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| 00:31.31 | Schwarzbaer_ | I think I just got stalonetray to run. Now that are some programs that show up in system trays? |
| 00:33.26 | missmbob | filezilla. deluge. keepassxc. pretty much anything you run with alltray |
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| 00:50.02 | Schwarzbaer_ | missmbob, any recommendations for WiFi control? Battery status? A clock? |
| 00:50.47 | Schwarzbaer_ | I mean, applications that don't *also* turn up in the systray, but are explicitly systray applications? |
| 00:50.56 | missmbob | Schwarzbaer_: i have no idea |
| 00:51.27 | Schwarzbaer_ | Too bad. Still, thanks. |
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| 01:04.07 | dvs | No, I am! ;-) |
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| 01:21.10 | seh1111 | just installed debian on my android |
| 01:21.49 | seh1111 | cant get the network/wifi to work, is there an aditional driver or utilities extension available via apt get? |
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| 01:51.38 | whetherever | Hi- when I install x11 packages, is there a way I can refuse certain dependencies, like drivers for video cards I don't actually need? |
| 01:52.05 | whetherever | I see a way with dpkg, but is there a way to do it with apt? |
| 01:55.06 | zykotick9 | whetherever: note, if you avoid the big xorg metapackages - it is possible to install a working xorg with only the driver packages you need <- BUT, it's probably NOT worth the effort - unless you're REALLY pressed for HD space... |
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| 01:58.10 | whetherever | zykotick9, it's for an SoC board, but you are right, everything comes out to 85 megs with JWM.. I guess I just wanted to be minimaler-than-thou :) |
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| 02:19.28 | Schwarzbaer_ | How can I automagically invoke programs (i.e. a lock screen) when acpi switches off my screen, or I close my notebooks lid and sleep mode gets engaged? |
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| 02:24.39 | jercos | Schwarzbaer_: https://wiki.debian.org/ScreenLockingOnSleep looks relevant. |
| 02:25.35 | Schwarzbaer_ | Thanks. |
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| 03:17.47 | tx | hey my dudes |
| 03:17.52 | tx | is deb.debian.org down for anyone else? |
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| 03:20.29 | dax | tx: works for me |
| 03:20.53 | gry | what are the symptoms |
| 03:21.44 | tx | heh |
| 03:21.53 | tx | looks like it's me and some broken dns :) |
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| 04:28.59 | ThePortWhisperer | hello |
| 04:29.29 | ThePortWhisperer | i added a network drive (google drive) to my debian box and it was hanging while listing files |
| 04:29.45 | ThePortWhisperer | added via "online accounts" native option.. |
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| 04:29.57 | ThePortWhisperer | i couldnt open "files" to view any directories via GUI |
| 04:30.27 | ThePortWhisperer | so i did shutdown now, i started back up, and now the boot process hangs at "[OK] Started User Manager for UID 132. |
| 04:30.27 | ThePortWhisperer | " |
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| 04:30.52 | ThePortWhisperer | supposedly its related to gnome hanging |
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| 05:55.51 | rue_bed | what version is wheezy/sid ? |
| 05:56.23 | awal1 | whezy 7+ |
| 05:56.24 | themill | a very outdate pre-release version of wheezy |
| 05:56.30 | awal1 | sid no version |
| 05:56.42 | rue_bed | oh thats confusing |
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| 05:57.01 | rue_bed | so is a wheezy/sid machine more or less out of date than 7.9 ? |
| 05:57.14 | themill | much much much more out of date |
| 05:57.19 | themill | it never got updated to 7.0 |
| 05:57.39 | awal1 | whezy/sid? |
| 05:57.43 | rue_bed | I only update it when I HAVE to, cause its always painfull |
| 05:57.53 | themill | it would be when you do unsupported things like that |
| 05:57.56 | rue_bed | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 05:57.56 | rue_bed | wheezy/sid |
| 05:58.03 | awal1 | ah, ok |
| 05:58.09 | awal1 | got it now |
| 05:58.25 | rue_bed | I used to do regular updates, and even in stable, things kept breaking |
| 05:58.53 | awal1 | wheezy/sid is like 6 years ago almost |
| 05:58.56 | awal1 | or + |
| 05:59.00 | rue_bed | and one day, glibc got an update that made ext2 not work |
| 05:59.15 | rue_bed | so I vowed to never do an update unless there was a NEED to |
| 05:59.23 | rue_bed | ok, cool |
| 05:59.27 | gry | you needed to have come here and asked about each of these issues |
| 05:59.44 | rue_bed | er, so why, can the wheezy/sid machine see nfsv4 and the 7.9 cant? |
| 06:00.11 | rue_bed | gry, thanks, it was like 10 years ago |
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| 06:00.41 | rue_bed | the base install was done in 2002, iirc |
| 06:00.52 | rue_bed | its never been reinstalled |
| 06:02.25 | rue_bed | I wonder if there is an origional file I can get a date from |
| 06:03.03 | rue_bed | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 13621 Oct 11 1998 gs.Fontmap |
| 06:03.09 | rue_bed | thats the oldest file in /etc |
| 06:05.19 | rue_bed | cant be that old tho |
| 06:05.26 | rue_bed | lots of files are '99 |
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| 06:06.41 | rue_bed | thanks, gnight |
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| 07:12.25 | Aebian | hey, whats the best way to make an alias with a parameter? currently I have ' alias ectab="sudo nano /var/spool/cron/crontabs/" ' set and if I type ' ectab username ' I want debian to add the given username to the nano request. Or is that just possible with a function? |
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| 07:16.18 | sep | Aebian, i think adding the username would add a space after the crontabs/ so it would not work the way you expected ;; why not use crontab -e -u username instead ? |
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| 07:18.11 | Aebian | sep: yep thats correct and yes your approch is much easier, not sure why I did not use it lol..., thanks |
| 07:19.53 | Aebian | yep works like a charm |
| 07:20.34 | sep | :) |
| 07:20.56 | jolt | Aebian: If you want to use a function, then here is a nice oneliner for next time: function something { <some command> $1 --option2 $2 } |
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| 07:24.20 | Aebian | jolt: thanks for that, noted :P |
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| 07:33.05 | mender27 | Anyone here has experience with running pure Debian on Raspberry Pis? |
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| 08:20.34 | sine0 | If I want to setup a virtual desktop/ Virtual machine on my headless server, will I be able to install it via GUI online |
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| 08:27.35 | at0m | mender27: i usually go raspbian netinstall (you need the bcm closed firmware afaik, which isn't free so no pure debian), but on initial install i switch to debian repo's |
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| 08:28.05 | at0m | mender27: mind you, that doesn't work for rpi1 which arm chip isn't supported by debian |
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| 08:41.05 | lb_ | is there any point in using deb.debian.org on jessie? |
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| 08:43.28 | petn-randall | lb_: The actual web page has an explanation for jessie. |
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| 08:51.48 | at0m | mender27: more on https://wiki.debian.org/RaspberryPi |
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| 09:17.34 | jhasse | Hi! Why is Python 3 still 3.4.2 on Debian 8? Weren't there some important security fixes in the versions up to 3.4.6? |
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| 09:20.57 | petn-randall | jhasse: Security fixes usually get backported if applicable. |
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| 09:23.24 | petn-randall | jhasse: If you know of any CVEs in the 3.4 branch that are not addressed, you can look them up in: |
| 09:23.27 | petn-randall | !tracker of doom |
| 09:23.27 | dpkg | The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.org/ . Ask me about <cve lookup CVE-yyyy-nnnn> to get Debian-specific information on a CVE number. See also http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences or ask me about <debsecan> http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
| 09:24.20 | jhasse | petn-randall, ah I see. No chance for bug fixes though? |
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| 09:26.25 | petn-randall | jhasse: Only if they hurt enough to warrant an update. But generally once a release is declared stable, only release-critical bugs warrant updates. Debian generally does /not/ track a certain branch of upstream for stable. |
| 09:26.44 | jhasse | petn-randall, I see. Thank you :) |
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| 09:27.38 | petn-randall | jhasse: I can say from experience that it's a good thing. I've seen several projects that botched their bugfix branch by introducing regressions. :) |
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| 09:29.03 | jhasse | petn-randall, yeah, I can understand that. In my case I'm missing the fix for https://bugs.python.org/issue24982 |
| 09:29.53 | jhasse | it's a change of behaviour so I could udnerstand if that would be a regression for some people |
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| 09:30.11 | jhasse | But it's painful for me as I know have to write a lot more code ... |
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| 09:46.40 | petn-randall | jhasse: That bugs doesn't look like it has a good chance for a stable update. You can either work around it, or install python3 to /usr/local/. Another option is to backport 3.5 from stretch to jessie. |
| 09:46.59 | petn-randall | Or you could simply wait a few month when stretch is released and use that :) |
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| 09:58.47 | ruied | Hello. I have devian testing with encrypted filesystem. I have upgraded to a nw kernel (4.9.X) and it doesn't boot (kernel panic), I think it must have to do with the encrypted filesystem, I now booted with 4.8.0.1 . |
