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| 00:22.18 | Dagger | somewhat unusual to need DHCPv6 though, usually SLAAC is enabled and you get an address without needing to do anything |
| 00:22.33 | Dagger | unless you're hooked directly into the ISP and not via a router, I guess |
| 00:23.29 | missmbob | at work SLAAC gives me an address but at home i need dhcpv6. stupid comcast |
| 00:25.10 | tgunr | I see no stanza in my interfaces file |
| 00:25.20 | Dagger | I know Comcast require DHCPv6 for the WAN address... but normally it's the router that does that, and then it does SLAAC on the LAN side |
| 00:25.27 | Dagger | gotta add it yourself |
| 00:25.50 | tgunr | Time-Warner cable here, dhclient -6 seems to be the only way I can get an ipv6 assigned |
| 00:26.06 | tgunr | My debain box is my router |
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| 00:27.47 | tgunr | I just can't find where dhclient is started |
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| 00:28.55 | Dagger | well, specifically it'll be done by `ifup` when bringing your WAN interface up, but only if you have an "iface eth1 inet6 dhcp" stanza in /e/n/i |
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| 00:30.58 | Dagger | ...I should add a disclaimer that I've never done this, and I'm relying on the manpage not being a bunch of lies |
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| 00:31.13 | tgunr | and i don't |
| 00:31.36 | tgunr | er, have an ifup stanza |
| 00:32.15 | Dagger | do you have anything at all in /e/n/i for your WAN interface? |
| 00:33.08 | tgunr | yes, but no stanza for starting dhclient |
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| 00:33.34 | tgunr | scratch his head |
| 00:34.06 | tgunr | SOMETHING has to start this on boot, but what? |
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| 00:34.34 | tgunr | I guess for now I will just kill it manually and restart it with -6 |
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| 00:34.59 | Dagger | could you pastebin it? feeling a little confused |
| 00:35.09 | tgunr | sure, brb |
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| 00:37.08 | tgunr | http://d.pr/n/EEIy |
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| 00:38.56 | tgunr | http://d.pr/n/FG5u is dhclient with -6 |
| 00:40.13 | Dagger | "netmask 48" is almost always a mistake, as a general rule your on-link subnets should be /64 or someone is screwing up somewhere (possibly your ISP) |
| 00:40.24 | Dagger | but uh, just change "iface eth1 inet6 auto" to "iface eth1 inet6 dhcp"? |
| 00:40.30 | tgunr | arg, forgot to pull that out |
| 00:40.49 | tgunr | same thing eith way, no ipv6 assigned |
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| 00:42.39 | Dagger | not sure then. according to `man interfaces`, "iface eth1 inet6 dhcp" is the way to do it |
| 00:43.10 | tgunr | i agree with that statement , will keep poking |
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| 00:43.40 | Dagger | incidentally the actual `ifup` is run by a generated systemd unit. something to do with /lib/systemd/system/ifup@.service and/or /run/systemd/generator.late/ifupdown.service |
| 00:43.46 | Dagger | (I don't know much more beyond that) |
| 00:44.57 | tgunr | I can't find any reference to /sbin/dhclient in /etc |
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| 00:50.38 | tobiasBora | Hello, |
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| 00:51.34 | tgunr | Aloha |
| 00:51.59 | tobiasBora | I've a program on a server with several IP address (so there are virtual addresses eth:0, eth:1, eth:2... And I'd like to force one program (but not the other programs) to use this interface. Is it possible? |
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| 00:53.07 | missmbob | tobiasBora: it's up to the program. if it's configurable to attach to a specific interface. a lot of server programs obviously can |
| 00:53.45 | tobiasBora | missmbob: So if a program do not allow this, there are no ways to force that? |
| 00:54.04 | missmbob | tobiasBora: i've not seen it |
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| 00:54.28 | tobiasBora | missmbob: Ok thank you. If someone else know how to force that, I'm interested! |
| 00:54.43 | tobiasBora | By the way I'm quite new with having several IP |
| 00:55.24 | tobiasBora | if I use for example two virtual interfaces instead of one, will in increase my maximum download rate? |
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| 00:57.16 | dgriffi | does anyone know how to get in touch with the MATE mailing list? their server isn't responding |
| 00:57.17 | tobiasBora | or do I have the same maximum amount of connection available because "they use the same hardware" ? |
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| 00:59.28 | Dagger | tobiasBora: those aren't virtual interfaces. they're literally just multiple IPs on one interface |
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| 01:01.24 | tobiasBora | Dagger: Hum ok, so it means that if I use those two interfaces to download something, if would be as efficient as if I use only one interface because they use the same hardware, right? |
| 01:01.50 | Dagger | they're not multiple interfaces. they're multiple IPs on one interface |
| 01:01.56 | petemc | aliased |
| 01:01.57 | Dagger | but yes, it won't make a difference to transfer speeds |
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| 01:02.40 | dgriffi | any MATE users at all in here? |
| 01:02.48 | tx | nah mate |
| 01:02.50 | tx | I use KDE now :( |
| 01:03.42 | Dagger | you can see more accurately with `ip a`, `ifconfig` is very deprecated and doesn't support multiple v4 addresses on an interface |
| 01:03.50 | tgunr | Dagger Found out it is coded into ifupdown |
| 01:04.17 | petemc | Dagger: what? it does, with aliased interfaces, as that person described |
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| 01:05.38 | Dagger | tgunr: I'm currently looking at the ifupdown source. I haven't found the actual call to dhclient yet |
| 01:06.01 | tgunr | Check the function dhcp_up() : |
| 01:06.23 | tgunr | else if ( execable("/sbin/dhclient") ) { |
| 01:06.36 | Dagger | (note that by "currently" I meant "before you said that"... there's nowhere else in the ifupdown package it could be) |
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| 01:06.57 | Dagger | petemc: I'm not sure if it really counts as supporting multiple IPs per interface when the support mechanism is to generate virtual interfaces with one IP each :p |
| 01:07.15 | petemc | worked for me for year |
| 01:07.22 | petemc | before iproute2 |
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| 01:08.08 | cef | q: moving from jessie with some backports (mainly x drivers) to sid. go via stretch or should going direct be fine? |
| 01:08.16 | tgunr | I'm guessing since I had `iface eth1 inet dhcp' before `iface eth1 inet6 auto' it started without the -6 ? |
| 01:08.47 | missmbob | cef: jessie-backports has a lot of x drivers ...no need to use sid packages |
| 01:09.09 | tgunr | rebooting to test |
| 01:09.47 | missmbob | !tell cef about jessie-backports |
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| 01:10.17 | cef | missmbob: I actually need drivers out of experimental, and if i'm going to pull in experimental pkgs, I'm going to sid. also, I never said I was after sid for drivers (you made that assumption), I only said that I was running jessie-backports FOR drivers. |
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| 01:11.14 | cef | missmbob: I'm already running jessie-backports. drivers aren't new enough for my video chipset. I actually need mesa 17, libdrm 2.4.75, etc. |
| 01:11.25 | petemc | cef: then you're asking in the wrong place. and by asking you're admitting that you probably shouldnt be running sid or experimental |
| 01:11.44 | petemc | but, try #debian-next |
| 01:12.02 | cef | missmbob: and due to the stretch freeze, they're not coming to jessie-backports |
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| 01:12.53 | cef | petemc: except that currently #debian-next invite only |
| 01:12.59 | Dagger | cef: that's a very rant-worthy topic :| |
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| 01:13.18 | Dagger | it's probably on oftc. most of debian's channels are there |
| 01:13.20 | missmbob | cef: it's in oftc |
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| 01:14.03 | tgunr | that wasn;;t it |
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| 01:15.14 | cef | Dagger: I'm not ranting. I quite understand that stretch has to freeze. I've run sid many times before over many years in some cases (I've been using debian since mid-2004. I'm happy to run sid again. But things change and I wanted to make sure if I should just dist-upgrade to sid direct, or go via stretch. |
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| 01:17.38 | Dagger | I'm the one that wants to rant. freezing stretch shouldn't prevent people from working on the rest of Debian |
| 01:17.54 | Dagger | but alas, bringing that up just leads to... well, what you're about to see now |
| 01:18.29 | petemc | define working |
| 01:18.35 | petemc | and people |
| 01:19.53 | tobiasBora | Dagger: Ok thank you, excuse me if my vocabulary isn't appropriate, it's the first time I see multiple ip |
