| 00:00.18 | phogg | xthree: That appears to be supported. You can generally put the component name+model into google and add the term "Linux" to get an idea of whether there is support and what it takes. |
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| 00:02.02 | phogg | Fasort: Do you want the screen to never turn off? |
| 00:02.21 | Fasort | phogg, I want the screen to turn off on idle |
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| 00:04.19 | n-iCe | ok |
| 00:04.24 | n-iCe | should I install testing now? |
| 00:04.32 | n-iCe | since the new release is coming? |
| 00:04.49 | phogg | Fasort: Maybe your monitor doesn't support turning off. Try putting your 120 into the middle field and see what happens. |
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| 00:05.21 | phogg | Fasort: Or, maybe something makes X think there is activity. |
| 00:05.41 | ILikeUnity7_ | I would like to talk about switching to Debian. |
| 00:06.03 | phogg | My favorite subject. |
| 00:06.20 | abrotman | n-iCe: perhaps you mean stretch, not testing? |
| 00:06.31 | n-iCe | maybe abff |
| 00:06.33 | n-iCe | abrotman, |
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| 00:06.48 | Fasort | phogg, it does turn off but sometimes it doesnt then I have to reboot or re login :( |
| 00:07.05 | ILikeUnity7_ | How stable is Debian Testing? Also, how recent is the software? |
| 00:07.28 | alekz | ILikeUnity7_: it's about to get stable |
| 00:09.57 | abff | n-iCe sup? |
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| 00:10.54 | alekz | ILikeUnity7: you may find this intersting: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2017/02/msg00001.html |
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| 00:12.38 | ILikeUnity7 | Ok... But how stable is Testing generally? |
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| 00:13.25 | abff | very |
| 00:13.44 | ILikeUnity7 | Very stable? Also, what about recent packages? |
| 00:13.56 | abff | depends on the maintainer |
| 00:14.15 | abff | I see a few people complain about "why isn't this package in unstable yet" whine whine |
| 00:14.17 | abff | but not often |
| 00:15.02 | ILikeUnity7 | What Linux kernel version is currently being used in Testing? |
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| 00:15.11 | alekz | I'm using the RC3, and there's been few dependency fights |
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| 00:18.17 | *** topic/#debian is Debian Stretch frozen 2017-02-05; /msg dpkg stretch freeze | Unwanted private messages? /umode +R | point release 8.7 of Debian Jessie released! /msg dpkg jessie ; /msg dpkg 8.7; /msg dpkg wheezy->jessie ; /msg dpkg install jessie | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | testing/unstable: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) | chanlogs: /msg dpkg irclog |
| 00:18.19 | abrotman | dpkg: slushy |
| 00:18.19 | dpkg | When a <testing> release becomes frozen, <unstable> tends to partially freeze as well. This is because developers are reluctant to upload radically new software to unstable, in case the frozen software in testing needs minor updates and to fix release critical bugs which keep testing from becoming <stable>. |
| 00:18.20 | abff | abrotman I didn't think of that, but you can just hold off updating everything for a month or so before it stabilizses |
| 00:18.39 | abrotman | abff: which may or may not work. You can't time everything |
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| 00:19.16 | abff | abrotman best foot forward |
| 00:20.13 | abrotman | More or less, you sohuldn't recommend anyone else run Unstable |
| 00:20.16 | abff | ILikeUnity7 the trade off for bleeding edge will always be instability. Debian's unstable is really not that "unstable" but it can be. If you want current binaries you will probably want to be compiling them yourself |
| 00:20.23 | ILikeUnity7 | Is it possible to easily use current versions of all software in testing? |
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| 00:20.58 | abrotman | ILikeUnity7: you mean without security patches? |
| 00:22.08 | ILikeUnity7 | I mean with ALL updates currently available |
| 00:22.31 | ILikeUnity7 | For example, the latest LibreOffice, GNOME, Linux etc. |
| 00:22.44 | abrotman | ILikeUnity7: you want to upgrade Testing? |
| 00:23.01 | ILikeUnity7 | I use Ubuntu, but I'm thinking about switching to Debian |
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| 00:24.10 | abrotman | ILikeUnity7: I'd recommend waiting until Stretch releases, then trying that in a VM to see if it suits your needs |
| 00:24.35 | ILikeUnity7 | I like using VMs. Also, should Linux Mint be a possibility? |
| 00:24.47 | Fasort | Mint |
| 00:24.49 | Fasort | I like mint |
| 00:24.57 | Fasort | I mean the mint we taste not the mint distro |
| 00:25.02 | ILikeUnity7 | Oh... |
| 00:25.10 | ILikeUnity7 | (thumbs down) |
| 00:25.33 | Fasort | nice name thou. linux mint.. |
| 00:25.34 | alekz | ILikeUnity7: it all depend of your needs |
| 00:25.36 | ILikeUnity7 | What about fedora |
| 00:25.57 | Fasort | idk about fedora. it doesnt sound foodish to me. so I dont really care for it |
| 00:26.06 | Fasort | debian is good because it has tons of packages |
| 00:26.16 | abrotman | ILikeUnity7: this channel is about Debian .. if you want to ask about all the distros, maybe ask ##linux |
| 00:26.23 | bazhang | ILikeUnity7, why not distro shop in ##linux |
| 00:26.31 | bazhang | whoops |
| 00:27.04 | ILikeUnity7 | Ok, I'll go there. |
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| 00:32.41 | newlinux | Hi, Should I use [arch=amd64] in sources.list if Im using amd64. Or could I also use the normal deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ jessie main contrib? |
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| 00:33.02 | abrotman | newlinux: you mean in yur apt.conf? |
| 00:33.09 | newlinux | no in sources.list |
| 00:33.41 | abrotman | you don't have to if you're only using one architecture AIUI |
| 00:33.53 | xthree | does debian still use 3.16 as the default |
| 00:34.04 | newlinux | Should I use deb [arch=amd64] http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ jessie main contrib or deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ jessie main contrib , for example? |
| 00:34.26 | newlinux | abrotman: How do I know? |
| 00:35.02 | abrotman | you'd probably know |
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| 00:36.39 | newlinux | abrotman: I installed debian-8.7.1-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso, thats what I know. |
| 00:36.58 | TomTomTosch | you don't need it. |
| 00:37.00 | newlinux | abrotman: So how do I know if I need the [arch=amd64] in sources list or not? |
| 00:37.13 | newlinux | TomTomTosch: Okay thank you. May I ask how you know? |
| 00:37.28 | TomTomTosch | because it's only relevant in a multiarch setup. |
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| 00:37.47 | TomTomTosch | and then also not neccessary. |
| 00:37.54 | newlinux | ok thank you |
| 00:37.57 | newlinux | :) |
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| 01:54.59 | JMichaelX | if there is anyone here using fglrx in debian stable, please tell me your feelings about it. i am wondering whether or not it would be worthwhile to give it a try |
| 01:55.12 | anotherus3r | Hi How do I know if I have firewall enabled on my machine? I use debian jessie |
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| 01:56.01 | missmbob | JMichaelX: it's incompatible with gnome in debian stable and removed in testing |
| 01:56.30 | JMichaelX | missmbob: yes. i was going to give it a try with LXDE or XFCE |
| 01:57.07 | missmbob | anotherus3r: default is no firewall. so unless you enabled one you dont have one |
| 01:57.33 | anotherus3r | missmbob: How do I check? |
| 01:58.30 | missmbob | anotherus3r: see if iptables -L lists rules |
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| 02:06.46 | kion | I am just about to update jessie to stretch, but on my sources.list I have jessie-backports, should I rename them to stretch-backports, is there such a thing? or should I just coment them out? |
| 02:07.06 | transhuman_ | hi having no luck with dd and an ISO and a USB drive is there any USB creator for debian linke usb-creator-gtk as a second method? |
| 02:07.19 | transhuman_ | s/linke /like |
| 02:07.58 | missmbob | kion: you can change it to stretch-backports. there's nothing in there yet but it'll be ready when there is |
| 02:07.59 | dvs | transhuman_, dd should work. |
| 02:08.16 | missmbob | transhuman_: or cp. cp foo.iso /dev/sdX |
| 02:08.17 | transhuman_ | the command I tried using was dd if=distro.iso of=/dev/sdd bs=512 no luck |
| 02:08.21 | transhuman_ | ok |
| 02:08.55 | missmbob | transhuman_: cp is harder to mess up. try that |
| 02:09.11 | dvs | missmbob, you didn't sync!!!! |
| 02:09.24 | kion | missmbob, I am running the backports kernel 4.7, will it automaticly update to 4.9? or will this be a problem/ |
| 02:09.25 | missmbob | slaps dvs |
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| 02:09.55 | missmbob | kion: it should if you installed linux-image-amd64 and not some specific version directly |
| 02:10.30 | kion | missmbob, ok cool, i think I did it from apt... :) |
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| 02:15.01 | JMichaelX | guesses that few sane people use fglrx anymore |
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| 02:19.04 | anotherus3r | Do I really need a DHCP client? It creates problems with my internet connection when I run the OpenVPN. /etc/resolv.conf keeps resetting itself. The machine has not rebooted |
| 02:20.24 | missmbob | anotherus3r: you could set immutable bit on resolv.conf so it cannot be altered |
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| 03:06.48 | lux_ | Wow finally I get my Deb box connected to the internet. Winmodems suck |
| 03:08.05 | lux_ | I had this ZOOM modem using connectant(sp) drivers and nothing would work. I broke down, bought a hardware PCIe modem and... |
| 03:08.09 | lux_ | NO CARRIER :D |
| 03:18.56 | plasmoduck | modem? |
| 03:19.06 | plasmoduck | people still use dialup? |
| 03:19.13 | lux_ | its great |
| 03:19.23 | lux_ | better then spotty stolen wifi ;) |
| 03:19.41 | qman__ | the irony is you're probably dailing up over VoIP hardware somewhere along the line |
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| 03:19.56 | plasmoduck | how do you like with 5kb/s download speeds? |
| 03:19.59 | lux_ | yeah I bet tho its a real land line |
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| 03:20.16 | lux_ | takes only 1 week to download a movie =P |
| 03:20.20 | plasmoduck | live |
| 03:22.54 | lux_ | Setting it up as a webserver. Don't worry large files will be stored at the ISP personal web space :D !! |
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| 03:23.51 | epsilon | Dial-up sound 700% slower https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF2v32xCD0Y |
| 03:24.37 | lux_ | for such an expensive modem it sure has a horrible sound while connecting |
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| 03:27.19 | userro | I'm currently on 5kb/s speed |
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| 03:27.20 | userro | rip |
| 03:27.37 | lux_ | its fine if you know how to use it |
| 03:28.03 | userro | I'm on 2g xD |
| 03:28.14 | lux_ | ie no streaming youtube or using a search engine that starts with G |
| 03:28.32 | userro | my wifi broke |
| 03:28.37 | Sir_Designer | lux_ you can google fine in lynx |
| 03:28.41 | lux_ | my wifi is stolen |
| 03:28.47 | lux_ | use startpage.com |
| 03:28.52 | Sir_Designer | over dialup |
| 03:28.55 | lux_ | much quicker |
| 03:29.23 | lux_ | lynx is sweet |
| 03:29.44 | lux_ | I mostly BBS because thats fast as can be |
| 03:32.02 | epsilon | wat < |
| 03:32.53 | epsilon | BBS? sure you are not using a time tunnel something and talk to us from past? |
| 03:34.26 | lux_ | its Apr 1997 right guys? |
| 03:34.34 | userro | Are you John Titor? :p |
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| 03:35.00 | lux_ | BBS is alive and well folks |
| 03:35.03 | missmbob | !chat |
| 03:35.03 | dpkg | This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net. |
| 03:35.13 | lux_ | right sorry. |
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| 03:43.51 | thereyougo | if I login remotely to debian, how to find out what debian version is it ? cat /etc/motd ? cat /dev/version ? anything else ? |
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| 03:44.31 | missmbob | thereyougo: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 03:45.05 | missmbob | lsb_release -a |
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| 04:04.29 | RustyJ | why does debian 8.7 come with such an old kernel? |
| 04:05.32 | missmbob | RustyJ: it was frozen in 2014-11-05 |
| 04:05.54 | RustyJ | frozen? please explain |
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| 04:06.40 | RustyJ | i'm not trolling i seriously wonder why such an old kernel is being used. |
| 04:06.40 | missmbob | RustyJ: before release it gets frozen, meaning no new packages get in. this is to make things stable/fix bugs before release |
| 04:06.50 | RustyJ | ahhhhh |
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| 04:07.12 | missmbob | RustyJ: there is 4.9 kernel is jessie-backports if you need it |
| 04:07.46 | RustyJ | i actually do need it and it is installed. |
| 04:08.01 | RustyJ | thanks.... so the kernel was from 8.0? |
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| 04:08.30 | user334743 | I read on the debian installation tutorial page that it is good use encryption on the swap and /tmp partitions but whenever I am trying to make a random key partition for /tmp the partition appears as another swap. What could I be doing wrong? |
| 04:08.41 | missmbob | RustyJ: yes. but with security patches added to it |
| 04:09.10 | RustyJ | gotcha! missmbob, thanks for your quick sensible answers |
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| 04:29.20 | user334743 | Ok, I found this https://www.mail-archive.com/debian-boot@lists.debian.org/msg107163.html |
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| 04:49.21 | buu | I've got a weird issue, when I reboot I get to the grub screen but I need to edit the boot options but neither e nor c do anything on the grub menu |
| 04:49.27 | buu | I can use the arrow keys but not any of the letter keys |
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| 04:55.14 | dez | Hi. I tried to do the manual part via root in recovery mode in this https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#configure |
| 04:55.25 | dez | and now debian boots but without a gui |
| 04:55.36 | dez | nvidia is a quadro |
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| 05:02.38 | alekz | dez: there's a lot of missing information in order to get help |
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| 05:05.00 | nickgaw | Hi, I am trying to find out either how to download a 650 meg debian-installer disc for testing rc3 and use the firmware I either put on an usb stick or use debian-cd on my existing sid and experimental system to build a 650 meg disc that also has non-free firmware included in it like the net installation does what is the best option and could I do the debian-cd method? |
| 05:06.48 | missmbob | !firmware iso |
| 05:06.49 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
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| 05:07.24 | missmbob | here are the ones for stretch rc3 http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/stretch_di_rc3/ |
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| 05:07.44 | acresearch | people, there might be an issue with VPN in debian. can someone help me identify the issue? |
| 05:08.22 | nickgaw | I know about those I would like a disc that has more then just the base system on it and a small selection of packages do they not make testing 650 meg discs anymore as looking on cdimage I can not find them? |
| 05:09.56 | missmbob | just xfce one *without* firmware http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/stretch_di_rc3/amd64/iso-cd/debian-stretch-DI-rc3-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso |
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| 05:11.25 | nickgaw | That is strange as normally they have other discs around so is there no way to build my own? |
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| 05:12.09 | missmbob | they'll make others once it's released. just not for rc's. https://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD |
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| 05:13.02 | themill | Last I heard there were no plans to make additional CDs any more |
| 05:19.47 | acresearch | what is the difference between debian and ubuntu in VPN connectivity? vpn seems to work better in ubuntu than debian, why? |
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| 05:22.00 | dez | i have used multiple vpns in debian and ubuntu and it seems the same |
| 05:22.06 | dez | ubuntu is easier to config though |
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| 05:31.55 | nickgaw | The simple-cdd might be what I am looking for but not sure if the package allows the boot options to be selected or not during the installation process as I am trying to build a 650 meg disc that automatically starts software speech in low priority mode on amd64 and also includes the non-free firmware that is included on testing unofficial disc is this possible or do I need to use the full debian-cdd method for this process? |
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| 05:47.50 | giusboh | Hi all; using jessie 8.x; journalctl -b | grep error gives a bunch of errors like debian org.gtk.Private.UDisks2VolumeMonitor[5220]: index_parse.c:191: indx_parse(): error opening /media/giuseppe/hdd-dati/googledrive/BDMV/BACKUP/index.bdmv. any help will be greatly aprreciated. |
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| 06:15.46 | linux-beginner-2 | Since today I get this message about "suspend/resume" device using stretch in VBox. Used stretch since months without problems. This above makes my boot process about 2 minutes longer: |
| 06:15.47 | linux-beginner-2 | https://snag.gy/VOcliW.jpg |
| 06:15.54 | linux-beginner-2 | any idead about this? |
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| 06:16.20 | linux-beginner-2 | Message is "Gave up waiting for suspend/resume device" |
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| 06:27.12 | no_gravity | Good Morning |
| 06:27.14 | no_gravity | I would like to test a file in the Microsoft Excel viewer. What would be a quick way to do that? Instal Wine in a VM and then run the Excel viewer in it? |
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| 06:54.14 | buu | Can someone suggest a reason why a pcie card would generate "surprise down" errors on debian unstable but not debian stable? |
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| 07:00.56 | evilman_work | buu: different kernel versions and the different driver versions. |
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| 07:17.13 | buu | evilman_work: Boy. That's annoying. |
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| 07:19.23 | evilman_work | buu: can you paste some info about these errors? dmesg output, ethtool -S output. |
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| 07:20.17 | buu | sure |
| 07:21.05 | buu | well, maybe |
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| 07:22.38 | evilman_work | buu: what NIC do you use? show 'lspci -vvvk' output of this network card. also 'ethtool -i <iface>' will be helpful. |
| 07:22.38 | buu | hmm, new problem |
| 07:22.50 | buu | Why is my mellanox card showing in ifconfig as (UNSPEC) |
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| 07:23.23 | thereyougo | missmbob: thanks |
| 07:23.59 | buu | http://paste.debian.net/927999/ |
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| 07:24.35 | Azrael_- | hi |
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| 07:27.39 | evilman_work | busch: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=187781 |
| 07:27.47 | evilman_work | buu: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=187781 |
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| 07:30.54 | evilman_work | buu: workaround: build and install vanilla kernel. send the bug report to kernel package maintainers of debian. |
| 07:31.16 | holycow | hi all. i need to tell debian to not grab a controller on boot so that it is available to be assigned to a kvm guest |
| 07:31.35 | holycow | anyone know how this is done? i'm not googling the specific detail amongst the forrest of kvm posts |
| 07:32.04 | holycow | xen has a specific boot command for this ... how doe sdebian handle it? |
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| 07:32.11 | dutchfish | holycow, if the controller is a kernelmodule, you could blacklist it. |
| 07:32.44 | dutchfish | holycow, that way the host won't load it |
| 07:32.48 | holycow | well, lets say it is a generic usb controller (third part) and i want the device to not be hooked by the host os by device id? |
| 07:33.03 | holycow | if i blacklist the generic usb drivers no usb controllers will work |
| 07:34.20 | dutchfish | holycow, its possible to blacklist a usb device, look at udev rules and how to implement them for your needs |
| 07:34.32 | holycow | hmmm k. |
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| 07:34.52 | dutchfish | holycow, it depends largely on how your particular usb device operates |
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| 07:35.29 | holycow | i could have sworn i read somewhere that i just add the pcid for the device to some boot parameter to ignore it, but everything is getting blurry, i've read so much |
| 07:35.46 | dutchfish | holycow, a better way is to go through iommu, but only the latest kernels have sufficient support for this |
| 07:36.07 | holycow | kernel 4.1 or greater i presume? |
| 07:36.20 | dutchfish | holycow, more like 4.9 and later |
| 07:36.26 | holycow | holy crap |
| 07:36.28 | holycow | k. |
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| 07:37.02 | dutchfish | holycow, maybe now is a good time to setup a debian testing system (as i did), for testing those new things |
| 07:37.19 | dutchfish | holycow, running xen and kvm myself |
| 07:37.36 | holycow | yeah, esxi but started using xen |
| 07:37.38 | buu | evilman_work: is the problem I need a newer version of the kernel? |
| 07:37.50 | holycow | xenserver is fine but its prickly. i just discovered kvm and it is very very very straight forward |
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| 07:38.08 | holycow | i cannot for the life of me tell the host os to let go of this controller so i can share it with a guest. |
| 07:38.13 | holycow | dutchfish: great nick btw |
| 07:38.21 | evilman_work | buu: yep. |
| 07:38.22 | holycow | dutchfish: what do you preffer? kvm or xen? |
| 07:38.23 | dutchfish | holycow, both have there nice features, but i am not in to discuss that in here. |
| 07:38.33 | holycow | fair enough |
| 07:39.00 | Hitec-User | Hello! |
| 07:39.11 | buu | evilman_work: ok thanks |
| 07:39.12 | dutchfish | holycow, also take a peak at containers in those newer kernels |
| 07:39.20 | evilman_work | buu: you're welcome |
| 07:39.43 | dutchfish | holycow, gl |
| 07:40.16 | Hitec-User | I want to know what channel I do use to have help to root Cubot X12 (MT6735) with debian PC? |
| 07:40.22 | Hitec-User | please |
| 07:40.44 | holycow | dutchfish: worth it i guess? k. i started reading about that recently. i had no idea development had been going on for 5+ years on those features |
