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00:11.58daxnot according to dpkg
00:12.00daxdpkg: secure boot
00:12.00dpkg"Secure boot" is a hardware restriction feature of the <UEFI> specification.  It prevents the loading of drivers / operating system loaders not signed with an accepted digital signature.  While Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later releases support installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), secure boot is currently not supported.  See https://www.fsf.org/campaigns/secure-boot-vs-restricted-boot for secure boot implementation concerns.
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00:13.16LybertaI have a laptop that supports UEFI but it seems there is no way to disable secure boot if I choose UEFI
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00:13.37daxthat's odd, there's almost always an option for that
00:13.47daxsince Microsoft (used to? dunno if it changed) requires it
00:13.58daxfor computers certified for Windows or whatever the terminology is
00:15.14Lybertathis laptop case with Ubuntu 12.04 preinstalled and HDD in MBR mode, I want to reformat to GPT and install Debian on it
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00:56.13heyhois it safe to have root start apache2 initially as seen here: http://imgur.com/a/vHooh
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01:07.44bambuI have configured NetworkManager to share my wireless connection with my ethernet device, but I am unable to SSH into the box that is acting as the bridge
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01:08.58bambuis this an issue associated with NetworkManager, and would I be better off diabling it and following https://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections
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01:38.18kionI am trying to get a new laptop with Intel graphics and Nvidia to work properly, right now only the intel card is working, I think there is a package for hybrid graphics...
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01:38.57bazhang,v nvidia-prime
01:38.58juddNo package named 'nvidia-prime' was found in amd64.
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01:47.00kionwhat is nvidia-prime?
01:48.27dvsa transformer!
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02:14.34kionbazhang, Ther is no nvidia-prime in debian, is there another name of that package?
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02:15.04drpresidentyou can use bumblebee
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02:15.35drpresidentI have an alienware 14 and bumblebee worked for me a couple years ago
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02:16.06kiondrpresident, ok so we have no other option than bumblebee right?
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03:16.03nbros652Can anyone tell me whether the duration of LTS support for Debian differs when you use a different desktop environment? For example, in Ubuntu 16.04 LTS is supported for 5 years with Unity but only 3 years with Mate.
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03:32.10nbros652Can anyone tell me whether the duration of LTS support for Debian differs when you use a different desktop environment? For example, in Ubuntu 16.04 LTS is supported for 5 years with Unity but only 3 years with Mate.
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03:50.26LiuYannbros652: https://wiki.debian.org/LTS  i didn't see different support duration/lifetime between desktop environments
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03:50.48nbros652LiuYan, I didn't either. That's why I was asking.
03:52.14nbros652LiuYan, does the LTS support apply only to the standard.iso image or does it apply to the mate-desktop.iso and others as well?
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03:53.30microsis there a place where i can run a command at startup the very first time the system boots and then not again without changing anything?
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03:55.31nbros652micros, have you considered using a script that deletes itself?
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03:56.13microsno. i had not
03:56.37microsbut then the caller of the script gets a file not found error
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03:56.48microsso i would have to adjust the caller as well
03:56.52microsor just adjust the caller
03:57.02nbros652[ -e /your/script file ] && run script
03:57.24microsah fair point
03:57.30nbros652only runs script if it exists.
03:57.39microsif [-e ...]
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03:57.59microsthats reasonably elegant too
03:58.00microsthank you
03:58.01nbros652micro you can use if if you like.
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03:58.09microsoh, is it not required?
03:58.21nbros652not in bash or sh
03:58.26contrapunctuso/
03:58.34microsnifty
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03:58.49microsharder to understand unless you know it well... but nifty still
03:58.53nbros652[ test ] && do something if true || do something if false
03:59.26nbros652micros, I find one liners are easy for single commands. It's just preference though.
03:59.34microsthis script would be called from?  rc.local ?
03:59.55microsthis is a post setup step
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04:00.12microsfor setting up my wifi password... but if i image my sd card, i want it to be different on other devices
04:00.20nbros652micros, or you could do it from cron @reboot
04:01.20microsif i do it from cron, does the cron remove the job after the first reboot, or does it run every reboot?
04:01.26contrapunctusHow do I install ImageMagick in Debian? I've installed imagemagick, imagemagick-6-common, imagemagick-6.q16, imagemagick-6.q16hdri and imagemagick-common, and don't see any binaries (dpkg -L <package>) from any of them...
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04:02.39nbros652micros, from cron, you'd probably want to call a script that runs your test. In other words, it would be indirect. On the other hand [ test] && run/script might work in cron.
04:02.44microsalternatively, what about piping the output from awk into a file such that if the line doesnt exist in the file, its appended to the end, otherwise, the line is replaced?  the syntax for piping into sed is a bit confusing.   So far i have cat /sys/class/net/eth0/address | awk -F ':' '{print "wpa_passphrase=" $4 $5 $6}' >> /home/pi/file.txt  which prints the last 6 digits of the mac as the
04:02.44microspassphrase.
04:03.23nbros652micros, I'm pretty sure I've used [ test ] && script in cron before
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04:10.20tpanarch1sthello, tried to ask this question in mint and got nowhere, i'm trying to install avg on nix for the purposes of scanning a windows unmounted partition, totally stuck - obviously googled, followed instructions there but i'm stuck on the securing engine options - none work
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04:11.46LiuYannbros652: as far as i know, there's no mate-deskto.iso except a MATE Live CD, so i *guess* Debian LTS covers all desktop environments.
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06:21.59binary-zeroHi folks - need some help on my recent install; seems like my mdadm installation has broken the systemd
06:22.19binary-zeromy services aren't working properly i.e. don't start , if i try to start manually - they fail with errors
06:22.50binary-zerotried upgrading the code but seems like it's the latest version so not sure what should I try
06:23.30binary-zeroExample of services broken: ssh , I have to manually start it by running sshd.
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07:23.48DrBunsenHello, how can I monitor what processes are accessing one of my hard drives?
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07:24.57SwedeMikeDrBunsen: "iotop" is one way to look at it.
07:27.26DrBunsenSwedeMike: Can that show me to which HDD there is being written to?
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07:28.47Aeoglances does that
07:28.57Aeoby /dev device
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07:29.35Aeowatch -d du -sh is another
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07:30.07SwedeMikeDrBunsen: it seems iotop cannot do this per device, no.
07:30.25Aeo^
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07:30.44DrBunsenSwedeMike: Nope it doesn't
07:31.00DrBunsenAeo: Thanks for suggesting glances
07:31.38DrBunseniotop -o would be extremely handy if you only got 1 disk though
07:31.46Aeoit's a fair bit more, and in python that's not particularly nice. I'm a fan for prettiness, but the latter for when I want /stats/
07:32.08AeoUI lag, etc
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07:32.22Aeobut dope otherwise
07:32.40DrBunsenUI lag as in that it refreshes only every second?
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07:33.12Aeoyeah, and it doesn't handle paging fast through processes
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07:34.02Aeoit's per core vis (hit 1) sucks for tons o cores
07:34.25DrBunsenAhh, well I was just curious. I just inserted 2 HDDs into my machine to make a backup, and it was making an awful noise while being idle
07:34.45AeoI got one that sounded spectacular as it died
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07:34.57Aeopew pew, like starwars blasters
07:35.13DrBunsenlol, han-solo joined and left as you said that
07:35.24DrBunsenit just sounds like the 90s all over again here atm
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07:35.33Aeo:>)
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08:27.29neoclust2hi,
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09:10.12MaDMaLKaVgood morning guys
09:10.29MaDMaLKaVanyone knwo why there is no php5 packages in SID for amd64 ?
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09:29.14centrx!ask
09:29.14dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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09:31.51centrxMaDMaLKaV: I suspect it's because PHP5 is now quite old
09:32.11centrxMaDMaLKaV: Here is the ticket about it's removal from Debian: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=841781
09:32.12juddBug http://bugs.debian.org/841781 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: php-json, php5 -- ROM; obsoleted by src:php7.0»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-10-23; last modified: 2017-02-11.
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09:38.44Iridoshow did you find that?
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09:41.56Iridoscentrx, how did you find that bug?