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| 01:21.25 | cef | Dagger: that's what the experimental pkgs are being used for somewhat. eg: mesa 17.0.2 and libdrm 2.4.76 are in experimental, but since they're most likely built against sid, it makes sense to use sid as your base for running them. I thought about rebuilding them myself against jessie/jessie-backports and decided I didn't want to do that myself (nor turn it into a repo for others to pull from). I haven't found anyone else willing to put the time into doing |
| 01:21.25 | cef | the repo bit either. |
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| 01:21.48 | Dagger | landing new versions of packages, package maintainers. or something along those lines |
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| 01:22.14 | Dagger | cef: and rebuilding doesn't always work nicely anyway :( if you end up having to pull a bunch of other newer dependencies in |
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| 01:23.37 | cef | Dagger: indeed. then again, that's pretty much what backports is all about. |
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| 01:28.02 | cef | Dagger: in my case, it's all about getting decent working graphics on my new machine.. since the default 4.9 kernel, mesa 13 and libdrm 2.4.74 (all from jessie-backports) are all like 1 version short of supporting my graphics hardware properly. :/ |
| 01:29.25 | dvs | cef: what video driver? |
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| 01:31.21 | cef | dvs: intel. Kaby Lake i7-7700 cpu. Intel HD graphics 630 |
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| 01:33.27 | dvs | cef, That's too new for the jessie kernel |
| 01:33.27 | cef | dvs: with jessie/jessie-backports, the 3D is about 1/3 the speed it's supposedly capable of, and you get weird artifacts with large amounts of poly's, where whole groups of poly's just dissapear. |
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| 01:34.35 | cef | dvs: I'm running 4.9 out of jessie-backports atm, and really I need 4.10. Which is why I'm looking at going to sid. |
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| 01:35.08 | missmbob | pretty easy to compile 4.10 yourself |
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| 01:36.16 | dvs | yeah, you'll need to compile it yourself. |
| 01:36.18 | cef | missmbob: if it was just that, I'd have done it.. mesa 17 too. but libdrm2 (2.75+) last I saw was a bit of a pain. |
| 01:36.48 | dvs | and stretch won't have it either by default. |
| 01:37.33 | cef | dvs: I know.. it'll only appear in stretch after stretch-backports appears and even then, it'll probably take a while to appear. |
| 01:38.21 | cef | dvs: whereas pretty much everything I need is in sid plus a few experimental pkgs (what will flow into sid once the freeze is over). |
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| 01:39.19 | cef | dvs: this box is relatively new, and I installed it from scratch. I thought I'd give it a try on jessie/jessie backports but well.. as Maxwell Smart says "Missed it by that much." |
| 01:40.53 | VentGrey | Hello world |
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| 01:41.24 | dvs | cef: you might need to get a cheap, temporary video card to carry you over. |
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| 01:43.01 | VentGrey | Is anyone using bleachbit 1.12? I seem to be encountering some...strange crash when I use it as super user |
| 01:43.43 | cef | dvs: Yeah. I had an old nvidia 450gts in my previous machine I was going to use, but seems my m/board doesn't want to talk to it. :/ Might have to get something like a 750 or something I guess. |
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| 01:48.15 | VentGrey | :< |
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| 03:31.23 | SamSagaZ | hey guys, i want to install some server into my debian to connect to irc like irccloud, can someone recommend some server to run it? |
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| 03:31.48 | SamSagaZ | or irccloud is OK? |
| 03:31.55 | SamSagaZ | have some server version ? |
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| 03:43.48 | nmschulte | I use Debian without a desktop environment; I use i3 as my WM, and libnotify for notifications. Blueman/BlueZ use libnotify (via D-Bus?) to prompt when devices try to automatically connect/handshake with the host, but I don't ever see a way to responde with an "allow" (or even a deny, though I suspect clicking or escape just make the prompt go away). Is there a different notifier setup I can/should |
| 03:43.54 | nmschulte | use, or what do you recommend I do here? |
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| 03:54.08 | awal1 | nmschulte, check if managing your desktop via pcmanfm, thunar, roxfiler ... helps |
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| 03:58.22 | nmschulte | awal1: I figured it out -- I forget dunst is my notify daemon; you can use ctrl+shift+period to get a menu where you can accept/deny/etc. |
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| 03:59.29 | awal1 | nmschulte, I also use 'dunst' |
| 03:59.40 | awal1 | ctrl-shift-period? |
| 04:00.16 | awal1 | i3 keybinding or what are you talking about? |
| 04:00.29 | awal1 | nmschulte, |
| 04:01.35 | nmschulte | awal1: https://github.com/dunst-project/dunst/issues/163#issuecomment-71080150 |
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| 04:02.46 | awal1 | nmschulte, oh, thanks; I wasn't aware about that feature |
| 04:03.20 | nmschulte | I wasn't either, and I _always_ forget! |
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| 04:04.32 | nmschulte | right click apparently is a "discard all" shortut, FYI. (as left click is a "discard (focused)" shortcut) |
| 04:05.03 | awal1 | hm |
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| 04:11.34 | awal1 | nmschulte, sometimes I use pcmanfm (pcmanfm --desktop) for manage my desktop (under openbox or fvwm WM's) and I get prompts about new inserted devices (open, cancel...). not sure about bluetooth stuff |
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| 04:13.33 | nmschulte | I use udiskie, a UDisks/UDisks2 front-end, and it seems to send desktop notifications via dbus as well. |
| 04:14.01 | nmschulte | pulseaudio (or at least, pasystray) sends d-bus notifications, and notify-send can be used to craft your own. |
| 04:14.20 | nmschulte | Spotify! uses desktop notifications too |
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| 04:17.41 | awal1 | ,v udiskie |
| 04:17.42 | judd | Package: udiskie on amd64 -- stretch: 1.5.1-2; sid: 1.5.1-2; experimental: 1.7.0-1 |
| 04:18.50 | awal1 | good to hear about udiskie; I'll try it later so |
| 04:19.15 | awal1 | it looks like pmount is orphaned now |
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| 04:21.54 | nmschulte | glad to help, :) |
| 04:22.27 | nmschulte | I could use some help getting MTP (USB phone file sharing) with Thunar/UDisks, if you know how. |
| 04:23.45 | nmschulte | I thought this was done via GVFS or such, and I used to have it working a while back, but it seems w/ my new laptop and device it doesn't work anymore. |
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| 04:25.40 | nmschulte | Aha! It _is_ gvfs; I was missing the gvfs-backends package, but somehow had libmtp and friends. |
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| 04:26.29 | awal1 | nmchulte, you need gvfs-backends pkg, yeah |
| 04:26.35 | awal1 | that's what I use |
| 04:26.37 | qih | Hi, when libssl-latest and openssl-latest install, is the default location for the *.a & *.so files in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu? |
| 04:27.56 | awal1 | nmschulte, you may want gmtp too |
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| 04:35.04 | mi11k1 | does anybody have experience running sketchup in wine? |
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| 04:35.41 | missmbob | mi11k1: try #winehq |
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| 04:36.50 | mi11k1 | missmbob, thanks |
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| 04:41.28 | LiuYan | ,v samba |
| 04:41.29 | judd | Package: samba on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u7; wheezy-security: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u11; wheezy-backports: 2:4.1.17+dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u2; jessie-security: 2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u4; stretch: 2:4.5.6+dfsg-1; sid: 2:4.5.6+dfsg-2 |
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| 04:45.40 | mi11k1 | missmbob, nobody is there. heres what console sais, <internal:gem_prelude>:1:in `require': cannot load such file -- rubygems.rb (LoadError) |
| 04:45.41 | mi11k1 | from <internal:gem_prelude>:1:in `<compiled>' |
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| 04:46.04 | mi11k1 | so its a ruby thing i guess |
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| 05:12.21 | nmschulte | mi11k1: last I tried to run sketchup, I caved and ran it via Windows, and I tried _realllllly_ hard not to. Also, sketchup is so old, it's not even around anymore. |
| 05:13.06 | nmschulte | I never cave to run windows; I've since stopped using Sketchup. |
| 05:17.14 | qih | nmschulte: I'm with you. I'll find another solution rather than run *that* O/S just for an application or two. |