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| 07:42.03 | holycow | Hitec-User: oh you re going to have to google those groups first. there is sda-developers.com that deal with just that sort of thing, however, chances re they are not working on your device |
| 07:42.16 | holycow | either way start there and google. once you find the group working on that, they usually have an irc chan. |
| 07:42.19 | holycow | best i can do |
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| 07:45.30 | Hitec-User | Thanks holycow. I go on sda-developers.com. Have a nice day. |
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| 07:49.36 | dutchfish | holycow, bookmark this one for later: https://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Pci_passthrough |
| 07:50.44 | holycow | added to my todo, have not read that yet |
| 07:51.13 | holycow | thank you kindly |
| 07:51.23 | dutchfish | holycow, yw |
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| 07:55.42 | dutchfish | holycow, and a cute intro for usb https://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/USB_physical_port_mapping |
| 07:56.14 | holycow | oh, that looks super userful |
| 07:58.04 | dutchfish | holycow, just for the record, i am not using proxmox, but debian/testing. |
| 07:58.40 | holycow | i would preffer to use debian as well. kvm seems very well thought out and non intrusive |
| 07:59.02 | dutchfish | holycow, affermative. |
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| 08:00.16 | dutchfish | holycow, but latest xen do have iommu support as well, and xen is still the performance winner |
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| 08:00.55 | dutchfish | holycow, it all depends on your needs |
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| 08:01.29 | holycow | i was running xenserver 7.whatever for teseting purposes. it seems quite nice. as a tier 1 (level 1, whatever) hypervisor it really constrains the dom0 side of things |
| 08:01.35 | holycow | great for hosting companies |
| 08:02.08 | dutchfish | holycow, and if you are expirimenting with AI ;) |
| 08:02.22 | holycow | heh, is that what you do? |
| 08:02.29 | dutchfish | holycow, yes |
| 08:02.47 | holycow | neat. there have been a lot of things open sourced over the last year or so |
| 08:02.48 | holycow | or two |
| 08:03.06 | dutchfish | holycow, also running it on small clusters of debian, thats a different way of process separation |
| 08:04.20 | dutchfish | holycow, join #debian-offtopic for more. It is going to much offtopic, this is a debian support channel after all. |
| 08:04.30 | holycow | oh, had no idea that existed |
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| 08:14.12 | buu | Is make menuconfig still the standard way of starting a kernel? |
| 08:14.20 | buu | is there a defaults/debian defaults quick way |
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| 08:27.15 | user2 | is it possible to set the colors on the run level 3 console (not just bg/fg but full color scheme e.g. solarized)? |
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| 08:40.19 | jpw | is it possible using strace or something similar to determine what environment variables a piece of software is attempting to read from / write to? |
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| 08:41.51 | Brigo | jpw, yes, strace should do that |
| 08:43.03 | jpw | the problem is that strictly speaking getenv isn't a system call. so i was wondering if it wasn't picking it up or if the software wasn't trying to access any envvars. |
| 08:43.13 | jpw | i'll assume the latter, cheers. |
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| 08:43.37 | linux | ciao |
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| 08:44.03 | linux | come install nvidia su debian |
| 08:44.31 | Brigo | !it |
| 08:44.31 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 08:46.06 | Brigo | jpw, you are right, it looks like you need ltrace: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8494434/find-out-which-environment-variables-used-by-a-command |
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| 08:48.37 | linux | problema con nvidia su debian |
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| 08:49.10 | linux | come install karnel debian 3.16.0-4 |
| 08:49.32 | babilen | linux: If you want help in here, you'd have to speak English |
| 08:49.46 | babilen | (and be more specific about the problems you encounter) |
| 08:50.23 | linux | dependecy failed for /dev/disk/by-uuid/a688bac7- |
| 08:50.33 | linux | problem |
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| 08:54.39 | linux | help |
| 08:54.49 | linux | please |
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| 08:55.23 | linux | install nvidia version 375.39 geforce 940 m |
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| 09:00.14 | Dreaman | is old kernel not support this driver |
| 09:01.04 | linux | yes |
| 09:01.18 | linux | karnel debian |
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| 09:02.10 | babilen | linux: So, what did you do exactly? |
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| 09:02.51 | Pavr | n |
| 09:03.25 | Pavr | bhvmll,.-wd, |
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| 09:03.55 | linux | I followed the guide on site debian But when Facio black screen reboot |
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| 09:04.58 | Dreaman | linux my ubuntu use 4.10 and nvidia 940 mx 4gb vddr5 work |
| 09:05.23 | Dreaman | may be upgreat to testing |
| 09:05.45 | Dreaman | x.org not work with this |
| 09:05.52 | Dreaman | stable debian |
| 09:05.59 | Dreaman | your choice |
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| 09:07.39 | linux | my version 375.39 geforce 940m |
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| 09:07.57 | Dreaman | my is this is driver version |
| 09:08.39 | Dreaman | to pld kernel and x.org not work with this driver |
| 09:08.53 | Dreaman | old |
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| 09:09.58 | linux | I have done all guides them on Seto debian but nothing to do Sampre black screen |
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| 09:11.13 | linux | medice did he miss gcc karnel |
| 09:11.17 | linux | gcc |
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| 09:12.19 | Dreaman | this is my comment i not support just user |
| 09:13.00 | linux | ok thanax |
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| 09:52.57 | buu | evilman_work: Hey, any idea which version of the kernel I need? |
| 09:54.46 | evilman_work | buu: better use the last stable with lts. |
| 09:55.25 | buu | hrm |
| 09:55.27 | buu | I tried 4.10.10 |
| 09:55.31 | buu | same error |
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| 10:42.38 | buu | uh |
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| 10:50.08 | JyZyXEL | cifs: Unknown symbol vfs_submount (err 0) |
| 10:50.19 | JyZyXEL | why do i get that when trying to mount a samba share? |
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| 10:51.47 | JyZyXEL | % sudo modprobe cifs :( |
| 10:51.48 | JyZyXEL | modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'cifs': Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| 10:52.00 | JyZyXEL | ah broken kernel |
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| 10:57.05 | themill | JyZyXEL: you probably installed a new kernel and haven't rebooted |
| 10:57.12 | JyZyXEL | yes |
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| 11:03.52 | Jubei | anybody ever manage to mount EncFS over CIFS with Autofs ?:) If anybody has a minute to take a look, at the bottom of this log is the debug output from autofs: http://codepad.org/W0WfZ4Nx |
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| 11:41.44 | Enrico_Menotti | I'm setting up the keyboard mapping in my embedded Debian system. After changing the symbols file, I had to delete the cached files in /etc/console-setup and run setupcon --save. This recreates the cached files. However, afterwards the system does not recognise these cached files and runs ckbcomp again at each boot and each time I execute setupcon. Based on the verbose output from setupcon, seems that loadkeys loads |
| 11:41.44 | Enrico_Menotti | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:41.59 | Enrico_Menotti | Anyone knows how to get the system use the cached files? |
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| 11:44.33 | DeaDSouL | Hi, is anyone one familiar with 'T' file permission? (output of `ls -lah` is 'drwxrw-r-T 1 root users 90 Feb 10 23:18 My_Folder') |
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| 11:47.42 | centrx | DeaDSouL: Looks like that is the sticky bit? |
| 11:47.55 | DeaDSouL | centrx: yes right :) |
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| 11:48.33 | jpw | DeaDSouL: it has no effect in linux when set to the world bit. |
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| 11:52.09 | DeaDSouL | sticky bit is a great permission that saves lots of headache :p |
| 11:52.27 | DeaDSouL | at least for me :P |
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| 12:10.52 | Jubei | I'm using autofs to mount an encrypted directory using encfs. The problem is that regular users cannot access this directory. Only root can. Any ideas on how to remedy this? |
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| 12:11.32 | jonathan_x | Jubei: shouldn't autofs acquire the permissions of the mount itself? |
| 12:11.39 | jonathan_x | ie. it has nothing to do with autofs? |
| 12:11.57 | Jubei | jonathan_x autofs allows you to mount folders in a specific folder that it controls itself |
| 12:12.06 | jonathan_x | I know that |
| 12:12.20 | jonathan_x | but it would normally use the permissions of the mount as usual. |
| 12:12.21 | Jubei | jonathan_x so that folder is controlled by autofs i.e. by root |
| 12:12.39 | jonathan_x | it uses regular system calls you know. |
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| 12:12.45 | jonathan_x | I'm just asking you know. |
| 12:12.53 | Jubei | jonathan_x "it would normally use the permissions of the mount as usual." <-- I don't understand this statement |
| 12:13.14 | jonathan_x | have you mounted manually? |
| 12:13.16 | Jubei | jonathan_x I know it uses regular system calls but it does "mkdir" to create the folder for the mount point on demand |
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| 12:13.41 | Jubei | jonathan_x when I mount manually using encfs everything works fine. When I mount via autofs only root can access that folder |
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| 12:14.44 | jonathan_x | so encfs doesn't set the owner and permissions of the directory? |
| 12:15.05 | Jubei | jonathan_x hmm... I'm not sure about that. Let me do a bit of searching. Thanks. |
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| 12:17.39 | Jubei | jonathan_x that was it :) I had to use the command line option --public to force Encfs to allow other people to look at the mount point |
| 12:17.44 | Jubei | jonathan_x thank you very much :) |
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| 12:17.56 | jonathan_x | oh ok :). thanks. |
| 12:18.09 | CryptoSiD | Hi guys, what's up with debian jessie? running apt-get update ; apt full-upgrade do not upgrade all package |
| 12:18.21 | CryptoSiD | instead im getting "run apt list --upgradable to see upgradables package" |
| 12:18.27 | CryptoSiD | i dont understand the point? |
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| 12:18.56 | jonathan_x | mahbe |
| 12:18.57 | babilen | CryptoSiD: Which packages is it not upgradin? |
| 12:19.01 | jonathan_x | maybe run upgrade first? |
| 12:19.02 | CryptoSiD | my bad, debian stretch not jessie |
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| 12:19.35 | CryptoSiD | that is what im running "apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade -y ; apt full-upgrade -y" |
| 12:19.39 | babilen | CryptoSiD: You want #debian-next for that and you might be missing entries for sid/unstable in your sources.list to resolve certain dependencies |
| 12:19.57 | babilen | dpkg: bat |
| 12:19.58 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 12:20.03 | babilen | CryptoSiD: Also ^ |
| 12:20.15 | CryptoSiD | ok I'll ask in #debian-next thanks |
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| 12:21.57 | topi`_ | hello, a Stretch user here. I want to keep my rootfs as read-only for obvious reasons, but if I need to modify a config file on rootfs, remount it as rw for a while, and then remount back to readonly, it never seems to succeed. Something keeps it busy. Any advice? |
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| 12:23.35 | blackflow | topi`_: is /var part of the rootfs? |
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| 12:25.00 | CryptoSiD | [08:24:51] *** [#debian-next] Cannot join channel- You must be invited (mode +i) - Press F10 to keep trying to join |
| 12:25.08 | CryptoSiD | guess i need to connect to OTC. |
| 12:25.33 | CryptoSiD | I don't understand why they don't simply open a channel on freenode, the best irc network! |
| 12:25.34 | topi`_ | blackflow: unfortunately. |
| 12:25.38 | topi`_ | I need to fix that. |
| 12:26.55 | babilen | CryptoSiD: All official Debian channels are on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) |
| 12:27.03 | topi`_ | can /var take a symlink? I suppose it can |
| 12:27.22 | babilen | dpkg: otherchannel CryptoSiD #debian-next irc.oftc.net |
| 12:27.22 | dpkg | CryptoSiD: The channel you are looking for is #debian-next on irc.oftc.net. Please do /server irc.oftc.net and then /join #debian-next. If your client supports it, you can also right-click the following link and choose connect: irc://irc.oftc.net/#debian-next |
| 12:28.10 | blackflow | topi`_: technically it'd have to be a different filesystem, eg. a mountpoint. you could I suppose use a symlink, but still it'd have to be a different fs |
| 12:28.57 | topi`_ | yes, I'd link it to a different fs that can be readwrite |
| 12:29.22 | topi`_ | the main desire is to not to write to rootfs so that it cannot be corrupted |
| 12:30.05 | topi`_ | I believe the system can be somewhat partially booted even if the partition containing /var would become corrupt |
| 12:30.09 | blackflow | topi`_: note that it's a bit of a false sense of security. |
| 12:30.47 | blackflow | if you want to isolate processes, use chroots or containers |
| 12:30.52 | topi`_ | we want to boot up enough to be able to diagnose the failure (corrupt fs? disk failure?) and then relay that info to a master server |
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| 12:31.12 | topi`_ | no, the failures will be caused by the extreme external environment |
| 12:31.32 | topi`_ | think those robots that dig into the smoldering remains of the Fukushima ;) |
| 12:31.52 | blackflow | topi`_: not sure I follow that in relation to your intent to have a ro root, which you switch to rw when you want to change something and then back to ro |
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| 12:32.34 | topi`_ | I need to change to rw at this point (development), but not in production |
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| 12:32.51 | topi`_ | at least rsyslog seems to prevent me from ro'ing the root |
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| 12:33.04 | blackflow | topi`_: why do you want to ro it in the first place? |
| 12:33.07 | topi`_ | I probably need to whip up a script for this :) |
| 12:33.17 | topi`_ | good point, I should probably leave it rw at this point |
| 12:33.44 | blackflow | not sure it's a good point, I'm just trying to understand your use case |
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| 12:38.43 | jonathan_x | topi`_: there are more people trying to have ro root of course (I could be one of them), I mean it is the reason they switched /run to its own directory right. |
| 12:41.01 | jonathan_x | topi`_: in a sense you could even have a regularly updated squashfs as root. |
| 12:41.53 | jonathan_x | topi`_: but that would require reboots in between updates, most likely. |
| 12:42.40 | jonathan_x | and mounting it in initrd before pivoting to it. |
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| 12:43.07 | jonathan_x | benefit is on regular linux system there is a lot of compressible data. |
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| 12:44.25 | blackflow | jonathan_x: not that much, it's mostly bins which don't compress well. |
| 12:45.09 | jonathan_x | blackflow: but all of the documentation and other resource files I think... |
| 12:45.10 | blackflow | still, the advice/solution really depends on the wanted use case. |
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| 12:49.30 | blackflow | for stateless/readonly systems it is almost always better to have a immutable ro root running services and rw stuff inside containers or chroots. also compressed btrfs might be a better solution than squashfs which requires fiddling. |
| 12:50.17 | jonathan_x | yeah I guess. |
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| 12:51.47 | jonathan_x | but isn't typically the whole idea of putting /var on another filesystem not exactly that? |
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| 12:52.44 | jonathan_x | I mean there are apart from /home and /var no other parts of the filesystem that require writing during normal operation. |
| 12:52.53 | jonathan_x | unless /root. |
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| 12:54.52 | blackflow | true. |
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| 13:13.53 | jonathan_x | blackflow: even gzip -9 compresses a root filesystem by about 50%. |
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| 13:14.57 | jonathan_x | I guess running compressed images is attractive for containers. |
| 13:15.23 | jonathan_x | the fiddling then doesn't involve rebooting the system or anything. |
| 13:15.30 | jonathan_x | although you'd have to restart a container. |
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| 13:16.47 | jonathan_x | typically a compressed image could be unlinked and replaced and would only get used on container restart. |
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| 13:17.47 | jonathan_x | then actual data would still end up on another filesystem. |
| 13:18.03 | jonathan_x | I mean actual databases etc. |
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| 13:20.03 | jonathan_x | compressed images have benefits because of their containment, it is just the variable data that isn't contained ;-). |
| 13:20.32 | jonathan_x | but the system itself becomes just a file including /etc etc. |
| 13:23.30 | babilen | CryptoSiD: It's fine to pursue this here if you don't manage to join #debian-next |
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| 13:40.01 | CryptoSiD | they should link a bot with a channel on freenode. Ill ask on debian-next tonight i just finished a 15 hours shift im dead for now:) |
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| 13:40.56 | Plushfish | Hi |
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| 13:41.35 | Plushfish | I'm a bit confused, Google can't really help me. How can I edit the XDG applications menu? I use fvwm and would like to edit it to my needs and with my own applications |
| 13:41.45 | acresearch | people how can i import the angstrom symbol in terminal? Ã
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| 13:42.20 | mason | Hey all. I'm curious if one should expect Wheezy LTS to upgrade to Jessie cleanly, or if LTS presents problems for this upgrade. |
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| 13:43.38 | nkuttler | Plushfish: check /usr/share/doc/menu/html/ |
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| 13:44.04 | nkuttler | Plushfish: and probably the fvwm docs, i use openbox myself but it has menu hooks |
| 13:44.18 | nkuttler | acresearch: import? |
| 13:45.03 | Plushfish | nkuttler: Okay, I will try it out, thank you |
| 13:45.18 | nkuttler | mason: considering that lts should only have backported fixes, i don't see why there should be more problems than with any upgrade |
| 13:45.20 | acresearch | nkuttler: i am using gnuplot and when i add Ã
to the code i get an error, then i read somewhere that i can use the following code: {/E \305} to represent an angstrom symbol in ubuntu and it worked, but here in debian it is not working, so how can i use it? |
| 13:46.08 | nkuttler | acresearch: sounds more like a gnuplot problem? do you perhaps have to tell it to use unicode input, or feed it unicode? |
| 13:46.29 | mason | nkuttler: That's my guess, but I figured if there were an anecdotal evidence of problems someone here would know. TY! |
| 13:46.39 | mason | s/an // |
| 13:46.41 | acresearch | nkuttler: maybe i don't know, people in gnuplot seem to be asleep, how can i include unicode in terminal? |
| 13:47.06 | nkuttler | acresearch: depends on the terminal i guess, but in 2017 most terminals should just accept it |
| 13:47.13 | nkuttler | acresearch: or do you mean how to input it? |
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| 13:47.22 | themill | acresearch: you know the drill by now. What did did you actually try and what happened. |
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| 13:47.40 | jonathan_x | blackflow: xz -1 compresses a filesystem to 43%. |
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| 13:48.18 | greycat | That would depend greatly on what's in the file system. |
| 13:48.51 | acresearch | ok so i have gnuplot installed themill nkuttler and i give it this code: ---> set xlabel 'RMSD ({/E \305})' <---- so it should display a plot with the x-axis labeled as such: RMSD (Ã
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| 13:49.50 | greycat | \305 is the Å character in ISO-8859-1 but most of you are probably using UTF-8 |
| 13:50.03 | acresearch | greycat: oh |
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| 13:51.34 | acresearch | does UTF-8 has an Ã
symbol? |
| 13:51.42 | jonathan_x | of course |
| 13:51.55 | greycat | What happens if you simply put 'RMSD (Å)' in your xlabel? |
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| 13:52.30 | acresearch | greycat: i get an emputy feild 'RMSD ()' |
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| 13:54.06 | acresearch | greycat: i guess debian terminal does not have iso_8859_1? |
| 13:55.11 | greycat | If you're on a modern version of Debian (anything still supported), your native charset is probably utf-8. |
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| 13:55.38 | greycat | This would be the charset used on the console (VT) as well as in X terminal emulators. |
| 13:55.39 | acresearch | oh ok |
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| 13:55.50 | acresearch | let me try and see how i can set gnuplot to utf-8 |
| 13:56.16 | acresearch | what is the code for Ã
in utf-8 greycat ? |
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| 13:57.07 | rohit_ | hry guys, I have debian with 3.19 kernel installed on my laptop, but every time I try to reboot, I see a login prompt and system hangs. I don't see any logs in journalctl --merge. Can someone help me please. |
| 13:57.20 | greycat | I don't know. I was trying to figure out the Compose sequence to generate it, but nothing I tried worked. |
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| 13:57.53 | greycat | Ah here, we go, apparently it's Compose A A |
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| 13:58.18 | greycat | Looks like 0xc3 0x85 |