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09:42.29centrxIridos: I searched for [php5 removal debian bug]
09:42.40centrxsearched Google
09:42.48Iridosdpkmeh
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09:43.05MaDMaLKaVcentrx:  thanks for the info
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09:43.28IridosI looked at the qa page and the bug page… I think at the bug page the removal bug shouldn't be archived
09:43.38Iridosdpkg, literal php5
09:43.38dpkg"php5" is "<reply> see php"
09:43.40centrxMaDMaLKaV: You can try using the php5 package from stable, or try recompiling it from stable
09:44.19MaDMaLKaVyeah, that's an option
09:45.25Iridosdpkg, no, php5 is <reply> php5 was removed from archives Jan 2017. See https://bugs.debian.org/841781 and <php>
09:45.25dpkgokay, Iridos
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09:46.10TEXGood Morning
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09:51.20ScandalousAppleHi, not a strictly debian question but any ideas about how I can create an ssh honeypot? Bots try to brute force my machine (I don't use the default ssh port) and I want to collect all the dodgy hostnames and decline access
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09:51.53sonOfRa!fail2ban
09:51.53dpkgFail2ban invokes system access restrictions after repeated logon attempts.  It uses <ssh> and <iptables> by default, but can be extended to whatever authentication and access denial system you're using.  Fail2ban does not support <IPv6> (Debian bug #470417).  http://www.fail2ban.org/  See also <denyhosts>.
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09:52.33ScandalousApplethanks a lot :)
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09:54.46IridossonOfRa, that would only work when there's an actual ssh listening on that port
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09:56.51sonOfRaIridos: you can always run an ssh daemon on that port that is configured not to let anyone in at all
09:57.12sonOfRaThe benefits are questionable, but it's possible.
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10:45.23gryhi
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10:45.29MCMicWhen I apt update it does not get the info from a repo, I guess it thinks it is already up to date, but is there any way to force getting the info?
10:46.38gryMCMic, what message do you get to conclude 'it does not get the info from a repo' ?
10:47.05MCMicgry: In french it says «Atteint» instead of «Réception» for this repo
10:47.30gryprepend LC_ALL=C before the command, and it will tell it in English
10:47.31MCMicAnd when I run apt policy on a package I do not see the version from this repo
10:47.39gry'LC_ALL=C apt-get update'
10:47.51MCMicSo it says «Hit»
10:48.00gryOkay, thanks
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10:50.15MCMicgry: Is there any way to ask apt update to force update all repos even if the cache is recent?
10:50.19petn-randall!bat
10:50.19dpkgIn order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy".  Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information.  Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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10:50.48gryMCMic, see what petn-randall and dpkg said above. out of my knowledge area sorry
10:50.51petn-randallMCMic: Can you provide the infos ^^^. Use "LC_ALL=C" in front of all messages to make them use plain english.
10:51.04dgriffidoes anyone here use Deluge as a torrent client/server?
10:51.11gryclient
10:53.04dgriffiI somehow blew away $HOME/.config/deluge during a backup/restore and now I can't figure out how to re-add torrents and the files they point to
10:53.22dgriffithat is... without downloading the contents all over again.
10:53.31MCMicpetn-randall: https://paste.opensides.be/?9ae65a672b86e8f5#nx+mDdhAm8EBd+0iFvnsGksRXOq746gc/2YtQ/V1Ijw=
10:53.32dgriffiI just want it to re-check and continue from there...
10:53.42dgriffibut the forced rechecks don't actually do anything
10:53.54dgriffiexcept maybe a brief flash of "checking 0%" and that's it
10:53.59MCMicThe package fusiondirectory is supposed to be available in the repo appearing in the second command but the first one does not list it
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10:57.12petn-randallMCMic: It looks like you're running an (incomplete) Ubuntu instalation. Support for Ubuntu is in #ubuntu.
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10:57.55MCMicpetn-randall: But is there anyway to ask apt to update ignoring cache from previous request?
10:58.06MCMicpetn-randall: And can I list cache information for a given repo?
10:59.01petn-randallMCMic: The right place is to ask in #ubuntu, since you're running Ubuntu. They've got different versions of apt that behave different to the Debian ones.
10:59.11MCMic:-/
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11:18.28MCMicpetn-randall: answer was the cache is in /var/lib/apt/lists and delete the lists in there allows to update them with apt update after
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11:18.51MCMicJust checked on my debian and it’s exactly the same thing.
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11:20.22amy_hi. my g4 power mac has two monitors, the graphics card is a radeon 9000 rv250. using xrandr, i cannot assign the monitors to display separately; they are always in clone mode. I have tried using the display settings within xfce4 as well, and this also fails. is this a know issue?
11:21.07amy_i am using the stable branch of debian, this is a new install of 8.7 stable
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11:29.27petn-randallMCMic: That's not the answer to your problem, though.
11:29.58MCMicpetn-randall: It was
11:30.09MCMicpetn-randall: More importantly it was the answer to my question
11:30.26petn-randallshrugs.
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11:30.38petn-randallI guess you left out some important details then.
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11:31.20sypherMCMic: Most importantly, we do not support Ubuntu in this channel, regardless of how relevant you think your problem is to Debian. Seek assistance with Ubuntu in #ubuntu in the future.
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11:31.58MCMicI never spoke about ubuntu before being asked
11:32.12MCMicI asked a general question about how apt works, which is a debian tool
11:32.24MCMicAnd the answer was go ask somewhere else, it’s stupid
11:32.41FinalXit's a package manager, and APT works differently in each version, Ubuntu has a higher version than latest Debian stable.
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11:32.46petn-randallMCMic: This channel is not a generic apt support channel. Anyways, we're getting offtopic here.
11:32.48FinalXand works differently, as for instance, it drops privs.
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11:33.03FinalX(xenial's and higher drop privileges, whereas jessie's does not)
11:33.08FinalXso no, they are not the same.
11:33.28dgriffiis there any chance of getting MATE 1.18 into Stretch?
11:33.40FinalXstretch is frozen, anything not already in there, won't get in there
11:33.42dgriffi1.16 has some rather irritating problems
11:34.02MCMicI would have been fine with a debian specific answer, I also use debian anyway so this kind of question about how apt works pops in different contexts
11:34.07MCMicAnyway, bye
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11:34.30petn-randalldgriffi: If you can convince the maintainer and the release team that these are release-critical, you might be able to get a fix backported.
11:34.49dgriffithey're not exactly critical
11:35.26dgriffifor one... 1.18 is entirely gtk3... being partially gtk2 (1.16) leads to odd problems of some things working and some not
11:35.39FinalXcould easily end up in stretch-backports, though
11:35.44dgriffiI hope so
11:36.42dgriffithe most irritating thing about 1.16 is that if you put the workspace-switcher on the top of the screen, then there will be a 1-pixel strip just at the edge of the display where the pointer will not register as being on the workplace-switcher
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11:37.01dgriffithis means you cannot simply jam the mouse up there and click to a different workspace
11:37.09FinalXheh, annoying
11:37.38dgriffiso I'm pondering removing all MATE stuff from APT and installing MATE entirely from source
11:37.50dgriffiI've no idea how to debianify MATE
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11:38.45dgriffithen there's the problem of you can no longer change the colors of the window decorations because of a fundamental change in how GTK3 does theming
11:39.13dgriffiI've sort of found a solution using sed, but that's like using a backhoe to kill a fly
11:40.10FinalXwell, the way you describe things, changing from MATE 1.16 to MATE 1.18 is not an in-place upgrade as dependencies and behaviour change.. so now I'm even more certain it won't make it into the initial stretch release. backports still remain an option, though, but in that case you'll have to wait until after stretch's release and logner.
11:40.12FinalXlonger*
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11:48.51TEXanyone in here familiar installing Mozilla Thunderbird in Debian 8.7.1 ?
11:49.26petn-randallTEX: Just ask ahead, maybe someone knowing the answer will respond.
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11:50.46TEXI have it Working but I do so by creating a shortcut to the folder. I unzipped it but do not know how to get it to install and be recognixed by Debian in the Menu Bar
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11:51.34TEXHistorically it was not a problem, this is Thunderbird 52.0 and something is different
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11:52.08TEXI am New to Linux and have Searched the Internet  to no avail.
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11:53.07petn-randall,v thunderbird
11:53.07TEXYoutube also....I think it is too New but i don't get a choice to download an olde version
11:53.08juddPackage: thunderbird on amd64 -- sid: 1:45.8.0-3; stretch: 1:45.8.0-3
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11:53.33petn-randallTEX: Thunderbird is called 'icedove' in Debian jessie. Just install that package.
