so, thanks |
| 13:24.39 | mefistofeles | specially if you are using debian stable |
| 13:24.58 | bloggle | mefistofeles: Im using Debian backports |
| 13:25.10 | mefistofeles | bloggle: I don't think wine is in the backports |
| 13:25.13 | mefistofeles | but not sure |
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| 13:28.19 | jelly | ,v wine |
| 13:28.20 | judd | Package: wine on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.4.1-4; jessie: 1.6.2-20; jessie-backports: 1.8.6-5~bpo8+1; sid: 1.8.6-5; stretch: 1.8.6-5; experimental: 1.8.7-1 |
| 13:28.43 | bloggle | Is using Wine sort of considered dirty and cheating, and I dunno, going against the whole awesomeness of Debian though? |
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| 13:31.41 | mefistofeles | bloggle: no, it's not |
| 13:31.43 | jelly | bloggle: use the tools appropriate for your goal |
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| 13:32.59 | tymczenko | hi all! is there some way to configure the volume of alert sound in gnome? it always resets to maximum on reboot and it's annoying |
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| 13:33.54 | Toba | speaking of sound and debian... |
| 13:34.05 | Toba | in KDE, I frequently have to set up my audio settings again |
| 13:34.16 | Toba | because even though I save the settings, they seem to just default back sometimes on reboot |
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| 13:34.43 | Toba | and there are so many software elements in play - alsa, sound driver, pulseaudio, whatever the gui control tools are.... |
| 13:34.49 | Toba | it's really hard to guess which one is the problem |
| 13:34.58 | Toba | for someone who doesn't know the internals that well such as me |
| 13:35.16 | Toba | I kind of thing tymczenko has the same problem as me |
| 13:35.30 | Toba | but that assumes a lot |
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| 13:46.47 | bloggle | So Ive been reading more about Wine. So far everything I have installed on Debian has been with apt-get. And I run apt-get update and upgrade regularly. If I install Wine, it seems to be saying you do it in a different way. And then Im unsure if it will automatically update when I do apt-get update (im guessing it wont). The download page for Wine: https://www.winehq.org/download |
| 13:47.57 | JPT | Well, if you install wine through apt-get, you will get the updates through debian. However, since debian focuses on delivering more stable software, you will not get the latest version |
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| 13:48.19 | JPT | If you decide to compile wine yourself, you can upgrade it anytime you want to (by downloading and compiling again) |
| 13:48.41 | JPT | So it's a matter of preference and requirements |
| 13:49.01 | jhutchins | bloggle: The best solution is to find a way to do the tasks that you think you need wine for using native open source software. |
| 13:49.42 | bloggle | jhutchins: Its to play the Blizzard game starcraft brood war, which has just been released as a free download. |
| 13:50.26 | JPT | In that case, you probably want to download and compile yourself a more recent, stable version of wine. |
| 13:50.36 | JPT | Also, check out https://appdb.winehq.org/ for hints on your specific app/game :) |
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| 13:51.05 | jhutchins | What does it cost to maintain a Windows machine, about $600/yr in software? |
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| 13:54.13 | JPT | jhutchins: That really depends on what you want it for |
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| 13:56.49 | bloggle | JPT: jhutchins thanks |
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| 13:58.23 | jhutchins | bloggle: games have often taken advantage of "non standard" features of windows - bugs, essentially. That means that on a non-buggy emulation, they don't work. |
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| 13:58.58 | DSJVFUISDGL | hi |
| 13:59.08 | jhutchins | bloggle: They do things like access hardware or graphics drivers directly, bypassing the OS. |
| 13:59.16 | DSJVFUISDGL | now i have problem in sound in kali |
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| 13:59.39 | bloggle | jhutchins: it seems from the link JPT gave that brood war should work ok though atleast. But that is an interesting thing, I will bear it in mind. |
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| 14:02.26 | bloggle | On the Wine for Debian download page https://wiki.winehq.org/Debian It says choose 1 out of Staging or Development. Is Staging = Stable? Also, would apt-get update also update Wine if I follow this installation guide? |
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| 14:07.46 | JPT | bloggle: There's development, staging and stable. But stable is - as stated on that site - the responsibility of the distros to package |
| 14:08.02 | JPT | If you want the current stable, you need to download the source and compile it |
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| 14:09.57 | bloggle | jpt sorry. |
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| 14:13.48 | plasmoduck | how can I scan and repair a drive? Or scan and tell it not to read/write on any bad sectors? |
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| 14:14.06 | JPT | Not sure if that's something you still have to do manually |
| 14:14.21 | JPT | However, there are various flavours of fsck to check the integrity of various filesystems |
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| 14:14.38 | JPT | I expect modern harddisks to take care of remapping bad sectors themselves |
| 14:15.02 | petn-randall | plasmoduck: You can use smartctl from smartmontools to tell the drive to do a long selftest. |
| 14:15.16 | tymczenko | DSJVFUISDGL, there's Kali channel: #kali-linux |
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| 14:17.43 | bloggle | If anyone has a tip for how to install Wine Stable on Debian Jessie (backports) please let me know! Id like it to update through apt-get update if possible. |
| 14:17.54 | plasmoduck | thanks petn-randall |
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| 14:28.28 | SerajewelKS | i had a process that had flock()ed a file and i killed it because it was misbehaving. no other process is able to acquire a lock on that file now, but lsof does not show it as open. i'm a bit confused. :/ |
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| 14:31.07 | colo-work | SerajewelKS, flock()s expire once the fd to the locked file is closed. normally. you could try `flock -u /path/to/lockfile`... |
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| 14:32.38 | SerajewelKS | colo-work: yeah that's what is confusing to me, combined with the fact that lsof doesn't list the file |
| 14:32.50 | SerajewelKS | i just rm'd the file, but i'm a bit curious why that was necessary |
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| 14:49.35 | meshugga | hey, does anyone see a reason why this does not set a default gw in interfaces: http://nopaste.narf.at/show/bjSi3RtDlneCPphBSo9o/ |
| 14:49.38 | meshugga | ? |
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| 14:59.21 | SerajewelKS | meshugga: um, cobbler isn't in debian? what are you using? |
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| 15:05.24 | meshugga | SerajewelKS: there are cobbler packages for debian, you just have to want them ;) |
| 15:05.30 | meshugga | 2.6 only though |
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| 15:05.52 | meshugga | SerajewelKS: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/libertas-ict:/cobbler26 for future reference |
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| 15:08.42 | herbmillerjr | What is the actual difference between the libcurl flavors? gnutls, openssl, etc |
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| 15:10.18 | Beggar | Hi |
| 15:10.19 | meshugga | herbmillerjr: the ssl library that is being used |
| 15:10.42 | herbmillerjr | Where can I learn more about the different ssl libraries? |
| 15:10.50 | Beggar | I am trying to install Jessie on a MBR partitioned HDD but the jessie installer is detecting mi HDD as empty. |
| 15:10.50 | meshugga | if you want a comprehensive overview over the intricacies of ssl, i can recommend |
| 15:10.55 | Beggar | Any suggestion? |
| 15:11.10 | meshugga | herbmillerjr: https://bettercrypto.org/ |
| 15:11.36 | meshugga | herbmillerjr: they have accurate and accessible resources aiming at educating people about ssl and it's practical application |
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| 15:12.08 | meshugga | herbmillerjr: if you don't know what ssl (secure socket layer) is /at all/, you should have a look at wikipedia first though |
| 15:12.35 | herbmillerjr | I do. Just don't know the details of the different implementations. |
| 15:12.44 | herbmillerjr | Thank you for the info! |
| 15:13.02 | meshugga | https://bettercrypto.org/static/applied-crypto-hardening.pdf |
| 15:13.06 | meshugga | ctrl-f gnutls |
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| 15:13.14 | meshugga | should get you there |
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| 15:16.09 | Beggar | Any reasom for Jessie not having support to read mbr artition type? |
| 15:16.47 | jelly | Beggar: no reason, because jessie (and its installer image) does have that support |
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| 15:17.05 | dr_sybren | o/ |
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| 15:17.40 | Beggar | jelly then why it does not see the partitions on my HDD that was partitioned with cfdisk but it can see the other HDD that was partitioned using the debian isntaller? |
| 15:18.11 | meshugga | Beggar: maybe because your bios is mucking about? |
| 15:18.14 | dr_sybren | hey all! I have a question about imagemagick. I've installed imagemagick-6.q16-8:6.9.7.4+dfsg-2 on Debian Sarge. It shows "openexr" as delegate when I do "identify -version", but still "identify somefile.exr" tells me there is no delegate for format EXR. What am I doing wrong? |