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| 13:58.44 | acresearch | greycat: tell me what you did to make it work |
| 13:58.49 | leo-unglaub | hey friends, my debian server just got a new network card because the old one was broken. now during booting i get the error: "cannot find device "eth0" |
| 13:59.02 | leo-unglaub | what can i do to fix that and to get a network interface up again? |
| 13:59.34 | greycat | My compose key is mapped to Right-Alt. So I pressed Compose A O (nothing), and Compose A 0 (nothing), and Compose A A (voila!). Then I inserted "printf " before that, and "| hd" after it. |
| 14:00.42 | greycat | leo-unglaub: what interface(s) does "ip addr list" show? |
| 14:01.40 | leo-unglaub | greycat: currently nothing because i am still hanging in oo |
| 14:01.42 | leo-unglaub | boot |
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| 14:03.46 | leo-unglaub | i hope there is a timeout on this error so it continues to boot so i get a shell |
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| 14:06.49 | acresearch | greycat: if debian terminal does not have iso_8859_1 encoding, where can i install it from? |
| 14:07.23 | themill | acresearch: you don't install encodings you configure software to use them. You don't want to go back in time to iso8859-1 |
| 14:07.25 | greycat | Probably by going backward in time about 15 years. |
| 14:07.39 | acresearch | greycat: themill haha |
| 14:07.59 | acresearch | greycat: themill but when i set encoding iso_8859_1 in gnuplot nothing happens |
| 14:08.10 | acresearch | it worked in ubuntu, but not here in debian |
| 14:08.13 | themill | define 'set' and ;nothing; |
| 14:08.23 | rohit_ | hey guys, I have debian with 3.19 kernel installed on my laptop, but every time I try to reboot, I see a login prompt and system hangs. I don't see any logs in journalctl --merge. Can someone help me please. |
| 14:08.29 | themill | and if you keep saying 'ubuntu' then I'll just suggest you install ubuntu instead |
| 14:09.36 | acresearch | themill: problem ubuntu's unity crashes A LOT + plus i like debian's stability , but most things are difficult here :-( |
| 14:11.05 | themill | I would be very surprised if there were any difference in the gnuplot package |
| 14:11.23 | BluesKaj | acresearch: you might need to get used to manually installing packages in debian that are installed by default in the 'buntus, for starters |
| 14:11.40 | acresearch | BluesKaj: i have no problem with that |
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| 14:11.57 | acresearch | BluesKaj: but there are some deep stuff i cannot figure out for myself |
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| 14:12.29 | greycat | there's a #gnuplot channel too |
| 14:13.08 | acresearch | greycat: i know, they almost never answer |
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| 14:13.39 | ssarah | is there a way to put plugins in pulseaudio? |
| 14:13.48 | ssarah | like anti clipping stereo to mono and stuff like that? |
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| 14:16.14 | jhutchins_wk | ssarah: afik that kind of thing is usually handled at the application level. |
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| 14:16.47 | leo-unglaub | where does debian remember the mac address of an network interface? my mac address changes and now the interface does not come up |
| 14:17.05 | leo-unglaub | any ideas where the mac address is usually stored in what config file? |
| 14:17.09 | ssarah | jhutchins_wk, once i installed something to limit audio. But i remember it being hacky. Windows has stuff like that but it depends on the driver. |
| 14:17.16 | jhutchins_wk | leo-unglaub: Usually it's burned into a chip on the NIC. |
| 14:17.37 | greycat | leo-unglaub: or your DHCP server has something configured |
| 14:17.40 | leo-unglaub | jhutchins_wk: i know that. But i am speaking of debian itself |
| 14:17.42 | jhutchins_wk | ssarah: Yeah, the capabilities of the alsa/pulse mixers are pretty much limited by the driver and the hardware. |
| 14:18.02 | jhutchins_wk | leo-unglaub: Maybe you're speaking of the linux networking stack? |
| 14:18.13 | jhutchins_wk | leo-unglaub: On normal hardware the mac shouldn't change. |
| 14:18.21 | greycat | He physically changed the NIC. |
| 14:18.29 | leo-unglaub | its a new network card because the old one died |
| 14:18.45 | leo-unglaub | and now debian dows not find the new interface anymore because somewhere it looks for the old mac |
| 14:18.51 | ewew | i guess its persistend udev rule. |
| 14:18.57 | jonathan_x | leo-unglaub: with the new predictable naming standard your interface device name has probably changed to something unpredictable now. |
| 14:19.14 | greycat | Interface names are configured by udev. Interface IP addresses (based on the if name) are configured by /etc/network/interfaces or Network Manager or .... |
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| 14:19.40 | jhutchins_wk | leo-unglaub: Probably in one of the places greycat mentioned. |
| 14:19.49 | jhutchins_wk | leo-unglaub: Does ifconfig -a show the adapter? |
| 14:19.55 | jonathan_x | leo-unglaub: at least check if /sys/class/net/* hasn't changed. |
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| 14:21.22 | greycat | Use "ip addr list" or "/sbin/ifconfig -a" to see the interfaces. |
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| 14:21.33 | themill | acresearch: gnuplot's use of libedit doesn't make UTF-8 easy. Either preload readline or use it in non-interactive mode (or pick something more modern that also makes nicer plots( |
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| 14:23.55 | ssarah | jhutchins_wk, this was it : https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=99185 |
| 14:23.57 | ssarah | the one i used last time |
| 14:24.36 | ssarah | im pretty sure there is a way to apply some dsp that dont require you to read the file itself to the OS |
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| 14:26.55 | jhutchins_wk | Interesting. That's an alsa plugin, might work with pulse. http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/alsa-lib/pcm_plugins.html |
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| 14:33.45 | ssarah | jhutchins_wk, i dont understand everything about how this stuff works. pulseaudio is the frontend for alsa? and so what is LADSPA? |
| 14:34.05 | ssarah | right now im installing stuff from synaptic to see if something is good |
| 14:34.18 | greycat | pulseaudio is an optional multiplexing interface, I think |
| 14:34.36 | greycat | Lots of people don't use pulseaudio at all, and we play sound just fine. |
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| 14:36.28 | jhutchins_wk | ALSA plugins is an interesting wormhole. |
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| 14:37.08 | Enrico_Menotti | I have a wireless interface, whose mac address changes from boot to boot, in a randomly way, it seems. Now I need to have this interface always named in the same manner, i.e. wlan0. I think I have to specify this in the udev rules file 70-persistent-net.rules. But how may I reference the device in an univocal way? |
| 14:37.32 | ssarah | greycat, ty. jhutchins_wk wormhole? |
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| 14:38.51 | jhutchins_wk | Place to get lost/loose time. |
| 14:39.02 | jhutchins_wk | Something that sucks you in. |
| 14:39.07 | ssarah | ohoho |
| 14:39.47 | jhutchins_wk | There's an autotune plugin. |
| 14:40.28 | ssarah | i just wanted to get 3 dsps working systemwise: sharpening high frequencies, loudness equalization/no clipping and most important that one that you use so your ears dont get tired from using headphones |
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| 14:42.10 | newlinux | Hi. My internet connection stop working after I connected to openvpn. Do you know why? |
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| 14:43.23 | greycat | The typical, naive implementations of vpn clients rewrite resolv.conf to use the private network's nameservers, and may also change the default route to point to the private network, rendering you unable to use other networks.... |
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| 14:44.01 | newlinux | greycat: So what should I do? |
| 14:44.19 | greycat | Live with it, or redo your client configuration from scratch. |
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| 14:45.10 | newlinux | greycat: No no I dont think you understand. I downloaded config files from a vpn provider that works for many other users. |
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| 14:45.33 | newlinux | greycat: But the internet connection works sometimes, and sometimes it dont. |
| 14:45.52 | newlinux | So I dont know what to do? |
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| 14:49.15 | newlinux | greycat: Do you know how to fix it? |
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| 14:49.48 | greycat | https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=openvpn+takes+over+internet |
| 14:50.29 | ssarah | jhutchins_wk, check the second answer |
| 14:50.30 | ssarah | https://askubuntu.com/questions/95716/automatically-adjust-the-volume-based-on-content |
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| 14:50.49 | ssarah | you know of a place where i can find a huge list of ladspa plugins? |
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| 14:54.07 | newlinux | greycat: What should I look after? |
| 14:55.30 | greycat | Your default route and your resolv.conf settings, as I said. |
| 14:56.20 | newlinux | greycat: How do I do that? |
| 14:56.46 | greycat | I should know better than to respond to questions from anyone with "linux" in their nick. :( |
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| 14:58.25 | newlinux | greycat: If I go with "iptables -A INPUT -i tun+ -j ACCEPT" why does it dissappear after reboot? |
| 14:58.47 | newlinux | after reboot it is not there anymore, why? |
| 14:58.53 | greycat | Oh, you had iptables going. So you fall into the answer group of people where iptables is involved. You can add that to your google search criteria. |
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| 14:59.43 | jhutchins_wk | ssarah: google. ladspa is pretty specific. There are a few in Debian (including the autotune), but I don't know if the dsp.comp is there. |
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| 14:59.54 | newlinux | greycat: Do you know why it dissapear after reboot? |
| 15:00.14 | greycat | Because you didn't configure the boot processes to reestablish your iptables rules. |
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| 15:00.54 | ssarah | jhutchins_wk, ty |
| 15:01.10 | jhutchins_wk | ssarah: swh-plugins is also available! No need to step outside Debian! |
| 15:01.30 | newlinux | greycat: So how do I know if I really have to iptables this things? |
| 15:01.40 | newlinux | greycat: How can I see if Im behind firewall? |
| 15:01.46 | greycat | If you involved iptables in this mess, then I can't help you AT ALL. |
| 15:02.08 | newlinux | anyone else who can help me please? |
| 15:02.24 | greycat | !iptables-persistent |
| 15:02.24 | dpkg | methinks iptables-persistent is a utility to load an <iptables> rule file; see http://wiki.debian.org/iptables for more examples. You can run iptables-restore manually, from an interface hook script (see interfaces(5) for information about "pre-up" scripts) or from an init script provided by the iptables-persistent package. This package can be removed from jessie systems, it's functionality is provided by netfilter-persistent. |
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| 15:03.50 | ssarah | jhutchins_wk, this veromix thing seems quite interesting |
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| 15:04.11 | newlinux | greycat: http://paste.debian.net/928056/ Does this mean Im behind firewall or not? |
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| 15:05.43 | jhutchins_wk | newlinux: Seriously, you should do some reading on iptables. Try searching iptables howto and the link greycat sent you. |
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| 15:06.01 | greycat | Or just stop trying to use it. |
| 15:06.33 | newlinux | greycat: I just want to know, does this mean Im behind firewall or not? |
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| 15:07.15 | ssarah | ups, forgot to link it https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=223729 just click on the screenshots |
| 15:07.23 | greycat | Before you activate the iptables crap, before you activate the openvpn client, is your default route pointing to a private-IP-range address? Like 192.168.* or 10.*? If so, you are behind a NAT firewall of some kind. |
| 15:07.42 | jhutchins_wk | newlinux: What you posted has no bearing on whether you're behind a firewall. Check with your network administrator. |
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| 15:09.11 | newlinux | greycat: Do you mean, Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 mask:255.0.0.0? |
| 15:10.02 | newlinux | jhutchins_wk: network administrator? Its my computer and network |
| 15:10.06 | greycat | No, not loopback. Your actual ethernet or wifi or tokenring or whatever interface. |
| 15:10.57 | newlinux | greycat: ifconfig shows me eth0 with inet addr:(my ip here) no local ip as you say |
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| 15:11.19 | greycat | Oh, then you just run (your command here). |
| 15:12.08 | newlinux | what command? |
| 15:12.35 | greycat | How do you expect anyone to help you if you hide all the pertinent information? |
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| 15:13.10 | greycat | Your question was whether you are behind a firewall. We asked you to check your default route and see if it's 192.168.* or 10.*. You didn't show us your default route. and you didn't show us your IP. |
| 15:13.32 | newlinux | greycat: How do I check my default route? |
| 15:13.43 | greycat | netstat -rn, or route -n |
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| 15:14.33 | greycat | or ip route list |
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| 15:16.57 | newlinux | greycat: there is not 192 or 10. listed there |
| 15:17.19 | greycat | And you can't tell us the god damned NUMBERS? Because it's a SECRET? |
| 15:17.36 | newlinux | greycat: only 0.0.0.0 and 145.4.4.1 0.0.0.0 |
| 15:17.41 | newlinux | etho0 |
| 15:18.09 | newlinux | then 145.4.4.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 etho 0 |
| 15:18.09 | greycat | OK, that's not one of the three private ranges for IPv4, so it looks like *might* not be behind a firewall. Maybe. Possibly. |
| 15:18.30 | greycat | (If you are behind one, it's probably not a standard consumer NAT.) |
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| 15:18.47 | Plushfish | greycat: Routed IP adresses usually have a firewall |
| 15:19.07 | Plushfish | or are behind one |
| 15:19.18 | newlinux | greycat: Do you know how to make my internet connection working after connected to openvpn? |
| 15:19.20 | greycat | Well, in any case we can't tell from here. |
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| 15:19.34 | greycat | newlinux: start by removing iptables from the equation. Entirely. |
| 15:19.43 | newlinux | greycat: How? |
| 15:19.50 | greycat | If you get it all working without iptables, then you can SLOWLY, CAREFULLY try to incorporate iptables. |
| 15:19.53 | greycat | *plonk* |
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| 15:20.36 | newlinux | greycat: Do you mean apt-get remove iptables? |
| 15:20.49 | Plushfish | newlinux: No, he didn't meant that |
| 15:20.51 | jasonwc | Does anyone have experience with Samba's multi-channel support (added as an experimental feature in 4.4)? Is it stable enough to use? |
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| 15:21.00 | lasdam | newlinux: from your paste it seems that your iptables/netfilter rules are clean, meaning your software hardware is basically disabled or inactive, so that's not the issue |
| 15:21.09 | lasdam | software firewall* |
| 15:21.15 | Plushfish | newlinux: He meant you should clean/flush your iptables and check again |
| 15:21.30 | lasdam | but you could still be behind a hardware firewall, i.e. a firewall within the NAT as greycat mentioned |
| 15:21.30 | newlinux | Plushfish: How do I clean/flush it? |
| 15:21.44 | Plushfish | newlinux: iptables -F and/or iptables -X |
| 15:21.56 | newlinux | lasdam: How do I enable it then? |
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| 15:22.12 | lasdam | you don't want it enabled, that's the point |
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| 15:23.56 | newlinux | Plushfish: didnt help me |
| 15:23.58 | lasdam | it's inactive, and that's good as long as you're having network issues, so that the troubleshooting is as simple as possible |
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| 15:25.16 | newlinux | So how do I make my internet connection work when connected to openvpn? |
| 15:25.34 | MarkL | hi guys I have recovered some media from a SD card, the program have created 2 protected folder, copied all datas on a usb pen drive and deleted the protected folder with a locker symbol on iy with sudo nautilus and then going on them deleting them. On the trash bin there is nothing but the disk space has not been recovered so now my debian is still completely full with just 200 mega left. How should I do yo find them and deleting them completely? thanks |
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| 15:26.20 | lasdam | I'm not sure about how to exactly troubleshoot your problem, just thought I'd try to clarify or simplify what I think graycat was trying to tell you |
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| 15:30.43 | lasdam | newlinux: I suggest editing your vpn config file and look for a "log" entry somewhere. if you can't find one, insert one, for example "log /var/log/openvpn.log" on an empty line, restart openvpn, and check the log file |
| 15:31.15 | lasdam | not sure how helpful that is, but it might be a start, then google whatever error you get |
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| 15:32.08 | jvelasquez | hi. I'm building a package from sources, and editing the changelog using `dch -n`, and I was also wondering if it's possible to change the package such that It's easy for me to know I have the modified package installed. I was thinking of rename the package to package-jvelasquez, by changing the /debian/control file, Package line, and also Replaces and Conflicts with the original name. Does this seem reasonable? |
| 15:32.47 | greycat | You should definitely be appending something to the version number. |
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| 15:32.49 | newlinux | lasdam: there is no openvpn.log file |
| 15:32.55 | greycat | maybe "jv" |
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| 15:33.22 | jvelasquez | greycat, in the changes file? or both control and changes? |
| 15:33.38 | jasonwc | jvelasquez: The Debian handbook has a good section on this topic: https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/debian-packaging.html#id-1.18.4.5 |
| 15:33.41 | greycat | There's only one place where you put version numbers, and that's the changelog. |
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| 15:34.03 | newlinux | lasdam: /tmp/openvpn.log found |
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| 15:35.54 | greycat | jasonwc: I think that's the wrong book |
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| 15:36.04 | jvelasquez | jasonwc, thank you. but the manual particularly lacks an opinion on good form for this use case scenario |
| 15:36.05 | greycat | !nmg |
| 15:36.06 | dpkg | The packaging tutorial (http://deb.li/QYyI) and the New Maintainer's Guide (http://deb.li/3DiDA) are good places to start learning about Debian packaging. You should also ask me about <devref> and <policy> to understand how packages should be maintained and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <best practices> <build without helper>. http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
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| 15:37.14 | jvelasquez | ty greycat. |
| 15:38.25 | MarkL | hi guys I have deleted 4 big folders root protected but the space has not been recovered where to find them? |
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| 15:38.56 | greycat | Oh, right, you're that same guy from before with the wall of text about SD cards and shit. |
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| 15:39.31 | greycat | *What* did you delete, and *what* command are you using to see the remaining space in that file system? |
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| 15:46.34 | newlinux | lasdam: here is my openvpn.log file: http://paste.debian.net/928064/ |
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| 15:50.24 | newlinux | any one? |
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| 15:52.15 | jhutchins_wk | newlinux: How about reading some of the material we've suggested? |
| 15:52.17 | jhutchins_wk | !vpn |
| 15:52.18 | dpkg | A Virtual Private Network (VPN) is constructed by connecting computers together over the Internet and encrypting their communications. This provides the ability to access LAN resources from remote locations. Ask me about <openvpn>, <openswan>, <openssh> (see -w option), <vpnc>, <pptp>. |
| 15:52.40 | jhutchins_wk | newlinux: You can /msg dpkg openvpn for instance. |
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| 15:55.48 | MarkL | any one? |
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| 16:02.16 | casawi | please |
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| 16:02.33 | casawi | install nvidia su debian 8 |
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| 16:03.56 | BluesKaj | I'm finding it difficult to get user permissions or even find the share tab in folder properties on debian to copy a folder to wife's windows pc. I'm used to kubuntu where the share tab is available to set permissions. |
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| 16:04.19 | casawi | install nvidia su debian 8 |
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| 16:06.44 | alekz | casawi: have you read the Nvidia wiki? |
| 16:07.45 | casawi | alekz yes is debian wiki my problem |
| 16:07.48 | casawi | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:07.53 | towo` | alekz, do nat waste your time, he is asking that for days |
| 16:08.15 | alekz | thanks towo` |
| 16:08.42 | towo` | and i i remember correctly, he has an optimus setup |
| 16:08.47 | towo` | *if |
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| 16:10.04 | simbalion | Hi, I'm trying to install gnome shell extensions but the website says "Although GNOME Shell integration extension is running, native host connector is not detected.", can someone help me? I have tried Firefox 52 and Chromium. |
| 16:10.06 | alekz | then google may help him better |
| 16:10.20 | jhutchins_wk | !it |
| 16:10.20 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:11.31 | casawi | towo ok I do waste your time, it is asking for days I just do Sepro has tecapita you quallichi problem quosi |
| 16:12.02 | casawi | and not trove who helps you ok |
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| 16:13.14 | towo` | casawi, https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers/Optimus |
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| 16:14.07 | casawi | towo I made the guide however is black screen reboot |
| 16:14.26 | casawi | ho install nvidia su debian ho fatto reboot oh no! something has gone wrong a problem has occurred and the system cant recover please log out and try again |
