| 00:00.14 | rudi_s | newlinux: Do you have internet access? Does something like ping 8.8.8.8 work? "no servers could be reached" is most likely a DNS issue, check /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:00.51 | rudi_s | The dropped:129 shouldn't be a problem. |
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| 00:01.28 | newlinux | no ping 8.8.8.8 no response |
| 00:01.44 | newlinux | and I already try other nameserver with no help |
| 00:01.55 | rudi_s | newlinux: So you don't have internet access. What is your setup? |
| 00:01.56 | newlinux | yes I have internet access |
| 00:02.11 | newlinux | my other machines works |
| 00:02.19 | rudi_s | newlinux: Well, not on this host (or IPv6 only). |
| 00:02.26 | newlinux | with internet access |
| 00:02.34 | newlinux | so what should I do then? |
| 00:03.02 | rudi_s | newlinux: Check ip addr and ip route if you have an IP and default route. Also have a look at /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 00:03.09 | rudi_s | How is your second host connected? DHCP? Static IP? |
| 00:03.26 | newlinux | second host? I dont know |
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| 00:04.29 | newlinux | auto lo, iface lo inet loopback as loopback network |
| 00:04.48 | newlinux | allow-hotplug eth0, iface eth0 inet dhcp as primary network |
| 00:05.20 | sh00p | what is ur default route newlinux? # route -n |
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| 00:05.52 | rudi_s | newlinux: So dhcp, do you have similar setup in your other host? |
| 00:06.16 | newlinux | i dont know |
| 00:06.24 | newlinux | but last time i installed debian it worked |
| 00:06.28 | newlinux | and sometimes it doesnt |
| 00:06.35 | newlinux | same install process |
| 00:06.41 | newlinux | wierd |
| 00:07.34 | rudi_s | newlinux: Run cat /etc/network/interfaces on both hosts and check if they differ. |
| 00:07.53 | newlinux | i dont run linux on the other machines |
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| 00:10.05 | rudi_s | newlinux: What sh00p said, check if you have a default route. If not run dhclient eth0 and see if that helps. |
| 00:10.30 | sh00p | ^ |
| 00:10.44 | newlinux | how do i check if i have default route? |
| 00:10.53 | sh00p | you have a route that points to 0.0.0.0 |
| 00:11.00 | sh00p | execute command: route -n |
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| 00:11.14 | sh00p | and check if the listed gateway is ur router |
| 00:11.53 | newlinux | now i reboot and it found google.se? |
| 00:12.08 | newlinux | google.se has address 37. and so on |
| 00:12.35 | newlinux | simple reboot solve the problem, what could it be? |
| 00:13.58 | sh00p | after messing around in /etc/network/interfaces you must start your interface |
| 00:14.43 | sh00p | system does this on when booting |
| 00:14.45 | newlinux | i just did simple route -n and cat commands, is that really messing around? |
| 00:15.08 | sh00p | nope, weird, bad cable perhaps |
| 00:15.47 | newlinux | no |
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| 00:18.58 | vvor | water under the... |
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| 00:40.33 | afx237 | I've had difficulty finding an answer to this... when doing a fresh Debian install, and creating a new partition table on a drive under 2TB, will the installer create a MBR or GPT table? And is there a way to choose yourself? |
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| 00:42.38 | Papillon | I think it lets you choose |
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| 00:47.17 | afx237 | Papillon: I've looked a couple of times when installing, but couldn't find an option anywhere. unless i've just missed it. |
| 00:47.44 | Papillon | did you try the custom partition thing? |
| 00:47.48 | afx237 | yeah |
| 00:48.03 | vvor | debian version |
| 00:48.05 | Papillon | well, maybe not then |
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| 00:48.23 | sypher | afx237: It will default to MBR. |
| 00:48.27 | afx237 | i installed on a 2tb drive that already had GPT yesterday, and when creating a new table it stayed in GPT. but not sure if that's because it assumed i wanted to keep the same type or not. |
| 00:48.36 | afx237 | sypher: is it changable? |
| 00:48.55 | sypher | afx237: It might be; I've never tried. If d-i sees the disk as 2TB or larger, you get GPT. Less than that, MBR. |
| 00:48.55 | Papillon | 2tb is pretty much the limit of mbr |
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| 00:49.19 | afx237 | yeah obviously needs to be GPT over 2tb. |
| 00:49.34 | awal1 | afx237, i guess debian installer always creates an mbr, it goes with gpt partitioning in uefi machines |
| 00:49.43 | vvor | just dd the HD |
| 00:49.45 | afx237 | vvor: stretch |
| 00:50.01 | vvor | only the first blocks |
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| 00:50.26 | afx237 | awal1: ah, so maybe it detects uefi? this was inside vmware workstation (the install i did yesterday that used gpt) |
| 00:50.39 | sypher | No. |
| 00:51.05 | sypher | Well, if you boot via UEFI, then yes, you're getting GPT. |
| 00:51.26 | awal1 | afx237, not idea when it is virtualization related |
| 00:51.27 | sypher | But if you do CSM boot (like one of my systems at home) with 2TB disks, you get GPT there as well. |
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| 00:52.35 | afx237 | ah ok |
| 00:52.50 | awal1 | for real hardware, ofcourse the installer will detect uefi if the machine is booted with it (uefi) |
| 00:53.36 | sypher | Disk sizing limitations wrt mbr/gpt don't matter virt vs phys. |
| 00:53.37 | afx237 | ok cool thanks for the info yall |
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| 00:55.29 | afx237 | i don't need to plug drives into any really old computers, so i'm pretty much going with GPT on them all these days for the redundacy feature. aside from old hardware compatability, could there be any downsides to GPT? |
| 00:56.08 | sypher | afx237: If you attempt CSM/BIOS boot off of GPT, keep in mind that you will need a small (1MB) partition at the start of the disk for GRUB's bootcode. |
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| 00:57.50 | sypher | afx237: Not really a downside. Just a technical requirement. |
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| 00:58.29 | afx237 | sypher: ok thanks. i'm pretty unfamiliar with all this UEFI/CSM stuff, maybe i need to go read up on it all. |
| 00:58.42 | sypher | afx237: I'm somewhat versed in it. Ping me if you need some assistance. |
| 00:59.42 | afx237 | sypher: cool thanks. on the CSM thing you mentioned... when would i need to use that? on old hardware? |
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| 01:00.54 | sypher | afx237: I have a server running off of four 2TB disks, LVM off of an mdadm RAID10 array. The EFI system partition (ESP) cannot live on a software raid partition. If I went with EFI, my bootloader would not have redundancy. |
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| 01:02.53 | sypher | afx237: Using CSM boot, I just install grub to all four disks. Any disk can fail and be replaced, and I don't have to deal with rebuilding an EFI partition. |
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| 01:03.40 | sypher | afx237: Strictly speaking, you could manually create an ESP on all four disks, but that comes with its own set of problems. The only OS I know of that deals with this cleanly is FreeBSD. |
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| 01:13.52 | afx237 | sypher: thanks. all a bit beyond me, but i appreciate you sharing the info. assuming i'm not dealing with old PCs or RAID, am i safe to just use GPT on all my drives? |
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| 01:14.20 | sypher | afx237: I just let the installer configure whatever it thinks is best, unless there's a glaring reason not to. |
| 01:14.23 | sypher | afx237: Call me lazy. |
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| 01:23.59 | j4ckcom | when i install program with apt-get install xxx. then how can i uninstall it? |
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| 01:25.40 | dvs | j4ckcom, apt-get remove |
| 01:25.53 | j4ckcom | just apt-get remove? |
| 01:26.02 | j4ckcom | or apt-get remove xxx? |
| 01:26.13 | dvs | yes, apt-get remove xxxx |
| 01:26.27 | j4ckcom | dvs: how about apt-get purge xxx? |
| 01:26.36 | themill | apt-get does have a man page |
| 01:27.03 | Rockwolf | apt-get remove package name |
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| 01:27.20 | j4ckcom | thanks everyone :) |
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| 01:27.34 | j4ckcom | anyway what computer is good for debian? |
| 01:28.13 | dvs | j4ckcom, not brand spanking new ones (i.e. Kaby Lake) |
| 01:28.34 | Rockwolf | Ryzen 5 |
| 01:28.43 | dvs | too new |
| 01:28.57 | Rockwolf | Works just fine |
| 01:29.05 | dvs | updated kernel? |
| 01:29.28 | Papillon | iirc the new cpus just have extra sleep states the kernel doesn't know about |
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| 01:30.22 | Rockwolf | https://www.servethehome.com/amd-ryzen-5-1600-linux-benchmarks-and-review-we-like-this-one/ |
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| 01:31.39 | Rockwolf | Have a Ryzen 5 1600 running my new Proxmox server and it is working just as good as my old i3 |
| 01:31.54 | sypher | Proxmox is not Debian. |
| 01:32.21 | Rockwolf | Yes it is. It runs right on top of the Jessie |
| 01:32.32 | sypher | Again, Proxmox is not Debian. |
| 01:32.40 | Rockwolf | ok |
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| 01:33.56 | Rockwolf | https://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Install_Proxmox_VE_on_Debian_Jessie |
| 01:34.17 | missmbob | proxmox is off topic here |
| 01:34.44 | sypher | Rockwolf: The fact that you start with Debian and then mangle it doesn't mean that the result is Debian. The result is Proxmox. |
| 01:34.48 | sypher | !proxmox |
| 01:34.49 | dpkg | Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial ##proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Get_support |
| 01:34.54 | Rockwolf | it was relevent to the conversation |
| 01:35.16 | sypher | Rockwolf: Proxmox is relevant to someone asking "what computer is good for debian?" No, it is not. |
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| 01:35.51 | Rockwolf | k |
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| 01:39.20 | afx237 | anyone got a hunch on when stretch will be released? i know the real answer is "when it's ready"... but just wondering if anyone has a guess? |
| 01:39.32 | dvs | !wwsr |
| 01:39.33 | dpkg | Well... it's starting to get distinctly chilly... Debian 9 "Stretch" will probably release in mid-2017. It will release sooner if you help fix bugs in stretch and sid... take that as a challenge. Ask me about <stretch freeze>, <how-can-i-help> https://udd.debian.org/bugs/ |
| 01:40.17 | missmbob | https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ when rc bugs go to 0 |
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| 01:55.05 | awal1 | afx237, it will be released before the end of 2017 :P |
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| 02:17.08 | tw | is there another bidirectional, over-ssh, file synchronizer like unison except works when built with different compilers? Unison craps out when trying to interoperate between different ocaml versions. csync requires maintaining a database and seems to require its own listen socket. |
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| 02:40.27 | somiaj | tw: why not use rsync? |
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| 02:42.36 | ryouma | there is a script to at least partly emulate a bidirectional sync tool on an rsync website. see #rsync and do /topics. one of the links there should point to it. |
| 02:44.32 | tw | somiaj: doesn't detect conflicts like unison does. |
| 02:46.58 | somiaj | tw: conflicts? |
| 02:47.36 | tw | h1:/a is updated, h2:/a is updated, sync happens, older of the two is lost invisibly. |
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| 02:48.03 | ryouma | https://sanitarium.net/rsyncfaq/ -- right, it seems that if you edit 2 files, it won't alert you or allow file merging |
| 02:48.16 | ryouma | if you use emacs, you can try ztree-diff with tramp |
| 02:48.23 | ryouma | tw: |
| 02:49.39 | tw | I'll look at it, thanks. |
| 02:50.06 | ryouma | ask on #emacs if you have any q |
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| 02:51.11 | ryouma | tw: csync description online says nothing about sockets, and don't you need a database to do it? i.e. doesn't even unison use one? |
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| 02:51.24 | ryouma | (in the broad sense) |
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| 02:52.20 | tw | unison uses one, but you don't have to do anything with it, it creates it in the user's .unison. csync doesn't use ssh transport, so it definitely has its own sockets or is called by inetd. |
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| 02:54.49 | tw | in csync, you set up the directory/host pairs and they mutually auth with their own RSA keys. It's probably not that big a deal, but I'd need to do a lot more work to understand how and when connections are initiated than with a naive synchronizer like unison or rsync. |