11:53.37petn-randall,v icedove
11:53.38juddPackage: icedove on amd64 -- wheezy: 38.7.0-1~deb7u1; jessie: 1:45.3.0-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 1:45.6.0-1~deb8u1; wheezy-security: 1:45.6.0-2~deb7u1; stretch: 1:45.8.0-3; sid: 1:45.8.0-3
11:53.47petn-randall!why icedove
11:53.48dpkgDue to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos.   Mozilla Corp revoked the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names.  See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information.  http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933.  Ask me about <dfsg> <iceweasel vs firefox>.
11:53.51TEXI dont want Ice dove....
11:54.09TEXI have always had Thunderbird and want to stay with it
11:54.30TEXI understand the IceDove issue
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11:54.33petn-randallTEX: Or install the thunderbird from mozilla.debian.net, which is by the same people that maintain the packages in Debian.
11:54.50TEXlet me try that...Thank You
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11:57.52TEXoops...that is just an info page....
12:00.14petn-randallTEX: Ignore the "icedove" on that page, it needs updating. Adding their repo will give you access to a thunderbird package.
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12:02.18TEXdo I simply Add the url to the Repository list in Synaptic?
12:02.39TEXAnd for Section just put Main?
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12:03.27petn-randallActually, I take that back. Seems as though they don't have thunderbird packages for stable, sorry.
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12:03.57petn-randallTEX: I'd simply go with icedove. It's just the name and the logo changed, everything else is 100%* the same.
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12:04.56FinalXI never got why Iceweasel and Icedove, though.. Mozilla branding thing issue with licensing?
12:05.19TEXI have the Abilty to Run Thunderbird i just don't like the way it is setup is all...
12:05.54TEXI am getting my email for now...hopefully they work something out soon
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12:06.06petn-randallTEX: Those steps aren't trivial, which is why packages exist.
12:07.05TEXThey have FireFox so hopefully Thunderbird is on it's way soon
12:07.47dgriffiTEX: yes... thunderbird is in Stretch
12:07.57dgriffiTEX: as opposed to icedove
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12:08.29TEXI know your advice is Sound...Problem is Me...I don't like Change. I have been using Thunderbird for several years now on a Windows PC and I have Grown to Love it.
12:08.43TEXGreat News
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12:09.09TEXExcept i am not having alot of Luck with Stretch and the Cinnamon DE
12:09.16dgriffiTEX: I'm a bit like that too... which is why I was very quick to jump over to using MATE
12:09.23TEXLike I say, I don't like Change
12:09.52TEXI ran it successfully with KDE and MATE but I still refer Cinnamon
12:09.55dgriffiTEX: prior to that, I stuck with fvwm version 1.24
12:10.08TEXI need to write those guys and ask them WHAT is UP....
12:10.48dgriffiTEX: the scuttlebutt I heard was that whoever was objecting to Debian debianifying the Firefox packages finally gave up
12:10.57TEXIt is a funny thing to me, I can run the Cinnamon DE in Debian 8.7.1 but Not 9 (Testing)...Why Not???
12:11.14dgriffiI know nothing of Cinnamon...
12:11.31TEXI have an AMD/Radeon Video Adaptor
12:12.01TEXbut if it works with Cinnamon in Ver 8.7.1, it should Also in 9
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12:12.29TEXbut I get error, Software Renedering mode and it Does Overheat my Laptop
12:12.54TEXso I switched back to Debian 8.7.1
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12:13.35TEXI know they cahnge things but Why the Video Adaptor Compatibilty?
12:13.51TEXwe only have 2 vendors...sheesh
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12:14.17towo^workyou have installed the non-free firmware for the amd graphics?
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12:14.25TEXyes
12:14.45towo^workcan you provide a Xorg.0.log?
12:15.33TEXI am on my Desktop and it works Beautifully with 8.7.1
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12:15.45TEXI will if you tell me how...
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12:16.05towo^workit would only be helpfull from a system, where it is not working
12:16.06TEXI am not Seasoned with the commands yet
12:16.13TEXbut working on it
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12:19.21TEXok, well it wasn't working in Ver 9 (Testing)
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12:19.31TEXI have deleted that Distro
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12:20.18TEXI read where Testing is Frozen but I am hoping something gets fixed so I can Upgrade to 9
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12:21.36TEXmy Main PC has an AMD/Radeon R7/240 Video Adapter and I really don't want to have to Replace it
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12:22.12TEXI am running 8.7.1 and it really works Nicely and in the Cinnamon DE....
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12:23.32TEXThe Graphics adaptor in my Laptop is an AMD/Radeon HD 7640G
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12:23.43TEXthat is the one i had trouble with
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12:24.07TEXI havent tried Testing on this PC yet with the R7
12:24.16TEXmaybe I need to since it is New
12:24.30sypherPlease take non-support chatter to offtopic.
12:24.32towo^workas long as you can't provide lelevant logfiles from such not working system, no one can help you
12:24.45towo^work*relevant
12:25.20TEXhe must be Kin to the Ops over in linixmint-help...
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12:25.44TEXI understand...just hoping
12:26.05sypherSecondly, this channel doesn't provide support to testing. That's elsewhere.
12:26.18TEXok ok...drop it
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12:28.19TEXmaybe you should re-read the Topic...I see testing/unstable
12:28.47TEXoh maybe your right...I appologize
12:29.16monbanhello, I'm doing Rails development on a vps running Debian Testing, I want to write a bash script to (using ufw or something) allow access to port 3000 for only myself, I think I can figure that part out but is there an easy way to get the ip address from which I am connecting?
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12:29.37monbanput another way, is there an easy way to ask Debian what address I'm connecting FROM?
12:29.44TEX#debian-next is Invite-Only
12:29.55tremon#debian-next is on irc.oftc.net
12:30.19TEXI don't know how to get there from here
12:31.32blackflowmonban: the (ssh) logs will usually have the entry, but if I understood you correctly, you want to allow any IP, and after you connect, limit access only to that IP?
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12:31.54TEXFound it...
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12:32.35monbanblackflow: well the ports are different, so ssh should be allowed from anywhere, but once I'm in and start my rails server (which runs on port 3000) I want to whitelist port 3000 from ONLY the ip address that the current ssh session is coming from
12:32.39monbanif that makes sense?
12:32.54blackflowyes. check journalctl -n -u ssh.service
12:33.06tremonmonban: something like curl https://ifconfig.co/ might work
12:34.03tremonwhy open the port at all? why not use port forwarding over ssh and bind the rails app to localhost?
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12:34.29blackflowmonban: also consider a mechanism similar to ssh port knocking. Eg, you allow access only to a specific (very hard to guess) URL, and after you reach it, your application can allow further access to the IP that requested the URL. Note that it makes sense only over encrypted connection.
12:34.51RA3ORadams.freenode.net
12:35.10monbantremon: so the curl gives me the ip of the vps, which isn't what I need, but I like what you're thinking with the ssh tunnel, that makes a lot of sense, means the traffic from the rails server is encrypted and protected by the ssh tunnel as well, right?
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12:36.33blackflowmonban: yes, like a vpn
12:36.35tremonyes, it is. see man ssh, option -L (forward local port to remote)
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12:37.10monbanbut I also like blackflow's idea of grabbing the ip address from the log, then just sticking it in an environment variable immediately after login
12:37.39tremonyou already have that btw, $SSH_CLIENT
12:37.46blackflowmonban: nah, if you're relying on ssh, the socks proxy is really the simplest solution
12:38.07monbanI can just put in my .profile to do the journalctl  -n -u ssh.service pipe that to tail and look for 'Accepted publickey'
12:38.12blackflowSSH_CLIENT, TIL
12:38.21Eszett_Hi! I have a question.. is it possible the language of a installed Debian afterwards ?
12:38.31monbanoh wow $SSH_CLIENT that's... really easy...
12:38.35Eszett_I have it "german", but like to have it back to english
12:38.37twalso SSH_CONNECTION if you need both sides.
12:39.23monbanhmm, okay so $SSH_CLIENT is the really easy solution, but I still might look at doing the ssh port forwarding because it encrypts the traffic just for the extra security, really good options all, thanks much to you both
12:39.32twIt doesn't help if MITM can NAT your packets though.
12:39.37towo^workEszett_, dpkg-reconfigure locales && dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
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12:40.04twyou're better off with ssh -D or -L and forwarding the connection inside ssh.
12:40.18Eszett_towo: ah? let me see
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12:42.21dionysus69how does libvirt/kvm/qemu (dunno what all those mean together) compare to virtualbox in terms of performance?