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| 16:14.49 | casawi | jon yes x11 problem |
| 16:14.57 | towo` | casawi, then forget that optimus ship, use the intel graphics and be happy |
| 16:15.08 | towo` | s/ship/shit |
| 16:15.23 | casawi | nvidia 375.39 |
| 16:15.31 | casawi | geforce940m |
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| 16:16.04 | BluesKaj | yup , that's an optimus gpu |
| 16:16.13 | BluesKaj | system |
| 16:16.15 | casawi | I need kernel 3.16.0-4 |
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| 16:18.33 | aruns | Can someone help me to resolve this problem? Low disk space: The volume "Filesystem root" has only 1.1GB disk space remaining, You can free up disk space by removing unused program or files or by moving files to another disk or partition. I am unable to catch the root cause of this problem, Is something filling up the disk? df -h & du output here: https://paste.ubuntu.com/24401716/ |
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| 16:18.43 | casawi | I Datto my version 375.39 nvidia geforce 940 m there qualcono that mida conmandi to follow |
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| 16:19.54 | casawi | aruns download gparted |
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| 16:21.09 | Brigo | aruns, check that /var and /usr |
| 16:21.13 | mtn | aruns: probably big log files in /var/log |
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| 16:23.26 | anotherus3r | Hi how do I prevent DHCP to change my DNS servers? |
| 16:23.27 | mutante | Is this dependency error a common issue after jessie->stretch in-place upgrades and Gnome? gsettings-desktop-schemas : Breaks: gnome-settings-daemon (< 3.19.92) but 3.14.2-3 is to be installed |
| 16:23.58 | aruns | casawi, What gparted will do to solve this? |
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| 16:24.45 | aruns | Brigo, mtn , How does /var , .usr and /var/log have to do with /root directory warning of filesystem root? |
| 16:25.18 | casawi | gparted for partesionale hard disk |
| 16:25.20 | mutante | aruns: /var is inside / |
| 16:26.03 | mutante | aruns: / is the root of the filesystem, /root is the home dir of the root user |
| 16:26.08 | jhutchins_wk | aruns: Unless YOU made it a separate partition. |
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| 16:26.50 | jvelasquez | greycat, hi. I need more specific instructions on how I'd change a package name. |
| 16:27.22 | greycat | Don't change the name. Just the version string. |
| 16:27.39 | greycat | if it's version 1.2.3-2.4 now, make it 1.2.3-2.4jv1 or whatever. |
| 16:27.58 | jvelasquez | greycat, ok. for now. :) |
| 16:28.14 | casawi | greycat? |
| 16:28.22 | casawi | config dns |
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| 16:28.43 | aleray | hi, how can I install python-dev for python 3.4 ? |
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| 16:29.17 | jukebox_ | hey everyone. having some issues. firstly, hexchat doesn't recognize my gmail address when i try to register through that |
| 16:29.31 | aruns | casawi, Thanks for the info |
| 16:29.45 | casawi | you |
| 16:29.46 | aruns | mutante, ok I got it correct. |
| 16:29.48 | casawi | lool |
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| 16:30.03 | aruns | jhutchins, thanks, no i did not made it separate partition |
| 16:30.17 | jhutchins_wk | aruns: Your /opt is also suspiciously large. Make sure you're running logrotate and that it's rotating all of the logs, that's a common culprit. It can also be mail (with attachments), or if you've built a web page in /var/www that can take up a lot of space. |
| 16:30.24 | jukebox_ | secondly, trying to install tor and i get the following error, Launching './Browser/start-tor-browser --detach'..., and i have already googled it and no i am not running as root, it just opens a fresh command line underneath it. can't figure this out |
| 16:30.38 | jhutchins_wk | aruns: Yes, I see from your paste that you didn't. |
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| 16:30.49 | mutante | anotherus3r: if you have NetworkManager, see here for the answer gstreamer1.0-plugins-base : Breaks: gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad (< 1.7.90) but 1.4.4-2.1+deb8u1 is to be installed |
| 16:30.52 | mutante | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:30.55 | mutante | E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages. |
| 16:31.07 | mutante | anotherus3r: sorry, bad paste: https://askubuntu.com/questions/2321/what-is-the-proper-way-to-change-the-dns-ip |
| 16:31.17 | anotherus3r | mutante: i dont have networkmanager |
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| 16:32.53 | mutante | anotherus3r: how about /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf? you can use "prepend domain-name-servers" in there to set a DNS server you want |
| 16:33.32 | anotherus3r | mutante: alredy did that |
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| 16:33.35 | jhutchins_wk | !resolvconf |
| 16:33.35 | dpkg | resolvconf is, like, a package that can be used to manage your /etc/resolv.conf (the file that contains your DNS settings). Many packages including ppp, ifupdown, dhcp-client, pump, pdnsd, dnsmasq, ... are compatible with resolvconf, making it easier to manage your DNS settings. Ask me about <fixresolvconf>. See also <resolv.conf>. |
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| 16:33.55 | anotherus3r | mutante: prepend domain-name-servers 46.227.67.134, 192.165.9.158; |
| 16:33.58 | TomTomTo1 | mutante: did you run a dist-upgrade? also please paste the output of apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy gsettings-desktop-schemas; apt-cache policy gnome-settings-daemon; to paste.debian.net |
| 16:34.05 | anotherus3r | mutante: but it still change to another DNS servers |
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| 16:34.59 | anotherus3r | mutante: should I change # option domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1; |
| 16:35.01 | anotherus3r | as well? |
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| 16:35.30 | cruncher | jukebox-, i dont know if i understood you correctly, and i dont know if hexchat has an otion to register, but i would recommend you to do it using the /msg nickserv commands |
| 16:35.32 | greycat | dpkg, resolv.conf =~ s/>. See also <resolv.conf>/>, <resolv.conf>, <override dns>/ |
| 16:35.32 | dpkg | that doesn't contain '>. See also <resolv.conf>', greycat |
| 16:35.40 | cruncher | and as for tor, try it without "--detach" |
| 16:35.41 | TomTomTo1 | mutante: looks like you only did a partial upgrade. |
| 16:36.01 | cruncher | jukebox-, i mean torbrowser |
| 16:36.12 | casawi | I want to configure dns tells me I have given them commands to do |
| 16:37.12 | greycat | dpkg, resolv.conf =~ s#>. See also <resolv.conf>.#>, <resolv.conf>, <override dns># |
| 16:37.12 | dpkg | greycat: that doesn't contain '>. See also <resolv.conf>.' |
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| 16:38.08 | jukebox- | cruncher, i managed to figure out the hexchat issue, but the tor browser bit is bugging me. and i'm typing in ./start-tor-browser.desktop |
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| 16:38.34 | jukebox- | cruncher, the line that follows that command is: Launching './Browser/start-tor-browser --detach'... |
| 16:38.53 | jukebox- | then it just brings another defaulted command line up |
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| 16:40.22 | greycat | dpkg, no, resolvconf is a package that can be used to manage your /etc/resolv.conf (the file that contains your DNS settings). Packages like ppp, ifupdown, dhcp-client, ... are compatible with it. Ask me about <fixresolvconf>, <resolv.conf>, <override dns> |
| 16:40.22 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 16:40.43 | greycat | Dunno why it wouldn't let me make the substitution. |
| 16:41.31 | cruncher | jukebox-, start it with -v parameter |
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| 16:42.51 | mutante | anotherus3r: sorry, i dont know then. can you just configure the actual DHCP server (on your router?) |
| 16:43.03 | jukebox- | how would that command line read? still working on teaching myself command line |
| 16:43.19 | anotherus3r | mutante: sure but how? |
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| 16:43.37 | mutante | anotherus3r: login on the router and use a web interface? telnet? |
| 16:44.26 | mutante | TomTomTo1: apparently i did not do dist-upgrade no.. thanks! i will paste if i still have issues after that |
| 16:44.29 | anotherus3r | mutante: no |
| 16:44.36 | anotherus3r | mutante: why should I do that? |
| 16:45.00 | anotherus3r | mutante: All I want is for DHCP to not change my DNS servers all the time |
| 16:45.02 | mutante | anotherus3r: to fix the problem that it is configured in a way you dont want it to be configured? |
| 16:45.08 | greycat | !override dns |
| 16:45.09 | dpkg | To instruct dhclient to use your specified nameserver rather than the one given to you by your DHCP server, echo "supersede domain-name-servers a.b.c.d, e.f.g.h;" >> /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf, or see man 5 dhclient.conf for more information. Instead of supersede, you can also use "prepend" or "append" to add nameservers. Or remove domain-name-servers (etc.) from dhclient.conf if you prefer. |
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| 16:45.33 | mutante | yea, and that is what i suggested before.. so i dunno, sry |
| 16:45.57 | mutante | you have to either configure the client or the server... |
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| 16:47.47 | greycat | helps if you spell systemctl correctly... |
| 16:47.50 | setuid | https://paste.debian.net/928078/ |
| 16:48.15 | setuid | I've tried every possible knob and dial to get grub-pc auto-installed on /dev/sda or hd0,0, without that damn prompt |
| 16:48.34 | setuid | including "debconf/priority string critical" |
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| 16:52.22 | anotherus3r | greycat:Do I have to remove the # option domain-name-servers lines as well? |
| 16:52.31 | anotherus3r | line* |
| 16:52.59 | greycat | Removing comments does not do anything. This isn't sysvinit with LSB shit. |
| 16:53.20 | anotherus3r | It say |
| 16:53.22 | anotherus3r | Or remove domain-name-servers (etc.) from dhclient.conf if you prefer. |
| 16:53.42 | anotherus3r | greycat: So why it does not do anything? |
| 16:53.54 | greycat | It doesn't say to remove the comment lines. |
| 16:54.18 | anotherus3r | greycat: What are you talking about really? |
| 16:54.30 | greycat | It gives you a choice of ways to proceed and one of those ways is to remove the string "domain-name-servers" from the list of things requested by the client. |
| 16:55.01 | greycat | You know, that list of things. It's like 3 or 4 lines of stuff in jessie, a bit more in stretch because they added ipv6 crap. |
| 16:55.11 | anotherus3r | !override dns |
| 16:55.12 | dpkg | To instruct dhclient to use your specified nameserver rather than the one given to you by your DHCP server, echo "supersede domain-name-servers a.b.c.d, e.f.g.h;" >> /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf, or see man 5 dhclient.conf for more information. Instead of supersede, you can also use "prepend" or "append" to add nameservers. Or remove domain-name-servers (etc.) from dhclient.conf if you prefer. |
| 16:55.17 | anotherus3r | here greycat |
| 16:55.24 | anotherus3r | Instead of supersede, you can also use "prepend" or "append" to add nameservers. Or remove domain-name-servers (etc.) from dhclient.conf if you prefer |
| 16:55.27 | greycat | YES FUCKING THERE |
| 16:55.40 | redcheckers | wow. so much profanity |
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| 16:56.02 | anotherus3r | greycat: And what you are saying is, that I cant remove the "#prepend domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1; |
| 16:56.04 | greycat | IF I HAD A FILE WITH THOSES LISTS STILL INTACT I WOULD POST A FUCKING .diff |
| 16:56.05 | anotherus3r | line? |
| 16:56.14 | greycat | request subnet-mask, broadcast-address, time-offset, routers, |
| 16:56.14 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:56.14 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:56.17 | greycat | THAT SHIT |
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| 16:56.53 | greycat | God DAMN, why are people so fucking insistent on being as THICK as they can possible be... |
| 16:56.54 | setuid | greycat: more cowbell please ;) |
| 16:57.14 | greycat | It's like they go out of their way to find a comment line somewhere else in the file just to piss me off. |
| 16:57.18 | doublehp | greycat: i burnt the wrong image in my rpi; using wheezy instead of jessie |
| 16:58.29 | anotherus3r | greycat: So I cant remove the "dhcp6.name-servers" line from there to prevent DNS changes? Im right? |
| 16:58.35 | greycat | Looks like the "dhcp6.*" stuff is in jessie after all. |
| 16:58.41 | anotherus3r | greycat: I mean, I can do that yes? |
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| 16:58.59 | greycat | anotherus3r: does yours looks like mine, or do you have a line in the middle of there with "name-servers" and other things? |
| 17:00.00 | anotherus3r | #prepend domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1; |
| 17:00.00 | anotherus3r | request subnet-mask, broadcast-address, time-offset, routers, domain-name, domain-name-servers, domain-search, host-name, dhcp6.name-servers, dhcp6.domain-search, netbios-name-servers, netbios-scope, interface-mtu, rfc3442-classless-static-routes, ntp-servers; |
| 17:00.07 | anotherus3r | greycat: yes |
| 17:00.14 | greycat | So yours doesn't look like me. Why do you think that is? |
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| 17:01.07 | anotherus3r | greycat: I dont know, why do you think? |
| 17:01.19 | greycat | Maybe it's because MINE HAS ALREADY BEED MODIFIED?! |
| 17:01.25 | greycat | Jesus. |
| 17:01.28 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 17:01.44 | anotherus3r | greycat: yes |
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| 17:02.02 | mutante | how many people still now what the plonk sound describes, heh |
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| 17:02.12 | anotherus3r | greycat: I asked you nice, Should I remove the "dhcp6.name-servers" line from there to prevent DNS changes? |
| 17:02.17 | greycat | Other people are still using it on the debian-user mailing list. Saw it just today in fact. |
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| 17:02.45 | anotherus3r | greycat: or is there something else I have to change? |
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| 17:03.08 | anotherus3r | greycat: Im trying to understand this to next time. |
| 17:03.11 | mutante | anotherus3r: lines starting with # are usually ignored, it marks a comment |
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| 17:03.34 | anotherus3r | mutante: What about it? |
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| 17:05.17 | anotherus3r | greycat: So you want me to copy paste your lines? |
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| 17:05.53 | mutante | anotherus3r: here's my last attempt. you pasted a line we told you to use. it starts with #. remove the # |
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| 17:06.40 | greycat | Maybe he doesn't understand what the word "Or" means. |
| 17:06.58 | anotherus3r | mutante: Can you paste that line again? |
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| 17:07.14 | mutante | anotherus3r: no, it feels like trolling now |
| 17:07.15 | Ryeee | Hi |
| 17:07.33 | Ryeee | I love checking my auth.log to see like |
| 17:07.40 | Ryeee | 500 people have tried to log in to my server |
| 17:07.45 | Ryeee | In the past month |
| 17:07.58 | Ryeee | Scumbags |
| 17:08.03 | cruncher | anotherus3r, in first line, why you dont want to get dns servers? is your machine stationary, meaning always getting th eip from the same dhcp server? |
| 17:08.07 | Ryeee | 500 bots I should say |
| 17:08.18 | cruncher | if so, you could just set a static ip |
| 17:08.25 | cruncher | why all this trouble? |
| 17:08.28 | mutante | Ryee: yea, that's background noise. it's automated portscanning. don't even bother. |
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| 17:08.39 | Ryeee | Should I whitelist? |
| 17:08.49 | Ryeee | To avoid bandwidth usage? |
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| 17:09.08 | anotherus3r | cruncer: Because my DNS servers changing back all the time when Im using openvpn. |
| 17:09.10 | abrotman | whitelist what? where? |
| 17:09.19 | Ryeee | Whitelist IPs |
| 17:09.22 | abrotman | where? |
| 17:09.29 | Ryeee | On the server |
| 17:09.32 | abrotman | Because unless you mean upstream, it's still your bandwidth |
| 17:09.32 | Ryeee | For auth |
| 17:09.37 | greycat | If the failed logins are a concern, change your ssh Listen port. |
| 17:09.54 | anotherus3r | cruncer: yes stationary. |
| 17:10.05 | jhutchins_wk | Ryeee: SSH? |
| 17:10.10 | anotherus3r | mutante: I didnt see you paste any link to me |
| 17:10.14 | Ryeee | Yeah |
| 17:10.31 | jhutchins_wk | Ryeee: You're running it on 22. Stop that. |
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| 17:11.06 | mutante | Ryeee: you can use the "denyhosts" package to handle it, but in my experience it might just cause new issues, like huge logs |
| 17:11.15 | Ryeee | What should I change it to? |
| 17:11.28 | greycat | Any other positive integer, really. |
| 17:11.45 | greycat | (Other than ones that are in use.) |
| 17:11.51 | jhutchins_wk | Ryeee: 222 is the most common, but because of that some bots will still hit it. Make up a number (check /etc/services to make sure it's not something you'll want in the future.) |
| 17:11.58 | cruncher | anotherus3r, you mean when connecting to openvpn it sets the dns servers and you dont want that? |
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| 17:13.31 | anotherus3r | cruncher: no it dont sets any dns servers for me. |
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| 17:13.58 | anotherus3r | cruncer: even if I change the DNS servers to VPN provider. It changes them back |
| 17:14.07 | cruncher | anotherus3r, back to what? |
| 17:14.17 | anotherus3r | cruncher: ISP dns servers |
| 17:14.37 | cruncher | you mean the ip you got from dhcp server? |
| 17:15.00 | anotherus3r | chuncher: no ISP dns servers |
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| 17:15.30 | mutante | which is likely the same thing |
| 17:15.44 | anotherus3r | ok then yes cruncher |
| 17:16.40 | anotherus3r | and after it changes them back, I cant ping google.com for example |
| 17:16.45 | cruncher | anotherus3r, we will have to take this more apart as there is probably a much easier solution than to edit dhclient.conf |
| 17:17.02 | anotherus3r | chruncer: sure |
| 17:17.16 | cruncher | you get dns server x.x.x.x from isp, then you conect to openvpn, and your new dns is set to y.y.y.y? |
| 17:17.37 | mutante | DHCP doesnt do what he wants. he controls both client and server. yet doesnt want to configure either.. ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
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| 17:17.56 | anotherus3r | chruncher: no, still same dns after connected to openvpn |
| 17:18.05 | anotherus3r | mutante: Im not the VPN provider, not true. |
| 17:18.06 | greycat | I compared nick/hostmask between newlinux and anotherus3r but... they didn't *appear* to be the same person. (shrug) |
| 17:18.28 | Ryeee | I have a barebones debian server that comes without the service script |
| 17:18.33 | Ryeee | How do I restart sshd? |
| 17:18.39 | Ryeee | It doesn't exist in etc/d.init |
| 17:18.40 | cruncher | anotherus3r, then its a rounting problem |
| 17:18.41 | greycat | systemctl restart ssh |
| 17:18.45 | cruncher | routing |
| 17:18.46 | Ryeee | init.d* |
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| 17:19.02 | cruncher | since you are connected to the new subnet, the dns cant be seen anymore |
| 17:19.15 | Ryeee | Says Failed to get D-Bus connection: No such file or directory |
| 17:19.23 | cruncher | care to tell the ip subnets you have and the openvpn one? |
| 17:19.34 | anotherus3r | cruncher: Do you know how to fix this? |
| 17:20.11 | cruncher | sure, as soon as we have more information |
| 17:20.22 | greycat | Ryeee: what version of Debian, what kernel, and did you DO anything fundamentally important like changing the init system, removing boot scripts, ...? |
| 17:20.23 | Ryeee | Oh sorry nvm didn't sudo |
| 17:20.30 | greycat | Ah. |
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| 17:21.02 | anotherus3r | chruncer: What do you need from me? |
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| 17:22.34 | Ryeee | Strange |
| 17:22.37 | cruncher | "ifconfig", "route -n" and "cat /etc/resolv.conf" before and after openvpn connection |
| 17:22.39 | cruncher | anotherus3r, |
| 17:23.00 | greycat | systemd can give some really confusing errors. |
| 17:23.05 | Ryeee | Nomatter how many times I append the authorized_keys file with the new key |
| 17:23.06 | anotherus3r | cruncher: then I have to quit the chat, brb. |
| 17:23.17 | Ryeee | It won't prompt me for the keypair when I connect |
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| 17:23.39 | greycat | Check permissions/ownership of the authorized_keys file and ALL THE DIRECTORIES LEADING UP TO IT. |
| 17:23.52 | Ryeee | It should be 600 right? |
| 17:24.02 | greycat | The directories shouldn't be 600. |
| 17:24.17 | Ryeee | Directory is 700 |
| 17:24.23 | greycat | All of them? |
| 17:24.33 | greycat | I hate this part. I truly truly HATE this part. |
| 17:24.36 | greycat | Nobody fucking listens. |
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| 17:24.50 | Ryeee | user and home is 755 |
| 17:25.00 | greycat | ls -ld / /home /home/you /home/you/.ssh/ /home/you/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 17:25.40 | greycat | If it's not a permission/ownership issue (you still haven't revealed the owner) then check the auth.log for failures, and if it's not there, try running a new instance of sshd with -d |
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| 17:31.09 | rkorandy | what's the most common desktop environment for debian, gnome? |
| 17:31.26 | greycat | Probably, because that's the default option. |
| 17:32.09 | anotherus3r | cruncher: Did you get them? |
| 17:32.28 | cruncher | anotherus3r, es, but write it in public here please |
| 17:32.39 | anotherus3r | http://paste.debian.net/928083/ |
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| 17:33.03 | lasdam | anotherus3r: why are you not contacting your vpn provider, like has been suggested to you several times by others? |
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| 17:35.12 | anotherus3r | cruncher: Do you know what it could be? |
| 17:35.15 | cruncher | not bad idea, maybe they even have already some support site with examples on how to change that |
| 17:35.49 | anotherus3r | cruncher: You talked about route problem, didnt you? |
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| 17:35.56 | cruncher | anotherus3r, i wanted 2 route -n, one before and 1 after openvpn... and are you using networkmanager for openvpn connection?? |
| 17:36.05 | lasdam | it's also triggering me that he switches from channel to channel when people stop ignoring him, switching his nicknames up, and keeps on just asking "how do you do that?" to every answer he gets |