| 15:18.44 | jelly | Beggar: dunno, can you paste some images of the situation? |
| 15:19.15 | Beggar | meshugga, there is a slackware isntalled on this HDD and it boots without problem. I tried slackware installer, Slax and BSD all of them found correctly my partition table. Debian do not. |
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| 15:20.52 | Beggar | jelly, I am jsut doing the common, usual expert install and when I reach the partitioning part of the installation it jsut show me empty hard disk. Hard to get any print from it, but if you really think it is needed I can try to take a picture. |
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| 15:22.15 | Beggar | the other HDD that is in the same machine was partitioned and Debian was installed there using the same process. The only difference was that the HDD was empty before I isntalled it there. |
| 15:22.28 | meshugga | Beggar: is the empty disk (that is not empty) the right size? |
| 15:22.32 | Beggar | This one I am trying to install right now have a Slackware isntalled on it. |
| 15:23.42 | Beggar | meshugga, what do you mean by right size? Well I am planning to isntall Debian in the same partition slackware is and leave the other partition (backup aprtition) as it is. There is around 40 GB in this partition. |
| 15:24.07 | Beggar | this I mean the one Slackare is in |
| 15:24.21 | MadHezz | do you see a partitiuon or a blank fullsize disk? :) |
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| 15:24.59 | Beggar | MadHezz, (sda) <Disk vendor + model> |
| 15:25.10 | Beggar | full size no partition table. |
| 15:25.24 | MadHezz | ok just checking |
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| 15:26.57 | meshugga | Beggar: with right size i mean the size you know it to be |
| 15:27.13 | meshugga | e.g. if it's a 6TB disk, do you see 6000GB or 6TB |
| 15:27.38 | meshugga | or do you see 2000GB or something equally discrepant |
| 15:27.39 | Beggar | It recognizes the HDD correctly id just does not see the partition table. |
| 15:27.50 | meshugga | sigh |
| 15:27.52 | meshugga | oh well. |
| 15:28.27 | meshugga | does anyone see a reason why this does not set a default gw in interfaces: http://nopaste.narf.at/show/bjSi3RtDlneCPphBSo9o/ ? |
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| 15:28.59 | Beggar | I can proceed and let Debian create the partition table, it will probably work but all my backup aprtition will be overwriteten... |
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| 15:29.49 | Chrismeister | Has anyone experience developing OpenGL with debian? |
| 15:30.04 | Chrismeister | Is this the right place to ask? |
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| 15:31.14 | SerajewelKS | meshugga: re cobbler, generally third-party packages aren't supported. if someone here knows they might answer, but my guess is that few people here even use cobbler. |
| 15:31.18 | meshugga | Chrismeister: i'd go for an opengl related channel |
| 15:31.22 | Beggar | I have tried to load the modules for ibm mbr on the load modeules aprt of the isntalltion but no sucess... |
| 15:31.30 | meshugga | SerajewelKS: it really is about the preseed file |
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| 15:33.02 | meshugga | SerajewelKS: but you just gave me an idea what i should be sure of before i debug the preseed file further :) |
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| 15:33.10 | meshugga | so thanks :) |
| 15:33.14 | frapox | hi |
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| 15:33.39 | userro | hi |
| 15:33.44 | Beggar | hi |
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| 15:34.28 | userro | im charmander |
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| 15:34.43 | abff | hi |
| 15:34.50 | frapox | if I set the font size via Gnome-tweak, KDE apps doesn't follow that setting... How to make KDE get the same fontsize as GTK apps? |
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| 15:35.01 | frapox | kde apps* |
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| 15:35.27 | abff | probably by changing the KDE equivalent setting. . . |
| 15:35.51 | frapox | abff: how can I? |
| 15:36.00 | abff | !kde |
| 15:36.01 | dpkg | KDE software is based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org/ for release news and other details. Ask me about <install kde> or <remove kde>. You can also get KDE-specific help in #debian-kde (irc.oftc.net) or in other KDE-related IRC channels: http://userbase.kde.org/IRC_Channels . Also check out http://wiki.debian.org/KDE . |
| 15:36.07 | Beggar | KDE and GNOME are diferent beasts so they use different configurations for that. I do not use KDE but I am sure it has a configuration panel with font setting. |
| 15:36.27 | abff | Start by asking in there ^ |
| 15:36.37 | frapox | mmm |
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| 15:37.07 | frapox | when I was using KDE as my DE It was possibile to set it via a panel |
| 15:37.29 | frapox | but in Gnome I don't see anything to uniform qt/gtk appearence settings |
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| 15:46.15 | slug | Hey, I've got an odd problem with mdadm. Using hdparm -Tt I am getting the same speed as a single disk on my 2disk RAID1. (Doing this on my old server shown single disk speed x2). Anyone got any ideas I've done all I can on google & the host provider is stumped to |
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| 15:49.45 | petn-randall | slug: That is ... expected behaviour? I'm rather sure you can't get 2x the sequential read speed out of RAID1. |
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| 15:50.01 | petn-randall | slug: You'd double read speed with RAID0, though. |
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| 15:52.11 | slug | on the old server it was 2s read speed |
| 15:53.04 | petn-randall | slug: RAID1? With rotating disks? |
| 15:53.13 | celyr | petn-randall, why you say that |
| 15:53.16 | slug | the old server was rotaing the new is ssd |
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| 15:53.39 | celyr | petn-randall, raid1 has more read speedup benefit than raid 0 |
| 15:53.55 | petn-randall | celyr: How so? Please explain. |
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| 15:54.23 | petn-randall | slug: You can get twice the throughput if you have *two* I/O streams, though. |
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| 15:54.38 | celyr | petn-randall, RAID1 -> you have a copy for each disk of the data, data can be read by both disks |
| 15:55.05 | celyr | petn-randall, RAID0-> you have half data on one disk and roughly the other half on the other, you have to wait for both disk to read each part |
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| 15:55.21 | celyr | petn-randall, it's the write speed that is higer for raid0. |
| 15:55.25 | petn-randall | celyr: But you're still limited by the sequential read spead of a single disk. |
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| 15:55.52 | celyr | petn-randall, why ? Every dumb driver so far reads 1 sector each, if it can |
| 15:56.26 | petn-randall | celyr: And your RAID0 claim is not true on sequential reads. The I/O stream is split up to two sequential reads, so you get roughly double the speed. |
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| 15:56.45 | petn-randall | celyr: No, there are many levels of readahead in between. |
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| 15:56.58 | celyr | petn-randall, it can do exactly the same with RAID1 |
| 15:57.46 | Beggar | All I need is to point the installer to the Swap and the ext4 partition on this HDD and start the installation... There is any way to do this without the debian isntaller? |
| 15:57.58 | petn-randall | celyr: No, every sensible RAID controller (or software RAID) will assign a sequential read to *one* disk, since skipping every 2nd stripe won't improve read speed on disks. |
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| 15:58.02 | celyr | petn-randall, but you are right that it has to seek |
| 15:58.36 | petn-randall | celyr: And RAID1 won't read *both* disks, it'll only read one. |
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| 15:59.34 | celyr | petn-randall, you are right |
| 15:59.50 | petn-randall | slug: Maybe it's limited by interface speed? What I/O are you getting from the raid1? |
| 15:59.59 | petn-randall | celyr: thanks |
| 16:00.49 | slug | well I have a 2 rotating disk raid1 and a 2 ssd raid1 even the rotating is just teh speed of 1 disk |
| 16:01.12 | slug | http://kopy.io/TMCT9 |
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| 16:03.28 | petn-randall | slug: Yes, that is how RAID1 works. Single stream I/O will only net you the speed of a single drive. |
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| 16:04.04 | slug | but on the old server I was seeing double speed from the md device |
| 16:04.31 | petn-randall | slug: Can you show me the benchmarks? I'd be very surprised. |
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| 16:04.49 | petn-randall | slug: Also 'cat /proc/mdstat' would be relevant. |
| 16:05.07 | slug | http://kopy.io/dnsvL |
| 16:05.15 | slug | I'll see if I can get on old server ... |
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| 16:08.50 | slug | hum ok , this server has been wiped & re-installed since. I am not seeing the same speed on both single & raid1 |
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| 16:08.56 | slug | not/now |
| 16:09.15 | slug | wonder if I changed something on teh old setup |
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| 16:12.32 | slug | ah I have teh old speeds in my support ticket |
| 16:12.48 | slug | http://kopy.io/sZVP3 |
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| 16:15.26 | slug | both ssd servers not rotating |
| 16:15.29 | Pr0metheus | I goto Wired Settings and see that I have two DNS entries plus my rooter. The settings though show that DNS is set to automatic and not to specific address. I go to the router page and I see that it has as setting another DNS address. Any idea where these two additional DNS addresses have been set? |
