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00:02.11SkaagYah I keep hitting it at various times and using it, but it's not always clear what you're even supposed to be looking for... in this case, udev stuff...
00:02.38Skaageven then it's not super obvious, for example this page sends me to /sys/device/platform/etc... but I don't see my network devices there
00:03.31SkaagI mean /sys/devices/pci*/*/*/net/ has only two folders, both are for my onboard ethernet adapters
00:03.37Skaagso the USB ethernet adapter is under some other path
00:03.49missmboboh. i didn't realize usb would be different
00:04.01SkaagI found it
00:04.08Skaagit's here: /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.0/usb2/2-3/2-3:1.0/net/enx70886b8186e4
00:04.24Skaagso now I need to make a rule to give it a sane name, here goes nothing...
00:04.54Skaag(sane, meaning, predictable so I can plug in a replacement in case the first one dies, and I don't get some new name based on some serial number or something)
00:05.37SkaagI ordered more of them, hopefully they will get here in the next few days so I can test and see if they get different names, or if they all get the same name because of some manufacturer serial number or something
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00:11.02magyar_hi, is there a way to disable one of the external monitors during boot?
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00:18.28Skaagwhat does that monitor show while your computer is booting?
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00:23.28MrBarhi
00:24.17MrBari try to install i386 pkg on amd64, but all deps of package installed amd64
00:25.51magyaris debian-next by invite only?
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00:28.48missmbobmagyar: it's on oftc, not freenode
00:29.46magyarthanks missmbob
00:30.34missmbobmagyar: would blanking both monitors while booting be okay?
00:31.07magyarmissmbob: would like to see the boot screen on the main screen
00:31.27missmbobi dont know how to do just one from term
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00:31.47jimcan I rm -rf a dir in /var/cache/apt-cacher-ng without screwing things up?
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00:32.24missmbobjim: is apt-cache-ng still installed?
00:32.40jim(someone moved their repo elsewhere) yes, still installed
00:33.06missmbobjim: i'd think you'd be safe deleting everything *in* it, but i'd leave the folder
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00:34.54missmbobso yes. i meant leave apt-cacher-ng folder
00:34.56jimmissmbob, I think what I was most afraid of, was if there was stuff elsewhere in that dir that "pointed" into the dir I want to delete... then I'd be left with dangling metadata
00:35.21missmbobjim: back it up. always
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00:43.53Vashtahey
00:44.03VashtaI've set up a Samba file share on my Debian 8 server (latest stable, all updateS)
00:44.25Vashtawhen I drag files across from my Windows 10 workstation to the file share I get a permissions error
00:44.36VashtaI can view the disk, but not modify it
00:44.50VashtaI have my username/password set in samba using smbpassword (or whatever the command was)
00:45.12VashtaI set the /media/hdd (where the drive is mounted) with chmod -r 0777
00:45.18Vashtaany idea what the issue is?
00:45.30missmbobVashta: most of us here know nothing about samba. i suggest you try #samba
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00:46.22Vashtathank you very much missmbob
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02:30.44SkaagI have a problem with a network interface that doesn't automatically go up on its own when the remote device is alive again... any idea how to make it go live automatically?
02:31.00psychoticwarriorifconfig wlan0 up
02:31.07psychoticwarriorip set wlan0 up
02:31.17Skaagthe interface is enp2s0 and it's an ethernet device
02:31.26SkaagI have auto enp2s0 in /etc/network/interfaces
02:31.42psychoticwarriorip link set enp2s0 up
02:31.49Skaagon the other end is a raspberry pi, also connected via ethernet, running Raspbian (debian for pi)
02:31.51psychoticwarriortry that
02:32.03Skaagit's up currently
02:32.22Skaagthe problem is when the pi dies or is rebooted, enp2s0 loses its IP address
02:32.26Skaagit's still up, just without an IP
02:32.50missmbobSkaag: you want allow-hotplug
02:33.10missmbobinstead of auto
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02:33.18Skaagah
02:33.28Skaaginstead or in addition to?
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02:34.36Skaagbecause I notice higher up in the default interfaces file there's a section for eth0 (even though it doesn't exist on my system), with "allow-hotplug eth0", and right under that: "auto eth0"
02:35.38missmbobSkaag: yeah, you're right. in addition to looks right
02:35.59Skaagthanks for that
02:36.03Skaagthat must be it
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02:46.56autofsckkhello im trying to install mariadb but i get this error https://bpaste.net/show/6b08f3bfb492  i cant find any usefull on my search
02:47.54autofsckkhttps://downloads.mariadb.org/mariadb/repositories/#mirror=limestone&distro=Debian&distro_release=jessie--jessie&version=10.1    i read that to know how to install it
02:48.58missmbobautofsckk: yeah, that's where you went wrong. everyone i've seen use their repositories has crashed and burned. you need to use debian's
02:49.11donofriohow can I get libxslt to see libxml2 that is in /app/Utilities/libxml2 - cd /app/source/libxslt-1.1.29 && ./configure --prefix=/app/Utilities/libxslt --with-python=/app/Utilities/libxslt && make && make install
02:49.36autofsckki think i also tried that and didnt work, had a different error but
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02:50.38missmbobi'd use dpkg to force remove it, remove their repository, try debian's. if you cant figure out if there's an error then we can try to help. third party repositories we cant do much about
02:52.15Skaagmissmbob: didn't help, the pi is now online again, and enp2s0 is up but without an IPv4 address
02:52.24Skaagdoes have an IPv6 address though, for some strange reason
02:52.56autofsckkmissmbob: can you guide me a litte please? i understand what i have to do but im new on debian, so first i have to get rid of the repository on sources.list i guess, but how do i remove it? apt-get remove and thats it? anything else?
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02:53.35missmbobSkaag: is the ipv4 static or dhcp? if dhcp can it be static?
02:53.47Skaagstatic
02:54.06Skaagin interfaces I set: iface enp2s0 inet static
02:54.12Skaagfollowed by its address and netmask below
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02:54.29SkaagI'm not sure what gave it an IPv6 address
02:54.41missmbobautofsckk: you'll probably have to do sudo dpkg --purge packagename for all the packages it tried installing.
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02:55.06missmbobSkaag: starts with fe80, right?
02:55.21Skaagyes, inet6 fe80::4714:ddc1:4eb:e705 to be exact
02:55.46missmbobSkaag: yeah that's link-local address only. it's not outside ip
02:56.05missmbobSkaag: i dont know what's going on with your ipv4, though. hopefully someone else here will have a guess
02:56.09pachahi, I am using fglrx (ATI propietary driver) and I have an AMD HD 6770 card. Is the free driver better?
02:56.46missmbobfglrx is dead. so you should use the free driver if it works for you
02:57.43pachamissmbob: I am aware, I am trying to switch to that one. should I apt-get remove --purge fglrx and install what package? I tried with xserver-xorg-ati (or something in those lines) but the xorg.conf file wasnt changed at all, is there a command to generate a config file?
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02:58.15pachaI already read the wiki, still stuck
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02:58.22autofsckkmissmbob: and after that just  apt-get install mariadb-server  and thats it?
02:58.58missmbobpacha: are you using jessie? in jessie the xorg file isn't needed in 99% of cases anymore. so just move it out of the way after you purge fglrx. oh and fglrx probably blacklisted the radeon driver
02:59.27missmbobpacha: so look in /etc/modprobe.d/  and see if there's ati or fglrx or anything blacklist. remove it
02:59.31pachamissmbob: yeah, Debian 8.7. how do I "whitelist" it? sorry for my newbieness.
02:59.54pachamissmbob: thanks man, will bother you later if it fails.
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03:00.12missmbobpacha: i'm heading to bed in a couple minutes. good luck though
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03:00.27pachamissmbob: good night man
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03:09.35johnfluxI'm trying to make a debian package and I have a service file that I need to install
03:09.47johnfluxbut I can't figure out how to install the service file properly
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03:13.53Skaagmissmbob: looks like I have NetworkManager active on that machine, I researched a bit and found this interesting feature: https://www.mankier.com/5/NetworkManager.conf#no-auto-default
03:13.58SkaagI'm trying it now
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03:28.53pachamissmbob: you still here?
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03:42.23Skaagpacha: even heroes need to sleep sometimes :)
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03:42.46Skaagjohnflux: you mean in /etc/init.d/ ?
03:43.16Skaagjohnflux: why not copy it there, make sure it has the proper LSB header at the top, and then invoke update-rc.d on it?
03:44.02Skaag(I'm referring specifically to Default-Start and Default-Stop)
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03:57.55deltapiI've been trying to find something in the discussion lists, but nothing is jumping up at me. Why does Stretch do away with ifconfig by default in a gui install?
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03:59.43pachaSkaag: it works way better now, wanted to thank him. and also ask how do I check which driver I am using
04:00.33Skaagpacha: you can check a few ways, the simplest is by looking at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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04:01.18Skaagyou can also try running xdriinfo
04:01.30pachaSkaag: thanks man
04:02.06johnfluxSkaag: hmm.  I thought etc/init.d was for the old initd scripts
04:02.14johnfluxSkaag: I'm talking about a serviced file
04:02.38Skaagah, new style :)
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04:05.10pachaSkaag: do you know when the next Debian testing will go into stable?
04:05.43Skaagno idea, I'm very out of touch with it to be honest
04:06.20pachaDebian Jessie's packages are gettign quite old
04:06.49SkaagI'm on stretch myself, on most of my hardware, works fine for me
04:06.57Skaagdepends what you need to do, of course
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04:07.25Skaagthat's always been an issue with debian, it's nothing new... when you need a desktop environment with bleeding edges stuff, debian isn't always the best choice :)
04:07.44Skaagthat's why some people go to Gentoo or even Ubuntu
04:08.40SkaagI like that stability that debian offers with its packages, where stuff doesn't suddenly change on you and break stuff...
04:08.59pachaThat is the trade-off with old packages
04:09.03Skaagyep
04:09.15pachamost of the thing I use I compile them from source
04:09.19Skaagwhen something is super important, it does get brought in, even backported
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04:11.32pachais Ubuntu considered an awful distribution?
04:12.29Skaagnot for me, I think it's an awesome distro
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04:12.59SkaagI have tons of servers that run on ubuntu
04:13.11pachaI will probably switch to Stretch
04:13.46SkaagI use it on hardware devices, it works well
04:13.52pachathanks man for everything, good night
04:14.02Skaagthey fixed things I didn't even complain about so I'm happy ;)
04:14.08pachalast time it broke everything, couldnt even boot to tty
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04:14.20pachabut this was last year, probably works better now
04:14.27Skaagfor sure.
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04:32.29n3ocan anyone tell me how to get nftables to load a ruleset at boot
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04:32.49n3orunning sid
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04:33.36n3obut i am sure that it is no different on jessie
04:34.46n3oanyone?
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04:43.10missmbobn3o sudo systemctl enable nftables  will load on boot /etc/nftables.conf
04:44.11missmbobSkaag: probably late august. that's my guess anyway. https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ when the green line number goes to 0
04:44.42missmbobSkaag: i dont know anything about network-manager. though now it makes sense that interfaces file wasn't making sense
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04:45.54Atm0spher1clame question but how can I make wicd and interfaces(5) play nicely?
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04:46.16Atm0spher1cif i kill wicd, i cant connect using just ifup interface.
04:46.46Atm0spher1cip says its connected but I can't ping anything
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04:47.24missmbobAtm0spher1c: your interfaces is supposed to only have lo if you're using wicd
04:47.40missmbobAtm0spher1c: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Wicd
04:47.45Atm0spher1chmm, but wicd works fine on fresh reboot
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04:50.51Atm0spher1cyeah note says its fine to have wireless interface in interfaces conf file
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04:51.44missmbobnow optional and not required
04:51.55missmbobso you just dont want to use wicd interface?
04:52.14Atm0spher1cyes but keep it installed
04:52.33Atm0spher1cim managing another machine, so i don't want to remove it.
04:52.39Atm0spher1cfor someone else
04:53.00Atm0spher1clame, i know
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05:06.12awal1when i open a link like this  with firefox  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtU_mdL2vBM
05:06.47awal1what are those strange characters in title bar/video title?
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05:08.10awal1just a matter of curiosity bcoz I get same thng in other websites sometimes
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05:08.35awal1I was refering to 👽🌎
05:09.52missmbobawal1: this isn't a complete list...https://www.w3schools.com/charsets/ref_utf_symbols.asp
05:10.32awal1missmbob, ok, thanks
05:11.46awal1if I duckduckgo 👽🌎  I get an alian emoji/emiticon or I don't know how to call it  https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%F0%9F%91%BD%F0%9F%8C%8E&t=ffab&ia=answer
05:11.48awal1:)
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05:12.52awal1nvm, I understood  now  (missmbob link)
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05:38.32fignutI'm trying to get my HP printer working under Debian. I've installed cups and hplip and I can see the printer via usb connection, after setting it up in cups, I try a test page but get a "filter error". Am I missing anything? Running Debian Stretch, Printer is HP LaserJet Pro MFP M26nw (hplip shows LaserJet Pro MFP M126nw as driver).
