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| 00:12.58 | introom | what's the packaing policy on how long a package at least should stay in the repo? |
| 00:13.13 | introom | fish2.5 has been out for several month, but the latest is still fish2.4 in sid. |
| 00:14.55 | missmbob | dont expect much during full freeze. priorities change |
| 00:15.45 | introom | missmbob: freeze? on testing? |
| 00:15.58 | missmbob | yes |
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| 01:26.52 | Schwarzbaer_ | ThomasJ, that spare computer with PCI-e slot is a Pentium dual core, 2GHz, 1GB RAM. Any idea how I figure out from the command line what kind of slot that RAM sits in? |
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| 01:27.33 | Papillon | what kind of slot? |
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| 01:27.49 | Papillon | like what kind of ddr? ddr1 ddr2? |
| 01:27.55 | toruvinn | Schwarzbaer_, dmitool? |
| 01:28.05 | toruvinn | er, dmidecode. |
| 01:28.46 | Schwarzbaer_ | ... Oops, wrong channel. Still, thanks. |
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| 01:47.40 | baribal | Hi. I've just installed Jessie on an old machine, and now I'd like to rebuild the graphics interface; starting with using notion as WM, probably Dunst as notification daemon, then I'll need a display manager, I guess something greeter-like for the lock screen... Where can I read up on where to start, what I need, and how to do it? |
| 01:48.51 | gry | what did you install? did you install the base only, or did you also install a desktop? |
| 01:48.53 | Papillon | choose a wm you like, apt install $WM Dunst etc |
| 01:49.12 | Papillon | might have to fiddle some config files if you can do it at all |
| 01:49.56 | baribal | gry, Yes, a desktop, none specific option chosen, so it apparently defaulted to Gnome. I can re-install completely without default interface, if that'd make it easier. |
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| 01:51.45 | baribal | Papillon, well, *that* is the part that I'd need tome guide on, actually. Just installing stuff is trivial, after all. The specific configuration, like graphical theming and setting notion's keybindings, that I can to myself too, no problem. It's configuring X (I guess) to make it all come together which I have no idea about. |
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| 01:59.12 | gry | baribal, yes I would personally find it easier. maybe someone here can tell you how to remove gnome desktop without complete reinstall but I am not familiar with that process |
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| 02:03.06 | baribal | gry, reinstalling is trivial. And *then* what would I do? Do you know of a guide for not-quite-dummies-but-not-professional-either? |
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| 02:03.25 | gry | install the packages you need using apt(itude) |
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| 02:04.51 | baribal | I'll give it a try, but I seriously doubt that it's as easy as you're making it sound. :p |
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| 02:13.45 | gry | ok |
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| 02:16.16 | orlock | How do i see what package was built to provide a certain .deb? |
| 02:17.03 | orlock | As in, i'm making the assumption that building a single source package could result in multiple binary .deb's depending on the package? |
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| 02:46.00 | dgriffi | when did the names for networking devices change? I don't see eth0 and wlan0 anymore. |
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| 02:47.04 | Texou | oh it's changed for 1,5 year |
| 02:47.49 | Texou | orlock: this info is on snapshot.debian.org or tracker.debian.org |
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| 02:48.29 | Texou | dgriffi: oh it's changed for 1,5 year |
| 02:48.57 | daemon | hey all can anyone help me out with a routing problem: https://paste.ee/p/CYXgB |
| 02:49.04 | daemon | as to how its possible that, that gateway is unreachable |
| 02:49.26 | awal1 | Texou: what have changed? |
| 02:49.38 | Texou | names of network devices |
| 02:50.22 | awal1 | I'm running unstable and I still see eth0/wlan0 |
| 02:50.29 | Texou | really? |
| 02:50.40 | Texou | here things have changed for a long |
| 02:50.45 | awal1 | yeah |
| 02:50.54 | Texou | probably depends on interfaces, or kernel release, or systemd |
| 02:51.34 | dgriffi | Texou: systemd... as is usual for weird and jarring changes in operation... |
| 02:51.46 | Texou | yes... :( |
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| 02:52.46 | Texou | I really will need to learn systemd someday :) |
| 02:52.51 | dgriffi | the debian installer needs an option for choosing which init will be used. |
| 02:53.02 | Texou | oh |
| 02:53.09 | Texou | hard debate in Debian :( |
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| 02:53.29 | Texou | now sysvinit will disappear |
| 02:53.36 | Texou | as no one maintains it anymore |
| 02:53.52 | Texou | given that opposed people to systemd left Debian |
| 02:54.10 | dgriffi | Texou: I thought someone was maintaining a sysvinit switch within debian.. lemme dig that up |
| 02:54.15 | Papillon | the debian packaging guide didn't even mention systemd or at least last time I read it a few months ago |
| 02:54.38 | Papillon | the packaging guide as of this year at least I think says everything has to work with sysvinit |
| 02:54.39 | Texou | dgriffi: not now |
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| 02:54.51 | Texou | Stretch seems to exit sysvinit |
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| 02:55.01 | Texou | as transitional time is too heavy to maintain |
| 02:55.07 | chris32 | I talked with someone on here on IRC on PM about dating someone of a specific ethnicity and now I am getting ads on dating websites ads about people of that ethnicity. I am using firefox with a very minimal installation |
| 02:55.12 | chris32 | Is there something wrong with firefox? |
| 02:55.32 | chris32 | I am getting ads about dating websites* |
| 02:55.38 | dgriffi | http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Debian_Stretch |
| 02:55.46 | chris32 | i didnt visit any dating website and dont have cookies related to it |
| 02:56.01 | Texou | Papillon: seems the position changed before freeze |
| 02:56.15 | dgriffi | and now for something completely different... new install and the underscore character isn't showing up... |
| 02:56.23 | dgriffi | for xterms |
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| 02:58.25 | chris32 | Is there some new option on firefox about how it handles users' data that I am not aware of? |
| 02:59.04 | hanasaki | how can I setup a debian box so that people can connect from another box and get a login screen as if they are local? |
| 02:59.11 | dgriffi | blah! |
| 02:59.32 | gry | baribal, any good? |
| 02:59.36 | Papillon | sounds like something you can do with x11 hanasaki |
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| 02:59.55 | Papillon | although kvm or something |
| 03:00.00 | hanasaki | ofcourse... Papillon some instructions would be icne |
| 03:00.02 | hanasaki | nicne |
| 03:00.08 | hanasaki | nice lol cannot type tonight |
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| 03:01.11 | Papillon | https://wiki.debian.org/RemoteDesktop |
| 03:01.31 | Papillon | although I think there are other better wikis out there and there seems to be a lot of duplication of effort |
| 03:01.39 | Papillon | often it's a many to one problem |
| 03:01.50 | Papillon | sort of I guess |
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| 03:02.38 | chris32 | Papillon: could you help with my question? |
| 03:03.38 | Papillon | sorry, look at the various information sharing and privacy options in firefox, that's the best advice I can give you |
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| 03:04.34 | chris32 | Papillon: thanks. it's ok, i will. |
| 03:04.54 | shadow1 | Would anyone be able to help me troubleshoot an issue with my laptop crashing about half the time it goes into suspend? I'm all out of ideas and depend on this laptop for class :( |
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| 03:05.18 | orlock | chris32: It's probably more likely your ISP is sniffing all of your traffic and selling it to marketing agencies |
| 03:05.34 | Papillon | sometimes you can change what sleep states your laptop goes into, choosing more conservative options |
| 03:05.35 | chris32 | orlock: I have SSL |
| 03:05.41 | chris32 | orlock: right now using the website |
| 03:05.49 | Papillon | choosing to only go into s1 sleep state, or s2 |
| 03:05.58 | Papillon | that can sometimes fix it |
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| 03:06.10 | Texou | shadow1: what happens exactly? |
| 03:06.12 | shadow1 | my suspicion is it could be my intel/nvidia switchable graphics causing the issue |
| 03:06.24 | shadow1 | but i dont see a way to disable the nvidia graphics in the bios |
| 03:06.46 | shadow1 | the screen goes dark, then turns back on about a minute later |
| 03:06.53 | shadow1 | with wifi disabled and every application crashes |
| 03:07.04 | shadow1 | system basically is cripped |
| 03:07.09 | shadow1 | crippled* |
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| 03:07.26 | Texou | shadow1: and the desktop is displayed? |
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| 03:07.49 | shadow1 | yes it'll go back to the desktop after a few minutes but nothing works after it comes back from the failed suspend |
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| 03:08.10 | Texou | shadow1: an error? or just nothing runs? |
| 03:08.39 | shadow1 | no errors, the system just locks up. it's the strangest thing |
| 03:09.04 | Texou | shadow1: so desktop is displayed, but no movement with mouse or keyboard possible? |
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| 03:09.33 | shadow1 | sometimes it will completely lock up, even capslock wont work. sometimes i can click around and move windows |
| 03:09.47 | Texou | hmm |
| 03:09.48 | shadow1 | but applications act strange and wireless is dead |
| 03:10.02 | shadow1 | its like the system comes back from sleep in a drunk state lol |
| 03:10.19 | Texou | shadow1: you should see if .xsession-errors doesn't explicit some problems, or /var/log/Xorg.log.0 |
| 03:10.47 | Texou | what's your nvidia driver? free or not? |
| 03:11.31 | shadow1 | the free one |
| 03:11.45 | Texou | maybe try the proprietary one? |
| 03:12.05 | shadow1 | i tried to install but i dont think it supports switchable graphics |
| 03:12.12 | shadow1 | just said i dont have an nvidia card |
| 03:12.20 | Texou | ? |
| 03:12.38 | shadow1 | laptop has intel graphics but goes to nvidia for 3d acceleration |
| 03:12.58 | Texou | oh... weird |
| 03:13.25 | Texou | well try having a look at logs if they give info (probably they do) |
| 03:13.36 | Texou | ~/.xsession-errors and /var/log/Xorg.log |
| 03:13.39 | shadow1 | ok |
| 03:13.59 | shadow1 | it just happened so i should be able to find something |
| 03:14.06 | Texou | sure |
| 03:14.19 | Texou | otherwise look at .old files related to these logs |
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| 03:24.07 | shadow1 | i cant find any Xorg logs anywhere.. maybe its in a different place on stretch? |
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| 03:24.15 | shadow1 | this is what i got from /var/log/messages https://www.pastiebin.com/58e1c01346ee2/rev/44538 |
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| 03:27.33 | Texou | shadow1: in /var/log, nothing related to Xorg? |
| 03:28.04 | shadow1 | doesnt look like it, get nothing with journalctl -e _COMM=Xorg either |
| 03:28.11 | shadow1 | how strange |
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| 03:28.40 | Texou | strange indeed |
| 03:28.45 | Texou | and ~/.xsession-errors? |
| 03:29.14 | shadow1 | doesnt exist |
| 03:29.20 | SpaceAce | what's the name of the tool to monitor changes to a directory? |
| 03:29.23 | SpaceAce | inotify or something |
| 03:29.41 | SpaceAce | i just need to move files as they come into a dir |
| 03:30.00 | Texou | shadow1: very strange |
| 03:30.02 | SpaceAce | ah, inotifywait |
| 03:30.12 | Texou | shadow1: and your syslog? |
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| 03:35.21 | olf-folks | hey guies has anyone here experince with truble shoot debian sound issues, i have tried the things i have found on the inet |
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| 03:36.30 | olf-folks | such as adding myself to sound group and trying to unmute via alsamixer and doing "aplay /usr/share/audio/alsa/Test.wav etc |