| 17:36.12 | cruncher | anotherus3r, yes, that was my guess, now we are verifying that |
| 17:36.13 | lasdam | starts ignoring* |
| 17:36.30 | greycat | Oh, so it *IS* newlinux? Despite the two very different hostmasks? |
| 17:36.44 | cruncher | lasdam, yeah, like someone else stated here, he might be trolling... at the first sign of that ill stop offering my time to him |
| 17:37.12 | anotherus3r | cruncher: ok I have to quit chat again to get you route -n before and after. |
| 17:37.27 | lasdam | well, he asked the exact same question in the same way as newlinux |
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| 17:38.00 | anotherus3r | cruncher: no I have not installed networkmanager |
| 17:38.15 | lasdam | cruncher: yeah, I suggested the same in #openvpn where he was also ignoring suggestions and so on |
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| 17:40.35 | nbastin | are neither telnetd nor sshd installed as "standard system services" (or whatever the minimal install option is) on 8.7.1? |
| 17:41.35 | greycat | sshd is installed by default if you don't disable the "ssh server" option in tasksel in the installer |
| 17:41.42 | greycat | telnetd is definitely NOT installed by default |
| 17:41.54 | nbastin | greycat: if I updatedb and then locate sshd, it finds nothing.. :-/ |
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| 17:42.14 | anotherus3r | cruncher: http://paste.debian.net/928084/ |
| 17:42.37 | greycat | Install openssh-server then. Maybe you unchecked "ssh server". |
| 17:42.48 | greycat | Or maybe your installer had different defaults than mine for some reason, who knows. |
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| 17:42.53 | nbastin | I only had two choices from the install CD, desktop, or...whatever I chose |
| 17:43.01 | nbastin | something like standard system utilities |
| 17:43.16 | greycat | "Debian desktop" and "Standard utilities" and "SSH server" were all on by default for me, IIRC. |
| 17:43.31 | anotherus3r | cruncher: Did you get it? |
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| 17:43.48 | nbastin | greycat: I can try a reinstall - I can't apt-get anything as this is on a rack without an internet connection |
| 17:43.58 | cruncher | anotherus3r, so how are you building up the openvpn connnection? |
| 17:44.06 | greycat | Then stick the CD back in and apt-get install openssh-server |
| 17:44.26 | nbastin | greycat: it's not that simple.. :-) the iso was mounted on the idrac, but it's not actually available to the system |
| 17:44.29 | anotherus3r | cruncher: Do you want the openvpn.conf file? |
| 17:44.30 | greycat | An install without a network should leave your CD in sources.list |
| 17:44.57 | greycat | man apt-cdrom |
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| 17:45.11 | cruncher | anotherus3r, yes, you can pastebin it, i dont guess you wrote passwords inside |
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| 17:46.29 | nbastin | greycat: yeah the cd is in sources.list, but sadly is not available...lemme see what I can do |
| 17:47.12 | greycat | NFS-mounted CD-ROMs are a staple of server admins.... |
| 17:47.18 | anotherus3r | cruncher: cruncher: http://paste.debian.net/928085/ |
| 17:47.43 | nbastin | greycat: no network.. :-) |
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| 17:47.55 | anotherus3r | chruncer: then to connect I use the command "openvpn --config "openvpn.conf" and type username and password. |
| 17:47.58 | cruncher | anotherus3r, add "route-noexec" to it, and try again |
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| 17:48.39 | greycat | nbastin: then sshd isn't going to be of much use either, now is it |
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| 17:49.02 | nbastin | greycat: well, I can create an isolated fabric, but I have to bootstrap the network |
| 17:49.03 | anotherus3r | cruncher: Where exactly? Last line? |
| 17:49.16 | nbastin | greycat: so I'm building it up from scratch, which means there's no NFS |
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| 17:50.37 | cruncher | anotherus3r, you can do it after the "dev tun" |
| 17:50.49 | nbastin | greycat: ok, that was easier than I figured.. :-) a little idrac fiddling and I got ssh installed from the cd image, thanks |
| 17:50.50 | anotherus3r | cruncher: ok |
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| 17:51.03 | cruncher | but it should really matter, but just to separate a bit the "functions" |
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| 17:54.32 | anotherus3r | cruncher: that line did not even change my IP |
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| 17:55.12 | cruncher | anotherus3r, is it a dynamic ip you are getting from your provider, or static? |
| 17:55.17 | anotherus3r | cruncher: so do I have route error? |
| 17:56.08 | anotherus3r | cruncher: I dont know. But I think its dynamic ip because many people using the same ip. |
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| 17:59.19 | anotherus3r | cruncher: so do you know if its a route problem or not? |
| 17:59.23 | cruncher | anotherus3r, can you paste the logfile? |
| 18:00.04 | setuid | I stepped out, any ideas about my preseed issue? |
| 18:00.40 | anotherus3r | cruncher: do you mean the openvpn log file? |
| 18:00.43 | cruncher | yes |
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| 18:02.02 | anotherus3r | cruncher: http://paste.debian.net/928086/ |
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| 18:04.17 | anotherus3r | cruncher: So is it route issue that you talked bout? |
| 18:04.30 | cruncher | anotherus3r, you are sure you didnt get an ip? |
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| 18:05.54 | cruncher | because it looks like you did |
| 18:06.01 | anotherus3r | cruncher: I removed the line from openvpn.conf you told me. |
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| 18:06.32 | anotherus3r | cruncher: tell me the line again, I will try again? |
| 18:07.31 | cruncher | route-noexec, do it after remote-random |
| 18:07.39 | cruncher | then again show log |
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| 18:10.45 | Fasort | why my screen is not turning off on idle? check the xset -q: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/106c541d6a53cfe43c6af1dafdb62fda |
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| 18:12.24 | blastwave | can I ask a sed question? I am trying to deal with a string like "borg's eat humans" and I need it to have a backslash before the apostrophe s for a database insert. So I tried sed -e 's/[a-z]\'s/\1\\\'s/' but that doesn't work |
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| 18:12.33 | anotherus3r | cruncher: http://paste.debian.net/928087/ |
| 18:13.07 | anotherus3r | cruncher: no it not change IP and not change DNS servers |
| 18:13.23 | anotherus3r | cruncher: Can you verify by now if its a route issue or not? |
| 18:13.24 | cruncher | anotherus3r, i see it gets an ip |
| 18:13.37 | cruncher | what is now ifconfig output? |
| 18:13.38 | missmbob | blastwave: try ##sed |
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| 18:13.57 | blastwave | missmbob: will do ! |
| 18:14.05 | anotherus3r | cruncher: do you know if its route issue? |
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| 18:14.40 | anotherus3r | I have to go very soon |
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| 18:15.54 | cruncher | looks that way |
| 18:16.37 | cruncher | you can test it removing the line again, then connect normally, and remove the route with "route del 0.0.0.0 gw 10.128.0.1" |
| 18:16.39 | cruncher | anotherus3r, |
| 18:16.42 | cruncher | i have to go too soon |
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| 18:19.18 | Fasort | does anyone know how to use xset to turn off screen on idle |
| 18:19.25 | Fasort | It seems to me its not working properly |
| 18:19.31 | Fasort | xset dpms force off, however, works |
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| 18:20.07 | jhutchins_wk | anotherus3r: You really should read some of the materiel that's been posted for you. I think that if you do, you will probably understand what is happening, why, and how. You may be able to fix it; you may decide that you shouldn't. |
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| 18:21.07 | cruncher | anotherus3r, and just to say, preventing the dns change like you wanted at the beginning wouldnt help (since the dns isnt changed anyway when you connect) |
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| 18:23.30 | anotherus3r | cruncher: When Im connected to openvpn with ISP dns nameservers, I could ping 8.8.8.8. But if I change dns servers to the VPN provider, I could even ping google.com. Any explanation? |
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| 18:24.02 | anotherus3r | cruncher: with openvpn+isp dns servers I can only ping 8.8.8.8 and not google.com for example. |
| 18:24.15 | cruncher | anotherus3r, you said dns are not changed when connecting, and your resolv.conf confirms that |
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| 18:24.37 | anotherus3r | cruncher: But I can change it manually |
| 18:25.05 | stormchaser3000_ | is trying to run an ltsp server thing but can't seem to get it to work |
| 18:25.09 | cruncher | you mean when changing you "can't even ping"? |
| 18:25.40 | anotherus3r | cruncher: openvpn+vpn providers dns server, I can ping google.com |
| 18:26.02 | anotherus3r | cruncher: openvpn+isp dns servers, I cant ping google.com, I can only ping 8.8.8.8 |
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| 18:26.08 | cruncher | anotherus3r, yeah, im starting to think also you should conect your openvpn provider... maybe you must use a specific dns server |
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| 18:26.54 | anotherus3r | cruncher: do you know how to prevent the resolv.conf to changing? |
| 18:27.04 | cruncher | and probably they do some routing too. And even if we manage to get it running chaging the routing, it would defy the purpose of having a openvpn somehow |
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| 18:27.48 | rkorandy | hey jack nemrod |
| 18:28.13 | rkorandy | are you a nimrod |
| 18:29.21 | cruncher | that makes no sense anotherus3r ... getting dns from vpn and then prevent resolv.conf from being changed? |
| 18:29.43 | cruncher | probably you want to use the routes and dns server from your provider |
| 18:31.05 | cruncher | anotherus3r, if you really want, try the route del command i gave you, but as i said, then you would use the openvpn only for its own subnet, which i doubt it is what you want |
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| 18:31.21 | jhutchins_wk | stormchaser3000: Are you following a debian howto? |
| 18:31.24 | jhutchins_wk | !ltsp |
| 18:31.24 | dpkg | ltsp is, like, the Linux Terminal Server Project. http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP http://www.ltsp.org/ #ltsp on irc.freenode.net. |
| 18:31.49 | jhutchins_wk | stormchaser3000: Unfortunately, last I looked it hadn't been updated since etch-n-half. |
| 18:31.59 | setuid | d-i preseed/late_command string in-target apt-get -y install grub-pc; for line in $(cat /tmp/disklist); do in-target grub-install --force "${line}"; done; in-target update-grub |
| 18:32.02 | setuid | ^^ also not working |
| 18:32.27 | setuid | grr, is it so difficult to get grub-pc to install without making my preseed *prompt* to hit an "Ok" confirmation and select the drive? |
| 18:32.27 | cruncher | anotherus3r, best is you find out why you cant use the vpn dns server, consult with your provider |
| 18:32.37 | cruncher | i will be away for a while now |
| 18:32.40 | setuid | This fails also: d-i grub-installer/bootdev string (hd0,0) |
| 18:32.53 | setuid | Also this, fail: d-i grub-installer/bootdev string /dev/sda |
| 18:33.02 | jhutchins_wk | cruncher: He needs to talk with the provider and read the documentation. |
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| 18:37.59 | kion | I made a backup of my home directory with Deja-dup and went on and did a fresh install of Stretch, now I want to restore the backup but I changed my username in my new installation, how do I restore my files? |
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| 18:41.23 | mtn | kion: you will have to change ownership on all the files to the new owner. or do it again with the original username |
| 18:41.48 | stormchaser3000 | jhutchins_wk, yes i was following a debian howto |
| 18:42.07 | stormchaser3000 | sorry for the late response |
| 18:42.25 | jhutchins_wk | stormchaser3000: where's it failing? |
| 18:43.05 | stormchaser3000 | when i try to connect using PXE |
| 18:43.43 | stormchaser3000 | goes and looks at the screen of the thin client again |
| 18:44.14 | stormchaser3000 | i get a TFTP open timeout message when trying to connect |
| 18:44.45 | stormchaser3000 | i am assuming that either the connections is too slow or i configured something incorrectly |
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| 18:45.31 | jhutchins_wk | stormchaser3000: I haven't used it in several years, but I'd see what the server says is happening. iirc, there's a way to get pretty verbose logging when you're troubleshooting. |
| 18:46.27 | stormchaser3000 | ok... how do i get the verbose logging? |
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| 18:48.25 | jhutchins_wk | stormchaser3000: http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Troubleshooting |
| 18:48.34 | jhutchins_wk | stormchaser3000: Sorry, got a meeting to get to. |
| 18:50.31 | setuid | This definitely looks like a grave bug |
| 18:50.49 | setuid | preseed files that use grub in any way whatsoever, trigger interactive prompting |
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| 18:59.46 | mefistofeles | any ideas why google chrome is giving me certificate errors when trying to navigate google's sites? (like youtube or google.com) |
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| 18:59.55 | mefistofeles | firefox is working fine |
| 19:00.10 | mefistofeles | I have the latest stable version of google-chrome |
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| 19:00.51 | nkuttler | mefistofeles: well, google chrome is not in debian.. |
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| 19:01.00 | nkuttler | so for starters, how did you install it |
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| 19:04.15 | mefistofeles | nkuttler: from .deb on gogole chrome's site |
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| 19:05.00 | greycat | I use that version of google-chrome and am not having problems. |
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| 19:07.45 | setuid | Usually it's because time is off, even by a couple of seconds |
| 19:07.53 | setuid | certs fail to validate, because mitm mitigtation |
| 19:08.04 | mefistofeles | missmbob: no, datetime is fine |
| 19:08.35 | setuid | I'll bet it isn't |
| 19:08.38 | mefistofeles | setuid: let me check that exactly, then |
| 19:08.39 | mefistofeles | yes |
| 19:08.43 | setuid | ntpdate time.nist.gov |
| 19:08.47 | setuid | then try again |
| 19:08.49 | mefistofeles | this is another machine, mine is working fine |
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| 19:08.53 | mefistofeles | is from a partner at work |
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| 19:09.09 | Liubuntu | Hello |
| 19:09.18 | greycat | Used to be, you could run "ntptrace" to see how far off you are. Then people decided they shouldn't allow that to work. |
| 19:10.11 | jhutchins_wk | ntpq -p |
| 19:10.17 | mefistofeles | offset -0.003145 sec |
| 19:10.19 | mefistofeles | so it was ok |
| 19:10.39 | mefistofeles | and still giving certificate errors |
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| 19:11.38 | missmbob | has the browser been restarted since the resync? keeping in mind that chrome runs in background so you have to find the pid and kill it |
| 19:11.50 | jhutchins_wk | mefistofeles: As is so often the case, it's not the fact that there are errors that is important it's WHAT the errors say. |
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| 19:12.26 | mefistofeles | jhutchins_wk: I can't seem to get the error in english, but it is a NET::ERR_CERT_WEAK_SIGNATURE_ALGORITHM |
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| 19:15.45 | setuid | When you close chrome, make sure ALL children are closed too, then try again |
| 19:15.47 | jhutchins_wk | You're on the same version? |
| 19:16.21 | jhutchins_wk | Weak signature algorithm doesn't have anything to do with timestamps. |
| 19:16.39 | setuid | sudo apt-get install libnss3-1d |
| 19:16.43 | setuid | restart chrome |
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| 19:17.54 | missmbob | google.com and youtube.com dont use weak signatures. that's weird |
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| 19:18.39 | mefistofeles | I even reinstalled chrome |
| 19:18.49 | mefistofeles | and even installed chromium, chromium gives the same error |
| 19:19.01 | mefistofeles | removed .conf/google-chrome and still |
| 19:19.02 | jhutchins_wk | setuid: Wouldn't that tend to be installed by default and/or a dependency? |
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| 19:19.08 | mefistofeles | setuid: let me try that |
| 19:19.10 | greycat | http proxy feeding the wrong site? |
| 19:19.12 | setuid | jhutchins_wk: Not necessarily |
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| 19:19.53 | jhutchins_wk | mefistofeles: Do you have other browsers on that box you can test with? |
| 19:19.59 | rokra | Hello |
| 19:19.59 | mefistofeles | ok, sovled by upgrading libnss3 |
| 19:20.01 | mefistofeles | thanks setuid |
| 19:20.03 | mefistofeles | solved* |
| 19:20.10 | setuid | \o/ |
| 19:20.12 | mefistofeles | jhutchins_wk: yeah, firefox was working fine |
| 19:20.32 | jhutchins_wk | Very strange. Glad you fixed it. Good on ya' setuid |
| 19:20.34 | rokra | I have an issue with strech and nvidia driver :s impossible to get X lauched :(, someone can help me ? |
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| 19:20.49 | setuid | rokra: paste.debian.net, logs or error messages |
| 19:21.00 | somiaj | rokra: you will need to provide more info if you want a chance of getting help. |
| 19:21.07 | jhutchins_wk | rokra: What procedure did you follow. |
| 19:22.34 | rokra | https://pastebin.com/Pdyisz2n |
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| 19:23.55 | jhutchins_wk | rokra: The system kernel log would be shown by dmesg (dmesg | less). |
| 19:24.01 | mefistofeles | 14:19:02 < jhutchins_wk> setuid: Wouldn't that tend to be installed by default and/or a dependency? |
| 19:24.06 | mefistofeles | I think so too |
| 19:24.10 | rokra | to be honest , this is a PC for my son , with counter strike. The default Grpahic card is Intel HD 530 but not working properly. I decided to stick an old Geforce 8800GTS and run the following procedure :https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-the-latest-nvidia-drivers-on-debian-9-stretch-li |
| 19:24.12 | mefistofeles | that's probable a packagin problem |
| 19:24.14 | mefistofeles | probably* |
| 19:24.22 | rokra | https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-the-latest-nvidia-drivers-on-debian-9-stretch-linux ( sorry) |
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| 19:24.35 | setuid | mefistofeles: If it's requried, file a bug and have them fix it |
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| 19:24.52 | rokra | The problem is now that I have no more any X working :s |
| 19:24.54 | jhutchins_wk | rokra: There would appear to be a mismatch between the drivers and your card. |
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| 19:25.01 | mefistofeles | setuid: well, not really *required* but you won't be able to navigate Google's sites |
| 19:25.04 | mefistofeles | :P |
| 19:25.07 | jhutchins_wk | lspci -nn | grep -i vga |
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| 19:25.22 | rokra | jhutchins_wk: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation G80 [GeForce 8800 GTS] [10de:0193] (rev a2) |
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| 19:25.45 | jhutchins_wk | ,pciid 10de:0193 |
| 19:25.47 | judd | [10de:0193] is 'G80 [GeForce 8800 GTS]' from 'NVIDIA Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:0193 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 19:27.36 | jhutchins_wk | rokra: Did you download NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-295.49.run? |
| 19:27.39 | rokra | jhutchins_wk: I ran the nvidia detect , it advices me to install the nvidia 340 instead of the last version 375 if I remmember well but I think everythin is broken now? |
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| 19:28.02 | rokra | jhutchins_wk: No, for the moment I used only the apt-get |
| 19:28.12 | jhutchins_wk | rokra: You need to figure out why the kernel module isn't loading, start sifting through dmesg. |
| 19:28.14 | rokra | jhutchins_wk: do u think it can solve the isse? |
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| 19:29.36 | jhutchins_wk | rokra: Yeah, that's an old link badly indexed, sorry. 375 is current, not 295 |
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| 19:30.08 | rokra | jhutchins_wk: Nothing in dmesg, just looking |
| 19:30.33 | jhutchins_wk | rokra: Look for "nv" |
| 19:30.52 | rokra | only : [ 0.824117] rtc_cmos 00:04: alarms up to one month, y3k, 242 bytes nvram, hpet irqs |
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| 19:31.45 | jhutchins_wk | rokra: Obviously that's not it, and for some reason the kernel module isn't loading. |
| 19:32.14 | rokra | is there a generic driver I can set instead of nvidia in the xorg.conf in the device section to get the X working again? |
| 19:32.33 | greycat | It should fall back to VESA in many cases. All by itself. |
| 19:33.12 | rokra | greycat: ok |
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| 19:35.05 | shtrb|laptop | should I be safe using nouevau, with Nvidia 940m (there is some warnning regarding bad priv ) |
| 19:35.23 | rokra | is there any way to reset config? |
| 19:35.46 | greycat | move your /etc/X11/xorg.conf to some other filename, if you made one. |
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| 19:36.36 | shtrb|laptop | rokra , and any specific file under xorg.conf.d too |
| 19:37.06 | jhutchins_wk | rokra: Also fix the blacklist. |
| 19:37.29 | jhutchins_wk | I think the installer blacklists nouveau or nv, which is why it doesn't fall back. |
| 19:37.57 | rokra | shtrb|laptop: no , no folder with that name |
| 19:38.13 | rokra | jhutchins_wk: what do u mean by blackilist? |
| 19:38.26 | shtrb|laptop | under modprobe file |
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| 19:39.03 | rokra | I moved the original xorg.conf to xorg.conf.old20170417 and the X is started again ( that s good thing) but cinnamon is crashing now |
| 19:39.20 | jhutchins_wk | rokra: Look in /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 19:39.22 | setuid | Ok... so, anyone doing automated installs/builds with debconf and a preseed file? |
| 19:39.31 | shtrb|laptop | If have modified anything under /etc/modprobe.d/ (with blacklist in the line) |
| 19:39.35 | setuid | because I'm about to defenestrate this thing ;) |
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| 19:40.03 | rokra | here the file in the modprobe.d : amd64-microcode-blacklist.confdkms.conf intel-microcode-blacklist.conf nvidia-blacklists-nouveau.conf nvidia.confnvidia-kernel-common.conf |
| 19:40.07 | shtrb|laptop | setuid, what do you mean ? |
| 19:40.10 | BluesKaj | yes if the nvidia proprietary driver is installed, nouveau is blacklisted in /etc/nvidia/ |