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| 05:18.36 | OtakuSenpai | hello guys i want your help |
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| 05:27.41 | OtakuSenpai | when i start my computer,in the gdm login screen the keyboard layout is different from my normal keyboard layout |
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| 05:28.04 | OtakuSenpai | but when i login to my account the keyboard layout appears same as it should be |
| 05:28.12 | OtakuSenpai | ay helps? |
| 05:28.13 | OtakuSenpai | any* |
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| 05:31.24 | alekz | OtakuSenpai: https://wiki.debian.org/ChangeLanguage |
| 05:31.48 | alekz | maybe there's a different locale for the system |
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| 05:32.26 | OtakuSenpai | idk the laptop model is HP G5 204 |
| 05:32.40 | OtakuSenpai | i cant find a correct keyboard layout for it |
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| 05:33.59 | alekz | try setxkbmap |
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| 05:35.03 | OtakuSenpai | ok |
| 05:35.09 | alekz | there's a tool as well I saw once, it's xkb-switch |
| 05:35.14 | alekz | that may help |
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| 05:36.13 | OtakuSenpai | what does it do? |
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| 05:37.31 | alekz | well, the main propose is to change the layout, but there's an option to query it |
| 05:37.39 | OtakuSenpai | ok |
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| 05:37.41 | OtakuSenpai | thnx |
| 05:37.44 | alekz | np |
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| 05:41.30 | OtakuSenpai | well i tried apt-cache searching it,but it didnt show up |
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| 05:41.47 | alekz | OtakuSenpai: git |
| 05:42.53 | OtakuSenpai | aha |
| 05:43.06 | alekz | I'm sure it's there |
| 05:43.24 | OtakuSenpai | ill search it up |
| 05:43.34 | alekz | go ahead |
| 05:45.27 | OtakuSenpai | well apparently its in another package |
| 05:45.33 | OtakuSenpai | https://packages.debian.org/sid/x11-xkb-utils |
| 05:47.09 | alekz | OtakuSenpai: https://github.com/ierton/xkb-switch |
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| 05:48.39 | OtakuSenpai | kk |
| 05:49.41 | alekz | I'm getting a snack, there's a not working build that is driving me crazy, brb |
| 05:49.51 | OtakuSenpai | ok |
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| 06:35.55 | OtakuSenpai | alekz: thnx it worked |
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| 07:08.02 | Cl0udN9ne | hello guys |
| 07:08.30 | Cl0udN9ne | so using xkb-switch i solved the problem of my locales problem but |
| 07:08.39 | Cl0udN9ne | there is one more issue left |
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| 07:09.10 | Cl0udN9ne | i hav 2 users,one tht im speaking from now and another user whose desktop is i3 |
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| 07:10.02 | Cl0udN9ne | well when i try to start the computer and reach gdm login screen,the layout of my keyboard is quite different from the one it should be |
| 07:10.45 | Cl0udN9ne | if i type 'l' key on my keyboard,i get 'n' character(for example) |
| 07:11.14 | Cl0udN9ne | but when i login to the account from where im speaking,the keyboard layout is normal as it should be |
| 07:11.42 | Cl0udN9ne | the same problem appears on my other account,which has the different keyboard layout |
| 07:12.00 | Cl0udN9ne | i know tht i hav to do dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration |
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| 07:12.31 | Cl0udN9ne | but i dont know which layout to select for my model of laptop(which is HP G5 204) |
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| 07:13.31 | Cl0udN9ne | srry HP 245 G5 Notebook PC |
| 07:13.37 | Cl0udN9ne | thts m model |
| 07:13.42 | Cl0udN9ne | any helps pls? |
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| 07:24.37 | Cl0udN9ne | guys? |
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| 07:28.38 | canoon | Cl0udN9ne, you are just trying to work out what keyboard layout you have? |
| 07:28.56 | Cl0udN9ne | yes |
| 07:29.09 | Cl0udN9ne | and ow to change it to a normal one for my laptop |
| 07:29.44 | canoon | it probably just depends on where you live |
| 07:30.28 | Cl0udN9ne | well theres a keyboard attached to it where the arrangement of the keyboard is QWERTY style |
| 07:30.34 | Cl0udN9ne | i suppose |
| 07:31.02 | Cl0udN9ne | but i did want to change it to match the keys of my keyboard |
| 07:31.33 | canoon | Cl0udN9ne, what are the keys on your laptop? |
| 07:31.52 | Cl0udN9ne | how do i relay it to you? |
| 07:31.59 | Cl0udN9ne | wait let me post a pic of it |
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| 07:34.49 | Cl0udN9ne | http://tinypic.com/r/2qkrn1s/9 |
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| 07:34.53 | Cl0udN9ne | thts it |
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| 07:35.50 | canoon | Cl0udN9ne, that's just a us layout keyboard |
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| 07:36.59 | Cl0udN9ne | ok,but which one do i select i dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration for my keyboard |
| 07:37.18 | Cl0udN9ne | i changed tht config after which this mess has started |
| 07:37.47 | canoon | i don't use debian but isn't one of the options us? |
| 07:38.16 | Cl0udN9ne | not locales,i changed the keyboard-configuration package |
| 07:42.10 | jim | so, I want to add a cups print queue (another cups server's printer) to the local cups, but I can't get into the admin, permission denied... what's the default login name/passwd? or, how to set a passwd? |
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| 07:50.03 | canoon | jim, isn't it just your user password? |
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| 07:57.51 | jim | I tried that, I tried root (and its pw) |
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| 07:58.04 | jim | canoon, ^^ |
| 07:58.19 | canoon | ah no idea then |
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| 08:29.24 | Cl0udN9ne | can anyone help me out pls |
| 08:29.26 | Cl0udN9ne | PLS |
| 08:30.51 | at0m | Cl0udN9ne: i've selected "Generic 105-key (Intl) PC" for my full-size US keyb here |
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| 08:31.59 | Cl0udN9ne | at0m: i tried tht...login to my other account and trying dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration |
| 08:32.05 | Cl0udN9ne | and all tht |
| 08:32.09 | Cl0udN9ne | but it didnt work |
| 08:32.35 | Cl0udN9ne | only my gnome account is working properly |
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| 08:32.54 | Cl0udN9ne | the i3 account and the gdm screen doesnt work properly |
| 08:33.03 | at0m | what if you got it overruled in gnome settings? or, what if you type on tty? Ctrl-Alt-F1, for example |
| 08:33.12 | jair | hello all I am a question that might be not directly related to debian but will appreciate advice to where I should look other than irc and google |
| 08:33.38 | Cl0udN9ne | at0m: i dont know if its got overruled in gnome settings |
| 08:34.20 | jair | recently I have been getting this "403 Forbidden" messages when trying to go to very common sites like http://www.subnet-calculator.com/ but from my office I have no issues |
| 08:34.21 | Cl0udN9ne | but i didnt touch gnome settings,i just messed up with the keyboard-configuartion package |
| 08:34.27 | at0m | Cl0udN9ne: say, your system could be set to any keyboard, but if gnome overrides to US, you'll get the US keyb just in gnome. |
| 08:34.40 | jair | I have not installed any firewall or anything at home |
| 08:34.49 | at0m | jair: not using a proxy, either? |
| 08:34.50 | Cl0udN9ne | yeah |
| 08:35.01 | jair | however I do have some ad blockers in chrome and firefox |
| 08:35.05 | jair | no proxy nope |
| 08:35.16 | jair | at0m: at work works just fine |
| 08:35.22 | jair | but at home I can't |
| 08:35.25 | at0m | jair: same machine? |
| 08:35.32 | jair | nope |
| 08:35.35 | jair | different machine |
| 08:35.45 | jair | but same debian base |
| 08:36.04 | jair | same chrome version and firefox |
| 08:36.24 | jair | but as you know chrome just runs in top of debian fine |
| 08:36.43 | jair | and if you access chrome from another machine somewhere will carry the settings wherever you log in |
| 08:37.10 | at0m | jair: add -safe-mode to your firefox starting line, that will disable addons and show more verbose errors |
| 08:37.30 | jair | at0m: let me check |
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| 08:38.33 | Cl0udN9ne | what about my problem? |
| 08:39.20 | jair | at0m: what happens when you go to http://www.subnet-calculator.com/ |
| 08:39.23 | yeehi_ | Happy Hardware Freedom Day! http://hfday.org |
| 08:39.38 | jair | I wonder if it is the site that is under maintenance |
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| 08:40.03 | jair | at0m: or this other one: bbcworldnews.web.tv |
| 08:40.04 | at0m | jair: works fine here |
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| 08:40.19 | jair | at0m: hmm I wonder if it is my router then |
| 08:40.30 | jair | definitely has to be something with my connection at home |
| 08:40.40 | jair | because at the office works just fine |
| 08:40.42 | han-solo | jair: i can access it |
| 08:40.50 | Cl0udN9ne | its a network isp problem |
| 08:40.51 | at0m | jair: you could try another browser, or w3m even |
| 08:40.59 | jair | I also have fail2ban installed but that is just for incoming ssh protection |
| 08:41.02 | Cl0udN9ne | isp maybe blocking it |
| 08:41.03 | han-solo | although, i only tried it on lynx |
| 08:41.21 | jair | hmm ISP possibly |
| 08:41.28 | jair | let me try using a VPN |
| 08:41.50 | jair | but why the ISP will want to block a simpole ip calculator |
| 08:41.56 | at0m | jair: there's also a ##networking here on freenode |
| 08:41.59 | jair | http://www.subnet-calculator.com/? |
| 08:42.11 | jair | will check thanks so much |
| 08:42.21 | jair | I will also contact the ISP |
| 08:42.44 | jair | thanks guys I will check first the ISP then my router and take it from there |
| 08:42.49 | jair | have a good one! |
| 08:42.53 | Cl0udN9ne | jair: try using a proxy/vpn to connect to it first |
| 08:42.54 | at0m | jair: the adblocker may have some over-acting rule. i had some *ads* rule once that blocked gossamer-threads for example. |
| 08:43.05 | Cl0udN9ne | if it works then isp is the problem |
| 08:43.06 | jair | hmm |
| 08:43.11 | jair | right |
| 08:43.13 | jair | Thanks! |
| 08:43.19 | jair | will let you know |
| 08:43.28 | jair | but need to disconnect |
| 08:43.30 | jair | later |
| 08:43.35 | jair | Thank you!!! |
| 08:43.42 | Cl0udN9ne | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:43.45 | Cl0udN9ne | someone |
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| 08:44.55 | Cl0udN9ne | at0m: how do i revert back to my old keyboard layout? |
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| 08:45.35 | at0m | Cl0udN9ne: how am i supposed to know what your old layout was? |
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| 08:46.02 | Cl0udN9ne | well can you help me choose the new keyboard layout? |
| 08:46.28 | Lady_Aleena | How do I use the program dircolors to change the LS_COLORS? |
| 08:46.43 | at0m | i already have, dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration as you tried above. set it to generic or your HP model. |
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| 08:48.34 | yeehi_ | https://archive.org can work as a Free alternative when posting videos onto the internet |
| 08:48.35 | yeehi_ | [09:45] <yeehi_> I didn't know this |
| 08:48.37 | yeehi_ | [09:46] <yeehi_> Here is RMS in a recent interview on the Lunduke Hour: https://archive.org/details/LundukeHourApril14RMS |
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| 08:48.59 | Lady_Aleena | I was testing adding LS_COLORS='*.rar=00;31:' export LS_COLORS. However, all the colors on the LS_COLORS which were previously defined, lost their definition. |
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| 08:49.55 | Cl0udN9ne | pls guys anyone can guide me to what keyboard layout i should choose? |
| 08:51.00 | at0m | Cl0udN9ne: it seems there's nobody to help you for now. try again later. |
| 08:51.07 | han-solo | LS_COLORS=$LS_COLORS:'*rar=00;31:' is what you wanted , i guess |
| 08:51.40 | Lady_Aleena | han-solo, I'll try that. |
| 08:51.45 | han-solo | without the quotes maybe |
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| 08:52.16 | TomTomTosch | Lady_Aleena: dircolors -p > ~/.dircolors then edit the file. .bashrc will then source that automatically. |
| 08:52.34 | b30wulf | . |
| 08:53.02 | Cl0udN9ne | TomTomTosch: i hope you wont mind but can you help me pal? |
| 08:54.23 | Lady_Aleena | TomTomTosch, thank you! |
| 08:54.41 | TomTomTosch | Cl0udN9ne: i wouldn't know beyong what at0m already said. |
| 08:54.58 | TomTomTosch | * beyond |
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| 08:55.26 | Cl0udN9ne | but why is it tht on terminal its giving me a wrong layout and on gnome its giving a correct one? |
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| 08:57.31 | Lady_Aleena | -rw-r--r-- is 644 in chmod right? |