| 03:39.37 | shadow1 | Texou: https://www.pastiebin.com/58e1c3d85b811/rev/44539 heres most of my syslog around the time it crashed |
| 03:40.07 | Texou | ok |
| 03:40.08 | olf-folks | lspci shows i have Cirrus Logic CS 4614/22/24/30 crystalclear soundfusion audio accelerator |
| 03:41.24 | shadow1 | hmm Apr 2 17:45:02 latitude kernel: [26064.670748] Freezing of tasks failed after 20.003 seconds (11 tasks refusing to freeze, wq_busy=0): |
| 03:42.28 | Texou | shadow1: indeed. not beautiful log :) |
| 03:45.14 | Texou | shadow1: things seem to be down with a wifi issue |
| 03:45.33 | Texou | maybe disable wifi card? |
| 03:46.33 | shadow1 | weird cuz sometimes it just goes to sleep fine, other times it doesnt. doesnt seem to be any pattern |
| 03:46.52 | shadow1 | even tried a bios update |
| 03:47.23 | Texou | shadow1: given this log, I'd try disabling wifi first and see if it's always unstable |
| 03:47.55 | shadow1 | i'll give it a shot. wonder why intel would have open source video drivers but closed source wifi drivers :S |
| 03:48.46 | Texou | oh wifi and motherboards may have different situations |
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| 04:00.03 | shadow1 | thanks for your help :) |
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| 05:58.01 | vyadhaka | I am looking for some help with regex syntax, I am trying to narrow down a list of invalid URLs, the domain part should have at least one dot and not 2 or more consecutive dots, it almost works with egrep -iv '^(http|https)://(([a-z0-9-]+)(\.?))+[a-z0-9/-]$' but it's not picking up http://aa ( that is minimum one dot condition) any suggestions? |
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| 06:11.56 | nkuttler | vyadhaka: #regex |
| 06:14.39 | buu | vyadhaka: good lord why |
| 06:15.53 | nkuttler | (why not a whitelist anyway) |
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| 06:19.36 | vyadhaka | nkuttler: this is related to my studies |
| 06:20.58 | avar | Why is my time 'Mon Apr 3 09:20:25 CEST 2017' even though my timezone (sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata) is Europe/Amsterdam, seems it's not getting the hint about DST |
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| 06:22.04 | nkuttler | avar: hwclock -r |
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| 06:22.54 | avar | that's ~09:20 |
| 06:23.07 | nkuttler | !set time |
| 06:23.07 | dpkg | To set the time on Debian systems, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install <ntp> to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. Also verify the system's UTC setting and set the correct time zone; ask me about <utc>, <timezone>. see systemd-timesyncd instead of installing ntp https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd-timesyncd |
| 06:23.27 | nkuttler | avar: just install ntp |
| 06:23.28 | avar | `timedatectl status` shows ntp enabled/synchronized.. |
| 06:24.06 | nkuttler | wait.. |
| 06:24.19 | nkuttler | avar: what was the output of dpkg-reconfigure tzdata? |
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| 06:25.15 | avar | Current default time zone: 'Europe/Amsterdam' / Local time is now: Mon Apr 3 09:24:31 CEST 2017. / Universal Time is now: Mon Apr 3 07:24:31 UTC 2017. |
| 06:25.18 | avar | so utc is also 1hr off.. |
| 06:25.27 | nkuttler | yeah, install ntp |
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| 06:26.45 | avar | I've got openntpd, it's in the default conf of using [0-3].debian.pool.ntp.org |
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| 06:28.06 | avar | but a manual 'sudo ntpdate 0.debian.pool.ntp.org' sets it correctly |
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| 06:34.27 | avar | So I should have a working ntp, but apparently it's doing nothing, but also I see I'm running both systemd-timesyncd & openntpd |
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| 06:51.54 | choice | Hello! Where would you guys put "company wide files" on a server? In /home/copanyname? In /mnt/companyname/? In /var/companyname/? |
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| 06:56.56 | zykotick9 | thinks /src is a lot shorter path to type... |
| 06:57.05 | zykotick9 | s/src/srv/ |
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| 06:59.20 | choice | Interesting. I never heard of /srv/. |
| 06:59.25 | choice | Since we already use /home/ (for the users home dirs) I tend to go with /home/. So our stuff is less spread out around the filesystem. |
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| 07:05.55 | cef | I use /srv a lot, but mainly in relation to files I want to serve (apache, nginx, samba, nfs, etc) out of a machine. |
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| 07:09.09 | cef | But I'll create a dir under /srv for said application (eg: /srv/www, /srv/smb, /srv/nfs, etc), in case I need to add another service to said machine. |
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| 07:27.40 | nkuttler | another vote for /srv |
| 07:27.47 | suexec | In the nvidia control panel, you can adjust brightness, contrast etc etc. Is it possible to make the same adjustments via console commands? (I.e I would like to make a script with one set of settings, then another script for other settings so I can quickly change between settings) |
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| 07:31.29 | buu | suexec: did you look at the cli argument list? |
| 07:33.09 | suexec | buu, nope |
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| 07:33.37 | buu | oh |
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| 07:35.14 | suexec | buu, I guess the -a attribute could be applied |
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| 07:38.15 | suexec | buu, yep. Found the solution. Thanks ! :) |
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| 07:47.16 | discovered | which iso i need to download if i don't want any GUI ? |
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| 07:47.27 | tx | minimal / netinstall |
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| 07:50.15 | discovered | tx, will it start installing from remote server? I just need to run some text based software |
| 07:50.32 | discovered | like apache,ftp etc |
| 07:50.37 | tx | by itself, you mean? |
| 07:50.51 | tx | what do you mean by "start installing" |
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| 07:51.01 | discovered | tx, yes |
| 07:51.24 | tx | you can mount that ISO on a remote server / attach it |
| 07:51.31 | tx | and follow the prompts to install it on a hard drive |
| 07:51.38 | tx | via a console |
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| 07:52.17 | discovered | i will install it on vm to see how it works |
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| 07:53.10 | discovered | I just need to use only web server ,ssh and ftp in that minimal system. No gui(gnome/kde) is required |
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| 07:54.03 | mender27 | Morning. |
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| 07:55.51 | discovered | should i download stretch version? |
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| 07:56.03 | tx | download stable |
| 07:56.08 | mender27 | discovered: what do you intend to do? :) |
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| 07:56.26 | jelly | discovered: stretch is not ready yet |
| 07:56.29 | tx | a web server + ftp |
| 07:56.33 | tx | so, stable |
| 07:56.39 | tx | after all, this channel is for stable only anyway ;) |
| 07:56.40 | mender27 | yup, agreed. stable, totally. |
| 07:56.51 | mender27 | tx: I thought it's for all things Debian :(. |
| 07:57.02 | tx | Nope, annoyingly that's on a whole other network. |
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| 07:57.46 | discovered | when this stretch going to be release? |
| 07:57.51 | jelly | !wwsr |
| 07:57.51 | dpkg | Well... it's starting to get distinctly chilly... Debian 9 "Stretch" will probably release in mid-2017. It will release sooner if you help fix bugs in stretch and sid... take that as a challenge. Ask me about <stretch freeze>, <how-can-i-help> https://udd.debian.org/bugs/ |
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| 08:00.04 | mender27 | jelly: thanks for the heads-up! |
| 08:00.44 | mender27 | Yeah, quite some bugs in Stretch still. Even per firefox-esr. |
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| 08:02.05 | discovered | I want to run that minimal server in vm. KVM is the right choice? |
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| 08:02.48 | tx | sure thing |
| 08:03.00 | mender27 | seconded. |
| 08:04.55 | mender27 | also, there is no set release date for Stable Stretch just yet. At least, according to the Debian Releases webpage. |
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| 08:09.40 | Papillon | but it's frozen? |
| 08:10.25 | mender27 | No, I just got updates today morning. |
| 08:10.50 | tx | it's frozen |
| 08:10.56 | Papillon | debian streth froz |
| 08:10.58 | Papillon | stretch |
| 08:10.59 | tx | but some of the ice is still warm, so last minute updates (that aren't big) |
| 08:11.01 | tx | can be included |
| 08:11.07 | Papillon | I think I can guess the next two letters |
| 08:11.16 | mender27 | oh, okay, sorry for the confusion. |
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| 08:11.48 | petn-randall | Stretch is frozen. If you got updates, they're to fix some RC bugs. Also, there will be no release date, it will be anounced at most a few days before. The usual release date is "when it's ready". |
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| 08:13.12 | Papillon | packaging seems like one big hassle |
| 08:13.56 | mender27 | petn-randall: thanks for the clarification :). |
| 08:14.25 | mender27 | I think I need to get to Debian packaging at one point, hehe... |
| 08:14.27 | Papillon | there has to be a better way |
| 08:14.51 | Papillon | so much duplication of work |
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| 08:15.37 | mender27 | Papillon: well, if you automate it, then not so much :). |
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| 08:21.49 | OS-28259 | hi |
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| 08:32.04 | slax0r | hello, I'm trying to downgrade some packages on wheezy from squeeze, and get that release file is expired, when I try to apt-get install, anyway to ignore that error and proceed with installation? |
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| 08:33.26 | nkuttler | slax0r: well, neither downgrading nor squeeze is supported.. but just download and dpkg -i them? |
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| 08:34.05 | slax0r | fg |
| 08:34.07 | slax0r | err |
| 08:34.33 | tx | yeah fg for sure. |
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| 08:35.48 | slax0r | nkuttler: yeah, could do that as well |
| 08:36.04 | slax0r | I just need a running vm with some old packages for some legacy support task |
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| 08:36.53 | tx | I'd use something lighter like docker |
| 08:37.02 | tx | depends on how old it is I guess ;) |
| 08:37.04 | petn-randall | !squeeze-lts |
| 08:37.04 | dpkg | Volunteer-provided security support for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" ended on 2016-02-29 for a limited set of packages for i386 and amd64. An appropriate line for your sources.list is «deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-lts main». |
| 08:37.08 | petn-randall | slax0r: ^^^ |
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| 08:38.48 | slax0r | tx: I do, I just wanted to use the official debian image, and the oldest there is wheezy, hence I'd need to downgrade :) |
| 08:38.55 | slax0r | guess I'm taking the different route :) |
| 08:39.46 | slax0r | petn-randall: I'm using that one, but hence "ended on 2016-02-29" |
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| 08:46.35 | petn-randall | slax0r: http://snapshot.debian.org/ has a similar issue, there's a workaround described. |
| 08:46.39 | petn-randall | slax0r: "To access snapshots of suites using Valid-Until that are older than a dozen days, it is necessary to ignore the Valid-Until header within Release files, in order to prevent apt from disregarding snapshot entries ("Release file expired"). Use aptitude -o Acquire::Check-Valid-Until=false update or apt-get -o Acquire::Check-Valid-Until=false update for this purpose." |
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| 08:55.34 | slax0r | petn-randall: thanks |