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| 05:22.47 | nmschulte | At the time, I required a VM to perform my job, so it wasn't a terrible solution. That time passed a while back. Unfortunate, as I haven't found a good replacement yet. |
| 05:23.37 | qih | Pen & Paper? ... low tech, cheap, O/S agnostic 8-) |
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| 05:23.43 | deitario1 | I'm still relatively new to using systemd. What's the recommended way to replace the nginx unit definition with one of my own (that sandboxes it) without apt-get undoing the changes later? (I know apt-get won't overwrite stuff in /etc, but the package-provided unit file isn't under /etc) |
| 05:23.50 | nmschulte | that's basically what I've resolved to, yeah, :) |
| 05:24.00 | nmschulte | good old TI-89 still works great, too |
| 05:24.02 | qih | nmschulte: Hahaha awesome if you can draw... |
| 05:25.00 | nmschulte | I wish; I'm no artist, but drawing on gridded paper makes it a snap |
| 05:25.21 | nmschulte | got engineering pads all over the house from school still, so it works out |
| 05:26.23 | deitario1 | Gotta love grid paper. I just wish it wasn't four times as expensive as equivalent-quality lined paper at the dollar store. (Same paper, just a different pattern of ink. 200 pages for $1 CA vs. 50 for $1 CA) |
| 05:26.27 | nmschulte | I mean to try using Blender w/ real world dimensions, but I'm not sure it's well suited |
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| 05:28.22 | borsin | nmschulte: are you referring to the unit file in /lib/systemd/system/nginx.service? |
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| 05:29.38 | deitario1 | borsin: If you were addressing me, then yes. I want to override it with one containing modifications from a Gentoo user who figured out the strictest systemd sandboxing directives that nginx will take when operating as a combination static file server and reverse proxy for application servers. |
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| 05:30.24 | borsin | deitario1: that's where the nginx service is configured, however, im not familiar with configuration for it |
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| 05:31.15 | deitario1 | borsin: I know what to put in the unit file. What I need to know is how to override the apt-provided unit file without the next package update reverting my changes. |
| 05:32.04 | deitario1 | Ages ago, I remember running across the configuration rule that makes apt treat /etc specially, but I'm pretty sure /lib/systemd wasn't in the list of paths for it. |
| 05:32.13 | borsin | ahh! that's typically referenced inside of /etc/systemd? pointing to the nginx.service? |
| 05:33.29 | borsin | like custom@nginx.service or something? |
| 05:34.26 | deitario1 | I honestly don't know. I haven't had time to binge-read the systemd docs yet and, given that Debian 8 still has stuff like the /etc/init.d/ initscripts, I'm concerned about possible Debian deviations from the docs. |
| 05:35.30 | deitario1 | Heck, I spent so long on Ubuntu back when systemd first came onto the scene that I've forgotten the significance of the @ symbol in custom@nginx.service. |
| 05:35.48 | nmschulte | deitario1: that sounds like a bug with the packaging of nginx / the package that has the unit files, to be honest. |
| 05:35.52 | nmschulte | https://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/09/21/debian-conffile-configuration-file-managed-by-dpkg/ |
| 05:36.02 | nmschulte | this post indicates that each package has a list of such files |
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| 05:36.15 | nmschulte | though, I'm not sure how systemd packagers/maintainers view unit files |
| 05:37.16 | nmschulte | http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/157892/debian-prevent-particular-file-from-being-overwritten-during-package-upgrade -- this is interesting, I bet |
| 05:37.51 | deitario1 | nmschulte: Unfortunately, nginx-common (which provides that unit file) doesn't declare it as a Conffile. |
| 05:38.03 | borsin | deitario1: i've seen the @ used but not sure either if it's necessary. line 44 in the systemd.unit docs mentions precedence |
| 05:38.08 | nmschulte | dpkg-divert, I think |
| 05:38.29 | nmschulte | good luck! |
| 05:39.23 | deitario1 | That's basically why I'm asking. I'm unsure what path I should be taking while walking the intersection between the overriding support provided by systemd and the overriding support provided by apt. |
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| 05:40.36 | nmschulte | deitario1: I think you want to use the dpkg-divert utility. I haven't used it myself, but the post makes it look straight forward. |
| 05:41.10 | nmschulte | You'd be managing the conflicts due to version incompatibility yourself, though, but you'd be doing that regardless. |
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| 05:42.33 | deitario1 | I'll want to look into whether dpkg-divert is a convenience wrapper around an API-stable config file syntax though (similar to debconf and unattended-upgrades). It's much easier to get my Ansible idempotency and change detection working if I'm copying or patching a file, rather than running an opaque command. |
| 05:42.35 | borsin | deitario1: apt doesn't remove configuration files? so based on docs /etc/systemd additions should be ignored but also take precedence over /run or /lib |
| 05:43.30 | deitario1 | borsin: So, basically, you're saying that the recommended approach here is to prefer systemd's solution over apt's? |
| 05:44.29 | borsin | deitario1: not necessarily, but i thought you wanted the systemd solution? |
| 05:44.57 | deitario1 | borsin: I want to know which solution is most idiomatic for this task. |
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| 06:08.54 | deitario1 | In case it helps anyone else, I managed to dig up a likely best solution. Apparently systemd supports an `.include` directive --> https://blog.zencoffee.org/2016/06/customizing-unit-files-systemd/ |
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| 06:37.11 | decci | Hello Everybody |
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| 06:38.07 | decci | I am trying to use Debian installer to insert RAID controller driver - megaraid_sas into Debian Wheezy. I followed the official document to insert the driver and it just detected it during the installation |
| 06:38.07 | Voldenet | hello you |
| 06:38.38 | decci | But once it rebooted post installation, it says "Booting through Hard Disk" |
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| 06:40.37 | decci | I followed https://docs.broadcom.com/docs/12353250 Page:46 |
| 06:41.04 | decci | Wonder how it detected the RAID controller during the installation but failed to detect it once it reboot |
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| 06:45.27 | decci | Any idea what shall I do to persist the change |
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| 07:05.24 | dumbl3d0re | Does it exist a simple command for apt to remove packages belonging to a metapackage (e.g. KDE) and remove all the packages that isn't a dependency for a package not on the list? |
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| 07:06.31 | dumbl3d0re | I installed KDE and want to remove all the packages, but just a small part of them was removed when I used `apt purge kde-plasma-desktop`. I've set the option to remove suggested packages in APT. |
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| 07:11.22 | babilen | dpkg: remove rhythmbox |
| 07:11.22 | dpkg | To remove rhythmbox without removing the rest of gnome, mark the dependencies of gnome as being manually installed (see <unmarkauto>). The gnome <metapackage> will still be uninstalled. aptitude unmarkauto '~R^gnome$' '~RRecommends:^gnome$'; aptitude remove rhythmbox |
| 07:11.33 | babilen | dumbl3d0re: Variations on ^ |
| 07:11.47 | babilen | (adapt to your specific usecase, the idea is the same) |
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| 07:13.22 | dumbl3d0re | babilen: So I have to manually mark all the packages as manually installed before removing them on at a time? |
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| 09:34.56 | abff | ,v xfce |
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| 09:35.01 | abff | ,v xfce4 |
| 09:35.02 | judd | Package: xfce4 on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.8.0.3; jessie: 4.10.1; stretch: 4.12.3; sid: 4.12.3 |
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| 10:03.22 | michele | hi |
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| 10:05.02 | michele | is there a way to ask to dpkg/apt/aptitude for orphaned packages installed in the systems? with orphaned i mean packages that are installed and don't have corresponding packages in the enabled repositories |
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| 10:07.29 | tlund | yes - but I don't know how, however, there is a tool "deborphan" that does exactly this. |
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| 10:07.49 | tlund | ah, no, thats not the same kind of orphan you are talking about i realize now. |
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| 10:10.52 | pantato | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=132317 pls help me |
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| 10:14.33 | themill | michele: aptitude search ~o (the word you are looking for is "obsoloete" nor "orphaned" which has a different meaning in Debian) |
| 10:15.38 | michele | thanks themill |
