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00:02.55jussssystemd.timer, Can I use OnUnitActiveSec and OnCalendar at the same time?
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00:26.18*** topic/#debian is Debian Stretch frozen 2017-02-05; /msg dpkg stretch freeze | Unwanted private messages? /umode +R | point release 8.7 of Debian Jessie released! /msg dpkg jessie ; /msg dpkg 8.7; /msg dpkg wheezy->jessie ; /msg dpkg install jessie | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | testing/unstable: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) | chanlogs: /msg dpkg irclog
00:26.34SpeakerToMeatsomiaj: you're right, stretch
00:26.52VentGreyooh thanks :D @Epakai
00:27.46somiajSpeakerToMeat: if it depends on a python not in jessie, you most likely won't be able to build a jessie package in a nice way. Is this a python libary you could just install inside your virtual enviorment?
00:28.28SpeakerToMeatsomiaj: nope
00:28.43SpeakerToMeatsomiaj: Why can't I make it use my pyenv python?
00:29.05somiajSpeakerToMeat: packages are installed in the system, so they will need to use the system python which you don't want to change.
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00:30.12SpeakerToMeatsomiaj: Hmm shoving 3.6 on the system manually would be big... I'll try hackign rules though I'm the onyl user who will use this...
00:32.54somiajSpeakerToMeat: you don't really want to change the systemp python, and since you are wanting to make this a package, that gets installed on the system so I don't think you can use your python virtual enviorment
00:33.40somiajyou may just want to wait for stretch to use this software. If it is something that is python only you could just install it inside the virtual enviroment, but don't use the package manager for that
00:33.51somiaj(at least I cannot think of a way to mix system packages with a python virtual enviroment
00:34.27SpeakerToMeathmm
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00:34.57themillSpeakerToMeat: python 3.6 isn't in stretch either
00:35.07themill(meaning there won't be a dependency on it)
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00:35.29SpeakerToMeatthemill: Interesting, yet cmake wants 3.6..... let me see where that's defined.
00:35.34newcodersupertux{p} supertux-data{u} what is {p} and {u} here?
00:35.40SpeakerToMeatthemill: this projects wants it I mean
00:36.30themillwhich package is this?
00:36.46newcoderaptitude purge remove supertux
00:38.00SpeakerToMeatthemill: hugin .... it seems it might have to do with my pyenv, it's using pyversions and seems that's causing the trouble
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00:39.17SpeakerToMeatthemill: Bingo, changed local to system and it's using that version without troubles
00:39.18themillSpeakerToMeat: I can see no relationship between hugin and python
00:39.25SpeakerToMeatthemill: Thanks for your comment.
00:39.38SpeakerToMeatthemill: Eh it's in the build deps so it must be used in the build process somehow
00:39.53somiajso the build can detect the python virtual enviroment but not use it?
00:40.07themillah, I missed dh-python
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00:41.03SpeakerToMeatsomiaj: It seems so, yuppers or at least detect one of the tools provided by the env but not get all the necessary data (include dir, lib dir etc), it seems to be using the FindPythonLibs cmake module
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00:50.04newcoderHow can I remove unnecessary files or tmp files to free some space? Any command?
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00:50.21somiajapt-get clean will remove all the .debs taht were downloaded to install stuff
00:51.57VentGreyapt-get is kinda old
00:52.02VentGreywhy not just apt?
00:53.14somiajnewcoder: as for unecessary files, you can use deborphan to look for unused libaries, but for the most part things stay fairly clean. stuff in $HOME can build up and is independent of the system, you can manually clean some of that up, you can remove unused packages (but make sure you know they aren't being used), and old logs, though those are compressed and usually don't take up much space
00:53.23somiajVentGrey: apt-get works just fine, one could also use apttiude
00:53.40somiajbut mostly apt-get out of reflex, I don't use apt that often due to that
00:54.27VentGreyseems legit
00:54.41LiuYannewcoder: i would like to use 'ncdu' (TUI) or 'mate-disk-usage-analyzer' (GUI).
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01:00.00newcoderWhich font to install to get unicode support in terminals?
01:00.23SpeakerToMeatI use ncdu weekly
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01:01.39somiajyou shouldn't need to install a font, what locale are you using? or what is the output of locales
01:02.04newcoderIs there any unicode font for linux to install?
01:02.10newcoderen_US.UTF-8
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01:02.47newcoderVentGrey: Is apt a replacement of apt-get?
01:03.04VentGreyit is the same
01:03.20VentGreynot like aptitude
01:03.26newcoderThey how/why is apt-get old?
01:03.31newcoderif they are same
01:04.24somiajnewcoder: apt has combined the functionality of apt-get, apt-cache and a few other things called apt. apt-get works just fine, but apt is the more modern replacement. They are both part of the apt package
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02:36.27wolfmitchellIs there a date for when Stretch will be marked as stable? I know it's already frozen, so it may as well be stable, but I was just wondering on when stretch will be moved to stable from testing
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02:37.22awal1wolfmitchell, before the end of 2017 :P
02:37.54wolfmitchellAh, ok. Was wondering since company I'm working for wants selinux and I saw it was available in Stretch, but they also want to stick with stable...
02:38.01wolfmitchellso I'll just tell them to pick one or the other there
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02:39.51awal1wolfmitchell, I was just kidding. no body really knows. but maybe in May
02:39.57wolfmitchellah, ok
02:40.01awal1it's a matter of rc bugs
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02:40.12wolfmitchellwell, looks like I'm just waiting for stretch to get selinux set up
02:41.48awal1wolfmitchell, https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/
02:43.23wolfmitchellhttp://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?archive=no&bug=849382 o.. oh.
02:43.26awal1when "Number concerning the next release"  is 0 or almost 0 Stretch will be released as stable
02:43.32AlexLikeRockGNUs
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05:53.02buuThis is an odd question but I have a deb box with two network cards, A and B; A is connected to the switch but has no IP, B has a static IP but isn't plugged into anything
05:53.11buuHow come I can ping the box as the IP assigned to B
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06:26.34somiajbuu: ping from what the maching that set the static ip? In that case you are just pinging your network card
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06:29.23buusomiaj: from a random other computer on the lan
06:29.38buupc -> switch -> card A -> Card B
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06:32.15somiajyou might have a route set up between those two cards, or they are on the same network.
06:32.35somiajthere is ##networking, I don't know the details there to much
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06:43.24shock_hello.. iptables is not listing any of my rules :/
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07:05.26jellyshock_: where did you put them? What does iptables-save say? Which debian release is this? Is this a VPS container, full VM, or a physical machine (do you have control of the kernel)?
07:05.32jelly!ask
07:05.33dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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07:08.03choiceHello! Is there a command to see which processes used the most cpu time during the last 5 minutes?
07:08.04shock_thanks jelly - I managed to fix it by rebooting as I only used the rule temporarily
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07:15.36jellychoice: not by default, you have to install a tool that enables process accounting and keeps track of it, like atop, or perhaps something from acct or sysstat package
07:16.01choicejelly: Interesting. Isn't top able to do it?
07:16.40choicejelly: I tried "top -b -n 1 -d 30" to get a 30 second snapshot. But it seems always do the first output immediately.
07:18.18jellytop doesn't track processes that get created, do their thing, and die, between sampling intervals
07:18.34jellyor at least it did not use to, maybe it got fixed
07:19.07choiceI see. I don't think I have such processes. It's a typical LAMP server. Linux+Apache+MySql+PHP
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07:20.58choiceWould "top -b -n 2 -d 30" and then throwing away the first output be a solution?
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07:24.01choiceI wonder what the "%CPU" output of "ps" means. During which time was the process using that amount of cpu?
07:24.13jellymaybe.  I don't consider top a reliable instrument tho.
07:25.38choiceOh, I see it in the man page. "CPU time used divided by the time the process has been running"
07:25.45choiceThat's not what I need.
07:27.18jellychoice: apache creates and destroys children process rather often, depending on the chosen worker mode.  php-fpm (or other fastcgi methods) does that as well.
07:28.16jellyI'd recommend using atop, unless you know better
07:28.55choiceI don't like deamons much. I would prefer a script that runs for a while and then exits.
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07:30.06choiceSince the cpu time each process used is available, it should be possible to write such a script.
07:30.26choiceBut I have the feeling top already does that. So maybe top is sufficient.
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07:36.19choiceJesus, irqbalance is eating up 10% of my CPUs and 38% of my memory?
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07:41.58choiceHow can I check which version of irqbalance I am running?
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07:44.01jellydpkg -s packagename, or dpkg -l packagename
07:44.01dpkgThere is no record of a packagename, or dpkg -l packagename package
07:44.08jellydpkg: hush
07:44.08dpkgFine, I'll shut up.
07:44.19nkuttleror program --version or somesuch
07:44.31choiceThanks. 1.0.6-3
07:44.34choiceI wonder why irqbalance is eating up 10% of my CPUs and 38% of my memory.
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07:44.54jellyit's very unlikely irqbalance is eating that much RES
07:45.05jellyunless perhaps you have a 64MB container
07:45.27choiceAccording to top it is. And the net is full of reports that irqbalance has a memory leak.
07:45.31choicecontainer?
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07:45.55choiceLooks lik it's fixed in 1.1.0-2: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/irqbalance/+bug/1247107
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07:46.18choiceBut I have no idea how I would go about updating it.