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| 09:16.03 | dfgh | I just installed stable minimal and then changed the sources to sid and dist-upgraded. Everything went fine and I installed kde and a few others like network-manager. After rebooting, I get the sddm login screen but the keyboard doesn't work. The mouse works fine, but I can't type a password to login. |
| 09:16.44 | dfgh | I restarted into recovery mode to check if I was missing anything, I installed xserver-xorg-input-kbd but till the keyboard isn't working in sddm. |
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| 09:21.23 | dfgh | Alright, it seems kde-plasma-desktop doesn't install xserver-xorg-input-libinput in sid, after installing that the keyboard now works in sddm. |
| 09:21.33 | tx | yay |
| 09:21.34 | zh1 | get this error on flash player update https://paste.debian.net/925699 |
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| 09:22.07 | zafu | hi, suddenly my X has now the wrong keyboard layout, where/how do I correct that? |
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| 09:22.52 | tx | sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration |
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| 09:24.09 | zafu | tx: :) thanks |
| 09:24.13 | tx | np |
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| 09:31.18 | BigBlackManOnPCP | hi all |
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| 09:33.15 | linuxthefish | hi, when running "synaptic-pkexec" i get the error "Another synaptic is running. Trying to bring it to the foreground" but another one isn't running |
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| 09:33.33 | linuxthefish | i even did "killall -9 synaptic-pkexec" and no other processes |
| 09:34.29 | linuxthefish | ah nvm fixed it |
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| 09:35.24 | d3xter | hey guys, i'm trying to compile a c-project and during configure i get "/configure: line 13504: syntax error near unexpected token `FAKEKEY,', where do i have to look for that syntax error? |
| 09:35.57 | mender27 | d3xter: at the line it points to? |
| 09:35.57 | d3xter | oh nvm ^^ |
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| 09:36.08 | d3xter | i was looking at configure.ac not configure :( |
| 09:36.17 | mender27 | :D. |
| 09:37.38 | d3xter | mender27: is it correct, that autoconf creates the "configure" file? |
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| 09:51.30 | mender27 | d3xter: this I don't know, sorry. |
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| 09:52.41 | Megaf | Good morning folks |
| 09:52.46 | Megaf | mender27, what's his question? |
| 09:53.32 | mender27 | d3xter: this might be helpful to you: http://tldp.org/LDP/LG/current/smith.html. Megaf: d3xter: is it correct, that autoconf creates the "configure" file? |
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| 09:56.05 | mender27 | d3xter: honestly, the document I linked is a good introduction to the GNU Make tool and I might read it more thoroughly, too :). |
| 09:56.40 | d3xter | mender27: i was just wondering when "configure" gets created automatically, how syntax errors can occur ^^ will take a look. thanks |
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| 09:59.19 | moldy | d3xter: this is likely a bug in the project you're trying to compile |
| 09:59.36 | moldy | d3xter: either that or a missing dependency on your system |
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| 10:01.42 | mender27 | d3xter: if FAKEKEY is a "#define" from some header, you might be missing a library. |
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| 10:03.35 | moldy | basically, double-check the build docs for that project, and if that doesn't help, report a bug to them |
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| 10:06.51 | phi_ | how are you dealing with chromium disabled extensions in stretch? |
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| 10:07.48 | d3xter | moldy: build docs are "run the usual route ./configure make and make install" ^^ |
| 10:08.13 | d3xter | i'll get in touch with the developers. thanks for your help |
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| 10:11.03 | jguillen | Hello everyone, a simple question for me, maybe you can help. Im btw using debian jessie. I would like to create a private network with a static IP for my homelab, but also would like to have another ethernet connection in case I connect via cable at work and use DHCP. Any hint about this ? |
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| 10:12.53 | FinalX | jguillen: would be easier to make your private network also do dhcp, and make it assign the same ip to the same hardware address (mac/ethernet address) every time |
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| 10:13.41 | FinalX | combining the two in the old fashioned /etc/network/interfaces way is pretty impossible. maybe use something like network manager instead, then. but even so, wouldn't recommend that. |
| 10:14.22 | petn-randall | !tell jguillen -about crosspost |
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| 10:27.50 | d3xter | so i think i've found a bug inside iceweasel :( matchbox-keyboard should pop-up when focusing a password field. its working fine in chromium, but not in iceweasel |
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| 10:32.58 | kryl | hi, is it possible actually to update jessie kernel without rebooting ? I guess kpatch will be released in next version of debian ? |
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| 10:37.26 | kryl | what about ksplice in debian ? |
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| 10:38.40 | backtrack | Does the Linux kernel have NSA backdoor? |
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| 10:41.20 | coke | only after you ask about the nsa on the internet |
| 10:41.42 | zh1 | backtrack, ask nsa.gov and tell us |
| 10:43.30 | sine0 | silly question maybe, but does having a GPU on a headless server help for remote desktop |
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| 11:00.10 | ppf | hi folks |
| 11:00.47 | ppf | on a debian 8 production machine, someone installed a couple of packages from sid (of course including libc) |
| 11:01.06 | ppf | after removing the apt source, what's the quickest way to downgrade all the wrong-versioned packages? |
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| 11:05.54 | moldy | ppf: there is no supported way, afaik |
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| 11:06.58 | BluesKaj | Howdy all |
| 11:07.07 | moldy | ppf: that said, you can try `apt-get dist-upgrade`, but be prepared for all kinds of breakage. have backups and a way to access the system in case it fails to boot. |
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| 11:08.02 | ppf | moldy: dist-upgrade only goes into the forward direction. it doesn't downgrade |
| 11:08.07 | c1a551f1ed | ppf: Pretty sure a reinstall is going to be your only option here that ensures a properly functioning system going forward. |
| 11:08.26 | ppf | c1a551f1ed: why's that? |
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| 11:08.55 | TomTomTosch | ppf: start by poking the guy with sharp sticks. then you can look at the damage using aptitude search '?narrow(?installed, ?archive(unstable))' |
| 11:09.03 | moldy | ppf: 100% sure? i remember differently |
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| 11:09.17 | ppf | i can more or less list all the packages that deviate from the distribution version and xarg that into an apt install, but is there a nicer way? |
| 11:09.26 | c1a551f1ed | ppf: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian#Don.27t_make_a_FrankenDebian |
| 11:09.30 | TomTomTosch | ppf: you can try downgrading the packages manually but it will be painful and might fail. |
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| 11:09.46 | c1a551f1ed | ppf: Might hand the guy that entire page, honestly. |
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| 11:10.33 | ppf | c1a551f1ed: The guy isn't here anymore :) |
| 11:10.38 | c1a551f1ed | ppf: Even better. :D |
| 11:11.29 | ppf | anyways, he was pretty savvy, so there's a miniscule chance that this was intentional and for good reason |
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| 11:11.37 | ppf | TomTomTosch: what might fail and why? |
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| 11:13.30 | TomTomTosch | because downgrading is not tested or supported. |
| 11:13.52 | BluesKaj | I was surprised to see jodi crashing on my intel gpu laptop after insalling it last night, the crash log didn't give any clues |
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| 11:14.03 | BluesKaj | kodi rather |
| 11:14.23 | mender27 | afaik, downgrading can be done, but may result in breakage due to wrong dependency versions. |
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| 11:14.50 | ppf | TomTomTosch: the system wasn't really _upgraded_, i've just got a couple of packages with wrong versions lying around |
| 11:14.56 | ppf | 'just' |
| 11:15.18 | mender27 | ppf: if you know those specific packages and they're a handful, you might be successful. |
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| 11:15.37 | ppf | i mean, package versions are rather atomic, there's nothing specific about going from one version to another, right? |
| 11:15.48 | c1a551f1ed | Dependencies. |
| 11:16.13 | c1a551f1ed | And libc was included in this mess, as you said. |
| 11:16.14 | ppf | c1a551f1ed: yes, i'll be downgrading those transtively, of course |
| 11:16.35 | mender27 | Yes, the dependencies are likely to break due to the way Debian often specifies them (version X < package < version Y). |
| 11:16.57 | ppf | right now i'm thinking i might just downgrade libc6 and pick up the pieces |
| 11:17.24 | c1a551f1ed | ppf: You get to keep all of them. I've noticed that you came in here asking for help and advice, but are rejecting everything you're being given because you don't believe it's that serious. I wish you good luck. |
| 11:17.53 | ppf | c1a551f1ed: i'm not rejecting anything, and I appreciate your advice |
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| 11:18.18 | mender27 | changing libc is a sure no-go. should never be done to a Stable install :(. |
| 11:18.35 | ppf | well, technically i'm rejecting the "don't" and "it's hard" advice :) |
| 11:18.40 | ppf | mender27: i'm aware :( |
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| 11:18.57 | petn-randall | ppf: Restore from backups. Or reinstall. There's really no other sane option. |
| 11:19.08 | c1a551f1ed | Installing sid packages on stable should never be done, period. We even have a page called "Don't Break Debian," where that exact thing is the first topic discussed. |
| 11:19.18 | petn-randall | ppf: Take the advice from someone who actually tried downgrading libc6 once. |
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| 11:20.15 | ppf | c1a551f1ed: granted, but i'm past that point here ;) |
| 11:20.37 | c1a551f1ed | ppf: Your answer is a rebuild of the system. |
| 11:20.48 | c1a551f1ed | ppf: And bamboo under the guy's toenails for your trouble. |
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| 11:21.33 | ppf | petn-randall: what is the problem with listing all the wrong-versioned packages and reinstalling all of them? |
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| 11:22.36 | ppf | (i'm seriously asking for the most likely, conrete failure i'll encounted) |
| 11:22.45 | ppf | *concrete |
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| 11:25.30 | ppf | fwiw there's two reasons i'm considering this, a) it's not my machine. I have no idea when the system went downhill, and if there are sufficiently recent backups. b) the machine isn't running my services, so if i reinstall it, other people need to set up these services and i don't have faith in their abilities |
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| 11:26.43 | ppf | so trying to save the machine as it is looks like a viable option to me :) |
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| 11:27.45 | David_Hedlund | How do I make .deb of /lib/systemd/system/socket.service and /bin/vlc? |
| 11:28.17 | ppf | David_Hedlund: https://wiki.debian.org/HowToPackageForDebian |
| 11:28.30 | petn-randall | ppf: If you downgrade libc6, apt/dpkg might stop working mid-downgrade. Permanently. Amongst many other services. But if you don't have recent backups, you have way larger problems. |
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| 11:29.00 | petn-randall | ppf: I just ended up reinstalling and migrating the data from the old installation to the new one. |