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| 10:01.53 | petn-randall | ruied: Debian? Devuan? |
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| 10:02.59 | ruied | petn-randall, Debian :) |
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| 10:04.20 | petn-randall | !debian-next |
| 10:04.20 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 10:04.41 | petn-randall | ruied: Can you ask in this channel ^^^? It's where all the testing/sid users hang out. I'm there, too. |
| 10:04.43 | jelly | ruied: sounds vaguely like initramfs wasn't built correctly, use update-initramfs to rebuild it for the broken kernel |
| 10:04.56 | jelly | ruied: which debian release are you using? |
| 10:05.05 | jelly | oh, "testing" |
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| 10:05.26 | tdn | Is there a simple tool for linux that will show network bandwidth in real time for each process on the system? Something like bwm-ng but for each process. |
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| 10:09.13 | jelly | tdn: nethogs, you'll probably want to get the build from jessie-backports if you're on jessie |
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| 10:18.34 | ruied | petn-randall, wrong kernel installation! :) |
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| 10:19.28 | ruied | going to reboot and test it... I have installed by mistake the 686 instead of the amd64 |
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| 10:25.30 | askz | hi, what do you recommend for fs replication "low maintenance" on debian ? and scalable (if possible) |
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| 10:37.54 | xok | hello all.. |
| 10:38.06 | xok | I've got PXE boot server setup and install ubuntu automatically with preseed.cfg file... |
| 10:38.28 | xok | I wonder if there is a way to dynamically use physical devices (disks) without explicitly providing names in the configuration file?.. |
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| 10:46.54 | Bl4ckC0r3 | Have a nice day girls and boys. |
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| 10:51.56 | uriesk | Hello |
| 10:52.30 | uriesk | to install Debian with UEFI, the install medium has to be booted in UEFI mode, right? |
| 10:52.52 | yoyo__ | I think yes |
| 10:53.18 | uriesk | because my UEFI does not want to boot the flash drive... it always falls back to legacy |
| 10:53.30 | uriesk | but i want UEFI ^^ |
| 10:53.37 | yoyo__ | your debian is EFI bootable ? |
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| 10:53.51 | uriesk | i try to install it |
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| 10:54.19 | uriesk | i made the flash drive with dd and the debian-8.7.1-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 10:54.40 | yoyo__ | In your BIOS, the option secure boot is enabled ?. |
| 10:54.52 | uriesk | i also tried the flash drive in some other notebook, and it just works in legacy-mode there too |
| 10:54.52 | yoyo__ | Cause it has to be desabled |
| 10:54.58 | uriesk | no, it's disabled |
| 10:55.02 | yoyo__ | Ok |
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| 10:55.24 | uriesk | Gerät Boot Anfang Ende Sektoren GröÃe Kn Typ |
| 10:55.26 | uriesk | /dev/sdc1 * 0 507903 507904 248M 0 Leer |
| 10:55.27 | uriesk | /dev/sdc2 3900 4731 832 416K ef EFI (FAT-12/16/32) |
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| 10:55.36 | uriesk | this is what the partitions of the flash drive look like |
| 10:56.04 | uriesk | it's not formated with GPT..... |
| 10:56.29 | yoyo__ | i think in GPT it'll be better.. but not sure |
| 10:57.24 | yoyo__ | I already installed debian on a MAC with EFI boot, and I just had to change the conf of grub, and install gptsync |
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| 10:57.51 | uriesk | yeah, but the debian-8.7.1-amd64-netinst.iso is like this :/ |
| 10:57.51 | colo-work | how can I get stretch to automatically load/modprobe a kernel module, that it won't load itself? |
| 10:58.24 | colo-work | ah. still the same, apparently. |
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| 10:58.57 | yoyo__ | I con't help you better uriesk 'cause i don't have PC for now, maybe later |
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| 10:59.22 | uriesk | ok, but still thank you :) |
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| 10:59.30 | yoyo__ | No prob man |
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| 10:59.45 | yoyo__ | But try with GPT partition table ;) |
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| 11:05.13 | Guest25810 | hi. i'm lost on /etc/fstab |
| 11:05.37 | Guest25810 | there' s a way to autogen fstab? |
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| 11:08.25 | painy | Hello! |
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| 11:08.56 | yoyo__ | Hi painy |
| 11:09.01 | painy | I have installed Debian on a computer at work and the computer freezes randomly (especially if I leave it on over night). It seems to respond to keyboard input when waking up. |
| 11:09.10 | painy | It works fine with windows. |
| 11:09.32 | yoyo__ | Maybe check your logs |
| 11:09.35 | painy | Oh and the mouse still moves, just that windows in GNOME don't work. |
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| 11:09.53 | yoyo__ | How much RAM you have ? |
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| 11:10.16 | painy | 16 GB |
| 11:10.19 | yoyo__ | Ok |
| 11:10.31 | painy | oh wait, I forgot I upgraded to sid |
| 11:10.35 | Guest25810 | yoyo__, help-me please. i can't install grub |
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| 11:10.41 | painy | let me reinstall a stable one |
| 11:10.53 | yoyo__ | Try that with another iso maybe |
| 11:10.58 | painy | ok |
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| 11:11.10 | yoyo__ | Guest25810: you can't install grub ? |
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| 11:13.08 | yoyo__ | I'm going to Smoke, I come back |
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| 11:15.12 | OS-28471 | test' |
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| 11:18.29 | tdn | jelly, nethogs seems to be exactly what I am looking for. What is wrong with the one in jessie? |
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| 11:25.56 | tdn | jelly, I installed nethogs in jessie, but when I run it as root, it says: creating socket failed while establishing local IP - are you root? |
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| 11:26.11 | tdn | jelly, does this mean that it simply does not work in jessie and that is why I need one from backports? |
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| 11:33.48 | avar | How can I see what compilation flags a given package on my system was compiled with? |
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| 11:41.51 | mender27 | at0m: thanks a lot! I will read it on a bit ;). |
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| 11:42.06 | jelly | tdn: yes |
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| 12:10.19 | tdn | jelly, wow, seems like something that should be fixed in jessie |
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| 12:11.52 | jelly | tdn: it's probably not realistic to expect a fix now that there's a working build in -backports |
| 12:12.15 | jelly | jessie will be oldstable in a couple months possibly probably maybe |
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| 12:19.26 | BluesKaj | Hi folks |
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| 12:27.20 | BluesKaj | Suddenly after an update/upgrade I have a strange change in a simple command that's worked for at least 2yrs. In order to disconnect my vpn service i was using sudo kiillall openvpn. Now the coomand outputs "killall command not found". the same for terminate. Any ideas? |
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| 12:28.12 | tw | kiillall isn't a command, killall is in psmisc. |
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| 12:30.00 | BluesKaj | tw well that's what the terminal outputs ...does it matter , I just want to know which command will worl |
| 12:30.10 | BluesKaj | work |
| 12:30.15 | petn-randall | ... |
| 12:30.29 | petn-randall | BluesKaj: You've simply got a typo in your command, nothing we can do. |
| 12:30.49 | OtakuSenpai | try pkill |
| 12:31.05 | petn-randall | BluesKaj: If you want to use killall, simply install it. |
| 12:32.07 | BluesKaj | unable to locate package killall |
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| 12:32.24 | BluesKaj | I'm running stretch btw |
| 12:32.37 | petn-randall | BluesKaj: tw already told you in which package it is. |
| 12:32.58 | jelly | pkill > killall anyway |
| 12:33.36 | jelly | BluesKaj: /msg judd file bin/killall --release stretch |
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| 12:34.05 | refeaime | Hello guys. |
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| 12:34.57 | refeaime | I need consultation about HDD levels. I am prepearing huge presentation about SAN systems, and need to cover difference between NAS and SAN. |
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| 12:35.25 | refeaime | SAN provides RAW space, blocks. NAS - file transfer protocols. |
| 12:36.04 | jelly | refeaime: ##hardware channel perhaps? |
| 12:36.19 | jelly | this isn't exactly a debian specific query |
| 12:36.19 | refeaime | My question is... What is exacly correct line for this? |
| 12:36.20 | refeaime | sector>block>partition table>partition>file system>file>filetransfer protocol |
| 12:36.44 | refeaime | jelly: i know... But i am not sure to which channel i should go |
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| 12:37.22 | jelly | you may be looking for terms like "block device" and "LUN" when talking about SAN targets |
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| 12:38.51 | refeaime | jelly: block device is an unix file of device... |
| 12:39.09 | refeaime | Thats still on the fylesystem level |
| 12:39.15 | refeaime | file* |
| 12:39.18 | refeaime | Anyway |
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| 12:39.23 | refeaime | Thanks! Huge |
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| 12:40.07 | deavmi | What package should I install to get ifconfig? |