| 16:15.53 | qqz | systemctl start nfs-common: Unit nfs-common.service is masked. |
| 16:16.01 | qqz | ... and systemctl unmask does not help |
| 16:16.05 | qqz | what can I do? |
| 16:16.30 | qqz | possibly there is some invalid link for systemd |
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| 16:17.30 | slug | petn-randall: am reinstalling the old ssd server (the test i pasted before was from the old-old server) |
| 16:17.45 | Pr0metheus | sorry found it:) |
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| 16:19.48 | Pr0metheus | ah, resolv.conf is set by the network manager, my question still exists |
| 16:20.15 | qqz | http://ix.io/pqF |
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| 16:20.46 | qqz | what packages would need to reconfigured if there is something secrewed up? |
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| 16:22.56 | hexhaxtron | Hi! I'm offering SSH accounts to people and they have to pay after 30 days. What's the best and easiest way of adding a user and be remembered 30 days later? |
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| 16:24.59 | meshugga | hexhaxtron: what could possibly go wrong |
| 16:25.07 | qqz | hexhaxtron: how is your service called? |
| 16:25.13 | hexhaxtron | qqz: thunix |
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| 16:25.57 | jelly | hexhaxtron: those are two very different tasks, especially if payment is to be recurring |
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| 16:26.42 | hexhaxtron | jelly: I just need to add a user and after 30 days be rememebered to see if the user paid or not. |
| 16:26.50 | hexhaxtron | Maybe orage? |
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| 16:27.36 | qqz | hexhaxtron: can not find your service via google on the web!? |
| 16:27.50 | jelly | hexhaxtron: so add a user separately, and after eash addition use whatever calendar/tasks solution you like best to set up a reminder for yourself noting their username, setup and expration date |
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| 16:28.34 | hexhaxtron | jelly: That's the thing. Can you suggest me a calendar/task solution? |
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| 16:28.57 | jelly | hexhaxtron: dunno, do you have a smartphone? |
| 16:29.00 | hexhaxtron | Yes. |
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| 16:29.20 | jelly | hexhaxtron: so create tasks in your calendar there. |
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| 16:29.34 | hexhaxtron | Alright, thanks! |
| 16:30.40 | jelly | I mean, sure, you could use "at" to send you mails or something in 31 days, but that seems needlessly complex |
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| 16:37.05 | slug | petn-randall: scrap what I have been saying, I lost track. My problem I have is on the cheaper server hdparm sigle ssd is 400MB/s and on the super duper new server hdparm single ssd disk is 200MB/s |
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| 16:37.57 | jelly | slug: what's the connectivity for those devices? sas? sata? nvme? pcie? |
| 16:38.15 | slug | sata |
| 16:38.21 | jelly | slug: are ssd models exactly the same? |
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| 16:40.33 | slug | jelly: old server http://kopy.io/zcoxu new server:http://kopy.io/jPjYP |
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| 16:56.26 | slug | this makes 100MB/s diff according to hdparm blockdev --setra 65536 /dev/md1 |
| 16:56.32 | slug | is that wise |
| 16:56.47 | slug | (for mariadb) |
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| 17:13.09 | Orbstheorem | Hello, I'm working on some modifications to my pam session environment. Is there anyway to "source" or "load" variables defines in ~/.pam_environment in the shell without logging our / relogging ? |
| 17:13.40 | Brigo | Orbstheorem, set |
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| 17:13.54 | Brigo | set VAR="foo" |
| 17:14.04 | greycat | Brigo: that's not the right syntax for bash/ksh/zsh/sh |
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| 17:14.20 | Brigo | greycat, export then? |
| 17:14.29 | greycat | Orbstheorem: what's ~/.pam_environment and where is it documented? |
| 17:14.58 | Orbstheorem | http://linux-pam.org/Linux-PAM-html/sag-pam_env.html greycat ^^ |
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| 17:15.01 | greycat | Ah, found pam_env(8) |
| 17:15.09 | Orbstheorem | yep |
| 17:16.11 | greycat | Orbstheorem: You'd have to write a shell function to read the values from a file with that format, because it *looks* like a shell command but it's *not* a shell command. |
| 17:16.54 | greycat | If you *think* that it's safe to read it in a shell (it's not, but if you think so, if you're willing to take that risk), then you could just do set -a; source thefile; set +a |
| 17:17.08 | Orbstheorem | yeah, that's what I was reading |
| 17:17.08 | Orbstheorem | fearing** |
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| 17:17.55 | Orbstheorem | I think I'll 'translate it' first |
| 17:18.11 | greycat | A safer routine in bash would be something like: while IFS== read -r var value; do [[ $var = +([[:alnum:]_]) ]] || continue; export "$var=$value"; done < thefile |
| 17:19.20 | greycat | (That'll still fail on lines that begin with a digit, but oh well.) |
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| 17:27.40 | constantineXII | Hi. I installed linux |
| 17:27.54 | abff | great job |
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| 17:28.04 | abff | how are you enjoying the experience? |
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| 17:28.11 | constantineXII | it's great |
| 17:28.21 | abff | having any problems? |
| 17:28.32 | constantineXII | nope |
| 17:28.41 | somiaj | which distro did you install? |
| 17:28.42 | abff | excellent, welcome :) |
| 17:29.23 | abff | somiaj thanks for reminding me, call centre rules |
| 17:29.28 | constantineXII | debian stable |
| 17:29.34 | die7 | any clue when squid 3.5 will came in |
| 17:29.47 | greycat | ,v squid3 |
| 17:29.48 | judd | Package: squid3 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.1.20-2.2+deb7u4; wheezy-security: 3.1.20-2.2+deb7u7; wheezy-backports: 3.4.8-6+deb8u2~bpo70+1+b1; jessie: 3.4.8-6+deb8u4; jessie-security: 3.4.8-6+deb8u4; stretch: 3.5.23-1; sid: 3.5.23-1; sid: 3.5.23-2 |
| 17:30.01 | greycat | ,checkbackport squid3 |
| 17:30.03 | judd | Backporting package squid3 in sidâjessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libecap3-dev (>= 1.0.1-2). |
| 17:30.17 | die7 | oh, thank you , nice tipps for the next time |
| 17:30.19 | greycat | Answer: when you upgrade to stretch. |
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| 17:32.27 | die7 | greycat: take a whole day to compile it and get it running on rassberry with clamav + c-icap |
| 17:32.58 | greycat | It would be a waste of time if you're on jessie. Not backport-able. |
| 17:33.17 | greycat | If you're on Raspbian, ask #raspbian. |
| 17:33.24 | die7 | greycat: jepp still jessie |
| 17:34.04 | jelly | a naive check says only one additional recursive backport needed |
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| 17:34.32 | jelly | some libecap thing |
| 17:34.40 | greycat | ,info libecap3-dev |
| 17:34.41 | judd | No package named 'libecap3-dev' was found in jessie/amd64. |
| 17:34.52 | greycat | ,info libecap3-dev --release=stretch |
| 17:34.53 | judd | Package libecap3-dev (libdevel, extra) in stretch/amd64: eCAP development libraries. Version: 1.0.1-3.2; Size: 23.6k; Installed: 150k; Homepage: http://www.e-cap.org/Downloads |
| 17:34.53 | jelly | ,checkbackport libecap3-dev |
| 17:34.54 | judd | Backporting package libecap3-dev in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
| 17:35.14 | greycat | That ,info assumes I know what eCAP is. :-/ |
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| 17:35.34 | die7 | greycat: it is adapter for squid > c-icap |
| 17:35.43 | greycat | At least it gives a URL, so I can load that page and read. |
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| 17:43.22 | constantineXII | thanks everyone. good luck |
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| 18:00.25 | blastwave | I am seeing apt-get say to me " The repository 'http://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/debian stretch Release' does no longer have a Release file." Is this a critical error ? |
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| 18:02.29 | blastwave | I am seeing apt-get say to me " The repository 'http://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/debian stretch Release' does no longer have a Release file." Is this a critical error ? |
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| 18:03.22 | greycat | If the problem persists, perhaps try a different mirror. |
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| 18:03.40 | blastwave | greycat: any suggestions for stretch ? |
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| 18:03.58 | blastwave | greycat: is there a big main foo.debian.com/testing place ? |
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| 18:04.51 | blastwave | I will try ftp.ca.debian.org |
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| 18:06.36 | blastwave | greycat: some very icky is happening : The repository 'http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian stretch Release' does not have a Release file. |
| 18:07.04 | Papillon | down for a big hockey game? |
| 18:07.15 | blastwave | Papillon: let me check ... |
| 18:07.25 | blastwave | Papillon: nope .. the Leafs are not losing right now |
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| 18:07.48 | blastwave | Papillon: or "playing" is what the Maple Laughs call it |
| 18:07.57 | blastwave | hopes the hockey joke is obvious |
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| 18:08.05 | teraflops | blastwave: it does have one |
| 18:08.08 | greycat | Make sure your disk isn't full. |
| 18:08.17 | teraflops | blastwave: you can check it by yourself btw |