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05:48.47abff,v nouveau
05:48.48juddNo package named 'nouveau' was found in amd64.
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05:49.12missmbob,i xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
05:49.13juddPackage xserver-xorg-video-nouveau (x11, optional) in jessie/amd64: X.Org X server -- Nouveau display driver. Version: 1:1.0.11-1; Size: 304.0k; Installed: 499k; Homepage: http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/
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05:51.19missmbobfignut: i dont see mfp m26 as supported by hplip http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/supported_devices/combined.html
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05:55.35johnfluxWhy is the libpng16 package called:  libpng16-16  ?
05:55.50johnfluxI'm trying to work out if it's correct for my package to depend on "libpng16-16"
05:56.12johnflux,v libpng16
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05:56.19johnflux,v libpng16-16
05:56.20juddPackage: libpng16-16 on amd64 -- sid: 1.6.28-1; stretch: 1.6.28-1; experimental: 1.6.29-1
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06:12.41AeoAtm0spher1c, what happens?
06:12.50Aeooops, was scrolled up
06:12.53Aeomy bad
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06:23.06confreyhi everybody
06:23.08fignutmissmbob: HP's whole naming system is confusing and stupid. That model shows up as LaserJet Pro MFP M25-27 on their website, and I had another HP printer LaserJet Pro MFP M130fw that shows up as m129-m134..
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06:24.30confreyI'm trying to use a debian testing installation, I have two problems : LibreOffice don't open files on a ssh server, the second : trying to use compiz, I miss the gtk-window-decorator component
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06:24.59Aeoconfrey, sshfs?
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06:27.20confreyAeo, I can use all files on remote computer (a smaller notebook I use only out of home) by mounting it in PCManFM, I can browse directory and copy and paste files; only LibreOffice gives me an error about I/O error while reading from gvfs
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06:29.58Aeoconfrey, does it work when you use sshfs without going through the indirecetion of gvfs
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06:32.31confreyAeo, I didn't know sshfs, I'll try that
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06:47.57confreytrying to use sshfs, I have this directory : d??????????  ? ?    ?          ?            ? dario-Yoga
06:48.47confreywhatìs happening? I've mount the remote dir with sshfs, but it was not readble; then I have this as local mount point and now I can't delete it
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06:52.29jellyconfrey: you don't have permissions to look at that the contents of the folder that file resides in.  Perhaps it's missing +x
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06:53.31jellyconfrey: use "fusermount -u /path/to/mountpoint" to umount fuse-based mountpoints like sshfs
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06:58.54confreyjelly, I did it; the remote resource is not mounted anymore, but the mount point is not accessible
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07:00.17jellyconfrey: did it succeed?  You need to do it as the same user that did the mounting (that ran sshfs)
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07:01.25jellyconfrey: show the output of "ls -ld /absolute/path/to/mount/point" and "df /absolute/path/to/mount/point"
07:01.32confreyI can't read as user, neither as root
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07:02.04jellythat usually means umount did not really work
07:02.33confreyI haven't tha mount point in df result
07:02.35jellynot being able to access as root is normal.
07:02.45jellySHOW, don't tell
07:03.04jelly!paste
07:03.04dpkgDo not paste more than 2 lines to this channel.  Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics.  Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB.  Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!  Cannot cut and paste?  Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
07:03.06confreyhow may I show, there are more lines
07:03.12confreyok
07:03.32jellythere is just one relevant line of output for each of those two commands
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07:05.00Guest37422filezilla is giving me permissions denied on SFTP
07:05.12confreyhttp://paste.debian.net/928657/
07:05.15Guest37422Do I have to allow root login
07:05.25Guest37422Or can I change the non-sudo file permissions for a user?
07:05.27confreyjelly, http://paste.debian.net/928657/
07:05.37confreyjelly, and, many thanks
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07:07.16jellyconfrey: so the mountpoint for that sshfs was actually "/media/dario-Yoga" ?
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07:07.42confreyjelly, solved, I used fusemount -u  as dario user and now the mount point is clean
07:07.45confreybut
07:08.07confreyI have changed the fuse.conf line allowing other user
07:08.13confreynow I try again
07:08.18jellyokay.  Note that's what I told you to do 7 minutes ago
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07:09.30jellyyou do not need to edit config files tho, sshfs allows command line options including fuse options, like "sshfs -o reconnect,allow_root server:/path /mount/point"
07:10.06jelly[9:04] ~ => sshfs -o allow_root,reconnect,idmap=user,gid=1000 kanta.nn:/d/mp3 mnt/kanta
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07:11.15confreyjelly, excuse me, sometime I am a bit confusing about
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07:12.15jellynp.  It's important to be precise following the instructions when you're getting help online.  If you're not sure what we're asking you to do, ask for clarification
07:13.26confreyjelly, it's right
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07:14.05confreynow I have a secondary problem, I can't follow symbolic links on remote directories
07:14.16jellythat's how symlinks always work.
07:14.31jellyif you need the
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07:15.08jellym to work over a remote mount, make sure to use relative symlinks, and mount all the filesystems containing them
07:15.12txsoft links store a reference to the path to the target resource
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07:15.15confreybut if I use the server remote mounting provided by PCManFM and Caja I can see right icons and follw symbolic links
07:15.33jellyshow an example.
07:15.36tx(that is why they do not work on network shares, typically, unless the structure of the mount / path is the same)
07:15.50jellyls -l /path/to/some/symlink
07:16.18jellyand ls -l /where/you/expect/the/symlink/to/point
07:16.39confreyok
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07:17.13jellyif fact, use ls -ld for both.
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07:17.30jellyin* fact (I can't type today)
07:18.04txSame, coffee has made it worse. :(
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07:18.28confreymay be I understood
07:19.59confreyI have the symbolic links on the remote system pointing to destinations as they belong to the local system, but there are existing on it
07:20.20confreylrwxrwxrwx 1 dario dario 21 gen  2 18:01 /media/dario-Yoga/Documenti -> /media/dati/Documenti
07:20.52confreythis is the symlink on the remote noteb, but I see it as if it is a local symlink, is it normal?
07:21.13jellysymlinks ALWAYS get interpreted locally
07:21.42confreyof course I haven't a /media/dati/Documenti in my local noteb, it exists in remote noteb and I need to access it
07:21.58jellythen you have to mount /media/dati as well
07:22.24jellyor, alternatively, mount the root / of the remote system, and make all those remote symlinks relative
07:23.18confreyso have I to mount the remote /media/dati too... but that operation will exlude the local /media/dati already mounted on local system; how get I a workaround for this?
07:23.45jellyavoid using same mountpoints with different data? :-)
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07:23.58jellyor, mount the root / of the remote system, and make all those remote symlinks relative
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07:25.28confreyjelly, I appreciate your patience, very much, but I don't understand about 'symlinks relative', what is a relative symlink
07:25.34jellyso eg. sshfs remote:/ /media/remote; ls -ld /media/remote/home/dario/Documenti
07:26.02jellylrwxrwxrwx 1 dario dario 21 gen  2 18:01  /media/remote; ls -ld /media/remote/home/dario/Documenti -> ../../media/dati/Documenti
07:26.33ackbconfrey, maybe a symlink using a relative path such as '../bin' instead of an absolute one like '/usr/bin' ?
07:27.14jellyconfrey: so inside /home/dario (on the remote system), delete the current symlink, and make "ln -s ../../media/dati/Documenti" instead
07:28.15confreyjelly, interesting, I'll try now
07:28.56jellythis is just for convenience.
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07:30.24jellyif you mount remote:/ with sshfs, you'll be able to access /media/remote/media/dati/Documenti directly as well
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07:32.16confreyjelly, yes, I did it, you guys are a really precious resource
07:32.26confreymany thanks
07:32.52confreyfirst problem solved, I can open a calc doc with libreoffice on the remote directory
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07:34.11confreynow I really like ot use compiz on this lxde DE, but it seems gtk-window-decorator is missing, and I can't find any pkg about for testing
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07:37.08jellyjudd: file bin/gtk-window-decorator --release stretch
07:37.12juddSearch for bin/gtk-window-decorator in stretch/amd64: compiz-gnome: usr/bin/gtk-window-decorator
07:37.48jelly!search
07:37.48dpkgPlease search for things rather than just asking, e.g. «apt-cache search regex», or with <aptitude search>.  The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): «dpkg -S /bin/foo», <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and «/msg judd help file» (bot).  <search dpkg> for factoids.  See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>.  See also <axi-search> <debtags> <dlocate>.
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07:39.43confreyjelly, OK, understood....
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07:54.05jellyconfrey: you can ask the bots about stuff in private, eg. "/msg judd file gtk-window-decorator" or "/msg dpkg apt-file"
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07:54.38confreyjelly, perfect, thanks
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07:57.28heller__hey
07:57.41heller__How can i see which ip is a ssh-tunnel made from?
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07:59.33volterheller__: netstat or lsof
08:00.04joltheller__: netstat -anpt|grep :22
08:00.45Stummiheller__, echo $SSH_CONNECTION
08:00.54Stummi(assuming you are within the ssh tunnel)
08:00.55heller__i do know what port is it using
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08:01.13heller__im on the host where the device is connecting to
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08:02.35heller__jolt: that seems to show something, but it shows too many
08:02.53heller__i need to know what ip is a certain ssh-tunnel made from
08:03.52joltheller__: Well, then there are a lot of ssh connections, hard for me to know which ones are relevant I'm afraid
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08:04.40heller__jolt: is is possible to see which of the "netstat -anp|grep :22" is making a certain port locally?
08:04.41joltheller__: If you know the user, then use "w <user>" and it will show where they logged in from
08:04.46heller__same user
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08:06.44gardyany idea, is there any hard drive surface testing tool for cli?
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08:07.41joltgardy: Isn't that part of SMART?
08:07.50gardyhmm does it?
08:07.57jellyheller__: you probably want to first find the port forward, identify the process that opened it, then identify which remote connection that user came from
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08:08.56heller__jelly: and fint it how? :)
08:09.09joltgardy: I think so. smartctl from smartmontools
08:09.14heller__find*
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08:09.24jellyheller__: maybe by grepping for the forwarded port first, not 22
08:09.53joltgardy: then you can run an extensive self test and see if it reports something. There are probably other software that I don't know about as well
08:10.26jellys/forwarded/tunneled/ if you will
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08:10.45jellyheller__: how do you know there's a tunnel at all?
08:10.55heller__jelly: because the device behind the tunnel is working
08:11.10heller__i know there is a 127.0.0.1:12000 open
08:11.19heller__but i need to know where is it coming from
08:11.30jellyheller__: so find out which process opened a listener on 127.0.0.1:12000
08:11.34jellyor *:12000
08:11.50joltgardy: there is something called diskscan among the packages that might be useful. Haven't tried it. I just did "apt search drive test"
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08:12.02jellythat would be the first step
08:12.32n3oanybody know why solydx was changed to a stable version from the old rolling release?
08:12.41jellywhat's solydx?
08:12.58gardyjolt, yep there is some, i just trying to find that what makes the job :)
08:13.03n3oversion of debian
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08:13.27jellyn3o: there was never a release of debian called like that
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08:13.40jelly!solydx
08:13.41dpkgSolydX is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on debian> with the XFCE desktop environment.  It is not supported in #debian, use #solydxk on irc.freenode.net instead.  http://solydxk.com/products/solydx/
08:14.04jellyah, it's a derivative distro.  Ask in their channel, n3o
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08:14.24n3ojelly: https://solydxk.com/
08:14.26joltThere must be soooo many derived versions these days
08:14.54jellythey are not Debian, however
08:15.51cammiei have a networking question. if i use 20 usb wifi adapters and attatch them to a single server, will i be able to use a genuine unique nic / mac in a vm environment or on a hypervisor managing 20 paralells
08:16.17gardyit is WLAN
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08:17.11gardybut sure, if these adapters laying in usb 2.0 ports, then their speed isnt any great :)
08:17.27cammiei have access to 3 wired / wireless network configs
08:17.28cammieand ye
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08:17.46cammieper 1 server
08:17.52dokmaShouldn't this block all connections from an IP?
08:17.57dokmaiptables -L -n --line-numbers | grep 46.229.168.65
08:18.03dokma11   REJECT     all  --  46.229.168.65        0.0.0.0/0            reject-with icmp-port-unreachable
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08:18.22joltdokma: In the INPUT chain?
08:19.06dokmamy bad... it was in the fail2ban-postfix
08:19.35joltnp
08:20.46cammie??
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08:23.49cammieim just going to buy them and hope this works lol
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08:30.01gardyhow  i get that cli semigraphical interface for managing LVM what we have on debian installer?
08:30.24gardydpkg -reconfigure *what*?
08:30.26dpkggardy: no idea
08:30.35gardyxD
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08:50.08gardyany help? :o
08:51.14bazhangwith what
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08:54.17gardyhow  i get that cli semigraphical interface for managing LVM what we have on debian installer?