12:42.49dionysus69one thing I know is that virtualbox is much more userfriendly, but do I get penalized in terms of performance?
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12:43.40twIf you're going to do desktop things, use vbox; it's faster to configure if you like clicking. If you're going to run server things, use qemu/kvm.
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12:45.18blackflowvirt-manager is not a bad GUI for KVM/qemu either.
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12:48.11dionysus69blackflow: yes thats what I am using virt-manager
12:48.20dionysus69but there are gotchas like requires root to run etc etc
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12:48.41blackflowdionysus69: kvm is the kernel virtual machine subsystem for virtualization, requires hardware support (pretty much any intel/amd cpu since few years ago). qemu is virtualization/emulation software that utilizes kvm. libvirt is a library of virtualization functions used by various virtualization programs.
12:48.43twthey're probably pretty close for perf. You still have to play with both to get reasonable io performance. I don't think you can force hugepages with vbox either, so you have the extra pagetable lookups.
12:48.43dionysus69I assume its a better solution to run headless
12:49.17blackflowdionysus69: iirc, you can make your user part of libvirtd group and wouldn't need root
12:50.04dionysus69how is the command for that again ? :D
12:50.10dionysus69for adding user to group :D
12:50.42blackflowusermod -a -G libvirtd youruser     but check the group, I'm not 100% it's the correct name, it's been a while since I used it last
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12:51.40dionysus69blackflow: just libvirtd was enough now doesn't need root :D :)
12:51.43dionysus69thanks so much!
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12:52.36blackflowdionysus69: ah, libvirt and kvm, according to this: https://wiki.debian.org/KVM
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12:54.51dionysus69ok added to kvm too :)
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12:57.16thereyougoso I got my PC hibernated, using pm-hibernate, and it had USB flash drive attached, and after it woke up, I go this in dmessg: http://sprunge.us/hSMD, in particular the line: "end_request: I/O error, dev sdd, sector 11815032", should I be concerned ? the thing is that flash drive has 2 partitions and they are both is still mounted correctly and all files are readable normaly, but still the line says:
12:57.22thereyougo"I/O error", is it important ? also, now its few hours as I turned PC on, and I use files from that flash drive without any errors
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13:14.07LachezarHello all. When installing certain packages (say docker.io) purging them does not clean all changes made to the OS when installing. Is there any way to monitor/audit such changes, and eventually allow real cleanup?
13:14.15Lachezars/real/complete/
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13:21.11ackbcan I activate stretch/testing for just one package like lftp?
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13:24.36sypherackb: No. Backport the package.
13:24.37sypher!ssb
13:24.37dpkgFirst, check for a backport on <debian-backports>.  If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.  To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
13:25.21ackbsypher, but I could activate the testing repo and do install -t testing for that package right?
13:25.43zykotick9ackb: NOT a good idea.  see "/msg dpkg frankendebian"
13:25.45ackbthat would only pull stable/testing dependencies for that package, not testing for the whole system?
13:25.54sypherackb: Again, no. Do that at your own risk, and we will NOT support the resulting broken system.
13:26.06sypher!dontbreakdebian
13:26.06dpkghmm... dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
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13:27.06ackbwhat about backports? does it provide a newer version of lftp?
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13:27.18Devastator!checkbackport lftp
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13:27.23sypherackb: First, do you actually need the newer version?
13:27.27sypher,check-backport lftp
13:27.29juddBackporting package lftp in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie, virtual.
13:27.34sypher,v lftp
13:27.35juddPackage: lftp on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.3.6-1+deb7u2; jessie: 4.6.0-1+deb8u1; stretch: 4.7.4-1; sid: 4.7.7-1
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13:33.04ackblftp 4.6.0 in jessie is from 2014...there are a lot of fixes/additions. See http://lftp.tech/news.html
13:35.04nkuttlerackb: debian backports important fixes to stable
13:35.31sypherThat doesn't really establish a need. What new feature do you need that doesn't exist in stable?
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13:42.05JubeiHello everyone. netstat shows me on port 4433 python is listening. How can I found exactly what service is this? (I'm running Deluge, a torrent client written in Python on this box)
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13:42.58sypherJubei: netstat is deprecated. 'ss' with the -p flag will indicate the attached process.
13:43.07Jubeisypher thank you
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13:44.37masonHi all. Just checking - I don't see an update for Wheezy for https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2016-10229 and I don't see it mentioned in https://www.debian.org/security/ - is there status discussion for that CVE and Debian somewhere?
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13:45.37petn-randallmason: Security support for wheezy ended quite a while ago.
13:45.42petn-randall!wheezy-lts
13:45.42dpkgSecurity support for Debian 7 "Wheezy" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2016-04-25.  The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures receive additional long term support (LTS) via <wheezy/updates> until 2018-05-31.  See http://deb.li/2aC for excluded packages.  No changes to /etc/apt/sources.list are needed for wheezy-lts.
13:45.58petn-randallmason: However, there's still an LTS team that might cover it. See above.
13:46.08petn-randallAlso relevant:
13:46.12petn-randall!tracker of doom
13:46.12dpkgThe Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.org/ .  Ask me about <cve lookup CVE-yyyy-nnnn> to get Debian-specific information on a CVE number.  See also http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences or ask me about <debsecan> http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/
13:46.13masonI'm on LTS, but I didn't see any discussion about any version of Debian. Was curious.
13:46.22masonah, ty, didn't know that one
13:46.34masonIs that new?
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13:47.32petn-randallmason: It's already been there for a few years. You can look up CVEs there.
13:47.39masonVery cool. Thank you.
13:47.41petn-randallcve lookup CVE-2016-10229
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13:47.48masonAND A BOT!
13:47.50petn-randall!cve lookup CVE-2016-10229
13:47.50dpkgInformation about the security advisory CVE-2016-10229 may be found at https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2016-10229
13:47.58petn-randallLooks like it's fixed.
13:48.05masoncool
13:48.34petn-randallmason: You're welcome!
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13:51.34twWhy is netstat deprecated? Is it some api that is going away?
13:52.06syphertw: The maintainers said to stop using the net-tools suite about a decade ago?
13:52.09masontw: I believe the Linux world is moving towards the ip suite.
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13:52.35syphers/is moving/has moved/
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13:53.19Release_is this the correct package for pcre : apt-get install libpcre3 libpcre3-dev
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13:53.44twWell, I guess if it gets dropped, there's always busybox netstat.
13:54.09masontw: It ought to work into the indefinite future.
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13:54.33sypherThe correct answer is to learn the iproute2 equivalent commands and use them.
13:54.41sypherip, ss, etc.
13:55.10jer0mehey there, running jessie with the latest kernel from bakcports, I have been facing these weird issue where X is still running and active, but unresponsive to mouse and keyboard events. I can't click, type, nothing. I see nothing in the logs either. Any hint?
13:55.54masonHave a good day, all, and thank you again for the pointers, petn-randall! o/
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13:56.42syphertw: https://dougvitale.wordpress.com/2011/12/21/deprecated-linux-networking-commands-and-their-replacements/
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13:58.47twI like the new options flags for ss, but for an inspection tool I would have to use frequently, I'd rather use the one that works on every computer I've been on for the last ~20 years. the ip command makes sense because it's more verb/clause based, but flag memorization isn't fun.
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14:00.30twactually, I take that back, all of the flags I use from netstat work directly in ss, it's just slightly different output.
14:00.35twignore me, moving on.
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14:01.18twexcept for -r, that's completely different.
14:01.22syphertw: As I said, learn the new commands. ;)
14:01.45syphertw: I say this because net-tools is NOT a standard installation component anymore on a growing number of platforms.
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14:05.23tjt263tw: what are the new thing?
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14:08.46twtjt263: See sypher's link. It's only deprecated on linux systems though, and will probably continue to work for long enough that I'll have forgotten the old commands exists.
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14:09.26tjt263whats deprecated?
14:09.34twnetstat, ifconfig, etc.
14:09.37twnet-tools
14:09.55tjt263oh i didnt know they were part of the same package
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14:10.47tjt263dealing with interfaces is easier with ifconfig imo
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14:11.27syphertjt263: I feel like we're missing the message here. You SHOULD be learning the new tools. They're actually a lot easier once you learn them.