| 18:08.25 | greycat | I just did a stretch "apt update" from ftp.us.debian.org for whatever that's worth. |
| 18:08.32 | blastwave | disk full ... er .... nope |
| 18:08.44 | blastwave | greycat: one sec ... going there |
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| 18:09.42 | blastwave | well this is borked : The repository 'http://security.debian.org stretch/updates Release' does no longer have a Release file. |
| 18:09.58 | blastwave | this too : The repository 'http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stretch Release' does not have a Release file. |
| 18:10.04 | greycat | Something local to your system/network, perhaps? Broken HTTP proxy? |
| 18:10.26 | blastwave | greycat: hrmmm ... name services work fine |
| 18:10.33 | blastwave | greycat: NTP data is still coming in |
| 18:11.14 | greycat | Corrupt data on your disk under /var/lib/apt or something? Dunno, just guessing wildly now. |
| 18:11.25 | greycat | Nobody else is reporting your problem AFAIK. |
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| 18:11.35 | teraflops | blastwave: paste your sources.list |
| 18:11.40 | blastwave | greycat: me too ... wag ( wild ass guess ) says maybe there is a way to flush apt cache ? |
| 18:11.54 | greycat | that would be rm, but you'd have to know what to rm |
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| 18:12.23 | greycat | There's stuff in /var/lib/apt/lists/ but I don't know what's safe to remove. |
| 18:12.53 | blastwave | greycat: see https://paste.debian.net/plain/925172 |
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| 18:13.53 | blastwave | greycat: I could rm -rf /var/lib/apt/ but .. that would be dumb :-\ |
| 18:14.18 | greycat | I'd wait for someone who knows more about the directory structures there. |
| 18:14.26 | blastwave | greycat: I did # apt-get clean |
| 18:14.42 | greycat | that doesn't take out the lists from apt-get update |
| 18:16.11 | blastwave | desperately loos at https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=828011 |
| 18:16.12 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/828011 in apt (closed, confirmed): «apt 1.3~exp3 is broken»; severity: important; opened: 2016-06-23; last modified: 2016-08-05. |
| 18:16.15 | n4dir | not sure if that is what i searched for, but the commands which use "rm" might have helped me once https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PackageManagerTroubleshootingProcedure#Step_6_List_of_Terminal_commands_to_execute_and_send_to_Launchpad_Answers_forum |
| 18:17.27 | n4dir | blastwave , greycat ^^ |
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| 18:17.53 | blastwave | n4dir: the ubuntu forum stuff ? |
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| 18:18.05 | SerajewelKS | i'd be very hesitent to use any advice meant for ubuntu on a debian system |
| 18:18.13 | blastwave | agrees |
| 18:18.22 | n4dir | the directory structure shouldn't differ, or not much. |
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| 18:18.49 | blastwave | n4dir: usually just "enough" to make life a living hell :-) |
| 18:19.05 | n4dir | cp the whole shebang, del to yours heart content. If that goes south, cp back. Nice and easy |
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| 18:21.05 | teraflops | I only see such errors from ubuntu kali and mint people :S |
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| 18:23.30 | blastwave | well ... I am going to look closely at output from apt-key list |
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| 18:24.25 | `Kevin | blastwave: do a curl to make sure you can get the Release file (rule out proxy or other mitm etc) |
| 18:24.29 | `Kevin | curl -v http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/dists/stretch/Release -o /dev/null |
| 18:24.44 | blastwave | `Kevin: brilliant ! let me try that |
| 18:24.45 | `Kevin | if its a 200 then tcpdump and see what apt-get is requesting |
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| 18:25.01 | blastwave | argggg : curl: command not found |
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| 18:25.11 | greycat | wget should work |
| 18:25.29 | blastwave | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:25.34 | blastwave | slams face to desk |
| 18:25.38 | greycat | O_o |
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| 18:25.44 | teraflops | ` |
| 18:25.46 | teraflops | ^ |
| 18:26.10 | greycat | 14:10 greycat> Something local to your system/network, perhaps? Broken HTTP proxy? |
| 18:26.36 | blastwave | bangs head to desk ... repeats |
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| 18:28.12 | blastwave | okay .. time to edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:28.17 | blastwave | would love to kill ipv6 also |
| 18:28.50 | Dagger | ...just leave v6 alone |
| 18:28.59 | blastwave | nods |
| 18:29.17 | Dagger | if you have a problem with it, fix the problem. otherwise just leave it enabled. we are well past the point where "disable it the moment you see a colon" is acceptable |
| 18:29.18 | blastwave | usually I rage quit ipv6 from the kernel line in grub .. but for now .. ignore it |
| 18:30.21 | blastwave | right now I am looking closely at netstat -rn output |
| 18:30.38 | Dagger | what's the full output from wget? |
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| 18:31.48 | blastwave | Dagger: https://paste.debian.net/plain/925174 |
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| 18:32.48 | Dagger | so just everything broken then |
| 18:32.57 | blastwave | yeah ... more or less |
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| 18:33.11 | greycat | annnd elinks on jessie still can't open those URLs |
| 18:33.16 | greycat | works if I remove the 's' |
| 18:33.29 | blastwave | greycat: elinks is awesome ... usuallly |
| 18:33.41 | greycat | elinks on jessie is built with gnutls instead of something that works |
| 18:33.47 | Dagger | it's trying v6 first, which normally means you have v6... but if everything is borked then I'm not sure how DNS replies get ordered |
| 18:33.51 | blastwave | greycat: could be cert issues ... or somethng SSL related |
| 18:34.00 | Dagger | and in any case it's clearly not v6 specific |
| 18:34.04 | greycat | It is something SSL related. Gnutls library. |
| 18:34.11 | greycat | It doesn't work with half of the web. |
| 18:34.27 | blastwave | Dagger: yes .. I always see ipv6 first even thought there is nothing in /etc/network/interfaces related to ipv6 |
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| 18:34.55 | blastwave | Dagger: I just did a blind moronic ~# shutdown -r "now" |
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| 18:35.33 | Dagger | autoconf's a thing, and v6 *is* common in the US these days |
| 18:35.48 | blastwave | taps fingers and waits for the server to cycle |
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| 18:37.53 | blastwave | Dagger: holy hell ... reboot and it works |
| 18:38.37 | blastwave | Dagger: I nuked the gateway line on the second ethernet interface and rebooted |
| 18:38.51 | greycat | There can be only one default gateway. |
| 18:39.05 | blastwave | greycat: multiple networks here |
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| 18:39.12 | greycat | Still. Only one can be default. |
| 18:39.24 | blastwave | even for a given subnet ? |
| 18:39.31 | blastwave | well ... let me ponder that |
| 18:39.46 | greycat | If you define a static route for a specific network, that's fine. That is NOT a default gateway. |
| 18:39.46 | blastwave | more than one way to get a frame out of this puilding |
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| 18:39.56 | blastwave | greycat: cool .. yes |
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| 18:40.13 | greycat | The default is what the kernel uses when no other network (route) matches. |
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| 18:41.11 | blastwave | feels a need for coffee |
| 18:41.25 | blastwave | Dagger and greycat et al ... thank you Sirs! |
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| 18:42.00 | blastwave | regrets the days the management took the scotch away from the IT department |
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| 18:44.31 | Dagger | you can specify more than one default gateway... but whichever one of them the kernel hits first will handle every packet, and the rest of them won't ever do anything |
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| 18:44.41 | Dagger | multihoming is always harder than it should be :/ |
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| 18:45.15 | blastwave | Dagger: you can say that five times |
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| 18:46.04 | `Kevin | Dagger: why it is done with a routing protocol :) |
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| 18:54.43 | indrora | Anyone know if I can cross-arch install packages? I need to (within a chroot) install a few packages. |
| 18:55.25 | indrora | e.g. I have an ARM rootfs that I need to install a specific package (e.g. lighttpd) onto, but not in a live environment |
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| 19:02.09 | Changednick | Hello, how can I enable the support for IPv6 in nginx-light? |
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| 19:10.49 | tw | indrora: multistrap can do it without chroot, debootstrap + qemu-user-arm, or just qemu-user-arm + apt |
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| 19:12.03 | teraflops | indrora: you can, but IIRC it is qemu-arm-static what you want |
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| 19:12.47 | teraflops | err^ qemu-user-static |
| 19:12.55 | tw | https://wiki.debian.org/QemuUserEmulation |
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| 19:17.07 | legaume | info #debian |
| 19:17.25 | legaume | désolé une erreur de ma part :) |
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| 19:17.43 | teraflops | !fr |
| 19:17.43 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debianfr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debianfr. |