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| 09:01.44 | Cl0udN9ne | TomTomTosch: where is the keyboard-configuration file saved? |
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| 09:02.29 | Cl0udN9ne | s/keyboard-configuration file/the file where keyboard-configuration settings is saved |
| 09:03.03 | TomTomTosch | why are you asking me directly? i have no idea. |
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| 09:05.48 | s0lar1s | Cl0udN9ne, I found the answer to that question in the first result on Google. I suggest you try doing the same. Specifically you can google "where is the debian keyboard config file stored." |
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| 10:54.21 | deavmi | What are influxdb |
| 10:54.32 | deavmi | and collectd |
| 10:54.39 | deavmi | just saw them mentioned here |
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| 11:00.47 | TomTomTosch | collectd is a daemon that collects informations about system performance and can send it over the network. you can use it with things like graphite if you want to analyse it and monitor multiple devices. |
| 11:00.58 | deavmi | Nice |
| 11:01.00 | deavmi | graphite is? |
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| 11:01.08 | deavmi | Does it have to do with graphing these stats? |
| 11:01.13 | TomTomTosch | yes |
| 11:01.17 | deavmi | Ah cool |
| 11:01.21 | deavmi | I should look into this |
| 11:01.24 | deavmi | Sounds rad |
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| 11:02.01 | TomTomTosch | if you have a cluster, it's a bit overkill if you only want to monitor one device ^^ |
| 11:02.20 | deavmi | what would you use for onde device then? |
| 11:02.31 | deavmi | Doesn't muon do some cool stuff |
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| 11:07.22 | TomTomTosch | there are a few frontends for collectd, i havn't tried them besides graphite, though. |
| 11:07.58 | TomTomTosch | kcollectd is one that's not web based. that might be worth a look. |
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| 11:24.46 | Martin000 | hi. how can i force overwrite a complete package? |
| 11:25.07 | Martin000 | i've broke backuppc and want a complete reinstall with fresh directorys and config |
| 11:25.35 | TomTomTosch | !confmiss |
| 11:25.35 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
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| 11:37.50 | acresearch | ve a CD in my computer |
| 11:37.56 | acresearch | people, ubuntu has an app to create a live usb from .iso,,, is there something similar in debian? if not where can i find the best comman line steps to install the debian iso into a USB? i do not have cd in my computer |
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| 11:39.14 | TomTomTosch | you copy the iso to the block device with cp. cp /path/to/debian-live.iso /dev/sdX |
| 11:39.14 | missmbob | cp foo.iso /dev/sdX ...that's how you create a usb from iso in debian |
| 11:39.22 | TomTomTosch | ^^ |
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| 11:40.30 | acresearch | TomTomTosch: missmbob WOW, that is it??? |
| 11:40.45 | missmbob | yes. the fact that ubuntu made a gui for that is just...amazing |
| 11:40.49 | acresearch | i though i had to mount unmount and other sudo and dd steps like in ubuntu and raspian |
| 11:41.35 | TomTomTosch | ubuntu and raspbian are the exact same iirc. not sure what other tools they provide for people who expect a gui. |
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| 11:42.18 | Martin000 | thanks TomTomTosch |
| 11:42.32 | Martin000 | but does it restore dirs and file permissions? |
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| 11:43.14 | acresearch | ok TomTomTosch thanks |
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| 11:45.26 | Martin000 | i thought the oldschool force overwrite option should help |
| 11:45.37 | Martin000 | but backuppc isn't starting |
| 11:45.57 | Martin000 | deleted all backuppc dirs and used your command |
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| 11:50.21 | Martin000 | purge --force helped :) |
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| 12:13.06 | RM982 | hi, I have this weird issue with aptitude, I'm trying to install samba....aptitude install samba, The following NEW packages will be installed blabla bla and then couple seconds later I get "Killed" |
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| 12:14.30 | RM982 | any ide what is going on? never saw such thing |
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| 12:16.15 | RM982 | oh it seems system is running out of memory |
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| 13:08.22 | BluesKaj | Hiyas all |
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| 13:23.23 | spacebug^ | hi BluesKaj |
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| 13:31.50 | BluesKaj | Hi spacebug |
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| 13:50.43 | fugdnscerd1 | hey guys, have a very odd issue and I thought you might be able to point me in the right direction. I have what, on the surface, seems like major network latency. There is an initial delay in all of my network traffic. For example, if I ping another host, there is a significant delay before the first response. After running wireshark while pinging another host on my LAN i see that there is about a 7 second delay before the f |
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| 13:53.05 | SuperSeriousCat | Think #networking is perfect for that question. They are total nerds |
| 13:53.19 | fugdnscerd1 | ok thanks |
| 13:53.26 | SuperSeriousCat | Or #network or something else similar. Dont remember if it was # or ## either |
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| 13:53.46 | fugdnscerd1 | cool, I appreciate it |
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| 13:56.15 | fugdnscerd1 | I'll check that out, thought I figured it was probably a Linux and/or driver issue thought since it seems once the initial ping packet is sent everything works ok, just a major delay between running the ping command and the first packet acuatlly being sent. |
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| 13:59.44 | r_rios | Hello, all. I'm having trouble installing 32-bit packages that depend on libgl in my system |
| 13:59.50 | r_rios | I have the nvidia drivers installed, so I can't install normal libgl, but gtk2 requires libgl |
| 13:59.56 | r_rios | I'm not sure what to do |
| 14:01.49 | twostone | you should have libgl1-nvidia-glx installed... Used debian's repos or direct download off of nvidia? |
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| 14:05.45 | r_rios | twostone: Debian's repos. I already have it installed |
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| 14:07.11 | r_rios | twostone: Here's the output of sudo apt install libglib2.0-0:i386: https://paste.debian.net/927771/ |
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| 14:07.49 | Papillon | ./list openbox |
| 14:07.57 | r_rios | It seems it's trying to replace the 64-bit glib |
| 14:08.42 | Papillon | doesn't look like there is one |
| 14:08.46 | Papillon | on freenode |
| 14:09.18 | twostone | ...which will result in Frankenstein's Debian... Have you been using sid- and stable repos simultaneously? |
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| 14:12.02 | r_rios | twostone: I'm on Debian stable |
| 14:13.35 | r_rios | I'm trying to run PCSX, which requires gtk |
| 14:13.42 | r_rios | *PCSX2, actually |
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| 14:16.50 | twostone | Something must have mutated within your debian. Or it is time for an upgrade. both 64 and 32bit libgl happily coexist on my system... |
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| 14:21.04 | r_rios | twostone: I have the two versions of libgl installed. My problem seems to be when I'm trying to install glib |
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| 14:22.09 | twostone | which version do you have? |
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| 14:30.03 | r_rios | twostone: libgl1-nvidia-legacy-304xx-glx, both amd64 and i386 |
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| 14:52.45 | twostone | why do you need a new glib for pcsx? |
| 14:53.20 | r_rios | Because of gtk |
| 14:53.23 | Papillon | presumably because that version of pcsx was compiled with a new version of glib |
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| 14:53.55 | r_rios | PSCX2 depends on gtk |
| 14:54.03 | r_rios | Which depends on glib |
| 14:54.12 | twostone | and you don't have an amd64 gtk3 or gtk2 already installed, i presume? |
| 14:54.23 | r_rios | I have |
| 14:54.35 | r_rios | But it needs the 32-bit gtk libs |
| 14:55.09 | r_rios | Btw, the problem seems to be related to the fact that I have a ton of backport packages installed |
| 14:55.18 | r_rios | Even though I removed the backport repos ages ago |
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| 14:57.54 | twostone | Ah, don't mix repos. They don't mix well. Although, I use backports as well, and I don't have that problem. Alas, I use sid. |
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| 14:59.07 | n-iCe | ubuntu removed the swap partition, and uses now swap file, smart move? |
| 14:59.14 | r_rios | I know. I had to remove the backports due to driver issues, but I didn't remove the repos properly |
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| 15:01.52 | sypher | n-iCe: Relevance to Debian? |
| 15:02.06 | n-iCe | sypher, sure, will debian do the same move? |
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| 15:02.44 | twostone | what for? If you want to use a swap file, you can and always could. But why? |
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| 15:07.19 | r_rios | Thanks for the help, twostone :) |
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| 15:08.03 | twostone | wasn't much of a help, was it. |
| 15:09.27 | r_rios | twostone: the intention is what counts |
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| 15:11.02 | twostone | Two things come to mind: One, a clean install might do the trick, two, write down what apt removes and reinstall, after pcsx installed. Sometimes, apt is a little diva. |
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| 15:18.38 | twostone | None of these options are failsafe, of course. You'd have to decide, just how critical it is, having pcsx². |
| 15:18.48 | twostone | You might even run it in docker or a VM. |
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| 15:21.59 | r_rios | twostone: I have to fix system anyway, PCSX2 is just an excuse at this point |
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| 15:22.24 | r_rios | I'm doing option two, except for each library instead of doing it for everything |
| 15:23.15 | twostone | I'd just reinstall the applications. Sain apt, it will install needed libs anyways. |
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| 15:29.41 | anotherus3r | Will netinstall provide me openvpn+firefox preinstalled also? |
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| 15:30.42 | twostone | doubt it, unless you specify. Firefox, yes. But openVPN? usually not. But why bother? You've got apt powers, don't you? |
| 15:31.05 | anotherus3r | twostone: Last time when I installed Debian, I got all packages installed as OpenVPN and Firefox. But not ths time. Why? |
| 15:31.16 | anotherus3r | This time I downloaded debian+kde |
| 15:31.25 | anotherus3r | Last time I cant really remember what iso I downloaded |
| 15:32.12 | anotherus3r | twostone: Do you know what iso to download again? To get firefox+openvpn preinstalled also? |
| 15:32.58 | twostone | Netinstall will give you anything the regular installs will. Also, anything they might not. You only have to specify you really want it. Go for the netinstall, you end up with the latest stable. Or sid. Or whatever your preference. |
| 15:34.03 | celyr | I still use xfce |
| 15:34.07 | anotherus3r | twostone: But why did I get firefox+openvpn preinstalled last time? I cant really figure it out? |
| 15:34.15 | celyr | do you think I'm ill ? XD |
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| 15:35.08 | twostone | You want it or not? |
| 15:35.40 | anotherus3r | twostone: yes I want it, but the question I have is more like, why did I get it preinstalled, in what way? |
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| 15:36.28 | anotherus3r | I try to understand this |
| 15:36.29 | twostone | Was part of the package. Also selectable via netinstall or later via apt. Why worry? |
| 15:37.08 | abff | I know when I first started with debian I was worried I wouldn't be able to properly setup anything desktop related. The task seemed daunting |
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| 15:37.16 | anotherus3r | twostone: no preinstalled after I installed debian and boot it was already there? |
| 15:37.54 | anotherus3r | twostone: the thing is, I cant really remember if I used the netinstall or not |
| 15:37.55 | twostone | That, I didn't get. |
| 15:38.18 | anotherus3r | twostone: I installed debian. After boot to it, the firefox+openvpn was already installed. |