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14:12.08tjt263i learned them at least 2 years ago
14:12.30tjt263not full bottle though
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14:13.46tjt263but i wasnt here for the first part of the conversation, so i dont know what that point was that you mentioned
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14:14.28tjt263i just spoke my thought
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14:15.42tjt263i like the old ways and new
14:16.46tjt263i still use ifconfig wlan0 down / ifconfig wlan0 up, etc..
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14:17.52tjt263i was just setting up my first wifi hotspot with hostapd so i've been using it a lot this week
14:18.01BluesKajsudo dhclient solves alot of disconnect issues IME
14:18.38tjt263BluesKaj: talking to me?
14:18.53BluesKajtjt263:  merely commenting
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14:19.41tjt263to this conversation though, right? or something from earlier?
14:20.14BluesKajabout ifconfig yes
14:21.08BluesKajthey're still valid commands tjt263
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14:21.49tjt263so, you're saying restarting the dhcp client often helps you with disconnect issues?
14:21.58BluesKajoops I was right the first time,
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14:22.08BluesKajyes
14:22.14tjt263cool
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14:23.02tjt263i was going to add something, but i ws thnking fro the servers perspective
14:23.03tjt263i often use rfkill
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14:23.25tjt263with wireless onnections
14:23.38BluesKajtjt263:  works well with users who use the interfaces and resolv.conf files in place of network manager
14:24.28BluesKajwifi is bit clunky without NM
14:24.45tjt263/etc/network/interfaces you referring to?
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14:24.56tjt263i think thats right
14:25.00BluesKajyes
14:25.27BluesKajok BBL , gotta check other stuuf for few mins
14:25.34tjt263so, without network manager, you use wpa_supplicant?
14:26.05tjt263im still new to the non network manager way
14:26.36tjt263getting there
14:27.31firebalrogyes wpa_supplicant is what you use
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14:28.01firebalrogThe conf file  is unfortunately case sensitive and a newline in the wrong place can cause problems we found
14:28.17tjt263firebalrog: yeah, that's right
14:28.36tjt263i think that applies to ost config files though
14:28.40tjt263most
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14:29.41tjt263i had the same issue with, i think /etc/hostapd/hostapd.conf and /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf
14:31.25tjt263or /etc/dnsmaq.conf
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14:33.33tjt263and /etc/sysctl.conf, /etc/rc.local, /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf, just going back over my notes
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14:56.31Schaffenthis is weird... my fresh debian install didn't come with 'make'
14:56.37SchaffenI gotta compile this network driver to access the internet, so I can't use package manager to install stuff
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14:59.19twIs it possible to compile the network driver elsewhere, and copy to the target machine? That might be easier.
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15:00.51jellySchaffen: which network driver for which card?
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15:02.22SchaffenI think the card is RTL8111
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15:07.57SchaffenI guess I could compile, but I'm installing linux on my machine just to compile C
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15:11.23Schaffenunless I figure out a way to compile C over the web, or on my phone
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15:11.27Schaffenho boy, why isn't make included in the main distro, that's silly :(
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15:12.25`KevinSchaffen: thats an option you choose during installation
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15:16.34maxxeis stretch close?
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15:18.13syphermaxxe: https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/
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15:18.27syphermaxxe: "Number concerning the next release" is the key number there.
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15:19.03jelly!wwsr
15:19.03dpkgWell... it's starting to get distinctly chilly... Debian 9 "Stretch" will probably release in mid-2017. It will release sooner if you help fix bugs in stretch and sid... take that as a challenge. Ask me about <stretch freeze>, <how-can-i-help> https://udd.debian.org/bugs/
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15:19.24maxxesypher, ok, seems to be some time to wait
15:19.39syphermaxxe: You're not the only one antsy for the release, trust me. :)
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15:21.42BluesKajsypher:  i've been running stretch for about a month without any problems at all
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15:21.51maxxesypher, debian beats a lot of OSes in my opinion. changed to debian on my server too. before it ran openbsd
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15:22.30sypherBluesKaj: I run stretch in a VM for a desktop and its great. My servers need to remain on stable.
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15:23.40syphermaxxe: And I wholeheartedly agree. I run RHEL at work, and I have more problems with that than with Debian.
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15:28.42ThreygooWhere are the DVD images beyond #1 ?  I don't see them anymore for stable, although they are in the checksum files.
15:29.55alekzThreygoo: amd64?
15:29.57cruncherThreygoo, still there http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/
15:30.19alekzthere you go Threygoo
15:30.27jhutchins_wkThreygoo: What do you need that's not on 1?
15:30.34ThreygooOoops, clicked on ARM64 instead of AMD64
15:30.36alekzI'd rather to download via torrent, you can find those here: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/bt-cd/
15:30.43ThreygooThanks
15:30.45alekznp
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15:32.55jhutchins_wkTorrents might not be well seeded at this point in the release calendar.
15:33.13jhutchins_wk...although we did just get a point release.
15:33.21jhutchins_wkOr are about to...
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15:34.34jhutchins_wkOk, 8.8 will release on 6 May.
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16:19.38plasmoduckIm just wondering if and how I can use my lg monitors screen split feature on linux https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfY-yxWimdo
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16:38.34Cl0udN9nehey guys how do i fix my locale?
16:38.43Cl0udN9ne¨  <- this thing
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16:39.35jhutchins_wk!locale
16:39.35dpkgA locale is a set of rules for presenting information to humans according to local conventions (date format, thousands separators, language, etc.).  Ask me about <locales> to establish on a Debian system.  http://wiki.debian.org/Locale  http://mywiki.wooledge.org/locale
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16:40.02Cl0udN9ne!<locales>
16:40.14Cl0udN9ne!locales
16:40.15dpkgUse 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running.  This generates <locale> definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time.  Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command, ask me about <localised errors>.  See also <mac locales>.  http://wiki.debian.org/Locale
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16:42.30msl09hello
16:42.43msl09what could be causing my windows to smear
16:42.48msl09when I drag them?
16:42.57msl09I using xfce btw
16:43.23Papillonyou might try ##linux, are you using an accelerated driver for your graphics card?
16:43.44Cl0udN9newhat locale should i choose?
16:43.56msl09I'm using the kernel driver
16:43.57Papillonthe one appropriate to you?
16:43.58Cl0udN9neen_US.UTF-8 ?
16:43.58msl09I think
16:44.09msl09hold on
16:44.28Papillonif you're using us english that one would be a suitable choice
16:44.35teraflopsCl0udN9ne: how the hell are we supposed to know that? telepathy?
16:44.48Cl0udN9ne¨ <- could it solve this?
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16:45.11Papillontry enus utf8, it couldn't kill you
16:45.17Cl0udN9neok
16:46.19Papillonhttps://wiki.debian.org/GraphicsCard
16:46.32msl09yeah I'm not using the proprietary driver
16:47.00Papillonthe appropriate open source driver should work
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16:47.11msl09I'm using the kernel 4.9 support for ATI
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16:47.49msl09with the proprietary firmware
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16:47.57msl09because I couldn't configure the monitor without it
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16:48.38msl09firmware-amd-graphics
16:49.46Papillonif you don't get an answer here try ##linux, but are you sure your xorg server is using the radeon driver or whatever?
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16:50.29msl09nope
16:50.34msl09how do I check that?
16:51.19Papillontry asking in ##linux or googling it
16:51.31SepticTank.
16:51.32PapillonI think there's an xconfig?
16:51.39Papillonyou could also try like man x or man x.org?
16:51.43Papillonor man xconfig
16:52.43jhutchins_wkPapillon: ##linux is unlikely to be helpful.
16:52.47teraflopsmsl09: start by identifying your gpu model. then search whether it's supported by radeon or not. amdgpu is a thing now too.
16:52.57Papillonwhy?
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16:53.15msl09yeah I can see it's using amdgpu from dmesg
16:53.24jhutchins_wkmsl09: What do you mean by smearing?
16:53.37jhutchins_wkmsl09: Does the image linger after you move the window?
16:53.54msl09hmmm
16:53.59msl09I should be more specific
16:54.09jhutchins_wkPapillon: Too many of the components are debian specific.
16:54.12teraflops,v llvm
16:54.13juddPackage: llvm on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:3.0-14+nmu2; jessie: 1:3.5-25; sid: 1:3.8-34+nmu1; stretch: 1:3.8-34+nmu1
16:54.38msl09I can see the window image being teared down and then being redrawn
16:55.00msl09when I move it
16:55.03jhutchins_wkmsl09: So it's a sort of visual lag?