| 10:17.52 | themill | !not available |
| 10:17.52 | dpkg | To get a list of packages you have installed now, that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' |
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| 10:18.24 | themill | michele: ^^ note that 'obsolete' doesn't catch "I've randomly installed some newer version from some other random place" |
| 10:18.54 | themill | 'obsolete' is about the package name; the 'not available' monstrosity is about 'package name & version' |
| 10:20.13 | fearnothing | if I have a vm whose console is at /dev/pts/1, what's the correct way of running commands on that console? |
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| 10:30.47 | blackflow | Need some help with wifi. I can connecto to the AP with wpa_supplicant manually (with a basic config file defining the hidden network and passphrase), and if I run dhclient on the iface, I get a working network. But doing the same through NetworkManager, I can't connect. |
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| 10:30.56 | blackflow | Connection ends like this: https://dpaste.de/f2Qr |
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| 10:31.35 | blackflow | now, I had to "rfkill enable wifi" before I ran wpa_supplicant. Given this last message in the log, does that mean NetworkManager is not enabling it automatically? |
| 10:32.07 | die7 | which dbv-t2 is recommended? |
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| 10:38.05 | catcatcatcat | hello |
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| 10:38.42 | catcatcatcat | my filesystem is broken so i want to run fsck on it. i only have one partition so i cant do it while running... i tried to froce debian to do it on boot, but i cannot make it work |
| 10:38.59 | catcatcatcat | touch /forcefsck does not work, for example |
| 10:39.06 | catcatcatcat | and i cant figure out how to do this with systemd |
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| 10:39.51 | dgeary2 | catcatcatcat: is booting a separate rescue system an option? |
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| 10:43.01 | catcatcatcat | dgeary2: like booting an usb-stick? yes, i think i could try that |
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| 11:39.11 | blackflow | Anyone knows, if there's a bug in NetworkManager or something, I can use my (Ralink USB) wifi directly with wpa_supplicant + dhclient just fine (so driver+firmware+auth are ok), but NetworkManager can't establish connection. |
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| 11:50.03 | SpaceAce | what's the best way to find+replace in a text file? |
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| 11:52.37 | missmbob | SpaceAce: sed. go to ##sed and google sed howto |
| 11:53.59 | abrotman | that's such a vague question |
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| 11:54.57 | SpaceAce | mine, abrotman? |
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| 11:55.15 | SpaceAce | thanks missmbob for the response. sed is what I need |
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| 11:57.36 | blackflow | vim. :%s/search/replace/g :wq :) |
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| 12:06.49 | MaxLanar | Hi. I forgot the password of my FDE enabled debian box. Hopefully the computer is on so I already made a backup of all the data. But is there an easy way (easier than to install a debian again) to recover the passphrase now ? From the ram ? Can't find anyhting on the web... |
| 12:06.51 | SpaceAce | thanks for the response, blackflow. It's part of a script, though |
| 12:07.04 | SpaceAce | <3 vim though |
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| 12:09.28 | blackflow | MaxLanar: the whole point of FDE is that you shouldn't be able to recover data in case you don't have the passphrase. But if the luks container is opened, you can (afaik!) change the passphrase without knowing the previous one. I'm not sure, maybe google for "luks change passphrase" |
| 12:09.34 | blackflow | MaxLanar: of course, I'm assuming you used luks |
| 12:09.36 | themill | MaxLanar: you should be able to add an additional passphrase |
| 12:10.26 | nkuttler | i think you need to know a valid passphrase to add one |
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| 12:11.00 | nkuttler | but see for example https://access.redhat.com/solutions/1543373 |
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| 12:19.26 | MaxLanar | black: yes I use luks. nkuttler : thoses instructions seems easy enough :) thanks for your link, I'll try that |
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| 12:20.40 | irthewinner | guys, what's the main difference between Ubuntu (Unity) and Ubuntu Gnome (and what do you recommend) |
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| 12:21.25 | missmbob | irthewinner: this is debian. ask #ubuntu |
| 12:22.09 | irthewinner | oh |
| 12:22.27 | irthewinner | i thought it's linked to here somehow |
| 12:22.28 | irthewinner | ty ;) |
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| 12:43.01 | JRSS121 | hi guys can someone help me with dd command? trying to create live CD to a USB |
| 12:43.09 | JRSS121 | I think something is up with my syntax |
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| 12:44.00 | MaxLanar | JRSS121: what is your command ? |
| 12:44.12 | MaxLanar | what the result is ? |
| 12:44.17 | missmbob | JRSS121: easier to just cp foo.iso /dev/sdX |
| 12:44.57 | MaxLanar | or cat img.iso > /dev/sdX |
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| 12:45.59 | JRSS121 | kali-2.1.2-exynos.img.xz (1/1) |
| 12:45.59 | JRSS121 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:46.02 | JRSS121 | sorry wrong |
| 12:46.02 | missmbob | JRSS121: note you're writing to device, not partition. sdX not sdX1 |
| 12:46.06 | missmbob | jesus |
| 12:46.10 | missmbob | #kali |
| 12:46.13 | missmbob | !kali |
| 12:46.14 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
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| 12:46.25 | JRSS121 | the command is: xzcat kali-2.1.2-exynos.img.xz | dd=/media/root/ESD-USB bs=512k |
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| 12:46.33 | missmbob | JRSS121: ask #kali |
| 12:46.39 | missmbob | #kali-linux |
| 12:46.40 | JRSS121 | I can't get in there :( |
| 12:46.45 | JRSS121 | oh. this one maybe ok. |
| 12:47.15 | JRSS121 | cant' join that either |
| 12:47.24 | missmbob | JRSS121: we dont support kali as the bot says. it's off topic |
| 12:47.29 | c1a551f1ed | JRSS121: That you can't join that channel doesn't make Kali on-topic here. |
| 12:47.38 | JRSS121 | ok great thanks! |
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| 12:52.16 | qqqqqqqq19 | Hi, for me ltsp-build-client fails because /opt/ltsp/amd64 is created 700. (exim4- no user mail -error) . Is that configurable somewhere or a bug? |
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| 13:21.05 | MaxLanar | nkuttler: blackflow: themill: I've been able to add a luks passphrase with that single command (adapted to my config) : 'cryptsetup luksAddKey <DEVICE> --master-key-file <(dmsetup table --showkey /dev/mapper/<MAP> | awk '{print$5}' | xxd -r -p)' |
| 13:21.09 | sine0 | I have a tower with no vga output, is there a livecd that has ssh server enabled so i can find it on the network to connect |
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| 13:22.10 | deepworld | hi, can you help me ? |
| 13:22.15 | MaxLanar | no reinstall for me ! :) |
| 13:22.20 | deepworld | i have issue with ssh |
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| 13:23.40 | MaxLanar | deepworld: we could maybe if you'd had ask a question ;) |
| 13:24.11 | MaxLanar | (english tense are hard, sorry if what I write is wrong) |
| 13:25.06 | deepworld | MaxLanar: yeah sorry, i made two vm debian. i would connect them with ssh |
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| 13:25.30 | deepworld | MaxLanar: but i get Permission denied (publickey, password) |
| 13:26.33 | deepworld | MaxLanar: and debug said that : "we did not send a packet, disable method" |
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| 13:33.58 | MaxLanar | deepworld: how are you trying to connect ? password ? key file ? |
| 13:35.03 | die7 | MaxLanar: he try to connect as root ;) |
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| 13:35.26 | MaxLanar | aww yeah, don't do that :) |
| 13:35.28 | deepworld | with password |
| 13:35.51 | die7 | fresh install do not support root access on ssh |
| 13:35.58 | deepworld | ok i'll use sudent user |
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| 13:39.22 | BluesKaj | HI folks |
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| 15:04.20 | jhutchins | sine0: iirc the ssh daemon on live has some funky configuration, you can't just log in as root or as the live user. |
| 15:04.52 | jhutchins | sine0: You can build a live CD that works, or you can build one that boots to a serial console. |
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| 15:11.24 | sine0 | jhutchins: I think the the bootmodes are off and there is no vga output so im not sure what to do |
| 15:11.34 | sine0 | its a xeon server unit so i want to get on it and have a look |
| 15:12.20 | sine0 | im guessing the onboard vga was disabled in bios, the card that was being used on the AGP slot does not seem to be working... |