08:54.38gardyand i mean that text based installer
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08:54.57Ricohello
08:55.12Ricowhat is the correct syntax to add comments to a file in /etc/apt/preferences.d/ ?
08:55.20jellygardy: I think the whole partition editor thing is only part of the installer code, there's no standalone equivalent
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08:55.31gardy:/
08:55.33Rico<PROTECTED>
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08:56.03jellyRico: man apt_preferences
08:56.05gardythat really is handy tool for lvm managment
08:56.14jellysee if it says anything about comments, Rico
08:57.34Ricothanks jelly, found it
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09:59.48andyjpbhello
09:59.59andyjpbI've just upgraded my Lenovo X240 from Wheezy to Jessie
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10:00.08andyjpbI'm running XFce4 and XScreensaver
10:00.29andyjpbwhen the screensaver is active for a long period when I try to revive the machine the screen shows black
10:00.34andyjpbthe pointer is rendered but nothing els
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10:00.58andyjpbthe pointer seems trapped towards the middle of the screen consistent with the Xscreensaver dialogbox being active
10:01.09andyjpbif I type the password that goes away and I can move the pointer all around the screen
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10:01.17andyjpbbut everything else is still black
10:01.34andyjpbif I switch to a VT and kill xscreensaver and switch back it does not resolve the problem
10:01.48andyjpbI have to restart the xserver to recover it
10:02.00andyjpbdoes anyone have any ideas how I can debug this futher and/or fix it?
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10:03.32andyjpbthe wifi here is flaky. If I fall off I'll be back!
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10:37.26Eryn_1983_FLhi peeps
10:37.43Eryn_1983_FLso I am having an issue with /puppet/fuse/sshfs/mounts/fml
10:38.09Eryn_1983_FLmy puppetmaster is remounting my sshfs shares i have added to it..
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10:39.01Eryn_1983_FLis there a way i can write something to forse sshfs remounts to fail ok?
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10:39.21Eryn_1983_FLi dont understand why its trying to remount in the first place, the drive is mounted leave it alone..
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10:49.19RyuSo it turned out my server was compromised due to IP theft
10:49.23Guest96763Wasn't even aware that was possible
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10:56.48blackflowGuest96763: ?
10:57.20Guest96763blackflow: I submitted a ticket and they said it was compromised due to IP theft
10:57.37blackflowGuest96763: the solusvm issue from yesterday?
10:57.42Guest96763Yeah
10:57.57Guest96763They gave me a fresh new server to avoid any further issues
10:58.02blackflowmore like incompetence on the host side
10:58.38blackflowsomeone consulted the BOfH list of excuses and the dart hit "IP theft"
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10:59.00Guest96763Possibly, but luckily I wasn't running anything super important on it
10:59.15blackflowexcept password
10:59.58blackflowyou also used passwords to log in via ssh, so if you're sharing it with any other machines/services, it's time to change everything
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11:00.51blackflowI'd also hasten the migration to another host if I were you (though if I'd never use solusvm to begin with).
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11:02.19BluesKajHowdy folks
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11:06.54g0zzyCan't try this right now unfortunately but can you do telinit 3 on Jessie to go out of graphical and into multi-user?
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11:13.22g0zzyI just answered my own question: no
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11:15.31g0zzyBut one of the big points that was pushed about systemd is that it makes services and their deps predictable and controllable. So it should be easy to 'telinit 3' shouldn't it. Just have to find the right runes
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11:19.59jelly!nodm
11:20.00dpkgIn systemd, "systemctl set-default multi-user.target", or remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove gdm3 kdm lightdm lxdm nodm sddm slim wdm xdm".  "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console.  nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (http://www.enricozini.org/sw/nodm/).
11:21.09g0zzyActually it does invoke - it's just so badly broken. It takes down the network for one thing
11:21.50g0zzyjelly: But i don't _want_ to remove my DM thanks ;)
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11:23.12g0zzyI just want to toggle at will with one command like i used to be able to with sysvinit. Should be much _easier_ under systemd - right?
11:23.45blackflowg0zzy: systemd's variant of telinit is systemctl isolate.   Moar info: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SysVinit_to_Systemd_Cheatsheet
11:24.28g0zzyblackflow: Thanks. Just tried that too. BlackOUT
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11:25.31g0zzy.. as in i lose my display entirely (i don't go to a console) and i lose my network connection or at least my ssh connection to the box
11:25.40blackflowg0zzy: hit a key, the console login has a sort of screensaver
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11:26.55blackfloweh if you're doing this over the network, not sure that'd work. you're using X over ssh?
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11:28.48g0zzyI just plugged in a keyboard into the box. I can see a black screen with a flashing caret up at the top left.
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11:29.05jellyg0zzy: that's why there are 3-4 options listed by dpkg?
11:30.16missmbobg0zzy: so are you looking at tty9? i think it's 9. that's what the dm attaches to. can you alt+arrow ?
11:30.45g0zzy"systemctl isolate multi-user.target (OR systemctl isolate runlevel3.target OR telinit 3) " == "Change to multi-user run level. "
11:30.52g0zzymissmbob: Shall try
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11:33.43g0zzymissmbob: yes, thanks - that worked. Needless to say that shouldn't be necessary. ifconfig shows me that 'telinit' has taken the network down.
11:34.38missmbobg0zzy: also for your ssh problem, try using mosh. it's really useful for wifi or any situation when you can have dropped packets and keeps your ssh connection alive
11:34.54missmbobg0zzy: https://mosh.org/
11:35.30missmbobg0zzy: oh, the whole network? not just ssh?
11:35.55g0zzyyes. It's taken everything but lo down
11:37.19blackflowg0zzy: perhaps because those were managed by NM, does NM run in multi-user.target?
11:37.48g0zzyYou're probably right
11:38.18modlesHey all
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11:40.02g0zzyblackflow: how would i find out if NM does btw?
11:40.16modlesdoes anything look weird about this lsusb output? I have no usb input, mouse/keyboar / usb drive not working, https://pastebin.com/fpmDHRFp
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11:41.06blackflowg0zzy: I suppose pgrep -ai network
11:42.06g0zzyblackflow: ah no - i mean by dependency graphing
11:42.09blackflowg0zzy: then again, if you don't manually set up interfaces (even for dhcp) in /etc/network/interfaces* then NM probably manages them for graphical environments.
11:42.23blackflowg0zzy: eh I'm not that versatile with systemctl
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11:43.20g0zzyDon't worry. Sucks bigtime, this kind of thing
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11:51.37g0zzy>>In systemd, "systemctl set-default multi-user.target"
11:51.37g0zzySo i'm wondering whether that would actually work without breaking the network
11:52.37jellyI honestly do not know if NetworkManager fires up when you log in at the console
11:52.52jellythere's nmcli to configure things
11:53.21jellytry it and see
11:54.29missmbobit does if you go to edit connections->select connection->edit->automatically connect to this network when it is available *and* all users may connect to this network
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11:54.56jellyand if it fails you have options.  There's the legacy Debian thing that is ifupdown and /etc/network/interfaces, there's systemd-networkd (sp?)
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11:58.53blackflowg0zzy: I'd start with setting up the network via /etc/network/interfaces.d/<your-nic-name>, as NM shouldn't touch those interfaces
11:59.12g0zzy>> it does if you go to edit connections->select connection->edit->automatically connect to this network when it is available *and* all users may connect to this network
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11:59.25g0zzyYou mean that should bring up the network?
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11:59.40missmbobi think so. i dont use nm. give it a shot
12:00.42g0zzyI think the moral of the story is that stuff is too broken to 'toggle' between having/not having a desktop
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12:01.03blackflowg0zzy: NM manages interfaces not manually set via /etc/network/interfaces* afaik, so if you have it set up there, NM won't touch it and, at least I think, won't bring them down when switching to runlevel 3
12:01.28missmbobblackflow: depending on nm's config. default is to ignore interfaces iirc
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12:02.11g0zzyYes, there's a NM policy. Same actors, same mess
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12:16.17g0zzyThanks for the support folks
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12:22.41twoFOR THOSE THAT HAVENT SEEN IT: JASON BANDY'S EFNET NEWS EPISODE 18 IS OUT: https://youtu.be/W6G34pPE8LU <- EMOTIONAL TIMES - THE DRAMA IS REAL
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12:34.19Samsa_hi. I need to buy a new (ord old) laptop. could anyone recommend a decent laptop with hardware that works well with debian?
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12:37.17jellySamsa_: what's your budget
12:37.55jellyand do you have objections to having to use non-free firmware
12:38.16jellywhich is not part of debian (at least, not by default)
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12:42.56FreddyPI got a used lenovo thiinkpad for £200 runs debian like a charm
12:43.22kashakaWhat was the name of that game that improves short term memory? Blink, Blinx, Blint?
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12:43.57FreddyPkashaka: i forgot
12:45.11jellylol
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12:45.32demensDo you know the compilation flag to identify the kernel's version ?
12:46.23StummiSamsa_, if you were happy with your thinkpad, just buy a new (old) one? They are generally popular among linux users
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12:46.48jellyI also got a refurb T420s thinkpad for $250
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12:47.44jellybut I'm fussy about keyboard layouts and trackpoint
12:47.46StummiT420 here (without s)
12:48.12FreddyPthats the one i got for 200
12:48.20uniToschT440s with fhd screen is about twice that much. might need iwlwifi from non-free, though.
12:48.36andyjpbyeah. almost all the new thinkpads need that firmware
12:49.03Samsa_jellly, stummi: had a thinkpad over 10 years ago, loved it, now I've got a compaq... that is not that great. ok,, but maybe I will check out the new thinkpad models. but i've also heard they easily overheat etc, (like thinkpad edge,, etc)
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12:49.38StummiSamsa_, stay with the T-Series
12:49.41Samsa_jelly, stummi: my budget is around 3000 swedish :-,,, thats maybe around 300 euro
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12:50.01Samsa_stummi,, allright,,, will check my local "dealers"
12:50.10StummiSamsa_, should be easy to get a T420 with some upgrades with that
12:50.23jellyright, an ssd and 8-16 GB RAM
12:50.33jellymakes a very nice machine
12:51.35Samsa_that model might be above my budget... maybe I can find a second hand / used one
12:52.09jellyyou can _only_ get used ones.  Those are 2011 models.
12:52.38Samsa_im on a compaq 6q61 at the moment anyway,,, and it will die any second.
12:52.45Samsa_jelly, ok.
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12:54.31FreddyPSamsa: The only upgrade I did on my T420 was to put an SSD in it
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12:55.27StummiInternal SSD, 16GB RAM, replaced the DVD Drive with a HDD Adapter and 2TB HDD
12:55.34jellyand it can take a mSATA ssd in addition to a normal SATA device
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12:57.36g0zzyI've a vague recollection that jessie broke apache2 configuration per wheezy. Could someone kindly give me a clue as to why a site i just configured doesn't appear when i do a2ensite?
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12:59.16Samsa_dammit,,, I really hate all the options. and on top of that Im not really sure I should get a laptop... maybe a desktop computer would suit my needs better. which desktop computer got best support for debian? I dont like to mess around with hardware etc,,, just want it to work.
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13:00.09g0zzyGot it: the file has to end in .conf now. Grr
13:00.13jellySamsa_: that's a tough question.  In general, pick a hardware platform that's at least 1 generation behind, possibly with intel onboard gpu.
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13:00.46Samsa_jelly, good advice, thanks
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13:01.19jellyinvestigate details by looking up possible machines on google, results with "lspci" outputs and what other users say worked on linux and what they had problems with
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13:02.46jellyg0zzy: it's very likely changes like these are documented in Release Notes
13:02.52jelly!jessie release notes
13:02.52dpkgRelease notes for Debian 8 "Jessie" are at http://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/releasenotes .  See also <wheezy->jessie>, <install guide>.
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13:20.08dannysantosi am connecting through ssh to server. my rsa key has a password. when i connected the first time on my debian to a ssh server it asked for a password through a fullscreen gui. now it doesn't asks anymore for the password. I would like it to ask for a password everytime. how can I achieve this? Thank you
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13:28.43Samsa_ok, I think a gonna go with a thinkpad. found a second hand dealer. they got both T420, T430 and T530; is the hardware support equal in all these models (i.e for the debian), or is the hardware support most specific to T420?
13:29.10joltdannysantos: Not sure since I don't use it, but I guess that has with gnome-keychain to do
13:29.19joltOR whatever it's called these days
13:29.25Samsa_is=are (my bad english)
13:30.24dannysantosjolt: thank you. is there a gui to manage gnome-keychain?
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13:32.18dannysantosjolt: and I don't have gnome-keychain command. I have a gnome-keyring command though...