| 19:40.29 | shtrb|laptop | Hey BluesKaj |
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| 19:40.31 | shtrb|laptop | *Hi |
| 19:40.41 | rkorandy | hey shtrb |
| 19:40.48 | BluesKaj | hi shtrb|laptop |
| 19:40.52 | setuid | shtrb|laptop: My preseed works great, except where it gets to installing grub, then it turns interactive and wants me to confirm the install |
| 19:40.54 | rkorandy | hey blueskaj |
| 19:40.57 | shtrb|laptop | and hi to the rest |
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| 19:41.07 | setuid | I've tried everry suggestion, recipe, example and template out there, none of them work |
| 19:41.24 | rkorandy | my gnome themes don't work too well on jessie |
| 19:41.29 | rkorandy | any suggestions? |
| 19:41.54 | rokra | Do I need to remove blacklist on nvidia? |
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| 19:42.35 | shtrb|laptop | setuid , to be sure I understand you correctly , you have a preseed file for auto installing vms/dockers whatever correct ? |
| 19:43.00 | setuid | shtrb|laptop: Preseed that takes an upstream iso and builds a working install locally, with pre-injected packages/config |
| 19:43.17 | setuid | everything works flawlessly, except that it's not fully unattended, I have to hit [Ok] at the damn grub-pc install part |
| 19:43.28 | shtrb|laptop | yes , I wished to see I understand correctly |
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| 19:43.48 | shtrb|laptop | I actually getting hit with a different bug (os-probe not being called ) :-( |
| 19:44.06 | shtrb|laptop | the other side of that bug :-( |
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| 19:44.51 | setuid | shtrb|laptop: https://paste.debian.net/928097/ |
| 19:45.24 | shtrb|laptop | sorry I forgot to say I'm on sid |
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| 19:50.27 | mender27 | I'm becoming increasingly interested in packaging for Debian. Could someone point me to good up-to-date resources on creating .deb packages? |
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| 19:50.52 | greycat | !nmg |
| 19:50.52 | dpkg | The packaging tutorial (http://deb.li/QYyI) and the New Maintainer's Guide (http://deb.li/3DiDA) are good places to start learning about Debian packaging. You should also ask me about <devref> and <policy> to understand how packages should be maintained and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <best practices> <build without helper>. http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
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| 19:51.38 | mender27 | greycat: haha, that was quick! thanks a lot :). |
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| 19:51.57 | shtrb|laptop | setuid , are you installing on a usb or something like that ? |
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| 19:52.10 | setuid | shtrb|laptop: nope, just a virtualbox vm |
| 19:52.13 | setuid | standard /dev/sda |
| 19:52.21 | setuid | first, and only hard drive in the box |
| 19:54.06 | mender27 | greycat: on top of those docs, there are helper packages to ease packaging, right? |
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| 19:54.23 | shtrb|laptop | can you see if having instead d-i grub-installer/only_debian boolean true , d-i grub-installer/with_other_os boolean true , d-i finish-install/reboot_in_progress note without the manual installation ? |
| 19:54.24 | mender27 | greycat: I remember doing it in the past, but almost entirely manually. |
| 19:54.41 | greycat | There's all kinds of stuff. Most of it's covered in the NMG. |
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| 19:55.06 | mender27 | Great! I should probably add it to my list of things to read, just like the Debian Admin Guide. |
| 19:55.14 | shtrb|laptop | *setuid |
| 19:55.14 | setuid | shtrb|laptop: I don't understand what you mean |
| 19:55.44 | setuid | I've tried with only those 3 lines, yes. |
| 19:55.47 | setuid | I still get prompted |
| 19:55.57 | setuid | I've asked the installer not to install grub, I still get prompted |
| 19:56.04 | setuid | I tell it to install grub, I get prompted |
| 19:56.11 | mender27 | greycat: thanks again for help! |
| 19:56.19 | shtrb|laptop | :-/ |
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| 19:56.37 | shtrb|laptop | setuid , I meant instead your setup of a direct disk use that option |
| 19:56.48 | setuid | I've done about 1,300 installs trying to test this |
| 19:56.50 | mender27 | over and out o/ |
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| 19:57.01 | shtrb|laptop | like here https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/example-preseed.txt (but without the rest) |
| 19:57.04 | shtrb|laptop | ohh , sorry |
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| 19:58.54 | setuid | shtrb|laptop: That example does not work as written |
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| 19:59.05 | setuid | The exact same grub lines prompt with a confirmation dialog |
| 19:59.27 | setuid | I've set the messages to not prompt for anything critical and below, it still prompts |
| 19:59.30 | shtrb|laptop | sorry for wasting your time :-( |
| 20:00.04 | setuid | Not wasting, just frustrating that this does not work |
| 20:00.11 | setuid | I think it's an actual lbug |
| 20:00.26 | shtrb|laptop | Wait , was original iso are you using ? |
| 20:00.29 | setuid | preseeds aren't 100% automated, can't be, wither you install grub or not |
| 20:00.39 | setuid | shtrb|laptop: Yep, 100% original upstream iso |
| 20:00.52 | setuid | I blow my directory away, it pulls it down fresh, checksums it and proceeds |
| 20:01.13 | setuid | I have everything automated, except grub-pc |
| 20:01.26 | setuid | I may just go back to lilo |
| 20:01.53 | shtrb|laptop | no no , I meant did you take jessie i386 net install etc |
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| 20:02.29 | setuid | Any installer iso will do this, debian or ubuntu |
| 20:02.40 | setuid | The problem appears to be debconf |
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| 20:03.34 | setuid | I'm trying to figure out exactly where this issue is, so I can report it to the right place |
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| 20:09.26 | anotherus3r | Do you really have DHCP installed on the system? |
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| 20:12.29 | setuid | anotherus3r: Who? |
| 20:12.38 | anotherus3r | setuid: what? |
| 20:12.48 | setuid | Your question, directed to whom? |
| 20:13.22 | anotherus3r | setuid: To people? |
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| 20:15.09 | BluesKaj | anotherus3r: is this about your vpn connection problem? |
| 20:15.19 | anotherus3r | BluesKaj: yes |
| 20:15.57 | BluesKaj | anotherus3r: what vpn service are you using ? |
| 20:16.02 | anotherus3r | BluesKaj: Ovpn |
| 20:16.19 | BluesKaj | I'm mean the provider |
| 20:16.22 | shtrb|laptop | anotherus3r , I'm having both dhcp server and clients with open vpn |
| 20:16.24 | shtrb|laptop | *2.4 |
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| 20:16.42 | anotherus3r | BluesKaj: Yea the provider is ovpn |
| 20:16.44 | shtrb|laptop | I'm using isc-dhcp-* and bridged mode |
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| 20:17.39 | shtrb|laptop | in openvpn you have several setup option , the best for me was just to forward everything to a dhcp server on site |
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| 20:20.44 | anotherus3r | BluesKaj: why? |
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| 20:21.18 | Epx998 | If I need to add drivers to the netboot image, is there a wiki on that? |
| 20:21.19 | shtrb|laptop | anotherus3r , In openvpn config server-bridge |
| 20:21.50 | BluesKaj | anotherus3r: different vpns use different methods to connect, yours seems very detailed and easy to follow |
| 20:22.06 | shtrb|laptop | anotherus3r , are you the opvn provider ? |
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| 20:22.19 | anotherus3r | shtrb|laptop: No |
| 20:22.21 | setuid | This is maddening |
| 20:22.33 | shtrb|laptop | are you in bridged mode or tunnel mode ? |
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| 20:22.59 | shtrb|laptop | in case of a bridged mode , you must make sure the tap interface is up before running the client |
| 20:23.01 | anotherus3r | shtrb|laptop: Do you want to see my openvpn configfile? |
| 20:23.04 | shtrb|laptop | *the dhcp client |
| 20:23.43 | setuid | Noooo! Guessing is so much more fun! |
| 20:23.50 | shtrb|laptop | remove the creds , and server and it would be good |
| 20:23.55 | shtrb|laptop | do not paste with the keys |
| 20:23.58 | buu | guys |
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| 20:24.16 | buu | Which grub packages should I have installed to make sure I can reboot? |
| 20:24.25 | shtrb|laptop | all the rest (the config would be good to see ) |
| 20:24.44 | setuid | buu: grub-common |
| 20:24.51 | shtrb|laptop | also please share the exact error you are having (I'm guessing it is realted to dhcp not working because of interface not up yet (common issue) ) |
| 20:25.16 | shtrb|laptop | but it could also be bad keys , incorrect keepalive settings etc |
| 20:25.28 | buu | setuid: is that it? |
| 20:25.37 | setuid | buu: that will pull in the other deps |
| 20:25.50 | anotherus3r | shtrb|laptop: do you want to see the dhclient.conf file? |
| 20:25.58 | shtrb|laptop | anotherus3r , no |
| 20:26.01 | shtrb|laptop | just the openvpn config |
| 20:26.18 | shtrb|laptop | unless you have ip by dhcp option (I guess it's not the case) |
| 20:26.31 | buu | setuid: when I installed it, it didn't pull in any other grub- packages |
| 20:26.48 | shtrb|laptop | *by dhcp name (but you would have known about it because the provider would have said to you that you need to use XXX identifier ) |
| 20:26.49 | setuid | buu: does sudo update-grub work? |
| 20:27.07 | buu | yup |
| 20:27.30 | anotherus3r | shtrb|laptop: http://paste.debian.net/928101/ |
| 20:28.07 | buu | Next problem! http://paste.debian.net/928102/ |
| 20:28.48 | shtrb|laptop | and what is the exact error ? |
| 20:29.16 | anotherus3r | shtrb|laptop: DNS servers keep changing back to my ISP dns servers |
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| 20:30.00 | shtrb|laptop | hmm ... that can happen if you have nm/dhclient running |
| 20:30.17 | shtrb|laptop | that is irrelevent to your openvpn setup |
| 20:31.00 | anotherus3r | shtrb|laptop: So what should I do? |
| 20:31.10 | anotherus3r | uninstall dhclient? |
| 20:31.18 | shtrb|laptop | first check if you have dhclient / nm running |
| 20:31.20 | shtrb|laptop | (no) |
| 20:31.31 | shtrb|laptop | you can stop them , or configure them |
| 20:31.36 | anotherus3r | dhclient -v -pf /run/dhclient.eth0.pid -lf /var/lib/dhcp/dhclient.eth0.lease |
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| 20:32.00 | shtrb|laptop | the dns servers are the ones which are pulled from there correct ? |
| 20:32.16 | anotherus3r | I dont really understand? |
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| 20:32.37 | shtrb|laptop | that is the link how you get connected to the ISP ? |
| 20:32.39 | anotherus3r | but I think dhclient is running |
| 20:32.53 | anotherus3r | no thats from ps x |
| 20:33.04 | anotherus3r | that means dhclient is running, no? |
| 20:33.15 | anotherus3r | 1826 ? Ss 0:00 dhclient -v -pf /run/dhclient.eth0.pid -lf /var/lib/dhcp/dhclient.eth0.lease |
| 20:33.19 | shtrb|laptop | yes it does , I'm asking do you have one link or more ? |
| 20:33.46 | anotherus3r | with dhclient? only one. |
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| 20:35.56 | seanz | Greetings. What are the general guidelines around storing sensitive info in a package? |
| 20:36.10 | seanz | I'm trying to package up my app and am looking for pointers. It would be hosted in a private package repo. |
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| 20:36.50 | anotherus3r | shtrb|laptop: http://paste.debian.net/928103/ this is my dhclient.conf file |
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| 20:37.43 | shtrb|laptop | also can you share your /etc/openvpn/update-resolv-conf ? |
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| 20:38.02 | anotherus3r | sure |
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| 20:38.31 | shtrb|laptop | the easiest way I can think of is to prepend domain-name-servers yourverynicednsserver |
| 20:38.35 | anotherus3r | shtrb|laptop: http://paste.debian.net/928104/ |
| 20:39.03 | shtrb|laptop | but we can adjust that script to kill all other preexiting dhcp scripts |
| 20:39.09 | nkuttler | seanz: sensitive info? |
| 20:39.32 | seanz | nkuttler: API keys and such. |
| 20:39.51 | shtrb|laptop | seanz , don't some asshole will abuse them |
| 20:40.18 | seanz | shtrb|laptop: Fair enough. How does that info get staged on a new server? The app I'm installing requires a certain config. |
| 20:40.19 | nkuttler | seanz: i assume you will install that package only on boxes you control? |
| 20:40.23 | seanz | Yes. |
| 20:40.24 | shtrb|laptop | included |
| 20:40.26 | anotherus3r | shtrb|laptop: Should I change #prepend domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1; to prepend domain-name-servers 46.227.67.134, 192.165.9.158; ? |
| 20:40.40 | shtrb|laptop | is that the correct ips ? |
| 20:40.52 | shtrb|laptop | that would work if in most cast you are connecting to that vpn |
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| 20:40.58 | nkuttler | seanz: i'd probably push the keys with a config management tool, doesn't feel right to put that in a package |
| 20:41.01 | anotherus3r | shtrb|laptop: no thats my VPN providers DNS servers that I want to use |
| 20:41.16 | greycat | wonders what the hell an "API key" is |
| 20:41.23 | nkuttler | seanz: depends on the keys though.. |
| 20:41.31 | nkuttler | greycat: a key that lets you use an api |
| 20:41.36 | shtrb|laptop | greycat , think about a root password or ssh key |
| 20:41.59 | shtrb|laptop | in some cases it's pay per use , so if someone abuses it , the author will pay for it |
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| 20:42.20 | nkuttler | or keys with different levels of access etc |
| 20:42.39 | seanz | Thanks for the input. |
| 20:43.12 | shtrb|laptop | seanz , we use a hardware device and a per client cert for usage (lot's of extra work but worth the effort if the software gets into the wrong hands) |
| 20:43.58 | shtrb|laptop | assume seanz is allowed to use certs in the first place |
| 20:44.00 | greycat | This is a *common* thing?! People actually do this? Like, for real? This isn't just some elaborate late April Fools's Day prank? |
| 20:44.16 | shtrb|laptop | greaycat , abuse free services ? |
| 20:44.36 | greycat | Clearly this ain't "free" in any of the senses I understand the word to have. |
| 20:44.48 | greycat | This is like pay-per-play or something. |
| 20:44.56 | missmbob | it's common. google uses it for lots of things...map api access, etc. |
| 20:44.59 | shtrb|laptop | some service are like that , not all |
| 20:45.12 | shtrb|laptop | in the mapping services , you buy a bulk of operations |
| 20:45.28 | anotherus3r | shtrb|laptop: I just checked the prepend domain-name-servers in dhclient.conf, But it still changing it back to another (my ISP) DNS servers. |
| 20:45.38 | shtrb|laptop | that is why I ask all my collegaues to switch to osm |
| 20:45.52 | nkuttler | greycat: i have several keys that are used every day in automated jobs |
| 20:45.55 | anotherus3r | shtrb|laptop: I mean, I changed it in dhclient.conf |
| 20:46.06 | shtrb|laptop | anotherus3r , while the link to the server was up ? |
| 20:46.23 | greycat | And these "keys" allow you to "buy" information from The Cloud? Which you need for your automated jobs? |
| 20:46.36 | shtrb|laptop | greycat , alsmot every single server give you an api today (that I work for) |
| 20:46.43 | nkuttler | greycat: they allow me to request data, or write/store data |
| 20:46.49 | seanz | They authorize one's use of a service. or API. They also identify _who_ is using the service. |
| 20:46.57 | seanz | What nkuttler said. |
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| 20:47.13 | anotherus3r | shtrb|laptop: Do you mean while dhclient was running? 1826 ? Ss 0:00 dhclient -v -pf /run/dhclient.eth0.pid -lf /var/lib/dhcp/dhclient.eth0.lease |
| 20:47.35 | nkuttler | i have a job for example that writes to a google spreadsheet for the marketing folks. they love that stuff.. |
| 20:47.38 | shtrb|laptop | anotherus3r , no while openvpn is running |
| 20:47.43 | anotherus3r | yes |
| 20:48.03 | shtrb|laptop | did you remember to restart the dhclient service after your edit ? |
| 20:48.09 | anotherus3r | no |
| 20:48.11 | anotherus3r | how do I do that? |
| 20:48.13 | seanz | We have an API key for Sendgrid, because we send lots of emails through that service. |
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| 20:48.27 | greycat | What the hell happened to my world. |
| 20:48.28 | seanz | Sendgrid handles all of the horrific details around mass email delivery. |
| 20:48.40 | greycat | "mass email delivery" = you are a spammer, yes? |
| 20:48.52 | greycat | So this is a thing that spammers have to do? Buy keys and shit? |
| 20:49.01 | nkuttler | .oO |
| 20:49.05 | seanz | Nope. Sharing service that allows merchants' customers to share products and such. |
| 20:49.12 | nkuttler | maybe we should take this to -offtopic |
| 20:49.21 | anotherus3r | shtrb|laptop: How do I restart the dhclient service? |
| 20:49.22 | shtrb|laptop | greycat , I had access to outsourced SMS engine does it make a spammer ? |
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| 20:49.51 | seanz | greycat: Nice to see you here. You've helped me a number of times in #bash. |
| 20:49.52 | shtrb|laptop | sorry , /etc/init.d/networking restart (but it will disconnect you from the ISP ) |
| 20:50.00 | seanz | I've also enjoyed reading some of your blog posts. |
| 20:50.05 | anotherus3r | shtrb|laptop: brb |
| 20:50.24 | mutante | no, as soon as you outsource something that isnt your problem anymore. that includes all moral implications of your business. that's what you pay the others for ..duh |
| 20:50.27 | shtrb|laptop | rememebr to start your openvpn service |
| 20:50.39 | shtrb|laptop | and that is why you pay for the API key |
| 20:50.46 | shtrb|laptop | *service |
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| 20:51.14 | greycat | puts up yet another mental wall between himself and The Cloud |
| 20:51.34 | shtrb|laptop | greycat , here is a very cheap for MAP requests (https://developer.mapquest.com/plans) |
| 20:51.47 | seanz | I feel the same way about "serverless", which is actually *many* servers. |
| 20:51.54 | seanz | It's the opposite of serverless in every way. |
| 20:51.54 | shtrb|laptop | some service will charge good money will other will do less |
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| 20:52.26 | shtrb|laptop | seanz , are your actions are pay per use ? |
| 20:52.27 | shtrb|laptop | *operations |
| 20:52.28 | greycat | I feel like I have just been walking along, minding my own business, and suddenly I turned a corner and I am in the middle of a cult meeting. |
| 20:52.35 | nkuttler | there's nothing nefarious about api keys, they don't always cost money, and if you're a happy sysop in a basement who doesn't talk to external services that's great too |
| 20:53.06 | seanz | shtrb|laptop: The product that I work on? The merchant pays for us, and we "extend" their reach (increase their conversion rates) by allowing customers to share to friends. |
| 20:53.19 | greycat | Spam. |
| 20:53.21 | seanz | It's free to the customer. When done well, it appears to be a natural part of the merchant's site. |
| 20:53.34 | shtrb|laptop | no , I meant if the key is used by someone else (will you need to pay for i) |
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| 20:54.04 | seanz | greycat: Call it what you want, but average bump in sales is 13% or more. Try getting that elsewhere. |
| 20:54.05 | missmbob | you usually only get billed if your key accesses the service over x number of times, then it's in blocks |
| 20:54.10 | nkuttler | greycat: you don't know what you're talking about |
| 20:54.11 | shtrb|laptop | greycat , if you don't pay for a free service you are the product (sorry ) |
| 20:54.22 | seanz | shtrb|laptop: Yes, definitely. We have sending limits and such. |
| 20:54.38 | shtrb|laptop | yes , so I think you can choose the way our guys did |
| 20:54.46 | shtrb|laptop | have a per client cert and a hardware key |
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| 20:54.57 | shtrb|laptop | your package will allow the user to load a cert |
| 20:55.07 | shtrb|laptop | *assuming you are allowed to do so |
| 20:55.09 | greycat | !wwrmsd |
| 20:55.10 | dpkg | methinks wwrmsd is What Would RMS Do? |
| 20:55.11 | shtrb|laptop | *it's one option |
| 20:55.36 | shtrb|laptop | greycat , what is wrong with using certs ? |
| 20:55.37 | mutante | nkuttler/seanz: so if you are not a spammer you must be "in a basement" and "if it sells i dont care" ... maybe you should really take it to elswhere.. bah |
| 20:55.38 | nkuttler | greycat: probably not demonize an auth method.. |
| 20:55.57 | nkuttler | mutante: for fucks sake how stupid are you.. |
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| 20:56.33 | mutante | nkuttler: now you are insulting me? go away |
| 20:56.34 | shtrb|laptop | or auth keys for that matter , it's just a security issue in the end of the day |
| 20:56.37 | nkuttler | that's like saying that pam is evil because it allows me to log into my server and send spam |
| 20:56.39 | seanz | Thanks for the input, nkuttler, greycat, shtrb|laptop. Lots to think about as I work through this. |
| 20:57.03 | nkuttler | mutante: you started with the name calling |
| 20:57.04 | seanz | I didn't mean to start an issue - just wondering how others manage sensitive data. |
| 20:57.40 | mutante | nkuttler: no, i did not. there isn't a single name there. you instead tried to use "in a basement" to belittle others |
| 20:57.45 | nkuttler | seanz: it's bizarre, really.. |
| 20:57.50 | shtrb|laptop | seanz , if you do choose a hardware key , very the provider is someone you can trust and his stuff really works with your devices |
| 20:57.54 | greycat | Well, for sure you don't include anything that works *like* an SSH private key into a Debian package that you intend to distribute. |
| 20:58.02 | shtrb|laptop | *veify |
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| 20:58.23 | seanz | greycat: That much is clear to me now. I don't have a lot of packaging experience, so I'm not sure how others do this. |
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| 20:58.36 | shtrb|laptop | greycat , an API key is the equvivalnet in some cases |
| 20:58.42 | seanz | It seems like packages don't include anything sensitive, and it's up to the user to configure the package once installed. |
| 20:59.09 | seanz | Like dropping a config file into /etc/default/${package_name} or something. |
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| 20:59.11 | seanz | No? |
| 20:59.15 | shtrb|laptop | yes , you can also push your server cert automaticly (your cas) |
| 20:59.19 | shtrb|laptop | CAs |
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| 20:59.31 | shtrb|laptop | it is an option , |
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| 20:59.50 | shtrb|laptop | some (like pidgin plugins) forces the user to perform a webbased auth |
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| 21:00.45 | seanz | Interesting. |