07:46.19jellychoice: which debian release is this?
07:46.23choicejelly: 8
07:46.28jelly,v irqbalance
07:46.29juddPackage: irqbalance on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.3-3; wheezy-backports: 1.0.6-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.0.6-3; jessie-proposed-updates: 1.0.6-3+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 1.1.0-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.1.0-2.3; sid: 1.1.0-2.3
07:47.05choiceMaybe I shut disable it or periodically restart it?
07:47.11choiceHow do you restart irqbalance?
07:48.39jellychoice: before that, can you pastebin: cat /proc/$(pgrep irqbalance)/status
07:49.23choicejelly: If you guarantee me that there is no privte data in that, yes.
07:49.25jellyuse pidof if you don't have pgrep, or just put its PID in /proc/234324/status
07:49.38jellychoice: look at the output before pasting.
07:50.08choiceWell, it's hard to say if one of those numbers/strings is sensitive.
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07:50.37jellyyou'll just have to trust me, some random person on irc, then
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07:50.48choiceYup, I do.
07:50.59jellyNO WARRANTY
07:51.31choiceHere we go: https://pastebin.com/ZE95QT0J
07:52.07jellyoh that IS a bit leaky
07:52.21jelly700MB RSS
07:52.52choiceWhat is "RSS"? Memory that resides in Ram?
07:53.34jellysomething like that yes
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07:54.03choiceVmSwap: 3282056 kB
07:54.08choiceThat sounds evil too :)
07:54.26choiceHow do I restart that monster?
07:54.37jellyjust like any other service
07:54.50choiceSince Debian 8 I have no clue anymore how to restart stuff.
07:54.59jellyservice irqbalance restart
07:54.59choiceBefore, it was like "apache restart"
07:55.04choiceNow I don't know.
07:55.10choiceok
07:55.50choiceVmRSS:    1744 kB / VmSwap:       0 kB
07:55.57choiceThat looks better
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07:56.07jellycompare the output of "free" command before and after
07:56.28choicetoo late to see what it was before.
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07:57.12choiceNow free looks like this: https://pastebin.com/bNFEWPB5
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07:59.09jellyif you don't know how to manage services, perhaps it'd be good to read about it https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/unix-services.html
08:00.32choiceWell, I just learned it from you :)
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08:00.44jellychoice: why do you have 16GB swap space
08:01.03choiceDo I? I usually set up 10 GB.
08:01.28jellyif that were the case you'd still get "why do you have 10GB"
08:01.38choiceNo idea why I set up 16 on this machine. I probably set up this machine years ago.
08:01.50choiceCan I somehow see when I created the partitions on the machine?
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08:02.21jellyprobably not, tho you can perhaps see creation time of filesystems
08:02.26choiceAnd how big would you make the swap partition?
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08:02.39choiceHow do I see the creation date of the filesystems?
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08:03.36jellyif it's ext3 or ext4 type, dumpe2fs -h /dev/device/node
08:04.13jellyone of the output lines should show something like
08:04.16jellyFilesystem created:       Wed Sep 16 18:47:29 2015
08:04.22choice"device/node"?
08:04.40jellyuse the right device path for that filesystem
08:04.52jellysee "df" or "mount" output
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08:05.34jelly/dev/md3 <-- device node         194177      94289     89652  52% /boot <- mount point
08:06.44choiceStill not sure what you mean.
08:07.06choiceis "device" in your command to be replaced with something?
08:07.14choiceis "node" to be replaced with something?
08:07.18choiceOr just one of them?
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08:09.59choiceWell, I just tried "dumpe2fs -h /dev/theBlockDeviceIuseForRoo" and it says it's 2 years old.
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08:10.23choiceThat's in line with the oldest files I see when looking around in /.
08:10.35choiceSo how big would you make swap?
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08:16.10jellychoice: if this were a laptop and you wanted hibernation to work, then equal to RAM size or so.  If it was a server, not more than 1-2GB
08:16.33choiceIt's a server. How would more swap hurt?
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08:17.23jellyactive swap usage makes processes very slow
08:17.56choiceI never see the machine swap. Why would swapping start earlier if there is more swap space?
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08:18.26jellyif you never see it swap, that just means you don't need that much of it
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08:18.47choiceI have way more free space on the disk, so it does not hurt.
08:19.40jellyit will only hurt in abnormal situations if there's RAM pressure, making them slightly worse
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08:20.08choiceNever encountered those I guess.
08:20.38choiceThe abnormal situations I encountered (100s of thousands of users due to press) resulted in my network being saturated.
08:20.45choiceThe machine itself went on fine.
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08:21.29jellyif you have, say, 1GB swap, and a process starts eating up RAM, it will die much sooner than if kernel has 16GB swap to put memory pages out to
08:21.29choiceIt had super high load... like 30 or so. But it kept answering http requests :)
08:22.08jelly(dying much sooner is a good thing)
08:22.18choiceI see. Well, I will wait until I encounter such situation. And then I will think of what I learned from you.
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08:23.12jellyno, then you will think about solving it, and you'll push the little reset button because it becomes the fastest way to get out of such a situation
08:24.14jellybut perhaps setting up alerts for, say, 25% swap use would be a better idea in the meantime
08:24.25choiceYes. I mean I will think of you as in "This is what jelly meant".
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08:24.41choiceAd I said, I'm not a big fan of deamons.
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08:26.29jellyif you're not, become a fan of monitoring and reporting
08:27.58choiceThanks for all the info! I'm no going for a walk!
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09:14.39mender27Morning everyone! :)
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09:27.59tdnWhat does mdadm use the hostname for? I notice it is part of /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf: "ARRAY /dev/md/0  metadata=1.2 UUID=a719a7a5:93fd065c:171425f3:8950de3d name=syrah:0"     If I change hostname of the server, do I need to change this? Or can I even change it without breaking my mdadm raid array?
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09:45.31Azrael_-hi
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09:48.40Azrael_-i need some help understanding how to work with systemctl. as far as i understand i can enable/disable a service completely with mask/unmask. but if i just use enable/disable it, what exactly is the behaviour?
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09:49.57rudi_sAzrael_-: It places a symlink in /etc/systemd/system to start it on boot. Normally you don't need mask/unmask, however you can still start a non-masked service with systemctl start $service; to prevent that use mask.
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09:51.03Azrael_-so if i just use "disable" the service won't be started during the boot but i can still start it manually?
09:51.36rudi_sAzrael_-: Yes.
09:51.47Azrael_-great, thanks
09:51.50rudi_snp
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09:52.19Azrael_-where is it managed what service is being started at what run-level?
09:54.22rudi_sAzrael_-: Through the symlinks in /etc/systemd/system and subdirectories.
09:54.46rudi_sThere are no run-levels in systemd. It uses targets for different boot stages.
09:55.26somiajAzrael_-: note some services are started with hooks or sockets, disable will not stop these from being started by a hook.
09:55.46Azrael_-thx
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09:59.12somiajAzrael_-: There is also mask and unmask for services, if a service is masked it won't be started by scokets.
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10:18.25olf-folksi would like to report a sucessfull install of debian on an IBM 600X
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10:27.57bodomHi there! I need to partially automate updates for a bunch of apt-based systems. Does anybody knows about some APT API?
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10:31.48dutchfishbodom, well, there already tools for that like puppet. You could also delve in the source, which is on a git https://anonscm.debian.org/git/apt/apt.git
10:32.34dutchfishbodom, there are a bunch of tools relying on this btw, take that in mind.
10:32.49bodomdutchfish: ty
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10:35.02dutchfishbodom, you can as well delve into this source https://packages.debian.org/jessie/puppet
10:35.39dutchfishbodom, no need to reinvent the wheel ;)
10:36.49at0mand mssh, to send commands to multiple machines at once
10:37.13bodomdutchfish: yep, I'm having a look at it to see if it fits my needs
10:38.29bodombut form a first look, it just looks too complicated
10:39.03dutchfishbodom, it aint, doing your own api would be far more complex.
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10:39.53dutchfishs/api/api implementation
10:40.46bodomdutchfish: i meant, it has a too complex architecture. It requires its daemon, config, etc...
10:41.08bodombut ty for your hint anyway: it was worth a look indeed
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10:42.06dutchfishbodom, well, you can roll your own, but i highly recommend to setup a puppet envirenment and test it first.
10:42.15bodomat0m: on the other side, mssh is too simple instead :P
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10:42.41bodomdutchfish: yep, the point is i need something that just works without having to setup anything :)
10:43.16dutchfishbodom, the devil is always in the details ;)
10:46.10dutchfishbodom, puppet at least prevents most of the graving security mistakes you can make with building your own system.
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10:51.21Azrael_-hi
10:53.03Azrael_-i'm using dpkg-reconfigure on a linux-console. i am connected by ssh. currently the borders of the gui are shown as ";10m". can you give me a clue how to configure everything right in order to get the display correct?
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10:56.06bodomdutchfish: it surely does, but it does not fit my needs
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10:56.30bodomso i'll have to live with the risk :)
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10:58.37buuAzrael_-: ;10m is a terminal display code
10:58.52buuuh
10:58.55buuscreencap?