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13:35.46LopeI've got jessie installed in a chroot on my samsung galaxy s3 using Lil-Debbie app. dpkg --print-architecture says armel. I've used it for about a year but now it won't apt-get update. This is the error: W: Failed to fetch http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/Release  Unable to find expected entry 'universe/binary-armel/Packages' in Release file (Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file)
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13:36.47LopeI tried `dpkg --remove-architecture armel` "dpkg: warning: cannot remove non-foreign architecture 'armel'"
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13:37.19LopeI added armhf architecture and dpkg --print-foreign-architecture shows it :/
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13:40.21Lopedpkg -l shows all my packages are armel
13:40.21dpkgNo packages found matching shows all my packages are armel
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13:42.03somiajLope: I don't think you can change your default/base arch, you can't remove/change this afiak
13:42.12somiajif you want to change the base you may ahve to reinstall.
13:42.48somiajin this case you may have to create a new chroot
13:42.59LopeI tried `apt-get -a=armhf update` but it said: "E: Command line option 'a' [from -a=armhf] is not known."
13:43.16somiajcan I see your sources.list that is failing to update?
13:43.30Lopesomiaj: easier said than done hey. LilDebi is non-maintained now.
13:43.50Lopesomiaj: and I had to do my own hax to make it work (notes on it somewhere)
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13:44.20LopeI just have a single line at the moment: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian jessie main universe"
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13:45.16LopeI think I'll do a debootstrap install from this install, then move the root dir. Should work :)
13:45.20LopeBut I'll do it another time.
13:45.27LopeCan you confirm if armel has been discontinued?
13:45.38LopeI guess armhf should work on my Samsung Galaxy S3
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13:46.48Lopecat /proc/cpuinfo says ARMv7 Processor rev 0 (v7l) SMDK4x12 with features: "swp half thumb fastmult vfp edsp neon vfpv3 tls" which is a lot better than a RbPi 1 B+ for example, which is Armv6.
13:48.05somiajwhat is the universe? Debian doesn't have a universe, that is ubuntu
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13:48.15somiajremove universe from that line
13:48.18Lopeoh, schucks
13:48.47Lopeokay, running it.
13:48.49somiajyou want main, contrib and non-free are optional
13:49.03somiajbut univerise is not a thing and maybe what was causing your issue
13:49.12Lopethanks, just attempting with main
13:49.34LopeYeah that's the weird thing. Because Jessie armel seems to exist.
13:51.20Lopesuccess :)
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13:52.29Lopeok, sorted. False alarm. Pfew!
13:52.49LopeI guess I messed up my sources.list at some point. Thanks for spotting that somiaj!
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13:55.29Lopemy phone's SoC actually has vfpv3 support. (I compiled node.js on the phone with it and completed all tests etc) My Galaxy S5 also includes vfpv4. But I don't have linux running on that anymore. I couldn't get lilDebi working on it nicely.
13:55.58LopeAnyway, basically my point is that armhf refers to CPUs with vfpv3 and higher support. Which my S3 has. So armhf would be faster.
13:56.10LopeI get the sense that armel is entirely soft float.
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13:59.26bumbaris there a way to schedule machine boot?
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13:59.58greycatYou can set up a cron job to reboot, if that's what you want.
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14:00.58jhutchins_wkYou can also schedule one-time events with at.
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14:01.25greycatand shutdown(8) takes a TIME argument
14:01.26bumbarpower will be cut at the office, and i don't know for how long
14:01.33LopeI found methods for changing architecture, but it looks to dangerous to be worth attempting. I'd rather debootstrap a new one. https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/40463/how-to-convert-a-32-bit-x86-debian-based-system-to-64-bit
14:01.41cruncherbumbar, and if you mean to start the machine at specific time, depending on your bios you can set it there
14:01.55greycatIf you mean "I want my computer which is physically powered off to magically turn itself on", good luck with that.
14:02.52FreddyPMy mac has a option wake from a powercut i wonder if linux has the same functionality
14:02.58LopeWhy does jessie not have php7.0. Very behind the times
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14:03.40greycatBecause jessie was frozen in November 2015.
14:03.40Lopeare backports typically done for all architectures, or only the most popular?
14:03.52LopeWhat's the release cycle?
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14:04.10greycatSorry, November *2014*.
14:04.15greycat!jessie freeze
14:04.15dpkgRemember, remember, the fifth of November, gunpowder treason and plot!  Debian 8.0 "Jessie" was frozen on 2014-11-05; no new versions of packages will enter this release and a period of intense bug fixing has begun.  See http://release.debian.org/jessie/freeze_policy.html or ask me about <slushy>.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunpowder_Plot
14:04.37greycat!stretch freeze
14:04.38dpkgStretch is frozen as of 2017-02-05; see https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2017/02/msg00001.html or <freeze>, <slushy>.
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14:05.34Lopehow can stretch be frozen if there's no release date?
14:05.44greycatdpkg, jessie freeze =~ s/; no new versions of packages will enter this release and a period of intense bug fixing has begun//
14:05.45dpkggreycat: OK
14:06.05greycatIt releases when the release critical bugs are all gone.  Whether by being fixed, or by having those packages removed.
14:06.28LopeI see :) That's pretty cool.
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14:06.57LopeHowcome ubuntu tends to have newer software? Are they more relaxed about allowing critical bugs into their releases?
14:07.11PosterThe release cycles are different
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14:07.17greycatUbuntu is a completely different animal.  They release twice a year, like OpenBSD does.
14:07.35Lopegreycat: I'm referring to ubuntu LTS
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14:07.42greycatDebian has no fixed schedule, but in practice is once every 2-3 years.
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14:08.07Posterit's every 2 years with LTS, we're about 1 year into their latest LTS which was released 4/2016
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14:09.16benccwhat the 2 means in 2755 directory mod? is it safe for a font folder?
14:09.34greycatbencc: that's the setgid bit
14:09.54greycatsetgid on a dir means new files created inside that dir will inherit the dir's group ownership
14:09.54blackflowthe part I don't understand, Ubuntu takes from Debian Unstable, and yet there are differences in configuration to the point that some things are broken in Ubuntu, as if they don't fix after checking out from Unstable.
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14:10.48jhutchins_wkUbuntu isn't 100% modified Debian.  They do their own thing with a lot of the packages and include different software.
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14:11.11PosterI think part of that comes down to whether or not it's considered "broken" and/or important enough to "fix"
14:11.12benccgreycat: so it's not insecure in /user/local/share/fonts/<some-custom-font> ?
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14:12.04greycatIt's not a question of "secure" or "insecure".  You use setgid on a dir when you have a group of people who all want to work on the same project together.  The files created in the directory become group-owned by that dir's group, so everyone can edit them, **IF** everyone is also using an appropriate umask.
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14:12.32blackflowPoster: just fresh example, bind9 on Debian, the systemd unit file nicely considers the environment from /etc/defaults/bind9. On ubuntu, it doesn't. took me a while why when I was trying to force -4 to OPTION env
14:12.35greycatI can't imagine why you'd use it on a font directory, but it really doesn't matter.
14:13.12benccgreycat: when creating a directory with: mkdir -p /usr/local/share/fonts/myfont it automatically set it to 2755
14:13.28greycatI seriously doubt that.
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14:13.57greycatarc3:~$ mkdir -p /tmp/foo/bar; ls -ld /tmp/foo/bar
14:13.57greycatdrwxr-xr-x 2 wooledg voice 4096 Apr 21 10:13 /tmp/foo/bar
14:14.14greycatLooks like 755 to me, with my umask of 022.
14:14.55benccgreycat: sudo mkdir -p /usr/local/share/fonts/truetype/myfont
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14:15.25benccstat myfont/ Access: (2755/drwxr-sr-x)
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14:15.37benccgreycat: it does create it with 2755 mod
14:15.37greycatI bet it already existed, so your mkdir -p did nothing at all.
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14:15.48bumbarcruncher, found it in bios settings, thanks
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14:15.51blackflowdebian simply takes time to make sure things work before they're released, and they stay working like that for years. ubuntu constantly breaks stuff with a lot of changes and never bothers to fix or stabilize. the bind9 bug? still on xenial, almost a year now.
14:16.02benccgreycat: it wasn't. I doubled checked again
14:16.09benccgreycat: removed the folder and tried again
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14:17.11benccgreycat: /usr/local/share/fonts/ has 2755, /usr/share/fonts/ has 0755
14:17.13benccnot sure why
14:17.36benccchecked on another machine that I didn't worked on
14:18.43Posterblackflow: Yeah I think it is a byproduct of the different release cycles, in one camp you have "ready when ready" and the other you have "ready by this fixed date", they're bound to produce different results in some cases
14:19.06greycatbencc: looks like the setgid bit gets inherited from the parent directory
14:19.18blackflowPoster: that's okay. the problem is they don't stabilize or fix the LTS.
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14:20.24Posteryeah, someone somewhere decides what needs attention and what has to wait
14:20.50benccgreycat: should I change it to 0755? is there a security issue with using 2755?
14:21.06spleenHello. how to set up a task with "at" command with no prompt/no interactive mode ?
14:21.07benccgreycat: for example if I download a script instead of a font and someone execute that script
14:21.12greycatThere is no security issue.
14:21.43greycatI have no idea why jessie wants the fonts directories to be staff-writable, but that's what jessie is doing, so maybe there is some reason for it.  I don't know or care.
14:21.50greycatIf you have nobody in the staff group it won't matter.
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14:25.41blackflowsame convo going in #ubuntu :)
14:25.51jhutchins_wkI wonder how many of us are managing general purpose multi-user systems.
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14:26.16nkuttlerew, users..
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14:26.54jhutchins_wkI have systems that have multiple users, but they're all working on some component of the system.
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14:27.22jhutchins_wkWe also have multiple members of the admin team.
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14:28.46tepmurtHi guys! After dist-upgrading Debian from Jessie to Stretch, I have following problem: When creating a new password storage, I get error "-2": Error when opening the file". What could be the problem?
14:28.48jhutchins_wkSomething like an old University mainframe though, where multiple simultaneous users are doing things like word processing, irc, etc.
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14:30.44blackflowspleen: the manpage suggests there's /var/spool/at so maybe start there, maybe those files can be modified
14:31.04tepmurtSo basically, I can't configure KWallet to work, because I don't have and can't open any password storages
14:32.01tepmurtwhen opening kwalletmanager5 with sudo, it works though
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14:33.18tepmurtwith "password storage", I mean a wallet in KWallet
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14:34.13mtntepmurt: sounds like root owns some files in your home folder
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14:34.37mtntepmurt: if you start gui apps with sudo, root owns the files it uses
14:34.59blackflows/uses/creates
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14:37.48tepmurtmtn: Non-sudo-executing kwalletmanager5 in console outputs "Connecting to deprecated signal QDBusConnectionInterface::serviceOwnerChanged(QString,QString,QString)". Does that help?
14:39.19mtntepmurt: same answer, root  owns files it shouldn't own
14:40.31tepmurthow can I find these files?
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14:41.39mtntepmurt: if this is the problem, you can correct it with this command: sudo chown -R $USER:$USER /home/$USER/ -R     $USER = your username
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14:42.57buhletxrHi guys
14:43.18buhletxrI edited the file interfaces to put a static ip
14:43.28buhletxrbut can't run service network restart
14:43.33buhletxrhow is this done in debian?
14:43.34tepmurtmtn: Awesome, works! thank you!
14:43.45greycatbuhletxr: ifup name
14:43.57mtntepmurt: welcome. if you have to start a gui app as root, use gksudo, not sudo
14:43.58greycate.g. ifup eth1   if that's the name you created a definition for
14:44.29buhletxrcool
14:44.30buhletxrthanks
14:44.31buhletxrdone
14:44.41buhletxrand if machine reboots should come automatically
14:44.42buhletxrgreat
14:44.43buhletxrty
14:45.33greycatIf you included "auto eth1" or whatever in the interfaces file, yes.
14:45.42tepmurtmtn: ok, so kdesudo for kde
14:46.12buhletxryeh I did
14:46.13buhletxrok ty
14:46.19mtntepmurt: not sure the exact command kde uses
14:46.35buhletxrgreycat now I'll focus again on the xrdp xD haha
14:46.38buhletxrstill not solved ;)
14:47.03tepmurtmtn: yeah, kdesudo is the command
14:47.20buhletxractually works
14:47.30buhletxrbut I need to use root password
14:47.39buhletxrafter input username and password
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14:49.36buhletxrgot this problem in gnome extensions
14:49.48buhletxrreferenceerror: chrome is not defined :-\
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15:08.50neil_hello. I am looking to host my website/mail server/jabber/nextcloud/etc on a vps and was wondering if the right way to do it was to split them up on separate vps's? Or would it be alright from a security point of view to have them all on one?
15:08.56neil_Assuming that I update packages and security updates frequently
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15:10.58buhletxrthis debian have real problems... lol so If I'm logged in via console, and open firefox. then I can't open firefox in a remote rdp session
15:11.06buhletxrcause it says firefox is already running ><
15:11.16buhletxralso
15:11.33buhletxrif I connect via remote desktop, and open terminal
15:11.44buhletxruparrow key doesn't show my last command O_0
15:12.04greycatIn bash, each instance has its own separate copy of the shell history.