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| 15:25.57 | sine0 | jhutchins: will removing the cmos battery lose all bios settings to default ? |
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| 15:31.59 | lighteningbolt | removing the bios battery and draining the power by switching the jumper close to your 2032 cmos battery according to your motherboard manual |
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| 15:36.41 | sine0 | i took the cmos battery out for a couple of minutes, put it back in and turned it on and still nothing, but you say i have to drain it? |
| 15:37.01 | sine0 | manual lol |
| 15:37.23 | missmbob | yes. there's a capacitor that'll provide power for a few minutes. so you have to close the jumper |
| 15:37.43 | missmbob | or you could just wait. maybe it'll last 15 min |
| 15:37.49 | sine0 | roger that |
| 15:38.36 | estragon_ | sometimes let the power button pushed for 30" is enough. power cord off. |
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| 15:39.28 | sine0 | what if i try and turn the computer on with cmos battery not in |
| 15:39.50 | lighteningbolt | It may be easier to make sure the power is off take the battery out for 30 seconds then push the power button on the computer to drain the power |
| 15:40.44 | lighteningbolt | if that doesn't work consult your cmos jumper settings the power may need to be drained manually |
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| 15:46.28 | hiya | In debian, what all kinda logs might have your IP, if you connected to it over SSH only? |
| 15:46.34 | hiya | auth.log | lastlog and? |
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| 15:46.56 | hiya | Can I just shred all these logs without any crashes? |
| 15:47.57 | plantfood | ^ probably |
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| 15:52.51 | webuser5224 | Hi everyone |
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| 16:06.43 | sine0 | jhutchins: lighteningbolt: i think it uses a displayport connector, something I have never used and know nothing about |
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| 16:07.00 | sine0 | i have dvi vga hdmi but not that rubbish |
| 16:07.15 | sine0 | still should output to vga if reset though hu |
| 16:07.22 | sine0 | anyway ill take it to hardware |
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| 16:21.10 | webuser5224 | Hi everyone, I have an intel 82567lm-3 network card for which the e1000e driver should work. I'm using a Debian Stable full image (v. 8.7.1). My problem is that the setup does not recognize my ethernet card. If I try to choose the e1000e driver from the list, it does not let me continue with the setup. |
| 16:21.45 | webuser5224 | I fully verified the image after burning it. |
| 16:22.33 | webuser5224 | modprobe e1000e via installer command line returned no errors. |
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| 16:24.12 | Brigo | webuser5224, can you see the card with lspci? |
| 16:24.35 | webuser5224 | Brigo, yes. |
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| 16:24.56 | Brigo | what's the kernel version? |
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| 16:25.25 | webuser5224 | It shows nothing there, but it shows kernel versions for other parts of the system. |
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| 16:25.49 | Brigo | just uname -a should tell it. |
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| 16:26.23 | Brigo | i am reading you need at least 2.6.27-6.9 version |
| 16:27.22 | Brigo | the default is 3.16, so you should be fine. |
| 16:27.22 | webuser5224 | It says 3.16.0-4 |
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| 16:28.05 | Brigo | my only guess is you need a newer kernel. |
| 16:29.02 | Brigo | webuser5224, you can check the logs too. |
| 16:29.06 | webuser5224 | I only downloaded the latest Debian installation image. |
| 16:29.08 | webuser5224 | Ok, one second. |
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| 16:30.44 | webuser5224 | What should I look for? |
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| 16:31.41 | Azrael_- | hi |
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| 16:33.19 | Azrael_- | how do i install debian into a specific folder? (i did it multiple times but now i just can't remember the command). can you give me a hint? |
| 16:34.11 | TomTomTo1 | Azrael_-: debootstrap. |
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| 16:35.08 | Azrael_- | thanks |
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| 16:35.39 | Maka_ | hi, when creating deb package, is there a way to specify and 'or' package? |
| 16:36.02 | Toba | Maka_: can you elaborate? |
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| 16:38.07 | Maka_ | Toba: im creating a package that requires qt dependency, and the launch binary/script will search for default installed qtlib and also for ones installed from a different repo, in non standard location, so... what i want is to enabled dependency resolving to either default qt or to the non-default... just saying it, it doesnt sound very feasible which is why im asking |
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| 16:41.04 | jhutchins | Yay, reportbug crashes: https://paste.debian.net/925499/ (crossposted on oftc 'cause I thought I was here). |
| 16:41.29 | jhutchins | I did reinstall it, still fails. |
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| 16:42.06 | TomTomTo1 | Maka_: alternative dependencies are declared in the control file using the pipe symbol | https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html |
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| 16:42.39 | sine0 | found the jumpers guys and that worked up and running :D |
| 16:42.43 | nkuttler | jhutchins: that's on stable?! |
| 16:43.51 | Maka_ | TomTomTo1: thanks, thats what I was looking for, but couldn't parse the query in a googlable way :) |
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| 16:45.36 | jhutchins | nkuttler: Yes. |
| 16:46.21 | jhutchins | I ran it ... two weeks ago? Worked fine. |
| 16:46.37 | TomTomTo1 | just report a oh... ^^ |
| 16:47.03 | nkuttler | jhutchins: i'd kind of suspect the server response has changed/is invalid |
| 16:47.12 | nkuttler | but hard to tell without inspecting the data |
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| 16:48.32 | nkuttler | jhutchins: you could dump the data in get_status() |
| 16:48.33 | jhutchins | TomTomTo1: Yeah, irony. |
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| 16:48.42 | nkuttler | or just report it the old fashioned way |
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| 17:10.07 | Envil | Is there any suggested way on making rules from the `tc` command permanent? |
| 17:11.29 | Brigo | Envil, maybe wondershaper |
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| 17:12.29 | Paul^^ | hello |
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| 17:14.45 | Envil | Isn't that kind of just a wrapper around tc? |
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| 17:15.48 | Brigo | Envil, yes |
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| 17:17.33 | Envil | That would leave with the same problem of applying it on reboots or if the interface goes down (if that is even necessary there). |
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| 17:19.58 | Brigo | Envil, no, you can execute it from /etc/network/interfaces, as you can see in the readme file. |
| 17:20.27 | Brigo | Envil, maybe you can run tc from there too, not sure. |
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| 17:21.41 | Envil | Yeah tc certainly should work from there too if that script does. |
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| 17:34.02 | luky90 | hello a question why is vim so bullshit in debian stretch? |
| 17:34.31 | luky90 | i cant even copy content from a texteditor notepad windows into putty vim |
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| 17:34.35 | luky90 | it says visual...??? |
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| 17:34.57 | luky90 | insert visual |
| 17:34.59 | luky90 | wtf |
| 17:35.30 | jelly | luky90: :set paste and verify you're in insert mode |
| 17:35.52 | luky90 | insert mode is key i i thought |
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| 17:37.14 | luky90 | jelly no it does not work |
| 17:37.18 | luky90 | vim is broken.... |
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| 17:37.37 | luky90 | it worked well in jessie but after i upgraded to stretch this shit is completely broken |
| 17:37.54 | n4dir | set mouse=v |
| 17:38.13 | luky90 | i think ill install vim from jessie |
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| 17:38.45 | n4dir | just make the according changes to vimrc |
| 17:39.01 | luky90 | a ruski would say cyka blyat idi nahui |
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| 17:49.17 | Pr0metheus | anyone knows if I can search file contents using nautilus? Is it supported? |
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| 17:56.31 | luky90 | vim does not work |
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| 17:56.49 | luky90 | please i copied the vimrc and vimrc.tiny from a debian 8 machine but it wont help |
| 17:56.54 | luky90 | the visual mode wont go away...... |
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| 17:57.40 | luky90 | why the hell did the devs this to me? |