| 11:29.20 | dgriffi | when I started fiddling around with the lack of libjasper, I thought it was a shame... |
| 11:29.37 | dgriffi | now I'm trying to build the damn thing myself and I'm screaming at the author |
| 11:29.48 | dgriffi | how the hell is someone supposed to get this thing build? |
| 11:30.05 | moldy | ppf: it's very likely that reinstalling is signifcantly less work *right now*, and even more likely it's less work in the long run |
| 11:30.14 | dgriffi | good riddance! I'm switching all of my code to using openjpeg instead of jasper. |
| 11:31.00 | ppf | dgriffi: what's so hard about it? |
| 11:31.26 | ppf | moldy: that's precisely what i want to find out right now |
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| 11:31.34 | dgriffi | ppf: the author uses cmake in funny ways such that a simple mkdir build; cmake ../ doesn't work |
| 11:31.56 | dgriffi | ppf: and it fails to find the glut.h headers |
| 11:32.37 | dgriffi | I just need to get it compiled so I can port my code away from it |
| 11:33.21 | ppf | dgriffi: works fine for me. you do realise that there's a build/ directory in the source tree already? maybe pick a different one |
| 11:33.51 | ppf | petn-randall: apt isn't linked statically? M( |
| 11:34.07 | dgriffi | ppf: no dice |
| 11:35.14 | dgriffi | https://pastebin.com/KQXNMuwp |
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| 11:36.52 | ppf | petn-randall: sid's apt depends on a lesser version of libc6 than the one shipped with stable |
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| 11:40.38 | petn-randall | shrugs. |
| 11:40.54 | petn-randall | ppf: Let's not waste each other's time then. Try it and see. |
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| 11:45.02 | jelly | ppf: if you haven't been pointed to it yet, /msg dpkg partial downgrade |
| 11:45.37 | jelly | ppf: before that, make a backup/snapshot/w/e of the machine as it is right now |
| 11:46.02 | ppf | jelly: will do, thanks |
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| 11:48.47 | mender27 | dgriffi: I'm confused. It found glut.h in GL/glut.h. Why is it looking further and crashing? |
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| 11:56.49 | serrano | Hello. Can anyone tell me the meaning of "+b1" in "aptly_0.9.7-1+b1_amd64.deb"? |
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| 11:57.34 | petn-randall | serrano: It usually means it got recompiled due to some updates of underlying libraries. If in doubt, you can check the changelogs in /usr/share/doc/<packagename>/changelog.Debian.gz |
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| 11:59.24 | serrano | petn-randall: ok, thanks |
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| 12:01.07 | TwistedFate | If I want to switch from stable to testing, I will only use 1 mirror in sources.list right? |
| 12:01.14 | TwistedFate | As testing and unstable dont get updates? |
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| 12:01.53 | TwistedFate | jessie-security and jessie-updates |
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| 12:09.52 | abrotman | well, I guess he didn't want the actual answer .. |
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| 12:11.04 | arlecchino | for what is this channel ? |
| 12:11.22 | mender27 | For Debian Stable support |
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| 12:11.50 | petn-randall | arlecchino: You're still in the wrong channel. |
| 12:11.55 | petn-randall | !parrot |
| 12:11.55 | dpkg | Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
| 12:12.00 | petn-randall | arlecchino: Try this one. ^^^ |
| 12:12.47 | arlecchino | 1 |
| 12:13.00 | arlecchino | but |
| 12:13.04 | arlecchino | i cant find parros |
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| 12:13.10 | arlecchino | parrot os channel |
| 12:13.30 | coke | not like its mentioned in that long line dpkg said |
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| 12:13.41 | petn-randall | arlecchino: You need to connect to the right network. Read dpkg's message again. |
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| 12:20.03 | Megaf | Folks, any idea how can I swap two keys on my keyboard for the whole system? |
| 12:20.21 | Megaf | I want to swap super for alt |
| 12:20.36 | mender27 | Megaf: check out xkbd |
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| 12:21.28 | mender27 | Megaf: ah, sorry, it's called xkeyboard. |
| 12:22.02 | mender27 | With it you can set custom keybinding within you .xinitrc that will be later used by the X11 session. |
| 12:22.51 | Megaf | cool |
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| 12:26.21 | coke | let me guess cmd and alt :p |
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| 12:26.49 | boser | hello, i have problem in firefox. after some minutes, the menues in the menue-bars are not showing, it indicator is only a black box. can you help me, please. it is Jessie with the newes software on. |
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| 12:29.41 | mender27 | boser: what do you mean by "newes software on"? Do you mean backports? |
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| 12:33.36 | kryl_ | hi, is it possible actually to update jessie kernel without rebooting ? I guess kpatch will be released in next version of debian ? |
| 12:34.29 | mender27 | kryl_: it really depends what do you want to do specifically. |
| 12:35.14 | mender27 | kryl_: don't think everything can be hot-patched. |
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| 12:36.45 | kryl_ | mender27, look at ksplice / oracle project |
| 12:36.56 | kryl_ | it's still available for ubuntu but not sure for debian |
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| 12:37.12 | boser | mender27: no, all updates are made. |
| 12:37.23 | baribal | gry, I suddenly noticed that it was 4am already, and dropped into bed. I've just restarted the computer in question and am reinstalling. |
| 12:37.27 | kryl_ | there is a packet in jessie but not sure if it works that's why I'm asking there |
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| 12:39.06 | boser | and i also get not contect-nenue, if i use the right mouse-button. |
| 12:39.14 | boser | on a desktop |
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| 12:40.12 | teraflops | boser: are you using a gtk dark theme or a custom one? |
| 12:40.24 | teraflops | gtk3 actually |
| 12:40.37 | boser | my desjktop is the cinnemon. |
| 12:41.01 | boser | desktop |
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| 12:41.16 | boser | an the other configuration is standard. |
| 12:41.17 | teraflops | ok, but are you using gtk dark theme or a custom one?^ |
| 12:41.49 | mender27 | kryl_: if it's in Jessie it should be functional, right? |
| 12:42.09 | teraflops | boser: jessie or testing/sid? |
| 12:42.26 | boser | f*, i can not open a consol/terminal. it is also a black hole box. |
| 12:42.42 | boser | normal jessie. |
| 12:43.03 | teraflops | boser: did you reboot after doing the upgrade? or at least restarted cinnamon? |
| 12:44.20 | boser | not. but the problem was befor the update also. |
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| 12:45.11 | teraflops | boser: no idea then |
| 12:46.57 | boser | ok, thx, teraflops . so i have to look and to find out, if i can find a situation to reporduced the error every time. |
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| 12:48.35 | teraflops | boser: maybe launching ff from a terminal could help, since it spits error and warns to stout. |
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| 13:04.50 | sine0 | silly question maybe, but does having a GPU on a headless server help for remote desktop |
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| 13:10.15 | mender27 | sine0: it's not a silly question at all. Quite the interesting one, in fact. |
| 13:11.59 | mender27 | sine0: ah dread, I cannot find the source now, but I recommend reading the manpage fomr xenocara on OpenBSD. |
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| 13:13.40 | mender27 | sine0: in principle, you could do the rendering on the server and just link up remotely as a guest to get the output back. |
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| 13:23.07 | baribal | HAH! I _knew_ it wouldn't be so easy! Okay, I did a clean install of Jessie, no graphical interface by default. I installed xdm, notion and dunst, then rebooted. I landed on the console; no X up by default, no xdm to be seen. So, step 1, how do I make xdm start by default? As I understand, these days Debian uses systemd? So... Where do I start reading? |
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| 13:26.22 | teraflops | baribal: update-alternatives --config default-display-manager |
| 13:27.04 | petn-randall | baribal: Debugging is not much different from before. Check in /var/log/daemon.log and other files for info why it didn't start. 'systemctl' will give you an overview of services that were started, failed ones will be shown in red. |
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| 13:27.36 | baribal | update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for default-display-manager |
| 13:28.11 | nkuttler | baribal: xdm should start by default, if you have no other dm installed. can you startx? |
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| 13:29.04 | baribal | startx: command not found |
| 13:29.40 | baribal | Let me guess... The xserver itself is not among the dependencies? |
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| 13:30.28 | TimurTheLame | baribal, it's in the xinit package |
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| 13:30.49 | TimurTheLame | baribal, tip: you can use apt-file to search for files |
| 13:31.17 | baribal | Yup, no xinit installed; one moment... |
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| 13:35.17 | baribal | startx starts the X server, dropping me into a session of notion; not xdm. `update-alternatives --config default-display-manager` still gives me `update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for default-display-manager` |
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| 13:37.02 | nkuttler | baribal: cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager ? |
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| 13:38.25 | dgriffi | mender27: my best guess is that libjasper's author botched the cmake setup |
| 13:38.50 | baribal | /usr/bin/xdm |
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| 13:40.55 | baribal | ...aaaand a reboot dropped me into what looks like it could be xdm... |
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| 13:42.00 | baribal | Yup, and I can log in and get a notion session. Moral of the story: "Just install xinit, dummy!" Thanks, * |
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| 13:47.55 | dgriffi | does anyone here know autoconf? I don't know how I can make it create confdefs.h |
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| 13:48.03 | dgriffi | and google isn't telling me anything |
| 13:48.05 | dgriffi | useful |
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| 13:52.22 | Chrismeister | Hello, I'm searching for a application that lets me graphically add texts and lines to a pdf |
| 13:52.29 | Chrismeister | Like Adobe Acrobat |
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| 13:58.17 | imMute | I wonder how many people actually responded to the keyring email on d-d-a... |
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| 13:58.28 | jelly | dgriffi: I don't remember much about it... run aclocal first maybe? |
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| 13:59.29 | dgriffi | jelly: that doesn't affect anything |
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| 14:00.12 | dgriffi | jelly: I cannot find anything documenting how to do anything with confdefs.h besides lots of mysterious build errors. |
| 14:00.40 | dgriffi | err... google says nothing about confdefs.h except reports of build failures |
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| 14:01.47 | j4ckcom | bash: curl: command not found. <â whatâs wrong? |
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| 14:02.01 | kuhno | i tried to install debian from the 8.7.1-netinst image, but i tells my GRUB failed to install (told it to use the whole disk as crypto-LVM as / on a NVMe-SSD) without any further information. How can I get more debug info? |
| 14:02.17 | jelly | dgriffi: is there a conftest.ac ? |
| 14:02.20 | serrano | j4ckcom: `apt-get install curl`? |
| 14:02.28 | j4ckcom | thanks |
| 14:03.06 | dgriffi | jelly: what's that supposed to do? |