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11:09.49somiaj!alsa checklist
11:09.50dpkg1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again)  2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available)  3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped?  4) speakers on?  5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root?  6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist.  See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
11:09.55Azrael_-buu: http://imgur.com/a/dvEMh
11:09.59olf-folksi have done somethings i found on the internet like alsamixer and adding my self to the audio group
11:11.48buuAzrael_-: that's your termcap or similar
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11:12.31olf-folkssomiaj: i just tried aplay /usr/share/sound/alsa/Noise.wav could not hear anything
11:13.13Azrael_-buu: mind to explain, i'm not really familiar with it
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11:14.39buuAzrael_-: what terminal emulator are you using?
11:14.44Azrael_-securecrt
11:15.15buuoh
11:15.17buuhuh
11:15.35buuAzrael_-: do you see the same issue with putty?
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11:16.30olf-folkssomiaj: i also just checked and i dont have any package with oss4, how to check if pulseaudio daemon is stopped
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11:17.21Azrael_-just installing some other packages, dpkg is locked, so i have to wait until the installation is finished
11:17.27buualso what is $TERM set to?
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11:17.57Azrael_-$TERM is set to "linux". i also already tried "xterm" without any luck
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11:24.51Azrael_-buu: thanks, after switching to xterm and restarting the session it works just fine
11:25.30buuhuh
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11:38.57BallsyDulphinshi. can i kill a process i have disowned without having root user access?
11:39.13BluesKajHiyas all
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11:41.18Eduard_MunteanuBallsyDulphins, as long as it's still running as your user, sure
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11:44.33BallsyDulphinsEduard_Munteanu: hi. im not using linux often. i dont even know if its still running. i tried killall node. and then restarted.. but it seems the port it tries to listen to is stil in use by another process. so.. how can i find out what process listens to port x?
11:44.58abrotmanfuser -n tcp <portnum>
11:45.00Eduard_MunteanuBallsyDulphins, netstat -lp
11:45.26BallsyDulphinsthx
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11:46.50BallsyDulphinsguess i have the process id (via fuser) .. i guess somehow i get can some info about that process using this id
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11:48.21Eduard_MunteanuBallsyDulphins, you can use 'kill' on it
11:48.39BallsyDulphinshow?
11:48.46Eduard_Munteanukill 1234
11:48.50BallsyDulphinscool
11:49.38BallsyDulphinsps still running
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11:50.53BallsyDulphinsany ideas why i cant kill it? (i disowned it and dont have any superuser access)
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11:51.23Eduard_MunteanuBallsyDulphins, kill -9 1234 should kill it for good
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11:51.49abrotmanyou imght want to see what the process is
11:52.04BallsyDulphinsha. i love linux. its so intuitive. -9
11:52.07BallsyDulphins:p
11:52.30BallsyDulphinsits been the node process as presumed.
11:53.07han-solodon't use kill -9, until you run out of all options
11:53.43han-soloor if you don't care :}
11:53.59BallsyDulphinsouch .. that doesnt sound healhy..ps says:  2810 ttyp4    00:00:03 node <defunct>
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11:54.40BallsyDulphinsshould i worry?
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11:55.23abrotmanit might be waiting to die, or now a zombie
11:55.29BallsyDulphinskill --no-regret ID
11:55.49no_gravityStrange, why does "cat a///////b" work if there is a file b in a folder a?
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11:57.22BallsyDulphinsthats superuncool. what i want is to make sure the process is able to be restarted using a batch. dead processes blocking my ports is no option here.
11:58.39Eduard_MunteanuIt shouldn't be listening anymore though.
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11:59.49BallsyDulphinsyou are right! thats at least good news. the port ist free.
11:59.56BallsyDulphinsthx droogs
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12:00.22Eduard_MunteanuAnd if node opens the port with SO_REUSEADDR it should pretty much work as soon as possible.
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12:02.30BallsyDulphinsyes as it goes i am justs trying to get to the point where i can start to work on the real issue
12:03.20Eduard_MunteanuBallsyDulphins, if you need to make a system service out of it, have a look at systemd
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12:05.49avarI've been trying to search for this online, but is there really no pre-made debian non-free installation with the various firmware?
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12:06.05avaror do you either need to have another usb stick with manually added firmware/ stuff, or make your own cd?
12:06.17abrotmandpkg: tell avar about firmware images
12:06.21BallsyDulphinssounds interesting. my basic problem is i have no screen or tmux .. and i need to be able to start some process that wouldnt terminate when closing the terminal. the native options i know of .. are nohup and disown .. both seem quite unhandy for a task that isnt that exotic in first place
12:06.44BallsyDulphinsEduard_Munteanu: would systemd evtl be helpful with this too?
12:07.00abrotmanavar: is that what you were looking for?
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12:07.39avarSorry, forgot to mention that I tried that already (well actually stretch, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/stretch_di_rc2/amd64/iso-cd/) and it doesn't contain e.g. the bc43* firmware I need
12:07.39CrazyManiachttp://imgur.com/m5L2xgp
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12:08.31Eduard_MunteanuBallsyDulphins, if it's something like a service, yes (e.g. backend server). Not so much for random commands you wish to run.
12:08.41CrazyManiacso amazing
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12:08.57abrotmanbcm43* ?
12:09.26CrazyManiac? *34mcb
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12:10.10BallsyDulphinsEduard_Munteanu: yes. when it works as it should, it starts that node service on some random machine, so that i wont hear about it anymore until the world has changed and nobody remembers
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12:13.32BallsyDulphinsby now the admin starts a bash script on reset. i dont know how he has implemented it. but i can edit this script to get my stuff started on server restart. if i can start services with it without being superuser or bugging my admin to do change anything, i will go for it.
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12:13.48abrotmanavar: I see the b43 packages on the ISO
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12:14.51BallsyDulphinsthanks for help .. and chat and all.
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12:15.27avarabrotman: Yeah I just mounted both the stretch one I dl'd earlier and the jessie one you pointed out, both have *b43* packages. Maybe I just screwed something up, but during install it was saying it needed b43 firmware and I should get it from an external source
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12:16.23TomTomTo1i think the actual firmware for b43 is not shipped, just an installer that downloads it from some other place.
12:16.44TomTomTo1which doesn't work if you don't have a connection in the first place...
12:16.57abrotmanavar: No wired install? the b43 has the fwcutter in a number of cases
12:17.13abrotmanyeah, which TomTomTo1 mentioned, you need some existing internet for
12:17.38avarAh, yeah I can bootstrap it with wired, I just thought it had the /actual/ firmware, instead of an installer that needed the network
12:17.55avari.e. that I was doing something wrong
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12:18.17TomTomTo1just terrible copyright that restricts redistribution.
12:18.59abrotmanavar: not your fault (other than buying a system with Broadcom hardware) :)
12:19.10tdnWhat does mdadm use the hostname for? I notice it is part of /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf: "ARRAY /dev/md/0  metadata=1.2 UUID=a719a7a5:93fd065c:171425f3:8950de3d name=syrah:0"     If I change hostname of the server, do I need to change this? Or can I even change it without breaking my mdadm raid array?
12:19.43avarTomTomTo1: I tried it on Ubuntu earlier which Just Worked, although maybe they have some custom contract with broadcom or something..
12:20.10abrotmanavar: They have different "rules" about how they obey or disobey redistribution grants
12:22.41at0mavar: ubuntu distributes "non-free" right on the .iso, debian doesn't since it would render the whole .iso non-free.
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12:23.55avarOh yeah, I get it, I just thought the non-free /firmware/ cd had the actual firmware, not the network requiring firmware installer
12:26.53avarI see though that I can download that firmware installer on my other laptop, and make another usb stick with the firmware ucode in firmware/, supposedly
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12:27.45BluesKajone usually needs an ethernet connection on laptops to DL and install bcm drivers, that's been my experience
12:28.08BluesKajon debian
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12:28.21at0myea, either that or another machine and usb stick
12:28.42abrotmanwishes bcm hardware would die in a fire
12:28.59at0mmumbles something about rpi debian installer
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12:29.29avarYeah I've been installing debian like that for ~15 years, I'm just stubborn and want it to work now, also installing from usb for the first time
12:29.35abrotmanat0m: the one that's supported in the Pi channel?
12:29.35BluesKajabrotman, my lenovo works fine on jessie with bcm , no complaints there
12:29.50at0mabrotman: also, bcm
12:30.13abrotmanBluesKaj: Sure, once you get it installed .. The license terms suck, and Broadcom can burn in hell
12:30.27at0mif not for bcm, rpi would probably install from native debian .iso
12:30.28BluesKajheh
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12:32.05mental_Phhow do you make a channel btw guys
12:32.15at0mmental_Ph: you just /join it
12:32.37mental_Phand to make it persistent
12:32.52at0mmental_Ph: register it with chanserv. /msg chanserv help
12:33.35mental_Phahh thanks man
12:34.15at0mmental_Ph: probably read freenode's guidelines on hosting channels here.
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12:37.13tjt263how can i check where a program came from?
12:37.45tjt263if dpkg -S isnt playing ball
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12:38.56abrotmantjt263: where is theprogram installed?
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12:40.29tjt263/usr/bin/convert
12:41.07avarurgh, so apparently creating a usb stick with ext4 and having a firmware/ directory with the same structure as /lib/firmware with the relevant ucode files doesn't work with d-i, just keeps asking "please insert removable media.."