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| 15:38.51 | twostone | Well, there you have it: It was part of the selected installation package. Which netinstall will also give you. |
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| 15:39.28 | anotherus3r | twostone: ok, but debian+KDE.iso didnt give it to me? so the only way is netinstall right? |
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| 15:40.44 | twostone | Just have a read what's in the various packages before selecting or deselecting them, and it will be fine. Otherwise, what's wrong with using apt? Any installation media will give you a base system plus a few extras. My credo is, keep the base install as simple as possible, do the rest via apt+synaptic. Hassle free. |
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| 15:41.08 | anotherus3r | twostone: ok thank you :) |
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| 15:41.38 | smdrz | im having problem with kmail, after adding gmail(with app password) in the middle of sync it just stops, why? |
| 15:42.48 | twostone | sounds gmail-related. 2FA? |
| 15:43.31 | twostone | kmail might not be 2FA-capable. |
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| 15:44.26 | sypher | He's using an app password. The application doesn't need to be 2FA capable. |
| 15:44.36 | smdrz | hmm, claws mail didnt have any issue with it |
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| 15:47.26 | smdrz | it seems issues akonadi imap receivers, |
| 15:48.01 | sine0 | I want to rsync a file between my computer and anther computer i access through a shell "ssh domain.com && ssh 192.. etc" |
| 15:48.16 | sine0 | is there a way i can craft a string from here that will just do all that |
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| 15:49.12 | smdrz | ok, whole kmail started to crash |
| 15:49.14 | twostone | @sine0: Define, please. |
| 15:49.45 | twostone | you can always encapsulate an ssh sesion within another ssh session, why not? |
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| 15:50.20 | smdrz | kmail error(timeout trying to get lock) |
| 15:50.33 | jhutchins | sine0: You've given us part of what you think the process is, not what you're actually trying to do. |
| 15:50.46 | jhutchins | "all that" is not defined. |
| 15:50.51 | twostone | @smdrz: multiple, simultaneous logins? |
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| 15:51.59 | sine0 | I want to rsync a large file 700mb via a crappy country internet connection to another computer that is behind a public facing computer, I have ssh to both, the one i want to get to is a local one. |
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| 15:52.25 | sine0 | or should i say its not public facing etc |
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| 15:53.06 | celyr | and what is the problem |
| 15:53.34 | twostone | Right, you want to connect via SSH to one computer, have it initiate (and keep alive) an SSH session on a third computer and copy files? Easy, run screen on that second computer and connect to that screen session. |
| 15:54.06 | smdrz | @twostone, maybe,it seems i need to turn on less secure option for gmail, which is not supported on F2A setup, will switch to claws mail |
| 15:54.26 | twostone | This way, anything running within that screen-Session will not terminate when you terminate the ssh-session on your first machine. |
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| 15:59.11 | SuperSeriousCat | Cant you just do rsync -e ssh user@ip:/dir? |
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| 15:59.43 | twostone | The problem is, once you disconnect from an ssh-session, it will kill its children. |
| 16:00.07 | twostone | hence, screen. |
| 16:01.05 | SuperSeriousCat | Tought rsync kept the SSH alive. After all it is using SSH and its encryption to transfer the file |
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| 16:01.28 | twostone | Screen will run in the background on the second machine, the user connects via ssh, issues commands within screen, user disconnects, screen will execute these commands in the background, user can always reconnect. |
| 16:02.27 | twostone | @Cat: Problem is (from what i understand), rsync will be run within an SSH session itself. Thus, if the user disconnects, SSH will eat its children. |
| 16:03.03 | SuperSeriousCat | You can always run it in screen |
| 16:03.19 | twostone | what i said? |
| 16:03.29 | SuperSeriousCat | If he got to close the terminal |
| 16:03.47 | jhutchins | Tunneling. |
| 16:03.52 | jhutchins | You want ssh tunneling. |
| 16:04.08 | jhutchins | Create a tunnel on the accessible computer to the third box, then rsync over that tunnel. |
| 16:04.18 | twostone | will go talk to walls, instead. |
| 16:04.33 | sine0 | im reading it all dont get hissy :D |
| 16:04.38 | SuperSeriousCat | aka -e ssh :P |
| 16:04.45 | jhutchins | The other way to do it would be to transfer the file to the first machine, then to the second. |
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| 16:05.57 | jhutchins | !ssh tunnel |
| 16:05.57 | dpkg | from memory, ssh tunneling is http://www.cs.sunysb.edu/facilities/faqs/SSHTunnelingUnix.html , or http://www.google.com/search?q='ssh+tunneling' , or http://www.debian-administration.org/article/38/Tunneling_connections_securely_with_SSH |
| 16:06.00 | SuperSeriousCat | A really simple solution would just be using dropbox |
| 16:06.07 | twostone | That might defeat the whole purpose of this discussion. As far as I read, the first machine has an unreliable connection. |
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| 16:06.45 | jhutchins | SuperSeriousCat: Why bring a fourth layer into the picture? He would not be able to download from dropbox on the firewalled machine. |
| 16:06.52 | Eryn_1983_FL | all hail debian gurus |
| 16:07.07 | Eryn_1983_FL | how the heck do i make a bootup script for systemd? |
| 16:07.37 | twostone | With pleasure. |
| 16:07.38 | jhutchins | Eryn_1983_FL: I believe that rc.local still gets exectuted. |
| 16:07.39 | SuperSeriousCat | Dropbox use port 80 and 443 |
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| 16:07.44 | Eryn_1983_FL | mmm |
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| 16:08.59 | twostone | @jhutchins: It does. |
| 16:09.31 | Eryn_1983_FL | but is that always going to be backward compatible ? |
| 16:09.46 | Eryn_1983_FL | is some version in the distant future going to move it some other directory? |
| 16:09.57 | Eryn_1983_FL | i want to be future proof as much as possible |
| 16:10.06 | BluesKaj | twostone: have you noticed @ isn't required on irc |
| 16:10.30 | sine0 | SuperSeriousCat: last time i read dropbox was a pain to setup cli on debian |
| 16:10.33 | sine0 | has it got better |
| 16:11.06 | twostone | @Blueskaj: Depends on the client. I still use it, so there it is. |
| 16:11.39 | twostone | about as virulent as the everpresent hashtag. |
| 16:11.49 | SuperSeriousCat | I dont use CLI so dont know |
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| 16:13.04 | SuperSeriousCat | on dropbox that is |
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| 16:13.36 | BluesKaj | shrugs , do yo see anyone else using it, the user's nick is all that's needed. |
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| 16:14.37 | twostone | is still not convinced and will keep on using it, for old times sake. |
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| 16:18.03 | sypher | Haven't ever seen a client that needs it. This isn't twitter. |
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| 16:19.11 | twostone | They now use it on twitter as well? |
| 16:19.43 | sypher | Twitter's always used it? |
| 16:20.02 | sypher | And IRC has never used it, as the @ symbol is generally used as a privilege indicator. |
| 16:20.06 | twostone | has never used twitter and probably never will... |
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| 16:21.59 | SuperSeriousCat | @ + nick = OP or smt in many clients |
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| 16:22.26 | SuperSeriousCat | Or is it half-op? |
| 16:23.18 | twostone | For me, it simply signifies the difference between talking to someone or about someone. |
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| 16:23.37 | BluesKaj | it's just not necessary in ordinary chat on irc, that's all |
| 16:23.43 | TomTomTo1 | who cares... |
| 16:23.48 | twostone | that, i know. |
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| 16:23.58 | SuperSeriousCat | My client dont even autocomplete names if I add a @ before I start to type it |
| 16:24.06 | han-solo | i think, ircs has been there longer than twitter has |
| 16:24.07 | han-solo | :} |
| 16:24.19 | SuperSeriousCat | You dont say? :P |
| 16:24.31 | r_rios | Hey, I'm trying to downgrade systemd, but I hit a roadblock: old systemd depends on old udev, but new systemd breaks old udev. That gets me in a situation where I can neither downgrade udev and systemd together (that would leave udev broken, because udev gets downgraded first), nor downgrade systemd first, then downgrade udev (systemd depends on udev). How do I solve this? |
| 16:25.02 | r_rios | I'm trying to ignore dependency resolution, but I haven't found a way to do it with apt |
| 16:25.12 | twostone | Wasn't there a fork that still uses systemVinit? |
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| 16:25.41 | r_rios | A fork of what? |
| 16:25.53 | twostone | debian. |
| 16:26.08 | r_rios | Ah, yes. It's called Devuan |
| 16:26.14 | BluesKaj | yeah, devuan |
| 16:26.23 | twostone | thought as much. |
| 16:26.33 | r_rios | I really don't see the need for it, though |
| 16:26.35 | twostone | Anyway, why do you want to downgrade systemd? |
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| 16:27.08 | r_rios | Because I have backports systemd installed and I'm trying to install jessie systemd |
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| 16:28.12 | twostone | Nothing's ever easy with you, is it? :P |
| 16:28.27 | BluesKaj | devuan is for users who want to be free of systemd , but it's quite a regression |
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| 16:28.44 | r_rios | Hahaha |
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| 16:29.11 | r_rios | Is there any hope left for me? I really don't want to do a complete reinstall |
| 16:29.44 | twostone | I am not in front of your box, but have you ever used aptitude? |
| 16:30.06 | r_rios | Why is downgrading so difficult in Debian anyways? I never understood the need to actively prevent downgrades |
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| 16:30.24 | r_rios | twostone: Yes, it didn't help in this case |
| 16:31.16 | r_rios | It seems aptitude has a CLI interface that provides an option to disable dependency checking, but I haven't tried that yet |
| 16:32.01 | r_rios | I'm looking for other options before that, though, since it's going to be a pain to translate my apt command to the CLI interface |
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| 16:34.46 | twostone | aptitude has a graphical frontend now? |
| 16:35.01 | twostone | what else did i miss? |
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| 16:36.51 | r_rios | Not exactly graphical, just a CLI |
| 16:37.05 | r_rios | Just run aptitude with no arguments |
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| 16:37.28 | twostone | That, I've seen before. |
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| 16:44.35 | Enrico_Menotti | Hello. I had to reinstall my Debian distribution after some issues with the wlan. Now I could not set up mirrors during the installation (due to the absence of a lan), so I need to do it now. I know I may edit sources.list, but I wonder whether there be a way to enter in the nice interface which is used by the installation process, where mirrors are listed. Anyone knows? |
| 16:45.03 | petn-randall | !jessie sources.list |
| 16:45.04 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
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| 16:45.14 | petn-randall | Enrico_Menotti: Just add these by hand ^^^. |
| 16:46.38 | Enrico_Menotti | petn-randall I know, but I'd like to have some automatic way to do that, not to have to find out the addresses of the mirrors. No way? |
| 16:46.58 | Enrico_Menotti | (It's something I'd expect, since it is possible in the installer, provided a network is available.) |
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| 16:47.25 | petn-randall | Enrico_Menotti: The installer comes with a list of mirrors, the finished installation doesn't have this list, though. |
| 16:48.19 | Enrico_Menotti | ... ok, but it seems strange to me. I'll look for the mirror by hand, I know there is one close to my location. Thank you. |
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| 16:49.57 | petn-randall | Enrico_Menotti: Why not take the one I gave you? It automatically redirects you to the closest instance. |
| 16:50.15 | sypher | The joys of anycasting. |
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| 16:50.36 | sypher | petn-randall: Or is just just a CDN redirect? |
| 16:51.03 | Enrico_Menotti | Ah ok. In any case, I had to install also non-free components. So I should add some non-free parameter, right? |
| 16:51.36 | petn-randall | sypher: See for yourself: http://deb.debian.org/ |