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| 12:40.20 | refeaime | deavmi: use ip |
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| 12:40.49 | refeaime | deavmi: ip addr will show you your interfaces |
| 12:41.02 | deavmi | ah okay. thanks |
| 12:41.03 | Iridos | deavmi, net-tools: /sbin/ifconfig |
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| 12:41.51 | refeaime | jelly: can you help me once more? |
| 12:42.10 | refeaime | jelly: on which level block device is contain? |
| 12:42.20 | refeaime | If its file(!) of device |
| 12:42.27 | refeaime | i need theory... |
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| 12:43.59 | jelly | refeaime: http://pineight.com/ds/block/ |
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| 12:44.51 | deavmi | thanks |
| 12:44.57 | deavmi | ip addr gave me the stuff I needed |
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| 12:50.00 | OtakuSenpai | guys how do i configure udev? |
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| 12:51.43 | petn-randall | OtakuSenpai: Care to be a little more specific? |
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| 12:52.24 | BluesKaj | my apologies tw , I didn't realize you were telling me that psmisc is a package. |
| 12:52.52 | OtakuSenpai | well im trying out GnuRoot Debian and in there i created a script to start i3 |
| 12:53.23 | OtakuSenpai | but i am unable to start Xorg properly bcoz it cant get a lock on dev/tty0 |
| 12:54.27 | petn-randall | OtakuSenpai: You don't have root in that app, and you might want to ask their support. |
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| 12:56.23 | AnGe7 | Hey all |
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| 12:57.28 | AnGe7 | Someone have problem with screen standby ? |
| 12:57.37 | refeaime | on which channel i should go for SAN/FC talk? |
| 12:58.07 | refeaime | AnGe7: screen util? Maybe it would be more comfortable to use tmux? |
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| 12:59.56 | OtakuSenpai | refeaime: /msg alis help list |
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| 13:01.22 | AnGe7 | refaime: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=859725 |
| 13:01.23 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/859725 in x11-common (open, moreinfo): «x11-common: Each time my screen standby, system crash»; severity: grave; opened: 2017-04-06; last modified: 2017-04-06. |
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| 13:04.19 | greycat | somiaj: so, uh, the /var/log/Xorg.0.log file from yesterday is actually the wrong one. It's the one written by root the *first* time I ran startx. Now when I run startx again as myself, it can't open that file for logging. |
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| 13:05.25 | OtakuSenpai | petn-randall: https://wiki.debian.org/ChrootOnAndroid |
| 13:06.06 | OtakuSenpai | if you read tht then it will tell you tht tht app is a android app tht creates a debian system under it |
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| 13:06.29 | OtakuSenpai | you can do normal apt-get,compile stuff,do whatever |
| 13:07.05 | OtakuSenpai | all im asking is tht how do i fix my Xorg so tht i can start i3 from the console provided by the app and do programming on my android |
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| 13:09.11 | greycat | (Stretch) Where does X write its logs if it can't open /var/log/Xorg.0.log because it's not running as root any more? |
| 13:09.54 | Iridos | X is suid root anyway? |
| 13:09.59 | greycat | Not in stretch. |
| 13:10.04 | Iridos | oh |
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| 13:10.55 | jelly | mine still goes there |
| 13:11.21 | greycat | Oh, locate found /home/wooledg/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log |
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| 13:11.33 | Iridos | "obvious" |
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| 13:11.58 | jelly | well it's not the journal |
| 13:12.04 | themill | depends on which dm you use as to here they end up, it seems |
| 13:12.18 | jelly | sddm seems to still start it as root, yes |
| 13:12.26 | greycat | I use startx. |
| 13:12.57 | jelly | next thing you'll say is you still use unixes without UTF-8 support! |
| 13:13.21 | greycat | So... yeah, looks like it's using the modeset driver now. |
| 13:13.49 | greycat | Oh, thanks for the reminder. Need to reconfigure locales on this box.... |
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| 13:14.09 | Iridos | :D |
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| 13:15.39 | greycat | Right, OK. Now I can run "man" after ssh-ing in from the HP-UX machine. |
| 13:15.50 | greycat | waits for the next reminder of the next thing to fix |
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| 13:18.44 | greycat | And... there's the "documentation" for the change, in /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-core/NEWS.Debian.gz, waaay down at the bottom. |
| 13:19.01 | greycat | "it changes the location for storing the Xorg log from /var/log/ to ~/.local/share/xorg/" |
| 13:19.09 | Stummi | well, it's not like its something important you would like to know first when updating X |
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| 13:20.18 | celyr | This is not going to be a when stretch will be released question :P |
| 13:20.48 | celyr | I'm just planning in advance how to upgrade to stretch in particular I have some packages that I'll happy to upgrade |
| 13:21.03 | celyr | What do you suggest, full reinstall or going with dist-upgrade ? |
| 13:21.12 | greycat | dist-upgrade |
| 13:21.20 | celyr | I mean for production |
| 13:21.32 | celyr | For my domestic used I've used dist-upgrade plenty of times |
| 13:21.41 | greycat | In-place upgrades are one of the major reasons people choose Debian. |
| 13:21.49 | Stummi | production changes anything: backup, than dist-upgrade |
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| 13:22.18 | celyr | yeah I'll replicate with veeam the virutal machine before going dist-upgrade ofc |
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| 13:23.28 | rgr | chromium on debian stable not seeing my chromecast. What gives? google.chrome.stable does BUT that wont work with gnome shell extension. |
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| 13:24.07 | themill | https://www.debian.org/releases/testing/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#unpriv-x11 â was about to make a patch for the release notes and there it already is |
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| 13:26.20 | greycat | If you're going to change something, maybe change "the Xorg log" to "the Xorg.0.log file" in case someone tries to search for it by filename |
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| 13:27.12 | celyr | tnx :) |
| 13:28.12 | greycat | (I suppose the ".0" is variable or something, which means nothing can ever just be simple.) |
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| 13:28.44 | themill | reportbug release-notes with that suggestion would still be reasonable |
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| 13:34.01 | celyr | isn't .0 the display ? :) |
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| 13:34.11 | greycat | I suspect so. |
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| 13:35.19 | themill | yes, see Xorg(1) |
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| 13:36.22 | greycat | Oh god, it's the return of the invasion of the XDG_* variables. |
| 13:37.07 | greycat | "Hello! We are going to place variable references in all of your documentation. But you won't actually have these variables in your environment. That would be too easy! Instead we are just going to assume that you know what the default values of these variables are." |
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| 13:38.40 | greycat | I guess this means the default value of XDG_DATA_HOME (referenced in Xorg(1)) is ~/.local/share |
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| 13:41.19 | themill | yes: «$XDG_DATA_HOME defines the base directory relative to which user specific data files should be stored. If $XDG_DATA_HOME is either not set or empty, a default equal to $HOME/.local/share should be used.» |
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| 13:44.28 | greycat | And the only way to find that is to google XDG_DATA_HOME and get lucky. |
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| 13:45.52 | themill | well the spec is the first hit I get: https://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-latest.html#variables but yes, an xdg(7) would be handy |
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| 13:52.26 | Doros | Hey does anyone know how to show a list of all the programs installed on debian using make install? |
| 13:52.43 | Doros | I'm not sure if it can be done but no harm in asking |
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| 13:52.56 | greycat | There is no way to know. |
| 13:53.24 | Doros | Yeah that's what I thought |
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| 14:18.44 | slbii__ | hello |
| 14:19.11 | slbii__ | I need assistance with my ATI Driver for Debian Testing |
| 14:19.26 | slbii__ | anyone familiar? |
| 14:19.32 | jhutchins_wk | Doros: That's one of the purposes of a package manager is to keep inventory. |
| 14:19.33 | greycat | Start with "lspci -nn | grep VGA" |
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| 14:21.58 | slbii__ | let me login from that PC...brb |
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| 14:24.19 | slbii | lspci -nn | grep VGA |
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| 14:24.20 | slbii | 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Trinity [Radeon HD 7640G] [1002:9903] |
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| 14:24.30 | greycat | ,pciid 1002:9903 |
| 14:24.31 | judd | [1002:9903] is 'Trinity [Radeon HD 7640G]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'radeon' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:9903 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
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| 14:25.41 | greycat | slbii: Does X not work at all, or are you just trying to make it go faster? Are there any firmware errors in dmesg? |