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| 21:01.06 | seanz | That makes sense for a certain kind of use case. My use case is installing a python application that is run through uwsgi / nginx. |
| 21:01.11 | shtrb|laptop | searches for how pam packages act |
| 21:01.26 | seanz | So I want the application files dropped into the system path. |
| 21:01.47 | seanz | I also want different configs based on which "environment" the server represents. |
| 21:02.03 | seanz | A staging server would have a different set of configs than prod, which is pretty standard (I think). |
| 21:02.05 | shtrb|laptop | Is the client running nginx ? |
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| 21:02.30 | nkuttler | seanz: one problem with packages is that any user can read them in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 21:02.37 | shtrb|laptop | you need to check how to correctly package such scripts , I remember that apache had their own rules |
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| 21:03.27 | anotherus3r | ok i rebooted my computer |
| 21:03.32 | seanz | Ok, that makes sense, nkuttler |
| 21:03.36 | shtrb|laptop | seanz , assume that shtrb|laptop wish to abuse your server and pulled a ethernet jack onto the wall in a clien office |
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| 21:03.59 | anotherus3r | shtrb|laptop: I rebooted my computer, now the /etc/resolv.conf contains 4 nameservers, 2 from ISP and 2 from VPN provider. |
| 21:04.00 | seanz | These servers are virtual, hosted in ⦠the ⦠cloud (sorry greycat). |
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| 21:04.31 | shtrb|laptop | anotherus3r , vpn are listed before the ISP correct ? |
| 21:04.36 | anotherus3r | yes |
| 21:04.57 | BluesKaj | anotherus3r: run sudo dhclient |
| 21:04.58 | anotherus3r | shtrb|laptop: How did you know ? :) |
| 21:05.15 | anotherus3r | BluesKaj: RTNETLINK answers: File exists |
| 21:05.17 | shtrb|laptop | no you can add a script that will ban all traffic except over the openvpn |
| 21:05.32 | BluesKaj | anotherus3r: good , then it's started |
| 21:05.45 | shtrb|laptop | BluesKaj , he probably has eth0 dhcp in network/interfaces |
| 21:05.53 | shtrb|laptop | so a dhcp client is started at boot |
| 21:05.58 | anotherus3r | BluesKaj: But why does it contain 4 nameservers? |
| 21:06.07 | ompaul | that is a single line in openvpn https://openvpn.net/index.php/open-source/documentation/howto.html#redirect |
| 21:06.09 | shtrb|laptop | anotherus3r , because I said to you to prepend |
| 21:06.19 | BluesKaj | shtrb|laptop: if he uses nm |
| 21:06.32 | greycat | https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2008/sep/29/cloud.computing.richard.stallman (google's answer to "what would stallman say about all this") |
| 21:06.36 | shtrb|laptop | you are correct , he may be using nm |
| 21:06.44 | anotherus3r | shtrb|laptop: The command line in dhclient.conf? I did add it in there |
| 21:07.03 | shtrb|laptop | correct , I'm just explaining why you now have 4 lines |
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| 21:07.29 | anotherus3r | shtrb|laptop: So how do I remove the other 2 from ISP? |
| 21:08.12 | shtrb|laptop | I said it was an easy option , the new option would be to drop dhcp (or dhclient ) , have a firewall rule that will block everything but openvpn |
| 21:08.17 | shtrb|laptop | *what jumps into my mind |
| 21:08.40 | shtrb|laptop | having the addresses prepended will send the request to them prior to your ISP |
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| 21:09.55 | shtrb|laptop | to totally block everything , what you can do is : add something like up "/usr/local/bin/mysuperscript.sh" that will call update-resolve , and kill previous dhclient or any other option |
| 21:10.03 | anotherus3r | shtrb|laptop: http://paste.debian.net/928113/ <- this is my dhclient.conf right now, btw. |
| 21:10.07 | shtrb|laptop | are you afraid of senstive data getting into the wrong hands ? |
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| 21:11.00 | anotherus3r | shtrb|laptop: I like privacy :) |
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| 21:11.29 | shtrb|laptop | in that case , I would suggest having an extra firewall rule to block everything other than vpn traffic |
| 21:11.47 | shtrb|laptop | in the up script in the openvpn config (that will be removed in the down) |
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| 21:14.14 | anotherus3r | shtrb|laptop: Would you suggest "/usr/local/bin/mysuperscript.sh" or the extra firewall rule? |
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| 21:14.35 | shtrb|laptop | something along the lines of iptables -P INPUT DROP, iptables -P OUTPUT DROP, iptables -P FORWARD DROP, and then allowing only the vpn |
| 21:14.41 | shtrb|laptop | that in the new script |
| 21:14.54 | shtrb|laptop | that script is somehthing you need to write |
| 21:16.01 | bernhardr | Hi guys/galls what would be the best commandline batch compression tool for my websites to compress jpeg images.. |
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| 21:16.30 | shtrb|laptop | ofc , you must have something like iptables -A INPUT -s 10.0.0.138 -j ACCEPT,iptables -A OUTPUT -d 10.0.0.138 -j ACCEPT , (assuming that is your route ip) and the same for the openvpn servers |
| 21:17.18 | BluesKaj | odd, shtrb|laptop, anotherus3r the instructions on the vpn website for debian are very clear https://www.ovpn.se/en/guides/debian |
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| 21:17.44 | shtrb|laptop | he needs something that is outside of openvpn configuration |
| 21:18.04 | anotherus3r | shtrb|laptop: So what you're saying is that now that I am connected to OpenVPN. So all my traffic goes not through the VPN? |
| 21:18.12 | shtrb|laptop | yes |
| 21:18.16 | shtrb|laptop | if you have a default gw |
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| 21:18.43 | shtrb|laptop | or you can just ban the ISP DNS servers |
| 21:19.14 | anotherus3r | shtrb|laptop: because of the ISP dns servers in /etc/resolv.conf, all my traffic goes not through the VPN? |
| 21:19.27 | shtrb|laptop | BluesKaj , his issue is a standard issue when you have more than one dhclient running |
| 21:19.44 | shtrb|laptop | not exactly |
| 21:20.07 | shtrb|laptop | resolve.conf is only about DNS servers , there is lot's of other traffic other than dns |
| 21:20.18 | shtrb|laptop | ntp , cert update etc |
| 21:20.32 | bernhardr | Actually i would like the tool to *crawl* through the dir and subdirs and optimize the jpegs losslessly (so that its better compressed, for seo). |
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| 21:21.43 | BluesKaj | well, time to close up for the day ...take care all |
| 21:21.46 | shtrb | anotherus3r I forgot to ask if you are using networkmanaer |
| 21:21.56 | shtrb | have fun BluesKaj , great night |
| 21:21.59 | anotherus3r | shtrb: No, Should I? |
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| 21:22.06 | anotherus3r | BluesKaj: take care |
| 21:22.20 | bernhardr | jpegtran is the most logic to use for batch jpeg image compression ? |
| 21:22.33 | anotherus3r | shtrb: Package 'network-manager' is not installed, so not removed |
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| 21:22.50 | shtrb | If you don't , it ok , if you it's ok (it was to be sure I'm giving coherent advice) |
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| 21:24.14 | anotherus3r | shtrb: How do I remove the ISP DNS servers from resolv.conf? And why they comes back when I use prepend domain-name-servers 46.227.67.134, 192.165.9.158; |
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| 21:26.03 | shtrb | they come back because you have dhclient running , which updates your file every X minutes (the lease setting) |
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| 21:26.34 | shtrb | the prepend only forces your VPN to be in the list so it will be always used before anything else |
| 21:27.22 | anotherus3r | shtrb: But the option DNS i comment out # option domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1; |
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| 21:27.37 | shtrb | you can drop the domain-names and search but that will brake dhcp when you do not connect to the vpn |
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| 21:27.52 | shtrb | that only talks about what to add |
| 21:28.38 | anotherus3r | But the prepend domain-name-servers 46.227.67.134, 192.165.9.158; (VPN dns servers) should be uncomment, right? |
| 21:28.53 | shtrb | it is uncommented (it is correct) |
| 21:28.57 | mrrhq | I wonder if there's a way to make dhclient refresh the DNS servers when I'm out of range of my wireless network. Thing is, I only use itnerfaces with wpa-supplicant. |
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| 21:29.08 | mrrhq | I suppose it would be easier for me if I used NetworkManager. |
| 21:29.16 | mrrhq | *interfaces |
| 21:30.27 | shtrb | mrrhq , i think you tie an event to a script in wpa_supplicant |
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| 21:31.02 | mrrhq | I just use the "wpa-conf" line in my interfaces. |
| 21:31.16 | mrrhq | Not even sure to what extent I could control dhclient with interfaces. |
| 21:31.34 | shtrb | wpa-conf is just a nice wrapper |
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| 21:33.08 | anotherus3r | shtrb: How do I remove the ISP DNS servers from resolv.conf? |
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| 21:34.23 | shtrb | you mrrhq , I think I have found a way for you , you can tie a disconnect event when calling wpa_cli |
| 21:34.47 | shtrb | antherus3r , by a script to stop a dhclient would be the easist way |
| 21:34.57 | shtrb | if it is called after the vpn is up |
| 21:35.19 | shtrb | *to stop the other dhclient that is running |
| 21:35.29 | mrrhq | Tie a disconnect event? |
| 21:35.34 | shtrb | yes |
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| 21:35.44 | mrrhq | Normally I use ifdown wlan0; ifup wlan0, which works. |
| 21:35.45 | shtrb | if you are out of range , I think there is a DISCONNECT event |
| 21:35.46 | anotherus3r | shtrb: How do I see if there is 2 dhclient running? |
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| 21:36.02 | shtrb | ps is an option |
| 21:36.04 | mrrhq | I just want to refresh DNS servers automagically when I'm on another AP. |
| 21:36.25 | mrrhq | Via resolv.conf |
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| 21:36.42 | shtrb | what does that even mean ? to restart dhclient ? (dhclient -r wlan0) |
| 21:37.05 | anotherus3r | shtrb: What I can see, there is only one dhclient. 948 ? Ss 0:00 dhclient -v -pf /run/dhclient.eth0.pid -lf /var/lib/dhcp/dhclie |
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| 21:38.05 | shtrb | oops , mrrhq -r will just kill and relaease not respawn |
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| 21:39.17 | shtrb | anotherus3r , can you try adding a route to your vpn server and then adding dhclient -x in that script ? |
| 21:39.42 | mrrhq | I mean... I know you can make dhclient set a DNS query retry value to lower, like 60 seconds, but it can cause slightly more traffic. |
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| 21:39.49 | shtrb | that will theoretically leave the ip up , and prevent the dhcp of updating again |
| 21:40.17 | mrrhq | I'll see if there's any settings I can use in wpa-supplicant config file. |
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| 21:40.30 | k2b | I am trying to install a proprietary application in wine. At the end of the application the wineserver crashes printing a bunch of error messages, among them "libGL error: unable to load driver: i965_dri.so". I could find no solution on the internet for my system. Any idea? |
| 21:40.34 | mrrhq | Just been too lazy to figure this out for so long. :p |
| 21:40.50 | k2b | *I meant at the end of the installation process, not at the end of the application |
| 21:41.02 | shtrb | mrrhq , try listining with wpa_cli |
| 21:41.09 | mrrhq | I'd prefer a way that wouldn't involve reconfiguring/resetting interfaces. |
| 21:41.11 | shtrb | to see what is being fired |
| 21:41.33 | anotherus3r | shtrb: Im not running the vpn server. :) |
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| 21:41.54 | shtrb | that was for mrrhq |
| 21:41.58 | shtrb | sorry |
| 21:42.10 | anotherus3r | < shtrb> anotherus3r , can you try adding a route to your vpn server and then adding dhclient -x in that script ? |
| 21:42.19 | anotherus3r | ok |
| 21:42.21 | shtrb | ahh , that is for you |
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| 21:42.27 | anotherus3r | :) |
| 21:42.43 | shtrb | on your client side , add a route (route add ... ) in the up script |
| 21:42.50 | shtrb | the one that I suggested to write |
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| 21:44.17 | anotherus3r | shtrb: Do you mean in /etc/openvpn/update-resolv-conf |
| 21:44.19 | anotherus3r | ? |
| 21:44.46 | shtrb | I meant the one in /usr/bin/local (that should call /etc/openvpn/update-resolv-conf |
| 21:45.02 | shtrb | and if does the job for you , file a bug with your patch |
| 21:46.11 | mrrhq | I mean, so how it works is I'm at home, I start up wlan0 interface, wpa-supplicant and dhclient start up, then let's say I move to my college network, then wpa-supplicant handles the AP change, however my resolv.conf is still related to my home network. That's the whole problem right there. |
| 21:46.26 | mrrhq | I don't know why sometimes resolv.conf takes time to set itself correctly. |
| 21:46.37 | mrrhq | Maybe I'll look more into this. |
| 21:46.51 | anotherus3r | shtrb: Btw, I always thought if you were connected to openvpn, all your traffic goes truth the vpn, what traffic does not really? |
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| 21:47.33 | shtrb | that is correct if and only if , the link is up , there is single default gw , there are no static routes , and openvpn pushes a default gw |
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| 21:47.53 | shtrb | so if the link go down (because the lease need to be updated) , traffic may jump |
| 21:48.19 | shtrb | and if your setup is good enough , you will not even notice that the vpn is down |
| 21:49.15 | shtrb | I had found out about that once in the uni , when I couldn't connect to ssh because it was blocked (while openvpn to 443 was open ) |
| 21:50.53 | anotherus3r | shtrb: What do you mean by if the link is up? How do I know all this things? |
| 21:51.21 | shtrb | if you can ping something that is only accessible inside the vpn , or if you look in the openvpn logs |
| 21:51.52 | shtrb | when the link go down (refresh or what ever) there is a warning about it , the route does not exist and other things |
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| 21:54.35 | anotherus3r | shtrb: Do you mean the link (the connection) to VPN server itself? |
| 21:54.49 | shtrb | yes |
| 21:54.58 | anotherus3r | shtrb: How do you know if there is single default gw , there are no static routes , and openvpn pushes a default gw |
| 21:55.04 | anotherus3r | ? |
| 21:55.05 | shtrb | route -n |
| 21:55.38 | shtrb | will answer two first question |
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| 21:56.00 | anotherus3r | and the last question about openvpn pushes a default gw? |
| 21:56.01 | shtrb | as for the the third one , you can check if after connetiong to your vpn if your ip changes |
| 21:56.09 | shtrb | go to something like whatismyip |
| 21:56.09 | anotherus3r | ok |
| 21:56.53 | anotherus3r | shtrb: http://paste.debian.net/928121/ Is this OK? |
| 21:58.04 | shtrb | hmm ... |
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| 21:59.55 | shtrb | I really dislike that you don't have a direct route just to your vpn |
| 22:00.23 | shtrb | so if your tun0 go down it will fallback to eth0 |
| 22:00.28 | shtrb | *in your setup |
| 22:01.17 | sine0 | ok this is not a debian question but I ask here because over the years i have grown to realise that most debian users know a thing or two, ok felatio done; I needed to secure delete some drives from a client, someone in here suggested boot and nuke, which worked slow but it worked ok. I watched a video recently about harddrive repair and they took the platters out and used tape to keep them aligned |
| 22:01.23 | sine0 | otherwise (data would be lost forever etc). My thought was, cant I just open the harddrive and move the platters around out of alignment and then quick format (stupid question?) |
| 22:01.37 | anotherus3r | shtrb: Otherwise it looks good for you? :) |
| 22:02.14 | shtrb | sine0 , why not to just melt them ? |
| 22:02.34 | anotherus3r | shtrb: So you mean if VPN server goes down, then it fallback to eth0? Or do I have to close the running openvpn first? |
| 22:02.35 | shtrb | anotherus3r , it has exactly the thing I warned you about it |
| 22:03.03 | shtrb | anotherus3r , if the openvpn client decide to drop the link (for any reason ) |
| 22:04.12 | anotherus3r | shtrb: What if the VPN server goes offline then? Would it fallback to eth0 or play dead? |
| 22:04.48 | shtrb | something like route add -net 145.4.4.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 dev eth0 , route default gw 10.129.0.1 |
| 22:04.55 | shtrb | fallback |
| 22:05.12 | shtrb | *assuming the route will be nuked from your table |
| 22:05.24 | shtrb | if it's not , all is good |
| 22:05.39 | TomTomTo1 | sine0: use shred if you need to delete it securely, dd if you need it quick. disassembling the drive and not actually overwriting the data is madness and not secure at all. |
| 22:06.02 | anotherus3r | shtrb: What I mean, Will the internet connection not working if that happends? Or would it really fallback to eth0 directly? |
| 22:06.02 | shtrb | TomTomTo1 , or 15 min the furnece |
| 22:06.30 | TomTomTo1 | i assume sine0 doesn't want to destroy the drives. |
| 22:07.03 | shtrb | that is all depend on what would actually happen , it may perform a nice action and everything will be still working (almost because your DNS are preepended , so DNS will not work for you) |
| 22:07.08 | shtrb | (*) may not work for |
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| 22:08.09 | shtrb | sine0 , always assume data can be retracted , that is why destorying the device is such a good option |
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| 22:08.53 | shtrb | and by destroying I meant , become a blob of metled metal and plastic |
| 22:09.18 | shtrb | go to check some DIY furness |
| 22:09.44 | anotherus3r | shtrb: By having 4 nameservs, 2 from VPN and 2 from ISP. Would the ISP still be enable to read my DNS traffic in this way? |
| 22:10.20 | shtrb | only if the first two don't find it |
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| 22:11.04 | anotherus3r | shtrb: So the best thing for me would be to get ride of the 2 ISP nameservers, right? |
| 22:11.13 | davidebeatrici | Hi |
| 22:11.29 | shtrb | it's all boils on how much time you are going to invest in it |
| 22:11.34 | shtrb | sine0 , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DyeESQpac0 :) |
| 22:11.59 | davidebeatrici | I have a friend who has installed Debian Stretch RC 3 on a PC with a MSI Z170A Gaming M5, an i7-6700K and 2 R9 480 |
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| 22:12.36 | davidebeatrici | He has enabled the IGD Multi-Monitor option in his BIOS |
| 22:13.24 | davidebeatrici | He has one monitor connected to the primary 480 and one to the integrated graphics card |
| 22:13.39 | davidebeatrici | Desktop environment: KDE |
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| 22:14.07 | davidebeatrici | On Windows both monitors work fine |
| 22:14.21 | davidebeatrici | On Debian, only the one connected to the dedicated GPU is detected |
| 22:15.06 | shtrb | davidebeatrici , also ask on #kde |
| 22:15.25 | davidebeatrici | shtrb: Ok, thank you for the tip :) |
| 22:15.45 | davidebeatrici | Initially dmesg displayed an error regarding the Intel firmware |
| 22:15.56 | shtrb | but how do you know what is detected , and have you installed the firmware |
| 22:16.08 | shtrb | missing ? |
| 22:16.29 | davidebeatrici | [ 9.923516] i915 0000:00:02.0: firmware: failed to load i915/skl_dmc_ver1_26.bin (-2) |
| 22:16.29 | davidebeatrici | [ 9.923545] i915 0000:00:02.0: Direct firmware load for i915/skl_dmc_ver1_26.bin failed with error -2 |
| 22:16.29 | davidebeatrici | [ 9.923547] i915 0000:00:02.0: Failed to load DMC firmware [https://01.org/linuxgraphics/intel-linux-graphics-firmwares], disabling runtime power management. |
| 22:17.03 | davidebeatrici | We installed the firmware with the package firmware-misc-nonfree |
| 22:17.19 | davidebeatrici | And the errors don't appear anymore in dmesg |
| 22:18.43 | beardyanme_ | anyone good with mergerfs? |
| 22:18.46 | davidebeatrici | dmesg: https://pastebin.com/MD2AEezu |
| 22:19.02 | beardyanme_ | it seems it works, but ls won't show the folders, and i can actually cd into dirs i know are there |
| 22:19.10 | beardyanme_ | just seems i can't list/find e |
| 22:19.11 | beardyanme_ | em |
| 22:19.23 | anotherus3r | shtrb: Sorry for asking you again, but how can I easy remove the ISP dns servers? Is there really nothing I can change in dhclient.conf? |
| 22:19.36 | davidebeatrici | shtrb: I see the monitors in KDE's System Settings |
| 22:19.45 | shtrb | anotherus3r, if you manually run dhclient -r after vpn is up does it solve your issue ? |
| 22:19.45 | davidebeatrici | But also "xrandr" shows only a monitor |
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| 22:20.10 | shtrb | you can change , just remove the pulling of the name-servers |
| 22:20.15 | shtrb | but that will brake other stuff |
| 22:20.50 | shtrb | davidebeatrici , xrander -q ? |
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| 22:21.32 | shtrb | anotherus3r , you can remove name-server and search options from the pooling |
| 22:21.41 | shtrb | but that will brakeyour DNS , I warned you ! |
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| 22:22.26 | nbastin | shtrb: if they already have a useful DNS, then it won't break anything |
| 22:23.05 | shtrb | nbastin , if you remove the option to pull dns servers from dhclient , next reboot there will be no "good setting there" |
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| 22:23.24 | nbastin | shtrb: why? there are lots of ways to set the values in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 22:23.34 | shtrb | and his vpn is accessed over dns (he needes to add it the hosts file) |
| 22:24.03 | shtrb | nbastin , his issue is with preventing that file being updated by dhclien |
| 22:24.05 | shtrb | *dhclien |
| 22:24.36 | shtrb | he has two sources for updates , and he need to block the update from one |
| 22:24.41 | davidebeatrici | shtrb: It seems like it's detected with xrandr -q |
| 22:24.51 | davidebeatrici | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/H7G9JGy9/xrandr%20-q |
| 22:24.58 | nbastin | shtrb: if the file works before dhclient is run, removing domain-name-servers from request seems sensible |
| 22:25.03 | shtrb | ok , your only need is just to enable it under KDE (I think) |
| 22:25.25 | shtrb | yes , but that will brake his workflow if he doesn't have a vpn working all the time |
| 22:25.29 | shtrb | that is why I warned him |
| 22:25.51 | shtrb | without that option (and search ) his dns records will not be updated automaticly next boot |
| 22:25.58 | shtrb | that's my point |
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| 22:26.08 | shtrb | *nbastin ^ |