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| 14:03.47 | jelly | dgriffi: judging by contents of some random source "configure" file, it's what confdefs.h gets generated from |
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| 14:04.48 | dgriffi | jelly: I have two source trees that have somehow generated confdefs.h. neither of them have any sort of conftest.ac file |
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| 14:05.48 | jelly | dgriffi: ookay... so you do have confdefs.h, but part of build process fails to find or use it? |
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| 14:06.32 | jelly | dgriffi: did you manage to recreate top level configure by now? |
| 14:06.39 | dgriffi | jelly: I can do that. |
| 14:07.12 | dgriffi | jelly: I discovered about confdefs.h as the place where stuff like PACKAGE_NAME and PREFIX get defined in such a way to be accessable to the program |
| 14:07.52 | jelly | right. And just before adding those to the file, ./configure is apparently supposed to create it... $as_echo "/* confdefs.h */" > confdefs.h |
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| 14:08.05 | dgriffi | jelly: at the end of config.log is a section indicating the contents of confdefs.h... but that file is never created |
| 14:08.45 | dgriffi | jelly: I see it too... code to create confdefs.h... no idea how to cause that code to execute |
| 14:08.51 | jelly | dgriffi: do you have anything similar to ^^ in your generated configure? |
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| 14:09.14 | dgriffi | jelly: "similar to ^^" ?syntax error |
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| 14:09.59 | jelly | similar to ... echo "/* confdefs.h */" > confdefs.h |
| 14:10.10 | jelly | "the above" |
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| 14:14.06 | dgriffi | jelly: yes. those are in my generated configure script |
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| 14:16.33 | baribal | ...and I'm back. So I tried locking my screen, and ~/.xsession-errors says that xlock couldn't be found; nor could I find a package for it. Okay, that's weird and constitutes question 1. Question 2 is: What thing do I have to `update-alternatives --config $THING` to set my default screen locker, and question 3 is, so that I don't sound like an idiot, what's the proper name for what I called `thing` here? |
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| 14:18.03 | jhutchins_wk | apt-file can tell you what package provides a file. Install it and update, then search. |
| 14:18.28 | petn-randall | baribal: Install 'command-not-found', and it will tell you which package to install when a executable is not installed. Or jhutchins_wk's way. |
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| 14:19.38 | jhutchins_wk | baribal: For a list of alternatives settings, try ls /etc/alternatives |
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| 14:20.32 | jelly | dgriffi: that's something. Does a "make clean" followed by "./configure ..." not create that confdefs.h? |
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| 14:20.50 | jhutchins_wk | baribal: I don't think xlock/xscreensaver are managed as alternatives. |
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| 14:21.05 | arlecchino | a way to format a bootable stick |
| 14:21.06 | arlecchino | ? |
| 14:21.14 | arlecchino | on debian |
| 14:21.20 | dgriffi | jelly: nope |
| 14:21.33 | dgriffi | arlecchino: do you want it writable? |
| 14:21.36 | petn-randall | arlecchino: You're still using Parrot OS. Ask in their channel. |
| 14:21.46 | arlecchino | i cant find Parros os |
| 14:21.51 | petn-randall | arlecchino: You won't get support for Parrot OS in here. |
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| 14:21.55 | c1a551f1ed | arlecchino: That doesn't make Parrot on topic here. |
| 14:21.57 | arlecchino | but is debian |
| 14:22.01 | c1a551f1ed | !tell arlecchino -about parrot |
| 14:22.10 | arlecchino | !parrot |
| 14:22.10 | dpkg | Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
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| 14:22.17 | arlecchino | -about parrot |
| 14:22.27 | c1a551f1ed | "is not supported in #debian" |
| 14:22.34 | arlecchino | meh |
| 14:22.45 | arlecchino | this system dont have a irc client |
| 14:22.51 | arlecchino | channel* |
| 14:23.27 | c1a551f1ed | Not on Freenode. You're on the wrong network, as you've been told. |
| 14:23.39 | arlecchino | i find in channel list |
| 14:23.43 | petn-randall | arlecchino: We told you on this channel, and the other Debian channel that you need to join the other network. |
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| 14:24.05 | arlecchino | but parrot |
| 14:24.08 | arlecchino | not are |
| 14:24.13 | jelly | arlecchino: you can probably install one, eg. irssi, then connect to irc.frozenbox.org server |
| 14:24.21 | arlecchino | meh ok |
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| 14:28.34 | dgriffi | jelly: poking around in /usr/lib/autoconf/lang.m4, I see that something like AC_LANG_CONFTEST has something to do with what I want, but it wants more... so I do it, but it doesn't see that. |
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| 14:43.54 | petn-randall | passes the slash along to mnf. |
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| 15:11.50 | MikeDebian | Hello all. I'm trying to boot debian 8.7 / 8.5 installers from a USB pen drive on a Dell Server T30. The uefi system doesn't recognize the pen and thus it won't boot |
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| 15:12.41 | MikeDebian | I already tried different pens, same result. these same pens work in other dell machines |
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| 15:13.03 | MikeDebian | also booted debian from an external hard drive and the system can mount those pens |
| 15:13.05 | petn-randall | MikeDebian: How did you prepare the USB sticks? |
| 15:13.32 | MikeDebian | the way I did with all the others which allowed me 2 install debian on 2 machines so far. on a dell laptop and on a dell server T20 |
| 15:13.43 | MikeDebian | mkfs.vfat /dev/XXX |
| 15:13.46 | MikeDebian | to format it |
| 15:13.51 | MikeDebian | cp debian.iso /dev/XXX |
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| 15:13.52 | MikeDebian | sync |
| 15:14.56 | MikeDebian | these same pens I'm trying to use on the T30 can perfectly boot into the debian installer from my dell laptop |
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| 15:16.34 | jelly | MikeDebian: what was the exact /dev/XXX used? |
| 15:16.47 | jelly | (also, there's no need to format it beforehand) |
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| 15:17.22 | MikeDebian | /dev/sdb1 as it was assigned |
| 15:17.35 | jelly | MikeDebian: it ought to have been /dev/sdb not /dev/sdb1 |
| 15:17.47 | Renari | So apparently I screwed up my kernel or my filesystem in some way, and I'm looking for help repairing it. I'd be willing to throw a few dollars someones way for help since I don't know what I'm doing. |
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| 15:18.18 | zykotick9 | MikeDebian: also, note the Debian Live images don't support UEFI... |
| 15:20.43 | MikeDebian | on the previous machines I installed it on uefi mode |
| 15:20.45 | Renari | It's worth mentioning that when I boot the system it says there are feature incompatibilities mounting sda2 and sda3, I tried reinstalling the kernel using chroot on a live cd but it seems the kernal installed in sda1 was the newest. |
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| 15:21.07 | Renari | So I'm not sure what my problem is. |
| 15:21.14 | jelly | Renari: which debian release are you supposed to be running? |
| 15:21.24 | Renari | It was on debian unstable. |
| 15:21.33 | Renari | Uh jessie that is. |
| 15:21.39 | jelly | yeaaaaaah. |
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| 15:22.10 | Renari | What happened was I tried to install chromium, and during the installation it asked me about doing something stupid, and I put faith in the chroimum install script. |
| 15:22.27 | Renari | Seems it removed or replaced some stuff that I really shouldn't have and now the system doesn't boot. |
| 15:22.30 | jelly | Renari: okay, boot some livecd, then pastebin the output of "lsblk" and "blkid" for a start |
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| 15:23.08 | MikeDebian | I've already burnt the iso to sdb and not sdb1. lets see if that stupid mistake solves the issue |
| 15:24.19 | MikeDebian | well it does solve it :) already booted from the usb stick. Thank you jelly |
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| 15:24.25 | jelly | cheers |
| 15:24.38 | jelly | dpkg, tell Renari2 about paste |
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| 15:26.08 | Renari2 | jelly: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/fda058fc101bef4a61d143c7f70d8c23 |
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| 15:27.04 | petn-randall | MikeDebian: I'm actually surprised the other machines could boot from the ISO being on /dev/sdb1. Guess I didn't know that Dell machines have this feature. |
| 15:27.40 | MikeDebian | petn-randall, honestly I guess I haven't done that mistake when burning the iso into the pen for the other machines |
| 15:27.48 | MikeDebian | but can't really remember.. not sure |
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| 15:28.38 | jelly | Renari2: looks like /dev/sda1 is your linux installation, mount it, chroot into that mountpoint, then pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" and "lsb_release -a" |
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| 15:31.11 | Renari2 | jelly: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/905b7a5f260f7dbb4b42b9a27a2ff5ef |
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| 15:35.26 | Renari2 | jelly: if you'd like I can open a remote desktop session using anydesk |
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| 15:37.48 | c1a551f1ed | I think jelly charges for that. |
| 15:38.17 | Renari2 | That's fine, I already said when I joined that I'd be willing to pay someone to get this fixed. |
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| 15:46.08 | jhutchins_wk | Renari2: The general idea here is that we help you learn to take care of the problems yourself. |
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| 15:46.39 | jhutchins_wk | Renari2: We encourage you to be involved and take ownership of the work. |
| 15:47.14 | dgriffi | what was the last distro to include QT3? |
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| 15:49.49 | Walakea | openscenegraph-doc/jessie seems to have no content on their html pages |
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| 15:55.30 | jelly | Renari: looks like you installed a number of packages from sid into that previously jessie system |
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| 15:57.56 | Renari2 | jelly: yes, at one point I had issues with outdated compilers preventing me from running things I needed |
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| 15:58.32 | Renari2 | I just installed linux-image-4.9.0-2-amd64:amd64, hoping this helps. |
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| 15:58.51 | jelly | Renari2: look at the contents of /var/log/apt/; pastebin the latest non-empty log (zcat blah.gz if it's compressed) |
| 15:58.55 | jelly | logs* |
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| 15:59.14 | jelly | (both history.log and term.log latest) |
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| 16:01.07 | Renari2 | jelly: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/ea751cc2cd393a848a4004959e5dd1be |
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| 16:01.59 | jelly | so you basically attempted to do a release upgrade to sid |
| 16:02.20 | Renari2 | o-oh |
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| 16:03.26 | jelly | Renari2: lines starting with Remove: say you accepted apt's proposal of removing many interesting packages |
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| 16:04.49 | Renari2 | Yes, specifically the chromium install line removed a ton of packages that shouldn't have been removed. |
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| 16:09.07 | jhutchins_wk | Once again, Squirrelmail's send button sends but does not refresh the page. Recovered spontaneously on Friday. |
| 16:09.19 | Walakea | are the documentation html files provided by jessie package openscenegraph-doc supposed to be blank with only header visible? i don't think so |