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| 16:52.09 | petn-randall | Enrico_Menotti: Yes, just add 'contrib non-free' after main. |
| 16:52.10 | sypher | petn-randall: Gotcha, thanks. |
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| 17:11.34 | Enrico_Menotti | !jessie-updates |
| 17:11.34 | dpkg | jessie-updates is a suite providing updates to some packages (from <proposed-updates>) prior to a <point release>. All packages from jessie-updates will be included in point releases. https://wiki.debian.org/StableUpdates . Not to be confused with <jessie/updates> which is for <security> updates. |
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| 17:12.48 | Enrico_Menotti | !jessie/updates |
| 17:12.48 | dpkg | On Debian 8 "Jessie" systems, there are two repositories that you should have in your sources.list aside from your main mirror. You should have an entry for "jessie/updates" which is security updates (ask me about <security>) and also an entry for "jessie-updates" which is other updated packages (see <jessie-updates>). See also <sources.list>. |
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| 17:13.19 | petn-randall | Enrico_Menotti: /msg dpkg jessie/updates |
| 17:13.35 | petn-randall | Enrico_Menotti: If you want to ask the bot more things it's better to do so in private. |
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| 17:14.00 | Enrico_Menotti | petn-randall Yes, sorry. But anyhow this is what I wanted to know. Thanks. |
| 17:14.41 | petn-randall | Enrico_Menotti: No worries, I'm glad we could help. Have fun! |
| 17:15.31 | nodiscc | hi, I've just set up avahi-daemon to announce my pulseaudio server over the network, it works perfectly, nice tool. I just have a question, in addition to port 5353, avahi-daemon is listening on another UDP port (high port 30000+, a new random port is chose everytime avahi restarts) -> What is that port used for? How do I disable listening on that random port? |
| 17:15.43 | nodiscc | Right now netstat -pltuna tells me '1990/avahi-daemon: udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:37630 0.0.0.0:*'. On last restart it was port 55147, etc. |
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| 17:18.25 | sypher | nodiscc: I believe that that high port is part of its normal function. Also, netstat (and the other commands in net-tools) are deprecated. |
| 17:18.54 | nodiscc | sypher: I also think it's normal, but can't find the documentation about it. |
| 17:19.12 | nodiscc | what's the netstat replacement? ip? |
| 17:19.18 | petn-randall | sypher: What tool replaces netstat? |
| 17:19.20 | sypher | nodiscc: I know that Avahi opens two ports: 5353, and one high port. |
| 17:19.43 | sypher | petn-randall: ss, ip route, ip -s link, ip maddr |
| 17:19.49 | sypher | https://dougvitale.wordpress.com/2011/12/21/deprecated-linux-networking-commands-and-their-replacements/ |
| 17:20.09 | petn-randall | predicts them all still being in Debian in 10 years. |
| 17:20.41 | sypher | petn-randall: Considering they were deprecated eight years ago, you're probably right. |
| 17:20.44 | nodiscc | petn-randall: sure, as is ifconfig. so many scripts depending on deprecated commands... |
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| 17:22.16 | nodiscc | thanks. my only remaining problem with the pulseaudio setup is that the auth cookie is regenerated at every reboot. so I have to sync client/server cookies every time one of the machines has been rebooted |
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| 17:23.02 | nodiscc | but audio works really well on my wireless LAN now |
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| 17:26.43 | Enrico_Menotti | I have a question about xkb. I have Debian embedded on an arm architecture. Now the keyboard of that device is very specific. So there is a specific file into the symbols directory which specifies how the keys should behave. The problem is that a type is used which is defined in a particular file inside the types directory; somewhat, the system doesn't read that file. So my question is: where are type files referred |
| 17:26.43 | Enrico_Menotti | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:28.05 | jolt | HAJP HAJP HAJP! |
| 17:28.19 | jolt | Ser fram emot Urkahoppen! |
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| 17:28.46 | Enrico_Menotti | jolt ? |
| 17:28.55 | jolt | THat was the wrong channel, so sorry :/ |
| 17:29.00 | jolt | Hello lagg |
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| 17:31.25 | jolt | Enrico_Menotti: I have no idea about the load of that, but you could of course load it manually with loadkeys at boot |
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| 17:32.19 | spacebug^ | so Virtualbox is not free software anymore because its in contrib? Are there any other simular programs that are free software? |
| 17:32.59 | n4dir | qemu |
| 17:33.22 | jolt | spacebug^: KVM/qemu |
| 17:33.47 | jolt | spacebug^: Or lxc if you want lightweight containers |
| 17:34.39 | spacebug^ | jolt: are they as easy to use? Do yoo know any howto site I can read up on? |
| 17:34.50 | jolt | spacebug^: Easier than the others imho |
| 17:35.16 | spacebug^ | ok |
| 17:35.51 | jolt | spacebug^: Have a look here: https://feeding.cloud.geek.nz/posts/lxc-setup-on-debian-jessie/ |
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| 17:36.12 | jolt | The debian wiki has the same info, but not the overview |
| 17:36.18 | spacebug^ | thanx jolt |
| 17:36.54 | jolt | np |
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| 18:03.27 | pac | does anyone know where I can find a wiki about the lifecycle of the /etc/hosts file? I want to hook into that lifecycle and augment its functionality with logic that supports regex, since the hosts file itself does not support wildcards |
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| 18:10.16 | twostone | pac: what's your point? |
| 18:12.04 | jelly | pac: if you need anything more complex than a couple static entries, use a dns. |
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| 18:12.29 | jelly | !goal |
| 18:12.29 | dpkg | Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is. |
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| 18:13.40 | twostone | word. Thanks for the clarification. |
| 18:14.34 | jolt | pac: Read https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc952 (and weep) |
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| 18:17.10 | pac | twostone, jelly i would like to do wildcard style resolution, so instead of just doing 'www.example.com' I would want to be able to do '*example.com' to take into account subdomains as well (instead of listing them out one by one). The immediate use for this was to block advertising websites |
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| 18:18.27 | pac | and I wanted the block to be system wide, thus applying to both web browsers, and apps |
| 18:18.45 | twostone | Why not just use a proxy then, pac? |
| 18:18.59 | twostone | The /etc/hosts is the wrong place for that. |
| 18:19.18 | pac | twostone, pac works for browsers, yes, and I have already implemented that, but anything outside of the browser would not get blocked by the pac file |
| 18:19.40 | jelly | which tools outside browsers are affected by ads? |
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| 18:19.59 | twostone | If you use a transparent proxy, it would... |
| 18:20.03 | jelly | and which protocols apart from http and https? |
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| 18:20.37 | pac | jelly, I was thinking of applying it to apps as well |
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| 18:21.01 | pac | probably just http and https at first, I'm not sure of any need to block other protocols at the moment |
| 18:21.12 | sypher | This does not sound like a job for the hosts file. |
| 18:21.18 | jelly | then configure said apps to use a proxy as well? |
| 18:21.37 | pac | jelly, what if they do not allow for that kind of configuration? |
| 18:21.44 | jelly | pac: name one |
| 18:21.47 | twostone | you don't need to configure the apps to use a proxy if said proxy is a transparent one... |
| 18:22.14 | pac | let me look up transparent proxy, give me a moment. |
| 18:22.38 | jelly | it's better to solve a real issue than an imaginary generic version of an issue |
| 18:22.58 | sypher | Or a DNS server with a blocklist... I mean, there are a number of ways to deal with this. |
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| 18:23.25 | jolt | pac: Why not just use something that is made for stuff like that, like privoxy, or even dnsmasq? |
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| 18:24.01 | jelly | something like pdns-recursor or unbound or dnsmasq can be configured to give different answers for specific queries |
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| 18:24.37 | pac | ok, ill go the root of looking into transparent proxies, privoxy, and dnsmasq then, thx for the help all |
| 18:25.28 | twostone | mentioned unbound might as well be an option. Depends if you just want to block hosts or want to do more filtering. |
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| 18:26.07 | twostone | I use a combination of squid, suricata, unbound and dansguardian. |
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| 18:27.18 | pac | twostone, thats quite a configuration, I was just looking for something that would run on my laptop, I dont need this for an enterprise level application or anything |
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| 18:28.51 | twostone | Take your pick then. Any of those will serve you, most will do a lot more. |
| 18:30.43 | jelly | using you own recursor makes sense even on a laptop |
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| 18:39.56 | jolt | pac: privoxy can do transparent proxying AND blocklists etc. I think it's a good match for what you need |
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| 18:41.57 | pac | jolt, sounds like a plan, im reading up on everything as we speak. thx much |
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| 19:08.21 | ThePortWhisperer | hey guys |
| 19:08.38 | ThePortWhisperer | i have made a custom theme for my debian terminal, i want to find where it's saved so i can back it up somewhere |
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| 19:09.18 | twostone | Easy, just go to where you saved it. |
| 19:10.06 | ThePortWhisperer | twostone, i didn't save it |
| 19:10.20 | twostone | Then you've lost it. |
| 19:10.32 | ThePortWhisperer | i'm using it right now, it's not lost |
| 19:10.40 | twostone | Then save it. |
| 19:10.53 | twostone | is confused... |
| 19:10.54 | ThePortWhisperer | how do i save the custom theme |
| 19:11.14 | ThePortWhisperer | idk its not that complicated, i made a custom theme and it just sits in a slot called custom in my terminal profile settings |
| 19:11.36 | ThePortWhisperer | i cant save it as custom1 and preserve the settings |
| 19:11.40 | jolt | ThePortWhisperer: No idea which terminal, but maybe it's under ~/.config/<something> |
| 19:11.42 | ThePortWhisperer | if i make any change, then it overwrites |
| 19:12.02 | ThePortWhisperer | it's just the default one on kali which is running debian jessie |
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| 19:14.48 | hid3 | Hello everyone. I have a machine with Xeon 1265L v2 CPU which is 2.5 GHz, however it is supposed to boot up to 3.0+ Ghz when on load. I have launched 'stress' to burn the CPU cycles, however, in /proc/cpuinfo, field 'cpu MHz' is still at 2500. ANy ideas how to get the boost out of that Xeon? Any special module(s) needs to be loaded? |
| 19:15.11 | ThePortWhisperer | jolt, doesn't seem to be there |
| 19:15.21 | ThePortWhisperer | it says gnome terminal 3.20.2 |
| 19:15.28 | twostone | It has to be enabled in BIOS, hid3. |
| 19:15.28 | jolt | ThePortWhisperer: Sorry, I'm using Terminator, and it saves it stuff there |
| 19:15.49 | missmbob | !kali |
| 19:15.49 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
| 19:15.50 | hid3 | twostone: it is enabled, I have checked it... |
| 19:15.51 | somiaj | hid3: sure there isn't some bios/firmware setting you need to get that jump? I'm not familar with that cpu, but usually cpus that scale they are much lower than 2.5 GHz at rest (800 is common) |
| 19:16.21 | hid3 | it should scale upwards and not be throttled at idle... |
| 19:16.33 | somiaj | have you checked for linux support for this feature in the cpu? |
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| 19:17.30 | hid3 | no. No idea what/where should I check... |
| 19:17.44 | ThePortWhisperer | jolt, wow, there's no way to add a theme so apparently people write scripts to preserve their themes |
| 19:17.47 | ThePortWhisperer | very depressing |
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| 19:19.46 | somiaj | hid3: all I'm finding is info about cpu governers, unsure if you need to enable/configure one for that cpu or not. |
| 19:20.35 | twostone | You could click File->"New Profile" to create a new, persistent profile... |
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| 19:24.23 | hid3 | weird... While the 'stress' is running, cpu temperature is ~80 *C. But the fan is still at 11% of its speed |
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| 19:29.25 | twostone | don't have speedfan setup correctly? |