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| 17:58.06 | luky90 | why change an editor which worked so many years without issues and then simply break everything??? |
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| 17:58.51 | luky90 | Linux is a world full of retards |
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| 18:02.33 | AndreasLutro | probably your own vimrc's fault |
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| 18:03.47 | luky90 | yes thanks to the fucking devs |
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| 18:03.56 | luky90 | i hope the devs are reading this |
| 18:03.59 | luky90 | fuck you devs |
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| 18:04.27 | luky90 | the last that a sys admin needs is mouse in vim |
| 18:04.28 | luky90 | ... |
| 18:04.43 | mtn | april 1st? |
| 18:04.50 | mtn | or just the weekend? |
| 18:04.51 | luky90 | little guy kids go home play on windows |
| 18:05.03 | luky90 | but do not do anything on linux plz |
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| 18:05.22 | n4dir | did you try set mouse=v ? |
| 18:05.37 | teraflops | mtn: irc weekends are awful |
| 18:05.41 | Grimsley | is there any word when firefox non esr will hit testing ? |
| 18:05.56 | luky90 | vim ~/.vimrc then :set mouse-=a |
| 18:05.59 | luky90 | was the solution |
| 18:06.08 | mtn | teraflops: I hate it when they bleed over into the weekdays, too ;) |
| 18:06.11 | luky90 | but just little kiddys dont programm anything on linux please |
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| 18:06.42 | n4dir | weird, if i set mouse=a ; i am back to visual mode. But anyway |
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| 18:21.19 | tdn | I am trying to install Debian 8 from netinst image and configure disks for RAID1, lvm and luks, but somehow it does not work. Either grub fails to install or system fails to boot. This is 3 TB disks. Maybe there is a problem with disks >2TB? I see there is an option to create a partition of type "Reserved for BIOS Bootable..." is this what I need? |
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| 18:27.36 | amosbird | hi, what hwdb pattern should I use to match this https://paste.wentropy.com/dd8k |
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| 18:34.41 | Azrael_- | hi |
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| 18:35.32 | Azrael_- | is there a grub-package available which will create me a proper menu.lst for the current kernel without careing about the boot sector? |
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| 18:36.41 | goiken_ | I’m not a smart man… I just ran `sudo find . -exec chmod 644 {} +` on my user’s home instead of one specific directory where I actually wanted that. Now basically nothing works or only very strange. Fortunately I can still access the root user and reset permissions from there. Any hints on where to start? |
| 18:36.43 | mtn | Azrael_-: can you explain that a bit further? and grub hasn't made menu.lst files for a long time. it now makes grub.cfg |
| 18:37.31 | nkuttler | goiken_: do a find -type d and +x them.. |
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| 18:38.24 | Azrael_- | mtn: i'm using a quite old xen-host-system which is capable of reading the menu.lst for selecting and booting the appropriate kernel from the guest-system. until now i mostly just created the menu.lst manually but thought: perhaps there was a package which hooked into the post-kernel-installation and just nicely generated it for me |
| 18:38.29 | tw | goiken_:https://superuser.com/questions/91935/how-to-chmod-all-directories-except-files-recursively |
| 18:38.31 | goiken_ | nkuttler on the user’s home, I assume? |
| 18:38.44 | nkuttler | goiken_: obviously |
| 18:39.00 | tw | Once you fix the directories, everything else should work okay. |
| 18:39.48 | goiken_ | well… I have a bund of executables too all over the place that I’ll need to find, but I guess I’ll notice that… |
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| 18:40.10 | nkuttler | goiken_: you'll also have to remove some permissions from files, e.g. ~/.ssh stuff etc |
| 18:40.16 | nkuttler | might have |
| 18:41.23 | tw | you're pretty screwed on programs and scripts. I'd consider restoring your homedir from backups. |
| 18:41.39 | nkuttler | tw: uh, what? |
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| 18:42.09 | tw | Recovering permissions for programs and scripts in your homedir? You can't separate them from regular files automatically. |
| 18:42.16 | OS-27720 | \msg Nick |
| 18:42.22 | tw | How would you do that? file ? |
| 18:42.23 | nkuttler | they just need +x |
| 18:42.45 | goiken_ | nkuttler yes… but you can’ŧ figure out which do automatically. |
| 18:42.47 | nkuttler | tw: just look at the $PATH and fix those.. |
| 18:42.59 | nkuttler | goiken_: what do you mean? |
| 18:43.27 | OS-27720 | \msg NickServ join #offsec |
| 18:43.39 | nkuttler | OS-27720: / not \ |
| 18:43.45 | goiken_ | you can’t see automatically which files are scrips that I or some other script might want to execute some time |
| 18:43.46 | OS-27720 | hahahaha |
| 18:43.48 | nkuttler | OS-27720: and you just /join channels |
| 18:43.57 | OS-27720 | thanks guys |
| 18:44.04 | nkuttler | goiken_: start by fixing your dir permissions |
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| 18:44.13 | goiken_ | nkuttler aye. |
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| 18:44.38 | nkuttler | goiken_: and look at your $PATH for locations of stuff that needs +x.. for anything.. you'll notice sooner or later |
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| 18:44.52 | nkuttler | OS-27720: /join ffs, not just join |
| 18:47.26 | goiken_ | so I just ran `find -type d -exec chmod +x {} +` from /home/$USER … |
| 18:48.04 | tw | as root? |
| 18:48.11 | goiken_ | tw yes |
| 18:48.15 | goiken_ | still things like `ls` don’t work from the user’s shell (that is still open) |
| 18:48.19 | tw | doesn't $USER point to root? |
| 18:48.37 | goiken_ | tw I used the correct dir (cd'ed there first) |
| 18:48.44 | tw | Ah, and you had a . after find? |
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| 18:48.55 | goiken_ | tw ah… right. thx |
| 18:49.14 | nkuttler | goiken_: how does ls not work? |
| 18:49.15 | goiken_ | so `find -type d . -exec chmod +x {} +`, right? |
| 18:49.28 | goiken_ | nkuttler goikenⒶtombox1:~ ∴ ls |
| 18:49.28 | goiken_ | bash: ls: command not found |
| 18:49.28 | goiken_ | bash: /dev/null: Permission denied |
| 18:49.29 | tw | find . -type d (etc |
| 18:49.40 | goiken_ | tw ok |
| 18:49.49 | nkuttler | goiken_: that looks like you messed up /bin permissions as well |
| 18:49.58 | nkuttler | or it's not in your path.. what.. |
| 18:50.22 | goiken_ | how…? bin is no child of /home/$USER … |
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| 18:51.17 | nkuttler | goiken_: what happens when you run /bin/ls directly? |
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| 18:51.41 | zxd | hi |
| 18:51.42 | goiken_ | nkuttler same |
| 18:51.48 | zxd | where can I ask ldconfig questions |
| 18:51.50 | nkuttler | goiken_: as root, ls -ld /bin |
| 18:51.55 | goiken_ | nkuttler oh not the same actually |
| 18:51.59 | nkuttler | ... |
| 18:52.01 | goiken_ | goikenⒶtombox1:~ ∴ /bin/ls |
| 18:52.01 | goiken_ | bash: /bin/ls: Permission denied |
| 18:52.01 | goiken_ | bash: /dev/null: Permission denied |
| 18:52.08 | tw | you're in trouble. |
| 18:52.11 | nkuttler | goiken_: as root, ls -ld /bin /bin/ls |
| 18:52.21 | teraflops | ugh |
| 18:52.38 | nkuttler | goiken_: if you broke / permissions better to just reinstall everything |
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| 18:53.22 | nkuttler | and be more careful with recursive operations in the future :) |
| 18:54.06 | goiken_ | so / bin had permissions drwx-xr-x and /bin/ls has -rwx-xr-xr-x… |
| 18:54.18 | goiken_ | as I said initially… I am not a smart man ;-) |
| 18:54.19 | teraflops | find piped to exec: a recipe for disaster |
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| 18:54.57 | nkuttler | goiken_: that sounds about right |
| 18:55.33 | goiken_ | if I had broken these permissions, I couldn’t really do stuff as root (which I can), could i? |
| 18:55.34 | nkuttler | missing some r in there, but i'll attribute that to a typo |
| 18:55.46 | goiken_ | nkuttler could well be… ;-) |
| 18:55.48 | nkuttler | goiken_: depends on how you break things |
| 18:56.26 | tw | regarding homedir restore because of +x missing, I just checked mine and I've got something like 1500+ due to wine and dropbox alone. |
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| 18:57.06 | tw | So on a desktop it gets out of hand pretty fast. |
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| 18:58.57 | goiken_ | when I try to open a new tab in my terminator, I get *** VTE ***: Failed to load terminal capabilities from '/etc/termcap' |
| 18:58.57 | goiken_ | Unable to find a shell |
| 18:59.06 | nkuttler | that's easily fixed, rm -rf the wine dir and pull from dropbox |
| 18:59.40 | nkuttler | goiken_: is that as normal user? did you fix your ~/ permissions? can you ls / find in ~/? |
| 19:00.52 | Azrael_- | mtn: seems like grub-legacy is doing a good job for me |
| 19:00.57 | sine0 | is there php7 metapackage |
| 19:01.16 | nkuttler | ,v php7.0 |
| 19:01.18 | judd | Package: php7.0 on amd64 -- sid: 7.0.14-2; stretch: 7.0.16-3; sid: 7.0.16-3 |