| 16:09.28 | jelly | Renari2: reinstall what you think is important from that list. If you're using gnome, perhaps starting with task-gnome-desktop |
| 16:10.09 | Renari2 | jelly: I was using cinnamon, I actually noticed that was missing before attempting to reboot and reinstalled that already. |
| 16:10.35 | jelly | task-cinnamon-desktop then? Not sure if that's the right name |
| 16:10.49 | jelly | ,v task-cinnamon-desktop |
| 16:10.50 | judd | Package: task-cinnamon-desktop on amd64 -- jessie: 3.31+deb8u1; sid: 3.39; stretch: 3.39 |
| 16:10.55 | jelly | right |
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| 16:11.46 | jelly | Renari2: if/when that succeeds, do an "apt-get dist-upgrade", and you'll have a somewhat more complete sid installation. There's no way to downgrade apart from a reinstall. |
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| 16:12.37 | Renari2 | Alright, I'll try that, thanks. |
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| 16:17.14 | cj101 | Hi, for some reason I can't seem to statically assign an IP address to eth0. when set to DHCP it picks up an address and works, but when static no address at all. Any ideas? |
| 16:17.37 | petemc | did you bring the interface up after configuring a static address |
| 16:17.38 | petemc | ? |
| 16:17.53 | code1o6 | I'm having an issue with my audio. Everytttime my computer hibernates/sleep I loose audio. If I open settings it works again? any advice or way o debug this issue |
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| 16:18.06 | cj101 | /etc/init.d/networking restart (with auto eth0 in interfaces) |
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| 16:18.38 | petemc | cj101: can you show your /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 16:18.47 | petemc | on a pastebin |
| 16:19.01 | cj101 | one sec |
| 16:21.44 | jelly | Renari: since the plan is for you to be a proud bleeding edge sid user, consider reading: /msg dpkg debian-next, /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 16:22.55 | cj101 | http://pastebin.ca/3790993 |
| 16:23.14 | jelly | Renari: alternatively, once you get this mess running well enough, consider doing a fresh installation of stretch (current "testing", likely to become Debian 9 release this year) and migrating useful data to that |
| 16:23.32 | cj101 | If you see a typo in that then check with me first as I had to hand type that into pastebin |
| 16:23.40 | petemc | yeah doesnt work |
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| 16:24.23 | cj101 | petemc, are you telling me that wont work? |
| 16:24.40 | petemc | the link doesnt work. |
| 16:24.44 | Renari | Thanks jelly after running the dist-upgrade the system booted successfully. |
| 16:24.56 | Renari | I'll read the stuff you linked. |
| 16:25.40 | cj101 | https://pastebin.com/4DDvN4iT |
| 16:25.43 | cj101 | try that one |
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| 16:26.16 | han-solo | jelly : have you used kde-plasma-dekstop? |
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| 16:27.48 | jelly | han-solo: I'm using kde4 on jessie right now |
| 16:27.56 | petemc | cj101: that looks ok. does neither eth0 or eth1 show an address after restarting networking ? |
| 16:28.15 | cj101 | eth1 has an address but eth0 does not |
| 16:28.24 | han-solo | how that in relation to gnome? |
| 16:28.49 | petemc | cj101: and if you do ifup eth0 ? |
| 16:29.06 | jelly | han-solo: I haven't touch gnome since gnome 2 so it's hard to say |
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| 16:29.22 | han-solo | okay |
| 16:29.25 | cj101 | aha, missing address |
| 16:29.51 | cj101 | adderss instead of address |
| 16:30.28 | Renari | jelly, "i.e. make sure that you do not remove a plethora of packages you need by blindly accepting the proposed action" |
| 16:30.35 | Renari | hmmmm |
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| 16:31.40 | cj101 | Working now. I feel like a muppet lol |
| 16:32.16 | petemc | happens to the best of us |
| 16:32.21 | jelly | Renari: apt-get's user interface often leads a user to ingore the scrolled-off part of the output, you're not the first or the last one to have accidentally that part |
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| 16:33.46 | jelly | Renari: root cause, even if it's too late to say it now, is "do NOT, EVER, mix repos of newer debian branches into an installation of stable" |
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| 16:34.25 | jelly | inevitably leads to trouble for the unwary |
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| 16:35.27 | jelly | there are other methods to get newer versions of (some) software into stable and not break it in the process, like "backports" |
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| 16:36.23 | Renari | Yeah, I don't recall what it was off the top of my head. I believe I needed a newer version of gcc to compile something. |
| 16:36.40 | jelly | snakes and adderss? |
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| 17:29.35 | injustice | starting from a debian stretch install, i am trying to first upgrade the kernel to 4.11-rc5, then enable a kdump kernel. if i do this from the stock kernel (4.9.0), i get the dump written to /var/crash after triggering a panic. if i do this from the 4.11-rc5 kernel using the same config (plus defaults for new options), kexec fails with 'ELF core parse failed' |
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| 17:33.47 | BluesKaj | injustice, obviously the 4.11-rc5 kernel isn't suitable yet |
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| 17:34.49 | injustice | BluesKaj: i don't see why that is obvious. i mean it's a release candidate. why can't i use it for kexec?\ |
| 17:35.02 | c1a551f1ed | !testing |
| 17:35.02 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <stretch>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting . Support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and ask me about <testing faq> <jessie->stretch> <testing security> <moving target> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You need a sound knowledge of Debian and be prepared for a very bumpy ride. Don't use it on things that are critical! |
| 17:35.14 | backtrack | Does Debian use KDE 5 |
| 17:35.38 | injustice | BluesKaj: not to mention, I can't load the 4.9 kernel and initrd using kexec either |
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| 17:41.08 | BluesKaj | backtrack, debian stretch uses kde/plasama 5 if you choose it during the install |
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| 17:43.03 | BluesKaj | correctio: kde/plasma 5 backtrack |
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| 17:44.14 | brunus | hi all |
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| 17:45.26 | brunus | after a Stretch update/upgrade aborted, apt is seeking the Debians repositories on 127.0.0.1 port 9999 ... and of course it's not the IP of the Debian Repos I have in my sources.list |
| 17:45.41 | brunus | any idea on this strange prob ? thanks ! |
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| 17:49.27 | MikeDebian | is wakeonlan supposed to work on Debian 8 from a shutdown. it is working from a suspend but no from a shutdown. bios seems to be properly configured to allow it |
| 17:49.30 | MikeDebian | ? |
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| 17:59.36 | BluesKaj | MikeDebian, it works on machines which have motherboards or network cards that support 'Wake-on-Lan' packets. That's what my software manger says. Do you have etherwake installed? |
| 18:00.30 | BluesKaj | !etherwake |
| 18:00.35 | MikeDebian | the machine is a Dell Server T30 with an integrated network card and the motherboard supports wakeonlan |
| 18:00.49 | MikeDebian | it is enabled in the bios |
| 18:01.23 | MikeDebian | im sending wol packages from another machine and it does work if it is in suspended mode but not if I shut it down |
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| 18:02.22 | jhutchins_wk | MikeDebian: I believe that's expected behavior. |
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| 18:03.07 | jhutchins_wk | MikeDebian: It's "wake", not "power on". The OS isn't available to listen to the packets if it's powered off. |
| 18:03.47 | jhutchins_wk | brunus: Strange entries in you hosts file? |
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| 18:05.10 | MikeDebian | it is not the OS that handles the magic packets, it is the motherboard i think... |
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| 18:06.50 | c1a551f1ed | The hardware has to support powering on via WoL. Typically, it's only wake from suspend. |
| 18:07.08 | jhutchins_wk | MikeDebian: It, too, is powered down. Think about it - first thing it's going to do is POST, then load the BIOS. If that hasn't happened yet, how does it turn on? |
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| 18:07.56 | jhutchins_wk | MikeDebian: The network card has to have power. |
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| 18:08.06 | MikeDebian | when I shut it down the network card keeps ON and blinks when sending the wol packet but doesn't wake up |
| 18:08.28 | MikeDebian | the power to the network card is not cut when shutting down if the WOL feature is enabled in the bios |
| 18:09.03 | jhutchins_wk | MikeDebian: I really don't know the details, I would not expect a cold start to work but I may be wrong. |
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| 18:09.20 | c1a551f1ed | jhutchins_wk: Some hardware sets can do it, but it requires hardware and OS compatibility. |
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| 18:09.35 | MikeDebian | yes, that's right |
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| 18:10.04 | jhutchins_wk | c1a551f1ed: Shouldn't depend on the OS if the OS isn't loaded yet. |
| 18:10.27 | c1a551f1ed | jhutchins_wk: It does depend on OS support. Windows 8 and later, for example, won't do power on via WoL even if the hardware supports it. |
| 18:10.39 | MikeDebian | that would make sense but the OS really needs to be compatible because when shutting down it must require the hardware to keep some feature alive in order to get the magic packets |
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| 18:11.06 | c1a551f1ed | jhutchins_wk: Specifically because the OS disables WoL arming when shutting down into S4/S5 power states. |
| 18:11.15 | jhutchins_wk | I would expect that to be up to the BIOS. |
| 18:11.55 | c1a551f1ed | jhutchins_wk: That's how it works. Dunno what else to tell you. |
| 18:12.10 | c1a551f1ed | MikeDebian: It may be that your hardware only supports WoL from S3, and not power states lower than that. |
| 18:12.29 | Walakea | are the documentation html files provided by jessie package openscenegraph-doc supposed to be blank with only header visible? i don't think so |
| 18:13.01 | MikeDebian | yes, it is up to the BIOS but also up to the OS like c1a551f1ed because of shutdown hardware procedures |
| 18:13.25 | c1a551f1ed | MikeDebian: I don't believe there's any facility within Linux that explicitly disables the WoL arming state when shutting down. |
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| 18:14.06 | MikeDebian | I think it should support WOL from S4 and S5 once there's an option in the bios saying "LAN with PXE Boot" -> "A wakeup packet sent to the system in either S4 or S5 state will cause the system to wake-up and immediately boot to PXE" |
| 18:14.46 | c1a551f1ed | MikeDebian: That to me sounds like it will only boot to a PXE option, rather than from disk. |
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| 18:15.32 | MikeDebian | that's option is under Wake On LAN settings |
| 18:16.10 | MikeDebian | "LAN Only" option says "Allow the system to be powered on by special LAN signals" |
| 18:16.25 | MikeDebian | "powered on" sounds like powered on and not only waking |
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| 18:16.45 | c1a551f1ed | MikeDebian: I'd agree, but I've seen some pretty terrible BIOS menu design. |
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| 18:17.16 | c1a551f1ed | MikeDebian: None of this really sounds like a Debian issue. This sounds more an issue of what the system is expecting to trigger a wake. If you have a spare system to test with, you can use etherwake to test it out. |
| 18:17.37 | MikeDebian | and the main statement says "This option allows the computer to power up from the off state when triggered by a special LAN signal. Wakeup from the standby state is unaffected by this setting and must be enabled in the operating system. This feature only works when the computer is connected do AC" |