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| 19:18.26 | legaume | ok brian is in the kitchen ..... |
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| 19:23.56 | Enrico_Menotti | Hello, I prepared a live Debian CD and booted it (on another computer). Now I'd like to ssh from this computer (a Mac) to the other one. As far as I can understand from the error messages, publickey authentication is only enabled. Is this correct? How to enable password authentication? (I already tried to find info over the Internet - found https://wiki.debian.org/SSH#Installation_of_the_server - but I'm not able to |
| 19:23.56 | Enrico_Menotti | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:24.52 | teraflops | Enrico_Menotti: you want to continue the installation process via ssh from a remote machine? |
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| 19:25.14 | Enrico_Menotti | No, it was just to transfer files. |
| 19:25.30 | teraflops | ah, no idea them |
| 19:25.32 | teraflops | then* |
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| 19:26.05 | Enrico_Menotti | I think I have to set up the sshd_config file, but I miss the details. |
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| 19:28.45 | abff | The installation of ssh is complete on both machines? |
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| 19:33.14 | Enrico_Menotti | On the Mac, it is ok for sure - I am able to ssh to another device. |
| 19:34.41 | Enrico_Menotti | On the Debian machine, I did not do anything. It may be that I have to install a ssh server, but I get an error like "publickey", so it seems the server is indeed responding, but the only authentication method enable is by keys, not passwords. |
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| 19:34.46 | SerajewelKS | i'd just generate an ssh key on your mac (if you have not) and copy the pubkey over to the live environment |
| 19:35.13 | Enrico_Menotti | Yes, this is possible, but I'd like to understand how to enable password authentication. |
| 19:35.19 | SerajewelKS | password authentication for a live environment is a bad idea to have enabled by default since most live environments use very simple and very common passwords like "user" |
| 19:35.41 | coke | Enrico_Menotti: ssh -v will show you more of whats going on |
| 19:35.46 | Enrico_Menotti | Ok, but I'm not in a public network. |
| 19:35.47 | SerajewelKS | putting "PasswordAuthentication yes" in your sshd_config and restarting sshd would turn it on |
| 19:35.56 | Changednick | How can I load the ipv6 module on nginx/1.6.2? |
| 19:36.05 | Enrico_Menotti | Ok, I will try. |
| 19:36.07 | Enrico_Menotti | Thank you. |
| 19:36.19 | SerajewelKS | Changednick: it should be enabled by default? |
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| 19:36.56 | Changednick | SerajewelKS: It is not |
| 19:37.14 | SerajewelKS | Changednick: are you using debian? because it has been for me in every debian nginx server i've deployed. |
| 19:37.24 | Changednick | Yeah |
| 19:37.38 | SerajewelKS | Changednick: did you use a v6 address in your listen directive? |
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| 19:37.44 | SerajewelKS | listen [::]:80; for example |
| 19:37.52 | Changednick | I use the nginx-light |
| 19:38.01 | Changednick | Yeah I've that in the config |
| 19:38.18 | SerajewelKS | i'm not sure what to tell you, that's all you should need to do |
| 19:38.24 | SerajewelKS | do you get an error when restarting nginx? |
| 19:38.49 | Changednick | nginx-light has ' OPTIONAL HTTP MODULES: Auth Request, Debug, Gzip Precompression, IPv6, Real |
| 19:38.51 | Changednick | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:38.51 | SerajewelKS | if the ipv6 module wasn't in use then "listen [::]:80;" would cause an error |
| 19:38.52 | Papillon | does everything in the chain support ip6? your ISP? your router? |
| 19:38.59 | Papillon | firewall? |
| 19:39.10 | SerajewelKS | Changednick: does nginx reject a config file with "listen [::]:80;"? |
| 19:39.10 | Changednick | Yeah |
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| 19:39.16 | Changednick | No it doesn't |
| 19:39.21 | SerajewelKS | Changednick: then it's working |
| 19:39.29 | SerajewelKS | "netstat -plunt" as root and you will see it |
| 19:39.54 | SerajewelKS | you should see a tcp6 line listening on :::80 |
| 19:40.12 | Changednick | Yeah it is there |
| 19:40.16 | SerajewelKS | there you go |
| 19:40.22 | SerajewelKS | if you can't reach it, then the problem is elsewhere |
| 19:40.30 | greycat | So the problem was that there was never a problem? |
| 19:40.51 | SerajewelKS | presumably misconfigured routing/firewall, if there is a problem |
| 19:41.19 | Papillon | you could try accessing it via ipv6 from localhost for testing? |
| 19:41.28 | Papillon | if you still think it's nginxlite |
| 19:41.37 | Changednick | NO WAY |
| 19:41.43 | Changednick | IPV6 ONLY |
| 19:41.46 | SerajewelKS | Changednick: you should be able to do "curl -v 'http://[::1]'" on the server itself and get a response |
| 19:41.56 | SerajewelKS | Changednick: pardon? |
| 19:42.00 | greycat | So add an IPv4 listen too. |
| 19:42.04 | sypher | Generally, anything bound to :: also listens on v4. |
| 19:42.17 | greycat | (or if I'm ignorant and wrong, ignore me) |
| 19:42.18 | SerajewelKS | listen [::]:80 ipv6only=off; |
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| 19:42.42 | Changednick | why ipv6only=off? |
| 19:42.46 | teraflops | ^ |
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| 19:43.04 | KingsQuest | debian latest 8.71 sis pv6 off when configured and ipv4 stateful packet inspection |
| 19:43.10 | SerajewelKS | i had the same issue on my server. i forget exactly why, but the default debian config does not appear to accept incoming v4 connections using a v6 listening socket. or at least i've never been able to get it to work. |
| 19:43.19 | KingsQuest | which is not stateless and better |
| 19:43.30 | SerajewelKS | i've had to do this on both of my debian nginx servers |
| 19:43.45 | SerajewelKS | Changednick: that instructs nginx to also listen for IPv4 connections |
| 19:44.02 | Dagger | SerajewelKS: that'll be nginx doing dumb things. the default on Debian is to accept v4 connections on sockets bound to :: |
| 19:44.05 | SerajewelKS | i found it necessary on debian |
| 19:44.12 | sypher | KingsQuest: What are you talking about? |
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| 19:44.37 | SerajewelKS | Dagger: on two out of the box debian installs that has not been my experience. but there could be something else going on. |
| 19:44.48 | KingsQuest | debian 8.71 ipv6=off is that in grub2 and so is selinux=1/0 |
| 19:45.02 | Changednick | KingsQuest: you're an idiot :) |
| 19:45.14 | Dagger | SerajewelKS: you can check net.ipv6.bindv6only, it should be 0 by default |
| 19:45.15 | teraflops | Changednick: clam down⦠|
| 19:45.24 | sypher | teraflops: lobster up. |
| 19:45.27 | Dagger | SerajewelKS: programs can override the default though |
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| 19:45.41 | KingsQuest | compile your own kernel |
| 19:46.05 | SerajewelKS | Dagger: it might be an nginx oddity then |
| 19:46.27 | SerajewelKS | Dagger: all i know is that v4 connections are rejected on my boxes without it, despite bindv6only being 0 |
| 19:46.47 | KingsQuest | city of industry 2021 |
| 19:47.31 | SerajewelKS | Dagger: apparently this was changed in nginx 1.3.4 |
| 19:47.39 | SerajewelKS | "the "ipv6only" parameter is now turned on by default for listening IPv6 sockets." |
| 19:47.48 | SerajewelKS | because that makes sense in some universe i guess |
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| 19:48.05 | teraflops | anyway put 2 listen directives listen 443; and listen [::]:443; that will work. |
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| 19:48.39 | SerajewelKS | there is nothing wrong with "listen [::]:443 ipv6only=off;" though |
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| 19:49.15 | teraflops | whatever floats your goat |
| 19:49.50 | SerajewelKS | ipv6only=off apparently still only creates an ipv6 listening socket, but it permits the kernel to direct v4 connections to it |
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| 19:51.33 | Changednick | SerajewelKS: I've tried "listen [::]:80 default ipv6only=on;" and I see but couldn't open it up "tcp6 0 0 [::]:http [::]:* LISTEN " |
| 19:51.48 | SerajewelKS | Changednick: ipv6only=off |
| 19:51.54 | SerajewelKS | goof noodle |
| 19:52.09 | SerajewelKS | unless you only want to listen on ipv6 |
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| 19:52.22 | KingsQuest | its better to not define selinux if you are failsafe for 0 |
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| 19:52.54 | KingsQuest | no one wants it. you get screwed. its literally the property of America |
| 19:53.08 | KingsQuest | open source |
| 19:53.08 | Changednick | SerajewelKS: goof noodle? it doesn't work still |
| 19:53.24 | SerajewelKS | !ops KingsQuest trolling or insane |
| 19:53.24 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: serajewelks complains about: KingsQuest trolling or insane |
| 19:53.27 | KingsQuest | NATO has every selinux around the world with a toggle |
| 19:53.38 | SerajewelKS | Changednick: doesn't work how, how are you testing it? what error do you get? |
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| 19:53.52 | david-e | I'm looking for a tool (possibly already in debian) for exporting git diffs into some documents (html or maybe pdf) |
| 19:53.59 | SerajewelKS | tips hat to the ops |
| 19:54.20 | SerajewelKS | david-e: well you can wrap git diffs in <pre> for HTML ;) |
| 19:54.45 | greycat | I wonder if he wanted the colorized output to be colored in his non-text target format, or what. |
| 19:54.56 | SerajewelKS | that was going to be my next question |
| 19:55.07 | greycat | Either way, he should ask #git instead of us. |
| 19:55.41 | SerajewelKS | maybe. syntax highlighting diffs isn't necessarily git-specific, depending on whether the git commit header is present. |