| 14:25.53 | slbii | I am running Debian 9 (Testing) |
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| 14:26.28 | slbii | It is running hot due to driver, excess CPU |
| 14:26.55 | slbii | how do I look at dmesg...sorry i am new |
| 14:26.57 | greycat | (as root) dmesg | grep -i firmware |
| 14:27.04 | slbii | ok |
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| 14:28.00 | slbii | root@DEB9TEST:/home/sbryson# dmesg | grep -i firmware |
| 14:28.01 | slbii | [ 0.054481] [Firmware Info]: CPU: Re-enabling disabled Topology Extensions Support. |
| 14:28.01 | slbii | [ 0.573614] ACPI: [Firmware Bug]: BIOS _OSI(Linux) query ignored |
| 14:28.01 | slbii | [ 5.925215] acpi PNP0A08:00: [Firmware Info]: MMCONFIG for domain 0000 [bus 00-3f] only partially covers this bridge |
| 14:28.01 | slbii | [ 17.175924] [drm:radeon_pci_probe [radeon]] *ERROR* radeon kernel modesetting for R600 or later requires firmware-amd-graphics. |
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| 14:28.39 | slbii | oops |
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| 14:28.57 | missmbob | install firmware-amd-graphics |
| 14:29.23 | greycat | You need to enable the contrib and non-free sections in sources.list first, if you haven't already done so. |
| 14:30.25 | slbii | is that done in synaptic? |
| 14:30.44 | greycat | I do it with a text editor. |
| 14:30.53 | greycat | I wouldn't have the slightest clue how to do it with synaptic. |
| 14:31.11 | slbii | I added contrib and non-free in the sources in synaptic and then ran apt-get update |
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| 14:31.24 | greycat | sounds promising. try to install firmware-amd-graphics |
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| 14:33.31 | slbii | Unpacking firmware-amd-graphics (20161130-2) ... |
| 14:33.31 | slbii | Setting up firmware-amd-graphics (20161130-2) ... |
| 14:33.43 | slbii | done...now what do I need to do? |
| 14:33.56 | greycat | I'd reboot. I don't know if there's any other way to make it load. |
| 14:34.14 | slbii | ok, Thank You,,,brb after reboot |
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| 14:37.23 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: modprobe probably |
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| 14:45.15 | chrisa | Hello. Is there a nice way to run the sysv init process within a chroot? |
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| 14:46.16 | chrisa | i.e. if I've got a chroot at /foo, and want some daemons (like, say, ssh-server, or cron) running within it, can I run "chroot /foo /sbin/init" or is there a package that does something along these lines for me? |
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| 14:46.26 | greycat | You mean in addition to the init running as PID 1 outside the chroot? No, not really. Another /sbin/init running as not-PID-1 wouldn't have the special characteristics (inheriting zombies, etc.) |
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| 14:46.52 | chrisa | greycat, yes, the PID 1 thing is exactly why I expect the trivial answer to fail. |
| 14:47.03 | greycat | But if you just want to run a *service*, you can run /etc/init.d/foobar start inside the chroot without having /sbin/init inside it. |
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| 14:47.29 | greycat | sysvinit scripts are just shell scripts |
| 14:47.30 | slbii | could my video issue be Cinnamon? If so, how do I switch DE? |
| 14:47.53 | chrisa | greycat, yes, but it would be nice to automatically start the /etc/rc2.d/ thingies, in the right order.. |
| 14:47.53 | greycat | install the new one, and update-alternatives --config x-session-manager |
| 14:48.14 | chrisa | But well, maybe I'm an idealist. |
| 14:48.20 | greycat | chrisa: you are probably wanting a VM, not a chroot |
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| 14:48.50 | chrisa | nah, this is an embedded system with 512 MB of RAM. And needs fast access to the host's /dev etc. |
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| 14:49.36 | chrisa | I'm using a chroot to get Debian onto the device while still using the vendor-provided kernel. |
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| 14:51.02 | slbii | brb |
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| 14:57.22 | UnixMonky | Hi All, I'm having a problem with xdg-open and chrome (if there's a better channel for this, please let me know). I've setup handlers so "xdg-open ssh://10.0.0.1" from command line works, as does gvfs-open. But from chrome, using the same url generates this: |
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| 14:58.03 | UnixMonky | "gvfs-open: ssh://10.0.0.1: error opening location: The specified location is not supported" |
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| 14:58.45 | UnixMonky | I'm going stir-crazy trying to figure out why it's not working on chrome links but is everywhere else. Any pointers/help woul dbe greatly appreciated |
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| 15:00.17 | seoner | This Hack Gives Linux Root Shell Just By Pressing 'ENTER' for 70 Seconds http://thehackernews.com/2016/11/hacking-linux-system.html <- true or false? |
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| 15:01.20 | greycat | TIAS |
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| 15:02.58 | petn-randall | seoner: You don't get any more privileges than your already get sitting physically in front of a linux machine. LUKS is not circumvented. |
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| 15:03.24 | seoner | petn-randall: so if I use debian installation with LVM encryption, its easy to bypass? |
| 15:03.53 | jelly | seoner: "not circumented" means the answer to that is "no" |
| 15:04.00 | petn-randall | seoner: LUKS? No. |
| 15:04.06 | blackflow | sensationalist news. you don't get to root shell, you get to busybox shell within initramfs. you still need to know the LUKS container passphrase to unlock it |
| 15:04.31 | jelly | and yet someone got a CVE assigned to that |
| 15:04.46 | jelly | (not all CVEs have to make sense) |
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| 15:05.02 | petn-randall | That. You don't get more access to the machine that you'd get boot with adding init=/bin/bash to the kernel commandline in grub. |
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| 15:05.18 | blackflow | I don't remember if having the shell allows you to modify the boot environment and plant a trojan or a keylogger or something. if so, that's a CVE alright |
| 15:05.19 | petn-randall | jelly: Well, DoS is still CVE-worthy. |
| 15:05.25 | han-solo | shellshock patched? :} |
| 15:05.52 | jelly | petn-randall: not if you're denying access only to yourself! |
| 15:06.14 | petn-randall | jelly: well ... you could confuse other users? Is that CVE-worthy? ;) |
| 15:06.49 | jelly | maybe if those are Confusion Vulnerability Entries |
| 15:07.03 | blackflow | lol |
| 15:07.27 | greycat | Having physical access to the machine doesn't mean you've discovered a security flaw. |
| 15:07.37 | seoner | petn-randall: so if I install fresh debian encryption with LVM, would it use LUKS or what kind? |
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| 15:08.38 | petn-randall | seoner: Yes, it would use LVM. |
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| 15:09.14 | seoner | petn-randall: and no LUKS? |
| 15:09.42 | seoner | I mean, Guided - use entire disk and set up encrypted LVM |
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| 15:10.09 | petn-randall | That uses LUKS and LVM, right. |
| 15:10.44 | seoner | https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2016-4484 |
| 15:10.51 | seoner | why did they not fix it on jessie? |
| 15:11.15 | petn-randall | seoner: See the notes. |
| 15:12.39 | celyr | seoner, physical access is root access dot |
| 15:13.44 | petn-randall | seoner: Or lets play the following: You name me a scenario where someone can exploit that bug, and I'll tell you how to gain the same privileges without it. |
| 15:13.56 | blackflow | it's not as straightforward, especially with luks, but yeah, pwnage should be considered likely. |
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| 15:14.30 | seoner | so if somebody stole my computer they would be enable to read my encrypted machine easy? |
| 15:14.38 | blackflow | no |
| 15:14.42 | petn-randall | seoner: no |
| 15:15.21 | petn-randall | seoner: As we already said several times, it does not break the integrity of the LUKS container. Everything that was inaccessible before is inaccessible after exploiting this bug. |
| 15:15.23 | seoner | is there any backdoors to read the encrypted machine? |
| 15:15.40 | petn-randall | seoner: backdoors? Where? |
| 15:16.07 | seoner | petn-randall: in the debian encryption -> Guided - use entire disk and set up encrypted LVM |
| 15:16.08 | blackflow | physical access means there are a lot more vectors to attack the machine or the user, and even with encryption it mathematically is just a matter of when, not if. |
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| 15:16.30 | petn-randall | seoner: Why would there be a backdoor in there? No, there isn't. |
| 15:16.47 | seoner | petn-randall: Is it more secure then Truecrypt for example? |
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| 15:17.33 | petn-randall | seoner: Truecrypt is insecure since it's abandoned. |
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| 15:21.33 | petn-randall | seoner: But do you understand the bug? If someone hits enter for 70 seconds, they can access the unencrypted parts of your system. Which usually is /boot. It's the same data people can access if they boot your computer from a live system, or add something like init=/bin/busybox in grub. |
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| 15:22.54 | blackflow | petn-randall: doesn't init=/bin/busybox expect that path on the root? meaning it wouldn't work unless you unlock the container |
| 15:23.46 | petn-randall | blackflow: Probably, didn't test it. Though with some digging there might be some ways to drop to a busybox shell. |
| 15:24.24 | blackflow | yeah |
| 15:25.23 | greycat | Presumably, a busybox shell with no access to the encrypted data. |
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| 15:29.23 | seoner | ok thank you |