| 19:29.44 | twostone | 80°C is a bit much for my taste... |
| 19:30.13 | twostone | also might explain why your CPU won't go into turbo. |
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| 19:39.05 | citrik | Hi all! Anyone experienced on rdiff-backup? |
| 19:39.19 | sypher | !ask |
| 19:39.20 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 19:41.08 | citrik | I gat an error when I try to make a backup rdiff-backup source dest: https://pastebin.com/0Y5E2nSr |
| 19:41.31 | citrik | And I don't want to lose the data |
| 19:41.41 | newlinux | Hi whats the name of the debian.iso that provide different options for installation? 32vs64 bit graphic installation for example? |
| 19:41.53 | sypher | Ugh, pastebin. Ads everywhere, and it has in the past served malware. |
| 19:42.05 | citrik | Ok, sorry |
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| 19:43.06 | citrik | https://hastebin.com/efatuqigaz.sql |
| 19:43.10 | twostone | newlinux: You might want to look at the netinstalls... |
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| 19:43.52 | citrik | The rdiff-backups says me to use --force but I don't want to loose the data |
| 19:43.56 | sypher | citrik: So, is the destination directory actually an rdiff-backup destination? Or is it some other directory that you're trying to sync with the source? |
| 19:43.58 | newlinux | twostone: I did, But there is only 32 vs 64 bit, there is no one that provide both options when it comes to installation. |
| 19:44.00 | BluesKaj | newlinux: netinstall |
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| 19:44.06 | twostone | Then again, You'd usually have to choose arch before downloading your iso. |
| 19:44.10 | newlinux | BluesKaj ^ |
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| 19:44.15 | citrik | sypher diferents HD |
| 19:44.18 | citrik | usb hd |
| 19:44.23 | sypher | citrik: That doesn't answer my question. |
| 19:44.37 | newlinux | twostone: arch? |
| 19:44.44 | sypher | citrik: What are you trying to do? What problem are you attempting to solve with rdiff-backup? |
| 19:45.17 | citrik | Ok, I explain, sorry for my english, it's improving |
| 19:45.42 | citrik | 1 usb hd with data, another empty usb hd |
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| 19:45.50 | citrik | mounted all of two |
| 19:46.01 | citrik | /media/soure /media/dest |
| 19:46.17 | citrik | rdiff-backup /media/source /media/dest and I get the error |
| 19:46.37 | twostone | In that case you don't really need to do an rdiff-backup, since every file on source will be different than target. |
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| 19:47.05 | citrik | Not an initial rdiff-backup? only cp? |
| 19:47.43 | twostone | sure. Since your destination is empty anyways, just duplicate the source. |
| 19:48.03 | citrik | ok, and then rdiff-backup, it's right? |
| 19:48.32 | twostone | yes, later you can track changes. Now, it is not necessary. |
| 19:48.55 | citrik | Ok, thanks a million for the attention! |
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| 19:49.02 | twostone | rdiff might not be the bes tool for that, though. |
| 19:49.12 | citrik | My data says thanks too ;) |
| 19:50.05 | twostone | You might want to take a look at rsync, backintime, or even at different filesystems like BTRFS or ZFS and deal in snapshots. |
| 19:50.22 | newlinux | any idea? |
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| 19:51.07 | ryouma | rsnapshot is similar to rdiff-backup and is quite nice |
| 19:51.08 | newlinux | BluesKaj: netinstall only provides 32 vs 64 bit, there is no one that provide both options at same time? |
| 19:51.34 | newlinux | BlueKaj: I mean, so that you could choice what you really want in the options. |
| 19:51.35 | twostone | newlinux: So you are looking at multiarch installs? Haven't seen one of these around in ages, but it is possible, i presume. You could use a boot loader and different images, for example. |
| 19:51.43 | ryouma | (similar but uses rsync) |
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| 19:52.09 | missmbob | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-8.7.1-amd64-i386-netinst.iso that's multiarch installer |
| 19:52.19 | newlinux | twostone: no, what I mean is, when you boot the .iso file, you have different options (both 32 and 64 bit). |
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| 19:52.29 | citrik | backintime seems good and with GUI :) |
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| 19:53.00 | twostone | newlinux: kind of like missmbob posted? |
| 19:53.52 | newlinux | missbomb: so that provides both options, then you have to choice 32 vs 64 bit graphic installation in the menu before the install? im right? |
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| 19:55.16 | missmbob | it's automatic. if it detects 64 it does that. if only 32 it does that. there may be a boot option i dont know about to do 32 even if it detects 64. you'll need to look at the manual |
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| 19:56.13 | twostone | For storage, I use ZFS anyways, so I created a simple script, that allowas me to backup the automatically created (another script) snapshots, compare differences between snapshots, restore files or complete snapshots, etc. Bit of work initially, but works crossplatform on my FreeBSD boxes as well. |
| 19:56.19 | newlinux | missmbob: no what I mean was, Im looking for a .iso that provides both options so that you could choice before the installation itself. |
| 19:56.38 | jennifer | hi so I .. installed debian 8 onto a vm and when it asked for a root password, I just hit enter, etc. now I just finished and I'm at KDE, where I am trying to login root, and hit enter without a password but it says the password is incorrect, why is this? |
| 19:56.56 | twostone | Have to do something similar for BTRFS one of these days, but I'd have to start using that seriously, first. |
| 19:56.58 | sypher | jennifer: Because you didn't read. |
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| 19:57.22 | sypher | jennifer: It very clearly spells out that if you don't provide a root password, your user will be granted sudo rights as root and the root account will be essentially disabled for password login. |
| 19:57.35 | jennifer | sypher, you are correct, I didn't hehe |
| 19:57.48 | jennifer | I see, so user will have super powers then, thanks |
| 19:57.52 | jennifer | what else should I know? |
| 19:57.55 | twostone | that was quick... |
| 19:58.17 | sypher | jennifer: Why the actual ____ are you trying to log in to the GUI as root? |
| 19:58.44 | jennifer | sypher: I'm just looking to play around with debian, it doesn't matter what I do, since security isn't a concern, it's installed on top of a vm |
| 19:58.56 | ompaul | wrong |
| 19:59.05 | sypher | jennifer: Also: We're a curmudgeonly bunch, and we get a little testy when people don't read. The phrase "security isn't a concern" is pretty much universally incorrect. |
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| 19:59.43 | ompaul | security doesn't matter until something goes wrong and the bad user dives straight though your VM software into your actual machine |
| 19:59.53 | twostone | Sypher: nicely put. |
| 20:00.00 | jennifer | hm |
| 20:00.03 | ompaul | and - it - will - happen |
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| 20:00.16 | jennifer | nah it won't :) I'm going to delete this vm after a couple of hours |
| 20:00.19 | jennifer | thanks though |
| 20:01.00 | twostone | use an offline machine if you just want to do some damage. |
| 20:01.05 | ompaul | dunning kruger (99) in full flight here, roll up, roll up, watch the show |
| 20:01.08 | sypher | jennifer: Review the furnished materials in the future, and please, take security a little more seriously. Mindsets like that cause innumerable problems for people like me. |
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| 20:01.48 | sypher | Now, off to ponder dinner. |
| 20:01.50 | sypher | & |
| 20:02.00 | ompaul | jennifer: copy those lovely two words - paste into a search engine from outside your vm |
| 20:02.19 | twostone | He does have a way with words, doesn't he? Even I feel properly chastised, and I haven't done anything wrong.. |
| 20:02.43 | sypher | twostone: Me? |
| 20:02.45 | jennifer | shame, okay, thanks again |
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| 20:02.55 | twostone | syper: Yes, you. |
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| 20:03.08 | sypher | twostone: My previous job must be coming out again. |
| 20:03.21 | twostone | drill seargeant? |
| 20:03.40 | ompaul | sypher: your activism for the promotion of basic good practice is showing |
| 20:04.00 | sypher | twostone: Staff Sergeant, yes. Information security, no less. |
| 20:04.18 | twostone | alas, poor yorrik... |
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| 20:05.02 | sypher | ompaul: I really do mean well, I promise. :/ |
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| 20:05.12 | ompaul | confidentiality, integrity, availability |
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| 20:06.02 | newlinux | ok thank you :) |
| 20:06.03 | ompaul | maintain those three and you will have no problems |
| 20:06.37 | ompaul | sypher: people are stupid, computer users are people or botnets, therefore botnets are evil and people are still stupid |
| 20:06.53 | twostone | If it's available, it is not confidential. |
| 20:06.57 | ompaul | offers the classic - it will never happen to me line |
| 20:07.02 | sypher | twostone: Incorrect. |
| 20:07.04 | ompaul | twostone: no, |
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| 20:07.21 | ompaul | if it available to the people who need it is confidential |
| 20:07.33 | sypher | twostone: Availability is satisfied when the system can respond to legitimate requests from authorized users. |
| 20:07.35 | ompaul | if it is available to others it is not confidential |
| 20:08.07 | sypher | Oh god, I'm going back into my instructor dasy. |
| 20:08.12 | sypher | s/dasy/days/ |
| 20:08.15 | ompaul | hehe |
| 20:08.55 | twostone | sypher: Works both ways. If legitimate users can gain access to it, so can I. |
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| 20:09.06 | twostone | Thus, it is not confidential. |
| 20:09.14 | ompaul | twostone: that is a hell of a claim |
| 20:09.20 | sypher | twostone: And an incorrect one, again. |
| 20:09.27 | ompaul | defend it |
| 20:10.16 | twostone | Wait, are we still looking at strictly legal stuff here, or everyday business? |
| 20:11.06 | sypher | Both. Those three terms (confidentiality, integrity, availability) have accepted definitions throughout the information security domain. I believe they're also legally defined in this context. |
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| 20:12.26 | sypher | NIST FIPS 199, 44 USC Section 3542, and others. |
| 20:12.57 | ompaul | other jurisdictions are aware of them also |
| 20:12.59 | twostone | Well, I'm from a different departement, I've got different definitions. We might as well talk different languages here. |
| 20:13.20 | ompaul | so your vocabulary differs from everyone elses |
| 20:13.30 | sypher | twostone: Then, to be blunt, your department's "definitions" are inconsistent and incorrect. |
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| 20:15.18 | twostone | sypher: To you, this might seem true. To me, words are always vague. But that's beside the point. Any machine can be hacked, at that point, availability inevitably corrupts confidentiality. |
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| 20:17.10 | sypher | twostone: "Words are always vague" seems to be a pretty ridiculous cop-out in this discussion, given that organizations ranging from educational institutions to technology producers to nation-states have codified their consensus on what these terms mean; coopt them if you like, but expect the rest of us to respond with derision. |
| 20:17.16 | ompaul | twostone: the proliferation of targets doesn't deminish the requirement to keep things available to the people that need them when they need them. |
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| 20:18.35 | twostone | If you think long term, no security measures implemented have ever stood the test of time, where the data was not destroyed. Sometimes, even when it was. |
| 20:18.41 | ompaul | twostone: your comment about every system being compromisable does not stand all the time for all machines - unless you have timetravel and the loft kits from 3000CE which quantaum crack todays stuff ... |
| 20:18.47 | sypher | twostone: An information system does not exist for its own sake; to be of value to the business, it must be available to satisfy requests, the purpose for which it was created. Information security and assurance is about risk management, not risk elimination. |
| 20:18.56 | hubot | Hello! |
| 20:19.34 | twostone | sypher: Security is never without flaws, you just have to keep an open mind, never see your self or your machines as infallible. |
| 20:19.59 | twostone | That might be the essence of any my statements, and I suppose you can agree with that. |
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| 20:20.28 | hubot | I've question about working gdm on debian testing. |