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16:55.10msl09yes
16:55.31msl09components inside it are quite fast
16:55.38teraflopsmsl09: is amdgpu module loaded?
16:56.34Cl0udN9neguys whatever locale i choose,the problem of ¨ doesnt go
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16:56.48msl09yes
16:56.56Cl0udN9nei tried en_US.UTF-8 and en_In
16:57.00jhutchins_wkCl0udN9ne: You are assuming that we see something that is a problem.  I see two dots.
16:57.24SepticTankis it possible to install from USB(install) to USB?
16:57.39msl09SepticTank: yes
16:57.45jhutchins_wkCl0udN9ne: Think about the fact that you're not pasting an image, you're pasting a UTF code that is being rendered by our local display.
16:58.25jhutchins_wkSepticTank: Running from USB is likely to be unacceptably slow unless you use an optimized live imge.
16:58.43Cl0udN9nebut i hav in my text file the same UTF code tht is rendered the way it should be
16:58.46SepticTanki'm using live and it's still slow
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16:58.57jhutchins_wkSepticTank: Yes, it will be.
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16:59.10msl09let me test if it's firefox that's causing the problem
16:59.32jhutchins_wkCl0udN9ne: Where is it not rendered correctly?
16:59.45SepticTanki read that linux runs in ram memory that's why it's slow
16:59.55Cl0udN9ne¨ <- here
16:59.59SepticTankso run it in usb instead helps?
17:00.02jhutchins_wkSepticTank: That would actually make it very fast.
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17:00.19teraflopsSepticTank: no, it should be faster
17:00.44jhutchins_wkSepticTank: Running from USB would be slower than running from RAM, that's one of the optimizations used for live images.
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17:01.07msl09well it is not firefox
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17:01.17msl09also I have a correction to make
17:01.20teraflopsSepticTank: if you want to install debian persistently in USB you better use usb 3.0
17:01.42SepticTanki'm using a laptop without hard drive and can't afford any so right now i'm using live and it's slow
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17:01.51msl09some components in some windows also cause problems
17:01.52jhutchins_wkCl0udN9ne: So it's not rendering correctly in your IRC client.  We do not know what you are seeing or what you think you should be seeing.
17:01.58teraflopsmsl09: amdgpu should just work in stretch
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17:02.11msl09I'm using jessie with backports
17:02.25teraflopsmsl09: no idea then
17:02.25Cl0udN9nejhutchins_wk not just irc client also vim
17:02.44Cl0udN9nei need tht symbol to make a comment in my code
17:03.04teraflopsmsl09: because e.g mesa
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17:03.52jhutchins_wkCl0udN9ne: Doe it make a difference if you run it in a console vs. a terminal window on X?
17:04.06Cl0udN9neno
17:04.27jhutchins_wkCl0udN9ne: Have you tried alternative terminal emulators?
17:04.40teraflopsಠ_ಠ
17:04.53jhutchins_wkCl0udN9ne: What applications display the character correctly?
17:04.55Cl0udN9newell on X if i do it inside gnome without manually changing the locale from the status bar then it doesnt make a difference
17:04.57teraflopsCl0udN9ne: setup your locales correctly also your keyboard
17:05.16Cl0udN9nejhutchins_wk: none i hav tried so far
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17:06.07jhutchins_wkHow do you know that the character is something other than what you are seeing?
17:06.33Cl0udN9nebcoz i know what character tht keyboard button produces
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18:23.35msl09turns out I was not using x11 jessie-backports driver
18:23.40msl09so I upgraded it
18:23.54msl09rebooted and lightdm could no longer start
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18:24.46msl09I had to blacklist amdgpu to make the system start
18:24.47msl09what now...
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18:41.11msl09ok I managed to revert the driver to jessies version
18:41.21msl09and now I can login
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18:44.23zero71i can
18:44.23msl09I also got a log of the xorg error
18:44.25msl09http://paste.debian.net/927490/
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18:45.08zero71i can't install 'build-essential' on debian 8.6.0
18:45.32mtnzero71: why not? what errors?
18:45.44zero71i get package has no installation candidat
18:45.55zykotick9zero71: when you installed, did you have internet?
18:46.17zero71it's on virtual machine
18:46.41zero71pre made hard disk
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18:47.15TomTomTo1zero71: paste the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list  to paste.debian.net, please.
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18:47.37zero71ok
18:48.52zero71actially i can't because i can't install the guest addition without the build-essentials
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18:49.16zero71i can't copy to host machine
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18:50.43TomTomTo1then do this and give us the url it returns.     cat /etc/apt/sources.list | curl -F c=@- https://ptpb.pw/
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18:53.44dontknowhey. i want to use netstat but it is not installed on my system. what package should i install to get netstat?
18:54.54msl09$ apt-cache search netstat
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18:55.56dontknow"netstat-nat - tool that display NAT connections" should i install this?
18:56.41TomTomTo1no, it's in the net-tools package, which comes preinstalled on debian systems.
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18:57.10TomTomTo1apt-file search bin/netstat  is a batter was if you are looking for a specific binary.
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18:57.13petn-randalldontknow: If you install 'command-not-found', it will automatically tell you which package to install if you try to run a command that's unavailable.
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18:57.32TomTomTo1,file */bin/netstat
18:57.36juddNo packages in jessie/amd64 were found with that file.
18:57.41TomTomTo1grr.
18:58.03petn-randall,file /bin/netstat
18:58.06juddSearch for /bin/netstat in jessie/amd64: net-tools: bin/netstat
18:58.09petn-randall:)
18:58.23petn-randallprobably this would have worked, too:
18:58.29dontknowTomTomTo1, and others, thanks
18:58.31petn-randall,file *bin/netstat
18:58.34juddSearch for *bin/netstat in jessie/amd64: net-tools: bin/netstat
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18:59.01dontknowi was on testing. it doesn't come by default :p
18:59.11TomTomTo1wonder why the other didn't.
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18:59.23zero71TomTomTo1  this is the url https://ptpb.pw/jC-n
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18:59.49TomTomTo1dpkg: jessie sources.list
18:59.49dpkgA suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main".  Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list.  Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list".
18:59.56TomTomTo1zero71: you are missing a line ^
19:00.25zykotick9zero71: <note for next time> if you install wihtout networking, you get that broken sources.list by default :(
19:00.53zero71ok. will add the lines
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19:26.27CutMeOwnThroatcan I force chromium to save a password when it's somehow not detectecting the field?
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19:28.05jhutchins_wkCutMeOwnThroat: Even if you could, it wouldn't sense the field to auto-fill it.
19:28.30jhutchins_wkCutMeOwnThroat: iirc there is a mechanism that allows the page to prevent saving the password.
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19:32.09CutMeOwnThroatjhutchins_wk, actually… not necessarily true… it can still detect that there is a field… and also… I have a counter example
19:32.30CutMeOwnThroatsogo is a webmail application… and browsers cannot save the password for it
19:32.52CutMeOwnThroatI wrote a small greasemonkey script that allows saving it… or some javascript you execute in the url, I cannot rememer
19:32.56CutMeOwnThroatand it now fills it fine
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19:33.40CutMeOwnThroatI actually cannot remember how exactly I did it :(
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19:36.39anotherus3rHello every time I boot debian, I get the following message. Do you know why?
19:36.41anotherus3rhttp://paste.debian.net/927509/
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19:44.52anotherus3ranyone?
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19:46.19mtnanotherus3r: something to do with encryption?
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19:47.28anotherus3rmtn: I see
19:47.30anotherus3rIs it possible to tell if hard drive is full disk encrypted?
19:47.43mtnanotherus3r: sorry, I don't  do encryption
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19:48.29twthat looks encrypted to me.
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19:52.27ijsh0rnHello
19:52.38sine0ok I have a headless remote server with debian, and I want to install a windows 7 for remote access. can i install and view the gui installation remotely or is that a mess.
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19:54.39jhutchins_wksine0: Are you replacing the debian install with Windows?
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19:55.04jhutchins_wksine0: Also, why windows?
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19:56.18sine0hell no, virtual machine scenario. why windows? a million reasons.
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19:56.49sine0a. bespoke windows software, b. I want to allow remote access for my partner
19:57.16jhutchins_wksine0: Remote access is highly available on Linux.
19:57.17sine0and we all know what linux is like to people who can barely use windows
19:57.29jhutchins_wksine0: You could always try the Windows software in WINE.
19:58.04sine0I have a large amount of windows software that would not work through WINE as its a bit of a logistical nightmare, we all know that.