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| 22:28.58 | shtrb | anotherus3r , have you seen my comment about removing the option and adding your vpn dns in hosts ? |
| 22:29.26 | anotherus3r | shtrb: No |
| 22:30.10 | shtrb | ok , you can remove the options to pull the dns name in dhclient.conf and add your vpn dns in hosts , that way it will not be overwritten by dhclient |
| 22:30.25 | shtrb | but when your vpn does not work your dns will not work |
| 22:31.05 | anotherus3r | shtrb: btw, dhcp -r killed my connection. I had to reboot my computer |
| 22:31.36 | anotherus3r | shtrb: So I cant use VPN DNS servers with my ISP and ISP DNS server with my VPN, why? |
| 22:31.38 | shtrb | Sorry I forgot to say you needed to have a route to the vpn |
| 22:31.39 | shtrb | sorry |
| 22:31.52 | shtrb | what ? |
| 22:32.12 | shtrb | I thought you wished to ban isp DNS while you are on vpn |
| 22:32.22 | anotherus3r | shtrb: Yes, no this was just a question. |
| 22:32.38 | shtrb | your ISP will brobabaly block you when you are on your vpn |
| 22:32.45 | anotherus3r | shtrb: I mean, you cant use VPN's dns server when you are not on VPN? |
| 22:32.58 | anotherus3r | ok |
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| 22:33.10 | shtrb | if you will arrive from an external ip , but it will happily support it when it arrive from the local ones |
| 22:33.25 | shtrb | that is why I said you should have a single route to your vpn and not a default gw |
| 22:33.29 | shtrb | on your eth0 |
| 22:33.54 | sypher | shtrb: That advice is only valid if you don't want to route your entire connection through the VPN. |
| 22:34.10 | sypher | shtrb: Or, wait, I think I misread what you said. |
| 22:34.25 | shtrb | and to have a deafult route on the vpn connection (tun) |
| 22:35.10 | shtrb | sypher, I meant to say the default gw is on tun (vpn ) and not eth0 (ISP) |
| 22:35.27 | anotherus3r | shtrb: Would it not be much easier to just ask DHCP to dont override my resolv.conf? |
| 22:35.29 | dexTrose | wargh >:@ grep is driving me nutz... why does grep require escaping double quotes in single quotes while not requiring anything else ( like backslashes) to be escaped -.-? |
| 22:36.02 | sypher | anotherus3r: It would be easyEST to correctly configure DNS and routing statements in OpenVPN. |
| 22:36.02 | shtrb | the don't override is the core of issues :) |
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| 22:36.14 | sypher | shtrb: No, it really isn't. |
| 22:36.15 | nbastin | dexTrose: it's likely the interaction of grep with the requirements of your shell |
| 22:36.17 | shtrb | sypher good luck :) |
| 22:36.31 | sypher | shtrb: Good luck? Okay. Oops, I'm done already. Only been doing this for years. |
| 22:36.43 | dexTrose | nbastin: nasty bash |
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| 22:37.02 | shtrb | sypher , sorry I think you have a better an easier idea than I have |
| 22:37.30 | sypher | shtrb, anotherus3r: Using the 'push' directives, you can force the client to assume routes and DNS settings when it connects. |
| 22:37.31 | shtrb | he needs that a dhclient that is running before openvpn will not override it (openvpn acts correctly) |
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| 22:37.49 | sypher | shtrb: That's easy. Using the statements I just mentioned will do that. |
| 22:38.10 | dexTrose | nbastin: well usually i would expect bash to treat everything in single quotes as text :/ as variable replacement is not done etc |
| 22:38.16 | shtrb | sypher , he has no control on the server (where push is sent) , and openvpn works flawlessly the issue is with the first dhclient |
| 22:38.46 | sypher | shtrb: You can configure them client-side as well. Also, easy. |
| 22:38.47 | anotherus3r | shtrb: May I ask why you are saying first dhclient? I thought I had only one dhclient, no? |
| 22:38.48 | shtrb | but if you have a better idea , go for it |
| 22:39.31 | shtrb | I think I will pass the honer to sypher (he seems to have good ideas ) |
| 22:39.38 | anotherus3r | sypher: I do that in the openvpn.conf file? |
| 22:39.48 | shtrb | sorry for failing you so far (just consider removing the options) |
| 22:41.28 | anotherus3r | shtrb: actually the Ovpn tells you to use prepend domain-name-servers 46.227.67.134, 192.165.9.158; as you said. https://www.ovpn.se/sv/blog/byt-dns-servrar-till-vara/ |
| 22:41.55 | anotherus3r | shtrb: But they dont have anything about the 4 nameservers. |
| 22:42.31 | shtrb | you can also drop the name serving , but sypher may have good ideas please wait for him |
| 22:42.47 | shtrb | maybe I'm to tired or something , so I maybe missing somethign very easy |
| 22:42.54 | shtrb | sorry... |
| 22:43.18 | shtrb | sypher ? |
| 22:43.34 | sypher | anotherus3r: https://paste.debian.net/928125/ |
| 22:43.43 | anotherus3r | shtrb: What if I change # option domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1; under lease to prepend domain-name-servers 46.227.67.134, 192.165.9.158;? |
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| 22:44.36 | sypher | I push those from server-side because I control the server, but they'll work on the client configuration. |
| 22:44.39 | shtrb | this will not really help you to gain what you wish , my option is to pull the rug from seeking the dns name servers |
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| 22:44.51 | sypher | shtrb: https://paste.debian.net/928125/ |
| 22:46.06 | shtrb | lets give anotherus3r to answer if it worked or not |
| 22:46.45 | anotherus3r | sypher: Is this something I add in the /etc/openvpn/ovpn.conf? |
| 22:46.47 | shtrb | I don't think it should , but I hope it would that way I will learn something new and your solution is much more elegent than mine |
| 22:46.50 | sypher | anotherus3r: Yes. |
| 22:47.00 | sypher | anotherus3r: Assuming that's your client configuration. |
| 22:47.19 | anotherus3r | sypher: Its a config file I downloaded from the VPN provider. |
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| 22:50.20 | sypher | anotherus3r: I have some concerns as to whether or not the dhcp-option lines will work on the client side, so that'll be interesting to see if it does work. |
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| 22:51.11 | shtrb | I remind you about a dhclient that is running .... |
| 22:51.44 | sypher | shtrb: And? You act like I don't use this configuration every day. |
| 22:51.53 | sypher | shtrb: My laptop at work certainly doesn't have a static IP. |
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| 22:52.50 | shtrb | as for the link , it also says that you can should drop the option (as I suggested) |
| 22:52.55 | shtrb | *for the provider link |
| 22:53.03 | shtrb | but sypher option should be better |
| 22:54.31 | shtrb | oops I misread the google translate |
| 22:54.37 | anotherus3r | sypher: Why did not the VPN Provider already wrote this in their .conf files? |
| 22:54.39 | alekz | see you tomorrow guys! have a good one :) |
| 22:55.04 | shtrb | Ignore my last comment (I misread the google translate ) |
| 22:55.26 | shtrb | just use sypher idea (which is the same when I said to use default gw from your vpn ) |
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| 22:55.33 | sypher | anotherus3r: I dunno. They're idiots? This is why I run my own VPN server. |
| 22:56.00 | shtrb | sypher , or they don't wish to mass with default gw for the client ? |
| 22:56.16 | sypher | shtrb: Which completely negates the intended function of VPN services. |
| 22:56.18 | shtrb | or if they have old version that option crashes their client |
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| 22:56.49 | shtrb | it's their business , I would tell a person how to do buisness :) |
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| 22:58.34 | dexTrose | huh could someone lend me a hand? I want to loop over a file list obtained by grep -l <for line in `grep -l '\"woggle\"' *`; do echo $line; done> but even if i try to save the output the variable is empty :/ |
| 22:58.51 | anotherus3r | sypher: And this would add the DNS servers to resolv.conf from the VPN? And DHCP would stop add ISP DNS servers to resolv.conf? |
| 22:59.33 | sypher | anotherus3r: How, exactly, do you have your eth0 connection configured? Because that's odd behavior. |
| 23:00.58 | dexTrose | ah nevermind! xargs :) |
| 23:01.59 | teraflops | dexTrose: eh use awk ^ |
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| 23:02.21 | anotherus3r | sypher: I downloaded debian-8.7.1-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso, then I got bad mirror archive during install. So after boot I fix the sources.list and did apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 23:02.32 | anotherus3r | sypher: And nothing more |
| 23:03.02 | sypher | anotherus3r: Default configuration, then. Let me do some testing. |
| 23:03.06 | shtrb | he needs your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:03.15 | shtrb | remove any pwd from there |
| 23:03.33 | anotherus3r | I use wired ethernet |
| 23:03.38 | anotherus3r | btw |
| 23:03.42 | dexTrose | teraflops: too steep, the learning curve's slope :P |
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| 23:04.08 | anotherus3r | shtrb: Do you want to see my /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 23:04.14 | teraflops | dexTrose: but in the end youll be grateful |
| 23:04.19 | shtrb | no , but it might bee needed soon |
| 23:04.37 | anotherus3r | shtrb: http://paste.debian.net/928126/ there you got it |
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| 23:06.24 | shtrb | anotherus3r , I will have to disconnect now it was a joy and sorry for failing to solve your issue, good night |
| 23:06.28 | dexTrose | teraflops: someday I will be - but not today :/ |
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| 23:07.30 | teraflops | dexTrose: just saying, as it's said, whatever floats your goat |
| 23:07.41 | anotherus3r | shtrb: :) good night |
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| 23:08.40 | teraflops | anotherus3r: sorry I just joined, are you pissed because openvpn appends dns entries in /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 23:09.09 | anotherus3r | sypher: What did you mean by Because that's odd behavior. |
| 23:09.11 | anotherus3r | btw? |
| 23:09.51 | anotherus3r | teraflops: Not really, I want to get ride of the ISP DNS Server actually. |
| 23:10.00 | anotherus3r | servers* |
| 23:10.25 | teraflops | nothing related to openvpn? |
| 23:10.34 | cyphix | I have a package that is installed as a dependancy, but I don't know from which package. How can I check which packaged has it as a dependancy? |
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| 23:11.02 | teraflops | !resolvconf |
| 23:11.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, resolvconf is a package that can be used to manage your /etc/resolv.conf (the file that contains your DNS settings). Packages like ppp, ifupdown, dhcp-client, ... are compatible with it. Ask me about <fixresolvconf>, <resolv.conf>, <override dns> |
| 23:11.16 | teraflops | ah override dns |
| 23:11.29 | teraflops | !override dns |
| 23:11.29 | dpkg | To instruct dhclient to use your specified nameserver rather than the one given by your DHCP server, echo "supersede domain-name-servers a.b.c.d, e.f.g.h;" >> /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf, or see man 5 dhclient.conf for more information. Instead of supersede, you can use "prepend" or "append" to add nameservers. Or remove domain-name-servers (etc.) from "request" in dhclient.conf if you prefer. |
| 23:12.36 | DeaDSouL | Hi, how can I check the maximum speed of an aggregated dual ports ? the iperf as far as I know would test the maximum speed between two boxes. not how maximum each box is capable of |
| 23:13.44 | anotherus3r | teraflops: I already use prepend domain-name-servers 46.227.67.134, 192.165.9.158; in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf but then I have 4 nameservers in resolv.conf, 2 from VPN and 2 from ISP. |
| 23:14.00 | anotherus3r | teraflops: I just want to use the 2 DNS servers from VPN. |
| 23:14.09 | nbastin | dpkg: one small point, removing domain-name-servers doesn't actually stop the server from sending you that data, and dhclient-script doesn't know you didn't ask for it and will still act on the value |
| 23:14.10 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, nbastin |
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| 23:14.39 | nbastin | oh, that's a bot... |
| 23:14.54 | nbastin | well someone fix its response.. :-) |
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| 23:17.52 | teraflops | anotherus3r: that's what I asked^ |
| 23:19.04 | anotherus3r | teraflops: ah ok, do you know how to fix it? :) |
| 23:19.34 | teraflops | anotherus3r: I tried several things, the only thing that worked was having 127.0.0.1 in /etc/resolv.conf and using unbound or similar |
| 23:20.39 | anotherus3r | teraflops: But if I change /etc/resolv.conf then after some few minutes DHCP overwrites it? |
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| 23:21.12 | nbastin | anotherus3r: if the server sends a dns server, yes (and you haven't modified dhclient-script in some way) |
| 23:21.16 | teraflops | anotherus3r: openvpn appends dns servers but do not delete the existing ones, and that means possible dns leakage |
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| 23:22.28 | teraflops | anotherus3r: nope, well because you told your dhcpclient to do so |
| 23:23.29 | teraflops | anotherus3r: read the override dns factoid |
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| 23:26.14 | anotherus3r | nbasting: I did just modified the dhclient.conf http://paste.debian.net/928130/ |
| 23:26.51 | anotherus3r | prepend domain-name-servers 46.227.67.134, 192.165.9.158; <- this is the DNS servers from VPN provider. I only want to use them, no other. |
| 23:27.06 | teraflops | openresolv does not work the same at debian as in archlinux, I wonder if they are the same software |
| 23:27.46 | teraflops | anotherus3r: but your openvpn provider pushes dns? |
| 23:27.47 | nbastin | anotherus3r: so, I'm trying to backtrack to where you started, lest anything I say be completely stupid... :-/ |
| 23:27.55 | nbastin | anotherus3r: you only want to use the VPN DNS when you are connected to the VPN, no? |
| 23:28.13 | anotherus3r | teraflops: if I dont change dhclient.conf and add prepend domain-name-servers, then the openVPN itself doesnt add any DNS server in /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 23:28.42 | teraflops | anotherus3r: idk about 3rd party vpn providers, try it and see |
| 23:28.50 | anotherus3r | nbastin: I could use them always. |
| 23:28.58 | nbastin | anotherus3r: this dhclient.conf is for dhclient that runs on the tun interface after the VPN is up? or is this the dhclient that is running on the physical interface that goes to your ISP connection? |
| 23:28.58 | teraflops | anotherus3r: I prefer running my own one |
| 23:29.21 | teraflops | anotherus3r: because their configs at the server side⦠|
| 23:29.37 | nbastin | anotherus3r: if you could use them always just put them in /etc/resolv.conf and disable it being written by dhclient or openvpn entirely, and avoid the whole issue, if I understand you properly |
| 23:29.38 | anotherus3r | nbasting: I dont really know, it is the /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf |
| 23:30.02 | anotherus3r | teraflops: You want me to paste the openvpn.conf file? |
| 23:30.33 | anotherus3r | nbasting: How do I disable it being written by dhclient? |
| 23:31.18 | nbastin | anotherus3r: *most* of the time you can just remove the "domain-name-servers" option from the request line (line 23) |
| 23:31.49 | teraflops | anotherus3r: the client conf? no really |
| 23:32.13 | anotherus3r | nbastin: request subnet-mask, broadcast-address, time-offset, routers, domain-name, domain-name-servers, domain-search, host-name, dhcp6.name-servers, dhcp6.domain-search, |
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| 23:32.28 | anotherus3r | nbastin: Remove domain-name-servers from the request line? |
| 23:32.28 | nbastin | anotherus3r: yeah, just remove the domain-name-servers from that |
| 23:32.42 | teraflops | anotherus3r: there is a update-resolv-conf script for dealing with dns, I never used it though |
| 23:32.46 | nbastin | anotherus3r: as long as the upstream server is well-behaved, it will not send you the DNS servers, and dhclient won't write them |
| 23:33.52 | nbastin | if the upstream ignores you, you'll have to get more persistent, but that usually works |
| 23:35.20 | anotherus3r | nbastin: What if I uncomment and change # option domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1;? |
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| 23:35.38 | nbastin | anotherus3r: well then you better have a resolver installed on your local computer.. |
| 23:35.38 | anotherus3r | under lease |
| 23:36.09 | anotherus3r | and used the same DNS server as above prepend domain-name-servers 46.227.67.134, 192.165.9.158; |
| 23:36.14 | anotherus3r | ? |
| 23:36.22 | anotherus3r | nbastin: why? |
| 23:36.44 | nbastin | anotherus3r: if you set domain-name-servers to 127.0.0.1, that means 127.0.0.1 will get written into resolv.conf, and your computer will try to use itself to resolve names |
| 23:37.14 | nbastin | anotherus3r: if you use prepend then your other servers will get written first, and so things will mostly Just Work(tm), but setting 127.0.0.1 is unlikely to ever be right in your case |
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| 23:38.21 | nbastin | anotherus3r: the principle here is very simple - when your computer needs to contact a server to lookup a name, it uses the first one in the list that responds |
| 23:38.26 | anotherus3r | nbastin: Yes, thats want I mean. I have 4 nameservers now. 2 from VPN (first) and then 2 from ISP. |
| 23:38.29 | ILikeUnity7 | Hi |
| 23:38.35 | bazhang | hi |
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| 23:38.42 | ILikeUnity7 | What's a nameserver? |
| 23:38.48 | anotherus3r | DNS servers |
| 23:38.59 | ILikeUnity7 | What are those? |
| 23:39.03 | nbastin | anotherus3r: my understanding is that you don't want the ISP nameservers at all, right? |
| 23:39.10 | anotherus3r | nbasting: correctly |
| 23:39.19 | nbastin | anotherus3r: so just remove domain-name-servers from request and be DONE. |
| 23:39.34 | nbastin | anotherus3r: leave your prepend, and just stop asking the ISP for dns servers |
| 23:40.59 | anotherus3r | nbastin: Sorry for asking, but you say something about "as long as the upstream server is well-behaved, it will not send you the DNS servers, and dhclient won't write them |
| 23:41.21 | nbastin | anotherus3r: yes, but you won't know the answer to that question unless you actually change your dhclient.conf |
| 23:41.29 | anotherus3r | nbastin: So if DNS servers from VPN stop working, then dhclient will write the ISP DNS server anyway? |
| 23:41.38 | nbastin | anotherus3r: no |
| 23:41.51 | nbastin | anotherus3r: by upstream server i mean the ISP DHCP server |
| 23:42.14 | nbastin | anotherus3r: the "request" options are you asking it for various bits of information |
| 23:42.22 | nbastin | (ala, the request...) |
| 23:42.38 | nbastin | anotherus3r: it sends you back a DHCP lease with all of that requested information filled in |
| 23:42.45 | nbastin | anotherus3r: if you don't ask for domain-name-servers, it shouldn't send you any |
| 23:42.59 | nbastin | anotherus3r: and thus your dhclient will not write them into resolv.conf, because they won't be in the reply |
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| 23:44.42 | anotherus3r | nbastin: One thing I dont get is, why does DHCP write the Dns servers from ISP if the # option domain-name-servers field is comment? |
| 23:44.52 | anotherus3r | here is my dhclient.conf http://paste.debian.net/928130/ |
| 23:45.13 | nbastin | anotherus3r: because that line is an override, it's not controlling |
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| 23:45.33 | nbastin | anotherus3r: oh, well in the case of your "file", it's actually just a sample lease |
| 23:45.38 | nbastin | anotherus3r: and not even a configuration option |
| 23:46.09 | nbastin | anotherus3r: everything in your file in the #lease section is not real data, it's just a representative sample |
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| 23:46.47 | nbastin | anotherus3r: as long as you send the request domain-name-servers option (which you are), you are asking the DHCP server to send you DNS servers to use |
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| 23:46.56 | nbastin | anotherus3r: all you want to do is STOP asking for that information, since you don't want it anyhow |
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| 23:47.31 | anotherus3r | nbastin: yes, but why it then write my ISP DNS servers also, If I only ask for 46.227.67.134, 192.165.9.158? |
| 23:47.46 | nbastin | anotherus3r: you're not asking for those IPs |
| 23:48.01 | nbastin | anotherus3r: you're saying "please prepend these on the answers I get from the ISP" |
| 23:48.20 | nbastin | but you don't want any answers from the ISP, so all you have to do is not ask for them |
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| 23:48.50 | nbastin | I don't know how many times I can tell you to just remove the domain-name-servers request option...there's not really any more discussion to be had about it |
| 23:49.03 | nbastin | if you don't want DNS servers from your ISP, stop telling your dhclient to ask for them |
| 23:49.15 | anotherus3r | nbastin: I appreciate it, I'm just trying to understand things |
| 23:50.35 | anotherus3r | nbastin: What is the difference between prepend and not? |
| 23:51.02 | nbastin | well, what is "not" in this case? eliminate that line? |
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| 23:51.32 | nbastin | if you don't have the prepend domain-name-servers line, *and* you don't request any dns servers, then dhclient won't write to /etc/resolv.conf |
| 23:51.51 | nbastin | if you don't have the prepend line, but you still request dns servers, then dhclient will write the ISP DNS servers into /etc/resolv.conf (the default) |
| 23:52.09 | nbastin | if you have both the prepend line and the request line, then you get both sets of servers written into /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 23:54.05 | nbastin | anotherus3r: "prepend" is not a special DHCP token, it has the literal english meaning of "prepend", which is "insert before" |
| 23:54.27 | nbastin | anotherus3r: so you are literally requesting that dhclient "insert these dns servers before any others" |
| 23:54.38 | nbastin | it doesn't replace them, it just tells it where to write them (before others) |
| 23:55.05 | anotherus3r | nbastin: i see, so the prepend is a priority thing? |
| 23:55.12 | ILikeUnity7 | What paste website can I use to help anotherus3r |
| 23:55.28 | anotherus3r | ILikeUnity7: paste.debian.net |
| 23:55.29 | nbastin | anotherus3r: it ends up having that effect, yes, although it really just means ordering in the resolv.conf file |
| 23:55.34 | ILikeUnity7 | Thanks anotherus3r |
| 23:55.38 | anotherus3r | yw |
| 23:55.40 | anotherus3r | brb reboot |
| 23:56.16 | nbastin | ponders if anotherus3r rebooted to get dhcp to refresh.. :-/ |
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| 23:57.49 | ILikeUnity7 | anotherus3r left :( i uploaded the fix... |
| 23:58.40 | nbastin | he'll be back, methinks |
| 23:58.49 | nbastin | the only fix he needs is to remove domain-name-servers from the request |
| 23:59.10 | nbastin | (and then clean up any old crufty files left around with stale info in them) |