15:12.13buhletxrand how can I put the windows, to have the max and minimize buttons?
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15:12.27greycatIf you want an immediately shared history among ALL instances of your shell, I advise you to look into other shells.
15:12.47buhletxrnop greycat
15:12.50greycat(Personally I despised that SO MUCH when I used ksh...)
15:12.57buhletxrfor example:
15:13.03buhletxrI run command: echo test
15:13.18buhletxrthen, if I press arrow key up
15:13.24buhletxrnothing appens
15:13.33buhletxrit doesn't write echo test
15:13.40buhletxrso I need to type it again
15:13.42greycatSounds like your TERM variable is set wrong, or you've messed with ~/.inputrc or shell configs.
15:13.49greycatDoes Ctrl-P work?
15:14.03buhletxryeh
15:14.07buhletxrcrtl p works
15:14.13greycatThen it's probably $TERM or ~/.inputrc
15:14.14buhletxrhow I messed if this is a fresh install
15:14.15jhutchins_wkneil_: People used to do that all the time.
15:14.27greycatWhat kind of terminal are you in, and what is the value of $TERM?
15:14.30buhletxrhow cna I fix it greycat=?
15:14.49neil_jhutchins_wk: so on the same vps?
15:14.49buhletxrecho $TERM
15:14.52buhletxrretuns xterm
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15:14.57greycatAre you in an xterm?
15:15.05buhletxri'm using the debian terminal
15:15.10jhutchins_wkneil_: A single server is a lot easier to maintain and secure.
15:15.11buhletxrthe one that comes included
15:15.14greycatWhat do you mean by that?  GNOME?  gnome-terminal?
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15:15.50greycatTry:  ps -fp $PPID
15:16.22neil_jhutchins_wk: okay! How would I go about making sure that it's secure? Would inbound ufw rules to nginx and ssh be all or should i be reading something? (And could you recommend some article which i can read?)
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15:17.01buhletxrUID        PID  PPID  C STIME TTY          TIME CMD
15:17.02buhletxrroot      3795  3704  0 15:19 pts/1    00:00:00 su
15:17.11greycat*sigh*
15:17.35jhutchins_wkneil_: I don't think you need an on-system firewall.  By default, Linux only listens on ports where you have defined a service to listen.
15:17.40buhletxrgreycat:
15:17.41buhletxr# cat ~/.xsession
15:17.41buhletxrxfce4-session
15:18.04jhutchins_wkneil_: There might be cases where you would want to restrict IP access to certain ports, or limit the number of connections per second.
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15:18.12buhletxrbut if I go to system tools -> settings-> details
15:18.16greycatbuhletxr: Find out what kind of terminal this is, and what $TERM should be, and why it's not correct.
15:18.21buhletxrit showms me gnome 3.14.1
15:18.51jhutchins_wkneil_: Securing a mail server and making it acceptable to other mail servers is a bit of a challenge, as is fighting spam.
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15:23.28buhletxrhmmm
15:23.30buhletxrgreycat
15:23.46buhletxr$ ps -p$PPID
15:23.46buhletxr<PROTECTED>
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15:24.04buhletxrso should I set $TERM to gnome-terminal- ?
15:24.16jhutchins_wkneil_: I don't have a link to a current, comprehensive guide to securing a general purpose server, but I know RedHat's documentation includes articles on that, and I'm sure the Debian website and wiki do as well.
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15:27.13neil_jhutchins_wk: awesome, thank you!
15:27.50neil_jhutchins_wk: when you say "acceptable" to other mail servers, what does this mean? I was planning on using mailinabox for this.
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15:30.20twI'd also look at the DISA STIG docs for RHEL. A cursory google search brings up a lot of links to people highlighting the debian-relevant parts of it.
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15:36.04jhutchins_wkneil_: Things like having rdns working, applying dkms, making sure there's no relaying enabled.
15:36.23jhutchins_wkneil_: I'm not familiar with mailinabox.
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15:37.52buhletxrhey greycat
15:37.55buhletxrenv TERM=xterm-color /bin/bash
15:37.58firef1yokay, why can't Debian just be normal and have thunderbird like every other distro?
15:38.00buhletxradded that to my profile windows
15:38.05FreddyPits been a while since i hosted and setup a mail server but apart from all the obvious boxes to tick, microsoft had jumping through many hoops as it would not let me send any mail to live.com or hotmail.com
15:38.06buhletxrnow at least I have nice colors :D
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15:38.17buhletxrand I noticed the numpad arow keys work good
15:38.21jhutchins_wkneil_: Looking at it, it sounds very nice, but you end up running a lot of layers you know nothing about, and if something goes wrong, what do you do?
15:38.26buhletxrbut the arrow keys of keyboard doesn't
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15:38.30buhletxrany idea? :-\
15:40.28neil_jhutchins_wk: this is true :( Would you recommend me trying to do it myself or just stay away from it?
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15:42.18jhutchins_wkneil_: It's an interesting skillset to learn, and mailinabox lays out a good set of things to implement.
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15:43.11jhutchins_wkneil_: On the other hand, if you're not into maintaining something like that pretty constantly, and/or you're not getting paid for it, you might offload it to a mail service provider.
15:43.58jhutchins_wkneil_: I used to run public mail server, but these days I have a mail service for external access, and I run a private mailserver with no external access to store my mail at home.
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15:45.52firef1yjhutchins_wk: how hard is it actually to run a mail server?
15:46.09greycatIt's super easy to run one *badly*.
15:46.40nullbyte_9 is still freezed?
15:46.57firef1ygreycat: I meant running one decently well...
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15:48.29andyjpbfiref1y: depends on what you want to do and for who. I run one for my domain and a few friends. I spend Some Time gettingit set up 10 years ago or so and mostly just leave it be
15:48.34neil_jhutchins_wk: interesting! Do you have any resources which you would recommend where we could learn about it?
15:48.46andyjpbbut I have access to a spam assassin pool that's run (very well) by someone else
15:49.32firef1yandyjpb: I was thinking of just setting up my own mail server for me (maybe a couple family/friends too)
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15:50.44firef1ywould be nice to have an email that I actually control, instead of ISP/Gmail/etc
15:51.16firef1yyou never know when any of those email addresses are just going to disappear.
15:52.00SuperSeriousCatI bet Gmail is going under soon
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15:52.12jhutchins_wkneil_: I started out with the O'Reilly "Sendmail" book, but that's no longer really enough to understand the mail environment.
15:52.29andyjpbfiref1y: fastmail might be able to host your domain for you.
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15:53.33firef1yandyjpb: well, I'd rather host it myself if I can.
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15:53.54jhutchins_wkAn outbound relay service can eliminate a lot of headaches for you.
15:54.00firef1ythough just having my own domain name is an improvement.
15:54.10firef1yjhutchins_wk: such as?
15:54.36neil_SuperSeriousCat: why do you say that?
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15:54.47jhutchins_wkI have heard that there are some ranges in the Cloud address spaces that are essentially marked "residential" or "non-commercial", and those tend to be blocked on a lot of mail servers.
15:55.07neil_jhutchins_wk: okay! I can find a book on amazon when i get back home :)
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15:55.21jhutchins_wkIf you are trying to run from home, your IP address will likely be blocked on some servers.
15:55.24firef1yjhutchins_wk: if I did my own, I'd be hosting it from commercial address space.
15:55.34firef1ythis isn't going to be in the basement.
15:55.54jhutchins_wkneil_: I think you'll find on-line documentation more current these days.  Like I said, try Debian's web pages, and RedHat's.
15:56.13SanchoPensahey guys!
15:56.13SanchoPensai am trying to set up this ancient hp color laserjet 2600n, which gives me some headache: the error seems to be, that I am missing some hplip.plugin, so I am trying to run hp-setup, but that one tells me, that I should verify my connection to the internet. which is obviously there. other than that, I cannot reach cups at localhost:631/admin, and lsof-i, such as netstat --inet -an do not show any listening port there, althoug ps says /usr/sbin/
15:56.15firef1yI've got a VPS outside already, and was planning on (at least) bouncing the mail through that.
15:56.22buhletxrdebian is sick jeez
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15:56.55jhutchins_wkfiref1y: It's not a trivial undertaking, but if you like that sort of thing it's satisfying to understand and control all the layers.
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15:58.09buhletxrwhen I minimize a window, It doesn't put it anywhere :-\ jeez
15:58.16buhletxrnow only accessible via ALT+TAB
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15:58.35buhletxri guess I need dash to dock
15:58.37buhletxror something
15:58.40dm_compWhat is the acronym of ELF. contexts " ... since dpkg 1.2.0 and 1.1.1elf (i386/ELF builds)." -> I did a quick google search but without avail(guessing it's not "every ladies fantasy").
15:58.53greycatExtended Linker Format, I think
15:58.59greycatsomething similar anyway
15:59.01mtnbuhletxr: using which desktop?
15:59.14dm_compgreycat: thank you!
15:59.25greycathttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E
15:59.29greycatgrr
15:59.32greycathttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executable_and_Linkable_Format
15:59.49jpwExecutable and Linking Format
15:59.59greycatAh, "formerly named Extensible Linking Format".  That's what I must have been mis-remembering.
16:00.07buhletxrgreycat gnome
16:00.14buhletxrups not you
16:00.17greycatApparently even the people in charge of this crap can't make up their minds.
16:00.18buhletxrmtn gnome
16:00.23jhutchins_wkdm_comp: If you include "linux" in your search you'll get the right hits.
16:00.30mtnbuhletxr: hit the super key. or, add an extension if you really need to see them on the panel
16:00.52buhletxrsuper key?
16:01.03dm_compjhutchins_wk: thx!
16:01.04buhletxralso, guys cant use gnome extensions
16:01.07buhletxreven after doing this:
16:01.07buhletxrappmenu:close
16:01.09mtnbuhletxr: windows key
16:01.10buhletxrups
16:01.42buhletxrwindow key does nothing
16:01.47buhletxrlooks like my arrow keys
16:01.50buhletxrthey do nothing
16:01.57buhletxronly the arrow keys of numpad works :-\
16:01.58buhletxrjeez
16:02.01buhletxrso much bugs
16:02.13buhletxrwell, works on console view
16:02.17buhletxrnot via xrdp view
16:02.26buhletxrI already set my km .ini file
16:02.34firef1ywhy is namecheap so expensive...
16:02.41greycatbuhletxr: Stop pressing ENTER so much.  Use whole sentences.
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16:03.10buhletxrsorry. ok :)
16:03.57SanchoPensajhutchins_wk: you wouldn't happen to be able to tell me, why I cannot reac cups at port 631, would you?
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16:04.04buhletxrcan't get gnome extensions to work
16:04.07buhletxreven after do this:
16:04.08buhletxrhttps://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/353962/debian-jessie-unable-to-install-gnome-extension-the-native-host-connector-is-no
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16:04.33buhletxrI still get the error: ReferenceERROR: chrome is not defined,      anyone cna help me here?
16:04.57greycatProbably not.  You might have better luck in a GNOME channel.
16:05.28greycatYou're not off topic or anything, but most of the regulars here don't know GNOME in detail.
16:05.42buhletxrok, ty
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16:07.09dirac1Hello, any of you have tried to use grsecurity with awesomewm? PaX automatically create the exceptions for the wm?.
16:07.36RedAlphaHello
16:08.17RedAlphaWhere is the best place for a noob to learn irc? I am finding information to be spratic at best online this far.
16:08.44dirac1RedAlpha, what you want to learn about irc?.
16:08.48greycatIf your question is about your IRC client software, then in your client's channel.  If it's about Freenode, then in #freenode.
16:09.41RedAlphaso I need to search for a #Weechat Channle? How do I do that and ensure I am joining the official channel?
16:10.09greycat"/list #weechat"
16:10.47greycatIt has 760 users (when I checked), and a topic that seems sane.  So it's probably an active and useful place.
16:11.05RedAlphaThe main problem that I am having is when and where it is okay to ask for what and how.
16:11.06greycatJudgments beyond that?  You'd have to go there and see.
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16:11.41RedAlphaso where do I type that command in? After I diconnect from this channel?
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16:11.56greycatYou can just type  /list #weechat   any time.
16:12.24han-sololook for a window/tab :}
16:12.40RedAlphaok, I just tried and nothing shows up, I am guessing that has something to do with the active buffer being this channel.
16:13.10RedAlphaok, thanks for all of your help. FYI, I am in a cli interface at this point.
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16:13.27han-solowhich client?
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16:13.29han-soloirssi?
16:13.34RedAlphaWeeChat
16:14.02han-soloer, i should have guessed. Damn, sometimes i don't see stuff
16:14.09kuscan we please change the behavior of clipboard? we should just have ONE clipboard. If you copy something, the latest thing I copied should be the thing that should paste
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16:14.15kusthis is so infuriating
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16:14.38greycatkus: you're about 30 years too late to be asking that
16:14.46RedAlphaLOL, no debate here, it just seemed easier for a beginner when I looked for a client.