12:41.32at0mtjt263: imagemagick
12:42.17tjt263i thought it came with imagemagick too but i removed it, and convert remains
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12:42.40Azrael_-i've had the problem of packages not being able to be verified. one guide said, just reinstall apt. after the first step i was doomed. without apt i had to go back to a completely new installation :)
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12:43.01userroapt-cache policy should show where it came from
12:43.03ballessaytj263: here its a symlink to /etc/alternatives/convert
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12:43.20ballessaywhich then links to the imagemagick binary
12:43.40TomTomTo1avar: formating it as FAT and putting the firmware in the root directory is the way to go, I believe. https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/i386/ch06s04.html.en
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12:49.27tjt263but the imagemagick binary should be gone
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12:51.23ballessaytjt263: where does the links point to? ls -l /usr/bin/convert /etc/alternatives/convert
12:51.33tjt263basically, i was having trouble getting convert to work properly
12:51.33tjt263to i thought i would remove imagemagick completely
12:51.33tjt263then reinstall it
12:51.36tjt263ill check
12:52.06tjt263lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 Mar  8 18:59 /etc/alternatives/convert -> /usr/bin/convert-im6.q16
12:52.09tjt263lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25 Mar  8 18:59 /usr/bin/convert -> /etc/alternatives/convert
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12:52.59meta-coderhttps://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/linux ← Why so many known kernel vulnerabilities still in stable/jessie?
12:53.17ballessaytjt263: maybe thats from the package: imagemagick-6.q16?
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12:54.01tjt263oh, i didnt know that was a thing
12:54.06tjt263what even is that
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12:54.32tjt263maybe it has something to do with why it wouldnt work properly
12:54.35ballessayI don't know ;) just saw it after apt-cache search
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12:55.35tjt263thanks, ill give it a go
12:55.54tjt263try installing the regulr one
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12:56.48webuser5224Hello, everyone!
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12:57.50webuser5224I asked in here yesterday about a problem I had with the Debian installation via full disk image. Today I put a minimal installation image on a USB stick and again verified everything.
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12:59.23webuser5224The problem remains the same: it doesn't recognize my network card (intel 82567LM-3) and if I choose the "e1000e" driver in the list and click to continue, it refreshes the graphical environment but doesn't let me go to the next step.
13:01.03webuser5224Should I not be theoretically able to pick any driver from the list it presents me with, even if I do not need or have the corresponding hardware in my system?
13:01.29webuser5224need it*
13:01.42abffI am pretty sure you should be able to finish installation without a network connection.
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13:02.39webuser5224abff, it only lets me continue if I choose that I have no network card installed, but why is it not possible to manually pick a driver?
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13:05.19abffwebuser5224 So you select the correct driver, and then what's stopping you from continuing?
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13:06.05webuser5224I click on "Continue" and it doesn't do anything.
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13:08.03abffI don't know man, did you try pushing enter?
13:08.16webuser5224yeah
13:08.20petn-randallwebuser5224: Are you sure you're using a Debian installer, and not some other distro? I've never heard of it being able to select a driver for a card.
13:08.31BluesKajwebuser5224, if you aren't connected to the internet then the installer can't download the required NIC driver, plain and simple
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13:09.01petn-randallBluesKaj: That sounds a little silly.
13:09.10abffBluesKaj thats awful
13:09.22abffwhy would it show you the driver if it didn't already have it
13:09.27BluesKajpetn-randall, that's been my experience
13:09.33webuser5224petn-randall, I am using the following media: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-8.7.1-amd64-netinst.iso
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13:11.03petn-randallwebuser5224: Is it maybe asking for *firmware*?
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13:11.49BluesKajshrugs, debian could sate at the install start that the machine needs an internet connection like some other OSs do
13:12.48abffI had to dump a bunch of non-free firmware into my installer when I was putting this laptop env together
13:12.51webuser5224BluesKaj, I have an ethernet connection and the port's LEDs are blinking. I can also retrieve the network card via lspci.
13:13.04webuser5224petn-randall, the page in the installer asks for a driver.
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13:17.37BluesKajwebuser5224, are you choosing the ethernet connection in the network connection option,? you have to in order to finish the install and the wifi driver will problty have to DL'd an installed after the installation is finished and rebooted
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13:18.07BluesKajscuse the typos
13:19.30webuser5224BluesKaj, that step doesn't show anything. It searches for the network connections and then just tells me that it couldn't find an ethernet card.
13:20.12BluesKajwebuser5224, uhoh, that's not good
13:21.49c1a551f1edThat would imply that the OS doesnt see any of its included firmware as being the right one. Whats the lspci output for the NIC?
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13:32.05webuser5224c1a551f1ed, what information would be needed? It just outputs a block with information about the ethernet controller.
13:32.36c1a551f1edwebuser5224: No, it outputs a block with information about all PCI-connected devices on the system.
13:32.42c1a551f1edwebuser5224: I just need the line that corresponds to the NIC.
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13:33.34BluesKajmost likely ethernet controller
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13:34.10c1a551f1edwebuser5224: Try this: lspci -nn | grep Ethernet
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13:35.57BluesKajwebuser5224, Don't know if this helps, but  I've never used the full complete dvd installer image, prefer to use the minimal iso the netinstall image provides, and one asumes the ethernet connection will work under those circumstances
13:36.33c1a551f1edBluesKaj: I suspect that the issue is that the PCI ID of his NIC wasn't added to the e1000e driver, which means the kernel would have no idea that the e1000e module is the right one.
13:36.45webuser5224BluesKaj, I tried both, I have them both lying here. lspci returns that it is an intel 82567LM rev 3.
13:36.54c1a551f1edwebuser5224: I didn't ask what it returned, I asked you for the output.
13:37.03c1a551f1edwebuser5224: As in, the ENTIRE output of the command.
13:37.58c1a551f1edwebuser5224: (Meaning the entire line the corresponds to the NIC, rather.)
13:38.20webuser5224"00:19.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation 82567LM Gigabit Network Connection [8086:10f5] (rev 03)"]
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13:40.15dvs,pciid 8086:10f5
13:40.23judd[8086:10f5] is '82567LM Gigabit Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'e1000e', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:10f5
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13:57.21BluesKajwebuser5224, how old or new is this computer?
13:59.13webuser5224BluesKaj, it's from 2008.
14:00.11petn-randallwebuser5224: How did you prepare the USB stick?
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14:01.36dvswaits for the "u" word...
14:03.11BluesKajok same vintage as this HP on which I'm running stretch, webuser5224 ..assuming the NIC is onboard and not a pci
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14:04.52tdnWhat are the proper way of changing hostname on a Debian system? Except from changing the actual hostname what other remnants are there of the  hostname that needs to be changed/updated?
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14:05.21SwedeMiketdn: https://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/ChangeHostname
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14:05.30tdnSwedeMike, thanks
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14:08.37obsedHi
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14:10.10obsedIm helping someone in another channel (##hardware) and they are looking for a cheap laptop (budget=$300) that they can run Debian on. He wants to take it to school, Cafe's etc, just sort of "general usage"
14:10.20obsedAny ideas?  Im looking to see if Lenovo has anything acceptable in that price range
14:10.27webuser5224petn-randall, I downloaded the netinstall image, the checksums and the signature file, imported the corresponding key from the keyserver, checked the signature, compared the checksum of the image with the one in the file, used isosize to show the block count and size for my USB stick, copied everything onto it via dd and then piped dd if=<usbstick> to sha512sum with the checksum file to compare it. Why?
14:10.38obsedHe is happy to buy used
14:12.05BluesKajwebuser5224, interesting , a 2008 vintage machine that bootd from usb...using a plop cd?
14:12.19petn-randallwebuser5224: Because there are several "helper" tools that mangle the image which result in hard to reproduce problems during installation. It was a guess since you're encountering a problem I haven't seen since helping out in this channel.
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14:25.58webuser5224I just tried the USB stick with a system that has the same ethernet card and it worked. Would that indicate that the hardware on the first system might be damaged?
14:26.38BluesKajwebuser5224, seems so
14:27.27BluesKajor the cable or the connectors
14:27.49webuser5224Can lspci still recognize a damaged device?
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14:28.11petn-randallwebuser5224: Assuming it can still talk on the PCI bus, then 'lspci' will still show it.
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14:33.49mebusHi! Can a bridge have an ipv4 and ipv6 ip in /etc/network/interfaces ?
14:33.55mebusit's not working for me :-(
14:34.04mebusor do I have to use post-up ... ?
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14:37.44ibn-batotHello all, after installing kali on vmware, updated, upgraded, i found that the packagae installer does not run. it just gives me "cancel, continue anyway" , after pressing continuous , it went away and nothing starts. what should i do ?
14:38.50zykotick9!kali
14:38.51dpkgKali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>.  It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian.  Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ .  Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
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14:41.06ibn-batotdpkg it is not a security issue i talk about. it is about the package installer. it does not start
14:41.07dpkgibn-batot: what are you talking about?
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14:41.21ibn-batoti cannt start it
14:41.22c1a551f1edibn-batot: Kali is off topic in this channel, end of story.
14:41.30c1a551f1edibn-batot: Please seek assistance in #kali-linux.
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14:42.08ibn-batotdpkg plz look at ur /msg
14:42.08dpkgibn-batot: are you using Windows?