19:58.12jhutchins_wksine0: Linux can be very usable by low-skill users if it's well supported.
19:58.36sine0if it was just for her I would just have a real basic desktop with gnome or something and be done with it
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19:59.43sine0let me not bore you with the details why and focus on the how.
19:59.44sypherThis is rapidly turning into an example of why knowing all of the requirements beforehand is necessary for proper advice.
20:00.35jhutchins_wksine0: Just looking for ways to do it.
20:00.54jhutchins_wksine0: Do you have a GUI on the server?
20:01.00sine0no just cli
20:01.17sine0i never install gui on my server so far as not had the need.
20:01.20jhutchins_wksine0: What are you using for virtualization.
20:01.58sine0Im not sure but on my locals and laptops I have always used virtualbox and sometimes I grab a version of VMware but I prefer the former.
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20:02.25jhutchins_wksine0: ime virtualbox performs better on desktop grade hardware.
20:02.54jhutchins_wksine0: Have you ever built a Windows VM without a GUI for the hypervisor?
20:03.14jhutchins_wksine0: I'm trying to imagine how you would run a Windows install without graphics.
20:03.39qqxsine0: virt-manager can manage libvirt+kvm over an ssh connection, including the display portion.
20:03.45jhutchins_wksine0: I'm thinking you could run the VB GUI with the display forwarded, that would allow you to see and control the install.
20:03.57qqxNo idea if it would perform well enough though.
20:04.27qqxI've only used that to get systems to the point where I can ssh directly to the VM.
20:04.30jhutchins_wkqqx: Just enough to get through the install/config.
20:04.40sine0jhutchins_wk: no I have not built a VM without GUI, thats why im asking here
20:05.03sine0what if i were to install it here onto a vdi and then rsync it over
20:05.18jhutchins_wksine0: That's cheating, but yeah.
20:05.22sine0lol
20:05.37jhutchins_wksine0: Still, how do you manage the remote VM?
20:05.51sine0what do you mean how do i manage the rmote vm?
20:05.57sine0there isnt one yet.
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20:06.56jhutchins_wksine0: Right.  I've only used the vb gui to manage machines, I don't know about managing them via console.
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20:08.40jhutchins_wksine0: Ok, it appears that you can in fact install and run vb without a gui.
20:08.58jhutchins_wksine0: http://xmodulo.com/how-to-create-and-start-virtualbox-vm-without-gui.html
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20:10.07jhutchins_wkCool, the virtualbox extensions include a remote desktop server.
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20:13.04sine0sweet
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20:16.57sine0well thanks for all the googling
20:17.28sine0and i dont mean that sarcastically. thanks for putting a few minutes of your time in to crack heads, qqx included.
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20:18.21msl09well in the end I installed stretch to solve the ati problem
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20:20.37jhutchins_wksine0: Thanks for an interesting question!
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20:26.59Mathisenanyone that can help me, how to solve this https://ptpb.pw/fOiY
20:27.13jhutchins_wkMathisen: Please summarize the problem.
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20:27.42Mathisenwell i installed ufw im configuring a open vpn server on a digitalocean droplet
20:27.54Mathisenand when i run ufw allow ssh
20:27.56Mathiseni get that
20:28.11sypherMathisen: Tip: You're overpaying on DO.
20:28.25sypherMathisen: That may also be related to some custom kernel or something they're running, I'm not sure.
20:28.38jhutchins_wkMathisen: You should probably contact them.
20:29.14jhutchins_wksypher: That would not happen on a normal, updated Debian install.
20:29.19sypherjhutchins_wk: Correct.
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20:29.29Mathisenwell i has not rebooted for over 1 year
20:29.30jhutchins_wksypher: Er, Mathisen ^
20:29.31sypherjhutchins_wk: Hence my comment about a custom kernel.
20:29.41Mathisenif i do that it may help i guess ?
20:29.55jhutchins_wkMathisen: I would ask them specifically about ipv6 support.
20:30.12jhutchins_wkAlthough, shouldn't you be able to run ufw without ipv6?
20:30.19sypherjhutchins_wk: They support ipv6, and yes.
20:30.25Mathiseni dont care about ipv6 realy
20:30.25qqxIn my experience DO doesn't support IPv6.
20:30.31sypherqqx: They do.
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20:30.40qqxsypher: Not for some things.
20:30.41jhutchins_wkThese things change.
20:31.00qqxSpecifically, they block outbound connections to all mail-related ports.
20:31.09jhutchins_wkqqx: ipv6 doesn't support ipv6 for some things.  There's a whole page of "not yet implemented" stuff in the specs.
20:31.12sypherqqx: That's a firewall, not ipv6.
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20:31.25sypherDo they have globally-routable ipv6 connectivity? Yes.
20:31.44qqxsypher: It's their firewall rules for IPv6.
20:31.53sypherAnyway, none of this is relevant. That error is an artifact of DO, not a Debian issue.
20:32.25Mathisenso any ideas what i can do beside contact them ?
20:32.25sypherqqx: Okay, that's still called A FIREWALL. That's not some "lack of support," that's called traffic restrictions. Bicker about minutae with someone else.
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20:32.38Mathisenthat will take time and would like to have this done tonight
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20:33.08sypherMathisen: Make sure you're fully up to date, restart the system to ensure that you're running an up to date kernel. Also ensure that you're booting from the system's own kernel, not a DO kernel.
20:33.12control0Hello. If I edit /etc/crypttab, do I need to regenerate initramfs to "apply" the changes?
20:33.17sypherMathisen: If you're booting from a DO kernel, it might cause the issue you're seeing.
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20:34.07Mathisensypher, so kernels are above my little head to be honest how to check that and how to make it boot from it own then
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20:34.20sypherMathisen: What's the output of 'uname -a'?
20:34.35MathisenLinux debzi 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt25-2 (2016-04-08) x86_64 GNU/Linux
20:34.49sypherMathisen: Yeah, you need to run updates on that system.
20:35.09sypherMathisen: Fully update, and reboot.
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20:35.42Mathisenokej what is the default ufw settings btw
20:35.50Mathisendoes it allow my ssh connection after reboot
20:36.01sypher'ufw disable' to be sure.
20:36.06Mathisenyeah good plan
20:36.32GH0S7sup guys newbie here
20:37.16spacebug^welcome GH0S7
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20:41.07jhutchins_wkMathisen: that "ckt" is suspicious.
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20:41.46Mathisensuspicious ?
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20:42.36GH0S7i tried installing vsfptd with apt-get but it tells me to do apt-get update?
20:42.47GH0S7vsftpd
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20:42.57jhutchins_wkckt =  Canonical Kernel Team
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20:43.04jhutchins_wk,kernels
20:43.05juddAvailable kernel versions are: experimental: 4.10.0-rc6-686-pae (4.10~rc6-1~exp2); sid: 4.9.0-2-686 (4.9.18-1); stretch: 4.9.0-2-686 (4.9.18-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.9.13-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.86-1)
20:43.51sypherjhutchins_wk: I've seen ckt in Debian before.
20:44.01sypherjhutchins_wk: https://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2014/11/msg00154.html
20:44.06jhutchins_wksypher: Yeah, it's a debian kernel.
20:45.32jhutchins_wksypher: Yeah, saw that.
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20:46.28jhutchins_wkMathisen: It remains that your kernel does not match your kernel modules, and a system update is probably the first step to try.
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20:47.02jhutchins_wkMathisen: You might post your /etc/apt/sources.list and anything from /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
20:47.03Mathisenhold on i may migrate to diffrent host, just checking prices
20:47.23Mathisenas it seem DO is not the best chooice out there
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20:48.15jhutchins_wkMathisen: I hear good things about dreamhost.
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20:49.16jhutchins_wkMathisen: What is the server going to do?
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20:51.09Mathisencloud file storage, BNC for irc, openvpn server, playground :)
20:51.25Mathisenthats it no advanced stuff
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20:53.00jhutchins_wkMathisen: I don't think I'd bother with a firewall.  It's not Windows, it doesn't have ports open unless something's listening, and you can lock down most services to only allow connections from certain IPs.
20:53.27jhutchins_wkMathisen: Use sftp for file transfers, put ssh on a non-standard port.
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20:53.47Mathisenyeah i did that before, did not change ssh port
20:53.58Mathiseni just installed fail2ban and thats it
20:54.29jhutchins_wkMathisen: Since you already have to give anybody who needs access a username and password (or get a key), you can tell them the port at the time.