16:15.05kusgreycat: never too late to make a clean break and say all the old stuff can go screw itself
16:16.27kusalso storage is cheap. lets get rid of shared dependencies.
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16:24.18CrystalMathhope this isn't too off-topic, but there's a new stable distro based on debian
16:24.24CrystalMathhttps://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20170421.161009.6c644d3a.en.html
16:24.32CrystalMaththoughts?
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16:34.43pjzI just upgraded a beaglebone black from wheezy to jessie but I can't seem to install a python package because of some kind of cert erro
16:34.58pjzheck I can't download much from the web using wget or curl due to the same thing
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16:35.03pjzI've got ca-certificates installed
16:35.06pjzand up to date
16:35.10pjzany ideas?
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16:36.11pjzExample: # wget https://pypi.python.org/simple/  ->  ERROR: The certificate of ‘pypi.python.org’ is not trusted.
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16:37.23blackflowpjz: server datetime correct?
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16:37.43blackflowI mean system....
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16:38.49pjzhah! no!
16:39.08pjzhm, what's the easy way to get it to sync? netdate?
16:39.56staircrusherntp
16:40.32pjzwhich ntp is it?
16:40.41phoggspecifically ntpdate
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16:40.43gblmkdhey
16:40.49gblmkdi need some help
16:41.18greycat!ntpdate
16:41.18dpkgntpdate is an obsolete and unmaintained program to set a system clock via <NTP>.  Just install the ntp package instead.  Since Debian 5.0 "Lenny", ntp's default configuration files (NTPD_OPTS='-g' in /etc/default/ntp, 'iburst' option for default servers in /etc/ntp.conf) make ntpdate unnecessary.  See also <why not ntpdate>.
16:41.45phogggreycat: my mistake, old habits die hard
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16:42.08pjzblackflow: thanks!
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16:44.33phoggbtw that <why not ntpdate> factoid's rationale link is broken
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16:55.06blackflowthere's also systemd-timesyncd, so no additional daemons are needed, esp. not bloated and vulnerable ntp. it's a bit less precise, but unless you need (sub)milisecond precision, it's enough.
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16:55.48blackflowalternatively, openntpd from jessie-backports
16:56.26blackflowoh, pjz left...
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17:03.55phoggSeems like without ntpdate you need a daemon. Is it not possible to sync by hand?
17:05.31greycatNo, because by the time you've logged in, it's too late to do a massive clock shift safely.
17:05.49phogggreycat: Who wants safe?
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17:08.31blackflowphogg: ntpd can be used for one time shifts beyond 1000 seconds
17:08.42blackflowntpd -gq
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17:09.43phoggblackflow: aha, I see that the -q option pretty much covers my use case
17:10.02gblmkdhow to set a "sendmail" hostname it show as "debian" instead of my host i edited hosts file and other things but still show "debian"
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17:10.58greycatgblmkd: /etc/hostname
17:10.58blackflowgblmkd: iirc the default config uses /etc/mailname
17:11.13greycatthe contents of /etc/hosts don't count for much with internet services
17:11.35gblmkdi have different hostname
17:11.37gblmkdthen debian
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17:11.56gblmkdi have hostname domain.com but sendmail show it as @debia
17:11.59greycatwhat does "hostname" say?  what is in /etc/hostname?  what is in /etc/mailname?
17:12.35gblmkdi check cat /etc/hostname its my domain  and mailname same
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17:12.46greycatOh, you're a secret-keeper.  *plonk*
17:12.55blackflowgblmkd: which MTA is that?
17:13.23gblmkdjust normal "sendmail"
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17:13.48blackflowgblmkd: the sendmail binary must be part of a mail server, is it postfix? exim?
17:14.15gblmkdpostfix
17:14.31blackflowthen check /etc/postfix/main.cf if it overrides "myorigin"
17:15.16gblmkdmyorigin is my domain
17:16.01blackflowgblmkd: then which hostname are you referring to? where do you see "debian"?
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17:17.40gblmkdwhen i use sendmail to send a mail it show as like i try user@blabla.com it show user@debian not blabla.com
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17:19.45jellygblmkd: pastebin the output of "postconf -n", "postconf -Mf" and relevant logs from /var/log/mail.log for precisely one affected example message
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17:21.12jellygblmkd: and please do not change anything in the logs.
17:21.18blackflowit's probably headers, not logs, sounds like address rewriting
17:22.17jellyif there's address rewriting done in postfix, that will be visible in nondefault settings
17:22.39blackflowyup
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17:22.55jellyand logs are always the first thing to look at
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17:23.05jellyfar as mail is concerned
17:26.11dirac2Hello, any of you have tried to use grsecurity with awesomewm? PaX automatically create the exceptions for the wm?.
17:27.04jellypax doesn't do almost anything automatically, dirac2
17:27.29blackflowdirac2: not on debian, but on gentoo I remember having to mark quite a number of binaries, mostly from the DE and X
17:27.33jellyand small WM software is usually decent and does not need paxctl tuning
17:27.44jellyunlike, say, KDE stuff
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17:27.53blackflowyeah, 'twas KDE for me.
17:27.56jellyor browsers.  Or java.
17:28.12jellyor anything with a JIT
17:28.30dirac2jelly, so it might be possible that awesome doesn't give me problems in the fresh grsecurity kernel install?.
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17:29.06jellydirac2: that's very likely.  Other components may give you extra grief.
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17:29.35blackflowespecially if you run with nvidia proprietary driver
17:29.40dirac2Nah..
17:30.04dirac2I read the archlinux's wiki for grsecurity..
17:30.31dirac2and is a fresh install of Debian..
17:30.48dirac2But which kind of software could bring me issues?.
17:31.01jelly...
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17:31.13jelly!tias
17:31.13dpkgTIAS is "Try It And See".
17:31.20dirac2u_u ok...
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17:31.24blackflowjelly already told you. anything with JIT which means browsers, java, but in my experience, it was quite a lot
17:31.31greycatwonders what the hell PaX and paxctl are, and notes that like me, dpkg only knows about pax(1) the POSIX archiver.
17:32.02jellygreycat: hardening kernel patches that impose lots of extra restrictions on userspace
17:32.10dirac2I'll do it later.
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17:33.03jellyif said userspace is written in a sane matter, all is well, but modern desktop components, opengl acceleration, java or web browsera are not covered under "sane"
17:33.35blackflowand it's all questionable given the almost impossible to confine X and its absence of a security model
17:33.45jellyactual fixing requires removing some unsafe practices from source code
17:33.53blackflowat least xorg server doesn't run as root any more, right?
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17:34.08jellyblackflow: unless your dm starts as root.
17:34.24jellylike almost any dm but gdm, I think
17:34.47blackflowyeah I run gnome shell and I see the session is local
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17:35.33jelly,i paxctl
17:35.34juddPackage paxctl (admin, extra) in jessie/amd64: new PaX control program for using the PT_PAX_FLAGS marking. Version: 0.9-1; Size: 10.7k; Installed: 20k; Homepage: http://pax.grsecurity.net/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/paxctl
17:35.46jelly,i paxctld
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17:35.47juddNo package named 'paxctld' was found in jessie/amd64.
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17:35.52jelly,v paxctld
17:35.53juddPackage: paxctld on amd64 -- sid: 1.2.1-1; stretch: 1.2.1-1
17:37.03blackflowunfortunately, rumor has it grsec is going all private / paid only, no more public unstable patches.
17:37.21blackflows/unstable/testing
17:37.46dirac2I have another question, i have an external /home, i mounted it on fstab all good, but now i want to use it on Debian (i have another "/" partition with arch, where i created this /home)
17:38.03greycatI clicked http://pax.grsecurity.net/ and didn't see an overview, but I saw "PaX is part of grsecurity" and clicked that (http://www.grsecurity.net/) and... well... uh... I closed that page immediately.
17:38.27greycatOh well.  It was just idle curiosity.
17:38.44blackflowdirac2: so what's the question
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17:39.35BluesKajthink he want to use the same /home for arch and debian
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17:39.46greycatHe said he put it in fstab.
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17:40.40dirac2sorry  didn't explain it well.
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17:41.01dirac2I want to use the user /home/Me, in the Debian fs.
17:41.41jasonwcWhy is the naming for the backports 4.9.18 kernel 4.9.0-0.bpo.2?
17:41.55jasonwcI'm confused by the naming scheme
17:42.09greycatthat's the kernel ABI
17:42.24greycatmodules built against any 4.9.0-0.bpo.2 kernel will work with any other 4.9.0-0.bpo.2? kernel
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17:42.33jasonwcah, that makes sense
17:42.36kskdirac2: so mount the arch partition, then mount this home on eg. /arch/home/$user to /home/$user using mount --bind (see man mount, search for bind)
17:42.46jasonwcuseful to know, thanks
17:43.16dirac2But.. the user..
17:43.57alekzthe user?
17:44.02dirac2The user "Me" in debian isn't in /etc/passwd, if i create a new one with the name "Me" It says there's already a /home/Me created.
17:44.04blackflowdirac2: if the uids are the same, it'll match. however, I'd advise against sharing home (more precisely ~/.config and ~/.local) between different distros
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17:44.57greycatAnd another secret-keeper. :(
17:45.00blackflowdirac2: you can use useradd with -M to create a user without creating a home directory
17:45.18kskdirac2: then unmount it and create the user. mount it again. also take care of problems blackflow mentioned :)
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17:45.40greycat"I can't type my real username because that would be too efficient and would let people give me exact answers, so I'll have to spend extra time carefully editing everything Debian writes and retyping it here with all the pertinent details mangled"
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17:46.19dirac2But the system will recognize the /Home/Me as the user "Me" Owner? there won't be permission issues? what about the password associated to the account? i just create the account with the same password used in the arch fs?
17:46.40rkorandyhow do you get faster flash player with debian
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17:46.47blackflowdirac2: if the uids match, it should be okay, eg. your Me on Debian has uid 1000 and your Me on Arch has also uid 1000
17:46.48rkorandysometimes ads are real slow
17:47.01blackflowdirac2: but again, I'd advise against sharing home like that.
17:47.12blackflowrkorandy: what's flash?
17:47.25txwow
17:47.31rkorandyblackflow: adobe has a flash player for sites like espn.com and the ads are slow
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17:47.35txdo we live in a day and age where people don't know what flash is?
17:47.45txbrb I need to go and have my mid-life crisis now
17:47.51alekzlol tx
17:47.56greycatWe're just hoping it dies sooner rather than later.
17:48.04blackflowtx: it's coming, tho' in this case you need to change your sarcasm detector batteries :)
17:48.13greycatRefusing to acknowledge it may hasten its demise.
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17:48.27txFlash is still lurking.
17:48.31txIt's still a very good animation tool
17:48.37txyou know, what it was mostly designed for. :)
17:48.38dirac2blackflow, ok i'll do it later.
17:48.40rkorandyi heard there was something called fresh player
17:49.28blackflowI've been running without flash for over a year, haven't once needed it. all the pr0n is html5 nowadays =)
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17:49.35rkorandyit doesn't matter i just want to know if there's something i can do
17:49.40BluesKajfresh player is a flash player with a different name
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17:50.06blackflowrkorandy: hardware acceleration maybe, there should be a setting
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17:51.31rkorandyi opened up the screen selected hardware acceleration and now the window won'tn close lol
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17:51.38BluesKajblackflow:  assume you use chrome
17:51.57blackflowBluesKaj: chromium and firefox, depending on the use case
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17:52.13blackflow(Chrome for netflix but I read that's not needed with newer firefoxen)
17:52.51BluesKajI dumped FF due to it's sellout to pulseaudio
17:53.03blackflowawww
17:53.48BluesKajhave to put up with systemd, but not PA
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17:54.05blackflowthey got telemetry and decided the ~1% of users who ran alsa directly weren't sufficient to keep the code around :)
17:54.10blackflowI can't disagree
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17:54.37blackflowback when I was in the anti-systemd faction and battle ready, I'd ditch it in a heart beat too, but eh... nowadays, I don't care :)
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17:54.55BluesKajshrugs ..chrome works for webaudio
17:55.05rkorandyyou know these Ubuntu magazines you sometimes see at stores, are they any good
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17:55.23greycatI use chrome for my primary web activities (playing KoL) because firefox just got slower and slower and slower and slower until it was nearly unplayable.
17:55.29txthey're the same as linux news websites and blogs
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17:56.04BluesKajgreycat:  yeah I noticed chrome is alot snappier
17:56.33blackflowthe one thing I like about firefox is that it's easily confineable with apparmor. I have yet to write a sane policy for Chromium.
17:57.00txI really wish firefox was faster :(
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17:57.18BluesKajtx it's bloated
17:57.22greycatOh, and there was that other thing firefox said they were going to do, that made everyone run away.  Something about not letting extensions work unless they're vetted by Firefox.
17:57.30txI've been using chrome since just after it came out and it just blows it out of the water
17:57.32greycatNot sure if Chrome is any better in that respect though.
17:57.38blackflowgreycat: that doesn't sound too bad
17:57.39txI think the last firefox I mained was 3? 4?