| 20:21.23 | sypher | twostone: The essence of your statements was an attempt to dispute the definitions of terms that lies at the foundation of my professional practice. It's annoying, ill-founded, and flatly incorrect. How your department redefines things doesn't concern me, just please don't spread that misinformation elsewhere. |
| 20:21.31 | ompaul | nor your system - however you can practice good things and maybe be lucky enough - or not - but don't codify, practice and at least attempt to be a reasonable player and we have a mess beyond the scope and scale of my imagination which is rather good, I like to deal with multiple infinities in my games |
| 20:21.41 | sypher | hubot: Support for testing is provided in a different channel on a different server. Hold a sec. |
| 20:21.43 | sypher | !testing |
| 20:21.43 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <stretch>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting . Support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and ask me about <testing faq> <jessie->stretch> <testing security> <moving target> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You need a sound knowledge of Debian and be prepared for a very bumpy ride. Don't use it on things that are critical! |
| 20:21.59 | hubot | sypher: ok |
| 20:22.02 | twostone | I can also agree with your statements, I don't see much wrong with them, as long as you always keep a contingency plan handy. |
| 20:22.28 | ompaul | why contingency why isn't defence part of your core build |
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| 20:22.51 | twostone | sypher: Now that I may see as a rather personal insult. |
| 20:22.55 | ompaul | you have plan b by all means but don't label it contingency - label it proactive reactive |
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| 20:23.45 | ompaul | get there before they do - predict your own fall - move, slither, slide, redefine the target |
| 20:23.46 | twostone | ompaul: "Plan B" sums it up well enough. Things fail. Always. |
| 20:24.20 | sypher | twostone: Too bad. You're being given the opportunity to learn correct information. If this offends you, that's your problem. |
| 20:24.53 | ompaul | if all others have a 10' wall I will build a 15' wall, but not 100' I don't want to draw that much attention |
| 20:24.54 | sypher | Anyway, I'm going to set this aside before the gods of on-topic smite me. |
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| 20:25.22 | ompaul | sypher: I believe it is well past time for pondering food, and time to execute on that plan. |
| 20:25.32 | sypher | ompaul: Yeah, I think I'm getting hangry. |
| 20:25.51 | ompaul | goes for a syn ack ... |
| 20:26.02 | sypher | & |
| 20:26.36 | twostone | sypher: I think it was just the way that information was presented. You don't like the way I describe things, but I don't even talk your language. We're not neighbours, we havent played in the same sandbox, we don't inhabit the same goldfish bowl, yet I still have to bow to your way of seeing the world? That is a bit narrow minded, don't you think? |
| 20:27.01 | twostone | Why not work out a common consensus, a common language first so that understandig is possible? |
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| 20:27.22 | twostone | Just because we both speak english does not make it the same language. |
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| 20:27.57 | twostone | Only the words are similar. How we see them, what they mean for us, seems vastly different. |
| 20:28.26 | sypher | twostone: What kind of politically correct drivel is that? Your understanding of concepts is WRONG, and I'm not obliged to cater to it. Do some study, learn. |
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| 20:29.03 | sypher | twostone: I even gave you resources. The information, and consensus, already exists. Seek and ye shall find. |
| 20:30.00 | twostone | sypher: I'm not catering to the politically correct, I'm stating observations. You are using the language differently. Thus, we can have no understanding, there is no common ground. You do not bend. |
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| 20:44.39 | twostone | Thought as much. It IS a different language, although the words are similar. Their meaning is not. But we're off on a tangent that will get us nowhere, methinks. |
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| 20:47.24 | ompaul | twostone: I spent five years in corporate it sec - I deal with it in my job daily, I use the vocabulary he used exactly as he used. BTW the only difference here is when I say target I'm assuming my own corporate footprint. |
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| 20:47.58 | Aristar | anyone else with the new testing/stretch initramfs updates seen a loop on local-block until it gives up and proceeds as normal? (seems to refer to crypt mounts but i have no crypt devices) |
| 20:48.36 | Aristar | or perhaps zfs pools confuse it? |
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| 20:49.26 | twostone | aristar: ZFS does that sometimes on sid, seen that as well. Do a reset, It'll be gone. Till next time. |
| 20:50.54 | Aristar | twostone: hmm, never did it before on testing, i guess the sid initramfs packages got pushed to testing? and what do you mean exactly by a "reset"? I issued update-initramfs -c -t -k all |
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| 20:51.41 | xingu | if only there were some sort of universal symbolic language we could use that were entirely rule based with explicitly stated axioms |
| 20:51.43 | twostone | ompaul: Like I said, I work in a vastly different environment. I could argument from the legal point of view, which is only marginally the same as syphers, but still vastly differs from my professional environ. Or even from my personal observations. So I could speak three languages here, none have nothing in common except for the words. |
| 20:52.27 | twostone | aristar: cold boot. |
| 20:52.48 | Aristar | ah ic, yeah i haven't cold booted my xeons in months |
| 20:52.57 | ryouma | Aristar: i got something similar in jessie |
| 20:53.00 | Aristar | i'll try that, thanks |
| 20:53.46 | Aristar | and for what it's worth i'm using zfs rootfs with zfs-initramfs packages, which the initramfs scripts maybe aren't playing nicely with the updated packages |
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| 20:54.13 | ompaul | twostone: you'd have to provide a dictionary so we can work out what you mean, we think, that we are fairly exact in our use. |
| 20:54.16 | twostone | ZFS does not always work perfectly well on sid, in fact, it mostly does not because of broken dependencies or other, and is a bit of work. The boot loop seems a consistent problem, might be fixed in the future. Have to keep hopes up, or use stable. |
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| 20:54.57 | twostone | ompaul: There is no dictionary. Usually, you work out the differences in discussion, but that takes time, patience and tolerance. |
| 20:55.19 | Aristar | yeah i know of the various issues and race conditions, in fact the documentation/wikis for rootfs on debian need updating. having all necessary datasets under the bootfs dataset ensures everything gets mounted properly during initramfs |
| 20:55.50 | twostone | It is called "communication". You do it all the time, allthough mostly without explicit intent. |
| 20:56.05 | Aristar | (it sort of breaks solaris-type standards having more than root under pool/ROOT/blah but even fbsd doesn't follow that methodology) |
| 20:56.38 | Aristar | all sub-datasets like /var and such get their mountpoints inherited from the bootfs pool so they automatically get imported/mounted |
| 20:57.05 | Aristar | but if it's like rpool/var and not rpool/ROOT/var then it can mount too late |
| 20:57.35 | twostone | aristar: I'd stick to ext4 or similar for rootfs, due to the ongoing problems with ZFS, otherwise a moment of inattention might cause your system to be unbootable. Especially in unstable/testing/experimental. |
| 20:58.12 | Aristar | yeah i'm aware, i have snapshots and backups setup, as well as a custom grub rule to rollback to previous snapshot |
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| 20:59.27 | Aristar | (and a side note relating to that, having all sub-datasets like /var under rpool/ROOT/debian/ for example also allows isolating installs, and cloning the entire system for testing stuff on a new bootfs dataset) |
| 21:00.22 | Aristar | official guides are sort of wrong IMO but yeah i know testing/sid can change important scripts from initramfs and such |
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| 21:02.23 | twostone | ompaul: The problem with communication is, both parties must inevitably bend, otherwise it is just words they're throwing at each other, without ever transferring meaning. Words are just the framework to clothe your imagination in. If you're lucky, the other party's imagination deviates not much from your own, most words will have a similar meaning. It does not always happen, though. |
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| 21:04.40 | twostone | ompaul: I've seen that before, experienced it loads of times. Especially, while working with people with different nationalities. They use the same words I do, but it still isn't the same language. |
| 21:05.47 | ompaul | bend to a none defined position - that robs me of what little I have |
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| 21:07.12 | twostone | aristar: I've lost count of the times one of the dependencies failed on upgrade and zfs wouldn't load after a dist-upgrade. Hence I am of course reluctant to use it for boot. It is easier to fix, if the system still boots. |
| 21:07.18 | ompaul | I've brought and defined three terms to the table. You have a claim that they are refuted, but I see no evidence for that. |
| 21:07.42 | nbastin | So, I installed 8.7.1 via a serial console (modified the iso), but then of course when it boots it doesn't have that serial console info in the actual installation - is there some way to get this done before the installer reboots? |
| 21:08.40 | ompaul | debconf - preseed are two you could try |
| 21:08.50 | sypher | ompaul: Just give up. It's just nonsense. Been nonsense for a while. |
| 21:10.23 | jolt | STJÃRNA! |
| 21:10.30 | twostone | ompaul: If you don't mind, I'll move that to a private chat, since it is just slightly off-topic. sypher: You had valid points, I can understand a few of them, I just don't share them. You seem a bit too narrow-minded for my taste. |
| 21:11.19 | jolt | Sorry, wrong channel again. Beer and IRC don't mix |
| 21:11.28 | ompaul | twostone: well there is #debian-offtopic |
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| 21:12.10 | nbastin | I can write to the installed disk, can I fix this without being able to run grub? (I can just twiddle bits - it's fairly trivial to edit files this way, but not so much for running programs) |
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| 21:18.49 | Aristar | twostone: hmm, cold boot same thing. appears to be related to waiting for suspend/resume devices, then repeats running local-block... done. (about 10 times) before proceeding |
| 21:18.58 | Aristar | i'll have to dig into the scripts some more to see what changes |
| 21:19.14 | Aristar | changed* |
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| 21:24.36 | twostone | A cold boot usually does the trick for me. Unless physical adresses for vdevs changed? |
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| 21:25.16 | Aristar | well i'm not booted from zfs at the moment, booted from a USB of a nearly identical install |
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| 21:25.46 | Aristar | with ext4 |
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| 21:29.42 | Aristar | ah well i'll figure it out by diff'ing the previous package and seeing what changed and making a local override if necessary |
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| 21:31.40 | Aristar | was just wondering if anyone else had seen the same issue |
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| 21:34.40 | ompaul | does ical exist for both? |
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| 22:08.03 | newlinux_ | Hi I get bad archive mirror on Debian 8 jessie install. What should I do? |
| 22:08.15 | newlinux_ | I already tried different mirrors |
| 22:08.48 | yar1 | Can you ping for example google.com ? |
| 22:08.58 | newlinux_ | How can I do that? |
| 22:09.11 | yar1 | Type: ping google.com in the terminal :) |
| 22:09.17 | TomTomTo1 | paste the output of apt update to paste.debian.net, please. |
| 22:09.24 | newlinux_ | How do I bring the terminal up? |
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| 22:10.10 | yar1 | Ohh, did you install Debian 8 Jessie or do you get this Error DURING the install? |
| 22:10.23 | newlinux_ | I get this error during the install |
| 22:11.05 | yar1 | Oh Okay.. Then try to press CTRL+ALT+F3 or another F-Key. |
| 22:11.11 | yar1 | Then you should see a Commandline |
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| 22:12.48 | newlinux_ | ping: bad address google.com |