14:42.14c1a551f1edibn-batot: dpkg is a bot.
14:42.24ibn-batotuh uh
14:42.25c1a551f1edibn-batot: Again, Kali is OFF TOPIC in this channel.
14:42.26ibn-batot:(
14:42.36ibn-batotc1a551f1ed hold ur horses man
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14:42.45at0mtoo 1337 for #debian =)
14:42.46c1a551f1edibn-batot: The channel you're looking for is #kali-linux. Please go there.
14:42.53ibn-batoti am there
14:42.56c1a551f1edat0m: Too mangled, you mean.
14:42.59ibn-batotbut they do nto talk at all
14:43.25c1a551f1edibn-batot: That doesn't change the fact that Kali is off-topic here.
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14:43.43c1a551f1edibn-batot: dpkg has listed several resources for you. You will need to seek help there.
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14:45.19ibn-batotc1a551f1ed well, i think i knoww what i need. thanx anyhow
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14:45.49mebusanybody??
14:46.16c1a551f1edmebus: Pastebin the current contents of /etc/network/interfaces. The answer is yes it can.
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14:47.55mebusc1a551f1ed: https://gist.github.com/Mebus/c21afa8647e5760b683c8ecb5329da35
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14:52.17L00P3XHello.. before installing a StableRelase i would also make my 10years old HDD stable by wiping it to 0.. any suggestion on how use g-parted live and format it properly for a debian install?
14:52.39c1a551f1edmebus: Linode, by chance?
14:52.58mebusc1a551f1ed: what?
14:53.25c1a551f1edmebus: Where is that system hosted?
14:54.19mebusc1a551f1ed: does it matter?
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14:54.45q9Hi, when i use resize2fs on my usb3-disk iotop shows writing speed of 800K/s, while the cpu almost idles. What could be limiting the speed? Or is that normal?
14:54.52c1a551f1edmebus: Sure does.
14:55.34BluesKajL00P3X,  a normal format before or during the install is all that's needed
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14:56.44mebusc1a551f1ed: no.
14:56.53L00P3XThank you <BluesKaj> .. something like a blank, long, format should not be a problem or should i use an ext4 one?
14:57.16mebusc1a551f1ed: line 10 is the problem
14:57.23BluesKajan ext4 will work fine , L00P3X
14:57.26mebusc1a551f1ed: doesn't matter where it's hosted :D
14:57.26c1a551f1edc1a551f1ed: Then I'm going to pass on helping you. I know the IPv6 implementations of a few common hosting providers, and some of them have caveats.
14:57.33c1a551f1edmebus: If you figure it out on your own, awesome.
14:58.16mebusc1a551f1ed: I don't understand your problem. br0 is not getting an IPv6 address. I don't think that it matters, where its hosted on a staticly configured IP
14:58.41c1a551f1edmebus: That's your choice to not give me the information I'm asking for to help you with your problem. I'm out.
14:58.45L00P3Xthank you ^^ i'm also new to debian so maybe you know if a lvm works like a password between bios and user? and if a full disk encription means that os like knoppix kann't access the data.. than you
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15:00.09BluesKajL00P3X, sorry ican't help you with that...maybe someone else will respond
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15:01.38L00P3Xthank you. i havent find dettalied post about that over the internet.. i havent understand how it in pratic works or affect the usage of a normal user
15:02.44Amun_RaL00P3X: it doesn't work like that
15:03.00Amun_RaL00P3X: lvm works like virtual partition manager
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15:03.50Amun_RaL00P3X: there's another layer for encrypting, luks
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15:06.39L00P3X<Amun_Ra> i mean a full disk encription using lvm.. how it fisical expose to users.. like a passwords and decription while using? and if something like knoppix kann't access the HDD files
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15:07.21Azrael_-hi
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15:07.30L00P3Xhi ^^
15:07.36code1o6hi
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15:08.08Azrael_-i want to install phpmyadmin on my machine, but i used the sury-sources for installing only php7.0 and i don't want to install php5 again. but phpmyadmin currently has a dependency onto php5 on jessie. any hints/ideas how to avoid this?
15:08.21code1o6!help
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15:11.45Amun_RaL00P3X: that's the output of lsblk on my machine http://dpaste.com//3K7699A not that lvm is on dm-crypt partition
15:11.50code1o6Azrael_-, could you show me your log?
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15:13.03code1o6I'm trying to install steam on debian is it possible?
15:13.05Amun_RaL00P3X: note*
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15:14.12Azrael_-code1o6: what log? if i just run "apt-get install phpmyadmin" it also tries to install the php5-components because of the package-dependencies.
15:16.12L00P3X<Amun_Ra>..it also express hisselfe in password or strange encription procedures for update? i would,shure, encrypt my data but don't know if its someting i should care about.. or if knoppix still have a chance
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15:18.34code1o6Azrael_-, what if you run apt-get install -f?
15:18.55olivetree_Hi guys
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15:20.21olivetree_I have a issue: I am on Debian Testing, and i tried to configure wpa2 Enterprise to work on my university wifi, but it keeps asking for my password. Do you know anything about it? Previously i had Debian Stable (Jessie) and it worked fine, now i can't get in
15:21.14Brigoolivetree_, testing is supported in #debian-next channel in oftc network. Perhaps you will get better support there.
15:21.40Orbstheoremwhy isn't sbt packaged on debian?
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15:21.55abff,v sbt
15:21.56juddNo package named 'sbt' was found in amd64.
15:21.57olivetree_thanks brigo i'll try that
15:21.58BrigoOrbstheorem, sbt?
15:22.03Brigoolivetree_, good luck
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15:22.29olivetree_thanks :)
15:23.34Orbstheoremhttp://www.scala-sbt.org/
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15:24.11OrbstheoremBrigo: ^^
15:24.50BrigoOrbstheorem, i would guess it hasn't be packages because nobody cares.
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15:24.58Orbstheoremolivetree_: what are you using for managing your network? wpa_supplicant? network-manager?
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15:27.08BrigoOrbstheorem, anyway thre is an scala package
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15:27.12Brigo,v scala
15:27.13juddPackage: scala on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.9.2+dfsg-1; jessie: 2.9.2+dfsg-2; stretch: 2.11.8-1; sid: 2.11.8-1
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15:29.11Orbstheoremexactly, there's a scala package, but I find weird that nobody packaged the build systemd with it
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15:30.34L00P3Xso thank you.. i have to leave now..
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15:32.14Brigooberling, systemd?
15:34.07Brigooberling, there is a build system which support scala: libgradle-plugins-java
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15:34.51BluesKajBrigo, you're adressing the wrong nick
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15:36.13BrigoBluesKaj, you are right.
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15:38.43abffhttp://www.scala-sbt.org/0.13/docs/Installing-sbt-on-Linux.html
15:39.03abffThey made it pretty clear that they have a deb package, where to find it, and how to use apt to install it
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15:39.23abffOrbstheorem
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15:44.37Orbstheoremso, I ask myself if there's any specific reason or just the fact there is no maintainer for the package
15:45.31prussianyou can volunteer to maintain it I guess. though you might need a sponser or something.
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15:47.32Azrael_-code1o6: it still expands the packages to php5
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15:56.16fifnirSo my system sometimes shows no signal on the screen untill the debian login screen pops up (but this only ever happens after a full shutdown),
15:56.29fifnirI tried the "nomodeset" kernel param but it doesnt seem to work
15:56.38fifnirany thoughts on what else might be causing this ?
15:57.17fifnirconnecting a second hard drive to the motherboard seems to "aggrevate" the situation, I think if I only have the drive with the debian on, it never happens
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15:58.55BluesKajfifnir, make sure the debian drive is first in the boot sequence
15:58.55code1o6guys do I have libGL.so.1 in 32bit? https://pastebin.com/fr799APn It seems I only have this mesa i386 but no nvidia. Help please
15:59.31BluesKajfifnir, in the BIOS or UEFI
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15:59.55fifnirIt;s UEFI
16:00.00fifnirand i suspect something's wrong
16:00.03fifnirwith that
16:00.07fifnirbut i have no idea where to start
16:00.27fifnirhow do I check what drive goes first in the boot seq ?
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16:02.47BluesKajopen the UEFI  fifnir , when booting you see the manufacturers logo then you should see a F key to press to enter the UEFI , then use the arrow keys to navigate in UEFI/BIOS
16:03.26fifniroh right
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16:03.58fifnirhm, that shouldnt be any problem, it was the first thing i checked
16:04.08fifnirlet's have another look
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16:10.36fifnirI don't get UEFI signal until the login screen after complete shut downs (works fine after restarts). nomodeset didn't help, debian disk is 1st to boot, any thoughts?
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16:17.08alphanethello, I observed that Debian jessie does not auto-start a web client when a wifi connection is made to a captive network (which redirects everything to a login page, e.g.): is it possible to enable this behaviour ?
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16:17.49alphanet(if not, with recent security policies on HTTPS servers preventing HTTP from being used, it is getting difficult to type www.google.com in the browser and expect the captive login page to be displayed instead)
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16:21.34petn-randallalphanet: Debian doesn't support such a thing, no. It's not even standardized, so there's no sane way to detect this (no idea how android does this).