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| 18:18.11 | MikeDebian | this also seems to say it supports wol from s4/s5 |
| 18:18.18 | c1a551f1ed | I'd agree. |
| 18:18.41 | MikeDebian | and it's curious that it says it is not affected by the standby state, I guess suspend state, right? |
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| 18:19.43 | Hestben | MikeDebian: There may be more settings you need to enable in BIOS. |
| 18:20.09 | Hestben | Like a general setting for the BIOS to allow wakeups from various events, such as "power restored" |
| 18:20.27 | MikeDebian | maybe but couldn't find any other so far |
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| 18:21.02 | MikeDebian | the output of "cat /proc/acpi/wakeup" |
| 18:21.14 | Hestben | During my tests with WoL, I saw that the computer didn't wake up after it had been plugged into power, but needed to be started at least once since last power outage for WoL to work. |
| 18:21.16 | MikeDebian | doesnt mentioned anything enabled for s4 and s5 states... that may say something |
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| 18:22.14 | MikeDebian | Hestben, that makes some sense once the OS needs to enable some feature related to WOL when shutting down |
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| 18:22.25 | MikeDebian | and I guess this is where the problem is currently |
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| 18:22.36 | Hestben | MikeDebian: May be, I don |
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| 18:22.48 | Hestben | don't know more, I'm afraid |
| 18:22.55 | MikeDebian | thank you anyway |
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| 18:30.45 | jhutchins_wk | Walakea is never gonna get an answer if he doesn't stick around. |
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| 18:31.52 | jhutchins_wk | The problem is that it's not consistently implemented in the BIOS. |
| 18:32.06 | jhutchins_wk | (The WoL problem) |
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| 18:42.31 | brunus | jhutchins_wk, good suggestion, I'm verifying |
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| 18:46.34 | xpk | sup fellas, just confirming: 'zip' doesn't come with jessie stable? it requires an apt install? |
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| 18:48.35 | TomTomTosch | xpk: that's right. |
| 18:48.46 | xpk | word, thanks |
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| 18:52.43 | bin_bash | tar doesnt come with centos lmao |
| 18:52.49 | bin_bash | well the minimal core install at least |
| 18:52.56 | bin_bash | kind of a glaring thing to leave out, imo |
| 18:52.59 | bin_bash | also manpages |
| 18:53.31 | `Kevin | id prefer minimal to be stripped down as much as possible outside of package manager |
| 18:53.39 | bin_bash | i agree to an extent... |
| 18:53.47 | bin_bash | i think tar is pretty important though |
| 18:53.47 | xpk | it's just funny because |
| 18:53.50 | xpk | zip, tar, man |
| 18:53.52 | xpk | cmon |
| 18:53.59 | bin_bash | say you have to manually install a driver in order to get network access |
| 18:54.04 | bin_bash | chances are that driver is tar'd |
| 18:54.12 | `Kevin | and also needs gcc etc :) |
| 18:54.12 | bin_bash | now you have to manually install tar... |
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| 18:54.38 | bin_bash | im all about being minimal |
| 18:54.43 | bin_bash | i mean i run arch on my laptops |
| 18:54.45 | bin_bash | so i get it |
| 18:54.56 | bin_bash | i just personally think that tar and man are kind of necessary for installation |
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| 18:57.03 | blackflow | nah, there'll be systemctl --untar --gunzip somefile.tar.gz soon, so... :) |
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| 18:57.26 | bin_bash | and i dont like that |
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| 19:02.04 | somiaj | fail to see how this is a #debian issue, tar is a required package so should be present on all debian systems. |
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| 19:04.22 | jhutchins_wk | zip, on the other hand, is a MS protocol and optional. |
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| 19:20.09 | bin_bash | somiaj: we were having a discussion based on an on-topic question. that's allowed, yes? |
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| 19:27.29 | DammitJim | Linux uses some kind of timezone standard, right? |
| 19:27.59 | DammitJim | like, I don't think there is a way to set a system to NOT use EDT if one is in an Eastern Time Zone, right? |
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| 19:29.12 | Hydroxide | DammitJim: there is. what do you want? if you want Eastern Standard Time year round, aka five hours earlier than UTC, you can do TZ=EST5. but that rarely reflects real-world circumstances. (I had one employer who used that on servers. seriously.) |
| 19:29.15 | bin_bash | you can set your timezone to be whatever you want |
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| 19:30.01 | mutante | if you have more than one computer in one timezone, i would really recommend to just run them all with UTC as system time |
| 19:30.06 | DammitJim | oh, I thought it wasn't that straight forward |
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| 19:30.26 | DammitJim | where do I set this TZ=EST5? |
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| 19:49.56 | c1a551f1ed | DammitJim: man tzselect |
| 19:50.45 | DammitJim | thanks |
| 19:50.53 | c1a551f1ed | That's one way. timedatectl doesn't work with those kinds of offsets. |
| 19:51.36 | c1a551f1ed | Wait a sec. I think tzselect only changes it for your current shell. |
| 19:52.00 | c1a551f1ed | DammitJim: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 19:52.04 | c1a551f1ed | DammitJim: That one. |
| 19:52.28 | DammitJim | oh |
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| 20:13.29 | JordiGH | Frozen means nothing goes into unstable except security, right? |
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| 20:13.45 | JordiGH | Got someone in #mercurial unhappy about the current version in unstable. |
| 20:13.50 | JordiGH | Wonder if I can please him. |
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| 20:18.51 | jhutchins_wk | JordiGH: Only if you build it from upstream. |
| 20:19.50 | JordiGH | jhutchins_wk: I can't get it into Debian, right? |
| 20:19.57 | jhutchins_wk | Actually, I think it's possible to disable DST changes. |
| 20:20.23 | JordiGH | Daylights Savings Time? |
| 20:20.39 | jhutchins_wk | JordiGH: Probably not right now, but possibly soon. They're reviewing the release notes, which means we're getting close. |
| 20:21.00 | JordiGH | I can't tell what you're replying to. |
| 20:21.23 | jhutchins_wk | JordiGH: Is this guy actually running unstable, or does he just think there's a problem with that particular version? |
| 20:21.26 | missmbob | not cloose...still over 200 RC bugs |
| 20:21.29 | missmbob | close* |
| 20:21.51 | JordiGH | jhutchins_wk: This guy just wants Debian to have a version of his software that is newer than 5 months. |
| 20:22.17 | missmbob | he just has to wait |
| 20:22.23 | JordiGH | He's not really running Debian at all. He just wants his stuff to be packaged timely. |
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| 20:22.31 | jhutchins_wk | JordiGH: He should consider working with the package maintainer then. |
| 20:22.46 | JordiGH | Yeah, Javi seems to work alone. |
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| 20:23.03 | jhutchins_wk | JordiGH: What's in the release will necessarily be older though. |
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| 20:23.24 | jhutchins_wk | JordiGH: The maintainers do apply patches where reasonable, and for significant changes there are backports. |
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| 20:24.13 | jhutchins_wk | JordiGH: So a debian version number and an upstream version number might not really correspond if the older Debian version has been patched. |
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| 20:25.02 | JordiGH | No, no, this is Javi not having done any hg work for the past 5 months. |
| 20:25.12 | JordiGH | And an upstream hg dev upset about it. |
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| 20:25.51 | missmbob | transition freeze began in nov. release takes a long time |
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| 20:26.22 | jhutchins_wk | JordiGH: It's not like we pay the packagers. |
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| 20:27.34 | wizardedit | hi there. Could someone with devscripts installed tell me if checkbashisms --version actually shows the version string? I'm using it on Gentoo where it doesn't, wanted to make sure it works upstream before filing a bug report: This is checkbashisms, from the Debian devscripts package, version ###VERSION### |
| 20:28.06 | JordiGH | jhutchins_wk: Yeah, I know. |
| 20:28.21 | emax0075 | I am tryin to install OpenVPN, but I don't have "TUN", anyone see that before? |
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| 20:28.37 | emax0075 | If I run "lsmod | grep tun" there is nothing there |
| 20:28.58 | emax0075 | and "modprobe tun" fails. I am stumped |
| 20:29.04 | JordiGH | We've been slushy since November? |
| 20:29.05 | jhutchins_wk | emax0075: I think you don't have tun until you establish a connection. |
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| 20:29.15 | missmbob | JordiGH: yes |
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| 20:30.10 | emax0075 | I cannot start openvpn, because it cannot open TUN |
| 20:30.53 | emax0075 | My error is: ERROR: Cannot open TUN/TAP dev /dev/net/tun: Operation not permitted (errno=1) |
| 20:33.48 | Poster | emax0075: If this is an OpenVZ based VPS, you may need to ask your VPS provider to enable it |
| 20:34.29 | emax0075 | I should have mentioned that, thanks poster. I did enable it, but the issue persists |
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| 20:34.39 | Poster | have you rebooted the guest? |
| 20:34.44 | emax0075 | yes |
| 20:34.52 | Poster | ok and are you starting the daemon as root? |
| 20:35.11 | teraflops | emax0075: sometimes you can enable it from the admin panel |
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| 20:36.06 | emax0075 | the openVPN daemon |
| 20:36.09 | emax0075 | ? |
| 20:36.14 | Poster | yeah |
| 20:36.22 | emax0075 | I did enable it from the admin panel, thank you teraflops |
| 20:36.30 | teraflops | emax0075: ah |
| 20:36.31 | Poster | you can run it from the commandline with openvpn --config /etc/openvpn/whatever.conf |
| 20:36.48 | emax0075 | one sec poster |
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| 20:39.14 | emax0075 | I am starting the daemon as root |
| 20:39.30 | emax0075 | at least I am right now, because of the permission denied error |
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| 20:40.42 | emax0075 | I had create my "/dev/net/tun" using a guide on the internet |
| 20:41.11 | emax0075 | If I modprobe tun, I get a nasty error |
| 20:42.24 | jhutchins_wk | emax0075: Sounds like something isn't right with the creation process. |
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| 20:42.48 | jhutchins_wk | emax0075: That _should_ be handled by the package &or dependencies. |
| 20:43.14 | jhutchins_wk | emax0075: I've only set up VPN a couple of times, but I never had to mess with devices. |
| 20:43.44 | jhutchins_wk | emax0075: Which release? Standard debian repos? |
| 20:43.49 | c1a551f1ed | OpenVPN should be capable of creating the necessary device itself. I've never had to do so manually. |
| 20:44.00 | emax0075 | debian 8, I htink |
| 20:44.14 | emax0075 | deb 8.7 |
| 20:44.41 | c1a551f1ed | And the tun driver and tunX interfaces are loaded whenever the process itself starts, not when a client connects. |
| 20:44.50 | petn-randall | emax0075: Are you running some spin-off like raspbian? |
| 20:44.54 | emax0075 | nope |
| 20:45.02 | jhutchins_wk | claritty: Oh, right. Server side. |
| 20:45.05 | emax0075 | it is on openVZ |
| 20:45.29 | emax0075 | tun module doesn't exist |
| 20:45.42 | emax0075 | let me recreate the VM |
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| 20:47.47 | jhutchins_wk | emax0075: Are you using a pre-built image? |
| 20:48.05 | emax0075 | Nope. debain 8 x64 minimal |
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| 20:48.41 | missmbob | openvz is so old and crap |
| 20:48.43 | missmbob | "Deprecated in Debian (bug #574529) and not supported for the Debian 7" |