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| 15:30.33 | petn-randall | The only scenario I could think of, where this bug allows more access than without it, would be: 1) You have access to the keyboard, but not to the HDD bay. 2) The BIOS is locked and doesn't allow booting from other media 3) grub has a password set preventing changes to the menu entries. |
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| 15:31.38 | petn-randall | In that case you could probably manipulate the kernel/initramfs to have a keylogger, by typing in the byte sequences by hand. :) |
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| 15:34.21 | greycat | That's somewhat intriguing... how many bytes would you have to enter by hand to create a kernel module to do that, and get it loaded by default? |
| 15:34.50 | tx | a lot |
| 15:34.52 | tx | __a lot__ |
| 15:35.14 | tremon | btw if you want to be secure in that scenario, buy a machine without ps/2 ports (any recent one will do) and do not include the usb hid drivers in the initramfs |
| 15:35.40 | tx | have fun recovering! |
| 15:35.46 | petn-randall | At some point it's probably just easier to hit the owner with a stick repeatedly until they reveal the password. |
| 15:35.57 | tx | I guess keeping a USB stick handy to recover will suffice |
| 15:36.03 | tx | but then you have the same problem |
| 15:36.19 | petn-randall | tremon: And how do you want to enter the LUKS password? Via keyfile? |
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| 15:36.42 | tremon | yup. yay for luks keyscripts :) |
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| 15:38.03 | tremon | you can e.g. use the passdev script to read the keyfile from a usb stick, and still disable keyboard access in initramfs |
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| 15:38.30 | tremon | but I agree it's a mostly theoretical issue in the first place |
| 15:38.33 | celyr | seoner, root access doesn't mean decrypt access |
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| 15:50.27 | Akuw | i am looking for a html obfuscation |
| 15:50.56 | greycat | Hire any PHP developer. Voila. |
| 15:51.01 | petn-randall | Akuw: Just ask PHP what they use. |
| 15:51.11 | petn-randall | greycat beat me to it again ;) |
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| 15:53.03 | Jubei | anybody know if it's possible to use autofs to mount a folder INSIDE my home directory? |
| 15:53.30 | Jubei | i.e. I have a cifs mount that I want mounted whenever myself or some other program accesses /home/myusername/remote_folder |
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| 16:02.24 | anasule | Im trying apt-get install perl and getting this https://pastebin.com/raw/Bvk2xviK any hints on how to fix it welcome |
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| 16:02.58 | greycat | Fix what? I see no errors. |
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| 16:03.05 | jhutchins_wk | Jubei: Have you got the "autofs mounts cifs share" part worked out yet? |
| 16:03.12 | anasule | perl is not installed after the command exits |
| 16:03.26 | anasule | root@blackbox:/# perl bash: /usr/bin/perl: No such file or directory |
| 16:03.28 | Jubei | jhutchins_wk uuhhm.. I don't think I have :) |
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| 16:04.05 | Jubei | jhutchins_wk you mean I should do it first on some other folder like /netmount and THEN try under home dirs? |
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| 16:04.36 | anasule | after apt-get install perl should simply typing the command perl not work? |
| 16:04.37 | greycat | so... you need perl to install perl? nifty. |
| 16:04.49 | greycat | I guess then you need to extract the deb by hand |
| 16:04.57 | TomTomTo1 | the perl binary is in the perl-base package, which is required on debian. |
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| 16:05.05 | jhutchins_wk | Jubei: Yeah, I would suggest that. |
| 16:05.18 | tremon | essential even |
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| 16:05.38 | jhutchins_wk | Jubei: I think what you want is ~/mount/remote_folder - autofs needs to own the directory that the share gets mounted under. |
| 16:06.03 | jhutchins_wk | Jubei: Obviously, you don't want it to own your $HOME. |
| 16:06.39 | Jubei | jhutchins_wk now but I would like to OWN the directory mounted by autofs. |
| 16:06.49 | Jubei | jhutchins_wk which is why I wanted it under my ~ |
| 16:07.10 | greycat | Jubei: ohhhh. Well that just made the problem 50x harder. |
| 16:07.18 | anasule | i did apt-get install perl-base --reinstall and then tried to install perl again and it fixed it thanks for that :) |
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| 16:07.47 | Jubei | ok well.. not necessarily own it just have read/write permissions in it. I guess I can use uid or something similar in the mount command |
| 16:07.58 | greycat | Jubei: same problem. |
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| 16:14.08 | david123_ | Hello, what ports open in gufw for transferring files with empathy? |
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| 16:14.30 | alex356567 | clear |
| 16:14.51 | alex356567 | when i run cpan i get Can't locate App/Cpan.pm in @INC how do you fix this please |
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| 16:15.15 | greycat | ,file App/Cpan.pm |
| 16:15.18 | judd | Search for App/Cpan.pm in jessie/amd64: perl-modules: usr/share/perl/5.20.2/App/Cpan.pm |
| 16:15.44 | petn-randall | david123_: Depends on the chat protocol you're using. |
| 16:16.39 | jhutchins_wk | Jubei: It's not that the directory doesn't have your ownership, it's that the directory where autofs mounts things can't be written to. It's effectively locked by the autofs process. |
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| 16:17.11 | greycat | jhutchins_wk: what. |
| 16:17.11 | jhutchins_wk | Jubei: The share you mount there has normal permission characteristics. |
| 16:17.18 | alex356567 | @judd i have /usr/share/perl/5.20.2 no App folder |
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| 16:17.27 | greycat | jhutchins_wk: it's fuckin' CIFS/SMB. There's nothing normal. |
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| 16:17.33 | david123_ | petn-randall: I do not use special protocol, it is communication with people of proximity by default in empathy |
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| 16:17.40 | greycat | alex356567: apt-get --reinstall install perl-modules |
| 16:17.43 | Jubei | jhutchins_wk hmm... this is troublesome.. |
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| 16:18.11 | greycat | Jubei: listening to jhutchins_wk is often unwise. He has a track record of giving wrong answers. |
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| 16:18.19 | alex356567 | thanks greycat :) |
| 16:18.39 | Jubei | greycat in this case he's right because I tried to make a folder inside that directory that autofs controls and I was not allowed to :) |
| 16:18.52 | greycat | That's not because 'autofs locked it'. |
| 16:18.52 | jhutchins_wk | It's like you can't mix automounted nfs /home/ directories with local directories. |
| 16:19.27 | Jubei | okok. I'm giving up on the idea of having it under my home dir. I just want it "somewhere" accessible |
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| 16:27.34 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: My terminology may be off a bit, that is how I would describe the effect. |
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| 16:40.43 | M1ke | Do you guys know a way to integrate Facebook Messenger with IRC? |
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| 16:41.26 | Jubei | M1ke I doubt Facebook are making their API public. |
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| 16:42.38 | jhutchins_wk | M1ke: I would doubt it as well. Facebook's clients tend to be very invasive. |
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| 16:43.00 | TomTomTo1 | the api for facebook apps is public. you would have to combine it with an irc lib. |
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| 16:44.22 | n4dir | i tried it once with pidgin, but failed (iirc as i had no smartphone, hence no according phone number). Been a while though. https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/12527/easily-add-facebook-chat-to-pidgin/ |
| 16:44.25 | UnixMonky | looks like there's a few options: bitlbee is one of them |
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| 16:45.33 | jhutchins_wk | TomTomTo1: Thanks for correcting me then. |
| 16:46.10 | TomTomTo1 | it's not a correction, it's a different thing. you don't get access to the messenger of you normal account. |
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| 16:46.34 | TomTomTo1 | but you can register an app and grab the events from there. |
| 16:47.02 | UnixMonky | nope, i think im wrong. I didn't notice that the "messenger" in their list was "Yahoo! messenger" and assumed failbook |
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| 16:55.37 | UnixMonky | more google-fu reveals that the answer is "maybe" assuming failbook doesn't change their mqtt anytime soon. bitlbee sets a local service that interfaces with [fb|yahoo|xmpp|etc] and provides a local irc service. then you connect to that service. At least according to their page, I haven't tried it to verify. |
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| 16:57.29 | mmayorga_ | How do I make dpkg-architecture to recognize x86_64-w64-mingw32 so I can use dpkg-buildpackage to cross-compile for windows? |
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| 17:03.51 | tremon | you can't, fafaik. dpkg only recognizes the architectures that debian is running on |
| 17:04.21 | tremon | why would you want to create a .deb for windows anyway? |
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| 17:07.13 | Jubei | has anybody ever been successful in mounting an EncFS mount using autofs? :) |
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| 17:16.49 | LostSoul | Hi |
| 17:17.04 | LostSoul | I'm not sure if here is the best place to ask but.. |