16:21.51xandthere are a variety of pseudo-standards for that
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16:22.02xandsome test URLs that android and iso/macos use
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16:22.39alphanetok, so now it gets a user problem: do not type www.google.com in your browser IF connecting to a captive network, but www.whatever.com which does not have a HSTS configuration
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16:24.40alphanet(http://www.debian.org CANNOT be used either, because it REDIRECTS to debian.org and has as HSTS config: "Strict-Transport-Security: max-age=15552000")
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16:24.55xandalphanet: http://clients3.google.com/generate_204 is the URL android uses
16:25.06alphanetxand: yes, I remember that.
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16:25.20alphanetxand: I do operate a captive WiFi network
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16:25.43alphanetxand: working perfectly with Android, iOs; recent Debian/Firefox fail because of HSTS
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16:25.58alphanetxand: unless you type explicitely a HTTP url which has no HSTS
16:26.06alphanetxand: I used ptiturl.ch
16:26.25petn-randallshrugs.
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16:27.03petn-randallalphanet: Manipulating DNS queries or redirecting HTTP is evil, so if you break something you get to keep the pieces.
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16:27.41alphanetpetn-randall: yes, it is particularly evil; this is why I also offer a WPA/RADIUS auth; however most people travelling through the worlds get faced to those `public' captive login networks.
16:28.01xandsee also DNSSEC
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16:30.00alphanetxand: yes, that's right, it would also fail with DNSSEC, however most clients have this disabled by default.
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16:30.59alphanetI was more thinking to document this in the Debian user manual.
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16:52.18jhutchinsalphanet: You do realize you're an edge case, and thousands of people use Debian without any of these problems.
16:53.03alphanetjhutchins: I am afraid that any Debian user using a captive WiFi network portal with a recent Firefox will get this problem, no?
16:53.42alphanetjhutchins: so it does not look so edgy to me.
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16:54.00jhutchinsGenerally that auto-triggering of the browser to log in is a very non-standard mechanism, and ofte does not work, even in professionally built commercial situations.
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16:54.12abcdefywhat is a captice wifi network?
16:54.24jhutchinsIt mostly works in Windows frankly because Windows is insecure and can be manipulated by the network hardware.
16:54.42jhutchinsabcdefy: One that forces you to log in on a web page in this case.
16:54.43alphanetI am just asking for documentation, not automatic resolving.
16:55.06alphanetmost wifi from hotels, airports, etc
16:55.23alphanetremember HSTS might not be used by the firefox from jessie
16:55.28jhutchinsalphanet: If you launch a browser, and the network is not set up too badly, you should get the login page.
16:55.43prussianuh. I'm sure someone wrote some GNOME extension that will open firefox or whatever when on-connect you get a captive portal
16:55.45alphanetjhutchins: no, you do not, you get a security warning
16:56.00alphanetjhutchins: which in recent firefox means you can't login
16:56.11alphanetjhutchins: because of HSTS persistent config
16:56.20jhutchinsalphanet: That would be a firefox issue then, contact Mozilla.
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16:57.07alphanetjhutchins: anyway, I was asking for documentation in the user manual, not a fix.
16:57.18alphanetjhutchins: I posted to debian-user.
16:57.48jhutchinsalphanet: I wouldn't expect a "feature" of firefox to be documented in the Debian manual, it would be in the Mozilla documentation.
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16:59.06jhutchinsalphanet: It would be a very good idea to bring it to their attention, as they might want to change how firefox handles that situation.
16:59.09alphanetjhutchins: "If you connect to a captive network, be aware that Debian does not support this and you need to manually go to a HTTP URL in your browser or consult your browser's documentation to see if it supports auto-redirecting"
16:59.13jhutchinsalphanet: That's how problems get fixed.
16:59.27jhutchinsalphanet: It's not Debian, it's Mozilla Firefox.
16:59.31alphanetjhutchins: okay :)
16:59.57alphanetjhutchins: my last report to Mozilla took one year to be considered, 6 more monthes to be considered, and it is still not fixed
16:59.59jhutchinsalphanet: Now if you could reproduce it with ALL of the many web browsers available on Debian, you might have a case.
17:00.13alphanetjhutchins: ALL of the browsers supporting HSTS will fail.
17:00.20alphanetjhutchins: anyway, thank you for your advice.
17:00.31jhutchinsalphanet: My average time-to-fix on RH bugreports is about two years.
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17:00.52jhutchinsalphanet: There are bugs in firefox that I reported back when it was Mosaic.  (History routines.)
17:01.03alphanetanyway, it is now documented on debian-user.
17:01.32jhutchinsalphanet: If your wording is as above you shoudl change it unless you confirm it with the other browsers. All of them.
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17:02.49alphanetjhutchins: I would guess most of the others Web browsers available as free software on Debian do not support HSTS yet.
17:03.01alphanetjhutchins: so I will wait until others report the same issue.
17:03.05jhutchinsalphanet: Don't guess, investigate.
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17:10.10dutchfishhi, how to use POSIX extended atribs in a cgit, where the .git repos reside in /home/git/ on a Debian server? Any hint/link/wiki welcome.
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17:21.58Azrael_-i added the sury-repositories to install php7.0 on jessie. but if i want to install phpmyadmin it still wants to install php5-dependencies. i can still install it by using dpkg --force-all -i phpmyadmin-package.deb but after this apt always throws error-messages because of the missing dependencies. any hints how i could solve this?
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17:28.14prussiandoes sury have phpmyadmin?
17:28.24prussianyou can try and directly speficy what repo to install from
17:28.30Azrael_-unfortunatly not
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17:28.52Azrael_-there is already a bug filed for the ubuntu-repos
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17:30.13prussianya idk if you can do anything about that unless you add a phpmyadmin repo that provides php7 deps
17:30.52Azrael_-and that's what i hoped you could give me a hint to
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17:41.19hicks_anyone with a wacom upgraded to stretch and found it's now showing up as a joystick in kde settings, so there's no config options for the buttons etc anymore?
17:42.17hicks_bah wrong channel sorry,ignore that question :)
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17:42.29prussiani don't know Azrael_- the official phpmyadmin site indicates there is a docker image though. you could just do that
17:42.41prussianprivileged docker container =/
17:43.06prussianwould probably be the easiet way without completely polluting your system
17:43.09Azrael_-never used docker yet
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17:43.29prussianwell give it a shot.
17:44.02prussianotherwise you can try and install it form source
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17:59.00u0_a215test
18:00.15u0_a215Could anyone please write something here I'm testing weechat termux client
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18:02.32prussianuh sure
18:02.37prussianhi u0_a215
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18:08.53avarTomTomTosch: FWIW I couldn't get any combo of https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/i386/ch06s04.html.en instructions to work. Even if it's a fat32 partition it won't get mounted. Just manually mounted the usb stick in that installation step and copied the relevant stuff to /lib/firmware, worked
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18:14.21jhutchinsAzrael_-: How many times have you see someone told "if you use third party repos, you break dependencies" in here?
18:15.38jhutchinsAzrael_-: You can install phpmyadmin from their own packages - it's a collection of php scripts that you can just copy to a diretory. You may have to do a few more config steps, like create a sites-available/-enabled file to tell apache where it is, but it runs just fine that way.
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18:17.41Walakeais there a safe way to reinstall libgl1-mesa-dev from jessie-backports back to jessie?
18:17.58jhutchinsavar: Good for you for solving the problem.
18:18.14Azrael_-jhutchins: i know isn't nice, but this time i unfortunately need php7 and don't want to go to testing
18:18.24Azrael_-*it isn't nice
18:18.24jhutchinsWalakea: Same way to install any package, if it's available.
18:18.37jhutchins,v libgl1-mesa-dev
18:18.38juddPackage: libgl1-mesa-dev on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; wheezy: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; jessie: 10.3.2-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 13.0.5-1~bpo8+1; sid: 13.0.6-1; stretch: 13.0.6-1; experimental: 17.0.2-1
18:18.56avarjhutchins: Looks like someone filed a bug for it back in jessie: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=834267
18:18.57juddBug http://bugs.debian.org/834267 in debian-installer (open): «debian-installer: d-i can't find firmware on the second usb stick (jessie)»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-08-13; last modified: 2016-08-13.
18:18.59jhutchinsAzrael_-: I understand, which is why I offered you a solution.
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18:19.02avari.e. 2x usb sticks..
18:19.14Azrael_-jhutchins: thanks, will probably do
18:19.18Walakeaif i just apt-get install jessie version won't it break my system?
18:19.42jhutchinsWalakea: Yes, backports are meant to be installed on the same-name release.
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18:20.27Walakeaif i am corrent ...-mesa-dev is not used in any actual rendering, just for development?
18:20.42jhutchinsWalakea: Installing from backports _only_ installs the requested package and necessary dependencies, not everything in backports.
18:21.10jhutchinsWalakea: -dev packages are usually the headers so linked packages can be compiled against them.
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18:22.05jhutchinsWalakea: You will want to have the matching libgl1-mesa package from backports.
18:22.47Walakeai don't understand
18:23.13jhutchinsWalakea: you want your -dev package to match the version that is installed.
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18:23.32Walakeamy issue is that i want to use graphics libraries (OpenGl, OpenSceneGraph), but for some reason i have the backported version of mesa-dev
18:23.36jhutchinsWalakea: I'm not sure there is a dependency link, but it would be silly to compile something against a version you don't hvae.