20:54.47jhutchins_wkMathisen: ssh on 222 WILL get brute-force and DOS attacks.
20:55.02jhutchins_wkMathisen: I mean on 22.
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20:55.35jhutchins_wkMathisen: Even though 90% of the people who change the port go to 222, hackers don't usually bother because usually that means you though about security and aren't a soft target.
20:55.42Mathisenyeah thats why i installed fail2ban
20:55.58Mathisenit bans after 5 tries
20:56.27petn-randall(Also bans after 5 logins if you have more than one SSH key)
20:56.50jhutchins_wkMathisen: Fail2ban still lets every packet in to test it, and if it bans every packet still hits the kernel.
20:57.12jhutchins_wkMathisen: iptables throttling is better, but still gets all the hits.
20:58.02Mathisenokej
20:58.13Mathiseni will change my way sensei
20:58.19Mathisenheh
20:58.55petn-randallthrottles SYNs to tcp/22.
20:59.08petn-randallerr, 22/tcp
20:59.25SuperSeriousCatIve heard the hacker gets in way more than 5 tries(if thats the setup) cus of delay of fail2ban. Still helps alot tough
20:59.45jhutchins_wkpetn-randall: Just move the port.
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21:00.09jhutchins_wkI saw a brute-force attack take out a Federal financial server.
21:00.27jhutchins_wkFirewall team, why you accept connections from China?
21:00.37petn-randallSuperSeriousCat: You can just open 10,000 tcp connections, and if fail2ban only drops new connections, you can still use all 10,000.
21:00.45teraflopsjhutchins_wk: why not?
21:01.08jhutchins_wkteraflops: We were not doing any legitimate transactions outside the US.
21:01.52SuperSeriousCatFunfact. Some hacker blasted 156 emergency sirens in Dallas for 1.5 hour a few days ago
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21:02.15jhutchins_wkSuperSeriousCat: It was actually a hack of the radio control system.
21:02.30jhutchins_wkSuperSeriousCat: They were able to broadcast the correct trigger code.
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21:03.15SuperSeriousCatAmazing how much you can do with enough knowlege
21:03.19jhutchins_wkSuperSeriousCat: They're triggered by a tone code sequence on a specific frequency.
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21:03.59teraflopsjhutchins_wk: then better accept connections only from inside the US I think. even that way nothing prevents the attacker using a vpn a proxy or whatever
21:05.09jhutchins_wkteraflops: Yeah, pretty obvious that a connection from China or South America was not made with good intentions.
21:05.42petn-randallshrugs at security by obscurity.
21:06.10petn-randallThe only reason I would firewall countries away is to maybe keep the logs cleaner, that is all.
21:06.14teraflopsI have mixed feelings about moving services from well known ports
21:06.30teraflopsI also*
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21:14.32sypherI don't see that it does much to increase security posture.
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21:17.45Richlvtried to register on the debian wiki, that failed with "Account creation failed: Due to an ongoing spam attack, this wiki is configured to not automatically create wiki accounts for some users."
21:17.55Richlvi only wanted to fix a minor typo, so maybe somebody can do that for me
21:18.10Richlvin https://wiki.debian.org/PXEBootInstall , it says "This page describes installing a new Debian system with CD, DVD, USB at all." - should be "without"
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21:18.14SuperSeriousCatIt give a small pinpoint of "this guy thinks security, will probably take loooong time to bruteforce. Skip"
21:18.53sypherSuperSeriousCat: Coming from someone who does pen testing, I can say that that doesn't factor into my thought process at all.
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21:19.33Richlvoh, and in the next sentence it says "A By the end" - that "A " should go away
21:21.16boubouHi guys
21:21.36boubouon a rpm architecture, there is an option --skip-broken in yum
21:21.51bouboudoes it exists the same thing in apt-get ?
21:22.03SuperSeriousCatsypher, if you are a pentester, sure. Not like you try to get as many machines as possible into a botnet
21:22.17ruunyanif I'm to run a single-application debian (virtual) machine, and the single application uses negligible RAM, could debian itself run on 256M of RAM?
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21:23.31control0Hello. If I edit /etc/crypttab, do I need to regenerate initramfs to "apply" the changes?
21:23.43sypherSuperSeriousCat: Brute-forcing SSH has to be the LEAST efficient and nonsensical method of compromising systems to get into a botnet. Seriously, come on. That's just not how it works.
21:23.52sypherAnyway, this is offtopic at this point.
21:24.36Enrico_MenottiHello, is there anybody here who may explain to me a few things about xkb? Namely, how to have a particular type definition file read by the system?
21:25.14SuperSeriousCatTought this was about moving ports from well known ports, not only SSH, but fair enough
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21:26.25Richlv...and another typo in that page - "HOSTORICAL". if anybody cares :)
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21:36.41NitrogenHi. How can I download the pure HTML files 1-4512.html to 1-4556.html from a Website? All 44 of them?
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21:43.15TomTomTo1Nitrogen:   for ((i=12;i<=56;i++)); do wget localhost/1-45$i.html; done
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21:46.48NitrogenTomTomTo1 It worked. How can I remove the lines 23 to 49 from all these HTML files?
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21:48.57BrigoXDD
21:49.10TomTomTo1for ((i=12;i<=56;i++)); do sed -e '23,49d;' 1-45$i.html; done
21:49.18TomTomTo1something like that. too lazy to test it. ^^
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21:51.12TomTomTo1eh, forgot the -i flag for sed.
21:52.46SuperTramp83heh, I knew the answer was 'wget' but that's all I knew :/
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21:57.13Nitrogensed -i '23,49d;' *.html did the job. Two more things: <a href='/1-4526.html'> makes links appear as file:///1-4526.html instead of file:///(folder)/1-4526.html. How do I change that?
22:03.59NitrogenApparently adding a point does the job. So, how do I replace a certain character sequence in all html files of an folder?
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22:09.51ChunkyzWhen is Debian 9 out?
22:10.16SuperTramp83Chunkyz, it is already out :)
22:10.19missmbobhttps://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ when the count goes to 0
22:10.34SuperTramp83yeah, stable when ^
22:11.14ChunkyzSuperTramp83: ?
22:11.48SuperTramp83Chunkyz, Unstable (9) will get Stable 9 in a few months..
22:11.56SuperTramp83srry, Testing
22:12.24SuperTramp83Chunkyz, there is Stable , Testing and Unstable (Sid)
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22:13.38emxWhat would be a good DE to use for someone who is new to Linux?
22:14.29emxI was thinking kde or mate
22:14.37NitrogenHow do I remove the <script></script> tag and everything inbetween from multiple HTML files?
22:15.02missmbobNitrogen: ask ##sed
22:15.07emxyou should ask #programming
22:15.10alademx: if it's not for yourself - whatever you feel comfortable supporting
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22:16.45NitrogenI can't join either of those
22:17.06missmbobNitrogen: ## not #
22:18.03NitrogenHuh. Okay. Thanks!
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22:20.54emxHow to do you update the drives that are connected to your computer in the terminal?
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22:21.33nkuttleremx: update? mount?
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22:23.45emxI plugged in a usb flash drive lsblk or fdisk -l it won't display the connected drive
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22:25.34emxAnd i can't use a gui because the xorg server is damaged
22:27.12jellylsblk, run as root, ought to show it
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22:29.53punctuatinis it formatted in a working filesystem?
22:30.08emxi formatted it with windows
22:30.16emxwith exfat
22:31.36punctuatink
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22:32.51emxShould i try using ntfs instead?
22:33.35jellyor install exfat-fuse
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22:35.01SuperTramp83emx, Xfce is what I mostly install on new user's computers. They are usually happy with it.
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22:57.53pflanzeHow can I make (apt or) dpkg *not* ask any questions in the configuration step?
22:57.59pflanzeI'm already using apt-get -y
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23:00.29pflanzeapt-get -f install ?
23:00.36pflanzeDoesn't ask or report anything.
23:01.36pflanzeI know there is a way to configure *how* dpkg (or ?) should ask questions.
23:01.43pflanzeI forgot what that is.
23:02.03pflanzeI hope I can tell it to ask questions by mail only (i.e. nothing interactive).
23:02.55pflanzeIt's after saying "Preconfiguring packages ..."
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23:08.03rudi_spflanze: It won't ask questions over mail, but you can suppress all questions and always choose the default if you like.
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