| 17:17.07 | LostSoul | I've met strage issue today. I have containters on LXC, using Proxmox. One of them had sort of swap leak (or how should I call this?). He had mem set to 2G and swap to 512. Suddenly he got his swap full, there was some OOM Killer and bang. I've increased swap to 1G on fly. Now, system show (free -m), that there is used 512M of swap. |
| 17:17.17 | LostSoul | When I tried to go over /proc/*/status there all add up maybe to 2M... so what's wrong? |
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| 17:17.27 | LostSoul | I don't know how to force it to show real usage or how can I call it. Proxmox in web gui also show that there is used 512M+ of those 1G |
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| 17:30.03 | jhutchins_wk | !proxmox |
| 17:30.04 | dpkg | Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial ##proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Get_support |
| 17:30.05 | tw | LostSoul: email proxmox support or use the proxmox forum. It probably depends on how they implemented the "swap limits" |
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| 17:42.26 | LostSoul | jhutchins_wk: Yeah, I know, I was just wondering if it's normal |
| 17:42.29 | LostSoul | tw: Thatnks |
| 17:43.53 | LostSoul | tw: Btw, where can I read on those swap limits? |
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| 17:47.14 | jhutchins_wk | LostSoul: I'd start with the link above. |
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| 17:47.49 | LostSoul | Thanks jhutchins_wk :) |
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| 17:49.09 | g0zzy | Am i right in thinking that apache2 has not been made compatible with systemd? (i.e. systemctl start apache.service doesn't fly) |
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| 17:49.21 | greycat | Try apache2.service |
| 17:49.39 | greycat | or simply "apache2" since the .service can be omitted usually |
| 17:49.55 | g0zzy | I will. It didn't seem to cough without the 2 |
| 17:50.28 | g0zzy | i.e. it said something like 'inactive' |
| 17:50.43 | greycat | Although it looks like the jessie package is still using sysvinit scripts. |
| 17:50.52 | g0zzy | I've taken down the server now so can't try now but thanks - will do so later |
| 17:52.51 | greycat | * apache2.service - LSB: Apache2 web server |
| 17:52.52 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:53.56 | g0zzy | Yes - thanks. Just tried it works with apache2 |
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| 18:16.26 | inch | I've been using a sheevaplug as a home network nat-router and server for a while. Installing Debian on it was this easy: http://www.cyrius.com/debian/kirkwood/sheevaplug/install/ |
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| 18:17.45 | inch | If I would replace it with an up to date single board computer, which would work out of the box with standard Debian just like that. |
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| 18:18.45 | inch | I mean just get installer from a official Debian mirror and install, no need to get any manufacturer specific stuff. |
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| 18:22.21 | inch | Perhaps a good list would be http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-armhf/current/images/u-boot/ and/or http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-armhf/current/images/device-tree/ |
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| 18:29.47 | jhutchins_wk | inch: It's really hard to tell what components a given hardware verndor is going to use, and often they change internal components without changing the model name/number. |
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| 18:31.42 | tw | Additionally, not all embedded drivers are upstreamed. I'd go as far as saying a majority are not. |
| 18:31.52 | jhutchins_wk | inch: If it's a broadly used device like an Intel motherboard, chances are you can get good info on it, but rarer stuff is harder to track down. |
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| 18:45.20 | bonehead | hello |
| 18:45.26 | verticlebert | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:45.26 | verticlebert | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:45.32 | verticlebert | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:45.33 | verticlebert | sorry for the messed up paste. |
| 18:46.10 | bonehead | how do i switch to nvidia drivers? my old powersupply died and i had to switch it with my backup and the backup one doesnt have the pins deeded so im using a 210GT |
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| 18:46.28 | bonehead | and my old graphics card was an ATI |
| 18:46.42 | tw | bonehead: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 18:47.03 | bonehead | tw: clicking links isnt really what i can do right now, im in client mode with irssi running |
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| 18:47.43 | babilen | verticlebert: Could you paste the exact error to http://paste.debian.net ? (redact sensitive information as you see fit) |
| 18:48.10 | verticlebert | babilen: one moment. I need to swap my known_hosts file back with the backup from earlier today. |
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| 18:50.06 | verticlebert | babilen: https://pastebin.com/vfqCYjn4 |
| 18:50.09 | alt0id | hello, im bonehead |
| 18:50.44 | alt0id | so any idea how i can change my drivers to nvidia? |
| 18:51.40 | greycat | https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 18:53.09 | alt0id | greycat: ok so am i going to have compatibility issues? because i have some nvidia drivers already installed here |
| 18:53.13 | alt0id | ati drivers* |
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| 18:53.43 | tw | alt0id: ati drivers won't get loaded for an nvidia device. It will pick the right one. |
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| 18:55.45 | babilen | dpkg: tell verticlebert -about pastebin.com |
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| 18:56.12 | babilen | verticlebert: That looks as if the SSH server setup changed |
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| 18:56.56 | babilen | Did your box get a new IP when it was moved? |
| 18:57.04 | verticlebert | babilen: yeah that was my concern. not sure why anything on my FS would change if its just an outage / hypervisor migration. No it didn't get a new IP. |
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| 19:00.35 | leeleeBnc | So if my sources file is configured correctly I can upgrade to stretch without any problems. |
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| 19:01.14 | greycat | Most people who have attempted the stretch upgrade have succeeded. |
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| 19:01.34 | greycat | Do you have a specific reason to suspect difficulty? |
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| 19:02.18 | TomTomTo1 | make a backup and don't worry? |
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| 19:04.11 | disaster__ | hi! i'm in trouble, when i do apt-get install mysql-server on debian i don't have the /etc/mysql/my.cnf but when i do locate my.cnf he think he exist... if you have an idea on what's the problem |
| 19:04.40 | greycat | disaster__: did you previously remove the file with 'rm' or similar commands? |
| 19:05.11 | greycat | !confmiss |
| 19:05.11 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
| 19:05.18 | disaster__ | greycat: yes |
| 19:05.25 | greycat | OK, see what dpkg just said. |
| 19:07.18 | TomTomTo1 | ,file /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 19:07.21 | judd | Search for /etc/mysql/my.cnf in jessie/amd64: mysql-common: etc/mysql/my.cnf |
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| 19:07.42 | TomTomTo1 | on the mysql-common package, then. |
| 19:08.29 | disaster__ | greycat: still missing |
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| 19:09.34 | greycat | disaster__: as TomTomTo1 showed, the package you must reinstall is mysql-common not mysql-server |
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| 19:10.50 | disaster__ | i'll look at this thanks |
| 19:11.24 | alt0id | ok i had a xorg error while loading, it didnt want to boot properly |
| 19:11.27 | disaster__ | work thanks a lot |
| 19:11.33 | alt0id | any idea why? how do i paste in console again? |
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| 19:15.12 | TomTomTo1 | using pastebinit or something like cmd | curl -F c=@- https://ptpb.pw/ |
| 19:15.33 | verticlebert | Babilen: https://twitter.com/ugosan/status/851861949071720449 |
| 19:16.09 | verticlebert | DO telling customer's it isn't from the outage but it looks like they issued a retore command to get my box out of the tire fire that is their DC |
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| 19:16.45 | dax | i stopped using digital ocean after they made an amazing mess of my billing information to the point that they couldn't bill me any more |
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| 19:17.07 | dax | at which point i deleted my account and told them they can shove any remaining invoice somewhere fun |
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| 19:19.21 | alt0id | by any chance does anyone know how does that xorg.conf reconfigure command go again? |
| 19:19.41 | alt0id | i just opened it and its still ati/amd related. it didnt reconfig |
| 19:19.41 | greycat | There isn't an xorg.conf by default any more. |
| 19:19.48 | greycat | ... you have one. |
| 19:19.55 | alt0id | lol yes |
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| 19:20.00 | greycat | How weird. Maybe try moving it out of the way. |
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| 19:20.10 | greycat | If that works, keep it gone. |
| 19:21.19 | alt0id | greycat: yeah it worked up until now. I think it made a real mess with the new modern drivers |
| 19:21.33 | alt0id | any idea how i can invert the mess without deleting everything and starting all over? |
| 19:21.55 | greycat | Start by moving the xorg.conf file aside. |
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| 19:23.15 | alt0id | greycat: so if i delete xord.conf right now and reboot. Will a new one reconfigure automatically? |
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| 19:23.41 | greycat | There is no xorg.conf by default these days. It won't be created. It won't exist. |