| 19:01.18 | goiken_ | nkuttler yes as normal user. I ran `find . -type d -exec chmod +x {} +` as root on /home/$bokenuser and doesn’t work due to denied permissions |
| 19:01.36 | nkuttler | goiken_: please, paste.debian.net the command you used and the error |
| 19:01.43 | goiken_ | root can run ls just find |
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| 19:03.30 | sine0 | judd: |
| 19:03.33 | sine0 | sine@dellcorei5:~$ sudo apt-cache search php7 |
| 19:03.33 | sine0 | sine@dellcorei5:~$ |
| 19:03.59 | sine0 | i thought php7 was well underway that it would just be in there :D |
| 19:04.08 | nkuttler | sine0: stable doesn't get new packages |
| 19:04.20 | nkuttler | it's in the next release though |
| 19:04.20 | goiken_ | nkuttler hm… copy pasting seems broken. I can paste here and to my adress-bar but not to the form from the site ;-) |
| 19:04.20 | sine0 | jessie 8.7 |
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| 19:29.34 | asarch | I am from Mexico and there is no IPv6 support in my country. How can avoid to use that version in the system? |
| 19:30.23 | asarch | apt-get update: "100% [Connecting to http.debian.net (2001:41c8:1000:21::21:4)] [Connecting to apt.postgresql.org (2001:4800:1501:1::246)]" |
| 19:30.27 | Dagger | asarch: you don't need to do anything. if you have no v6 then it won't get used |
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| 19:30.51 | asarch | Thank you Dagger |
| 19:30.58 | asarch | Thank you very much :-) |
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| 19:31.22 | Dagger | check `wget apt.postgresql.org`, you might find it's trying v4 first and that's failing for whatever reason |
| 19:31.41 | Dagger | if it *is* trying v6 first then you have v6, it's just not working |
| 19:32.14 | Dagger | 15% of people in Brazil have v6, so there is some support there |
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| 19:50.05 | asarch | wget: http://paste.debian.net/925534/ |
| 19:50.59 | asarch | This is a i386-based box |
| 19:51.16 | asarch | With an AMD64-base box, everything is fine |
| 19:51.24 | asarch | (In the same AP) |
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| 20:06.52 | avar | I'm guessing the stretch rc2 now is the best option for a netinst usb/cd: https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 20:07.15 | johnkeates | in #debian it's not, in #debian-next it is |
| 20:07.57 | avar | It's been a while since I've installed debian again (although I run it) but last time I had way better luck with the soon-to-be-stable than stable |
| 20:09.54 | kzimmermann | anyone here running on mac hardware? Any idea on how can I paste highlighted text on a terminal? I used to use middle click or Shift+Insert, but neither combination is present on a macbook |
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| 20:10.32 | kzimmermann | (speaking of which, lots of things are missing... like page up and down. but that's another story) |
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| 20:40.56 | VentGrey | Hello world |
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| 20:48.32 | tdn | Where does the hostname come from in a file like this: /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf:ARRAY /dev/md/0 metadata=1.2 UUID=a719a7a5:93fd065c:171425f3:8950de3d name=syrah:0 |
| 20:48.37 | tdn | And can I change it? |
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| 20:48.54 | tdn | If I change hostname of the server, do I need to change this? Or can I even change it without breaking my mdadm raid array? |
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| 20:58.46 | matu_ | Hi |
| 20:59.03 | matu_ | is anyone using an AMD graphic card and Steam on Debian ? |
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| 21:02.58 | matu_ | I am planning to buy an AMD RX 480 in order to play Team Fortress on STEAM, i am used to Debian so i would not like to use another distro, have you already tried to play on Debian with an AMD graphic card ? |
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| 21:04.47 | matu_ | *i am used to using Debian |
| 21:05.19 | codeofdusk | How do you set up /etc/network/interfaces to have a static IPV4 address but autoconfigured v6? |
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| 21:05.53 | c1a551f1ed | codeofdusk: That one's pretty easy. Hold on just a sec, I'll work up an explanation. |
| 21:06.42 | c1a551f1ed | codeofdusk: autoconfigured meaning using router advertisements, or DHCPv6? |
| 21:08.36 | c1a551f1ed | codeofdusk: https://paste.debian.net/925537/ |
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| 21:08.47 | c1a551f1ed | codeofdusk: Basically, the 'iface' stanza is specific to protocol. inet vs inet6. |
| 21:08.52 | codeofdusk | c1a551f1ed: autoconfiguration as in I'm behind a router and want a v6 address. Router is an Asus RT-AC5300 running asuswrt-merlin. I think it uses dnsmasq internally. |
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| 21:09.13 | c1a551f1ed | codeofdusk: Yeah, that doesn't mean its doing router advertisements. It could be, or it could be using DHCPv6. The difference matters. |
| 21:09.21 | c1a551f1ed | codeofdusk: It might even do both. |
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| 21:10.26 | c1a551f1ed | codeofdusk: Note that if an inet6 stanza isn't present for an interface, it will configure itself using any received RAs anyway, unless you explicitly disable RA acceptance. |
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| 21:19.46 | codeofdusk | c1a551f1ed: Got it working, thanks! Was missing "auto eth0" and had some of the lines in the wrong order. |
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| 21:30.09 | Putonlalla | Does it make sense for a failing hard drive to slow down reads and writes of all the others as well? |
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| 21:31.59 | Azrael_- | Putonlalla: in case a process reads first on one disk and then on the failing one, then yes: the whole process could be slowed donw |
| 21:32.17 | Putonlalla | It's not even mounted, Azrael_-. |
| 21:33.05 | Putonlalla | I was wondering if this is SATA driver or hardware related. |
| 21:34.10 | Azrael_- | perhaps potentially, but this is out of my experience-scope |
| 21:35.03 | Putonlalla | I know something odd is still going on, because it generates kernel error messages. |
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| 21:41.11 | RoyK | This should be in the topic line (; https://bits.debian.org/2017/04/unknown-parallel-universe-uses-debian.html |
| 21:43.07 | Azrael_- | grrr, i hate being forced to use third-party sources just because clients request php7 |
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| 21:44.41 | RoyK | Azrael_-: isn't php7 in backports? |
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| 21:46.18 | Azrael_- | unfortunately not for jessie |
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| 21:47.48 | Azrael_- | i'd have to go for sid if i wanted to use php7 from backports |
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| 21:48.48 | Devastator | Azrael_- try this: /msg judd checkbackport php7 |
| 21:49.14 | RoyK | Azrael_-: well, setup a vm with ubuntu for it - don't mess around with sid packages in stable |
| 21:49.30 | Devastator | what? ubuntu? really? |
| 21:49.40 | RoyK | Devastator: better than sid |
| 21:49.46 | Devastator | not really |
| 21:49.53 | RoyK | yes, really, very really |
| 21:49.59 | RoyK | and as I said, in a vm |
| 21:50.04 | RoyK | closed compartment |
| 21:50.07 | RoyK | locked down |
| 21:50.08 | Azrael_- | i think about using dotdeb for php7 in jessie |
| 21:50.39 | RoyK | possibly, but perhaps in a vm |
| 21:50.40 | Devastator | Azrael_- as I said, check if php7 is backportable to jessie using the command above |
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| 21:50.51 | Azrael_- | No package named 'php7' was found in sid/amd64 |
| 21:51.00 | Devastator | let me do the dirty work :P |
| 21:51.03 | tw | ,v php7.0 |
| 21:51.04 | judd | Package: php7.0 on amd64 -- sid: 7.0.14-2; stretch: 7.0.16-3; sid: 7.0.16-3 |
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| 21:51.07 | tw | nope |
| 21:51.32 | Azrael_- | sorry for not knowing how to properly operate the bot :) |
| 21:51.55 | RoyK | ,php3 |
| 21:52.00 | RoyK | ,v php3 |
| 21:52.01 | judd | No package named 'php3' was found in amd64. |
| 21:52.06 | RoyK | :( |
| 21:52.08 | RoyK | :D |
| 21:52.20 | tw | I don't know how to operate the bot either, I just kind of guess. |
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| 21:52.26 | Azrael_- | it will be fun upgrading sites from php 5.3 to 7.0 :D |
| 21:52.35 | RoyK | quite so |
| 21:52.39 | RoyK | fun as in interesting |
| 21:53.06 | RoyK | may you live an interesting life... |
| 21:53.11 | Azrael_- | Devastator: do i interpret your statement as in you will try to create a backport of php7.0 for jessie? |
| 21:53.28 | Devastator | Azrael_- yup |
| 21:53.28 | abff | ,v php* |
| 21:53.30 | judd | No package named 'php*' was found in amd64. |
| 21:53.34 | abff | aww |
| 21:53.56 | RoyK | Azrael_-: better stick to dotdeb in a vm for now and wait it out |
| 21:54.19 | Azrael_- | RoyK: i still try to get rid of a squeeze installation :) |
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| 21:54.26 | Devastator | Azrael_- it seems feasible: first backport libtidy-dev, then libzip-dev, then php7.1 |