| 19:55.44 | greycat | There's probably some option already to write in HTML instead of text-with-terminal-escapes. Who knows. |
| 19:55.51 | Changednick | SerajewelKS: no error |
| 19:55.57 | david-e | SerajewelKS: true, just wanted to know if anyone was aware of something already cooked. seen some projects but nothing debianized yet. thank you for the tips. cour would be extra nice |
| 19:56.42 | SerajewelKS | david-e: in theory you could do: echo "<html><body><pre><![CDATA[["; git diff whatever; echo "]]></pre></body></html>"; |
| 19:56.52 | SerajewelKS | david-e: and pray that your diffs don't contain the sequence ]]> |
| 19:57.10 | SerajewelKS | Changednick: so... it's working then? |
| 19:57.19 | Changednick | No it is not |
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| 19:58.17 | david-e | SerajewelKS: thank you! |
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| 19:58.25 | SerajewelKS | Changednick: so no error but it's not working... what does that mean? |
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| 19:58.44 | SerajewelKS | david-e: np. that's a very hackish solution, though. you can use sed to escape ]]> if you are really worried about that. |
| 19:58.47 | Changednick | I couldn't connect to it via ipv6 |
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| 19:59.56 | david-e | SerajewelKS: true. don't think that sequence can be found in our repos, but you never know |
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| 20:09.59 | abff | I use my usb to charge a device that continuously gets loged by dmesg with a device descriptor error |
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| 20:10.17 | abff | this happens every second |
| 20:10.50 | abff | because of this dmesg will only return these two lines |
| 20:10.51 | abff | [114381.376100] usb 4-1.1: new full-speed USB device number 92 using ehci-pci |
| 20:10.51 | abff | [114381.456116] usb 4-1.1: device descriptor read/64, error -32 |
| 20:11.09 | abff | Is there anyway to tell dmesg to give up logging this? |
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| 20:11.25 | SerajewelKS | abff: use a charging cable instead of a data cable? |
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| 20:11.59 | abff | I have none, and I'm not willing to buy it. I guess I could cover the pin with tape |
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| 20:12.22 | SerajewelKS | what are you trying to charge, out of curiosity? |
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| 20:12.51 | abff | kangertech kbox200 battery mod for my ecig |
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| 20:15.16 | abff | It'll be tough to neuter this cable |
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| 20:16.48 | acu | hey guys - any news and timeline for debian stretch ? |
| 20:16.56 | SerajewelKS | acu: /topic |
| 20:17.41 | mefistofeles | oh, already frozen! :o |
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| 20:20.36 | cyphix | I host several websites on a dedicated server running debian strech. I use letsencrypt for my certificates. It worked well until yesterday, when all my websites had an ssl issue. You can sse it on https://cyphix.org for example. I have no idea what changed, and I can't find the problem. Any idea what to look for? |
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| 20:21.45 | zykotick9 | regarding acu's question, i had a link that shows the number of RC bugs. searching right now the best i'm going up with is using udd.debian.org to search for stretch rc bugs anyone have a good link/resource? |
| 20:21.47 | cyphix | Letsencrypt doesn't seem to be the issue, since a self-signed certificate doesn't work either. I use nginx as a web server. It might come from there, or from openssl. I don't really know what to look for |
| 20:22.09 | missmbob | zykotick9: https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 20:22.21 | greycat | https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 20:22.22 | zykotick9 | missmbob: thanks. |
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| 20:23.53 | acu | thanks greycat mefistofeles - so it seem that 209 bugs left - ammounts for around one month at this stage - my estimation Stretch is going to be release in May 2017 |
| 20:24.08 | greycat | Optimist. |
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| 20:24.35 | Papillon | it seems like there could be more cooperation between distros |
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| 20:24.48 | acu | greycat, it is always good to be optimist - because in reality no one gets out alive from this world :) - a bit of delusion is useful :) |
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| 20:25.01 | acu | Papillon, you think ? :) LOL |
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| 20:25.12 | mefistofeles | Papillon: ubuntu/fedora are making a good effort with these universal packaging systems |
| 20:25.19 | acu | it is a bloody quicksilver spread |
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| 20:29.02 | acu | debian is not for desktop - ubuntu is - oops - ubuntu kiks something at server from single to openstack full cloud computing built on it - and look at freebsd - yes, Sony PS4 stations are built on it, so is MacOS and Nettap and your toaster and washing machine - yet there is TrueOS and FreeNAS etc - another example of thining the resources - why ? it is an iherent HUMAN bug - which will be fix only by machines :) |
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| 20:29.17 | greycat | Debian is a perfectly fine desktop. |
| 20:29.25 | missmbob | lies. debian is fine on my desktop |
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| 20:30.14 | familiargalaxy | acu: funny how you come to #debian to say against debian lol |
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| 20:30.21 | teraflops | acu: what they say, also calling MacOS freebsd is ⦠generous |
| 20:32.41 | acu | familiargalaxy, I love debian, if you love someone you need to tell them the truth - it took debian 5 years to get somehow on track - what I am trying to say - it would make a total sense to SYNCHRONISE release - lets say STRECH with a UBUNTU stable lts - why? because it would make so much more sense from kernel to every single package - but the egos are just too big |
| 20:33.32 | familiargalaxy | acu: ya I understand your point. |
| 20:33.41 | missmbob | for the most part now they use snap. not even debs. there's nothing to synchronise. |
| 20:33.54 | acu | I use mostly debian for my most desktop and servers - though I am massively shifting to freebsd (which is like debian 8 years ago LOL ) |
| 20:34.26 | familiargalaxy | what applications do you use mostly ? on desktop |
| 20:34.32 | missmbob | anyway this is totally off topic. go to #debian-offtopic if you must |
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| 20:37.25 | acu | familiargalaxy: everything -I used mostly gnome, at times kde or xfce (though I try to swith to enlightement desktop or lumina) but for applications - everything I possible need, is open source - from libreoffice, to audacity, vlc, kdeenlive, recordmydesktop, inkscape, gimp, bioinformatics applications etc - |
| 20:38.35 | familiargalaxy | acu: are you a prouser or a programmer ? |
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| 20:38.59 | missmbob | !ot |
| 20:38.59 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 20:39.39 | familiargalaxy | dpkg:okay, understand your concern good bye ! |
| 20:39.39 | dpkg | familiargalaxy: I give up, what is it? |
| 20:39.54 | acu | missmbob: how did I miss the "snap", I concentrate lately on freebsd, I even did not know that snap is the new way to install applications in linux |
| 20:40.17 | zykotick9 | s/linux/ubuntu/ |
| 20:40.21 | familiargalaxy | dpkg: sorry, I didnt get you |
| 20:40.21 | dpkg | familiargalaxy: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 20:40.31 | missmbob | familiargalaxy: it's a bot |
| 20:40.53 | familiargalaxy | oh god |
| 20:41.02 | familiargalaxy | anyws folks bye |
| 20:41.08 | familiargalaxy | enjoy debian |
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| 20:42.08 | tuxlovesyou | lels |
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| 20:44.44 | acu | !snap |
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| 20:48.49 | Enrico_Menotti | Hello, need some help. I debootstrapped the Debian system image to a folder. Now I need to put the system image on a SD card. However, when I try to copy the files I get errors about cp being unable to create symlinks. |
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| 20:50.48 | Papillon | weird |
| 20:50.57 | Papillon | other copies going fine? |
| 20:51.04 | Papillon | what file system? |
| 20:51.26 | greycat | Right, my first thought is he's trying to rsync or cp -a a unix file system to a FAT or NTFS file system. |
| 20:52.20 | Enrico_Menotti | Ah, ok, so the problem is the kind of file system. Should I first reformat the sd card to ext3? |
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| 20:55.46 | missmbob | that would work. or 4 |
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| 21:07.45 | Enrico_Menotti | Just one detail: I will use mkfs.ext3 followed by /dev/<myDevice>. Should I specify the whole device or its (only) partition? |
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| 21:08.15 | greycat | Partition. |
| 21:08.22 | Enrico_Menotti | Ok. |
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| 21:13.56 | Voldenet | I wonder why are packages managed as root and can I somehow run apt in certain /opt/{dir}? |
| 21:14.21 | Voldenet | (in cases where I'd basically like to use some repo but I don't fully trust it) |
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| 21:17.35 | blackflow | Voldenet: you could install and run untrusted applications inside a container |
| 21:17.36 | Voldenet | (or when I want to use different repo+versions, so PATH=/opt/apt-default for some users and PATH=/opt/apt-special for others) |
| 21:17.40 | `Kevin | Voldenet: you would have to download the src package and rebuild it with a prefix directory, or use a chroot environment, or use a container |