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17:57.53txI go back every now and then to see if things are better and it's not usually.
17:58.10spacebug^chrome not chromium? I would never use because of privacy issues. No phoning home for me thank you
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17:58.38txStill have it installed though, need a browser that lets me do stuff with java :)
17:58.53BluesKajbah humbug ...
17:59.08BluesKajspacebug^:  ^
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17:59.18blackflowspacebug^: I bet you use social media and don't block their widgets in your browser? :)
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17:59.48spacebug^is using firefox with privacy badger and noscript. No I do not use facebook
17:59.50jellygreycat: grsecurity's page was just revamped last week to look "modern"
17:59.52spacebug^I use Signal
18:00.05greycatjelly: and they just COMPLETEY lost my attention by doing so.
18:00.35greycatWhen I see a page like that, all that my brain retains is "Commercial site, won't be able to find any information without subscribing and/or paying money."
18:00.37txeh, it doesn't look too bad
18:01.12txthe idea is to be drawn to the purchase button anyway
18:01.24blackflowspacebug^: my apologies then :)
18:01.29FreddyPspacebug: signal is good
18:01.35alekz!rufus
18:01.35dpkgrufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems.  Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
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18:02.33jellygreycat: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Grsecurity
18:02.48blackflowgreycat: and you'd be right :)
18:02.58alekz!usb install
18:02.58dpkgYou can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB.  Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images.  Use http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ to write images from Windows.  For BIOSes not capable of USB boot, ask me about <plop>.
18:03.03blackflowthere is a wiki tho'
18:03.10alekz!etcher
18:03.10dpkgwell, etcher is initial testing shows etcher is not a reliable way to copy debian images for installation. instead use cp or dd for linux, or win32diskimager for windows. https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch04s03.html.en
18:04.17spacebug^blackflow: no need to apologise :)
18:04.18jellygreycat: that's basically the idea for the main web page now.  They're gunning for commercial support.
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18:04.30spacebug^FreddyP: it sure is
18:05.11FreddyPspacebug: I forgave whisper systems for reasing their desktop app as a google app
18:05.19FreddyPreleasing*
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18:06.53greycatdpkg, pax is also (when spelled PaX) a Linux kernel hardening patch (which may break JIT programs), <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PaX>
18:06.53dpkggreycat: okay
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18:07.10spacebug^FreddyP: I'm actually using it too. The only thing I'm using chromium for. Though I would rather liek to see a bare desktop app
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18:09.23blackflowgreycat: technically it doesn't break them, it does its job and prevents (memory) abuse, so those programs can be "pax-marked" to relax the pax confinement
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18:10.10blackflowlike, selinux doesn't break programs, bad policies do.
18:11.05greycatFeel free to create another bot factoid explaining all that.
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18:12.43blackflowgreycat: your factoid is quite okay, I'd just lose the "(which may break JIT programs)"
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18:13.12jellyblackflow: it does break them.  You have to whitelist apps, telling it to stop using protections and you're aware of the risks.
18:13.30jellyI've added a grsec reference.
18:14.22jellythere's already a factoid for it, and it will be increasingly hard to use PaX outside of grsec these days (at least without paying up for support)
18:14.28spacebug^if you are really concerned about security (more paranoid than me), you should try out "Qubes OS" and then run Debian inside that as virtual machines
18:15.03phoggThat requires a lot of paranoia.
18:15.11FreddyPwhat about tails?
18:15.35jellyworthwhile opsec requires more than just "trying out" tails or qubes
18:15.36spacebug^FreddyP: well Qubes is security by isolation
18:15.55spacebug^jelly: true that
18:16.09jellyand that's probably outside the scope of #debian
18:16.15spacebug^mostly about thought of actions, like it always has
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18:16.23FreddyPrun an os 4 vm's deep each with spoof mac addresses
18:16.24spacebug^yeah sorry about that
18:17.17blackflowjelly: in that case, it break much more than just JIT, that's why I don't think that particular bit is noteworthy.
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18:17.35FreddyPdisconnetc your mic and camera from the board, and use virtual keyboard
18:18.10blackflowFreddyP: as long as you use xorg, it's all false security :)
18:18.26blackflow*false sense thereof
18:18.49greycatThe importart part of a bot's factoid is that when someone comes here and starts talking about a problem they have with PaX, we can ask the bot what PaX is and see "Oh, it's known to break JIT programs, find out if they're running luajit or some similar bytecode language"
18:20.38jellygreycat: actually we'll ask them for logs first!
18:20.44jellyit's just like mail!
18:21.09blackflowheh :)
18:21.18greycatAnd they'll mangle all the information before letting us see it.  Because obviously it would be INSECURE if we could learn that they have a user named "john".
18:21.26blackflowand it'd be correct, grsec logs all violations
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18:21.59jellyPaX and grsec bits tell exactly why they did something (usually, sigkilled a process) in dmesg
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18:23.16blackflowthat and rlimit, coredumps, access to lots of stuff in /proc, ....
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18:24.09rkorandyall my gtk themes are the same
18:26.00somiajrkorandy: care to clarify what you mean? Is this a problem? Do you realize gtk2 and gtk3 themese are sepearte
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18:27.35rkorandythey just all look the same and i don't know how to get new ones
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19:00.27somiajrkorandy: most do, there really isn't that much variety. Are you talking gtk2 or gtk3. There are some themes you can install/download from apt. You can also go download them from gnome/gkt sites directly, but those may not be as well integrated with debian
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19:06.18rkorandyI think it's gtk 2 but I found something called gtk-theme-switch but the preview doesn't really work
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19:36.16somiajrkorandy: strange, switch2 priview feature worked for me just fine in the past.
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20:01.48Azrael_-i just installed ispconfig using this tutorial https://www.howtoforge.com/tutorial/perfect-server-debian-8-4-jessie-apache-bind-dovecot-ispconfig-3-1 but it seems like no php-site is running in this vhost and i have no clue why, can you perhaps give me a hint? errormessage: https://pastebin.com/DHsHu3vZ
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20:04.11hellb0yhey!
20:07.54KafeiHas anyone here experienced issues with GnuTLS during repo sync
20:07.54KafeiFrom what I can tell, the best option will be to rebuild curl or libcurl to use openssl instead
20:07.54KafeiIs there a workaround or solution that doesn't require building custom pkgs?
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20:09.18somiajKafei: is this on debian stable, testing or unstable?
20:10.08autofsckkwhats the way to uninstall mariadb-server? im trying to get rid of it after one day of trying to instll it using different ways i found on google, but now i dont want it anymore but when i try to install it keep asking me for the new root password jajajaja and it says that a service is running but nothing from mysql is up, please help
20:10.17autofsckkdebian is a f*** nightmare really!
20:10.42blackflowAzrael_-: I have no idea how ispconfig sets up things, but according to that log, suexec can't open logs, probably its config points to a location not writable by the suexec user
20:11.06missmbobit's not debian's fault you used a third party repo
20:11.29missmbobyou need to use dpkg --purge for those broken third party packages
20:11.30autofsckkmissmbob: because the debian repo that i used first wasnt working either
20:11.41nkuttler!doesn't work
20:11.41dpkg"Doesn't work" is a vague statement.  Does it sit on the couch all day long?  Does it procrastinate doing the dishes?  Does it beg on the street for change?  Please be specific!  Define 'it' and what it isn't doing.  Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?".  Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
20:11.49ssarahthe other day i was asking to figure out how to apply a bunch of ladspa plugins system wide. Here's what i come up with if you're interested : https://gist.github.com/fullmooninu/daadc38fbe7e9e79bd493956c0237704
20:12.24missmbobit's irrelevent. you need to get rid of those before we can really help you. like i said
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20:13.55blackflowAzrael_-: btw, apache, suexec, running php like that, it's ancient and painful, and quite likely insecure. Consider php-fpm and something like nginx unless you need .htaccess.
20:14.41blackflowAzrael_-: and frankly, if you really need a panel, cPanel isn't expensive. ispconfig, it's been a while since I've seen anyone using that.
20:14.48Kafeisomiaj: It's on sid, but no one in -next is answering. Still, this has been an issue I've had for a long time, so versions currently in 8 had the same issue
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20:15.05somiajKafei: have you checked the bug reports?
20:15.13jhutchins_wkssarah: Cool!  Well done!
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20:15.22autofsckkmissmbob: when i do dkpg --purge mariadb-server-10.0  i get this https://bpaste.net/show/950824b95fb7
20:15.55autofsckkmissmbob: mysqld isnt running so i dont know why this "Failed to stop mysql.service: Unit mysql.service not loaded."
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20:16.25Kafei<Kafei> somiaj: It's on sid, but no one in -next is answering. Still, this has been an issue I've had for a long time, so versions currently in 8 had the same issue <-- dc'ed, dunno if this got thru
20:16.28missmbobautofsckk: i have no idea what that says..but perhaps you'll need to use one of the --force options. maybe --force-all. man dpkg
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20:17.12dpkgsomebody said mario was the main character in Super Mario Bros.
20:17.15ssarahjhutchins_wk, ty :) it's just missing a high frequency sharpener plugin to make it super nice. The first on the list is more for multi tasking than it is for listening to music tho. Try it out if you will. :)
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20:17.44dpkghmm... luigi is mean and grean
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20:19.27hellb0y?
20:20.06autofsckkmissmbob: isnt working https://bpaste.net/show/a63cdeaaf371
20:20.13autofsckkyou can read it in english now :d
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20:21.52missmbobautofsckk: i'm really not sure how to help you with their broken pre-removal script. wait and see if someone else in here does
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20:23.32nkuttlerautofsckk: just put exit 0 on the second line for a dirty "fix"..
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20:24.02somiajyou can override prerm scripts by editing them in /var/lib/dpkg/info/package.prerm and put an exit 0 at the top of it, this will make it work, but it will also make the script not do anything, so you may have to manually clean up some artificats later
20:24.10Azrael_-blackflow: my error was, i had root mounted with the options "nodev,nosuid"
20:24.40nkuttleris the prerm failing really fatal? the error at the end only mentions postinst
20:25.15somiajI didn't see the error, in my experience they usually aren't fatal, but sometimes need help cleaning up stuff the script didn't clean up because you bypassed it
20:25.40autofsckknkuttler: what second line? im trying to get rid of this  mariadb-server-10.0   after not being able to insall, and now i try to uninstall with this  dpkg --purge --force-all mariadb-server-10.0, sorry i dont understand what second line
20:25.41somiajoh you are saying the issue is with another script, not prerm
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20:31.09autofsckkit really says just nonesense, it says that the process mysql.service cant stop and then that it couldnt load, problem with invoke-rc.d: initscript mysql jajajjaaj really this is the shitiest distro i have ever used by far, well not really, bubuntu was like 10 years ago
20:32.01greycatYou're blaming Debian for the low quality of a package you got from *somewhere other than Debian*?
20:32.09greycatHow does that work?
20:32.22autofsckkgreycat: this isnt the first problem i have here, believe me
20:32.45somiajIf you mix things you can have lots of problems.
20:32.50somiaj!don't break debian
20:32.50dpkgi guess dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
20:32.54greycatIf you don't like it, go ahead and use something else.  That's why there's variety in the world.
20:33.09autofsckkxrandr not saving configuration, so everytime i start i have to config my monitors, autostarts and many things more
20:33.57somiajxrandr is not a tool that saves a config, if you want to change the defaults either modify the xorg.conf file, or use a desktop tool that saves/restores the settings.
20:34.19greycatOr put the xrandr commands into your dot files.
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20:34.38autofsckkgreycat: i know but i have to work, i dont want to spend time configuring, thats why i stopped using arch after 8 years using it because i thought debian was way more fast to configure and start working, so bad decision really
20:34.39somiajsounds like the issues are mostly learning how to configure things properly.
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20:35.20somiajThere is to much variety for preconfiguration to fit all needs. Debian is a stable frozen system, so once you get it configured you shouldn't need to change things, unlike a rolling release like arch.
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20:35.29autofsckksomiaj: i have tried different ways of doing it, the one i used to do for years but none of the ones i have tried works, i have spent a lot of time, believe me
20:35.45TomTomToschis ~/.xprofile still used for that?
20:35.51greycatNo.
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20:36.15autofsckksomiaj: thats what i thought and thats why i decided to try debian
20:36.23greycatIf you created and use a .xsession file you can put them in there.  Otherwise, you can create a ~/.xsessionrc file (not the different file name).
20:36.32greycatnote*
20:36.56somiajautofsckk: you are new to debian, you should take some time to learn good practices. Once you get some of these down you can really speed up a lot of this, but being new expect a learning curve.
20:37.16somiajI don't expect to be able to jump to even another debian based distro without spending lots of extra time learning how this new os likes to configure things.
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20:38.09TomTomToschgreycat: good to know. thanks.
20:39.01somiaj!xsession
20:39.01dpkghmm... xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession'
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20:39.26greycatThat factoid looks like it needs to be shot.