| 20:48.45 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/574529 in release-notes (closed): «release-notes: [SQUEEZE] vserver kernel flavors deprecated»; severity: normal; opened: 2010-03-18; last modified: 2010-12-28. |
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| 20:49.26 | missmbob | you really should get a real vm |
| 20:49.43 | emax0075 | but it's sooooo cheap |
| 20:49.57 | missmbob | and broken |
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| 20:50.28 | Plushfish | Hi |
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| 20:51.16 | Plushfish | I'm compiling a linux kernel from the original source (www.kernel.org) and need to know how to create a .deb package ... I have read that there are multiple ways to do it, but I'd like to know what the best way is |
| 20:51.33 | missmbob | !kernel handbook |
| 20:51.33 | dpkg | The Debian Linux Kernel Handbook http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ - packaged as debian-kernel-handbook since Debian 7 "Wheezy" - serves as a single access point to all kernel-related documentation. See chapter 4.2 to rebuild official Debian kernel packages, see chapter 4.5 to build a custom kernel from Debian kernel source. |
| 20:51.37 | missmbob | that way |
| 20:52.06 | Plushfish | Well, I need a newer kernel |
| 20:52.12 | Plushfish | not the one in /usr/src/ |
| 20:52.13 | missmbob | that's fine. read it |
| 20:52.17 | missmbob | it tells you how |
| 20:52.22 | Plushfish | Okay, thank you |
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| 20:55.51 | jhutchins_wk | ,kernels |
| 20:56.18 | jhutchins_wk | I've run virtualbox on both Linux and Windows and been pretty impressed. |
| 20:56.24 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.10.0-rc6-686-pae (4.10~rc6-1~exp2); sid: 4.9.0-2-686 (4.9.18-1); stretch: 4.9.0-2-686 (4.9.13-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.9.13-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.86-1) |
| 20:56.46 | jhutchins_wk | Plushfish: What kernel do you need, and why? |
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| 21:42.12 | amflir | how stable is stretch for desktop usage? |
| 21:42.43 | mutante | amflir: almost stable, it's already frozen |
| 21:43.13 | mutante | amflir: not much will change anymore before it offically becomes stable. totally do it for desktop i'd say at this point |
| 21:46.11 | blackflow | amflir: I run stretch on my primary work desktop. No problems encountered, except NetworkManager not being able to connect to wifi (so I have to manually with wpa_supplicant). |
| 21:46.41 | awal1 | amflir, unstable and testing branches are always good for desktop usage, no production/work; almost if you avoid big DE, such as gnome, kde &cinnamon |
| 21:47.46 | awal1 | I use unstable daily, home use, since 3 years now, and all the time all fine |
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| 21:48.03 | awal1 | well, almost 4 years :P |
| 21:49.31 | awal1 | no comparison with debian stability outside there |
| 21:49.55 | awal1 | I heard that slackware is also stable |
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| 21:50.52 | teraflops | awal1: hmm I dont thing recommending sid is a good idea ;P |
| 21:51.19 | awal1 | ubuntu, archlinux,fedora... âââ |
| 21:51.38 | awal1 | teraflops, well, he said for desktop usage |
| 21:51.46 | teraflops | awal1: well, stability whatever that means/implies |
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| 21:51.55 | awal1 | if for desktop usage, home/daily use , why not |
| 21:52.02 | missmbob | no one who has to ask should be recommended unstable |
| 21:52.07 | jelly | good luck with your "stability" after the release |
| 21:52.14 | teraflops | missmbob: yeah |
| 21:52.21 | code1o6 | Is it possible to install ntop in kali linux? |
| 21:52.30 | abrotman | code1o6: there's a channel for Kali ,this isn't it |
| 21:52.44 | jelly | code1o6, probably, but ask in #kali-linux |
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| 21:54.25 | jelly | or it you already have, wait for their answer patiently |
| 21:54.54 | awal1 | teraflops, well, personally I don't have the syndrome of bleeding edge |
| 21:55.28 | awal1 | amflir, I may be wrong yeah; people here are right: don't use testing/unstable if not used to them and have only one machine |
| 21:55.42 | code1o6 | abrotman, I did already not response |
| 21:55.47 | abrotman | code1o6: then be patient |
| 21:56.02 | jelly | !kali |
| 21:56.03 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
| 21:56.14 | teraflops | awal1: yeah unless youre using git youre not bleeding edge |
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| 21:57.24 | code1o6 | I feel i've been hacked cause it would appear it should be built in my os. http://tools.kali.org/information-gathering/ntop |
| 21:58.10 | teraflops | code1o6: your hacking distro was hacked? |
| 21:58.13 | teraflops | ^ |
| 21:58.15 | awal1 | teraflops, well, I'm planning to leave unstable and run only stable in all my machines. that's bcoz I have no time for manage upgrades, bugs... and take care of my systems all the time. I'll switch to stretch when released |
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| 21:58.45 | code1o6 | teraflops, lol It's only be up two days |
| 21:58.55 | code1o6 | *been |
| 21:58.57 | missmbob | code1o6: it's off topic here. you've been told already |
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| 21:59.27 | teraflops | awal1: stretch is fine I guess, but do not misunderstand what I said, it's just neither of those distros nor sid are bleeding edge |
| 22:00.46 | awal1 | teraflops, you are right |
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| 22:05.37 | Enrico_Menotti | Hello. I am running Jessie from a live CD on an old laptop. I need to increase the aufs size. Is that possible? |
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| 22:09.56 | sine0 | folks im stressing. i know this is not quite your bag but you are the guys to knwo |
| 22:10.23 | sine0 | how can you find the relative path to a a file like images on a web server |
| 22:10.41 | sine0 | i thought that ../../ would double back |
| 22:11.25 | mutante | sine0: since it's relative, it's all relative |
| 22:11.30 | mutante | i mean, depends where you are |
| 22:11.34 | sine0 | haha |
| 22:11.41 | sine0 | "its all relative maaaaaan" |
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| 22:12.05 | mutante | yea, dude, but you can use "find" to find yourself some images, man |
| 22:12.15 | sine0 | /home/public_html/images/hot.jpg /home/public_html/index.php |
| 22:12.40 | sine0 | I have tried so many variations in the a href of hte image |
| 22:12.46 | mutante | sine0: that looks like it's missing the user name in the path |
| 22:13.01 | sine0 | im on a hosting platform i cant get back that far |
| 22:14.11 | mutante | sine0: ok, so if you refer to hot.jpg from index.php then use "./images/hot.jpg" as the relative path |
| 22:14.13 | de-facto | hmm does debian provide any library for the cpp 11 function std::put_time? |
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| 22:18.02 | TomTomTosch | de-facto: it's in the standard library, defined in the iomanip header. |
| 22:18.14 | de-facto | not for me i think |
| 22:18.33 | de-facto | i greped for it in the whole /usr/include and it doesnt seem to be in any of the files tehre |
| 22:18.43 | de-facto | might be only in gcc5 or such |
| 22:19.14 | de-facto | yet the iomanip is there without it though |
| 22:19.28 | de-facto | are there any fallbacks i could use? |
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| 22:26.21 | Enrico_Menotti | Anybody may help me with my question? (Don't want to be insistent, maybe nobody noticed it.) |
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| 22:38.28 | sorrySusan | <SELECT>//SYSLIST//...pinG=[total]?=VERSIOn1010101001 |
| 22:40.00 | mcintosh | yes |
| 22:40.01 | sorrySusan | what..a re you all too stupid to speak back |
| 22:40.03 | sorrySusan | I see... |
| 22:40.25 | sorrySusan | BREAK="Ice.Collectory..YyYyYy//=LAG.../? |
| 22:40.48 | sorrySusan | Good,... how bout that |
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| 22:42.10 | sorrySusan | haha |
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| 22:43.46 | c1a551f1ed | sorrySusan: Do you have a Debian support issue? |
| 22:43.59 | sorrySusan | Seriously? |
| 22:44.10 | sorrySusan | are you... Edging me |
| 22:44.20 | c1a551f1ed | sorrySusan: Yes, seriously. |
| 22:44.33 | sorrySusan | To your lose |
| 22:45.11 | sorrySusan | 31.56.71.3 |
| 22:45.16 | sorrySusan | Dallas? |
| 22:45.24 | sorrySusan | probablistic |
| 22:45.40 | sorrySusan | Your best stories are now your worst enemies... haha |
| 22:45.41 | kline | sorrySusan, probably best to cut the nonsense, thanks |
| 22:47.39 | sorrySusan | Oh... |
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| 22:50.56 | alekz | Hi guys! I was about comming here for some freezing support, but I noticed is not an OS related problem. You know any channel where I can get help troubleshooting PSU or MoBo? |
| 22:51.11 | Papillon | search the channel list for hardware? |
| 22:51.17 | Papillon | maybe ##hardware? |
| 22:51.37 | Papillon | generally you just swap in something that probably works, like swap a new psu |
| 22:51.41 | Papillon | or if you have a spare mobo |
| 22:52.17 | sorrySusan | lmfao |
| 22:52.19 | alekz | that's the problem, I don't have any haha |
| 22:52.39 | alekz | I'll try to borrow a PSU |
| 22:52.44 | Papillon | well I suppose you could try to test the psu with a multimeter |
| 22:52.56 | sorrySusan | msg..//pop.Startup.Rerun.Register=Sumblime. |
| 22:53.06 | alekz | Do you have any spare psu you can send to Mexico? |
| 22:53.07 | alekz | jk |
| 22:53.07 | missmbob | depending on the psu type you can jump it with a paperclip to force it on. google it |
| 22:53.08 | alekz | xD |
| 22:53.27 | Plushfish | What's going on here? |
| 22:53.27 | alekz | thanks missmbob, I'll google it |
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| 23:25.02 | awal1 | any virtual keyboard DE independent apart xvlbd & florence? |
| 23:25.14 | awal1 | xvkbd |
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| 23:32.42 | thecha | i am trying to change the ownership of a folder on a nas with "sudo chown www-data:www-data /media/nas" but it replies: changing of ownership ~file~ not permitted, what to do? |
| 23:33.12 | missmbob | the fs of the nas doesnt allow it. probably ntfs |
| 23:33.34 | thecha | ah because ntfs doesnt even have ownership? |
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| 23:33.48 | missmbob | no linux file attributes in ntfs |
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| 23:34.07 | thecha | but when you go check it shows nimby:nimby as owner and group |
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| 23:34.31 | thecha | with xlr xdtew letters permissions type things on the side |
| 23:35.00 | missmbob | yeah. that's ntfs-3g magic |
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| 23:35.28 | thecha | yeah right |
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| 23:35.44 | thecha | maybe i didnt install ntfs-3g but my nas is still in tha tmode? |
| 23:35.58 | c1a551f1ed | thecha: I assume it's mounted over the network. CIFS/Samba? |
| 23:36.03 | thecha | so how can i change what apears to be ownership or what is displaed as it to www-data? |
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| 23:36.54 | missmbob | thecha: nimby probably owned the dir before you mounted it there. that's all |
| 23:37.27 | thecha | missmbobâ is there a way for www-data to be what nimby once was |
| 23:37.38 | kline | thecha, iirc you can set a mapping on the mounting daemon |
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| 23:37.54 | kline | i havent needed to do so since my old flatmate moved in, and theyve moved out since |
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| 23:38.14 | thecha | just mentioning is enough |
| 23:38.18 | thecha | i can google the details |
| 23:38.55 | kline | well, thats probably the best thing to do |
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| 23:39.05 | kline | look at mapping users for whatever tools you're using |
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| 23:55.08 | Ooze | Hi, I'm having fstab errors when I add some local mount points to my file. I think my network mount is attempting earlier than the service is available |
| 23:55.37 | Ooze | Here's my fstab file -- I've got a hunch there are some other things arwy as I'm currently seeing errors on boot https://paste.incorrigible.me/eqogalaher.hs |
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