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| 21:18.38 | Voldenet | Hm, can I set up and run container as a user? |
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| 21:20.11 | blackflow | Voldenet: you can run unprivileged containers if that's what you're asking |
| 21:20.12 | Voldenet | (the way I'm doing that now is running qemu, but it obviously is very heavy way) |
| 21:20.24 | `Kevin | Voldenet: wrt docker you need access to the socket file, you could maybe chgrp that or provide user(s) access to run `sudo docker` |
| 21:20.58 | Voldenet | hm, the main challenge is to not use root in the process at all :) |
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| 21:22.10 | Voldenet | maybe except installing some lxc or something |
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| 21:25.58 | `Kevin | to blackflow's point. is the problem that a non-root user needs to be able to start a container or the container itself needs to run with less privileges (or both) |
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| 21:27.00 | Voldenet | hm, but I wouldn't expect most applications to even run a container inside a container, so it's fine |
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| 21:27.53 | Voldenet | Oh..., a regular user can't start a container? |
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| 21:29.07 | Voldenet | oh well, I'll stick to qemu then, it's fast enough |
| 21:29.50 | `Kevin | Voldenet: by default typically no |
| 21:30.23 | Voldenet | aha! So it can work without root permissions, now that shows promise :) |
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| 21:32.10 | jon_x11113 | trying to install Debian 8 w/ UEFI. The install won't detect the network card without UEFI. The debian version comes with a preseed.cfg which appears to be set to run in only non-UEFI mode. Anyone know of something I can tweak? I tried everything I can in the bios with no luck. Not sure what other options I have. Not a power user. |
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| 21:37.19 | missmbob | !firmware image |
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| 21:37.19 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
| 21:37.26 | missmbob | use that iso to install |
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| 21:46.18 | magyar | hi, what is dqcache and how do I stop it in stretch? |
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| 21:50.11 | missmbob | magyar: apt show dqcache ...and you can just remove it if you dont want it |
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| 21:55.56 | magyar | missmbob: makes sense, but with this wonderful systemctl, how can I stop the service? |
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| 21:57.06 | missmbob | sudo service foo stop |
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| 21:58.18 | magyar | missmbob: no service dqcache |
| 21:58.53 | magyar | i tried dqcache-run etc, searched all the systemctl files, but there is no dqcache to be found |
| 21:58.54 | missmbob | i dont know what it'd be called. you should be able to tab complete. dq<tab> or see it in ps aux. i dont have that program |
| 21:59.27 | magyar | missmbob: "ps aux" ? |
| 21:59.32 | Enrico_Menotti | I need some help in connecting my device to Debian. I have connected the device via USB. I can see it by lsusb. I now need to set its IP and subnet mask, I think. Did it on my Mac without too much effort (there's a simple GUI). Now how to do that on Debian via command line? |
| 21:59.44 | missmbob | magyar: that'll list everything running. ps aux |more |
| 22:00.00 | magyar | ohh, I did that, the process is dqcache |
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| 22:00.25 | missmbob | magyar: and service doesnt see it? odd. just use kill then i guess |
| 22:01.06 | missmbob | i'd apt-get remove personally :P |
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| 22:02.09 | magyar | missmbob: no service only /usr/sbin/dqcache |
| 22:02.40 | magyar | also something "supervise dqcache" |
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| 22:03.55 | magyar | systemd is a maze of fun....not |
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| 22:06.49 | magyar | ahh, there is something calld daemontools that start this thing |
| 22:06.56 | magyar | s/calld/called |
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| 22:07.53 | magyar | bye-bye inittab and initd |
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| 22:35.45 | Enrico_Menotti | Ok, I have been able to do what I asked (ssh over usb). I just don't understand it... Anybody willing to explain to me? I did this: 1) connected the device via usb; 2) issued, on my computer (Debian), ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.14; 3) the device is accessible at 192.168.2.15. I completely miss what I am doing with the first command and why on the second I need an IP address incremented by 1. Just tried on the basis of |
| 22:35.45 | Enrico_Menotti | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:49.07 | jhutchins | Enrico_Menotti: What is the "device"? |
| 22:49.27 | Enrico_Menotti | It's an old tablet with a version of Debian running on it. |
| 22:49.38 | linuxthefish | so it doesn't have the same IP as your mac? |
| 22:49.48 | linuxthefish | as your PC* |
| 22:50.24 | Enrico_Menotti | Well, it does not over my wlan. But I'm connecting through usb, not through wlan. |
| 22:50.44 | Voldenet | Enrico_Menotti: basically, you set up a 192.168.2.0/24 network over the cable, duh |
| 22:50.54 | linuxthefish | hey, does anyone know why i can't install libpythonqt-qt5? i get the error "libpythonqt-qt5 : Depends: qtbase-abi-5-3-2 which is a virtual package and is not provided by any available package" |
| 22:51.15 | linuxthefish | but i have libqt5core5a installed which provides qtbase-abi-5-3-2 https://packages.debian.org/sid/qtbase-abi-5-3-2 |
| 22:51.28 | jhutchins | linuxthefish: Which release? |
| 22:51.44 | linuxthefish | debian sid/unstable jhutchins |
| 22:51.51 | Enrico_Menotti | Voldenet Yes, I am setting a network over the cable. But I don't understand who has what address. |
| 22:51.56 | linuxthefish | it works on my other sid PC which is very strange |
| 22:52.18 | Voldenet | Enrico_Menotti: when you run "ifconfig <interface> ip" _you_ have that IP |
| 22:53.39 | Enrico_Menotti | So this means that the tablet is configured so to find my computer at 192.168.2.14? |
| 22:53.52 | Enrico_Menotti | And the tablet has address 192.168.2.15? |
| 22:54.01 | jhutchins | linuxthefish: You should expect that kind of problem with sid. If there isn't a bugreport, file one. |
| 22:54.12 | Voldenet | Enrico_Menotti: Yes. |
| 22:54.18 | jhutchins | linuxthefish: It's an error in the dependencies. |
| 22:54.38 | Enrico_Menotti | One last thing: how is the IP address of the tablet set? Again on the tablet? |
| 22:54.46 | linuxthefish | ah ok thanks jhutchins |
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| 22:55.30 | jhutchins | If you report it you can be proud of keeping it from reaching Stable. |
| 22:55.37 | Voldenet | Enrico_Menotti: Well, running 'ifconfig <interface> ip' basically sets your device to respond to arp discovery requesting that ip, so yes, pretty much. |
| 22:57.38 | Enrico_Menotti | Ok, I didn't get fully this last point, but never mind. And I think the difference of 1 between the two IP's is not a mere coincidence. |
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| 22:58.32 | Enrico_Menotti | But now I have another problem: copying files from the computer to the tablet without following symlinks. I am trying with scp, but I don't find the right option. Any idea? PS rsync seems not to be on the device... |
| 22:59.06 | jhutchins | Enrico_Menotti: You can run rsync from either end. |
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| 22:59.28 | Enrico_Menotti | But what if it is not installed on the tablet? |
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| 23:02.24 | Enrico_Menotti | In fact it's not working. :( |
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| 23:02.39 | jhutchins | It only has to be installed on one side, it runs over ssh just like scp. |
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| 23:05.57 | `Kevin | if using rsync it is executed oh both sides |
| 23:06.43 | Voldenet | Enrico_Menotti: it might be a coincidence, tbh. |
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| 23:06.59 | jhutchins | kevinsan: No. |
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| 23:07.17 | Voldenet | Enrico_Menotti: you could as well use 10.13.23.24/8 and 10.158.219.382/8 |
| 23:07.19 | jhutchins | `Kevin: No. It does not have to be installed on both systems. |
| 23:07.30 | Voldenet | >382 â(´ï½`ï¼)â |
| 23:07.35 | Voldenet | close enough |
| 23:07.48 | c1a551f1ed | Voldenet: It's ipv5. ;) |
| 23:08.07 | jhutchins | `Kevin: Only sshd has to be on the target system. |
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| 23:08.27 | Enrico_Menotti | jhutchins ssh server? |
| 23:08.41 | `Kevin | https://pastebin.com/i7h0dL9X |
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| 23:08.58 | `Kevin | rysnc checksums on both sides |
| 23:09.07 | Voldenet | there's no need to use rsync + set up openssh |
| 23:09.21 | Voldenet | use tar + netcat, easier setup |
| 23:09.38 | Voldenet | (it is harder to use and not really resumable tho) |
| 23:10.02 | Enrico_Menotti | Ah ok wait... maybe I don't have rsync on the computer. Sorry, it's too late... I should go to bed. Let me just try this. |
| 23:10.21 | jhutchins | Enrico_Menotti: Right. |
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| 23:10.46 | jhutchins | `Kevin: It only has to be installed on one system, that's the point. |
| 23:10.55 | `Kevin | jhutchins: i just tested it, |
| 23:11.05 | missmbob | `Kevin: is right |
| 23:11.14 | `Kevin | I did a apt-get purge rsync on one host, ran rsync locally to that host and it failed as per pastebin |
| 23:11.27 | `Kevin | how else would checksumming etc function if rsync doesnt exist on the other side as well? |