20:39.27autofsckksomiaj: i know what you are saying, but for instance this uninstall/install problem, im used to read errors and from there look for ways to fix it, but do you think this is a little mmmmm usefull?  https://bpaste.net/show/a63cdeaaf371   theres no mysql process running
20:39.52jhutchins_wkautofsckk: Take a look at the number of nics in this channel.  There are literally thousands of people who have no trouble using Debian.
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20:40.30autofsckki had to get rid of lightdm because it was crashing all the time too, so now i just login with startx, and its fine with me, but debian-lxde it really have things that dont work
20:40.34jhutchins_wkautofsckk: Distrowatch gets almost 2,000 hits per day for Debian.
20:41.10greycatdpkg, no, xsession is <reply>Debian uses ~/.xsession for startx(1) as well as *most* Display Manager logins.  See https://wiki.debian.org/Xsession
20:41.10dpkgokay, greycat
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20:41.12autofsckkjhutchins_wk: and thats why im trying it now, but until now my experience have been very very poor
20:41.33somiajTomTomTosch: on debian .xsession is a nice file because it is used in various situation, though not all display manager sessions read .xsession
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20:42.14somiajautofsckk: if this isn't a package from debian, we have no control over the scripts other people ship with their packages.
20:42.25autofsckkanother thing that i had to correct was to use compton becase the windows where very very slow
20:43.01autofsckksomiaj: ok i understand that, but can you give me a hint on how to get rid of that shitty package manually please?
20:43.07jhutchins_wkautofsckk: The existence of thousands of satisfied users suggests that something in your approach, rather than the nature of Debian, may be causing your problems.
20:43.35jhutchins_wkautofsckk: I'm not trying to blame the user - just pointing out that you haven't tried to find the Debian way of doing things, instead imposing your own idea of how things should go.
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20:43.56greycatautofsckk: you were told already.  Put "exit 0" near the top of the prerm script to make it not run, and purge the package.  Then manually do whatever the missing prerm was supposed to do.
20:44.02TomTomToschsomiaj: the xsession wiki mentions  "Finally, note that the ~/.xsession file is only read if you are using a Debian X session. If you login with gdm3 and choose a GNOME session, the ~/.xsession file will be ignored completely."  I'm not so sure about that distinction...
20:44.13TomTomTosch* xsession wiki page
20:44.17autofsckkjhutchins_wk: man i have met friends that i respect because of their knowledge and use debian, thats why im giving it a try, but really i havent found a good source of information from debian itself
20:44.28greycatTomTomTosch: It's a nightmare, yes.  Fucking GNOME.
20:44.52TomTomToschfun times.
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20:45.08greycatThe *only* file that is consistently available to every GUI login type is .xsessionrc and that runs *before* and *in addition to* some other file that you can't predict.
20:45.37somiajTomTomTosch: when using gdm3, you can choose which session you use. Such as choosing gnome, kde, xfce, etc.
20:46.02somiajTomTomTosch: I think there is a 'Defalt' or 'Debian' session which reads .xsession, the rest will not, they will only read the predefined session files for the appropiate desktop/wm
20:46.06autofsckkgreycat: i read that, but i dont know where to put it man, you mean  mysql.service ?  invoke-rc.d ? could you be more specific please¡
20:46.21greycatautofsckk: again, you were *TOLD* the exact path name.
20:47.06greycat16:24  somiaj> you can override prerm scripts by editing them in /var/lib/dpkg/info/package.prerm and put an exit 0 at the top of it, this will make it work, but it will also make the script not do anything, so you may have to manually clean up some artificats later
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20:49.00TomTomToschsomiaj: i guess that makes sense. thanks.
20:49.57somiajand with waylend it is even only going to get more confusing....
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20:52.35greycatwill we have to edit ~/.wsession files? :)
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20:53.35autofsckkgreycat: thanks, ok i found this  https://bpaste.net/show/da39ad71809a  at this path /var/lib/dpkg/info/mariadb-server-10.0.prerm    so i think the problem is that from line 10 to the end right? the invoke rc.d
20:54.20greycatI am not going to attempt a detailed diagnosis of a prerm script from a package I have never used, from a source that is not Debian, on a system to which I have no access.  AND NO I DO NOT WANT ACCESS.
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20:56.17somiajon a side note, upgraded my laptop to stretch, and the modesetting drivers seem to already be working nicer than the older xserver-xorg-video-intel drivers
20:57.01autofsckkgreycat: ok no problem, thanks i just removed the /etc/init.d/mysql and everything is right now
20:57.08autofsckkthanks for the help
20:57.45TomTomToschsomiaj: noticable performance increase?
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21:02.47somiajTomTomTosch: I can suspend my machine after I disconnect monintors long
21:03.21TomTomToschyay, progress. ^^
21:03.42autofsckkok so i got rid of the package, and of the source at apt/sources.list  now trying to install  mariadb-server from just debian servers and i still cant install it,
21:04.06greycatwhat is the error?
21:04.12greycat,v mariadb-server
21:04.13juddPackage: mariadb-server on amd64 -- jessie-security: 10.0.25-0+deb8u1; jessie: 10.0.25-0+deb8u1; jessie: 10.0.27-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 10.0.30-0+deb8u1; sid: 10.1.21-1; stretch: 10.1.22-3; sid: 10.1.22-3
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21:05.30autofsckkFailed to stop mysql.service: Unit mysql.service not loaded.
21:05.31autofsckkinvoke-rc.d: initscript mysql, action "stop" failed.
21:06.22autofsckkthats where it fails, try to stop a service that doesnt exist   https://bpaste.net/show/dc8715abd6e0
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21:06.32greycatsudo systemctl status mysql
21:07.01autofsckkhttps://bpaste.net/show/2eda8605267d
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21:07.29greycatIt can't even *find* the unit file?
21:07.50greycatThis feels like you've still got lingering bits of the old package somehow in the way of the new one.
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21:08.02somiajautofsckk: just put an exit 0 right before that line, or comment it out if it is the only one failing
21:08.10somiajexit 0 at the top is the easiest way to bypass the whole script
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21:08.22missmbobautofsckk: can you not cut off your pastes?
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21:11.10greycatHe seems to be using one of those godawful "pipe your shell command to me and I'll paste the output on the web for you" things, which doesn't show the COMMAND that was executed.
21:11.20autofsckkmissmbob: https://bpaste.net/show/5abf03200269  i try to make the output be in english, hope you understand
21:11.49autofsckkgreycat: no it isnt that, but i have my console in spanish and i try to make it show in english
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21:12.06autofsckkby using this  LC_ALL=c
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21:17.03autofsckknow the console doesnt work right because of the locale jajajaja shit shit shit and i have to f** work
21:19.12autofsckkthanks for your help, i dont have time to "learn" more linux stuff jajajaja debian way i think its not my way at all :D
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21:20.15autofsckkand now it has that shitty systemd that i hate, ill rather learn a better option that systemd options
21:20.30greycatautofsckk: Again, if you don't like Debian, use something else.  We won't stop you.
21:21.10SuperTramp83autofsckk, don't go or a squirrel will die :'(
21:21.23autofsckkgreycat: i appreciate your help really, but i think i came to debian in a very bad time, for me and for the distro itself
21:22.03greycatI'm serious.  If you dislike systemd, and if you dislike Debian for *whatever* reason (whether we agree with it or not), then choose something that works for you.
21:22.52autofsckkgreycat: and i will, the thing is that it will take time to reinstall and configure ant that, ill do it the first chance ill have
21:23.41autofsckknow i run debian on my laptop and arch on a production vps server jjajajaja wtf!
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21:30.28`Kevinautofsckk: i started up a fresh container of jessie, did an apt-get install of that specific mariadb version and it is running, as greycat mentioned i think you do indeed somehow have lingering bits around from the previous install
21:31.25somiajyea, that is the problem with unoffical packages. Debian does lots of testing with in the debian enviorment. And lots of third party places either are making ubuntu (not debian packages) or their packages are just poor quality which is why they arne't in debian.
21:31.29somiaj!don't break debian
21:31.29dpkgmethinks dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
21:31.45somiajthat is a good read, because running random third party scripts on your system can have random issues.
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22:11.14loorkeHi all. Sometimes Firefox shows Latin fonts incorrect, it makes them bold. For example, at this page (http://learnyouahaskell.com/starting-out#ready-set-go) all fonts looks bold for me, but they shouldn't (at other platforms all is fine). Did anyone have the same problem? Debian, amd64, stretch, GNOME
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22:29.02phoggloorke: probably a fontconfig issue
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22:29.49loorkeBut in chrome, for example, all is fine
22:30.38missmbobwhich version of firefox?
22:31.34pacha`missmbob: hi, thanks for the help you gave me yesterday. I have another problem
22:32.08missmbobpacha`: what's up?
22:32.08pacha`I am having issues with mpv/mplayer2, I cant use hw acceleration with the new free drivers (didnt have the problem with fglrx)
22:32.17loorkephogg: My fonts.conf https://pastebin.com/5YdvxuwE
22:32.25pacha`I have to use the software decoder which is slow
22:32.36missmbobpacha`: jessie?
22:32.46loorkemissmbob: 54.0a2 (2017-04-18)
22:32.51pacha`should I install something aside from xserver-xorg-video?
22:33.06pacha`missmbob: yes.
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22:33.23missmbobloorke: oh. hrm. the a doesn't bode confidence. it looks fine here on 50.1.0
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22:33.49pacha`missmbob: this is what I installed:  firmware-linux-nonfree libgl1-mesa-dri xserver-xorg-video-ati
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22:34.23missmbobpacha`: in /var/log/Xorg.0.log which video driver does it say is loaded? which video card do you have?
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22:34.59loorkemissmbob: it looks same in Firefox 45.8.0 at me
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22:35.39teraflopspacha`: you did not say the gpu model, neither the hwdec method youre trying to use. I think you are trying vpdpau since I can infer it from what you wrote, but being vague does not help
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22:35.57buuHey
22:36.16pacha`missmbob: It says Radeon. ATI/AMD HD 6770.
22:36.21buuI just installed a 2port network card into a debian box, any idea why portone is named 'ens2' and porttwo is named 'rename4'?
22:36.26buuAnd how do I rename the rename?
22:36.28missmbobpacha`: are you familiar with jessie-backports?
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22:36.55davascriptbuu, you will have to write udev rules
22:37.12pacha`missmbob: no but I dont mind messing around
22:37.19buudavascript: ok
22:37.27missmbobbuu: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Network_configuration#Change_device_name
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22:37.36missmbob!jessie-backports
22:37.36dpkgSome packages intended for Stretch (Debian 9) but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository.  See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ .  A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main».  Also ask me about <bdo>.
22:38.06pacha`teraflops: I am a new to all this, sorry. I tried all of them, it worked with vo=x11 which uses software decoding.
22:38.09buuBut where does it get the original names from if there's no udev rules?
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22:38.51buuAlso why wouldn't the mac of the new card be listed in 70-persistent-rules?
22:39.09missmbobpacha`: see what dpkg said above. then i want you to apt-get install linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64 xserver-xorg-video-ati libgl1-mesa-dri -t jessie-backports    then reboot
22:39.20davascriptjust follow the arch linux guide its the best one IMO
22:39.59missmbobpacha`: see if it's better. if not come back here. i've got another idea
22:40.18pacha`missmbob: thanks again bro, be right back
22:41.24teraflopspacha`: no worries.
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22:42.47teraflopspacha`: that card should work with vdpau
22:43.43autofsckki want to thank the guy that told me about .xsessionrc at least i can start with my monitor configuration, i used to do it in  ~/.config/openbox/autostart.sh  but in debian it didnt work at all, but now its working, thanks
22:43.56pacha`teraflops: yeah it worked before with the propietary drivers (fglrx) but broke with the new ones
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22:44.33teraflopspacha`: do you have hw accel at all? in your DE/WM
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22:45.42teraflopspacha`: e.g glxinfo| grep direct
22:45.48buuOk, next question
22:46.12buuWhen I run `ip link list` it says 'no-carrier' but when I run ethtool it says 'link detected: yes'
22:47.17buujust kidding
22:47.48pacha`teraflops: Xlib extension "GLX" missing on display "0.0"
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22:47.59teraflops^
22:48.10pacha`teraflops: also segmentation fault after that, run with/without sudo
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22:49.21teraflopspacha`: so you uninstalled fglxr? if yes it went south
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22:49.44missmbobwhy do you think i want him to try newer versions of what i said?
22:49.53missmbobmen are so fucking stubborn sometimes
22:50.49pachateraflops: I uninstalled a lot of stuff related to fglrx, fglrx-dmks-modules, fglrx-controls, I also removed /etc/modprobe.d that blacklisted the free drivers
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22:52.56buuok
22:53.04buuHow do I use ping -I to test a secondary network interface?
22:53.40buuDo I need to add a route?
22:53.45teraflopspacha: in a perfect world you only need to purge the fglrx stuff, what missmbob said (from ati howto) and reboot. once glxinfo does not segfault install vdapu
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