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| 19:23.59 | verticlebert | dax: honestly I have had a great exp with DO. They've been super friendly every time I contact them. Their invoicing has only been in my favor. |
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| 19:25.09 | alt0id | HAHA it worked |
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| 19:27.03 | TomTomTo1 | DO left my droplets running when i fogot to reload my account, instead of immediately shutting them down, which was rather nice of them. |
| 19:29.44 | Mathisen | same here DO left my dropplets on also like 3 weeks in negative balance |
| 19:30.20 | scrps | didn't DO just accidentally wipe one of their DBs today? |
| 19:30.30 | dax | meanwhile, DO has repeatedly had major data loss events |
| 19:30.40 | dax | so hopefully y'all have backups |
| 19:31.57 | scrps | sorry it happened last week: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/04/11/database_deletion_downed_digital_ocean_last_week/ |
| 19:32.59 | Mathisen | well they restored it without any data loss |
| 19:33.56 | dax | better than the past, which is what i was referring to |
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| 19:34.22 | dax | maybe they figured out since then that hosts die and added redundancy. i wouldn't know. |
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| 19:35.38 | Mathisen | misstakes can hapen, gitlab did the same thing |
| 19:35.45 | Mathisen | https://about.gitlab.com/2017/02/01/gitlab-dot-com-database-incident/ |
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| 19:40.36 | tw | Is there a sieve-based (rfc5228) MDA that can be called like procmail? I don't want to install a full IMAP server. |
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| 19:44.23 | beeman | hi |
| 19:44.44 | beeman | quick question... What is the equivalent file debian-live-8.7.1-amd64-gnome-desktop.iso for torrent? |
| 19:46.23 | tw | add .torrent to the end of the filename after .iso |
| 19:46.31 | TomTomTo1 | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/bt-hybrid/debian-live-8.7.1-amd64-gnome-desktop.iso.torrent |
| 19:46.42 | beeman | thx. |
| 19:46.48 | TomTomTo1 | you have to go back a few steps in the directory structure. |
| 19:46.53 | qqx | tw: The mailutils package includes a program called sieve which may be what you're looking for. |
| 19:47.59 | beeman | How could I find it on debian website? |
| 19:48.02 | tw | qqx: thanks, that looks like the right direction. |
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| 19:49.37 | TomTomTo1 | beeman: on debian.org Getting Debian in the top bar > 64-bit PC live torrents |
| 19:50.19 | beeman | thx |
| 19:50.29 | TomTomTo1 | np |
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| 20:24.29 | tobiasBora | Hello, |
| 20:24.42 | tobiasBora | I installed proftpd and configured sftp access |
| 20:25.23 | missmbob | sftp goes over ssh. has nothing to do with proftpd |
| 20:25.30 | tobiasBora | the problem is that now I'd like to do the same thing for ftp |
| 20:26.08 | tobiasBora | missmbob: well with mod_sftp.c I didn't have any problem to set up sftp... |
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| 20:27.02 | greycat | people do some truly bizarre shit, don't they |
| 20:27.24 | tobiasBora | So how could I set up for each user an ftp account to his own /home/<user> directory? |
| 20:29.05 | tobiasBora | greycat: How would you do that then? Setting it using open-ssh made me buggy thing: I needed to choose between ssh connection and sftp connection... |
| 20:29.54 | greycat | If you simply install openssh-server, then anyone with a valid unix account, valid shell, and authentication can ssh *OR* sftp in. |
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| 20:30.26 | alive876 | hi, i'm looking at this sms system http://docs.jasminsms.com/en/latest/installation/index.html i am searching for minimum debian, but seem to find it... |
| 20:30.31 | greycat | But apparently you desire some weird variant of this, where people can sftp in but are trapped in a well? |
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| 20:32.47 | tobiasBora | greycat: what do you mean by "or"? |
| 20:32.57 | tobiasBora | Do you need to choose like "this user can, this user cannot" |
| 20:33.07 | greycat | If you run "ssh hostname" then you ssh in. If you run "sftp hostname" then you sftp in. |
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| 20:33.34 | tobiasBora | ok. Because me if a user were in the sftp group I can sftp it, but not ssh it |
| 20:33.42 | greycat | the WHAT group |
| 20:33.44 | tobiasBora | Maybe I did bad stuff |
| 20:33.45 | Silicium | hi there |
| 20:34.19 | tobiasBora | greycat: a group configured in open-ssh ^^ |
| 20:34.24 | greycat | uh... |
| 20:34.45 | tobiasBora | but maybe I didn't proceed in the good way |
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| 20:34.50 | Silicium | i'am using a intel 7265D Wireless AC card on stretch but wireless works but not with AC |
| 20:34.58 | tobiasBora | And for my problem for ftp? |
| 20:35.15 | n0arch | you can configure that in the sshd_config @tobiasBora |
| 20:35.35 | n0arch | setting specific users to chroot with false shell but still allowing sftp |
| 20:35.36 | tobiasBora | n0arch: ftp, not Sftp |
| 20:36.03 | tobiasBora | I installed proftpd, but I cannot do ftp... |
| 20:36.32 | greycat | backs slowly away |
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| 20:40.03 | tobiasBora | Here are the logs when I log in: http://paste.debian.net/927121 |
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| 20:40.18 | TEX | hello everyone |
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| 20:42.51 | TEX | Can someone help me get the Radeon Drivers installed in Debian 9 (Testing) ? |
| 20:43.10 | greycat | Mostly you just need to install firmware. |
| 20:43.16 | greycat | start with sudo dmesg | grep -i firmware |
| 20:43.36 | TEX | I have been working on this all day, it seemed so simple from a video but I can't seem to get it installed. |
| 20:43.43 | greycat | ... video. |
| 20:43.46 | TEX | ok... |
| 20:43.47 | greycat | Now I am getting scared. |
| 20:43.55 | TEX | lol |
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| 20:44.12 | greycat | Look for firmware loading errors in dmesg, install packages that contain firmware, reboot, see if it works. |
| 20:44.24 | teraflops | TEX: there's a wiki too, https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
| 20:44.57 | TEX | I have read the Wikis |
| 20:45.14 | teraflops | that one too? |
| 20:45.15 | TEX | I am just missing something.. |
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| 20:46.43 | teraflops | TEX: start by telling what did you try, exactly, and the errors you got. exact errors, not paraphrasing |
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| 20:48.03 | greycat | The second thing we'll probably have to do is revert all the stuff you've already done.... |
| 20:48.03 | TEX | I am relatively New to Linux...so let me walk with ya'll to resolve this... |
| 20:48.19 | TEX | How to I add the Postbin to this to get the url? |
| 20:48.21 | teraflops | greycat: hehe |
| 20:49.19 | teraflops | TEX: use http://paste.debian.net |
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| 20:51.44 | TEX | http://paste.debian.net/927123/ |
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| 20:53.19 | greycat | OK, looks like you have already installed the firmware needed for your video chipset. (But not your realtek stuff, but that can be worried about later.) |
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| 20:53.36 | TEX | ok |
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| 20:54.36 | TEX | When I Boot, I have a message on the Screen says Cinnamon is running in Software Rendering Mode |
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| 20:55.25 | TEX | I like the Cinnamon Desktop but if it is Easier, I can Use KDE or something else that is not so difficult. |
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| 20:56.54 | greycat | Next thing to do is "lspci -nn | grep VGA" to see what your chipset actually is. |
| 20:56.59 | TEX | ok |
| 20:57.14 | greycat | that's typically just one line, so you can paste it directly here |
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| 20:58.57 | TEX | root@DEB9TEST:/home/sbryson# lspci -nn | grep VGA |
| 20:58.57 | TEX | 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Trinity [Radeon HD 7640G] [1002:9903] |
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| 20:59.30 | greycat | We just had another user with that *exact* chipset earlier. |
| 20:59.38 | greycat | 10:24 slbii> 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Trinity [Radeon HD 7640G] [1002:9903] |
| 20:59.49 | TEX | that was Me as slbii |
| 20:59.53 | greycat | *facepalm* |
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| 21:00.14 | TEX | I have been at this since 6:00 AM this morning |
| 21:00.42 | missmbob | it's your usual time to go anyway ;) |
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| 21:04.12 | TEX | can you see what I am missing? |
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| 21:05.43 | greycat | ... a web page describing the current state of Linux support of the Trinity Radeon HD 7640G 1002:9903 chispet? |
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| 21:07.04 | TEX | I am on the debian.org website...but it says jessie, not Testing. The info there has done me no good this far |
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| 21:08.20 | TEX | and x.org...I just think I don't fully understand the information, but I have been trying |
| 21:08.38 | greycat | Third thing to check is the /var/log/Xorg.0.log file (if you run a display manager that starts X as root) or the ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log file (if you run startx yourself) and see which driver it's using, and look for any errors. |
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| 21:10.21 | TEX | how do I enter that? |
| 21:10.25 | teraflops | TEX: out if curiosity, it's a laptop? APU thingy? |
| 21:10.28 | teraflops | of* |
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| 21:11.08 | TEX | Yes HP Laptop |
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| 21:11.33 | TEX | all I can see to Identify it is A8 Vision AMD |