| 21:54.51 | Azrael_- | ok, i'm just currently setting up the vm. one vm for every php-version |
| 21:54.51 | RoyK | Azrael_-: heh - reinstall the PoS and start over with all the bleeding edge stuff in VMs |
| 21:55.10 | Devastator | !tell Azrael_- about ssb |
| 21:55.12 | Azrael_- | PoS? |
| 21:55.21 | RoyK | piece of shit |
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| 21:56.08 | Devastator | Azrael_- debian has a system where you can backport only the necessary packages to run on stable |
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| 21:56.42 | Azrael_- | Devastator: sounds really nice, gonna try it. hope you will be here when i try it and help me if i run into issues :) |
| 21:57.06 | Azrael_- | RoyK: as soon as i got rid of all the live websites in the vms, then yes, i will reinstall it |
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| 21:57.30 | Devastator | Azrael_- you can probably setup a debian jessie vm to experiment the backport process first |
| 21:57.44 | RoyK | Azrael_-: moving VMs around is usually quite easy ;) |
| 21:58.18 | Devastator | Azrael_- also, php7.1 isn't in debian-backports possibly because there is no maintainer |
| 21:59.03 | Azrael_- | RoyK: depends on the base and how the ips are connected |
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| 22:00.33 | Azrael_- | Devastator: thanks, but currently i don't really care much wether i get 7 or 7.1 running |
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| 22:00.56 | Devastator | Azrael_- yes, I understand |
| 22:01.54 | Devastator | Azrael_- both have the same dependencies: libtidy-dev and libzip-dev |
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| 22:02.35 | Azrael_- | the most important thing why i just LOVE debian: as soon as you got it running you don't need much effort to keep it running for a long time |
| 22:03.38 | Devastator | Azrael_- yes, this thing is pretty stable |
| 22:03.38 | Putonlalla | I wish the same was true of hardware. |
| 22:03.54 | ecksun | what could be the reason for apt showing an older version of a package (samba) than what packages.debian.org shows? |
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| 22:05.06 | Devastator | ecksun did you run apt-get update first? |
| 22:05.09 | ecksun | yes |
| 22:05.10 | ecksun | it seems like I'm not getting the updates from security.debian.org |
| 22:05.22 | Devastator | which release are you running? |
| 22:05.27 | ecksun | stable, jessie |
| 22:05.55 | ecksun | packages.debian.org lists the version I'm seeing as the lastest in stable, but a newer one (..u4) in security |
| 22:05.55 | Devastator | have you checked sources.list to see if you have jessie or stable? |
| 22:06.05 | ecksun | jessie |
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| 22:09.29 | Devastator | odd.. |
| 22:10.42 | ecksun | yes, indeed |
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| 22:10.57 | Devastator | ecksun can you pastebin the output of apt-get update? |
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| 22:11.13 | ecksun | I'm normally using apt, but yes |
| 22:11.54 | ecksun | https://paste.debian.net/925548/ |
| 22:12.26 | ecksun | I'm trying to manually look at the package list, http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie-updates/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz does not list samba, though I'm only guessing thats the correct file |
| 22:12.29 | VentGrey | weird |
| 22:12.48 | ecksun | my sources.list for reference: https://paste.debian.net/925549/ |
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| 22:13.29 | VentGrey | ever tried the httpredir? |
| 22:13.48 | ecksun | I dont know what that is |
| 22:15.01 | Devastator | ecksun can you pastebin your sources.list as well? thanks |
| 22:15.04 | Devastator | opss |
| 22:15.06 | Devastator | :) |
| 22:15.06 | ecksun | :) |
| 22:15.19 | Azrael_- | i think i'll go for dotdeb before using sid-src and compiling the packages myself. like this i have the option to get automatic updates and don't have to always recompile the packages myself for an update |
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| 22:16.38 | Devastator | Azrael_- ok, just for you to know: |
| 22:16.40 | Devastator | !dotdeb |
| 22:16.41 | dpkg | http://dotdeb.org/ is an unofficial package repository with emphasis on the <LAMP> solution stack, unsupported in #debian. To get support, read http://www.dotdeb.org/2012/08/24/how-to-post-useful-bug-reports/ and report any issues to https://github.com/gplessis/dotdeb-php5/issues . Ask me about <dotdeb alternatives>. |
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| 22:17.49 | VentGrey | The httpredir is a special "tweak" for apt that selects the fastest mirror for you based on ping time and other stuff |
| 22:17.54 | VentGrey | pretty handy if you ask me |
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| 22:18.44 | Devastator | Azrael_- you might want to try deb.sury.org |
| 22:18.59 | Azrael_- | !dotdeb alternatives |
| 22:18.59 | dpkg | Software from <dotdeb> historically had a number of packaging or functional issues. If you require newer versions than what <stable> offers, a lot of the packages now have updates in backports.debian.org, ask me about <bdo> or for php possibly <deb.sury.org>; to remove Dotdeb packages: "aptitude purge '~Vdotdeb'". |
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| 22:19.52 | ecksun | VentGrey, ah, right, yeah, I have previously used the swedish university sites (being in sweden), they have plenty of bandwith :P |
| 22:21.12 | VentGrey | xD gotta love 3000kbps downloads |
| 22:21.27 | edi | hi |
| 22:21.44 | edi | i'm having a fkn weird problem, i rent a cloud-vm with debian on it |
| 22:21.50 | edi | it had some problems today |
| 22:21.58 | tdn | Where does the hostname come from in a file like this: /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf:ARRAY /dev/md/0 metadata=1.2 UUID=a719a7a5:93fd065c:171425f3:8950de3d name=syrah:0 If I change hostname of the server, do I need to change this? Or can I even change it without breaking my mdadm raid array? |
| 22:21.59 | edi | and after a reboot, the root passwd aint working no more |
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| 22:22.12 | ecksun | VentGrey, yeah, if I only got 3 MB/s I would start looking at changing my sources.list |
| 22:22.22 | edi | but I'mpositive that I use the right one, as I have it saved with ansible too |
| 22:22.32 | edi | so I could quadripple check it |
| 22:22.44 | ecksun | but, do you guys have any idea why I'm not seeing the latest version of the samba package? |
| 22:22.48 | edi | but it doens't work no more, and as far I can remember I didn't change it |
| 22:22.49 | VentGrey | @ecksun yeah :c my house connection is 4MB/s download |
| 22:22.54 | petn-randall | edi: Take it up with your cloud provider, we can't change the password for you. |
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| 22:23.10 | ecksun | VentGrey, ah, then I guess thats quite alright :) |
| 22:23.14 | edi | petn-randall, I'm just wondering if there could be an explanation for it |
| 22:23.17 | Azrael_- | Devastator: thanks again, really a perfect source for information. sury seems to be even better |
| 22:23.18 | ecksun | hold on, apt and apt-cache shows different results |
| 22:23.22 | petn-randall | edi: Nope |
| 22:23.47 | edi | mmmh oke then |
| 22:24.15 | edi | too bad |
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| 22:25.23 | Devastator | Azrael_- glad we found a useful solution :) |
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| 22:26.06 | ecksun | is it possible to let apt show me why it chooses a particular version of a package? |
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| 22:26.40 | petn-randall | ecksun: 'apt-cache policy <package>' |
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| 22:27.16 | ecksun | aha! I know whats going on, apparently I have a file called /etc/apt/preferences.d/apt-listbugs that pins the version |
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| 22:29.04 | ecksun | would it be safe to just remove that file? |
| 22:29.36 | ecksun | nvm, google to the rescue |
| 22:30.21 | ecksun | thanks everyone for the help, that seems to have been the problem (must have fudged something last time I upgraded) |
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| 22:49.23 | VentGrey | Debian desktop team seems interesting |
| 22:49.44 | VentGrey | Maybe we could get to the point where people stops using ubuntu and uses us so we dominate the world |
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| 22:52.39 | edi | ughl , ubuntu |
| 22:52.40 | edi | :p |
| 22:52.45 | petn-randall | VentGrey: World domination is planned for Christmas. |
| 22:52.57 | petn-randall | VentGrey: We haven't decided which year, though. |
| 22:53.06 | edi | just head today that microsoft bought cannonical or smth |
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| 22:53.20 | edi | don't know the details really |
| 22:53.22 | petn-randall | edi: You mean on April 1st? |
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| 22:53.32 | edi | keep forgetting it's april 1st |
| 22:53.37 | edi | ;-) |
| 22:53.47 | edi | like my root pass |
| 22:53.51 | edi | :P |
| 22:54.13 | edi | can you reset it for me? |
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| 22:58.39 | hassoon | :b |
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