18:23.58Walakeaso i cannot install those libraries
18:24.01jhutchinsWalakea: Ok, then you are correct, you want the backports version of the -dev so it matches.
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18:24.15jhutchinsWalakea: Can you install them from backports?
18:24.19Walakeaor i want to revert backported mesa
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18:25.02Walakeano, they are jessie / strecth only
18:25.46jhutchinsWalakea: You can remove the backport package with dpkg, then request a normal install without specifying backports and it should install the release version.
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18:27.15Walakeaor can i actually remove backported mesa-dev (via apt) without breaking my display manager? i would prefer it this way
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18:33.19jhutchinsWalakea: I don't know if your DM needs that function or exactly what it addresses, but I would do as I suggested.  Remove it with dpkg, not one of the apt programs that will try to resolve and remove dependencies.  If you have other bits that came from backports with it, you may have to manually install them.  Then go ahead and re-install it with an apt tool so that dependencies are checked and you shoul
18:33.25jhutchinsd be fine.
18:33.31jhutchinsWalakea: Why did you install it from backports in the first place?
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18:35.05Walakeai am quite a new user
18:35.18Walakeai was at time when i did it
18:35.35jhutchinsWalakea: Don't believe everything you read oin IRC <grin>.
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18:45.43nmschulteI have a special build (compilation) of Dunst in my ~/.local directory -- how can I get systemd's `systemd --user` to use a per-user PATH extension, so that when it runs Dunst, it uses the one in my $HOME/.local?
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18:46.14nmschulteDoh -- https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd/User#PATH
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18:47.24luxioShould I be concerned about systemd?
18:47.33prussianwhat?
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18:50.20petn-randallluxio: In what sense?
18:50.47nmschulteyou should be aware of systemd, I'd say.
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18:54.31ryoumai don't use samba, so i figured i could remove libsmbclient.  so i tried purging it, but "9)      vlc recommends vlc-plugin-samba (= 2.2.4-1~deb8u1)".  there was no option for "remove it anyway because it is only a recommends".
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18:56.55Walakeajhutchins: somehow i went the dependency path, i am currently at libdrm2, trying to reinstall it wants to remove all graphical packages
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18:59.14ryoumaso my question is, is it normal to give aptitude a force argument for cases like that?
19:00.19petn-randallryouma: You can remove any package that is *only* recommended on, so I think you're misinterpreting some information.
19:00.30petn-randallryouma: If in doubt, show us all debugging info:
19:00.31petn-randall!bat
19:00.31dpkgIn order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy".  Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information.  Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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19:01.24ryoumapetn-randall: interesting.  let me see if i can get those.
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19:02.40treeror346i need libpng12
19:03.51petn-randall,v libpng12
19:03.52juddNo package named 'libpng12' was found in amd64.
19:04.01treeror346jap
19:04.08treeror346need it fast
19:04.08petn-randalltreeror346: It doesn't exist in Debian. Tell us about your problem, not what you think the solution is.
19:04.29centrxlibpng12-0
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19:04.33centrx,v libpng12-0
19:04.34juddPackage: libpng12-0 on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.2.49-1+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 1.2.49-1+deb7u2; jessie-security: 1.2.50-2+deb8u2; jessie: 1.2.50-2+deb8u3
19:04.40treeror346i have a programm that needs libpng12
19:04.48petn-randalltreeror346: which one?
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19:05.07treeror346libpng12.so.0
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19:05.27petn-randalltreeror346: That's the library, not the program.
19:05.28jellytreeror346: which program?
19:05.49treeror346pioneer
19:06.30treeror346there is no debian package for that, i also created a issue on github
19:06.37jellytreeror346: pastebin the output of "ldd /path/to/pioneer" and "dpkg -S /path/to/pioneer".  Which debian release do you have installed?
19:06.52treeror346testing
19:06.57ryoumapetn-randall: ok, here is the result (but sprunge not p.d.n, let me know if htat is an issue): http://sprunge.us/TPNb
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19:08.55treeror346https://paste.debian.net/925626/  ldd paste,  dpkg -S ./pioneer dpkg-query: Kein Pfad gefunden, der auf Muster *./pioneer* passt
19:09.39Walakeacan i safely downgrade libdrm2 from jessie-backports to jessie without having to reinstall all the graphical packages?
19:10.32teraflopstry it and see
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19:12.14Azrael_-currently i'm using rsnapshot for doing backups from multiple vms, but now it seems like the number of files is getting too big, so even creating a link-copy of a current backup takes quite long. if i switched to bacula, could i lighten the impact onto the disks?
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19:12.33petn-randallryouma: vlc-plugin-samba depends on libsmbclient, and vlc recommends the former. So you'd have to remove vlc-plugin-samba. Probably the same for the other packages.
19:12.52petn-randallryouma: Note that it is only a lib to support SMB in some form, it doesn't make you automatically use it.
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19:13.18petn-randallryouma: So I'd just let it be, it's not that much disk space you'll save removing it.
19:13.24petn-randall(gotta go, cya)
19:13.42ryoumapetn-randall: thanks
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19:37.59Walakeahow do i install package from debian repositories via dpkg?
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19:39.10dpkgtreeror346: I wish you would RTFM.
19:39.32treeror346i just wanted to play that game
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19:43.08cokeWalakea: apt
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19:47.11d3xterhey guys, i'm using matchbox-window-manager + matchbox-keyboard in an infoscreen. it works fine, but i've encountered a problem that password-fields inside firefox doesn't pop-up the virtual keyboard. any hints on how to solve this?
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19:55.38jhutchinsI've noticed before that imap for outbound mail is not a well-known feature.  Can't seem to get my wife's Galaxy S5 to handle it, my Droid Turbo 2 lets me tell it SMTP is on 143 and figures it out.
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19:56.31jhutchinsd3xter: Come up with a way to launch it manually?
19:56.54jhutchinsmatchbox and infoscreen are not familiar terms.
19:57.34jhutchinsd3xter: I don't know what kind of support that project offers, but they would probably be better able to help.
19:57.37jhutchins!matchbox
19:57.38dpkgmatchbox is, like, a open-source base environment for the X Window System running on non-desktop embedded platforms.  http://matchbox-project.org/  #matchbox on irc.freenode.net.
19:58.12jhutchinsd3xter: They have a channel.  I'll bet it's pretty slow and client, mailing lists and forums would be more help.
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20:00.15d3xterjhutchins: thanks, will give it a try
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20:06.44petn-randallWalakea: You don't. That's what apt-get is for.
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20:11.18jhutchinsWalakea: I think the approach of removing it with dpkg and re-installing with apt* is most likley to be less painful.
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20:15.50esetcould someone look at this -> https://hastebin.com/zutegibiye.coffeescript I have problem with iOS device connection to L2TP/IPSec server on Debian.
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20:19.03Walakeaso i was able to fix my situation using some dirty tricks
20:19.42Walakeai manually downloaded .deb packages together with their dependencies and dpkg --installed them
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20:20.04jhutchinsWalakea: There's no real need for that.
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20:25.20Walakeawhat do you think about using ext4 filesystem on a backup USB drive?
20:25.51Walakeai think it won't be able to use it on Windows
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20:27.27esetSomeone maybe took a look on my question? https://hastebin.com/zutegibiye.coffeescript
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20:29.54jhutchinsWalakea: There are ext drivers for Windows, and I think they're even free, but it's certainly not a native format.
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20:31.20jhutchinseset: You're trying to connect an apple product to a VPN?
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20:32.53jhutchinseset: "Unable to open password file" looks pretty straightforward to me.
20:33.50mender27Evening everyone :).
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20:34.54esetjhutchins: trying to connect like this: iPad -> VPN Server on Debian L2TP/IPsec
20:35.19esetjhutchins: for me also but I don't know why it looks for password file in that location
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20:36.47jhutchinseset: Where do you expect it to look?
20:37.29eset<PROTECTED>
20:37.40esetthere are users and their password stored
20:37.52esetin /etc/ipsec.secret is pre-shared-key
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20:37.56jhutchinsYou have not told your software that.
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20:38.05esetit works on Macbook, Android, Windows
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20:38.27esetonly iOS is complaining
20:38.36jhutchinseset: Perhaps the mac is using a different protocol that is trying to find a password under ipsec.
20:38.58jhutchinseset: Look at the documentation for your server.
20:39.15esetjhutchins: That, I figure it out :)  I know there is and issue with this configuration. But can't find it.
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20:40.24jhutchinseset: Also figure out what protocol the iOS thing is defaulting to, and whether you can change it.
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20:41.50jhutchinseset: You could try a symlink.
20:42.23esetjhutchins: I think it's not stupid idea after all :)
20:42.32esetOk I will try it
20:43.05esetbut first I need find any ios emulator or virtual machine or thing like that because person who had problem with ipad vpn connection is gone now.
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20:44.08SanchoPensahey guys!
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20:44.22SanchoPensado you know of any tablets, that run with debian?
20:44.32SanchoPensaor any linux but android?
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20:45.57Azrael_-SanchoPensa: there are some distributors who provide hardware which is certified to work properly with linux
20:46.37cokeand there is a touch interface worth using?
20:46.48SanchoPensaAzrael_-: does that include tablets?