| 23:11.37 | Enrico_Menotti | No, it does not work. I have rsync on the computer. Just not on the tablet. |
| 23:11.56 | jhutchins | You guys can believe what you want. I do this all day for a living. |
| 23:12.05 | `Kevin | go test it |
| 23:12.14 | jhutchins | I do. All the time. |
| 23:12.40 | c1a551f1ed | jhutchins: Sorry, but if I try to rsync something to a system that doesn't have rsync installed, it errors out. As per the log `Kevin pasted. :/ |
| 23:12.41 | Enrico_Menotti | Maybe there's something else wrong in my syntax. Let me try again. |
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| 23:13.06 | jhutchins | It works just like scp. |
| 23:13.14 | jhutchins | If scp works, rsync works. |
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| 23:13.43 | Voldenet | jhutchins: erm, wut? |
| 23:13.46 | Voldenet | http://serverfault.com/questions/279610/why-does-rsync-have-to-be-installed-on-both-sides-to-work |
| 23:13.51 | c1a551f1ed | jhutchins: You can keep saying that all you want, but we're all telling you that our results don't match that statement. Do you invoke rsync differently? |
| 23:13.57 | jhutchins | I don't know what you guys are doing, I transfer files to and from systems that don't have it installed all the time. |
| 23:14.30 | Voldenet | most systems come with rsync tho |
| 23:14.32 | Voldenet | ;) |
| 23:14.39 | jhutchins | rsync -av <source> <target> |
| 23:14.44 | psychoticwarrior | wida |
| 23:15.06 | c1a551f1ed | jhutchins: Then I'm sorry, but something is different, because if I use that exact invocation to copy to a system that doesn't have rsync installed, it errors out, command not found. |
| 23:15.34 | Voldenet | http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/324869/does-rsync-package-have-to-be-installed-on-the-remote-server |
| 23:15.42 | Voldenet | stop arguing, i just posted links |
| 23:16.04 | `Kevin | jhutchins: if you have ever done a long transfer you can clearly see rsync running on both sides |
| 23:16.35 | Voldenet | I dislike how I need to enable RC4 in openssh to make rsync quicker |
| 23:16.48 | `Kevin | Voldenet: yep |
| 23:16.54 | jhutchins | Maybe I'm running a differnet version. The version I've used just disables the file compare and only copies files that don't exist. |
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| 23:17.06 | c1a551f1ed | jhutchins: Then that's not stock rsync. |
| 23:17.09 | jhutchins | Something like that. |
| 23:17.12 | `Kevin | Voldenet: but that is what it is, and nc+tar is ideal there or zfs etc options |
| 23:17.27 | Voldenet | I use netcat for everything |
| 23:17.31 | jhutchins | It may be the difference between distros. |
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| 23:18.29 | Voldenet | but rsync is nice for incremental backups, and you kind of need it on both sides to compare lists of checksums without fetching all the files |
| 23:18.31 | Voldenet | over the wire |
| 23:19.14 | jeddi | is unison(-gtk) available on the tablet's version of debian? |
| 23:19.40 | Enrico_Menotti | Ok guys, I cannot install rsync right now on the tablet due to unresolved dependencies. I should reflash it and start again from scratch. But just to transfer these files, could you please explain the tar + netcat method? |
| 23:20.02 | Enrico_Menotti | jeddi What's that? |
| 23:20.27 | jhutchins | Enrico_Menotti: Why not scp if rsync doesn't work? |
| 23:20.41 | Enrico_Menotti | Because it follows symlinks. |
| 23:20.51 | Enrico_Menotti | I need to avoid this. |
| 23:21.20 | jeddi | Enrico_Menotti: unison-gtk is what I use to sync between several machines -- GUI client (though there's a CLI version) that tracks files (flat file of md5 checksums I think) ... uses rsync under the hood to do subsequent syncing of repositories. |
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| 23:22.23 | jeddi | Enrico_Menotti: I use a combination of unison, rsync, git, and android app 'foldersync' to keep various directory structures in sync across phone, tablet, my debian desktop, two debian laptops, and an off-site backup server (also debian). |
| 23:22.24 | Enrico_Menotti | Oh, I don't think that's on the tablet. In any case I don't have a GUI on the computer - just command line. (It's a standard live Debian distro). |
| 23:22.48 | jeddi | It is possibly slightly too many technologies. |
| 23:23.24 | jeddi | Enrico_Menotti: you don't need unison-gtk on teh tablet -- just the unison binary. like rsync, it can be started by the unison-gtk at your desktop-end of the conversation. have a look (apt-cache search unison) on the tablet. |
| 23:23.53 | jeddi | rsync can be told to not follow symlinks, right? -a or something? (been a while since i read the man page :) |
| 23:24.01 | jhutchins | Enrico_Menotti: You could use find to generate a list of files and pass that list to scp. |
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| 23:24.43 | Enrico_Menotti | jhutchins This seems a good idea, indeed. |
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| 23:25.15 | Enrico_Menotti | I think I tried something of this kind this evening. I already forgot it. |
| 23:25.51 | jhutchins | Enrico_Menotti: Check the find manpage, I'm pretty sure it can be told (or defaults to) not follow symlinks. |
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| 23:26.48 | Enrico_Menotti | Yes, then how to? find | scp with some option to let scp get the input? |
| 23:28.16 | jeddi | Enrico_Menotti: scp just needs sshd (server) running at the other end. |
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| 23:29.26 | Enrico_Menotti | Yes, I know, jeddi . I am able to scp. Just have problems with symlinks. Thank you, anyway. |
| 23:29.28 | jeddi | I think scp will follow symlinks - just reviewing the manpage now. Once you do -r (recursive) ... you get symlink following for free. |
| 23:29.30 | ryouma | gnu parallel maybe |
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| 23:29.39 | ryouma | an |
| 23:29.46 | jeddi | Enrico_Menotti: sorry. when you said 'let scp get the input' - what did you mean. |
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| 23:30.20 | Enrico_Menotti | jeddi I mean getting the file name as an argument from the output of find. |
| 23:30.28 | ryouma | find . -type f | parallel scp whatever? |
| 23:30.46 | jeddi | Enrico_Menotti: ah, gotcha, sorry. |
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| 23:32.39 | Enrico_Menotti | find src | cpio -pmud dest |
| 23:32.40 | ryouma | why does scp follow symlinks? is this a use case that actually exists? |
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| 23:32.48 | Enrico_Menotti | From cpio manpage. |
| 23:32.59 | Enrico_Menotti | I will try and then go to bed. |
| 23:33.06 | jeddi | ryouma: good question, and I don't know. I tend to use scp -pr whenever I have an empty destination. |
| 23:33.31 | jeddi | cpio ... crikey! |
| 23:33.52 | Enrico_Menotti | Ah sorry, I need to switch to scp. But with the same syntax, more or less. |
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| 23:35.46 | jeddi | Enrico_Menotti: did you check if unison package is available on tablet's debian repo? |
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| 23:36.24 | Voldenet | Enrico_Menotti: http://toast.djw.org.uk/tarpipe.html |
| 23:36.26 | Voldenet | easy way |
| 23:36.27 | Enrico_Menotti | No, to be honest. I will do. |
| 23:36.27 | jeddi | package name should just be 'unison' for the console version. |
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| 23:37.14 | jeddi | If you'll be driving all this from your normal desktop computer, the interface for unison is going to be a lot clearer than working out symlink following (or not) from scp, cpio, tar, rsync, etc. |
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| 23:37.51 | jeddi | If it's not natively available, then I wouldn't bother jumping through hoops to pull it in. |
| 23:39.14 | Enrico_Menotti | jeddi But you told me that I need a GUI on the computer, right? |
| 23:39.23 | Enrico_Menotti | Voldenet Thanks, I will try. |
| 23:39.31 | ryouma | i found unison to be confusing |
| 23:39.45 | jeddi | Enrico_Menotti: it's *easier* with the unison-gtk (gui) version on the desktop, yes ... but you can use it with just the CLI /console version installed at both ends. (I've not done this) |
| 23:39.47 | Voldenet | what's unison? |
| 23:40.09 | jeddi | unison has some configuration for handling symlinks, f.e.: https://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/download/releases/stable/unison-manual.html#symlinks |
| 23:40.20 | jeddi | apt-cache show unison |
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| 23:40.43 | Voldenet | oh god, using implicit config files |
| 23:40.51 | jeddi | or http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/index.html |
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| 23:41.01 | jeddi | implicit? seems fairly explicit to me. |
| 23:41.31 | Voldenet | I mean - I'd always take a "simple one-line tool without any config" over anything configured |
| 23:42.00 | jeddi | I don't think there's a simple one-line tool option for the problem that Enrico_Menotti has described though, is there? |
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| 23:42.34 | Voldenet | tar | netcat |
| 23:42.40 | Enrico_Menotti | netcat not found. |
| 23:42.43 | Enrico_Menotti | Shit. |
| 23:42.45 | ryouma | nc |
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| 23:43.06 | jeddi | hehe .. netcat, for when you want to shoot yourself in the foot as quickly as possible. :) |
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| 23:43.31 | Voldenet | eh? |
| 23:43.43 | Voldenet | `tar | netcat` way is foolproof |
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| 23:45.00 | Voldenet | in fact, I'm more frequently using dd | pv | gzip | netcat |
| 23:45.04 | Voldenet | than just plain tar + netcat |
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| 23:59.02 | blackflow | Voldenet: throw in openssl enc aes in that pipe and who needs ssh! :) |
| 23:59.37 | Voldenet | blackflow: ikr? :P |
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