| 21:12.19 | mtn | TEX: install inxi and then run this in a terminal: inxi -Fxxrz paste the results to http://paste.debian.net |
| 21:12.23 | TEX | best I can tell the A8 is the CPU or Video APU ? |
| 21:12.31 | TEX | ok |
| 21:12.35 | mtn | TEX: that will give us a lot of good info |
| 21:12.37 | teraflops | TEX: those ones ships with dual graphics¿ |
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| 21:14.01 | TEX | http://paste.debian.net/927130/ |
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| 21:16.03 | mtn | TEX: it looks like to me that there is no proprietary driver for that card. |
| 21:16.29 | mtn | TEX: ati has dropped support for lots of older cards |
| 21:16.53 | mtn | TEX: your best bet is to get a more modern/better card |
| 21:17.11 | TEX | this machine is only about 5 yr old |
| 21:17.23 | teraflops | yeah time ago, but I think radeon should work |
| 21:17.32 | TEX | the card is in a laptop so i dont think i can change it |
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| 21:18.10 | mtn | teraflops: missing firmware? |
| 21:18.22 | teraflops | well fglrx is died and buried, and it wont work with xorg 1.9 anyway |
| 21:18.50 | teraflops | mtn: no idea, I think he pasted dmesg and fw was loaded |
| 21:18.57 | mtn | I am not familiar with the fbdev driver |
| 21:19.06 | TEX | Debian 8 worked Great, I just wanted to use this newer version of Debian since it is going to be the next Distro....I am trying to get this working so i can Study....trying to learn Drbian, read lots of books but they are not This technical |
| 21:19.25 | greycat | teraflops: near as I can tell, TEX's graphics *are* working, but he wanted it to be faster, or cooler, or both. |
| 21:19.30 | mtn | TEX: I still think it is a problem with the lack of a proprietary driver |
| 21:19.42 | mtn | they work, just not well :P |
| 21:19.50 | TEX | I just want to get it out of Rendering Mode |
| 21:19.53 | teraflops | mtn the shitty one when the good one failed to load |
| 21:20.00 | mtn | teraflops: right |
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| 21:20.19 | teraflops | greycat: but I'd expect radeon picked that card |
| 21:20.21 | mtn | TEX: try out mate or xfce. they will likely work better |
| 21:20.31 | TEX | I have rebooted several times but that doesn't appear to help it |
| 21:20.43 | mtn | TEX: no, rebooting won't help |
| 21:20.57 | greycat | I don't know if he ever posted Xorg.0.log excerpts |
| 21:21.03 | teraflops | hell I have a HD5xxx that works like a charm with radeon |
| 21:21.11 | teraflops | even older than that one |
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| 21:21.30 | TEX | How do I get Mate to replace Cinnamon? |
| 21:21.34 | teraflops | greycat: nope afaik |
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| 21:21.56 | TEX | I have read Cinnamon is Cranky |
| 21:22.06 | mtn | TEX: install mate. logout. choose mate in the login window |
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| 21:22.17 | teraflops | TEX: the issue is that youre using a shitty fallback driver with xorg, because ⦠i have no idea :S |
| 21:22.25 | TEX | lemme try that |
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| 21:23.54 | mtn | TEX: is firmware-linux-nonfree installed? |
| 21:24.10 | TEX | I believe so but will check |
| 21:24.26 | TEX | I've installed so many things I am Lost... |
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| 21:24.36 | TEX | Mate is Installing now |
| 21:24.57 | TEX | but I remember installing something non-free |
| 21:25.06 | greycat | that would have been firmware-amd-graphics |
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| 21:25.20 | TEX | ok |
| 21:25.53 | TEX | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:25.55 | teraflops | TEX: also check you have libegl1-mesa installed |
| 21:26.02 | mtn | TEX: yes |
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| 21:26.15 | mtn | TEX: spell it right, though ;) |
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| 21:27.03 | TEX | oh.....ok |
| 21:27.41 | TEX | can I run those before I reboot? MATE is installed... |
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| 21:27.49 | mtn | TEX: sure |
| 21:27.54 | TEX | ok, Thanks |
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| 21:28.03 | mtn | TEX: you don't need to reboot, anyway |
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| 21:29.57 | alekz | TEX: if firmware-linux-nonfree isn't installed, then the ATI wiki instructions wasn't properly executed |
| 21:30.05 | mtn | indeed |
| 21:30.11 | cdb23ax | hello iam running debian jessie and an apache2 webserver. i have created a vhost for my owncloud. i have a .htaccess file in my data directory but it isnt working I can see the content of every file |
| 21:30.35 | TEX | Both are installed |
| 21:30.54 | TEX | brb |
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| 21:32.39 | mutante | cdb23ax: depends on the content of your .htaccess file. did you use "Deny from all"? that would be Apache 2.2 syntax. and now it's "Require all denied". Also, if you are root anyways, don't use .htaccess files, simply edit the regular Apache config |
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| 21:37.33 | TEX | I'm back....still in software Rendering mode....couldn't figure out how to change to MATE DE |
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| 21:37.52 | missmbob | you have to restart your dm for it to show up. or restart |
| 21:38.07 | TEX | i did...twice |
| 21:38.24 | TEX | rebooted twice |
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| 21:39.13 | alekz | no need to reboot for a desktop enviroment change |
| 21:39.35 | TEX | ok, how do I change it? |
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| 21:41.45 | alekz | TEX: I'm sure you'll be able to change your desktop if you take 10 minutes to read, this may help https://goo.gl/FzJpYH |
| 21:41.56 | cdb23ax | mutante: if i use Require all denied users cannot open the website |
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| 21:42.28 | TEX | ok, working oon it...linuxquestions.org |
| 21:42.50 | mutante | cdb23ax: i don't know what you are trying to achieve between "i can see the contents of every file" and "users can't open files" |
| 21:43.40 | cdb23ax | my problem the opensource cloud owncloud says that the datafile is reachable from the internet and that my htaccess is not working i didnt make the htaccess it is provided in the owncloud package |
| 21:44.28 | cdb23ax | the .htaccess looks like this: https://pastebin.com/LKHt7fmS |
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| 21:46.04 | mutante | cdb23ax: ok, thanks for pasting. so what is the error from owncloud. which file does it care about that should not be public |
| 21:46.51 | cdb23ax | your data directory and your files are probably accessible from the internet |
| 21:46.59 | mutante | cdb23ax: did owncloud also tell you which apache modules it needs to be installed and you did that? |
| 21:47.32 | cdb23ax | yes i installed all apache2 modules that it asked |
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| 21:50.27 | mutante | cdb23ax: hmmm.. sorry, i dont really know, but try watching apache error.log while accessing it. also try asking it in #owncloud |
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| 21:50.46 | mutante | it's not what i originally thought this was |
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| 22:39.30 | TEX | hello |
| 22:39.38 | mutante | sup |
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| 22:39.57 | TEX | working on DE for Debian 9 |
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| 22:40.21 | prompt32 | helloukworkd, why debian is so back in kernel versions ? |
| 22:40.28 | TEX | I got MATE to Work but don't like it.... |
| 22:40.53 | mutante | TEX: DE made me think you are doing the German translation |
| 22:41.00 | TEX | now I would like to get the KDE Environment working |
| 22:41.11 | TEX | lol Desktop Environment |
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| 22:41.28 | mutante | TEX: ok :) i just use Gnome, havent seen KDE in a decade or so, heh |
| 22:41.53 | TEX | I really like Cinnamon DE but for some reason my AMD/Radeon Card refuses to work with it |
| 22:42.16 | TEX | well...Gnome might work, been a long time since I seen it |
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| 22:44.07 | prompt32 | i love minimum debian ISO. then a custom make config of Openbox, then i get in gui, with 60-70 MB :) |
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| 22:44.59 | TEX | I am working with Debian 9 |
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| 22:45.14 | mtn | TEX: kde will have the same problem you had with cinnamon |
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| 22:45.27 | TEX | and then Learn to to Use and Admin Debian |
| 22:45.32 | l33n | i have set my gateway to 10.2.2.2 yet pinging it never works |
| 22:45.35 | mtn | TEX: so will gnome |
| 22:45.41 | TEX | darn! |
| 22:46.03 | l33n | also what i put in /etc/network/interfaces never takes, dhcpcd.conf takes priority |
| 22:46.05 | mtn | TEX: they all are picky about the video card/driver |
| 22:46.06 | TEX | MATE just lacks alot |
| 22:46.17 | mtn | TEX: you could also try xfce |
| 22:46.20 | l33n | i don't know why it all of a sudden stopped being relevant |
| 22:46.33 | TEX | ahhh...yes I will try to install that maybe |
| 22:47.15 | mtn | TEX: I imagine you won't like it, though ;) |
| 22:47.25 | TEX | lol |
| 22:47.34 | TEX | I am Soiled to Cinnamon |
| 22:47.46 | TEX | it is difficult to switch |
| 22:47.47 | prompt32 | l33n, maybe dhcpd runs as a service, and take your if anyway ... |
| 22:48.29 | TEX | Spoiled |
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| 22:49.14 | TEX | I have been able to use Cinnamon in every Flavor Except Debian 9, Debian 8 it was just fine |
| 22:50.39 | mtn | TEX: you used the proprietary driver, didn't you? |
| 22:51.03 | TEX | I don't think so... |
| 22:51.19 | TEX | I thought nonfree. |
| 22:51.36 | TEX | I am not sure, everything I read says you need nonfree |
| 22:51.50 | TEX | XFCE |
| 22:51.59 | TEX | wrong screen |
| 22:52.02 | TEX | lol |
| 22:52.09 | TEX | I hae 2 pc's running |
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| 23:04.20 | TEX | You must believe Your SPECIAL huh..... |
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