20:47.41jhutchinsSanchoPensa: We have heard of people doing that.  We hvae also heard of people _almost_ doing it and having a lot of trouble.
20:47.44SanchoPensatechnically speaking, everything, that operates android should hypothetically run any linux, right? :D
20:48.01jhutchinsSanchoPensa: There is a debian touch project.
20:48.10jhutchins!touch
20:48.10dpkgtouch is, like, a cool command used to create an empty file or used to change file timestamps on existing files.  For additional info, man touch.
20:48.20jhutchins!touchscreen
20:48.25SanchoPensajhutchins: me too, that's the problem... I am just looking for something, that is possibly not a spyware bug...
20:48.56jhutchins!debbian touch
20:49.05jhutchins!debian touch
20:49.17jhutchinsI killed dpkg...
20:50.01Azrael_-SanchoPensa: for example: BQ Aquaris M10
20:50.08cokemade it dpkg touch itself
20:50.21coke-it
20:50.26SanchoPensajhutchins: is that something to congratulate you for....? *g*
20:51.00SanchoPensaAzrael_-: interesting, never heard... @ duckduckgo, sec, pls
20:52.05SanchoPensaAzrael_-: how did you find that?
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20:53.06SanchoPensajhutchins: dpkg does actually answer me in a /msg
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20:54.08jhutchinsYeah, he seems not to respond if you feed him too many unknows.
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20:55.14SanchoPensawoha! http://www.pcmag.com/news/343256/first-ubuntu-tablet-goes-on-sale
20:55.27SanchoPensajhutchins: troll-protection, possibly...
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20:55.44missmboband it was shit and promptly pulled from market
20:56.03SpaceAcewhat'd be the best way to send raw data to an IP from shell?
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20:56.26SpaceAcegot a zpl printer listening on 9100, and i have zpl data in a text file
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20:57.42SanchoPensamissmbob: lol
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20:58.30SanchoPensaother than that, ubuntu nowadays calls home more ofthen thatn adroid does, if you ask me... but that's slightly offtopic now...
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20:59.09missmbobif you dont need x gnu root is pretty great to run debian on android. doesnt even require root (dumb name)
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21:05.13SanchoPensait is actually for my kid, so too much tech effort isn't all too helpful, and nope running linux in a sanbox on an android totally defeats the purpose...
21:05.38SpaceAceFor those curious as to my solution, thanks to dysfigured in ##linux
21:05.39SpaceAce<SpaceAce> cat sendthisdataover.txt | nc 192.168.1.101 9100
21:05.39SpaceAce<dysfigured> uuoc
21:05.40SpaceAce<dysfigured> has the same effect as  nc 192.168.1.101 9100 < sendthisdataover.txt  no idea if that works tho. did you at least try it?
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21:05.48SpaceAcestrict as heck
21:05.50SpaceAcebut yeah
21:05.52SpaceAcesorted. thanks guys
21:06.25SanchoPensai think, i willl just get him a thinkpad. no touchscreen.
21:06.40SanchoPensathanks alot for your help, guys!
21:06.41dysfiguredo.O
21:06.48SanchoPensaas always appreciate it!
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21:08.04fred1807how do I get a list all packages I have installed, displayed in one single line? (easy to copy and paste into another terminal: apt-get install, command)
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21:16.57mender27Would anyone be interested in helping in test and packaging a GitHub game project for Debian? :)
21:17.33fred1807github game project for debian only?
21:17.57mender27For Debian and Ubuntu, there is a package in Stretch/Testing called unknown-horizons.
21:18.22mender27That's from our 2017 January milestone.
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21:20.48fred1807Ok, it is a game with its git repo published in github or is it a game somehow based on the github website?
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21:22.16mender27fred1807, it's a game with a repository on GitHub. Sorry for not being clear :).
21:22.39fred1807ok, can I installed this game on my computer running arch linux?
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21:25.16Iridosbooo, arch
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21:29.31mender27fred1807, this I don't know, but one can run it straight from the git repository once all of the dependencies are satisfied.
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21:30.01fred1807mender27: Nice, what is the url ?
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21:32.21Schwarzbaer__Hi. I installed Jessie on a notebook (Dell Latitude E5510) a few days ago. It does not go to sleep when I shut the lid, nor do I find anything related to it in Gnome's power settings. I tried uncommenting the relevant options in logind.conf and logged out and in; no change. How should I proceed?
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21:37.02mender27fred1807, https://github.com/unknown-horizons/unknown-horizons
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21:37.20awal1Schwarzbaer__, I think there is something related to that in gnome-tweak-tool
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21:38.16fred1807mender27: Nice and I see there are build instructions for windows and osx as well. Se really not a Debian game.  Looks like a nice game.
21:38.57fred1807mender27: I really dig it
21:39.01mender27fred1807, well, it's cross-platform,but it's tested mostly on Debian and Ubuntu. We test the build on Travis CI, which uses Ubuntu.
21:39.07mender27fred1807, hehe, that's cool :).
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21:39.48rysiek|plhmmm
21:39.54rysiek|plmender27, fred1807: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/unknown-horizons
21:40.02rysiek|plUH is in the debian repos
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21:40.24mender27I know
21:40.37mender27That's the Python2 version from the 2017.1 milestone.
21:40.44rysiek|plaaah
21:40.45rysiek|plok
21:40.45mender27We're working on a Python3 version now.
21:40.53rysiek|plread more of the backlog
21:40.57rysiek|plniiice
21:41.08mender27As in, if it's in Testing/Stretch it should be fairly stable.
21:41.20rysiek|plplayed UH a bit some months ago, it was fun
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21:41.34mender27The Python3 version is largely stable, but there are quite some glitches.
21:41.34rysiek|plalthough it used to become sluggish at times
21:41.40rysiek|playe
21:41.45mender27Yeah, there was a known memory leak.
21:42.00rysiek|plmender27: thanks for the porting effort. not nearly enough projects make the python3 move
21:42.06mender27It should be cleaner in the 2017.1 version.
21:42.25mender27rysiek|pl, hehe, I know. Unfortunately, there is not enough of me to cover all of them :P.
21:42.34rysiek|plhaha :)
21:42.48rysiek|plwill play UH again, then
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21:43.01rysiek|plalthough 0 a.d. also looks better and better
21:43.31mender27rysiek|pl, Nice! To be perfectly fair, though. The Python3 refactoring effort is the work of the whole team :).
21:43.53rysiek|plmender27: well I appreciate it no less anyway!
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21:44.50Schwarzbaer__awal1, in gnome-tweak-tool's Power tab, there's a menu entry "Power Button Activity", set to "Suspend", and a line "When Laptop Lid is Closed", with no menu; and apparently no effect, either.
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21:47.46awal1Schwarzbaer__, I don't have gnome, so no much clue. but yeah, I have seen that stupid line "When Laptop Lid is Closed" with no menu, a confusing option
21:48.21awal1I was refering to that line when I suggested you tweak-tool
21:48.35mender27rysiek|pl, if you feel daring, you could field-test Unknown Horizons a bit and post your feedback on GitHub.
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21:49.11rysiek|plI might at some point this week :)
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21:59.24mender27Goodnight everyone! :)
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22:04.58linuxthefishhow much space do all the debian jessie packages need? like if i was to download all the main without source?
22:04.58zykotick9linuxthefish: why would you do that?
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22:04.58nkuttlerlinuxthefish: you can't anyway
22:04.58linuxthefishzykotick9, just curious the total space for all packages
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22:05.26linuxthefishah https://www.debian.org/mirror/size gives a rough idea
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22:06.31buuso is the minimum mirror you need all + amd64 = 298gb?
22:07.16nkuttlerthat page says nothing about which releases are included
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22:08.09buuI guess my question is more.. what's the difference between all and amd64?
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22:08.51nkuttlersounds like arch-independent stuff
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22:12.40buuyeah but what could possibly run on both arm and powerpc?
22:12.49c1a551f1edbuu: Scripts.
22:12.51buuI guess like, non-binary stuff
22:12.55buuBut 120gb of them?
22:13.01jimis there a driver for a rtl8188us chip nic card connected by usb?
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22:14.44nkuttlerbuu: scripts, data packages, documentation, ..
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22:18.52mender27jim, it should be within the kernel
22:19.40mender27jim, as in, it's built as a module, but it's distributed together with the mainline debian kernel. You need firmware-realtek for the firmware, though.
22:19.41twIs there a way to auto-reconnect cifs mounts after hibernation? Example, 1. I mount a remote cifs filesystem mounted at /cifs1, 2. I create a shell session and cd to /cifs1/dir1, 3. systemctl hibernate & wait 10+ minutes, 4. resume from disk, 5. in the shell session "ls: cannot open directory '.': Host is down"
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22:21.00mender27buu, nkuttler, yes "-all" means architecture-independent packages :)
22:21.11mender27See you o/
22:22.54jimmender27, do you know what the module is called?
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22:36.35OERIASanyone here tried to install Unity in Debian>
22:36.38OERIAS?
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22:38.21zykotick9OERIAS: if you want Unity, i'd suggest using ubuntu...  <- if your choice of OS is NOT DE related, then debian might be the better choice ;)
22:40.11OERIASzykotick9, my issue is that I want Unity
22:40.18OERIASbut not having to use Ubuntu
22:40.26OERIASusing Debian instead
22:40.29missmbobyou're out of luck
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