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| 22:13.15 | Brigo | newlinux_, you have a network problem |
| 22:13.22 | yar1 | Ah, okay.. There's the problem! What's the output of "ip a"? |
| 22:13.31 | twostone | try ip addr. Post output. |
| 22:13.57 | newlinux_ | ip a? |
| 22:14.12 | Brigo | newlinux_, yes, in that shell |
| 22:14.14 | yar1 | ip a is the same as ip addr, just in short and will output you the network information |
| 22:14.52 | newlinux_ | This has something to do with linux, because if I reboot now to windows the internet connection works perfect. |
| 22:15.22 | newlinux_ | give me 2 min I will write it down |
| 22:15.32 | Brigo | newlinux_, maybe, but we don't know what the problem is yet. |
| 22:15.58 | Brigo | newlinux_, can you try 'ping 8.8.8.8' too, please? |
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| 22:16.26 | twostone | I'm guessing, broadcom or realtek NICs... but yeah, try Brigo's ping first. |
| 22:16.42 | newlinux_ | ping 8.8.8.8 (8.8.8.8): 56 data bytes |
| 22:16.46 | newlinux_ | and nothing more |
| 22:17.12 | Brigo | newlinux_, press control+c |
| 22:17.25 | yar1 | Okay, then you probably doesn't have a working network connection and that's the problem. Are you connected via W-LAN or Ethernet? |
| 22:17.36 | Brigo | newlinux_, how are you connected? wifi? |
| 22:17.44 | Brigo | yar1, :) |
| 22:17.49 | newlinux_ | yar1: cable without any firewall or so |
| 22:17.57 | newlinux_ | cable direct to modem |
| 22:18.02 | yar1 | Okay, that's good |
| 22:18.22 | newlinux_ | so you dont want the ip a output from me? |
| 22:18.33 | yar1 | maybe just a simple "systemctl restart networking" will assign you an ip address... |
| 22:18.52 | yar1 | You don't really need to write the whole output down. Just look there if an ip address got assigned to you |
| 22:18.54 | Brigo | or rebooting |
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| 22:19.14 | Brigo | newlinux_, any problem during the network configuration in the installation process? |
| 22:19.24 | newlinux_ | Brigo: no |
| 22:19.48 | newlinux_ | should I try "systemctl restart networking"? |
| 22:20.00 | Brigo | newlinux_, yes. |
| 22:20.11 | Brigo | you have nothing to lose :) |
| 22:20.20 | yar1 | Yup, that sometimes solves a lot of networking problems, at least from my experience :D |
| 22:20.27 | newlinux_ | "/bin/sh: systemctl: not found" |
| 22:20.36 | yar1 | then try service networking restart |
| 22:21.05 | newlinux_ | "/bin/sh: service: not found" |
| 22:21.11 | Brigo | that's weird. |
| 22:21.18 | yar1 | o.O I don't think that's normal behaviour :D |
| 22:21.23 | Brigo | the base system is not installed |
| 22:21.23 | yar1 | Try restarting then |
| 22:21.24 | twostone | is not. Still in install. |
| 22:21.37 | newlinux_ | netinstall btw |
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| 22:21.40 | Brigo | first install the base system then use the network |
| 22:22.01 | twostone | So, is your modem a real modem or in fact a router? |
| 22:22.26 | newlinux_ | twostone: whats the different? |
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| 22:23.58 | newlinux_ | I think I got realtek btw |
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| 22:25.18 | twostone | A modem will not provide you with an IP adress. It will depend on an other machine to initiate the connection to your ISP, and that connection can only be shared by the initiatior, wheres the router is both: The link to your provider, initiator of said connection and a distribution point. If your "modem" has more than one ethernet port, it is a router. |
| 22:26.14 | newlinux_ | twostone: yea there is more then one ethernet ports, you can have more then one cable connected to it. |
| 22:27.15 | twostone | It is a router then. It also serves as WiFi access point, does it not? That is usually a dead giveaway, a modem cannot do that. |
| 22:27.57 | newlinux_ | twostone: No it dont serve any wifi. |
| 22:28.17 | newlinux_ | twostone: only cable |
| 22:28.24 | twostone | Does it have its own IP adress? |
| 22:28.50 | newlinux_ | twostone: yes I think so, but I have no dedicated IP address from the internet provider. |
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| 22:29.40 | newlinux_ | twostone: like I said, I got no problem with windows 10. |
| 22:30.08 | twostone | hardly matters. So, you may need a different netinstall, one with non-free kernel modules integrated. |
| 22:30.08 | Brigo | newlinux_, that could be because you have a 'driver' |
| 22:30.18 | Brigo | i know of one |
| 22:30.27 | Brigo | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
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| 22:31.24 | twostone | I bow to your google-fu... |
| 22:32.00 | newlinux_ | Brigo: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.7.1+nonfree/amd64/iso-cd/ <- this one? |
| 22:32.20 | Brigo | newlinux_, if your computer is an amd64, yes. |
| 22:32.58 | Brigo | twostone, are you sure that non-free can solve this problem? |
| 22:33.08 | twostone | sounds like. |
| 22:33.31 | twostone | We haven't done all test we could, but yes, I am confident. |
| 22:33.44 | newlinux_ | twostone: What more test can we do? |
| 22:33.50 | yar1 | Just to be sure... You already tried rebooting? |
| 22:34.04 | newlinux_ | yar1: Can I rebooting during install? |
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| 22:34.18 | twostone | sure you can. |
| 22:34.26 | Brigo | XD |
| 22:34.27 | TomTomTo1 | the ip a output would be neat. |
| 22:34.28 | Brigo | you can try |
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| 22:34.51 | newlinux_ | twostone: I use LVM encrypted disk, But that should not matter? |
| 22:35.33 | yar1 | Of course you can reboot during the install :D but as TomTomTo1 said, the ip a output could help, too.. If it's too much typing just imgur :D |
| 22:36.44 | twostone | nwelinux: it should not interfer with your network connection. But then again, Trump became president, so there you have it. |
| 22:36.59 | newlinux_ | Im in UEFI installer menu now, How do I continue the install now? |
| 22:37.14 | twostone | you don't. just restart installation. |
| 22:37.21 | newlinux_ | Graphical install again? |
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| 22:37.50 | twostone | sure, if that's... |
| 22:37.52 | newlinux_ | I boot from the USB and got the Installer menu |
| 22:38.15 | yar1 | It doesn't matter, I prefer the "text" install, but... not such a big difference from graphical to text, just more fancy :D |
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| 22:39.12 | twostone | graphical won't work over RS232... beside the point. |
| 22:39.43 | newlinux_ | it ask me for root password again |
| 22:39.56 | newlinux_ | is this really the way to continue the install? |
| 22:40.05 | yar1 | You are not continuing it |
| 22:40.13 | yar1 | just start over again |
| 22:40.43 | TomTomTo1 | you can skip steps in expert mode but you should know what you are doing there. |
| 22:40.48 | twostone | There's hardly a way to continue. You reboot, you start again. |
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| 22:42.06 | twostone | yeah, like that. fits. |
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| 22:44.27 | newlinux_ | Last time I installed debian on this machine, I used the same netinstall. |
| 22:44.36 | Lugal1 | what compiler was used to compile Debian? and could Debian be faster if it was made with another compiler? |
| 22:44.55 | newlinux_ | I got the internet connection to work after reboot the system. Because I first got problem with it. |
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| 22:45.27 | Brigo | newlinux_, then you are good to go :) |
| 22:45.31 | yar1 | So it works now? :) |
| 22:45.34 | newlinux_ | no |
| 22:45.38 | Brigo | Lugal1, maybe if you know what you are doing. |
| 22:45.50 | newlinux_ | Last time I installed debian. Not this time. |
| 22:45.56 | yar1 | Oh okay^^ |
| 22:46.03 | Brigo | Lugal1, try first compiling just the kernel and with some benchmarks. |
| 22:46.08 | twostone | mayhap you try the non-free netinstall. |
| 22:46.25 | newlinux_ | twostone: That provides the realtek ethernet drivers? |
| 22:46.27 | Brigo | twostone, why? it is already working. |
| 22:46.55 | Brigo | newlinux_, most likely if the free ones don't. |
| 22:46.56 | twostone | Brigo: is it really? |
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| 22:47.13 | Brigo | twostone, ah, ok, i get it wrong. |
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| 22:48.36 | Lugal1 | was Debian compiled with GCC like the other distros? |
| 22:48.52 | newlinux_ | includes non-free firmware for extra support for some awkward hardware. |
| 22:48.54 | newlinux_ | lol |
| 22:49.26 | newlinux_ | "awkward hardware" because the official one doesnt include drivers for new computers |
| 22:49.46 | newlinux_ | sounds cool |
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| 22:50.12 | twostone | You may boot to win10, have a look at your ip adress there, but if you don't have to manually initiate a connection to your ISP, you'll have a router. Since you're unable to ping 8.8.8.8, it means you have problems with your network. Most times, it is debian and the non-free firmware policy. |
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| 22:51.27 | newlinux_ | twostone: What will my ip adress do? |
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| 22:52.31 | twostone | hopefully go fetch me another coffee. It might also give us confirmation, that you're using a router instead of a modem, but that is almost a given. |
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| 22:53.12 | newlinux_ | now the mirrors works |
| 22:53.17 | newlinux_ | after reboot ofc |
| 22:53.28 | twostone | slow DHCP? |
| 22:53.41 | yar1 | Hah! The magic-fix-reboot again! |
| 22:53.55 | newlinux_ | twostone: What do you mean with slow DHCP? |
| 22:53.58 | alekz | haha |
| 22:54.35 | yar1 | DHCP is the protocol which automatically assigns the devices in your network an IP address |
| 22:54.52 | newlinux_ | All I can say I never got any problem with win10 :) It works very fast! |
| 22:55.02 | twostone | assumption: Your DHCP (router) failed to provide in answer in time because it still had a configured, active lease for that MAC. |
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| 22:55.35 | newlinux_ | twostone: I dont think so, we have modern router installed here. |
| 22:55.37 | twostone | Thus, you effectively had no network. |
| 22:56.23 | newlinux_ | twostone: If I went to windows 10 or OSX, I would. |
| 22:56.47 | twostone | I also got a fairly modern box off of my ISP, but it still cannot do static mappings reliably. Most of the time, it is still a role of the dice, regardless of the configuration. |
| 22:57.09 | twostone | modern does not equal good, or even working. |
| 22:57.25 | newlinux_ | twostone: So why I never get any problem during windows 10 install then? |
| 22:57.39 | twostone | roll of the dice, not role. Damn, it's late. |
| 22:57.55 | alekz | lol |
| 22:58.01 | newlinux_ | twostone: and _every time_ I install debian, I got the same error. |
| 22:58.03 | twostone | newlinux: Used a win10 netinstall iso? doubt it. |
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| 22:58.34 | TomTomTo1 | how should we know? not like you provided any information, twostone has been guessing all this time. |
| 22:59.27 | newlinux_ | twostone: Actually once I was lucky and get debian mirrors to work. |
| 22:59.42 | newlinux_ | With no reboot |
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| 23:00.02 | twostone | Were you in windows, right before you rebooted and started the install? |
| 23:00.43 | newlinux_ | twostone: Are you talking about this install? |
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| 23:02.00 | twostone | There I go with the guessing again, but... I once had a similar problem dual booting, where I assigned different MAC adresses to a bond interface. Switch always locked me out, if I did not wait long enough for its MAC cache to empty. |
| 23:02.39 | twostone | Ah, nevermind. If it works, all the better. |
| 23:02.53 | twostone | Sometimes, it just is. No reason. |
| 23:03.10 | twostone | Time for me to hit the pillow. |
| 23:03.19 | twostone | good night everyone. |
| 23:03.24 | alekz | have a good one twostone |
| 23:04.48 | newlinux_ | So do I really need the non-free netinstall? Or would I working better with me system? |
| 23:04.51 | newlinux_ | my ys |
| 23:04.52 | newlinux_ | ss |
| 23:04.54 | newlinux_ | system |
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| 23:05.57 | TomTomTo1 | you don't need it if your network card works without. |
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| 23:34.23 | yar1 | What are you using for a Desktop Environment (IF you use on! :D) |
| 23:41.20 | bazhang | yar1, need help installing, or just polling the entire channel |
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| 23:43.03 | yar1 | I'm just curious what is used.. |
| 23:43.21 | sypher | !polls |
| 23:43.21 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
| 23:43.39 | bazhang | yar1, #debian-offtopic for polls |
| 23:43.55 | yar1 | Ups, I'm sorry! |
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| 23:57.41 | p000000000 | anyone know whats holding up the release of Stretch? |
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